Full Transcript for S2-E18: Chacon-Boza Edwards II (1983)

you look at our list, we're getting through them. but it's pretty amazing. So he had a pretty good two year run there, Bobby Chacone did. And of course who doesn't like watching the lightweights after the last couple of fights we've been watching our featherweights of course. Yeah. So it's it's tremendous stuff. with the kind of action you can see. This is the LA born Bobby Chicone versus the Uganda born Cornelius Boza Edwards. Yukon Cornelius Bosa Edwards, I believe. Or Yugon Cornelius we'll call him, I guess. Are we not familiar with the Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer? It's fine. speaker-1: Big Ugon Rogue. speaker-0: If you don't know Yugon Corny Uchon Cornelius and you ain't watching Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer. Maybe but it's interesting. Chacone is twenty thirty-one years old and has a record of fifty one and six and one, forty-two knockouts. He stands a towering five foot five. This is by the way, the second fight in a row where there's a distinct height difference between two little guys fighting, 'cause Cornelius Boza Edwards, playing the Thomas Hearns role tonight, is thirty eight and three with twenty nine knockouts, and he's five foot ten. He has a four and a half inch a height advantage and a three inch reach advantage on the shorter guy, surely that means he's gonna fight from the outside. Surely that's what this means. speaker-1: No doubt about it. We're in for a boring dance fest. speaker-0: Yeah, I'm sure. It's like, w who would who wouldn't want any more than that? So so anyway, what else can you tell us about this? We're at Caesar's Palace in Vegas, I believe. speaker-1: Yeah, I can tell you that the fight doctor, Freddy Pacheco and Marv Albert are the announcing team and we are accursed with Richard Steele, the worst referee in the history of boxing. I'm sure that won't come into play in this speaker-0: Dude, you you considered him the worst rest referee in boxing before you saw this fight too. yikes. Yeah. I'm not gonna say anything about Richard Still that hasn't been already said already, but I can say to the extent that there is a reason why fight doctors exist. I don't know what this fight doctor was doing in this fight. So I suppose their job is also to check to make sure you're not brain damaged, or whatever. But if to the extent that facial injuries matter at all in a fight, I don't know what this guy was doing. I kept thinking I kept thinking they were what who's the guy who's who's the fight doctor you saw in like Tyson Holyfield? speaker-1: Flip him flip him is. speaker-0: I could is it is it Homansky? I kept thinking they said Hernandez. That's speaker-1: Nope, it's Flip Homansky. speaker-0: who I thought it was, and it's who it looked like a younger version, but then they kept saying, There's the fight doctor Hernandez sitting down by ringside. Okay, that's speaker-1: No he was pretty near. speaker-0: Yeah, well, yeah, and again, what does Pacheco know about being a fight doctor anyway? Am I right? Am I right? Right? speaker-1: I thought it was funny that there was I read that there was some backlash from viewers who c started calling the Fright Doctor after the spout. That's pretty funny. speaker-0: I suppose that's funny. all right. So this is a non-title bout between the champion and the number one contender in the for the classification that they're fighting. and a guy who beat him before, but they're not fighting for the belt then. Wow. Don King, wow. Yeah. Wow. speaker-1: And yeah. speaker-0: And he used thank God he went on to use his powers for good with shepherding Mike Tyson through Tomato Can Alley. So that's great. I I did not know that wrinkle on that fight on this fight, but that's okay. speaker-1: That's why they announced it as for the people's championship. speaker-0: They did, didn't they? that's great. So it's a people's champ the people's champion. I did notice Don King noticeably not there. I didn't see him. it's his boy. so by the way, can I get a spoiler alert? Did did Chacone ever fight our our boy that he was supposed to fight? speaker-1: well, let's talk about that after the fight. speaker-0: Fine. Okay, that's cool. So let's get into this then if we do if we will. once again Richard Steele. All right. we won't have long to wait before we get some Richard Steele action in this. So let me flip a coin. one is heads, two is tails. How many fingers am I holding up? speaker-1: Two. speaker-0: Nice. You get to go you get to go first, or you can defer, whichever. speaker-1: no we'll take the kickoff. so speaker-0: Receive, we will receive. speaker-1: Thank you. Bosa Edwards is a south paw and he's taller. speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah, that's true. speaker-1: So they come out, they're trading right away, and almost immediately they break and then Shikone hits on the break. Yeah steals oblivious. He looked right at it and didn't do anything. So his opponent scolded him slightly. speaker-0: Yeah, I did notice he he he kinda did one of the what the hell's going on with that? speaker-1: Exactly. straight left then Shikone and then a straight right. they pummel each other through most of the round, but it's on the ropes at the two minute mark. there was a haymaker left hook after that by Bose Edwards, a hard right to the body by Shikone. I thought wow, this is already a corker. Now things are about to get interesting. a hard right by Shikone. And then right at the bell in a round that I thought Boza Edwards was winning not overwhelmingly, but speaker-0: Yeah, I was gonna I was ready to write down ten nine Bosa Edwards, yes. speaker-1: Yeah, there's a knockdown slash slip by Shikone that Steel, after consulting his Magic Eight Ball or whatever he did, decided was a knockdown, although it's a weird knockdown in that the Bose Edwards' feet went out backwards. which is a little different. and the announcers seem to think it was a slip. It was a slip at the same time as a punch was being delivered, so I don't know, but it is for me a three point swing

because of Steele's ruling. Instead of ten nine Buzz Edwards, I gave it ten eight for Shikone. I could have gave it ten nine for Shikone, but I I thought I would avoid controversy right out of the gate. So I went ten eight for Shikone. Wha what'd you think of this first round, bud? speaker-0: I thought the first round I was I was like I said, I thought Boza was winning the exchanges. This is tell me if this is gonna sound familiar. He had him in the corner and was po and was putting the gloves to him pretty good. we're gonna hear that a couple times in this one. There they are Chacone's going to the body. he's game, but he's not throwing as much, he's not landing as much. he's already seeming like he looks a little nicked up even at the end of the first round, although they didn't talk much about it. And it is nineteen eighties television, so good luck trying to tell. although even on nineteen seventy television you'd be able to tell later in the fight. So, but I I digress. So then that slip knockdown happens, right? And this is speaker-1: The bell. speaker-0: This is what I was talking about before we got on today, Rob. we talked about somehow, in eras where boxing changes fundamentally. at some point in the past before this, rounds were often scored. How many rounds did the one guy win versus how many rounds the other guy win? And if you won a round, it didn't matter if you annihilated the guy or if you squeaked out a win, you get the same points. And Pacheco seems to want to say that he gave this round 10 ten because he was gonna give it to Bose Edwards, but the knockdown means it's ten ten in his book. So that's how he scored it. And I d and that I I is that how you would have done that in the good old days you'd call that a 10 10 round. That seems like you're barely learning the 10 point must system and that's what you would