Full Transcript for The Horror Addiction

don't want to say it was like tough to follow per se, but I do feel like what they were trying to do was hit the hammer to the nail with sticking to like the original Nosferatu rather than you know, like breaking away from it too much and taking their own spin on it. 00:05:06.480 --> 00:05:09.199 Well, I mean, they definitely, I think, put their own spin on it. 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:11.199 They had the whole demonic possession. 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:12.879 I mean, that's just like straight up eggers. 00:05:13.120 --> 00:05:23.279 There were scenes that were just like the witch, you know, where they're like she's possessed by the demon and she's laying down and kind of like laughing, but in this scary, childish demonic way. 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:26.720 And then there was all the sex, which I I loved, you know. 00:05:27.439 --> 00:05:28.720 You know, that that's not really in there. 00:05:30.240 --> 00:05:34.480 Everyone loves sex in movies, like it's something that we cannot step away from. 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:36.720 I I I just personally like it. 00:05:36.800 --> 00:05:37.519 Some people don't. 00:05:37.600 --> 00:05:46.959 Some I've heard a lot of people saying that he was exploiting women, and like um, well, you know, she invited the evil, she is the reason that the evil came. 00:05:47.040 --> 00:06:01.759 So a lot of people are saying it's anti-feminist, always blaming the women, which I agree with, but I think he's trying to show these tropes, show this Victorian attitude that women were to blame, and to maybe get the conversation going. 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:07.680 I don't think he's like confirming the bias, I think he's like exploring the bias. 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:10.319 Hmm, good take, good analogy. 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:11.839 I never thought of it that way. 00:06:11.920 --> 00:06:13.120 I really didn't. 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:20.240 Um, I I'm not 100% like fully familiar with the original Nosferatu and stuff like that. 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:29.759 I'm totally familiar with the world of vampires and bloodsuckers that I actually feel has been way too warped over the years. 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:31.279 Would you agree with that? 00:06:31.680 --> 00:06:32.879 No, not really. 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:33.519 Sorry. 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:46.160 I I think that it's it's you know, we just did uh uh a couple hour long history of the vampire film uh on our podcast Murder Coaster, and we started with the very first one and we got went through all the mythos. 00:06:46.560 --> 00:06:51.680 Some of the earliest of the lesbian vampire, you know, that was around when Dracula was around, you know, Carmella. 00:06:52.160 --> 00:07:01.439 And um it's just there's so much that can be done with the vampire from the sensual to the animalistic, what blood symbolizes. 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:04.480 I just think it's very rich poetically to go anywhere. 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:07.199 And some of my favorite versions are the newer ones. 00:07:07.360 -->

00:07:10.720 My favorite vampire story is Let the Right One In. 00:07:11.040 --> 00:07:12.000 Okay, alright. 00:07:12.160 --> 00:07:13.680 I'll have to put that on my list. 00:07:13.759 --> 00:07:15.199 Uh the Swedish version. 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:16.319 Watch the Swedish version. 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:19.279 And if you get a chance, read the book, which is even better than the movie. 00:07:19.759 --> 00:07:20.000 I am. 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:21.199 You know what I'm talking about, right? 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:24.399 With the little girl vampire and like the little boys bullied. 00:07:24.639 --> 00:07:31.839 It's about a little boy who's bullied in a I feel like it sort of rings a bell, but I'm not too too familiar with it. 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:36.879 Like the last like little vampire I saw was Abigail with my wife. 00:07:37.120 --> 00:07:37.920 I watched that, yeah. 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:38.480 Yes. 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:39.920 What did you think of that? 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:44.959 I'm gonna be honest, I it kind of by the end of it, I was like, uh, bored. 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:52.560 I mean, it had good special effects, it was bloody, it was gory, but I just felt like it was kind of repetitive and but it wasn't really going anywhere. 00:07:52.639 --> 00:07:53.600 And but it was fun. 00:07:53.759 --> 00:07:57.839 I mean, it's a fun if you're looking for a fun vampire movie, bam, it's it's good like that. 00:07:58.079 --> 00:07:59.759 That's my exact thought. 00:07:59.920 --> 00:08:01.040 That's my thought exactly. 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:03.279 I'm like, this is comedic horror. 00:08:03.600 --> 00:08:08.399 And to be honest, I'm not opposed to comedic horror under any circumstances. 00:08:08.639 --> 00:08:11.279 I've mentioned it on one of my previous episodes. 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:16.879 I actually wrote a script for uh well, a screenplay for an indie film. 00:08:16.959 --> 00:08:22.160 I'm trying I'm looking for the right producer in the right team to make it into a reality. 00:08:22.240 --> 00:08:30.000 It's called The Demon in the Woods, and like I tried to stick with like really dark horror. 00:08:30.240 --> 00:08:34.399 Like, my when it comes to horror, my number one go-to is psychological horror. 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:41.519 I like stuff that gets inside your head, makes you think, and eventually ends up fucking with your mind in the most morbid ways possible. 00:08:41.759 --> 00:08:48.559 And that's what I was trying to focus on, but um I I realize that you know what? 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:51.679 I don't want this to be two-to-dack. 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:55.200 It needs to be amusing. 00:08:55.440 --> 00:09:01.279 So I definitely added many jokes and kind of twists in there. 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:06.639 It's it's a little raunchy kind of jokes and stuff like that, because that's just the way I am. 00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:14.159 But it's, as I like to put, that perfect bullseye of horror and comedy that balances out perfectly. 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:16.399 Well, you need to break the tension sometimes. 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:18.480 Look at the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:20.799 There's some absolutely hilarious parts. 00:09:20.879 --> 00:09:23.919 You know, look what your brother did to the door. 00:09:24.240 --> 00:09:30.080 You know, that's just and sometimes like if I watch Friday the 13th, I'm not scared. 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:32.799 I laugh my ass off the whole damn time. 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:34.320 Yeah, yeah. 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:38.000 I'm wearing a plan nine from outer space shirt, so you know. 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:46.720 Yes, yeah, no, I I I absolutely do call it an addiction, and I mean there are worse things you can do. 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:47.840 Call it a lifestyle. 00:09:48.080 --> 00:09:49.679 A lifestyle, even better. 00:09:50.080 --> 00:09:50.879 Even better. 00:09:51.519 --> 00:10:11.039 Well, my wife's a bit of a gothic kind of woman, so it like I'm not saying that she like goes all out, um uh like Adam's family gothic per se, but definitely she is if I'm gonna go see a horror film, she's like, okay, I'm in. 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:11.519 Let's go. 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:12.000 Nice. 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:16.960 I mean, my favorite holiday out of all of them in the books is Halloween. 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:21.360 And one of my favorite go-to destinations is Salem, Massachusetts. 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:26.000 If you haven't gone and you like horror, you really are fucking missing out, pals. 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:31.039 I have not been, but um, you know, my co-host is from Rhode Island. 00:10:31.200 --> 00:10:33.919 Oh, and she she told me not to go on Halloween. 00:10:34.159 --> 00:10:35.679 She's like, don't even go there on Halloween. 00:10:35.759 --> 00:10:36.559 She's like, it's too much. 00:10:36.639 --> 00:10:39.440 She's like, go there some other time, and you can really enjoy it. 00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:42.399 There but I will I I'm in California. 00:10:42.480 --> 00:10:46.399 I don't really Okay, so you're you're in you're yeah, you're in Cali. 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:51.519 You're you're where it's sunny, it's hot, and there's unfortunately, and you know what? 00:10:51.600 --> 00:11:00.720 I'm just gonna take a somber moment and let us say there are wildfires that are practically burning the state to the ground, and we all need together. 00:11:01.600 --> 00:11:09.759 Well, they say it starts with LA, and then it's I mean, but we've seen what's happened in the past, and it's just spread like crazy. 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:19.200 So I say we at least need to pay our respects and hope to God that the people in LA are safe, secure, and doing well at this time. 00:11:19.759 --> 00:11:22.159 Yeah, it's it's it's it's insane, dude. 00:11:22.320 --> 00:11:23.440 It's absolutely insane. 00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:28.799 Iconic spots, you know, Malibu and it's devastating to look at. 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:30.399

