The Hart kids are "crack babies."  Developmentally-delayed. The victims of racist attacks. There are so many family stories, but each one has the same theme: Jen and Sarah are saviors. 

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00:00:02You know people say necessity is the mother of invention but that's not always true Sometimes the mother of invention is advertising Yeah or pure accident How about ego Maniacal delusions Absolutely Or just a desperate longing to be cool I'm Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick were the hosts
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00:00:36to invention on Apple podcast the i heart radio app or wherever you find your podcasts One quick thing A week ago on Tuesday January eighth two thousand nineteen the Mendocino County Sheriff's Office received word from the Department of Justice that the foot discovered near the crash site in
00:01:00May was positively identified as belonging to Hannah Heart It is now believed by officials that she died in the crash with her family the notice reads Devante Heart is still listed as a missing person with the Mendocino County Sheriff's Office The case remains open and active Stay tuned
00:01:21for the latest installment of broken Hearts before we begin today's episode Listen I feel compelled to address something we think is vitally important to the story were white leases of Irish Catholic descent She has freckles and I She thinks they're green but I'd say her blue with a
00:01:41swirl of cinnamon I am of Jewish descent I have blonde hair and hazel eyes We were both raised on the East Coast We both attended private colleges in the Northeast We're both mothers Toe white children for many reasons were not the ideal people to delve into the tree
00:02:00tricky and very problematic race issues that this case presents We'd also be remiss not to talk about these issues as they're crucial to the larger sociocultural context of the story In this episode you'll hear from Nathaniel Davis who helped raise three of the heart kids before they were
00:02:17adopted and April Din Woody who is a trans racial adoption expert here in New York and more from Shauna Jones the lawyer who fought to keep Jeremiah Devante and Sierra with their biological aunt Each of these people has a different perspective on how race and bias may have
00:02:35played a role in the deaths of Marcus Hannah Devante Abigail Jeremiah and Sierra Heart from Glamour and How stuff works This is broken hearts I'm Justine Harmon and I'm Liz Egon Before Jen and Sarah Hart adopted their second set of siblings in two thousand nine Devante Jeremiah and
00:03:01Ciera had been devonta D E V o N T a Jeremiah J R M I A H and Sierra C E R A Davis They had lived in Houston Texas with their older brother Dante their mother Sherry Heard and her boyfriend Nathaniel Davis whose last name the children
00:03:25had taken even before Sherry and Nathaniel got married in two thousand ten Here's Nathaniel don't call me did I was only there a day They took her from me a solo to live rubble and remove them from their Teo Thie Audio quality here isn't great but Nathaniel is
00:03:45saying that he was the only dad those kids ever had and that CPS removed the siblings from his and Sherry's care When Sierra was born in two thousand five the children lived briefly with his brother he says before all three entered the Texas foster care system Nathaniel remembers
00:04:02the three younger siblings personalities well even though he hasn't seen them in over a decade The vote A would be hero here Tio won t always remember Nathaniel wasn't the on ly family these kids had before Jen and Sarah Hart adopted Devante Jeremiah and Sierra in two thousand
00:04:26nine Their Aunt Priscilla fought hard to get them out of foster care Priscilla hired Houston attorney Shonda Jones to help her plead her case and was successful in having them returned to her care She even moved to a new house to accommodate the children But a decision to
00:04:45let their mom Sherry watch the kids while Priscilla went to work resulted in the kids being removed from the home Sherri had a well documented substance abuse problem According to court records she was a crack cocaine abuser and was forbidden contact with the kids and CPS exercised a
00:05:03no tolerance policy Children had only lived with her aunt for five and a half months Priscilla's decision to let the kids Mom baby said it was a bad judgment call Yes but Shanda says the tenor of the court proceedings stands out In her twenty two years as an
00:05:19attorney the father's rights have been terminated because I think he had alcohol problems and the mother had drug problems and so that's why their rights were terminated which I I don't take issue with that I think you know in that instance that was the prudent thing to do
00:05:37I always have taken issue with that This case is the harsh manner do in a way that they dealt with Celestine The presiding judge for that court was Patrick Shelton who is now retired In response to questions about how the hearts were allowed to adopt Devante Jeremiah and
00:05:54Sierra after an allegation of child abuse had already been made against them he pointed to the lack of criminal charges in the state of Minnesota Shelton told Criminal Justice site the appeal Unless there's a criminal charge what can Yu dio believe it or not Kids get bruises that
00:06:11do not get beat Shelton also denies reports that he or his associate judge favored non relative adoptions over placement with family members The agency that facilitated Genin Sara's adoption of Davis siblings closed in two thousand eleven It was called the Permanent Family Resource Center The offices were located
