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Once a month 74 00:03:33.439 --> 00:03:35.819 they have one of these cards that is on the 75 00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:40.430 linear cable channel and on HBO Max, etc., to be 76 00:03:40.469 --> 00:03:42.930 able to see it through Turner and their outlets Diego 77 00:03:42.969 --> 00:03:46.030 Pacheco is the main event super middleweight contender in what 78 00:03:46.090 --> 00:03:49.830 is a very busy division at 168 Darius Fulgham is 79 00:03:49.870 --> 00:03:52.520 the opponent so let's talk about that one in the 80 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:55.219 preview mode here to get things underway your thoughts. 81 00:03:56.379 --> 00:03:58.340 I don't love this fight as a main event to 82 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:00.560 be quite honest with you I feel like uh Diego 83 00:04:00.580 --> 00:04:03.889 Pacheco has been a good prospect now contender for the 84 00:04:03.909 --> 00:04:07.340 last few years he's only 25 still young But as 85 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:09.099 I've watched him over the last number of fights, it 86 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:11.759 seems to me that he has plateaued. Perhaps that can 87 00:04:11.800 --> 00:04:15.000 change now that he's changed trainers. Maybe Buddy McGirt can 88 00:04:15.379 --> 00:04:17.600 inject some new life into him that maybe was flat 89 00:04:17.639 --> 00:04:21.120 or missing or, you know, something lost in translations, you know, 90 00:04:21.139 --> 00:04:24.629 so to speak, with the previous trainer that was Jose 91 00:04:24.670 --> 00:04:28.329 Benavidez Sr. So now he takes on Darius Fulgham, who's 92 00:04:28.430 --> 00:04:32.490 a golden boy fighter, who has shown promise, you know, 93 00:04:32.509 --> 00:04:37.000 has maybe been a slightly bit inconsistent, you know, The 94 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:39.819 only loss of his career was a decision to Beck 95 00:04:39.860 --> 00:04:43.459 Tamir of Melikuzia, who's the mandatory challenger now for Jaime 96 00:04:43.500 --> 00:04:46.660 Munguia for one of the titles at super middleweight. As 97 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:49.160 far as Pacheco goes, look, the fight's taking place in Carson, 98 00:04:49.199 --> 00:04:52.819 California at the tennis center there. He's from East LA. 99 00:04:52.860 --> 00:04:56.079 It's essentially a hometown fight for Diego. It's where he 100 00:04:56.110 --> 00:04:59.149 fought his last fight. But this is not, in my mind, 101 00:04:59.189 --> 00:05:00.949 that big of a step up or step back. It's 102 00:05:00.990 --> 00:05:03.470 sort of like on the same line. Maybe Fulgham's a 103 00:05:03.490 --> 00:05:06.430 little better. Then Emmanuel Alim maybe has more promise than 104 00:05:06.470 --> 00:05:09.029 Emmanuel Alim, who was his last opponent, which was not 105 00:05:09.050 --> 00:05:12.629 the most impressive performance I ever saw. And the thing 106 00:05:12.649 --> 00:05:14.779 that I can't help but think about when I hear 107 00:05:14.839 --> 00:05:17.100 this fight talked about, and, you know, and I don't 108 00:05:17.139 --> 00:05:19.980 blame Mattroom and Eddie and the promoters who, you know, 109 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:24.040 position it as though, hey, you know, we win this fight. 110 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:25.800 You know, if Diego wins this fight, we're on to 111 00:05:25.819 --> 00:05:27.779 maybe a world title fight. You know, it's the next step. 112 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:31.019 And I'm like, you can't put up a lie narrative. 113 00:05:31.060 --> 00:05:32.680 Don't put up a fraud narrative. Don't put up a 114 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:36.610 fake narrative. Diego Pacheco has had multiple opportunities where he's 115 00:05:36.629 --> 00:05:39.110 been in position to get world title fights as a mandatory. 116 00:05:39.569 --> 00:05:41.850 And for his own reasons has turned them down. I 117 00:05:41.910 --> 00:05:44.050 understand at least one of those, because he was right 118 00:05:44.069 --> 00:05:47.240 in the moment where he's changing management team and trainer. 119 00:05:47.360 --> 00:05:50.120 And a lot of stuff was going on with his contract. 120 00:05:50.220 --> 00:05:52.399 I get that. But the second one was sort of like, 121 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:56.519 you know, why are we turning down a world championship fight? 122 00:05:56.540 --> 00:05:58.879 So this is not going to get in the world 123 00:05:58.899 --> 00:06:01.980 title fight. He's already been in that position multiple times. So, that, 124 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:03.360 that sort of takes a little bit of the luster 125 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:05.899 off it for me. Now, action wise could be solid. 126 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:09.060 Fulgham is a good puncher, has made some good fights. Um, 127 00:06:09.279 --> 00:06:11.439 he's a Houston fighter. He is one, one in one 128 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:13.639 in his last three. As I mentioned, he's got the 129 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:17.740 loss to Malacuzia. He had the, to me, this was the, the, uh, 130 00:06:18.360 --> 00:06:20.879 the rough one. He had to draw with, uh, David Stevens. 131 00:06:21.300 --> 00:06:23.319 That was not a good result for him. Uh, and 132 00:06:23.339 --> 00:06:24.620 then he also had a, you know, a kind of 133 00:06:24.660 --> 00:06:27.689 a knockover easy go and win back in May. Um, 134 00:06:28.329 --> 00:06:31.350 Let Darius Fulgham prove many of us wrong that he 135 00:06:31.430 --> 00:06:34.009 is up for the task to be a bona fide contender. 136 00:06:34.500 --> 00:06:37.720 Let Pacheco shine and look good, not just win, but 137 00:06:37.759 --> 00:06:40.160 look good for a change. You know, if you go 138 00:06:40.180 --> 00:06:43.100 back to like another fight back or so when he 139 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:47.240 fought Lele Sajo, very shaky performance. So, you know, it's 140 00:06:47.279 --> 00:06:49.259 time for him to show the promise that he has 141 00:06:49.300 --> 00:06:52.670 displayed in the past. And if he wants that title shot, man, 142 00:06:52.689 -->

00:06:54.160 it's going to be there for him. Just go get it. 143 00:06:54.209 --> 00:06:56.139 But I don't like this fight as a main event 144 00:06:56.180 --> 00:06:56.620 for this show. 145 00:06:56.639 --> 00:06:59.300 So Aleem, the KO came in the 11th round of 146 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:02.500 the previous fight. The previous three fights all went the distance, 147 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:05.959 including with Trevor McCombie and the veteran Steve Nelson also. 148 00:07:06.620 --> 00:07:09.680 So are there some questions? I guess there are, and 149 00:07:09.720 --> 00:07:12.819 he can answer it, I guess, about his punching power. 150 00:07:13.120 --> 00:07:14.930 That's what you were just making mention of. We'll see. 151 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:17.230 We'll see if he can pull him up, put him down, 152 00:07:17.290 --> 00:07:18.790 hurt him. We'll see. We're about to find out. 153 00:07:19.269 --> 00:07:20.970 I mean, I think, TJ, we've done the show long 154 00:07:20.990 --> 00:07:22.709 enough where you know that I've never been one to 155 00:07:23.209 --> 00:07:26.120 downgrade a fighter because he doesn't get a knockout. That 156 00:07:26.139 --> 00:07:27.600 if you go the distance and you win, but you 157 00:07:27.620 --> 00:07:29.500 can still look good in a win, even if it 158 00:07:29.540 --> 00:07:32.560 goes the route. So I don't hold it against Pacheco 159 00:07:32.620 --> 00:07:34.459 at all when I make an assessment of my thoughts 160 00:07:34.480 --> 00:07:36.240 about him, that he has been on a little bit 161 00:07:36.279 --> 00:07:38.420 of a run where he hasn't been getting knockouts. That 162 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:41.899 frankly does not even enter my mind. It's, do you 163 00:07:41.920 --> 00:07:44.199 look sharp? Are you showing improvements from your past fights? 164 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:46.160 And you can have improvements even if that does not 165 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:49.160 end in a knockout. So it's not about, to me, 166 00:07:49.180 --> 00:07:51.060 not getting, it's not about getting a knockout or not 167 00:07:51.110 --> 00:07:53.920 getting a knockout. I want to see You know, you 168 00:07:53.959 --> 00:07:56.019 live up to the promise as you looked earlier in 169 00:07:56.060 --> 00:07:58.319 your career. And the thing that is more to me 170 00:07:58.379 --> 00:08:01.310 is a big thing is you're not stepping up your opposition. 171 00:08:01.589 --> 00:08:03.470 Like all the guys he's been fighting in the last 172 00:08:03.529 --> 00:08:05.730 few fights have all been in like that same sort 173 00:08:05.769 --> 00:08:08.430 of realm of opponents. 174 00:08:08.529 --> 00:08:10.430 Probably like a C-class fighter. 175 00:08:10.449 --> 00:08:14.879 Maybe even a little better than that, you know, but again, 176 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:16.540 not A-level fighters is the point. 177 00:08:18.269 --> 00:08:21.230 All right. For the record, he had 19 knockouts in 178 00:08:21.269 --> 00:08:24.029 his first 22 fights. He's got one in the last four. 179 00:08:24.050 --> 00:08:24.449 We'll see. 180 00:08:24.689 --> 00:08:28.529 Because the competition has gotten a little better. He did get. 181 00:08:28.430 --> 00:08:33.200 The stoppage against Aleem in the 11th round. But getting there, 182 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:36.000 and that was his first fight that he had with 183 00:08:36.220 --> 00:08:39.720 McGirt after splitting up with Benavidez Sr. But even in 184 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:42.759 the knockout win, it was just like it kind of 185 00:08:42.779 --> 00:08:44.759 was like an okay performance. In other words, I think 186 00:08:44.779 --> 00:08:47.860 you can have a knockout And on the way to 187 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:50.500 the knockout, be very pedestrian. You could also have a 188 00:08:50.559 --> 00:08:53.720 beautiful performance and not get the knockout and get much 189 00:08:53.740 --> 00:08:56.299 higher marks, at least for me. All right. 190 00:08:56.480 --> 00:09:01.059 And the co-feature on this matchroom card is Anthony Olaskawa, 191 00:09:01.100 --> 00:09:03.799 who is the WBO flyweight champion. He's got a defense 192 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:06.039 against an opponent. We did not go over the name. 193 00:09:06.059 --> 00:09:08.580 Euburgen Martinez. Close enough. 194 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:09.240 Good job. 195 00:09:10.620 --> 00:09:13.210 So tell me more about Olaskawa in action here. 196 00:09:13.940 --> 00:09:16.639 I like Olaskogu a lot. He's gotten much better. He's 197 00:09:16.700 --> 00:09:19.490 exciting to watch. He doesn't have a ton of experience professionally. 198 00:09:19.549 --> 00:09:23.429 He's 12-1 with nine knockouts. He's only 27 years old. 199 00:09:23.490 --> 00:09:26.190 He's going to, I'm sure, sell some tickets. He's from 200 00:09:26.230 --> 00:09:29.129 Los Angeles. He's very excited to have a defense in 201 00:09:29.149 --> 00:09:31.460 Los Angeles because, for the most part, he's fought his 202 00:09:31.519 --> 00:09:34.740 career in Japan because he's been with Tekin Boxing with Mr. Honda. 203 00:09:34.779 --> 00:09:37.360 But he recently signed a deal with Matrim to be 204 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:41.240 co-promoted by Matrim as well as Tekin. So this will 205 00:09:41.259 --> 00:09:43.769 be his first fight. under that part of the deal. 206 00:09:43.789 --> 00:09:45.629 So he's going to be the co-feature on this matchroom card. 207 00:09:46.110 --> 00:09:47.889 He's going to be making a sixth title defense. So 208 00:09:47.909 --> 00:09:50.049 he's had the belt for a while, trained by the 209 00:09:50.049 --> 00:09:52.799 outstanding Rudy Hernandez, who got a lot of love because 210 00:09:52.799 --> 00:09:55.259 of the way he's handled the career. Gento Nakatani is 211 00:09:55.259 --> 00:09:57.950 another guy in the stable. He trains with Gento Nakatani 212 00:09:57.950 --> 00:10:00.200 all the time. And he's defending the title. like I said, 213 00:10:00.220 --> 00:10:03.500 for the sixth time. Now, Martinez,