It's it's unbelievable. 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:34.240 Yeah, that's just the destruction of natural beauty, is what it is. 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:42.000 It's not simply like burning tinsel town to the ground, it's the destruction of like these areas Santa Barbara Mountains, yeah. 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:43.039 Yeah, yeah. 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:51.279 P places that we love and in my opinion, take advantage of or take for granted, to be honest, as to how remarkable they are. 00:11:51.440 --> 00:11:51.759 Yeah. 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:54.720 Now let's get back to horror, because that's what we're here to talk about. 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:55.679 Yes, horror. 00:11:55.919 --> 00:12:00.399 Uh, and you I do slightly back your wife up on Salem. 00:12:00.480 --> 00:12:00.960 Here's the thing. 00:12:01.039 --> 00:12:02.960 You No, not my wife, my co-host. 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:03.919 Your co-host? 00:12:04.399 --> 00:12:04.879 My co-host. 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:06.480 It's not my wife, no. 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:09.360 She lives in Rhode Island and I live in California. 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:12.960 Okay, so with your co-host, I definitely I do have a wife that loves horror. 00:12:13.039 --> 00:12:15.120 Oh, but she's good, good, different case. 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:15.840 So, yes. 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:18.159 I definitely back up your co-host 100%. 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:26.559 Um, with Salem, if you do want to go around spooky season, you have to go at like the first week of October. 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:30.639 After that, avoid Salem at all costs. 00:12:30.799 --> 00:12:35.840 You cannot get into a restaurant unless you have made reservations at least three days in advance. 00:12:36.080 --> 00:12:45.279 You cannot get a hotel or Airbnb under any circumstances unless you're staying in like in a much, much further out suburbial area. 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:52.559 Um, you're gonna see at least I don't know, 20 to 30 people all dressed as the Sanderson sisters. 00:12:52.799 --> 00:13:01.360 Like people and it I don't know, it's just it feels more like it's it's Comic Con for horror addicts. 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:03.840 That's the that's the best way to describe it. 00:13:04.000 --> 00:13:09.120 If you like horror and you like stuff that's scary, it's your it's the go-to comic con. 00:13:09.679 --> 00:13:12.879 Do you go to Necronomicon in Rhode Island in Providence? 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:13.679 No, I do not. 00:13:13.759 --> 00:13:15.600 I I You should check that out this summer. 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:20.879 I almost went to uh one of the Comic Cons in Providence, but uh missed out on the opportunity. 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:26.080 Oh, it's it's based on it's like Necronomicon, so it's all like HP Lovecraft based. 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:27.519 Okay, gotcha. 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:30.159 I actually did an episode talking about Comic Cons. 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:41.279 One of uh uh my guests uh who's an old friend of mine, he goes to like so many of the conventions and stuff like that and gave us all the details about how awesome it is. 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:52.080 I know it's a phenomenal experience for like media junkies and people who may be considered nerds, but we know fall into a category of cool. 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:55.840 Yeah, definitely. 00:13:56.960 --> 00:14:02.399 So when it comes to horror, what would you say is the go-to for horror? 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:09.919 I told you I love psychological horror that just fucks around with your mind and in morbid ways and stuff like that. 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:20.399 Like my go-to is some of the older stuff the exorcist, the shining, the silence of the lambs, which I know people don't totally consider horror, but if you really absorb horror. 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:21.360 I I'll fight for it. 00:14:21.519 --> 00:14:22.240 I fight for everything. 00:14:22.320 --> 00:14:23.759 I'm like, it's fucking horror, dude. 00:14:23.919 --> 00:14:24.799 It is, it is, yeah. 00:14:25.039 --> 00:14:30.399 It is it is like people don't want to call things horror because it's got that stigma, but yeah. 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:32.000 Well well, here's the thing. 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:35.759 So the author who They call the substance, you know the substance? 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:36.320 Have you seen that? 00:14:36.559 --> 00:14:37.440 I loved the substance. 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:38.559 So good, so good, right? 00:14:39.200 --> 00:14:41.360 They're calling it a comedy musical. 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:42.559 What the fuck? 00:14:42.799 --> 00:14:44.720 Demi Moore won the Golden Globe. 00:14:44.799 --> 00:14:46.159 She won the fucking Golden Globe. 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:48.879 Yes, best actress in a comedy musical. 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:50.960 Can you fucking believe that? 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:51.919 It's fucking insane. 00:14:52.000 --> 00:14:52.960 Are you like, are you serious? 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:55.919 It's like the goriest horror movie that's come out in the past decade. 00:14:56.240 --> 00:15:02.000 Okay, some of the people in Hollywood, I know that they're doing bad right now, but you are really fucked up in the mind. 00:15:02.159 --> 00:15:05.679 If that is what you are going to define the substance as. 00:15:06.000 --> 00:15:06.799 Yes, yes. 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:10.559 What would you describe it as if body horror? 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:11.120 Yeah. 00:15:11.360 --> 00:15:12.480 Undoubtedly, easily. 00:15:12.720 --> 00:15:13.039 Yeah. 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:22.480 I wouldn't exactly call I'd call it a mash between body horror and almost kind of psychological horror because the vibe Or art house. 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:30.960 Art house, you know, where they're where they're making these poetic statements and they're trying to use horror metaphorically to, you know, talk about society and stuff. 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:32.080 Which was brilliant. 00:15:32.159 --> 00:15:32.879 It was a brilliant movie. 00:15:32.960 --> 00:15:33.919 I fucking

loved it, you know. 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:35.279 Oh, definitely, definitely. 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:46.159 Not much dialogue, but really the imagery, the videography, and the focus they had on that change, as I like to put it, that's what really made it brilliant. 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:47.279 And what is it? 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:56.639 I believe Dennis Quaid's character, who uh what was it, Margaret Quarley said he was actually the scariest thing about the film. 00:15:57.200 --> 00:16:00.240 My wife said the grossest thing was watching him eat shrimp. 00:16:00.559 --> 00:16:01.120 Exactly. 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:06.320 That's that's what that's what everyone fed off of was him when he's just stuffing his face. 00:16:06.559 --> 00:16:13.200 Because my theory is, and I don't know if it's true, I think they may have crawfish, yes. 00:16:13.360 --> 00:16:20.240 I think they may have modeled his character and persona after another Harvey who we all know about. 00:16:20.480 --> 00:16:21.039 Oh yeah, yeah. 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:23.120 Weinstein, yeah. 00:16:23.519 --> 00:16:34.799 Or just kind of that the the dark reality of the um I like to describe it as the uh Dude, I've hung out with some Hollywood producers, and they're just like that. 00:16:34.879 --> 00:16:36.399 They're total fucking assholes, yeah. 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:37.279 Really, really. 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:42.320 And they don't give a fuck about and they're like sociopaths and like they don't care about people. 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:46.399 I call it the underground sex club of the business. 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:48.720 I didn't see that side of it. 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:49.440 Yeah. 00:16:49.759 --> 00:16:52.080 Well, think about like some of the stuff you have to do. 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:54.799 I think what was it like back in the 80s and stuff? 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:59.840 If you gave a guy a blow job, they would sign you with a three-picture deal. 00:17:00.240 --> 00:17:12.240 Marilyn Monroe, when she signed her her three-picture deal, her first contract, she signed it and she said, Well, that's the last time I I have to give a blow that's the last time I give a blowjob if I don't feel like it. 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:14.480 Well I tell you, yeah. 00:17:14.640 --> 00:17:20.640 Like, so I was actually I know a lot about this, and I did a whole episode about it. 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:32.240 And if you don't know my story, uh make sure to listen in to the Was I Anna Cult podcast, because me, I am actually an ex-member of a theatrical cult. 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:43.279 And I am the one member of the group who has become kind of like the the big advocate, not exactly their knight in shining armor, but the I've been very vocal about it. 00:17:43.359 --> 00:17:57.599 I've been featured on the Trust Me podcast, the Was I Anna Cult podcast, and one thing I learned from my experience, I mean, I would not be where I am today had I not made the decisions within that group that I did. 00:17:57.839 --> 00:18:01.519 But one thing I learned about was the Hollywood underworld. 00:18:01.839 --> 00:18:08.000 The really dark stuff, the stuff that happens when the camera ain't rolling and when the curtain closes. 00:18:08.559 --> 00:18:10.000 It's a long history, man. 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:12.559 I mean, from the very beginning, that's the way it was. 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:14.240 It was a it's a culture, you know. 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:16.240 Oh, definitely, 100%. 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:56.240 And yes, but getting back to the substance, my take on it was I definitely saw a level of uh psychological horror within it, and when I say that, kind of focusing in the idea that you are your own worst enemy, and you don't even know about it, kind of because with Demi Moore's character, what you see is a woman who wants a level of, I guess one might say, immortal youth that is unaccessible, and she's willing to go to whatever length it takes to make sure that she achieves that overall goal, regardless of the price one has to pay. 00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:59.279 And I it also makes me think, what is the self? 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:00.480 Who is the self? 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:01.920 Who truly are we? 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:02.799 You know what I mean? 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:08.240 We're we're who we think we are at any certain time, but those people aren't exactly the same at all. 00:19:08.559 --> 00:19:09.839 No, definitely not at all. 00:19:10.319 --> 00:19:11.440 It's a really deep film. 00:19:11.759 --> 00:19:14.160 What did you think of Margaret Quarley's performance? 00:19:14.319 --> 00:19:21.759 Because I really like I first saw her in the movie Um Once Upon a Time in Hollywood? 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:27.039 No, the nice guys, uh, with uh Russell Crowe and uh Ryan Gosling. 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:28.559 That was the first time I was like, Oh my god, that's right. 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:29.759 I've seen that movie. 00:19:30.000 --> 00:19:31.119 That's a while back now. 00:19:31.359 --> 00:19:31.839 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:33.279 She must have been young as shit in that. 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:40.160 I can't I didn't even recognize you know, I just remember from Once Upon a Time in Hollywood because she was like a Manson girl and I got a thing about Manson girls. 00:19:40.480 --> 00:19:41.920 And here's the kick. 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:55.599 All of the people who played the members of the Manson family in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, her, Austin Butler, their careers have skyrocketed tenfold since the movie came out. 00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:58.000 Like Austin Butler is Elvis Presley. 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:02.240 I don't think you can get any bigger than playing the king. 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:03.119 The king. 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:03.759 Nice. 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:06.799 Yes, if you haven't seen it, watch it. 00:20:06.960 --> 00:20:07.599 He saw it. 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:16.880 Yes, um, I I saw a lot of

