Full Transcript for USCIS Is Cracking Down on Migrant Sponsors | What You Need to Know in 2025

myself like my mother on canal face lawsuits finds and even persecution if the person they sponsor receives public benefits. 04:45.735 --> 04:51.043 [SPEAKER_05]: I think I think God that we know we knew better so we very careful. 04:51.023 --> 05:08.371 [SPEAKER_05]: about, um, um, um, don't different day and then playing for different, like, assistance, I didn't want assistance anywhere because I don't want nobody to pay, uh, I don't want no help from the government, you know, I don't want no help, so I'm, but we didn't do, I'm glad we didn't do it because we, for all these nine years. 05:08.491 --> 05:09.413 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, 49 years. 05:09.453 --> 05:11.035 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, yes, yes, it is. 05:11.356 --> 05:15.883 [SPEAKER_05]: And so, another thing too, we know, you don't we didn't know, but we like, you know what? 05:15.863 --> 05:17.405 [SPEAKER_05]: We don't want to mess up my wife. 05:17.425 --> 05:18.947 [SPEAKER_01]: There were moments where... 05:19.047 --> 05:24.274 [SPEAKER_01]: There were moments where we could have made use of it, because I mean, life lives at times. 05:24.775 --> 05:29.301 [SPEAKER_01]: But I'm so grateful to God that it didn't come to us going that route. 05:29.381 --> 05:34.788 [SPEAKER_01]: God was able to take us out of that situation before we even needed public assistance in any way. 05:35.168 --> 05:36.350 [SPEAKER_01]: So I'm really grateful. 05:36.450 --> 05:38.833 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, especially like when it came to... 05:38.813 --> 05:39.994 [SPEAKER_01]: Apartments. 05:40.255 --> 06:04.382 [SPEAKER_01]: I know we are now people saying hey go and get some public assistance So because they're building nice apartments going to low income whatnot, especially when I wasn't working waiting for my work permit to come through My husband was the only Brethren and you know that could have been an easy ride out, but we just stuck it out We just stuck it out and paid the high rental fees that we pay in New Jersey and 06:04.362 --> 06:33.981 [SPEAKER_01]: And then God because he could have messed up my, my signature because although we knew what it entailed but we didn't really, it didn't really click because nobody was, it wasn't in people's faces like it is now like the Trump administration is actually pushing it now because as, because I know we're going, we're moving too fast so I'm just going to scroll down 06:33.961 --> 06:51.398 [SPEAKER_01]: to come here or to the United States legally and say, for example, that person that you sponsored, you signed to say, hey, I'm making so much money and if this person should ever need any assistance, I'm here to take care of the person. 06:51.418 --> 06:54.121 [SPEAKER_01]: That's exactly what you're saying when you're saying you're sponsoring someone. 06:54.461 --> 07:03.090 [SPEAKER_01]: So the government is saying when you sign that form, 07:03.070 --> 07:26.952 [SPEAKER_01]: You are actually saying that that person should they get any government assistance be

even Medicaid, which is medical insurance for people who are all owners or footsteps or even section 8 housing assistance, whatever it is that the government is assisting you in that is supposed to be for legal for citizens. 07:27.286 --> 07:45.718 [SPEAKER_01]: And then the government is saying, should that person that you sponsored use as any of the government assistance, you as the sponsor can get a bill, or be prosecuted to pay that money back. 07:45.738 --> 07:46.780 [SPEAKER_01]: Would interest? 07:46.827 --> 07:47.528 [SPEAKER_05]: Well, interest. 07:48.129 --> 07:50.051 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, yeah, that's that's crazy. 07:50.071 --> 07:51.132 [SPEAKER_05]: I got to be careful. 07:51.192 --> 08:00.484 [SPEAKER_05]: I just bouncing and exactly because it's all ties, it all ties to something called the affidated of support like my wife mentioned. 08:00.944 --> 08:04.128 [SPEAKER_05]: And that's a form is the I A 64. 08:04.148 --> 08:06.271 [SPEAKER_05]: I remember that one's a long form. 08:06.831 --> 08:07.833 [SPEAKER_05]: He's a long form. 08:07.853 --> 08:09.194 [SPEAKER_05]: There's a so many of them. 08:09.294 --> 08:09.615 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 08:09.715 --> 08:10.035 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 08:10.095 --> 08:14.661 [SPEAKER_05]: So and when you sign it, you basically entering signing your life away. 08:14.781 --> 08:15.602 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 08:15.582 --> 08:16.624 [SPEAKER_05]: for 10 years. 08:18.489 --> 08:29.114 [SPEAKER_05]: You're entering into a legal binder contract with the legal binder contract with the U.S. government. 08:29.395 --> 08:31.781 [SPEAKER_05]: What we pay to become a U.S. citizen. 08:32.001 --> 08:33.625 [SPEAKER_05]: Or not just U.S. citizen. 08:33.605 --> 08:38.410 [SPEAKER_05]: just to have a green call or become a permanent residence. 08:38.670 --> 08:42.795 [SPEAKER_05]: The thing that you had to go through to become a permanent resident. 08:42.835 --> 08:48.321 [SPEAKER_05]: And so you're saying, I can take care of this person financially. 08:48.621 --> 08:52.025 [SPEAKER_05]: So they won't become a public charge. 08:52.305 --> 08:54.407 [SPEAKER_05]: So basically, you look burdened. 08:54.427 --> 08:55.529 [SPEAKER_05]: Support, public burden. 08:55.549 --> 09:01.435 [SPEAKER_05]: So basically, the person that's sponsored, they say, okay, because you are sponsored and you should be to take care of them. 09:01.415 --> 09:03.919 [SPEAKER_01]: You know you have to prove that you make so much money. 09:03.939 --> 09:15.059 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so if you can't take care of them, then you can't sponsor You know and so that and that's why in our case I remember you were not making as much money Hence you had to have a second responseer. 09:15.119 --> 09:18.325 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, who was your mother a business woman at the time or income? 09:18.485 --> 09:26.359 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, she'd like a co-fine co-sign so it kind of said well if my husband fails to take care of me my mother-in-law 09:26.339 --> 09:43.960 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, it's eligible, so hey, I'm glad that I didn't have to put you or my mother-in-law in that mess because now a citizen and it doesn't affect me anymore, but it can affect anybody who is not yet a citizen or who has not done ten years with a green card. 09:44.600 --> 09:48.685 [SPEAKER_01]: So most people don't realize how deep that goes actually. 09:48.665 --> 09:51.148 [SPEAKER_01]: because we just sign and we just checkboxers. 09:51.589 --> 09:53.091 [SPEAKER_01]: They think it's just a formality. 09:53.251 --> 09:54.112 [SPEAKER_00]: Check the register, right? 09:54.152 --> 09:54.472 [SPEAKER_01]: Yep. 09:55.013 --> 09:55.193 [SPEAKER_01]: Nope. 09:55.333 --> 09:56.615 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not checking the register. 09:56.635 --> 10:10.793 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not checking no box, but it's actually a legal binding document because you're on the hook until that person becomes a U.S. citizen or earns at least 10 years of work credits in America. 10:11.634 --> 10:14.858 [SPEAKER_01]: You are financially responsible for that person. 10:15.428 --> 10:32.458 [SPEAKER_01]: And some people will lie and go behind your back and do these things, and they don't know that the government will find the sponsor and give the sponsor the bill, because even divorce doesn't cancel it, can you that shocked me like, even if we get divorced, just because you signed for my name, yeah. 10:32.438 --> 10:39.247 [SPEAKER_01]: And I'm just thinking about the 90-day fiancee fiasco and happened like, oh my god, so what's her name? 10:39.708 --> 10:44.474 [SPEAKER_01]: The big one, the Michael and Angela. 10:44.775 --> 10:55.389 [SPEAKER_01]: Angela, even though they divorced at Michael, is by law, a subject to take care of Michael, if Michael does anything that a request public funding. 10:55.409 --> 10:56.230 [SPEAKER_01]: She can still pay. 10:56.411 --> 10:56.891 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, she still. 10:56.911 --> 10:58.834 [SPEAKER_01]: The government still can charge her. 10:58.814 --> 11:00.075 [SPEAKER_01]: which is insane. 11:00.115 --> 11:01.356 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's correct. 11:01.496 --> 11:06.541 [SPEAKER_05]: And now, USCS is enforcing like never before. 11:06.641 --> 11:13.387 [SPEAKER_05]: Like we're going to keep emphasizing because they're enforcing it like, especially with this administration. 11:13.567 --> 11:17.551 [SPEAKER_05]: They are, they're not playing with kicking out illegal immigrants. 11:17.591 --> 11:18.812 [SPEAKER_05]: People that don't belong here. 11:18.852 --> 11:23.196 [SPEAKER_05]: So they, so any little thing, they just enforce it. 11:23.316 --> 11:25.238 [SPEAKER_05]: So you know, that's why they got to be, you know. 11:25.258 --> 11:26.939 [SPEAKER_01]: So the artist is not a little thing. 11:27.039 --> 11:28.821 [SPEAKER_01]: And just to come in, 11:28.801 --> 11:46.557 [SPEAKER_01]: This is really a wake-up call to even countries like for example South Africa right now South Africa is going through a messy situation

