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Jim Harmer: Welcome back to the Backfire Guns Podcast every day. We want to help you guys shoot better today. 'Cause that's what everyone wants. Everyone wants to shoot better. Right. Right. I mean nobody wants to shoot worse. That's right. And nobody wants to stay the same. I mean that sucks. Yeah, but most of us do. Yeah, well if you're good enough. If you shoot as good as Jim. No. I mean, most of us don't really improve much over time. It's just so easy to go to the range and and like just keep doing the same things over and I feel like it's the same thing when I go bowling. Like I'm I'm not a good bowler. And so I go periodically and I'm like, you know, I don't I haven't figured out the whole curve it around the lane thing to get to the pins where you gotta like, you know, you're gonna have a higher percentage of them actually all going down. Yeah. And so for me it's just like I'm I'm trying to hit it down the middle as much as I can. But eventually you get to the point that like I can actually hit that front pin every time if I just roll it straight, but I don't maybe do it with enough power or whatever, don't have that angle and stuff. And so even if you hit that front pin, they don't all go down. And so there's just a limit to like how good you ⁓ like there you just can't really get better if you're just gonna keep doing that same thing over and over, right? And I think it's the same thing when when guys go shooting, it's like, ⁓ I've been shooting all my life. But I bet you if you're just doing the same thing, you know, you're you're just like bowling ball down the middle of the lane. And there's like a lot of little things that like you wouldn't expect to make a big difference, but they really do. Like one of these little things can drastically improve your accuracy as a shooter. Yeah, absolutely. There are some guns that we have set up that i y you'd have to like kind of try to shoot a bad group with. Yeah. If you take a twenty pound light recoiling rifle like a dasher, ⁓ anybody, their first time shooting a gun is probably gonna shoot half minute. Pretty good. Yeah. It's just that gun sits absolutely dead. on the bags and so if I, you know, spend five minutes with you showing you how to just squeeze the trigger and you know how to hold your breath and stuff, i it's so simple because that is such a light setup or such a heavy setup and light recoiling setup. A hunting rifle is way harder to shoot. I mean it's not even close to ⁓ I mean i it's it's just its own category of shooting a hunting ri a lightweight hunting rifle actually I think they've gotten almost harder to shoot just because they're getting so much lighter. Yeah. You know, maybe they're more comfortable to shoot or something, but it they I mean, f physically, you know, capability wise, it I think they've gotten harder. Just because they're they're lighter and that's the biggest thing that's gonna really make it, you know, ⁓ determine the difficulty level is how heavy is the
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gun. Mm-hmm. ⁓ because it's hard to keep the gun still. when it's so when it's so light. And if you can't keep the gun still, you're gonna have matter if everything else is accurate. Yeah, you're gonna have a tough day. So w today we made a list of ten things you can do today, like simple little things you can do on your rifle to that will just permanently make this a better rifle. these are kind of the things that that we see missing on guys that are lifelong shooters, lifelong hunters, and then we look at their setup and we're like, ooh yeah really doesn't matter how often you go shoot, it you're gonna kinda get keep getting the same thing if you don't do this. And these are easy things too. Just so you guys know, these are not we're not doing like you gotta go buy two hundred and fifty dollar piece of gear to fix this. It's like this is something easy you can tweak right now. Yep. So first one, go shoot four five shot groups and take a good ten minute break in between each group. Mm-hmm. Now, one that'll tell you a lot about your accuracy, but specifically the reason we we wanna shoot four different groups here is I would love to see how your point of impact shifts on the page. By taking a good ten minute ⁓ break, you know, coming off the rifle, walking around for a f minute, and then you sit back down and shoot, I think what a lot of people are gonna find is the first group's high left, the second one's low right, you know, and they're just randomly Each group, even if it's a great group, they're shifting on the page. Yeah. And so when I p see people complaining about a a wandering zero on on a scope, well, that certainly could be the case. But I bet a lot more likely is you're seeing point of impact shift because you're addressing the rifle different each time. Yeah. So if you ha if you do have that, if you look at it and you're like, ⁓ shoot, my groups are not going in the same spot, the first thing I would look to is your stock. I I a good stock makes this a lot easier to do. Well can I say one thing you should probably do first? Sure. Make sure between each of those groups, like really focus on placing yourself in the exact same spot every time. Like make sure your hand position, you're no, you're pulling the trigger exactly the same. Your face is, you know, you're not tilting your head on one and having it straight on another. Because that can that can change it. And so before you do anything drastic, make sure that like you are doing this test where like every time you get back on the gun after that ten minute break, you are as close it's gonna be hard to be, you know, in the exact same position, but just be as close as you possibly can to having your thumb placement in the right in the same spot and all that kind of stuff. Yes, and all those things will definitely help. This this is the test to show that you can get in a repeatable position. And so a couple of those things you mentioned. on almost all stocks, there are st still some that I it's probably better to beer can. But instead