Full Transcript for Trinity Rodman: The Truth about My Family

I got there and they were like, oh, we're going 42 00:01:48.829 --> 00:01:51.010 to have you cover all the sports. And I was like, 43 00:01:51.209 --> 00:01:53.819 please let me just cover soccer with a little bit 44 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:56.000 of gymnastics because I know soccer. 45 00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:56.280 Yeah. 46 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:58.439 And they were like, maybe, maybe. And then they saw 47 00:01:58.480 --> 00:01:59.519 me talk about soccer and they're like. 48 00:01:59.620 --> 00:02:01.879 OK, Jesus Christ, you have to stay. 49 00:02:02.459 --> 00:02:04.579 You have to stay. And when you guys won gold, 50 00:02:04.829 --> 00:02:05.310 I cried. 51 00:02:05.950 --> 00:02:06.189 Same. 52 00:02:06.829 --> 00:02:07.750 OK. 53 00:02:08.330 --> 00:02:08.750 Oh, fuck. 54 00:02:09.289 --> 00:02:09.909 Obviously. 55 00:02:09.930 --> 00:02:12.449 Can you we're going to start with some easy ones. 56 00:02:12.590 --> 00:02:12.909 OK. 57 00:02:13.189 --> 00:02:14.550 How did you celebrate winning gold? 58 00:02:15.530 --> 00:02:19.610 Oh, my gosh. I cried. I collapsed and cried. But 59 00:02:19.629 --> 00:02:21.909 I don't know. I feel like there's no true celebration 60 00:02:22.050 --> 00:02:24.370 afterwards because, hey, you got to go back to your 61 00:02:24.409 --> 00:02:28.939 season in NWSL. So we celebrated the night of, partied 62 00:02:28.969 --> 00:02:31.379 with our coaches and our staff and everything. That was fun. 63 00:02:32.280 --> 00:02:35.060 And I didn't take the medal off. Even the flight home, 64 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:36.699 it was glued to my neck. 65 00:02:37.099 --> 00:02:38.259 When did you first take it off? 66 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:40.539 Probably when I went to sleep when I got home 67 00:02:40.580 --> 00:02:42.389 because I was like, hey, that's a lot. But even 68 00:02:42.430 --> 00:02:44.310 through security, I was trying to wear it. And they 69 00:02:44.330 --> 00:02:47.240 were like, no. I was like... I'm like staring at 70 00:02:47.259 --> 00:02:47.900 it through the thing. 71 00:02:48.860 --> 00:02:51.000 Wait, where did you put it when you went to bed? 72 00:02:51.020 --> 00:02:54.090 I have this little case that I got when we 73 00:02:54.150 --> 00:02:56.830 won in 2021 for my ring, but it's like big. 74 00:02:57.270 --> 00:02:59.349 And so I just put it in there. Hopefully it's 75 00:02:59.370 --> 00:03:01.330 still there. I haven't checked on it in a minute. Wait, what? 76 00:03:02.030 --> 00:03:03.870 I should probably check to see if she's okay. 77 00:03:04.409 --> 00:03:08.289 Casual, just gold medal sitting somewhere random. What is your 78 00:03:08.349 --> 00:03:10.740 pregame ritual? Do you have any superstitions? 79 00:03:11.250 --> 00:03:14.710 I feel like I have so many little superstitions. So gum. 80 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:15.960 Gum. 81 00:03:16.439 --> 00:03:20.379 Is one i can't live without gum really for soccer 82 00:03:20.639 --> 00:03:22.560 so like i'll go through probably three or

four pieces 83 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:24.860 of gum a game and if i am going on 84 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:26.879 the field and i don't have gum in my mouth 85 00:03:26.919 --> 00:03:29.719 like i'll throw a tantrum like i'm a diva like 86 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:32.539 i need gum that's the one thing screw water i 87 00:03:33.210 --> 00:03:38.490 need gum we what kind of gum um anything peppermint 88 00:03:38.789 --> 00:03:43.180 spearmint i it can die no yeah What else? I 89 00:03:43.219 --> 00:03:44.680 have to sit in the same spot on the bus 90 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:46.800 on the way to the game every single time. I 91 00:03:47.460 --> 00:03:49.460 have to stand in the same spot for warm-up behind 92 00:03:49.479 --> 00:03:54.060 my girl, Tara. There's so many things. At home games, 93 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:55.750 I have to make a peanut butter and jelly sandwich 94 00:03:55.759 --> 00:04:00.189 in the locker room. Red Bull is essential for energy 95 00:04:00.710 --> 00:04:04.270 and psychotic behavior in the locker room. So many things. 96 00:04:05.090 --> 00:04:06.409 The locker room before games is. 97 00:04:08.039 --> 00:04:11.699 And there are some people that are so chill and quiet. 98 00:04:11.740 --> 00:04:13.219 And then there are the people that are rowdy. Are 99 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:13.780 you rowdy? 100 00:04:13.800 --> 00:04:14.939 Do you want to answer that? 101 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:17.180 No. 102 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:20.740 Yeah, I'm the person that the chill ones hate. Because 103 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:22.480 we have the people in our locker room that have 104 00:04:22.500 --> 00:04:25.000 their headphones on. They're stretching. They're down. They're not talking 105 00:04:25.019 --> 00:04:29.100 to anybody. And I'm bouncing like a crazy person around 106 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:31.230 the locker room. I'm like trying to take their headphones off. 107 00:04:31.250 --> 00:04:34.170 I'm like, come on, come on. So, yeah, I'm the 108 00:04:34.209 --> 00:04:35.050 annoying person. 109 00:04:35.310 --> 00:04:35.449 And. 110 00:04:36.180 --> 00:04:38.420 I just can't help it. I can't be chill for 111 00:04:38.449 --> 00:04:40.920 a game because like I said earlier, it just psychs 112 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:42.540 me out more and I get nervous. And I'm like, 113 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:45.399 if I'm just on 10 the entire time, you can't 114 00:04:45.639 --> 00:04:45.980 be scared. 115 00:04:46.139 --> 00:04:47.959 No, I was the same way. Like I would be 116 00:04:48.019 --> 00:04:50.399 the person just like talking and I wouldn't shut the 117 00:04:50.459 --> 00:04:52.199 fuck up. And everyone would be like, Cooper, go sit 118 00:04:52.220 --> 00:04:54.060 in your fucking locker room. And I'm like, I don't 119 00:04:54.079 --> 00:04:56.579 want to sit in my locker. And what? Like think 120 00:04:56.620 --> 00:04:58.600 about what's about to happen. I'd rather not. 121 00:04:58.620 --> 00:04:59.279 Manifest? 122 00:04:59.300 --> 00:05:03.089 Absolutely not. No, never. So I pretend I'm like about 123 00:05:03.110 --> 00:05:04.930 to like go out for a fun night. Like I'm 124 00:05:04.990 --> 00:05:07.410 not thinking straight. Cause then the people that are meditating, 125 00:05:07.430 --> 00:05:09.649 you're like, my God, you have like a really strong 126 00:05:09.709 --> 00:05:10.790 brain and I don't want to be a. 127 00:05:10.769 --> 00:05:14.089 Part of that. Couldn't relate. Like, what are we meditating about? 128 00:05:14.290 --> 00:05:16.920 What are we thinking? What's on the brain? 129 00:05:17.579 --> 00:05:22.779 Obviously, especially during the Olympics, like the entire world was 130 00:05:22.819 --> 00:05:25.660 talking about you. Everyone knows your name. And I think 131 00:05:25.779 --> 00:05:28.620 aside from your talent, um, I think a lot of 132 00:05:28.699 --> 00:05:32.060 people in media, press, on social media, a lot of 133 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:34.160 people wanted to hear you talk about and wanted to 134 00:05:34.300 --> 00:05:39.110 ask you about your dad. For those of the Daddy 135 00:05:39.129 --> 00:05:41.670 Gang that don't know in my audience, your father. 136 00:05:41.689 --> 00:05:42.550 What's a dad? 137 00:05:42.569 --> 00:05:42.709 Yeah. 138 00:05:42.870 --> 00:05:44.009 Daddy Gang, let me know. 139 00:05:45.689 --> 00:05:47.050 What's a dad? 140 00:05:47.089 --> 00:05:48.029 Cut that, cut that. 141 00:05:48.069 --> 00:05:50.360 What's a dad? Yeah, let's just kick it right off. 142 00:05:50.389 --> 00:05:53.560 You're like, what is a father? Let me know. Your 143 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:56.579 dad is Dennis Rodman. He's one of the most famous 144 00:05:56.639 --> 00:05:59.959 basketball players of all time. He played alongside Michael Jordan. 145 00:06:00.360 --> 00:06:03.689 He had a very controversial career. He was known for 146 00:06:03.769 --> 00:06:07.490 crazy partying, hooking up with women, getting in trouble on 147 00:06:07.529 --> 00:06:11.490 and off the court. And you have never really talked 148 00:06:11.670 --> 00:06:15.569 about what was going on in your family behind the scenes. 149 00:06:16.149 --> 00:06:19.889 And today we're going to get into it. What made 150 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:20.540 you feel ready? 151 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:23.600 Oh, gosh. 152 00:06:24.399 --> 00:06:24.819 I think. 153 00:06:25.589 --> 00:06:27.379 Well, just a warning. I laugh a lot when I'm 154 00:06:27.439 --> 00:06:32.360 trying to like something serious. OK, so I think with 155 00:06:32.420 --> 00:06:35.660 the dad situation in terms of like what I've filtered 156 00:06:35.699 --> 00:06:39.470 and what I've talked about. I feel like me and 157 00:06:39.529 --> 00:06:42.670 my brother have been very generous with the way that 158 00:06:42.709 --> 00:06:46.189 we've talked about it and very unselfish. I think we 159 00:06:46.629 --> 00:06:50.389 never want to make him look bad. And that is 160 00:06:50.449 --> 00:06:52.970 at the cost of

kind of holding in a lot 161 00:06:53.350 --> 00:06:55.290 and a lot of issues that we've gone through and 162 00:06:55.310 --> 00:06:58.439 just like trauma per se. Yeah. So I don't know. 163 00:06:58.449 --> 00:07:00.720 I just feel like I've been in a place of 164 00:07:01.259 --> 00:07:03.600 going through interviews where people are like, oh, is your 165 00:07:03.620 --> 00:07:05.639 dad there? Like, what's your dad feeling? And I feel 166 00:07:05.660 --> 00:07:08.319 like I've tried to make it obvious that I don't know. 167 00:07:08.339 --> 00:07:10.899 I don't know how he's feeling. I don't know where 168 00:07:10.939 --> 00:07:16.660 he is. Like, so for my own sanity, getting those questions, 169 00:07:17.819 --> 00:07:20.449 it frustrates me because I'm like, I don't want to 170 00:07:20.509 --> 00:07:23.310 blame the interviewers of like, OK, you don't deep dive 171 00:07:23.329 --> 00:07:25.290 into my life. But at the same time, I've made 172 00:07:25.329 --> 00:07:26.589 it clear that he's not present. 173 00:07:27.069 --> 00:07:27.350 Yeah. 174 00:07:27.629 --> 00:07:30.269 So, yeah, I guess this is my opportunity to kind 175 00:07:30.310 --> 00:07:33.660 of talk more. I don't want to say negatively, but 176 00:07:33.699 --> 00:07:34.680 more realistic about it. 177 00:07:34.819 --> 00:07:36.459 Yeah, but I can imagine like I feel like I've 178 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:39.160 sat down with so many people and it's like it's 179 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:43.699 tough when you're trying to protect someone. that yes, whether 180 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:45.819 you love or you don't or whatever your dynamic is, 181 00:07:45.899 --> 00:07:49.850 like it's your dad and everyone has a very specific 182 00:07:50.370 --> 00:07:54.470 idea of your father, but none of us are his children, right? 183 00:07:54.509 --> 00:07:55.970 Like we have an idea of what we saw on 184 00:07:56.009 --> 00:07:58.529 a Netflix special and what we watched back in the 185 00:07:58.569 --> 00:08:01.279 day if you're watching his games, but you have a lived, 186 00:08:01.339 --> 00:08:04.079 breathed experience of this man as your father that people 187 00:08:04.139 --> 00:08:06.319 are looking, I think, in a glamorized way for you 188 00:08:06.360 --> 00:08:08.920 to talk like, what's it like? Dennis Rodman's your dad. 189 00:08:08.959 --> 00:08:09.759 This is so cool. 190 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:12.819 And you're literally like, um, next question. So I think 191 00:08:12.870 --> 00:08:16.149 it's fair for you to talk about your life in 192 00:08:16.189 --> 00:08:18.750 a realistic way because you are also a public figure 193 00:08:18.970 --> 00:08:21.870 and you are famous in your own right now. And 194 00:08:21.949 --> 00:08:25.050 so you're allowed to speak about your experience. Let's go 195 00:08:25.110 --> 00:08:26.250 back to the beginning. 196 00:08:43.299 --> 00:08:48.889 It's here Heineken Greenlight October Bank Holiday Weekend Galway Big 197 00:08:49.009 -->

