Full Transcript for S2x5 "The Long Dark"

head to reference something I said 40 00:02:26.080 --> 00:02:28.840 from the episode. Everyone else is like you ever guest 41 00:02:28.840 --> 00:02:30.599 writers like, Oh, this guy's hot as hell. Let's funk 42 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:30.800 with that. 43 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:37.759 Let's let's make him the most unfusckable hot guy. 44 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:41.080 Jesus Christ, by the way, the act is doing an 45 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:44.080 amazing job. He's great, He's fantastic. 46 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:47.240 I went into this one like prepping for it, you know, 47 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:49.120 a little behind the scenes. But I always read the 48 00:02:49.159 --> 00:02:51.719 Lurker's guide in the synopsis, I expected there to be 49 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:54.080 a lot of discussion about like. 50 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:55.879 Him basic problematics. 51 00:02:55.960 --> 00:02:59.280 Was yeah, not none at all, Like, not even a 52 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:01.240 little bit, And like, I don't think it was JMS 53 00:03:01.319 --> 00:03:02.680 avoiding it because I. 54 00:03:02.879 --> 00:03:06.520 Need to go to jail exactly, to jail. 55 00:03:06.719 --> 00:03:10.080 Other episodes where like he definitely people criticize something in 56 00:03:10.120 --> 00:03:12.280 the show and he will respond to it. So I 57 00:03:12.280 --> 00:03:14.639 don't think anybody criticized this. I think in the nineties 58 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:16.319 it was just like yeah, hot doctor patient. 59 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:22.240 Fine, No, look I again in the context of the time, yep, 60 00:03:22.400 --> 00:03:24.919 that's just what you do with this episode. I get it. Yes, 61 00:03:25.280 --> 00:03:29.879 it's like so now that it just doesn't fly even 62 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:32.159 a little bit, a little bit. 63 00:03:32.680 --> 00:03:37.240 And then neither calls it. He calls it out like 64 00:03:37.240 --> 00:03:41.199 he's like, I will sleep with my patient, so he knows. 65 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:46.879 But I will aggressively stroke them the entire episode aggressively, 66 00:03:47.159 --> 00:03:50.599 Like the minute that woman opened her eyes, he was like, 67 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:53.039 so sheer single, yes. 68 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:57.000 I'm not going to explain it to you, guys. 69 00:03:56.840 --> 00:03:58.520 Is aggressively stroking right, Well. 70 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:01.240 Yes, Ali's going to fucking expl Yeah. 71 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:07.199 Because I have time for men's nonsense today. 72 00:04:06.080 --> 00:04:08.319 When they find those other people that have been attacked 73 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:10.520 by the monster. She like he's trying to treat them, 74 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:12.759 and she's sitting aside and being like, I'm gonna stroke 75 00:04:12.800 --> 00:04:15.439 your hand because I guess that's what doctor doctors. 76 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:18.639 Do, that's medical care, stroking one's hand. 77 00:04:18.959 --> 00:04:19.879 It's just, you know, for. 78 00:04:20.120 --> 00:04:22.800 The minute, the minute that woman came into the picture, 79 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:26.040 like like he was so eager to get to this woman, 80 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:31.319 he cast aside all safety regulations and opened that little box. Yeah, 81 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:34.040 you know, he so got one look at the fact 82 00:04:34.040 --> 00:04:36.160 that she was a hot lady and was like fuck 83 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:42.839 fuck all safety protocol, yeah, fuck all, Like fuck all propriety. 84 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:46.439 I'm gonna stroke this woman's head, like that is my 85 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:47.839 job instead of doctor. 86 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:52.240 It's a situation where where you know, just it's just 87 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:54.680 if it had added something to the plot. 88 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:56.240 I thought for sure this woman was. 89 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:01.680 She had been possessed by the monster. 90 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:04.879 I think it's just a condemnation of the nineties, just 91 00:05:04.920 --> 00:05:05.720 the times. 