Full Transcript for S2E6 - The Whisper Man

the... Oh, fu- I'm already forgetting everyone's, all the characters' names. 31 00:05:51.040 --> 00:06:03.880 Uh. The cop's name is Pete. Thank you. Pete. Yeah, Pete. Pete being Tom's dad, did you guys all see that coming? I think in, in the lead-up to it, yeah. 32 00:06:04.300 --> 00:06:13.640 Like, once you're kind of getting to that where like, oh, like it's, it's, you know, you can tell something's afoot, you know? Mm-hmm. Um- Yeah... at that point I was like, "Oh, he's gonna be his dad," you know? 33 00:06:13.760 --> 00:06:22.860 But I think- Yeah... before that, I didn't really... I, I guess I just didn't really think about it, you know? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. I think once- Same, I kind of- I think there was a line about, like, the name. 34 00:06:22.920 --> 00:06:31.940 He saw the name or something that I think like- Yeah... Pete seeing the name- And he like freezes and it's like, "Oh"... Tom Kennedy. Yeah. And yeah, that's the second I'm like, oh, that's his dad. [laughs] Um, 35 00:06:34.780 --> 00:06:44.560 do we wanna kinda just jump around from the book to the movie, or do we wanna talk book first- [laughs]... then movie? 'Cause [laughs] Yeah, 'cause I think it's necessary in this, in this instance to talk about the... 36 00:06:44.740 --> 00:06:53.580 'Cause already immediately things are different. Things are different. They're different, yeah. Things are different. First five minutes- Yeah... it's different. It's a different setup- Mm-hmm... which upset me. 37 00:06:53.640 --> 00:07:04.360 Everything about it. And I kept trying- Yeah. Yeah. [laughs] Yeah. And I just kept thinking like, look, if someone is watching this who has never read the book, they wouldn't be bothered right now. Mm-hmm. 38 00:07:04.380 --> 00:07:13.900 So just try not to be bothered right now- [laughs]... and just, like, take it in. [laughs] That it lasts very long, but- It's so hard. It's so hard not to be bothered. [laughs] Yeah. 39 00:07:13.920 --> 00:07:19.260 It's, it's really hard not to be bothered, and it's not like, it's not just that, like, it's doing 40 00:07:20.880 --> 00:07:27.940 the book such a disservice, because again, like, like I, I, I agree with you, Marissa, that I feel like some of it could, c- was a little bit clunky here and there, 41 00:07:28.880 --> 00:07:35.220 but overall I think it was a good story, and I really- Mm-hmm. I think so too... and, um, and I also think, like, it... I, I just, 42 00:07:36.160 --> 00:07:44.840 w- not to like spoilers for what we're doing next, but I thought it was really interesting too that, like, a lot of the books we're doing right now have these really heavy themes of, like, fathers and sons, you know? 43 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:55.120 Yeah. Um, and kind of that relationship, and I think that this was a good introduction to that theme. Um, and there was a lot of like, 44 00:07:56.860 --> 00:08:11.400 I don't know, like, really valuable insight into that theme with, with, like, not only having, um, you know, like a, some really bad role models, but then also having- Mm-hmm... Tom who's, like, just trying his best. 45 00:08:11.439 --> 00:08:17.040 [laughs] You know? Yeah. He's just trying so hard. He cares so much- Yeah... and it's just like- He cares a lot, and he's like not-... "I'm fucking this kid up." 46 00:08:17.520 --> 00:08:25.800 Yes, and he certainly wasn't doing the best job at some points, but, like, he was- Yeah... trying and he was grieving- Yeah... you know? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So you can't really blame him. 47 00:08:26.640 --> 00:08:38.420 So I feel like you, there's so much depth that the movie is missing, but beyond that is, is the, like, the Netflixica- Netflixication? I don't know how you would... But you know what I mean. Like, just Netflix- Uh-huh... 48 00:08:38.440 --> 00:08:39.960 taking a story and just 49 00:08:41.040 --> 00:08:50.560 making it that thing where, like, people are just gonna turn it on and no one's really gonna pay attention, so I'm just gonna, like, make this story as simple as possible so anybody who's just- Yeah Yeah... 50 00:08:50.580 --> 00:08:58.580 kind of like throwing it on and is, uh, currently on their phone was gonna be able to look up and know what's going on, you know? Yeah. And still be- And it's just like- Yes... that's a good point. Exactly. Ugh. Yeah. 51 00:09:00.220 --> 00:09:09.700 It's like that. I put- Yeah. It's c- It's both of those things- God... to me. Yeah. I put that it's kinda like they put all of the elements of the book in a bag like Scrabble pieces- Mm-hmm... 52 00:09:09.760 --> 00:09:18.020 and then took 'em out and just put different words. [laughs] Like, the pieces are there, but like- Yeah. Yes... some of the story is, like, so different, and some- Yeah... 53 00:09:18.020 --> 00:09:29.760 of the pieces we didn't even get, and I don't know, it was just kinda weird. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, we had, like, an entire character missing. [laughs] Yes. Yes. Exactly. I feel like she was pretty important, you know? 54 00:09:29.760 --> 00:09:31.480 [laughs] She was. Of course. Yeah. 55 00:09:33.020 --> 00:09:43.420 I didn't necessarily think that it needed to have a romance angle, because it was, like, about this father-son relationship, and he's also trying to figure out, like, moving on and still being- Mm-hmm... 56 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:51.960 there for his kid. So I was like, I don't know that that needs to be there, but also we don't need to cut her out entirely. Like- Yeah. Yeah... it's important. Yeah. 57 00:09:52.520 --> 00:10:00.840 And yeah, and I, and I do think, like, important to, what I was gonna say, is important to, like, Tom's healing, and I think was kind of... 58 00:10:02.260 --> 00:10:15.660 She w- uh, it was, which, like, just to give anybody who maybe hasn't, hasn't read or, or watched the movie, um, we're talking about the character Karen, who is, like, somebody that Tom meets once they move into Featherbank. 59 00:10:15.760 --> 00:10:28.360 She's a, a

parent of another kiddo in Jake's class, and, um, she, like, is kind of like the first friend that he, he makes there, and- Yeah. Mm-hmm... 60 00:10:28.380 --> 00:10:34.760 throughout the story, like, he's, you know, starting to open up to her, and then he, um, like, they end... 61 00:10:34.860 --> 00:10:47.240 Yeah, like you said, they, they, they do kinda throw in a little bit of that romance of him going on that date with her, um, which obviously was, like, in hindsight obviously vital to the story because that's how we got, you know- [laughs] Yeah... 62 00:10:47.300 --> 00:10:50.940 got really got him to move in. Got him out of the house and Pete. Uh- Exactly. Yeah. Exactly, yeah. 63 00:10:51.480 --> 00:11:03.120 Um, but I think, like, she was vital because she, she, like, kind of helped him to start to be able to move on, and was somebody who was, like, encouraging him and being like, "You're not a bad dad." 64 00:11:03.300 --> 00:11:13.920 Like, [laughs] you know? Yeah. Like, she was kind of the person to be like, "It's okay to fuck up," you know? Yeah. Um, and kind of gave him that confidence, I feel like, to, like, to be a better dad. Yeah. 65 00:11:14.100 --> 00:11:16.680 I think so too. And- And I feel like it's, it's... 66 00:11:17.320 --> 00:11:30.680 We, there's so much of, like, the, of George hearing the details of their conversation, like, at the coffee shop or whatever, that, like, actually informs h- the, the rest of the story. 67 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:40.060 And, and like you said, it's just, his first friendship and someone who's like, "You, it's okay to fuck up. We all kinda do it, and also you're not fucking your kid up. 68 00:11:40.100 --> 00:11:51.020 Like, the fact that you care this much shows that, like, you're not a bad parent." And- Yeah... we didn't just have that angle from another parent who had already abandoned the family or whatever- Mm-hmm... 69 00:11:51.040 --> 00:12:02.040 you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Like, we're not getting this parenting advice just through Pete. It's like, we should have had Karen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. 70 00:12:02.660 --> 00:12:08.716 I also feel like Karen was part of the reason he was able to kind of reconnect with Pete. You know? 71 00:12:08.796 --> 00:12:19.136 Like, I, I feel like almost just kind of letting, kind of letting that story out and letting out those feelings of that he- Yeah... had been holding onto about his dad, and kind of letting that go and, you know, uh, 72 00:12:20.976 --> 00:12:29.536 yeah, just talking to someone about it. Um, I felt like that was also kind of his almost like he got permission from her to be like, "Okay, let me- Mm... try again with my dad." Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. You know? 73 00:12:29.616 --> 00:12:40.296 Which it then obviously leads into him babysitting- Yeah... which is- Yeah. Uh, I'm so mad they took that out of the movie. Yeah. I'm actually really mad they took it, that out of the movie. Yeah. 74 00:12:40.316 --> 00:12:46.896 [laughs]

It's- 'Cause, like, there's so many- It was-... connections that are- Yeah... made there that are important to the story. 75 00:12:48.236 --> 00:12:55.056 And just, like, the feeling part, like the whole him l- looking at, like, the drawings- And his phone smiling... and the books and stuff. Yeah. 76 00:12:56.476 --> 00:13:05.356 Yeah, well, sorry, when, when Pete is, like, looking at his phone, like, getting those texts, you know, and from, from Tom, which is what we learn later because w- I think we see it from Amanda's point of view. Yeah. 77 00:13:05.476 --> 00:13:12.315 Um, and he's, like, looking at his phone smiling, and he thinks, she thinks it's a girl that he's- Yeah... talking to or something. Uh-huh. And it turns out to be his son, you know? 78 00:13:12.356 --> 00:13:19.116 And, and it's just- And it's, like, so sweet. Yes. Yeah. And I love that a- as the reader, you know it's, you know that he's talking to Tom. You know that it's not a girl. Yeah. 79 00:13:19.156 --> 00:13:30.036 You know that it's his son that he's talking to, so you get to see that, like, really pure, like, loving way that- Yeah... he's getting excited about, you know, having a- Yeah... relationship with his son again. Yeah. 80 00:13:31.576 --> 00:13:45.856 Um, and yeah, it just, I don't, like... [sighs] The movie was fucked up. I'm so mad. [laughs] Yeah, the movie was really bad. It was really bad, and I'm just like, you literally just got these big names, and then- Yes... 81 00:13:45.896 --> 00:13:51.516 you, you- Mm-hmm... gave them all bad roles. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, what are you... I don't know. 82 00:13:51.736 --> 00:14:02.776 It was- As we, as we were watching it, um, Edgar asked, he's like, "Oh, how do you guys feel about Robert De Niro in this role?" And I was like, "It's fine. Like, I'm not mad or happy about it either way." 83 00:14:02.836 --> 00:14:12.516 I'm like, I just feel like it's not, and it's not necessarily De Niro's fault. No. It's that they just gave him a shitty character. [laughs] You know what I mean? They didn't do anything- They did... with him. Yeah. 84 00:14:12.536 --> 00:14:22.436 They didn't. They didn't, and they could have. It's such a good character. They could have, yeah. Yeah, and I'm like, uh, yeah, it was fucked. It was all fucked, and- Ca- 'cause even... Sorry. 85 00:14:22.556 --> 00:14:27.856 [laughs] Not- No, there was nothing. I, like, pr- It was trail off. [laughs] Yeah. [laughs] I, I, um, 86 00:14:29.436 --> 00:14:38.656 c- 'cause, yeah, like, I, I guess I hadn't really thought about it again since, but, like, they could have done so much with Robert De Niro in that role. [laughs] Yes. Like, they could have- Yeah, 100%... 87 00:14:38.676 --> 00:14:52.696 done so much because, 'cause Pete was a very, very complicated character, and, and we, we, like, again, just to give a little bit of context there, like, he goes from, you know, later we learn that he was an abusive father. 88 00:14:53.296 --> 00:15:05.436 Um, and according to him, right, like, his recall of, of the event is different from Tom's it seems like, but I don't think we really hear- Mm-hmm... what he remembers, right? 89 00:15:05.536 --> 00:15:16.076 Like, it doesn't really sound like- Like, what actually happened. Yeah. Yeah. For that night. Um, um, but e- either way, he, like, takes accountability for having been an alcoholic, right? Um- Mm-hmm... 90 00:15:16.596 --> 00:15:23.736 clearly wasn't a good father at the time. Um, but he still clearly really cared about his son, right? Like, he still loved his son. 91 00:15:24.216 --> 00:15:32.236 Um, and, and then we have him, like, we see him now, where he's, like, so strict and so, like, so strict with himself and, like- Yeah... 92 00:15:32.396 --> 00:15:43.836 not letting himself drink at all and, and, and having so much discipline when, and, uh, going to the gym every day, and, like, showing up for, to look for this kid even though he's not on the clock, you know? Yeah. 93 00:15:43.856 --> 00:15:51.736 And- Yeah... he, he's doing a lot, and, and I, I think he was a good character, and they could have done... 94 00:15:51.876 --> 00:16:00.496 I think R- a- even though, uh, reading the book, I wasn't picturing Robert De Niro 'cause I don't think I'd ha- I, I only knew Adam Scott, and that was kind of him. [laughs] Fit, yeah. 95 00:16:01.236 --> 00:16:13.376 Um, so I wasn't picturing Robert De Niro, but he's a good actor, and they, he could have done so much with that role, and he, they, yeah, they really wasted that potential. They really did. They did. They really did. 96 00:16:13.476 --> 00:16:26.675 And Michelle Monaghan, I'm like, you, you got Adam Scott, Michelle Monaghan, and Robert De Niro, and not to mention fucking Hamish Linklater. Like- [laughs]... wait, I, he, I screamed when he came out. 97 00:16:26.795 --> 00:16:37.296 I was like, "Hamish." [laughs] Like, I love him. So, like, of cour- like, e- even you got him in the movie playing the weirdo, and this movie still sucks? Uh-huh. Yeah. [laughs] Yeah. Come on. 98 00:16:37.316 --> 00:16:47.656 And what they did with his character was, like, oh, my God. Like, what the hell? [laughs] Oh, yeah. Like, the book, yeah, there was just so much more. Um, 99 00:16:48.616 --> 00:16:59.856 if, if we want to, before we, like, I mean, I know we kind of already have gotten really into the movie, but there are some discussion questions in the book if you guys want- Ooh... to kind of maybe go through- Really? 100 00:16:59.856 --> 00:17:09.256 ... some of these, and I don't think we've done that before, right? No, we haven't. Heck yeah. No, that sounds fun. Let's do it. Okay. Um, let's see. From the ones that I read, I think I like, I like this one. 101 00:17:09.296 --> 00:17:24.796 This one is, um, with the father-son relationship being so central to this book, how do you think the story would have been or felt different if Rebecca was alive instead of Tom? Instead of? Yeah. 102 00:17:28.196 -->

