Full Transcript for Bitching About Dryness EVERYWHERE

I don't walk through any more spider webs. 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:31.840 Grabs this, takes the stick, scratches the back of his neck, and then I see a spider crawl up his neck. 00:02:31.840 --> 00:02:35.919 So then I flip out and I go smacking at him and tell him to take his clothes off on the trail. 00:02:35.919 --> 00:02:37.520 He gets mad and says no. 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:39.599 So then and I'm and he's like, let's turn back. 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:41.360 And I'm like, no, we're halfway to the top. 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:42.400 We're gonna keep going. 00:02:42.400 --> 00:02:44.719 So he keeps going, and I'm like, just go faster. 00:02:44.719 --> 00:02:45.919 Let's just go fast. 00:02:45.919 --> 00:02:47.759 So he goes faster. 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:51.599 He gets, I don't know, farther ahead of me, but I can still see him. 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:53.840 And then a snake crosses my path. 00:02:53.840 --> 00:02:59.280 So I scream, I start running, I trip over a rock, and I fall on my face. 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:01.280 Oh my god. 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:01.840 Yep. 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:06.800 And there's a real pretty picture of my bloody shin from it, too. 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:07.840 Oh my god. 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:09.680 Oh, I'm so sorry. 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:11.360 That is terrible. 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:12.719 That's my one thing. 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:14.960 It was not a cute snake, Frank, Frankie. 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:17.599 It was not a cute, it was not a cute snake. 00:03:17.599 --> 00:03:20.080 Not in the Caribbean. 00:03:20.080 --> 00:03:26.879 If it was like a main snake where I know our snakes here, sure, but a Cripean snake, a Crippian spider, I don't know what that's gonna do to me. 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:27.759 Oh my god. 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:29.680 I just realized I lost my light too. 00:03:29.680 --> 00:03:32.719 I'm gonna plug my light in because we can do that here. 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:41.039 So I am, by the way, who am I? 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:43.039 I am Marnie Penning. 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:46.960 I am in the DC area and we lost power this afternoon. 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:47.680 There we go. 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:48.560 One more light. 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:49.280 That's good. 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:52.159 Um, so I am at my friend Lindsay's house. 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:52.879 Yay, Lindsay. 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:53.680 Thank you, Lindsay. 00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:54.800 Lindsay, you're amazing. 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:56.800 Lindsay, who is often in the chat with us. 00:03:56.800 --> 00:04:00.240 I have rated her liquor cabinet, so I have some of her vodka. 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:01.680 Thank you for that, Lindsay. 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:06.719 And I also have a uh a summer berry uh seltzer, so it's vodka and seltzer. 00:04:06.879 --> 00:04:09.039 I was about to say, I'm like, that's a pretty nice pour of vodka. 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:09.520 Right? 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:10.080 I know. 00:04:10.400 --> 00:04:11.439 It's all vodka. 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:20.000 Um, I am 55 and I went through menopause uh at 48. 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:22.480 So I was 44 to 48 for Perry. 00:04:22.480 --> 00:04:27.360 Um I earned my white pants at 48 during the pandemic. 00:04:27.360 --> 00:04:38.800 And uh and and yeah, my fun fact, okay, if we're going for like body horror, uh I I I broke my foot on stage once. 00:04:38.800 --> 00:04:51.439 Ah yeah, I was playing The Fool in King Lear and I was jumping around Lear and I rolled on the side of my foot, and and I felt like something happened, and I was like, uh-oh. 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:58.639 And I sat right down, and you know, we're in the middle of the show, and there's a whole audience, and Lear looks at me like, what you doing? 00:04:58.639 --> 00:05:01.680 And I was like, looking up, like, I'm just sitting here. 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:03.040 So my gosh. 00:05:03.040 --> 00:05:14.800 And so we continue the scene, and I crawled off stage, and I'm like silent tears going because like I'm behind the stage, you can't do anything, and my foot is swelling up. 00:05:14.800 --> 00:05:23.920 And luckily, we had a second pair of like orange tennis shoes that were identical to the ones I was wearing on stage that were a couple sizes too big. 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:29.519 So I was able to put that on, and I crawled on and off stage for the rest of my seas. 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:32.720 So what are you gonna do? 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:38.399 Oh, your your body horror story is about how tough you are, you kept going. 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:42.240 Mine is because I'm a massive fucking weenie. 00:05:45.439 --> 00:05:47.920 Oh my gosh, too crazy. 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:51.600 But uh speaking of fun facts. 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:53.600 Fun facts. 00:05:53.600 --> 00:05:59.279 Uh Marnie, do we have someone else here with us today? 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:02.480 Uh, we do have someone else here with us today, Dom. 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:04.639 Funny that you should mention it. 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:11.600 Today we have our very first special guest, and her name is Kate Wells. 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:20.480 Kate Wells is a hormone expert and a true biochem nerd who has been educating practitioners about hormones for many years. 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:36.800 Starting out as a high school science teacher and then pivoting into the business world, Kate knew she wanted to combine her passions for science and business and found the perfect match in leadership roles at labs specializing in hormone testing and hormone formulation. 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:37.680 Fuck yeah. 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:50.879 Yeah, she currently runs her own bioidentical hormone product companies where she writes educational articles and continues to educate practitioners and people like us on the roles of hormones in optimal longevity. 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:58.319 Beyond nerding out on the latest research, Kate is an avid hiker, regularly putting in 20-mile

hikes in the beautiful wilds of Colorado. 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:06.480 I have to ask her where, because my sister lives there, loves to build stuff, is active in her community through rotary, loves to work with fabric to make colorful quilts. 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:18.079 Kate is the author of a forecast for health and is the CFO and co-founder of Parlor Games LLC, which is where I got my silky peach cream, which we have talked about on the podcast before. 00:07:18.079 --> 00:07:22.639 Kate holds a BS MBA and has completed a fellowship in herbal medicine. 00:07:22.639 --> 00:07:26.959 So welcome to Bitches in Heat, Kate Wells. 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:27.920 Yay! 00:07:32.319 --> 00:07:33.920 Thank you so much for having me. 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:36.720 I'm so excited to chat with you. 00:07:37.199 --> 00:07:39.680 We are so happy to have you here. 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:42.639 All right, so we have Kate. 00:07:42.639 --> 00:07:45.120 Okay, all right, hotties. 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:47.680 Kate. 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:58.480 Before we start going into dryness everywhere, we have a new segment that we are calling the hot seats. 00:07:58.480 --> 00:07:58.800 Yes. 00:07:58.800 --> 00:08:01.600 Because you know, hot flashes, we like to play on the word. 00:08:01.839 --> 00:08:08.399 Um so what's something you'd like us to know about you that isn't in the bio I just read? 00:08:08.959 --> 00:08:18.319 Uh well, continuing my nerdy theme, um, and kind of honoring the fact that you're a Shakespearean actor, uh, Marnie. 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:26.000 Um, I grew up in a town, Newcastle, in the northeast of England, uh, where we had a role Shakespeare season season every year. 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:36.559 So from a relatively early age, I got exposed to Shakespeare and nerdiness of nerdiness, um, immersing myself um at age 17. 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:43.279 I actually went and saw um King, you know, Henry the Sixth, part one, part two, and three all in one day. 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:44.000 I love it. 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:47.440 I'm gonna challenge anyone to meet that, be that for nerdiness. 00:08:47.679 --> 00:08:51.039 Oh my god, I love it, I love it, I love it. 00:08:51.039 --> 00:09:00.320 I was in an adaptation of parts uh Henry the Sixth, parts one, two, and three, but it wasn't all three full plays, it was an adaptation. 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:02.559 So you beat me, you beat me on that one. 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:05.679 That is so cool, Kate. 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:10.080 Now, the very important question What are you drinking? 00:09:10.639 --> 00:09:16.480 Um well, I I have come to know that tea shops are like the candy store for me. 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:18.720 Um, you know, kids go like candy, candy, candy. 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:20.159 I'm like tea shop, tea shop, tea shop. 00:09:20.159 --> 00:09:22.720 And uh, and it's not just my roots. 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:32.639 Um, no, there's so much uh tea um that it's sometimes I can't choose, so I have two mugs just because I can and I'm a grown-up. 00:09:32.639 --> 00:09:39.840 Um so so this one um is a green tea um with turmeric, ginger, and lemon. 00:09:39.840 --> 00:09:47.679 Um so it's really good for my immune system, and uh and it's got green tea, so it's got Lthanine, so I stay calm. 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:49.200 Oh, nice. 00:09:49.200 --> 00:09:50.559 That sounds delicious. 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:51.360 I love it. 00:09:51.759 --> 00:09:52.399 Oh nice. 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:58.720 Okay, so when did you first realize you were in perimenopause, Kate? 00:09:59.120 --> 00:10:02.159 You know, I I was unbelievably fortunate. 00:10:02.159 --> 00:10:14.480 Um I was working at a lab and we did hormone testing, and we had staff doctors who talked to all our customers who were doctors, and I paid attention and I was getting to the point where I couldn't sleep. 00:10:14.480 --> 00:10:20.799 I've never been a really good sleeper, but it, you know, hitting perimenopause sort of around mid-40s, it was just worse. 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:25.120 I was getting, you know, five, four, three night three hours sleep a night. 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:33.519 And you cannot be the COO of a company um that you're actively trying to grow when you've you're getting that much sleep, you know, as also parenting as well. 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:41.120 So I was listening to the staff doctors um talking about all of this and like oh the light comes, light bulb comes on, like, ooh, progesterone. 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:48.639 And so um I was learning that you know my body's no longer making as much progesterone as it used to. 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:50.559 So I started using progesterone. 00:10:50.559 --> 00:10:53.759 I'm like, oh my goodness, that solved the issues. 00:10:53.759 --> 00:11:03.360 Um so then you look at the other long list of issues that are related to um perimenopause, and so many of them are to do with low progesterone. 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:07.039 And so I I I hate to brag, but I'm going to. 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:09.440 I flew through menopause. 00:11:09.440 --> 00:11:12.240 Um, I think I had like sick hot flashes. 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:19.279 Once I nailed the sleep, um, I uh and being on progesterone, that that was it for me. 00:11:19.279 --> 00:11:27.279 I mean, I've always been healthy, you know, and I act I act, you know, I'm I'm active, I get out, um, and I've always watched my food. 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:31.919 Um, but I I'm it I just I'm here to shine a light. 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:34.720 It is possible to have an awesome menopause. 00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:35.600 Oh my gosh. 00:11:35.600 --> 00:11:36.799 I'm breathing. 00:11:37.039 --> 00:11:37.919 I'm so glad to hear that. 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:39.200 Amazing. 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:40.799 That is amazing to hear. 00:11:40.799 --> 00:11:49.600 So, in that same vein, I know with with your own research and and the people that you were working with, you had access and to a lot of