92 00:05:05.879 --> 00:05:08.680 Man, Like, it's just this was not good. 93 00:05:08.800 --> 00:05:11.160 It kind of felt like the actor the rest of 94 00:05:11.199 --> 00:05:14.360 the episode was great, and maybe this is me projecting, 95 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:16.680 It kind of felt like the actor was aware that 96 00:05:16.720 --> 00:05:17.199 this was he. 97 00:05:19.480 --> 00:05:20.439 Was like he a. 98 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:22.839 Couple of times looked like he's like I kind of 99 00:05:22.839 --> 00:05:26.399 can't believe I'm doing this right now. Like, if you 100 00:05:26.519 --> 00:05:28.600 watch closely, there's a couple of moments where he's being 101 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:30.800 all sexy with her where you could tell he's like 102 00:05:31.360 --> 00:05:34.560 he's like, I guess I'm gonna do this now. 103 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:37.120 I can't guess this is what they want. 104 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:41.399 Like the stroking was like very frantic in a way 105 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:43.480 where I was like what it. 106 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:47.360 Was just completely unnecessary. I mean I mean, yeah, it's 107 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:50.079 sure whatever of the time, whatever, I don't give a fuck. 108 00:05:50.480 --> 00:05:55.839 It just completely added nothing to the episode. It didn't benefit. 109 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:57.720 I'm just like when people are like I want to 110 00:05:57.759 --> 00:05:59.600 go back to the good old days, like the weird 111 00:05:59.639 --> 00:06:04.439 stroke looking days, Like. 112 00:06:04.439 --> 00:06:06.120 Let's be clear by what we're asking for. 113 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:08.439 Man, your beloved husband just died. 114 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:11.439 Like the good ol days are not just Pinafores, Like, 115 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:12.639 let's be clear. 116 00:06:13.920 --> 00:06:16.199 I mean

we're Pinafore. Is that what people are longing for? 117 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:17.639 Are you longing for pills? 118 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:20.480 Some of the tid wives are Some of the tidwives are, 119 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:22.879 And I'm like, okay, but you also had no rights 120 00:06:22.959 --> 00:06:23.399 back then. 121 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:27.959 Is a scam created by Big Pinafore to sell more Pinafores. 122 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:34.360 Yes, the Big Pinafore lobby and lobbyists. Oh my god. Yeah. 123 00:06:35.839 --> 00:06:39.519 I want to just point something else out about the times. 124 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:42.480 Just I very much. This is one of those episodes 125 00:06:42.480 --> 00:06:45.480 that I do remember watching the first time, and there's 126 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:48.720 a thing that would happen in nineties television that I 127 00:06:48.800 --> 00:06:51.920 noticed as a black person all the time is oh, 128 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:54.360 they introduced a hot black lady. They're going to kiss. 129 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:56.680 Okay, that's listen. 130 00:06:56.800 --> 00:06:59.319 I thought about it. I thought about it the minute 131 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:02.279 I thought that she was a black woman. Well I'm 132 00:07:02.279 --> 00:07:04.000 not the one to say don't. 133 00:07:04.240 --> 00:07:07.120 But that is literally like so I didn't have the 134 00:07:07.199 --> 00:07:09.160 shock of oh my god, it's gross. I was just like, 135 00:07:09.399 --> 00:07:11.879 it's gonna happen. There's there's no I don't think the 136 00:07:11.920 --> 00:07:14.120 whole thing I'm about to say, but it's the nineties. 137 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:18.600 There's no other reason in the nineties, like, yeah, it 138 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:22.560 doesn't happen now, thank god, But less the amount of 139 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:24.639 times like I had. You know, I was in university 140 00:07:24.680 --> 00:07:26.439 and at the time, and I with your roommates, and 141 00:07:26.439 --> 00:07:28.839 we'd be watching a movie or television and I would 142 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:31.160 call a couple and they'd be like, how do you 143 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:35.480 like she's black? He's black, like, that's that's all you need. 144 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:39.199 Apparently she showed up and I went, oh god, please, no, 145 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:42.759 I don't say anything. But I was like no, no, no, no, 146 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:46.720 no no no no no, don't don't don't don't, yeah, 147 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:50.639 do not take I thought about it. Characters and make 148 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:51.079 them kiss. 149 00:07:51.199 --> 00:07:51.879 I gotta be really. 150 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:53.879 I thought about it because I was like, oh, that's 151 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:56.519 like progressive. And then I saw doctor Steve take a 152 00:07:56.560 --> 00:07:57.279 look at her and I was. 153 00:07:57.240 --> 00:08:02.839 Like, no, no, now. 154 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:11.319 Of the times, Yeah, no, it's it's it's it's just wow. 155 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:16.879 Yeah, it just was. I just realized I'm like waiting 156 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:18.800 for you guys to speak, and that's this is really 157 00:08:18.800 --> 00:08:20.639 awkward for you. I'm sorry, white people. 158 00:08:21.560 --> 00:08:22.279 It's not awkward. 