Full Transcript for Bourbon & Beyond Bottle Share at Monk's Road Boiler House w/JD Fritzges; Ep. 92

doesn't hit you at the tip really. And I think a lot of people are burnt out on MGP, but the the true fans know what MGP really is. And now they're coming out with their own brand, MGP. Well in the I mean they're the old school low barrel entry proof that I don't have to You know, with that higher water content they could just get so much more flavor out of the wood, right? Yep. Whether I mean there have been some things MGP I'm maybe not necessarily my palate, but there are so many things that the flavor that comes out of it. Yes. And that comes down to the N D P that's playing around with it. You know, some people know what they're doing and some people are experimenting with what they're doing. And when the people that really know how to treat that MGP like a mean at old Louisville, you've got Ch Chase over at Nulu who's really finding in His stride with what he's putting out with the maple brulees and the double oats, and he's really learned how to treat that MGP. That's good. So we're here, Bourbon and Beyond. Yeah. Concerts yesterday. Yesterday was day one. Who stuck out to you as like exceptional? Who did you really love? So and and I'm gonna say this, this is a little weird because it was an early band. Stanley Simmons. Okay. It they're the it's the kids of Gene Simmons from KISS. No kidding. I didn't put the two and two together. It's it's their kids. And I'll tell you what, of all the bands, I mean put together great sound, great harmonies, great just talented. Yeah. I like scene. You know, it's just like a new bourbon that just comes out that is just really good, and you're just like okay, okay. That's good stuff. We liked it. Yeah, especially when a company comes out with a four-year-old and you're you can recognize the the great qualities of that, and just know that number another three, four years, it's gonna be tremendous. for me at the concert venue, there were three that really stuck out in my mind as being exceptional performances. The first was Linda Perry with four non-blondes Man, the pipes on her still like it's unreal. Right. And then live for as long as they've been doing it. Well in in and live was a throw-in. Yeah, they were last minute. So they replaced Joan Jett, who was who's supposed to be here, she hurt her back. And to see them perform that was really a treat. And then Queens of the Stone Age I thought just rocked the place down. I mean holy moly. The the talent on those the music musically talented and gifts that those guys have. And and we ran back and forth, I think, between stages. I I probably had fifty thousand steps yesterday. You know, the Fray was really good. That's the newer style. The Fray, plain white t shirts. Yeah, the plain white T's were good too. Lindsay Sterling, the violinist, was awesome. I don't know how she bends and moves like that. And then it says there was an object in the track and it would still be tracked. And still be able to play the violin. Yeah. It makes me wanna see her like a feature show that she does. With all the costume changes, just what she does as a the like a theater not a happy. And she's got classical stuff as well as movies. I'm not literally gonna do this. That's talent you don't see at least that's who you looking forward to seeing today. Well I'm I really like Mumford & Sons Mm-hmm. You know, so I'm I'm that's what I'm queued up about. I think today I think we looked at some of the earlier stuff and we're like, you know what? I'm gonna do the bottle share today. Yep. Come in and bring some stuff and then whatever time we make it back to the venue. I mean yesterday was long day. And didn't get back to the hotel until midnight. I said well. Yeah, we were in the same boat. We got there about one o'clock. Yeah. I mean I mean we get back stuff. Steph was great. And I and then I'm like, all right, well now I guess I get to do my editing and put out the podcast from from from Derek yesterday. Did that interview with Derek Trucks. Yep. Been waiting for a long time for that one. There's plenty of food in there. And and they're great people. They they they kept saying, All right, no, we'll do it, we'll do it and then we said we're going to Bourbon & Beyond Meet you in media tent from this time to this time. And then they ended up stairs and said I'm out here being a little bit late, but it worked out. We got our ten minutes in and what a nice guy. I love that you had that experience. You know, just the music background, the bourbon background. And I think they do go hand in hand, but I even say that about flying. No, it's there's science but it's really an artist. And to have that touch, that feel, that taste. You a hunter certainly. So old Louisville, final thoughts. So using your scale out of five. Out of five. So it's a good present of someone as like three nine, four. Somewhere in there. I'm I really like it. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, we were really high on this one as well. And it it it when we received this one we were doing going back and forth between the nine year and the eleven year. That every once in a while the nine year would win and then the eleven year would win. And then we blended them. So dude took two of the bottles and did a half fifty fifty blend with both of them. Yeah. And he's like that might be better than both of them individually. So it's it's crazy just experimentation, what you can learn about What these profiles do when they marry. I think maybe I'll go four. I'm not I'm not gonna be wishy washy on it, but yeah. Yeah, I do like it. A lot. Yeah, that's right where we were. We were in that four to four point two realm on it. And then we were about four three, four four on the nine year. What I like the rye taste on it. That's what you're seeing in your It's really pleasant. You get a little bit of that orange marmalade. Like I I always say when I when I'm drinking, I get that orange marmalade. Yeah. That's nice. I think we should follow this up though. He said, let's do it. I think we need to