00:06:35on a commercial grade of land in Fergus Falls Minnesota which is about a fifteen minute drive from Alexandria where the women lived until two thousand thirteen On archived version of the now defunct website says It was started in two thousand by three families who had adopted eight children
00:06:52out of the child welfare system according to a twenty eight page report filed by the Minnesota Department of Human Services in September two thousand nine On Ly months after Jen and Sarah officially adopted their second set of siblings through the agency the Permanent Family Resource Center was placed
00:07:09on conditional status after accruing seventeen licensing violations The violations ranged from failing to submit paperwork to failure to complete proper background checks on families In the past ten years the Minnesota DHHS has only issued three conditional licenses for child placement agencies Back when the hearts were clients the
00:07:31Permanent Family Resource Centre ran the Waiting Children Program a service that provided families in Minnesota and North Dakota with access to foster kids living in Texas Washington Ohio Idaho Oregon California and Florida the website reads Children in this program are living in foster homes or residential facilities and
00:07:52a termination of parental rights has occurred there legally available for adoption The average weight for a child after approval of the home assessment is between six months and three years It took Oakton and Sarah Hart less than a year to legally adopt Devante Jeremiah in Sierra Our field
00:08:13reporter Lauren Smiley reached out to three former permanent Family Resource Center employees about how these children were matched with the hearts As we record this episode those emails have not yet been returned Devante Jeremiah and Sierra Step dad Nathaniel Davis still has a hard time understanding why Jen
00:08:31and Sarah were able to adopt The children will also being under investigation on allegations of child abuse They were wrong wrong wrong moving on kid I'll take it takes He goes on to say I'm going to tell you why they figured we were poor didn't have nothing to
00:08:48fight them with They should have given other people an opportunity to adopt them Kids After Devante Jeremiah and Sierra were removed from Priscilla Salis Teens care Shonda says she barely had a chance to say goodbye to the children she had care for for the past several months I
00:09:06think Miss Ellis e Maybe saw them one last time Both Nathaniel and Shonda believed the institutionalized bias may have informed the court's decision You just add in a complete feeling that they already had made up their mind almost like you're just wasting their time You're in the way
00:09:23and it's like this is supposed to be a judicial system where you weigh evidence Why would you be so emotional and so angry over somebody during their job Because this lady wanted to make sure that she kept hurt nieces and nephews and not allow them to go off
00:09:38And she never see them again in life Despite trying to find out more details regarding the siblings adoption Shanda says she was never given more information about their placement family I saw some communication with Brian Fisher was a children's attorney and he said he would have to fly
00:09:54to Minneapolis So they sent the kids out of state and I didn't even make sense anyway It's like a suit has Texas's you mean to tell me that there's no one Why's there this effort to Harriet to get these kids out of Texas When Lauren reached Brian Fisher
00:10:08over the phone in August to ask about the case he said only No Ma'am no ma'am No ma'am Adoptions are sealed in Texas goodbye It wasn't until March of this year when Shauna Sol reports of the crash on TV that she realized what had happened to Devante Jeremiah
00:10:25and Sierra and who got custody of them so many years ago I was sitting here in my office and I was looking at the news and I heard them say Minneapolis and then they said The von Pate and then that's when I said Oh my God those are
00:10:37the kids Shana called Priscilla to break the news One of finally made The connection was just horrified and I hate to admit it because she's somebody who can't listen to a lot of bad things that happened But I called her around like eleven o'Clock at night I ask
00:10:53Have you heard about that case where that those kids were driven off the cliff And she said no So she says she could hear what I was about to tell her So I called it back the next day and that's when I rebuild to her They were driven
00:11:08off the cliff and you know she just she just can't She didn't want to accept that She always thought that the kids were in a better place But she was you know she was devastated She was devastated Like so many people who learned the fate of Marcus Hannah
00:11:26Devante Abigail Jeremiah and Sierra Heart Shonda takes issue with the disconnect between the facts and emerged on paper and the fiction Jen Heart presented on Facebook She recalls reading about a particular post in which Jen called out the racism her children experienced on a regular basis These kids
00:11:47are being used as a prop I read this article where I think one of the adoptive mom said she was in a store She was checking out in a holder white gentlemen and this cashier who was also Caucasian We're having this discussion about Devante asking him something about