knowledge. 00:11:49.600 --> 00:12:00.320 Um when you were seeing your your specialist, whether at OBGYN or a menopause specialist, um was were they understanding? 00:12:00.320 --> 00:12:01.759 Were they did they listen well? 00:12:01.759 --> 00:12:03.919 What were those interactions like for you? 00:12:04.240 --> 00:12:08.159 Yeah, so my primary care um was like, oh no, you're not in perimenopause. 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:11.440 You know, you just want to smack them, honestly. 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:12.559 You just want to smack them. 00:12:12.559 --> 00:12:15.440 And we hear a lot of that from our customers. 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:20.639 Um so again, I'm surrounded by these great doctors, many of whom are NDs. 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:23.840 And so I went back to them like they don't understand me. 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:26.159 Um, and so I had a little pity party. 00:12:26.159 --> 00:12:35.759 Um and uh actually my boss, who was an antropathic doctor, um uh went ahead and prescribed the progesterone for me. 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:42.879 Um just because I couldn't get um an answer from you know the from my regular GP. 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:45.519 Oh my gosh. 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:47.200 When you were little, go ahead. 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:48.080 What were you gonna say? 00:12:48.080 --> 00:13:03.600 I'm gonna say you when you're too young, you know, women are so often told what to think um what is happening for them, or so and they're like, you know what, there's a big gap between what you're saying and reality, and I'm gonna believe myself um because you're not me. 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:12.799 Um but not everybody feels that strong and empowered um to be able to um just say, uh no, no, that's not right. 00:13:12.799 --> 00:13:18.639 Um, so I I was fortunate that I was able to advocate for myself in that situation. 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:19.360 Amazing. 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:23.519 Background as a scientist helped you like advocate for yourself better. 00:13:23.519 --> 00:13:28.639 Uh no, I've just always been uh like out there, my sister. 00:13:28.639 --> 00:13:31.039 I love it. 00:13:31.039 --> 00:13:34.879 My younger sister, she's like, it's fine, she'll take care of it. 00:13:34.879 --> 00:13:38.720 Yeah, to this day, it's like I'm glad you're my big sister. 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:40.879 Oh, that's she'll take care of it. 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:44.399 That's um it's like no, I've always wanted to find solutions to things. 00:13:44.399 --> 00:13:45.840 I'm very solution driven. 00:13:45.840 --> 00:13:49.039 If you give me a problem, like I will find the solution. 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:54.399 Um, and uh and that drive, um, you know, some people call that bloody-mindedness. 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:55.759 Um that's okay. 00:13:55.759 --> 00:13:57.440 Um, I own that. 00:13:57.440 --> 00:13:59.759 Uh bloody-mindedness. 00:13:59.759 --> 00:14:01.840 I will find solution, yes. 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:02.879 I love that. 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:03.759 I love that. 00:14:03.759 --> 00:14:12.559 Were you ever told in your early life, like when you were little, were you ever told what was gonna happen to you in like prior to menopause? 00:14:12.559 --> 00:14:12.879 No. 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:19.679 No, I my mom had a horrible time of it, but I only know that through the lens of the knowledge I have now looking back. 00:14:19.679 --> 00:14:25.759 Um you know, she just she just didn't share, she didn't, um it just wasn't it just wasn't talked about. 00:14:25.759 --> 00:14:27.840 I mean, this is Britain for God's sake. 00:14:28.320 --> 00:14:38.559 That's true, that's an extra layer of like not only like silent generation and boomer, like like, yeah, there's the extra layer of we're not gonna talk to it because we're British. 00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:39.440 Yeah. 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:40.399 Right. 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:44.399 So I I think I often think that I'm I'm kind of on the cusp, you know. 00:14:44.399 --> 00:14:51.120 I was I was born in 62, so I'm like at the tail end of the boomers, the beginning of the um what if Kim next generation? 00:14:51.120 --> 00:14:51.679 Gen X. 00:14:51.679 --> 00:14:52.320 Gen X. 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:58.159 Yeah, that's um, and so I'm kind of on the cusp in there in terms of like, oh no, not putting up with the shit. 00:14:58.159 --> 00:15:00.320 Um I want I want solutions. 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:12.159 So even though I uh didn't didn't grow up with any of that knowledge, combination of my work and my insistence on finding solutions, um, kind of got me into this place of of knowing. 00:15:12.159 --> 00:15:13.120 That's awesome. 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:14.879 I think I'm so fortunate for that. 00:15:14.960 --> 00:15:15.840 So amazing. 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:16.559 Fantastic. 00:15:16.559 --> 00:15:17.840 We're glad you did too. 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:19.039 Seriously. 00:15:19.039 --> 00:15:26.240 So, okay, so in retrospect, you were able to sort of pinpoint when your mother went through it. 00:15:26.240 --> 00:15:34.879 Did you um have any data from seeing anybody else go through it before you did, even if it was friends or anybody else? 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:36.000 No, not really. 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:40.320 And I think that's partly because I am this um sort of implant into the country, you know. 00:15:40.320 --> 00:15:52.559 We moved over here in '93, and so you make friends, uh, and most of my friends are you know, were were um parents of uh children that my children played with. 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:54.000 So we were we're parenting together. 00:15:54.000 --> 00:16:00.799 And so I I often I was often one of the older ones, and so I was kind of on the lead, bleeding, leading edge of that. 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:13.519 I didn't really have that many older friends because because of that whole transplant thing, didn't have family here, so um, so yeah, uh so I didn't. 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:20.799 It was it really came from the kind of the

knowledge that came from my professional life, so yeah, that's cool that you say that too, because I was in the same boat. 00:16:20.960 --> 00:16:24.000 I was I didn't have my kid till I was 41. 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:33.679 And so at day uh, you know, daycare or preschool, I'm 10 years older than everybody else, and so if everybody's like, Oh, I'm 34, I'm so old. 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:37.440 I'm like, let me tell you something. 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:47.440 And so this whole thing of, and I also have three younger sisters, so I didn't know anybody going through it when I went through it, and it was always like, why isn't anybody talking about this? 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:54.320 That same kind of um uh like solution-driven thing that you have going on. 00:16:54.320 --> 00:17:06.319 I wanted to tell the world about what was happening, like big sister of the world, like your your big sister is big sister and you, but like like you're the one who is like, No, I'm gonna make sure everybody knows. 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:09.200 And that's how you founded parlor games, right? 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:10.640 Like, yeah, yeah. 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:14.160 Yeah, that was my um uh my brush friend Kirstie. 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:19.519 Um, you know, obviously, you know, we'd known each other since our girls were three, they are now 32. 00:17:19.519 --> 00:17:23.680 And um, she came to me and said, You you know about hormones. 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:27.039 Um, you know, I'm having an issue with vaginal dryness. 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:28.319 Sex is starting to hurt. 00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:29.200 What's going on? 00:17:29.200 --> 00:17:33.920 So I was able to explain that you know, her estrogen level was dropping. 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:40.880 Estrogen is critical for that uh tissue to have it, you know, moist and healthy and strong and supple. 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:46.480 And uh was able to, you know, say, you know, use an estrool queen. 00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:51.200 And um within like two weeks, she's calling me back, like we just had sex. 00:18:10.079 --> 00:18:11.599 Thank you for leading the way. 00:18:14.000 --> 00:18:22.559 So, so as friends do, you're sitting yakking, and you know, she's an entrepreneur, and I'm you know, long career in business, and we're like, there's a market here. 00:18:22.559 --> 00:18:27.759 Women don't know that this is you are the living experience of so many women. 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:38.160 And it's like we have, you know, we could do this, we could bring this to the world, we could educate women, we could show them this information, we can we can make a product that really works. 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:40.640 And uh, I mean, that's the start of it. 00:18:40.640 --> 00:18:50.720 And oh my god, what a wild ride! Um, you know, six years ago when we were starting this, um, no one was talking about vaginal health. 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:54.640 No one, it was all like dryness, uh, I mean, silence around dryness. 00:18:54.640 --> 00:19:00.160 It was just like um and and we've cracked that. 00:19:00.160 --> 00:19:05.279 You know, you don't have to go on um any of the socials these days and you're hit with this messaging. 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:09.039 I mean, obviously, people know what my age group is, like I'm in my 60s now. 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:12.799 So um I I I'm that target market. 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:17.839 And uh but but they're oh god, it's night and day. 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:24.400 Um from where we were in the conversations that women would have, women felt so alone. 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:32.160 They felt broken, they felt dismissed, they would hear those messages from practitioners like, oh, it's just part of getting older, you know, like fuck you, it's not. 00:19:32.160 --> 00:19:35.440 Um it's there is a solution to this. 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:43.920 Um, you know, that whole first doing no harm, telling a woman that she just has to get used to having a dry vagina is doing harm, you know, it's it's not okay. 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:51.039 Um so you know, we we were able to get people, get women to know that there was a solution. 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:57.039 And I think, you know, when when I'm sort of gasping there on my deathbed, like, uh goodbye, children, goodbye. 00:19:57.039 --> 00:20:06.480 Um like, you know, I did good in the world because I I transformed the conversation. 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:18.480 Um, kirshi and I have brought something to um to women in terms of their their ability to go have good information, to go to the practitioners and say, hey, I know there's a solution. 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:19.359 Will you help me? 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:20.079 Yeah. 00:20:20.079 --> 00:20:23.359 Was the silky peach cream was that the first one that you developed? 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:25.359 Or was yeah, it's the best. 00:20:25.359 --> 00:20:26.240 Amazing. 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:36.160 So you came together, you you knew there was this gap of for women to be served here. 00:20:36.160 --> 00:20:40.720 Sort of tell us more about the creation of parlor games. 00:20:40.720 --> 00:20:42.799 Where does the name parlor games come from? 00:20:42.799 --> 00:20:44.640 Like tell us the story. 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:50.160 You know, we we've always brought sass to it, particularly Kirsty. 00:20:50.160 --> 00:21:00.400 You know, I I you know, with my sort of very left brainish, I can go into like the serious stuff, the science, and I'm focused on business, and about numbers, you know, I'm a good businesswoman, I can get serious about that. 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:04.720 But we've always laughed, she and I, and she has a great sassy sense of humor. 00:21:04.720 --> 00:21:11.920 And she knew that um we would be able to get our message across if we built community and we laughed about this. 00:21:11.920 --> 00:21:25.359 Um so she really led the development of um the messaging that we we came up with to um to bring to bring some lightness to this uh and some

