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Brian Di Bartolomeo: Welcome to Between Here and There where we discuss life pivots. Today, a little bit different. We're gonna hang with Michael
Michael Sanders: Mm-hmm.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: and Brian. And I
Michael Sanders: Well that part's not different.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: it well, it's true, but we're just gonna like hang and get to know each other, right?
Michael Sanders: Yeah, I have no idea who you are, Brian. boy.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Well, you're gonna learn and I get to wear my Saga talk sweatshirt or t shirt. I'm definitely more of a t shirt, sweatpants, shorts type of guy. So thank you, Michael,
Michael Sanders: Yeah.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: for letting me dress down.
Michael Sanders: Yeah, and that's something we talked about earlier, is if you ever have an opportunity to stay home, you will take it. That's that's the kind of guy you are.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: I do like to stay home. I'm more of a home guy. Mm-hmm. Why are you not? I'm assum I don't know. I feel like you are too.
Michael Sanders: Mm-hmm. Yeah. No, I totally am. I I generally don't like leaving the house if I don't have to.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Michael, when we first met, what'd you think?
Michael Sanders: I mean I guess the clearest moment I have or the or the clearest like first recollection I have of you again we met yoga teacher training and
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Yeah.
Michael Sanders: I think this was our first session with the with the whole group. But you know, we do
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Yeah.
Michael Sanders: go around the circle and we'll all kind of introduce ourselves and you know, why are why are here doing yoga teacher training and I made the probably crappy dad joke and that I was having a very productive midlife crisis and I signed up for yoga teacher training instead of getting like a douchey sports car. And then by the
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Right.
Michael Sanders: time it got around to you, you were like, I too am going through a midlife crisis, but in fact I did buy the douchey sports car. So yeah, that that was the f the
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Guilty. Yeah. I know it's funny that
Michael Sanders: first impression.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: same thing with me. First impression. I remember you sharing your story, and I was like, this guy is going through the same thing. And I was also at that point and like had no real friends here at all. And I was like, this guy seems like he might be friend quality worthy. I I definitely need to see if he's I gotta think of how I want to frame that. Gotta see if he's weird or what. I don't know.
Michael Sanders: Yeah, and since then I've been downgraded to something below friend quality, I feel like.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: please, please.
Michael Sanders: I guess I've joked about this in other episodes, Brian, but like one quality that I admire about you is I just think you're a fundamentally good person, and oftentimes you make me feel like I need to be a better human because you're making me look bad.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: I think our our personalities do contribute to us working together. Like if we think
Michael Sanders: Hm.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: of what makes us friends, co hosts, whatever you want to term in the business here or We're trying to bring forward to people is your calmness, maybe my a little bit not calmness. I'm pretty type A. I'm definitely pretty type A. You see that with a lot of things, but your I let me rephrase this. I think our competencies come together quite well, where
Michael Sanders: Mm-hmm.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: you have many things, like a lot of the editing and all of that. It's like I'm not a technology guy. That's not my strength. that many very often when we're joining our things, I'm like, Can you hear me? Is this thing on? Yeah.
Michael Sanders: Yes. I yeah, yeah. Yeah, I I do have to say that I get a lot of texts from you that I could easily confuse as to having come from my father or my mother about just how things
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Yeah.
Michael Sanders: work.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Yeah. Is this thing do I have to turn this thing on for it to work?
Michael Sanders: Right. That that kind of stuff. Yeah. I mean I've also what I what I think makes makes co-hosting work for us on on the show, on the podcast, is I think you're really good at connecting with people, you know, which I th I think kind of complements my perhaps otherwise chill nature. Where I ca I feel like if you weren't co-hosting with me, there would be extremely long, awkward silences in the episodes. But you know
Brian Di Bartolomeo: You could always edit those out. See, that's your that's your competency coming right in there.
Michael Sanders: Yeah. then it would be like a f forty-five minutes of footage with four minutes of dialogue. So it it's good. Well I think, we've got a list of questions here that we're gonna go through. we wanted to help listeners kind of just understand who we are as humans a little bit more. so Brian, tell us where you grew up.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: So I'm a Midwest boy. I grew up in okay,
Michael Sanders: As am I, yeah.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Midwest roots, Cleveland, Ohio, outside of Cleveland in a little suburb called Willowick. So I had
Michael Sanders: Mm-hmm.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: a older sister and mom and dad, and that was my where I grew up. Mm-hmm.
