Full Transcript for Could Heel Hooks Save Gi Grappling?

black belt high level competitors and they were just like it was controversial, it spoiled the vibe, like people were that's fucked Because everyone was excited to see Tynan. 00:04:26.690 --> 00:04:31.338 Yeah, and people wanted to see Tynan versus… Mika, no, no no. 00:04:31.338 --> 00:04:32.358 Jansen Gomez. 00:04:32.358 --> 00:04:36.947 Oh yeah, and Jansen was on one dude, he was doing amazing, he was ripping up. 00:04:36.947 --> 00:04:38.685 He ended up with two silver medals. 00:04:38.685 --> 00:04:39.910 Spoiler alert, sorry. 00:04:45.139 --> 00:04:45.281 He lost. 00:04:45.302 --> 00:04:46.069 This is coming out six weeks from now. 00:04:46.069 --> 00:04:47.038 There's no spoiling that, but that's the thing. 00:04:47.038 --> 00:04:50.990 Man, if heel hooks were allowed in the game, would that make it more exciting? 00:04:50.990 --> 00:05:01.209 Because what they were saying to me is there'd be like worm guard, wouldn't matter because you could outside heel hook, it would push the action, people just wouldn't leave their legs hanging out. 00:05:01.209 --> 00:05:07.062 This has been brought up before, but really no. 00:05:07.062 --> 00:05:10.851 Gi Jiu-Jitsu has evolved so much and continues to evolve. 00:05:10.851 --> 00:05:15.391 Is the current rule set holding Gi Jiu-Jitsu back somewhat? 00:05:15.391 --> 00:05:18.466 I mean, there's still some very exciting matches, don't get me wrong. 00:05:18.466 --> 00:05:19.028 Is there? 00:05:19.028 --> 00:05:20.252 No, no, no, there were. 00:05:20.252 --> 00:05:35.007 I love watching Mika in the Gi and Mika was and this is the other thing that came out was possibly one of the only not the only, but of all the favourites or the people who were favoured to do well in their category. 00:05:35.007 --> 00:05:37.187 There was a lot of first and second round losses. 00:05:37.187 --> 00:05:41.170 Like we didn't see Fabrizio Andre on the podium. 00:05:41.170 --> 00:05:42.947 Wait, let's go there in a sec, sorry yes. 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:49.267 Yeah, so on this heel hook in the gi piece, one of the common pushbacks has always been like it's just too dangerous. 00:05:49.267 --> 00:05:53.276 Because, like you know, imagine one of the common pushbacks has always been like it's just too, dangerous Cause, like you know. 00:05:53.276 --> 00:05:58.396 Imagine you put someone in a saddle in the gay there's just so much friction with the pants and stuff Like it's almost impossible to get out Right. 00:05:58.396 --> 00:06:02.745 Um so so, of course, like if you end up in that position, this is going to be pretty fucking hard to defend the hill hook. 00:06:03.668 --> 00:06:16.663 Um, but it's like, well, that just be the thing, like it would change the game. 00:06:16.663 --> 00:06:19.975 It would change the game we'd have to fight much harder to not end up in an entanglement, yeah, and you just defend like anything in jujitsu, right, the defenses evolve? 00:06:19.995 --> 00:06:20.255 yeah, it would. 00:06:20.255 --> 00:06:20.456 I believe. 00:06:20.456 --> 00:06:21.360 Personally, it would push the game to evolved. 00:06:21.360 --> 00:06:34.309 Evolve because people wouldn't leave their legs in certain positions and hang out there, like people wouldn't go to 50, 50 and just kind of leave their leg there only with the fear of a knee bar and don't get me wrong, knee bars can be devastating. 00:06:34.309 --> 00:06:36.466 No fucking knee bars. 00:06:36.466 --> 00:06:39.026 Yeah, look, I'm for it. 00:06:39.026 --> 00:06:45.971 I mean, you know, I'm like, you know, if I think about competing, I'm like, yeah, I don't know if I'm for it. 00:06:46.841 --> 00:06:48.528 But those days are mostly behind me, guys. 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:49.805 As a spectator shit. 00:06:51.300 --> 00:06:52.322 Show me that knee destruction. 00:06:52.343 --> 00:06:52.783 No, I think it's. 00:06:52.783 --> 00:06:53.245 You know. 00:06:53.245 --> 00:06:59.226 I I guess like philosophically, like how can you just exclude a whole set of techniques that are highly efficient? 00:06:59.226 --> 00:07:01.031 Yeah, like it just seems odd. 00:07:01.031 --> 00:07:02.983 So I'm like you fucking put it in, bro. 00:07:02.983 --> 00:07:09.266 The reason why I wanted to bring this up is these three people are staunch ibjjf gi players. 