who's the opponent, he's 214 00:10:03.519 --> 00:10:05.720 a little older at 34 years old. He's only 7-0 215 00:10:06.840 --> 00:10:11.120 with seven knockouts. But Martinez is a two-time Olympian. I mean, 216 00:10:11.139 --> 00:10:15.799 he's got tremendous amounts of experience from Columbia. And so 217 00:10:16.250 --> 00:10:18.129 even though you look at that record, he's only 7-0, 218 00:10:18.350 --> 00:10:20.639 you got to remember the vast experience that he has 219 00:10:20.700 --> 00:10:22.990 had as an amateur, which is why he's able to, 220 00:10:23.370 --> 00:10:25.610 you know, only have seven fights and get to a 221 00:10:25.629 --> 00:10:28.590 world title fight, especially in the flyweight division where it's 222 00:10:28.629 --> 00:10:30.350 a lot easier maybe to get those title shots in 223 00:10:30.370 --> 00:10:33.509 the small, small weight classes compared to when you're in 224 00:10:33.909 --> 00:10:36.210 a bigger weight class where there's a little bit more competition. 225 00:10:37.230 --> 00:10:39.570 So I do think this is, like, I can't tell 226 00:10:39.590 --> 00:10:44.620 you I'm an expert about Martinez, but I've watched I'm 227 00:10:44.659 --> 00:10:46.159 not even like, I'm kind of embarrassed to say this. 228 00:10:46.220 --> 00:10:49.039 Elvis Scott was 13 and one. I think I've probably 229 00:10:49.059 --> 00:10:51.419 seen all 13 of his pro fights. I was in 230 00:10:51.440 --> 00:10:53.659 the one time where he defended the title in Las 231 00:10:53.710 --> 00:10:56.889 Vegas around this time last year. He fought a couple 232 00:10:56.909 --> 00:10:59.610 of nights before Canelo Crawford. I was there ringside sitting 233 00:10:59.629 --> 00:11:02.990 with our boy Turkey Al-Sheikh watching that fight. So he's 234 00:11:03.029 --> 00:11:05.149 a very exciting fighter. I like him a lot. And 235 00:11:05.350 --> 00:11:07.490 he's got a good personality, chill guy, easy going. And 236 00:11:07.529 --> 00:11:09.710 just you got to love him. And we'll see what 237 00:11:09.730 --> 00:11:12.289 he can do with a very experienced amateur, but not 238 00:11:12.330 --> 00:11:13.009 so much as a pro. 239 00:11:13.600 --> 00:11:15.889 The flyweights, the little guys in the co-future. 240 00:11:15.909 --> 00:11:18.539 Oh, by the way, in that decorated amateur career that 241 00:11:18.580 --> 00:11:20.919 Martinez had, he did pick up a silver medal at 242 00:11:20.940 --> 00:11:24.120 the 2016 Rio Olympics. I mean, he didn't just go 243 00:11:24.139 --> 00:11:26.879 for a cup of coffee. He actually advanced into the 244 00:11:26.899 --> 00:11:28.639 tournament and got a medal. 245 00:11:28.700 --> 00:11:32.440 Good on him. Okay, earlier in the day, our time, 246 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:37.240 and this will be in Saudi Arabia. You can help 247 00:11:37.259 --> 00:11:39.500 me on whatever the timeline is. It's the Zufa boxing 248 00:11:39.539 --> 00:11:43.110 card with Carlos Adamas in the main event. This is 249 00:11:43.169 --> 00:11:47.470 a super middleweight fight. Again, he's the former WBC middleweight champion. 250 00:11:47.509 --> 00:11:51.299 He's vacated that belt to now go with Zufa and 251 00:11:51.379 --> 00:11:55.139 fight Jerome Warburton. You'll educate us more on him. That 252 00:11:55.200 --> 00:11:58.320 is headlining the card. We saw Denzel Bentley fight and 253 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:01.230 win just last week on a Zufa card. So I 254 00:12:01.259 --> 00:12:03.169 continue to put out there what others in England and 255 00:12:03.190 --> 00:12:05.759 elsewhere have been saying is Adamas may be Now set 256 00:12:05.820 --> 00:12:08.120 up here if he wins to be fighting Bentley in 257 00:12:08.159 --> 00:12:10.440 a Zufa car down a road, we don't know. But 258 00:12:10.460 --> 00:12:13.480 tell me, what kind of threat is Warburton here? 259 00:12:13.539 --> 00:12:16.750 Hold on. Did you see? He is the WBC middleweight champion. 260 00:12:17.389 --> 00:12:20.070 I thought he had to vacate as part of this. 261 00:12:20.110 --> 00:12:21.549 Not yet. Okay, so that has not happened. 262 00:12:21.570 --> 00:12:25.470 He's not vacating. So what happened is the following. Carlos 263 00:12:25.529 --> 00:12:28.649 Adamas not that long ago signed with Zufa Boxing. And 264 00:12:28.690 --> 00:12:29.830 part of that was to get him back in the 265 00:12:29.850 --> 00:12:31.850 ring before the end of the year. Because the timing 266 00:12:31.889 --> 00:12:33.610 of the fight was going to be so close to 267 00:12:33.629 --> 00:12:36.090 when he signed, they made the concession that like, I 268 00:12:36.129 --> 00:12:38.460 can't make the weight that quick. So they signed for 269 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:40.919 this fight at 165 pounds. But before they did it, 270 00:12:41.399 --> 00:12:44.960 unlike Denzel Bentley, Carlos Adamas and his people, they went 271 00:12:44.980 --> 00:12:48.220 through the proper channels. They contacted the WBC. They explained 272 00:12:48.259 --> 00:12:50.759 the situation. They asked that they get that permission to 273 00:12:50.779 --> 00:12:52.860 do an over the weight fight to not defend the title. 274 00:12:53.220 --> 00:12:55.919 He was given that permission, but with certain stipulations, one 275 00:12:55.980 --> 00:12:58.080 is if he loses the fight, the title is vacant. 276 00:12:59.240 --> 00:13:01.919 And two, if he wins the fight, his next bout 277 00:13:02.059 --> 00:13:04.740 after this has to be the mandatory fight. against uh 278 00:13:04.779 --> 00:13:07.580 nurse sultanov so that is the situation in which he 279 00:13:07.620 --> 00:13:09.379 goes into this fight so they're fighting a 10 round 280 00:13:09.840 --> 00:13:10.940 non-title fight but this. 281 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:12.669 Is why i have you here to keep me straight 282 00:13:12.730 --> 00:13:14.090 on all of this crap i got it you. 283 00:13:14.049 --> 00:13:16.009 Make my brain fucking go crazy well. 284 00:13:15.870 --> 00:13:18.669 But i

thought i thought he he had been talking 285 00:13:18.730 --> 00:13:21.809 about vacating the wbc title and moving talking and doing 286 00:13:21.850 --> 00:13:24.789 hold on moving up the super middleweight permanently he never 287 00:13:24.889 --> 00:13:28.259 did that and now this is a contingent thing that 288 00:13:28.299 --> 00:13:32.580 he uh Again, intends to come back, intends, and fight 289 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:33.720 at middleweight. Should he win? 290 00:13:34.179 --> 00:13:37.240 Right. Now, there was conversations back a few months ago 291 00:13:37.659 --> 00:13:39.759 where they had talked to the people at Eye of 292 00:13:39.779 --> 00:13:42.899 the Tiger about the possibility of Adamas, this is before 293 00:13:42.919 --> 00:13:46.070 he signed with Zufa, of him going up in weight 294 00:13:46.230 --> 00:13:49.730 to super middleweight to fight Oles Iglesias for the IBF title. 295 00:13:50.090 --> 00:13:53.070 This is when Adamas was with PBC. That was something 296 00:13:53.090 --> 00:13:56.350 that was discussed. His contract with them ended. They talked 297 00:13:56.370 --> 00:13:59.470 about re-signing. He ultimately didn't re-sign. He ended up doing 298 00:13:59.490 --> 00:14:02.149 the deal with Zufa, but he apparently has every intention 299 00:14:02.190 --> 00:14:05.049 to remain as the WBC's middleweight champion. Certainly he can 300 00:14:05.090 --> 00:14:08.470 change his mind. So he is still the champ going 301 00:14:08.490 --> 00:14:10.649 into this fight. It's just a non-title fight. And the 302 00:14:10.710 --> 00:14:14.379 problem in today's boxing that is lost on many younger fans, 303 00:14:14.740 --> 00:14:17.000 they have no concept of the non-title fight. If you 304 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:20.019 go back and look years ago, 1970s is a perfect example. 305 00:14:20.340 --> 00:14:22.759 When we were kids, we'd watch fights on Like the 306 00:14:22.820 --> 00:14:25.379 network television, you'd see like a big-name guy who was 307 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:27.539 a world champ, but he was fighting a 10-round non-title fight. 308 00:14:27.570 --> 00:14:30.070 It happened all the time. There were times where guys 309 00:14:30.110 --> 00:14:32.970 would lose those non-title fights and still be the champ 310 00:14:33.009 --> 00:14:34.870 because that fight was maybe a little bit over the weight. 311 00:14:35.269 --> 00:14:38.169 So it doesn't happen that much anymore because the number 312 00:14:38.210 --> 00:14:39.940 of times guys fight in a year is so limited 313 00:14:39.960 --> 00:14:42.639 that if you're only going to fight once or twice, 314 00:14:43.259 --> 00:14:45.580 you're probably in title fights. As opposed to back then, 315 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:48.080 you might be fighting four, five, six times. You slip 316 00:14:48.139 --> 00:14:51.200 in a non-title fight every so often. that is the 317 00:14:51.240 --> 00:14:52.879 case for Adamas in this fight. You know, he is 318 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:55.379 fighting Jerome Warburton, who you want to know about him. 319 00:14:55.419 --> 00:14:59.279 He's a Southpaw from Wales. He's 18, 2-2, with only 320 00:14:59.340 --> 00:15:01.720 two knockouts, so not a huge puncher by any stretch. 321 00:15:02.779 --> 00:15:05.000 Keep in mind, the last time we saw Adamas in 322 00:15:05.019 --> 00:15:10.169 the ring, he scored the one-sided decision against Amo Williams. 323 00:15:10.190 --> 00:15:11.809 That was a fight, remember, it would have been postponed 324 00:15:12.110 --> 00:15:14.870 because of the weight issue that Adamas was having, and 325 00:15:14.889 --> 00:15:19.389 they rescheduled, and he won that fight pretty handily. Warburton, 326 00:15:20.610 --> 00:15:24.200 is within the British boxing circles, is just considered like 327 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:27.700 a regular kind of guy. He has won three fights 328 00:15:27.740 --> 00:15:29.480 in a row, but the time before that, he got 329 00:15:29.539 --> 00:15:31.960 knocked out in the fourth round by Kieran Conway. That 330 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:34.200 was in a fight for the British and the Commonwealth title. 331 00:15:34.500 --> 00:15:37.480 This is back in March, 2025. So he doesn't come 332 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:40.940 in with a huge reputation or, you know, any, any way, 333 00:15:40.980 --> 00:15:42.720 shape or form as like a favorite to win this 334 00:15:42.759 --> 00:15:44.889 fight by any means. This is just a matter of, 335 00:15:44.980 --> 00:15:48.100 he's getting a great opportunity, Warburton. And for Adamas just 336 00:15:48.139 --> 00:15:49.799 to get back in the ring for the second time 337 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:53.129 this year, not defending the title. And they're doing the 338 00:15:53.149 --> 00:15:55.289 fight in Saudi Arabia, which is kind of out of sight, 339 00:15:55.330 --> 00:15:57.269 out of mind to a lot of people. Matter of fact, 340 00:15:57.789 --> 00:15:59.610 I'm not sure if the configuration will be the same, 341 00:15:59.629 --> 00:16:02.289 but they're holding this fight in the same venue. It's 342 00:16:02.330 --> 00:16:06.389 called The Venue in Riyadh, same exact location where Canelo 343 00:16:06.480 --> 00:16:11.559 Alvarez had his recent fight against Christian Mbili. So same venue. 344 00:16:11.980 --> 00:16:14.139 Obviously not going to draw the same kind of interest 345 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:17.220 or crowd, I wouldn't imagine. But yeah, they're doing this. 346 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:20.620 They're doing the fight in Riyadh. And even though Riyadh 347 00:16:20.659 --> 00:16:22.460 is a place where a lot of countries have told 348 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:24.580 their people not to travel to. These fighters are going there. 349 00:16:24.620 --> 00:16:28.779 The support staff is going there. And Zufa Boxing is 350 00:16:28.850 --> 00:16:31.970 planning yet another Riyadh card for Zufa Boxing that'll be 351 00:16:33.190 --> 00:16:35.889 down the road in the month of December. So that's 352

00:16:35.929 --> 00:16:36.970 what's happening there. All right. 353 00:16:37.129 --> 00:16:41.289 So that is a 10-round super middleweight bout. And again, 354 00:16:41.330 --> 00:16:45.059 for clarification, Adama still has the WBC middleweight title for now. 355 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:47.360 And maybe it's and maybe it means he's going to 356 00:16:47.399 --> 00:16:50.700 fight Denzel Bentley at middleweight for that belt down the road. 357 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:51.200 Who knows? 358 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:51.740 Who knows? 359 00:16:51.779 --> 00:16:53.340 He's got to win the fight first here with this. 360 00:16:53.419 --> 00:16:54.470 And let's see what happens with that. 361 00:16:54.490 --> 00:16:54.679 All right. 362 00:16:54.759 --> 00:16:58.990 Also on the undercard, two other fights of note. Jason Maloney, 363 00:16:59.509 --> 00:17:02.330 bantamweight bout, 10 round bantamweight bout. And then we know 364 00:17:02.370 --> 00:17:05.799 the name Bruno Sarase, the guy that famously out of 365 00:17:05.880 --> 00:17:08.640 nowhere knocked out Jaime Munguia. He's on this card as well. 366 00:17:08.660 --> 00:17:09.759 So give us a little more on those guys. 367 00:17:10.450 --> 00:17:14.480 So Maloney is the former WBO bantamweight title holder, kind 368 00:17:14.500 --> 00:17:17.319 of in the twilight of his career at 35, looking 369 00:17:17.339 --> 00:17:20.440 for another boost to get things going as another guy 370 00:17:20.460 --> 00:17:23.529 that signed with Zufa Boxing. So he's in this 10-round co-feature. 371 00:17:23.549 --> 00:17:26.269 He's taking on a Mexican fighter named Andres Teran, who 372 00:17:26.369 --> 00:17:30.630 is 19-2, 10-rounder. Maloney, look, he's been a good fighter 373 00:17:30.650 --> 00:17:33.009 for a long time, along with his brother Andrew. They're twins. 374 00:17:33.859 --> 00:17:36.019 Teran is coming off of what most people considered a 375 00:17:36.039 --> 00:17:38.769 pretty good upset. He scored a six round knockout against 376 00:17:38.809 --> 00:17:41.910 the undefeated Floyd Diaz back in June on a previous 377 00:17:42.009 --> 00:17:44.750 Zufa boxing card. So, you know, they just they made 378 00:17:45.190 --> 00:17:47.069 the match just a regular kind of fight. But listen, 379 00:17:47.089 --> 00:17:50.569 the winner, certainly if it's Maloney, could potentially force himself 380 00:17:50.609 --> 00:17:53.430 into a bigger picture, given his reputation and his name 381 00:17:53.470 --> 00:17:55.690 value and the fact that he has previously held the 382 00:17:55.730 --> 00:17:58.029 world title. The other fight you mentioned about Bruno Sarace, 383 00:17:58.390 --> 00:18:00.769 he's a guy that just signed with Zufa in recent weeks. 384 00:18:01.170 --> 00:18:03.769 He's the French fighter who, like you said, came in 385 00:18:04.329 --> 00:18:08.250 as a completely obscure fighter. unknown handpicked guy with no 386 00:18:08.289 --> 00:18:11.049 punching power to speak of. He only had like