hope. 00:21:25.359 --> 00:21:31.680 Um, and so parlor games, well, you know, women have always sat around in parlors plotting revolutions. 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:41.839 And um and you know, and honestly, what is more fun than sitting around laughing, playing games with your girlfriends? 00:21:41.839 --> 00:21:49.440 Um you know, we have a Facebook group that's just for our customers, and it's I don't know, it's it's coming up on 50,000 women in there. 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:59.759 Um th this is a place of community, you know, women that don't get that anywhere with their friends, um, because just because they weren't comfortable talking about this. 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:02.960 Oh, there's no holes barred. 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:08.000 Um, there is nothing, no question that's new anymore. 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:11.279 Everything, everything comes out. 00:22:11.279 --> 00:22:12.559 Um that's great. 00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:22.240 And and so the name is sort of honoring how women have this capacity to get together, to support each other, to share ideas, um, and to look out for each other. 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:26.319 So yeah, and to laugh, honestly, that group of women together. 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:28.160 It won't be long before they're laughing. 00:22:28.480 --> 00:22:29.279 Yes, yeah. 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:40.079 I I honestly don't understand why women aren't running the world, and I think it's just because seriously, I I am from a family with five women, and my people were like, Oh, your poor dad. 00:22:40.079 --> 00:22:42.400 I'm like, no, no, my dad loves it. 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:44.960 My dad loves it. 00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:48.160 My mom is in control of the house, you know. 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:51.359 My my sisters are all badasses. 00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:54.880 Like, I I've got businesses, Don's got businesses. 00:22:54.880 --> 00:23:09.359 Like, I don't, my my mother-in-law is like four foot eight, and Barbie will probably not be watching this, but she's four foot eight, and she will run a room, like she is in control, no question. 00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:17.359 I don't understand how we have been sold a bill of goods that we are less than once we hit a certain age. 00:23:17.359 --> 00:23:19.359 And it's all very nail-gazy. 00:23:19.359 --> 00:23:19.680 Go ahead. 00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:22.559 Well, we're often sold a bill of goods that we're less than, right? 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:29.519 From the very first time we put it on, we have a hairbrush and put a dress on put to you know to go out and like be pretty, you know. 00:23:29.519 --> 00:23:41.759 Um, I mean, I was I was at Rotary yesterday and we're we're inducting a new member, and uh you know, she's a firebrand young woman, and her sponsor introduces her as a beautiful young woman. 00:23:41.759 --> 00:23:45.519 I'm like, stop thing, beautiful, like call her a firebrand young woman. 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:48.960 Yeah, just I mean it's so insidious in all of our language. 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:59.039 Yeah, and then of course, you're right, as soon as we hit a certain age, um, you know, we're we're no longer on the breeding shelf, um, even at the edge of that. 00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:02.480 Um, and so it's very easy to dismiss. 00:24:02.480 --> 00:24:06.160 Um but women have so much wisdom. 00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:06.559 Yeah. 00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:16.160 And I and why one of the things that I am still so very passionate about is is empowering women of all ages. 00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:24.720 Um it's easier with younger women who are, you know, are growing up into a culture where there is more focus on equality. 00:24:24.720 --> 00:24:27.680 We've still got a long way to go, but there's more focus on it. 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:42.000 Um but empowering women once they get older, making sure that they know they can have the benefit of all sorts of hormones, just because they're done with reproduction does not mean their bodies are done with hormones. 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:50.480 And and women have so so much knowledge, um, they have so much wisdom, they have so much kindness in general. 00:24:50.480 --> 00:24:59.440 I am generalizing, but they have kindness and they have that capacity to you know multitask and make sure that uh everyone is taken care of in the room. 00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:08.880 Um, you know, that has to be harnessed to help us some of the solve some of the the really big issues that we face um cultures. 00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:11.440 So I think they're scared of us, truly. 00:25:11.440 --> 00:25:16.640 Hell hath no fury, right? 00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:17.440 Oh my god. 00:25:17.440 --> 00:25:27.519 I think they're scared of yeah, so uh well that leads us right into our bitch sesh, which is all about dryness everywhere today. 00:25:27.519 --> 00:25:33.920 And um I I I touched on this, touched on it. 00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:36.799 I touched on this in our opening episode. 00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:42.799 So if anybody's been watching the podcast or listening to the podcast for a while, um, they heard this story. 00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:49.119 But um very early on, um I had heard about painful sex and I was like, oh, sex is painful. 00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:51.519 I didn't know why sex would be painful. 00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:53.920 Like I thought it was just like it was painful. 00:25:53.920 --> 00:25:58.240 It's so painful because there's just no moisture whatsoever. 00:25:58.240 --> 00:26:02.799 And like the estrogen's gone and sucked all the moisture away. 00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:09.359 And so like I was like, I have uh eye drops with me all the time because my I can hear myself blink. 00:26:09.359 --> 00:26:12.960 It's like it's awful. 00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:21.200 So I went to my my OBGY on who thankfully went through uh menopause at 40 and is a menopause specialist. 00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:22.720 She's amazing, no bullshit. 00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:24.960 I've talked about her before on the podcast.

00:26:24.960 --> 00:26:35.920 But I had used a tampon and it had gotten stuck and because there was no moisture whatsoever. 00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:49.759 Like never mind any blood, there was no moisture, and it had ripped the lining, my my vaginal lining, because like when I pulled it out, and I will, it was so painful. 00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:56.960 Um, so like I never thought I would need lube to remove a tampon, right? 00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:03.119 Like that's it, it and I was like, I don't know what I did wrong. 00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:04.400 I didn't do anything wrong. 00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:07.759 I just didn't know that that was something that was happening. 00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:20.480 I also didn't know that like my periods were being so weird at that point that I, you know, I was usually five days like clockwork, and this just happened to be a three-day one. 00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:24.640 And like the Tampa, and it was like heavy, heavy, heavy, nothing. 00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:32.640 And so she's the first one who prescribed me vaginal estrogen because I have a blood clotting issue. 00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:37.759 So, um, so hormone like HRT, I'm not a candidate. 00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:48.000 But things that don't, you know, that are just topical, like the silky peach cream, I can use and it's not gonna give me a blood clot. 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:54.799 So I was so excited when I saw your um your Instagram um ads. 00:27:54.799 --> 00:28:03.680 I was like, that, that, that, like, because you're when you're trying to have sex and it's like there's like it's like hitting against a brick wall. 00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:09.920 There's no like there's so much friction because there's no moisture whatsoever. 00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:13.680 And regular lubes don't work right with that. 00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:17.920 There's just not enough lube in the world sometimes for that. 00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:23.200 And and and then what happens is a vicious circle because who the hell can relax and enjoy yourself? 00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:27.039 I mean, like, this is gonna hurt, this is gonna hurt, pretend penetration's gonna hurt. 00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:33.920 Like, what that's gonna make you tense up, and yeah, it's just a the it's just a vicious circle at that point. 00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:45.279 So yeah, yeah, and then your partner, whoever that is, is like, well, I am not providing enough sexiness to lubricate, you know, so it must be something wrong with me. 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:50.559 And uh and so it's like this back and forth, stuff that we don't talk about to each other. 00:28:50.720 --> 00:28:50.880 Right. 00:28:51.279 --> 00:29:06.319 And and if women don't talk about it with e with each other to know that this is gonna happen, then then if we just say it's sex is gonna be painful, then it just sounds like like, okay, well, then don't have sex. 00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:07.039 That's right. 00:29:07.039 --> 00:29:15.839 Rather than getting something that

will help, that's going to it just like you need um a really good moisturizer for your skin. 00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:21.680 It's it's your skin, it's like it's the external but inside. 00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:26.559 So you need a really good moisturizer that is going to help continue to produce that. 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:28.160 How did you find that? 00:29:28.559 --> 00:29:32.559 Um, again, that that happened to have just been my professional path. 00:29:32.559 --> 00:29:44.480 Um, when I was working at the lab, you know, we had all these practitioners who were doing our saliva testing and they were testing women's hormones, and then there they were, you know, some of them could um prescribe hormones and then others can't. 00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:48.960 So um, you know, over-the-counter hormones have been around for years. 00:29:48.960 --> 00:29:52.640 And so these this particular subset of practitioners are like, well, make a cream. 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:57.440 We're like, no, we're a lab, make a cream, no, we're a lab, make a cream, okay, all right. 00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:07.440 So um the there was myself and uh the two lab owners, um, one was an MD and one was an ND, an athropathic doctor. 00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:15.039 Um the the three of us worked together um to develop this professional line of creams for these practitioners. 00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:19.359 And so I was just I was just in that, immersed in that, around that. 00:30:19.359 --> 00:30:24.319 I was learning all the biochemistry, I was learning, you know, the hearing all the clinical stuff. 00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:34.079 Um it was so now you know, here I am, I'm 64, um, and I'm looking at all the stepping stones that there were in my life. 00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:40.880 Um, I'm like, oh, my time here contributed this, my time here contributed this, my time here contributed this. 00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:44.079 And we of course 2020 is you're looking backwards. 00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:58.240 Uh and yet so many things in my life that I had done professionally, um, and and things that had happened to me personally, um, so that I understood the issue, um, had have led me to this point. 00:30:58.240 --> 00:31:00.720 It all it was all funneling towards this. 00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:14.240 So um that's this that's another piece that I am profoundly grateful for is I know I was meant to do this, but this is this is my work in this lifetime. 00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:16.079 I get to do it. 00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:18.559 So grateful. 00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:19.839 That's incredible. 00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:26.559 Um and uh so I mean that's a long-winded answer to your question. 00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:28.160 No, it's great, thank you. 00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:30.640 That's where it all comes from, all these pieces. 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:37.279 And that's a I mean, that's part of is part of my pop my my philosophy on life is you know, stay open. 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:48.559 Um if if a door seems closed, it's like, well, maybe it's a good reason it's closed, but just just wait and allow yourself to be open to like, oh, is that a little corridor over there? 00:31:48.559 --> 00:31:52.079 Well, the door is open on that corridor, so I'm gonna take that corridor. 00:31:52.079 --> 00:32:00.240 You know, um just we we can it's one thing to have goals um and go after those. 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:04.160 Um sometimes the universe says, not that goal. 00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:20.720 Oh my god, I've got something else instead, and you just you know if you can take your ego out of it and and know that no, I'm I'm I'm I'm here for something and I'll follow this path blindly. 00:32:20.720 --> 00:32:23.440 Um you know, I love that. 00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:28.559 I'm just fortunate I've been able to learn to do that and and and have this joy. 00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:29.440 That's great. 00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:31.119 Word for you. 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:32.000 Thank you. 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:34.559 Many many vaginas, thank you. 00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:39.680 Saving the world one vagina at a time, right? 00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:43.440 I love that. 00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:47.839 You dom, like what is your bitch sesh about dryness? 00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:49.039 Oh my god. 00:32:52.319 --> 00:33:10.960 I mean, well, so first of all, I'll fit I'll end with the vagina story, but I would say like my skin and my hair have gotten much drier over, I would say, the last year and a half than they used to be, even when it's disgustingly humid out. 00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:12.799 I'm still dry. 00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:30.160 And um, so that's been interesting because I've always had I'm half Filipino, so my hair has always been very soft, and then just over like the last year or so, it started to be more coarse and dry, and not just the white hair that's coming in. 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:33.680 My skin has been dry, my eyes have been dry. 00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:38.640 And people will say, doctors and coaches will say, Well, are you hydrating enough? 00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:40.799 And it's like, dude, I am an audiobook narrator. 00:33:40.799 --> 00:33:46.960 If I can hydrate, then everybody just hears my mouth sounds when I record, and editors yell at me. 00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:49.680 So like I hydrate. 00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:52.880 Um, so that's been fun. 00:33:52.880 --> 00:34:04.720 But I started to feel pain during intercourse right around when I turned 40. 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:16.320 So when I had that first bad doctor's appointment with an OBGYN, and she told me I was too young, and she suggested we do an SDD test. 00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:18.400 I didn't hear that part. 00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:20.559 Yeah, I saved that one for you. 00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:21.920 Oh my god. 00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:26.480 Um I don't think that's necessary. 00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:27.679 Thanks. 00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:28.800 Oh my god. 00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.119 Uh so that was an experience.

00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:52.639 Um, and then it wasn't every time, but then I would say progressively over the last few years, it had gotten, I would say about a year and a half ago, it was really painful to the point that we mostly did oral at that point because I was like, I could not handle um penetrative sex. 00:34:52.639 --> 00:35:03.039 And I have a very sweet, loving husband who also did a ton of research, but he didn't do the right research because he just he just like basically did a wine tasting of lubes for our house. 00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:08.880 And he's like, what we had like a lineup, we had a lineup of little lubes. 00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:18.800 We're just oh my god, he's I love it. 00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:23.119 We spent a lot of money on it, but he was very sweet. 00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:25.039 He's like, We're gonna find the right one. 00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:26.880 That is very sweet. 00:35:26.880 --> 00:35:28.960 Oh my god, he's a great one. 00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:38.719 And so what's interesting is so I have not tried anything, any kind of creams to assist me downstairs. 00:35:38.719 --> 00:35:46.880 The pain has subsided a bit, but I still experience right now pain during intercourse. 00:35:46.880 --> 00:35:51.599 Um, so I'm very curious about silky peach. 00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:53.199 About silky peach. 00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:54.239 So, all right. 00:35:54.239 --> 00:36:05.280 I actually intentionally kept myself not educated about this until tonight because I wanted to ask the questions for any of our listeners who may also not know. 00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:08.320 But when do you use it? 00:36:08.320 --> 00:36:09.119 How do you use it? 00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:10.000 Where does it go? 00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:11.599 Like, what what do you do? 00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:12.400 How do you do it? 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:13.440 Yeah. 00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:18.000 Um, so let me just back up just a little bit and just kind of reinforce that message. 00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:22.719 You know, we have uh receptors for estrogen all over our pelvic area. 00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:28.880 So, yes, it can be for the vagina, it's also around the urethra and the bladder, and just wait. 00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:33.119 Once you start sneezing, that's gonna be a surprise because you're gonna start peeing. 00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:34.239 Oh, I already do. 00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:38.559 Yes, professional health, but the whole pelvic area. 00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:40.320 So it's sitting going, where's the estrogen? 00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:41.039 Where's the estrogen? 00:36:41.039 --> 00:36:42.079 Where's the estrogen? 00:36:42.079 --> 00:36:55.840 So it turns out that estriol is one of the hormones that's really good for just like refilling the little reservoir of estriol um in that very tender tissue that's just like dry, empty reservoir, wet, you know, like, oh, why was it all? 00:36:55.840 --> 00:37:07.679 So typically, um, you know, estriol, estrogen creams, estriol