00:08:54.490 Acts Intimate Venues Friday October 23rd Catch Joshua E. Dayhen 198 00:08:54.690 --> 00:08:59.509 at Monrose Saturday October 24th Catch High at Electric Sunday 199 00:08:59.590 --> 00:09:03.149 October 25th Catch Get Down Services at the Roshin Dove 200 00:09:03.490 --> 00:09:07.429 Sunday October 25th Catch Shugaboo and Ahmed with Love at 201 00:09:07.500 --> 00:09:11.860 Ompucon Tickets at heinekengreenlight.ie Get the facts be drink aware 202 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:12.960 visit drinkaware.ie. 203 00:09:15.889 --> 00:09:17.750 We're going to go back to the beginning. Where did 204 00:09:17.789 --> 00:09:19.529 you grow up and what was your hometown like? 205 00:09:20.100 --> 00:09:24.100 Okay. Well, I grew up in Newport Beach, which as 206 00:09:24.340 --> 00:09:28.620 everyone kind of knows, it's a very wealthy area. And 207 00:09:29.559 --> 00:09:32.720 I loved growing up in Newport. It was amazing, beautiful place. 208 00:09:32.940 --> 00:09:35.289 But growing up in a wealthy place when you don't 209 00:09:35.330 --> 00:09:41.169 have money is a different struggle. And I think that 210 00:09:41.210 --> 00:09:43.590 was really difficult for me, my mom and my brother, 211 00:09:44.690 --> 00:09:48.360 just because I we were going to the schools where 212 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:51.009 everyone had money and it was like, we're going to school. 213 00:09:51.549 --> 00:09:53.590 Like in high school, I was sharing a room with 214 00:09:53.629 --> 00:09:57.710 my mom, which is like crazy. So it's like just 215 00:09:57.750 --> 00:10:01.490 the little things of being a normal, high school or 216 00:10:01.509 --> 00:10:03.330 a middle schooler where you're like, you want to invite 217 00:10:03.370 --> 00:10:06.269 friends over. And it's like, not that I'm embarrassed of 218 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:07.620 the way that I grew up, but at the time 219 00:10:07.649 --> 00:10:09.039 it was like, I don't want to invite friends over. 220 00:10:09.059 --> 00:10:10.720 I don't want them to know I sleep with my mom. 221 00:10:11.379 --> 00:10:14.600 Like just like little stuff like that. So growing up 222 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:20.190 in Newport was good, but hard because I'm like, like 223 00:10:20.470 --> 00:10:22.610 keeping up with the Joneses. I feel like that was 224 00:10:22.669 --> 00:10:25.110 kind of a struggle of like, people knew that we 225 00:10:25.149 --> 00:10:27.230 didn't have money, but it was more so like, how 226 00:10:27.269 --> 00:10:32.070 do we look not completely broke during that time? So yeah, 227 00:10:32.110 --> 00:10:35.269 with like soccer and everything, we got help a lot 228 00:10:35.309 --> 00:10:37.580 from one of my club coaches, Greg Baker. He kind 229 00:10:38.269 --> 00:10:41.559 of set me up and helped me. Thank God I 230 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:44.639 was talented or else I don't know where I would be, 231 00:10:44.720 --> 00:10:47.779 but he helped me and he gave me those opportunities 232 00:10:47.860 --> 00:10:51.129 that I wouldn't have had because I couldn't pay for 233 00:10:51.210 --> 00:10:55.980 certain things so a lot of things we worked for 234 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:59.019 but also in a way were handed just because we 235 00:10:59.059 --> 00:11:02.600 were talented so that did help but yeah especially with 236 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:04.679 sports it was very difficult to like travel and go 237 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:06.539 to hotels and do these away trips when we didn't 238 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:09.679 have the money to stay at these like Marriott's like 239 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:11.570 we were at like Holiday Inn like that's what we 240 00:11:11.590 --> 00:11:14.289 could afford so it was just hard because I would 241 00:11:14.409 --> 00:11:16.909 then find teammates it's okay if like I come and 242 00:11:16.929 --> 00:11:21.190 then my mom couldn't come sometimes and it was just interesting. 243 00:11:21.230 --> 00:11:23.210 Like we were trying, like we did the best at 244 00:11:23.250 --> 00:11:26.389 being humble and being grateful for everything. But at the 245 00:11:26.429 --> 00:11:27.820 same time, it was really hard. 246 00:11:27.980 --> 00:11:28.200 Yeah. 247 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:30.279 Even just like after school, like at a cookie truck, 248 00:11:30.299 --> 00:11:31.840 I'd be like, mom, can I have a dollar for 249 00:11:31.860 --> 00:11:34.200 this cookie? Like one time. And I know that sounds horrible, 250 00:11:34.799 --> 00:11:39.139 but that has made me, I feel like more humble now. 251 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:39.659 Yeah. 252 00:11:39.899 --> 00:11:42.840 Experiencing that being in a wealthy area and not having it, 253 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:45.620 we made it through and we're great people and like 254 00:11:46.059 --> 00:11:47.330 it worked out so. 255 00:11:47.350 --> 00:11:49.929 Going back though like okay you talking about growing up 256 00:11:49.990 --> 00:11:53.309 in Newport and I agree I feel like people that 257 00:11:53.409 --> 00:11:56.169 aren't obviously from California but I feel like you hear 258 00:11:56.210 --> 00:11:58.029 about it or even you like watch the show the 259 00:11:58.090 --> 00:12:01.519 OC and Orange County and Newport like there's such extreme 260 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:06.059 wealth how do you think you growing up and not 261 00:12:06.139 --> 00:12:09.899 having money impacted you like as a kid in your 262 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:13.169 personality like were you shy were you reserved were you 263 00:12:13.210 --> 00:12:15.529 loud like What kind of kid were you? 264 00:12:15.549 --> 00:12:20.750 Yeah, I think naturally I've always been a more outgoing person, 265 00:12:20.789 --> 00:12:24.049 especially when you get to know me. But I definitely 266 00:12:24.169 --> 00:12:31.759 think not having money to do certain things changed the 267 00:12:31.799 --> 00:12:34.139 way that I was with people because I wasn't as confident. 268 00:12:34.659 --> 00:12:36.460 And I also couldn't go to

things that people were 269 00:12:36.500 --> 00:12:37.919 going to. It was like, oh, do you want to 270 00:12:37.970 --> 00:12:40.330 go Even just going to like fast food and chilling 271 00:12:40.350 --> 00:12:41.789 in the parking lot. I was like, no, I don't 272 00:12:41.850 --> 00:12:43.970 have money to go to In-N-Out right now or to 273 00:12:44.009 --> 00:12:47.309 go to Krispy Kreme. And it was embarrassing to be like, hey, 274 00:12:48.169 --> 00:12:52.909 I don't have money. So I think, yeah, through even now, 275 00:12:52.950 --> 00:12:55.990 like I have a really close friend from middle school 276 00:12:56.009 --> 00:12:57.580 that I'm still friends with. And that's like probably my 277 00:12:57.769 --> 00:12:59.679 one friend from middle school and then my friend from 278 00:12:59.740 --> 00:13:03.000 high school. So that's like my two friends. And those 279 00:13:03.019 --> 00:13:05.460 are the only people I hung out with. And even 280 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:07.899 through high school, I went to a private school for 281 00:13:08.039 --> 00:13:12.769 one year. I was like eating lunch in the bathroom 282 00:13:12.809 --> 00:13:15.159 sometimes because me and my brother didn't have the same 283 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:18.340 lunch and he was like my person. So like growing up, 284 00:13:18.460 --> 00:13:20.860 I would have all his same teachers. Like I was 285 00:13:20.899 --> 00:13:22.360 a year after him. So I would just follow in 286 00:13:22.379 --> 00:13:24.759 his footsteps every single time, which was annoying because he 287 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:26.759 was really good at school and I was horrible. So 288 00:13:26.779 --> 00:13:28.450 it was like, they loved DJ and like hated me, 289 00:13:28.950 --> 00:13:31.389 but yeah, it was, we didn't have the same lunch. 290 00:13:31.429 --> 00:13:33.830 So I was like, didn't have friends to sit with. 291 00:13:33.889 --> 00:13:36.210 So I like lunch would happen. I didn't have money 292 00:13:36.250 --> 00:13:38.830 to pay for it at school. So then it was like, 293 00:13:40.009 --> 00:13:42.090 the bell rings and it's like, fuck, what do I do? 294 00:13:42.250 --> 00:13:44.490 Where do I go? Like, do I go to a 295 00:13:44.509 --> 00:13:47.570 teacher's room? Do I just like stay in the cafeteria 296 00:13:47.590 --> 00:13:49.250 and act like I'm just like talking to people that 297 00:13:49.269 --> 00:13:51.769 I'm not even friends with? Like it was so bizarre. 298 00:13:51.940 --> 00:13:53.860 But do you think you weren't making friends because you 299 00:13:53.879 --> 00:13:56.200 were just trying to like hide? Like it's not, or 300 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:58.940 were people literally not liking you because they knew of 301 00:13:58.960 --> 00:14:00.320 your socioeconomic status? 302 00:14:01.379 --> 00:14:01.600 Both. 303 00:14:01.659 --> 00:14:04.639 Cause I feel like it went both ways. It was weird. 304 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:07.799 Cause for my brother and I feel like in the 305 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:09.490 earlier years it was harder for him to have friends, 306 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:11.970 but as it went on, it was so easy. Like 307 00:14:12.009 --> 00:14:14.049 when we went to high school together, he had so 308 00:14:14.090 --> 00:14:16.970 many friends and like, that's who I was going to. Um, 309 00:14:17.350 --> 00:14:20.269 and then for me it was completely different. So it's 310 00:14:20.330 --> 00:14:22.950 just weird. And we know like girls are very catty 311 00:14:23.610 --> 00:14:26.500 and like clicky. And I felt like I'd come late. 312 00:14:26.539 --> 00:14:28.840 Like everyone had started freshman year. I got their sophomore year. 313 00:14:28.899 --> 00:14:32.399 So I had some soccer friends, but the vibes were 314 00:14:32.419 --> 00:14:34.620 just different. Like we were friends for soccer, but then 315 00:14:34.659 --> 00:14:37.580 in school it was like, okay, Not the same thing. 316 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:37.919 Yeah. 317 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:39.940 So I don't know if it was just like people 318 00:14:39.980 --> 00:14:42.559 already had their clicks and I was just like too 319 00:14:42.620 --> 00:14:45.039 shy to be like desperate and like try to push 320 00:14:45.080 --> 00:14:47.259 my way into certain groups. And I'm just not that person. 321 00:14:47.309 --> 00:14:49.950 Like if I'm feeling you're not feeling me, then I'd 322 00:14:50.009 --> 00:14:53.110 rather sit in the bathroom. 323 00:14:53.149 --> 00:14:53.309 Yeah. 324 00:14:53.350 --> 00:14:56.690 So I think it's a mixture, which was unfortunate. But 325 00:14:56.730 --> 00:14:59.100 now looking back, it's like funny. Because all those people 326 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:01.950 are texting me now and it's like, hmm, interesting. 327 00:15:02.110 --> 00:15:05.730 Uh-huh. Go fuck yourself. Yeah. How old were you when 328 00:15:05.769 --> 00:15:06.850 your parents got divorced? 329 00:15:07.389 --> 00:15:10.509 Oh, gosh. Google help. 330 00:15:10.830 --> 00:15:12.629 I think you were like two. 331 00:15:12.970 --> 00:15:15.850 I feel like I was dealing with it even when 332 00:15:15.870 --> 00:15:18.570 I was like old enough to remember it. But I 333 00:15:18.570 --> 00:15:18.870 don't know. 334 00:15:19.070 --> 00:15:20.049 It dragged on for many years. 335 00:15:20.070 --> 00:15:21.000 You probably know more than me. 336 00:15:21.009 --> 00:15:24.379 Do you remember like how did you see that affect 337 00:15:24.389 --> 00:15:26.659 your mom of like this divorce dragging on for so 338 00:15:26.700 --> 00:15:27.200 many years? 339 00:15:27.690 --> 00:15:31.029 I mean, obviously I cannot speak for her experiences because she, 340 00:15:31.090 --> 00:15:32.429 I feel like she didn't even really have time to 341 00:15:32.509 --> 00:15:34.070 think about it just because she had to deal with 342 00:15:34.110 --> 00:15:37.029 me and my brother and my sister. All right, girl. 343 00:15:37.509 --> 00:15:41.669 But anyway, um, I think my mom was

dealing with 344 00:15:41.750 --> 00:15:45.450 a lot of shit from my dad for so long 345 00:15:45.610 --> 00:15:50.110 and divorce was just like a name that, that, that 346 00:15:50.190 --> 00:15:52.409 ship had sailed for the longest time. And she knew 347 00:15:52.450 --> 00:15:55.860 that we knew that. And it really was like before 348 00:15:55.889 --> 00:15:59.500 the divorce happened, my dad was actually helping money wise. 349 00:15:59.559 --> 00:16:01.759 So that was the difference of like, he would actually 350 00:16:01.779 --> 00:16:03.159 give money to my mom and let us kind of 351 00:16:03.490 --> 00:16:06.389 live life a little bit. But then as when the 352 00:16:06.429 --> 00:16:09.490 divorce happened, it was just like, fuck you guys. Like 353 00:16:09.809 --> 00:16:12.549 we're not getting enough money to, we're getting enough money 354 00:16:12.570 --> 00:16:15.470 to pay rent barely. And then we were just, I 355 00:16:15.490 --> 00:16:18.529 don't even know how we made it work, but somehow 356 00:16:19.649 --> 00:16:22.950 we were making it happen. And It was just crazy. 357 00:16:23.190 --> 00:16:25.690 When you say that your mom would, you kind of 358 00:16:25.750 --> 00:16:27.909 knew that like that ship had sailed, like your mom 359 00:16:27.950 --> 00:16:30.750 had been dealing with so much. Like how did your 360 00:16:30.769 --> 00:16:34.549 mom talk about your dad and his absence to you 361 00:16:34.590 --> 00:16:35.309 and your siblings? 362 00:16:35.870 --> 00:16:38.500 My mom was really good at making every situation seem 363 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:41.169 smoother than it actually was. And I think that's what 364 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:44.700 parents do to protect their children. But yeah, I think 365 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:49.960 even being young, it was like he partied all the time. 366 00:16:50.039 --> 00:16:53.179 He has this beach house in Newport or Huntington or whatever, wherever. 367 00:16:53.590 --> 00:16:54.990 And it was like, we tried to live with him, 368 00:16:55.149 --> 00:16:58.509 but he's having parties 24 seven. He's bringing random bitches in. 369 00:16:58.570 --> 00:17:01.850 Like my mom didn't want, she was strong enough to 370 00:17:01.889 --> 00:17:04.910 deal with it because even to this day, I still 371 00:17:04.930 --> 00:17:09.259 believe that my dad hasn't loved anyone after my mom. 372 00:17:09.400 --> 00:17:11.640 Like I genuinely believe that. I think he doesn't know 373 00:17:11.700 --> 00:17:14.660 how to, I think they both felt the same way 374 00:17:14.680 --> 00:17:18.170 about each other, but it just, his demons were just 375 00:17:18.369 --> 00:17:21.470 too strong for it. But yeah, I think my mom 376 00:17:21.490 --> 00:17:24.529 just saw the situation of we love each other. It's 377 00:17:24.589 --> 00:17:26.309 not going to work. And for my kids, I can't 378 00:17:26.349 --> 00:17:30.430 have them seeing you treat me this way, embarrass me 379 00:17:30.450 --> 00:17:32.650 this