00:17:40.356 So they moved to- Well-... that town because- Because of Rebecca. Oh, right. I think it would change a lot. Yeah, 'cause I feel like I would still- Yeah, if we're just talking about- I would-... 103 00:17:40.396 --> 00:17:45.956 the book, because obviously it's different- Yeah... in the movie already with, like- Yeah... him knowing that that's where they're from or whatever. 104 00:17:47.376 --> 00:17:53.756 I think, I think maybe, like, yeah, I think, I think it does change a lot 'cause would they even have moved back to Feather... I mean, it, it's possible, right? 105 00:17:53.816 --> 00:18:02.896 'Cause I don't know if they talk about her having family or not, but, like, it's possible that they could have gone back to Featherbank given that she has ties there. But- Yeah... 106 00:18:02.916 --> 00:18:10.356 she also would know the history better, would probably be like, "I don't wanna take my six-year-old boy to this place." To, yeah, where the wixerman was. [laughs] Exactly. Yeah. 107 00:18:10.980 --> 00:18:22.760 [laughs] And, like, we can't make the blanket statement that all moms are good or all dads are bad, but, like, you know- Yeah... a mom in this situation is just gonna respond differently- Yeah... 108 00:18:22.780 --> 00:18:28.760 than a dad who's obviously already been struggling when he's, like, Rebecca was the one who was good with him. Like- Mm-hmm... she got him. 109 00:18:29.460 --> 00:18:41.520 And so, like, I think that changes a lot because not even just the father-son thing, but him and his imaginary friends being- Yeah, it was-... hi- mom when she was little. Like, I know that- Yeah... 110 00:18:41.560 --> 00:18:43.680 that's an, I don't know, maybe another little spoiler, but, like, 111 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:57.100 we learn that Jake has an imaginary friend who he, he's consistently had imaginary friends, and we learn that one, his most recent or current one, is actually his own... 112 00:18:57.840 --> 00:19:07.040 It's, like, a manifestation of his mom when- Of his mom... she was younger. Yeah. Which is so freaking cute. Which is- I- uh-huh, go for it. No, no, I was just gonna- You keep going... 113 00:19:07.060 --> 00:19:15.140 yeah, a- again, I saw that coming, but, like, yeah, 100- Yeah. [laughs] Like, it was just like, aw, it's his mom. Yeah. But that just, it, I feel like that whole... 114 00:19:16.780 --> 00:19:24.380 Obviously, yeah, like, the whole, like, losing his mom, that, that whole thing was just so heartbreaking, and then just kind of- Yeah... I think that was also a part of it, is, like, kinda l- seeing, seeing... 115 00:19:27.060 --> 00:19:33.140 I think, you know, you, you tend to put yourself in, in these kind of books, you know what I mean? Like, and you kind of put yourself in the place- Yeah... of the character, whatever. 116 00:19:33.580 --> 00:19:42.760 But in my case, I was just like, [gasps] "I'm the mom. I'd be dead," [laughs] you know? So then I was- Yeah. I'm not in this story...

I was thinking... Yeah. [laughs] So, like, I was like, oh. 117 00:19:42.900 --> 00:19:48.380 So then I, of course, I was picturing, you know, my husband and my son as I'm, like, reading this story- Yeah... and I'm like, ugh. 118 00:19:48.740 --> 00:20:03.940 So it's just, yeah, just thinking about, I know there's a part where he, I think it's when he gets, um, the, his package, his package of p- spec- his... Oh my God- His, um-... package of special things... 119 00:20:04.020 --> 00:20:12.400 package of special things. Yes, thank you. I can't, I can't speak. Yeah. And he talks about how he's like, oh, yeah, that he's, he realizes that this whole time his son wants... 120 00:20:12.520 --> 00:20:21.600 He's thinking that the son doesn't wanna be with him, but he's like, "No, the son, he also wants to be with me." I for- Yeah... I forget what the exact line is, but it was- Yeah... heartbreaking. Yeah. 121 00:20:21.679 --> 00:20:28.360 Like, yeah, dude, of course he just wants to be with you. You're his... Yeah. Yeah, like, you're his only parent left. Of course he wants to be with you. Like, how could you think he wouldn't? 122 00:20:28.360 --> 00:20:31.880 [laughs] Yeah, he just want, he wants that closeness. Yeah. Yeah. 123 00:20:33.560 --> 00:20:45.900 Um, kinda going back to the imaginary friend, one of the questions is, how did you feel about Jake's imaginary friend, and do you think it's an effective/healthy coping mechanism? Effective, I don't know about healthy. 124 00:20:45.920 --> 00:20:54.080 I think so. [laughs] I mean, I mean- Yeah. [laughs] I think eventually. Like, if- Yeah... if it's a forever thing, then it's probably not a healthy thing. 125 00:20:54.180 --> 00:21:04.440 But I think to, like, actually process through, like, the wh- like, we see him being able to, like, get down the stairs and, like, get through- Yeah. [laughs]... 126 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:12.640 this because he's like, "You know, Mom is telling me to be brave and stuff, and, like- Yeah... I'm gonna be brave," and, like, he gets through it. Like- Yeah... I, for that, I think it's healthy. 127 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:24.120 It, it could be- Yeah, yeah... it could go in a bad direction, but I think it was- Right... really sweet, and- It was, yeah... it worked. Um, sorry. 128 00:21:24.220 --> 00:21:42.840 The, it just, it just made me think of that part when in, in the book, like, uh, you know, as things go, 'cause, right, 'cause Tom's, like, struggling with l- learning how to handle Jake in this time, and, and 'cause Jake does have these imaginary friends, and he just wants to color, and he's, like, m- more emotional, and he's not really sure how, how to handle that. 129 00:21:43.380 --> 00:21:55.600 Um, and there's that part where he's like, he thinks he's talking to himself because he hears Jake, like, talking, so obviously he can only- Yeah... be talking to himself, and then he hears a voice. Oh, what is it? 130 00:21:55.660 --> 00:22:05.020 Do you remember what it, what he said? Oh, he says, like- Oh, God... "I want to scare you." [laughs] Yes. He says, "I want to scare you." Oh, yeah. And he says, he says it in, like, a creepy voice. When he did- Mm-hmm... 131 00:22:05.020 --> 00:22:14.660 [laughs] when he does that in front of the cops later, I don't know why, I was like, it, like, really scared me for, [laughs] for a second there. [laughs] I was like, oh my God, this boy. 132 00:22:15.080 --> 00:22:23.560 I, I think I would be really scared of him at that point if I was his dad. [laughs] I know. You're like- Oh, yeah... "'Damn, kid, I'm sorry, but you're scaring me." [laughs] Yeah. 133 00:22:23.560 --> 00:22:40.920 [laughs] Like, just have the cops take you, man. [laughs] Yeah. [laughs] They'll take care of you. [laughs] You take him. You take him. Um, okay. Did you, did you guys have any theories as to who the copycat killer was? 134 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:52.700 Um, there's... Or, yeah, who- d- what were some of the other theories that, that you might have had about who the co- copy killer was, copycat killer was, and their relationship to Frank Carter? 135 00:22:54.860 --> 00:23:06.240 I, it totally, for me, was, like, thinking it was just gonna be someone who was trying to copycat and get the fame, and I did not... 136 00:23:06.640 --> 00:23:19.060 It took me a while, and, like, I don't know if this is because I'm dumb or [laughs] if there were bits that were clunky, and that's what led me to... When it dawned on me, I was like, oh, shit, it's his son. Uh-huh. 137 00:23:19.060 --> 00:23:32.220 Yeah. Like, yeah. It, it took me a while to kinda, like, get it. So I didn't- Mm-hmm... see it coming, and I- Mm-hmm... thought it was just, like, maybe some, maybe somebody related somehow to them. Um- Mm-hmm. Uh-huh... 138 00:23:32.220 --> 00:23:44.840 but I just thought maybe a random copycat. Yeah, see, I totally thought it was gonna be the, the guy obsessed with the serial killer. What was his character's name again? Norman. Norman. Norman. Norman Collins. Yeah. 139 00:23:44.920 --> 00:23:58.120 I, I was- Yes... so sure it was gonna be Norman, and then it wasn't. [laughs] And then it wasn't. And then it wasn't. [laughs] And then it turned out it wasn't. Um, um, well, I, I feel like I was like... 140 00:23:58.200 --> 00:24:07.580 Well, 'cause obviously, like, you, you, you first meet Norman because Tom catches him, like, outside, like, trying to get into his garage or something. Uh-huh. 141 00:24:07.680 --> 00:24:17.320 Um, so obviously it's like, oh, that guy's creepy, that guy's weird, and so you're kind of suspecting him, but I think in my mind I was like, it's too obvious. Like, they wouldn't have shown us this yet. Yes. Uh-huh. 142 00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:27.580 You know? Yeah. So I, I don't think I really had any real theories, but yeah, I, I think I was pretty surprised when I was like, oh, it is his son. But- 143 00:24:28.604 --> 00:24:35.844 I think, uh, kind of bringing it back to the movie, I

think the movie was, like, telling you from day one, like, oh, it's a son. Yeah. You know? From the beginning. From like the first moment. 144 00:24:35.984 --> 00:24:45.784 It was like immediately- Yeah... tell you that, oh, yeah, it's his son. [laughs] Like, even though it wasn't telling you- 'Cause it really is what you're doing, uh, what you said they're doing, like the dumb it- Yes... 145 00:24:45.804 --> 00:24:57.384 dumbing down stuff- Yes... for people. Yeah. Uh-huh. Yeah. Yeah, they're, like, hinting at it throughout the whole thing so that you'll, like... Anybody who is barely watching will be like, "Oh." Oh. It's a son. 146 00:24:57.424 --> 00:25:10.344 You know it's his son. I feel so smart. I got it. Yeah. I knew- Yeah [laughs]... it was. That's so upsetting. It really is. It really is. But yeah, you're 100% right, Jers, that they, they Netflixified it. 147 00:25:10.664 --> 00:25:23.724 Nex- Net- Streamified it... Netflixified. [laughs] Yeah. Streamified it. Yeah. Yeah, 'cause that's, like, actually a thing, that w- a lot of streaming services will make what they call second screen- Yeah... content. 148 00:25:24.444 --> 00:25:33.924 Yeah. So it's just like... 'Cause, yeah, they're expecting you to be on your phone, so they're dumbing it down and, like, spoon-feeding you this information. Yeah. Which is- Yeah, like- And that was... 149 00:25:34.624 --> 00:25:45.524 [laughs] And they're still getting paid millions of dollars to do it. And they're still getting paid so much money. It's ridiculous. For that garbage. Fucking basura, yo. I just felt like... 150 00:25:46.224 --> 00:25:54.004 I, I watched this, and I thought, "What the fuck does Alex North think about this?" Like, you get- Yeah... 151 00:25:54.044 --> 00:26:02.644 a book that's adapted, and it's put on Netflix, and this is a big deal, and this is exciting, and then it's this garbage? And it's, it- Like, that must suck for him. And can you imagine? 152 00:26:02.684 --> 00:26:10.364 Like, you're being told, like, "Oh, Adam Scott is gonna play your character, like, the character that you wrote." I'd be so excited. Adam Scott and- Yeah... Robert De Niro are gonna be- We got Robert De Niro... 153 00:26:10.364 --> 00:26:18.064 playing, like, the two main characters. I'd be like, 'Fuck yeah." And then, like, to watch that, yeah, that would be so upsetting. And to take out all of the 154 00:26:19.564 --> 00:26:30.104 i- import- important content, and to do all of the spoon-feeding of the stuff that was like, it's a thriller. We're supposed to, like, kinda happen upon a lot of these discoveries. Yeah. Yeah. 155 00:26:30.164 --> 00:26:40.864 And they were just like, "Here. Here you go." Here you go. And it just- [laughs]... it, it ruined it. I don't know. [laughs] Yeah. It sucked. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they... It really was, 'cause I feel like even, 156 00:26:42.284 --> 00:26:51.384 even the way, um, we finally catch the copycat killer, it's just kinda like, "Here you go." [laughs] You