do. The 10 point must system is i he basically he's saying it was an even round because of the knockdown. And I can't see unless you're gonna make the argument that I refuse to acknowledge that it was a knockdown, but I'm not but I so I will give it even. I I gave it ten eight because it was ruled a knockdown and that's what you do. There was a punch. It was a slip, and if you didn't know it was a slip, you only had to watch the rest of the fight to know that it's a slippery ring. Holy crap. I mean they're yeah, they they were the they should have worn snowshoes or something. I don't know when to take the skates off, put the snowshoes on. speaker-1: Vegas. You think they'd have their shit together. But yeah, my so you know, the the ten point must system, you know, because you're right, you we've talked about this before. You made a great point one time when you were like knockdowns matter, right? They do so so it should it should you know, weigh into whether you think someone won the round or not. Now I know that the ten point must system they used to be much more liberal with it, like you know, there was a knockdown, but someone, you know, battled back and, you know, in fact I scored the third round of Holyfield Cooper that way, ten nine for Cooper because after dropping Holyfield he got his ass handed to him f bad for a minute and a half. I was similarly outraged and Holyfield Moor won when the second round when Holyfield dropped Damore was ruled an even round by one judge, and if he'd given the round even ten nine to Holyfield, the fight would have been a draw. Yeah. So so it's been since then really that we've taken the attitude that well and and we've and we've scored rounds ten eight when there wasn't a knockdown, right? If someone's really taken a horrible beating. So I think in general, we think someone wins the round and then a knockdown makes an extra point. So if you're looking at it as a knockdown's worth a point and you were gonna score it ten nine one way, I guess I can see the ten ten. But now of course with knockdowns, we generally say, we being everybody that watches boxing and all the judges, someone scores a knockdown barring some really crazy thing, it's a ten eight round. speaker-0: Yeah. And that that's I'm preconditioned to do that. And so not knowing how this is gonna end up, I'm you know, starting out I you know that it's gonna be a you're assuming it's gonna be a good fight because it's fight fight of the year by Ring magazine, right? So therefore you're assuming that it's not just gonna be a shit show from here on out, although we've seen at least one that was a shit show. So I did speaker-1: Consider scoring at ten nine, but but I thought Chicone did enough to that the knockdown, which speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: is how it was ruled by the person who's making that call. Yeah. I I just went ten eight. speaker-0: And honestly the broadcast I saw or the the recording I saw of it was for shit. They don't they they literally go to commercial before the end of the round. It's after the knockdown and before the end of the round, they come back and they don't adequately show a replay. So I don't know. I mean it's like whatever. but okay, so we're we're in agreement. We both gave speaker-1: Swing some points either way. speaker-0: we both gave round one ten eight cone and so now speaker-1: I thought that's a three point swing. speaker-0: I know. And then it's and now it's round two. and round two starts rough. We've already had a low blow. there are gonna be some you know, some guys are using elbows. I think Boza Edwards using elbows. Jacone goes low a couple times, hits late a couple times. but but you know Boza goes on the I'm gonna just call him Boza. I know he's Boza Edwards, but I'm just gonna call him Bozo. He goes on the attack early. He has Chacone on the ropes. There's a lot a lot of short range slugging. It's very much Castillo Corralis from last time, right? Where they're just laying their heads on each other and slugging it. I will say I'll wait till I'll hold that thought till later. So Bose lands some shots in the corner. he

hobbles a bit on it looks like they're I I wrote down it look like they're using soccer boppers. You remember soccer boppers, the big balloon things you put on your hands, you blow them up, and then you could just beat on each other. Bop, bop, bop, bup, pop. And they're doing that. It they're hitting each other a lot, but it doesn't look like it's really damaging. At least not in terms of rattling your brain pan, but there is damage happening on at least one of these guys' punches. and and it's so I'm kind of on my way to thinking, I think, you know, Shacone is cut. And and and and I'm not sure what he's doing in the corner. He just sits in the corner and it seems willing to trade with him. And he's given up, he's taken two for every one that he lands, and he looks like he's getting his head knocked back quite a bit. And then I can in something I can only describe as bronze bomber esque. He lands that one, two, right? You would have thought it was Deontay Wilder throwing in this is me being facetious, by the way. But the very much the one. And then the guy doesn't see the two coming and it comes straight through Bop soccer boppers him with the b with the two and drops Boza Edwards right right at the bell again, really. near the bell again. So late in the round, it's g it's I thought it was it was a better round for Chacomb, but I was gonna give this round to Bosa Edwards too. And then this happens and all of a sudden it's another three point swing. I will say that it got crazy action At the from after that they go toe to toe crazy for to the bell. But again, at the balance of the round, if you take out the knockdown, Boza Edwards wins the round. But once again, I have it twenty sixteen now on my card, and it should be twenty eighteen the other direction, except for those two late this was a legit knockdown. The other one I don't know, but this one was legit. But there it is. So what did you think around two? speaker-1: I see it exactly the same. I couldn't believe it. I wrote wow at the end of the half. Yeah, Boza Edwards came out hurting Shikone on the ropes immediately. Shikone w came back with some hooks, but a big left hook on the ropes by Boza Edwards. Several shots on the ropes they were they were in there. Shikone seemed to be okay with being there. It was a wild first half of the round. Straight left by Buzz Edwards, hard borderline body shot by Shikone. But I will say I thought Buzz Edwards was landing a lot of clean teeth rattling hooks in there on the road. Shikone's cloud already. Lots of clean shots by both guys. And then yeah, I couldn't even believe my eyes. The old jab and then straight as an arrow right. It reminded me of the the Some of those knockdowns we saw in the Marquez Vasquez fights are reminded me of a little bit of Pacquiao versus the other Marquez. speaker-0: Yeah, one mark one Manuel. speaker-1: The jab yeah, the jab and then in that case it would be a straight left, but it was right down the pipe and it was a legit knockdown that hurt Yep. but again, I'm I'm with you. It was a round that I thought Bosa Edwards was clearly winning. they traded the bell, but that knockdown is much more legit in making it a ten eight round for Chicone. And yeah, I ca I couldn't even believe two rounds in a row. speaker-0: Yeah. Well, golly. Yeah, so so Bose Edwards has really kind of painted himself in a corner, so I don't know what he's gonna pull out of his bag of tricks, but we'll let's see what has what happens in round three. speaker-1: Alright, so a little more jabbing at the start by both guys this round. straight right by Shikona, but wow they're trading they're tramming Training bombs again, that's what I wrote. speaker-0: Yeah, I'm glad you're having trouble reading your notes 'cause when I was trying to read the whole bronze bomber punch which I wrote in