creams, um, they're you you just pump them out onto your finger, you apply it to the uh inner labia. 00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:19.039 Sometimes if someone has um it's been a while that they've been dealing with this, you might want to put it on the outer labia where the skin is thicker, because sometimes that could it could just be so tender and so sore. 00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:28.559 Um but the idea being is that you you your body is oftentimes just not making enough or any estro estrogen. 00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:40.480 And so the goal is to put enough back in so that that tissue um kind of plumps up and is healthy, um, and and and the skin is not going to tear, it's nice and robust. 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:47.119 Um, so many women will use that um in the evening just before they go to bed. 00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:53.199 Um, some women um can find that that keeps them awake, so they'll just use it in the morning after they've been in the shower. 00:37:53.199 --> 00:38:01.199 Um, and it becomes kind of a daily or every other day routine because um it's not like mending a bone. 00:38:01.199 --> 00:38:04.639 You know, after a while the bone's healed and you're good, off you go. 00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:12.800 This the the body has stopped its capacity to make its own estrogen, that's you know part of menopause transit transition. 00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:22.239 So you so they decide if you want to maintain that tissue, it's putting it back in on a regular basis um to make sure you have that regular supply. 00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:23.360 So yeah. 00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:34.079 So so does it also help if you um like I do, I sneeze and I pee, I jump rope and I pee. 00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:36.079 Does it also assist with that? 00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:37.360 Right. 00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:52.480 So um we don't tend to think of you know the urethra, the little tube that goes on the bladder, the outside world, we don't tend to think of that as being a tube, but it is, and it has a skin layer on it, and there are estrogen receptors on that little skin layer. 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:59.039 Um and there's estrogen receptors on the muscles around the uh the bladder neck. 00:38:59.039 --> 00:39:06.320 So if you take estrogen away, those muscles don't have that same kind of strength that they used to have. 00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:09.039 Um they're missing um estrogen. 00:39:09.039 --> 00:39:17.519 Um the in inside of the urethra, the tube, the you know, the UP through, um, that loses um its skin integrity as well. 00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:28.800 So you get little tiny little microtears in there, and that's when you start, you know, we're getting um, you know, replete back replete bladder or utis or just irritation. 00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:40.880 Um, but yes, with those muscles relying on estrogen as a component of their health, you know, your your bladder health, yeah, that's when you start just peeing. 00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:50.159 Um, and you only have to go down the incontinence

aisle in the grocery store to know, like, oh, this is this is yet another problem that women don't talk about. 00:39:50.159 --> 00:39:59.760 Um so estriol alone is not the solution the long term, I think. 00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:11.280 You know, for many women, particularly those who have had a baby, um, you know, done all that pushing, you know, vaginal birth, all the all that pushing, gosh, it changes everything in your your your interior organs. 00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:32.000 Um, pelvic floor exercises as well, finding a pelvic floor specialist um that's really focused on um the whole network of muscles that there are um surrounding the bladder, um, and holding those other organs in place because sometimes I forget, oh god, I can just go on for hours. 00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:34.159 Please tell us we want to know. 00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:37.280 Just do that, like the sign across your throat, like stop talking. 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:44.400 Um, so you know, we have collagen that holds a lot a lot of our organs in place. 00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:48.719 It's kind of a network um of like slings, whatever, and hold everything in place. 00:40:48.719 --> 00:40:51.440 Um, and estrogen is important for that collagen. 00:40:51.440 --> 00:41:04.320 And so as estrogen is diminishing as time passes, it everything can start to sink down, and that changes the just changes the geography of that whole pelvic region. 00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:10.079 And so your your bladder can get squished out, kind of out of shape. 00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:24.960 Um, and so that that whole area needs long-term consistent care and a pelvic floor therapist and making sure you have enough estrogen go a long way too, and making sure that you don't become incontinent. 00:41:24.960 --> 00:41:28.960 Now, nobody wants to pee their pants, but let's just take it a next step further. 00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:33.199 If you're always worried about peeing your pants, you stop going out. 00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:36.159 You always know where there's a bathroom. 00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:42.800 Yeah, you begin to do strategic dehydration if you don't know where that bathroom is going to be. 00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:50.159 You try flying, and you're not sure whether you're gonna be like stuck on the tarmac, unable to go to the bathroom. 00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:56.239 I mean, there's so much anxiety that women begin to experience around incontinence, and it changes how they interact with the world. 00:41:56.239 --> 00:42:00.800 So these I again, I'm I'm I'm feeling sort of earnest and passionate about this. 00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:10.000 Ladies again, I I I want to empower women to be healthy until like five minutes after they're like ah done scene. 00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:11.840 Yeah, um, and out of here. 00:42:11.840 --> 00:42:17.760 So yeah, I just I just want women to have all the information to be empowered. 00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:19.679 So well, you just blew my mind. 00:42:19.840 --> 00:42:20.079 Yeah. 00:42:20.079 --> 00:42:20.960 So thank you. 00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:26.800 So now if somebody is on if someone's on HRT, can they still use the cream? 00:42:27.519 --> 00:42:28.960 Um they need it. 00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:33.519 One of um, so this is it's such a that's such a fantastic question. 00:42:33.519 --> 00:42:39.760 So a lot of this is to do is how how is how much how are hormones administered? 00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:49.679 Um, you know, there's such a growing body of evidence that says hormones are critical, um, biodentical hormones in particular that we're talking about. 00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:54.639 Um, and some hormones, uh particularly estrogens, are best done in creams. 00:42:54.639 --> 00:43:00.239 Um, and a practitioner can order those for you, can prescribe those for you. 00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:11.119 But many of what we call um hormones for overall HRT hormone replacement um are for systemic use, all the way through for our brains. 00:43:11.119 --> 00:43:13.599 Oh my god, so important for our brains. 00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:17.519 Um uh, but our bones, our cardiovascular system. 00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:24.800 So oftentimes it's you know it's a patch, or we put them on thin areas of the skin, so they sort of get distributed everywhere. 00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:41.760 When it comes to this um vulvar tissue, um to vaginal health and urinary health, it does seem um, and then the North American Menopause Society um are fully this is their message, is that you can do both. 00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:49.119 You get the benefit of HRT for all the systemic reasons, all the reasons your body still continues to need hormones. 00:43:49.119 --> 00:43:59.760 And you can use very targeted topical um estriol for that that um genitor urinary area of your body that you're. 00:43:59.760 --> 00:44:01.280 Just try to keep in good shape. 00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:04.719 So yeah, that's that's a North American Menopause Society message there. 00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:05.519 That's awesome. 00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:06.880 We've talked about them too. 00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:10.000 If you're listening, menopause.org is how you find them. 00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:13.760 Um, Kate, is there also like a progesterone cream? 00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:18.079 Um, talk about that a little bit because you said like progesterone really helped you. 00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:23.199 And since I'm not an HRT candidate, I can't get like patches or anything like that. 00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:26.480 Um, is there like a cream that can help for that? 00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:29.199 Uh very definitely. 00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:38.880 Um, so progesterone can be given um in a tablet that you often take um uh bedtime, and that can be really helpful with sleep. 00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:43.360 Um then you can also get them in creams. 00:44:43.360 --> 00:45:06.239 And um creams, um, there's a little bit of like pharmacokinetics, how how this works in the body is when we when you put a cream on the thin areas of

your skin, like in your arms, behind the knees, tops of the feet, even if you have a slender neck, even on your neck, you want that cream absorbed quickly into your bloodstream and into the lymphatic system. 00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:09.679 And that's how those hormones kind of get moved around. 00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:14.400 You know, your heart's pumping away, it's pumping the blood, and it's carrying some of this hormone around. 00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:22.719 Um so that topical creams can be a great way to get progesterone into the body. 00:45:22.719 --> 00:45:32.639 Um I there is a there's sometimes a little bit of confusion on this because so often people test hormones in serum in blood. 00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:38.639 Um, whereas if you're going to be using topical creams, the way to test it is in a saliva test. 00:45:38.639 --> 00:45:42.079 And that's a whole other conversation that we can have. 00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:48.639 But but because oftentimes someone who's on a hormone cream that doesn't often show up in a blood test. 00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:53.679 And so the hormone creams can sometimes get a bad rap because everyone says, Oh no, it don't show up. 00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:55.519 You're like, Well, you're looking in the wrong place. 00:45:55.519 --> 00:46:00.400 So um, so cream progesterone creams can be super helpful. 00:46:00.400 --> 00:46:10.400 Um and um uh and oftentimes women can get those prescribed um by a practitioner who's who knows what they're doing. 00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:21.760 Um they may be sent to a compounding pharmacist um to get those uh creams, you know, you keep them in the fridge and then you just sort of you know use them on the schedule that the practitioner gives you. 00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:23.119 So yeah. 00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:29.920 I I I want I want us to uh uh to have a note of hope around this, you know. 00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:36.000 Right at the beginning I said things have changed very much in six years since we started doing this. 00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:47.599 But one of the big things that happened um uh up it was like November of last year, was there's the messaging about estrogen causes cancer. 00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:49.519 There was a big X through that. 00:46:49.519 --> 00:46:55.280 Everyone said, Oh no, actually, uh estrogen can actually be protective. 00:46:55.280 --> 00:47:06.079 Um so it is our our our landscape now for women getting help, demanding help is so much better. 00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:14.000 What we do still have to deal with is for about 20 years, many practitioners had less than five hours of training on menopause. 00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:20.079 Yes, like what good half the population is gonna go through this. 00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:20.880 Yep. 00:47:22.320 --> 00:47:24.000 So the tide is turning. 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:46.960 Yeah, it's a bit slow, but I think women can feel very empowered to go to their practitioner and say, I want my hormones tested, um, I want a solution, I want you to track my symptoms, I want to come in every year, and I want you to keep tracking my symptoms because I know the ones that I have now in perimenopause are very different from the ones I'm gonna have postmenopause. 00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:54.880 Um and I want you monitoring me every year in the same way that you monitor my cholesterol, I want you monitoring my hormones. 00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:55.840 So amazing. 00:47:56.239 --> 00:47:57.760 That is wonderful. 00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:06.719 That is wonderful, and a side note um if men went through this, you know we'd have a solution already. 00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:09.280 Like I believe that's called Viagra. 00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:10.239 Yeah, exactly. 00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:11.199 Well, that's it. 00:48:11.199 --> 00:48:25.199 And and my friend in Washington State will move on to hormone horror stories later, but my friend in Washington State right now said that she can't get her patches because there are like one or two boxes in the area where she lives. 00:48:25.199 --> 00:48:27.920 Do you think there's a shortage of Cialis or Viagra? 00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:32.159 No, oh my god, so yeah, it's awful. 00:48:32.159 --> 00:48:34.239 Oh, that's that's fantastic. 00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:38.400 So, um, so what have you used that helps? 00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:40.559 Do you do anything else that helps? 00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:43.840 In addition to check out all the parlor game stuff. 00:48:43.840 --> 00:48:46.159 By the way, we're not sponsored by parlor games. 00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:51.280 We just love the parlor games stuff that we have, Kate, on, but definitely check out parlorgames.com. 00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:54.719 But in addition to parlor games, what else have you found that helps? 00:48:55.039 --> 00:49:04.559 So for me, for me, um, so in my 40s, that's when I started with progesterone, and it it just took me through um just took me through that transition. 00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:05.840 It was just never an issue. 00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:25.039 So then in my mid-50s, um, I began to um notice more of these dryness issues, my skin was changing, some of my cognition, I you know, the the word finding, um, you know, like you were trying to find the word earplugs in one of your um like the foamy thing that goes in. 00:49:25.039 --> 00:49:28.880 That was I always remember people laughing at that one, it was hilarious. 00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:32.639 So the um so the the word finding. 00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:41.199 So then I started introducing some um estrogen, um uh estriol and estradiol, which is the more potent of the estrogens. 00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:49.519 Um, but then um, you know, turning 60, and one of the things that I found is like I just had this level of fatigue that I've never had before. 00:49:49.519 --> 00:49:51.119 I've always been high energy. 00:49:51.119 --> 00:49:56.960 Um, and I was finding myself way more likely to sit in the couch than to put my boots on and go hiking. 00:49:56.960