00:07:09.266 --> 00:07:14.105 Like one of them does a bunch of no gi and I was just chatting to him like yo, what's going on with Worlds? 00:07:14.105 --> 00:07:14.968 How's the vibe? 00:07:15.860 --> 00:07:26.548 And if someone in this situation, someone like Tynan, who was an undisputed kind of favorite, and obviously Jansen had beaten him the year before, but you want to see that right? 00:07:26.548 --> 00:07:28.767 Imagine if Boucher got disqualified. 00:07:28.767 --> 00:07:33.060 You know second round, that right. 00:07:33.060 --> 00:07:33.862 Imagine if buchesha got disqualified. 00:07:33.862 --> 00:07:35.687 You know second round and everyone knows that buchesha is nine-time world champion. 00:07:35.687 --> 00:07:38.240 Or you know, say you, you're there for certain matches and spectacles. 00:07:38.240 --> 00:07:41.588 But obviously the excitement of jujitsu is anything can happen. 00:07:41.588 --> 00:07:45.447 But this was this is a little bit outside the control. 00:07:45.447 --> 00:07:48.959 He wasn't doing anything illegal intentionally. 00:07:48.959 --> 00:07:50.264 Um, was it an? 00:07:50.264 --> 00:07:51.507 It was a knee reap, right? 00:07:51.507 --> 00:07:53.966 No, no, he had the outside leg position. 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:58.706 But they're saying that the function because he was going to be like… and he come in from the outside and put the leg over the top. 00:07:59.360 --> 00:08:00.343 No, he had the underhook. 00:08:00.343 --> 00:08:01.709 He had the underhook. 00:08:01.709 --> 00:08:05.048 They're saying that it functioned as a heel hook. 00:08:05.048 --> 00:08:08.228 All right, Anyway, to the side semantics. 00:08:08.228 --> 00:08:19.067 All I wanted

to say is could something that is currently illegal make jiu-jitsu better by being in the rule set and force people to change the way they do jiu-jitsu? 00:08:19.067 --> 00:08:20.310 Yeah, I'd like to see it. 00:08:20.310 --> 00:08:23.870 Yeah, but so some favorites did make the podium. 00:08:23.870 --> 00:08:25.100 That was another big one, right? 00:08:25.100 --> 00:08:26.526 So obviously Tynan. 00:08:26.526 --> 00:08:28.065 Yeah, fabrizio Andre. 00:08:28.065 --> 00:08:39.188 I was like I'm going through this list of flow grappling videos and I'm noticing really long names and I'm like fuck, I'm just looking for a name that I know, and then I'm like Fabrizio Andre, that's my guy Hokaji, let's go. 00:08:39.899 --> 00:08:42.188 And he does the big fucking stomp thing. 00:08:42.188 --> 00:08:43.264 I'm like fuck, yes, it's on. 00:08:43.340 --> 00:08:54.585 It's like when Powhatan shoots the arrow, like yes and uh, and then it just turned into a classic jiu-jitsu match, just like tie-ups, you know, like a lot of spider, I think there was. 00:08:54.644 --> 00:09:06.136 I think I saw some like worm in there and it was just like oh the, the guy that beat him was, you know, tied him up, was really good at slowing down, swept him and shit yeah, but you're like, oh fuck, that's not what I came for. 00:09:06.136 --> 00:09:11.559 Yeah I wanted to see the fabrizio athleticism yeah, or maybe maybe your your nogi expectations. 00:09:13.504 --> 00:09:29.138 You know there were moments in the match where they're, you know even fabrizio, where he's like in the guy's guard and whatever, and it's like zero, zero or two, two, whatever, and you know they're both like looking over at the scoreboard yeah and and the clock and you're like dang, I don't know. 00:09:29.500 --> 00:09:34.610 Just that is a characteristic of Giju Jitsu, this like oh, where are we at? 00:09:34.610 --> 00:09:37.203 Like strategically, how much should I store? 00:09:37.203 --> 00:09:38.027 When do I need to go? 00:09:38.027 --> 00:09:53.927 And I'm like I really just liked that side of it, yeah, but I guess it's just because advantages right, like you can win on an advantage, or even matches decided on decision, where there is actually no clear winner other than the refs being like who do we think pushed it? 00:09:53.927 --> 00:09:55.745 Yeah, and that's not even clear. 