Full Transcript for BPS 482: How a Hollywood Creature Creator Made His First Feature Film with Hiroshi Katagiri

00:04:19.839 start building your own. It's many ways you can get 71 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:22.839 the instructions, you know, from internet or just you. You 72 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:26.360 you've gotta iss you like it. That's a proof that 73 00:04:26.439 --> 00:04:30.360 the issue without the forcing by anybody, if you if 74 00:04:30.399 --> 00:04:33.360 you can start building your own you know something anything. 75 00:04:34.079 --> 00:04:37.079 So that's the uh, that's the first advice. You know, 76 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:40.759 you have to like it, then you have to prove it. 77 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:43.759 So building your portfolio to start. 78 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:48.000 Yeah, that's really good advice. Yeah, and I think that 79 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:50.160 that's true too for you know, if if they want 80 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:53.079 to be a writer a director, and you know, they 81 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:56.759 have to you know, it's it's a little easier now, 82 00:04:56.839 --> 00:04:59.959 they say, because obviously with with the way cameras are now, 83 00:05:00.279 --> 00:05:02.839 you can you don't now need to shoot on film anymore. 84 00:05:02.879 --> 00:05:05.560 You can you know, shoot on digital and you could yeah, 85 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:08.680 and you know, but with special effects like that, you 86 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:10.600 still need to have makeup. You still need to, you know, 87 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:12.720 mold things like you do. I mean you make those, 88 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:14.279 I mean amazing. I saw that one you do a 89 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:16.680 Pacific rim and you had that mini Buddele and I 90 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:18.160 mean that was just amazing artwork. 91 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:18.959 Thank you. 92 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:22.040 And uh and I also saw the thing a different 93 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:25.120 Cabin in the woods you made Merman. Yeah, and I 94 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:27.720 mean that that is you know, that takes a lot 95 00:05:27.720 --> 00:05:31.839 of artistic ability to do that. Yeah, even with the 96 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:34.399 even with the advent of the digital. But I mean, yeah, 97 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:36.639 I can see what you mean. So do you recommend 98 00:05:36.839 --> 00:05:40.000 that anybody who wants to do this, do you recommend 99 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:40.839 they should be in l A. 100 00:05:42.319 --> 00:05:44.800 Well not really. You know, nowadays it's the la it's 101 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:47.720 the I would say, like a lost place for working 102 00:05:47.759 --> 00:05:52.000 for the major movie. Yeah, I recommend go to like 103 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:57.959 Vancouver or the London mm hmm. Yeah, they're making more 104 00:05:58.160 --> 00:05:59.399 movies now over there. 105 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:03.199 Yeah. And uh, you know, Georgia was just ranked as 106 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:05.759 the number one place in America right now that's making movies. 107 00:06:06.040 --> 00:06:07.639 Oh really Georgia. Wow? 108 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:09.279 And number two is Louisiana. 109 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:12.120 Yeah. I've been there a couple of times for several 110 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:12.879 different movies. 111 00:06:13.879 --> 00:06:15.040 Oh really, really, Louisiana. 112 00:06:15.519 --> 00:06:19.920 Yeah, the green lantern and the oh no, just a 113 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:20.560 green lantern. 114 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:25.040 Yeah, so what models did you make, what special effects? 115 00:06:25.160 --> 00:06:26.439 What did you do for the green lantern? 116 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:31.920 During the Abncer character? Yeah, yeah, I sculpted the makeup 117 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:36.279 for Abincer and dead body of him. 118 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:36.920 Oh cool. 119 00:06:37.319 --> 00:06:46.720 Yeah, and uh, makeup design for Sinestro Ellen. Yeah, so 120 00:06:46.879 --> 00:06:50.079 just the first makeup design that I sculpted on his 121 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:56.040 life cast and just you know, for the test. 122 00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:59.199 Sinest is played by Mark Strong. And was it turned 123 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:00.439 It was pretty good? 124 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:08.759 Well work, Yeah, it's an unfortunately, really it was horrible. Yeah. 125 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:14.360 And the many digital digital characters, then the Avinsa stands 126 00:07:14.360 --> 00:07:16.959 out pretty well because it was makeup mm hmm. 127 00:07:17.560 --> 00:07:20.199 Yeah, and uh and Sinestra on the and you know 128 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:21.639 some of the villains and that were just some of 129 00:07:21.680 --> 00:07:22.720 the most minerable parts. 