00:12:02whether he was going to play sports And I don't believe for one moment that that conversation took place That never happened We scoured Jen Hearts Facebook feed and sure enough a post from November two thousand fourteen refers to this interaction the Post reads Quote We were standing in
00:12:19the grocery checkout line and elderly man was standing at the end of the bagging area conversing with the woman checking us out He spots our son looks him up and down man Colin I can tell you we're going to be a baseball player when you grow up Sun
00:12:36pauses tilt his head and gives a closed mouth grin Actually no Baseball isn't really my thing The Post goes on like this a little bit with the woman bagging groceries in what Jan describes as a befuddled nearly astonished voice saying quote what I have never Medicaid that looks
00:12:56like you that doesn't play sports And the man agreeing with the chuckle right Never they all d'oh gentlemen's having to watch your child be subjected to ongoing racial stereotyping but doesn't step in Instead she says her son responds Well of course you've never met a kid like me
00:13:15I'm one of a kind I'm going to be myself No matter how much people try to make me something I am not she adds Up the end I think this kid will be all right no matter what is tossed it him This kind of story telling from Gen
00:13:30may seem benign at first but when it factors into an ongoing pattern of isolation and chronic abuse the narrative takes on a sinister undertone Jen it's Sarah Hart had taken six black kids from Houston one of the most diverse cities in America and moved them from one rural
00:13:51town to the next for context A two thousand seventeen Census report found that Woodland Washington the last place the Harts lived is at least ninety two percent white On ly point three percent of woodlands population is black We haven't put off things we know we need to dio
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00:15:25To get the protection you need today simply safe dot com slash broken Friends of the heart's often recount the story's Jan and Sarah told about how unwelcoming their neighbours were how much abuse this unconventional family faced and how I'm safe It was for them At times Bill Groaner
00:15:47live next door to them in West Linn Oregon where the population is eighty nine percent white Bill believes that maintaining a sense of fear might have helped Jen and Sarah keep the ongoing abuse under wraps He spent the past four years playing keyboard at Mount Olivet Baptist Church
00:16:03in North Portland The website for Mount All of It claims the church was built in nineteen o seven from lumber provided by the Ku Klux Klan to keep the African American organization on what they deemed the proper side of town For the record bill is white I've always
00:16:20played music in church that play at an African American church So I'm aware about you know racism and maybe covert rather than over even if it's kind of almost subliminal I could see parents wanting to protect their kids I always thought maybe that's part of why they told
00:16:40the kids to kind of not be overly conversational or friendly with neighbors because people could secretly harbor prejudice against you But when you read more about what's what actually happened I don't think they want the kids to tell what was going on I think that's really part of
00:17:01the deal because all would have taken is one kid to come over and say You know I'm hungry Could I have some food for me to call children's services Groaner isn't the only one who noted the way the heart women especially Jen would cut their family off from
00:17:15outsiders But their festival friend Ian Sperling on Lee came to that realization after they died It's like Okay so we have some dates set up They can't sold like me Let's plan a plating at the park this Tuesday Oh you have that because And then the day comes
00:17:31here We're not going to be around you know Ah feel little things here and there that you know we never found out anything more about now Looking back it's like she was shielding them from being close to people I felt like we were really close with them but
00:17:44at the same time are they like our family that just stops by all the time You know not at all Now looking back there were some dark moments there in particular like Marcus Marcus and Jeremiah They were very reserved and almost stoic in nature And then when you
00:17:59talkto boom snap into a smile snap into some personality and then boom right when you stop talking go right back to a stoic face and Ian got closer than most Back in June two thousand eighteen our field reporter Lauren talked to Ken Wada k an activist who started
00:18:16the free hugs project Ken first reached out to the family when he saw that viral image of Devante hugging a police officer at the Black Lives Matter Rally He thought perhaps he could mentor the boy Here's Lauren Ken Mordecai first held a free hug sign at the Boston
00:18:33Marathon in twenty fourteen He soon extended his campaign for peace and racial understanding to black lives matter rallies in college campuses across the country When Dante's photo went viral six months later Ken Social Media lit up can read about how Devante ed white moms He also noticed the
00:18:53boy's curious outfit fedora hat leather peacoat and why's looking face thie age of which was hard to peg He sent a direct message to Jen's account on Facebook when his photo of him holding that free Huck sign and crying in front of the officer When that went viral