--> 00:50:02.239 Um, and so then I added in D DHEA, dihydroepandrosterone. 00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:10.559 Um, and that's kind of a it's it's an overall wellness hormone, and it's a foundation hormone for um you know to make testosterone and estradiol. 00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:13.199 And that was transformative. 00:50:13.199 --> 00:50:23.199 Within two or three days of using this, I was running around like I'm back! I'm gonna took 10 years off me. 00:50:23.199 --> 00:50:59.360 I'm like, I remember what this felt like, and it had been so slow and so gradual, even with the progesterone, even with the estradiol, it it had just been so slow and incremental, and then I'm like boost with this DHEA back in my system, and um so um that has that has been fantastic for my brain, for my energy over the last three or four years, and I'm getting to the point now where I think I'm gonna go um back to the practitioner and talk to her about some testosterone. 00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:07.360 Um you know, I you know, my my libido, um, it's like when you're in the moment, you're like, oh yeah, I remember this. 00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:14.559 But I find I find I can go long longer and longer time before I'm like, oh yeah, let's let's now. 00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:15.920 I'm interested. 00:51:15.920 --> 00:51:19.119 You know, I'm like, that's changed. 00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:23.679 Um, but also um some of my strength um is changing. 00:51:23.679 --> 00:51:37.440 Um and and testosterone is is so incredibly important for men, um particularly with their strength and their muscle development, but it's also important for women, it's in in lower amounts, and so I'm just beginning to see that piece of it sort of coming in. 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:45.119 So I'm I'm gonna get myself organized in the next sort of two or three months to get to the practitioner and say, you know what? 00:51:45.119 --> 00:51:48.400 I I know my testosterone is low, let's check it. 00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:54.400 Um because I'm I'm interested in testosterone replacement, you know, uh in a woman's dose. 00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:56.000 So yeah, that's interesting. 00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:56.639 Yeah. 00:51:57.199 --> 00:52:01.679 Have you done any work with that in parlor games as well, like testosterone yet? 00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:07.679 Um so testosterone is a classified as a a class two drug and it has to be prescribed. 00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:14.159 And uh I mean in in some ways but you know, it's quite dangerous. 00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:17.679 It can be quite dangerous if you overdose it, if you do too much. 00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:34.159 Um, and I think because you know, it has been overused, you know, in sports um environment or weightlifting environments, um it has ended up in it being classified as as a class two substance, you know, it has to be prescribed just from a safety profile. 00:52:34.159 --> 00:52:43.280 But um and yeah, um in the right amounts, um it again, it can make such a big difference. 00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:49.199 So I've heard a lot about microdosing, microdosing testosterone, and I'm curious about that too. 00:52:49.199 --> 00:52:54.400 Yeah, but it also in too much, it can turn you into a total asshole. 00:52:54.800 --> 00:53:01.760 Right like everything, um, and that's why you know having your practitioner test your hormones again. 00:53:01.760 --> 00:53:10.960 If just to reiterate, if someone is is using topicals, you do want to be testing in saliva, just because that's where you see the hormones. 00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:17.599 Um, but getting your practitioner to test your hormones regularly um and compare them to symptoms. 00:53:17.599 --> 00:53:18.559 That's great. 00:53:19.440 --> 00:53:24.719 Absolutely, not a doctor, even though Kate is a scientist, we are not doctors. 00:53:24.880 --> 00:53:31.920 We're sharing information on how you can go to your doctor armed with the resources that will make them say, Let me help you. 00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:32.559 Yes. 00:53:32.559 --> 00:53:43.920 So I would say, so I do not have a menopause specialist right now or an OBGYN right now, because we moved recently, and also I'm a little scarred by my past experiences with them. 00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:54.480 But I have a wonderful primary who, when I walked in and saw her for the first time again, she was my primary 10 years ago before any of this started. 00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:57.360 I walked in and she goes, Dom, you're almost 44. 00:53:57.360 --> 00:54:00.320 You're in perimenopause, let's start talking about it. 00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:02.960 And so she just went right into it. 00:54:02.960 --> 00:54:19.920 But when I do find an OBGYN or hopefully a menopause specialist, so I would walk in and I would say, I want to have my hormones monitored on an annual basis and have them saliva via saliva testing, not just blood testing. 00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:23.760 Well, if you're again, it's how you how you're getting your hormones. 00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:26.800 If you're getting your hormones orally, those show up in blood. 00:54:26.800 --> 00:54:30.239 So you could you could you're looking in the right place to see the hormones. 00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:38.880 If you're if someone is using a cream, um they just don't show up in blood in the same way unless you're on really high doses. 00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:43.119 Um, because they're they exist at the tissue level, but not in the blood. 00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:45.760 So they're there in the tissue where you need them. 00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:53.840 Um, and that's why you would uh so so using creams you monitor in saliva because saliva measures that tissue level. 00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:54.880 Fantastic. 00:54:54.880 --> 00:54:56.239 I've never heard that before. 00:54:56.239 --> 00:54:56.960 That's amazing. 00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:04.320 Well, well, I want to start use I'm on progesterone orally right now, but I'm really curious about that cream. 00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:05.039 Yeah.

00:55:05.039 --> 00:55:10.960 So well, I I will say, you know, oral, um, that oral is fantastic for sleep. 00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:20.719 Um, not that topical isn't as well, but oral in terms of because the progesterone itself um gets uh broken down by the liver. 00:55:20.719 --> 00:55:35.119 After you swallow it, it gets broken down by the liver, um, and it gets converted into another hormone called allopregnenolone or neurotransmitter called neuro allopregnenolone, and that goes, ooh, ping the GABA receptor, and your GABA is like the calm one. 00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:43.519 So progester makes allopregnenolone, which increases GABA, and you go like, oh, good night. 00:55:45.119 --> 00:55:51.119 My nutritionist just gave me GABA, like because um to to start taking that. 00:55:51.119 --> 00:55:54.800 So that's it's interesting to know why I'm taking it. 00:55:54.800 --> 00:55:56.719 Yeah, right. 00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:11.280 Yeah, um, and um and there's a growing number of resources out there, and you know, just more and more people are understanding that oh yeah, we can we can really work with some fun science here. 00:56:11.679 --> 00:56:12.880 That sounds really cool. 00:56:12.880 --> 00:56:13.760 That's awesome. 00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:16.880 And Dom, you were asking about like what it looks like. 00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:19.119 So I just happen to have mine here. 00:56:19.119 --> 00:56:26.559 So if you're watching on the um on the video, um, and if you're listening to it, you can go to YouTube on our channel. 00:56:26.559 --> 00:56:31.119 And I've got the silky peach cream and I'll show it on the thing. 00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:32.400 That's what it looks like. 00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:35.599 Love your lady bits, which I love. 00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:38.719 And then on the back, I'm showing the back of it. 00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:41.679 And if you're watching, you can pause to read that. 00:56:41.679 --> 00:56:47.920 Um, and then when you do the little pump of it, uh, I'll show you what it looks like. 00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:50.480 It looks just like that. 00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:53.280 And Kate, like any more than that, right? 00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:56.559 Just a little pump of it, like maybe one or two pumps. 00:56:57.119 --> 00:57:01.760 Um, oftentimes that's pretty much what most most of our customers use. 00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:07.519 So I'm ordering mine this week and I will report back on the state of mind again. 00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:09.599 Exactly. 00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:11.280 Oh my god. 00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:14.400 Um, a lot of our ladies use it on their face as well. 00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:19.199 I mean, it's for skin, it's helping that skin be really healthy and strong. 00:57:19.360 --> 00:57:33.039 No, I spend so much money on my skin, like because like now that you know, you use the same thing from when you're in eighth grade, when you're first like aware of your skin and taking care of it. 00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:38.400 Um, like when you're around 14, 13, 14 years old, you're like, oh, puberty, ha ha. 00:57:38.400 --> 00:57:41.119 Now I have to really start washing my face. 00:57:41.119 --> 00:57:55.519 And then now when you get into, you know, in into your midlife, your skin is so different that it's like, oh my god, now I have to try everything again to see what actually works for my skin. 00:57:55.519 --> 00:57:58.320 So you can use the silky peach cream on your face. 00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:02.480 That is uh see, you learn something new every day. 00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:08.880 I'm learning so on your some of our our ladies will use it on the backs of their hands, you know, because this is where you'll go. 00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:14.320 It's it is helping the skin cells be strong and robust. 00:58:14.320 --> 00:58:18.559 Um so that's it's a skin, it's really a skincare cream. 00:58:18.639 --> 00:58:20.960 So I mean, it's exciting. 00:58:20.960 --> 00:58:22.320 It's good, you know. 00:58:22.400 --> 00:58:27.599 It's like it's like, oh, this it feels so nice and it smells, smells so good. 00:58:27.599 --> 00:58:31.119 Um, oh this is here's an interesting question. 00:58:31.119 --> 00:58:32.320 Does it have a taste? 00:58:32.320 --> 00:58:33.519 I haven't tasted it. 00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:35.840 Okay, good for human consumption. 00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:40.000 No, no, but I mean, like, you know, never be confused with a lube. 00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:59.840 No, like if you're like so you want to use it all the time before you're gonna get busy, like so that you're not consuming it during the sometimes people, I mean everybody's schedule schedule or opportunities um are different. 00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:08.719 I mean, if if you use it and you're like, oh, I'm just gonna go to sleep, and and that's not the plan, um, things change, you know, you can always reapply afterwards. 00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:10.880 Okay, good to know. 00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:11.840 Very nice. 00:59:11.840 --> 00:59:12.480 Excellent. 00:59:12.480 --> 00:59:21.119 Um, my other tools that I use for dryness, um, just in addition to dry vagina, which we've talked extensively about. 00:59:21.119 --> 00:59:29.440 Um, my my eyes, um, I've talked about this before, but I've found the blink uh eye drops to be very helpful. 00:59:29.440 --> 00:59:34.159 Um, it's not like Visine where it's like it takes the red out. 00:59:34.159 --> 00:59:35.119 It's nothing like that. 00:59:35.119 --> 00:59:38.559 It's just a lubrication for your eyes. 00:59:38.559 --> 00:59:54.800 I have it in my car, I have it in my purse, I have it in my booth, I have it in every bathroom because God knows, especially during the summer and the spring and summer, when I have my allergies are really bad, I really need extra lubrication for my eyes. 00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:58.719 So I found the blink eye drops very again, we're not sponsored blood blink. 00:59:58.719 --> 01:00:01.039 It's just what I happen to use. 01:00:01.039 --> 01:00:23.039 And for my