130 00:07:22.959 --> 00:07:24.839 Oh yeah, the Hector too. Yeah. Yeah. 131 00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:29.680 So so you know, around two thousand and six, yeah, 132 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:31.959 you've been working for for a couple of years, you 133 00:07:32.439 --> 00:07:36.399 decided to direct your own short film, Interest Pulse. Yeah. 134 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:41.000 What experiences did you encounter when you first made that film? 135 00:07:41.240 --> 00:07:43.360 The biggest issue for me is, you know, I'm not 136 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:47.720 the native English speaker, so the writing is the biggest issue. 137 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:51.920 So yeah, I just started writing, and I think I 138 00:07:52.040 --> 00:07:56.480 started in Japanese and then just I made the English 139 00:07:56.519 --> 00:07:59.759 myself and I just give it to my friend American friend, 140 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:04.480 and he the correct or the language mistake, and he 141 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:08.120 brings me back and then when I see that and 142 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:11.319 the new ones and some details like if I feel different, 143 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:13.439 then I just change it then just giving him back. 144 00:08:13.519 --> 00:08:17.120 So just back and forth so many times to

get 145 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:19.600 the script. So it took me like I was working 146 00:08:19.639 --> 00:08:22.560 full time in the makeup effects industry also, so it 147 00:08:22.560 --> 00:08:27.680 took me six months before I start filming. So that's 148 00:08:27.319 --> 00:08:31.800 the biggest hardest thing, you know, for starting the movie. 149 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:38.799 And also I'm pretty specific about the visuo how to shoot, 150 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:43.600 and so the script has to be done and I 151 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:47.440 have to be in my mind has to be completed, 152 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:49.879 you know, film has to be finished in my mind 153 00:08:49.960 --> 00:08:56.600 before I shoot. So it's harder before shoot, then then 154 00:08:56.679 --> 00:08:59.399 once shooting starts. In schools a little bit easier because 155 00:08:59.399 --> 00:09:00.840 I have vision already. 156 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:06.399 So yeah, so do you storyboard a lot or just 157 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:07.679 mainly have it in your head? 158 00:09:07.960 --> 00:09:09.639 Yeah, a storyboard yep. 159 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:12.519 So you know, I found that to be a very 160 00:09:12.519 --> 00:09:15.879 invaluable tool as well is that, you know, storyboarding and 161 00:09:15.919 --> 00:09:19.080 even I don't think they're in my opinion, I don't 162 00:09:19.120 --> 00:09:21.519 think you can really storyboard too much because if you 163 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:24.840 break down it into very even most minute details and 164 00:09:25.080 --> 00:09:27.840 have it along the wall, or have it or however 165 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:29.879 in a pamphlet lever, I think it really helps not 166 00:09:29.919 --> 00:09:32.399 only you but everybody else understand what actually is going on. 167 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:35.039 In the movie. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yep. 168 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:38.120 And so you know, I had David Hall on the podcast. 169 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:40.399 I don't know if you're familiar with David Holly as 170 00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:43.840 a script consultant, but he always recommends having horror as 171 00:09:43.879 --> 00:09:48.080 your first project. Yeah, because horror movies are you know, 172 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:52.360 quote unquote easier to do because obviously horror is a 173 00:09:52.480 --> 00:09:53.759 character of the movie itself. 174 00:09:55.360 --> 00:09:57.879 We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 175 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:02.759 and now back to the show. 176 00:10:04.399 --> 00:10:07.759 You don't have to depend on actors per se, you 177 00:10:07.759 --> 00:10:09.720 don't have to depend on a location per se. But 178 00:10:09.799 --> 00:10:13.200 you know, horror is sort of it sort of goes 179 00:10:13.240 --> 00:10:16.600 across all boundaries and all cultures and all language barriers. 180 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:20.600 Do you feel the same, Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 181 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:24.720

So then after as you shot a pulse, you've shot 182 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:27.519 two of the short films which are crayon and Hindsight. 183 00:10:28.000 --> 00:10:30.360 Now did you now with polst crayon on Hindsight, did 184 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:31.840 you craft on any of these projects? 185 00:10:32.919 --> 00:10:33.759 What's the question? 186 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:38.080 Did I with a post crayon on Hindsight? Did did 187 00:10:38.080 --> 00:10:39.919 you crowd find any of those projects? 