try that Ass Pocket Whiskey Rye I think we should. Yeah, I'll give it software format spelling. So Derek gave me this yesterday. eleven year old. It's hundred proof. I do believe this is MGP as well. nice. Ninety five five. Probably close. Yeah. So this just came out this year. Okay. And then they also came out with a new search. Okay. Which was with him with Danny Wimmer. Yeah. No, I don't have a bottle of that. I did try that with him. He opened a bottle, handed it to me, just I took a sweep and then he took a s he pulled it out of his pocket, his ass pocket. well he had his people go grab it. That would have been funny if he reached back behind and pulled it out of his back pocket though. That is what this is called, right? Yeah. And it does it so it's I have a number of I'm I I have been a fan of it. Lot five was a twenty year old Tennessee whiskey. And I bel bring it? I b I d I brought it. Okay. dang it it's one of my favorites. I think you know I'm a rag guy. Yeah. Well and that's why I brought a few things to It's got that marmalade. Yeah. I was getting like a like a maple syrup. Yeah, I can see that too. It's like a well gotta tell you a pancake maple syrup. Yeah. Cheers. That is nice. Wow. No, that's a chef. And there's no dill on that whatsoever. No. None. Dude, this I might I may have found your rye. Yeah. 'Cause he hates the dill note. Right. And I'll be honest, I was never a Rye guy. And I I s I've been listening What was your gateway? Did you have like a breakthrough moment with Rye that a specific one where you're like, you know what, I like that. I've had Yes. So I I think my first one was the Bourbon Pursuit Triple Mash Rye. Great choice. Yes. And then I'm like, okay, I think I I think I can try this. I think I can do this. And then from there, camera. So I did an oak and age pick. But I fell in love with that. Now I and I've always been like an old JWD fan. Like that old school Bardstown high rye bourbon. Because that's that's what my grandfather drank. And so I but I I think like in the the older bourbons, you don't get a lot of that that rye aftertaste, that rye spice. Yeah. It's a little more mellow, more tranquil. But I definitely get that hundred percent. Yeah, that's that's a good one. My my breakthrough rye was Michter's that lower rye content. I think it's like fifty-two percent. It's got a higher corn content in it. Yeah. Michter's was my door to what I know rye whiskey now. And the best rye whiskey I've ever had was Nashville Barrel Company single barrel. It was an 11-year-old and it was called the James the Godfather, which James is their blender down at Nashville Barrel Company. And this thing was a hundred and twenty nine proof at eleven years old and it was a beautifully just mingled single barrel that he discovered and was like, I gotta put that out. what was that So a lot of this stuff now Derek is actually they're putting it in the barrel. You know, so he goes in, they they taste the mash, they taste the distillate, they put it in the barrel, and then they're waiting. So they've got stuff that they've been waiting on that they go to check it every year. Yeah. Does he disclose what barrels they're using? No. Not to me yet. Yeah. 'Cause like Peerless they exclusively use Kelvin. Okay. And Kelvin is known for their craft in their wood, you know, and independent stage company, they're known for mass production of, you know, putting out barrels to ninety percent of the trail. That's like Buzzard's Roost Yep. Yes. so talk with Jason. He was telling me he's got seventeen proprietary chars and toasts that he uses for all his stuff. Yeah. I mean it's amazing, huh? How many different variations before they figure out what they want. Because you don't you're not gonna put out twenty two different products, right? Okay. That nose is so nice. Yeah. This will be expensive. I love it when the nose gets better. Have you ever woken up the next morning and nose your glass, empty glass with that brown spot in the bottom of it? So I we went to north of Bourbon for dinner Wednesday night. And I broke down and did a King Kentucky 17 year old the waitress kept coming over and went, Can take your glass? I'm like, No. No, no, it's dry. I ended up buying the glass. She gave it to me. help and it's still sitting in my hotel room. I can't wait to it you really pull the wood oakiness out of it once it sits. And it's amazing. And you get the grain. If you really get that pungency with the corn and the rye once it's been able to sit and just dry out. Yeah. So we started with the old grandad, the nineteen seventy six old granddad, which a treat. it's very sad and very sessed to be showing I don't I don't think you can beat I mean man. I love the old dusties, but I I think that's a pamper that it's got a little bit of that nuttiness, it's got a little bit of that it's just a great fruit. For me on that dusty, I was getting a strong marashino cherry. I think you brought brought up Dr. Pepper after that, where it was almost like a flat Dr. Pepper with the cherry note. how did they get all twenty seven flavors into that can? I I I don't know. I don't know. But he's a doctor, so he he must know how to do it. I ripped that one off a dude from last episode. So I thought I'd bring something else. I asked a lot of questions. I know what that is. This is a nineteen Eighty three. Austin Nichols Wild Turkey. You know when I was born? Nineteen eighty three? Eighty four. Eighty four. This is before I was still going to parties with my dad at that point. I c I can't do that. That's not that kind of podcast. Well, I brought Bourbon Hunters to the boot. you lost your lost your safety cover. I brought the Bourbon Hunters. to the bourbon brass and beyond. That's what she said. So I am because I could probably catch breaking the seal. Hopefully I don't break cork on this one. so gentle. what's that game? So I I wanted to do this with you. I appreciate it. This is my favorite distillery, it's no

secret. You know, and I'll be honest, I I have really come to love the So I think that's the journey of the bourbon enthusiast. I think we all grow through those premature, I love everything Buffalo Trace, and it can't get much better than Buffalo Trace. Yeah. Blanton's Colonel Taylor Tube. It's just they do such a marvelous job with their packaging. And then once we dive into profiles and we start sipping a lot of things, when you get to wild turkey, there's something different about it. Absolutely. And I think that the fact that it claws they they've changed very little. Yes. Even their barrel entry proof has not moved a lot. Yeah. And So I didn't want to make the trip with it. I do have that Russell Reserve two thousand three. I've only had it once. It's that I referenced on an episode not long ago about that one three. And and I I turn and I look, I'm like, all right, do I take it? Do I take it? When I come to you. Absolutely. D so butterscotch Those older wild turkeys. Have this butterscotch. And it's like you're walking around with your grandpa, you're young again, he pulls that candy out of his pocket, you know, still a little bit warm. You unpackage it and it melts on your tongue. Yes. Yeah. It's got this confectioner's sugar, butterscotch. You still get that funk, that wild turkey funk that all of us have grown to love. Maybe a hint of cinnamon sugar, but it's not strong. Right. It's like the cinnamon sugar with butter. Yeah. I've had that for breakfast as a kid all the time. Yeah. Someone buys us some cohorts. It just they want to go. And I did this, we did Wild Turkey Generations. I've heard great things about it. So I had not had it before. Generations are fantastic. I but I mean to me the gold foil top down. But these two with the gold foil it it's a jack version. Does it elevate the gold foil to a next level? And it makes you appreciate the craft that Bruce was able to put into blending that. Yes. Okay. But if