where the citizens, you know, being patriotic taking care of their country because South Africa is like 11:46.537 --> 11:52.204 [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the mecca of Africa, it's like the United States, where people are all coming to the United States. 11:52.565 --> 12:03.299 [SPEAKER_01]: So in Africa, most immigrants want to come to South Africa, and so they come in illegally as well, and now expect because we have got public health care as well. 12:03.679 --> 12:08.365 [SPEAKER_01]: If you don't have health insurance, you can go to a public hospital and get free health care. 12:08.886 --> 12:16.476 [SPEAKER_01]: Get all these operations that 12:16.456 --> 12:17.358 [SPEAKER_01]: thought about this. 12:17.919 --> 12:34.228 [SPEAKER_01]: Now they come in, they jump over to the country to get these expensive surgeries for free, you know, and guess what the human rights is saying, the human rights is fighting against the citizens and saying what you're doing is illegal. 12:34.208 --> 12:48.758 [SPEAKER_01]: And the citizens are like, no, it cannot be illegal when especially telling illegal immigrants who are not supposed to be in the country in the first place to not use the citizens, the benefits meant for citizens. 12:49.328 --> 12:56.278 [SPEAKER_01]: So, they should really take a page from America, from the Trump administration that it's the law. 12:56.619 --> 12:57.220 [SPEAKER_04]: Yes, the law. 12:57.680 --> 13:02.627 [SPEAKER_01]: The public benefits, whether we like it or we don't, are four citizens. 13:02.988 --> 13:13.243 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, if there's an emergency, I can be taken to a public hospital, for example, and get treatment, but I cannot be standing in the line or expecting 13:13.223 --> 13:25.815 [SPEAKER_01]: chronic medication monthly for free as an illegal immigrant, or just an immigrant who is not a citizen because the public services or benefits are for who? 13:25.930 --> 13:27.592 [SPEAKER_01]: citizens of that country. 13:27.612 --> 13:28.112 [SPEAKER_01]: It's the law. 13:28.532 --> 13:29.253 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's the law. 13:29.613 --> 13:34.378 [SPEAKER_05]: And so like even like when you're in this country for like years and that and that's the Downport that's it down. 13:34.658 --> 13:55.718 [SPEAKER_05]: That's the sad part because even these people that's been in this country for a long on time Yeah, and you know that sometimes knee medication, but they came really give medication because they're illegal and so yeah That's the downport, but the U.S. just just release a notice reminding 13:55.698 --> 14:06.096 [SPEAKER_05]: or a friend gets public benefits that agency that gave those benefits can the man repayment. 14:06.236 --> 14:06.656 [UNKNOWN]: Wow. 14:07.257 --> 14:17.655 [SPEAKER_05]: We're talking about thousands of dollars, not hundreds of dollars, but we're talking about millions of dollars that you can be repayed on foot. 14:18.007 --> 14:23.855 [SPEAKER_05]: for restitution because they use public assistance. 14:24.196 --> 14:32.447 [SPEAKER_05]: And so even unaware, you know, sometimes you do things and you know, and sometimes we don't know because we don't know, we don't know. 14:32.507 --> 14:33.448 [SPEAKER_05]: We don't know. 14:33.468 --> 14:38.615 [SPEAKER_05]: And another thing is behind your back or not known because they didn't know good. 14:38.635 --> 14:40.358 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, they think it's everything okay. 14:40.378 --> 14:45.685 [SPEAKER_05]: They want you to adopt them and they didn't have the money and say, you know what, I do charity care. 14:45.665 --> 14:48.953 [SPEAKER_01]: I remember when I had to take up my tooth and we didn't have insurance. 14:49.555 --> 14:50.678 [SPEAKER_01]: And it was a crown. 14:50.718 --> 14:52.001 [SPEAKER_01]: So it wasn't like an easy pull. 14:52.021 --> 14:55.710 [SPEAKER_01]: I had to go to like emergency care for that, to get like special care. 14:55.750 --> 14:59.961 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know how much the bill was, $5,000. 15:00.295 --> 15:05.248 [SPEAKER_01]: $5,000 and I still owe that money because I didn't have insurance at that time. 15:05.489 --> 15:12.447 [SPEAKER_01]: I I pursued oweing that money then going for charity care because charity care would have messed me up. 15:12.628 --> 15:13.350 [SPEAKER_01]: I want to mess with it. 15:13.370 --> 15:16.819 [SPEAKER_01]: I was going for for my citizenship and 15:17.120 --> 15:25.993 [SPEAKER_01]: being desperate at that time, honestly, charity care was offered to me, but I'm thankful that I didn't go through with it because it could have bad fire. 15:26.354 --> 15:38.031 [SPEAKER_01]: So at least now, I just owe 5,000 and I have the money I will pay it in installments to them and I won't owe them anything, but I don't owe the government because that comes with penalties. 15:38.011 --> 15:40.634 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, it's a common penalty for real. 15:40.654 --> 16:04.980 [SPEAKER_01]: It's remember what's a really scary thing to think about when we look at that right, because life life can be hard and things happen because this is real life and you know people lose jobs that's like with us you know you resign thing that you are going to get a job and you resign with that good insurance and we end up not having insurance and I've been working jobs where 16:04.960 --> 16:10.288 [SPEAKER_01]: having not having insurance was hard because like you said even when you get sick it's like what do I do? 16:10.368 --> 16:16.677 [SPEAKER_01]: Do I have money to pay out of pocket and if you don't then you're going to be sick and that would be good idea. 16:16.978 --> 16:33.482 [SPEAKER_01]: Or you go and take a risk and say I'm taking the chance and I'm going to use a charity care or medicaid not knowing that you're messing up your process of getting your papers because when you are when you are desperate you desperate right so imagine 16:33.462 --> 16:49.934 [SPEAKER_01]: Trying to do a good thing for a relative or friend who asks you hey,

I need help and so forth and then years later You get a letter saying you owe the government for something you didn't even know Happened a lot of people are about to get a wake-up call. 16:50.234 --> 16:54.643 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so what we saying to most people who are sponsoring people right now 16:54.623 --> 17:03.717 [SPEAKER_01]: Be careful, what you're signing, you know, make sure that the person that you're signing for you trust and they will not betray you in this way because the bill will not go to them. 17:03.737 --> 17:04.958 [SPEAKER_01]: The bill will come to you. 17:05.219 --> 17:05.860 [SPEAKER_04]: It will come to you. 17:05.880 --> 17:06.360 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:06.400 --> 17:06.821 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:06.841 --> 17:07.302 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:07.322 --> 17:07.783 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:07.803 --> 17:08.223 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:08.243 --> 17:08.644 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:08.684 --> 17:09.084 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:09.104 --> 17:09.645 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:09.665 --> 17:10.126 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:10.146 --> 17:10.567 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:10.587 --> 17:11.087 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:11.107 --> 17:11.508 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:11.528 --> 17:11.929 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:11.949 --> 17:12.349 