188 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:43.559 No, it's all my personal money, but the money I 189 00:10:43.639 --> 00:10:47.600 spent for all three movies, but maybe like three thousands 190 00:10:47.679 --> 00:10:51.279 all together. And the first of all, you know, it's 191 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:54.240 all the effects pretty much free, because you know I 192 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:58.039 do and I have a friends, and all I need 193 00:10:58.759 --> 00:11:02.080 is material. And then of course all my friends helped 194 00:11:02.200 --> 00:11:06.799 everybody like actors and DP and I didn't have to 195 00:11:06.840 --> 00:11:10.279 rent anything or the pay to anybody. And I was 196 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:13.120 so fortunate, you know, I got the all talented people 197 00:11:13.200 --> 00:11:17.240 just helping out. So and also just writing is so important, 198 00:11:17.320 --> 00:11:20.480 So I just write the story. I decided the location first. 199 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:23.360 Then okay, so here, I see, I gotta use this house. 200 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:27.879 Then everything, every drama is gonna happen in just this house. 201 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:32.240 Then what can I make? So that's my start to 202 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:35.799 make the movie, so which I I know I can't 203 00:11:35.799 --> 00:11:38.879 spend too much money, so then I just yet location. 204 00:11:39.039 --> 00:11:42.720 It's so important. Then I just think of the idea, 205 00:11:43.279 --> 00:11:45.759 what can I do you know, to to shoot in 206 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:48.799 a single location make it interesting? 207 00:11:49.519 --> 00:11:54.480 So and you know errors that idea has seen that 208 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:57.600 it works very well too in recent years with like 209 00:11:57.639 --> 00:12:00.840 your paranormal activity that I have shot in Orren's house 210 00:12:00.879 --> 00:12:03.600 and it made hundreds of millions of dollars and yeah, 211 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:08.480 a thirteen thousand dollars budget. And when you shot these movies, Horoshi, 212 00:12:08.600 --> 00:12:10.399 did you have a skeleton crew or did you drive 213 00:12:10.919 --> 00:12:11.840 a fairly large crew? 214 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:18.919 Oh? Skeleton crew. It's the very minimum, maybe twelve people 215 00:12:19.080 --> 00:12:23.120 all toogether, and sometimes like four people in some day 216 00:12:23.200 --> 00:12:27.799 and there's four people everybody, including an actor. Yeah that's 217 00:12:28.600 -->

00:12:32.840 the wasting one DP me, one actor and one eighty 218 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:33.600 that's all. 219 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:40.519 So now you put those three shorts together at DVD work, 220 00:12:40.519 --> 00:12:43.600 can people finally a hord theater as for that's the 221 00:12:43.639 --> 00:12:46.200 name involve Thro Movies combined. Where can people buy that 222 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:47.240 hard Theater DVD? 223 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:50.919 Oh just check on the Amazon then starched by j 224 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:52.799 Horra Theater then you can find it. 225 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:55.799 Okay, Yeah, I'll put it into that two up on 226 00:12:55.840 --> 00:12:56.440 the show notes. 227 00:12:56.639 --> 00:12:58.639 Yeah, thank you well. Also, and you can just watch 228 00:12:58.679 --> 00:13:00.240 it free on my YouTube channel. 229 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:03.000 I'll put a note. I'll go link to that too. 230 00:13:03.240 --> 00:13:04.320 Yeah. 231 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:07.879 So, so when you were making these movies, Toro, and 232 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:09.840 as you make films today, you know, who are your 233 00:13:09.879 --> 00:13:11.720 filmmaking inspirations. 234 00:13:12.679 --> 00:13:14.600 It's a yeah, it's a tough question. There's so many. 235 00:13:15.200 --> 00:13:19.600 And uh, when I was younger, my favorite director was 236 00:13:19.639 --> 00:13:23.120 the Robot Themikis. So I love the like Back to 237 00:13:23.159 --> 00:13:30.000 the Future series, especially it's so entertainment, and it's the 238 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:33.799 the horror too. And I take The Horrors not as 239 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:37.080 a scary movie, but you know, still entertainment movie. And 240 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:43.679 I have to entertain audience. And Themikis was and Spielberg 241 00:13:43.759 --> 00:13:47.919 and of course and those those guys are incredible for 242 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:52.080 amusing people. I mean later period, you know, they changed, 243 00:13:52.679 --> 00:13:57.279 but the earlier days especially and of course Cameron, James 244 00:13:57.279 --> 00:14:01.840 Cameron and uh yeah, a huge influence. And especially the 245 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:06.200 fact I was like a fifteen years old and there's 246 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:11.000 a double feature in Japan, uh, Aliens and The Fly 247 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:18.240 and Shocking Day. Shocking Day. Yeah, just watch the Aliens 248 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:22.279 and blow my mind. So amazing. And I was expected, Okay, 249 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:24.360 no way, it's no way. It's the next gonna be 250 00:14:24.480 --> 00:14:27.320 next to the movie, will be as big as this 251 00:14:27.399 --> 00:14:30.879 one and then watch The Fly and its amazing too, 252 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:38.679 so much in one day. And as there's a huge 253 00:14:38.879 --> 00:14:42.080 influence for me like a James Cameron and The Cloning 254 00:14:42.159 --> 00:14:49.240 burg Yeah, and as many many directors, many movies. You know, 255 