you like flavor, like a wide palette of flavors. I d I didn't think the Rustless fifteen was as wide no as the gold foil. It punches you the fifteen punches you with all that sweet goodness. Yeah which it's phenomenal. Yeah. But to to get like a it's like the difference between hearing one trumpet worse versus an entire brass. You know you just did so many different Flavors you gotta sit there and go, all right, wow. I love that description. I really do. I that's not a description I can pull because I really don't know what that sounds like, you know. Well it's it's but I can envision what where you're going with it. I've been to a 21-gun salute, and having four guns is better than having you know one do it. Yeah, yeah. And I I actually I yeah, I still play taps for military funerals which I've done four this year. So that my son's in boot camp right now. Cheers to Conrad, Fort Bay. Yep. So if you wanted to acquire one of these bottles, would revival be your best bet to go? I think so or I still say looking at estate sales 'cause that's that's that's what we did. and in the completely by accident. I talked about the last podcast there was an auction that I was actually looking for a piano with a player on it. Yeah. And there was this auction. So we went and we looked at it and he had some bourbon barrel furniture and I asked the gentleman's son Who had passed, I'm like, Well I said bourbon barrel furniture and did he have bourbon? And he goes, yeah. He goes and he opens up his cupboard. He's like, Well you can I was like I need to see it. So I came home with two cases of bourbon. But then he goes, and there's two cases of there's cases of sealed stuff down in the basement. So I go down in the basement, there's six of these and six Canadian clubs. And and he wanted some some money for it, so I came home with two. I actually he knew what he had. Yeah. And and I came home with a nineteen seventy-five four fish court. And Steph's actually like the one that said, you know, you're you're gonna take this off. Okay. And it's been it's it's been fantastic. Yeah. I've had other estate auctions where I came on with a nineteen sixty eight old Fitzgerald and a nineteen forty four old crow and that entire box of bottles cost eleven dollars. Wow. I mean it it it You just gotta be there. Right place, right time. Yeah. Relationships. Well in you know in these bottles, he actually asked a lot less. And I'm like, No I I can't do that. I'd feel wrong. Yeah, I can't do that in good faith. Here's what I'll offer you. Yep. And he did. And and he took care of us. I love that. Yeah, that's where Jason got his four fortieth anniversary for Roses, the Jim Rutledge was an estate sale. Yeah. That's that's twice now recently where people have talked about finding them at garage sales or estate sales. Yeah, this is this is great. What a treat, thank you. So the next one we have to say is unnamed. Okay. I can't feel it here or anything. Say a name on this while we're here. Understood. But I can say that it's distilled nineteen seventy seven. Bottled in nineteen eighty two. You're very well too much. It is the mash bill of what is my favorite stuff growing up. So my grandfather was a huge fan. Okay. And He said that so when he was a kid, when he was like four or five years old, his uncle would send him out to the still to bring back a quart every morning that he stayed down in North Carolina with him. his his uncle was also fiddle maker And when he started drinking bourbon, he said this reminded him of that the most. I wanted to do the research, figure out what I can. And I reached out to Wally Dant of Monks Road and Log Still Distillery And I told him the story. He invited us down. He took us on a three-hour tour of his distillery, which is on the original family distillery grounds. He got the original DSP 47 back. And we did a hour long podcast and then we sat around and drank with him for two hours afterwards. Absolute for me wonderful experience. Thank you very much for the You bet. Thank you.

Great stickers by the way. Appreciate it. You probably did a lot less talking and that was two hours and more listening. So much before we even did the podcast, I was trying like the the distillate, and then we were thieving barrels in the in the Rick House. We ended up we ended up going to dinner afterwards. And I slept the whole way. I was passed out. I didn't mean a lot of drinking stuff. And then we went to Dark Arts. And it was Macaulay. Yeah. But that was a good day. So This was distilled around when I was born in seventy seven. Spring of seventy seven. Immediately my eyes went big. Like I nosed it, I took one nose and then my whole body just like rebooted. And this is beautiful. Yeah, this is why I fell in love with bourbon. This right here. This is what I grew up with. You know, my grandpa had seven daughters, I was the first grandkid. He was my buddy. It should be a glade plug-in. And a candle. I don't get any certain It doesn't get much better than that. Yeah, it's full. It's like great viscosity. Delicate but yet pungent, right? It's and then the aftertaste that back of the pallate I feel like I want to do the Fred Minnick where he just counts the finish off, you know? It's not very good content, but but the problem is you're just gonna sit here because this just lasts the conversation. That's remarkable. Remarkable whiskey. So when we went and did the podcast with Wally, yeah we he's got Airbnbs on the property. We stayed in his grandfather's house, which used to be thirty-five feet from the Rick House. And this is where Wally would go visit when he was a kid. He said there was always this smell in the basement. And that's what he remembers as when he would go carry his grandparents' house. So his grandfather was the last president of the JW Dant Distillery. when it was located in Gethsemane Okay. Schenley bought it, so it sold the Armand Hammer, Schenley bought it, and then Schenley moved operations in the in the 70s to Louisville. But they brought with it the mash bill. It wasn't until the eighties that they changed. So Heaven Hills, which is the owner of JW Dant brand now. Yes. Because Log Still Distillery has no association with it. Gotcha. But they have an association with Monks Road now, don't they? Yes. Yeah, Monks Road Bourbon is Log Still Distillery is Okay. And and they came out with that. How about National Bourbon Heritage Month bottle which Lolly should be here in a little bit? We're gonna do that with the property in the last year or two. That's what a whiskey should be like. Yeah. Amen. Makes your leg leg a little bit. I am actually gonna save a little bit for my wife to try it. Grab another glass. She needs to try that. Well that's a recent find, which we're pretty happy about that. Absolutely. there's gonna be enough left. Make sure that everybody gets on. I don't think I can express enough gratitude for what you've shared today. Well and so everything else that I brought I wanted to share. I do love a good prisoner.