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:12.449 --> 17:12.890 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:12.910 --> 17:13.311 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:13.331 --> 17:13.731 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:13.751 --> 17:14.152 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:14.172 --> 17:14.573 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:14.593 --> 17:14.993 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:15.013 --> 17:15.414 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:15.434 --> 17:15.834 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:15.855 --> 17:16.455 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:16.475 --> 17:16.876 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:16.896 --> 17:17.317 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:17.337 --> 17:17.737 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:17.757 --> 17:18.158 [SPEAKER_01]: It will come to you. 17:18.178 --> 17:18.218 [UNKNOWN]: It 17:18.198 --> 17:25.908 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's their expense not yours, but because you signed and said you are vouching for them It's your bill. 17:26.428 --> 17:26.989 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's true. 17:27.009 --> 17:43.750 [SPEAKER_05]: And so now we want to we bring it down the law Bring it down the law and really What does the law say give you information give you insight, you know, so that when we do things We do things in a right way with understand it and so that we you know 17:43.730 --> 17:46.293 [SPEAKER_05]: Thanks to the firecass and this is what we're trying to do. 17:46.393 --> 17:54.964 [SPEAKER_05]: It just bring a formative and so that you're able to have insight to make critical decisions in this smart way. 17:55.024 --> 17:55.365 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 17:55.385 --> 18:05.718 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, and so here's what really happened in this law on the affidated of support is required for most family-based immigrants. 18:06.178 --> 18:08.421 [SPEAKER_05]: You have to show your income 18:08.401 --> 18:15.472 [SPEAKER_05]: is at least a hundred and twenty-five percent of the federal poverty line. 18:15.492 --> 18:16.013 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 18:16.253 --> 18:16.473 [SPEAKER_01]: Right. 18:16.554 --> 18:21.702 [SPEAKER_01]: And the idea was to make sure that the new immigrants wouldn't rely on government programs, right? 18:21.902 --> 18:27.250 [SPEAKER_01]: But now government is going after these sponsors for repayment if that happens. 18:27.310 --> 18:30.936 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you imagine you signed these forms this effort David? 18:31.477 --> 18:33.700 [SPEAKER_01]: Not actually you're having read what it says. 18:33.680 --> 18:48.298 [SPEAKER_01]: Now you're going to be getting letters to say, hey, by the way, your person went to get an operation Then and they use Medicaid now your own 35,000 That's a lot of money. 18:48.318 --> 18:49.520 [SPEAKER_05]: That's a lot of money. 18:50.040 --> 18:51.542 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's a lot of money. 18:51.702 --> 19:03.417 [SPEAKER_01]: And now they actually wanted that lying on that form could lead to fraud investigation So if you lying and saying you make so much money, or you lying and saying whatever now you're gonna go to jail 19:03.397 --> 19:05.799 [SPEAKER_01]: Listen, just putting your name there. 19:05.819 --> 19:06.700 [SPEAKER_05]: And you're going to jump. 19:07.040 --> 19:08.101 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, exactly. 19:08.182 --> 19:10.324 [SPEAKER_05]: That's crazy. 19:10.464 --> 19:11.965 [SPEAKER_01]: One must come to me for help. 19:12.105 --> 19:12.846 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not helping. 19:12.886 --> 19:14.067 [SPEAKER_01]: No, I was sponsored. 19:14.087 --> 19:14.888 [SPEAKER_01]: Thank you very much. 19:15.088 --> 19:16.249 [SPEAKER_01]: I said it. 19:17.250 --> 19:32.745 [SPEAKER_05]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 19:32.725 --> 19:36.688 [SPEAKER_05]: But to someone that just about papers, I never was going to do it. 19:36.909 --> 19:45.336 [SPEAKER_05]: I never did it and I never was going to do it because one, I believe in Mavericks, I believe in a picnic or I person. 19:45.676 --> 19:48.038 [SPEAKER_05]: And I don't believe in divorce. 19:48.339 --> 19:55.905 [SPEAKER_05]: So even when I wasn't safe, I never, I never, you could come, it could be new about the buying papers or it could have stuff. 19:56.245 --> 19:58.287 [SPEAKER_05]: But I never would do something like that. 19:58.768 --> 20:02.631 [SPEAKER_05]:

Not knowing all the different situations, 20:02.611 --> 20:04.934 [SPEAKER_05]: And I know things could hit the fan, whatever. 20:05.235 --> 20:08.440 [SPEAKER_05]: So I just never would do it. 20:08.460 --> 20:10.883 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't care how desperate a person is. 20:11.284 --> 20:12.385 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I wasn't performing. 20:12.486 --> 20:14.729 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm too risky to go through the course. 20:14.749 --> 20:16.011 [SPEAKER_05]: And I never, I don't know. 20:16.111 --> 20:18.715 [SPEAKER_01]: Especially in this administration, they really not playing. 20:19.135 --> 20:20.277 [SPEAKER_01]: They are not playing. 20:20.617 --> 20:24.383 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know what, even as an immigrant myself, I don't blame them. 20:24.363 --> 20:47.333 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, of course the harsh things that they're doing like taking people innocently from their homes, that's taking it too far, but when you're breaking the law in a sense of Doing certain things that are against the law of the land then okay, the country is allowed to protect itself from people who break the law So 20:47.313 --> 20:49.998 [SPEAKER_01]: it's the law we signed it away, you know. 20:50.599 --> 20:55.188 [SPEAKER_01]: So I think for this episode, we really want to alert our viewers. 20:55.348 --> 20:56.029 [SPEAKER_01]: Be careful. 20:56.110 --> 20:56.651 [SPEAKER_05]: Be careful. 20:56.931 --> 20:57.973 [SPEAKER_05]: And do it the right way. 20:58.033 --> 21:03.784 [SPEAKER_05]: Could you can't find love and find... Well, sometimes you're not helping people who are for love. 21:04.125 --> 21:05.627 [SPEAKER_01]: You're helping like for example your mom. 21:06.188 --> 21:07.491 [SPEAKER_01]: I was getting married to you. 21:07.551 --> 21:08.072 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 21:08.052 --> 21:12.643 [SPEAKER_01]: and your income wasn't enough to sponsor me. 21:12.883 --> 21:15.349 [SPEAKER_01]: So your mom came in and said, I will vouch for you. 21:15.770 --> 21:20.982 [SPEAKER_01]: So say for example, I did something and then a bill comes for your mom. 21:21.704 --> 21:36.700 [SPEAKER_01]: She did it out of a good heart because that's what you do just to help you to have fun Right, and so these are the circumstances people are facing and we could have taken public assistance because we didn't really know That we were signing that away, right? 21:36.720 --> 21:49.753 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, we knew that yeah, but we didn't know that you could be prosecuted Yeah, we could you could pay back We didn't know that we could have happened before Yeah, we didn't know that it could affect you when you're applying for your citizenship 21:49.902 --> 22:02.459 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, but not pay back and pay back, you know, so it's a risk that It's a risk and people are unaware because people have been messed up by relatives and friends Yes, I'm great. 22:02.480 --> 22:04.602 [SPEAKER_05]: I actually believe in doing the right way. 22:04.622 --> 22:11.472 [SPEAKER_05]: You come to America