Michael Sanders: Yeah. And I too am a Midwest fella, but grew up in Detroit, and Metro Detroit, the suburbs too. And you said you had a older sister, right?
Brian Di Bartolomeo: old one older sister, I'm the baby of the entire generation. So baby of
Michael Sanders: wow.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: the my family, but the entire generation I'm the little baby boy and I I'm Italian family. So being the little Bambino
Michael Sanders: you must have been spoiled.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: is I wasn't. I wasn't. I wasn't, you know.
Michael Sanders: I don't believe that. No, I I could see that. Yeah, I'm not I'm the opposite. I have a younger sister and I'm also at least the oldest male on both sides of
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my family. So I have I guess all the older sibling, older family
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Yeah.
Michael Sanders: member kind of traits, maybe. I don't know. So well, I mean, what was life
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Mm. Hmm.
Michael Sanders: like for you growing up as a kid in Ohio? You said you had a big Italian family.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Yeah, we were a lot of pasta. Family
Michael Sanders: Eating a lot of pasta. How stereotypical are we gonna be here?
Brian Di Bartolomeo: was pretty important. We were often at my grandparents on Sundays. I was raised Catholic. I did
Michael Sanders: Mm-hmm.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: go to Catholic school my entire life, including high school, including college too. I know. I did. It was a I went to a Jesuit
Michael Sanders: Catholic school that whole time? Wow.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: university in Cleveland. Mm hmm
Michael Sanders: Man, that's wild. I have to just interject that when I was a kid living in Detroit, I went to Catholic school because the public
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Mm.
Michael Sanders: school's not so great. I'm not Catholic though. So it was like really
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Yeah.
Michael Sanders: confusing because I was like one of a few, you know, and I'm like inner kindergarten and we have like these Catholic Jesus coloring books and stuff, and I'm like,
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Religion. Yeah.
Michael Sanders: I don't really un understand what's going on here.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: It was happening. Yeah.
Michael Sanders: yeah. And then when everyone, what was it in second or third grade, had confirmation, right? That's like the big thing at that time. Com yeah, first that yeah, first communion.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: communion. Communion. First communion. Mm-hmm.
Michael Sanders: And everybody was having parties to kind of celebrate that moment in their childhood, and my family was not having a party, and I asked my mom why we couldn't have that party and she's like, honey, we're not Catholic and I told her, Well, can't you just go talk to the man so we can become Catholic? I think he'll let us it didn't work though. She didn't No, no, didn't work that way. So I I never got the party.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: It didn't work that way. No. Well you d I think you deserve a party. You deserve a a and actually a first communion party as a rite of passage, especially
Michael Sanders: The th the thing is at this point in in l life, the last thing I'd want to do is be at a party. Like again, I I just like being home. But I don't
Brian Di Bartolomeo: I know right, here you go. Yeah, you want to be at home. I know.
Michael Sanders: I don't want to be at the party. another question for you, Brian. what do you think you're really good at now? And what do you think you're hilariously
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Mm.
Michael Sanders: bad at?
Brian Di Bartolomeo: what am I terrible at? Directions. I am the
Michael Sanders: Ha ha.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: absolute worst. And here we go. I like I always used to think whatever way I'm facing is north.
Michael Sanders: Yeah.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: That's a lot for you to you're like letting it sink in right now, don't ya? Yeah.
Michael Sanders: Yeah, that's hard for me to wrap my brain around because I've never heard anything frankly so dense in my life.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: I am terrible with directions. literally, do not tell me to go south and then go head west. It's like turn at that
Michael Sanders: Yeah.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: building that's yellow and make a right hand turn
Michael Sanders: Yeah.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: there. That's more my the way I work.