of wrapping that thumb around, put that thumb on the you know, if you're right handed, just stick that thumb on the right side. ⁓ Like on a you know, modern chassis, even if it's just a stock, bring that thumb over and then your your trigger finger can just pull more straight back. You're not coming across the trigger. It seems subtle But now if you watch the crosshairs really closely as you're squeezing the trigger, they won't be moving, shifting to the left as you're pulling that trigger. So there's one moving that that ⁓ thumb position. Then you also mentioned the the cheek. A can just the right amount of cheek pressure is very, very important. You'll probably find that it's better to actually have the cheekpiece kind of down low on your jaw. And s and then your head won't be flopped over as much and you aren't pushing down on the back of of the stock nearly as much, which can cause just major inconsistencies. I've always been surpr been surprised, you know, since I've gotten more into guns than bows, 'cause I used to be really into bows. I still am, but I'm more into the guns now. But it it's so funny to me how like i in the bow and arrow community, like it is drilled into your head, like your anchor point. Same. Yeah. I've thought about that. Why don't we have a kisser button on a rifle? Yeah. Why is that not a thing? Keep that head in exactly the same spot. Uh-huh. Like the positioning of, you know, where where you're holding holding at, you know, the ⁓ the ⁓ peak point of your drawback, like that is drilled into your head as a as a as a bow shooter. Like where where is your thumb? Wh where are you holding on your face? Make sure you're doing it in the exact same spot every time. Mm-hmm. And ⁓ you know, make sure your your follow through is the exact same through every time after the shot. It's always funny to me that like that's not really talked about in the gun community is like where is your your head placement and your thumb placement. You know, in PRS, you know, obviously that is a big thing, but like with hunters, not as much. But in the hunting bow community it totally is. Yeah. So it's not just a competition thing. ⁓ whereas the hunting on both sides is really different how they approach the the shooting styles, I guess. Yeah. But yeah, it that's always amazed me. Yeah, it but it will make a difference, especially the how much pressure you're putting. Most people have too much cheek pressure on the on the back of the rifle. Okay. ⁓ and the other thing that's gonna do in in all in addition to the point of impact shift is you're gonna be looking into the sky. During recoil. You're pushing too much down as the rifle is slipping back, and you that's gonna push the back of the rifle down, front of the rifle up, you're gonna be looking in this guy. Yep. All right. And so that brings us to the next one. So first we talked about shoot four five shot groups, see where the point of impact
changes. The next one is just go shoot whatever, five shots, and you know, aim at your target, make a perfect shot. And then as soon as that you that shot breaks, just absolutely freeze. Look through the scope and mark specifically where you are. Use your reticle to measure. Are you, you know, left two left two mils and down four mils or whatever you are. Use that reticle to measure how far off from the target the recoil pushed you. And note and so r just write it down each time. And then go back to that that rifle and say, now what am I doing? That's because if you're shooting in a in a consistent position, you're gonna be in the same spot every time. Mm-hmm. And so that's good. We at least have repeatability so we can figure it out. But you can change the way you shoot so that it tracks straight to some extent. Yeah. With some really lightweight, very slim sporter kind of stocks. Good luck. Yeah. This is gonna be hard. There are also some ⁓ what most people would consider a modern stock that you'll be way off. And an example for that for me is the Sacco 90 quest. Mm-hmm. It's a beautiful stock. ⁓ man, it looks good. It feels ergonomic and stuff. You're gonna be I don't know how to shoot that stock without being like ten mils left to target after you pull the pull the trigger. Yeah. Because it has so much wrist engagement in that in that stock. that it just pushes your way over. I don't know if there's a single gun that we have that does that puts you off track after the shot more than that gun. Yeah, ⁓ yeah. As much as we love that gun, I that is one thing that knocks it is just how far off target you are after you pull the trigger. But it's beautiful. It looks nice. Yeah. And it's very comfortable to shoot. There's a lot of good things about that stock, but you are gonna be significantly off. Yeah. ⁓ from that. And you know that any kind of thumb hole stock you you You're gonna have s similar kind of problems. Yeah. Same with the sa it's the same with the Sokka S twenty. Yeah, true. It's the same thing. It you don't go as high because your thumb is kind of under that bridge point of the thumb hole design. Yeah. ⁓ but you're pretty far off to the left. And I I've gotten to the point where I don't I don't even I don't even go through the thumb hole anymore. I just have my thumb on the side. Uhhuh. Just bec it's a it's a little less comfortable. It's not uncomfortable, but yeah, I've I've it's just a little too extreme. I remember when I first started reviewing rifles, I shot a few thumb holes stocks and I was like, Man, why aren't they all like this? ⁓ It's like it it's so a lot. Yeah, feels feels good, like, ⁓ baby, I'm home. Feels right. But as I've learned more and more and improved, I was like, ⁓ no, no, no, this is not the way to go. Uh-huh. There's a functionality flaw. Yeah, sure. Yeah. All right. Number three. Properly torque every important screw and add vibratite. No, it's crazy. We mention this one all the time. But it's so it's weird