You know, I know you want you sometime you do do get desperate and you like know about 22:11.452 --> 22:15.617 [SPEAKER_05]: because sometimes you know you can do it and things that work out. 22:15.717 --> 22:21.545 [SPEAKER_05]: The person that you wanted to marry or you're doing it for papers and they skip on you. 22:22.205 --> 22:22.686 [SPEAKER_05]: It bounced. 22:22.706 --> 22:25.349 [SPEAKER_05]: They took your money and you came and seen it on the wall. 22:25.610 --> 22:31.637 [SPEAKER_05]: So now you lose regard and so I think that's why I think okay do it you know we 22:31.617 --> 22:35.081 [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's easy for us to say, baby, because we are on the other side. 22:35.101 --> 22:35.602 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 22:35.922 --> 22:39.086 [SPEAKER_01]: When you desperate, especially with ice tracking, people off the streets. 22:39.106 --> 22:39.747 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 22:39.827 --> 22:41.629 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not that easy. 22:41.649 --> 22:42.730 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not that easy. 22:42.750 --> 22:43.632 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not that easy. 22:43.832 --> 22:44.533 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not that easy. 22:44.593 --> 22:45.414 [SPEAKER_05]: It's not that easy. 22:45.434 --> 22:46.916 [SPEAKER_01]: We're just asking sponsors. 22:47.556 --> 22:48.658 [SPEAKER_01]: So be just be careful. 22:48.958 --> 22:49.739 [SPEAKER_01]: Or you help us. 22:49.759 --> 22:50.019 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 22:50.099 --> 22:50.640 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going. 22:50.740 --> 22:54.705 [SPEAKER_05]: But your USC as even mentioned that is foreign. 22:54.725 --> 22:55.045 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 22:56.107 --> 22:56.988 [SPEAKER_05]: USC. 22:57.008 --> 22:57.428 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes. 22:57.789 --> 22:58.890 [SPEAKER_05]: USC IS. 22:58.870 --> 23:05.922 [SPEAKER_05]: even mentioned that is for detection and natural security division could step in. 23:05.982 --> 23:15.298 [SPEAKER_05]: Can you imagine that means if you will fade documents or even made an innocent mistake, it could get serious. 23:15.338 --> 23:19.986 [SPEAKER_05]: So even with the fake marriages, yes, fake marriages. 23:20.106 --> 23:21.749 [SPEAKER_05]: You're not Maori. 23:22.290 --> 23:23.612 [SPEAKER_05]: You don't... 23:24.368 --> 23:33.242 [SPEAKER_05]: doing things, you're setting up parties and it's not real, you're not really married, all that stuff, that's fake documents. 23:34.163 --> 23:38.410 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, you're taking pictures, the show that you married, but you're not married. 23:39.251 --> 23:39.812 [SPEAKER_05]: That's fake. 23:40.433 --> 23:41.575 [SPEAKER_05]: You can get prosecuted. 23:42.356 --> 23:43.317 [SPEAKER_05]: It could get serious. 23:43.578 --> 23:48.005 [SPEAKER_05]: Okay, that's right, you look, that's the law. 23:48.445 --> 23:52.772 [SPEAKER_05]: That's the law, and you get court, that can prosecute you. 23:54.068 --> 23:55.371 [SPEAKER_05]: They can prosecute you. 23:55.391 --> 24:00.721 [SPEAKER_01]: So basically, compassion now comes with the contracting. 24:00.761

--> 24:08.656 [SPEAKER_01]: Because sometimes you do things just to help out a friend or a family member, oh, it could get you into heart water. 24:09.197 --> 24:12.404 [SPEAKER_01]: Love could now become a liability. 24:13.285 --> 24:14.187 [SPEAKER_05]: Or fake love. 24:14.808 --> 24:30.842 [SPEAKER_05]: even just regular love we were we were also is in love yeah no no so about the people that's doing it not but also this is not only for them this is for everyone yes those that get mad yeah because those that get mad really are in love 24:30.822 --> 24:40.472 [SPEAKER_05]: And, and, and, and, and, and sometimes situations happens and you and you do a unknowingly and you get in trouble, but you really love that person. 24:40.492 --> 24:41.654 [SPEAKER_05]: You really was marry. 24:41.674 --> 24:42.595 [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, it can happen. 24:42.615 --> 24:45.237 [SPEAKER_01]: And also you you you you you you going to support a friend and you don't know that that marriage is not the real marriage. 24:45.298 --> 24:45.478 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:45.498 --> 24:45.618 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:45.638 --> 24:45.738 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:45.778 --> 24:45.878 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:45.918 --> 24:46.018 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:46.038 --> 24:46.138 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:46.158 --> 24:46.259 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:46.299 --> 24:46.399 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:46.419 --> 24:46.799 [SPEAKER_01]: You become a calm. 24:46.819 --> 24:46.939 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:46.999 --> 24:47.240 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 24:47.260 --> 24:47.420 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:47.440 --> 24:47.620 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:47.760 --> 24:47.880 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:47.900 --> 24:48.020 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:48.281 --> 24:48.381 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:48.401 --> 24:48.821 [SPEAKER_01]: You become a calm. 24:48.841 --> 24:49.022 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:49.042 --> 24:49.182 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 24:49.202 --> 24:49.302 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:49.322 --> 24:49.462 [SPEAKER_01]: I know. 24:49.482 --> 24:49.622 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:49.642 --> 24:49.882 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:49.903 --> 24:50.003 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:50.063 --> 24:50.283 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:50.303 --> 24:50.503 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:50.523 --> 24:50.623 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:50.643 --> 24:50.743 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:50.763 --> 24:50.864 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:50.884 --> 24:50.984 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:51.004 --> 24:51.124 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:51.144 --> 24:51.244 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:51.264 --> 24:51.364 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:51.384 --> 24:51.484 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:51.504 --> 24:51.624 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:51.644 --> 24:51.744 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:51.765 --> 24:51.865 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:51.885 --> 24:51.985 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:52.005 --> 24:52.125 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:52.145 --> 24:52.245 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:52.265 --> 24:52.365 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:52.385 --> 24:52.485 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:52.505 --> 24:52.645 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:52.665 --> 24:52.806 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:52.826 --> 24:52.946 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:52.986 --> 24:53.126 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:53.146 --> 24:53.246 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:53.266 --> 24:53.366 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:53.386 --> 24:53.506 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:53.526 --> 24:53.627 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:53.647 --> 24:53.747 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 24:53.767 --> 24:53.867 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:53.887 --> 24:53.987 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:54.007 --> 24:54.107 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:54.127 --> 24:54.227 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:54.247 --> 24:54.347 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:54.367 --> 24:54.467 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:54.487 --> 24:54.588 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:54.608 --> 24:54.708 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:54.728 --> 24:54.828 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:54.848 --> 24:55.028 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:55.048 --> 24:55.148 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:55.168 --> 24:55.268 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:55.288 --> 24:55.388 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:55.408 --> 24:55.509 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:55.529 --> 24:55.629 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 24:55.649 --> 24:55.749 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. 