four 387 00:18:11.109 --> 00:18:13.569 knockouts going into a fight with like 20 plus wins, 388 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:16.539 you know, a thousand to one, a million to one, 389 00:18:17.099 --> 00:18:19.539 you know, handpicked to go to Tijuana and fight Jaime 390 00:18:20.180 --> 00:18:22.619 in his hometown. They were trying to squeeze in another 391 00:18:22.660 --> 00:18:24.019 fight before the end of the year, kind of got 392 00:18:24.039 --> 00:18:26.740 a little greedy in that respect. And he absolutely, he 393 00:18:26.789 --> 00:18:29.109 lost every round of the fight to Munguia, got knocked 394 00:18:29.130 --> 00:18:31.789 down early in the fight, was losing every single second. 395 00:18:32.130 --> 00:18:34.069 And then one punch and the fight was over. He 396 00:18:34.130 --> 00:18:34.650 knocked him out. 397 00:18:35.660 --> 00:18:38.549 We love boxing, though, too. It's what makes it different. 398 00:18:39.230 --> 00:18:43.490 That was in December of 2024. Munguia did have the 399 00:18:43.529 --> 00:18:45.930 right to an immediate rematch. 400 00:18:45.950 --> 00:18:47.450 Did you vote that the upset of the year? 401 00:18:47.799 --> 00:18:50.180 Oh, yeah. I think everybody did. Everybody picked that as 402 00:18:50.200 --> 00:18:50.759 the upset of the year. 403 00:18:50.779 --> 00:18:52.440 So that's what this guy's known for, but he isn't 404 00:18:52.460 --> 00:18:54.500 known for doing much else. But he's on this card. 405 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:56.059 He's not known for doing anything else. 406 00:18:56.559 --> 00:18:56.839 True. 407 00:18:57.180 --> 00:18:59.180 Well, the only other thing he's known for is having 408 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:02.740 the immediate rematch with Munguia in Saudi Arabia. and losing 409 00:19:02.789 --> 00:19:04.849 a decision to him, which is the fight where Munguia 410 00:19:04.890 --> 00:19:07.690 had the positive drug test, but never really faced any 411 00:19:07.730 --> 00:19:10.369 real punishment. The decision never changed or anything along those lines. 412 00:19:11.049 --> 00:19:15.069 So he had not fought since the loss to Munguia, 413 00:19:15.509 --> 00:19:17.650 which was last year. And so now he has signed 414 00:19:17.670 --> 00:19:19.549 with Zufa and he's coming back and they're trying to 415 00:19:19.569 --> 00:19:22.190 get him going. He's fighting an undefeated Polish fighter named 416 00:19:22.549 --> 00:19:26.680 Kamil Bednarek, who was 17 and 0. I don't know 417 00:19:26.740 --> 00:19:30.759 much about him. He's got 10 knockouts. It's a 10 rounder. Look, 418 00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:34.539 And I'm not trying to dump on Zufa or say 419 00:19:34.579 --> 00:19:37.059 bad about them because I understand it's a work in progress. 420 00:19:37.079 --> 00:19:39.920 I understand getting guys to go to Riyadh maybe not 421 00:19:39.940 --> 00:19:42.069 the easiest thing in the world. This is a triple 422 00:19:42.109 --> 00:19:45.089 header of the top three fights on the card. I 423 00:19:45.109 --> 00:19:47.049 think there may be a fourth fight on the main broadcast, 424 00:19:47.069 --> 00:19:50.460 but these are the main three. They're just fights. do 425 00:19:50.480 --> 00:19:52.779 you know what i'm saying It can maybe help. 426 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:54.869 Hey, that's the kind way to put it. These are 427 00:19:54.930 --> 00:19:58.089 fights that have no interest in the United States, by 428 00:19:58.109 --> 00:19:59.009 the way. None. 429 00:19:59.029 --> 00:20:01.069 I mean, Adamas, maybe because he is a reigning champion, 430 00:20:01.089 --> 00:20:02.700 there's some... This is going to. 431 00:20:02.650 --> 00:20:06.000 Be late afternoon, right? Our time, because the eight-hour time difference. 432 00:20:06.339 --> 00:20:08.680 During the day, with all the college football going on, 433 00:20:08.720 --> 00:20:11.480 this is not going to register. I'm not... I'm not 434 00:20:11.539 --> 00:20:14.930 saying that you and I don't enjoy boxing, and we 435 00:20:14.990 --> 00:20:17.769 obviously do. We're hardcore. But for the average sports fan, 436 00:20:17.809 --> 00:20:20.009 they're not looking at any of these guys. They don't 437 00:20:20.069 --> 00:20:21.769 know any of these guys. You're not doing anything. 438 00:20:21.789 --> 00:20:23.130 This is not a big-name card. 439 00:20:23.150 --> 00:20:23.210 No. 440 00:20:23.380 --> 00:20:27.140 This is not even a big-name card. Usually, the card 441 00:20:27.180 --> 00:20:29.980 is either geared towards the Americans, so it takes place here, 442 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:32.680 or it's geared towards the Brits, and it takes place 443 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:34.970 in Britain like they did last week. We're in the 444 00:20:34.990 --> 00:20:39.509 United States. Chris Billum-Smith. against Shev Clark is not a 445 00:20:39.529 --> 00:20:42.269 meaningful fight at all. Well, within the context of British 446 00:20:42.309 --> 00:20:44.869 boxing fans, it has some meaning. Chris Billingsmith's a former 447 00:20:44.910 --> 00:20:46.359 world champ. Shev Clark was an Olympian. 448 00:20:46.579 --> 00:20:48.880 And by the way, that's a primetime fight in the 449 00:20:49.039 --> 00:20:50.400 UK that they cared about. 450 00:20:50.500 --> 00:20:54.079 Yes. This card has none of those. I mean, Jerome 451 00:20:54.099 --> 00:20:56.960 Warburton is from Wales, but not exactly a household name. 452 00:20:57.299 --> 00:21:02.769 So it's just three seemingly quasi-okay matches, although Adamas is 453 00:21:02.809 --> 00:21:05.349 a big favorite. The other ones may be closer in 454 00:21:05.390 --> 00:21:07.930 terms of odds. And they're putting on the fight. I mean, 455 00:21:08.130 --> 00:21:10.130 the main reason, frankly, is, and I don't know the 456 00:21:10.190 --> 00:21:13.769 exact particulars, but TKO, which is the parent company of Zufa, 457 00:21:14.029 --> 00:21:18.430 who also has UFC and WWE, they have deals with 458 00:21:18.809 --> 00:21:20.910 the folks in Saudi

Arabia to bring them a certain 459 00:21:20.930 --> 00:21:23.759 number of live events, I believe, per year. And this 460 00:21:23.839 --> 00:21:25.779 is part of fulfilling that agreement. End of story. 461 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:28.839 Even with the mess with the travel that we've long 462 00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:30.920 been over. All right. So that card will be Saturday 463 00:21:31.059 --> 00:21:37.069 afternoon on Paramount +. Good luck. with the American sports 464 00:21:37.309 --> 00:21:40.049 fan glued to college football for a lot of Saturday afternoon. 465 00:21:40.089 --> 00:21:44.410 We'll see. To the news, it is finally confirmed, it 466 00:21:44.430 --> 00:21:47.990 has been announced, Boots Ennis and Josh Kelly will fight 467 00:21:48.049 --> 00:21:53.630 for three of the 154-pound world titles. Has a date, 468 00:21:54.150 --> 00:21:57.400 has a location, and again, it is going to be 469 00:21:57.500 --> 00:21:59.980 part of the fight series, so you can see it 470 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:03.640 on linear cable with your subscription today. Or an equivalent 471 00:22:03.680 --> 00:22:06.220 with the app, et cetera, on TNT and TruTV. Give 472 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:08.859 me the deets here on Boots, Ennis. This had been 473 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:10.769 long rumored, but it's now set. 474 00:22:11.329 --> 00:22:13.509 Well, if people have been reading the Fight Freak Tonight 475 00:22:13.529 --> 00:22:14.009 sub stack. 476 00:22:14.230 --> 00:22:14.890 And they should be. 477 00:22:15.289 --> 00:22:16.769 And they should be, of course. They would have known 478 00:22:16.789 --> 00:22:19.789 ages ago this fight was made. They would have known 479 00:22:21.549 --> 00:22:24.029 several days ago that this fight was going to take place, 480 00:22:24.109 --> 00:22:26.089 as I wrote, based on the sources that I talked to. 481 00:22:26.109 --> 00:22:28.640 We're always on these types of things right on the money. 482 00:22:29.180 --> 00:22:33.720 February 27th at the State Farm Arena in Atlanta. this 483 00:22:33.779 --> 00:22:35.079 is going to be the first time that match remember 484 00:22:35.140 --> 00:22:37.920 does an event in Atlanta boots. Ennis wanted to be 485 00:22:37.940 --> 00:22:39.940 in that type of city. They, I mean, look, obviously 486 00:22:39.980 --> 00:22:42.640 you can bring boots to Philly. It probably Kelly probably 487 00:22:42.660 --> 00:22:44.109 didn't want to do that. And he had some say, 488 00:22:44.130 --> 00:22:46.269 so he's the B side, but he's also a champion 489 00:22:47.630 --> 00:22:49.910 Atlantic city, I think was a possibility, but you know, 490 00:22:50.049 --> 00:22:52.190 Atlanta has proven in recent years to become a pretty 491 00:22:52.230 --> 00:22:55.839 good fight city, particularly if you're a top American black fighter, 492 00:22:56.460 --> 00:22:58.700 we've seen it happen with the likes of tank Davis, 493 00:22:58.740 --> 00:23:02.079 most in most particularly Atlanta, And Ennis has that

type 494 00:23:02.140 --> 00:23:05.069 of ability to perhaps generate that kind of crowd. It's 495 00:23:05.130 --> 00:23:09.769 a bonafide fight. It's a three-belt unification. You know, it's 496 00:23:09.809 --> 00:23:11.890 a good matchup. I mean, it's maybe taking place a 497 00:23:11.910 --> 00:23:14.910 little bit later in February 27th, as I mentioned. There 498 00:23:14.930 --> 00:23:18.619 was some discussion right after it was first talked about. 499 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:21.519 This is after Josh Kelly won his recent title defense 500 00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:23.160 that he would fight him at the end of this year. 501 00:23:23.480 --> 00:23:26.599 But if you remember, that particular fight, he got a 502 00:23:26.619 --> 00:23:29.200 very bad cut on his nose and he had some facial, 503 00:23:29.500 --> 00:23:31.710 you know, cuts and that sort of thing so he 504 00:23:31.750 --> 00:23:33.109 was sort of ruled out for the end of the 505 00:23:33.130 --> 00:23:34.750 year they maybe could have forced it and rushed it 506 00:23:35.049 --> 00:23:37.049 for december but the zone had a filled up calendar 507 00:23:37.109 --> 00:23:39.109 anyway so they you know sort of like the better 508 00:23:39.150 --> 00:23:41.490 part of valor let's wait let's hold off we'll do 509 00:23:41.529 --> 00:23:43.990 it early in the year uh you know that was 510 00:23:44.250 --> 00:23:46.740 even though josh won the fight against yarko it was 511 00:23:46.779 --> 00:23:48.779 kind of a tough fight uh it was a very 512 00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:51.960 competitive unanimous decision uh but like i said those facial 513 00:23:51.980 --> 00:23:53.500 cuts and the nose cut was like you know what 514 00:23:53.980 --> 00:23:56.259 get yourself healed up so there's no concerns no worries 515 00:23:56.690 --> 00:23:58.490 Come back, and you guys will be all healthy. 516 00:23:58.630 --> 00:24:00.589 Until Boots in and starts laying hands on you, and 517 00:24:00.609 --> 00:24:01.630 then that could be a concern. 518 00:24:01.650 --> 00:24:05.329 That'll be a whole new series of facial cuts and damage. Yes, correct, yes. 519 00:24:05.349 --> 00:24:07.390 So anyway, they put the fight to February 27th, and 520 00:24:07.410 --> 00:24:09.130 the part that I love about it, I mean, I 521 00:24:09.150 --> 00:24:10.750 always sort of like the matchup. Anytime you can have 522 00:24:10.769 --> 00:24:12.910 a unification, I'm down for it, even if Boots is 523 00:24:12.930 --> 00:24:15.269 going to be a significant favorite in the fight. It's 524 00:24:15.309 --> 00:24:17.250 like you said, they're doing this fight on the fight 525 00:24:17.630 --> 00:24:21.829 on TNT and True TV. So if you're, and put 526 00:24:21.849 --> 00:24:24.150 it like this, when this fight was first being put together, 527 00:24:25.140 --> 00:24:26.900 it was unclear in my mind, is it good? I 528 00:24:26.940 --> 00:24:28.759 thought maybe it might be even a part of the 529 00:24:28.839 --> 00:24:32.309 ultimate or a pay-per-view because that's just the way things 530 00:24:32.349 --> 00:24:34.029 roll sometimes with the zone in terms of what they 531 00:24:34.069 --> 00:24:35.490 have to do to get these fights to get done. 532 00:24:36.009 --> 00:24:37.809 So I was really thrilled when I saw the announcement 533 00:24:37.849 --> 00:24:39.569 that not only was the fight a hundred percent and 534 00:24:39.609 --> 00:24:41.670 it's made, but it was not only not going to 535 00:24:41.690 --> 00:24:44.150 be a pay-per-view and not part of ultimate, it was 536 00:24:44.190 --> 00:24:46.380 not only going to be regular zone subscription, but it 537 00:24:46.410 --> 00:24:48.859 was going to be available to the masses who have 538 00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:52.039 linear cable television, or like you said, some apps, they 539 00:24:52.059 --> 00:24:55.539 can watch it. for no additional cost on a pay-per-view basis. 540 00:24:55.940 --> 00:24:58.480 So it has the chance to maybe do a much 541 00:24:58.980 --> 00:25:02.859 bigger number of viewers, especially on TNT. And if you also, 542 00:25:03.019 --> 00:25:05.160 if you follow, as my friend TJ likes to always say, 543 00:25:05.180 --> 00:25:07.890 follow the breadcrumbs. TJ, what was one of the recent 544 00:25:07.930 --> 00:25:10.809 fights that was on the fight, which was the last show, 545 00:25:10.869 --> 00:25:14.710 I believe? That was Sebastian Fundora's title defense, where he 546 00:25:14.730 --> 00:25:18.069 has the WBC 154-pound title. If you listen to Eddie 547 00:25:18.089 --> 00:25:21.450 Hearn and the people at PBC, There's no doubt in 548 00:25:21.470 --> 00:25:23.710 my mind that, and I can't say if it's the 549 00:25:23.750 --> 00:25:26.789 same as if Josh Kelly wins, but maybe. But 100% 550 00:25:26.789 --> 00:25:29.089 if Boots Ennis is the winner, they will go forward 551 00:25:29.130 --> 00:25:32.609 and try and probably be successful in putting together Boots 552 00:25:32.650 --> 00:25:36.740 Ennis against Sebastian Fundora for the undisputed 154-pound title in 553 00:25:36.779 --> 00:25:38.920 a bout that would be probably scheduled sometime around the 554 00:25:38.940 --> 00:25:42.259 beginning of the summer next year. And that is a 555 00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:44.299 great plan. And so it's not a coincidence in my 556 00:25:44.339 --> 00:25:47.670 mind that you feature Fundora on the fight, then you 557 00:25:47.690 --> 00:25:50.509 feature Ennis and Kelly on the fight, And the winner, 558 00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:54.240 particularly if it's Ennis against Vandora, make a bigger fight. Now, 559 00:25:54.259 --> 00:25:56.799 that probably won't be on the fight. That would probably be. 560 00:25:56.819 --> 00:25:59.619 A pay-per-view, but that would be a worthy pay-per-view. And 561 00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:02.079 like we like to say, this crap ain't complicated. And 562 00:26:02.220 --> 00:26:08.130 this makes sense because most casual sports fans that follow 563 00:26:08.210 -->