how we have so many people that come to challenges or we go to events or something and their action screws are loose or their scope screws are loose. Like, how many times has that happened? And we talk about it all the time. Mm-hmm. And it's crazy that it's still something that people just don't it's it's just not something they think about first or second or third, you know? Yep. And it's that is pretty important. Yeah. So just make sure those are tightened down. ⁓ yeah, because if there's any movement at all, it could be just, you know, an eighth of a turn on your action screws or your even your scope screws and it's done. Like it's gonna be all over the place. Yep. Yeah. And it happens and the even when you have viber tight, I would still say, you know, check it consistently because we have had guns not necessarily with vibratite, but that, you know. We had checked several times before that the action screws were tight and then a couple of weeks later they'd come loose. Mm-hmm. And so i i yeah, it's just something you should check consistently, but viber tight, that's that's the big be the big piece. Yeah, especially if you're going on a hunt where the temperature is quite a bit different. ⁓ that's you really want to check those action screws because it you know, different metals, you know, you have lots of different metals in your rifle and they're all expanding and contracting and you know, in different ways because of it. And and you're rattling around traveling and if the it doesn't take much, that action screws loose and you're doesn't matter if you did everything else right. Yep. And this a thousand percent includes suppressors too. Especially with the viber tie. ⁓ my goodness. Suppressors coming loose constantly. Especially with those magnums. Like sometimes it's like every fifteen shots it's loose. Like it's wild. Yep. They really rattle loose. Yeah, and that'll really affect your accuracy. Yeah. All right. Number four is add a bubble level to your scope. It's pretty rare that we see somebody come with a hunting rifle that has a bubble level on it. Yeah. Now there's there's good reason for that because i bubble levels don't make any difference until you get out to significant range. But once you're out to significant range, it starts to matter a lot. If you're shooting a thousand yards and for sure a mile, If if you're off by even a couple degrees, you're pushing yourself feet off target. Mm-hmm. And so if you feel like you're just always chasing your tail when you go out to those longer targets, I'll bet that's it. Yeah. And your eyes play tricks on you, especially if you, you know, don't have the the correct cheek weld, or really a jaw weld more than than a cheek, ⁓ on the rifle, and your head is flopped over. When you make that reticle look to what you're certain is straight up and down, i if that or I should say it this way, if your head is flopped over and that reticle looks straight up and down, you really pay attention, the top
of your reticle is pushed way right. It should look like it's not quite a 45 degree, but a lot that the t the top of the reticle is pushed to the left if you have, you know, an older style stock. If you if you have a really good stock fitment, then it it can look pretty close to up and down. The top should be pushed over a little bit to the left probably still, if you're a right handed shooter. ⁓ so as soon as you and so the reason that I I think it's so important to put on a bubble level, even if this is ⁓ you know, a hunting rifle is excuse me, if you s if you have a bubble level on every rifle. you're gonna train yourself what straight actually looks like in the reticle. And then you'll be able to do it on a hunting rifle where it doesn't matter as much unless you're really reaching out, just naturally. And so you won't y you know, it it's not gonna matter if you're one degree off at four hundred yards, you're good. Yeah. You're fine. But at a thousand yards, a degree off is is a miss. Yeah, we tested it at six hundred yards with Zach from Mountains Mullets America last sometime like last spring or something. ⁓ we tested on that big twelve inch plate we have at six hundred and we didn't cant it that much. We you know, we shot one shot level and then we took one canted shot and we did it with one of our precision rifles so we know, you know, the sh the shot is gonna be accurate. Yeah. And it was something like four to six inches off that shot. Yeah. And when you t factor in, you know, wind and, you know, maybe your gun is just barely a one MOA gun and all that kind of stuff, well, you could miss the animal if you're off cant. Mm-hmm. And so that is a big deal. Yes. Yeah. I I I think the only time we've ever seen people bring, you know, bubble levels on their scopes are people who have shot competitions before. Mm-hmm. It's not something that ⁓ hunters think about a lot, I don't think. Yeah. And it's a cheap fix. Like you can get, you know, we you can go on Timu and get one for, you know, three bucks. Yeah. You know, just one of those cheap rings and you don't you don't need a a great one. You just need to make sure it's level. That's it. And so that's ch that's a cheap, easy fix right there. Now a a couple things on those bubble levels. So at one point we were looking at making bubble levels as a product. ⁓ maybe we still should, but I I I would like to make a much more premium bubble level because the the cheap ones work and get a cheap one and put it on and and great. But I did some testing. I bought like ten different bubble levels and put ⁓ on scopes. This was several years ago. And I just got like a tiny little mallet and just tap tap tap on the bubble level they move so easily so easily and whenever are you going to check to see if your anti-cant device got knocked off at some point no once that thing's on you're gonna keep it there for 10 years right and so i i I mean it was barely a nudge on on a lot of anti-cant devices was was getting