24:55.769 --> 24:55.869 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah. 24:55.889 --> 24:55.969 [UNKNOWN]: Yeah 24:56.202 --> 25:02.290 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you could get in trouble because now you are part of that arrangement. 25:02.430 --> 25:06.596 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you're part of it, and so maybe I don't think they would come out to them. 25:07.116 --> 25:07.837 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, accomplices? 25:08.038 --> 25:09.179 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I don't think they're coming out. 25:09.199 --> 25:09.940 [SPEAKER_01]: With the Trump administration. 25:09.960 --> 25:11.162 [SPEAKER_01]: But you never know. 25:11.222 --> 25:12.824 [SPEAKER_01]: You never know. 25:12.924 --> 25:14.746 [SPEAKER_05]: You never know. 25:14.786 --> 25:15.848 [SPEAKER_05]: You never know. 25:16.088 --> 25:17.130 [SPEAKER_05]: I still work. 25:17.650 --> 25:18.231 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't know. 25:18.251 --> 25:20.374 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm with this administration. 25:20.394 --> 25:22.196 [SPEAKER_05]: I think it's best to still work. 25:22.216 --> 25:24.319 [SPEAKER_00]: If you're on steam, get your hands clean. 25:27.387 --> 25:30.090 [SPEAKER_05]: But we'll keep your hands clean, stay back. 25:30.650 --> 25:36.156 [SPEAKER_05]: If you know anybody, that's, you know, they're doing it for papers and they're not really getting married. 25:36.176 --> 25:37.517 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, you probably like, you know what? 25:37.817 --> 25:39.239 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't think I'm gonna go to this party. 25:40.360 --> 25:43.844 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know, because they'll submit pictures with your faces. 25:44.284 --> 25:45.625 [SPEAKER_02]: You're right. 25:45.645 --> 25:45.725 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes. 25:45.745 --> 25:47.387 [SPEAKER_01]: That's the chapter I see here. 25:47.407 --> 25:48.508 [SPEAKER_01]: I see it. 25:48.528 --> 25:49.349 [SPEAKER_01]: I heard no. 25:49.709 --> 25:52.332 [SPEAKER_01]: All right, well, you're gonna come to us now. 25:53.847 --> 26:01.478 [SPEAKER_05]: That's tough, that's tough, and that's the point that his home for

real. 26:01.538 --> 26:12.835 [SPEAKER_05]: That's because we do have friends, and we know, and we know some people, you know, and we know some people did like, we know people. 26:13.591 --> 26:28.680 [SPEAKER_05]: What did what I'm just saying I was that came into this country legally or that's came to the country where paperwork and and Don't know if they're still in reason or the kind of stuff Is that a dude 26:29.555 --> 26:49.521 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, so I mean you married to an immigrant woman of course we know so I have to give people Yeah people who have changed the status got in the race but the right way so what if somebody says hey my sponsor is doesn't have enough income can you also be a co-sponsor so but now we know better that you know 26:49.501 --> 26:52.564 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, to warm people out because we do no people yet. 26:52.584 --> 26:54.126 [SPEAKER_01]: Or you can just stay out of it personally. 26:54.166 --> 26:56.048 [SPEAKER_01]: You can just just feel personal protection. 26:56.068 --> 27:00.473 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and so people come to this country looking for opportunity. 27:00.554 --> 27:00.694 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 27:00.734 --> 27:08.723 [SPEAKER_05]: Because America, brain washed the world, the land of the free, the home of the brave, a American dream. 27:09.384 --> 27:12.287 [SPEAKER_05]: That's another question that you raised in one of your shorts. 27:13.408 --> 27:14.649 [SPEAKER_05]: What is the American dream? 27:14.790 --> 27:16.892 [SPEAKER_05]: Is it really a American dream? 27:17.783 --> 27:25.572 [SPEAKER_05]: That's another topic for another day, because I think America dream, it still could be America dream, but it changed. 27:25.872 --> 27:27.354 [SPEAKER_05]: It changed, it evolved. 27:27.374 --> 27:33.741 [SPEAKER_05]: It's not America dream as back in 1980 or 50s or even the 2000s, it had changed. 27:34.001 --> 27:36.464 [SPEAKER_05]: People are looking for opportunity. 27:36.925 --> 27:46.255 [SPEAKER_05]: And it's often family who helps them get started. 27:46.235 --> 28:03.996 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they scared to help, because especially after receiving the letter unexpectedly in the mail saying, hey, you sponsored this person, just be careful if that person goes and asks for any government assistance you are eligible to pay, because let's talk about the human side of this now. 28:04.737 --> 28:13.828 [SPEAKER_01]: So immigrants who need help might now avoid healthcare or food programs, even when they legally 28:14.922 --> 28:17.647 [SPEAKER_01]: because they don't want to hurt the person who's responsible. 28:18.749 --> 28:39.006 [SPEAKER_01]: Which is fair, but then we might go into places when they either are going to steal to survive or they are going to starve to avoid messing up the sponsor, or they'll mess up the sponsor and not care and say, oh, we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. 28:39.290 --> 28:43.776 [SPEAKER_05]: And I think that's real, that is real, and the struggle is real. 28:44.236 --> 28:53.508 [SPEAKER_05]: So the struggle is real because when you, when you sponsor somebody, sometimes you can sponsor somebody and you could be on good terms at that time. 28:54.008 --> 28:59.876 [SPEAKER_05]: And then they blow up and then what happens when they blow up and you're not on good terms. 28:59.896 --> 29:01.618 [SPEAKER_05]: And they can fight you. 29:01.598 --> 29:08.032 [SPEAKER_05]: This is why you got to be real careful because the person that you are sponsored can really spike you and really hurt you. 29:08.052 --> 29:19.197 [SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, Israel Israel and sponsors, many of them middle class working people might be hit with unexpected bills. 29:19.257 --> 29:21.362 [SPEAKER_05]: That enough they got bills already. 29:33.020 --> 29:37.306 [SPEAKER_05]: that could come later on, and later on, and yes. 29:37.326 --> 29:46.239 [SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, and we already see an agency, sending one and let us say, you financially response. 29:46.259 --> 29:47.360 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm sure that freaked out. 29:47.441 --> 29:47.961 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 29:48.081 --> 29:49.383 [SPEAKER_01]: How he would freak me out. 29:49.443 --> 29:49.724 [SPEAKER_05]: What? 29:50.184 --> 29:57.775 [SPEAKER_01]: Getting a letter from UCIS and saying, I'm legally responsible for financially responsible for my sponsor. 29:58.116 --> 30:01.120 [SPEAKER_01]: But some people don't sponsor one person. 30:01.100 --> 30:02.001 [SPEAKER_01]: number of people. 30:02.663 --> 30:13.220 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I had a gentleman coming to the tax office on Saturday actually, and they wanted their W2s and I, nosingly asked, why do you need your W2s? 30:13.841 --> 30:19.530 [SPEAKER_01]: And he said, oh well, I'm actually helping co-sponsor one of my colleagues. 30:20.607 --> 30:29.356 [SPEAKER_01]: And I said to him, do you know, after knowing what I know now, that said to him, do you know what, that's dangerous? 30:29.536 --> 30:32.219 [SPEAKER_05]: How are not doing, how are we, how are we? 30:32.379 --> 30:36.464 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, how are not doing, because he's, you know, he knows the person, blah, blah, blah. 30:37.064 --> 30:42.971 [SPEAKER_01]: So like in an incident like that, I had to warn this person to say, hey, just be very careful, yeah, that's. 30:43.171 --> 30:47.155 [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, what you're getting yourself to, and this colleague happened to be, 30:48.552 --> 30:58.495 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I said it yes, I'm sorry, yes, but that's 30:59.369 --> 31:06.096 [SPEAKER_01]: So, this, all of this creates, you know, like all of this trust in community. 31:06.116 --> 31:11.262 [SPEAKER_01]: People might stop helping family members because they kind of forward the risk. 31:11.302 --> 31:12.583 [SPEAKER_01]: The risk is too high. 31:13.144 --> 31:21.232 [SPEAKER_01]: And it's heartbreaking because our cultures, the Africans, the Caribbean, the Latinos, we thrive on helping each other.