00:26:11.109 some or most sports fans that are casual boxing fans, 564 00:26:11.269 --> 00:26:14.150 they know Jerron Ennis. And some of them have begun, 565 00:26:14.190 --> 00:26:16.670 I'm sure, to get familiar with Sebastian Vandora here and there. 566 00:26:16.690 --> 00:26:20.069 I would dare say that. Fundor is probably a bigger 567 00:26:20.109 --> 00:26:22.170 name to the masses in America. 568 00:26:22.349 --> 00:26:25.349 But at least you're building to something that everybody will 569 00:26:25.369 --> 00:26:28.589 be focused on. And they've pushed it outside the football season, 570 00:26:28.630 --> 00:26:31.329 which is big, outside the NFL, outside the Super Bowl. 571 00:26:31.769 --> 00:26:33.329 So let's see what this ends up being. And I 572 00:26:33.609 --> 00:26:35.029 like the fact that it's not a pay-per-view. 573 00:26:35.089 --> 00:26:36.450 I agree with you. Which, by the way, is probably 574 00:26:36.509 --> 00:26:39.069 another reason why it went to the fight broadcast on 575 00:26:39.089 --> 00:26:41.609 the 27th of February. So it wasn't going to take 576 00:26:41.650 --> 00:26:45.079 place tomorrow. in the midst of the NFL playoffs. 577 00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:47.440 And the other concern, obviously, for them is the next 578 00:26:47.500 --> 00:26:50.640 month they've got the NCAA basketball tournament on Turner's outlets 579 00:26:50.819 --> 00:26:54.730 as well for three weekends. So wedge it right in there. 580 00:26:54.809 --> 00:26:57.789 We're down with that. It'll be February 27th in Atlanta 581 00:26:58.250 --> 00:27:00.650 at the Hawks Arena, the downtown State Farm Arena. 582 00:27:00.829 --> 00:27:04.829 Oh, and by the way, the announcement came on Thursday. 583 00:27:04.930 --> 00:27:07.460 I mean, I'm sorry, the announcement came on Wednesday. But today, 584 00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:10.829 on Thursdays, we taped this earlier this afternoon. I don't 585 00:27:10.970 --> 00:27:12.950 know if it actually happened, but they announced that it 586 00:27:12.990 --> 00:27:15.619 was scheduled. They were doing the kickoff news conference. Obviously, 587 00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:18.900 Eddie Hearn and the Matchum team are in Southern California 588 00:27:18.940 --> 00:27:21.740 promoting the Pacheco and Fulgham events. So while they were 589 00:27:21.779 --> 00:27:24.940 there and media is around covering that fight in Southern California, 590 00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:26.640 they did a news conference. 591 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:30.450 To- And the Ennis, we didn't bring up this point, 592 00:27:30.490 --> 00:27:35.190 but the Ennis fight back in the summer created an 593 00:27:35.329 --> 00:27:38.670 awful lot of attention. So, I mean, he's a hot 594 00:27:38.769 --> 00:27:40.680 item or a hotter item. So get back in the 595 00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:42.160 ring as quickly as you can. I would like it 596 00:27:42.180 --> 00:27:44.200 to be a little earlier, but you explain why it's not. 597 00:27:44.220 --> 00:27:48.059 I mean, I don't have a problem. That's not this 598 00:27:48.099 --> 00:27:50.180 is not that big of a layoff. This is, as 599 00:27:50.240 --> 00:27:53.130 I said, this is a combination of the television schedule, 600 00:27:53.170 --> 00:27:55.430 the other sports schedule, but also I think also Josh 601 00:27:55.470 --> 00:27:58.700 Kelly's health. because of the cuts he suffered. And you 602 00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:01.690 don't want, for a fight of this magnitude, you don't 603 00:28:01.730 --> 00:28:03.849 want there to be any excuses about, you know what, 604 00:28:03.970 --> 00:28:06.490 I was not ready because of the previous injury. I 605 00:28:06.509 --> 00:28:08.880 don't want this to be another Oscar De La Hoya, 606 00:28:08.890 --> 00:28:11.759 Julio Cesar Chavez number one, where the first punch of 607 00:28:11.779 --> 00:28:15.259 the fight busts open a previously existing cut and ultimately 608 00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:16.599 led to a premature ending of the fight. 609 00:28:17.339 --> 00:28:21.980 Yep, understood. Now we get to the WBA, and always 610 00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:26.099 the WBA. So they have made a ruling about Teofimo 611 00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:30.400 Lopez and about Jack Catterall as it relates to a 612 00:28:30.460 --> 00:28:34.079 potential Lopez unification fight with Ryan Garcia. The WBA is 613 00:28:34.099 --> 00:28:37.559 saying not so fast. Give me the lowdown because Lopez 614 00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:40.059 is appealing this as well, right? What's going on? 615 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:45.099 All right, so Teofimo Lopez and Ryan Garcia, their teams... 616 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:48.180 Titles or no titles are way, way, way, way far 617 00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:51.440 down the road to make in this match. So if 618 00:28:51.460 --> 00:28:54.109 you've been following social media and all the usual Ryan 619 00:28:54.119 --> 00:28:57.910 Garcia nonsense where he's quote unquote announcing that he's fighting 620 00:28:57.930 --> 00:29:02.250 Floyd Mayweather Jr. on February 6th, he may ultimately fight 621 00:29:02.289 --> 00:29:04.019 Floyd Mayweather Jr., but it is not going to be 622 00:29:04.059 --> 00:29:06.440 on February 6th. I can assure you of that. Ryan 623 00:29:06.460 --> 00:29:09.339 Garcia just talks sometimes to hear his own voice. So 624 00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:12.380 that's not happening. He is most likely fighting Teofimo Lopez. 625 00:29:12.420 --> 00:29:15.559 I mean, obviously, Teofimo is a free spirit. They could 626 00:29:15.579 --> 00:29:17.380 make a deal, get everything all done, and he could 627 00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:19.140 wake up the next morning and say, fuck it, I'm 628 00:29:19.160 --> 00:29:21.490 not doing the fight and I'm going to retain my title. 629 00:29:21.910 --> 00:29:24.390 And there's precedent for that because last year at this time, 630 00:29:24.730 --> 00:29:28.430 he had agreed to fight Devin Haney in a fight 631 00:29:28.470 --> 00:29:30.390 that would have been in Saudi Arabia.

Haney had already 632 00:29:30.430 --> 00:29:34.470 signed the contract. And literally, Teofimo said, forget it, actually, 633 00:29:34.490 --> 00:29:37.349 at the last minute, upsetting his own team. who had 634 00:29:37.569 --> 00:29:39.069 spent a lot of time negotiating the deal. But the 635 00:29:39.089 --> 00:29:42.359 bottom line is, they're far down the road for Garcia 636 00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:45.640 versus Teofimo Lopez. Teofimo would like it. And I think 637 00:29:45.660 --> 00:29:47.599 Garcia also would like it to be a unification fight. 638 00:29:48.059 --> 00:29:50.880 Ryan has the WBC title, which he just recently defended 639 00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:54.500 against Conor Benn. Teofimo has the WBA belt, which he 640 00:29:54.539 --> 00:29:58.940 won earlier this year against Rolly Romero. And they're saying 641 00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:02.089 at the WBA, we're not going to sanction that as unification, right? 642 00:30:02.109 --> 00:30:03.869 They can't stop the fight, but they can prevent the 643 00:30:03.890 --> 00:30:06.269 title from being at stake because they claim that he 644 00:30:06.369 --> 00:30:09.049 owes a mandatory to Jack Catterall, who is the regular 645 00:30:09.109 --> 00:30:12.390 champion who had, uh, beat, you know, had gotten that 646 00:30:12.430 --> 00:30:15.720 title when they sanctioned it. Um, and Tfimo had beaten 647 00:30:15.740 --> 00:30:18.859 Roley Romero. They had ordered Romero to fight the winner 648 00:30:19.539 --> 00:30:21.859 of the Catterall fight that he had in, uh, you know, 649 00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:25.259 the last couple of months. But anyway, now what the Tfimo, 650 00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:29.019 so anyway, so the ruling came out, uh, on Wednesday and, uh, 651 00:30:29.470 --> 00:30:31.170 They said, OK, you have to do this. Here's the 652 00:30:31.190 --> 00:30:33.609 time frame that you have to go through the negotiations 653 00:30:33.650 --> 00:30:35.410 with Catterall. We're going to have a purse fit. So 654 00:30:36.109 --> 00:30:37.619 that sounds like that's the end of it. But the 655 00:30:37.650 --> 00:30:40.539 reality is, according to Team Lopez, and I've actually read 656 00:30:40.579 --> 00:30:43.400 the letter, when they asked for the permission to do 657 00:30:43.900 --> 00:30:47.559 the unification fight against Garcia, they sent them their appeal 658 00:30:47.619 --> 00:30:49.099 and all their stuff that they had to get in. 659 00:30:49.869 --> 00:30:54.119 And they sent them a letter that was dated October 5th, 660 00:30:54.630 --> 00:30:57.640 where They said that they asked for permission to have 661 00:30:57.660 --> 00:30:59.490 the title unification, which is what you have to do 662 00:30:59.990 --> 00:31:03.130 under the WBA rules. However, if you read the resolution 663 00:31:03.170 --> 00:31:05.569 that the WBA issued saying, no, we're not going to 664 00:31:05.609 --> 00:31:07.710 sanction the fight, which is, I think it's on their website. 665 00:31:07.730 --> 00:31:10.259 I have a copy of it. They say that Tfimo 666 00:31:10.339 --> 00:31:14.099 never requested the exemption for the unification fight, which is 667 00:31:14.180 --> 00:31:15.039 patently false. 668 00:31:15.059 --> 00:31:17.339 Wait a minute. Got lost in the mail, got lost 669 00:31:17.380 --> 00:31:17.859 in the email. 670 00:31:17.880 --> 00:31:20.059 It didn't get lost in the mail. Somebody just didn't 671 00:31:20.099 --> 00:31:23.849 read it, I guess. So if they had, if, The 672 00:31:23.890 --> 00:31:28.170 point here is this. The TFIMO side followed what the 673 00:31:28.210 --> 00:31:30.420 protocol from the BA was. If you want to do 674 00:31:30.460 --> 00:31:32.940 a unification to trump what we already owe us as 675 00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:35.079 the mandatory, you must put it in writing and ask 676 00:31:35.099 --> 00:31:37.960 for that. And they most likely will issue this special permit. 677 00:31:37.980 --> 00:31:41.069 We see this happen all the time. So they went 678 00:31:41.089 --> 00:31:43.630 through their ruling, said that they never asked for that. 679 00:31:43.990 --> 00:31:46.190 And meanwhile, the TFIMO camp has a letter that they 680 00:31:46.230 --> 00:31:49.390 produced that was dated after the what they claimed in 681 00:31:49.450 --> 00:31:54.500 the WBA resolution, that they absolutely did send in a 682 00:31:54.559 --> 00:31:57.650 November 5th letter seeking that permission. 683 00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:04.680 And in the short term, we went round and round 684 00:32:04.740 --> 00:32:08.359 about this. They just did this with the Jaime Munguia 685 00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:12.269 defense in Saudi Arabia, where they ignored their own mandatory. 686 00:32:12.609 --> 00:32:14.410 We don't have to litigate all the reasons why, but 687 00:32:14.450 --> 00:32:17.150 they ignored their own mandatory who wanted to fight him, 688 00:32:17.170 --> 00:32:19.829 who wanted to fight him in Saudi Arabia. They do 689 00:32:19.930 --> 00:32:26.390 whatever they want, including ignoring the post office, ignoring the email. 690 00:32:27.230 --> 00:32:29.710 The big thing about the difference between those two that 691 00:32:29.730 --> 00:32:33.220 you just mentioned is if you talk to the Mel 692 00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:37.339 Kuzia and to his manager, Vadim Kornilov, they really wanted 693 00:32:37.380 --> 00:32:38.740 the title fight and they knew they were going to 694 00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:41.450 get screwed. So they at least made a step aside 695 00:32:41.470 --> 00:32:43.890 deal to get something for their trouble. Cause it's kind 696 00:32:43.910 --> 00:32:45.809 of like they, they were going to get screwed no 697 00:32:45.829 --> 00:32:49.150 matter what. If you talk to Sam Jones and Jack, 698 00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:53.140 They're like, we're not taking a step aside, no matter what. 699 00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:54.940 We are not taking a step aside. 700 00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:57.170 We want the full title fight. 701