00:14:49.320 --> 00:14:56.000 it's like I can't speak forever, but horror movie. Yeah. 256 00:14:55.679 --> 00:14:59.440 As I mentioned on my project, is the uh that 257 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:03.600 why I Zone got a huge influence. You know, it's 258 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:10.120 the it's really low budget and depending on the actors 259 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:14.720 performance and idea of the story and always you know, 260 00:15:14.759 --> 00:15:18.600 there's ending. It's got it's really shocking and surprise ending 261 00:15:19.559 --> 00:15:23.600 and that's the model of my story always. You know, 262 00:15:23.639 --> 00:15:29.639 it's the I was so interesting to just keep watching 263 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:34.799 and then at the end just uh surprising, Yeah, just 264 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:39.559 the yeah, all setup is it's just amazing. So probably 265 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:43.039 you know, the biggest influence me is the those t 266 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:45.759 White eight Zone, especially for my movie. 267 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:50.919 Yeah, so you know, I'm a big fan of Jay Horror. 268 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:54.879 You know, I just heard that the remaking audition, which 269 00:15:54.919 --> 00:15:59.600 is by Takashi McKay. Really yeah, they were making American 270 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:03.679 made audition. Now, okay, so have you seen audition? Yeah, 271 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:06.600 of course, yeah, you know, and you know that reminds me, 272 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:09.639 they're the same model where it's almost like there was 273 00:16:09.679 --> 00:16:13.519 another the feature like Pulse and there's like the one 274 00:16:13.600 --> 00:16:18.039 miscall and there's a whole with Jay Hart. It's more 275 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:21.600 of an unsettling I guess I would say, yeah, the 276 00:16:22.159 --> 00:16:24.399 actual scare or herror, you know what if it don't 277 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:26.279 mean but but it does it very well. And I 278 00:16:26.600 --> 00:16:29.679 was just wondering, you know, how good the audition, because 279 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:33.639 the Japanese audition was was pretty gory. Yeah, so the 280 00:16:33.799 --> 00:16:36.000 thing I don't think they'd be able to do Ami version. 281 00:16:38.600 --> 00:16:42.120 Yeah, my uh scaredness taste is more. Yeah, j horror. 282 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:47.320 It's the Japanese like a creepy style and auditionally excellent movie. 283 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:51.279 I love it too, but I'm not good at the 284 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:58.559 like a torture or the painful scene or movie. Yeah, 285 00:16:58.639 --> 00:17:02.000 it's the Evil Dead. I loved Evil Dead, you know 286 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:05.559 the first one, the reasonal one Sam rhymes yes, And 287 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:08.839 there's a scene of the stabbing is the ankle with 288 00:17:09.000 --> 00:17:13.279 the pencil. That scene I couldn't watch, you know,

I 289 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:17.039 watch the countest time of you know that movie, and 290 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:21.079 only that scene I couldn't watch as always closed my eyes. 291 00:17:23.400 --> 00:17:27.759 So you have a new project called Khanna acts. It's 292 00:17:27.799 --> 00:17:30.960 your first film project, so so why don't you tell 293 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:34.359 us about this? Akahana saidstory. I know this is, you know, 294 00:17:35.279 --> 00:17:37.440 your first feature film. I know it's it's very important, 295 00:17:37.599 --> 00:17:38.599 so why don't you tell us about it? 296 00:17:39.319 --> 00:17:43.079 Yeah? So I so the next big step is that 297 00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:45.799 can make feature film. I made the three shorts already 298 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:50.839 and then uh so the feature film. I just needed 299 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:54.440 the great idea. And also I'm gonna take advantage of 300 00:17:54.559 --> 00:17:57.160 my background, which is I was born and grown up 301 00:17:57.200 --> 00:18:01.640 in Japan. And then I mean, I'm in the industry 302 00:18:01.720 --> 00:18:06.640 for like over twenty years in the American uh makeup 303 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:10.799 effects industry. So then I was thinking, what can I do, 304 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:16.039 you know, to take those advantages. So then I I 305 00:18:16.200 --> 00:18:19.319 found a good location, which is taxt Place in Saipan, 306 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:23.559 so sideplane is the huge battlefield between Japan and America 307 00:18:23.839 --> 00:18:31.519 during the World War Two. And then then also the location, 308 00:18:32.519 --> 00:18:34.920 I know it's it's gonna be frost feature movies, so 309 00:18:34.960 --> 00:18:37.359 I cannot spend too much money, so I just the 310 00:18:37.440 --> 00:18:42.839 thinking of the story that's the text place in isolated place, 311 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:46.960 which is the Japanese secret military base from World War Two. 312 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:52.519 Then I got a great idea for that and so 313 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:57.400 it started maybe just got this idea, start writing maybe 314 