31:21.673 --> 31:22.934 [SPEAKER_01]: That's how we grow up. 31:23.255 --> 31:24.356 [SPEAKER_01]: Ubuntu. 31:24.376 --> 31:29.241 [SPEAKER_01]: This part of, I'm gonna help you and pass it forward because somebody helped me. 31:29.221 --> 31:53.629 [SPEAKER_01]: My sister from another mother, and I looked for our talk about this, that, you know, she helped me with a lot of stuff when I came in the United States, and now she was applauding me for helping somebody else, and I said, I actually told her somebody else that I'm helping, that this is her responsibility now when she's, you know, when things are progressing for her to help somebody else, because that's how we were taught. 31:53.969 --> 31:54.790 [SPEAKER_01]: You help, 31:54.770 --> 32:02.901 [SPEAKER_01]: so that the help doesn't necessarily have to come back to me, but we want you to pass it forward, pass it forward because I was helped. 32:03.562 --> 32:04.263 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm helping you. 32:04.464 --> 32:05.345 [SPEAKER_01]: You must help someone now. 32:05.365 --> 32:09.431 [SPEAKER_01]: So now that's going to be hard to do it because it comes with a lot of risks. 32:09.451 --> 32:12.575 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, it comes with a lot of risks, but I won't lie. 32:13.977 --> 32:24.051 [SPEAKER_05]: Because again, right now you can be good. 32:24.385 --> 32:46.410 [SPEAKER_05]: You you phone on shaky ground and I don't I think that's risky and I think basically you it's like you're playing that game Rush you will let I don't know the game, but okay, Rush you will let basically rushing let right you got a gun You got bullets you got one bullet and every each one take it turn into shoot the body 32:47.099 --> 32:54.489 [SPEAKER_05]: And eventually, that Buddha gonna fight, and it's gonna fight until the one that's have a last. 32:55.110 --> 33:01.720 [SPEAKER_05]: You take it away, so that's what happened with you when you, when you're sponsoring a carling. 33:02.180 --> 33:03.963 [SPEAKER_05]: I feel you wanna be nice. 33:04.023 --> 33:12.735 [SPEAKER_05]: I feel you wanna do the right thing, but because you get lawsuits, because you can be persecuted, because you can have a debt, 33:12.715 --> 33:17.661 [SPEAKER_05]: long-term, you know, I think I'm saying, I'm not, I would not do it. 33:17.681 --> 33:22.027 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we didn't know that as if I'm so now, because now we're getting these letters. 33:22.287 --> 33:31.519 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, but I don't know, but even though I didn't know the law, but I knew I would not sponsor someone because I know it is risky. 33:32.059 --> 33:40.410 [SPEAKER_05]: I was sponsors the one, if they asked me, I would even as a Christian man, the Lord had to speak to me. 33:41.116 --> 33:47.104 [SPEAKER_05]: a law we had to speak to me and say, yes, do it every day is going to be alright. 33:47.404 --> 33:52.792 [SPEAKER_05]: But if I don't hear the voice of the Lord, it tells me to do it. 33:52.892 --> 33:54.494 [SPEAKER_05]: I'm not doing it. 33:54.935 --> 33:55.956 [SPEAKER_05]: I won't do it. 33:56.016 --> 33:58.660 [SPEAKER_05]: The Lord had to say, yeah, do it. 33:58.680 --> 34:01.183 [SPEAKER_05]: But again, um, 34:01.501 --> 34:10.052 [SPEAKER_05]: In many cultures, we understand sponsored someone is about legacy and it's about giving someone else a shot. 34:10.113 --> 34:17.102 [SPEAKER_05]: Like you said earlier, now that generosity could back five, that's a big time, big time. 34:17.122 --> 34:21.207 [SPEAKER_01]: And to be honest with you, I had somebody ask for my help. 34:22.229 --> 34:26.074 [SPEAKER_01]: And I was going to do it without you. 34:26.611 --> 34:28.654 [SPEAKER_01]: because I knew that you were going to say no. 34:28.674 --> 34:30.556 [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, you were like, I want to go to the sea. 34:30.576 --> 34:39.868 [SPEAKER_01]: Fortunately, I'll say, I trust this person, but now I'm coming to realize that, hey, anything could happen. 34:40.489 --> 34:45.616 [SPEAKER_01]: And unfortunately for that person, my people didn't check because I'm self-employed. 34:46.156 --> 34:49.881 [SPEAKER_01]: They wanted a lot more in a stuff because I'm self-employed. 34:50.482 --> 34:52.224 [SPEAKER_01]: If I was employable of control. 34:52.805 --> 34:53.766 [SPEAKER_05]: Hey, what are you going to do? 34:55.214 --> 35:07.875 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, I know best for a time you got no because I didn't in a day because we Mavvy right as you did that day was a bad fight and really came back to me and because I'm I'm the breadwinner. 35:08.336 --> 35:15.788 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, yeah, it would it came it would it came back to me because she's like it says she's self-employed And I'm the breadwinner, so yeah, God 35:16.173 --> 35:16.795 [SPEAKER_05]: I know. 35:16.995 --> 35:17.937 [SPEAKER_01]: You're not the breadwinner. 35:17.957 --> 35:19.020 [SPEAKER_01]: You're a doubly true. 35:19.040 --> 35:19.902 [SPEAKER_05]: No, it's your place. 35:20.263 --> 35:21.366 [SPEAKER_05]: I am the breadwinner. 35:21.767 --> 35:24.654 [SPEAKER_01]: Anyway, here's a real life situation. 35:24.774 --> 35:29.185 [SPEAKER_01]: Imagine Maria, sponsors her cousin from Dominican Republic. 35:30.207 --> 35:34.317 [SPEAKER_01]: And he's doing fine until he gets an accident and needs surgery. 35:35.039 --> 35:46.295 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, price for Medicaid, which is the medical insurance for people who I'm not working or have low income because he kind of fought the bill and I know a lot of pregnant women do this. 35:46.475 --> 35:47.376 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, yes. 35:47.396 --> 35:48.858 [SPEAKER_01]: So those bills are going to be coming. 35:49.019 --> 35:50.280 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, they're going to be coming. 35:50.301 --> 35:57.851 [SPEAKER_01]: And then a few months later, Maria, the sponsor, gets a letter saying she owes the government 38,000 dollars. 35:57.971 --> 35:58.272 [SPEAKER_01]: Wow. 35:58.392 --> 35:59.173 [SPEAKER_01]: I would faint. 35:59.710 --> 36:00.631 [SPEAKER_05]: That ain't done, sir.