159 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:23.560 You're white guilt. 160 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:30.399 But no, no, no, no no, it's try away away. Yes, 161 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:31.199 that's true. 162 00:08:31.360 --> 00:08:32.759 All we can say is not as bad. 163 00:08:32.919 --> 00:08:35.759 It's not awkward. It's just it's it's the situation and 164 00:08:35.799 --> 00:08:38.679 it was the situation then, and it really fucking sucks 165 00:08:38.679 --> 00:08:43.279 that it was the situation then. Yeah, and I'm you know, 166 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:45.360 that is sorry. 167 00:08:47.080 --> 00:08:50.399 It's just one of most things, just like everything about 168 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:54.559 it about it is bad, Like there's nothing in that story. 169 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:54.639 That. 170 00:08:54.720 --> 00:08:59.000 I yeah, Like when you said, oh Steve, doctor Steve 171 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:02.279 does something out of pocket, I literally like stop calling it, guys, 172 00:09:02.360 --> 00:09:04.240 like you fully called that at the beginning of the 173 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:08.919 episode because I've been I've been dreading this storyline. 174 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:12.440 I think I think it well for me. For me, 175 00:09:14.480 --> 00:09:17.519 the second it started, I went, oh God, and I 176 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:19.559 just I just kind of shut off any level of 177 00:09:19.600 --> 00:09:23.159 analysis that was happening to that plot. Like the second 178 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:27.960 balk me and it's this one I'm not have been 179 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:33.320 so good because doctor Steve is not a stupid person, 180 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:36.840 Like the character is an intelligent character. He came up 181 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:39.519 with the idea to use the June Lockhart machine on Garibaldi. 182 00:09:40.039 --> 00:09:42.120 He had a whole fucking thing, like, he's not a 183 00:09:42.480 --> 00:09:45.200 he's not a dumb ass. He done jupid pills this episode. 184 00:09:45.200 --> 00:09:46.879 But every now and again a guest or comes in 185 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:49.440 is like hot actor, Yeah, well what a fucking idiot, 186 00:09:49.879 --> 00:09:51.240 And then they. 187 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:53.840 Got right, they're all a hot actor. It's just I know, 188 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:55.960 there was something. There was something. I was like, there's 189 00:09:56.000 --> 00:09:57.759 a racist undertone in here, and I can't put my 190 00:09:57.799 --> 00:09:59.480 finger on it, but like I was just like there 191 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:00.960 was something I don't like

it. 192 00:10:01.720 --> 00:10:05.480 Yeah, it's just like, I'm not calling the right of racist. 193 00:10:05.519 --> 00:10:07.480 I was just like, no, no, no, no, no, no, because I 194 00:10:07.480 --> 00:10:09.399 don't know them nineties. 195 00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:12.600 It was in the air. It's not in the air currently, 196 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:14.240 but it was even more in the air, you know 197 00:10:14.240 --> 00:10:14.639 what I mean? 198 00:10:14.720 --> 00:10:17.200 Yes, And like I said, like there's there are other 199 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:20.279 things that come up in the Lurkers Guide. Apparently nobody 200 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:23.840 right watching this episode in the nineties was like, maybe 201 00:10:23.879 --> 00:10:27.000 he shouldn't be trying to like taking the patient back 202 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:29.120 to his quarters was closer. 203 00:10:30.360 --> 00:10:37.039 Was Crazzy That was crazy, stayed there the entire night. 204 00:10:40.279 --> 00:10:43.720 That was No, that was crazy, and that Garibaldi made 205 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:44.639 a quip about it. 206 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:45.759 That was crazy. 207 00:10:45.879 --> 00:10:48.320 It was like, all of these men, we need to 208 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:51.080 have sensitivity training immediately. 209 00:10:51.840 --> 00:10:55.200 Here's the thing, though, here's the thing that sucks. All 210 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:58.559 of that ship is overshadowing the fact that Dwight Schultz 211 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:02.919 was in this episode, yes, and did an incredible job. 212 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:06.320 Incredible Yeah, all of that again. 