00:19:14my social media went crazy because it was the second time and African American was shown like that in regards to law enforcement And that's what my work of the Free Hugs project really begin us And so shortly after Devante Hearts photo comes out with him holding that free
00:19:34oxide in front of a police officer I'm getting all of these emails from people saying Can your work is spreading Look at the impact of that you're having even on young people And so right away I felt like I need to meet this kid And so I started
00:19:48searching online and made contact with their family The Facebook Ken thought Devante my benefit from having a black male figure in his life In fact it was something he himself had craved Growing up I was raised by a single mother and I appreciate my mother in all of
00:20:06the strength that she had to raise four boys and my sister But my entire life I longed for a father Originally Ken thought he was messaging with Devante but then it became clear he was chatting with an adult Jen over Facebook she said she preferred her children live
00:20:24what she called a private life style Understandable really how many parents out there willingly connect their young children with strangers over the Internet And after the amount of attention that photo solicited all the more reason to be protective Still the two remained friends on Facebook a choice can
00:20:42now believes was intentional On Jen's part she kind of intercepted that potential friendship or connections we could a fact it wasn't until after that I was like Oh now it all makes sense You wanted them to live a private life style because if he would have started sharing
00:21:00with me that food was being with hell She kept a very close circle of people that she can kind of play this role With that everything is okay And so then the truth would get out or they wouldn't believe it Back when we started looking into this story
00:21:19we wanted to better understand what it takes to make a blended family like the hearts work in the real world Lauren spoke with April Din Woody a trans racial adoption expert and the former executive director of the Donaldson Adoption Institute April didn't Woody's expertise in trans racial adoption
00:21:36starts close to home She was adopted out of foster care as a toddler by a white family in Rhode Island The way your family dealt with their racial differences was to not talk about race at all As an adult hungry to connect with black culture April moved to
00:21:53Harlem She became CEO of the Donaldson Adoption Institute and mentors Kids of Color who are adopted by white families She used to host a workshop called What My White Parents Didn't Know and Why I Turned out Okay anyway April is vocal about the flaws and the adoption says
00:22:10is um more often than not Professionals are underpaid Black children are overrepresented Not enough attention is paid to bias training Sometimes adoptions are rushed If you look at what tends to happen when it comes to data states can have events of not leaving young people in foster care
00:22:32for a long time so things get rushed So sometimes a termination of parental rights happens too quickly Sometimes an adoption happens too quickly She also believes that the American perception of adoption is binary Adoptive parents are good parents who can't take care of their children bad she says
00:22:51Not enough attention is paid to the gray areas that exist What kind of words come up when you think of parents who have their rights terminated Poor drug abusers addicts You know all these really loaded terms And then you say What comes up for you with parents who
00:23:06adopt family love safety is how and then even when you look at you know families and parents who relinquished voluntarily there is a much warmer feeling about that versus parents who have their rights terminated It's just something that we have embedded in our perceptions Like Shonda Jones April
00:23:25believes that the system may have favored the hearts and a family like the hearts I could see how they would be very appealing within the foster care system Very appealing she says There is no way to discuss this case without taking a hard look at what she calls
00:23:37the deep layers of racism within the child welfare system There's so many issues of just racism and raising class differences It's just hard not tow have that Just be so front and center You know you have an aunt who's ready willing and able and you've got families that
00:23:53are struggling for whatever reason and doing what they can to rehabilitate and their people of color And then you've got white family resource is available and you can see it coming so clearly You know that that this is how this would play out institutional racism within child welfare
00:24:11Is this there There's no question as a woman of color who was taken in by white parents April's uniquely aware of the challenges of trans racial adoption how important questions about identity can get glossed over or how a child may grow to feel ambivalent toward their birth culture
00:24:27or as if they're stuck between two worlds First of foremost they should be living in diverse areas with examples and teachers and community members and friends Close friends of the family that are people of color like you just can't raise a brown or black kid in a situation
00:24:42where they're one of a few people of color is just not safe anymore son Emotionally safe is not physically safe Um so I think first of formal they should be living in diverse areas and Paris thing to be uncomfortable right Like white parents need toe make it their