00:32:57.410 --> 00:32:58.650 And we want it next. And that's one of them, 702 00:32:58.690 --> 00:33:02.369 by the way. Yeah. Catterill's already the regular champion. Melikuziev 703 00:33:02.410 --> 00:33:05.210 doesn't have a title. He's merely the mandatory. So Catterill 704 00:33:05.230 --> 00:33:07.880 already has a little bit of a cushion there, because 705 00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:11.269 if they do strip Tiafimo, he becomes... The champion. 706 00:33:11.289 --> 00:33:11.849 The full champion. 707 00:33:12.210 --> 00:33:14.789 Melakuziev had nothing except his mandatory status. 708 00:33:14.869 --> 00:33:17.940 But it's just the premise. They do what they want. 709 00:33:18.019 --> 00:33:20.940 And if they want here, they can say to Catterall 710 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:23.619 the same way that they said to Melakuziev. This is 711 00:33:23.640 --> 00:33:24.579 what we're going to allow to happen. 712 00:33:24.619 --> 00:33:28.490 Because it's the WBA. The Teofimo team says, this is 713 00:33:28.529 --> 00:33:30.849 not over yet because you fucked up because we sent 714 00:33:30.890 --> 00:33:33.690 this The letter that you require to be sent in time. 715 00:33:33.730 --> 00:33:36.130 But the problem is they're appealing to the same entity. 716 00:33:36.170 --> 00:33:38.529 They're appealing to the WBA, trying to convince them you 717 00:33:38.549 --> 00:33:38.769 screwed up. 718 00:33:38.769 --> 00:33:40.450 Maybe it's a way for the WBA to say, whoops, 719 00:33:40.539 --> 00:33:42.359 we forgot. We're going to give them the opportunity. Who 720 00:33:42.380 --> 00:33:42.839 the heck knows? 721 00:33:42.859 --> 00:33:45.079 And then maybe the courts and the lawyers get involved 722 00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:45.720 after that. 723 00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:47.759 Here's the upside. 724 00:33:47.940 --> 00:33:50.339 So what is the timeline on when all this goes 725 00:33:50.380 --> 00:33:51.779 into motion with possible purse bid? 726 00:33:51.819 --> 00:33:55.000 Go. Well, the purse bid will, I mean, they have 727 00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:57.480 30 days, I guess, for Caterall and Teofimo to make 728 00:33:57.539 --> 00:34:00.059 a deal. But the Teofimo team has, I mean, I 729 00:34:00.099 --> 00:34:03.150 guess anything can change. Everything in life is a fluid situation. 730 00:34:03.430 --> 00:34:06.230 They have no intention of negotiating that fight. They're doing 731 00:34:06.269 --> 00:34:08.670 the Ryan Garcia fight. They'd like to do it with 732 00:34:08.690 --> 00:34:10.809 the title. And if it's not with the title, so 733 00:34:10.849 --> 00:34:13.309 be it. I will say this to anybody who's listening. 734 00:34:13.349 --> 00:34:15.610 And if they want to rag on TFimo for avoiding 735 00:34:15.659 --> 00:34:18.800 the mandatory, I mean, technically that'd be correct. However, in 736 00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:21.699 your life, if I said to you, you can do 737 00:34:21.719 --> 00:34:24.800 this task X, Y, Z, and you can make this 738 00:34:24.880

--> 00:34:27.400 much money, or you can do this task and you 739 00:34:27.440 --> 00:34:30.619 can make three times the money. Which would you choose? 740 00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:32.880 The same task, by the way. Either one of them 741 00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:34.469 is a boxing match in this case. 742 00:34:34.489 --> 00:34:36.710 You either fight Cattrall for X dollars or you fight 743 00:34:36.750 --> 00:34:37.849 Ryan for like three times the money. 744 00:34:37.869 --> 00:34:38.429 Three times the money. 745 00:34:38.750 --> 00:34:39.929 Not a hard decision. And a much bigger fight. Not 746 00:34:39.949 --> 00:34:41.820 a hard decision. And a much bigger upside if you win. No. 747 00:34:43.119 --> 00:34:44.179 He's a bigger name. There you go. 748 00:34:44.579 --> 00:34:46.739 Once again, we get back to nobody on the world 749 00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:48.639 stage cares about Jack Catterall. Sorry. 750 00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:50.590 Well, no, I mean, I don't want to be that rude. 751 00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:53.570 I am just saying on the big stage here, because 752 00:34:53.630 --> 00:34:56.110 Tiafimo has been in big stage fight after big stage 753 00:34:56.150 --> 00:34:57.789 fight for the last four or five years. 754 00:34:57.829 --> 00:35:00.210 Jack Catterall in his country is a big deal. He 755 00:35:00.250 --> 00:35:02.969 had a massive fight with Josh Taylor for the undisputed 756 00:35:03.010 --> 00:35:05.630 title at 140 that many people believe he got badly 757 00:35:05.690 --> 00:35:08.670 robbed in. So I'm not going to diss on Jack Catterall. 758 00:35:08.690 --> 00:35:11.320 He's a top level fighter. And a worthy contender. 759 00:35:11.340 --> 00:35:13.320 He's not at this level, though. I will say that. 760 00:35:13.340 --> 00:35:16.659 That's fine. The bottom line is they're going to do 761 00:35:16.699 --> 00:35:19.159 the fight with Garcia, belt or no belt. That's right. 762 00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:21.460 If they can get the WBA to keep the belt. 763 00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:24.940 All right. But the timeline is before Christmas. Hey, the 764 00:35:24.980 --> 00:35:27.059 Christmas trees are up, as you told us. We should 765 00:35:27.099 --> 00:35:29.909 know something about purse bid or not. He's vacating or not. 766 00:35:30.030 --> 00:35:31.780 Appeal or not. And I need an aspirin. 767 00:35:32.329 --> 00:35:32.909 Yeah, exactly. 768 00:35:32.929 --> 00:35:35.849 And the next item on the list is another WBA. 769 00:35:36.010 --> 00:35:40.409 It's another WBA situation. And this is not surprising, but 770 00:35:40.489 --> 00:35:44.670 follow up here about Lucas body appealing on his decision 771 00:35:45.349 --> 00:35:47.179 here with Floyd Schofield. 772 00:35:47.860 --> 00:35:50.880 OK, so this is a thing that amazingly, like I 773 00:35:50.940 --> 00:35:54.400 actually had a back and forth texting with Gilberto Mendoza Jr. yesterday, 774 00:35:54.420 --> 00:35:56.420 the president. of the WBA, as I often do. 775 00:35:56.440 --> 00:35:58.159 Did you ask Gilberto how often he checks his email? 776 00:35:58.280 --> 00:35:58.719 Keep going. 777 00:35:59.780 --> 00:36:01.840 Actually, I didn't know that until after him and I 778 00:36:01.900 --> 00:36:03.679 had our back and forth, so I did not ask him. 779 00:36:04.639 --> 00:36:06.099 But I told him. Go back in. 780 00:36:06.019 --> 00:36:08.909 Your inbox and see if you have something around October 781 00:36:09.269 --> 00:36:10.190 5th from Team Lopez. 782 00:36:10.210 --> 00:36:10.710 Never mind. 783 00:36:10.789 --> 00:36:12.190 Keep going about Lucas' body. 784 00:36:12.409 --> 00:36:14.750 No, I actually said to Gilberto, I said, you know, 785 00:36:14.769 --> 00:36:16.369 we may, something to the extent of, I know we 786 00:36:16.389 --> 00:36:18.349 don't agree on a lot of things, but in this 787 00:36:18.389 --> 00:36:21.909 particular ruling by the WBA, we're on the same page. 788 00:36:21.969 --> 00:36:24.809 I agree with this. If you remember back October the 10th, 789 00:36:25.710 --> 00:36:28.369 Floyd Schofield and Lucas Boddy fought for the vacant WBA 790 00:36:28.409 --> 00:36:31.329 lightweight title in Chicago. And in that fight, it was 791 00:36:31.369 --> 00:36:37.070 Floyd Schofield that won a unanimous decision, 119-108, 116-110, 115-111. 792 00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:40.800 Both fighters were credited with official knockdowns. And then there 793 00:36:40.820 --> 00:36:43.360 was the prospect or the, depending on which side you're on, 794 00:36:43.780 --> 00:36:46.500 especially if you're on the Lucas Boddy side, you'd feel 795 00:36:46.539 --> 00:36:49.980 like Ben Rodriguez, who was the referee, missed multiple knockdowns 796 00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:52.139 in that fight. And so when the fight was over 797 00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:54.599 and Boddy had lost, About a week later, two weeks later, 798 00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:57.860 they did a formal appeal to the WBA asking them 799 00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:00.960 to order an immediate rematch. So they went through their process. 800 00:37:01.440 --> 00:37:05.659 And along with the same situation they did when they 801 00:37:05.719 --> 00:37:08.139 decided what they were doing about the Caterall and the 802 00:37:08.300 --> 00:37:11.760 Tiafema Lopez situation, they issued their ruling and their resolution 803 00:37:12.219 --> 00:37:16.440 on this Scofield body situation. They denied his request for 804 00:37:16.579 --> 00:37:18.280 the immediate rematch. Now they went through and it's a 805 00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:21.909 very interesting resolution. It's like seven pages. I read the 806 00:37:21.929 --> 00:37:24.929 whole damn thing. And they go, there's a bunch of 807 00:37:24.989 --> 00:37:27.329 knockdowns that they claim on the body side that were 808 00:37:27.809 --> 00:37:31.449 missed by the referee. And what the WBA did was 809 00:37:31.489 --> 00:37:37.070 they assigned a independent group of like international referees to 810 00:37:37.110 -->

00:37:39.769 look at the fight on video and to give their perspective. 811 00:37:39.809 --> 00:37:41.210 And then they did the same with a panel of 812 00:37:41.250 --> 00:37:44.230 judges where when they did the judging, they took into 813 00:37:44.289 --> 00:37:47.409 account what would the scores have been had those knockdowns 814 00:37:47.829 --> 00:37:51.320 that we determined by our video replay probably were missed. 815 00:37:51.750 --> 00:37:54.110 And they couldn't come up with body in the majority 816 00:37:54.130 --> 00:37:56.409 of those seven officials watching it. That body would have 817 00:37:56.449 --> 00:37:59.340 won the fight. And they also had some of the 818 00:37:59.380 --> 00:38:01.719 knockdowns where they said, yes, the referee messed up and 819 00:38:01.739 --> 00:38:03.739 it should have been a knockdown. And there was other, 820 00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:06.619 at least one of them that it wasn't really a knockdown. 821 00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:07.820 It was simply that their feet had got. 822 00:38:07.860 --> 00:38:08.179 I do. 823 00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:09.760 I do remember the right call was made. 824 00:38:10.010 --> 00:38:11.889 I do remember this from a couple of weeks ago 825 00:38:11.909 --> 00:38:13.809 when we were talking about it in the aftermath and 826 00:38:13.849 --> 00:38:18.409 the appeal. The big part is. on two of the scorecards, 827 00:38:18.610 --> 00:38:21.909 it was so wide, it would not have mattered if 828 00:38:21.949 --> 00:38:25.369 they granted even a couple of knockdowns. Had he not 829 00:38:25.449 --> 00:38:27.550 knocked him out, he wasn't going to overcome that. It 830 00:38:27.590 --> 00:38:29.889 was only on one card where it would have been 831 00:38:29.949 --> 00:38:31.670 close enough to maybe be a draw. 832 00:38:32.110 --> 00:38:34.530 But they were also looking at it from the standpoint of, 833 00:38:35.070 --> 00:38:38.409 what did their panel of referees think about those knockdowns? 834 00:38:38.469 --> 00:38:39.829 Would you have called them or would you have not? 835 00:38:40.230 --> 00:38:42.340 Some they agreed on, all of them, that the referee 836 00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:46.199 missed it. And then taking those results into account, having... 837 00:38:46.510 --> 00:38:49.929 the judges watched the fight and adjusting their scores based 838 00:38:50.050 --> 00:38:52.989 on what the referees had said were knockdowns. And the 839 00:38:53.050 --> 00:38:57.170 majority of those judges still had Schofield winning the fight. 840 00:38:57.469 --> 00:39:03.289 So they deny that request for the immediate rematch. And 841 00:39:03.329 --> 00:39:05.369 so in a separate resolution that was issued on the 842 00:39:05.409 --> 00:39:08.570 same day, they then therefore ordered Schofield to make his 843 00:39:08.610 --> 00:39:11.929 mandatory defense, which is against Jose Rayo Valenzuela, who's a 844 00:39:11.949 --> 00:39:16.469 Zufa boxing fighter, who was a former WBA title holder 845