way and have the party scene all the time. 380 00:17:32.769 --> 00:17:34.589 You have little babies. 381 00:17:35.029 --> 00:17:35.329 Yeah. 382 00:17:35.609 --> 00:17:37.230 So yeah. 383 00:17:37.369 --> 00:17:43.269 Do you have any recollection of like watching them fight 384 00:17:43.430 --> 00:17:44.930 in front of each other, like in front of you? 385 00:17:44.950 --> 00:17:51.900 Um, I don't really remember so much younger and I 386 00:17:52.009 --> 00:17:55.579 feel like me and my brother were very oblivious to it. 387 00:17:57.329 --> 00:17:59.670 But then once we got older, when he was in 388 00:17:59.730 --> 00:18:02.170 our lives less and we were seeing him once, two, three, 389 00:18:02.269 --> 00:18:04.549 four times a year, every time they were together, it 390 00:18:04.589 --> 00:18:07.690 was like, it was the same shit. It was my 391 00:18:07.750 --> 00:18:10.619 mom being valid and what the fuck are you doing? 392 00:18:11.259 --> 00:18:13.960 Like help us and help your children. And he was 393 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:17.299 just like, oh, you just use me for my money, mama. 394 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:21.019 And even then it was like, That was all the 395 00:18:21.079 --> 00:18:22.420 fight was ever about in front of us, at least. 396 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:24.200 It was just the money part and helping your children. 397 00:18:25.220 --> 00:18:29.309 And even then, it was my dad. He likes to 398 00:18:29.349 --> 00:18:32.750 be in control. So he would take us shopping, get 399 00:18:32.789 --> 00:18:34.789 us phones, do this, do that. Oh, I'm going to 400 00:18:34.809 --> 00:18:36.109 take you and your brother shopping. And me and my 401 00:18:36.130 --> 00:18:39.049 brother are like, we don't want to go shopping. We 402 00:18:39.069 --> 00:18:41.410 don't want to go shopping. We just want money to 403 00:18:41.450 --> 00:18:43.380 go get in and out after school with our friends. 404 00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:45.500 So it was like he wouldn't give us money to 405 00:18:45.579 --> 00:18:48.240 do that. He needed to have the control of bringing 406 00:18:48.279 --> 00:18:51.099 us shopping and swiping his own card. But if we asked, hey, 407 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:53.700 could we have a hundred to like, go get food, go, 408 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:55.759 go to Claire's, get my ears pierced. Like just little 409 00:18:55.779 --> 00:18:57.819 stuff like that. He was like, no, you're using me. 410 00:18:58.000 --> 00:18:59.089 You're trying like all this stuff. 411 00:18:59.829 --> 00:19:02.869 I think that's, what's probably so confusing. Even hearing you 412 00:19:02.910 --> 00:19:04.670 talk about this. Like, I think a lot of people 413 00:19:04.769 --> 00:19:08.750 would assume because you're Dennis Rodman's daughter, money wasn't an 414 00:19:08.789 --> 00:19:11.539 issue for you growing up, but that obviously wasn't the case. 415 00:19:11.819 --> 00:19:15.359 Do you know why after the divorce, like he would 416 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:16.799 not pay child support? 417 00:19:17.279 --> 00:19:18.960 I think that it was kind of like, that's not 418 00:19:18.980 --> 00:19:24.309 my problem anymore. And I don't even know to try 419 00:19:24.329 --> 00:19:28.900 to justify his brain is so hard because even now 420 00:19:29.160 --> 00:19:31.480 I genuinely believe he's still in love with my mom 421 00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:34.299 because he'll call me randomly and be like, how's your 422 00:19:34.319 --> 00:19:36.720 mom doing? Like even before you ask how I'm doing. 423 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:41.240 So whenever we would see each other, he was always 424 00:19:41.289 --> 00:19:43.750 just like almost trying to get my mom to fall 425 00:19:43.769 --> 00:19:45.309 in love with him again so that it could be 426 00:19:45.349 --> 00:19:49.349 a family thing, even if it was toxic. But I 427 00:19:49.430 --> 00:19:52.880 think one, it was a divorce it was like alright 428 00:19:52.980 --> 00:19:53.740 like you. 429 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:56.000 This is on you like yeah I know you said 430 00:19:56.039 --> 00:19:59.240 like you were sleeping in a bed with your mom 431 00:19:59.559 --> 00:20:03.710 like what was one of the worst circumstances living wise 432 00:20:03.750 --> 00:20:05.910 that you and your siblings had to go through during 433 00:20:06.130 --> 00:20:07.549 your childhood. 434 00:20:09.049 --> 00:20:12.990 It was I'm like smiling about it because it was 435 00:20:13.130 --> 00:20:16.109 the best and worst situation, if that makes sense. So 436 00:20:16.789 --> 00:20:20.220 we had an expedition and we kind of lived in 437 00:20:20.259 --> 00:20:23.180 that for a little bit. Mind you, in Newport Beach. 438 00:20:23.420 --> 00:20:24.500 An expedition with a car. 439 00:20:24.740 --> 00:20:24.980 Yeah. 440 00:20:25.700 --> 00:20:27.940 Like Newport Beach, we're going to, I think this is 441 00:20:27.960 --> 00:20:30.960 when we were at, what is it? Ensign by Newport Harbor. 442 00:20:31.019 --> 00:20:33.359 So we were still in Newport. So imagine living in 443 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:36.329 a car, going to like a rich school. Like it's 444 00:20:36.390 --> 00:20:40.380 the most weird thing, but we were, living in a car, 445 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:43.359 but then we could afford to stay in a motel 446 00:20:43.400 --> 00:20:45.000 for a little bit. So we were kind of back 447 00:20:45.039 --> 00:20:46.619 and forth like what nights we could pay for, how 448 00:20:46.660 --> 00:20:48.599 many nights we could pay for. But I'm saying it's 449 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:52.490 the best because me and my brother, my mom is 450 00:20:52.529 --> 00:20:54.609 obviously like prideful and like she never wants to be 451 00:20:54.650 --> 00:20:56.130 looked at that way of like not being able to 452 00:20:56.170 --> 00:20:58.789 provide for her kids. So like my mom's like, I'm 453 00:20:58.829 --> 00:21:01.059 sorry that we had to do that. I'm sorry that 454 00:21:01.079 --> 00:21:02.140 you had

to go through that. But me and my 455 00:21:02.180 --> 00:21:05.140 brother are just like, what? That was so much fun. 456 00:21:05.180 --> 00:21:07.619 Like as a kid, we lived in a motel and 457 00:21:07.660 --> 00:21:10.829 our routine every morning, we would make those waffles in 458 00:21:10.849 --> 00:21:13.950 the waffle machine in the motel breakfast, like before school. 459 00:21:14.509 --> 00:21:16.190 And then we'd go in, my mom would let us 460 00:21:16.230 --> 00:21:18.329 go into the hot tub in the pool. So like, 461 00:21:18.349 --> 00:21:22.589 this is all preschool, like fun stuff in the morning. 462 00:21:22.650 --> 00:21:25.309 So this is like us getting up 637 AM, making 463 00:21:25.329 --> 00:21:28.750 our waffles, Jumping in the pool, chilling in the hot tub, playing, being, like, 464 00:21:28.789 --> 00:21:33.269 best friends, and then showering, getting dressed, and then we 465 00:21:33.289 --> 00:21:36.670 would drive to school in this, like, beat-up expedition when 466 00:21:36.730 --> 00:21:39.170 everybody else is in, like, Rolls Royces and Range Rovers 467 00:21:39.210 --> 00:21:41.160 and all that stuff. But for me and DJ, it 468 00:21:41.180 --> 00:21:45.779 was never... It was, like, never embarrassing in the weirdest way. 469 00:21:45.819 --> 00:21:49.319 It was weird, and we knew that we were kind of, like, 470 00:21:49.819 --> 00:21:52.460 the odd men out. Yeah. In a sense, but we never, 471 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:55.509 ever would, like, rush out of the car, like... be 472 00:21:55.529 --> 00:21:57.849 like mom pick us up over here or like it 473 00:21:57.890 --> 00:22:01.150 was never like that so yeah going back long story 474 00:22:01.190 --> 00:22:03.609 short it's like worst and best situation because me and 475 00:22:03.630 --> 00:22:05.630 my brother look back and we're like that was so 476 00:22:05.690 --> 00:22:06.809 fun in the weirdest. 477 00:22:06.549 --> 00:22:10.269 Way how long do you think you lived you lived 478 00:22:10.309 --> 00:22:11.170 in a car for. 479 00:22:12.269 --> 00:22:14.190 It wasn't that long we were in that motel for 480 00:22:14.630 --> 00:22:18.500 months But again, it was fun even as an adult. Like, 481 00:22:18.539 --> 00:22:19.920 I'm like, that was fun. 482 00:22:19.940 --> 00:22:23.900 And I also think that's such a testament to your mom, right? 483 00:22:23.940 --> 00:22:26.789 Because I think as you get older and you start 484 00:22:26.829 --> 00:22:31.410 to recognize like the reality of life, the fact that 485 00:22:31.430 --> 00:22:35.309 you guys were able to see those moments as just 486 00:22:35.549 --> 00:22:39.099 genuinely so joyful, like your mom was protecting you in 487 00:22:39.119 --> 00:22:41.880 such a beautiful way and you had these like awesome memories. 488 00:22:42.289 --> 00:22:44.049 that's such a testament to your mother. 489 00:22:44.069 --> 00:22:44.150 Yeah. 490 00:22:44.809 --> 00:22:47.130 It's crazy. And I mean, she's not like she had 491

00:22:47.150 --> 00:22:49.109 an easy childhood. Like she didn't have a father figure either. 492 00:22:49.329 --> 00:22:51.890 So I mean, yeah, she went through her own struggles 493 00:22:51.910 --> 00:22:55.609 while somehow making our life extremely fun being broke, which 494 00:22:55.670 --> 00:22:57.670 is insane because everything costs money. So how do you 495 00:22:57.690 --> 00:23:00.819 have fun? But it's just weird. 496 00:23:01.000 --> 00:23:03.420 Do you think you were like, you never found yourself 497 00:23:03.599 --> 00:23:05.240 ever resentful of your situation? 498 00:23:05.759 --> 00:23:05.940 No. 499 00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:07.099 That's amazing. 500 00:23:07.539 --> 00:23:09.720 Never resentful. Obviously there were times where it was like, 501 00:23:10.609 --> 00:23:12.980 our friends would be doing stuff and we couldn't go. Yeah. 502 00:23:13.079 --> 00:23:14.339 Or like we just didn't want to go because we 503 00:23:14.359 --> 00:23:15.680 didn't want to ask people for money. 504 00:23:15.859 --> 00:23:16.099 Yeah. 505 00:23:16.369 --> 00:23:18.849 So it was never resentment. It was more so like, damn, 506 00:23:18.869 --> 00:23:19.670 I wish I could have went there. 507 00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:39.000 Need to shake a salad by the leaves? Need to 508 00:23:39.019 --> 00:23:41.759 give your breakfast some bite, your toastie a talking to, 509 00:23:41.900 --> 00:23:46.319 or your mash some motivation? Sounds like you need Clannachilty. 510 00:23:46.599 --> 00:23:50.900 Our world-famous black and white puddings, the flavour-filled espini sausages, 511 00:23:51.049 --> 00:23:55.170 or our delicious traditional rashers, all made the Clannachilty way. 512 00:23:55.549 --> 00:23:59.490 Adding flavour to absolutely everything, making the best full Irish 513 00:23:59.529 --> 00:24:03.710 you'll find anywhere. Get some Clannachilty for dinner and go 514 00:24:03.789 --> 00:24:05.009 to town on taste. 515 00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:16.640 A cuppa, a breather, a moment for you, for a change. 516 00:24:17.220 --> 00:24:19.980 When you spend your days looking after others, it's easy 517 00:24:20.019 --> 00:24:22.700 to put everyone else first. So take a little time 518 00:24:22.759 --> 00:24:25.779 to think about protecting what matters most to you. Corn 519 00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:28.730 Market offers a range of protection options for your income, 520 00:24:29.009 --> 00:24:32.049 home and family, helping you plan ahead with greater peace 521 00:24:32.069 --> 00:24:36.289 of mind. Corn Market, protection you never see, but always feel. 522 00:24:36.690 --> 00:24:39.890 Call Corn Market to find out more. Corn Market Group 523 00:24:39.910 --> 00:24:43.000 Financial Services Limited is regulated by the Central Bank of Ireland. 524 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:47.259 When I was doing research, I was looking like when 525 00:24:47.299 --> 00:24:50.079 you were nine years old, your dad was getting inducted 526 00:24:50.160 --> 00:24:53.700 into the Hall