Michael Sanders: Yeah.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Thank goodness that we have technology to guide, cause I'm
Michael Sanders: Yeah, Google Maps, it must be like a lifeline for you.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: It is a lifeline for me. I like to hike, and I've
Michael Sanders: Mm-hmm.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: often gotten lost on paths.
Michael Sanders: Mm.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: I was in Sedona hiking, and it was I was hiking up to the top of the mountain for sunset, and
Michael Sanders: Mm-hmm.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: I came down and I was with people, and then all of a sudden I wasn't, and I was like, Where the hell am I? And it's dark, and I hear wolves, and and all of a sudden I started.
Michael Sanders: No. Man, they they make like I was gonna say they make
Brian Di Bartolomeo: I need like a
Michael Sanders: they make like twenty twenty episodes about things like this. You get lost on a trail and then you're
Brian Di Bartolomeo: That's what I was thinking.
Michael Sanders: yeah.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Literally, Michael. And all of a sudden I started hearing people like way up. And I'm like, okay, I hear people.
Michael Sanders: Mm-hmm.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: So I started running. I was all the way way off the path.
Michael Sanders: How do you get that's not good for someone who's supposed to supposed to be helping people navigate life pivots if you can't figure out if you're on the path or not.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: That is you don't have direction with that. There's no direction. It's nonlinear. I help you find your path. Yes. Yeah. What about you? Tell us about you.
Michael Sanders: It's true. It's true. That's true. That's true. That's funny. what am I bad at? fitted bed sheets. I will never understand how to fold a fitted bed sheet in my life. duvet covers, they did
Brian Di Bartolomeo: gosh.
Michael Sanders: confuse the hell out of me. I've gotten a little bit better at duvet covers.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Yeah.
Michael Sanders: but I definitely have still not cracked the the mystery of folding
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Yeah. my god.
Michael Sanders: a fitted bed sheet. yeah, so that that that not not great.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: I think you got a large camp on that side. Definitely. It's it's difficult. Yeah.
Michael Sanders: Yeah, I guess I'm not the only one. Yeah.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: I have to wash my sheets and then put right back on. This
Michael Sanders: Yeah.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: way I don't have to
fold them.
Michael Sanders: That's probably the smarter way to do it, but I've I've got a
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Mm-hmm.
Michael Sanders: little Airbnb guest apartment, so I have to have multiple sets of sheets and at this point I just like roll up the fitted bed sheet into a little ball and it's like that's just so
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Yeah. I'm gonna I'll send you a video. There's this video, I love it, and you will too. It's of this absolutely adorable grandmother, older grandmother, and she's like, You wanna know my trick for fitted bedsheets? And she has it around her hand and she's like, I take it and she opens up the drawer and she's like, And I roll it up and I throw it in the damn drawer and she sl slams the door. You think she
Michael Sanders: Yeah.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: has this exact way she's gonna do it and make it all perfect? She's no, I roll it up
Michael Sanders: Yeah. Well.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: and I throw it in the damp drawer. She's smart. You shouldn't feel bad. Yeah, yep.
Michael Sanders: Then I I don't feel so bad anymore 'cause that little old Italian grandma can't do it. Then
Brian Di Bartolomeo: So I'll that's a I'm gonna make a note of that. Send him
Michael Sanders: Mm-hmm.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: the bed sheet. What what annoys you instantly?
Michael Sanders: Annoys me. I hate it when people talk during a movie. can't stand it. and actually I think this kind of my mother always said and she ties that back to when I went to Catholic school because they were very, you know, like rule oriented and high
Brian Di Bartolomeo: rigid. Yeah.
Michael Sanders: discipline kind of places. And of course, you know, you're not supposed to talk during the movie. you know, or like or like that thing where like someone like asks you a question about the movie that you're both watching simultaneously together. And I'm just like, I don't have any information that you don't have. You know, it's
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Right. Yeah. How am I supposed to know?
Michael Sanders: like we're working from the same set of info here. I I don't have anything to share with you that has not already been shared.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Mine is what annoys me. I my sister and I have this condition and I always forget the name of it. It's not it's begins with an but it is where noises, certain noises, immediately
Michael Sanders: yeah.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: turn into rage.