interviews uh with him, and he went to the greatest lengths he possibly could to achieve it. 00:20:17.119 --> 00:20:36.480 Because for me, and I um I I've talked about this before, is that when you are playing a real life person, whether they be good, evil, or straight up psychotic, you have to be, and some um people find this a controversial statement, you have to be respectful towards them. 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:40.960 Because one way or another, for good or for ill, they were a real person. 00:20:41.119 --> 00:20:49.519 I mean, yeah, at the same time, you might want to display them as villainous, but I everyone should be like given depth, no matter who they are, in a way, you know what I mean? 00:20:49.680 --> 00:20:53.519 Yeah, but I guess there is a responsibility with uh real people for sure. 00:20:53.920 --> 00:21:01.200 Which is interesting is as a true crime person and right doing all this true crime stuff, it's like wow, you're always sometimes I'm like forget almost you know what I mean? 00:21:01.279 --> 00:21:02.640 You gotta remember these are real people. 00:21:02.960 --> 00:21:03.759 Yes, exactly. 00:21:03.839 --> 00:21:14.480 It's I I say all the time, truth is way stranger than fiction, and some of the realities of our world are far more disturbing than anything Stephen King has ever written in his career. 00:21:14.880 --> 00:21:16.960 And he's written more than 50 books. 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:20.799 Yeah, you couldn't you couldn't put this stuff in a book because people wouldn't believe it. 00:21:20.880 --> 00:21:24.559 It's too wacky and too disgusting and too fucking weird. 00:21:24.960 --> 00:21:26.799 Yeah, definitely 100%. 00:21:27.279 --> 00:21:28.640 Like, did you see Dahmer? 00:21:29.119 --> 00:21:30.160 Did you see the the Dahmer? 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:31.119 What did you think? 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:35.680 I watched it twice and it's five hours long, ten hours of Dahmer. 00:21:35.920 --> 00:21:36.559 Yeah, I loved it. 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:37.680 I thought it was uh fabulous. 00:21:37.759 --> 00:21:42.480 And you know, I'm and I know all about the case and stuff, and I thought they did just an excellent job, you know. 00:21:42.799 --> 00:21:43.119 Me too. 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:47.599 And how they brought in the civil rights part of it, you know, and um talked about all that. 00:21:47.680 --> 00:21:48.640 I thought that was great. 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:52.240 Uh uh said a lot about society and people and Jesse Jackson. 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:54.400 They showed Jesse Jackson giving a speech. 00:21:54.559 --> 00:21:55.359 I thought that was great. 00:21:55.440 --> 00:21:59.759 Um and they also did that uh documentary too, uh the Dahmer Tapes. 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:01.279 That was pretty good. 00:22:01.920 --> 00:22:05.680 I have not uh seen that yet. 00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:09.039 I've they kind of came out at the same time as like companion pieces. 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:13.839 I've seen the legendary Stone Phillips interview uh about Dahmer. 00:22:14.240 --> 00:22:23.119 Um, one thing I I taken a lot of psychology classes throughout my academic uh experience and I used it to my advantage to read people. 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:28.160 If you see the Stone Phillips interview, yes, Dahmer was a sociopath. 00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:38.559 He displayed no emotion, but if you just pay attention to his eyes, that's how you read the emotion that's flooding through him that he cannot display. 00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:40.160 Interesting. 00:22:41.119 --> 00:22:43.359 That's when the cannibalism started. 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:44.799 Yeah. 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:50.240 That's I I didn't consider I don't consider that that series to be true crime. 00:22:50.400 --> 00:22:55.599 I consider that to be horror because it was fucking disturbing. 00:22:55.920 --> 00:23:05.839 True crime and horror constantly uh are are are emerging and in and out of each other and affecting each other and like yeah, can easily be seen as one or the other. 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:14.880 One thing that I really think about horror a lot these days is that horror is as I like to put it, it's it's coming back. 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:17.279 Um I feel that it's a golden age. 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:44.480 Yes, I feel that for a certain for a certain period of time that um a lot of producers and directors chose to step away from horror and like I think about stuff from the 80s and stuff, like you know, like Halloween, Friday the 13th, uh um Nightmare on Elm Street, that they bel that there was this kind of instinct within producers, writers, and directors that if we want to make it scary, we just need to have blood. 00:23:44.640 --> 00:23:47.519 Blood and more blood, that's gonna make it scary. 00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:53.599 But the kicker is this it doesn't make it more scary under any circumstances. 00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:57.839 Like I said, I laugh when I watch the movie uh Nightmare on Elm Street. 00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:01.200 I'm not like startled under any circumstances. 00:24:01.759 --> 00:24:05.039 There's very little blood in Texas Chainsaw Massacre, if any. 00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:13.599 And it's one of the scariest movies just from the tone, the music, every single thing about it, the angles that the camera goes in. 00:24:13.680 --> 00:24:17.519 It's just the shadows, the um it's a scary movie. 00:24:17.599 --> 00:24:21.599 You know, and there's nothing that you can put your finger on, you know, and it's no there's no gorgeous. 00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:23.920 There's also very little blood in Halloween. 00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:26.960 Yeah, I just me for Halloween's scary. 00:24:27.039 --> 00:24:30.960 It's a good one because it's like this dreamscape nightmare. 00:24:31.119 --> 00:24:35.200 Because everyone has a dream where they're being stalked by this faceless figure. 00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:39.839 So I think it hits on these primordial kind of uh feelings, you know. 00:24:40.240 -->

00:24:44.160 For me, what I love most about Halloween is just the score, the music. 00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:59.920 That's my favorite part, and I I'm sure that's probably for for a lot of people, that is their that's what really like, in my opinion, I feel that the music brings it to life and helps to amplify it uh to a new level. 00:25:00.319 --> 00:25:05.119 John Carpenter's a master, a musician as well as filmmaker, for sure. 00:25:05.839 --> 00:25:07.680 Yes, definitely 100%. 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:12.240 But you said that we're entering a golden age of horror. 00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:15.200 Like, what do you say when you define golden age? 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:15.920 Like, give me some. 00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:17.279 824. 00:25:18.319 --> 00:25:19.200 824? 00:25:19.599 --> 00:25:20.400 824? 00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:23.680 So the production company that's making all the movies. 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:24.880 A24, yes. 00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:26.799 They are rocketing. 00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:29.039 Every one of their movies is fantastic. 00:25:29.279 --> 00:25:29.839 Oh yes. 00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:31.200 I've watched uh We Live in the world. 00:25:31.359 --> 00:25:33.359 I mean, Nasrado's 824, you know what I mean? 00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:41.759 Um, you know, The Witch, uh Lighthouse, um, you know, uh she's just some hereditary midsummer. 00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:47.839 Um Midsummer was very was actually so okay. 00:25:48.079 --> 00:25:55.119 My number one celebrity crush in the business more than anything else is the gorgeous, beautiful, talented Florence Pugh. 00:25:55.759 --> 00:25:58.559 You must have really liked uh old uh what's it called? 00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:00.640 Um the atomic bomb movie. 00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:03.039 Yes, yes, I like her. 00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:06.000 She was uh looking pretty good in that one. 00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:08.559 Yes, no, sure her career is taking off. 00:26:09.200 --> 00:26:11.279 She's fantastic, she's an incredible actress. 00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:20.880 But Midsommar, because being a former cult member myself, that movie was actually really tough for me to watch at certain points. 00:26:21.039 --> 00:26:25.039 Like, um, like I said, truth is way stranger than fiction. 00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:28.559 So that one kind of like struck me inside a bit. 00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:31.680 Yeah, definitely, yes, yeah. 00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:36.960 But so A24, they are the ones who are reintroducing the golden age. 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:37.680 Do you feel that? 00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:38.400 I think so. 00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:46.319 Because I don't like Bloomhouse is fine, like it's I just think that they're cheesy, they're not they're not up to that standard, that the the artistic standard. 00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:49.519 You know, it's like this it's all art now. 00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:55.359 You don't really see like slasher films, even there was a slasher film just recently, but they tried to make it like an art film. 00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:55.839 What was that? 00:26:55.920 --> 00:27:02.720 Did you see that where it's just like really, really boring and quiet, like from the point of view of the killer and he's going through the forest? 00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:04.880 What the hell was the name of that one? 00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:06.480 It just came out recently. 00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:07.519 But a lot of people liked it. 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:10.400 It was super arty, but it was just like so boring. 00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:19.359 But um, I think like you know, horror's become an artistic medium now, and it's really fascinating to see what people are doing with it, you know, bizarre stuff. 00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:20.319 The lighthouse. 00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:21.920 What the fuck is that? 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:34.960 One thing I like about one thing I like about A24 is that they are willing to throw away what I refer to as the rule book and do it the way they want it to. 00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:37.279 Like you know what the rule book is. 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:38.640 Am I correct? 00:27:39.039 --> 00:27:50.319 Well, the traditional 80s rule book they throw away, but I would say that they keep in line with with classic films, like you were saying The Shining or The Exorcist, things like that, where you're on a on a deeper level, more literary. 00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:51.839 Uh, you know what I mean? 00:27:52.079 --> 00:28:09.440 Yeah, no, when I say the rule book, I mean the way Hollywood operates these days, which is everything has to be censored, everything has to be soft, there's certain stuff you can't say under any circumstances because we have a generation that's so easily triggered and stuff like that. 00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:12.079 No, but the movies are insane these days. 00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:13.759 I mean, the the things that they're showing. 00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:16.240 God, have you seen the new Terrifier movie? 00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:17.440 Terrifier 3? 00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:21.440 Dude, like a close-up of a dude's dick and balls getting chainsawed off. 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:24.400 Or just getting straight chainsawed off. 00:28:24.559 --> 00:28:31.119 You know, images of Jesus, Mother Mary, uh, little first five minutes, little children being killed. 00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:34.720 Like it is is a non-stop insane gore fest. 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:36.720 You know, there was very little storyline. 00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:39.599 It was a stupid movie, but I've fucking loved it. 00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:43.519 Like, if there's no storyline, then is it really worth watching? 00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:44.319 That's the question. 00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:49.920 No, if do you like gratuitous violence in gore? 00:28:50.079 --> 00:29:01.839 Really well shot, like very beautifully shot, but really, you know, with this cool-looking clown that's really spooky looking, and it's really spooky and creepy, but no, my favorite horror clown will always be Pennywise.