the margin, I was like Bruce Bowen, Bronze or Bionic Baskin? I couldn't tell. So yeah. speaker-1: So they're trading bombs again. I you can say that for every round of this fight. there's a one two by Buzz Edwards, a nice jabbing from him, snaps Shikone's head back. some sneaky body shots by Shikone and then Buzz Edwards drops Shakone. And it was a counter left at two fifteen. and then Buzz Edwards follows up with good hard jabbing. there's a big right hook to the body by Shikon. Less mayhem this round, but still crazy. I actually thought Shikon was having his best round of the three rounds. And speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: of course that means he lost the round ten eight. speaker-0: Yeah. Exactly how I saw it. That's a it's pretty amazing because Chicone one I I wrote it a couple of times, goes to the corner again and is fighting from back to the corner again, inexplicably, but he's doing better this round at it. So he he comes and goes. Some rounds it's awful, some rounds he holds his own. It helps it helps his cause when the crowd is really pulling for him, he fights out of it. And this is gonna be a recurring theme, Rob. I'm gonna say it here. I it's I'm watching this and I'm reassessing the you know Hagler Leonard fight, right? 'Cause I'm like, okay, so Chacone is doing the the Sugar Ray Leonard thing, right? Right? Where he's like going getting again, it only happened once really to Leonard. Where he gets stuck in the corner and the guy starts blasting away at him and then he dazzlingly fights his way out of the corner. Chacone does that like ten or twelve times around, it seems like at least a dozen times in the fight. Now and and again, A, he's not getting pounded as bad as Hagler was pounding Leonard. B, he doesn't fight out as well as Leonard did. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: But I'm going, Okay, well, if I thought that was gr was great stuff, why don't I think this is great stuff? And the answer is I didn't. I don't know. It seems like it seems like he's making a tactical error and he's doing it over and over and over again. speaker-1: Yeah, I agree. speaker-0: But but in this case, in round three it was

gonna be a chance for, you know, a Shacone round or maybe even even round, but instead that knockdown happens. so it's in the you know the they finish the round out and it's a ten eight round for Bosa Edwards and now it's right back in it. So that got interesting in a worry. So I'm how what are the rest of the what are the next several rounds gonna be like? Well, not as action packed as this one. And the as the first three. Not as eventful as the first three at least. Still action patch. I I should not say not as action packed. There's action packed, they're just less eventful in terms of scoring controversy. So I I I will say this, th right off the bell, Shacone lands a one two and literally it looks like to the extent that fighters ever have defense, I don't know what he I don't know what he w was he not even like ready to fight when he went out there, Bose Edwards, he just takes that one two like he's not even paying attention. it's like I you know Y you would think guy with rudimentary skills could have at least looked like he saw it coming. He doesn't even look like he saw it coming. He's bap bap. Holy crap, what a what just happened? Did the bell ring already? I thought I was still on my stool. What's going on? I wrote def you know, his defense, nothing zilch. Nothing. I mean it was like and then Chacone goes to the afterburners briefly. Bose Edwards misses at short range. It's gets sloppy kind of in the mid round. but then, you know, Bose Edwards starts driving the action again. Jacone is counter punching him fairly well, but then he goes to the corner again and I God help us. God help us, son. I wrote nobody puts Bobby in the quarter. speaker-1: Ha ha ha ha ha. speaker-0: And and then yeah, so then there's there's a a two you know, he basically Bose Edwards has him in a corner, is outlanding him two to one, sometimes three to one in the corner. And that's not like pity pats punches by Bose Edwards and big return punches by Shacone. I mean I think Bose Edwards' punches are the more eventful punches generally too, and he's outlanding him two to one. So round four was easy to give to Bose Edwards, I thought so. speaker-1: I thought it was a little closer than you thought. I still scored it for Boza Edwards. they had wild trading right from the bell. Both guys. there was a nice straight left by Boza Edwards, a straight right by Shikone. Stopped Boza Edwards in his tracks for a second. Big right hook by Boza Edwards. There's a lot of rough infighting, trading on the ropes, but Boza Edwards is getting the better of it. I think like you said, two to one. It might even be like two and a half or three to one. and again those teeth rattling hooks that he's na nailing Chicone with. I put Bose Edwards is busier and neither guy can miss. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah. It's just that Shikone doesn't throw nonstop. I I will say Buzz Edwards throws nonstop. speaker-0: Yeah. He look he's he looks like he's getting paid by you know, it's like signature

gatherers for a ballot measure. He looks like he's getting paid by the punch. speaker-1: Yeah. It's there's the good left hook by Chicone, a big one two by Buzz Edwards. And then because there's not enough action in the three minutes, they fight past the bell. it was a it was a good it was war. in case there's any doubt with three knockdowns in the first three rounds. there you can tell war has been declared at some point. but I give it ten nine for Buzz Edwards. which takes us to the fifth. Mm. Big straight right by Chicone. Boy, if the fight if if each round is five seconds long, he'd be pitching his shit out. that's speaker-0: Yeah. So one two again, right? Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah. another nice shot by McCone, whose nose is bleeding. Now you mentioned that he was cut since the second. Now his nose is bleeding. And like you said, if we can tell that on the TV, it must really be something. they trade wildly on the ropes. Bose Edwards starts getting the be best of it in the corner. Non stop punching. there was a hard jab by Bose Edwards to snap the Shacon's head back again. Now Shikone did fight off the ropes well late and counter had some good counters, but Boza Edwards closed the last five seconds well. It was a very close round, but I gave it t ten nine to Boza Edwards so after five I've got the fight he's clawed his way back to even. How did you how did you see round five? speaker-0: Same. that's right. So yeah, the bloody eye and nose. I mean he's he's a he's kind of a bit of a mess. And I think that nose is if it's not broken, it's full of blood. At some point I thought they said they put something like what did they say? An a an adrenaline plug in his nose or something, an adrenaline something in his n I didn't know that was a thing you do for bloody noses. speaker-1: No, they do it on the eye. speaker-0: but yeah, well that's interesting. So maybe they do. I always thought it was like stereo sticks or something like that. But it doesn't matter because I guess it speeds up, right? So so he Shakone hits on the break again. there's lots of they at some point they stop throwing and they start doing a lot of fainting and stuff like that, which I thought was weird. But then they then when the action starts to get going, somebody loses his mouthpiece and I I was like, you know, looking down when they said that and then when I look up I was like, It's gotta be Shacone who lost his mouthpiece, right? 'Cause he's been like has his mouth wide open for a while now. And and and then that nose problem, he's gotta be having a tough time getting air, so he's got his have his mouth open to give me sucking air 'cause the nose isn't working anymore. And as a result, the mouthpiece came out and it did. And I think that plus plus Boza Edwards coming on late. He I I wrote down that he kinda near the end of the round had essentially threw ten unanswered punches. they weren't all great and but a lot of them landed and nothing was coming back and it was right near