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:02.400 eight years ago, and took so long as the as 315 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:06.039 may you know, complete the script and I show my friends, 316 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:10.319 correct everything as they read, change it many times, and 317 00:19:10.720 --> 00:19:12.880 I try to apply for like a Japanese movie. I 318 00:19:13.079 --> 00:19:17.160 just rewrite everything in Japanese also, and trying to the 319 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:23.160 pitch to the direct producer of the Wing and when 320 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:27.880 he told me he's looking for English the script, so 321 00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:31.079 then just rewrite that. So it's the crazy story. So 322 00:19:31.160 --> 00:19:34.440 it took me like seven eight years to complete the 323 00:19:34.559 --> 00:19:37.599 one script. And of course because

you know, I'm working 324 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:40.920 full time in the makeup effects industry. But anyway, so 325 00:19:41.960 --> 00:19:46.799 this movie is so important, you know, so all my desire, 326 00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:51.319 long time desires is in it, and I'm just spending 327 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:56.480 all my effort to make it really really interesting movie 328 00:19:56.720 --> 00:19:57.640 and a scary movie. 329 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:03.279 So we'll be right back after a word from our 330 00:20:03.319 --> 00:20:08.680 sponsor and now back to the show. 331 00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:14.640 Yeah, anything more I should speak about the and just 332 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:18.119 the synopsis of so far of Gahana is yeah, uh, 333 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:20.720 you know, an American real estate agent finds, you know, 334 00:20:20.839 --> 00:20:24.920 looking for a real estate project in in Saipan, and 335 00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:28.200 you know she ends up finding you know this World 336 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:32.759 War two uh bunker in this place, and then obviously 337 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:35.359 that's where you know all hell brings. 338 00:20:36.079 --> 00:20:39.680 Yeah, yeah, And as they encounter the creepy, super creepy 339 00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:42.400 old man which you can see in the my Kickstart 340 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:47.920 A campaign Doug Jones playing it, and then accidentally they 341 00:20:48.279 --> 00:20:53.400 killed the old man. Then some explosion happening, so you 342 00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:56.559 don't know the cause of explosion. Then everybody knock knocked 343 00:20:56.599 --> 00:21:00.319 down to the floor and lose conscious. Then when they cup, 344 00:21:00.799 --> 00:21:03.480 then old man's gone. And before that they find the 345 00:21:03.799 --> 00:21:07.319 dried up cops from somewhere it looks like a Caucasian 346 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:12.440 in a Japanese military base. Then then all those cops 347 00:21:12.599 --> 00:21:17.319 is gone too. Then also the exit is closed, so 348 00:21:17.440 --> 00:21:23.359 they are trapped inside. And then just right on the 349 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:26.839 way too, you know, the looking for the exit from there, 350 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:31.279 then they encounter the the like a mysterious series of 351 00:21:31.400 --> 00:21:36.160 mysterious events, and each one has the fear for something. 352 00:21:36.880 --> 00:21:41.200 Then then they have a hallucination or they experienced the 353 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:47.880 those fear each one. Then yeah, then then at the end, 354 00:21:47.960 --> 00:21:50.799 you know there's the all the answering who was the 355 00:21:50.839 --> 00:21:54.400 old man or the where the dead body gone? And 356 00:21:55.599 --> 00:21:58.160 if they can get out or not. You know, every 357 00:21:58.240 --> 00:22:00.319 answer is you know, there's there's surprising. 358 00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:04.359 At the end, awesome and it does sound really cool. 359 00:22:04.359 --> 00:22:08.400 I've actually I've actually pledged your kickstarter and uh, you 360 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:10.839 know I watched the video twice. It actually is very 361 00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:11.440 well done. 362 00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:12.240 Oh thank you? 363 00:22:12.599 --> 00:22:15.720 Uh and uh so? And also how did you end 364 00:22:15.799 --> 00:22:17.839 up getting Doug Jones on the project? And for those 365 00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:19.960 who don't know who Doug Jones is, He's done a 366 00:22:20.039 --> 00:22:24.880 vol you know, a lot of work with uh uh. 367 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:32.119 Del Toro, Yeah, Panz Labins, Yeah, heh boy, Eddies a 368 00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:38.720 PM and uh angel O death many any any skinny 369 00:22:39.279 --> 00:22:45.240 creatures in fording Sky TV right now. Yeah, he's an idiom. 370 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:48.480 Yeah, thanks helped me out there. He appreciate I forgot 371 00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:53.400 his movie for pans Labyrinth. But how did you get 372 00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:54.680 on board the project? 