00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:02.880 Nice. 00:29:03.119 --> 00:29:03.680 Yes, yeah. 00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:06.960 Bill Skarsgard, he he nailed it, and of course, yeah. 00:29:07.200 --> 00:29:11.920 No Sparatu, he was on his A game in Nosperatu. 00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:15.759 Clan I mean he was like Unrecognizable, yeah. 00:29:16.319 --> 00:29:23.519 Um, and just the way he was able to really embody the character, he's truly his father's son. 00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:28.079 Because his father can play a really fucked up individual. 00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:30.720 I mean, you've seen the girl in the dragon tattoo. 00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:32.240 Yeah, a long time ago. 00:29:34.079 --> 00:29:36.240 He played a really fucked up individual in that movie. 00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:40.319 So I feel that he his son has inherited that quality. 00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:45.200 Do you ever watch that old TV show Hemlock, um, Hemlock Drive? 00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:48.400 He was in it, he played a vampire in it, yeah. 00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:51.599 Yes, yeah, yeah, no. 00:29:51.759 --> 00:30:21.839 I uh but definitely like the world of horror is is changing, and I'm glad that they're really kind of stepping away from the norm and getting back into the classic and stuff like that back when because I I've wa I've watched so many stuff so much stuff from like the 70s and parts of the in like the early eighties and stuff, uh when they knew how to just get under your skin, when they knew how to twist with your mind, and they make you they make you think and look at reality from a totally different angle. 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:23.759 Which is what art is supposed to do. 00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:26.160 You just defined what art is supposed to do. 00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:29.039 Yes, exactly, exactly, 100%. 00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:45.599 For me though, and you may find this ridiculous, the most disturbing, horrifying, fucked up movie I ever saw in my life was A Clockwork Orange, directed by my favorite director and uh my inspiration, Stanley Kubrick. 00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:49.839 That was the most fucked up, disturbed movie I'd ever seen in my life. 00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:51.359 Yeah, it's a good one. 00:30:51.440 --> 00:30:56.000 You know, I've seen it literally probably hundreds of times since I was a little tiny child. 00:30:57.200 --> 00:30:58.160 How young are we talking? 00:30:58.240 --> 00:30:59.200 Like, when did your parents? 00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:01.920 My parents weren't just weren't there, you know. 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:05.680 They just the uh the the TV was all mine. 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:07.519 Oh cable TV. 00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:11.599 I also was allowed to walk to the video store and rent movies. 00:31:12.160 --> 00:31:21.759 I mean, me, I I have no interest in like brainwashing my kids with Disney and like uh Disney DreamWorks illumination shit and stuff like that. 00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:26.960 I'm like, you're gonna watch when I have kids, they're gonna watch the movies

dad likes. 00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:31.839 Like, literally, I plan on letting them watch the movie American Sniper when they're five. 00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:36.720 Yeah, well that they don't always uh react to it in the way that you want them to. 00:31:36.880 --> 00:31:37.920 I have two kids. 00:31:38.079 --> 00:31:39.920 One's 19, one's 11. 00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:43.359 And um, I've gone through the horror thing with both of them. 00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:45.440 Um it's interesting. 00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:47.680 How they react. 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:49.599 I find it interesting. 00:31:49.680 --> 00:32:00.799 Like when when when it comes to exposing kids at a young age to horror, like how do you feel that some kids do not like I have friends whose kids like it and stuff. 00:32:00.960 --> 00:32:10.640 My son didn't really well he I tried to show him like Night of the Living Dead, and it was too scary for him, and uh other things, and then he got like an interest in it. 00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:12.160 He had a deep interest. 00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:15.759 This is really weird because we're total film geeks and buffs. 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:21.359 So I started showing him like German expressionism, like the original Nosferato, and he liked that. 00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:35.039 Um Metropolis was like one of his favorites, so he was like into these weird 1920s black and white movies, and then as he got older, you know, he wanted to, and then I remember when the Stephen King's first it came out. 00:32:35.200 --> 00:32:42.799 I can't, he was pretty little, he was probably like 11, 10, he wanted to see it, and I was like, Well, I'm going, you can come see it. 00:32:43.039 --> 00:32:49.039 And he came with me and he was nervous, and like when it got to that scene in the basement, he's like, I don't know, I'm really scared. 00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:53.200 I don't know, and I'm like, Well, you know, I'm here in the movie theater, I'm not going anywhere. 00:32:53.359 --> 00:33:01.440 You just could have to like close your eyes, but well, I and he he he accepted it, and ever since then he's been able to watch just about anything, you know. 00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:07.119 Well, I love the news the new it and it chapter two more than I do the Tim Curry version. 00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:08.960 No, so I'm talking about the new one, yeah. 00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:12.400 Yep, and I can explain to you why it's perfect. 00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:17.920 So Stephen King was on set, not all the time, but on a vast number of occasions. 00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:21.759 I mean, he makes a cameo in it chapter two, yes, yeah. 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:26.079 Because the director was determined to get it right. 00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:32.319 If you know enough about Stephen King and his opinion, there needs to be an orgy. 00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:33.359 Yes, there does. 00:33:34.079 --> 00:33:39.200 How are you gonna defeat uh how are you gonna defeat a space spider without a pretty teen a teen orgy? 00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:41.119 To think about it. 00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:44.000 It's the only way you can defeat a space spider. 00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:45.759 Can you? 00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:47.599 Is that really the way? 00:33:47.839 --> 00:33:49.680 Is that powerful? 00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:50.880 That's right. 00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:54.799 I mean, sex is the reason why we're able to produce human life. 00:33:55.920 --> 00:33:56.240 No. 00:33:56.960 --> 00:33:59.440 It's probably a smart move to like take leave that part out. 00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:01.440 We're just gonna leave this part out. 00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:15.519 Because you you mentioned that, like, you I I don't want to say you have a relationship with the king of horror, but you mentioned uh Stephen King in regards to your credentials with uh writing and horror. 00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:17.199 Uh elaborate on that for me. 00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:22.400 I was just in a in a book with Stephen King, like a book of short stories, and he was in there. 00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:25.519 Uh it's a bunch of really heavy hitters in that book. 00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:30.000 Um, I don't know, it was a lot of really good writers in there, and I I was just lucky enough to get in there. 00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:32.320 It was pretty cool to see your name next to Stephen King. 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:33.199 You know what I mean? 00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:34.239 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:34.719 Definitely. 00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:36.000 You've hit the jackpot. 00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:36.559 Yeah, yeah. 00:34:36.639 --> 00:34:55.280 Yeah, because here's the thing that I think some people know about Stephen King and others don't is that when it comes to like the adaptations of his novels and stuff, um, he's gonna take it very, very personally if you fuck up. 00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:58.159 Like literally I don't know if that's even true, oh man. 00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:02.159 He notoriously gave Stanley Kubrick a world of shit. 00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:07.280 He they just had they just had like a personal fucking thing going on right from the beginning. 00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:15.840 But well, what happened was Stanley Kubrick did an interview in Playboy magazine, and he's like, Yeah, I got this story from this guy, he's a hack, a horror writer. 00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:16.800 It wasn't even scary. 00:35:16.880 --> 00:35:19.440 I had to try to make it scary, no one even died is in it. 00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.000 And he's he's like, you know, because Hollorin doesn't die in it, you know. 00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:24.800 He's like, I had to make it someone die to make it scary. 00:35:24.960 --> 00:35:36.239 And Stephen King was like, See, really, man, you know, and at this time, Stephen King wasn't Stephen King, like we know him today, he was just a new writer, and they just had beef, man, that they never got over. 00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:43.280 But oh, I mean, like, there were some terrible King adaptions, like the