it off and so I thought dang you know, that's like worse than not having a bubble level. Yeah. It's having one that gets knocked off really easily and then you trust it for a long, long time and not yourself. So here's what I found. The band style, where it's like a a thin, it's like, you know, thin bendy sheet metal kind of thing ⁓ that that goes around. ⁓ Vortex has one. A lot of brands have them. Stay away from those things. Stay away. They moved way too easily. ⁓ you know, it it's friction that that's keeping this thing from rotating, right? And so and the clamping force, which creates the friction. ⁓ so you you can't get a ton of clamping force, you know, probably just to eighteen inch bounds for most scopes. And so that that little bit of friction, you know, they're making those little anti-cant devices super thin because they've got to fit on the scope in the right spots and stuff. And mmm, not a fan. And then I tried some of the other styles. ⁓ can't remember what brand has one where the top ring in your scope rings, the top ring has a bubble level built into that. Can work, but you gotta install that thing perfectly. It took me about twenty five minutes of like because as you tighten the screws on one side, it brings it down. Tighten on the other. That one. ⁓ and so to actually get a true on, that's a time consuming deal. Yeah. ⁓ there are some chassis that it's built into the chassis. We actually wanted to do that on backlight, but we found a patent that somebody has for it. ⁓ and so anyway, ⁓ that that's a that can be a decent spot to put it, but there's there's a lot of tolerances between your chassis and then the action going in it and then the scope on top of that. And so we we're we're stacking some tolerances there as well. The very best ones, in my opinion, are the electronic ones. Because then attach it to Picatinny. Yeah. Because it's you know, it's it's an electronic, it's figuring out what what level is. You don't have to you know you don't have to precision mount the thing. ⁓ But what if you're okay, let me kick you a scenario. What if you're out in Alaska in Mid late fall. It's freezing cold. It's snowing. And the batteries die because of the cold. Yeah. And now you don't have a level. I agree. And they're cumbersome. And so on a hunting rifle, weather they run out of battery. Not the best. For precision rifle, I think it's the way to go. Yeah. But for a hunting rifle, not so sure. Probably not. Yeah. but so if you are getting one for a hunting rifle, the best advice I can give you is get the fattest band you can find. So we have as much friction on there. But that's the opposite of what most guys want for a hunting rifle. So I don't know. There's that. But definitely get ⁓ on there, especially for training. So you can learn what straight looks like. Again, this is like a thirty dollar fix. Yeah. It's not expensive. And even like an expensive level is not that expensive. Like a nice level is not that it's not that much. Yeah. But you can get cheap ones. And so yeah. ⁓ I I ha had a a friend that I took out to my ⁓ gun range earlier this week and he hasn't done a lot of long range shooting and the first thing he said when he looked through the scope after I mounted it ⁓ and it had a a bubble level on it is he said, ⁓ this the crosshairs are crooked and I smiled 'cause it was like, Nope. Nope. It's it's just how you're looking through it. Yeah. You're getting the bubble level straight and then you see it, it should look crooked. Yeah. Unless you have a very yeah. Unless your face is straight up and down while you're looking through the scope. Right. ⁓ another kind of setup one is making sure your eye relief is perfect when you set up the scope. That's a big one because like for me at least when it comes to the eye relief, it's mostly a like strain on your eyes when you don't set it perfectly. And it can cause you to look through the scope differently if it's not. Because, you know, if it's too far away, you're gonna have That black ring around your your scope and it's just annoying. And you you can't see everything. And so and if it's too close, you'll scope yourself or whatever. And you know, or maybe if it's too close, you know, I've set scope I've set scopes up too close before and you kinda have to like you keep your hand in the same position, but you kinda have to like scoot your head back. Yeah, and then everybody sees your double chin and it's so embarrassing. Exactly. Exactly. ⁓ Because I have such a double chick. Yeah, right. The smallest guy in the office. but it it can cause just like ⁓ like an uncomfort and it can cause you to like just not get on the rifle the same every time. And that that's gonna cause accuracy. At least for me, that's how the eye relief works for me. ⁓ but yes, ⁓ a couple things that can help setting it up is zoom the scope in. when you're setting the your your eye relief because often you'll it'll you'll set your eye relief, it's great. And then as soon as you zoom in to max power, you're like, ⁓ crap, now it's yeah. I feel like I have to lean way forward. Yeah. To get in on that one. Another one is ⁓ the you know, between people, it's not so much that your, you know, eye is different, but it's how you address the rifle is different. So you do kind of need it set for you. One is one difference that one thing that people do when they're shooting that will really adja adjust this is so say I'm going into a prone or a bench position. I if I'm right handed, I kinda roll my right shoulder forward just slightly. And the reason I I'm kinda rolling it forward is that it's putting my shoulder then much higher on the recoil pad. The negative of doing this is now we do have some muscles activated there. And so there, you know, potentially is a tiny bit more wobble, but for me, I I just I like doing that. ⁓ so that I I I just feel like it's a better address of the rifle doing that. And because I roll that shoulder forward a little bit, I'm