00:39:16.489 --> 00:39:19.860 at 140 pounds, but earlier this year dropped back down 846 00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:22.139 to lightweight where he's had his last two fights on 847 00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:24.719 Zufa cards and won. And so now they have until 848 00:39:24.780 --> 00:39:27.389 December 11th to make a deal or they'll order a 849 00:39:27.429 --> 00:39:29.949 purse bid. So next up for Schofield, unless he wants 850 00:39:29.980 --> 00:39:33.360 to vacate the title is supposed to be Schofield against 851 00:39:33.559 --> 00:39:35.900 uh against Valenzuela now it's going to be very interesting 852 00:39:35.940 --> 00:39:38.130 as you and I have talked about any number of 853 00:39:38.190 --> 00:39:40.929 times since Zufa boxing has come into existence of their 854 00:39:40.969 --> 00:39:42.809 ability to work with sanctioning bodies I'm going to be 855 00:39:42.849 --> 00:39:46.409 quite fascinated if they don't make a deal is Zufa 856 00:39:46.449 --> 00:39:49.480 boxing going to register with the WBA and actually go 857 00:39:49.500 --> 00:39:51.440 and get involved in a purse bid. I mean, Dana 858 00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:55.599 White very specifically said in the early days of talking 859 00:39:55.619 --> 00:39:59.280 about his Zufa boxing endeavor and what they anticipated doing, 860 00:39:59.610 --> 00:40:02.010 that he wasn't going to let the organizations determine their 861 00:40:02.070 --> 00:40:04.170 fights and who's fighting you and do purse bids and 862 00:40:04.190 --> 00:40:07.050 all that stuff. Well, they can always make a deal, fine. 863 00:40:07.630 --> 00:40:09.230 And if they don't, you know, the question is, are 864 00:40:09.250 --> 00:40:10.869 they going to support their fighter and be involved in 865 00:40:10.889 --> 00:40:11.309 a purse bid? 866 00:40:12.289 --> 00:40:14.550 All right, let's move along. A couple of other things here. 867 00:40:14.730 --> 00:40:18.960 A couple of announcements. One by Goldenboy.com. about William Zepeda, 868 00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:23.019 and then another fight card as well involving Arnold Barboza 869 00:40:23.059 --> 00:40:24.969 and Oscar Duarte. Tell me what's up. 870 00:40:26.010 --> 00:40:28.989 So William Zepeda is the WBC's lightweight champion. He had 871 00:40:29.070 --> 00:40:32.110 that big win in the defense against Lamont Roach not 872 00:40:32.130 --> 00:40:35.630 that long ago. Jadier Herrera has been the mandatory but 873 00:40:35.670 --> 00:40:38.019 was not at the time technically the mandatory, as we've 874 00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:40.960 discussed a million times. Just because you're number one and 875 00:40:41.019 --> 00:40:43.619 or the interim champion doesn't mean you're the mandatory. But 876 00:40:43.659 --> 00:40:46.260 in this case, they finally made Herrera the mandatory. They 877 00:40:46.320 --> 00:40:49.219 ordered the fight. They had been negotiating between Golden Boy 878 00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:52.820 and Herrera's reps, which are Queensberry promotions. They were getting 879 00:40:52.860 --> 00:40:54.989 close to a deal. So they had asked the WBC 880 00:40:55.369 --> 00:40:57.250 on two occasions to postpone the purse bid so they 881 00:40:57.269 --> 00:40:59.769 could get their shit together. The purse bid was then 882 00:40:59.809 --> 00:41:01.570 the next date that they had assigned it to was 883 00:41:01.590 --> 00:41:04.170 supposed to be on Tuesday of this week. They came 884 00:41:04.210 --> 00:41:06.280 to an agreement just before the purse bid. It was canceled. 885 00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:08.719 They have a deal in principle, as Eric Gomez from 886 00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:11.039 Golden Boy tells me. It has not been announced, but 887 00:41:11.260 --> 00:41:12.880 Eric is on the record telling me they have a deal. 888 00:41:13.460 --> 00:41:15.119 And it is supposed to be March 13th on DAZN. 889 00:41:16.500 --> 00:41:19.019 site to be announced. And that my friend. is to 890 00:41:19.059 --> 00:41:22.380 me a very, very interesting fight. Very, very interesting fight. Zepeda. 891 00:41:22.420 --> 00:41:25.639 You're high on Herrera, and these are styles that also 892 00:41:25.739 --> 00:41:27.260 go together here for a lot of action. 893 00:41:27.500 --> 00:41:29.239 I like Herrera, but I'm not sure I like him 894 00:41:29.300 --> 00:41:30.500 against Zepeda. You know what I mean? 895 00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:30.760 All right. 896 00:41:31.300 --> 00:41:32.500 But it's a really good, interesting fight. 897 00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:34.260 The only disappointing thing is we've got to wait all 898 00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:35.199 the way until March. 899 00:41:35.409 --> 00:41:37.510 Here we go again without him. We're getting to December already. 900 00:41:37.550 --> 00:41:38.309 The schedule is the schedule. 901 00:41:38.329 --> 00:41:40.510 Yeah, but out of sight, out of mind that it's 902 00:41:40.530 --> 00:41:41.190 still another. 903 00:41:41.010 --> 00:41:42.769 Four or five months. You say that every week. You still, 904 00:41:42.809 --> 00:41:44.869 to this day, after doing this fucking show with you 905 00:41:44.909 --> 00:41:47.269 for like four years, have no concept of how the 906 00:41:47.309 --> 00:41:48.190 boxing calendar works. 907 00:41:49.090 --> 00:41:51.230 I do have a concept of how it works. And 908 00:41:51.289 --> 00:41:53.570 what I say is when you bemoan the fact that 909 00:41:53.659 --> 00:41:56.219 no one cares and no one tunes in on pay-per-view 910 00:41:56.280 --> 00:41:59.760 and no one watches, it's because it's because whatever, because 911 00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:02.760 the fighters take eight months, 10. 912 00:42:02.280 --> 00:42:04.559 Months, a year, not the fighters in this. 913 00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:07.460 Well, but in some cases it is, they don't want 914 00:42:07.599 --> 00:42:09.300 to be active. They don't want to keep their name 915 00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:13.050 out there. I'm just saying Zepeda is an action fighter. 916 00:42:13.449 -->

00:42:14.570 And he fought in August. 917 00:42:15.050 --> 00:42:16.670 I understand. 918 00:42:16.969 --> 00:42:19.250 It's not unheard of that he could be back in January. 919 00:42:19.670 --> 00:42:20.449 It's not unheard of. 920 00:42:20.489 --> 00:42:23.070 Not with a mandatory fight. And another thing, and this 921 00:42:23.130 --> 00:42:26.030 is just the reality, and you can disagree and that's fine, 922 00:42:26.050 --> 00:42:29.260 but you're just wrong. This is dictated by the broadcaster. 923 00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:32.059 Somebody has to pay the freight. Someone's got to put 924 00:42:32.099 --> 00:42:34.360 up the fucking money, and the people who are putting 925 00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:36.179 up the money are the zone. And when they tell 926 00:42:36.219 --> 00:42:38.480 you this is your date, that's your date, or you 927 00:42:38.500 --> 00:42:40.800 can go pound sand or do it in the dark. 928 00:42:41.099 --> 00:42:45.489 So they took March 13th. That's when it's happening. Not 929 00:42:45.510 --> 00:42:47.610 because there's a reason that the fighters don't want to fight. 930 00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:48.840 That's the bottom line. 931 00:42:49.260 --> 00:42:52.480 But again, the system has been broken for a while. 932 00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:53.679 That's undeniable. 933 00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:54.440 I agree with that. 934 00:42:54.460 --> 00:42:56.699 You have also bemoaned the fact that all the promoters 935 00:42:56.739 --> 00:42:59.199 have aligned with the same broadcaster and that that would 936 00:42:59.239 --> 00:43:02.619 create problems. And here's the big word, SAT word. Here's 937 00:43:02.659 --> 00:43:04.760 the manifestation of that, that you've got to wait to 938 00:43:04.780 --> 00:43:08.030 put your guy back in the ring until the broadcaster says, yeah, 939 00:43:08.090 --> 00:43:11.050 it's not going to be until spring, until March. 940 00:43:11.190 --> 00:43:14.570 We agree on that concept. But your ire is directed 941 00:43:14.610 --> 00:43:17.099 at the wrong people is the point. There are only 942 00:43:17.199 --> 00:43:17.639 so many. 943 00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:19.789 Why can I not hold the promoters and the fighters 944 00:43:19.849 --> 00:43:22.389 responsible for not wanting to be more active and have 945 00:43:22.429 --> 00:43:24.030 their guy be more active and then create more? 946 00:43:24.050 --> 00:43:25.730 Do you not think that the promoter would love to 947 00:43:25.750 --> 00:43:27.670 put on more shows and get more money to do 948 00:43:27.690 --> 00:43:29.110 those shows and that the fighters want to fight? 949 00:43:29.469 --> 00:43:31.380 I don't think there's a lot of validity that they 950 00:43:31.400 --> 00:43:33.059 want to do it that often because they don't. 951 00:43:33.539 --> 00:43:35.400 The promoters make money when they put on events. 952 00:43:35.739 --> 00:43:37.139 Yeah, but a lot of these promoters and a lot 953 00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:39.280 of these fighters want to fight once a year. or 954 00:43:39.340 --> 00:43:39.780 maybe twice. 955 00:43:39.820 --> 00:43:41.750 I can tell you that Jada Herrera and William Spade 956 00:43:41.769 --> 00:43:42.869 are not those types of fighters. 957 00:43:42.989 --> 00:43:44.690 All right, let's get them in the ring. That's all 958 00:43:44.730 --> 00:43:45.090 I'm saying. 959 00:43:45.130 --> 00:43:47.570 Well, we're going on March fucking 13th, bro. All right. 960 00:43:47.630 --> 00:43:50.150 Now the other fight that they did announce, let's hear 961 00:43:50.190 --> 00:43:52.809 it for January, is Barbosa and Duarte. Give me the 962 00:43:52.849 --> 00:43:54.710 particulars on the date and where. Okay. 963 00:43:54.750 --> 00:43:56.929 Not a surprise. I reported this about, I actually went 964 00:43:56.969 --> 00:43:58.570 back and looked about a month and a half ago 965 00:43:58.610 --> 00:44:01.070 that they had agreed the terms on this fight. Again, 966 00:44:01.409 --> 00:44:04.550 the hangup, and I don't even say hangup, but The 967 00:44:04.590 --> 00:44:06.449 part they had to kind of hash through was they 968 00:44:06.469 --> 00:44:08.570 had to get the date from DAZN. DAZN was doing 969 00:44:08.590 --> 00:44:10.269 the fight. They were on board. It was a matter 970 00:44:10.289 --> 00:44:12.730 of them also having to put their calendar together. You know, 971 00:44:12.750 --> 00:44:14.300 think about it like a jigsaw puzzle. You've got a 972 00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:16.639 bunch of fighters and a bunch of promoters. You know, 973 00:44:16.659 --> 00:44:19.300 you've got to match up dates with arenas. And there's 974 00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:20.519 a lot of things you've got to do before you 975 00:44:20.539 --> 00:44:23.000 can get it squared away. But nonetheless, Arnold Barbosa was 976 00:44:23.059 --> 00:44:27.400 a top-level welterweight contender. And Oscar Duarte, who unfortunately missed 977 00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:29.849 out on his opportunity to fight for the junior welterweight 978 00:44:29.869 --> 00:44:32.030 title when Richardson Hitchens pulled out on the day of 979 00:44:32.050 --> 00:44:34.219 the fight because of He got ill. This was after 980 00:44:34.260 --> 00:44:36.280 the weigh-in, the morning of the fight had happened that 981 00:44:36.300 --> 00:44:38.820 he pulled out. So he's going up to welterweight. They're 982 00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:41.460 both Golden Boy fighters. This is a pretty good matchup, 983 00:44:41.480 --> 00:44:43.590 if you ask me. They're fighting. The date is now 984 00:44:43.639 --> 00:44:45.789 January 23rd. It'll be the zone, of course. It's going 985 00:44:45.809 --> 00:44:48.730 to be at the Honda Center in Anaheim, California. And 986 00:44:49.070 --> 00:44:51.489 it's not a title fight. It's not like an official eliminator. 987 00:44:51.750 --> 00:44:55.190 Just two good contenders, hopefully making a good rumble and 988 00:44:55.489 --> 00:44:57.110 putting on a show. And so that was what Golden 989 00:44:57.130 -->