00:24:56business to go and be in places where there is a minority so they could get a little bit of a sense of what their kid feels Ultimately she believes that Jen's multiple please for racial understanding and tolerance on Facebook not to mention the family's presence at protests was
00:25:10self congratulatory I just remember looking at diamantes face but back in two thousand fourteen right It was like it just struck me and I had no idea honestly and no idea that he was a young person that was involved in the foster care system But but something didn't
00:25:25sit right and it's just so much pain and that and it just felt like it felt uncomfortable to me Honestly it just it just did And then to find out his backstory and this tragic end to his life it just sort of reinforces this idea that some parents
00:25:42do operate this way which is you know look what we did were symbols of you know racial harmony and our kids or our evidence of that and it's just really really uncomfortable and exploitive And um it's sort of heartbreaking and it's really calculated right Was it calculated Or
00:26:01was it ignorant If you read Jen's heartfelt words on the topic of systemic racism you might find yourself impressed by her conviction On July seventh two thousand sixteen she took to Facebook to air her frustrations My beautiful black boys she wrote alongside a picture of Jeremiah and Devante
00:26:23smiling in hoodies and beanies We talk endlessly about the realities of this world So much beauty so much pain and suffering The's boys live and lead with love but I will never deny them their human right to be frustrated sad and angry about the perpetual violence and murder
00:26:45of people of color My feet is filled with people white and poc that want to help make a difference but are completely at a loss of what to dio Opening up and breaking the silence is a start because white silence is black death If that statement makes you
00:27:05uncomfortable I'm not sorry Black Pain matters Black anger matters Black lives matter back in two thousand seven after Jen and Sarah adopted Marcus Hannah and Abigail a caseworker visited the women's home in Minnesota Her findings were positive She recommended that Chan and Sarah be allowed to adopt a
00:27:33sibling group of up to five more children Her report filed on July eleventh two thousand seven Red The hearts are open toe any race and gender although they would prefer to have at least one boy in the sibling group Jen and Sarah have adopted by racial children and
00:27:49they have the tools and knowledge to adopt more children from the African American heritage they're prepared to advocate for their children and to secure the necessary services to support their family Over the course of our reporting Lauren has reviewed over eight hundred pages of material from the Clark
00:28:06County Sheriff's Office in Washington Among the documents are official caseworker reports and personal emails from the heart women And it appears they did try at least at first to create a nurturing and culturally aware home for their children before they even received the first set of kids General
00:28:26An email in January two thousand six to her adoption agency caseworker talking about having set up in appointment with a child psychologist who she calls simply the best of the best general We registered him a sap because there's a waiting list about three or four months out They
00:28:44talked about enrolling Marcus in special education Jen calls the school the most diverse in the district You a caseworker wrote up a conversation she had with Jen reflecting on the trans racial adoption homework Jen had completed about places and people African American kids could identify with It said
00:29:05that Jen had identified the Black Student Union at a local university The caseworker writes about Jen Just purchase a couple more children's books about African American heritage One book is called Martin's Big Words about Martin Luther King in pictures that were released of the Inside of the Heart's
00:29:23home in Washington They're Home Library showed what looked like African masks hung on the wall The book collection included books like Mandela and The Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks Another Thing That Really Stood Out was back in in March two thousand nine Email to some friends This is
00:29:42after the adoption of the second set of kids Jensen's How well the kids are doing It mentions Thie maternal aunt trying to get the kids back General the kids are all doing swell I don't know why they insist on growing up on me Sierra will be four next
00:29:59month Abby and Jeremiah are five now Davante six Hanna seven And Marcus ten Davonte Jeremiah in Sierra are doing incredibly well You wouldn't know they're the same kids that came to her home nine months ago I'm so proud of them For all they have accomplished in such a
00:30:17short time we finalize their adoption last month Thank goodness I have been a ball of anxiety just waiting for that day to come Until a couple months ago a maternal aunt was still trying to get them back Long story happy ending are beginning Hi I'm Ariel cast in
00:30:40and I'm Jonathan Strickland And together we're going to tell you the stories behind some of the biggest triumphs and failures in business That's right We're going to explore situations that tested the medal of entrepreneurs Pivotal moments there acquired Making tough decisions will be talking about some big companies
00:30:56that everybody knows like Disney Lego and Harley Davidson And together we try to answer the question What do you do when you find yourself at the brink Listen and subscribe at apple podcasts or on the I Heart radio app or wherever you listened to your podcasts A two