of Fame. And when I'm listening to 527 00:24:53.740 --> 00:24:56.720 you talk right now, I'm like, okay, you're nine. 528 00:24:56.980 --> 00:24:58.410 So many things happened. It's crazy. 529 00:24:59.529 --> 00:25:01.849 Right? Like, I'm like, hold on. This man is on 530 00:25:01.890 --> 00:25:05.150 a stage getting inducted into the Hall of Fame. And 531 00:25:05.210 --> 00:25:06.329 where are you when you're nine? 532 00:25:06.349 --> 00:25:10.119 No, and that's the crazy part is like, we still 533 00:25:10.140 --> 00:25:12.319 were going to those events. Like we were just a 534 00:25:12.380 --> 00:25:15.920 happy little family, like getting dressed, getting styled, like his 535 00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:20.079 Jersey retirement, all those things that we attended to while 536 00:25:20.119 --> 00:25:23.119 we're like not financially, like it was just the weirdest thing. 537 00:25:23.140 --> 00:25:25.359 Cause it was like, we did things for him and 538 00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:28.190 we've always done things for him. It's like, he wanted 539 00:25:28.250 --> 00:25:30.170 to have a good image of having his family by him. 540 00:25:30.650 --> 00:25:32.529 And we were like, yeah, we'll go. So exciting. 541 00:25:32.549 --> 00:25:33.470 Like, ah. 542 00:25:33.910 --> 00:25:35.549 So at that point in your life, just to try 543 00:25:35.589 --> 00:25:38.410 to get an understanding throughout, like I would say your 544 00:25:38.430 --> 00:25:41.910 first like 15 years of life, let's say, how often 545 00:25:41.950 --> 00:25:42.789 would you see your dad? 546 00:25:43.509 --> 00:25:47.750 When we were younger, it was more. Okay. Way more. 547 00:25:48.990 --> 00:25:51.630 And then I think as we got older and understood 548 00:25:51.650 --> 00:25:54.880 the situation more, my mom became stronger in the situation. 549 00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:58.450 That's when it was less. And I would say by 550 00:25:58.470 --> 00:26:04.200 the time we were in, I'll say like seventh grade 551 00:26:05.259 --> 00:26:08.940 until even now, it was three, four times a year. 552 00:26:09.539 --> 00:26:10.700 When we lived in the same city. 553 00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:12.319 And did you ever live with him? 554 00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:14.779 When we were really young. But that's when we were 555 00:26:14.819 --> 00:26:17.700 like right after we were born. Yeah. But that wasn't 556 00:26:17.720 --> 00:26:20.329 that long because my mom was over the party and 557 00:26:20.349 --> 00:26:21.299 she was just like, we're getting out. 558 00:26:21.309 --> 00:26:21.529 We're done. 559 00:26:21.809 --> 00:26:25.670 Yeah. In his acceptance speech, he said the one thing 560 00:26:25.710 --> 00:26:28.710 he regretted was not being a better father. You just 561 00:26:28.750 --> 00:26:29.349 rolled your eyes. 562 00:26:29.930 --> 00:26:36.119 Yeah, because it's just like, do I believe him? Yeah, 563 00:26:36.220 --> 00:26:39.190 I do believe that he wishes that he could fight 564 00:26:39.230 --> 00:26:43.630 his demons. I roll my eyes because it's like, you 565 00:26:43.710 --> 00:26:46.109 hear something so many times, but he does nothing to 566 00:26:46.150 --> 00:26:46.579 change it. 567 00:26:46.930 --> 00:26:47.069 Yeah. 568 00:26:47.089 --> 00:26:48.410 And it's like, I wish I was a better dad. 569 00:26:48.430 --> 00:26:49.910 He said that in so many interviews, like I could 570 00:26:49.930 --> 00:26:50.319 pull them up. 571 00:26:50.700 --> 00:26:50.900 Yeah. 572 00:26:51.319 --> 00:26:52.000 And it's like, okay. 573 00:26:52.819 --> 00:26:53.059 Yeah. 574 00:26:53.099 --> 00:26:55.240 Then do something. And I think what the most frustrating 575 00:26:55.279 --> 00:26:58.819 part about it is, is I think with how successful 576 00:26:58.839 --> 00:27:01.980 he was and how rich he was, he was surrounded 577 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:04.019 by a lot of toxic people who would take his 578 00:27:04.059 --> 00:27:05.819 money and take advantage of him. And cause he was 579 00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:10.119 in alcohol and, He was kind of brainwashed and all that, 580 00:27:10.160 --> 00:27:11.559 didn't really have control over anything. 581 00:27:13.420 --> 00:27:13.829 I don't know. 582 00:27:13.869 --> 00:27:18.410 That was just. So I think, again, the rolling eyes 583 00:27:18.450 --> 00:27:22.170 comes from we tried to be that foundation and to 584 00:27:22.269 --> 00:27:25.579 be the good people around him. Because in reality, like 585 00:27:26.460 --> 00:27:29.740 we never really asked for anything unless we really needed it. 586 00:27:30.079 --> 00:27:31.759 Like me, my mom and my brother, it was like, 587 00:27:31.980 --> 00:27:35.559 we just want you. And I think for him, he's 588 00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:38.220 never understood the fact, because he's never experienced it. He's 589 00:27:38.259 --> 00:27:41.579 had messed up family issues as well. He's never understood 590 00:27:41.619 --> 00:27:43.940 that people could actually just want to be around him 591 00:27:44.369 --> 00:27:47.750 and to just want to make him happy. He's always 592 00:27:47.789 --> 00:27:51.130 thinking money, money, money, money when it's like, no. 593 00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:54.240 Yeah like what a horrible situation where you're like wait 594 00:27:54.259 --> 00:27:56.500 no dad like we yes we're coming to you for 595 00:27:56.519 --> 00:27:59.299 money because we're literally living in a fucking car but 596 00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:03.259 we also want you but he's so paranoid of whatever's 597 00:28:03.299 --> 00:28:05.599 going on in his life that he can't like accept 598 00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:07.299 what you guys are trying to give him and so 599 00:28:07.339 --> 00:28:09.460 it's like this cat and mouse game where you guys 600 00:28:09.519 --> 00:28:13.380 feel like you're constantly being rejected but you're coming with 601 00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:15.099 the best intentions. 602 00:28:15.059 --> 00:28:17.349 Yeah and it's just hard because it's like Even

now, 603 00:28:17.529 --> 00:28:18.829 I'm like trying to be honest about it and I'm 604 00:28:18.910 --> 00:28:21.329 still giving him sympathy, which is like frustrating for me 605 00:28:21.349 --> 00:28:25.730 because in reality, I think he's an extremely selfish human being. 606 00:28:26.390 --> 00:28:31.259 I think everything has always been about him. He's gone 607 00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:33.839 through shit, but at the same time, I'm like, he 608 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:36.799 loves the spotlight. He loves the cameras. He loves bringing 609 00:28:36.819 --> 00:28:39.180 his children on stage and being like, oh, these are 610 00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:43.339 my kids. Like all that stuff. And even like the 611 00:28:43.440 --> 00:28:46.670 mindset I've been, well, I've been cussing. That's new for me. 612 00:28:46.690 --> 00:28:48.970 I was going to say the mind fuck, but like 613 00:28:50.130 --> 00:28:54.250 of him, like for me emotionally, he's put me through like, 614 00:28:54.950 --> 00:28:58.670 oh my gosh. Like even just him not talking to 615 00:28:58.690 --> 00:29:01.049 me for months, months and months. And then he randomly 616 00:29:01.089 --> 00:29:03.789 calls and he's like, Hey, like I'm thinking of doing 617 00:29:03.829 --> 00:29:06.029 a TV show, reality TV show. You want to join? 618 00:29:06.069 --> 00:29:09.029 I'm just like, whoa. So like, that's the part where 619 00:29:09.049 --> 00:29:11.069 I have so much anger towards it of like, why 620 00:29:11.130 --> 00:29:14.980 have I been so nice about someone who's So selfish. 621 00:29:15.500 --> 00:29:17.240 And that's the thing with our entire family is like, 622 00:29:18.099 --> 00:29:20.059 you said it in the beginning of like us protecting 623 00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:22.700 him when he's never once protected us. He's almost made 624 00:29:22.740 --> 00:29:25.329 it worse because he has put us in the public 625 00:29:25.369 --> 00:29:29.130 light at a young age. So I guess it's just 626 00:29:29.170 --> 00:29:31.130 like the anger that I haven't really been able to 627 00:29:31.450 --> 00:29:34.170 let out is like difficult for me. 628 00:29:34.569 --> 00:29:34.789 Yeah. 629 00:29:34.809 --> 00:29:36.970 But I feel like hearing you say this, like I've 630 00:29:36.990 --> 00:29:38.890 had people sit in that exact chair and it's like 631 00:29:39.569 --> 00:29:43.369 fucked up. dynamics with parents is so complicated because at 632 00:29:43.390 --> 00:29:46.450 the end of the day, they're still your parent. And 633 00:29:46.470 --> 00:29:49.519 there's like almost a brainwash you experience of like, you 634 00:29:49.619 --> 00:29:52.880 still want their love. You still want their validation. You 635 00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:55.019 still want them to like you. You still want him 636 00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:57.400 to like come to your games and think you're great 637 00:29:57.420 --> 00:29:59.359 and like see how great you're doing. But at the 638 00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:01.109 same

time, you also want to be like, fuck you. 639 00:30:01.380 --> 00:30:03.759 You've never done anything for us. Like, and it's like 640 00:30:03.779 --> 00:30:07.359 this battle of, I get why I wouldn't expect anything 641 00:30:07.740 --> 00:30:09.579 other than you to sitting here and going back and 642 00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:12.380 forth of like trying to protect him because you've never 643 00:30:12.460 --> 00:30:14.200 spoken about this so i want to give you grace 644 00:30:14.269 --> 00:30:17.829 also like you're doing great because you are doing a 645 00:30:17.890 --> 00:30:20.670 really great job of explaining this like hard push and 646 00:30:20.690 --> 00:30:22.809 pull you have because it's your dad. 647 00:30:22.849 --> 00:30:25.890 Yeah and that's like what you're saying is like the 648 00:30:26.130 --> 00:30:30.630 weirdest thing because even when i'm like even like going 649 00:30:30.650 --> 00:30:32.690 through a season where you're just like damn i'm so 650 00:30:32.769 --> 00:30:34.150 over this like i just want to go home and 651 00:30:34.250 --> 00:30:36.970 sleep In moments like that, I'm like, damn, I wish 652 00:30:37.170 --> 00:30:38.609 I could just get a hug from my dad. When 653 00:30:38.829 --> 00:30:41.029 I don't even have that connection with him, like when 654 00:30:41.069 --> 00:30:44.450 he showed up at my game, I was like so mad. 655 00:30:44.930 --> 00:30:46.089 Yeah, can we talk about that for a second? 656 00:30:46.109 --> 00:30:48.650 When I first saw him, yeah, I kind of already 657 00:30:48.690 --> 00:30:51.579 started talking about everything. It's okay. Yeah, he showed up 658 00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:53.339 to my game. My mom had no idea until he 659 00:30:53.380 --> 00:30:54.920 was like there. And I think she got a call 660 00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:59.740 or something. But they were in the sweet field side. 661 00:31:00.339 --> 00:31:02.720 And I, again, going in my rookie year, going into 662 00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:05.279 a quarterfinal, like I'm already shitting my pants as it is. 663 00:31:05.380 --> 00:31:07.319 Like I'm like stressed, like, oh my gosh, like we 664 00:31:07.339 --> 00:31:10.240 have to win. We go, I'm playing. I think it's 665 00:31:10.259 --> 00:31:15.410 like halfway through the first half and I hear it. 666 00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:20.220 And like his voice to me is like, so I 667 00:31:20.259 --> 00:31:23.160 hear him go, let's go Rodman. Let's go Trinity. And 668 00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:26.180 I'm like, oh my fucking gosh. Like, there's no way 669 00:31:26.220 --> 00:31:28.460 this is happening right now. Mind you, I haven't seen 670 00:31:28.500 --> 00:31:32.480 him in or talk to him in months, months. So 671 00:31:32.539 --> 00:31:35.099 I hear it and I'm like, I'm playing a game, 672 00:31:35.480 --> 00:31:38.259 not like throw in nothing. Like I'm playing a game 673 00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:40.609 and I hear I'm running. I'm like, oh my gosh. 674 00:31:41.230 --> 00:31:42.849 So I'm