the end of the round, so that was enough to make it a ten nine round for Bose Edwards and it is. It's on my card. He's clawed back to forty six forty six on my card. And on your card too, I assume. Yeah. Which makes the next round interesting because I shot my wad in round six, baby. So that got interesting. So you know there's there's jabs and then there's that one two they jab a couple times and then Shacone lands the one two for the third round in a row. not ev like he's not even held he doesn't even have hands or gloves or whatever. It's like and no head movement. It's like he doesn't even know. Or maybe he's just like, I'm a man and shit. He can go ahead and line that one two at the start of the round doesn't bother me none. Did you not remember he got knocked down with that one two? You'd think a quarter's like, by the way, if you see the left hand coming in the first three seconds, look for the right hand. It's coming right behind it. Or whatever. but then you know but then you know, he ret but then Bose Edwards retaliates and then Shacone retaliates to the retaliation. And now there's another cut. Now there's another cut. Now he's cut on both eyes and bleeding out of the nose. And I believe it's Pacheco that says, Nobody can take this kind of punishment or something to that effect. the the fight is kinda and then he fights out of the corner, and this is where I wrote down like sugar ray and look. Which again felt like it was wrong to say, but that's what it is. It's like, he when he's like when the crowd is who's clearly in Shacone's corner is like triumphantly like cheering his triumphant exit from the corner, like forgetting that he just gotten beat on for like fifteen seconds and then lands two punches and gets out of the corner. What a champ. Woo Exactly. you know, but that goes right back into the corner and then there's some wrestling and then there's some slipping because of the wrestling. you know, and Shacone is is, you know, fast getting the worst of all the exchanges. His his face is clearly getting the worst of all the exchanges, right? And you know, and and I didn't know how to score it and so I said, Gee gee and and but then but that's I mean, I suppose I can have you talk about it and then we will explain what happens between the rounds. So speaker-1: Yeah. Well, would you believe, Butch? I shot my wad as well. We had simultaneous exchange, as Sattel would say. yeah, thank you. yeah. speaker-0: No, you didn't you didn't ghost a towel on me, did you? speaker-1: I'm pretty proud of that joke. Okay, big one two at the start by Shikone, like you said. They start trading. Buzz Edwards to the head, Shikone to the body. Buzz Edwards also has been mixing in uppercuts up close, which of course cannot miss. Shikone's back is on the ropes again, but he's having some success now. And it's still nonstop punching. Incredible. huge right hook to the body by Shikone. They're trading clean bombs. It's crazy. I put, I don't know, wide shot.

Boom. So now So what you were alluding to in between rounds October sixth, yeah. comes to talk to Shikone and he is looking him over because he looks like he stuck his face in a wood chipper. And he says I believe he says one more round. I'll give you one round or something like that, right, Butch? speaker-0: Yes, he says one round or and then later we'll hear his corner say he's got one round. and we're in the sixth, by the way. So just d put a bookmark in this. In the six at the end of the sixth round, the doctor is saying, I'm gonna give you one more round. yeah. And and again, I saw the doctor flip Homansky up there and I remember this is what I thought. I w I remember hearing Milzane going, Can it continue? And Homansky going, Yes. I was like, okay, 'cause it's like the difference is is like that was an earbite, right? on Evander Holyfield. And by the way, that was a worse cut than any of these ones 'cause there's a chunk of Evander missing at the end of that one. But let's just say it doesn't obscure his vision or or impede his breathing, whereas Jacone's in a a a world of hurt left eye, right eye, and middle of his face, which he had had plastic surgery on, they said. But they're gonna give him one more round to go out there, so he better go for a knockout. So let's see if he does. what did you see in round seven? speaker-1: Well it's a little bit slower start, the round after all the drama. Considering the speaker-0: And comments. Yeah, he d he doesn't seem to have a lot of urgency, Chacone doesn't. Yeah. speaker-1: And eventually, maybe thirty or forty seconds in, Buzz Edwards pins Chicone on the ropes and it heats up. Then a steel randomly calls for her. speaker-0: Mm. Yeah. Well again, the f Ferdy Pacheco's got his back on this. He's like the way he's talking about the cuts, he's like he can't believe he he can't believe that they're that they're letting that they let it go. But it's only been a minute and a half, right? It's like you know, is it how much worse has it gotten in the minute and a half, I guess? But basically you're just giving somebody a rest at this point is what you're doing. speaker-1: Right. And and you know, this is, you know, back when we're we're transitioning, we're try we're you know, Lord help us 'cause it won't have fully kicked in through our next fight, but you know, we're starting to try and get away from some of the old rules and some of the all over the place with the rules and so one of the rules that was being drifted away from is the standing eight count. speaker-0: Yeah it was. Nowhere in this. speaker-1: standing count is a rule that's put in place ostensibly for safety, which is if you see a guy getting pummeled, you stop the action for given you give an eight count and that allows you to assess as the referee whether the fight should continue or not. Now the reason that sounds that sounds all well and good. The reason the ten point must or the I'm sorry, the standing eight count was not well liked

was Basically you're depriving one fighter of the chance to capitalize on an advantage he's right, he's got the guy hurt and then you're stopping it and you're basically rewarding the other guy and letting him take a break, take a breather, collect himself. so, you know, as long as it doesn't happen again, I guess it's okay, butch we'll see. speaker-0: Yeah. There you go. speaker-1: But so Steele calls for the you know, and and like you said, he just checked him a minute ago. Now he's checking him again. The doctor says not much longer. Yeah. so Shikone goes for it. but there's a big right hook by Boza Edwards and he's pummeling Shacone on the ropes. And Boza Edwards is smothering Shikone in the corner and he cannot miss. So he beats the hell out of Shakone for the rest of the round. It's a ten nine round. I guess the fight's gonna be stopped. What do you say, but speaker-0: Yeah, well it's at some point Steah when Steele tells the doc to look at his face, that's when one of the guys, probably Pacheco, I think, who says it ain't gonna go much longer. basically they're thinking if it if it makes it to the end of the round, the ra it's gonna be over. So this is his he's given him like a minute and a half to to do what he's gonna do. And I wrote Shacone is a mask of the red death And then and then you know what it looked like at some point? He had so much blood on the left side of his face, he looked like like Road Warrior hawk with that face paint and stuff like that. I might be thinking the wrong word where it might be World Warrior animal, but whatever. He the the the paint all the way down his cheek is what it looked like. It's just a big yeah, it it's it was it was bad stage makeup. my daughter had to like have a death