gonna want my scope generally pushed forward a little bit more. Also everybody just has a different, you know, comfort for how much they wanna crane out their neck and how far back it is. So those things will definitely make a di a difference. If it's a rifle that you want to set up for multiple people to use, like in in the family, you know, you're gonna use this rifle and, you know, your wife will shoot it sometimes too. You it it it's not like it has to only be set for one person. Often you can kind of find a spot that'll there's enough eye relief between the two that you can kind of set a middle position and you both have full view of the scope. There are some people who actually like having a little bit of the shadowing on the edge of the image. The th so that scope that shadowing if you're if you're too far back from the scope and there starts to be that black kind of hazy ring around the outside. Some people actually design that into where they put the scope because it's almost like a peep side in archery now. Mm-hmm. That it makes sure that your head is in the same spot each time that that image but you're using that black spot as kind of a peep side, if that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. I I don't know. I don't know. I don't love it. I've heard I've heard people say that and people have come and say they like it set up like that, but I don't know. I'm just not a fan. It it makes it I don't know. It's just uncomfortable to shoot like that. It feels like a strain on your eyes when you're too far away, even if you only have a little bit of that black. It it's almost like I'm not seeing everything. You know, and it feels like you're straining your eyes. And that yeah, for me that's just not ideal. Yeah, it's like when you watch a movie and it's letterboxed with the black bars at the top at the bottom, so it's super cinematic. And I'm like, no. Nah man, just show me the full. I want my whole screen to be used. Exactly. Yeah. Yep. Well, the next one, this is one we talked about when we were on the hunt. Because wow, this would've sucked if we did not have this on the hunt. But getting a tripod. ⁓ my goodness. If we did not have that, I don't know if it would have been possible, to be honest. I mean it we would have found a way. Let shoot off someone's back. Shoot off a back. Wouldn't have been nearly as stable. ⁓ no, not at all. And ⁓ yeah, that would have been that would've been tough. But that's a big one. ⁓ for accuracy for standing. Yeah, that's important. Even if you don't ha necessarily have like for example, I brought the Socco S twenty and that doesn't have ⁓ an arca rail on it. So technically my gun can't clamp onto it. But even if we had just thrown like a you know, one of the hoodies or coats, puffy coats on there, ⁓ which I did when we were testing zero, it's not the most stable thing in the world, especially 'cause you're on that spongy ground and the tr the tripods a little wobbly just from that. But that's better than shooting off a backpack in that scenario, for sure. Yep. And so I yeah, that's a that's a big one for me. ⁓ Yeah, absolutely. A a tripod, so I I should clarify this because I've had quite a few people that I'll say, Hey, do you have a a tripod that you hunt with? That'd be really be helpful. And I hear often, ⁓ yeah, I got one of those ⁓ like those Primos trigger sticks. Mm-hmm. ⁓ Technically a tripod. I mean, it has three legs. But like completely different device. Yeah. I'm talking about like a photography tripod with a head that clamps onto the rifle. So Primos makes some trigger sticks and there are lot of others that yes, it's a tripod, but then it's like a a panning swivel head on top that's just like a U that your rifle sits in a saddle there. You're not gonna be nearly, nearly, nearly as stable as a tripod head that clamps onto your rifle. Yeah. But I would I would still say man among hunters. I don't even know if it's one in fifty hunters that will hit the woods this fall that's gonna bring a tripod with them. Yeah. I don't when we were in Alaska, we saw a lot of people going in and out of that camp, that arrowhead camp. I don't remember seeing anybody with a tripod. Yeah. ⁓ it's another large device you gotta bring with you now. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's important. Yeah. If you wanna not miss the shot hunting, man, that might be one of the very first things that I point to is get yourself a tripod. Especially because a lot of people, you know, we've had a lot of hunts where it's like, yeah, most people say, ⁓ you're not gonna be able to get prone and we've found ways to get prone in a lot of s situations. But most people say like, ⁓ yeah, you know, eighty, ninety percent of my my hunting shots aren't prone. And if you're not shooting prone, tripod is the next best thing. Yeah. Especially w like if you wanna hit that shot. You're gonna be twice as stable as a backpack. Yeah. Especially and you know, the ideal ideal is you sit on your butt or kneel depending on your comfort level, ⁓ in both of those. But then you you use a tripod but way down low and you use your backpack under your in your right armpit if you're right handed. ⁓ yeah, now it's that's gonna be stable. Yeah. Yeah. That's a that's a good setup right there. Yeah, and I would say f if for a tripod, get one that only has one extension instead of two. Because it's just so much quicker. Uh-huh. And you don't always need to be full, you know, standing. You know, if you need a hunchover or kneeling, you're gonna be more stable than if you're standing. Yes. And so if you only have w one extension, usually you're not gonna have four foot tall grass. And so kneeling is gonna be just fine. So that one extension is gonna get you exactly what you need, ⁓ height wise. to be able to make a shot. But yeah, that that second extension, like, that can double or triple your time to get that tripod ready. Mm-hmm. And it's gonna be heavier. So yeah, I would say only specific thing for me for a