still playing and I'm like, there's no way. 675 00:31:42.930 --> 00:31:44.609 I'm like chasing the ball down, trying to figure out, 676 00:31:44.630 --> 00:31:46.589 a goal kick happens, right? I'm defending a goal kick. 677 00:31:47.390 --> 00:31:48.970 And I'm like in my stance kind of, and I 678 00:31:49.069 --> 00:31:52.690 look back and I'm like, what the fuck? I look 679 00:31:52.730 --> 00:31:55.210 straight and I like start crying on the field. So 680 00:31:55.250 --> 00:31:56.910 I'm trying to play the soccer game and I'm crying. 681 00:31:57.759 --> 00:31:59.079 And I don't know if we got a water break. 682 00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:01.359 I think there was like an injury or a water break. Yeah. 683 00:32:01.539 --> 00:32:03.750 Because we go into the huddle and I go to 684 00:32:03.829 --> 00:32:06.349 Ashley Sanchez, which is like one of my best friends. 685 00:32:06.670 --> 00:32:08.289 Go to her in the huddle while our coach is 686 00:32:08.309 --> 00:32:10.069 trying to give us direction of like what's working, what's 687 00:32:10.109 --> 00:32:12.190 not working. Because like we were playing horrible the first half. 688 00:32:13.029 --> 00:32:13.789 I'm looking at Ash. 689 00:32:13.849 --> 00:32:14.569 I'm crying. 690 00:32:14.910 --> 00:32:16.690 No one knows what the fuck's going on. I'm looking 691 00:32:16.740 --> 00:32:18.319 at Ash and I'm like, dude, my dad's here. And 692 00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:21.099 she knew immediately. She was like, oh, fuck. She gave 693 00:32:21.140 --> 00:32:22.539 me a hug. She was like, it's okay. Let's just 694 00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:24.839 finish this half. Like we'll talk in the locker room 695 00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:26.539 at halftime. Just finish this half. Don't think about it. 696 00:32:27.019 --> 00:32:28.140 I was like, sure. Let me just forget. 697 00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:29.619 Yeah. 698 00:32:29.680 --> 00:32:33.420 Easy advice. Um, so yeah, I finished that half and 699 00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:36.059 then cry my eyes out in the locker room at halftime. 700 00:32:36.180 --> 00:32:37.900 And my coach was like, do you want, do you 701 00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:40.519 want to play? And I was like, yeah, I want 702 00:32:40.539 --> 00:32:40.839 to win. 703 00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:41.180 Hello. 704 00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:43.759 I'm like, he is not going to take me from 705 00:32:43.819 --> 00:32:47.650 winning this either. Um, so yeah, we finished the game. 706 00:32:48.140 --> 00:32:49.799 Were you able to, like, play well? Yeah. 707 00:32:50.019 --> 00:32:53.150 So I took the shot, ricocheted back, and Hatch scored 708 00:32:53.190 --> 00:32:55.470 it for us to win. Yeah, you did. 709 00:32:55.789 --> 00:32:57.029 Awesome. 710 00:32:57.670 --> 00:33:01.089 And then after the game, when we were winning, there's 711 00:33:01.109 --> 00:33:02.650 that part in your head where, like, the whistle's going 712 00:33:02.670 --> 00:33:03.829 to blow, the whistle's going to blow. And all I 713 00:33:03.849 --> 00:33:04.990 was thinking was, like, oh, my God, I'm going to 714 00:33:05.059 --> 00:33:06.099 see him. I'm going to talk to him. Like, what's 715 00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:09.980 going to happen? The whistle blew, and I was so, like, mad. 716 00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:12.880 I was like, you took this happy moment from me. Like, 717 00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:15.339 you fucked with my head again. And he did it 718 00:33:15.460 --> 00:33:18.480 so many times, and I don't even know– No, I 719 00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:22.529 think he knows what he does. But when the game ended, 720 00:33:22.549 --> 00:33:24.130 I was so angry. I was happy we won, but 721 00:33:24.150 --> 00:33:26.589 I was just like. And then I started getting mad 722 00:33:26.630 --> 00:33:28.150 at my mom because I was like, she had to 723 00:33:28.190 --> 00:33:30.750 have known. Why didn't she tell me like all this stuff? 724 00:33:30.769 --> 00:33:33.849 And then I walk over. And again, there's cameras everywhere. 725 00:33:33.869 --> 00:33:36.710 Dennis Rodman's at the game. And I walk over there 726 00:33:36.730 --> 00:33:38.609 and all I did was cry. I was like, I'm 727 00:33:38.650 --> 00:33:41.299 walking over there so mad. Like, fuck you. I walk 728 00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:42.779 over there. He grabs my head and I just start 729 00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:44.440 bawling into his arms as if like it's a daddy 730 00:33:44.460 --> 00:33:47.670 daughter like. And I'm just like, this is the first 731 00:33:47.690 --> 00:33:49.789 game you've come to, quarterfinal, you missed the entire season, 732 00:33:49.829 --> 00:33:53.509 haven't seen my games in three, four, five years. And 733 00:33:53.529 --> 00:33:57.029 I'm just like bawling. I was, I cried and then 734 00:33:57.049 --> 00:33:59.859 I was super happy. I was like, let's take the 735 00:33:59.880 --> 00:34:02.220 positive of it. He's here. Like that's more than I 736 00:34:02.259 --> 00:34:04.740 can ask. So then we go into like this friends 737 00:34:04.779 --> 00:34:07.539 and family part after we're like talking, whatever, he's asking 738 00:34:07.579 --> 00:34:10.880 me how everything's going. It's like, honestly, like a pretty 739 00:34:10.900 --> 00:34:14.119 wholesome thing. Like, oh my gosh, imagine. So we're just 740 00:34:14.139 --> 00:34:17.260 like talking, catching up and then I don't remember how 741 00:34:17.300 --> 00:34:18.860 it was left. I think I just went home because 742 00:34:18.880 --> 00:34:21.659 I had training the next day. And we just kind 743 00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:22.920 of left it at that. And he was just like, 744 00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:24.679 I want to see you soon. I'm in D.C., whatever. 745 00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:28.269 And I was like, okay. And then after that, radio silence. 746 00:34:28.369 --> 00:34:33.469 I didn't see him for like until this year. I 747 00:34:33.510 --> 00:34:38.289 didn't talk to him or see him. Yeah, until I think. 748 00:34:40.739 --> 00:34:40.909 No. 749 00:34:41.489 -->

00:34:42.579 Yeah, right after the World Cup. 750 00:34:43.300 --> 00:34:44.900 Wait, how many years ago was this? 751 00:34:45.179 --> 00:34:45.300 Three. 752 00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:45.420 Three. 753 00:34:46.659 --> 00:34:48.139 This is 2021. 754 00:34:48.139 --> 00:34:49.599 So that happens in 2021. 755 00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:52.139 And I'm talking to media. I put out this huge 756 00:34:52.179 --> 00:34:55.159 post like, we're not perfect. I love my dad. Like 757 00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:57.440 this could be the start of something new. Like I 758 00:34:57.500 --> 00:35:00.320 know blah, blah, blah. Like being super nice about it. 759 00:35:00.360 --> 00:35:02.670 Like just grateful that he even showed up. I'm like, 760 00:35:02.769 --> 00:35:05.090 I don't know what it has in store, but I'm 761 00:35:05.130 --> 00:35:07.730 just happy that we got to have this moment together. 762 00:35:08.630 --> 00:35:10.730 Stupid me for thinking that was going to be some 763 00:35:10.769 --> 00:35:13.030 type of like new spark because that was me every 764 00:35:13.050 --> 00:35:15.110 single time. He would come around and I'd be like, okay. 765 00:35:15.469 --> 00:35:16.809 Here it is again. We're going to start something. He's 766 00:35:16.829 --> 00:35:19.409 going to be around. Boom. Months and months and months. 767 00:35:19.449 --> 00:35:21.420 This time was years. And I was just like, okay, cool. 768 00:35:22.300 --> 00:35:24.579 And so then it's like after that, then it's media 769 00:35:24.619 --> 00:35:26.800 outlets asking about the post, asking about him being there. 770 00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:29.460 So I'm like super positive. I'm just like, yeah, like 771 00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:31.869 obviously it was really emotional. I'm really happy. Months and 772 00:35:31.889 --> 00:35:33.190 months go by. I'm still talking about it on media. 773 00:35:33.210 --> 00:35:36.510 And I'm just like, fuck, here we go again. So 774 00:35:36.530 --> 00:35:39.090 then it was just like, I think after that was 775 00:35:39.150 --> 00:35:42.780 when I lost hope in like ever getting him back. 776 00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:45.699 It was just going to be like a, He's popping 777 00:35:45.739 --> 00:35:47.460 in whenever he wants to be in a camera. And 778 00:35:47.619 --> 00:35:50.440 even at that game, I don't think it was for me. 779 00:35:51.019 --> 00:35:54.960 I think he wanted to have a good conscience and 780 00:35:54.980 --> 00:35:57.280 then be like, headline, Dennis Rodman showed up to his 781 00:35:57.320 --> 00:36:00.219 daughter's game, an important quarterfinal in her rookie year. And 782 00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:01.320 that's exactly what it was. 783 00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:03.530 That's what I was going to say. I went and 784 00:36:03.550 --> 00:36:06.809 looked at that Instagram post and my heart sunk for 785 00:36:06.849 --> 00:36:10.570 you because obviously I knew somewhat of the conversation we 786 00:36:10.590 --> 00:36:13.489 were going to have today. But I had obviously no 787 00:36:13.590 --> 00:36:16.670 idea of like the gravity of it. And it's so 788 00:36:17.510 --> 00:36:21.070 disheartening because you're right. Like you walking over to him 789 00:36:21.110 --> 00:36:24.130 in that moment, it was all about the cameras. You 790 00:36:24.150 --> 00:36:26.510 couldn't have a normal reaction to be like, where the 791 00:36:26.530 --> 00:36:29.050 fuck have you been? And like you saying you're on 792 00:36:29.090 --> 00:36:31.630 the field angry and then you don't get to have 793 00:36:31.670 --> 00:36:33.710 a normal moment with your father where a normal person 794 00:36:33.730 --> 00:36:35.570 could go up and be like, what the fuck? Instead, 795 00:36:35.630 --> 00:36:38.090 it's like everyone smile for the cameras and be happy. 796 00:36:38.130 --> 00:36:39.750 And then before you even get to have like a 797 00:36:39.809 --> 00:36:43.559 debrief the next day, like he's gone. Can you talk 798 00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:46.460 to me about, like, didn't he, like, always change his 799 00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:47.260 phone numbers? 800 00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:49.119 Yeah, even now. Like, I don't have his number saved. 801 00:36:49.340 --> 00:36:52.360 I think he, because he had called me, like, even 802 00:36:52.380 --> 00:36:55.360 these past couple weeks, he's been trying to call me. 803 00:36:55.570 --> 00:36:57.369 And it was just a Texas number. Didn't know he 804 00:36:57.389 --> 00:37:00.230 lived in Texas. So that's news to me. So I'm 805 00:37:00.269 --> 00:37:02.849 just thinking it's, like, spam risk, like, all this stuff. 806 00:37:02.889 --> 00:37:05.010 And I'm like, okay, they're just, like, spam calls. Like, normal. 807 00:37:05.030 --> 00:37:06.889 I get those all the time. So I was ignoring it. 808 00:37:06.929 --> 00:37:08.760 And then I see, like, voicemails from it. And I'm like, 809 00:37:08.780 --> 00:37:11.179 and then I look. And I hear it for a second. 810 00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:12.719 I was like, fuck. And I think I heard it 811 00:37:12.739 --> 00:37:14.860 for a second because I saw that the voicemail was 812 00:37:14.860 --> 00:37:16.400 40 seconds long. I was like, no, I'm not doing that. 813 00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:18.599 And it's just like a hit or miss day for me. 814 00:37:18.619 --> 00:37:20.139 It's like if I want to go through that or not. 815 00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:21.469 And I'm just like, no. 816 00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:23.280 Why is he always changing his phone number? 817 00:37:23.739 --> 00:37:25.429 I don't know if it's changing or losing his phones 818 00:37:25.510 --> 00:37:27.590 or what. But again, he never has an iPhone. He 819 00:37:27.610 --> 00:37:29.130 always has a flip phone. And I honestly think he'll 820 00:37:29.150 --> 00:37:30.449 just like trash them and get new ones. 821 00:37:31.190 --> 00:37:35.170 Of him calling you in moments throughout your life and 822 00:37:35.210 --> 00:37:37.469 those moments where you're like, sometimes I have