scene in a play and she had all the stage blood like all over her and it and and it looked about as fake as that except this is real. It's like, wow. I so I can see why they're making a big deal about it and stuff. I c you can't really see the cuts. Even when they show close up, you can't see the cuts, but you can see the blood, and it's a lot of blood, right? speaker-1: I I don't even know if the cuts are above the eye or below. I I really don't. Do you? speaker-0: No, it doesn't. And the thing is I you you really wonder it's like if i if we saw this live when it was happening, would we have had a better view or is it just deterioration of recordings over decades and stuff like that? You know, because i it's clearly it doesn't look like the cuts like you know, you know, Lennox Lewis versus Klitschko cut, you know, which I mean that was that was a horrifying cut, right? It's like you know, you can there was No reason anybody would look at that cut and think, that's we gotta stop this fight. But this this doctor keeps looking at it and he keeps saying, Okay, well, we're gonna let you go. Pacheco just cannot believe they're letting the fight go on. but I gave this round to Bosa Edwards as well, so now he's back in front. and then if we're gonna flip over to round eight, Bosa comes out and immediately drives again Shikone across the ring, a huge one two three with left and right hooks, a three punch combo, Cornelius is looking like he's gonna punch himself out and then the ref calls time again. Yeah, speaker-1: Not cool. speaker-0: but the thing is is like this is this is really the referee and the fight doctor having a disagreement, right? The referee look, dude, if I I've this is a fight that should be stopped. Pacheco's On the same side, right? Pacheco's done this job, right? They call him the fight doctor for a reason, don't they? Is it bec wasn't he an actual fight doctor at some point or a speaker-1: Ali's he was Ali's doctor. speaker-0: Yeah, doctor, right. So that's that says a lot. And then but but he asks him if he wants to continue and that's just gonna set Pacheco off again. You don't ask a fighter if he wants to continue. What's a fighter gonna say? Of course a fighter gonna say he wants to continue. It's your job as a doctor to protect the fighter and not let him continue when you don't think he should. speaker-1: Well and and Pacheco at some point, I think it's this round, says, Steel apparently has forgotten that he has the power to stop the fight. He does not need permission from the speaker-0: that that this is just a this is just a I think I think what's happening here is Steele probably feels like he's doesn't want to do it, but he wants the r the doctor to do it. So he keeps telling the doctor, take another look, wink wink, would you just stop the fight? And and again, we're gonna see where this goes, but he doesn't. And so, but they basically they're like, Yeah, I want to continue. So you're going, okay, so again, get the end of the round and we'll see, right? So they get to the end of the round, and Shikone lands a couple one two two or three one twos there, and and some short hooks, but then he's right back into the corner and then, he lands a couple combos in the corner again. He looks better in the corner this round, but he's still getting pounded. I counted at the last fifteen seconds, Bose Edwards outlet him ten to three in the last fifteen seconds. And they were better they were the better punches, not just more of but they were better. And and so I gave it again to Bose Edwards. It was a good round for Shacomb, but I I think he benefited from the time the from the st from the timeout, you know, or at least I thought at the time. I'm not sure now looking back that he did, but so anyway, so Bose Edwards, I have him up two again. What do you think? speaker-1: Yeah, I scored it the same way. I'm with you. I definitely think I I I I definitely was like, What when steel stops it again? Because you can't you just can't keep handing brakes out left and right. You know. and as Marv Albert pointed out, you know, these brakes are much longer than a standing A count would have been. Right, because you're you're it's not it's it's not an A count. You're

taking over to the doctor's looking, hey, what do you you know, do you wanna fight? Blah blah blah. It's probably more like a fifteen or twenty second break. And Steele needs to grow some balls. If he wants to stop the fight, stop it. Wave it off. No one's gonna argue. Who's I mean, i he's taking a beating, yeah, I think. I'm not saying the fight should have been stopped. I but I but if it if steel Thinks it should, then stop it. You're the ref. It's not like he's a f w it's not like he's afraid to pull the trigger on a fight. speaker-0: Yeah, th well we know that for sure. Listen, I don't wanna say that everybody in the arena thinks that this fight should be stopped if soon if he doesn't do something, but when he gets into his corner after round eight and before round nine, Shakone Shakone's corner tells him, This is your last round. Yeah. And then Shakone replies to that with this phrase, and I shit you not, I quote, What round is it? It's like your fighter's a bloody mess and he doesn't know what round it is. He literally asks you what round it is. And yet they were gonna go, Yeah, four more rounds sounds good. keep going, buddy. speaker-1: Yeah, we're we're two thirds of the way through already. Yeah. speaker-0: The punchers chant. So what did you see in round nine? speaker-1: Well, I a I didn't even tell you what I I will just finish up my thoughts around eight. speaker-0: yeah, please do, yeah. speaker-1: I will say I thought Pacheco was kinda being a bitch. speaker-0: He's a bitch, yes. He was a bitch. speaker-1: I like the fight doctor and I love his commentary, but he was really whining. and and I gave that round ten nine close to Bose Edwards because Shicone was doing a little better than he had, but still taking a beating. round nine, after another last round warning, t for Shikone, I you said that was his corner that gave it to him this time. Yep. Yeah. they started trading from the bell. That's a shocker. Yeah. Bose Edwards is pounding a Shikone across the ring. Now Shikone is getting his shots in. and I put the one cut is really nasty. I don't remember which one that was. I believe the right eye was real nasty. I noticed that Shikone's white shorts were now pink shorts. I about had a Pinklin Thomas sighting. another combination by Buzz Edwards. Shikone's fighting off the ropes. It's war. then I thought Shikone had dropped Bosa Edwards for a second, but it was a slip about at heart attack. A strong finish b by Boza Edwards as and the as Shikone slip snap. So it was kind of a wild, crazy round, very rough. for the third round in a row I gave it to Boza Edwards. yeah. What did you see in round nine? speaker-0: Well, we finally break on the scoring 'cause I and I wrote I wrote in the margin charity com question mark, maybe dot dot dot, but I gave round nine to Chacone and I did it mostly because he's going for flurries, he's landing some, he's fighting off the ropes, he's showing a lot of heart. He's g he he's still getting, you know, outworked, you know, but Bosa slips and Bosa starts to look Bosa looks a little bit like he slips because he's getting tired and wobbly and worn out and probably punched out. And he probably I don't think we ever see him truly punched out. Well we'll see in this. But but then, you know, and then you're thinking, Well, you know, it's coming around to to Shakone's way, but then Shacone slips in a c in the corner and you're like, Okay, somebody just looks throw some cat litter on the ring or something, you know, give the they need some traction. It's a it's It's a mess when they both slip in this round. But if the round speaker-1: a towel and let him move it around with his foot, right? speaker-0: That's exactly right. So I think I gave round nine mostly