00:09:55.745 --> 00:10:09.168 Like, for example, at least in certain fight promotions, like whether it be a UFC or something like dominance or damage counts for something, and so you know, even going like all right, who got after it? 00:10:09.168 --> 00:10:10.211 That would be great. 00:10:10.211 --> 00:10:12.264 You know what would be fucking sick what's that? 00:10:12.326 --> 00:10:32.850 if we could have, like I'm guessing, like some kind of mri type, cameras that can be looking at the different athletes, connective tissue as the match goes on, and so you can actually measure, oh shit, 60 tear of the acl, holy shit, like chondroidal tear of the meniscus cartilage, like you, you know, like how good would that be. 00:10:32.870 --> 00:10:34.181 So it's like they both finished the match. 00:10:34.181 --> 00:10:35.306 It's like, oh, this can't hear. 00:10:35.306 --> 00:10:38.201 Like yeah like that would be the sickest. 00:10:38.201 --> 00:10:44.005 But I gave blood flow restriction like oh my God, his brain was without oxygen for like a clear seven seconds. 00:10:45.190 --> 00:10:49.227 Maybe, but I guess here's the thing how many people have eaten damage to win? 00:10:49.227 --> 00:10:51.212 Oh yeah, you know what I mean. 00:10:51.212 --> 00:10:59.730 Like, yeah, blow my ankle out, I'm going to take your back, yeah, but no, that would be an interesting rule set Like wins decided on damage, yeah, oh. 00:10:59.730 --> 00:11:03.544 So who else did Well, kennedy? 00:11:03.544 --> 00:11:06.052 Marcial Cabrinha's son, also not there. 00:11:06.052 --> 00:11:13.643 Cole Labate not on the podium Holy shit there. 00:11:13.643 --> 00:11:14.687 Colabate not, not, not on the podium, holy shit, cole. 00:11:14.687 --> 00:11:14.927 Okay, yeah. 00:11:14.947 --> 00:11:16.231 So there was like uh, uh, talison, I think he lost second round. 00:11:16.231 --> 00:11:21.889 Wow, like, there were many people, and the great thing about it is it opens the podium up, right, so you've got more people up there. 00:11:21.889 --> 00:11:28.543 And don't get me wrong, there were plenty of favorites in the women's category and some of the men who did exceptionally well, right, like no question. 00:11:28.543 --> 00:11:36.471 I guess my thinking was I mean, I was looking at jansen gomez because he went in the absolute and he ended up getting silver. 00:11:36.471 --> 00:11:38.003 He got kneebarred in the final. 00:11:38.003 --> 00:11:47.990 Wow, actually he's quite light, he's a medium heavy guy, okay, but he, I mean, he came in looking stacked and he beat uh, gutenberg, uh, ferreira perera perera. 00:11:48.010 --> 00:11:49.921 sorry in, um, I think, the second round. 00:11:49.921 --> 00:11:52.966 Oh wow, yeah, he, he was going mental. 00:11:52.966 --> 00:11:55.666 Yeah, right, looked great and Gutenberg beat me. 00:11:55.666 --> 00:11:57.956 Yeah, it's amazing. 00:11:57.956 --> 00:11:59.621 It's amazing how you. 00:11:59.621 --> 00:12:05.947 Maybe we should organize a super fight between you and Jansen Gomez to decide who actually is better at jiu-jitsu. 00:12:06.014 --> 00:12:07.561 Yeah, I mean, the fans want to see it. 00:12:07.741 --> 00:12:08.826 Yeah. 00:12:10.615 --> 00:12:11.679 But so okay. 00:12:11.679 --> 00:12:12.956 So here's the thing, so okay. 00:12:12.956 --> 00:12:13.620 So who are we saying? 00:12:14.134 --> 00:12:25.202 So of the kind of favorites males top of the head and I apologize to the female division because I didn't I watched like a few matches and they're all in the dudes categories and I don't know most of the athletes there. 00:12:25.202 --> 00:12:36.477 So we're saying

Tynan Fabrizio, andre Taliesin, suarez Cole, like four clear favourites there or people you'd expect to do very well, well, people who'd won. 00:12:36.477 --> 00:12:45.580 The only person out of like the who had won major, like gold medals at all the other major tournaments, was mika galvan and he won lightweight. 00:12:45.580 --> 00:12:47.565 So are we seeing that? 00:12:47.565 --> 00:12:56.479 These athletes who have recently been, I would say you would assume, putting their emphasis into nogi, yeah, are we seeing a decline in their gay performance? 