the patience, 823 00:37:37.489 --> 00:37:40.550 sometimes I don't. Is there any time he like called 824 00:37:40.630 --> 00:37:43.409 you that you remember and it like really fucked with you? 825 00:37:43.469 --> 00:37:45.510 Whether you were like about to go into a specific 826 00:37:45.570 --> 00:37:47.550 event in your life or you were in a specific 827 00:37:47.929 --> 00:37:50.250 situation and he calls and you like were like, this 828 00:37:50.289 --> 00:37:52.309 completely fucked me up and ruined my day. Kind of 829 00:37:52.329 --> 00:37:52.809 like the game. 830 00:37:52.829 --> 00:37:55.590 Yeah, I think it fucks me up every single time. 831 00:37:56.340 --> 00:37:58.679 Even I think now hearing his voice is like painful 832 00:37:59.539 --> 00:38:05.940 because I think it's missing him mixed with he's an alcoholic. 833 00:38:07.179 --> 00:38:08.710 And again, that's something that I don't want to say, 834 00:38:08.750 --> 00:38:11.610 but I'm just like, fuck it. Like, it's just the truth. 835 00:38:11.670 --> 00:38:17.190 And like hearing even the past five years, hearing the 836 00:38:17.230 --> 00:38:20.809 difference in the way that his sentences go together. And 837 00:38:20.909 --> 00:38:23.650 now I'm like, like, I genuinely keep thinking, I'm like, 838 00:38:23.690 --> 00:38:26.329 he's gone. Like, it feels like he's gone. And like 839 00:38:26.369 --> 00:38:30.639 hearing him talk, I'm just like, like, I answer the 840 00:38:30.659 --> 00:38:34.460 phone now for like my conscience to be like, if 841 00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:37.909 something does happen, God forbid. I want to know that 842 00:38:37.949 --> 00:38:40.230 like I did that or if he needed to hear 843 00:38:40.250 --> 00:38:42.670 my voice before anything happens. Like that's why I answer 844 00:38:42.690 --> 00:38:45.570 the phone, not for me. But then I answer the 845 00:38:45.610 --> 00:38:49.070 phone and I have that conversation and I hear the 846 00:38:49.090 --> 00:38:52.969 way he's talking and how gone and drunk he is. 847 00:38:52.989 --> 00:38:57.530 And I'm just like, that was horrible. I'm like, that 848 00:38:57.550 --> 00:39:00.639 did nothing for me. Like if something were to happen, 849 00:39:01.179 --> 00:39:02.380 if I would have had that phone call and if 850 00:39:02.420 --> 00:39:03.699 I wouldn't have, I would have felt the same way. 851 00:39:04.340 --> 00:39:06.159 Well, that's what, but you saying that, and I feel 852 00:39:06.179 --> 00:39:08.559 like there's a lot of people listening that can probably 853 00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:12.019 relate to having someone in their life that struggles with 854 00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:15.039 alcohol or substance abuse. And it's like the point you 855 00:39:15.059 --> 00:39:18.090 just hit on, which I think is so debilitating. And 856 00:39:18.110 --> 00:39:20.210 it keeps you kind of like a captive because it's like, 857 00:39:20.789 --> 00:39:23.190 you're held captive to your dad because the thought is, 858 00:39:23.369 --> 00:39:25.349 is this his last moment? And he's calling me and 859 00:39:25.369 --> 00:39:27.289 he wants to hear my voice. So there's a world 860 00:39:27.309 --> 00:39:29.510 where you're going to pick up every fucking time because 861 00:39:29.550 --> 00:39:30.670 you're so fucking scared. 862 00:39:30.690 --> 00:39:33.050 It's like living for somebody else. Right. Like living to 863 00:39:33.090 --> 00:39:33.849 make someone else happy. 864 00:39:34.070 --> 00:39:38.510 Have you have you figured out any form of boundaries 865 00:39:38.590 --> 00:39:40.449 that you has worked or no? 866 00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:43.400 It's hard to make boundaries when he's like, it's a 867 00:39:43.469 --> 00:39:46.099 rare occurrence. Like if you were, say, calling me randomly 868 00:39:46.139 --> 00:39:46.739 every single week. 869 00:39:46.860 --> 00:39:47.320 OK, cool. 870 00:39:48.349 --> 00:39:50.590 But it's like so random that I'm like, you don't 871 00:39:50.610 --> 00:39:51.949 know when the next phone call is going to come. 872 00:39:51.969 --> 00:39:53.510 So it's like, what is a boundary? 873 00:39:53.889 --> 00:39:57.969 What is the closest you've ever had with your father 874 00:39:57.989 --> 00:40:02.909 of like a heart to heart, somewhat scratching the surface 875 00:40:03.050 --> 00:40:05.780 of like, this is why he is the way he is. Like, 876 00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:08.719 has he ever spoken about his struggle with alcohol to 877 00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:11.659 you and tried to explain his behavior? 878 00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:17.239 No, but I think not with the alcohol. with loving 879 00:40:17.300 --> 00:40:19.679 people he's talked to me and my mom about of 880 00:40:19.739 --> 00:40:22.840 just the lack of love that he's received from his 881 00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:31.530 parents or his dad relationship is kind of translates into 882 00:40:32.619 --> 00:40:36.230 how he loves other people. Cause he loved my mom. 883 00:40:36.349 --> 00:40:37.789 I do not question that. She does not question that. 884 00:40:38.250 --> 00:40:41.170 He treated her like shit. So it's just weird. And 885 00:40:41.190 --> 00:40:44.389 it's like, to me, even after everything I said, he 886 00:40:44.869 --> 00:40:48.059 treats me the best. I'm like still his little princess 887 00:40:48.420 --> 00:40:51.940 and I can't do any wrong. He growing up, he 888 00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:54.179 treated my brother like shit too. So fuck you. You're 889 00:40:54.219 --> 00:40:56.340 not good enough. What are you doing with basketball? You're not. 890 00:40:56.679 --> 00:40:59.900 And that's, yeah, that's touching on a whole different thing 891 00:40:59.920 --> 00:41:01.500 with the hate that my brother gets being in the 892 00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:05.699 same sport. Like I don't even people in the insensitivity 893 00:41:05.739 --> 00:41:08.519 with that. It's like, you're never as good as your dad, 894 00:41:08.539 --> 00:41:10.429 all this stuff. It's like, he

doesn't have to be. 895 00:41:10.719 --> 00:41:14.630 And also he's not around. And I think too, I'm like, 896 00:41:15.090 --> 00:41:19.489 just blabbering no you're doing great but that's also another 897 00:41:19.550 --> 00:41:22.719 thing of like that's the most he's talked to me 898 00:41:22.780 --> 00:41:25.920 about in terms of like loving my brother the like 899 00:41:25.960 --> 00:41:30.179 the man to man thing he doesn't know how to 900 00:41:30.340 --> 00:41:33.059 father in general but especially to it like he doesn't 901 00:41:33.079 --> 00:41:34.219 know how to show that like with me and my 902 00:41:34.260 --> 00:41:35.659 mom he could at least hug us like he knows 903 00:41:35.679 --> 00:41:36.599 how to do that he doesn't know how to do 904 00:41:36.619 --> 00:41:40.710 that with my brother and That's just, I mean, caused 905 00:41:40.769 --> 00:41:43.349 a lot of issues with my brother's confidence and obviously 906 00:41:43.389 --> 00:41:45.269 hearing your dad say like, you're not good enough, all 907 00:41:45.309 --> 00:41:47.849 this stuff. And it's like, too, like playing with Bronny. 908 00:41:47.929 --> 00:41:49.670 It's like you see Bronny and you see LeBron. And 909 00:41:49.710 --> 00:41:54.300 it's like, that is picture perfect. Like, holy. So even 910 00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:56.460 that is just a whole nother thing for my brother. 911 00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:57.880 And I don't want to speak for him. I'm sure 912 00:41:58.699 --> 00:42:00.420 he's ready if he's ever ready to talk about that. 913 00:42:00.480 --> 00:42:05.300 That's just another thing that my dad doesn't realize he's 914 00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:09.789 affected so much of our like day to day. Yeah. 915 00:42:09.869 --> 00:42:12.250 Like the reason my brother gets hate for basketball is 916 00:42:12.269 --> 00:42:12.730 because of him. 917 00:42:13.130 --> 00:42:15.750 And I think like we would all, I agree with 918 00:42:15.769 --> 00:42:18.030 you when you're talking about the LeBron and Bronny situation, 919 00:42:18.070 --> 00:42:20.030 but like, I think we would all be idiots if 920 00:42:20.070 --> 00:42:23.340 we didn't think to ourselves like, damn, that's fucking hard 921 00:42:23.380 --> 00:42:26.960 for that kid. Like that looks great, but even that 922 00:42:27.039 --> 00:42:29.880 is so fucking hard. So imagine your brother. 923 00:42:29.980 --> 00:42:32.559 And I'm not, yeah, I did not mean to make 924 00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:34.300 that sound like a walk in the park. 925 00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:37.579 No, I'm validating what you're saying of like, it looks like, wow, 926 00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:40.260 look how great that is. But it's like, even that 927 00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:43.440 one can imagine how difficult that is of like being 928 00:42:43.519 --> 00:42:46.909 the son of LeBron James. You're like, damn, this is hard. 929 00:42:46.949 --> 00:42:49.780 And like the fact that LeBron is embracing his kid 930 00:42:49.820 --> 00:42:51.829 being like, come with me, let you show you around. 931 00:42:51.849 --> 00:42:54.489 It's like, your brother and I agree like not to 932 00:42:54.530 --> 00:42:57.230 speak for him but I can only imagine the hurt 933 00:42:57.309 --> 00:42:59.949 it feels to have a passion that is essentially like 934 00:43:00.010 --> 00:43:03.269 constantly stripped of you because you're being constantly compared to 935 00:43:03.309 --> 00:43:05.469 your dad when what your guys are really talking about 936 00:43:05.489 --> 00:43:07.590 you're like I don't want to be fucking compared to him. 937 00:43:07.849 --> 00:43:11.510 Yeah and that's yeah 100% and yeah the brawny and 938 00:43:11.530 --> 00:43:13.449 LeBron's like I've seen the hate that brawny gets too 939 00:43:13.489 --> 00:43:16.869 it's unbelievable to try to live up to being the 940 00:43:16.909 --> 00:43:20.389 goat of LeBron James but yeah I think with my 941 00:43:20.449 --> 00:43:24.510 brother it's just You're never enough. Like it's sad. And like, 942 00:43:24.590 --> 00:43:28.610 no one can tell him that he's enough because the 943 00:43:28.750 --> 00:43:32.010 one person that he wants to say is enough. Yeah. 944 00:43:32.349 --> 00:43:33.949 So it's, yeah, it's tough. 945 00:43:34.329 --> 00:43:38.730 Were you hesitant to talk about the real situation with 946 00:43:38.750 --> 00:43:42.289 your dad because of the hype around the Rodman name? Like, 947 00:43:42.309 --> 00:43:44.929 do you think people are going to still like, not 948 00:43:45.050 --> 00:43:46.909 not believe what you're saying today, but do you think 949 00:43:46.929 --> 00:43:49.849 people will still downplay it? Cause it's like, cause I. 950 00:43:49.869 --> 00:43:52.289 Also think people look at us like, Oh, poor, poor me. 951 00:43:52.429 --> 00:43:55.329 Like we're just trying to like get a check or like, Oh, 952 00:43:55.429 --> 00:43:59.789 pity story. Try to like create this thing. But I think, yeah, 953 00:43:59.829 --> 00:44:01.949 there always, I think there's a lot of times where there's, 954 00:44:02.309 --> 00:44:04.710 it's always going to be like everyone on my dad's side. 955 00:44:04.750 --> 00:44:09.510 Like when for like father's day, like that day is 956 00:44:09.550 --> 00:44:12.570 shitty for people that don't have father figures. So for us, 957 00:44:12.610 --> 00:44:16.019 like our, coping mechanism for it was posting our mom 958 00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:18.949 like happy father's day thanks for being both and that 959 00:44:18.989 --> 00:44:21.550 wasn't that's no disrespect to the father figures like still 960 00:44:21.650 --> 00:44:24.369 a day to celebrate dads and fathers but for us 961 00:44:24.469 --> 00:44:26.329 that's our dad that's our mom and our dad in 962 00:44:26.369 --> 00:44:28.349 the weirdest way and even just comments like that like 963 00:44:28.389 --> 00:44:30.710 don't disrespect him like that it's like that's not disrespect 964 00:44:30.730 --> 00:44:33.050 he's not a dad right

he's a person he's not 965 00:44:33.090 --> 00:44:37.289 a dad maybe by blood but nothing else Yeah. 966 00:44:37.349 --> 00:44:41.489 It almost feels like people are like frustrated that you 967 00:44:41.590 --> 00:44:43.349 speaking about what he was like as a dad is 968 00:44:43.369 --> 00:44:47.929 going to threaten his legacy as a basketball player, which 969 00:44:48.010 --> 00:44:49.210 is so fucked. 970 00:44:50.250 --> 00:44:50.550 Yeah. 971 00:44:51.489 --> 00:44:54.139 How do you think talking about this today is going 972 00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:57.760 to affect you and like impact the way you approach 973 00:44:57.820 --> 00:44:58.860 interviews moving forward? 974 00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:01.260 I'm just like not going to give a fuck, honestly. 975 00:45:01.820 --> 00:45:04.400 Like that's how I feel though. Cause I watch interviews 976 00:45:04.449 --> 00:45:06.179 back and I'm like, ew, why does, why do I 977 00:45:06.210 --> 00:45:08.510 look so scared? Like, this is like my story. 978 00:45:08.690 --> 00:45:08.969 Right. 979 00:45:09.289 --> 00:45:10.750 And like, there are times where he gets brought up 980 00:45:10.789 --> 00:45:14.210 where I'm just like, yeah, like, yeah, he's like, I 981 00:45:14.250 --> 00:45:16.250 know he's proud of me. Like, and I'm like, ew, 982 00:45:17.030 --> 00:45:19.429 like just say how you feel. And even sometimes I 983 00:45:19.449 --> 00:45:22.679 wish I was like, when people ask, oh, like, is 984 00:45:22.699 --> 00:45:24.139 he going to come to one of the Olympic games? 985 00:45:24.639 --> 00:45:26.880 I don't know. And other like, I'll dodge it and 986 00:45:26.900 --> 00:45:29.300 I'll be like, oh, like my mom's going to be here. 987 00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:30.500 I'm going to give her a hug. And I'm like, 988 00:45:31.099 --> 00:45:33.679 great answer. From a PR team. 989 00:45:34.119 --> 00:45:36.539 Perfect answer. Right? 990 00:45:36.579 --> 00:45:39.519 In reality, like, not to be a diva, but I'm 991 00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:41.639 just like, I want to be like, I don't know. 992 00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:45.300 How am I supposed to know? And that's it. That's 993 00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:48.400 the end. True. You make me feel uncomfortable, I'm going 994 00:45:48.420 --> 00:45:50.579 to make you feel uncomfortable. And I feel like I've 995 00:45:50.619 --> 00:45:53.409 been so comfortable being uncomfortable, and I'm just. 996 00:45:54.119 --> 00:45:58.460 Done. You're fucking dumb. Obviously there's been like, I think 997 00:45:58.480 --> 00:46:02.420 the rise of your career has been fucking incredible, Trinity. 998 00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:06.059 Like you're so fucking talented in your own right. And 999 00:46:06.539 --> 00:46:10.320 I can imagine moments like this where you are having 1000 00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:13.909 this like Olympic run and your name is everywhere. And yes, 1001 00:46:13.969 --> 00:46:16.110 you're sitting there and people are asking you like, oh, 1002 00:46:16.530 --> 00:46:18.670 is your dad gonna come? And is your dad gonna 1003 00:46:18.690 --> 00:46:20.010 see the game? And it's like, why can't I just 1004 00:46:20.050 --> 00:46:24.280 be enough? How has your relationship with your dad affected you? 1005 00:46:25.150 --> 00:46:25.869 your love life. 1006 00:46:25.889 --> 00:46:28.130 You know what's funny about this is that like I 1007 00:46:28.429 --> 00:46:31.780 literally just figured out what it affected. Like I would 1008 00:46:31.820 --> 00:46:34.880 say a week ago. What did it affect? I think 1009 00:46:36.480 --> 00:46:43.500 my love language is affection and like physical touch. But 1010 00:46:43.559 --> 00:46:47.289 I think that's because I never got that from my 1011 00:46:47.329 --> 00:46:49.650 dad and I never got that type of love. And 1012 00:46:49.690 --> 00:46:52.590 because of that, He didn't show that to my brother either. 1013 00:46:52.670 --> 00:46:54.769 So my brother's very similar to my dad in the 1014 00:46:54.789 --> 00:46:56.429 way that he loves. Like he's, I don't want to 1015 00:46:56.449 --> 00:46:59.789 say cold, but he's not a lovey dovey squishy person 1016 00:46:59.969 --> 00:47:02.190 in a relationship. So I don't get that from my 1017 00:47:02.230 --> 00:47:07.860 brother or my dad. So I think the way that 1018 00:47:07.900 --> 00:47:10.340 I am in relationships, I don't want to say high maintenance, 1019 00:47:10.420 --> 00:47:13.800 but I think the top priority for me is like 1020 00:47:13.880 --> 00:47:17.320 feeling wanted and feeling like I want to be pulled 1021 00:47:17.340 --> 00:47:18.820 in for a hug all the time. Like I don't 1022 00:47:18.860 --> 00:47:20.570 want to pass you in the living room and for 1023 00:47:20.590 --> 00:47:23.269 you to not want to touch my butt or like 1024 00:47:23.469 --> 00:47:25.860 kiss me on the cheek or like just do something 1025 00:47:26.280 --> 00:47:29.059 right I know people can relate to that but I 1026 00:47:29.300 --> 00:47:31.940 genuinely feel like that has made me. 1027 00:47:32.940 --> 00:47:38.690 Crazy I love you okay wait did you have any 1028 00:47:38.769 --> 00:47:41.349 relationships where you started to be like fuck I need 1029 00:47:41.369 --> 00:47:42.929 to figure my shit out in the past because like 1030 00:47:42.949 --> 00:47:45.909 we've all had fucked up relationships romantically like did you 1031 00:47:46.030 --> 00:47:50.119 see any of your family trauma seeping into your relationships 1032 00:47:50.139 --> 00:47:52.320 that you can share with people maybe that have similar 1033 00:47:52.699 --> 00:47:53.519 situation to you? 1034 00:47:53.860 --> 00:47:59.159 Yeah. I think my first relationship, I think obviously first 1035 00:47:59.179 --> 00:48:01.940 relationships are always like kind of a, what is love? 1036 00:48:02.159 --> 00:48:05.820 What are we doing? Yeah. I think then I was 1037 00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:12.719 extremely insecure in myself and I kind of let the 1038 00:48:12.760 -->