know? Like- Yeah... "Now it's over." You know? Yeah. 157 00:26:51.384 --> 00:26:59.984 It's just kinda happenstance versus, like, in the book, we fought for this. You know what I mean? Like- Yeah... like, we were in there, and, and we had to... 158 00:27:00.524 --> 00:27:07.244 We had, yeah, like, he, he really had to fight to get his son back, you know? Um- He really had to put all of the pieces together to- Yes... 159 00:27:07.384 --> 00:27:16.944 open the packet and look at the drawing and compare it to the butterflies he saw- Yeah... in their garage, and then figure out where- Where were the butterflies?... who taught him how to dra- There were no butterflies. 160 00:27:16.944 --> 00:27:25.084 Not even one. We didn't even see one. It's, yeah. [laughs] Um- It literally just dawned on me right now that, yeah, like, yeah, there were no butterflies in the movie. 161 00:27:25.104 --> 00:27:33.504 That's like- There were no- We didn't even know what the hell they were... all of the, the imagery on the- The wings... thing. Exactly. [laughs] It's like, on the book, yeah, there's a butterfly. Um, 162 00:27:34.524 --> 00:27:45.944 okay, just a couple ones. I think this one, um, is interesting. The book has many different scary moments from supernatural creepiness to serial killer horror. What did you find the, the scariest? 163 00:27:46.164 --> 00:28:02.824 And then how did the author create the feeling of suspense in those moments? I think it was a lot of the real world fears kind of being brought to us in the form of what could be paranormal. 164 00:28:02.984 --> 00:28:09.384 Like, it's like you kinda think- Mm-hmm... maybe he's talking to a little ghost girl, or, like, what's happening, and why is he talking to someone out the window? 165 00:28:09.424 --> 00:28:15.964 And it's, like, real world heavy things, like these father-son dynamics and stuff, but, like... 166 00:28:16.844 --> 00:28:27.344 And a kidnapping story, which I don't wanna say, like, a basic kidnapping story, but we, it, it felt creepier than that, I think, because of these- Mm-hmm... other, like, elements that made it seem like 167 00:28:28.424 --> 00:28:40.704 a little bit of a misdirect in a fun way. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I do agree. Like- Because for me, it wasn't obvious that it was his mom. I thought that it was just, like, oh, this is a... He sees ghosts. And- Yeah... 168 00:28:40.764 --> 00:28:50.223 this is a victim. You know, I thought- Yeah... from the beginning that it was a victim- Yeah... of the Whisper Man possi- like from the very beginning. Then we find out he just, like, killed boys or whatever. 169 00:28:50.343 --> 00:29:02.344 But, um, yeah, I thought it was just a little ghost girl who he was being friends with, and then when we get that discovery that it's actually, like, the manifestation of his mom, I was like, oh. [laughs] I was- Yeah. 170 00:29:02.344 --> 00:29:10.184 [laughs] I was re- I thought I was reading a ghost story. [laughs] Yeah, and I mean, but the thing is that it, it does... They do also give you the boy on the floor, you know what I mean? Yes, exactly. 171 00:29:10.284 --> 00:29:19.044 So it's like you do know he is seeing something, you know? Yeah. Mm-hmm. He is seeing a ghost or something. He knows something. Or a ghost presence. Yeah. So yeah. 172 00:29:19.084 --> 00:29:31.184 Like, I feel like, yeah, making that, thinking that she's a ghost too, that makes sense. Uh, sorry, what was the question again? [laughs] Just what did you find the scariest? Because it kinda gave you this- Oh, yeah... 173 00:29:31.184 --> 00:29:41.044 like, real supernatural parts, but it also gave you, like, the real-life scariness. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, for sure the scariest part was, was the hand coming in through- Oh my God... the thing, the door. 174 00:29:41.184 --> 00:29:51.544 That was awful. It was horrifying. Yeah, yeah. That was, ugh. Like, no thanks. [laughs] Yeah. Um- It... Ooh, yeah. Yeah. I, I hate the fact- I, I just-... that that's a thing. I don't... 175 00:29:52.064 --> 00:30:03.644 Why is there a, a slot from the outside into the inside? Yeah. [laughs] A slot big enough where- That shouldn't exist on a door... you can stick something... Yeah, no, no, no. [laughs] No thanks. 176 00:30:03.744 --> 00:30:12.804 Um, but yeah, that was... That, like, ugh. And then just knowing that there is someone just on the other side of your door- Uh-huh... who wants to take your kid, you know what I mean? Yeah. 177 00:30:12.844 --> 00:30:27.004 Like, that is actively talking to your child. Who's spoken to him. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, no. Um, another one is this book features many imperfect characters. Did you feel that any were successfully redeemed by the end? 178 00:30:27.064 --> 00:30:40.812 And if so, what made you feel worthy of their redemption? I think like- I feel like, I think, yeah... I think like Pete is kind of the most- Yes. Yes. [laughs] Yeah. Like, I was just gonna say Pete. Yeah. 179 00:30:40.852 --> 00:30:49.712 Pete is obviously the one who- Pete, for sure... who not necessarily is in need of redemption, but like- Yeah... he's the one that is trying to redeem himself, you know? Yeah. 180 00:30:49.732 --> 00:30:59.572 Like, in the eye- at least in the eyes of his son, you know. He's like, "I fucked up." Mm-hmm. "Now I'm trying to make things better." And I do, I like that we get those glimpses. 181 00:30:59.652 --> 00:31:10.392 I think we, we had touched on it briefly earlier about him being an alcoholic. Um. Mm-hmm. And he talks about having the picture of him and his wife. Mm-hmm. And looking at that and being like, okay- Yeah... 182 00:31:10.432 --> 00:31:20.992 I'm not gonna drink because of that. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like, looking at that and being like, this is what you lose when you drink. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And I think that was a really, 183 00:31:23.312 --> 00:31:33.272 I think that was a really clear way of us showing, of Alex or showing us that, hey, this guy is obviously doing

better. Like, he's, you know, he's- Yeah... he even does the thing where he opens the, the, 184 00:31:34.412 --> 00:31:44.112 the liquor bottle, but then he puts it away. You know what I mean? Like, like so like he does- Mm-hmm. Yeah... almost every step up to drinking, but doesn't drink. And it's like- Uh-huh... that is so... 185 00:31:44.192 --> 00:31:47.872 That, I can't imagine the kind of willpower that must take, you know what I mean? To be able to- Yeah. Mm-hmm, yeah... 186 00:31:47.932 --> 00:31:54.552 not drink [laughs] when you want, want, wanna drink so bad like that, especially when something's so edgy- And to have-... like a child kidnapping... yeah. 187 00:31:55.332 --> 00:32:08.312 And to have all of the introspection to be like, this is what the, you know, addict or alcoholic monster is telling me at this moment, and this is what I have to tell it to get it to shut up. I have to make- Yeah... 188 00:32:08.412 --> 00:32:13.332 myself believe that I'm gonna go home and drink, and then I'm gonna go home and I'm not gonna. Like- Yeah... 189 00:32:13.712 --> 00:32:23.932 that's, all, the fact that he's like self-aware enough to go through all of that, it's like a lot of growth, a lot of maturity- Yeah... and work. Yeah. And that's not- That's for sure... 190 00:32:23.972 --> 00:32:29.932 an easy thing to do, [laughs] you know? Like- Mm-mm. No... especially as an, as an addict. Like, there's no way that's easy. 191 00:32:29.992 --> 00:32:39.472 So I think that is really seeing that, and then having him try to, um, then obviously c- having Tom come in and him trying to reconnect with Tom. It kind of, 192 00:32:40.912 --> 00:32:50.512 it's really heartbreaking to think that that could have been a really beautiful relationship, you know, that could have- Yeah. Mm-hmm... come from that. And then, and not just that, but then also like 193 00:32:52.472 --> 00:33:03.152 having him then connect with his grandson, and then obviously- Yeah. Mm-hmm... he was just so happy to babysit. So like- Yeah... ooh, I'm gonna cry. [laughs] To have a bl- I know. 194 00:33:03.312 --> 00:33:10.092 To like have that chance again to like connect with that little boy in his family. Yeah. And it's like- Yeah, exactly... 195 00:33:10.132 --> 00:33:18.412 it's just like his so- you think about his son at that age probably and like relating a lot to that, and just like, I get to do this again. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And not be the disappointment in this situation this time. 196 00:33:18.412 --> 00:33:29.272 And not fuck it up this time. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And, and he even says, he even talks about how like when he's, he's there with Jake, he like wants to tell him like, "Oh, I used to read this book to your dad." You know? 197 00:33:29.432 --> 00:33:43.072 Yeah. Like, he, he wants to tell him, but he like doesn't tell him. Um, and yeah, I, I think, I, I agree. I think, um, like he clearly, he clearly regrets what he had done- Yeah... 198 00:33:43.152 --> 00:33:54.792 you know, with, with having, when he was an alcoholic. And, um, and it, and it really does feel like he wasn't taking the second chance lightly. You know? Yes. Mm-hmm. Like that he, he saw the value in it- Yeah... 199 00:33:54.832 --> 00:34:09.932 and he wanted to make, he wanted to do right by his son and, and right by his grandson at this point. Mm-hmm. Um, and, and I can respect that, like he, he stayed away, um, from, from Tom, like as an adult. 200 00:34:10.532 --> 00:34:20.392 Uh, 'cause I think he talks about how after Rebecca passed away that he like, he, I think he does say that he, he knew about it, right? And he like wanted to reach out- Yeah... or something. Yeah. Mm-hmm. 201 00:34:20.392 --> 00:34:29.272 Um, and, and I, and I can respect that, like i- in either way, right? Like I, I, I could also respect that if he had reached out and been like, "Hey, you know, I'm so sorry for- Yeah... your loss." 202 00:34:29.332 --> 00:34:35.612 But I also understand that like he probably knew that he didn't wanna talk to him. And clearly Tom didn't, you know? [laughs] Yeah, yeah. He clearly don't did it. 203 00:34:35.652 --> 00:34:48.972 And I don't think Tom would've, you know, taken it super well if he had, you know? Yeah. Um, but, uh, but yeah, I think, I do think he redeemed himself, and I think just in general- I think so... 204 00:34:49.012 --> 00:34:50.392 I think he was a good character. 205 00:34:50.992 --> 00:35:02.972 Um, there's one more question that I feel like I, I kind of did wanna get into, but I think we can maybe get back into the general story and how we felt about the movies, 'cause this one is more specifically about the ending- Ooh, okay... 206 00:35:03.012 --> 00:35:18.092 which I'm sure we'll get into. I feel like on the, maybe similar to just like the question before, just like we got to see Tom grow as well. 207 00:35:18.372 --> 00:35:30.232 And like he, he wasn't a bad dad or like- Mm-hmm... a problem at all. He just obviously cared a lot about Jake and wanted, like didn't want hard things for him, which is probably primarily- Yeah... 208 00:35:30.252 --> 00:35:36.972 why he's like, "I want you to make friends, and I don't want you talking- Yeah... to imaginary friends 'cause like I just want- Mm-hmm... your life to be easy." 209 00:35:37.712 --> 00:35:50.792 Um, but we also see, I think, like he's definitely on his way to like a better relationship with him at the end, and is like- Yes. Yeah... he's gonna, I want him to be the kid that he is, and also like- Mm-hmm... 210 00:35:50.852 --> 00:35:56.912 just accepting that like he does love me and want me in his life. So like- Yeah... we got to see that growth as well, which was really sweet. Yeah. 211 00:35:57.972 --> 00:36:11.592 And, and I think that's like another thing that I don't love about the movie, is that we don't get that struggle that he had, um, with like being a single dad. You know? Uh, 'cause- Mm-hmm. Yeah... 212 00:36:11.632 --> 00:36:17.612 we just kinda