00:31:15thousand fifteen evaluation of data on six hundred children adopted in Minnesota examine whether being raised by someone of a different race is inherently damaging and the conclusion was no Emma Hamilton the lead author and a doctoral candidate in counselling psychology at the University of Texas at Austin put
00:31:34it this way Being raised by someone of a different race is not inherently damaging to the development of the adoptees But much depends on how white parents talk about race with their children of color and help them identify with people of their own race This mirror's what April
00:31:51didn't Woody has found in her personal and professional life You almost have to become an activist And I think all true activists one that goes into the school and says black and brown kids they're just a splendid higher rates and you've got to make yourself known to say
00:32:03Hey not my kid You really gotta become you know a champion of your child safety physically and emotionally I think the heart's tried to sort of like put that idea out there of like racial kind of coming together But it was like very very superficial and uncomfortable quite
00:32:24frankly and how they separated the children around it Just that's not what that looks like what it really looks like when you embrace bringing a child of Clarence your family and your white family there better be people that looked like your kid in that community Better You really
00:32:36be authentic and the way it becomes authentic is learning about birth Family like you know there are a lot of ethnicities and cultures within black and white people and brown people So it's kind of like you gotta have some information so that you actually know what your kid
00:32:52may have been experiencing in their birth family in so many ways The mythologies Jen and Sarah Hart told about their children had their intended effect They told people the kids were crack babies A nineteen eighties term now widely debunked people believed them for April Din Woody Thie stories
00:33:13are evidence of white Savior is um the idea that white people can swoop in and fix non white people It's one of those things that really just makes me so angry because at the end of the day it may well be true that these young people come with
00:33:27those traumatic experiences that manifested behavior and health issues That just means that that family needs more support And those those parents who are going to parent those children need not use that any form of excuse or even be talking about private things about their children unless it's with
00:33:46a licensed therapist that draw so much suspicion and so much just emotion around the fact that that would be utilized as a way to mask some of the abuse and the black that was happening within the home It's just just disturbing And Sperling now sees how the use
00:34:05of loaded terms like crack babies may have helped reinforce a certain narrative Everyone was very envious of them because of how they could pull this off How they can raise six quote unquote developmentally delayed children Good for you Nice work You saved him You know that was the
00:34:22narrative Always You know we talked extensively about so it was just like you know she had a very detailed story about how they were adopted what they went through prior There's a lot of white Savior is um symbolic in this story now that I never understood or knew
00:34:38about trained to build this portrait of a you know idealistic situation Or these white ladies seamen and safety Six black children Um what's just a man Way Loved those kids so much OK sorry OK Jen and Sarah's artfully spun stories were alarmingly effective They neatly explained away some
00:35:19of the kids strange behavior while also reinforcing a cocoon of silence around what happened behind closed doors They kept the kids from being able to connect with people who had similar backgrounds They kept the neighbours from interfering These stories even prevented the children for me in touch with
00:35:36their own flesh and blood And most importantly these stories ensured that the voices of the heart children we're never ever heard If you suspect to child is being abused call one eight hundred for a child that's one eight hundred numeral for a C H i E l D
00:36:03or visit childhelp dot or GE to find out how to report your concerns Next time on broken hearts When I realized that she was on school Mama like there's no way in hell those kids were learning I mean really search parties came here on scoured the bluffs with
00:36:25fancy helicopters and airplanes and boats I can't even imagine how many miles he walked on those beaches and bluffs and drove around sad on that cliff with his binoculars day after day after day after day I remember making this comment like you're like an abused wife and she
00:36:41just kind of gave me this look like no kidding For access to exclusive photos and videos and documents about the case Visit glamour dot com slash broken hearts Have questions for us about this podcast Regis on Twitter at Glamour Mac or at Broken Hearts Pot If you like
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00:37:42Josh Thane Special thanks to Gen Lattes You know people say necessity is the mother of invention but that's not always true Sometimes the mother of invention is advertising Yeah or pure accident How about ego Maniacal delusions Absolutely Or just a desperate longing to be cool I'm Robert Lamb
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