tripod is a a one leg extension tripod. Yeah, and if you do have the more common two or three leg extensions, you can totally solve for this. Just walk around with one extension already extended. Mm-hmm. And then went to adjust for the leveling of that particular ground, you s you just do one set of leg locks around and extend that one to where you need to be. Yeah. That that can work just fine. Yeah. yeah. Anyway, tripod. It you know, they're expensive. Though if you're looking for a little bit less expensive, look at Sunway photo. They did send us a a couple tripods recently, actually that we took on the Alaska Hunt. I really wish I had the model number here 'cause I was really a fan of that one. Yeah. w it's a crazy model number. It's just like a bunch of letters and numbers. Sorry, I huh, well maybe you have that. I'll I'll put it in the I'll put it in the description of the podcast. So if you want to know you can find it there. Yeah. It it for me it was just a really nice ⁓ happy medium. Mm-hmm. It's it's inexpensive. Like you're not gonna find a lot of tripods cheaper than that. And it was just a perfect happy medium of stable enough, but also I'm actually gonna bring this with me hiking in the backcountry. Yeah. and super lightweight. Very lightweight. And it just doesn't go to like full standing. So if you're like a an intense hog hunter, wrong tripod. Yeah. You'll want one that gets to full standing height. But for you know, most just, you know, rugged kind of hunts, man, that thing was sweet. Yeah, it was pretty nice. Yeah, I liked it. Yep. All right. Next is set the cheekpiece height. I'm gonna go over this one really quick. ⁓ but You want to be able to address the rifle. Well, okay, let's put it this one as as are our 10 tips, right? ⁓ instead of just set the cheekpiece right, let's put it this way. Put your head down on the rifle, open up the eyes. Make sure you're seeing a full view of the scope in your in that comfortable position. Do it five times. Every time you should just open up and boom, your image is clear. If you have to move around whatever, you're not going to do that move around the same every time. Mm-hmm. And so getting this correct that you can do it repeatably is really the key. And dang, I keep thinking about a kisser button on a rifle. Yeah? Yeah, could we put like a little kisser button into the cheek piece of our chassis? Just so you know every time you get on the rifle your face is in the exact same spot. That's not a bad idea. I I I'm a fan. Would it kind of jab at your gums during a recoil? Maybe I guess it would kind of depend like archery it goes forward. This would come back at you. Yeah. It's possible. I'm sure we could find a way though. If somebody finds a patent for a rifle kisser button, it means we figured this out. Yeah. Yeah. okay. Next one, fix the trigger setup. Yeah. This is Yeah. One that I would say here is just make it similar to what your other rifles are. Mm-hmm. To me, that's way more important than having it dialed into the perfect setting. Yeah. And we have a couple of rifles like this right now that are significantly lighter trigger pulls, still very, very safe, but significantly lighter than what the other hunting rifles are. Mostly because they're like custom rifles and we so we set that trigger, you know, to To perfect for shooting and and hunting safety. But if you're used to shooting stock factory hunting rifles, they're gonna be in the three and a quarter kind of pound range for a lot of factory hunting rifles. They're they're they're lawyer triggers, they're set a little bit heavy. Yeah. And so if you're doing that all day, every day, constantly, shooting normal rifles, and then you have your caribou in your sights and you get on your fine. trigger that's setting at one and a quarter or one and a half pounds. Kabalooy. As soon as you rest that your finger on that trigger as you're still kind of getting in it getting on target. Kabam, it's gonna go off too soon. Yep. And so yeah, again, way more important than getting it I dialed in is making sure your brain is gonna know w when the trigger's gonna go off. Yeah, you know exactly when you you you can feel with your finger like, all right this is gonna break at this moment and you know. ⁓ yeah, because if it breaks too early or too late, it's done. Like you're the odds are you're way off the target. Yeah. ⁓ because most people aren't pulling the trigger. You know, if you're in a hunting scenario and your heart's beating, like you're waiting until that perfect moment. You know, some people are like trying to time their wobble zone before it hits because maybe it's a six hundred yard shot and your wobble zone's a little crazy or whatever. You know, they're trying to time that wobble And if it goes off too late, you're gonna be way off low and right or whatever. And ⁓ yeah, so it you just gotta know when your trigger's gonna wanna gonna go off. Yeah, and you I mean you can g get a trigger pull gauge is only like thirty bucks or something on Amazon, but I don't think that's probably the smart play there is to make ⁓ all the exact same poundage. I think the more important play is to make them all feel the same. Yeah, because you could have two guns, one with a one stage and one with a two stage. And if they're both two pounds, they're not gonna feel the same. Right. Or one could just not be as crisp as the other. So a two pound versus a three pound, maybe the three pound feels better because the the trigger's a little more crisp. Like for example, the Browning X bolt that we have. Super crisp trigger, but it's a little heavy. ⁓ and then you go to the Savage 110 Trail Hunter, it's not as heavy, but it does not feel as crisp. It's it feels a lot more gritty. And so you know, they could be the same weight trigger. But they're gonna feel a lot different just because of how that trigger's built. Right. And so, you know, getting them to the exact same weight I I don't think really