skin, um, now I'm gonna use So Kype on the backs of my hands, but um the uh gold bond like 10 layer whatever, it's like it's a very, it's a wonderful um uh lotion that I keep at every single sink in my house. 01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:35.840 Um, so that I because I also have celiac disease, so I wash my hands a lot because my um my child and my husband don't have celiac and they do consume gluten in house. 01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:40.800 So if I touch anything that has gluten on it, I have to wash my hands immediately. 01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:45.280 Um, and that gold bond, uh, I'll link it in the show notes. 01:00:45.280 --> 01:00:48.800 That particular gold bond, it's got the number 10 on it. 01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:53.119 I can't remember if it's like 10 layers or 10 somethings, 10 somethings. 01:00:53.119 --> 01:00:57.599 Um it it helps my uh it helps so much. 01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:02.800 I have tried the anti-aging one, but I find that honestly to be a little drying. 01:01:02.800 --> 01:01:20.480 So this one you can you can um put it on right after you've washed your hands, and it does, it's not slimy, it's like it's very just very hydrating, and it makes sure that if your hands start to crack, that it's protecting your skin. 01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:24.000 So that's amazing, cool, amazing. 01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:30.159 I like that idea of the blink because I find my eyes I you know, I live in the desert, uh kind of in western Colorado. 01:01:30.159 --> 01:01:31.360 Oh, okay. 01:01:31.360 --> 01:01:34.000 And it's so dry, it's so dry here. 01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:37.760 Yeah, my ideas, my eyes do get dry, so I'm gonna try that. 01:01:38.159 --> 01:01:39.840 My sister's in steamboat springs. 01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:41.360 Oh, yeah, yeah. 01:01:41.360 --> 01:01:43.840 Yeah, that's awesome. 01:01:43.840 --> 01:01:48.960 Yeah, I mean, like that particular uh gold bond and the blank really, really helps. 01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:50.480 What about you, Dom? 01:01:50.480 --> 01:01:54.159 Do you have any um any tools that that help you a lot? 01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:56.480 I mean, I got some tools that I'm gonna start using. 01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:58.800 Um, for sure. 01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:08.639 But I mean, for my for my dry skin, uh in the wintertime, what I found really worked was I got the Cera V moisturizing cream. 01:02:08.639 --> 01:02:12.719 And that I would get out of the shower and I would do an all over with that. 01:02:12.719 --> 01:02:22.159 And then I got this special, I think it's an aquifer lotion, but it's like a special healing one, not the gel that's like a Vaseline, but like an aquifer healing lotion. 01:02:22.159 --> 01:02:25.360 And then I would do another layer of that over the Cera V. 01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:27.119 Oh, okay. 01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:32.320 And that actually moisturized and locked in the moisture for me. 01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:39.280 So like I wasn't completely dry and cracky and ashy by the end of the day. 01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:48.960 But because sometimes I'm a little bit bougie and I want something that smells nice, um, I am such a sucker for an Instagram ad. 01:02:48.960 --> 01:02:50.960 It's most ads. 01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:59.519 I am the target audience for Instagram ads. 01:02:59.519 --> 01:03:07.280 And so I bought the stripes beauty, which is Naomi Watts's company. 01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:14.559 She has a body oil called the full Monty that has is it squalene or squaly squalene? 01:03:14.559 --> 01:03:15.280 Is that how you say it? 01:03:15.280 --> 01:03:16.639 I would say squalene. 01:03:16.639 --> 01:03:17.599 Squalene. 01:03:17.599 --> 01:03:23.519 It has squalene in it and other things that I don't know how to pronounce and remember what they are. 01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:27.199 Um but they sound tiny. 01:03:27.199 --> 01:03:36.480 So here's the problem it smells incredible and it does work. 01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:38.880 I don't know if it would work on me in the winter time. 01:03:38.880 --> 01:03:45.199 I'm using it right now in the summer because it's I wanted something a little bit lighter than the double layer of lotions. 01:03:45.199 --> 01:03:48.559 But um, but it actually does work. 01:03:48.800 --> 01:03:50.159 That's good to know. 01:03:50.159 --> 01:03:55.920 I will I will give you like a I can't use aquafore because it has alcohol in it. 01:03:55.920 --> 01:03:58.960 Aquifor has alcohol in it. 01:03:58.960 --> 01:04:00.880 I know. 01:04:00.880 --> 01:04:05.599 So, like on my lips, the only thing I can use is Vaseline lip care. 01:04:05.599 --> 01:04:06.320 That's it. 01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:16.239 And it's like it's like the little I can't even use because there are other Vaseline products that for your lips that have alcohol in them, and it hurts. 01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:19.119 Like I start to my lips start to peel. 01:04:19.119 --> 01:04:21.519 Yeah, that's awful. 01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:22.559 Oh, geez. 01:04:22.880 --> 01:04:23.679 It's not good. 01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:26.320 So should we move on to hormone horror stories? 01:04:26.320 --> 01:04:30.320 We're we are already like we're we're having such a good time. 01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:32.000 We've already been here for over an hour. 01:04:32.079 --> 01:04:39.440 So um, and and we do have, yeah, we we do check the chat here too. 01:04:39.440 --> 01:04:46.800 Um uh let's see, we've got um anything in the chat if you're here. 01:04:46.800 --> 01:04:49.119 We we're moving on to hormonal horror stories. 01:04:49.119 --> 01:04:53.599 If you've got anything in the chat, Hoddi, so if you're who are here, put in the chat. 01:04:53.599 --> 01:05:06.480 Um, if you've got something at home and you're listening to this later, you're not live with us, please write to us at bitchesandheapodcast at gmail.com and we could share yours on the air too. 01:05:06.480 --> 01:05:22.880 Um, one of the things that I shared last last episode is that my friend um Bridget, who is who has osteoporosis, um, went to a

spine specialist and they said, Oh, well, we don't deal with menopausal women. 01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:28.800 I'm like, who the hell do you think gets osteoporosis? 01:05:28.800 --> 01:05:31.360 It's menopausal women. 01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:33.039 Like, what the fuck? 01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:34.320 So raging. 01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:35.440 Yeah, totally raging. 01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:36.880 Totally raging. 01:05:36.880 --> 01:05:43.519 Um, and the whole thing about like being in Washington State right now and needing HRT, you can't get it. 01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:45.440 It's what the hell is that? 01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:50.639 So, do you have any hormone horror stories, uh, Dom, to share with us? 01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:58.480 Uh, well, I don't have any of my own or that anybody shared with me, but I like going on Reddit to get stories. 01:05:58.480 --> 01:06:18.079 Let me tell you, on Reddit, under both menopause and Mary Perimenopause, there are some really good subreddits. 01:06:18.079 --> 01:06:19.280 Like, and there's a lot. 01:06:19.280 --> 01:06:20.400 There is a lot. 01:06:20.400 --> 01:06:27.760 I think my favorite thing, though, about it is how supportive and kind everybody responding in there is to each other. 01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:28.400 Because you know what? 01:06:28.400 --> 01:06:33.599 Some of these social threads, people are so mean and judgmental. 01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:41.920 But in these spaces, which I comb through a lot, uh, everybody's so kind and just offering up information. 01:06:41.920 --> 01:06:44.480 But sometimes people are really fucking funny too. 01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:52.320 So um, so I'm just gonna read some really fun things and a couple of awww things from from Reddit. 01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:54.239 Uh, here we go. 01:06:54.239 --> 01:06:56.480 First person, here I go. 01:06:56.480 --> 01:07:00.159 Describing my genitals to strangers on the internet again. 01:07:00.159 --> 01:07:09.760 I first noticed the change when inserting my menstrual cup. 01:07:09.760 --> 01:07:16.239 Like suddenly, it always seems to leave me abraded and sore when I've been using them for years without any issues. 01:07:16.239 --> 01:07:23.440 Plus, I was getting the urge to pee constantly, getting up in the middle of the night, but also having to pee urgently as soon as I got home from work. 01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:27.039 That wasn't as funny. 01:07:27.039 --> 01:07:28.400 That was just a bummer. 01:07:28.400 --> 01:07:32.800 Um, let's see. 01:07:32.800 --> 01:07:37.760 Uh, your urine comes from a different hole, no problems there. 01:07:37.760 --> 01:07:42.480 But we all know now that they do need the estrogen. 01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:43.679 Anyway, go ahead. 01:07:43.679 --> 01:07:45.679 Mind blown, Kate. 01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:46.079 Yeah. 01:07:46.239 --> 01:07:51.039 Um, my Volvo would feel so dry, it felt like it was eating my panties. 01:07:51.440 --> 01:07:54.480 Oh yeah. 01:07:54.719 --> 01:07:55.039 Yeah. 01:07:55.039 --> 01:07:56.159 Yeah. 01:07:56.159 --> 01:08:03.360 Um, and then here's just a running list of some of the titles of the subreddits of like their questions. 01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:04.960 Dry as a desert. 01:08:04.960 --> 01:08:05.679 Help. 01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:07.199 Drying up down there. 01:08:07.199 --> 01:08:08.400 Dried up now. 01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:09.360 Question mark. 01:08:09.360 --> 01:08:11.119 Is the dryness permanent? 01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:12.480 Dry, dry, dry. 01:08:12.480 --> 01:08:14.639 What to do about this dry skin? 01:08:14.639 --> 01:08:16.079 I want to rip my skin off. 01:08:16.079 --> 01:08:16.720 Help. 01:08:16.720 --> 01:08:18.479 Dehydrate it all the time. 01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:22.159 Now, dry mouth, never gonna be the same down there. 01:08:22.159 --> 01:08:24.640 Desert dry skin everywhere. 01:08:24.640 --> 01:08:26.800 Is dry butt crack a thing? 01:08:28.720 --> 01:08:31.039 All right, all right, let's talk about that. 01:08:31.039 --> 01:08:32.319 Oh my god. 01:08:32.319 --> 01:08:34.960 I never I never thought about that. 01:08:34.960 --> 01:08:36.479 Good old Reddit. 01:08:36.479 --> 01:08:38.399 Good old Reddit. 01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:42.239 Kate, we actually have an uh question from the chat for you. 01:08:42.239 --> 01:08:48.239 Um would you consider these products beneficial for an individual who is on CSHRT? 01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:51.279 Drier than the Kouraman in summer. 01:08:51.279 --> 01:08:59.680 So um, like for trans women who are on CSHRT, um, would these products be useful? 01:08:59.920 --> 01:09:04.880 Oh gosh, that that's always going to be a question for your practitioner, honestly. 01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:12.159 Um, just because uh everyone, well, everyone's an individual anyway. 01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:18.239 How we clear um hormones from our body, how we utilize them in our body. 01:09:18.239 --> 01:09:34.319 Um and when when you layer in the often higher levels of hormones um that a trans um person is optim is using to optimize their body, it's just such an individual picture. 01:09:34.319 --> 01:09:35.760 So yeah. 01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:36.640 Yeah. 01:09:36.640 --> 01:09:43.840 Hopefully the information you've got some information to go have that conversation now, helpful information to have that conversation. 01:09:43.840 --> 01:09:44.319 Yeah. 01:09:44.319 --> 01:09:45.279 Good. 01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:49.600 Yeah, you've got so many, you've got so many products now. 01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:54.239 Um tell us about each one and what each one does. 01:09:54.960 --> 01:10:04.560 Um well our our our goal is always to focus on um you know uh skin, skin that's that's optimized and working really well. 01:10:04.560 --> 01:10:12.000 Um the silky peach cream has the estriol in it, um, which helps the skin stay supple and plump. 01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:26.000 Um, we have our progesterone cream, um, and that also has a lot of ingredients which are known for the antibacterial, for anti-inflammatory, for um,