uh uh The Boogeyman that just came out. 00:35:43.519 --> 00:35:44.719 Did you see that? 00:35:45.119 --> 00:35:46.000 No, I didn't. 00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:58.159 It's based on a short story that uh from Night Shift, and um, there's already been a couple different film versions over the past three fucking decades, and Hegel was like all about it. 00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:06.719 Oh, this is great, this is wonderful, da da da, and it had like deviated so far from the story, and he's still or like the new Firestarter. 00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:07.679 Did you see that? 00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:08.639 I want to. 00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:13.760 I want to it is awful, it has nothing to do with the st it's like completely different. 00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:16.800 They just made a whole new different story, you know? 00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:18.800 Like, um, and he was all about it. 00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:26.159 So I just think that if you're if he's cool with you as a director and stuff, he'll be cool with your shit. 00:36:26.239 --> 00:36:27.039 Like, you know what I mean? 00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:27.599 I don't know. 00:36:27.760 --> 00:36:32.800 Yeah, well, well, he I I saw an interview with him about his relationship with Stanley Kubrick. 00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:38.800 He said they only met once, and he said he in he described Kubrick as being very impulsive. 00:36:38.880 --> 00:36:42.960 I'm like, everyone knows that Kubrick was impulsive. 00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:45.199 I shared the same birthday as the guy. 00:36:45.519 --> 00:36:46.239 Do you nice? 00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:46.639 That's good. 00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:50.719 Yes, yes, I'm very proud of it because he's he's my inspiration for writing. 00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:53.280 Uh, I talked about this in another one of my episodes. 00:36:53.440 --> 00:36:58.159 When I write a script, I'm currently working on my second script right now. 00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:00.480 Uh, it's called My Cousin Juan. 00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:08.960 It is about the drug wars in Latin America and their impact on the United States, told from a different angle. 00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:13.599 Because here's the thing about Kubrick: he never did the same thing twice. 00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:20.000 If you reflect on his entire career in every movie he made, he was a chameleon. 00:37:20.320 --> 00:37:26.639 He was a very not exactly impulsive individual, but he was one for change. 00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:32.559 And they even said, if you want it easy, just don't work for Kubrick, because he was gonna make it tough. 00:37:33.199 --> 00:37:37.599 And one of the most famous things he said, he said this to Malcolm McDowell. 00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:41.920 I don't know what I want, but I know what I don't want. 00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:43.039 Right. 00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:43.920 That says it all. 00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:46.159 Yeah, he'd make you do like 86 takes. 00:37:46.239 --> 00:37:47.840 I mean, he broke Shelly Duvall. 00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:49.039 He's

like straight broker. 00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:52.960 But I mean, you can tell that she's broken and it looks beautiful. 00:37:53.039 --> 00:37:53.679 It's fantastic. 00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:55.760 You're like, she's fucked up, you know what I mean? 00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:58.960 He actually he actually gave her shit on set sometimes. 00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:02.559 He was giving it because no, like mad shit, dude. 00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:04.000 There's all kinds of footage of it. 00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:08.880 There's footage of her doing coke, and he's going, That's not gonna help you, Shelly. 00:38:09.280 --> 00:38:15.760 It was the age because his daughter was made a little documentary about the shining, Kubrick's daughter, that you can find. 00:38:15.840 --> 00:38:20.159 It's like on YouTube and stuff, and it's like half of it is just him giving Shelly Duvall shit. 00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:30.320 Like just really and being so cool with Jack Nicholson, just being like buddy buddy with him and just but look at the performance you got. 00:38:30.639 --> 00:38:32.320 Yes, yes, definitely, yeah. 00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:36.960 It it destroyed her, but it is her it is definitely her legacy. 00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:37.679 That's the thing. 00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:43.360 Like Kubrick broke her, but gave her something that we will forever remember. 00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:56.639 And like here's the thing also about like uh about horror is when it is like the most favor our favorite character always ends up being the villain. 00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:00.000 And what's your take on villains? 00:39:00.159 --> 00:39:02.079 Like, what would you say is the perfect villain? 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:03.920 Oh, geez, I don't know. 00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:10.480 You know, um I like uh I like uh Patrick Bateman, he's pretty fun. 00:39:10.800 --> 00:39:14.239 Uh you know, Hannibal Lecter is a pretty good villain. 00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:18.480 Like more the I for me, I'm like a kind I like more humans than monsters. 00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:20.320 Same very much so. 00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:25.440 My my favorite villain in the book is the is the gentleman villain, as I describe it. 00:39:25.599 --> 00:39:30.480 Somebody who is charming, charismatic, manipulative, persuasive. 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:31.760 Hannibal Lecter. 00:39:32.320 --> 00:39:33.920 Exactly, Hannibal Lecter. 00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:37.280 The the the the real origin behind Hannibal Lecter. 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:44.400 Uh, so he was actually he was not um insp inspired by any real-life serial killer or murderer. 00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:57.599 Um, the author of the books um was actually a a crime journalist in the 1960s for like really vicious crimes and stuff like that, like homicide. 00:39:58.079 --> 00:40:09.039 And every single portion of the Hannibal Lecter saga and the things that made Lecter Lecter are inspired by true crime events. 00:40:09.360 --> 00:40:12.960 They're inspired by actual murders and actual homicides. 00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:24.800 Well, yeah, well, the part where he has um, you know, the young agent going in to interview him is based on the FBI going to interview Ted Bundy about the Green River Killer. 00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:29.679 Because, you know, the FBI went to Ted Bundy and we're asking him, how do we catch this fucking guy? 00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:37.199 And Ted Bundy told him, When you find a body, just stake it out and wait, because he's gonna come back to have sex with it, which ended up to be totally true. 00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:41.760 But they just couldn't leave a body laying there in the forest, rotting like that, like staked out. 00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:49.280 And then, of course, um Buffalo Bill, the uh, you know, if Silence of the Lambs, he's based off of like Ed Gean. 00:40:49.840 --> 00:40:55.679 Uh a mash of Ed Gean and his uh persuasion is based on Ted Bundy. 00:40:55.840 --> 00:41:03.519 Because Ted Bundy, if you know enough about him, like I know a ton about American serial killers, I've been studying them for years. 00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:12.559 Uh Bundy would put his arm in a sling to pretend that he was injured, and he used that as his tool to lure women to their death. 00:41:12.880 --> 00:41:14.079 And he did that, yeah. 00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:16.480 Well, you say you're about a size 28. 00:41:18.159 --> 00:41:20.960 She was an American girl. 00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:24.559 I thought this was a podcast, not karaoke night. 00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:36.320 No, and also, uh, spoiler alert, anybody who likes the show Monsters, their next their next season is Ed Gain. 00:41:36.480 --> 00:41:37.599 I know, I'm so excited. 00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:38.880 I saw the pictures, it looks great. 00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:39.840 Like, definitely. 00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:40.880 I'm really stoked. 00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:45.440 My question is this can he live up to being Ed Gain? 00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:45.920 I don't know. 00:41:46.000 --> 00:41:46.800 That guy, what's his name? 00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:47.360 I can't even remember. 00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:49.039 The Sons of Anarchy guy. 00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:52.159 He was in my town the other day at the thrift store. 00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:53.199 They made a big deal about it. 00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:55.519 They're like, what's he doing here at the thrift store? 00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:56.159 Oh well. 00:41:56.880 --> 00:41:58.079 I think he seems fine. 00:41:58.159 --> 00:41:59.599 I used to watch Sons of Anarchy. 00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:02.000 I have a friend who used to write for it and stuff. 00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:05.519 Yes, I'm you know what? 00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:12.239 I I I'm starting to think to myself, I need to maybe move out to LA if I really want to make it in the big shots and stuff like that. 00:42:13.599 --> 00:42:18.400 They say that you have the same chance of winning the lottery as you do moving to LA with a script. 00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:20.400 I don't know.