Michael Sanders: Mm.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: And very specifically, it's usually eating. And
Michael Sanders: Yeah.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: it's like, It's that little that little little bit of sound.
Michael Sanders: this is the worst kind of the worst kind of ASMR possible.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Yeah. So my sister and I will often text each other like, I'm in the situation. Someone just opened
Michael Sanders: Yeah.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: a bag of chips and they're putting the chip in and that crunching and
Michael Sanders: Yeah.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: I I've been better
Michael Sanders: No, no.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: with it actually, which has been interesting, which I think is a lot of yoga to be honest with you, and breathing and
Michael Sanders: Mm.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: but I my ex husband love him to death and he knows this. It became a thing where I had to have music on with dinner. Cause we would sit and have dinner together at the dining table. And and I was like that all through my life, no matter who
Michael Sanders: Yeah.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: I was with. But it became a thing like, honey, we gotta turn on the music. What do you wanna hear? a little jazz. it needs to be a little bit louder.
Michael Sanders: And it it wasn't because right. So it wasn't because y you really enjoyed what you were playing music wise at the time. It was you had to cover the sound of chewing. No, but that's not why you were doing it. Yeah. Yeah.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: I'm a big music guy. I love music a lot, but it was a cover-up. Yeah.
Michael Sanders: Yeah, I have to tell you, one sound I can't stand is I don't I'm feeling this in the back of my spine right now, is the sound of styrofoam. Like styrofoam coming out of a box. It drives
Brian Di Bartolomeo: we talked about this. I remember you said that. Yeah.
Michael Sanders: me nuts. I can't listen to it.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Mmm Well don't do that then. Don't
Michael Sanders: Yeah, I won't.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: do that. Yeah. Michael, if you had to eat one thing for the rest of your life, what would it be?
Michael Sanders: Pizza. I know that right away. Pizza.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Mm, mine's pasta.
Michael Sanders: Very Italian, Brian.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Pasta, you can and pizza, actually, both of them. Let's talk about this. You could have a myriad of different ways,
Michael Sanders: Mm-hmm.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: right?
Michael Sanders: It's true. It's true. And
Brian Di Bartolomeo: So that's I think that's good variety.
Michael Sanders: yeah. Yeah. I mean pizza, I don't know. I don't I'm I'm skeptical of people that I'm skeptical or suspicious of really two groups of people. Right? The first group
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Mm-hmm.
Michael Sanders: of people is have you ever met someone that doesn't like music? Where they're like, rare
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Rare. Mm-hmm.
Michael Sanders: and those people you don't want to associate with who whoever they are. And the other group of people, have you ever met people that don't like pizza? at all?
Brian Di Bartolomeo: You're making me crave pizza tonight, but that's not happening.
Michael Sanders: Like it. Yeah.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Iggy's Iggy's pizza here in Fenville, the best.
Michael Sanders: yeah. I will say this. I I hate getting my picture taken. I hate doing especially family photos and stuff. And of
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Uh-huh.
Michael Sanders: course, my wife and I, we have a a new son, he's six months old, and it's fall here in Saga Talk. And my wife is from Texas, so she never like the fall colors are blowing her mind
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Mm-hmm.
Michael
Sanders: right now. As she's like chugging pumpkin spice light
Brian Di Bartolomeo: this is her yeah.
Michael Sanders: lattes. So naturally she wants to get. Photos taken, I'm like,
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Yeah.
Michael Sanders: I'm like, okay, I guess I should we have a son now, but I will
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Mm.
Michael Sanders: only do it if we can order pizza that evening. And she relented
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Fair.
Michael Sanders: and so I mean, 'cause she tells me I eat way too much pizza. Yeah.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: so is this an intervention that we need to have at some point of pizza consumption is a little bit too much?
Michael Sanders: if that was a intervention you would be the worst person to lead that intervention 'cause I have seen your Instagram feed and it's one out of two pictures is a picture of you taking a picture of a pizza, right?
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Well if if I lead an intervention for you about pizza, we'll have pizza after. Fair? Okay. Okay, that's what I thought.