00:44:59.630 Boy announced earlier on Thursday. All right. 990 00:44:59.710 --> 00:45:01.969 So we get that one in the ring. Let's move 991 00:45:02.130 --> 00:45:06.269 on to a couple of other items. Heavyweights. Weren't Jarrell 992 00:45:06.329 --> 00:45:09.369 Miller and Tony Yoka supposed to fight? Am I remembering 993 00:45:09.389 --> 00:45:12.889 this earlier this year? And now the fight is on 994 00:45:13.409 --> 00:45:15.860 for later and it's going to actually be in December. 995 00:45:17.449 --> 00:45:19.340 Somebody got injured, right? Didn't Yoka get injured? 996 00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:22.079 I honestly don't. TJ, I don't remember. 997 00:45:22.179 --> 00:45:23.420 I think we got it. 998 00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:23.880 Okay. 999 00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:25.900 I think Yoka got hurt. They were trying to have 1000 00:45:25.940 --> 00:45:27.000 him fight Big Baby Miller. 1001 00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:28.400 Anyway, that could have been the case. 1002 00:45:28.420 --> 00:45:31.340 The fight is now on and give them the details 1003 00:45:31.380 --> 00:45:32.579 of when we're going to see this. And we don't 1004 00:45:32.619 --> 00:45:33.460 have to wait till March. 1005 00:45:34.300 --> 00:45:36.239 So Gerald Miller and Tony Oka are two like what 1006 00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:39.570 I would consider like second tier heavyweight contenders. They're not 1007 00:45:39.630 --> 00:45:42.010 among the elite, but they're well, they're, you know, they're name, 1008 00:45:42.590 --> 00:45:45.750 name guys. Gerald Miller has been pretty active, actually. You know, 1009 00:45:45.769 --> 00:45:48.190 he had two fights in 84 days, not that long ago. 1010 00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:52.019 And if you go back to April 25th, his last fight, 1011 00:45:52.059 --> 00:45:54.880 it was only 84 days since he had another fight 1012 00:45:54.900 --> 00:45:57.460 before that. And in that fight, he threw like a 1013 00:45:57.519 --> 00:46:01.530 thousand punches and won the fight against Lennar. Pero became 1014 00:46:01.949 --> 00:46:04.929 the mandatory challenger for the WBA regular champion, which is 1015 00:46:04.969 --> 00:46:09.989 Murat Gassiev. Tony Oka is the former gold medalist from France. 1016 00:46:10.409 --> 00:46:12.670 And he hurt his back when he was supposed to 1017 00:46:12.789 --> 00:46:15.949 fight Gassiev in the summer. So just for clarification, that 1018 00:46:15.989 --> 00:46:17.159 was supposed to happen in the summer. 1019 00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:19.809 Okay, keep going. So they are now lined up to 1020 00:46:19.849 --> 00:46:23.139 fight each other. And it's kind of an interesting location. 1021 00:46:23.219 --> 00:46:25.639 And it's going to be on a Sunday, December the 20th. 1022 00:46:25.659 --> 00:46:30.260 So eight days after Fury versus Joshua, another heavyweight fight 1023 00:46:30.380 --> 00:46:34.619 with some stakes because of the WBA's situation with Gerald Miller. 1024 00:46:34.929 --> 00:46:37.730 And it's taking place in Accra, Ghana, where they've been 1025 00:46:37.750 --> 00:46:39.869 doing some cards. And Matchroom has done a card there 1026 00:46:39.909 --> 00:46:42.869 with the group from Ghana earlier this year. They're going 1027 00:46:42.889 --> 00:46:45.610 to go back and do another show. Queensberry is involved 1028 00:46:45.670 --> 00:46:49.739 also because they're the promoter's of Tony Yoka and some 1029 00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:53.739 other local promoters in Africa. So, you know, look, it's 1030 00:46:53.820 --> 00:46:58.050 two somewhat name heavyweights. Miller's in a position to fight 1031 00:46:58.150 --> 00:47:01.369 Garcia for a belt. Obviously, if Yoka is the winner, 1032 00:47:01.409 --> 00:47:03.409 you know, he'll probably get closer to that. I don't 1033 00:47:03.429 --> 00:47:05.969 know if he'll actually take over that position. The thing 1034 00:47:05.989 --> 00:47:07.849 about Yoka that was kind of crazy to me is 1035 00:47:08.739 --> 00:47:13.300 he actually fought last week on the Hutchinson-Buatzi undercard. TJ, 1036 00:47:13.340 --> 00:47:14.949 they never announced his fight. 1037 00:47:15.030 --> 00:47:17.010 I was going to say, I remember seeing something that 1038 00:47:17.070 --> 00:47:18.510 suddenly he was in the ring and I saw a 1039 00:47:18.530 --> 00:47:20.889 highlight and I'm like, we didn't talk about it. And 1040 00:47:20.949 --> 00:47:22.949 if you didn't know about it, then what are we 1041 00:47:23.010 --> 00:47:23.590 doing here? 1042 00:47:23.949 --> 00:47:27.110 When they sent out the weights from the weigh-in of 1043 00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:31.579 the Friday weigh-in for the Hutchinson card, they didn't include 1044 00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:33.880 a Tony Oka fight in those weights. And I actually 1045 00:47:34.159 --> 00:47:37.039 asked the Queensberry PR, what's the deal? And I never 1046 00:47:37.099 --> 00:47:40.039 got the courtesy of a response. Regardless, he went in 1047 00:47:40.059 --> 00:47:42.869 the ring against a tomato can guy opponent who has 1048 00:47:42.869 --> 00:47:45.969 10 wins, 20 losses, and one draw. He won a 1049 00:47:46.030 --> 00:47:49.519 six-round decision, which was clearly, they would never have made 1050 00:47:49.539 --> 00:47:51.460 that match if he didn't already have this Gerald Miller 1051 00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:53.619 fight signed. It was the tune-up to get him a 1052 00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:56.260 warm-up fight because he hadn't fought for a year. And 1053 00:47:56.300 --> 00:47:57.880 so they're going to go and have this main event 1054 00:47:57.940 --> 00:48:01.690 in Ghana on December 20th. Okay. 1055 00:48:01.710 --> 00:48:04.309 A couple more apps. You mentioned the Fury Joshua card. 1056 00:48:04.409 --> 00:48:06.570 A couple more fights have been added to that card. 1057 00:48:06.670 --> 00:48:09.489 And speaking of Martin Boccoli, he's one of those names. 1058 00:48:10.570 --> 00:48:11.670 When did we speak of Martin Bacoli? 1059 00:48:11.849 --> 00:48:14.349 Didn't you

bring him up about beating Tony Yoka? I 1060 00:48:14.369 --> 00:48:16.130 thought you brought up Bacoli beating Tony Yoka. 1061 00:48:16.230 --> 00:48:18.050 I didn't bring that up, but he did beat Tony Yoka. 1062 00:48:18.070 --> 00:48:19.829 He did beat him pillar to post. That was my 1063 00:48:19.889 --> 00:48:20.630 famous phrase. 1064 00:48:21.250 --> 00:48:22.789 That was probably in your own mind, TJ, that you 1065 00:48:22.829 --> 00:48:23.409 were thinking about. 1066 00:48:23.449 --> 00:48:26.059 In any event, Bacoli, who we know, who also beat 1067 00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:29.559 up Jared Anderson. You were at that fight in August 1068 00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:33.320 of 2024. But he famously, on like 36 hours notice, 1069 00:48:33.380 --> 00:48:35.659 came to fight. Listen to me doing the whole setup 1070 00:48:35.699 --> 00:48:37.019 here about what you're about to talk about. He came 1071 00:48:37.039 --> 00:48:39.260 to fight Joseph Parker in Saudi Arabia and got knocked out. 1072 00:48:39.820 --> 00:48:41.420 But Macaulay's at least a bit of a name, and 1073 00:48:41.460 --> 00:48:42.650 who's he fighting, and what's going on? 1074 00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:46.619 Okay, so this is the Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury, other 1075 00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:49.139 fights part of the Netflix broadcast. We've got the big 1076 00:48:49.159 --> 00:48:51.340 main event with Fury and Joshua. We've got the very 1077 00:48:51.389 --> 00:48:56.250 interesting name value co-feature with Deontay Wilder and Jai Obataya. 1078 00:48:56.690 --> 00:48:58.610 And I think a lot of people were hoping that 1079 00:48:58.650 --> 00:49:01.710 we'd see some higher profile fights for the remainder of 1080 00:49:01.730 --> 00:49:03.929 that main card. So they added the two cards this week. 1081 00:49:04.420 --> 00:49:06.840 two more heavyweight fights. And let's be honest, it leaves 1082 00:49:06.900 --> 00:49:09.360 a lot to be desired. Actually, I'm going to be 1083 00:49:09.380 --> 00:49:11.619 a little nicer. I watched a YouTube video with our 1084 00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:14.289 good pal Eddie Hearn, who we went blistering on these 1085 00:49:14.349 --> 00:49:18.340 other fights on this undercard. Marlon Bacoli, who is coming 1086 00:49:18.420 --> 00:49:21.440 off of that knockout loss to Parker, forgivable because he 1087 00:49:21.460 --> 00:49:23.900 took the fight on like about a day notice and 1088 00:49:23.940 --> 00:49:27.099 flew all the way from Congo to Saudi Arabia. He's 1089 00:49:27.139 --> 00:49:30.030 coming off of a draw against F.A. Ajagba. He hasn't 1090 00:49:30.050 --> 00:49:33.230 fought in about a year. He's taking on an entirely 1091 00:49:33.349 --> 00:49:36.170 unknown opponent. Doesn't mean he's no good, but his record 1092 00:49:36.190 --> 00:49:39.659 indicates he's never fought a blessed soul named Salomon Adebayo 1093 00:49:39.780 --> 00:49:42.449 from Nigeria. So that's the third fight down the card. 1094 00:49:42.829 --> 00:49:45.190 And then the opener of the Netflix broadcast, they say, 1095 00:49:45.690 --> 00:49:48.550 is Demazian Van Hooter, who we talked about last week, 1096 00:49:48.570 --> 00:49:51.210 who was just on the Zupa boxing card in England 1097 00:49:51.250 --> 00:49:54.190 where Chris Bill and Smith headlined in the Shev Clark 1098 00:49:54.230 --> 00:49:56.449 fight and got knocked out. But Van Hooter in his 1099 00:49:56.489 --> 00:49:58.840 fight scored a first-round knockout, and he's going to be 1100 00:49:58.860 --> 00:50:02.019 right back in the ring, speaking of activity. And he's 1101 00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:05.099 going to take on a Belgium fighter named Michael Asamba, 1102 00:50:05.460 --> 00:50:08.300 another guy with a record that is absolutely of nobody's. 1103 00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:11.320 who was 11 and two with 10 knockouts. So I 1104 00:50:11.340 --> 00:50:13.429 think the viewpoint for most people is you're taking these 1105 00:50:13.469 --> 00:50:17.510 two amazing slots on Netflix worldwide on the undercard of 1106 00:50:17.550 --> 00:50:20.210 a mega fight between Fury and Joshua with a very, 1107 00:50:20.289 --> 00:50:24.300 very interesting co-feature in Wilder and Obataya. And you've put 1108 00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:27.659 on two heavyweights that are at least going into the fight, 1109 00:50:28.000 --> 00:50:29.119 look like squash matches. 1110 00:50:30.820 --> 00:50:35.199 So there you go. And it's all heavyweight action. So 1111 00:50:35.739 --> 00:50:38.710 that's interesting. But this is Turkey Alchic behind that with 1112 00:50:38.730 --> 00:50:40.750 the Netflix people. And there you go. So that's the 1113 00:50:40.849 --> 00:50:45.090 fill out of that card coming up in Cardiff with 1114 00:50:45.130 --> 00:50:48.389 the Fury Joshua main event. One more item. You have 1115 00:50:48.469 --> 00:50:53.010 learned about Oscar Collazo being back. Tell me tell me 1116 00:50:53.070 --> 00:50:56.440 more about when he's going to be back. And it's 1117 00:50:56.480 --> 00:50:58.300 interesting the card that he's going to be on. So 1118 00:50:58.340 --> 00:50:58.679 go ahead. 1119 00:50:59.570 --> 00:51:01.849 Well, Oscar Collazo, one of my favorite smaller weight fighters 1120 00:51:01.909 --> 00:51:04.269 in boxing today. He is a very exciting fighter. He's 1121 00:51:04.289 --> 00:51:08.590 the lineal and the WBA strawweight champion. He recently gave 1122 00:51:08.690 --> 00:51:11.090 up the WBO title because he did not go through 1123 00:51:11.130 --> 00:51:13.800 with the mandatory against the interim champion that would have 1124 00:51:13.820 --> 00:51:16.119 been in Japan. They pulled out before the purse bid 1125 00:51:16.139 --> 00:51:18.679 took place, but he still has the WBA and the 1126 00:51:18.719 --> 00:51:21.840 lineal titles. He has extended. This is again, this is 1127 00:51:21.920 --> 00:51:25.199 from my conversation with Eric Gomez. He has extended his 1128 00:51:25.239 --> 00:51:28.920 promotional agreement with

Golden Boy. and Miguel Cotto Promotions. They're 1129 00:51:28.960 --> 00:51:32.159 co-promoters of Oscar Classo. He's a Puerto Rican fighter. And 1130 00:51:32.199 --> 00:51:34.420 he is, not only is he staying, there was some speculation. 1131 00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:37.179 Is he going to stay at strawweight, or is he 1132 00:51:37.199 --> 00:51:39.280 going to stay up at the heavier weight? Because remember, 1133 00:51:39.300 --> 00:51:41.590 he had gone up in weight to fight Sandoval for 1134 00:51:41.610 --> 00:51:44.269 the unified title at flyweight, but he injured his rib. 1135 00:51:44.289 --> 00:51:46.789 The fight got canceled. Sandoval fought a late replacement and lost. 1136 00:51:47.250 --> 00:51:50.349 And so they decided he's going back to strawweight. He's 1137 00:51:50.369 --> 00:51:52.650 going to defend the title. No opponent just yet. It's 1138 00:51:52.670 --> 00:51:54.650 going to be January the 9th. It's going to be 1139 00:51:54.670 --> 00:51:58.030 the co-feature in Puerto Rico. Golden Boy is working. with MVP, 1140 00:51:58.510 --> 00:52:00.929 where the main event that night is Amanda Serrano's farewell 1141 00:52:00.969 --> 00:52:06.380 fight against Sky Falzone. And this is interesting also, another 1142 00:52:06.460 --> 00:52:09.539 fight that's going to be on the TNT DAZN True 1143 00:52:09.579 --> 00:52:13.139 TV on the fight series. So you can watch Oscar Collazo. 1144 00:52:13.179 --> 00:52:15.980 You can watch the farewell fight for the great Amanda Serrano, 1145 00:52:16.360 --> 00:52:18.889 not only on DAZN, but also on linear cable television, 1146 00:52:18.909 --> 00:52:19.969 which I think is a beautiful thing. 1147 00:52:20.650 --> 00:52:22.409 All right, so we'll learn about the opponent, and I 1148 00:52:22.590 --> 00:52:25.650 agree with you. Collazo has been active, oh, by the way, too, 1149 00:52:25.750 --> 00:52:28.050 which keeps his name out there, and he had that injury. 1150 00:52:28.320 --> 00:52:31.219 And then Sandoval went ahead and got beat, right, in 1151 00:52:31.239 --> 00:52:34.039 the fight by the replacement opponent. So that whole opportunity 1152 00:52:34.059 --> 00:52:36.599 went bye-bye. So we'll look for him, and we don't 1153 00:52:36.619 --> 00:52:38.940 have to wait that long, within about 60 days here. 1154 00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:42.239 I believe that's a full show. We circle back to 1155 00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:45.159 the preview mode, and Diego Pacheco, the one that we 1156 00:52:45.179 --> 00:52:49.599 care about the most here in the U.S., at least anyway... Carson, California. 1157 00:52:49.639 --> 00:52:51.639 Matchroom, DAZN. Maybe you do. Maybe you do. 1158 00:52:51.969 --> 00:52:56.449 Well, you pooh-poohed on him a bunch here so far. 1159 00:52:57.289 --> 00:53:00.030 Let's see if he delivers a spectacular win or not 1160 00:53:00.070 --> 00:53:02.670 in the super middleweight main event, the Matchroom, DAZN main event. 1161 00:53:02.690 --> 00:53:04.789 And again, TNT