a charity because again, he's really trying you know, he's been telling him since the end of round six we're gonna stop it. And finally in round nine it looks like he's trying to do something that might turn the fight around. speaker-1: Now tell me this, Butch, is it because you don't think that it's gonna go the scorecards 'cause of all the warnings that the is that what made you speaker-0: I I don't know why he's thinking why he wouldn't think that, right? I can't believe he he comes out for round seven and he they're like, We're gonna stop it and he doesn't act like he thinks that. And then he comes out for round eight and they say they're gonna stop it, and he doesn't act like he thinks that. And then he comes out in round nine, his corner says it's the last round and f finally again it's near the end of the round or middle of the round. He doesn't come out like a ball of fire. They're like, after that Pacheco's like, watch him, he's gonna come out like a ball of fire. And he doesn't. Yeah. He eventually does, turns it on, and he's effective. And you're thinking, if he could just sustain this, because it sure looks like Bosa's like wiped now. Like, I can't throw this damn left hand anymore. It's I've thrown it so many times, right? He he looks like he's ripe for the ticking, but he just doesn't go for it until finally he does, and it he's just not effective at it. But I for charity's sake, and because he finally is really putting in the work to try and take this turn this fight around. I gave it to him. I don't know. yeah. And but it it turns out that at the end of this round, the doctor is taking a look for the fourth round in a row after four you know, after sixth, seventh, eighth, now the ninth round ends, and the doctor is taking a look at it again. And it appears that at this point they're just gonna say, Well, if he wants to keep fighting, we'll let him keep fighting. Yeah. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: And I somebody, I don't know if it's this round or the next round, somebody says in this corner, it's not even bleeding anymore. Nobody in the universe thinks that that's true. but it's a funny thing to say. It's like, well, and you know, it's like, you know, and he wants to keep fighting and

so they're gonna let him keep fighting. and immediately he gets away with a low blow. speaker-1: Yeah. speaker-0: Immediately. And then you know and then he he he pushes forward for a bit and then he gives ground once again. Bose Edwards looks really tired and tired of punching corn, you know, Shakone in the face, basically is what it is. Then Shakone lands some double hooks to the body. He has his hands down, but his head movement is suddenly because I think you know Bose Edwards is tired and his hand speeds dropped and stuff like that. Suddenly Shakone's head movement is like giving Bose Edwards trouble. He's not really landing. much certainly not like he was before but on the other hand he's so busy with that elusive head movement that he goes almost 30 seconds Chacon does without throwing anything. Yeah. So so I he's doing better. He's he's on the defensive and the defense is working because Bose Edwards is missing a lot and he's wearing himself out throwing the punches but he just doesn't do enough I didn't think. so I couldn't in good conscience, I wrote I literally wrote those words, couldn't cannot in good conscience give this to Chacomb because he just doesn't do enough offensively. He looks way better defensively. But he's but he's still outlanded in this round. And and so I gave round ten to to b to Bosa. So speaker-1: Yeah, I did too. we had more more Doctor Flip and I believe was this the round where they also had the other doctor taking a looking at the bike? speaker-0: Yeah, th at some point there's two doctors in there and this I think this is the round, yeah. speaker-1: And I don't have a problem with doctors looking and letting a fight continue. It's just the fact that they were so adamant four rounds ago. this is the problem to me. I'm sure Flip learned a lesson here in this fight, which is don't make a statement you're not gonna back up. Yeah. Right. But you know, I'm okay with them letting the fight continue if they think, you know, it's okay. I know Flip does the look over here, look over there kind of thing. Yeah. And Pacheco tries to Ferd explain it to us and and Albert says, What the hell can they tell him? speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: and p and and Albert says, What seriously, what can they what can they learn from a cursory examination like that? And Pacheco goes, Nothing. Not a thing. speaker-0: Well, you're right though. what they're what they have here at the end once round ten ends and they've given the warning, given the warning, given the warning, now they don't really have a choice anymore. They they can't stop it now. 'Cause I mean it's it's like, you know, if they didn't stop it earlier, they've kind of lost their opportunity. Unless it gets demonstrably worse, like his eye closes or something, they can't do it now. And so they're stuck. speaker-1: The window is closed, much like his eyes, the window is closed. and if you stop and now in the eleven if you stop in the seventh or eighth, nobody says anything. I think. on speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah, anybody that looks at that cut and they can think it. But now it's like now speaker-1: Stop at round eleven. It's like, what the hell, man? They had four minutes left or whatever. But let me tell you how I scored round ten. Yeah. big right hook to the body by Shikone. More unbelievable trading by these guys. But I thought for the first time, maybe in the fight, Shikone is landing the heavier shots. But Boza Edwards never rests. Underlined. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: And Shikone does. There's a big one, too, by Shikon, but Boza Edwards answers. I put again his trunks are red with Shakone's blood. A flurry in the corner by Boza Edwards, lots of uppercuts. Shikone is fighting back, incredible. but as tired as Boza Edwards is, he's a nonstop punching machine, and like you said, there was a thirty minute break. I did I did think that Shikone took the opportunity to steal another low blow. Thank you. Thank you. very much so but I scored at ten nine close very close ten nine for Bose Edwards that is the fourth round in a row I've scored for him. speaker-0: Yeah, and I and I should have too, but I charitably gave one to Chicone. So listen, my scorecard after ten, I have Bose Edwards up two. And you have him up four. speaker-1: Yeah, I haven't given Shikone a round since the second. Which speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: was the round I was not gonna give him until he scored a knockdown. speaker-0: Yeah, so put a bookmark in that. So tell us about Riley Lemon And speaker-1: Sounds like your legs are going too. speaker-0: I'm I'm I'm Pose Edwardsing over here. speaker-1: you. right hook by Shikon. First signs of fatigue by Boza Edwards is as Chicone fights out of the corner. right uppercut by Shikon. Boza Edwards is busier. Shikon more accurate. Boza Edwards seems tentative now. but he's still throwing. But he he does seem a little tentative. a big right hook to the body by Chicone. Shakone's shots are heavier and he hurts Buzz Edwards at about two minutes thirty seconds. That would be thirty seconds left in the round. Buzz Edwards is now in the corner jabbing. this is I put Shacone's best round in a while and I give the round to Shikone. So for the first time in nine rounds, I've given Shakone a a round ten nine. speaker-0: Yeah, and I did too. my favorite line maybe of the night is they're talking about how tired Bose Edwards looks and then once again Freddie Pacheco man who earned that paycheck tonight. Holy cow did he earn the paycheck for color commentary tonight. He's like Bose's legs are going, but Chacon's face is gone. Woo! And that's very true. Yeah. So I think he's really trying to emphasize there's some facial lacerations going on. But Chicone lands a few, but some of it looked like it's for show. He he throws a looping body shot, you know, you know, he drives Bosa out of the corner. He and then Bosa Edwards starts to look a little stronger and aggressive late, like he was taking some of the round off. and then, you