00:48:16.610 person walk all over me in a sense, but Again, 1039 00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:19.039 I don't regret any relationship. I think they've all helped 1040 00:48:19.099 --> 00:48:21.900 me so much. And I'm still cordial with, like, everyone 1041 00:48:21.940 --> 00:48:24.840 that I've been with. But I put up with a 1042 00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:27.920 lot because I didn't have validation. So I feel like 1043 00:48:27.980 --> 00:48:30.320 it's done a 360 now. But I would say I 1044 00:48:30.340 --> 00:48:32.679 was really insecure and let a lot of shit slide 1045 00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:38.510 back then. Like what? Like, hanging out with the boys. Right? 1046 00:48:38.750 --> 00:48:43.510 Love that sentence, right? Right? Oh, hanging out with the boys. 1047 00:48:43.610 --> 00:48:43.829 Okay. 1048 00:48:44.250 --> 00:48:48.090 Fuck off. But it'd be like hanging out with the 1049 00:48:48.110 --> 00:48:49.510 boys and I'd be like, damn, I wanted to hang 1050 00:48:49.550 --> 00:48:53.300 out with you tonight. And happens. And then there's like 1051 00:48:53.300 --> 00:48:58.820 10 girls there. I'm your girlfriend. What do you mean? 1052 00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:03.079 And those are also not the boys. So just something 1053 00:49:03.099 --> 00:49:05.039 like that. And even that was the weirdest thing was 1054 00:49:05.079 --> 00:49:08.039 that my brother was best friends with him. So my 1055 00:49:08.139 --> 00:49:10.760 brother was there. So it was a push and pull 1056 00:49:10.780 --> 00:49:12.179 with him of like, that's my best friend, but you're 1057 00:49:13.309 --> 00:49:14.960 My sister's crying all the time. 1058 00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:16.440 My sister is sobbing. 1059 00:49:16.860 --> 00:49:19.110 Get it together. I learned a lot from that relationship. 1060 00:49:19.150 --> 00:49:22.289 I think that was great. And like, even with that, 1061 00:49:22.329 --> 00:49:24.150 we were still like best friends in the weirdest way, 1062 00:49:24.170 --> 00:49:28.269 but I learned a lot of things of like, I'm 1063 00:49:28.849 --> 00:49:31.590 not taking that shit. And I think that then helped 1064 00:49:31.650 --> 00:49:34.329 me in my next relationship of like, I felt most 1065 00:49:34.369 --> 00:49:37.769 confident in my next relationship. And then it was a 1066 00:49:37.829 --> 00:49:40.150 different struggle of like, I'm so confident and I'm so 1067 00:49:40.210 --> 00:49:43.559 happy that now I'm like too reliant on this relationship. 1068 00:49:43.619 --> 00:49:45.840 And now I'm like isolating myself from everybody else because 1069 00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:49.579 I'm like addicted to the feeling that he's given me, 1070 00:49:49.619 --> 00:49:52.059 like the love and affection and like you're beautiful and 1071 00:49:52.099 --> 00:49:54.539 all this stuff. So that was just another issue that 1072 00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:55.179 I had to work through. 1073 00:49:55.420 --> 00:49:56.699 Well, I was going to say too, I feel like 1074 00:49:57.119

--> 00:50:00.179 a big theme throughout our conversation of like talking about 1075 00:50:00.409 --> 00:50:04.289 your growing up and talking about your relationship with your father. 1076 00:50:04.369 --> 00:50:07.960 Like there has been a lot of instability in the 1077 00:50:08.019 --> 00:50:11.300 way that he communicates with you and his actions. Like 1078 00:50:11.320 --> 00:50:13.780 you even saying like the drinking problem. Like I remember 1079 00:50:13.820 --> 00:50:18.199 I wrote down like at one point your dad made 1080 00:50:18.260 --> 00:50:21.139 really had a lot of controversial moments, obviously, but like 1081 00:50:21.179 --> 00:50:23.539 the one where he befriended a dictator in North Korea 1082 00:50:23.960 --> 00:50:29.219 and like, it's really not funny, but like we can laugh, 1083 00:50:29.300 --> 00:50:32.699 but like, You having to read that about your dad, 1084 00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:35.079 that is a lot of like one day you don't 1085 00:50:35.119 --> 00:50:37.420 hear from him, one day you're reading something on the news. 1086 00:50:38.219 --> 00:50:42.639 That's very destabilizing to your reality of your everyday. This 1087 00:50:42.679 --> 00:50:44.699 person pops in or you hear this on the news 1088 00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:46.480 that your dad is making friends with a dictator in 1089 00:50:46.500 --> 00:50:49.659 North Korea. How have you learned throughout the years to 1090 00:50:49.699 --> 00:50:53.840 just stabilize your own reality and keep your bubble as 1091 00:50:54.179 --> 00:50:56.300 safe as you can when all the rest around you 1092 00:50:56.340 --> 00:50:57.179 is kind of moving? 1093 00:50:57.699 --> 00:51:03.530 It's obviously so... it's just so weird. And it's like 1094 00:51:03.610 --> 00:51:05.650 so hard not to be hurt by certain things, like 1095 00:51:05.710 --> 00:51:08.530 reading things, getting updates through media. And then people ask 1096 00:51:08.550 --> 00:51:11.000 you and you're like, you probably knew before I did, 1097 00:51:11.039 --> 00:51:14.760 or you probably honestly know more than I do. Like 1098 00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:19.199 it's so, so, so weird. Or just like little stuff 1099 00:51:19.219 --> 00:51:23.880 like him not being in my life. And then like 1100 00:51:24.679 --> 00:51:26.989 other people, and I'm not throwing shade at anybody, but like, 1101 00:51:27.730 --> 00:51:30.030 I remember Angel Reese had wore his Jersey to a game. 1102 00:51:30.429 --> 00:51:32.449 And then there was a picture of them and like, 1103 00:51:33.090 --> 00:51:35.380 I'll have it. Like he is a really famous basketball 1104 00:51:35.389 --> 00:51:39.539 player and like style wise, everything like inspiring. But I 1105 00:51:39.559 --> 00:51:42.940 think as a daughter seeing that it's like no shade, 1106 00:51:42.980 --> 00:51:46.059 but it's like, damn, I wish that was me. I 1107 00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:47.300 wish I was taking a picture with him. I wish 1108 00:51:47.340 --> 00:51:49.199 I was wearing his Jersey. Like when I wear his Jersey, 1109 00:51:49.239 --> 00:51:51.619 I feel like it's not like, Holy shit. But like 1110 00:51:51.659 --> 00:51:54.380 when angel Reese wears it, it's like angel Reese is 1111 00:51:54.420 --> 00:51:57.050 wearing Dennis Rodman's Jersey. And like, I think that's like a, 1112 00:51:58.019 --> 00:52:00.019 a sting to me and I don't want to sound 1113 00:52:00.059 --> 00:52:03.780 like bitchy at all because again statement like pop off 1114 00:52:04.300 --> 00:52:08.920 but for me as his daughter it's like uh dad 1115 00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:13.449 what the hell like it's just weird no it's like 1116 00:52:13.469 --> 00:52:15.170 those are the things you have to filter and it's 1117 00:52:15.210 --> 00:52:16.329 like okay it's fine it's fine it's. 1118 00:52:16.269 --> 00:52:18.530 Fine yeah but again I think it's like I think 1119 00:52:18.570 --> 00:52:20.570 if I'm taking anything from this it's also like it's 1120 00:52:20.630 --> 00:52:23.630 still a work in progress of like you he is 1121 00:52:23.809 --> 00:52:28.679 your biological father a part of you there is parts 1122 00:52:28.699 --> 00:52:31.179 of him right and so like you love this person 1123 00:52:31.219 --> 00:52:33.199 in ways that you can't describe and as much as 1124 00:52:33.219 --> 00:52:35.699 he hurts you there's those push and pull moments where 1125 00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:38.070 you're like fuck dad why do you have to be 1126 00:52:38.130 --> 00:52:40.610 like this and then i also think it's really inspiring 1127 00:52:40.650 --> 00:52:43.070 to hear you talk about like how you're like no 1128 00:52:43.269 --> 00:52:46.230 i am carving my own path and now can we 1129 00:52:46.269 --> 00:52:48.809 just talk about like you as your own career like 1130 00:52:49.090 --> 00:52:51.929 you are so fucking successful you fucking crush it you 1131 00:52:51.949 --> 00:52:55.230 have a fucking gold medal on your nightstand that you're like, 1132 00:52:55.250 --> 00:52:56.889 I forgot where it is. Where is it again? 1133 00:52:56.989 --> 00:52:57.460 Where is it? 1134 00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:18.780 Winning and succeeding and being so successful and having sponsors and, 1135 00:53:18.980 --> 00:53:21.280 and being a woman in sports in general is so, 1136 00:53:21.789 --> 00:53:26.159 fucking hard to do like how do you fucking enjoy 1137 00:53:26.199 --> 00:53:28.480 it for yourself and don't let this bullshit get to 1138 00:53:28.519 --> 00:53:30.420 you some days like who do you celebrate with who 1139 00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:33.880 do you talk to about your success individual of your dad. 1140 00:53:33.579 --> 00:53:37.340 I don't know I feel like it's really hard to 1141 00:53:37.380 --> 00:53:40.780 celebrate it in the weirdest way like one because it's 1142 00:53:40.800 --> 00:53:43.150 just non-stop all the time and like I'm so grateful 1143 00:53:43.190 --> 00:53:45.429 for every opportunity but sometimes I'm just like I wish 1144