I listen. You know? I I'm a true fan. I I believe it. Have you had a prisoner? I have never had one. my, you are in for a treat. So I've waited I'm I'm gonna do that with with J D. So I can sell. You can try anything up here. Then you do too. I mean I kinda don't think they're probably a bad choice, but are you all sitting somewhere? I can bring it to you. So this high west prisoner share went straight with these. This is fifty-one percent barrel number batch number two five zero zero five. We've had the pleasure of having Tara Lindley on three times. And she has provided prisoner share twice and a BouRye a couple of times from High West. And then we had another one one of our partners. Wanna say his name was Nathan. He gave us their new cast strength earlier this year. But to the to this day, I think what High West does with their prisoner share, their mid winter nights dram, and how they're curating those is outstanding. I've never met you until now. I've seen you online podcasts. I've watched you all the time. I listen to you guys all the time. Tim Dant, part of the Dant family. J D. Yes, sir. Yes. Steph, she's right there. She's right sitting right here at the second chair. Okay, okay, okay. I have seen it. I have one and I haven't opened it yet. Okay. I haven't opened it. We can try it if you want. I would love to. You know the guy that signatures on this, you know, Steve Bean. Yeah. You know he decided to land. Yes, sir. Okay, let's make it sure. Yes. Sure. That's a testament to JW. Ten kids, fifty-five grandkids, and a hundred and twelve great grandkids. I'm I'm generation five, Wally's generation six. Wow. This dad was my first cousin. I love the lineage. That's awesome. Are you from around here? I'm from Ohio as well. My wife's from Columbus. Okay, we were we record our podcast in Hilliard. So we're right there near there. Three times I had a 35 year career with Hyatt Hotels Corporation. I managed the Hyatt Rese Columbus in downtown on Nationwise. nice, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right across from the arena. huh. Yeah, yeah. Awesome. yeah, Jerome. Mm-hmm. Yep. Yep. So what's the format? What's the Well, Do you still live up there? You still live up there? No, I'm from Mobile recently. okay, okay. My wife and I made my sports move in high at two kilometers. I'm not sure if you're not sure if you have a glass. I'm grabbing a glass. Yeah, this guy right here, Stephen Beam. Yes. And his brother, James Paul Beam, started Limestone Branch back in 2010. Okay. They went up to St. Louis and like the Lux cold. These guys had a passion to get back into still just like Wally did because all of our cousins we all regretted when our my dad was one of thirteen kids. Five of the boys went to World War II. They got back to the board, their life had changed. So Wally's the one that had the deep enough pocket to get us back into this right here. My grandfather built that water tower there after four days. I really would like to keep in touch because these bottles that I'm just seeing I'm seeing expression the services and podcasts and all the background and my wife sees the Ohio University, she goes, You gotta be from Ohio I said, Yeah, but it's not Columbus. It's like we don't know until you ask. Yeah. She she recognized that though in the in in the game in the podcast. By the way, you see this? Yep. my gosh. there he is. What's going on, Cut? Good to see you. Wally, this is JD. JD too. Pleasure. Pleasure's mine. I was just telling you that this guy right here. Yep, yeah, exactly. He's clear I tell I saw those bottles and you're like in the two fifty. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Bean family is everywhere. S A R. As well as ours. So this is really cool. Bottle shiny. So I'm with the Bourbon Hunters podcast. Okay. So we're kind of doing a crossover collab. Yeah. Yeah. I brought a little bit you might have to edit out, but I brought our single barrel pick from old Louisville. Okay, all right. Feel free to pour from that. And I've I brought a four roses here, just shy of eleven years old. Okay. But the rest he brought. I brought a little of everything. Yep. Teddy Teddy's been great. Teddy's been great. Yeah, Teddy's been great. There's a nineteen seventy-six old granddad over there. Half gallon. I I cracked that one. That one's fantastic. Nineteen seventy-six. I got it at an estate sale. You got so much. I mean, it's unbelievable. You need to come up and visit. Youngstown. Yeah, Northeast. We're trying to get this guy up there for a while. Well, Cleveland has It's about an hour and ten minutes. You know who's still in Cleveland? is that still needed really got her phone? Does she need a glass? Does she need a glass? She was just looking Okay. Do you need a glass? Do you need a glass? Try something? we're doing a bottle chair. If you want anything. Sorry. Yeah, we're we're recording. I can edit edit a lot out, but okay. Try to get it. You're here for Bourbon and Beyond at all? Yeah, I'm there all four days. Are you? Yeah. it was incredible. Awesome. Yeah. So the governor is doing a Monk's Road barrel pick today. yeah. So if you get down there, he's gonna be doing a Montreal Board of Single Barrel Pix. Wow. Along with Chris Chris Planter from Kroger. Kroger Chris. Chris's picks, yeah. So so they'll be on stage. the governor's actually hopefully he brought his bottle, right, that he actually did with us about twenty twenty And it's crazy. Well I'm about five bourbon gin. so I tried your bourbon the bourbon heritage yeah. That's good. Yeah. Yeah. Did you try it? What's that? He hasn't tried it yet. Our single barrel that we have here. Big one, I picked one for bourbon heritage mod. Is that the one with three bottles left in the cabinet over here? Okay, and this So that one type of that one's catching them for This one's a high rhyme. okay. my god. come on in. The water's nice. Yeah, right. Yeah. But he's getting it. It's always nice when your boss comes. Always. How cool is that? Dan Dant family. It is the one

thing that I've learned is whether it's with Wally Preston, even Derek, it's it's it's everybody's so down to earth. It's about the experience, it's about sharing it, it's about talking about it, it's about remembering it. Mm-hmm. The whole reason for me to want to do this is because of the stories from my grandpa. I wish I had recorded it or wrote it down or some of the like the specific details, but I didn't. And this is the only way for me to do that for my kids. Thank you. Tell me what's that? it's got some bubblegum. I like bubblegum. Like confectioner sugar, bubblegum. Yeah. Teddy gets Teddy gave me a song. Mountain. That that's good stuff. So that is good. It's it's like staying needed It's got this creaminess to it, cream savor candy, you know let it dissolve on your tongue and the flavor keeps rolling and rolling and rolling, right? Yeah. that is really good. You don't get an overwhelmingly amount of barrel char or oakiness on it. There's some caramel and toffee notes. good good job. Now is this distillate that you did? That is not. Does not? No. Okay. Nope. No, it's we bought about five hundred barrels. Yeah. Grandfather Jim Hall, man. So when I had a chance to get Jim Rutledge stuff, I said, okay, That's delightful. It is. Very nice. And you still have some of these? Yes. Okay. Okay. Have you tried it? Yeah. Yeah. When I walked in, I started setting it up and Teddy Teddy goes, Hey, you need to try this. He goes, this will help the setup. And I said, okay. You need a glass. There's like a caramel apple note to it too. Do