373 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:59.279 Okaydkna is of course you know famous among us, you know, 374 00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:04.160 I I worked with him for many many different films 375 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:09.920 like A Time Machine or The Doom and the her Boy, 376 00:23:11.319 --> 00:23:17.759 Her Boy too, Buffy, the Vampireslayer, There's so many as 377 00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:23.079 the every time when we make something skinny character, it's 378 00:23:23.119 --> 00:23:27.640 always him. Yes, he knows me and I know him 379 00:23:28.279 --> 00:23:31.680 and uh and I just email him that if he 380 00:23:31.759 --> 00:23:36.079 could support my kickstarter project and he yeah, and he's 381 00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:39.519 just totally cool, such a nice guy. 382 00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:44.119 And that's amazing, and uh it just goes to show you, 383 00:23:44.359 --> 00:23:47.000 you know, you have to make relationships in this business. 384 00:23:47.480 --> 00:23:50.759 Yeah, yeah, it's so fortunate. Yep. 385 00:23:51.559 --> 00:23:54.160 So so HEROSI. What are your plans for the release 386 00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:54.799 for Gahana? 387 00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:58.519 Oh the plan for for the release? 388 00:23:59.000 --> 00:24:02.079 Are you opening to thiss theaters or just like vod Yeah? 389 00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:08.079 Yeah, my Uh the ideality love to release in the theater. Then, 390 00:24:08.319 --> 00:24:10.680 uh so there's a way. That's the reason I'm using 391 00:24:10.720 --> 00:24:13.680 a Kickstarter is you know, there's a several ways to 392 00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:16.799 get funded for movies. So I could approach to a 393 00:24:16.920 --> 00:24:21.359 distribution company to to get funded and if they like, 394 00:24:21.599 --> 00:24:28.160 of course, but what comes with it with the money 395 00:24:28.359 --> 00:24:33.839 is the their control for the movie. So it's a 396

00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:37.359 lot of things. The Uah, My my plan is before 397 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:42.559 looking for distribute distributor, I make just great, great film. 398 00:24:43.720 --> 00:24:47.799 Then then I just look for the distribution. So that's 399 00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:51.119 the yea, that's this idea. 400 00:24:52.359 --> 00:24:57.279 Very cool. Yeah, so you're you're currently you know, crowdfunding 401 00:24:57.799 --> 00:25:00.720 on your kickstore for Gahana. Yeah, I'm going to link 402 00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:05.079 to the kickstart in the show notes. So I mean, honestly, 403 00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:09.200 if anyone's listening, I really recommend you check out Hiroshi's 404 00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:11.720 video for it. I check out, you know, the project page, 405 00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:14.680 because it's actually a very cool, well done video. It 406 00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:16.119 looks like it's gonna be a great project. 407 00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:17.279 Thank you. 408 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:22.599 And Roshie. So, you know, in closing, what were any 409 00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:24.799 projects you have in mind for the future. I know 410 00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:26.400 you probably dont want to answer that question because you're 411 00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:28.960 so busy with Gahana, But but is. 412 00:25:28.960 --> 00:25:32.799 There Yeah, I do, I do it. Yeah. So I 413 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:36.279 have another script called the Basido. You know, it's the 414 00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:40.160 uh it's a job I practiced I kiddo for like 415 00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:42.400 a twenty three years, in the same as my career 416 00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:45.160 twenty three years, so it is my instructor. I just 417 00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:49.680 the wrote a script to show the value of the 418 00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:53.000 baser Rats. So American Guy's a main character and it 419 00:25:53.079 --> 00:25:56.799 takes place in Japan. It's like last summer I meet 420 00:25:57.000 --> 00:26:01.400 Karate Kid. And but you know, that's a bigger, bigger movie. 421 00:26:02.119 --> 00:26:05.319 So then I need to you know, of course I 422 00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:09.559 want to direct. Then in order to direct that, then 423 00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:13.160 I have to make smaller movie to start, and as 424 00:26:13.359 --> 00:26:16.880 I need the experience to direct the feature film. So then, 425 00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:19.640 which you know, Agahina is my first film. It's a 426 00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:23.880 low budget and takes advantage of my career. So the 427 00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:30.039 second one, I'm looking for making the action, but I 428 00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:35.160 want to create a bunch of characters creatures and the 429 00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:39.920 characters which the cool makeup effects, so something you know, 430 00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:43.039 I can get the expots of course, and all my 431 00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:45.680 friends got to support me for that. It's the other 432 00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:52.400 