see him, like he seems to already have a great relationship with his son at that point in the movie. 213 00:36:18.072 --> 00:36:29.972 And, um, like in the book, you know, he's constantly struggling with this like learning how to help him cope when he knows that like h- Jake is a little different from other boys maybe- Mm-hmm... right? Mm-hmm. 214 00:36:30.012 --> 00:36:43.080 And, and, um, he doesn't know how to handle that. And then we have, um- Like, him dealing, like, not knowing how to deal with this teacher who's, like- Yeah... punishing his child, you know? 215 00:36:43.200 --> 00:36:52.540 And like, not really know- just kind of being like, "Okay, I'll, I'll talk to him," or whatever, and, you know, Jake looks really sad or what- and then at the end, you know, when he finally stands up for him, you're like, "Yeah!" 216 00:36:52.620 --> 00:37:03.980 [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. You know? And then that's kind of like- You tell that teacher. [laughs] Exactly, yeah. [laughs] And like, in the movie, you just, you get that, like, right away, where he's just like- Yeah... 217 00:37:04.040 --> 00:37:13.180 oh, like something- Mm-hmm... whatever about bullies. He put me on yellow. Yeah. Yeah. [laughs] Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So you kinda get that right away, so you don't really get that growth, so it's kinda like, oh, okay. 218 00:37:13.200 --> 00:37:23.900 Yeah, you're right. [laughs] Yeah. I, I think that was the first note I wrote was, like, from the movie, and I just put, "From the top, they're already talking a lot about feelings." And I was like- Yeah [laughs]... 219 00:37:23.940 --> 00:37:33.380 we, it took us a long time to get to this point in the book, and already- In the book, yeah... we're just like... That's why immediately I was like, "This is gonna be bad." Yeah. [laughs] Yeah. This is gonna be bad. 220 00:37:33.740 --> 00:37:46.280 Yeah. 'Cause the, you start with the development already there. Like, no, we're supposed to- Yeah... develop that throughout the story, like, not- Yeah, we're supposed to feel it- Yeah... as, as it happens. Yeah. Dang. 221 00:37:46.500 --> 00:37:58.360 Um, and, and to that point, I think the movie just did that the entire time. [laughs] Yes. Yeah, there was no re- When we just kind of jump in. Yeah. Yeah, there was no- We just jump into everything... 222 00:37:58.980 --> 00:38:07.520 there was, um- But- There's, you've got that, that sort of, like, build-up and then reveal of Pete being Tom's dad, and you don't get that- Mm-hmm... at all in the movie. It's just automatically- Yeah... 223 00:38:07.560 --> 00:38:22.060 oh, yeah, that's my dad. And it's just like- Yeah. Yeah... oh, okay. Okay then, [laughs] you know? Sure, okay, if you say so. Yeah, so it's just like, uh, okay, I guess. And, um, in the movie too, like, we have Neil. 224 00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:29.580 I think, like, Neil's the second boy, right? Like, versus in the mo- the mo- or sorry, book, he's the first boy that is abducted- Mm-hmm... by this- Yeah... 225 00:38:29.620 --> 00:38:39.100 new copycat killer, whereas in the movie it seems like it's the second one, 'cause I think it starts and there's already a body. And then- Yeah, that's true... um- Yeah, who was that? 226 00:38:39.120 --> 00:38:54.300 And then, yeah, w- we never even talk about him. Um, and then we have Neil being abducted, and, uh, and that's kinda like, then we just jump right into the next one. [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. 227 00:38:54.320 --> 00:39:04.740 Which, um, and, and we have, like, no build-up with, with, like, again, like what we're, w- we've been talking about. Like, we have that build-up of, like, first we're seeing these struggles between Jake and Tom. 228 00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:12.720 Then we see, like, now they're in this new place, and they have, like, these weird little ongoing, like, things happening in the house, and there's- Mm-hmm... a boy in the floor, and there's this and that, right? 229 00:39:12.740 --> 00:39:20.800 And it's all weird and creepy- Mm-hmm... and there's like, "Oh, maybe someone's trying to get him, and now we're gonna try to..." Yeah. There's all this stuff going on, but in the movie it's just like, "Oh, Neil's taken. 230 00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:28.220 Oh, Neil's dead now. Oh, now he's abducted." Oh. And gone. Yeah. [laughs] All of my notes have a bunch of exclamation points, 'cause I was like, "What the hell?" 231 00:39:28.220 --> 00:39:39.400 [laughs] I have, um, the w- excited one I have is just when I saw Hamish, and it's just, "Hamish!!", with a bunch of exclamation points. 232 00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:49.380 [laughs] It took me a while to realize who it was, 'cause Kristina was like, um, she was like, "Oh, it's the hot priest," which automatically I was thinking about Fleabag, and I was like, "That's not him." 233 00:39:49.420 --> 00:40:03.400 Huh, it's the other hot priest. [laughs] Yeah. I was like, "Who are you talking about?" And then I got it. Yeah. I, um, I saw it, I caught it immediately, and then I was like, "Am I wrong?" 234 00:40:04.080 --> 00:40:13.180 And then it took me a second to be like, "Oh, no, no, that's him." Yeah. [laughs] But, um, yeah, it was another one of those things where I'm like, oh my God, this person is in that mo- is in this movie? 235 00:40:13.300 --> 00:40:27.100 But, like, again, it's just garbage. I know. It's so disappointing. Okay. Sorry, what were we talking about? Just how garbage it was. We're talking about Hamish. Oh, about you saying he was the hot priest. Oh, yeah. 236 00:40:27.100 --> 00:40:39.680 [laughs] Yeah, from about, from Midnight Mass. I was like, wrong hot priest. Yeah, I know, but he is a hot priest. [laughs] Yes, he was. I love him so much. I'm gonna try to look for my notes. 237 00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:50.900 Have you guys ever watched- I know I saw him... New Adventures of Old Christine? No. No. With Julia, it was a sitcom with Julia, Julia Louis-Dreyfus and Hamish- Yeah... as her brother. 238 00:40:51.720 --> 00:40:59.300 It's

one of the funniest shows I've ever seen, and, like, no one knows about it, and, like, no one has really seen it, and- Yeah... I... 239 00:41:00.380 --> 00:41:11.720 JLD is so funny in it, and it was the first time I'd ever seen Hamish, and so, like, that's where I know him from. Yeah. And yeah, you should watch it. Ooh, okay, yeah. I'll have to check it out then. 240 00:41:13.720 --> 00:41:27.440 But I guess on the casting thing, I literally just looked this, I was telling Drea that I just noticed this when we got on. Uh, did not realize that that was Michael Keaton in the movie. Yeah. 241 00:41:27.620 --> 00:41:37.300 [laughs] I don't know why I didn't realize it. [laughs] I was, maybe by that point I was just like, this, this is garbage, and- Just checked out. Yeah. Yeah. You were just like, "I'm not doing this anymore." 242 00:41:37.300 --> 00:41:45.940 [laughs] I did not realize that was him. I think because- Yeah... I was pissed that, like, he's supposed to be big and scary and, like, huge and, like- Yes... daunting. Mm-hmm, yes. Mm-hmm. 243 00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:57.320 So this little guy comes in, and I'm like- Yeah... whatever. [laughs] Yeah, that's that guy. And I didn't even realize it was Michael Keaton. [laughs] Fucking Batman. It was the Batman. I know. 244 00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:03.720 I feel like you could've swapped Michael Keaton and Robert De Niro, and I would've been like, "Yeah, okay." [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. Sure. 245 00:42:04.680 --> 00:42:12.080 But again, I just, 'cause again, I don't, I just feel like it just didn't, I don't know. Either way- Yeah, they didn't do-... they did what they did wrong... they didn't do anything with the characters. Yeah. 246 00:42:12.340 --> 00:42:25.060 Yeah, they didn't. Exactly. Exactly. [laughs] Um, let's see. Okay, J- going back to Robert De Niro, though, um- Yeah... I think, again, just 'cause we've talked so much about Pete, uh, I think, 247 00:42:26.280 --> 00:42:32.400 like I said, right, Pete, Pete is out there, like, looking for Neil the moment that's called in- Yeah... right? Yes. 248 00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:44.140 Because he's just like, this is like, oh, you know, for him it's like, "Oh, shit, I, I- I was the one who never found these boys in the past- Yeah... or, or never found Tony Smith." Um, and- 249 00:42:45.108 --> 00:42:50.428 And like, I can't let that happen again, and he's there looking for Neil with everybody on that night when he's not even working. 250 00:42:51.108 --> 00:43:00.108 And then in the movie, we have Robert De Niro, who, like, knows this boy's missing, and he, she has to come- Yeah, come and get him... for help. She has to come... Yeah. Yeah. 251 00:43:00.128 --> 00:43:08.268 She has to come get him and ask him, you know? And she has to be the one pushing him, being like, "You need to help me find this little boy." And it w- I don't know why that just, like, really pissed me off- Yeah... 252 00:43:08.268 --> 00:43:18.448 'cause it was just like, no. [laughs]

Because, no, because it shows- It's not him... it shows that, like, in the book, it shows that he's obviously still being haunted by the Whisper Man and by the fact- Yeah... 253 00:43:18.488 --> 00:43:30.288 that he never found Tony Smith. So yeah, like, obviously, like, and it- I feel like you can't work through all that and not come out caring about kids. You know what I mean? Like [laughs] Mm-hmm. Yeah. 254 00:43:30.468 --> 00:43:40.488 So it's like, yeah, it makes sense that he'd be out there looking for a, a missing child. Yeah. And I like that, that in the book, he even talks about how like, oh, he knows his turn- dinner's going cold. 255 00:43:40.608 --> 00:43:48.088 You know what I mean? Like that he just- Yeah, yeah... he just spent all this time making this wonderful dinner, and then he heard about a missing kid, so he just abandoned his food and went to go look for the kid. 256 00:43:48.568 --> 00:43:56.048 Yeah, yep. So it's like- Exactly... and then to kind of have the m- the movie where she comes in, what's her name? Um, what was her name? Amanda? Amanda. The character's name? Yeah, Amanda, yeah. 257 00:43:56.108 --> 00:44:07.708 Amanda comes in and is like, has to talk him into helping her. And- Yeah... and while she's doing that, he's, like, cooking dinner. Mm-hmm. And I'm like, nah, fuck you. [laughs] Like- Yeah. [laughs]... what the fuck? 258 00:44:08.448 --> 00:44:16.908 Like, I don't know. I just felt like such a, almost like a slap in the face of the book. Uh-huh. Yeah. You know? To be like, look, he's cooking dinner like in the book. 259 00:44:17.468 --> 00:44:28.528 We said, yeah, that, you saying that remind, like, makes me think, like, it's almost like an AI made the movie. Like, it picked up all the elements from the book and was like, surely this is what, what's important. 260 00:44:28.568 --> 00:44:39.788 He cooked dinner. Yeah. Right? And it's like- [laughs] He cooked dinner. No, no. [laughs] It's not- Which I did- Just follow the data... the important part. [laughs] Which I did wanna just point out- Good, good... 261 00:44:39.788 --> 00:44:43.948 'cause I did look up the screenwriters. It's Ben Jacoby and Chase Palmer. 262 00:44:44.988 --> 00:44:54.608 Which Ben Jacoby, um, is the first name that comes up, and I never saw it, but I had heard bad things about The First Omen, and he did write that one. 263 00:44:54.968 --> 00:45:01.528 But I don't, again, I n- never saw it, so I don't know if it's any good or not. I don't know if you guys saw it. Okay. But I heard- Oh... not good things about it. I haven't seen it. 264 00:45:01.808 --> 00:45:13.048 So- Wait, is it the one- I don't know... the newest one? The new- Yes. Yeah, the one in 2024. Oh, yeah. That was hilarious. [laughs] Oh. Really? Now I wanna watch it. Oh. Damn. Let me, let me- Okay... let me make sure. 265 00:45:13.068 --> 00:45:25.408 But hold on. Let me make sure, because- Like, uh... It was that one girl. Yeah, who's... Right? I think so. And that one guy. Bill Nighy. Bill Nighy's in that one. Is he? I think so. Yeah, Bill Nighy's in it. 266 00:45:25.408 --> 00:45:32.868 If it's the movie I'm thinking about. Yep. Bill Nighy. And Charles Dance. Bill Nighy? The science guy? Not the science guy. No. The other, the other Bill Nighy. Other Bill Nighy. The, uh- [laughs] Like, what?... 267 00:45:32.888 --> 00:45:48.208 the British Bill Nighy. I know. [laughs] Yeah. That's not fair. One of 'em needs to change their names. [laughs] Yeah. I'll tell you right now which one. [laughs] I'll tell you right now which one. 268 00:45:48.208 --> 00:46:02.788 [laughs] Um... But yeah, so he did The First Omen, and I didn't recognize anything else on there. Everything else- Okay. I, I don't know any of these... I did watch The First Omen, 269 00:46:04.568 --> 00:46:21.008 and it was hilarious, um, because... Hilarious 'cause it wasn't good? It wasn't great. Um. [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I would say hilarious enough that it's absolutely worth the watch, but I- Okay... 270 00:46:21.028 --> 00:46:31.428 thought it was really funny. And there's like, there's, like, certain parts of it that it's like, it's, you know, [sighs] [laughs] 271 00:46:31.568 --> 00:46:46.748 I just like, I don't wanna give away too much about it either, 'cause I want you to enjoy the, the experience, but there is a, there is a part that made me think of that scene in Scary Movie 3 when, uh, when the pastor's wife gets, like, pinned up against the tree, you know? 272 00:46:47.108 --> 00:46:56.228 And that whole scene- Oh, no... it, like, I, I, like, just could only think of that scene because of the way it happened, and it, it's just so, like, ridiculous. 273 00:46:56.308 --> 00:47:02.488 And there's, [laughs] there's, like, another scene where you get, like, her POV 'cause she's, like, laying down and she's, like, strapped to whatever. 274 00:47:02.647 --> 00:47:06.468 It's like, what, you know, it's getting to, like, the height of stuff, and it's all scary and whatever. 275 00:47:06.568 --> 00:47:15.908 But, um, it's a good [laughs] it's like her POV, so you have, like, Bill Nighy, like, right there in the shot, and then he's, like, very slowly moving out of it. And it's just- [laughs]... 276 00:47:15.988 --> 00:47:25.168 this long, drawn-out shot of him, like, slowly moving out of it. [laughs] My God. And it's so funny. Um. That's great. 277 00:47:25.188 --> 00:47:38.968 But yeah, I, I think, um, funny enough and, and, like, not terrible enough that I think it's worth the watch. Okay. All right, cool. But you have to go into it knowing that it's not, like, the best movie ever. 278 00:47:39.008 --> 00:47:48.368 Not gonna be good. You know? Yeah. Yeah. And see, the, the other- Got it... writer that had come up was Chase Palmer, and he's got some better credits on here. 279 00:47:48.428 --> 00:47:58.128 He's got, uh, he wrote, or he was part of the writing team for It. Okay. The n- the- Ooh, okay... first one. Yeah. The new one, so I'm