you need a glass? Yeah. I'm not sure, but we just cannot have a glass up. Sure. Yeah, we'll cannot puff top so I really don't know. Hey. I never know how I'm supposed to act, and it's normally long. Yeah. Let me get you a glass. Hey, if if it's here, pour it. If it anything you want to try. Let me grab my daughter who's So I'm gonna leave that eleven year with you. That's I've seen too much more. We gotta do this, huh? Yeah, you're familiar with that? Yep. Yep, sure. I need to get more familiar with that. Yeah. Yeah, you met with him yesterday. I got to do an interview with him yesterday. Yeah, sure. You sure? I mean you gotta try the old grid. Teddy told me to grab glasses from you, so that's what I'm doing. Nineteen seventy six. How new into it are you? Yeah. Prisoner, was that from this year? I believe so. So it is twenty five last year's. Very good batch. So I've never been like a wine finished urban guy. So what they have going for them, High West owns Prisoner One. So they're not there's no sulfur in the transition of moving barrels. So this is gonna be straight prisoner wine. I wanna say it's more of a dry finish than a wet finish. but they accumulate these barrels from their own company after they dump them and they save them for this project. that's got a grape note. Yes. It's like a white grape, it's like a You know when you get the grapes home from the the grocery store and they're still wet, you get the wet

grapes out of the bag? Yep, yep. That's that's good. Ever since I had the Barstown prisoner batch one, I have fallen in love with this prisoner finish. And I've had to have everything since. I just feel like it's so much more unique than your Cabernet Savillon. I know I'm saying that wrong. your Zinfandels, your any t other type of wine finish. This this is I like this one as opposed to the rest. wow. So I normally on a wine finish get like a bitter like turnip at the end, mid-pallate or mid-mid-case to the end. You don't get this. It turns like a nice subtle sweetness. It melds with that bourbon primary note. Yeah. And it enhances and amplifies. wow. That's but you're still getting that grapeiness, but not overwhelmingly grape. Right. Okay. I mean Dude even likes this finish and he's not a big Finnish fan. that's nice. How good are those? That's fantastic. High West is doing some remarkable stuff right now. That's great stuff. man. See Fritter pours. And Giggle pours. I need to get a t-shirt. I need a t-shirt. We need we need to get you one for sure. Once we finalize the design, you're get you're getting one. Alright. Appreciate it. On me. Appreciate it. Okay. Bravo. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. It's so It's an even finish. From start to finish, it's the same notes, it's the same taste, it's that little that raisin. Yeah. That that raisin grape and it just stays super nice all the way to the end. I hope High West doesn't get offended when I say this at all. But I feel like the prisoner share at High West is getting better than the midwinter night's tramp. I would agree with that. I would agree with that Ohio percent. Yeah. Yeah, that's good stuff. and you can get that online to Ohio now. You can order online and have that shift. That's good stuff. That's good stuff. For a drying wine, as the prisoner is, this makes the salivation bubble. Yeah. Makes you want more. Great proof point. Well, I wouldn't have gotten this if it wasn't for you. I'm honored because I'm like, well you know, I've got it I've gotta try it and I get to have it with you. So that's that's the experience is ninety percent of it. Yeah. It's where you get to have it, who you get to have it with. And I am honored to have shared all of these with you today. So I brought one more. To share with you. So we did a went to do a barrel pick at Oak & Age Okay. And we tried eight or nine barrels and they were worried about what they could sell. You know, the the the barrel hunting group size. huh. And Cleveland Barrel Hunter has been great. I love the stuff. Everybody who loved this, I'm like, I have to have a bomb. So they didn't end up picking it, but I'm like, I'm taking home. Where are they located? So this is at Old Louis the same building Old Louis wanted. okay. So Oak and age. They're up on a floor. They're on the third or fourth floor. Yeah. Oak I know I okay. I mean Amin showed me their their lot. Yes. So I want you to try this and then I'll tell you about it. It's got a beautiful color. That's like darker than amber. Wow. It looks like you're gonna get a lot of tannin out of nose. And you don't. You don't. It looks like you're gonna get a lot of tan. This this to me, I could not reasonably leave there without having a bottle. So we thieved this just for me. And it says, hand picked by Dan. Love it. So you tell you tell me what proof it is. I think I caught it out the corner of my eye and I tried to get a better look. It's like strawberry shortbread. Yeah. This is is this a wheater? No. so this blew my mind. Because when I get strawberries and cream strawberry shortbread, I get wheater it's usually wheated stuff. Right. I agree with you. Wow. man. Still going. Yeah. This was this was so delicious to me. It reminds me of two thousand nine George T. Stag. How are you? Two thousand nine. So this is an eleven year. Jim Bean. Shut up. Hundred and forty three proof? That's Jim Bean? Jim Bean. Why isn't Jim Bean putting that out? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I have Oak and Age. Now, I'm not a Bean fan. I love Bean. It it's not my first choice. Okay. But when I got to this box I'm like holy shit. We got a puppy a month ago, his name is Booker. Well nor normal beans got this real real weird thump to it that overpowers stuff to me. But this I might be making a phone call to a meme. This I I mean Oak and Age I just want to know the barrel number. Yeah, barrel number three. Wow, that's that's What is the cost? I can't handle the conversation anymore. We're getting there. I was thinking it'd be three hundred. No. Something like I would pay three hundred dollars for that. yeah. Without a doubt. That's insane. And I think I end up 'cause you have to buy it through the shop, not necessarily so it was No, I guess And when I So when I when I picked this and I brought it home and I'm listening to podcasts. We're a podcast. Yeah. I'm like, still feels weird when people like talk about that. Yeah. But but I'm like, J D would love this. No, this is outstanding. that's my pick. You know, my my polarizing comment I think from last year was I didn't like GTS from last year. Twenty twenty-five? Yep. Yep. And I got a lot of criticism for it. And I I told everybody, you cannot let the taterism influence what you think of a bottle. Right. So I actually brought it. Because I pay attention. But Yeah, no I This is outstanding. Yes. And this is what that should have been. At a hazmat proof point. And I think this would blow that away. That's why brought it, just in case you wanted to compare. I know what that is. I have that bottle share and I turned it down. They're like, you're crazy, you're crazy. That's hazmat. Just because it's hazmat doesn't mean it's good. Right. I agree. 100%. Yeah. But this to me, I mean that's absolutely knocks it out of the puzzle. And I'm not bias but if I that or my eleven year old Louisville I'm poor I'm pouring my old Rouble. Yeah. Yeah. I like GTS traditionally. That one I felt was a little off. I feel like they rushed it. They