00:12:56.479 --> 00:13:00.053 Potentially, yes, and it fucking makes sense, you would expect to. 00:13:00.053 --> 00:13:01.817 However, we haven't really seen it yet. 00:13:02.216 --> 00:13:07.783 A lot of those guys have still been super competitive, both at the Gi as well as no Gi, yeah, I mean. 00:13:07.783 --> 00:13:12.727 So Eric Muniz won the absolute and he's done that a bunch. 00:13:12.727 --> 00:13:21.359 He's a heavyweight guy, he's a big, big monster of a human, and so fifth world championship, he's won the absolute a bunch. 00:13:21.359 --> 00:13:22.421 I'm just trying to have a look for gabriel patos. 00:13:22.421 --> 00:13:32.346 I mean the women's category, the women who have dominated before, dominated again right but yeah, I think I mean we all knew it gi goes one way. 00:13:32.948 --> 00:13:43.109 No, gi goes the other way, even though there have been many crossover athletes in the past, that right now there's a bunch of athletes like, for example, levi wasn't at worlds. 00:13:43.129 --> 00:13:48.846 Right, yeah, he's focused on adcc yeah you know, marangali, same deal, adele, she wasn't. 00:13:48.846 --> 00:13:49.206 You know. 00:13:49.206 --> 00:13:51.859 Yeah, she, she got a pro um fion. 00:13:51.859 --> 00:13:55.265 Yeah, you, you have to prioritize right, because it's not. 00:13:55.265 --> 00:14:04.923 The game is advanced enough that you have to choose, and so I think there's something very relevant to what you're saying, to that we've got to mention Adam Wozniński. 00:14:04.923 --> 00:14:11.879 He was the first European to win the to win right To win Worlds, I think. 00:14:12.554 --> 00:14:12.876 Or wait. 00:14:12.917 --> 00:14:14.342 No, that's wrong, because his film won Worlds. 00:14:15.235 --> 00:14:15.956 Maybe his first. 00:14:16.038 --> 00:14:19.586 European male to win the heavyweight division or something. 00:14:19.586 --> 00:14:20.327 That's it. 00:14:20.327 --> 00:14:22.259 Yeah, that's pretty fucking sick, yeah. 00:14:22.259 --> 00:14:34.027 And I mean he's been at it such a long time he's been European champion maybe two or three times, Like he typically comes up against. 00:14:34.027 --> 00:14:37.023 He nearly always fights the same guy in the final from Alliance San Diego. 00:14:37.023 --> 00:14:39.500 His name escapes me now. 00:14:39.500 --> 00:14:44.947 I apologize, but yeah, man, he was a champion 10 years ago. 00:14:45.437 --> 00:14:54.375 He was like the advocate of the half guard and butterfly guard then, Everyone's like oh, his game's so old school, he still hits it on everybody. 00:14:54.375 --> 00:14:55.981 Yeah, I was watching him with his butterfly sweep. 00:14:56.095 --> 00:14:57.520 It's like the dude knows. 00:14:57.520 --> 00:15:01.701 The dude's like fuck, I'm halfway through the butterfly sweep and they're just like stalled there. 00:15:09.855 --> 00:15:14.024 And then he's like fuck, I'm, I'm halfway through the butterfly sweep and they're just like stalled there and they sweet, yeah, it's unstoppable. 00:15:14.024 --> 00:15:17.231 So, man, I I feel what is great about this most recent ibjjf world is, I think it informs where jujitsu could go next. 00:15:17.231 --> 00:15:27.241 Potentially in the same way, uh, the popularity of heel hooks in nogi forced uh theJJF to bring them in in brown and black belt and in the no gi. 00:15:27.241 --> 00:15:38.105 Right, yeah, could all the popularity of what is going on and the excitement around no gi grappling force gi jiu-jitsu to evolve? 00:15:38.105 --> 00:15:40.380 I'd like to see that happen. 00:15:40.380 --> 00:15:42.758 Man, I want to stay a fan, yeah. 00:15:43.078 --> 00:15:44.442 It's hard, but I want to yeah. 00:15:44.783 --> 00:15:45.344 The stalling. 00:15:45.344 --> 00:15:46.346 The stalling kills us all. 00:15:46.346 --> 00:16:01.106 Here it is, folks, every week we get our heads together, we chat, we plan, we plot, we scour the internet for semi-relevant information bits of entertainment, you might say, say to keep you all pleased. 00:16:01.106 --> 00:16:10.297 And we do this because we love to chat but also connect with you, and it would be a massive favor to us if you would like and subscribe. 00:16:10.297 --> 00:16:13.605 It's a huge thing for us, but maybe a small thing for you. 00:16:13.605 --> 00:16:28.183 Just take a couple seconds, click, click, and if you're listening to this on an audio platform, just hit that five stars, baby, we appreciate it.