you know, for again for skin health in it. 01:10:26.000 --> 01:10:30.239 So that that's another skin cream that contains that progesterone. 01:10:30.239 --> 01:10:34.960 Um, we do have a DHEA cream, um, that's our rebounce. 01:10:34.960 --> 01:10:36.239 I'm interested. 01:10:36.239 --> 01:10:40.319 Um and we came up with that one because I'm like, it's me. 01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:41.760 I feel like a kangaroo again. 01:10:44.239 --> 01:10:45.199 I love that. 01:10:45.439 --> 01:10:49.199 Oh, rebouncing back. 01:10:49.199 --> 01:10:53.920 Um, and then we have a cream that's really good for a nighttime routine. 01:10:53.920 --> 01:11:02.239 You know, if it's been a really busy day, um, a lot going on, and the brain's just like and you're like, stop, stop, me all the time. 01:11:02.239 --> 01:11:18.880 So uh the the chaos calmer is is very good for incorporating into a nighttime routine, you know, or or or or during the day, you know, perhaps you know, one thing after another after another after another happens, and your brain's just like like a cartoon like steam. 01:11:18.880 --> 01:11:24.399 Um, that can help with that, um, sort of you know calming self-care. 01:11:24.399 --> 01:11:34.239 Um then we have our which is our um face and neck cream, um, which I absolutely love. 01:11:34.720 --> 01:11:35.840 You look amazing, by the way. 01:11:35.840 --> 01:11:38.800 I just have to say, like seriously, you look amazing. 01:11:38.800 --> 01:11:43.359 So I uh tell us more about this, please, because I'm spending a lot of money on face creams at night. 01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:49.600 So our I've never been a really been a face cream person at all my whole life. 01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:58.159 Um, and yeah, once we brought more wow out, um, I just love how that feels on my skin. 01:11:58.159 --> 01:12:01.600 It's um I think we've had it out what three years now. 01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:03.680 Um, and I have just stuck with it. 01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:06.000 I just love the feel of it on the skin. 01:12:06.000 --> 01:12:08.399 And so, I mean, it seems to be working. 01:12:08.560 --> 01:12:09.039 It works. 01:12:09.039 --> 01:12:10.079 It would clearly work. 01:12:10.079 --> 01:12:13.119 I love it. 01:12:13.119 --> 01:12:14.159 I love it. 01:12:15.439 --> 01:12:32.319 And then um, so uh then the the last thing that we have on there is our um is uh it's not ours, but it's a product that we um can highly recommend, um, which is uh BioNube BioNude Lube by Um Good Clean Love. 01:12:32.319 --> 01:12:40.640 Um that company is really focused on producing products that really match the pH of the body. 01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:45.920 Um and also there's something called osmolity, osmolality rather. 01:12:45.920 --> 01:12:53.920 Um it's like the water quantity, water content um of your skin needs to match the lube that you're putting onto it. 01:12:53.920 --> 01:12:59.439 Otherwise, if it's if it's off, you've got to draw water one way or draw water the other way. 01:12:59.439

--> 01:13:03.119 So you you you need to kind of match it. 01:13:03.119 --> 01:13:08.239 Um and the buy-new lube, it's I mean it does. 01:13:08.239 --> 01:13:11.199 We we we did extensive research too, you know. 01:13:11.199 --> 01:13:13.600 It's it's it's a hard job working apart. 01:13:18.640 --> 01:13:20.239 Yeah, like all back. 01:13:20.239 --> 01:13:23.119 Oh, yeah, we know a lot about each other. 01:13:23.439 --> 01:13:25.760 More than you normally do in a work environment. 01:13:25.760 --> 01:13:26.720 I will say that. 01:13:26.880 --> 01:13:29.920 I feel like it's like gotta be like the best Monday morning meeting. 01:13:30.079 --> 01:13:33.039 Okay, everybody, bring your research to the table. 01:13:34.079 --> 01:13:36.000 My glasses just fell off my head. 01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:37.119 That's how hard I'm gonna. 01:13:37.119 --> 01:13:40.319 I'm gonna put my hat back on because I need something on top of my head. 01:13:40.319 --> 01:13:41.279 Go ahead. 01:13:41.279 --> 01:13:44.560 Oh my god, I love that. 01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:46.079 Does it spell that first? 01:13:46.079 --> 01:13:47.119 So, how do you what is that? 01:13:47.119 --> 01:13:48.239 How do you spell that? 01:13:48.479 --> 01:13:50.319 Uh it's on my nightstand over there. 01:13:50.319 --> 01:13:51.359 I can just spell it. 01:13:51.760 --> 01:13:52.720 Let me go get that. 01:13:52.880 --> 01:13:54.720 Yes, go get it, go get it, go get it. 01:13:54.800 --> 01:13:55.760 I love that. 01:13:55.760 --> 01:13:56.960 Oh my gosh. 01:13:56.960 --> 01:13:58.560 This is this is amazing. 01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:02.479 Like, I I love talking to people who know what they're talking about. 01:14:02.479 --> 01:14:03.520 I know. 01:14:05.119 --> 01:14:05.520 Yes. 01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:07.039 My mind is blown. 01:14:07.039 --> 01:14:07.840 Totally. 01:14:07.840 --> 01:14:09.039 All right, tell us, Kate. 01:14:09.279 --> 01:14:11.359 This is another woman-owned company. 01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:14.239 Um, so this is clean love. 01:14:14.239 --> 01:14:14.800 Yeah. 01:14:14.800 --> 01:14:17.279 So we're bio nude glue. 01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:18.800 Yeah, it's good for your skin. 01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:20.800 I mean, it's just really good for your skin. 01:14:20.800 --> 01:14:23.279 It just it and it really works for its purpose. 01:14:23.279 --> 01:14:24.079 Yes. 01:14:24.079 --> 01:14:25.439 So yeah. 01:14:25.439 --> 01:14:26.720 I'll take my hat off again. 01:14:27.039 --> 01:14:31.199 I'm so excited for the dopamine hit I'm gonna get when I go online later and start shopping. 01:14:31.199 --> 01:14:32.159 I know. 01:14:36.479 --> 01:14:38.399 What is the best thing ever? 01:14:38.399 --> 01:14:44.640 Like, I don't know about you, but like right as I'm falling asleep, I'm like, oh, I wonder, oh, I should buy that. 01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:49.039 With my ADHD, I don't remember what I've bought. 01:14:49.039 --> 01:14:51.920 So when it shows up, I'm like, oh, it's Christmas happen. 01:14:52.880 --> 01:14:55.199 Meanwhile, my husband is like, Dominique. 01:14:55.199 --> 01:14:57.359 Another fucking box where it's 20 minutes. 01:14:59.439 --> 01:15:01.439 Oh my god, Ian and Johnny would have so much. 01:15:02.000 --> 01:15:04.560 He's made the stamp return to sender and it just like. 01:15:04.560 --> 01:15:08.960 I mean, you order the stuff, it doesn't arrive. 01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:10.880 He's intercepting it, he's sending it right back. 01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:12.159 He's like, I don't know what happened. 01:15:12.159 --> 01:15:13.760 Did you put the right address in, Dominique? 01:15:13.760 --> 01:15:15.680 You've made that mistake before. 01:15:17.199 --> 01:15:18.560 Oh, I love it. 01:15:18.560 --> 01:15:22.399 Um, do we know of anybody who's earned their white pants lately? 01:15:22.399 --> 01:15:25.199 Kate, do you know about the white pants party? 01:15:25.199 --> 01:15:27.840 Oh, let's talk about the white pants party. 01:15:27.840 --> 01:15:41.039 So um, we feel like, you know, as as other places, you know, give the shout out to birthdays like Smuckers has their thing on Good Morning America, where if you turn 100, you get a shout out. 01:15:41.039 --> 01:16:05.039 We think it should be a celebration when you hit your menopausal day, where it's like we should have everybody like put together a registry for the coolest white pants, white skirt, white sheets, like the light-colored stuff that you always were afraid you were going to accidentally stain and have a white pants party. 01:16:05.039 --> 01:16:12.159 And so the celebration of the menopausal anniversary is our white pants party. 01:16:12.159 --> 01:16:19.279 And so, like, I hit my I earned my white pants when I was 48 and Dom is waiting for her white pants party. 01:16:19.279 --> 01:16:21.279 I want my white pants so bad. 01:16:21.279 --> 01:16:24.880 So, do we know anybody recently? 01:16:24.880 --> 01:16:26.319 My sister, poor girl. 01:16:26.319 --> 01:16:32.479 I I just heard from her today, and she said, It's been 61 days, and I just started spotting. 01:16:32.479 --> 01:16:35.039 And like he was like, I was hoping. 01:16:35.039 --> 01:16:36.399 I was like, Oh, I'm done. 01:16:36.399 --> 01:16:41.680 My my longest stretch was nine months before I restarted the clock, and I was so mad. 01:16:41.680 --> 01:16:47.840 Um, but when I finally hit that white pants part party, I was like, I'm done. 01:16:48.800 --> 01:16:52.800 Well, Kate, Kate, I believe you said in your intro that you're part of the club. 01:16:53.199 --> 01:16:54.720 Oh, yes, definitely. 01:16:54.720 --> 01:17:00.159 I mean, I was probably 52 when I had my last period. 01:17:00.159 --> 01:17:01.520 Oh well, or when I hit that. 01:17:01.520 --> 01:17:05.680 So 51 when I had my last period, like the mother of all periods. 01:17:05.680 --> 01:17:08.960 It's like I was draining, I don't know how many months worth. 01:17:08.960 --> 01:17:10.880 Um, seemed to last for days. 01:17:11.039 --> 01:17:11.359 Yeah.