cool practical effects Christian movie with action. Yeah, you know, 433 00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:57.839 a ninja scroll. Yeah, it's something like that. But again 434 00:26:57.920 --> 00:26:59.680 you're trying to make it cheap too. Like it takes 435 00:26:59.720 --> 00:27:03.559 place in one mountain, so you know, guy wakes up 436 00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:10.359 and he he he has no memory, and he's wondering 437 00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:14.119 who he is. And uh then some some like the 438 00:27:14.519 --> 00:27:17.599 characters are attacking him and he has a bandage wrapped 439 00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:21.000 his hand is wrapped in a bandage, and then he 440 00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:25.039 like his instinct he avoiding is using his hand. Then 441 00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:29.039 the bandages fall off and that's a creature hand. Then yeah, 442 00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:31.880 once his hand exposed and he kills everybody like a 443 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:36.599 like a crazy power he has. Then uh then struggle 444 00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:39.079 in his discovery of who he is and who the 445 00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:41.559 enemy is and he trying to find out you know, 446 00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:46.640 that his iiding identity. So in a bunch of characters, 447 00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:50.839 you know, like an injust scroll with special power characters. 448 00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:54.720 And visually it's cool, but you know, first of all, 449 00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:58.440 I have to focus on the Hannad to to complete 450 00:27:58.519 --> 00:28:03.599 fund it first of course it's a complete yeah, but yeah, 451 00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:05.799 I have more ideas in the future. 452 00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:09.200 Awesome, you know, with a keto, it's interesting, you know, 453 00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:12.400 a kia really you know, it was big in the 454 00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:15.039 nineties when Steven Sagall was you know, doing his movies, 455 00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:17.279 and now it's sort of yeah, you know, they say 456 00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:22.000 that every decade has its martial arts. The nineties was 457 00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:24.680 a keto. Now it's like mixed martial arts. In the 458 00:28:24.759 --> 00:28:28.039 eighties it was kickboxing. In the seventies it was kung 459 00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:29.680 fu and the sixth Karate. 460 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:32.319 So it's they. 461 00:28:32.200 --> 00:28:34.720 Always say that everywhere in the eighties also is ni jitsu. 462 00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:36.920 But they always say that every decade. But it'd be 463 00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:41.000 cool to see a keto come back, especially the guys, 464 00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:43.880 because when they can actually you know, use the throws 465 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:46.000 and and stuff like that, it's you know, it's it's 466 00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:50.680 pretty interesting, you know, and you know, because now it's 467 00:28:50.839

--> 00:28:52.720 it's more of like a Brazilian j jitsu thing. But 468 00:28:52.799 --> 00:28:55.200 I've actually practiced a kio, I've practiced Brazilian ju jitsu 469 00:28:55.359 --> 00:28:56.880 and co. 470 00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:57.440 Yeah. 471 00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:01.359 Yeah, I actually practiced at a play exercise in Philadelphia 472 00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:05.200 and it was actually the the oldest judo club on 473 00:29:05.440 --> 00:29:08.519 the East Coast and uh it's been a for for 474 00:29:08.759 --> 00:29:12.559 years upon years and uh uh they practiced judo, keto 475 00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:13.559 and Brazier ju jitsu. 476 00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:16.480 Oh that's cool, that's great. 477 00:29:16.920 --> 00:29:20.079 Yeah, it's it's pretty cool. But yeah, I've done that practice, 478 00:29:20.079 --> 00:29:21.480 and I know exactly where you're coming from. 479 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:25.880 Yeah, and there's many like old old techniques. You know, 480 00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:28.440 you're something you have never seen in the movie yet. 481 00:29:29.279 --> 00:29:31.880 Then I'm just researching and you know those and my 482 00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:34.880 instructor has got lots of idea and it's preeny interesting. 483 00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:39.640 I'm just making test action action cuts, and uh, you 484 00:29:39.720 --> 00:29:42.079 want to show something unique and it's not a typical 485 00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:46.359 like a Steven Cigar ikido or the you know some 486 00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:49.079 some other movies just don't want to make something new, 487 00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:49.920 new action. 488 00:29:51.240 --> 00:29:55.039 Yeah, I'm waiting for Systema to make it. 489 00:29:55.079 --> 00:30:00.960 Stay Ben, Yeah, I met the u Mikairi. 