matters that much. It's just about how it feels. Yeah, makes sense. Yeah. Find your rifle's preferred ammo. This is a we don't have to be the dead horse here. Probably we're preaching to the choir on this one. But your average guy out shooting just well, which ammo do we want to get today, Bob? Yeah. And they'll just switch willy nilly and y it's just gonna be tough to get the full dope on that gun, everything to you gotta re zero that thing. There's just so much. Find a load it likes. You have to shoot a bunch of of different loads, but find one and once you find it, buy a whole bunch of that ammo. Yeah, very few times have we found a gun that like we couldn't get it to shoot one MOA after finding the right load. Yeah. And very few guns. So I would say I can we can look back at the stats to get some numbers on this. But I would say most rifles are going to you know, from their worst load to their best, it's gonna be a little bit less than half of the group size. I think that's about fair to say. Something like that. In one of our earlier p ⁓ first podcasts here, yeah, we talked about that exact number. I think that was like the second podcast we did or something. Uh-huh. ⁓ Yeah, but we there are a few rifles of the eighty plus that we tested where the group size was, you know, more than two X with some ammo, and then you go find the right load and sh closes right down. Yep. The one that I'm thinking of right now is the Bagara the SEMA CF. SEMA CF Squared something. Begara, SEMA Squared. I think it's squared SEMA CS. ⁓ yeah. Bagara B fourteen squared SEMA CS. There it Yeah, that's a good letter. Six words. That's a good one. ⁓ that one was it shot like crap until we put in the norma load in six five PRC and boom, boom. That by the way, if you've got a six five PRC, start there. Yeah. Start with that normal bond strike, whatever it is, 145, 140, something like that. All right. Last one. Build out your permanent ballistic data for the rifle. And when I say permanent, I mean permanent. So now we've found the right ammo. You can if you put all the right info into a ballistics calculator, you're not gonna need to touch it ever. Mm-hmm. Ever again. You won't go up into the mountains and say, ⁓ shoot, now we're at ten thousand feet. Now we gotta figure out what the drop is. No. ⁓ all the calculators can adjust for that kind of thing. And so you know, you'll need your muzzle velocity, which is the hardest one for guys to get if you don't have a chronograph, but it's not that big of a deal if you don't have the chronograph. So, okay, so let me let me walk through here and and give a little bit of context if you don't for the guys that don't have a chronograph, because this is a lot. So I get a new rifle, I it I perfectly zero at 100 yards, my turret is zeroed, I'm ready to to start figuring out what the drop is. I'm probably gonna go to four or six hundred yards and I'm gonna start shooting a group there, not just one shot, because you know, we'd it you we'll maybe have a five-inch group down there, and so one shot could be low, the next one could be high, etc. Shoot maybe a five shot group out there at least, and then we'll say, okay, all five shots were a little bit high. And so now you're gonna go into the app and you can do the trueing that just says, okay, at six hundred yards we're five inches high. And you really should only need that one distance. And if all the other data is correct, we should be dead on everywhere. So if you don't have and and so most of the apps have some kind of truing ⁓ functionality. If you don't have a chronograph, you're gonna actually just save yourself a step. Don't even go to the truing function in there. Just go to that whatever 600 yards and Keep adjusting the velocity number on the app of the ammo until we start hitting that on and run from there. That's that's gonna get you as close as we process as we probably are going to get without a chronograph. Because there are two numbers really that you're going to adjust for trueing. You can either change the BC of the bullet until it matches, or we can change the velocity until it matches. Now, there could be a decent reason to change the the bullet BC because some of the manufacturers have a little bit of long nose when it comes to the to the BC. They they're Pinocchio in a little bit ⁓ on that. Actually there was a study done on which companies were giving the most honest BCs and Hornady was at the top of the most honest BCs. I think Berger was also up there. ⁓ I can't remember who who what the others were. Anyway, random data. ⁓ but you can change that but You can't really test the BC of that bullet. And even if your chronograph, a lot of chronographs will figure out the BC. Don't trust it. It's not good not good enough for this. So you could change the BC, but that's that's the number that you can't actually figure out yourself at home. And so why would we be adjusting that one? We we're more accurate to take it from the box, take the manufacturer at their word. The number that you don't have if you don't have a chronograph is the velocity. Because you get the velocity on the box, but ⁓ that they definitely lie about those ones. And it, you know, depends on your rifle, how how fast it's shooting. And so just use that number to true and you're you're gonna be close. You're gonna be doing pretty well. Yep. Well, that's ten things. And I think those are ten good things. Fantastic things. So instead of just going out to shoot on Saturday, pick one of these. Mm-hmm. Like do one of these and that exact same rifle that you have is just gonna be better. Yeah. Forevermore by doing this one time. Yep. And then you do all ten of these. Imagine how good that's gonna be. Mm-hmm. And I'm telling you, there's a lot of rifles that I think people give up on too early because there's a couple of these things that they could have done and they didn't. And they're gonna regret it, you know? So before you give up on your rifle,
just try every one of these things. And I think the biggest thing is make sure you have the rifle's favorite ammo. Yeah. Because if you don't have that None of this matters. You know, if it doesn't like the ammo it's shooting, not a single one of these things is gonna help you. Yep. So yeah, make sure it's got the ammo and then do all these things. So that's what I would say. All right. Well, thanks everybody for listening. We will see you on the third, thirteenth, and twenty third of every month. ⁓ wait a minute. ⁓ what do you have? I forg I should give a couple ⁓ updates on the chassis. I just thought about it. Good thing you didn't press end yet. I have not hit end yet. We'll see who who gave up on ⁓ who gave up on us early in exactly. You guys are gonna get the you guys are gonna get the outro twice. This is a treat for you guys. Wow. This is it's the first time we might need to start selling tickets to the after show. Exactly. Yeah. you guys we're getting