01:17:11.840 --> 01:17:16.079 And then and you know, then you're just like, oh, okay, all right, start the clock. 01:17:16.079 --> 01:17:21.119 Um, so I was probably like 60, 52, and I'm 64 now, so you know. 01:17:21.119 --> 01:17:22.239 Oh, great. 01:17:22.239 --> 01:17:34.479 Yeah, to the to the um as our company was growing, um, you know, our our one of our early employees to help with packing was uh was Pat, who's in her 80s. 01:17:34.479 --> 01:17:36.479 I mean, this woman is incredible. 01:17:36.479 --> 01:17:38.239 And then Goldie joined us. 01:17:38.239 --> 01:17:40.319 She was she's in her 70s. 01:17:40.319 --> 01:17:46.239 Um, and it was quite a while before we had younger women on the team. 01:17:46.239 --> 01:17:50.319 And then all of a sudden, you know, one of them's like, Does anyone have a tampon? 01:17:50.319 --> 01:17:58.399 I'm like, Oh, there are all people in the world who still get a period. 01:17:58.399 --> 01:18:05.520 You forget, you do, you totally forget. 01:18:05.520 --> 01:18:12.479 I'm like, I must go to the store and get um you know, tampons and pads and have in the office. 01:18:12.479 --> 01:18:16.319 Like it was so long ago. 01:18:16.319 --> 01:18:16.960 Yeah. 01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:24.399 My my husband's aunt, who's about seven years older than we are, uh, I was like, Oh, we're doing this podcast, you should come listen. 01:18:24.399 --> 01:18:26.640 She's like, I don't want to relive that. 01:18:26.640 --> 01:18:27.520 Thank you very much. 01:18:27.520 --> 01:18:33.840 And I'm like, fair, fair. 01:18:35.039 --> 01:18:39.600 Like thinking back to the things that you did in your teenage years, you're like, I am not that person, please don't bring it back. 01:18:39.600 --> 01:18:41.680 Please no. 01:18:41.680 --> 01:18:44.000 No more, no more. 01:18:44.880 --> 01:18:45.760 Oh my god. 01:18:45.760 --> 01:18:46.079 Yeah. 01:18:46.079 --> 01:18:56.640 But yeah, do we have if if you listening have earned your white pants recently, or if you know somebody who has earned their white pants, please send us a shout out. 01:18:56.640 --> 01:18:58.800 First name and age is fine. 01:18:58.800 --> 01:19:10.079 Or if you just want to say anonymous, I earn why my my white pants, and I'm so excited, please send it to bitches in heat podcast at gmail.com and we will give you a shout out on the podcast. 01:19:10.079 --> 01:19:13.840 We are very excited for you and we think it should be celebrated. 01:19:13.840 --> 01:19:16.000 Awesome. 01:19:16.000 --> 01:19:22.239 Do we have any like books or articles or blogs that we want to uh recommend for this episode? 01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:27.680 Well, I do believe, Marnie, when you were introducing Kate, that Kate wrote a book. 01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:29.119 She did write a book. 01:19:29.119 --> 01:19:31.199 Kate, will you tell us about your book, please? 01:19:31.199 --> 01:19:35.520 Um, yeah, this was a quest to translate science. 01:19:35.520 --> 01:19:45.039 Because what I was finding right is I was going to these you know medical conferences and I had been learning all this stuff, and I love science and I love to teach. 01:19:45.039 --> 01:19:48.720 I and I I I just want people to know that they have options. 01:19:48.720 --> 01:19:59.520 And so this book, uh, you know, um a forecast for health, understanding your potential for lifelong wellness, you know, it was really like trying to distill a lot of what I've been learning. 01:19:59.520 --> 01:20:16.239 So there's a chapter on sleep and the importance of sleep, and it goes into hormones, there's one chapter on nutrition, there's a a chapter on pain and inflammation, like really what's going on what's actually going on in the body, um, and and how can you inter, you know, uh interfere with it in a positive way. 01:20:16.239 --> 01:20:20.479 Um, exercise, and then the kind of chapter on stress as well. 01:20:20.479 --> 01:20:27.119 And um, you know, that starts with if there's one thing you're gonna take away from this book is that too much stress will kill you. 01:20:27.119 --> 01:20:42.640 Um and then the the last chapter is like readiness for change, um, because uh not every everyone can, you know, anybody can read information, but are you ready to make the changes that that help you you know stay and be healthy for a long, long, long time? 01:20:42.640 --> 01:20:47.520 I want to live till I'm in my 90s, but I want to be vibrant for that whole time. 01:20:47.520 --> 01:20:51.520 Um and I and I want that other people have the resources to be able to do that. 01:20:51.520 --> 01:20:53.199 So that's that's why I wrote that. 01:20:53.199 --> 01:21:00.239 It's and it's it's a it is a biochemistry book, but it's distilled biochemistry. 01:21:00.239 --> 01:21:04.399 Um, and I like to tell stories um when I write. 01:21:04.399 --> 01:21:08.399 And so I've tried to come at it from that point of view to kind of make it accessible. 01:21:08.399 --> 01:21:15.119 So but I I actually have a couple of um other books that I would love to mention to you. 01:21:15.119 --> 01:21:16.319 Yes, please do. 01:21:16.319 --> 01:21:22.800 Um so there's a book by um Tams and Fidel. 01:21:22.800 --> 01:21:25.119 Um how to menopause. 01:21:25.119 --> 01:21:36.800 Um I think and because she's you know, she's used to being in the limelight, she's she's really um stepping in and owning a space on this, and I you know highly want to support her in that work. 01:21:36.800 --> 01:21:46.960 Um there's uh um there's a book called uh Women Waking Up by Wendy Valentine. 01:21:46.960 --> 01:21:47.760 I don't know this. 01:21:47.760 --> 01:21:50.399 Um and I highly recommend that. 01:21:50.399 --> 01:21:58.239 Um again, it's she's got some step-by-steps in it's her story, um, which is you know very um very inspiring. 01:21:58.239 --> 01:22:07.199 Um, but she's got some steps in there to to help women uh who have felt um uh unable to act. 01:22:07.199 --> 01:22:10.399 And I think you know the steps that she puts in

there helps people do that. 01:22:10.399 --> 01:22:18.399 Um and then I think it's uh Sarah Sarah Ridden Flawed, a woman's guide to pelvic floor health at every age and stage. 01:22:18.399 --> 01:22:30.800 So that one, as we were talking about earlier, you know, this this new knowledge of like, oh yes, and it's it's not just you know vagina health, it's bladder health too. 01:22:30.800 --> 01:22:31.840 So yeah. 01:22:31.840 --> 01:22:34.880 Um so those would be my thoughts. 01:22:35.199 --> 01:22:36.399 Thank you for that. 01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:38.239 I'm so excited. 01:22:38.479 --> 01:22:46.880 Yes, but being that we are audiobook narrators, like a good book is like, oh please, yes. 01:22:46.880 --> 01:22:50.800 First hand, does your your book have an audiobook with it? 01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:51.520 Did you make it? 01:22:51.680 --> 01:22:53.439 You know, I did record it. 01:22:53.439 --> 01:22:59.520 Um and so here's the thing. 01:22:59.520 --> 01:23:04.000 One one thing I'm not, it's not I'm not much of a promoter, I'm the scientist. 01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:07.760 I it needs other people to come along and say, Oh yeah, I'll run with that. 01:23:07.760 --> 01:23:13.439 And um, I I did try some of that uh promotion for a while, but I'm like, oh no, I've done. 01:23:13.439 --> 01:23:14.399 I'm done. 01:23:14.960 --> 01:23:19.279 Well, now you have a podcast that is hosted by audiobook narrators. 01:23:19.279 --> 01:23:23.520 We're saying go how to get the audiobook of Kate Wells. 01:23:23.520 --> 01:23:27.119 Um more time. 01:23:27.359 --> 01:23:32.640 Um, a forecast for health, understanding your potential for lifelong wellness. 01:23:32.640 --> 01:23:34.239 And people can email me. 01:23:34.239 --> 01:23:35.600 I've got copies. 01:23:35.600 --> 01:23:41.119 Um and uh I'm more than happy to awesome. 01:23:41.119 --> 01:23:45.039 Yeah, they can just um email me Kate at parlay-engames.com. 01:23:45.279 --> 01:23:47.840 Kate at parlergames.com. 01:23:47.840 --> 01:23:48.800 That's amazing. 01:23:48.800 --> 01:23:54.960 So yeah, no, I'm totally gonna check out your your uh audiobook because I can't eyeball read anymore. 01:23:54.960 --> 01:23:56.159 I fall asleep. 01:23:56.159 --> 01:23:58.319 That's like my ADHD thing. 01:23:58.319 --> 01:24:00.800 It's like it's like hypnotism, right? 01:24:00.800 --> 01:24:02.720 It's like follow the bouncing. 01:24:02.960 --> 01:24:07.119 I'm trying to think, do I even have that available anymore? 01:24:07.119 --> 01:24:09.359 Um, I don't know. 01:24:09.359 --> 01:24:11.439 I'll have to go look. 01:24:11.439 --> 01:24:13.039 All right. 01:24:13.039 --> 01:24:16.720 And then the next are like, oh, and polygames are like, oh, that's it. 01:24:16.800 --> 01:24:18.560 You know, all right. 01:24:18.560 --> 01:24:21.840 Well, we will link to it in the show notes if it is available. 01:24:21.840 --> 01:24:26.079 And and if it's not, we'll talk to Kate about getting it available. 01:24:26.079 --> 01:24:29.039 That's awesome. 01:24:29.039 --> 01:24:30.399 Oh my gosh. 01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:33.119 Dom, did you have anything to add to that? 01:24:33.920 --> 01:24:34.239 No. 01:24:34.239 --> 01:24:40.399 The woman is speechless for the first time I think. 01:24:43.520 --> 01:24:47.840 You know, the one dumb's been drinking whiskey for the last hour and having had it. 01:24:49.840 --> 01:24:52.159 We didn't talk about itchy ears. 01:24:52.159 --> 01:24:54.399 Does anybody have anything to help? 01:24:54.399 --> 01:24:55.840 Itchy ears. 01:24:55.840 --> 01:24:59.359 Like, that's like that's another dryness thing, right? 01:24:59.359 --> 01:25:02.880 Itchy ears has got to be dryness, isn't it? 01:25:02.880 --> 01:25:03.680 Yeah. 01:25:03.680 --> 01:25:06.319 Never heard of that one. 01:25:06.319 --> 01:25:08.399 No, no, it's a thing. 01:25:08.399 --> 01:25:10.880 Yeah, like yeah, we all have homework. 01:25:10.880 --> 01:25:12.079 And now we all have homework. 01:25:12.079 --> 01:25:14.239 So itchy ears, we'll find something for itchy ears. 01:25:14.239 --> 01:25:19.840 Like, uh, it's short of like sticking a q-tip in there and really like scratching away. 01:25:19.840 --> 01:25:23.039 Um, but yeah, it's it's the weirdest thing. 01:25:23.039 --> 01:25:24.319 Itchy ears. 01:25:24.319 --> 01:25:36.800 Anyway, but Kate, since we're wrapping up here, uh, what's a piece of advice or knowledge you could pass along to someone that either floored you when you found out or could make another Hottie's life better? 01:25:38.319 --> 01:25:48.159 Um don't be afraid to advocate for yourself, educate yourself and advocate for yourself because you are worth it. 01:25:48.159 --> 01:25:50.800 Thank you so much for that. 01:25:51.520 --> 01:25:53.039 Yeah, yeah. 01:25:53.039 --> 01:25:58.159 Thank you so much for joining us, Kate. 01:25:58.159 --> 01:26:02.960 It's this is just a pleasure hanging out with you. 01:26:02.960 --> 01:26:13.600 You said you put a few women in a room together and you laugh, but you've also blown our minds with so many amazing nuggets that we're all away with. 01:26:14.319 --> 01:26:14.640 Yes. 01:26:14.640 --> 01:26:18.159 I'm glad it's been really helpful and it has been lovely. 01:26:18.159 --> 01:26:20.800 I mean, what a great way to spend my afternoons. 01:26:24.079 --> 01:26:27.520 Thank you so much for coming on with us. 01:26:27.520 --> 01:26:34.399 And remember that we've got parlor hyphengames.com is where you can find Kate and all her products. 01:26:34.399 --> 01:26:37.119 Um, we will have a link in the show notes. 01:26:37.119 --> 01:26:40.960 That's going to be an affiliate link for all of you who are listening. 01:26:40.960 --> 01:26:56.319 Um, please also check out their podcast, Modern Menopause, because a lot of the things that we're talking about, they're also talking about over there, but from a very medical point of view, um, we do all the bitching and they do all the solution-based stuff. 01:26:56.319 --> 01:26:58.239 So definitely so good. 01:26:58.239 --> 01:26:59.600 It is so good. 01:26:59.600 --> 01:27:01.039 It's wonderful. 01:27:01.039 --> 01:27:11.840 And um, and so we want to, as always, send out our special thanks to our editor, John Detty, and to our Hotties in the chat. 01:27:12.079 --> 01:27:14.640 Thank you so much for joining us today. 01:27:14.880 --> 01:27:21.439 So, until next time, hotties, talk to each other because nobody else is going to. 01:27:21.439 --> 01:27:28.079 Bitches and Heat Podcast is a co-production of Marnie Perrin Nurration LLC and Dom Salvation. 01:27:28.079 --> 01:27:32.640 Dom and Marnie are not medical professionals, and their advice should not be construed as such. 01:27:32.640 --> 01:27:37.359 They're just a couple of middle-aged hotties bitching about perimetopause and everything that surrounds it. 01:27:37.359 --> 01:27:44.239 If you'd like to join us for a live recording, you can become a supporter of the podcast and check out our Hottie's merch at bitchesandheatpodcast.com. 01:27:44.239 --> 01:27:47.199 Make sure you add the word podcast, or you won't reach us. 01:27:47.199 --> 01:27:49.520 The other is a very different website. 01:27:49.520 --> 01:27:54.800 If you have a suggestion for a future podcast, write to us at bitchesandheatpodcast at gmail.com. 01:27:54.800 --> 01:27:59.920 Or if you just want Hottie's merch, go straight to shop.bitchesandheatpodcast.com. 01:27:59.920 --> 01:28:03.039 Our podcast is edited by John Detty of Detty Studios. 01:28:03.039 --> 01:28:10.479 Please note that no part of this audio may be used or reproduced in any manner for the purpose of training artificial intelligence technologies or systems. 01:28:10.479 --> 01:28:14.399 Copyright 2026, all rights reserved.