like, yeah, that was good. 280 00:47:59.148 --> 00:48:10.128 And I guess he worked on The Alienist, which I never saw, but I heard good things about it. I don't think I've seen that either. And I don't recognize anything else. [laughs] In terms of writers? 281 00:48:10.808 --> 00:48:19.208 In terms of writers, yeah, in terms of writing. Right. But yeah, I'm like, mm, 'cause I, 'cause yeah, I did think, I did wonder, I think we touched on it earlier, we're like, what does Alex North think of this movie? 282 00:48:19.228 --> 00:48:32.808 [laughs] That where it's like, I thought about it. I was like, why did you change it so much? Yeah. Like- Yeah... why did you come in as a script writer and just change so many important things? Like, um, 283 00:48:34.668 --> 00:48:46.508 yeah, I don't know. [laughs] Yeah. I don't know. It's just totally different. It sucks. And it, yeah, it's just like, especially when you got someone like Adam Scott on something, like, I get it. 284 00:48:46.688 --> 00:48:58.836 Robert De Niro, you, he costs a lot of money, and you probably don't have to make him do that much Whatever. He can, he's allowed to suck, I guess. [laughs] But, like, I don't know. I'm just like- Oh my God... 285 00:48:58.876 --> 00:49:10.676 you- you got Adam Scott, and, like, it just, it blows. Like, did you guys see Hokum? No. I haven't yet, but I do really wanna watch it. We were just talking about that last night. 286 00:49:11.216 --> 00:49:21.356 Okay, watch Hokum, because it's another movie of him as a writer, [laughs] um- [laughs]... where he's also- I hear he's good. Yeah, I heard good things about that one. He, you know what the thing is? 287 00:49:21.996 --> 00:49:34.096 Adam Scott, and I don't know what this says about him, he's really good at playing shitty people. Yeah. He's good at playing people that are just like, dang, that guy needs some help. [laughs] Yeah. 288 00:49:34.096 --> 00:49:44.356 [laughs] And, like, he's so good at it that I'm just like, do you suck in real life, Adam Scott, or are you that good? [laughs] I want to, I'm just gonna believe that he's just that good. Yeah. 289 00:49:44.376 --> 00:49:57.096 I think he's just that good. I think so. But yeah, he's very good at playing shitty people. Yeah. Not shitty. I don't wanna say he's a bad guy, I just mean, uh, problemed. Troubled people. [laughs] Troubled. Tom. 290 00:49:57.236 --> 00:50:10.736 [laughs] I mean, yeah, you guys have seen Step Brothers, right? [laughs] Yeah. That was literally my first introduction to Adam Scott, so, like... [laughs] Yeah, that's a good one. Kind of forgot he was in that. 291 00:50:10.736 --> 00:50:21.456 I think I've only seen half of Step Brothers ever. I think he plays... He st- he plays one of their real brothers. Yeah, one of their real brothers. Jo- John C. Reilly's real brother? I think. That's so funny. 292 00:50:21.516 --> 00:50:31.116 I have no idea. Yeah. But yeah, he's just... [laughs] Is that the right person, John C. Reilly? That is him, right? Yeah. [laughs] Yeah, yeah. It is John C. Reilly- Yeah... and what's-his-face, Will Ferrell. 293 00:50:34.716 --> 00:50:45.016 Do we wanna talk about the ending, or are we not there yet? Yeah. I mean, we certainly can. [laughs] So I, I think kind of just to, to give that, again, give that context, we kind of already touched on it, right? 294 00:50:45.116 --> 00:50:58.916 That he, that, well, Pete comes and he babysits for Tom. Yeah. Mm-hmm. He babysits Jake, um, while Tom is out on a date with Karen, and then that's when the Whisper Man comes, 295 00:51:00.656 --> 00:51:14.176 uh, stabs Pete, and then takes Jake. Later, Tom, yeah, did you have a thought there? Yeah. Huh? Did you have a thought there? You breathed in like you were gonna say something. Yeah. 296 00:51:14.336 --> 00:51:28.076 No, I was just gonna say, that scene in the book is horrifying. Yeah. I hate it so much. Yeah. Ugh, I know. It was like, oh my God. The, yeah, and then y- again, as this, the reader, you know that Tom's not home. Yeah. 297 00:51:28.116 --> 00:51:37.316 You know it's not Tom coming in through the door. Yes. Mm-hmm. But, you know- Yes... and then to have Pete be like, "Oh, Tom's back," and so he goes down and you hear the, you know, what's, um, Jake hears the, the, 298 00:51:38.396 --> 00:51:47.456 the fight that they have and then- Yeah... yeah. He's, like, just frozen. Poor kid. Oh, I can't. Yeah, that was awful. It was horrible. That, that entire time I was like, "Okay, Tom's gone. 299 00:51:47.656 --> 00:51:55.936 This is gonna be when it happens." You know? Yeah. So then he, like, he screams. He, uh, Pete hears Jake screaming, and then you're like, "Oh, it was just a bad dream." You're like, "Oh, thank God." Yeah. 300 00:51:55.956 --> 00:52:03.416 So maybe it's not gonna happen, you know? Mm-hmm. But, like, you, you, you hope that he's not gonna get kidnapped, but you also know he is gonna get kidnapped. [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. Yep. 301 00:52:04.296 --> 00:52:17.876 Um, and then, and then again, you hear the door open and you're like, "No, no, no, no, no." [laughs] Um, but, um, then we go from that to him being taken. 302 00:52:18.076 --> 00:52:30.176 Then we have, um, Tom and Karen figuring out where he is- Mm-hmm... um, with, you know, all of that good stuff. And then did you wanna get into, like, the ending ending? 303 00:52:31.456 --> 00:52:44.016 Yeah, 'cause it's so, there's a, it's so different. I'm- Yeah. Yes... I'm like, there's- Well, k- I mean, like, the, the- It kind of... last scene is, I- I get last scene, is, like, not- The same. Yeah. 304 00:52:44.936 --> 00:52:57.476 But, like, it's also very different in how they find him, because again- Yeah... going into the book, we have, we have, um, Tom finally going into his packet of special things, and that's where he finds- Mm-hmm... 305 00:52:57.516 --> 00:53:07.936 the clues, right? He finds, like- Mm-hmm... he finds the pictures of Rebecca in that, or, like, in front of that

house. He finds, like- Mm-hmm... the, the drawing of the butterflies and realizes that, like, 306 00:53:08.976 --> 00:53:18.516 Jake didn't draw this butterfly. You know? Yeah, yeah. Like, somebody drew this butterfly for him, and it's connect- somehow connected to what's been going on. Yeah. And that's what leads him back to the school, right? 307 00:53:18.596 --> 00:53:26.956 Mm-hmm. To be like, "Somebody at this school did this for him." Yes. Um, and that's how he connects, like, somebody at the school was who took him, you know? Yeah. Yeah. 308 00:53:27.056 --> 00:53:37.296 Um, and then we get Karen coming in clutch and being like, "I'm a reporter. I know who it is." You know? [laughs] Yeah. Oh, yeah. Let's go find him. Let's go find this guy. I completely forgot Karen was a reporter. 309 00:53:37.356 --> 00:53:45.756 That's right. Yeah. Yeah. She, oh my God, she was so crucial to the story. [laughs] She was so crucial to the story. So crucial. I'm so mad. Yeah. I'm just getting more mad. [laughs] Yeah. 310 00:53:47.216 --> 00:53:58.596 Um, yeah, but then we get them actually, like, you know, again, it, oh my God, that scene where he's at the door and you know, you know Jake's in there, you know? And, and- Yes... 311 00:53:58.616 --> 00:54:08.056 and Tom's at the door, and he's, like, about to leave. He's about to be like- Yeah. Yeah... "Oh, you know what? This guy actually is just sick, and I'm just being crazy. I'm just being a crazy dad- Yeah... or whatever." 312 00:54:08.496 --> 00:54:15.076 And you're like- Yeah... "No." Because we just got that- He's there. Yeah. [laughs] We're like, "No, Jake's in there. Just follow your gut." 313 00:54:15.476 --> 00:54:24.916 And we just, 'cause we had also just gotten that scene of, of where, um, George is, or Francis, whatever you wanna call him, right? Like, him finally 314 00:54:26.156 --> 00:54:32.696 just kind of, like, turning on him and being like, I think he had just said, like, "Oh, you're gonna have to be punished for this," right? Yeah. Mm-hmm. And you're like, "Fuck." Well, yeah. You know? 315 00:54:32.736 --> 00:54:39.716 [laughs] You're like, "Oh, God, no." Yeah. Um, so, so you know he's, like, at this point actually is in danger. 316 00:54:40.616 --> 00:54:46.756 Uh, and, and Tom's right there, and so you're like, "Oh, God," like, "Don't let," you know, "Don't let this happen." Yeah. Ah. 317 00:54:46.856 --> 00:55:01.880 Um, and then you finally hear him, like, screaming or whatever, and he, you know, the, they get into a kerfuffle. Um- But yeah, that, that was all pretty fucked up. [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. And, like, in the book, 318 00:55:02.860 --> 00:55:15.760 it's him who goes, and he- Uh-huh... gets stabbed. Yeah. And obviously in the movie we have her going, uh... What? Amanda. Amanda, yeah. Yeah. Why is that such a forgettable name? 319 00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:27.260 Amanda Be- Not to all of the Amandas- Yeah. [laughs]... but, like, in this context. Sorry, Amandas. Not two Amandas.

Um... [laughs] But yeah, then she's the one who... I don't know. 320 00:55:27.420 --> 00:55:40.240 I feel like it didn't have to be her who came in and saved the day like that. Like- Yes. And, and I guess she kinda didn't. [laughs] Yeah, you're right. She kinda didn't. 321 00:55:40.240 --> 00:55:50.340 [laughs] She kinda fucked it- Because she goes in- You're right. [laughs] Yeah, she kinda fucked it up, 'cause she goes in and she finds him, but she, she gets... She... Oh my God, and she had the upper hand. 322 00:55:50.520 --> 00:56:00.500 That's like- Yeah... this is what makes me mad about, like, so many different scary movies, is when they have... You have the upper hand over the evil person or the scary person or whatever, and you do nothing with it. 323 00:56:00.500 --> 00:56:08.160 'Cause all she did- Yes... was cut this guy's leg and then let him run off after this kid. Yeah. Yeah. You know? [laughs] Like- Yeah... it's like, what did you do? Why did you do that? 324 00:56:08.200 --> 00:56:17.540 Like the second he falls, you just- And she's just, like, sliding herself out. You know? Just like static. Yeah. Like, hey. Like, do something. He... Like, it was the slowest you could possibly move. Yeah. 325 00:56:17.600 --> 00:56:28.040 And now he's in a car taking him to another location, which you know- Yeah... is, like, the thing you don't let happen. [laughs] Yeah. Oh, stupid. Yeah, season fries, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 326 00:56:28.060 --> 00:56:34.600 And that, that whole, like, ending scene in the movie where it's like they're back in the house, and it's like, why are we back in this house now? 327 00:56:34.740 --> 00:56:49.400 And then everybody is there, and they're all finding him, but he's somehow beating them all off to go get the kid still. Like, I just don't, I don't understand. Like- Yeah... you guys... It's, what? [laughs] Yeah. 328 00:56:50.440 --> 00:56:58.240 It's like two against one- Yeah, and I think-... at this point, and you're in your house- Yeah... and you're still gonna let him somehow almost- Yeah... steal your kid again? And I think- Yeah... 329 00:56:58.420 --> 00:57:06.499 one of us, someone said one of... Someone said it while we were watching it. They were like, "That guy is not that strong." Yeah. Like, there's no way that guy's that strong. Like, he's taking on- He's, like, so thin... 330 00:57:06.520 --> 00:57:19.360 not everyone. Yeah. And he's been stabbed. And he's been stabbed. Yeah. Not only is he thin and gangly, and, like, sickly looking, but he's been stabbed. Yeah. Yeah. It's... Yeah. I, I don't know. No. I don't know. Well. 331 00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:27.560 Yeah. [laughs] Yeah. Um, and again, like I, like I had said earlier, it's just kind of like there's all of this fight, and he's... 332 00:57:27.860 --> 00:57:37.400 Now he's stabbing Robert De Niro, and, and we're still running up and doing whatever, and then we just... He just falls through the ceiling. [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. Now it's done. Now it's over. Yeah. 333 00:57:37.400 --> 00:57:49.240 Now- Like, it's just so- Because he fell through the ceiling. Exactly. Yeah. It's, like, so, like, not, not, um, earned, you know? Yeah. Yeah. You're right about that. I think I had forgotten some of that. 334 00:57:49.360 --> 00:57:56.160 I tried to block it out because I was like, this is fucking stupid. Like- It was a really stupid, yeah... why is he falling through... 335 00:57:56.680 --> 00:58:04.700 And we, we had too many scenes of Jake running up the stairs, and hiding, and running down the stairs, and running away and hiding. 336 00:58:04.860 --> 00:58:13.980 And, like you said, it was just like we were at this location, and then we, you went to the house. For some reason we had to have the climax at the house. And- Yeah Yeah... he ran up. I don't know. 337 00:58:14.220 --> 00:58:23.380 It was, it was too clunky in a different way than- Yeah... the book was clunky. And- Yes... yeah. 338 00:58:23.620 --> 00:58:30.480 It, it- And I, I wanna say, too, I don't mean that, like, it was a bad book, because I really liked it, and there was just a lot of moving pieces. Yeah. 339 00:58:30.520 --> 00:58:39.860 And maybe it's just because I was listening only and not reading that some of it was like, oh, like, I don't know that I should've... Or, like, I maybe should've picked up on that sooner type of thing. Yeah. 340 00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:55.040 But, like, um, yeah. This movie sucked. It did. [laughs] Yeah, I'm, like, so convinced that someone somewhere had an accident in their attic where they fell through the floor, and they just wanted to put that in a movie. 341 00:58:55.660 --> 00:59:04.780 You know what I mean? [laughs] Yeah. Like, that's what it feels like. [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. [laughs] Like, and the thing is, it's like, it... With good writing, it's not gonna feel like that. You know what I mean? 342 00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:08.220 Yeah, yeah. Like, it's not gonna feel forced. It, it feels like you just forced this weird... 343 00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:18.780 And I, I kept jokingly saying as we were watching the movie, I kept calling it Chekhov's rotted floor, 'cause I was like- [laughs]... someone's gonna fall through that. [laughs] Yeah. But, um, but yeah, it just... 344 00:59:18.920 --> 00:59:29.220 Like, and then, like, from the beginning of the movie, I was like, someone's gonna fall through that. That's how they're gonna resolve it. Yeah. And it doesn't feel earned, it feels cheap. Yeah. You know what I mean? 345 00:59:29.220 --> 00:59:39.820 'Cause it's like- Mm-hmm... it just- Agreed. Yeah. And to have everybody converging at once, like, you didn't have the scene of Pete babysitting. Yeah. Yeah. 346 00:59:39.820 --> 00:59:49.320 So you don't get to have Pete getting killed in this instance- Yes... because he was there- Yeah... when it happened. Like, we don't- [laughs]... then later still get him come and get stabbed, too. Like, it was- Yeah. 347 00:59:49.340 --> 00:59:58.040 Yeah. That's,