know, and you're like, Well, geez, he looks like he's barely there, but then he like kind of knuckles down. He looks a little bit like almost Hearns like. where he's like throwing the left and then big right falling, although it's right and left in his case. but yeah, so so it i I gave it to Shakone because I thought Shakone did look better. So listen, this is weird. You're right. You hadn't given Shakone a round since the second. I just gave him the round and now it's a one point fight on my card. Good heavens. As w as i I just don't you know, as mu as much as he's been on life support in terms of his chances of winning this fight, Shikone is he, you know, he's like he's like just a ten nine round from a draw. And you're like, how could how have we gotten here to this point? I don't know. but so yeah so then we have round twelve and good lord it's like they're they're you know they're both they're both pushing both directions out at range. I th Bosa Edwards is missing some pretty missing pretty badly a couple of times. He's just doesn't have the the balance there and his accuracy is suffering, and Shikone lands and f frickin' drops him with a combination. And I'm and I was just you know, noting that it's a one point fight and now he's knocked him down and I'm like, my good lord. you know, and you know, he starts coming after him. Bosa's not, you know, throwing anymore. He's in defensive mode. He's very wobbly. He's very inaccurate. He's trying to push Shakone down by the head. He's got both hands on the back of his neck and trying to push him down. That's that's so we've already seen Bronze Bomber in this fight and now we're seeing Tyson Fury in this fight. That's great. That's the the taller fightership dune. it's a very big slip by Boza Edwards that literally looks like he's wearing roller skates for a sec. And Shacone comes on and Shakone is in his is, you know, driving him back And then and then the door briefly swings the other way and Bose Edwards makes a push, but and then they're laying on each other kind of at the bell. But man, it's a knockdown. Ten eight rounds, Chicone. What can you do, man? So how'd you see it? speaker-1: it was crazy. Shikone is coming on at the start and he drops Buzz Edwards early in the round at about forty five seconds. Which is nuts. Like you said. I mean he's been on life support for sure. then some wild swinging by Shikone. and Buzz Edwards is fighting on fumes. This is illustrated when Shikone has his back to the ropes and Buzz Edwards is leaning on him and he's literally tapping him to the face. Combinations that you would throw to a baby. Yes. Right? If you were like in sh- speaker-0: Shadow boxing your kitty cat. Yes, exactly. Yeah. speaker-1: It was I I've never seen that. I I thought at times Ali and Leonard would do s you know, pity pat com flurries. This is the ultimate pity pat. He's he he looks like his brain's telling him he has to throw punches, but he's not even aware that they they wouldn't they really wouldn't break, you know paper. I mean they're they're light as a feather. but you know, For some reason Shacone stops punching for thirty seconds. Like he's like, I've got the fight in the back. I speaker-0: he he's like he's clowning for the crowd at some point, right? speaker-1: I was like, What are you doing? This guy's ready to go. Finish him off because you know speaker-0: What does he think he's gonna win this fight? speaker-1: Yes. I I I did I I was like, he must know he's behind. Well, we'll see. speaker-0: Dave Moretti disagrees, but I get ahead of myself. speaker-1: Yeah. so Shikone finally re rekindles his attack from the first minute and and quits clowning a little bit and but they get to the bell. It should've never happened. Buzz Edwards should have been knocked cold by one good punch, but Shacone just felt like he didn't have to throw anymore. Definitely And definitely a ten eight round. so thanks to the six point swing in the first two rounds, he made it close, but I still have Edward Boza Edwards up one point, one thirteen, one twelve. Now I believe you have it the other way, right, Buch? speaker-0: I do. I have Chicone winning the fight one thirteen one twelve. And it's both it's interesting that we have it one thirteen one twelve because none of the referees do math the way we do math. it's it's pretty amazing. I don't know how else else to describe it. So we go to the judges' scorecards and it's it's a unanimous decision. speaker-1: Before you go on, Butch, Pacheco had it one fifteen, one thirteen for Buzz Edwards. speaker-0: Yeah, I I think I can see that. But again, w what are how are they do they're not doing math the way we're doing math, right? They're not giving these ten eight rounds. They're not. And it's crazy. Although one of does have fewer points than the other, right? So so basically basically they end up you know with two hundred and eighteen points between them except for the middle referee who ends up with two hundred and seventeen points for some reason. Or two hundred and twenty seven points or whatever. And I don't know what why he had one fewer point given because he must be taking something away for a knockdown. Yeah. speaker-1: We had two fewer than he had. speaker-0: Yeah, exactly. So so the judges scorecards have Judge Ford one fifteen one thirteen, Tabit one fifteen one twelve, I think and then Dave Meridi. God bless Dave Maridi. One seventeen one eleven bullshit I wrote. All for the winner. Shacone declared Bobby Shacone declared the winner of this fight. And again, I had him winning on my scorecard. I think it's cause that that two point that three point swing in the first round. Minus that three point swing in the first round, I have him winning by two, right? So I have Bose Edwards winning by two. In the first round, the first round was the one that shouldn't have been the knockdown. Yeah. It could have been a s it could have been rolled a slip, and that was a three point swing in that

round. And that's the one that I think probably I thought all the other knockdowns were legit in this fight, but not that one. Or at least maybe not that one, right? But again speaker-1: seventeen one eleven. I wrote what? speaker-0: Yeah, I don't know what he was watching. Basically going into this last round then, he had it one seven, you know, to one to one two. He already had he had he had him up five and I was like, What rounds are you watching that you think he's up you know, the whatever. So it doesn't matter. It's clear. Yeah. You know, because he's he the point says he's not given ten eight rounds in those first two rounds, right? Right. The points say that. So if he's not given ten eight rounds, how in the world does he have Shakona up that high in that r fight. I have no idea. speaker-1: Well you must have gave damn near every round. really. And you know, I think, you know, it's a fight where scoring it like we did and saying, okay, one guy scored three knockdowns, that would maybe eke it out to him. Basically like Wilder Fury one, where you're like I feel like one guy controlled most of the action, but there's some knockdowns that's that make it closer than that. but one seventeen, one eleven is a sin. that is just that's Adelaide Bird like speaker-0: Yeah. Yeah, because essentially it's nine three is what he given. And I'm saying, okay, so Shacone won the first round because he got a knockdown, the second round because he got a knockdown. I could see them giving the sixth round to him. you know, I did give him round nine, you didn't. You know, I could s and I gave him round eleven and you