Michael Sanders: Your deal, you got it. Fair enough. Mm-hmm. Agreed. Do it.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: All right, Michael, I'm gonna take you through a lightning round. I'm gonna ask a series of questions between this or that.
Michael Sanders: All right, let's do it. Ready.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Ready? Sweet or savory.
Michael Sanders: Savory.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Early riser or night owl.
Michael Sanders: at this point in life early riser. It was different when I was eighteen. Yeah.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Didn't think that. Coffee or cocktail.
Michael Sanders: at this point coffee used to be cocktail.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Lake or pool.
Michael Sanders: man, I feel guilty for saying this because I live walking distance to Lake Michigan, but I prefer
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Mm.
Michael Sanders: pool just 'cause it's warm.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Okay. Beach or boat.
Michael Sanders: Mm don't have a strong preference, I'll just say boat.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Okay. Cook at home or go out. I think we know this one.
Michael Sanders: Well this is where I'm just a hypocrite. I'm not a good I'm not a good like dinner cook. So I
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Yeah.
Michael Sanders: probably would prefer to stay home, but in reality it'll it'll be my, you know, lovely patient wife cooking.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Mm.
Michael Sanders: and if she didn't want to, then we'd be going out.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Okay. Okay. And then staying in or going out, I'm assuming that's staying in.
Michael Sanders: Staying in for sure. Yeah.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Are you a planner or spontaneous?
Michael Sanders: Honestly I feel I'm like right down the middle. I know that's kinda cheating the game here, but there are some things where I'm like, Hey, let's just go blah and what yeah.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: We can allow it. Yeah. Okay. That's fair. Text or calling.
Michael Sanders: Text for sure.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Sunrise or sunset.
Michael Sanders: even though I'm an early riser, I prefer the sunsets, I think.
Brian
Di Bartolomeo: Mm-hmm. Dogs or cats.
Michael Sanders: Dogs can't s I've had very negative experiences with cats.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Window seater aisle. Mm.
Michael Sanders: aisle. I don't like feeling trapped and I can look out the window to either side of me. I
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Yeah.
Michael Sanders: don't need to be right there.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Fancy dinner dive bar.
Michael Sanders: Well, when I enjoy drinking more I would say dive bar.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Hmm. Okay. And a vacation doing nothing or activities?
Michael Sanders: I hate activities. I don't want anything planned on vacation. Nothing
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Mm.
Michael Sanders: planned.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Shoes are barefoot.
Michael Sanders: Barefoot.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Okay. Nice.
Michael Sanders: There we go. All right, so now it's my my turn to flip the script. It's a
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Mm.
Michael Sanders: speed round. We'll see how quick we can get through this. Starting from the top, Brian. Sweet or savory.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Already I'm like, I don't know. I know.
Michael Sanders: Yeah, too long. You just have to say it.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Okay. Probably sweet.
Michael Sanders: wow. Okay. early riser or night owl. Yeah.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: I know, I'm shocked by that. I'm more of an early riser now. Mm-hmm.
Michael Sanders: Yeah, we're both like that. Beach or boat.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: speech a hundred percent. I'm not a boat guy at all.
Michael Sanders: Yeah. Yeah. I again I could have gone either way there. I'm sorry, I keep bringing it back to me. That that's another thing
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Yeah. Well this is about me, not you, Michael. I'm totally kidding. I'm joking.
Michael Sanders: that apparently I'm horribly bad at is listening to other people's feelings. Actually that's true. I've been told that before. Or I can listen but not not well enough.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Okay. Mm. Well, we can work on that.
Michael Sanders: yeah, we will between here and there. cook at home or go out?
Brian Di Bartolomeo: cook at home.
Michael Sanders: Yeah, I feel ya. Planner
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Yeah.
Michael Sanders: or spontaneous?
Brian Di Bartolomeo: I am a planner, to the nth degree. I know that's not a surprise at all. Yeah. Yeah. I do if it's spontaneous,
Michael Sanders: That's what I thought, Brian. That is not surprising, mister Psychology Finance Man wants things planned out. Mm-hmm.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: then I'm gonna ask a million questions until I feel comfortable.