tried to hit the hype with the hazmat train. Like 2024 was great. 2023 was outstanding. I I love the 2023. Yeah. I do. And that that'll be my probably my favorite. And then William Luru Weller from 23 was outstanding as well. Eagle Rare 17 from 2024 was outstanding. You know, there there's these batches that stand out. And if it weren't for Kenny Mills, do you listen to the mashup in Lexington? Kenny Mills shared t two thousand nine GTS me. He also gave me nineteen eighty Eagle Rare one one Seedrums, which was like I wanted the my birth year, eighty four one one four. He didn't have that, but he gave me nineteen eighty. And then he immediately gave me nineteen eighty old granddad one fourteen and it blew that Eagle Rare one one from nineteen eighty out of the water. Like there was no comparison. I would want the old granddad every time. Just like the Dant family. Did you bring this one together? I did. It's pretty butterscotch, it's nice. Yeah, yeah. You should try that. I I like it better than the nine years of cancer. Right. We did a head to head and that one. you know, yeah, the Dant family, old granddad, you know, when you get back into those lineages, the Russells. So you would probably like that one. Have you played Mike Tyson Punch Out on regular Nintendo? KO right So that is eleven year Jim Beam. Yeah, it's a beam. Okay. So this is the year of the beam dissolute coming out with a lot of NDPs. There's a ton. There's a lot, yes. Bluegrass, I think they have a bunch. The Elkwood Reserve wine. Yeah. Well, is that the only pick he's making? Dark Arts probably has some. Is that the only pick he's making today? Ha ha. So i it is not well it it is worth trying. We were just talking about hazmats and the hazmat train or curating something that is hazmat. Yeah. Like whiskey, what I call it like whiskey. Well I do like the Penelope nineteen year and eighteen year stuff, the American light that they have out. There's not a lot else I like. Right. I think Mark Carter's doing a good job with him with the light whiskeys. No at all. Have you seen before? With this one? No. This is my first time. I know what floor it's on and where it's at. Only 'cause I'm friends with the guy. Well they located us right in So old Louisville. Yeah, they're in the same building. It's a it it's different companies but he they're sourcing barrels just like anybody else. But this one just kinda blew my mind. As soon as I tasted it, what did I say? Bean can be putting that out? Yeah. Like that's outstanding. Yeah. It dries a little bit but it stops. It doesn't completely dry your mouth out. It the at the back end of it it makes it salivate. It's a weird sensation. It was a full barrel. Still there. Yeah, it was a full barrel when I was there. And full barrel. Man, they said that No, it was people were afraid how much evaporation do you think is out of it? not really sure. Okay. But they were afraid to sell it or they were afraid to buy it as like a barrel pick because it had the bean name on it. I would buy three of Yeah. That's great. But it was fantastic. Yeah. Well I saw my shirt. So we went down. I I was with with Jason from the Cleveland Barrel Hunters who I want to come down with us and do a pick with you. and I said I have to I have to get a bottle. He's in the you put him in the corner. Nobody puts baby in the corner. That's right. Dan in the corner, but not baby. There's the Bourbon hunters. I hate piggybacking on other people's platforms. I don't like piggybacking on other people's platforms, but I'd love to get them on the Bourbon Hunters. I get it on the Hunters. Listen Whatever. I j I just don't like doing that, you know? I I no, I I I tell you. Would you I will promote well for would you come on our podcast and talk about the lineage of the Dant family and then where you're at now and He didn't with the Bourbon Hunters. This is a different podcast. Get him to do that. Would you be willing to do that? Yeah, as long as you're willing to put my disclaimer and all of that sort of good stuff on that. Okay. Well, I mean w we're a very laid back platform. Anything goes. We are nationwide, yeah. We had some Japan and I ruined that. Yeah. I made a joke. So can you splash a little bit more of that to the check these out with bottle fairy contact? That unnamed bourbon? This is my wife. So this is Wally Dant from the Dant family. Long lineage of whiskey. Unnamed until I tell you. But it's of the family. It's an unnamed. It's an unnamed. Mm-hmm. I didn't see what you showed me if I was supposed to see you have to just tell me later. But yeah, we would love to do an episode with Wally. I I tell ya, meeting Wally and then going through the Log Still best experiences. I mean, I mean that's better than it's good, I think. That's the epitome of what whiskey should be. Yeah. Yep. And that's of the family lineage of who you're standing next to. Yeah. So he so Wally is now your log still. Yeah. I don't know, I find some obscure stuff in places. I mean if you can find that you pay for it. this is still seventy seven. Yep, bottled in '82 What? Bottle two. Hey on. Shenlin. Schenley Juice Okay. We've never had Hazmat beam before. Jim Beam Hazmat. No, that bat the back label was my sex is probably burning. I I couldn't see it it was either Bernheim or or Frankfurt. Yeah. yeah. This what this barrel's in a means warehouse. Yeah, it's a company that rents out a floor from the Secrets warehouse where he is. But it's I think that was stuck on your it pulls the moisture out of your mouth but then replenishes it on the back end. It's wild. Thank you for sharing that with her. That's a that's a dusty of dusties. And so that is what I grew up smelling. That is exactly the juice that I grew up smelling. I think I drank it. This this is a single barrel that he's got for sale. I think you have some for s for sale, right? Yes. And that's single barrel is phenomenal. Crazy to me that I get strawberries on this, like strawberry shortcake and

stuff. And it's not a weeder. Yeah, yeah. Yard tail. Yardtail. Ten bucks. Ten bucks. That's just crazy. That that's why I love her. She's she's phenomenal. You say ten? Ten bucks. For that one. For that unnamed bar. No at a yard sale. Way. Yeah. Yes. That's why I love her. Among a thousand other reasons. My wife has a lot to live up to now. She's found some good stuff too, but not like that. So we'll get up we'll get up to Young Sound at some point. I I would love seriously. I mean I I told her our goals is with with this and the tasting nerve. We're trying to create like a mini Dant history museum. I and the price that we have are just in this. I would I would love that. I w I would think I could send you charts and graphs and show you on paper how we descend the trammy trees. there's so much. Yeah. How did you rate how did you rate the out of our system of five? That that's definitely like cheers. The APW rye gets a four point one. Four point that's a good strong. That's a strong rye. The the lack of dill, but with the everything else it has going on, it's very good. So I feel bad. Nobody's opened this four roses I brought. Let's pour it up. This is called model. they're okay. How you doing? JD Fritzges nice to meet you. Damn, we're two separate podcasts. And JD is from the Bourbon Hunters out out of Columbus. And which is why I started listening to podcasts. That's funny. And I've got Barrel pick that we did here, and then this old Forester, that old Forester, and that Jack Daniels. Those are all picks that we did. Do know any the guys from Barrel Trip up in Jersey? So Big Chief down in Texas, he's on a whiskey trip. he's a really good listen. He was formerly on the Bourbon Road out of here in