did too and round twelve. So I have him getting six rounds. I don't know where you get those other three rounds at. speaker-1: I don't either. I think you can give I I can see him get winning a one point fight maybe. Yeah. I can even see him winning the fight, I guess. I'm sort of okay with one fifteen, one thirteen and one fifteen, one twelve, but one seventeen, one eleven I'm like Yeah I don't get it. But speaker-0: quite travesty ra era. But well listen, that's an interesting speaker-1: Yeah, it was something. It was a hell of a fate. speaker-0: So let's talk about where it ranks then. I'm I let me just throw out a couple things on this. It was very back and forth action. The four knockdowns were all make for an interesting fight. It goes back and forth. I don't know what to think about the fact that I was, you know, it's a unanimous decision in a way that's kind of opposite what I thought, even though again I say it again, I scored it the f the I scored the fight giving it to the guy who they say won. but it's just it's so messy, and the controversy about the whole cut thing just feels ugly and tainted a little bit. But I don't know. I'm op but it's but yet it's a very compelling fight and very action packed fight, you know. So I don't know what to do with it. I know it's gonna be near the top. I just don't know how close to the top it's gonna be. speaker-1: Yeah, so let me make my argument in favor of this fight, but So we have had some great fights and we have at the top Hagler Hearns. Hagler Hearns, of course, there's no question part of what makes that fight such great fight is the magnitude of the fight. That was the big fight. Yep. A world stopping fight between two all time greats in their prime. Yep. So I agree that this fight does not match that. Although it is a meaningful fight. It's but the other things we like about Hagler Hearns are the nonstop two way action and the drama. speaker-0: Of well they stop because of cuts. speaker-1: And this fight has four times more of that stuff. I mean, not four times more of the action, but this fight's every bit as action packed as Tagler Hearns. It's just that they're junior featherweights or whatever. Super featherweights speaker-0: Yeah. Super featherways. speaker-1: not middleweights. Yeah. And but there's drama every round. There's knockdowns. I th I personally thought this was a really fun fight. I'm willing to, you know, be swayed, but I thought it was the best one so far. speaker-0: Yeah, I just can't put it above Hagler Hearns, I don't think. Okay. And I'll tell you why. The referee st call you know, has the doctor look. Is it the same doctor? It's not the same. Is it the same doctor looks? 'Cause I mean that's the that's two years later, right? Is it Flip O'Mansky looking? In in Hagler Hearns taking a look. Yeah. So yeah, yeah, you get the sense I I got the sense that Hagler when they stopped the fight and had the rev the doctor look at it and say he can continue, I got the sense that Hagler then said, All right, I gotta go finish him off and he did. speaker-1: That's part of the lore of the plane. speaker-0: He did well, but he did. He went out and achieved a knockout ne thinking he needing needed a one. this fight would seem to tell you he didn't need one, although I guarantee if it was the same fight doctor, that fight doctor got told off after this fight. Saying if you're gonna make a big stink about how you're gonna stop the fight, then you gotta stop the fight. And so that probably would have weighed into his decision to stop the fight with her with Hagl in the Hagler Hearns fight. you know, and and it's just, you know, the fact that That this one ended with a knockdown, but it again it felt the whole time like what this was coming to an end is Chicone is just hoping that the other guy's gonna fall down from exhaustion of beating him. And and that's essentially sorta what happened, is that he just got so tired of being winning a one sided fight, that we add that to to the knockdown that he scored late to the knockdown that might not have been a knockdown in the first round. And all of that somehow plus the one seventeen, one eleven nonsense and how does that all come out to this outcome? It it's compelling, but my inclination is to I would my inclination is to put it at two. speaker-1: Okay, I'll allow that one.

speaker-0: Alright, so speaker-1: What do we have it through I don't have my notebook with me for the other fights and usually I have I have it with me. What speaker-0: Yeah, all right. So speaker-1: do we have it what did we have it to? speaker-0: we had at two. We had Vargas Mura at two. speaker-1: Okay. speaker-0: So now it's at three, ca Carralis Castillo's at four. And again, this fight felt a lot like the Corrales Castillo fight. It's just with more knockdowns instead of, you know, all the knockdowns happening in the last round. Yeah. speaker-1: But I'll I'll go along with because I made that same argument for that fight, which is the endings was somewhat sullied. speaker-0: Yeah. speaker-1: taking a little bit away speaker-0: By the quick end to it. It's just it wasn't a long draw it was a like a snap decision by one guy rather than rather than the doctor having f round after round of making bad decisions is what it is. You know, and again, the bad decision could have been to not stop it or the bad decision could have been to keep threatening he's gonna stop it, right? You cannot you can't do one and not you if you're gonna do the one, you gotta do the other, right? It's like all right, only you know, it's like telling your kid if you d if you take another cookie, I'm gonna slap your hand. They take another cookie. What did I tell you? Don't take another cookie. I'll slap your hand. They keep taking cookies and you're like, okay, I guess it's Yeah. So there it is. So but now, having enjoyed a fight from the early eighties, we're gonna enjoy a fight from the late eighties. This is the year that you and I, Rob McCullough and Patrick Brennan, graduated high school, nineteen eighty-eight, the fight of the year, our high school graduation year of nineteen eighty-eight. And we are gonna go next to Tony Lopez versus Rocky Lockridge part one. First fight. speaker-1: More mayhem. Have you watched this fight yet? speaker-0: I've not watched this fight, so I'm looking forward to mayhem 'cause it seems like a recurring theme that mayhem is what makes for fights of the year in some cases. although I can't there was mayhem in this but clearly there was a lot of action in this fight. So it'll have it has a lot to live up to. and it's and it's funny, it's like, you know, I I I know at my heart that I was not a boxing fan as much in high school as I was in college. and and that's why I was like, I don't know any of these fights. Why don't I know any of these fights? They fights of the year, why don't I not know them? Because A Sports Center wasn't really a thing yet. I mean, I guess technically, you know, we were standing up and watching CNN sports late night or whatever at eleven thirty. Yeah. speaker-1: sports machine, but speaker-0: Well, that was a once a week thing, you know, the sports machine. I I we would stay up and watch the play of the day at eleven fifty five every night 'cause we had to we had to know. Back before they had a top ten on ESPN. Actually ESPN was still doing the top ten. We just didn't care. Cause it was hick and nick, baby. All right. So that does it for us this week, ladies and gentlemen. Thanks for staying up late here on the Saturday night at the Fights Monday night version. if you need me in seven and a half hours, I'll be staffing a committee meeting, bleary eyed, and hopefully not stumbling over my words. but that's gonna do it for us tonight. And so any last words? speaker-1: Hey, if if you disagree with me one more time on a fight, I'm gonna stop the podcast. speaker-0: Stop the podcast. Stop the podcast. All right, ladies and gentlemen, and we are out.