inundated with questions about the backlight chassis. It's fall and guys are really trying to get it. We have three shifts of guys working now running the C the C and C's. Garrett is here at 7 a.m. ⁓ running the the CNCs. ⁓ and then Peyton takes over during the middle middle of the day. And now we're adding a night shift to work until after midnight. ⁓ and so like the CNCs are humming, my friends. believe me, if we could make ten times more. We would make ten times more. I would I would love that. That'd be great. ⁓ so I I keep I we keep getting emails of people that are like like not like they are angry with us for not getting I'm like I I I I would love nothing more than I know. My favorite people are mad. My favorite email we've ever gotten was it was a I think it was a while ago when we got these and he's like ⁓ he was he was like genuinely upset. He's like, you know, you would sell more if you just put them on the website. And we're like, We know. We just don't have any to put up. I wish. Yeah, there was there was a guy this morning that was ticked. And he's like, I've been looking for months. And I'm like, I I don't know what to tell you. Yeah, like we're trying. And so people want email notifications. We we might be starting to get close to that for some of the inlets. ⁓ the problem is we started doing email notifications early. And if if we put chassis up, And we send an email notification, then people say, I I clicked on it with within sixty seconds or email and they're and they're gone. This is something's wrong. It's like, nope, they they they literally went in seconds. 'Cause seventy thousand people got the email and right. We emailed seventy thousand people to let ⁓ know that rush over there and it's ⁓ it's only a few of ⁓ got it at the start. And so that made people even more mad. Yeah. ⁓ anyway, so just know we are Believe me, we're doing everything humanly possible. We're a tiny little company. We're doing everything possible to get them out. But I should give an update on some inlets. So our initial plan was to release inlets very, very fast. And that was a poor plan. The the problem is that there's just so much nuance that you learn about each action about each inlet. So an inlet like a Remington seven hundred long, Remington seven hundred short, a Browning to fit the Savage, et cetera. ⁓ we could roll them out pretty quick, but they're just gonna be ten times the number of customer service issues because we'll find out that, you know, the Terminus Zeus action has little screws to take out your barrel and do a quick s quick change and they might rub on the bottom of the chassis. Okay, so we gotta update it for this. And when we do an update, sometimes it impacts two parts and now we have to do new cam on it. You know, we've gotta make the new parts, then they've gotta be ser coded. That's gonna take several days. We have to take care of the customer who had the issue and make sure they get theirs first and all those kind of things. So I mean, we were literally in the triple digits of the number of tiny little improvements we have made to the to the chassis since long since launch. There are, you wouldn't believe today me and Peyton were talking about a four thousandth of an inch change to where we place the Magwell in a short action Remington 700. And we debated it for a good hour if we should move it four. thousandths of an inch. ⁓ because it will fit better in this one, but it ⁓ makes it worse in another or the material doesn't work there, that kind of thing. Anyway, so the problem is we can come out with the inlets, but the people don't get as high quality of a product. And and the other thing is, you know, unfortunately, because they are selling so fast we can get the most of them out to people and serve the most number of customers. By making our inventory as simple as possible. And the simplest is just Micro Remington 700 longs. ⁓ until we can have that actually in stock. We're trying to find kind of a balanced approach to that. ⁓ that we are trying to release some of the new inlets, especially the Tika, trying to get it out there, ⁓ just just to kind of appease people. We are moving on them, but but the reality and the way that we serve the most customers, the very best with the fewest problems, is to keep it small. as long as as long as we possibly can. So you know, we've we published kind of estimated dates on there for when the in new inlets are shipping. I we're gonna do our best to keep kind of updating those, but just know as those things change and getting pushed back, it's not because we're over here, you know, drinking margaritas. W it's because we are tearing our hairs out our hair out over perfection ⁓ of each one. If if we could make I mean we could make the inlets Two days, it'd be pretty easy. We could probably have eight of them. It's really not that difficult. But and and another thing is once you have eight inlets, let's say we find a change, we're like, ooh, I really like this thumbrest position. We get a new idea for the thumb rest, you mostly coming from customers. Or, you know, trying different hunts and shoots we're doing. We say, ooh, we could ch adjust the thumb rest. Now we don't have to change one thumbrest, we have to change eight thumb rests. for every single inlet. And then we have to track those changes and we have to build inventory of those and we gotta repaint them, et cetera. And so that's that's what's happening w with the inlets. And so if you're frustrated not seeing those things, again, believe me, nobody's being nobody's on vacation. Yeah. It is being worked on. Just so you know. We are working night, literally night and day. There are a few hours per day that the machines are sitting idle. Yeah. ⁓ yeah. So anyway, we're trying to get ⁓ out to you. But mostly we want it to be the very best it can. We're a small company. We got we've got a lot of learning to do as we keep perfecting it. Now we'll see on the third thirteenth. ⁓ we get to the twenty third of every month. All right, everybody. Thank you for listening. We'll see you on the third, thirteenth, and twenty-third of every month.