Michael Sanders: god, I hope it's not a spontaneous trip to the movie theater, 'cause that would drive me nuts.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: There would be a lot of questions, trust me, especially people
Michael Sanders: Ha ha ha.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: eating popcorn quiet or during a mood. That was my big
Michael Sanders: my god, I just had this
Brian Di Bartolomeo: thing.
Michael Sanders: my nightmare scenario now is being at a movie theater with someone asking me a lot of questions and they pull out a big container of popcorn out of a styrofoam box.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Cyberphone.
Michael Sanders: I'd have to kill somebody. text yeah, text
Brian Di Bartolomeo: That would be too much. Yeah.
Michael Sanders: or call.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Text.
Michael Sanders: I agree. Yeah, that's why I
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Mm-hmm.
Michael Sanders: like you, Brian. You don't call me much, which is perfect.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: I know. Although I do like chit chatting with you on the phone. I'm like, I I would call Michael in chat. Yeah. Yeah.
Michael Sanders: Yeah, we do. Yeah, yeah. I've actually that's interesting. I probably talk to you more on the phone than anyone else in my life because we always have between here and there stuff to talk about. Yeah.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Catch ups, yeah.
Michael Sanders: vacation packed with activities or nothing planned. I think we know where this is headed. really? The bit
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Nothing at all. Yeah, absolutely nothing. No
Michael Sanders: the big planner wants nothing planned.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Nothing planned,
Michael Sanders: And final,
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Mm-hmm.
Michael Sanders: shoes or barefoot. I know you have an affinity for beaches.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: I do and sh really it would be barefoot if I could live in a tank top and or shirtless
Michael Sanders: Yeah.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: to be honest with you in shorts barefoot on a sandy beach island like Hawaii. That's my place. Mm-hmm.
Michael Sanders: Mm. Yeah, that sounds great. That sounds great. Never been to Hawaii, but I'd like to someday.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: You you must do it. You must do it.
Michael Sanders: Mm-hmm.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Okay. Well, we learned a little bit there for sure. A lot of overlap, some differences. Yeah.
Michael Sanders: Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Well, good. Well let's close it up, Michael. So one thing you hope people get to know about you through this show that they may not see right away, through between here and there. So as they get more and more exposed to you, what's
Michael Sanders: man.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: one thing that they might not see right away?
Michael Sanders: Mm. I mean, honestly, I don't I've I think a lot of people have trouble seeing anything in me. I've I've been told over and over I'm just like very difficult to read,
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Mm.
Michael Sanders: in general. so I think you know it's something that people I think will discover over time is I'm I tend to be like pretty contemplative about things. So so while I may appear aloof, I do have
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Mm-hmm.
Michael Sanders: things going on in internally
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Mm.
Michael Sanders: that I that I actually do enjoy talking about with other people, I guess in the right setting. Not a fan of small talk
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Hm.
Michael Sanders: and chit chat.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Yeah.
Michael Sanders: terrible at it and also completely uninterested in it. But the kind of things that we talk about between here and there, I think are fascinating and I can spend a good hour or more talking about as you've seen. Yeah. What about you, Brian? What do
Brian Di Bartolomeo: Mm-hmm. Yeah. I love that.
Michael Sanders: you hope what do you hope folks
Brian Di Bartolomeo: I hope people see and take away and I I shared this in my life pivot story, is my authenticity. Like
Michael Sanders: Mm-hmm.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: I do deeply care and I'm deeply invested in the conversations. It's not an act, you know, that I
Michael Sanders: Mm-hmm.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: am who I am. so I'm hoping that people see the authenticity of me. through the conversations that we're carrying on.
Michael Sanders: Yeah, I definitely know that is one of your core values, if not the the paramount core value that you hold is being authentic and that's certainly part of the brand that we're building, the community we're building, the between here and there that we're building.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: I agree. All right, Michael. Anything else?
Michael Sanders: man, we've I feel like we've covered the gauntlet. I can't think of anything else.
Brian Di Bartolomeo: I think we have too. I think we have too.
Michael Sanders: And I've learned so many things about you, even though I felt like I knew you pretty well. It's so weird. Yeah, yeah. Thanks, Brian, and thanks everyone for listening.