36:01.152 --> 36:01.732 [SPEAKER_01]: That ain't done. 36:01.752 --> 36:05.357 [SPEAKER_01]: Can you imagine, probably the cousin is not working after the accident? 36:05.377 --> 36:05.637 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 36:06.718 --> 36:09.261 [SPEAKER_05]: Or, like you said, pregnant or whatever, you just had a baby. 36:09.481 --> 36:09.762 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 36:09.802 --> 36:11.704 [SPEAKER_05]: You know, yeah, that's crazy. 36:11.804 --> 36:14.307 [SPEAKER_01]: And you know those pregnancy pills I experienced. 36:14.327 --> 36:14.747 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, that's crazy. 36:14.767 --> 36:16.109 [SPEAKER_05]: That's crazy. 36:16.249 --> 36:18.832 [SPEAKER_05]: And the person that spawns you had to cover. 36:19.693 --> 36:20.254 [SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy. 36:20.274 --> 36:20.654 [SPEAKER_01]: That's crazy. 36:20.674 --> 36:23.157 [SPEAKER_01]: You met some people who had multiple babies with Medicaid. 36:23.437 --> 36:23.838 [SPEAKER_05]: You right. 36:23.998 --> 36:27.422 [SPEAKER_05]: And the thing is, now you got to fall for a big muffsy. 36:28.043 --> 36:35.972 [SPEAKER_05]: because of somebody else and because of medical, you can't put medical on bankruptcy. 36:36.573 --> 36:37.774 [SPEAKER_05]: You can put other bills on me. 36:37.794 --> 36:39.036 [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you can't put them on. 36:39.056 --> 36:40.497 [SPEAKER_05]: So that bill always stands? 36:40.577 --> 36:41.278 [SPEAKER_05]: Always stands. 36:42.439 --> 36:42.880 [SPEAKER_05]: Always stand. 36:42.900 --> 36:46.484 [SPEAKER_05]: You always order the two things you can put on bankruptcy. 36:46.804 --> 36:47.345 [SPEAKER_05]: Two things. 36:47.365 --> 36:49.968 [SPEAKER_05]: You want to know the other one you can't put on bankruptcy? 36:49.988 --> 36:50.689 [SPEAKER_05]: Come on. 36:50.709 --> 36:51.269 [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know. 36:51.289 --> 36:51.790 [SPEAKER_01]: Tell me. 36:52.529 --> 36:55.554 [SPEAKER_05]: financial financial student loans. 36:55.654 --> 36:59.100 [SPEAKER_05]: So student loans and medical bills you can't put on big wealthy. 36:59.120 --> 37:01.104 [SPEAKER_05]: Every now and then you can put them big wealthy. 37:01.124 --> 37:10.781 [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, it's but the good thing with Obama administration though, now even though you always got a pay for it, but it's not a fact. 37:10.821 --> 37:13.305 [SPEAKER_01]: I hope Trump doesn't change that. 37:13.538 --> 37:36.171 [SPEAKER_05]: you right he can't change it but Obama didn't put it into place because it was affecting a lot of people's yeah and it was especially in this country with a lot of people a lot of blacks and brown people mostly and Obama fixed it so that it doesn't fall out and it allows us to get um um 37:36.151 --> 37:37.814 [SPEAKER_05]: Not houses. 37:38.456 --> 37:43.586 [SPEAKER_05]: We had to get a proof for houses because that's not on our own, on our own credit. 37:43.686 --> 37:49.158 [SPEAKER_05]: So yeah, but yeah, that one never, you can file bankruptcy for medical. 37:49.198 --> 37:50.480 [SPEAKER_05]: You always have to pay for that. 37:50.901 --> 37:53.687 [SPEAKER_01]: So that hospital that I owe $5,000 for taking out my truth. 37:54.325 --> 37:55.967 [SPEAKER_01]: I'm coming to pay my mind, you okay? 37:56.548 --> 37:59.453 [SPEAKER_01]: It's been patiently for me. 37:59.473 --> 38:02.517 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but... 5,000 for a tour? 38:02.537 --> 38:03.559 [SPEAKER_01]: Come on, guys. 38:03.839 --> 38:06.023 [SPEAKER_05]: It's like almost 60,000 grand. 38:06.103 --> 38:06.684 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, a lot. 38:06.704 --> 38:07.084 [SPEAKER_05]: It's a lot. 38:07.665 --> 38:11.250 [SPEAKER_05]: And that's the kind of thing this policy could trigger. 38:11.831 --> 38:18.241 [SPEAKER_05]: And even if my rear did not know about the benefits, it doesn't matter. 38:19.082 --> 38:22.027 [SPEAKER_05]: The law says she's liable. 38:22.047 --> 38:22.948 [SPEAKER_01]: This is the sponsor. 38:23.300 --> 38:36.685 [SPEAKER_05]: It's sad, yeah, it's sad, but it's a reality and this is why you got to be careful and we're not trying to scare anybody, you know, because we know a lot of people do have good hearts. 38:36.901 --> 38:39.226 [SPEAKER_05]: But you know what, you got to be smart. 38:39.687 --> 38:46.001 [SPEAKER_05]: I told you, as a Christian man, just remember the Lord, we had to speak to me and say, do it. 38:46.181 --> 38:47.604 [SPEAKER_05]: I didn't know I'm not doing it. 38:47.684 --> 38:47.905 [SPEAKER_05]: Right. 38:48.145 --> 38:49.328 [SPEAKER_01]: And that's really wild. 38:49.408 --> 38:57.205 [SPEAKER_01]: And if the government decides she lied on her form, even unintentionally, it could lead to criminal charges. 38:58.197 --> 39:02.062 [SPEAKER_01]: So now you've got a financial rune and legal drive. 39:02.082 --> 39:02.623 [SPEAKER_05]: Take the trouble. 39:03.504 --> 39:04.866 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you're supposed to get robbed. 39:04.886 --> 39:11.354 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, you just, and you know what you, with that financial, now that go on your racket. 39:12.015 --> 39:12.256 [SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm. 39:12.276 --> 39:14.078 [SPEAKER_05]: And because it's government. 39:14.498 --> 39:15.159 [SPEAKER_01]: It's federal. 39:15.360 --> 39:15.960 [SPEAKER_05]: It's federal. 39:16.241 --> 39:18.904 [SPEAKER_05]: So now that can hinder you from getting along. 39:19.265 --> 39:20.266 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, or a job. 39:20.526 --> 39:21.127 [SPEAKER_05]: Or a job. 39:21.147 --> 39:21.708 [SPEAKER_05]: You're right. 39:21.748 --> 39:24.812 [SPEAKER_05]: That can hinder you from along. 39:24.792 --> 39:32.444 [SPEAKER_05]: a job, and if you're all working because of the federal, they have the right that garnishing a chat. 39:33.947 --> 39:41.839 [SPEAKER_05]: So before you before you we pay any taxes, before you pay any bills, because of the government they go on and mad at garnishing a chat. 39:42.393 --> 39:46.060 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so it's, it's, it's, it's, it's chicken is about to come and loose. 39:46.080 --> 39:47.041

[SPEAKER_01]: That's what they say right? 39:47.182 --> 39:47.582 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 39:47.602 --> 39:47.923 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 39:47.963 --> 39:50.908 [SPEAKER_01]: So we can people do because this is the whole point. 39:50.928 --> 39:51.349 [SPEAKER_01]: We're not here. 39:51.389 --> 39:58.422 [SPEAKER_01]: Just to scare you guys, but we also here to make you give you tips on looking out and to be vigilant. 39:58.462 --> 39:59.524 [SPEAKER_01]: So what can people do? 39:59.808 --> 40:00.429 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, all right. 40:00.449 --> 40:04.438 [SPEAKER_05]: So let's talk solutions because that's what this podcast is all about. 40:04.458 --> 40:19.048 [SPEAKER_05]: It's about giving strategies about giving solutions as about helping the individual to chill this, you know, to to make better decisions and form decisions, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the 40:19.028 --> 40:48.107 [SPEAKER_05]: Poverse because of lack of knowledge and so it's about now getting to the knowledge so that we had applied the knowledge into our life We don't want to be the individual that get the knowledge if you listen to this part of the podcast As you don't want to be the individual that getting to the knowledge and you rejected Because I would go on this show is not just to highlight fear It is to break awareness and empower people with knowledge and 40:48.087 --> 40:52.376 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, because first you you must know what you're signing. 