00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:21.920 Yeah, I know. 00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:25.920 Like rejection is like it rejection is brutal. 00:42:26.079 --> 00:42:30.559 I saw an interview with the Duffer brothers, the guys created Stranger Things. 00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:36.800 They got rejected 20 times before they were able to finally sell the script and stuff. 00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:44.000 And I'm my screenplay uh has gotten a few bites, but people have definitely like strolled away. 00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:54.880 The number one feed I've gotten more than anything else is that rather than make it a feature film, it should be broken down into a miniseries because I wrote it in an autour style. 00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:56.880 The miniseries is where it's at today. 00:42:57.039 --> 00:43:00.239 I mean, I to see things did you see the New Salems a lot? 00:43:00.559 --> 00:43:05.440 I thought that was terrible, and uh I thought they should have made it like a 10-hour fucking miniseries, you know? 00:43:05.519 --> 00:43:07.440 It's such a complicated story. 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:14.239 Yeah, I didn't have the chance to see it, but I definitely will back you up 100% because they generally change the story, it's terrible. 00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:31.199 I've I've read the book, so I I know for a fact it's a very elongated and stretched and stretched out story and stuff, and that um even though like we have the classic movie and everything like that with the Toby Hooper version? 00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:32.559 Correct, yes. 00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:39.679 There's so much more to tell in Salem's Lot than you can put on the screen for like what two hours? 00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:42.159 It's definitely a whole town. 00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:49.039 And actually, if I were to direct it, I would shoot the whole thing in black and white. 00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:50.960 Interesting take. 00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:52.800 Did you see Midnight Mass? 00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:54.639 A lot of people compare that to Salem's Lot. 00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:55.360 Oh, great. 00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:56.159 It's a great movie. 00:43:56.239 --> 00:43:57.280 Mike Flanagan, you know. 00:43:57.519 --> 00:43:59.760 The reason I would shoot it in black and white is. 00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.440 Because I I call that adding the Hitchcock element. 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:05.039 I like black and white movies. 00:44:05.440 --> 00:44:09.039 Yes, because if if we didn't have Alfred Hitchcock, we probably would not have horror. 00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:13.199 He was not exactly horror per se, but he was the master of suspense. 00:44:13.519 --> 00:44:13.840 Absolutely. 00:44:14.159 --> 00:44:21.519 He introduced us to the world a bit, and like we know the the lighthouse was uh a black and white version, stuff like that. 00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:28.159 I feel that psycho is like a legendary horror milestone masterpiece, icon, yeah. 00:44:28.559 --> 00:44:29.119 Definitely. 00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:32.320 I actually I actually what is it? 00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:35.360 One of the um one of the scripts I've been working on. 00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:41.519 I th I think I I believe I I did it in uh I think I did it in the Demon in the Woods. 00:44:41.679 --> 00:44:50.880 I actually made a a punchline joke about Psycho just to add to the element of uh of horror. 00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:53.360 I I like really had to reflect deeply. 00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:55.840 It took me five years to write the script. 00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:59.519 Um so it's something I'm very account I'm proud of and stuff like that. 00:44:59.840 --> 00:45:08.320 But in order to really appeal to an audience, I needed to add jokes and humor from other horror movies. 00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:24.000 Like, in it, one of the lines is about the main characters were performing what they describe as a half-ass exorcism, and they're talking to uh uh they're talking to a guy, and he's like, I thought that's something that only priests in Hollywood movies do. 00:45:25.199 --> 00:45:30.000 Because if anybody is familiar with the exorcist, like you'll know what I'm talking about. 00:45:31.280 --> 00:45:37.920 My dad actually met the um the actor who played the young priest in the exorcist world. 00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:38.239 Oh really? 00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:41.760 Damien I know about that guy a little bit. 00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:45.199 He's like he was like a stage actor in New York, right? 00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:53.199 Yes, he was uh big, he was in the theater world, uh not really the Hollywood world, and he did a lot of writing too. 00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:54.079 Yeah. 00:45:54.960 --> 00:45:55.599 Yes. 00:45:55.840 --> 00:46:00.320 How he got the role, I'm not I don't really remember per se. 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:02.079 Did you see the new Exorcist film? 00:46:02.239 --> 00:46:06.159 The Exorcist uh unfortunately I had the displeasure of seeing it. 00:46:07.039 --> 00:46:08.639 Okay, describe displeasure. 00:46:08.719 --> 00:46:11.440 Tell me what was so displeasuring about it. 00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:13.599 Oh, I don't know where to start. 00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:20.239 I mean, uh just the idea that they had alright, when uh here's one of my pep pees. 00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:21.679 Helen Bernstein. 00:46:21.840 --> 00:46:30.880 They bring her in there, they they probably paid her all this money to make this cameo, and she just makes the most ridiculous cameo, and it seems like she's laughing through it. 00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:34.239 And then all of a sudden, what they just like stab her in the eyeball. 00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:39.280 Like she's on the movie for like just like a couple minutes, and it's just like re- utterly re- It was almost comedic. 00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:40.960 Almost a laugh at what happened. 00:46:41.119 --> 00:46:42.800 And then they bring Linda Blair in. 00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:44.639 I don't even think she had a line. 00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:48.639 She just like shows up out of nowhere at the end for no

reason. 00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:53.760 It was just felt like very, I think, like two lines, I think two lines max. 00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:55.599 It was like I love you, mama, or something. 00:46:55.679 --> 00:47:05.760 Yeah, and it was like it was just and that whole storyline there with them too was just like so forced and ridiculous and like told and not seen in any way, you know what I mean? 00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:14.800 Like, and I just felt like everything was over the top, and when they brought in all the different religions and stuff, I am I'm not I'm not a religious person. 00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:18.239 I'm actually, if you want to know the truth, like religious habit. 00:47:18.480 --> 00:48:05.199 Okay, I'm but that's just it's in a Catholic world, it's a Catholic story in a Catholic world where so if you went and watched Coney and the Barbarian, you'd be like, Well, this is the barbarian world, this is the world that they live in, and this is and so when you watch the exorcist, it's the Catholic world, and you you take that, you're like, this is the way the Catholic churches set up to think with all their weird demons and devils and bullshit, and uh they were introducing all these other new religions and stuff, you know what I mean, and bringing them in and trying to bind them, and it just felt so forced and like an attempt to maybe be like more uh uh uh you know inviting or something, more but it just which which would normally maybe work and be cool, but I felt in that circumstance it did not work, and it was just truly terrible. 00:48:05.440 --> 00:48:13.360 And the two girls made it even trite, and then the main actor, the main guy, the father of the two girls, that guy couldn't act, man. 00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:17.039 I mean, he had the same facial expression the entire this like this. 00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:19.280 Oh definitely, definitely 100%. 00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:31.280 He was bland, he was yeah, I don't want to say straightforward per se, but he definitely stuck to only one, he stuck to what he knew. 00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:37.920 He didn't ex he didn't really embody the idea and stuff like that. 00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:50.000 He didn't really soak in the genre, he should have soaked in the genre a bit more, and I feel if he had done that, he would have gotten better props than than how he performed, because he was very bland, in my opinion. 00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:53.440 I I I definitely myself in regards to him, I was disappointed. 00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:56.159 And you see Mike Flanagan's now making one. 00:48:56.480 --> 00:48:57.119 Really? 00:48:57.360 --> 00:49:00.960 Yes, a prequel, I think maybe. 00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:06.239 I don't know, but he it's under production is happening, if the script's been approved, a pre-production's underway. 00:49:06.400 --> 00:49:11.679 It's it's you talk about like how it does, it revolves around the Catholic world and stuff like that. 00:49:12.000 --> 00:49:26.880 I have actually considered this, and I think I don't know because I'm I'm a little apprehensive about writing it because I know how judgmental the Catholics are and stuff about the real Cat real Catholicism. 00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:34.880 I want to write a a a smooth uh about the pedophilia within the Catholic Church. 00:49:34.960 --> 00:49:35.280 Yeah, yeah. 00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:42.960 I actually I feel um not to stray away from horror, but focus on horror in regards to what I said. 00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:49.519 The reality is ten times stranger than fiction, far more disturbing than anything Stephen King has written in his career. 00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:51.679 It's Did you see the heretic? 00:49:52.239 --> 00:49:52.880 No, I didn't. 00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:53.519 No, I didn't. 00:49:53.679 --> 00:49:55.840 I heard about it, I heard about it, and I need to see it. 00:49:56.159 --> 00:50:26.800 Um, because here's the thing so much has surfaced within the past five years now about like the real inner workings of the Catholic Church, and there's actually a movement going on as we speak within the Vatican, the new generation of priests and reverends are trying to organize and get legal justice for every single victim of Catholicism pedophilia before the elder generation dies out. 00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:28.880 Too little, too late. 00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:30.400 Definitely, definitely. 00:50:30.480 --> 00:50:39.679 I was talking about it with uh uh some co-workers of mine who uh have their own experience within the church, and they said, Yeah, it's not gonna happen. 00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:47.679 It's just not gonna happen because the the they have way more power than we actually are truly aware of. 00:50:47.840 --> 00:50:56.079 But I feel that it's time that somebody broke the mold and took it to a new level and showed the reality of religion. 00:50:56.320 --> 00:51:03.679 Didn't that movie win the Academy Award uh about the newspaper article, a newspaper journalist in Boston that broke the story? 00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:05.679 Michael Keaton played it. 00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:07.360 He might have even won the Academy Award. 00:51:08.079 --> 00:51:08.480 What was that called? 00:51:09.280 --> 00:51:14.719 Like the story, the the something, the something, like the some the I can't remember. 00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:15.920 I know what you're talking about. 00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:19.679 Byline, the tagline, the the headline, I think. 00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:22.000 Headline, it's not a it's not, but it's just like that. 00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:23.760 It's like the headline, yeah, yeah, something like that. 00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:25.119 Um yes, yeah. 00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:26.000 It was really good. 00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:30.480 Yeah, so like if people ever they should make a horror version of me. 00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:31.840 I mean, oh that's so creepy. 00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:32.639 Catholic stuff. 00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:34.800 I like Catholic stuff because it's so fucking