490 00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:05.200 We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 491 00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:10.079 and now back to the show. 492 00:30:11.799 --> 00:30:16.440 Oh, Mikael Ribocal Yeah, yeah, he hit me pretty late, 493 00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:22.559 but he was maybe, yeah incredible. Where did you mean 494 00:30:22.599 --> 00:30:26.279 him at in Japan? Actually? Oh yeah, I had the 495 00:30:26.640 --> 00:30:30.599 scouting semina in Japan and when I was there, that's happened. 496 00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:34.599 He has a semino was there in the same same area. Yeah, 497 00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:37.559 it's just that ended and it's a great experience. 498 00:30:38.480 --> 00:30:42.039 Yeah, it's a pretty interesting morsal. I actually didn't learn 499 00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:47.039 from him, but one of his disciples, disciples Vladimir Vasili 500 00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:50.279 in Canada, one of his guys, uh actually started training 501 00:30:50.279 --> 00:30:53.960 with him. Oh cool, so that's that's what I'm doing now. 502 00:30:54.079 --> 00:30:56.119 So yeah, it's a small world, right. 503 00:30:56.559 --> 00:30:59.839 Yeah, I love the training messo. You know, it's it's great. 504

00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:04.480 It's very similar to philosophy. Is really similar to a kido. 505 00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:08.720 Yes, and uh, I you know that similar to it? Also, 506 00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:09.920 I nurse a one. 507 00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:11.000 Yeah. 508 00:31:11.599 --> 00:31:15.559 Yeah, it's about relaxation. But yeah, it's it's it's pretty cool. 509 00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:20.000 And uh so, uh should you know Rosia. I know 510 00:31:20.079 --> 00:31:21.640 you're a busy guy. I know you're busy with the 511 00:31:21.720 --> 00:31:24.359 movie everything, So I won't I won't keep you anymore. 512 00:31:24.440 --> 00:31:26.160 But is there anything else you'd like to talk about 513 00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:27.559 that that we haven't touched upon. 514 00:31:28.880 --> 00:31:31.160 Yeah, I just want to just to say about Okay, Hannah, 515 00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:34.039 you know it's the uh, this is a really really 516 00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:37.359 great original story. You know, I don't I don't know 517 00:31:37.480 --> 00:31:42.400 anything similar to this. It's pretty original. And uh, the 518 00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:45.480 visio of course, you know, it's the Uh. I'm working 519 00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:50.880 with the top effects guys in in the water. So yeah, 520 00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:53.400 it's gonna be a great movie. And I'm not gonna 521 00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:55.720 turn it down time you guys down. It's gonna be 522 00:31:55.759 --> 00:31:59.400 a great movie. So please please support my movie and 523 00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:02.799 please lens. So that's my message. 524 00:32:03.839 --> 00:32:07.440 And yeah again I repeat Heroshi's message. I would advise 525 00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:09.400 you guys to check it out linked to the show notes. 526 00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:11.359 But I think it's just gonna be a cool, really 527 00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:15.079 cool project. And uh and uh you know, I hope 528 00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:16.920 you guys check it out and donate. Haroshi, thank you 529 00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:20.200 very much for coming on. Yeah, thank you, thank you anytime. 530 00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:23.000 And all right, and make sure you check out Horoshi. 531 00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:26.319 It's called Gahana, which is g e h A n 532 00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:31.119 n A. It's the Facebook page no no g e 533 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:36.279 h E. And then oh, I'm sorry. I let's bat 534 00:32:36.359 --> 00:32:42.000 on my g E h E N A and and 535 00:32:42.160 --> 00:32:45.480 A yeah and uh and also you could hesh. Is 536 00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:47.680 there a website any we can view work at? 537 00:32:48.480 --> 00:32:52.359 Yeah, gehinnafilm dot com mm hmm yeah, and then you 538 00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:56.240 can look for the Facebook and ge Hannah and h. 539 00:32:56.599 --> 00:32:59.680 Thank you coming on again. Yeah, thanks so much anytime, buddy. 540 00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:00.960 Take care, Yeah, take care. 541 00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:03.880 I want to thank Dave so much for doing such 542 00:33:03.880 --> 00:33:05.440 a great job on this episode. If you want to 543 00:33:05.440 --> 00:33:07.359 get links to anything we spoke about in this episode, 544 00:33:07.400 --> 00:33:10.839 head over to the show notes at Bulletproof Screenwriting dot tv. 545 00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:12.799 Forward slash for eighty two. 546 00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:14.880 Thank you so much for listening to guys, as always, 547 00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.960 keep on writing no matter what. I'll talk to you soon. 548 00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:23.000 Thanks for listening to the Bulletproof Screenwriting podcast at Bulletproofscreenwriting 549 00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:23.680 dot tv.