40:52.516 --> 41:09.690 [SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you must know what you're When you put your signature on that paper, I know what you're signing because that affidavit or support is a real Contracts a serious contract and if you can't afford to be fully responsible for someone don't sign it 41:10.042 --> 41:19.693 [SPEAKER_01]: out of guilt or pressure because the people who can't be begging you and they can't even get their families involved and they can't get on the don't do. 41:19.713 --> 41:29.785 [SPEAKER_01]: All this person, you'll be left on your own at the end of the day and you have nobody to cry to because now you are financially responsible for this. 41:29.865 --> 41:36.252 [SPEAKER_05]: So even don't don't feel proud if you're feeling your spirit, you shouldn't do it, don't do it. 41:36.772 --> 41:55.388 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, 41:55.773 --> 41:57.314 [SPEAKER_05]: and how to protect yourself. 41:57.354 --> 42:05.282 [SPEAKER_05]: That's what it's about protecting yourself and so that you don't make a foolish decision or decision that you're gonna regret later on. 42:05.302 --> 42:06.923 [SPEAKER_01]: Third, keep good records. 42:07.323 --> 42:07.944 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah. 42:08.164 --> 42:16.492 [SPEAKER_01]: Every payment that you've made, every bill, every communication documentation can actually save you if things go south. 42:16.652 --> 42:25.780 [SPEAKER_01]: Cause like my husband was saying that the relationship could go south with this person that you're sponsored 42:25.760 --> 42:34.572 [SPEAKER_01]: And then when it backfires you on your own, but if you keep all those documents, you save all the everything, at least now you save God in yourself. 42:34.653 --> 42:36.515 [SPEAKER_05]: Mm-hmm. 42:36.535 --> 42:36.635 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 42:36.655 --> 42:36.755 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 42:36.775 --> 42:37.856 [SPEAKER_05]: And I totally agree. 42:37.996 --> 42:49.408 [SPEAKER_05]: And finally, on advocate for reform, um, because this crackdown may protect the system, but it also punishes compassion. 42:49.808 --> 42:51.610 [SPEAKER_05]: We, or I have a good heart. 42:52.191 --> 42:59.158 [SPEAKER_05]: And so if, if I'm not, um, smart, um, with my decision making, nobody would tell me, 42:59.138 --> 43:01.501 [SPEAKER_05]: be wise as a serpent humble. 43:01.601 --> 43:08.711 [SPEAKER_05]: I don't give you a lot of scripture right now, but the Bible telling is not to be wise as a serpent in humble as a dog. 43:08.751 --> 43:14.459 [SPEAKER_05]: So, you know, yes, we good people, but you also got to be smart people at the same time. 43:14.820 --> 43:18.565 [SPEAKER_05]: And policies should hold people accountable. 43:18.545 --> 43:28.597 [SPEAKER_05]: Yes, but they should not weaponize kindness, you know, you know, don't loud your kindness to be, uh, be, be turned against you. 43:28.777 --> 43:30.840 [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I think about families affected by this. 43:31.420 --> 43:36.346 [SPEAKER_01]: The sponsors who gave their hearts and wallets help someone build a better life. 43:36.787 --> 43:42.173 [SPEAKER_01]: And now they feel betrayed by the very system they trusted, you know, 43:42.457 --> 43:54.279 [SPEAKER_01]: It's a hard pill to swallow, you know, you're trying to do good, but then things happen and the person unintentionally gets government assistance now you get to pay back. 43:54.319 --> 43:59.048 [SPEAKER_05]: And then you and the situation, our voice to us, situation. 43:59.028 --> 44:00.029 [SPEAKER_05]: Oh, that's your shit. 44:00.069 --> 44:02.152 [SPEAKER_01]: I promise the person you sponsored is thriving now. 44:02.272 --> 44:03.174 [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, right. 44:03.194 --> 44:04.996 [SPEAKER_05]: That can happen too. 44:05.056 --> 44:06.758 [SPEAKER_01]: And they won't even bother you up. 44:07.279 --> 44:08.681 [SPEAKER_05]: You help them. 44:08.701 --> 44:10.544 [SPEAKER_01]: Some will say, I never would ask you to help me.

44:10.564 --> 44:11.285 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah. 44:11.305 --> 44:14.909 [SPEAKER_05]: And that's why you got to be careful because you're trying to be good. 44:14.969 --> 44:15.971 [SPEAKER_05]: You help the person. 44:16.592 --> 44:17.593 [SPEAKER_05]: And so. 44:17.573 --> 44:25.822 [SPEAKER_05]: and then you helped them, they got you in trouble and then later on they driving and then I'm returning the favor to them. 44:26.122 --> 44:27.023 [SPEAKER_05]: But you know what? 44:27.043 --> 44:29.225 [SPEAKER_05]: I would say even that is that's the case. 44:29.706 --> 44:38.956 [SPEAKER_05]: You know they got that person got to be careful because there's there's something called common and the Bible said the best doing to others as you want to be treated. 44:39.376 --> 44:44.982 [SPEAKER_05]: So that person that don't want to help even when they driving or they pay back. 44:44.962 --> 44:57.280 [SPEAKER_05]: So they somehow they're gonna, yeah, they're not gonna happen that they're not gonna like and it's gonna come back to No, where they're gonna get in a trauma and they're like man and then they're gonna then a person They're gonna might go back to the same person. 44:57.560 --> 44:58.442 [SPEAKER_05]: Can you help me again? 44:58.462 --> 45:12.302 [SPEAKER_01]: They've burnt a bridge and they burnt the bridge Y'all that's nice and you've thinking about sponsoring someone get educated and if you're an immigrant Sikh community legal support and if you're already caught up in this 45:12.653 --> 45:14.037 [SPEAKER_01]: Don't suffer in silence. 45:14.438 --> 45:16.804 [SPEAKER_01]: Help is out of this organizations. 45:17.305 --> 45:26.629 [SPEAKER_01]: There's even lawyers who are helping people to get out of the smets or to figure out a way because Trump administration is after your butt. 45:27.098 --> 45:30.721 [SPEAKER_05]: So I'm a manager, she's not playing, it's not playing. 45:31.082 --> 45:33.404 [SPEAKER_05]: And I will go, it's not to schedule. 45:33.464 --> 45:35.866 [SPEAKER_05]: We're not trying to schedule, we're trying to help you. 45:36.547 --> 45:41.011 [SPEAKER_05]: And we are trying to prepare you to make better informed decision, not to schedule. 45:41.351 --> 45:44.895 [SPEAKER_05]: We haven't fun with it, but we also want to be real. 45:44.995 --> 45:53.983 [SPEAKER_05]: And we also want to just give you some insights and some clarity so that you can make the life bar where maybe come on. 45:54.014 --> 45:57.780 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, because when you know better, you move better. 45:58.020 --> 45:58.782 [SPEAKER_01]: Exactly. 45:59.883 --> 46:05.592 [SPEAKER_01]: So stay informed, stay united, and keep your heart open, but your eyes wide. 46:05.672 --> 46:09.679 [SPEAKER_01]: Because it's not good out there. 46:09.699 --> 46:10.380 [SPEAKER_01]: It's not good. 46:10.420 --> 46:14.907 [SPEAKER_01]: And before we sign up, it's just like to remind our viewers to please like, subscribe, and comment. 46:15.428 --> 46:18.072 [SPEAKER_01]: Your thoughts in the comment section, it really help us. 46:18.753 --> 46:19.975 [SPEAKER_01]: It goes a long way. 46:19.995 --> 46:21.878 [SPEAKER_01]: It helps us with the algorithmic as well. 46:22.313 --> 46:28.821 [SPEAKER_05]: Yeah, and I'll follow us on the audio platform, leave a review, follow us, and all the above. 46:28.841 --> 46:31.164 [SPEAKER_05]: We just thank you for writing with us. 46:31.204 --> 46:32.485 [SPEAKER_05]: We thank you for supporting us. 46:32.545 --> 46:35.309 [SPEAKER_05]: We thank you for continuing to help grow this channel. 46:35.649 --> 46:40.836 [SPEAKER_05]: And like I said, whatever part or whatever interest you, please let us know in the comments. 46:41.196 --> 46:42.618 [SPEAKER_05]: Let us continue to grow on this channel. 46:42.738 --> 46:48.385 [SPEAKER_05]: Let us continue to connect the one another and build a family building a community. 46:48.685 --> 46:51.949 [SPEAKER_05]: And so until next time, we say family, 46:51.929 --> 46:59.051 [SPEAKER_05]: Stay safe, stay smart, and keep chillin' with the chaplainers. 46:59.472 --> 47:01.679 [SPEAKER_05]: Thank you, and you know what's coming. 47:02.220 --> 47:02.983 [SPEAKER_00]: Dooses! 47:03.925 --> 47:04.126 [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you! 47:04.146 --> 47:04.808 [SPEAKER_00]: Peace!