creepy. 00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:37.119 I have like some Mother Marys around here and shit. 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:37.920 Me too. 00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:39.679 Like the imagery is so dark and weird. 00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:44.320 In the Demon in the Woods, one of the characters is actually a priest, but he's different. 00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:46.880 Like he could walk into you. 00:51:47.119 --> 00:51:47.760 No, no. 00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:47.920 Oh. 00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:57.039 He's kind of he's the the priest who is not totally in touch with tradition. 00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:01.920 Like, I I I've already visualized this the scene and stuff like that. 00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:17.199 When you walk into his office and stuff, you see on his desk the book of Revelations and like a journal, and right over his right there in front of him is a picture of Father Damien uh Amort, the Pope's exorcist and stuff. 00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:20.639 So you can tell that this guy is not your traditional priest. 00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:28.800 This is a guy who really is more fascinated in the inner workings of religion, like the the dark demonologies of it? 00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:30.880 Yes, the demonologies and stuff. 00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:32.079 I love that stuff. 00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:34.079 I love demons and shit, man. 00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:35.599 Yes, yeah. 00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:41.760 And and yeah, I thought that that would be definitely something that needed to be brought to light. 00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:50.320 And I really am thinking about I I've I've got too many scripts kind of in the works right now, and I need to focus on them. 00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:52.320 You're a writer, so you know how it is. 00:52:52.400 --> 00:53:01.280 We get a thousand brilliant ideas in one sitting, but then we sit down and are like, okay, one sitting at a time, one story at a time. 00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:02.400 Yes, it's hard work. 00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:08.960 Like, right now, like, here's the reality: the Demon in the Woods only took me three days to write. 00:53:09.119 --> 00:53:26.639 I just sat down on my ass, like every good writer does, had my eyes cemented to my laptop for like four to six hours each day, and just reviewed it, typed until okay, I got that spicy ending, end script. 00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:34.480 But it took me five years of reviews, opinions, criticism in order to get it perfect. 00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:36.159 Writing is rewriting. 00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:37.199 Mm-hmm. 00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:38.400 Yes, yeah. 00:53:38.639 --> 00:53:43.039 And I told myself, well, the one I'm like I said, I'm currently working. 00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:48.960 Um, I had started a s a script that's inspired by my cult experience called Vernon Hills. 00:53:49.039 --> 00:54:00.639 I've actually put that on hiatus because uh I want to um it's it's it's based on it's inspired by my own experience and the experience of about uh 20 other people. 00:54:01.039 --> 00:54:19.760 So uh part

of my mission is to not just do them justice, but be very true to them, because these were people who uh were not just deeply affected, but also were by my side through some of the hardest times of my life and kind of helped to keep me going. 00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:38.480 So I want to actually uh save that a bit and kind of consult with them, talk with them, and maybe even like record some of their stories and experience before I proceed any further, and then you know, like they see it on the silver screen and they're like, Al, you didn't tell us, why didn't you talk to us? 00:54:38.639 --> 00:54:47.599 Like this happened to all of us, and so be yeah, so I'm focusing on my cousin Juan, which is about the the drug wars and stuff like that. 00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:51.119 Um you you love true crime. 00:54:51.599 --> 00:54:58.719 Do you so here's the thing Do you ever watch those videos about airport arrests with drugs? 00:54:59.360 --> 00:55:03.519 Sometimes I get them in my feed, like on my in like reels or TikTok. 00:55:03.760 --> 00:55:04.639 Yeah, I get them. 00:55:05.199 --> 00:55:06.960 Sure, I watch that shunner shit. 00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:20.880 I watch, I watch uh I got it's like a guilty pleasure because I mean uh it's not really like studying I consider true crime like a study of society, a study of you know culture, of peoples, of law, you know what I mean? 00:55:21.119 --> 00:55:28.960 Watching uh drunk ladies get arrested on TikTok isn't technically true crime, but it's pretty uh guilty pleasure. 00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:34.480 And when I watch all that shit, people getting busted at the airport, uh, all kinds of weird shit. 00:55:34.800 --> 00:55:38.960 Shootouts, some car chases, all that shit. 00:55:39.280 --> 00:55:47.760 Yeah, so I watch I watch uh I watch them a lot, and my wife is from Latin America, so she knows some of the inner working. 00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:55.920 So let's put it this way: people need to understand not every drug kingpin is Walter White or Gus Frank. 00:55:56.719 --> 00:56:11.599 What if I told you that some of these people are doing it solely out of desperation because they know that like a uh a crackhead in North Carolina will pay them a very pretty penny so that their family can be stable. 00:56:11.920 --> 00:56:15.679 Oh yeah, I would say 99% of them are doing it out of desperation. 00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:17.199 The ones that get caught. 00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:18.559 The ones that get caught. 00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:21.280 The ones that get caught are usually, yeah, totally. 00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:23.599 They wouldn't be putting themselves in that situation. 00:56:24.079 --> 00:56:26.480 Yeah, because people think too much about like the drug wars. 00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:44.159 They think about the blood, they think about the violence, they think about the mutilation in the streets of water as this, this story is about the other side, the more human side, the desperation, this is all I know, this is what will keep my family alive. 00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:45.199 Yeah. 00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:46.480 Yes, yeah. 00:56:46.559 --> 00:57:10.239 As as a writer for me, whether it be horror, whether it be truth, whether it be um comedy and stuff, I like to really break the mold and kind of focus on um, how do I put it per se, the uh the other side of the story that uh is more truth than what we perceive as reality. 00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:12.239 I mean, that's what literature is all about. 00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:12.719 Yeah. 00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:13.119 Right. 00:57:13.360 --> 00:57:15.519 Like you as a writer, tell me a bit more. 00:57:15.599 --> 00:57:16.800 What do you focus on? 00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:26.480 If you're writing a the next spicy horror novel or comic or whatever, what is your what's your go-to methodology? 00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:28.639 What angle are you aiming at? 00:57:29.199 --> 00:57:42.719 One of the main things I explore, one of the things that scares me the most as a father and uh is the uh the uh annihilation of a family, the a family breaking apart, and you know and the culture that binds a family breaking apart. 00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:48.239 So I'm out here in Northern California, and it's like this whole pot-growing culture, this whole pot-growing world. 00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:55.679 So, like a lot of my stories are about uh families that are involved in cannabis and the horror stories that can come from that. 00:57:55.920 --> 00:58:22.800 Um so like the book story I'm working on right now is about um a family, and they were like hippies in the woods, and the dad was all about organic gardening and homesteading and being close to the earth, but the mom was moving more in towards the money direction and also like processing cannabis, turning weed into like gummies and soda pops, lollipops, oils, vape pens, and she becomes very successful. 00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:27.039 And when and when weed gets legal, the price of growing it is like nothing. 00:58:27.199 --> 00:58:32.000 So they move up into the city now so that she can pursue this thing. 00:58:32.159 --> 00:58:36.480 She's got a warehouse now, she's making, and she's famous for making weed lollipops. 00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:38.559 And it's this whole weed lollipop thing. 00:58:38.719 --> 00:58:42.079 But the but the husband is like this dreadlocked hippie, and he wants to like live on it. 00:58:42.159 --> 00:58:43.519 He's like, What about the soil? 00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:44.559 What about the plant? 00:58:44.639 --> 00:58:52.559 You know, you're taking it, you're stripping it away of all of its nature and turning it into like a chemical, and they're like having this, they're breaking apart because of this. 00:58:52.800 --> 00:59:00.320 And they had lived in this like little cabin that was completely off-grid, and now they move into a house that's like a smart house. 00:59:00.480 --> 00:59:04.400 There's a screen on everything, and the place is just haunted as fuck. 00:59:04.639