that's so lame. But also, like, it also... That, to me, I'm like, yeah, that makes sense in terms of, like, as... 348 00:59:58.340 --> 01:00:05.140 Not just a babysitter, but, you know, as a grandfather and grandchild, they don't have much of a relationship at this point. But it's like, he still fe- has feelings towards Jake, and he still- Mm-hmm... 349 01:00:05.140 --> 01:00:12.940 you know, obviously there's love and care there for him. So to have him lay down his life in protecting him, you know- Yes... 350 01:00:12.940 --> 01:00:22.020 and trying to protect him, and trying to keep him safe, I feel like is much more impactful than him just running in and getting stabbed once- Yes... he's already been kidnapped. You know what I mean? Like... 351 01:00:22.020 --> 01:00:30.820 [laughs] Yes. Yeah, you're right. He, like, has had no time to, like, develop that relationship with Jake at all- Yes... versus in the book, like, there was that relationship. Like, they, they- Yeah. Yeah. 352 01:00:30.840 --> 01:00:40.480 And he liked him. He was like- Yes... "Oh my God, this kid's so cute." [laughs] Yeah. And then Jake liked him. Yeah. Yes. Like, that was, like, that was... He, like Tom says, like, you know, like, Jake likes you. 353 01:00:40.540 --> 01:00:46.680 Like, he, like- Yeah... obviously has taken a liking to him, so it's just like, I hate that you don't get any of that. [laughs] Yeah. That's, that sucked. 354 01:00:46.780 --> 01:00:53.820 And it was, and it was really, really cute that, like, him, like, greeting him and being so formal, and that, like, Pete loved it so much. Yeah. [laughs] He thought it was so cute. 355 01:00:54.180 --> 01:00:59.000 Which it is, it is cute when kids are, like, really formal or, like- Yes. [laughs]... they, like, act super cute. Like that with you. 356 01:00:59.080 --> 01:01:09.600 Um, but, but yeah, I totally hadn't even really thought about that either, but you're absolutely right. Like, the... It doesn't really make sense, 'cause, like, they don't really have a relationship at all- Mm-mm... 357 01:01:09.660 --> 01:01:18.220 in this movie, and it's just kinda like he just kinda goes in and just dies. [laughs] He just- Yeah. [laughs] Yeah, exactly. And then you don't get that- Oh my God, it's so stupid... 358 01:01:18.300 --> 01:01:28.572 absolutely beautiful and heartbreaking moment where- Pete does pass. You know, you kind of get that little- Yeah... glimpse right before he passes where- Yeah... he, Tom comes in and basically kind of, you know, 359 01:01:29.752 --> 01:01:36.672 they sort of make up or they kind of- Yeah... I don't know. Like, you know, you know, in their own way- Mm-hmm... they kind of come to terms and, you know, are like, okay, like we're gonna... You know? 360 01:01:37.272 --> 01:01:47.152 Like, it's, it's clear that they're- They're okay now... yeah. It's clear that it... Oops, my freaking alarm. Um, it's clear that at this point, like they're, they, they want to make an effort. Like- Yes... 361 01:01:47.172 --> 01:01:56.292 you know, from the beginning- Mm-hmm... you can tell that Pete would, is willing to and wants to, but it very much is Tom kind of, um, you know, because of the trauma and everything, not wanting to- Yeah... 362 01:01:56.292 --> 01:02:03.712 which is, uh, absolutely valid. But then it's like, okay, he's willing to, to open up and like- Yeah... give him that opportunity. And you see- Yeah... 363 01:02:03.852 --> 01:02:08.672 again, like we've already said, that Pete isn't taking that lightly, and he's gonna do the most he can with it. Mm-hmm. 364 01:02:08.732 --> 01:02:17.372 And, and then, yeah, then it's just, it is just, uh, like really tragic that like they don't actually have that opportunity to make something- Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. 365 01:02:17.392 --> 01:02:27.312 And not only that, but like in the book, he is a friend of Amanda's to start with. Yeah. Because they work- Yeah... together or worked- Yeah... together. 366 01:02:27.772 --> 01:02:41.312 So it's like she cares more about him b- than Pete does in the story in the beginning, and so there's actually a meaningful relationship there instead of one that's just- Yeah... 367 01:02:41.332 --> 01:02:46.472 like handed to us, and then we have to like do what Netflix wants about it. I don't know. It was- [laughs] Yeah. 368 01:02:46.592 --> 01:02:56.372 [laughs] Just like that was part of him getting injured, was like Amanda caring about that and being- Yeah... there for him. And like, I don't know. And he's so nervous. Yeah, she's so scared for him. Yeah. Mm-hmm. 369 01:02:57.152 --> 01:03:12.712 Um, um, and then, and then in the, in the book with, you know, when, when Tom does go there to find him, um, sort of, sort of similar to, to the movie where, uh, 370 01:03:14.012 --> 01:03:19.412 Tom goes in and he ends up getting stabbed, where, you know, in the movie Amanda goes in and she ends up getting stabbed. 371 01:03:19.792 --> 01:03:29.492 But Tom goes in, he get, he gets stabbed, but he's like holding this guy down even though he's being stabbed. And then- Yeah... once they like, once the cops get there, 372 01:03:30.452 --> 01:03:37.492 he's like passed out on top of him [laughs] and, and, and Karen's there holding him down too. She's like, "Come on." [laughs] Like, "Come help me." 373 01:03:37.852 --> 01:03:44.372 And it is just again, like, like him being captured in that way versus like, "Oh, no, I fell through the floor," just- Yeah... 374 01:03:44.392 --> 01:03:50.852 again, feels like so much more earned, and it's like all of these people really working together, and they had to put the pieces- Mm-hmm... together, and they, and they had to- Mm-hmm... 375 01:03:50.872 --> 01:04:02.952 you know, call the police and whatever and, and, um, like get help. It just, again, I don't know. It just feels... It just makes more sense, and it's not kinda like, oh- Yeah... here we go, you know? 376 01:04:02.972 --> 01:04:14.952 [laughs] It all just kinda

happened. Yeah. Like you saying it that way, it's like it was just this like cute little ragtag team. Like, she's like, "I did my research 'cause I'm a reporter, so I got my sneaky- Yeah... 377 01:04:14.972 --> 01:04:30.932 ways of getting information," and like they all like did it together to, to get him down. And you're right, we don't get any of that. Yeah. The movie was very silly. Yeah, this movie was really disappointing. 378 01:04:31.232 --> 01:04:41.452 [laughs] Yeah. Yeah, I think that we- Like-... kind of mentioned it off, like before we started recording, but like we've had so many good ones recently, like good books and movies. Yeah. 379 01:04:41.612 --> 01:04:53.472 Um, even if, even if like with Jurassic Park, right, even if like with Jurassic Park where it's not necessarily one to one, they're not the same, and the book was a lot better than the movie, the movie's still absolutely amazing. 380 01:04:53.492 --> 01:05:03.512 But yeah. [laughs] Yeah. Yeah, this movie- We recognize when the movie-... is amazing... has the merits that's like it has completely earned, even if it diverges from the book. And this one is just- Yeah... garbage. 381 01:05:04.032 --> 01:05:13.132 Nah, this is bad. It diverges. It is, it diverges, and it doesn't add anything good to it. It doesn't add anything. It's just kind of, it's just... So if you've seen this on Netflix- That sucks... 382 01:05:13.192 --> 01:05:20.492 and you're like, "Hey, I think I might wanna watch that movie," you don't. You don't need to watch it. You don't need to. Just read the book. You don't got to. 383 01:05:20.552 --> 01:05:27.932 No, just honestly read the audio book- Or listen to the audio book if you don't like to read... the book is so much better. Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's, it's narrated by, it's read by Christopher Eccleston. 384 01:05:27.952 --> 01:05:42.732 [laughs] Yeah, exactly. So- As we've said... it's worth it. And, um- It genuinely-... it goes by pretty quickly. It does. It's horrifying but good. Yeah. Um, do we wanna get into the end end? The end end? Yeah. 385 01:05:42.752 --> 01:05:55.012 The end end. 'Cause we have- I-... am getting... I have the question. Oh, yeah, I was gonna ask you about that. Yeah. Let's see. How is it worded? Okay. How did you feel about the book's final chapter? 386 01:05:55.552 --> 01:06:06.872 Did you find the book's ending satisfying, and did you feel that justice was served? So the final chapter- Well-... is that scene of, of, you know. You know. Yeah. The end. Yeah, yeah, that scene. You know. 387 01:06:06.872 --> 01:06:16.492 [laughs] Which the scene in the movie is weirdly disturbing. So weird. So weird. So weird. Like, why? Why? It, it makes it weirder than it is. It makes it way weirder. Yeah. 388 01:06:16.512 --> 01:06:26.512 And that's already a weird thing that's happening, but it makes it- It's already a, such a strange-... weirder... yeah, it's already such a fucked, strange relationship that you- Yeah... just added this skin and element. 389 01:06:26.532 --> 01:06:38.872 You just made it creepy, and it just makes it weird. Yeah. [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. 'Cause we- Yeah. I, I think something that we haven't touched on is this, like, relationship between Frank and Francis Carter- Yes... 390 01:06:39.052 --> 01:06:51.892 where, um, 'cause again, obviously we're touching on all these, like, father-son relationships. Francis is Frank's son, and he is the copycat killer. Um, and I think 391 01:06:53.412 --> 01:07:04.692 it, you know, it, it is kind of one of those things where it's... I think one of the questions in here is talking about, like, trauma as, as a child, and then how, you know, does... 392 01:07:04.892 --> 01:07:10.632 Is it inherent that we end up like our fathers, right? Mm-hmm. Which like obvi- Mm-hmm... or, or caregivers or whoever, you know. 393 01:07:11.432 --> 01:07:23.272 And obviously no, you know, and, and we even kind of see that with like, um, with Tom being so different from the role model that he had. Yeah. Um, but we have that whole 394 01:07:24.592 --> 01:07:35.292 It is implied throughout that the reason that Frank did this was because he hated his son and he wanted to kill his son- Right. Mm-hmm... but he couldn't. Right? It's implied that he only ever, didn't ever kill 395 01:07:36.312 --> 01:07:45.692 him because it was too close, and it would be more likely for him to be found out. Yeah. Yeah. And that, um, and that was part of the reason why he was covering these kids' faces, right? 396 01:07:45.752 --> 01:07:58.852 So that he could imagine that it was his son, which is all incredibly fucked up. Yeah. Um- Yeah... but now we have Francis being the copycat killer, and I don't know. I, I, 397 01:07:59.872 --> 01:08:05.772 I don't think I liked the ending, and in the book either because it, it... I don't know. 398 01:08:05.912 --> 01:08:15.772 I, u- ultimately, like, obviously Francis is a bad guy, and you don't have to follow in your parents' footsteps, especially not if they're serial killers. Um- [laughs]... but 399 01:08:17.792 --> 01:08:31.252 it just made me feel bad for him [laughs], you know? Yeah. Yes, 100%. Yeah. I was... Yeah, the, oh, ugh, I hate the way it ends. I- Yes... ugh. Yeah. And like, again, in a good way, you know, 'cause I feel like- Yeah... 400 01:08:32.812 --> 01:08:40.552 it is sort of satisfying that obviously Francis gets, uh, arrested and gets put away, 'cause obviously- Yeah, and he, he, yeah... he's a child killer. You need, he needs to be put away. Yeah. 401 01:08:40.572 --> 01:08:53.892 But yeah, to know that he was put into the same prison as his dad- Father, yeah... and then, yeah, that hi- he... And the fact that it just ends, it doesn't end with him actually getting beaten or strangled or anything. 402 01:08:53.952 --> 01:08:59.112 It ends with him just putting the T-shirt on over his head. The shirt over his head, yeah. Yeah. The way, yeah, the way the other victims had it. Yeah. So it's like 403