00:53:45.469 --> 00:53:47.050 I had a moment to take a breath and be 1145 00:53:47.090 --> 00:53:52.690 like I did that like holy so To say, like, 1146 00:53:52.809 --> 00:53:56.789 who do I celebrate with? I don't know. Because I 1147 00:53:56.829 --> 00:54:00.659 don't think that I really do. Like, obviously, like, I'm happier. 1148 00:54:00.780 --> 00:54:03.079 I'll watch a clip of, like, the Olympics. The goal. 1149 00:54:03.139 --> 00:54:04.320 I'm like, oh my god. 1150 00:54:04.340 --> 00:54:04.920 Like, ah! 1151 00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:07.460 But it's little moments like that. Like, it's just re-watching 1152 00:54:07.500 --> 00:54:13.940 a clip of something. But I don't think, genuinely, I 1153 00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:18.309 really think or celebrate myself. I think it's more so. 1154 00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:22.739 Especially in interviews and stuff. It's like, how proud are you? 1155 00:54:22.760 --> 00:54:26.079 And it's like, it's such a copy and paste answer 1156 00:54:26.159 --> 00:54:29.280 through every interview. It's just like, I can't even find 1157 00:54:29.300 --> 00:54:32.239 the words. I'm like a robot. I'm like, I'm so happy. 1158 00:54:32.340 --> 00:54:36.500 Like I like, it's indescribable. I'm 22 and have a 1159 00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:39.389 gold medal. And it's like, even in those moments, it's 1160 00:54:39.409 --> 00:54:41.659 like genuinely deep down. I feel so proud of myself, 1161 00:54:41.699 --> 00:54:46.070 but it's so repetitive and so like robotic that I can't, 1162 00:54:46.329 --> 00:54:47.969 I don't think of it that way. I'm just like, 1163 00:54:48.030 --> 00:54:50.079 say it for the media and like, No. 1164 00:54:50.099 --> 00:54:52.780 But I think that's like really fucking relatable. Like I 1165 00:54:52.820 --> 00:54:56.739 think that's not like just you. I think that if 1166 00:54:56.780 --> 00:55:00.099 you ask a lot of people when they have such 1167 00:55:00.300 --> 00:55:04.909 intense success, I think it's so hard to try to 1168 00:55:04.989 --> 00:55:08.190 grasp what's happening in the moment because that would mean 1169 00:55:08.210 --> 00:55:10.309 you have to stop. And I think you need time 1170 00:55:10.449 --> 00:55:13.239 to process as a human being. And I feel like 1171 00:55:13.420 --> 00:55:16.960 it sucks in one way, but you also, especially as athletes, 1172 00:55:17.019 --> 00:55:19.300 it's like you got to keep fucking going because even 1173 00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:20.920 when you win, like you said, what did you say 1174 00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:22.489 to me at the beginning of this? You said, oh, 1175 00:55:22.530 --> 00:55:24.429 I didn't even have time to celebrate the gold because 1176 00:55:24.449 --> 00:55:25.090 what did you go do? 1177 00:55:26.309 --> 00:55:28.929 Go play for a freaking championship. I'm lost. That was annoying. 1178 00:55:29.349 --> 00:55:31.889 But you flew back to America and you played another 1179 00:55:31.909 --> 00:55:33.650 fucking game. No, I literally played I think less than 1180 00:55:33.690 --> 00:55:36.679 a week after I got back. No, that was just 1181 00:55:36.699 --> 00:55:38.880 a lie I lied. I think it was like a 1182 00:55:38.900 --> 00:55:40.260 week and a half. But I played in the first 1183 00:55:40.280 --> 00:55:43.610 game back and it was scored. but still my legs 1184 00:55:43.630 --> 00:55:44.829 were on fire and I was dying. 1185 00:55:45.989 --> 00:55:49.929 I think women are obviously so scrutinized in general, but 1186 00:55:50.070 --> 00:55:52.750 sports specifically, I think has been like a huge topic 1187 00:55:53.050 --> 00:55:55.590 recently in a great way. But what do you think 1188 00:55:55.690 --> 00:55:58.550 is the hardest part about being a female athlete? 1189 00:55:58.869 --> 00:55:59.570 Oh my gosh. 1190 00:56:00.010 --> 00:56:01.159 I know you're like two of nine hours. 1191 00:56:02.840 --> 00:56:10.280 Um, I think the recognition for one, I think even 1192 00:56:10.300 --> 00:56:12.639 just in conversation, it's like, Oh, who do you play 1193 00:56:12.659 --> 00:56:14.860 for a spirit? And they're like, what's that? I'm like, uh, 1194 00:56:15.800 --> 00:56:19.820 but I'm like, I don't know. I would say recognition pay, 1195 00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:22.900 obviously like even just being on media. And it's like, 1196 00:56:23.019 --> 00:56:26.519 obviously NBA NFL makes way more money, has way more viewers, 1197 00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:29.730 like not taking that away. But I think seeing the 1198 00:56:29.789 --> 00:56:32.889 contracts and then looking at ours, I'm just like, fuck, 1199 00:56:33.550 --> 00:56:35.489 I'm so grateful to be making the money that I 1200 00:56:35.530 --> 00:56:37.969 make right now at my age. But I look and 1201 00:56:38.010 --> 00:56:43.800 I'm just like, ah, just like but also i'd say 1202 00:56:43.840 --> 00:56:48.690 another big thing is like the human aspect of it 1203 00:56:48.929 --> 00:56:53.610 like i just feel like with male sports with men 1204 00:56:53.650 --> 00:56:59.389 it's like they're out here going to concerts on stage 1205 00:56:59.510 --> 00:57:01.559 going to clubs going to all this and it's like 1206 00:57:01.880 --> 00:57:05.039 oh here this person is at a club drinking like 1207 00:57:05.079 --> 00:57:07.019 two nights before a game and it's just like okay 1208 00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:09.719 normal But it's like, I feel like me and my 1209 00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:12.179 teammates will go out one night on an off weekend 1210 00:57:12.199 --> 00:57:13.860 and we're like, we see a camera and we're like, 1211 00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:15.699 oh my gosh, what if, what if our coach finds out? 1212 00:57:15.739 --> 00:57:17.800 What if somebody posts it? Like, and we're not even 1213 00:57:17.840 --> 00:57:19.980 getting drunk. Like we're just going to like be in 1214 00:57:20.039 --> 00:57:21.619 public and just like feel the vibes. 1215 00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:21.909 Yeah. 1216 00:57:21.929 --> 00:57:23.780

Just like feel like something. 1217 00:57:25.969 --> 00:57:28.150 We're just here to feel something. We're dead sober. We've 1218 00:57:28.170 --> 00:57:29.750 had like half of a cocktail. 1219 00:57:29.789 --> 00:57:31.429 I'm like drinking Red Bull the whole time. 1220 00:57:31.449 --> 00:57:31.550 Okay. 1221 00:57:31.570 --> 00:57:35.739 Um, No, but I get what you're saying. It's like 1222 00:57:35.780 --> 00:57:39.230 the double standard of like, why can't, and it, again, though, 1223 00:57:39.269 --> 00:57:41.610 like it hasn't changed though, I guess is what we're 1224 00:57:41.630 --> 00:57:45.050 also saying. It's like your dad was known for, I 1225 00:57:45.090 --> 00:57:47.949 watched the Michael Jordan doc on like the, whatever the fuck, 1226 00:57:47.969 --> 00:57:49.070 the last something. 1227 00:57:49.110 --> 00:57:49.429 Sorry. 1228 00:57:49.489 --> 00:57:50.650 Oh my God. All the people. 1229 00:57:50.750 --> 00:57:50.849 Yeah. 1230 00:57:50.869 --> 00:57:51.610 The last dance. Sorry. 1231 00:57:52.230 --> 00:57:53.150 I do know that fact. 1232 00:57:53.769 --> 00:57:55.949 The last dance. And he's on a flight to Vegas 1233 00:57:56.010 --> 00:57:57.510 and he comes back and he shows up in the 1234 00:57:57.550 --> 00:57:58.969 middle and he's ready for the game. And it's like, 1235 00:57:59.329 --> 00:58:03.570 if women behaved the same way that men did, it just, 1236 00:58:03.809 --> 00:58:06.340 you wouldn't be in the position you're in because we 1237 00:58:06.380 --> 00:58:10.820 are expected to act differently and to speak differently in 1238 00:58:10.860 --> 00:58:15.320 media and to present ourselves differently. And it's exhausting. And 1239 00:58:15.360 --> 00:58:18.760 especially when you're getting to see men act a certain 1240 00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:22.550 way and get bigger paychecks, like it fucking sucks. It sucks. 1241 00:58:22.710 --> 00:58:26.940 Yeah, it does. Definitely. And I think, yeah, it's just annoying. 1242 00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:28.340 It's just annoying. 1243 00:58:28.360 --> 00:58:31.079 No, but can I say, I do really respect you 1244 00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:33.400 for sitting down with me today for a numerous amount 1245 00:58:33.420 --> 00:58:38.960 of reasons. But when talking about the women in sports, 1246 00:58:39.159 --> 00:58:43.070 I feel like something that as someone that used to play, 1247 00:58:43.090 --> 00:58:45.150 but doesn't play anymore and is now in media, like 1248 00:58:45.530 --> 00:58:49.550 I think something that can contribute to the sports growing 1249 00:58:49.949 --> 00:58:50.369 is this. 1250 00:58:50.630 --> 00:58:50.889 Yeah. 1251 00:58:51.050 --> 00:58:56.489 Is, the athletes becoming more well known for who they 1252 00:58:56.670 --> 00:58:59.900 are individual of the sport because sports are fucking amazing 1253 00:58:59.940 --> 00:59:03.480 we love sports but who is Trinity Rodman outside of 1254 00:59:03.820 --> 00:59:06.030 being on the field and like I think that's what 1255 00:59:06.070 --> 00:59:09.449 gets people so fucking excited and incentivized on top of 1256 00:59:09.489 --> 00:59:11.699 being a great big sports lover like there may be 1257 00:59:12.030 --> 00:59:14.159 some people I remember doing my show and people were 1258 00:59:14.179 --> 00:59:16.639 like oh fuck I like watched soccer games and I've 1259 00:59:16.699 --> 00:59:18.079 never watched a soccer game in my life but I 1260 00:59:18.099 --> 00:59:20.079 just like tuned in because like I listen to Call 1261 00:59:20.099 --> 00:59:21.960 Her Daddy and like now I kind of love it 1262 00:59:21.980 --> 00:59:24.320 and it's like whatever we can do to get people 1263 00:59:24.360 --> 00:59:26.820 to tune in I think is so important because like 1264 00:59:26.880 --> 00:59:30.230 women do deserve the recognition that they don't get. So 1265 00:59:30.429 --> 00:59:33.260 I appreciate you fucking speaking up, even if it's about 1266 00:59:33.280 --> 00:59:34.610 something that you didn't want to talk about. 1267 00:59:34.840 --> 00:59:37.059 Well, no, no. Like I appreciate it too. Even if 1268 00:59:37.139 --> 00:59:40.280 it makes me uncomfortable, I think too, like obviously like 1269 00:59:40.320 --> 00:59:42.280 getting to know the person outside the sport, but also 1270 00:59:42.320 --> 00:59:45.519 like we are going to have a life outside of soccer. 1271 00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:48.159 Like if an injury happens or when we retire, like 1272 00:59:48.199 --> 00:59:49.920 you can only play so long. So it's like, what 1273 00:59:49.960 --> 00:59:52.619 is our life after that? And like, if we're only 1274 00:59:52.679 --> 00:59:55.230 known for soccer, it is so hard to pick up 1275 00:59:55.269 --> 00:59:57.070 the pieces and figure out what you're doing after that. 1276 00:59:57.460 --> 01:00:00.179 So I think for me, even growing up, anyone close 1277 01:00:00.219 --> 01:00:03.590 to me could tell you that I've always wanted soccer. 1278 01:00:03.610 --> 01:00:07.110 I've always wanted to be an Olympic athlete, World Cup winner, everything. 1279 01:00:07.150 --> 01:00:10.030 But through everything, I've always said, I don't want soccer 1280 01:00:10.050 --> 01:00:12.820 to be my entire bane of existence. I don't want 1281 01:00:12.840 --> 01:00:14.840 to live, die, breathe soccer. And I know a lot 1282 01:00:14.860 --> 01:00:17.980 of athletes that do. Yeah. Respect. But I just think 1283 01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:23.610 in the future, live, die, breathe soccer is not going 1284 01:00:23.619 --> 01:00:25.550 to help me in the long run. And then I'm 1285 01:00:25.570 --> 01:00:27.510 just going to feel like I lack purpose once I'm 1286 01:00:27.530 --> 01:00:28.010 done playing. 1287 01:00:28.449 --> 01:00:28.710 Yeah. 1288 01:00:28.730 --> 01:00:30.650 And I feel like I'm trying to figure that out. 1289 01:00:30.789 --> 01:00:33.550 But yeah, moments like this really helped me. Yeah. 1290 01:00:33.590 --> 01:00:36.030 Look at your personality shining. You walk around with your 1291 01:00:36.150 --> 01:00:37.969 ass out waiting for your boyfriend to smack your ass. 1292 01:00:38.170 --> 01:00:39.510 Your outfit. What's happening? 1293 01:00:39.530 --> 01:00:40.269 Your outfit. 1294 01:00:40.289 --> 01:00:41.269 My sweat's dripping down my head. 1295 01:00:41.289 --> 01:00:42.309 So I know I'm sweating. 1296 01:00:42.349 --> 01:00:42.670 Okay. 1297 01:00:42.690 --> 01:00:45.989 Last question. What do you want your legacy in the 1298 01:00:46.030 --> 01:00:47.010 sport to be? 1299 01:00:47.829 --> 01:00:50.690 I feel like my answer is simple. Just like I 1300 01:00:50.750 --> 01:00:53.659 want to be the athlete that brought the fun and 1301 01:00:54.269 --> 01:00:57.469 To sport. That simple. I don't want to be the 1302 01:00:57.510 --> 01:00:59.670 one that scored a thousand goals. Like I don't need 1303 01:00:59.690 --> 01:01:01.510 to be the person that was like, she was the 1304 01:01:01.550 --> 01:01:03.190 best athlete. I want to be like, she was a 1305 01:01:03.210 --> 01:01:05.550 great athlete, but she also made it fun to watch 1306 01:01:05.590 --> 01:01:11.139 and be a part of. Ooh, drop the mic. Period. That. 1307 01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:11.739 That. 1308 01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:13.400 Trinity. Life's too short. 1309 01:01:13.940 --> 01:01:15.519 Thank you so much for coming on Call Her Daddy. 1310 01:01:15.579 --> 01:01:16.440 You crushed. Yeah. 1311 01:01:16.579 --> 01:01:22.409 Thanks for listening to me. Thank you. Thank you.