--> 00:59:09.920 Like it all the screens aren't working, everything's going weird, the doors keep locking, unlocking. 00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:15.039 It's like it's it's crazy, and the horrible murder ensues, and the entire family falls apart. 00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:17.199 It turns into like a crazy revenge story. 00:59:17.280 --> 00:59:19.440 It's uh it goes off the rails. 00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:38.320 It starts as like a family drama exploring this dynamic between like the hippie husband and the more um yuppie mom, and the way their different views on cannabis diverge, and this like whole cultural shift which is taking place right now in California with legalization, because legalization's completely like changed everything. 00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:41.360 But then it just turns into out-of-control horror, bloodbath. 00:59:41.840 --> 00:59:42.639 Nice, nice. 00:59:42.719 --> 00:59:43.440 That's interesting. 00:59:43.599 --> 00:59:46.000 That's definitely I I wouldn't have seen that coming. 00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:47.599 That's uh that's good. 00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:54.559 I definitely am I I'm making sure that in my cousin Juan that there is some blood and mutilation stuff. 00:59:54.800 --> 01:00:15.360 There's a scene I I wrote where you have Juan talking with his his counterpart, uh, who hi his cousin, um, and he shows him pictures about like people who he cared about very deeply and may have done deals with, and I'm like, this is the reality of the price one has to pay. 01:00:15.519 --> 01:00:29.519 Like, kind of I I put in there like a woman who was brutally raped before they started breaking her bones, or a guy whose uh decapitated head was mailed to his wife as kind of a trophy/slash message and stuff like that. 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:36.320 Um I I definitely try to focus on the human element, like this is all I know, this is what keeps us afloat. 01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:41.039 But you can't have the drug wars without war, if you get what I'm saying. 01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:42.239 Yeah. 01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:45.679 Yes, definitely. 01:00:45.840 --> 01:00:52.880 And I know I need to I I've considered so much about circling back to writing horror. 01:00:53.039 --> 01:01:00.559 I really have, but I think for me it's this, it's actually a lot harder than people think it is. 01:01:00.880 --> 01:01:01.840 Am I right? 01:01:02.239 --> 01:01:08.880 Well, it is to to not be cheesy, to keep it from falling into like tropes and and you know what I mean, and genre. 01:01:09.039 --> 01:01:15.280 And I mean, because most of I like to watch horror movies, but a lot of the books I read are not horror. 01:01:15.360 --> 01:01:23.039 I don't like I actually read more literary works, which are actually more disturbing and scary than some of the horror, you know what I mean? 01:01:23.280 --> 01:01:26.000 Oh, definitely, definitely, yeah, 100%. 01:01:26.719 --> 01:01:30.960 I don't really like I like to watch a werewolf movie, but I don't really like reading werewolf books, honestly. 01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:31.519 I don't know why. 01:01:31.599 --> 01:01:45.679 I just sometimes are really well done, you know, like Stephen Graham Jones or somebody, but yeah, because with werewolves, if you if you put it in literature, you need to make sure that the werewolf really comes alive. 01:01:45.840 --> 01:02:01.360 Like you have to be very detailed about it and get into like the actual graphic element when if you want to like clasp on to that person and really just let them understand a werewolf is a werewolf and stuff like that. 01:02:01.519 --> 01:02:03.360 And not be silly, yeah. 01:02:03.679 --> 01:02:06.400 I think the silly aspect is the hardest thing, you know what I mean? 01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:19.119 One thing that I think actually can ruin uh horror movies or just like action in general, is when they dramatize the violence and the killings too much. 01:02:19.280 --> 01:02:20.719 I don't always love that. 01:02:20.880 --> 01:02:21.360 Yeah. 01:02:21.599 --> 01:02:22.400 Do you feel it's good? 01:02:24.719 --> 01:02:25.440 Do you okay? 01:02:25.679 --> 01:02:26.320 I just enjoy it. 01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:28.880 Like I was just saying, Terrifier 3, that's all it is. 01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:33.039 There's it's it's just non-stop, like this stupid clown killing people. 01:02:33.199 --> 01:02:33.760 You know what I mean? 01:02:33.920 --> 01:02:39.920 And there's like they try to put in some kind of story that is like, but it and some people who are big fans will be like, well, there's a story there. 01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:41.360 There's not, it's ridiculous. 01:02:41.760 --> 01:02:44.880 There is technically a story, but it's just stupid. 01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:46.719 I mean, it's just non-stop violence. 01:02:46.800 --> 01:02:52.159 But I mean, if you're you know, it's just like it's non-think, it's like guilty pleasures, like I was just talking about. 01:02:52.239 --> 01:02:52.639 You know what I mean? 01:02:52.719 --> 01:02:55.599 You're just like, I'm just gonna watch this clown kill people. 01:02:55.679 --> 01:02:56.719 I don't I don't want to think. 01:02:56.960 --> 01:03:03.119 I mean, like you think you see a movie like natural born killers and stuff like that, and that's just a slaughterfest. 01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:04.159 Is it amazing? 01:03:04.400 --> 01:03:06.480 But they were trying to be artistic, you know what I mean? 01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:15.840 Like I I like and then other violent films, uh Wild at Heart, you know, um, you know, a lot of David Lynch stuff that oh David Lynch is brilliant. 01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:23.840 He he really I I think the guy has a really fucked up mind, but a brilliant uh perspective on filmmaking. 01:03:24.079 --> 01:03:24.719 Yeah. 01:03:25.440 --> 01:03:27.199 Yeah, cuz because you do need that. 01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:32.079 You do need to have a bit of a sick mind in order to create this level of brilliance and stuff. 01:03:32.159 --> 01:03:50.639 But I I was

watching a uh uh in an interview about the behind-the-scenes making of the movie uh Sicario, De of the Soldado, and stuff like that, and uh it was uh I the videographer, um, because if you have not seen it, you need to watch it. 01:03:50.719 --> 01:03:59.519 The videography and cinematic angles they put into it were brilliant, but he said something uh about it. 01:03:59.679 --> 01:04:01.280 He said, Violence is violence. 01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:03.519 I don't want to dramatize it too much. 01:04:03.679 --> 01:04:06.639 It's just like if somebody's gonna get shot, straight up shoot them. 01:04:06.800 --> 01:04:07.119 Yeah. 01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:09.280 I mean, if someone's dying, it is a dramatic thing. 01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:09.920 I don't know. 01:04:10.079 --> 01:04:11.679 You know, I can see both perspectives. 01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:14.880 I personally just like I think it's like salt and pepper egg, you know what I mean? 01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:16.239 You can overdo it, it can be stupid. 01:04:16.480 --> 01:04:20.800 Same with sex, but it's something that just like, you know what I mean, it gets your blood flowing, gets your heart pumping. 01:04:21.039 --> 01:04:22.880 No, sex needs to be pulled out, man. 01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:23.679 It has to. 01:04:23.840 --> 01:04:28.159 I mean, you and I both know how Game of Thrones is and stuff like that. 01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:30.639 It has to be pulled out. 01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:32.639 It's it's it's kind of a must. 01:04:32.719 --> 01:04:35.199 If not, it's not pleasurable. 01:04:39.599 --> 01:04:41.920 Senseless sex and violence, I don't know. 01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:44.239 It's not very it's it is what it is. 01:04:44.480 --> 01:04:47.920 It can definitely add flavor to like anything, you know what I mean? 01:04:48.320 --> 01:04:50.159 Yes, it makes it nice and spicy. 01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:51.039 Yeah. 01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:54.239 Yes, yeah. 01:04:54.480 --> 01:05:08.159 And to all of you folks out there who are willing to spice things up, who have open ears, who want to be pleasured, and all you media junkies out there, anyone who's listening in who wants to start their own podcast, you can do so using Riverside. 01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:22.079 And of course, if you want to support this podcast and have a chance to be a guest in the show, you can follow me on Instagram at ATK Media, or you can check me out on YouTube if you don't have uh access to Spotify or Apple Podcasts. 01:05:22.159 --> 01:05:23.360 You can check me out on YouTube. 01:05:23.599 --> 01:05:26.320 My channel is at chatterbox9.4. 01:05:26.480 --> 01:05:30.239 Don't forget to like and subscribe and leave your thoughts in the comments section below. 01:05:30.320 --> 01:05:38.480 You can DM me via social media, and don't forget to tune in and listen on Spotify and Apple Podcasts, or well, wherever the fuck it is you get your podcast from. 01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:39.760 Cheers, thanks. 01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:43.360 Yes, yeah, and it was definitely great having you on the show. 01:05:43.599 --> 01:05:44.800 Yeah, it was a lot of fun. 01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:46.800 Yes, check out Murder Coaster. 01:05:47.199 --> 01:05:49.519 Yes, and all the places he just said. 01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:56.159 Yes, check out MurderCoaster Podcast and every single movie television series that we have mentioned on this podcast. 01:05:56.320 --> 01:05:59.360 It will make you shit in your pants, it'll make you scream. 01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:04.480 They'll even make your eyes bleed, which is something they tend to do a lot in certain horror films. 01:06:04.639 --> 01:06:07.039 So until next time, I'm Al Tasir. 01:06:07.440 --> 01:06:08.960 Stay high on life.