Kentucky. but no I'm not too familiar with the other channel. I work with the gatherer. I'm gonna have to check him out. We do a But they do a pick a month for some We've done eight or nine this year, I think, at the Bourbon Hunters. That's nice. And we do a lot of overlapping episodes where we have Jason Calori from the Mash and Drum on. So those are usually pretty wild and off the rails too. Tennessee. So every couple of years all the old heads come for the music festival at night. Yeah. Trail during the day. Love that. We brought some young guys with us. You know, guys in their late twenties thirty. You got any distilleries close by in Memphis there? Old Dominic. yeah. And so the master distiller there just went to Button's Augusta. wow. The lady that's on Mastermas, she was at OD. I didn't know that. Okay. So she used to be the master distiller at Old Dominic. Augustus putnakers. But I'm gonna tell you what. If I had to pick one out of Memphis it'd be Blue Note. Blue Note's killer I'm like. Okay. I like NBC, Nashville Barrel Company out of Tennessee. So my barrel trip buddy. We work he's a co founder of the company I work for. He's our CTO. He's up in Jersey. So we're together a lot on workshops. Barrel trip? Barrel drip. The drip. The barrel drip. Gotcha. This is where you need Tyler. I know. He'd be he'd be all over that. So it's a guy it's a guy that owns like two record stores in Jersey. And he just decided he loves bourbon. So when they go on their barrel trips, it's like if you can pay your own way, you're welcome to get it. Okay. And then so they're doing about one month. One and a half pixel on so anytime I go to Jersey. So I grab some of the natural stuff. Did you get him that ass pocket whiskey? I mean I can pour it. I just don't want to be wrong. No. I'm never right at it. Do you have some olive balls? That's gonna be good? Is it he just wants to sell it in small Here. Yeah. Yeah. So I love the idea behind it. What's that? The ass pocket whiskey, fit in your pocket, you know, walk around with it. So he's like, he's picking the mash, he's picking distillate, he's letting it barrel an age, and then he's he's just saying, I am just going for what I like and the quality of our The stillers can do it. And then he's just sourcing it for whoever will do. Yeah. I mean I mean i i it's not about who's doing it, it's about what he gets in return. Yeah. It's fantastic. I just I love I mean I love the idea behind it. I just never knew if it was everything it's all cracked, custom. Yeah, so we did we did a thing at Nulu today. was Chase there? No, but my buddy that I've been talking about, the real group guy that I work with, he knows Chase. Yeah. And so he had just like, we're just gonna show up. We don't know how many people are gonna be there. I mean it was nice. Usually him or his father in law. so the guy that was there today was what, Bob or Phil? Yeah, Bob, that's his father in law. That's his father in law. He's so knowledgeable too we got there and they're like Buddy of mine knows Trace, like personally. Right. So she's like, then I knew that you were at least serious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, there you go. But yeah. No, he just messaged me the other day, like, thanking me for getting him into some other stores and stuff. I'm like, you're welcome, man. I know you're with Bourbon Hunters. Bourbon hunters. Yeah. I don't have any my this all impromptu for me. I'm here for Bourbon and Beyond. But That's one of our picks that Jack Daniels that that's a Tanyard Hill. So last year was the Tanyard Hill Ride. That's a bourbon that we got from Tanyard Hill. So I like work in Tennessee in the high. Yeah. Right. That one's good. That one's good. stores around that they get a single maybe a cracker or two like one their ryes are so good. Uh-huh. Like I became a jack fan. Jack Ryze single barrels? The hot the hotels. The hot smell single barrels. Yeah. Is that the four rose? Four roses. OBS V. So it's their standard what you would get on a shelf at a hunter proof. Yeah. it's right here. That's nice. This is just shy of eleven years old. How's the connection with Dave work? Like all of us are big Dave fans, but we're not gonna be here for Sunday. So the we made the stickers for the swag swap on

Sunday. and it that's it. You know, so we we Steph and I follow Dave. Yeah. And I do bourbon. So this is you know, the D Big whiskies normally would be like a bourbon sh bottle share yeah and they're not here so we've decided to all of us are big yeah I I can't wait I first time seeing Dave Sunday myself. So I think I mean we're our group's pretty lively when in the Dave Matthews world. Have you ever had a Charleston shoe candy bar? Have you ever had a Charleston shoe? That's what it noses like. There's this vanilla cream I'm smelling meatball now, but sorry. No, you're fine. Thanks so much, guys. Absolutely. Have a great time. Hey, come on back and pour that four rows. This nose is like mo very, very vanilla rich. So when you said the Charleston Chew, it was like the cow tails. Yes. And when I when I heard the podcast about it, that's what I thought immediately was the cowtails. And yeah, I agree one hundred percent. But Jack and Jake. Yeah. This is exciting for me. I love the sticker to run in sixty seconds. I gotta tell you a story about that. That's that was a gift from Tim Tim Tim Dam. And the eleven year I'm sending home with you too. This is seven year. That's the two fifty. That's commemorative America. I haven't opened it. So that is one of my barrel picks, so if you're mad about it, I'm here. Let us know. Any complaints? Email Bob. The color is so dark on that. Have you even had that yet? I've been waiting. It's open now. It is. No, that my wife loves that. Good. How are you doing? What do you got? Yeah. Looks like a giggle pour to me. A what pour? there's coined phrases in where I come from. And when I pour a heavy pour, it's usually 'cause I'm laughing. Yeah. And I'm laughing while pouring, so it's a giggle pour. No, it's good. Alright, I'm ready for the 143. We had a we had three pictures margarita. Nice. And then we went to Nulu and did a taste. Love that. I love Chase. That's a great taste to get So we got it for the nose. Well, yeah, we're nosing this. We talk every so often. That it doesn't even register. We did a maple brulee pick with them. And we're doing another one in December. Yeah, I've got it all. We were doing a barrel pick? That's another one of our picks. Yeah. And he's like, yeah, great for nine. Well it's it's it's okay. And then there's there's gonna be a hundred proofers that we did as well. Yeah, that's our pick as well. format is I personally I think old forest or hunterproof is their G spot. So I'll choose a Hunterproof every time over a blue label. This one's really good though. It lacks the acetone nail polish remover you traditionally get on some of these with the heat cycle warehouse. And that's that's stupid good. That's so full of stone fruit, pitted fruit, plum, peach, Thai crust. So so it's a They're out old Louisville district. He just bought the Seagrim's plant. So he's got the the main building from Seagram's over there now. I I and if you've never been over there, he's doing exceptional things with MGP, Wilderness Trail and I I was just amazed. So he's got some Wilderness Trail agent and he doesn't release anything before nine years. Yeah, it's like I think it was hot fruit and high. This is good though. Definitely try it on. Well the plan was three, but I think you'll probably be here a little later. Well if