and TruTV have it as part of 1162 00:53:04.809 --> 00:53:07.030 the fight. You can see it with your lineal cable 1163 00:53:07.369 --> 00:53:07.869 on Saturday night. 1164 00:53:07.889 --> 00:53:09.630 I'm all about Oluskogwa this weekend, baby. 1165 00:53:09.829 --> 00:53:13.190 Yeah, Oluskogwa's defending his flyweight title in the co-feature. And 1166 00:53:13.210 --> 00:53:17.440 then Carlos Adamas... and Jerome Warburton are the headlining fight 1167 00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:21.380 of the Zufa boxing card in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, Saturday afternoon, 1168 00:53:21.860 --> 00:53:24.579 with Jason Maloney, Bruno Serrase, both in separate fights on 1169 00:53:24.619 --> 00:53:27.820 the undercard. And we will recap all of this coming 1170 00:53:27.889 --> 00:53:30.989 off the weekend on the Recap Pod. Anything else, or 1171 00:53:31.030 --> 00:53:32.570 are we good? Headed into the weekend. 1172 00:53:32.590 --> 00:53:35.110 I think we're good. I've already given my dental update. 1173 00:53:35.289 --> 00:53:37.849 You gave the dental update. We gave the update that 1174 00:53:37.889 --> 00:53:40.929 it's too soon for Christmas decorations and for all the 1175 00:53:40.969 --> 00:53:43.829 Christmas shopping. one of the radio stations that I love 1176 00:53:43.849 --> 00:53:46.409 to listen to, has already been promoting that starting on 1177 00:53:46.550 --> 00:53:49.400 Friday morning, Friday as we release this, they're going to 1178 00:53:49.429 --> 00:53:53.320 start the 24-hour Christmas music marathon from now until Christmas 1179 00:53:53.920 --> 00:53:56.920 on November the 13th. God help us. 1180 00:53:57.460 --> 00:54:00.860 My favorite part of the Christmas season, TJ, is every 1181 00:54:00.900 --> 00:54:03.730 year I have to at least once watch the movie Elf. 1182 00:54:04.469 --> 00:54:07.090 Yeah, Elf, yes, and A Christmas Story is tremendous too. 1183 00:54:07.130 --> 00:54:08.289 You'll shoot your eye out, kid. 1184 00:54:09.630 --> 00:54:10.130 You know what? 1185 00:54:10.750 --> 00:54:13.760 Let's reconvene on Sunday and recap the fights. What do 1186 00:54:13.780 --> 00:54:14.199 you say? 1187 00:54:14.219 --> 00:54:15.159 Sounds good. 1188 00:54:15.360 --> 00:54:17.659 Let's do it. There goes Dan Rayfield. Fight Freaks Unite 1189 00:54:17.699 --> 00:54:19.380 is the sub stack. You need to be following. You 1190 00:54:19.400 --> 00:54:21.820 need to be subscribing to get the newsletter and to 1191 00:54:21.860 --> 00:54:25.980 get all the info. Follow and subscribe on this pod feed, Apple, Spreaker, Spotify. 1192 00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:30.050 We got much more in store in the coming weeks. 1193 00:54:30.219 --> 00:54:32.750 Stay with us. Also find the Big Fight Weekend YouTube page. 1194 00:54:32.849 --> 00:54:36.269 Unique content there, video content, nostalgia content. 1195 00:54:36.730 --> 00:54:37.289 Etc. 1196 00:54:37.329 --> 00:54:39.969 We had recent nostalgia on the George Foreman knockout. We 1197 00:54:39.989 --> 00:54:42.599 brought it back. The George Foreman knockout of Michael Moore. 1198 00:54:43.059 --> 00:54:45.679 The Rumble in the Jungle knockout by Muhammad Ali over 1199 00:54:45.719 --> 00:54:50.860 George Foreman 20 years earlier. Evander Holyfield becoming undisputed heavyweight 1200 00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:53.440 champion with the one booming punch on Buster Douglas. All 1201 00:54:53.460 --> 00:54:55.599 of those are available on the YouTube page. Go find 1202 00:54:55.619 --> 00:54:58.840 them as part of the Big Fight Weekend YouTube page. 1203 00:54:58.889 --> 00:55:01.210 Search it up. You can watch Dan and I reminiscing. 1204 00:55:01.230 --> 00:55:04.869 We love going over the old school fights. The anniversary 1205 00:55:04.909 --> 00:55:07.760 of Marvin Hagler and Roberto Duran, I think, was this week. 1206 00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:09.800 It was amazing. 1207 00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:11.420 You know what today is as we tape this? 1208 00:55:11.500 --> 00:55:12.440 Yes. What about today? 1209 00:55:12.699 --> 00:55:15.519 Thursday is the anniversary of one of the I considered 1210 00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:18.139 a top 10 fight in the history of boxing with 1211 00:55:18.179 --> 00:55:21.119 the X with the asterisk of things available on video 1212 00:55:21.179 --> 00:55:23.699 or film. And that is the amazing first fight between 1213 00:55:23.860 --> 00:55:26.010 legends Alexis Arguello and Aaron Pryor. 1214 00:55:26.050 --> 00:55:26.929 Oh, my Lord. 1215 00:55:26.949 --> 00:55:27.070 Yeah. 1216 00:55:27.090 --> 00:55:29.050 And I think I saw you. You put up a 1217 00:55:29.090 --> 00:55:31.010 couple of memorabilia things about that. I didn't know that 1218 00:55:31.030 --> 00:55:31.650 was today. 1219 00:55:31.650 --> 00:55:35.590 1982, so 44 years ago today. 1220 00:55:35.590 --> 00:55:38.460 44 years ago, the Orange Bowl, now torn down in Miami. 1221 00:55:38.500 --> 00:55:41.940 It's now the baseball stadium in Miami. And Barry Tompkins 1222 00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:44.219 was on with us on this pod feed. I don't 1223 00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:45.260 know if you were with me or if it was 1224 00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:49.289 before you came aboard. And he said, out of all 1225 00:55:49.329 --> 00:55:52.610 of the great fights that he did on HBO, that's 1226 00:55:52.670 --> 00:55:55.849 the most memorable of all of them. For everything that 1227 00:55:55.889 --> 00:55:59.909 went into that fight, including the controversy after it, you 1228 00:55:59.949 --> 00:56:02.630 had it all. Death threats against Arguello. 1229 00:56:03.389 --> 00:56:06.639 And keep in mind, Arguello, not the champion and going 1230 00:56:06.659 --> 00:56:08.400 into the fight, but because of where it was taking 1231 00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:11.389 place in a heavily... Hispanic market, and he's from Nicaragua, 1232 00:56:11.710 --> 00:56:14.969 even though Pryor was American. Arguello was the fan favorite, 1233 00:56:15.590 --> 00:56:17.940 the so-called pretty boy, if

you will. He was the 1234 00:56:17.960 --> 00:56:19.659 one looking to make the history of trying to win. 1235 00:56:20.119 --> 00:56:21.699 He was trying to become the first ever fighter to 1236 00:56:21.719 --> 00:56:23.920 win a world title in four different weight classes. Obviously 1237 00:56:23.940 --> 00:56:26.250 now it's been done several times, but back then it 1238 00:56:26.289 --> 00:56:29.110 was like an unbelievable feat that if it could happen. 1239 00:56:29.659 --> 00:56:31.539 And they put on an absolute fight for the ages. 1240 00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:33.900 So we need to tease again. Go find the Big 1241 00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:36.480 Fight Weekend YouTube page because you and I talked about 1242 00:56:36.519 --> 00:56:36.960 that fight. 1243 00:56:36.980 --> 00:56:38.079 Did we do that one? Yes. 1244 00:56:38.159 --> 00:56:40.280 You can search up the video. It's right there on 1245 00:56:40.300 --> 00:56:42.429 the video. We've talked about that fight before. 1246 00:56:42.449 --> 00:56:45.349 So I put up, as you mentioned, my memorabilia. I 1247 00:56:45.389 --> 00:56:46.789 have a few pieces from the fight. The one I 1248 00:56:46.829 --> 00:56:50.250 posted today as we taped this was the program from 1249 00:56:50.289 --> 00:56:52.349 the fight. You'd think, I mean, this is a major, 1250 00:56:52.389 --> 00:56:54.809 major fight. It's taking place in a big stadium like 1251 00:56:54.849 --> 00:56:58.469 the Orange Bowl. Popular fighters. They had about 30 some 1252 00:56:58.510 --> 00:57:00.139 thousand people in attendance for the fight. 1253 00:57:00.380 --> 00:57:02.139 Probably more, probably more. 1254 00:57:02.340 --> 00:57:04.239 Yeah. 35,000, whatever it was, but it was a big crowd, 1255 00:57:04.300 --> 00:57:07.119 not like 2000 or something in a ballroom. Point being 1256 00:57:07.179 --> 00:57:09.260 is that you'd figure, okay, that's a big event, a 1257 00:57:09.300 --> 00:57:11.920 popular fight turned out to be a legendary fight. You know, 1258 00:57:11.940 --> 00:57:14.099 that finding a program wouldn't be the most complicated thing 1259 00:57:14.139 --> 00:57:16.099 in the world that, you know, I'm not saying it 1260 00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:17.679 will be common, but you'd be able to find them 1261 00:57:17.719 --> 00:57:21.300 around whatever condition TJ. I, and I, I, I'm making 1262 00:57:21.340 --> 00:57:24.150 this statement. Uh, I'm going to lean on my expertise 1263 00:57:24.190 --> 00:57:26.610 in this area of collecting, uh, as somebody that's done 1264 00:57:26.630 --> 00:57:29.909 this for the better part of, you know, 35 years 1265 00:57:29.929 --> 00:57:33.710 as a collector of boxing memorabilia, I declare the Arguello 1266 00:57:33.769 --> 00:57:38.469 Prior I program the most difficult, rarest big fight program, 1267 00:57:38.909 --> 00:57:40.969 at least from the 80s to the present. I have 1268 00:57:41.030 --> 00:57:43.449 a copy. It is in like mint to near mint condition. 1269 00:57:43.489

--> 00:57:45.530 It's like the Ark of the Covenant from Harrison Ford 1270 00:57:45.550 --> 00:57:46.590 and Raiders of the Lost Ark. 1271 00:57:46.769 --> 00:57:50.230 In 30 years of doing this, I think I've literally 1272 00:57:50.309 --> 00:57:52.630 seen three copies of the program, the one I own 1273 00:57:52.710 --> 00:57:55.530 and two others that were on websites of known dealers. 1274 00:57:56.239 --> 00:57:59.739 It was so irritating to me that this was, not 1275 00:58:00.059 --> 00:58:01.739 because I didn't have it, because I had one, but 1276 00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:03.820 I couldn't for the life of me understand how could 1277 00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:06.840 you have such a big fight with such popular fighters 1278 00:58:06.860 --> 00:58:08.840 that turn out to be a fucking classic, and you 1279 00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:11.539 can't even find a beater copy of the program. You 1280 00:58:11.559 --> 00:58:12.269 just can't find it. 1281 00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:14.619 All the Arguello fans were mad and threw their programs 1282 00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:16.179 down in the trash. 1283 00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:21.340 That could have been it. I so couldn't understand this, 1284 00:58:21.699 --> 00:58:24.639 and top rank was the promoter of the fight. I 1285 00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:26.920 called up Bob Arum one day and I, and I didn't, 1286 00:58:27.039 --> 00:58:28.860 it was like a long shot. I said, and I 1287 00:58:28.900 --> 00:58:32.239 explained the situation. He had no fucking clue why there 1288 00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:35.159 was no programs. I asked now the one I thought 1289 00:58:35.219 --> 00:58:37.929 might have an idea is, is the great Bruce Trampler, 1290 00:58:37.949 --> 00:58:39.989 the hall of fame matchmaker from top rank, who was 1291 00:58:40.050 --> 00:58:43.090 with top rank at the time had really no, no 1292 00:58:43.130 --> 00:58:45.690 real idea of why it was such a rarity. It's 1293 00:58:45.730 --> 00:58:47.650 not like top rank has any stick, you know, stash 1294 00:58:47.690 --> 00:58:50.369 in the office somewhere. So it remains ever a mystery 1295 00:58:50.389 --> 00:58:52.329 to me. The only thing I can think of- How long. 1296 00:58:52.190 --> 00:58:53.940 Ago, while we're just here, how long ago did you 1297 00:58:53.980 --> 00:58:54.679 get your hands on it? 1298 00:58:55.179 --> 00:58:57.099 Probably seven or eight years ago. Wow. All right. 1299 00:58:57.619 --> 00:58:58.780 Very few floating around. 1300 00:58:59.219 --> 00:59:01.000 Great fight. Like I said, I've seen three in 30 years. 1301 00:59:01.019 --> 00:59:03.699 I look at auction houses and eBay and other dealers 1302 00:59:03.739 --> 00:59:05.570 and other collectors and this and that. 1303 00:59:05.829 --> 00:59:08.929 The fight is an amazing fight and all the controversy. 1304 00:59:08.989 --> 00:59:10.730 Give me the water. No, no. the other one the 1305 00:59:10.809 --> 00:59:13.280 one that i mixed panama lewis in the corner what 1306 00:59:13.380 --> 00:59:17.179 controversy that came after the fight relive it on the 1307 00:59:17.239 --> 00:59:20.380 big fight weekend youtube page go check it out because 1308 00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:23.960 we did talk about that legendary arguello prior one the 1309 00:59:24.000 --> 00:59:25.800 hawk Won that night. 1310 00:59:25.880 --> 00:59:27.480 Talk time. 1311 00:59:27.500 --> 00:59:28.579 Great stuff, Dan Rayfield. 1312 00:59:28.900 --> 00:59:29.460 Have a good weekend. 1313 00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:31.320 We'll talk to you Sunday night into Monday. You too. 1314 00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:31.760 Thank you. 1315 00:59:31.780 --> 00:59:35.420 There goes the Fight Freaks Unite Insider. I'm merely TJ Reeves. 1316 00:59:35.460 --> 00:59:37.019 We appreciate you being with us on the Big Fight 1317 00:59:37.059 --> 00:59:37.619 Weekend Preview.