01:09:00.052 --> 01:09:04.312 it, so yeah, it's implied that obviously he's gonna come in and kill him. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Uh, it- 404 01:09:06.072 --> 01:09:18.992 And, and I think it was, like, really, I think part of the reason why it was sad to me was because he is talking about, like, he literally says, "I'm a grown man," Francis thought now, "and I am not afraid." 405 01:09:19.472 --> 01:09:28.072 And then as soon as he walks in, he- think he says, like, "And he was a child again, and he was terrified." And it's just like- Yeah... what the hell? Like, he was- Yes... 406 01:09:28.092 --> 01:09:37.612 just a little boy when all this stuff was- Yeah... happening, you know? And- Yeah... and again, like, he grew up and he ended up being a terrible person, but it's just, like, you [laughs] it's, I don't know. 407 01:09:37.712 --> 01:09:47.492 I, you, you can't help but feel bad for him because he was- Yeah... like, I'm sure, ab- terribly abused as a child, and- Mm-hmm... he didn't deserve that either. And, and, you know, a- Yeah... 408 01:09:47.512 --> 01:09:56.172 and maybe had he had, like, better ways to cope, maybe he wouldn't have turned out to be- Mm-hmm... like his dad, you know? I don't know. Right. But, um, but he didn't deserve that ending. 409 01:09:56.172 --> 01:10:07.172 Especially to go in the same way, like in- Yeah... in that way, where it was also, like, a lot of what he said was so much of the internalized stuff from, like, what his dad said about, like- Yeah... 410 01:10:07.332 --> 01:10:20.652 no one loving little boys, and like- Yeah... that kind of thing. So it's sort of like he already is, like, coming at it at a different perspective than the dad is. So it's like, it, he doesn't... You're right. 411 01:10:20.732 --> 01:10:22.452 He doesn't deserve it. It is fucked. 412 01:10:22.472 --> 01:10:35.632 Like, you want there still to be justice, and when we talked about, like, how there are certain things that, like, child killers or child rapists, how they're treated in jail because people are like, "Well, that's still..." 413 01:10:35.712 --> 01:10:41.772 Like, even people who commit crimes are like, "That's wrong." So, like, I like that there was some level of, like, 414 01:10:43.292 --> 01:10:56.052 justice in that sense, where they're like, "You've done something terrible, so you are going to experience it now" kind of. But- Mm-hmm... like, you're right that, like, he really didn't deserve it and, 415 01:10:57.532 --> 01:11:08.172 like, what had happened to him through his life. So it, it is, it is pretty fucked up. Yeah. Yeah. 'Cause, like, even... Sorry, I, I was gonna say, even if it was like- Ah, no... 416 01:11:08.332 --> 01:11:17.852 this happened to both him and Frank, or, like, he somehow turned into... Oh, no. She's... What happened? Yeah. I, I'm back, though. I can, I can... I know you guys froze for a little bit. 417 01:11:18.052 --> 01:11:26.872 I'm gonna Rick Flag it right here. But, um, you guys froze for a little

bit, but you guys are back. Am I back? Yeah, you're back. You're good. You like, uh, you're good. Okay. Cool beans. [laughs] Okay, cool beans. 418 01:11:26.912 --> 01:11:34.492 [laughs] Yeah. I, it, the, like, the video froze, but I could still s- hear you guys talking. Oh, no. Oh. Okay. But yeah, yeah, [laughs] sorry, we're good. No, you're good. 419 01:11:34.572 --> 01:11:48.072 That was just funny 'cause I feel like nothing had really happened, then I just heard you go, "Oh, no!" Yeah. [laughs] Yeah. My bad. [laughs] Um- What were, what were we saying? [laughs] Yes. 420 01:11:48.232 --> 01:11:51.852 No, I was just saying, like, if it, it, it was like 421 01:11:53.912 --> 01:12:06.832 if somehow this had happened to both him and Frank, or it was, like, even just, like, Francis doing, like, somehow being able to get the upper hand on Frank and he did something to Frank, I feel like that would've been more satisfying to me- Yes... 422 01:12:07.212 --> 01:12:16.612 than- Mm-hmm... Frank doing it to Francis. You know what I mean? Because he started- Yeah... as the abused and he ended- Yeah, yeah... as the abused, you know? And it's just kind of like- Yeah... it's just sad. 423 01:12:16.732 --> 01:12:28.292 It's just, like, that's fucked up. Yeah. And Frank Carter hasn't- No, yeah... learned or grown at all because- No, no... if he's still now- Exactly. And he gets what he wanted. Yeah. You're right. Yes. Yeah. 424 01:12:28.372 --> 01:12:37.452 I wa- I was gonna say, um, I think the, I think I would've been more satisfied had it been the other way around and, and Francis- Yes... had been able to [laughs] kill his dad. Yeah. Yeah. 425 01:12:37.572 --> 01:12:43.112 'Cause I was like, yeah- That would've been kind of cool... like- If it had been that way... I'd be like, you know what? Fuck that. [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 'Cause yeah, I don't think... 426 01:12:43.252 --> 01:12:58.672 I think obviously, yeah, Francis isn't a good person. He killed Neil. I just feel that he is less deserving of, like, that sort of punishment than Frank would be, 'cause Frank- Yeah... killed way more people, and- Yeah. 427 01:12:58.672 --> 01:13:07.992 Mm-hmm... way more children, kids, boys. Yeah. And obviously, yeah, and there's no way he was kind or nice to, you know? [laughs] Like, or was a good parent to Francis. Yeah. Yeah. 428 01:13:08.092 --> 01:13:18.512 If he's out there killing boys 'cause he wants to kill him, you know what I mean? Yeah. Exactly. Oh, oh, what I was gonna bring up, too, was the, um, so Francis was the accomplice. Like, 429 01:13:20.092 --> 01:13:29.728 like, he was being forced- Back then?... to then... Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, sorry. Back when, when, for his dad. He, 'cause they talked about how they weren't, they-... 430 01:13:29.768 --> 01:13:35.268 thought the Whisper Man had found a accomplice They thought he had an accomplice, uh-huh. And- Right... it turns out it was Francis. So it's like, 431 01:13:36.408 --> 01:13:42.488 you know, like, he was being, not only was he also being- Like, probably manipulated to lure these boys in. Yes. Yes. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. He was then being... 432 01:13:42.868 --> 01:13:53.368 Yeah, so can you imagine, like, how fucked up your brain must be if you're luring little boys over to your dad, who then k- like, I'm assuming he's also watching him kill these kids- Yeah... 433 01:13:53.508 --> 01:14:01.768 knowing that that's what he wants to do to you. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, there's no- Yeah... Francis had, like, no chance. Like, that guy- Yeah... was gonna be fucked up. Poor kid, yeah. 434 01:14:01.788 --> 01:14:06.208 So it's like, I know, and it's horrible, and I feel like that's why it's so heartbreaking- Yeah... 435 01:14:06.888 --> 01:14:12.908 and why I think it would be, would've been more satisfying had it just been the other way around and Francis was able to kill Frank. It should've been that way, you're right. Yeah. 436 01:14:12.928 --> 01:14:25.468 And especially because, like, it, not that kidnapping kids is good at all, it's not, but, like, his goal wasn't to hurt them. He was like, "I'm gonna take kids-" Yeah. Yeah... 437 01:14:25.928 --> 01:14:28.668 "who are having a, who are invisible in their homes." 438 01:14:28.748 --> 01:14:38.248 And, like, he said that, like, it had gone wrong with Neil, and, like, obviously he's got a lot of, like, problems where he still wasn't, like, doing the right thing, but, like- Mm-hmm... 439 01:14:38.268 --> 01:14:48.188 his intention hadn't been to hurt them. It had been to do things differently than his dad did. Yeah, at least not initially. Yeah. Initially. Not initially. Yeah. Again, we're not- Well, yeah... saying Fr- [laughs] 440 01:14:48.208 --> 01:14:55.148 Yeah... he's a good guy. Yeah, that he did have his own- Frank just shouldn't have gotten what he wanted. No, yes. Yes. Yeah, exactly. 441 01:14:55.148 --> 01:15:04.908 I think ul- ultimately I think that's why I don't like it, is because it's like he killed all these kids because he wanted to kill his son, and in the end he just got to kill his son anyway. And- Yeah... 442 01:15:04.948 --> 01:15:17.248 in the movie, [laughs] we were laughing at, at it because when, um, when they're trying to, when, like, the cops are talking to Frank, um, to Frank Carter, 443 01:15:18.248 --> 01:15:24.228 he basically says, like, "Give me my son and I'll tell you, like, what's going on," or whatever the hell. Mm-hmm, yeah. 444 01:15:24.248 --> 01:15:35.248 And it just, like, in, in the book we kind of have a similar thing where he's like, "I want, I want my son. I want my son and my wife," or whatever the hell he calls them. Um, and, um, 445 01:15:36.148 --> 01:15:43.848 and you get Pete Willis being like, "Fuck no," you know? Like, "I'm not getting these people- Yeah. [laughs]... anywhere near you." But it's just kind of funny 'cause in the movie it felt so different. 446 01:15:43.908 --> 01:15:52.268 He's like, "Give me my son and

I'll tell you," or whatever, and he's like, "Okay." [laughs] You know? Yeah. [laughs] He's like, he's like, "Give me my son. I'm gonna kill him." 447 01:15:52.288 --> 01:16:03.028 And he's like, "All right, I'll, I'll give you your son- Yeah... so you can kill him." You know, like, that's just how it felt in the movie. Yeah. It's like, what? Yeah. Like, what's happening? Yeah. It's bananas. Yeah. 448 01:16:03.048 --> 01:16:13.428 Yeah. This movie had a lot of things wrong with it. It did. It was not good. Not good. I was excited to do this, this one because I had heard really bad things [laughs] about the movie. It was so bad, yeah. 449 01:16:14.208 --> 01:16:26.828 And I hadn't heard anything about it, so I c- I think I went in- I hadn't either... hoping it would be good, but it really wasn't. Yeah, same. I was like, I had high hopes, and I, it was an enjoyable book, 450 01:16:27.848 --> 01:16:40.828 w- a, as enjoyable as a book about this can be. [laughs] Yeah. [laughs] And yeah, I was just like, I knew from the top that it was gonna be bad, and it just- Oh, man... it was consistent. It was, it sucked- Yeah... 451 01:16:40.848 --> 01:16:49.288 through and through. Consistently bad, yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, it was pretty funny when we were watching 'cause I think Edgar at one point asked, like, "Oh," like, d- "How was, how did they do the cassette tapes?" 452 01:16:49.328 --> 01:16:57.168 Or, like, he was asking something about, like, the cassette tapes in the book, and we were like, "That didn't exist in the book." [laughs] We're like, "What?" Wasn't in there. Completely wasn't even- Yeah... 453 01:16:57.188 --> 01:17:07.668 in there at all. [laughs] That, and then, like, the detail about, like, cutting the nails. Mm-hmm, yeah. Like, those are fun little things that could've been cool if you had stuck to the story and then added those in. 454 01:17:07.708 --> 01:17:16.308 Yes. Like, sure. Yeah. But the fact that you just, like f- You just-... you just fucked up the whole story... made up a bunch of shit. [laughs] Yeah. Just changed it. Just whatever, yeah. 455 01:17:16.408 --> 01:17:23.308 Like, just call it something else. Make a different thing. Yeah. Yeah. It's just like when you change so many things and you, 456 01:17:24.528 --> 01:17:35.368 you add so many things, it's just like you make the story about what it's, not even about what it's about anymore. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. We don't have to leave this in, but, uh, Eric is writing a screenplay. 457 01:17:36.168 --> 01:17:42.268 Um- Exciting... and, uh, I know, right? [laughs] But he was started writing it, and he was, he, so he was asking me, he's like, "Hey." 458 01:17:42.368 --> 01:17:50.087 He's like, "You know, like, 'cause you guys do the podcast," he's like, "What are, like, the biggest issues you have with, like, movies and stories and stuff with that?" 459 01:17:50.168 --> 01:18:00.488 And I'm like, honestly, my, for us, I'm like, I feel like the biggest issue translating the book to screen is keeping the correct, like, motivations in there. Yeah. 460 01:18:00.728 --> 01:18:07.948 I'm like, 'cause sometimes I'm like you just, you, like, miss a couple things, you leave out a couple things. I'm like, but then it just changes, like, characters' motivations. 461 01:18:07.988 --> 01:18:22.888 It ca- changes, you know, uh, uh, the setup. Like, you know, like, obviously, like, with, uh, Pete. Mm-hmm. The whole babysitting thing. Like, obviously that is a completely, like, it's just a completely different story. 462 01:18:22.888 --> 01:18:30.368 It's a completely different picture that is being painted- Mm-hmm... of this character versus in the movie. You know what I mean? Yeah, totally. So I was just like that's kind of the biggest thing. 463 01:18:30.408 --> 01:18:40.388 I'm like, you just gotta have the right motivations and, like, have everything make sense and not just, you know, a rotted attic floor that someone will eventually fall through. Yes, exactly. Like... 464 01:18:40.428 --> 01:18:57.928 [laughs] And I feel like, yeah, on that note, the most important things are, like, these characters having qualities that you're not necessarily writing or speaking into the book or the screenplay, but it's just- Yeah... 465 01:18:57.968 --> 01:19:08.368 it lives behind everything, like you said. Yeah. Like, their motivations. Like, you have to know that your character feels a certain way about something. Even if you never say it, it's gonna drive- Yeah... 466 01:19:08.368 --> 01:19:23.148 how they carry themselves through stuff. Yes. So that's just the most important thing, and what is m- it's like the soul that's missing from movies. Yeah, mm-hmm. Tell him to add soul. Make sure the s- Soul... 467 01:19:23.188 --> 01:19:35.140 he keeps the soul. [laughs] Yeah, exactly. That's so exciting, though. I know. [laughs] I think he just, he wanted, um- He wanted a story... 468 01:19:36.380 --> 01:19:45.040 We were talking about, I don't, I don't, I don't know if you guys read comics [laughs] ever, but, um, we read, uh, we had talk- we were talking about Old Man Logan- Mm-hmm... 469 01:19:45.120 --> 01:19:54.580 which is just like a, it's what it sounds like. It's Wolverine in the future, and he's old, an old man. [laughs] Cute. [laughs] And, um, he was saying, he's like, "Oh, yeah." 470 01:19:54.640 --> 01:20:02.600 He's like, "I really wanted a, a story like that, but with, like, a different character, like a different, like a old man." [laughs] I forget what character he said he's doing. I think it might be Deadpool. 471 01:20:03.160 --> 01:20:11.860 But he was like, so it was like, he was like, "Yeah, I, like, wanted it, like I want it to exist." So I just thought, "Why don't I write it?" [laughs] And I was like, "Yeah, do it." I love that so much. So, I know. 472 01:20:11.920 --> 01:20:24.920 It's super fun. I haven't read it, and I don't know anything about it, and I'm letting him obviously get it all done before I ask, but I was