you are, I I gave her my card. Okay. So my email phone number's on there. but I'd love to share some of you going forward if you if you can have an email I can send you some documents. That's what I see that looks on your podcast. Now what's the frequence of your podcast? Do I just have to pay attention to social media? What do you see? It comes out about normally twice a week. So it depend really it depends on my flight schedule. Okay. You know, how much I can stack up. Yeah, that's what that's the way we normally do it. I try to get out two a week, but it it depends really I feel honored, I get notifications. During your podcast you can dial in. Can we hear exact commentary or not during but 'cause everything's recorded and then I go back and watched it and it's a clarity and picked up on what you were showcasing. Then I sent the note. Yeah. And you guys break the same reply. Some podcast you could it's not almost interactive where you can enter in commentary. Right. That's live. So so everything I do I I edit it, I try to edit it and then publish it. any comments, criticisms, concern, I mean and I'll be the first to say we want you to sell. series of pictures and send them to you so we don't duplicate efforts. Well you're more than welcome to come up. And you can test anything that's in my house. Same applies at mine. Yeah. I mean maybe we need to have you come up. I'll bring dude. We are gonna make a trip to sleep on you because Grandfather built that. One of his brothers was a guy named John Edwin Danton. His nickname was Shorty. Love it. And his daughter is still living. She's like 89 in the Cleveland area. Well if you come up I I I really hope you come over. I mean you even got a place to stay. I I I we'll we'll make it work. Hyatt downtown Sleeping, but I've never got a hotel. And I still keep in touch with my Hyatt colleagues. dude and I will definitely need to get a hotel. And it's not good for like I couldn't stay in mobile for the Derby or the Supermore. But ninety percent of the time it's it's a nice discount. So yeah. Well you you're more than welcome and I I would love to hear that story as well. So I don't know if you know about my history with the Dan's of why I I like the the Dan's father. Yes. My grandfather was a huge no he was a JW dan fan. And that's that's all he dragged. So he was a when he was a kid, five years old, he would go down and visit his family in Hickory, North Carolina. His great uncle would send him out to the still to bring back a quarter whiskey. And that what reminded him of that whiskey was JW Dant When when he turned old enough, you know, to drink. What reminded him most of that I don't even

know what I'm drinking at this point. this is the roast. That's that's really nice. So if I'm gonna go with the high rye, I I do really like the beam preference on four roses recipes. No, I don't. I don't No? No. I it it's I don't know enough about them. And I don't think I've nailed it down for the four roses. Okay. Okay, so it's look like your grandfather. Yeah. So gotta go dial into that. Is this Commander's Club? Commander's Club. Rare character. What's the proof on this? One ten point four. So what's your what's your connection to bourbon? How'd you get into it? I always used to steal it from my stepdad when I was underage. What did he have? he drank a lot of Jim Beam. Okay. And so that's where my love for Jim Beam comes from. Jim Booker sent me down the rabbit hole of everything uncut unfiltered. that's why we got a puppy a month ago. His name's Booker. So we got a dog. Yeah, his name's Booker. I need to send a picture into the Bean family. And then what did you guys connect? So I've been a listener of their podcast for years. Before you started or before I started. really. Now I my podcast has been around for well, just had my one year anniversary. Okay. Congratulations. Thanks. But and I started it because my grandfather used to tell stories. And there was no there's no record of it. No recording, no written down record, because I was little. He had seven daughters. I was the first grandchild. But a lot of it had to do with, you know, him growing up and how he liked bourbon and why. And then So when I started this, it was like my kids are gonna have a record of this. It's gonna be on a podcast. They can say to their gr their kids or my grandkids and say, Hey, this is why we do this. There's a lot to be said for oral history. Yes. It's not on an app, it's not a it's not exactly there's no So then you're listening to him. Yeah and then did you reach out to him saying, Hey, I I did. What what was the implication for you to start the podcast in the beginning? So dude Poole started our podcast. Dude he started it in two thousand nineteen. And I joined them around the beginning of twenty twenty three. Okay. I moved to Ohio in twenty twenty during COVID from Alabama, where I've Sifton Detlinger if you've had any Detling products, it's an Alabama distillery. They've got some really cool stuff coming out, but there's a lot of other states developing. Did anybody have Kentucky roots? no, dude has Ohio State roots, okay, and Tyler has Michigan roots. I have Michigan roots. Okay. And then Brett has he so Brett went to Moorhead State. Okay. Yeah. Giant great. Yeah, yeah. Just really cool stuff. So I gotta listen to some of yours and watch some of yours. I'm gonna continue to watch yours. We're a little different. We're we're we're very laid back, we joke, a lot of movie references, and then we bring it back around the bourbon. Yeah. And then do you have like a is there like a featured bourbon on each podcast? Yeah, we ha we theme it. We theme it up. Yeah. Okay, gotcha. It'll be like we'll do ninety to hundred proof, hundred hundred and ten proof, hundred and ten, hundred and twenty proof, talk about the different proof point levels. Were you guys at the Burring Festival? K KBF? Yes. I was not. I was not able to. Okay. You think you'll come in the future? Yes. I would love to. The reason I ask you is is is my third year to work. I volunteer. When I volunteer I get a pass for three days so I can drink for free for three days. nice. Plus I get to meet everybody at the Welcome Center and I network. there were sixty-eight different distilleries there this year. Sixty-eight. One of the ones that was not there, horse soldier. And you know the dynamic around horse soldier. Yeah, the horsemen that went into my design on July fourth. Yeah. Yeah. But these were the guys that went in on horseback to Afghanistan after nine eleven. Two story, twelve strong, they made a motion picture out of it. Mm-hmm. Well they're down in Somerset, they were so focused on opening they couldn't they couldn't get you know get to the the festival. So next year they think they're gonna be there. So but it's an incredible event. Well what are they how we got a couple of both Scotty Bourbon boys? Yeah, I I know Jeffrey and I know C T. educated a whole damn family. Well they're they're all there's a maze. Chris Thompson is one of my really good buddies. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah exactly. Yeah Jeff was really bumbled I couldn't go on their bus tour. But I had a I had a some work projects I had to finish up. It's like an Orchata like a Mexican vanilla Yes, light cinnamon to it. I would love to know where in Kentucky these barrels came from. That's a great question. I might know somebody who can find out. I would love to know. Because I I want to get another one. Right? Yeah. She used to work for Campari and now she works for OHLQ. It's my good friend Ann.