like- [laughs]... "Ooh, I wanna read that." [laughs] Yes, obviously whenever. 473 01:20:24.960 --> 01:20:30.740 He just texted me the other day... Oh, yeah. [clears throat] He just texted me the other day, and he just asked me, "What are 10-year-olds like?" 474 01:20:30.740 --> 01:20:41.560 [laughs] He didn't say it quite like that, but he was just kinda like, "How do I, how do I flesh out a 10-year-old?" And I was like, "Well- Yeah... I mean, just kinda depends, you know?" [laughs] Yeah. Yeah. 475 01:20:41.900 --> 01:20:51.060 Um- That's so cute... but I was kind of giving him, like, the, 'cause I work with kids, and I was kind of giving him, like, well, like, like think about little kids. Like, we have a, a little cousin. 476 01:20:51.100 --> 01:21:00.200 Like, think about kids like him, right? Like, he's so outgoing, and he's so, like, blah, blah, blah. Like, kind of in your face. Doesn't really, one, pick up on, or two, even if he does- [laughs]... 477 01:21:00.220 --> 01:21:08.820 doesn't care if you don't want him talking to you in that moment, you know? [laughs] Yeah. [laughs] And, but then we have kids, like I was, I was mentioning, um, Edgar's niece. 478 01:21:09.520 --> 01:21:18.640 Um, or I was like, when she was younger, like, she's, she's always been super quiet, not really in your face. She'd rather just kinda stick with her mom, right? So it's like- Mm-hmm... just kinda depends. 479 01:21:18.700 --> 01:21:24.080 Like, you just gotta kinda pick- Yeah... the personality that you want and then go from there. Mm-hmm. 480 01:21:24.100 --> 01:21:33.380 But it sounds like, I think, I think he sounds like he's gonna go with more of a our little cousin type, who's a little more in your face. Oh, yes. [laughs] Fun. That would, that would make sense. Yeah. 481 01:21:33.480 --> 01:21:46.620 [laughs] Well, in any way that we can promote him when he's ready for that or anything, we- Hell yeah... absolutely should do. That's really exciting, um- Totally, which I don't know if- How... 482 01:21:46.660 --> 01:22:00.480 I love this, this family's so creative and excite- [laughs] Like, I don't know. I love that. Yeah, it's cool. [laughs] I think, um- He's a cool kid. He is. No, he is. And- Your whole family's so cool... 483 01:22:00.500 --> 01:22:08.360 if you're not aware- I love all of you guys. Yeah. [laughs] No, Christina, Andreas, his family, they're rad as fuck. We already said that. Like, their brother... 484 01:22:08.960 --> 01:22:18.240 I don't know how much of this we're keeping because I don't know how much you want about his screenplay in here, but you guys are cool. We've talked about him doing the music for the podcast- That's true, yeah... 485 01:22:18.400 --> 01:22:26.460 already, so, like, it's just, it's fun. I'm excited that- Yeah. [laughs]... I get to be a part of this. We can keep that in. I feel like... [laughs] Okay. Yeah, I think so. 486 01:22:26.840 --> 01:22:39.720 I f- yeah, I was gonna say, I don't think he'll mind. [laughs] Okay, cool. But yeah, it, yeah, he's, he's the musician in the family. He made the, the intro, and yeah, we love him. Shout out Eric. Yay. Shout out Eric. 487 01:22:39.760 --> 01:22:53.020 And also shout out Henry, 'cause he also worked on the, on the intro. Hell yeah. Yeah. Thanks, Henry. You said Henry wants us to do Wildwood, right? Yes, yes. We sh- we still should I also really wanna do Wildwood. 488 01:22:53.040 --> 01:23:01.560 So we do have to do Wildwood. I would like to also. I'm down. We, we should- We've got, we've got a thing. It can be the next one. I, I've already, I've, I need to start reading another book. 489 01:23:01.580 --> 01:23:10.320 [laughs] Yeah, I was gonna say, I ne- I need to start reading that one, but yeah, I'm down to do that one next if you guys wanna skip to that one. Well, we gotta do- And then we can do Wildwood... Sunrise on the Reaping. 490 01:23:11.120 --> 01:23:18.780 That's right. That's coming up next. Oh, shit, that's right. 'Cause it comes out in, like, two or three weeks. Bananas. Okay, yeah. Okay. And then also there was one that came out, I forgot, came... So now that... 491 01:23:19.880 --> 01:23:30.520 There was that book, Victorian Psycho, that came out I think in September. Hmm, yeah. Might be available for streaming now, so I'm not rushing to do it, but I know I've heard really good things about that book. So- Cool. 492 01:23:31.040 --> 01:23:40.720 Ooh, okay. I did not realize it was a book. That's awesome. Do we... Yeah. Do we wanna- Have you seen it?... tease what's coming up? Oh, sorry. Yeah. Should we? So, um, we, we should. 493 01:23:40.800 --> 01:23:50.879 I was gonna actually ask you guys if it was cool, 'cause I was gonna maybe put a post with the next couple, so that way if someone's like, "Oh, I wanna know the next couple of books," so they could read if they want to. 494 01:23:51.520 --> 01:24:04.240 Oh, yeah. Um- We've got it ready. [laughs] But yeah, we have another couple things on the docket. Uh, we have Whale Fall. We have Other Mommy/Incidents Around the House, right? I think that's the name of the book. 495 01:24:04.260 --> 01:24:13.820 Mm-hmm, that's the book. Yeah. Yeah. And then, yeah, we do wanna do Wildwood, and then of course what we've been talking about since the beginning of the year, we're excited to get into Sunrise on the Reaping. 496 01:24:15.220 --> 01:24:25.500 I'm so scared. [laughs] I know. I'm so excited. You, I'm just so ready to have somebody to talk about this book with because I can only- Yeah... Google things- [laughs]... and see what people are saying on the internet. 497 01:24:25.680 --> 01:24:35.500 I have one of my friends, Carly, she's, like, finally reading, um, re- she, like, just reread all of the Hunger Games books. Nice. She's currently on S- a, a Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes. 498 01:24:36.100 --> 01:24:47.440 Um, so she will be getting into, um, Sunrise on the Reaping somewhat soon. Yay. So I'm just so excited to have people to talk

about that book with. Yay. So I've already finished- I'm excited... 499 01:24:47.460 --> 01:24:55.760 I've already finished Whale Fall. I watched the movie in 4DX, and if you guys haven't already, you guys gotta 'cause that was awesome. And I- There's- I'm sorry. [laughs] Uh-huh? Go for it. 500 01:24:55.760 --> 01:25:05.920 There's nowhere showing it in 4DX now. No, me too. Oh, I'm so sad. I know, and I was so sad that we didn't get to see it like that. We gotta go see, we gotta go see Wicker in 4DX. I think that would be [laughs] cool. 501 01:25:06.320 --> 01:25:14.800 I'm down. Yes, please. [laughs] I think just for the bit, like, I don't know. I think it's really funny. Genuinely. Yeah. Dude, yeah, this last... 502 01:25:14.920 --> 01:25:23.640 Whenever you were here, I was, like- So tempted to be like, "Let's just ditch everyone and go watch Wicker." [laughs] Just go watch Wicker. [laughs] Oh my God. Um- I wanted to see it after... 503 01:25:23.720 --> 01:25:38.760 Okay, we'll talk about this more next time because obviously you're gonna tell us all about it, but Darius went to go see Whale Fall in 4DX and sent Christina and I a picture of a setting on the seat that says water on, off. 504 01:25:38.760 --> 01:25:49.084 [laughs] And I'm just like That was what told me, you know what? I wanna go see that in 4DX. [laughs] This seems- Misleading... just, just for the bit. [laughs] Yeah. Just for the bit. 505 01:25:49.084 --> 01:26:02.784 [laughs] But no, we didn't get to, so... Dang. I will say- Although I think they're doing Wildwood in 4DX right now. Really? Cool. So if we get a chance, we should see that. Okay. Yes. Nice. 506 01:26:03.564 --> 01:26:11.384 Um, yeah, I, I will say I think the 4DX made it slightly distracting for me, because, like, even... 507 01:26:11.584 --> 01:26:19.764 Like, the first time you really get it, 'cause, like, you know, you get a little bit here and there, but the first time you, like, really feel it is when he's, like, first jumping into the water, not to get too into it- Uh-huh... 508 01:26:20.004 --> 01:26:28.324 but, like- Yeah... he's jumping into the water, and obviously, you know, you jump into the beach, and there's waves and stuff, so you're being tossed around on this thing. Oh, shit. 509 01:26:28.344 --> 01:26:37.224 [laughs] And I just, I just, like, kept laughing. I was- I just, like, couldn't... I wasn't even paying attention to the movie anymore 'cause I was just laughing. [laughs] You'll just need to actually- You're like-... 510 01:26:37.244 --> 01:26:51.504 like, stream it before. [laughs] Yeah. [laughs] Um, anyway, yeah, not to get too into these books, but yeah, we're doing Whale Fall, Incidents Around the House/Other Mommy, and then Sunrise? Sunrise on the Reaping. Yeah. 511 01:26:51.564 --> 01:26:56.784 Okay. Cool. Yeah, I'm excited. Yeah, I'll just- [laughs] I'm just waiting for you guys to get into it, but... 512 01:26:57.004 --> 01:27:02.424 [laughs] Yeah, on that, Jess asked me, like, what order he should do Hunger Games, 'cause he has been reading... 513 01:27:02.644 --> 01:27:10.364 He d- he's, like, looking for a book to read right now, so he's like, "What order should I listen or should I do them in?" 'Cause I, he hasn't read any of them. So- Oh... 514 01:27:10.444 --> 01:27:19.864 um, I think he's gonna start Hunger Games possibly soon, um- Nice... so we get ready for Sunrise on the Reaping, so. Cool, yeah. Yeah, I'm excited. 515 01:27:20.504 --> 01:27:27.884 Yeah, I think he should go in release order, and it seems like that- Yeah, that's what I told him... seems to be, like, the general consensus and, um- Yeah, I was like-... is really good... 516 01:27:27.924 --> 01:27:40.364 the impact of the story's gonna make more sense even though it's chronologically opposite. Like- Yeah, yeah... it'll, the impact will be different if you read the regular, the orig trige first. Yeah. Yeah. 517 01:27:40.384 --> 01:27:51.864 [laughs] Yes, yeah. You gotta start in the orig trige. Um, okay, but yeah, thanks for listening. Thank you. Um- And- So read the book, okay, guys? Don't- Yeah, read the book... don't watch The Whisper Man. 518 01:27:51.943 --> 01:28:01.504 Just read the book. Do us all a favor. Yeah. [laughs] Do Alex North a favor and read the book. Yeah, do Alex North- His story, his story's good... anybody, do Alex North a favor and read the book. [laughs] Yeah. 519 01:28:02.664 --> 01:28:11.424 All right. Well, yeah, thanks for listening. Do we wanna wrap up? And yeah. We see you in the next one. We'll, uh, chat with you next time. Bye. Bye. 520 01:28:11.944 --> 01:28:25.244 [outro music]