213 00:11:06.639 --> 00:11:08.559 All I'm sorry, Jenny, go ahead, I. 214 00:11:08.639 --> 00:11:09.240 Just get get. 215 00:11:09.320 --> 00:11:13.320 He gives this amazing monologue, and the commenters that all 216 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.320 get mad that we talked too much. It probably won't 217 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:18.919 be that huge monologue, won't be a huge part of 218 00:11:18.919 --> 00:11:22.080 the reaction because we were just entranced by the screen 219 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:23.600 and just watching it for like. 220 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:30.440 That. Yeahs any talks. And that's what pisses me off too, 221 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:33.960 is all this weird fucking doctor Steve shit. We've spent 222 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:36.440 eleven minutes talking about it, and we just mentioned that 223 00:11:36.519 --> 00:11:39.840 Barkley was in the episode, and Barkley was the heart 224 00:11:39.879 --> 00:11:42.799 and soul of the fucking episode. And God, I am 225 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:45.399 so annoyed that she wasn't possessed by the monster thing. 226 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:48.159 I wanted it to be the monster so bad. Why 227 00:11:48.200 --> 00:11:49.039 did we not go there? 228 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:52.039 Jenny FROs I froze just a second place. 229 00:11:51.919 --> 00:11:55.120 Jenny FROs picularly about how damn it was. 230 00:11:56.799 --> 00:11:59.039 You can cut out the part where your avatar phrases 231 00:11:59.080 --> 00:12:01.080 and just have us on the screen if you'd prefer. 232 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:05.600 That was crazy. I'm so sorry. I can't get over 233 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:07.799 that he brought her back to his corner. I can't 234 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:08.399 get over it. 235 00:12:08.519 --> 00:12:10.440 I can't both of us. 236 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:13.159 I want character deserves much better, man. 237 00:12:13.279 --> 00:12:15.519 I want a clip of our reaction because. 238 00:12:15.279 --> 00:12:17.960 The actor's really good. The actor replaces Doctor Steve is 239 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:22.159 really good, and he the character could have so much 240 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:25.279 going on, but every time we get him in and 241 00:12:25.320 --> 00:12:27.480 I'm assuming it's just us right now, Jenny, because you're 242 00:12:27.519 --> 00:12:30.200 kind of your your avatar's just kind of twitching. And 243 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:33.399 every time blugg back, every time we get a plot 244 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:36.799 with doctor Steve's just some weird, fucking bullshit. And I 245 00:12:36.840 --> 00:12:40.000 made a joke in the in the episode where reaction 246 00:12:40.039 --> 00:12:43.919 where I was like, either either what was the first 247 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:47.840 thing that I said, but the second option was JMS 248 00:12:47.919 --> 00:12:50.080 is just deliberately kicking the character and they head whenever 249 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:54.600 he can. Yes and again not JMS episodes and again Believers, 250 00:12:54.679 --> 00:12:57.159 as I have said before, is one of the It's 251 00:12:57.240 --> 00:13:00.480 really goddamn good as an episode, even in it paints 252 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:02.000 Doctor Steve in a horrific light. 253 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:04.039 But that's a great episode. 254 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:06.399 It's really good. But the character just keeps on doing 255 00:13:06.519 --> 00:13:09.480 stupid fucking ship and there. 256 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:11.200 Has not been a redemption for doctor Stephen. 257 00:13:11.240 --> 00:13:13.080 Well, he brought Airbaldi back and that gave him two 258 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:14.480 episodes and then he did die. 259 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:16.320 I gave him half a medical license back to. 260 00:13:16.399 --> 00:13:18.720 Diet culture dot com and this. 261 00:13:19.879 --> 00:13:22.360 And the diet culture I was willing to accept because 262 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:25.080 of the times this was insane. 263 00:13:25.759 --> 00:13:28.759 This was insane, and the culture like it's it's die culture, 264 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:32.440 but it was not as bad as it was more 265 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:35.559 nuanced than that made an effort. 266 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:37.080 So far as diet culture plotline, it. 267 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:40.000 Made an effort, but this was Ray. 268

00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:44.519 Was appalling the bring her back to your quarters and 269 00:13:44.639 --> 00:13:46.519 then making out with her and trying to make out 270 00:13:46.559 --> 00:13:49.480 with her in the quarters and stroking her. And she's 271 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:54.960 a recent in her mind, widow widow what there's no excuse, 272 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:57.720 I know, Doctor Stephen. 273 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:00.399 It's just bad man. It's just really that part. 274 00:14:00.320 --> 00:14:02.320 Where I never thought of they I never thought of 275 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:04.320 the idea of her being a secubist and that would 276 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:05.320 fix it. Like so. 277 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:10.559 Yes, because I'm watching the episode and I say, he 278 00:14:10.799 --> 00:14:14.960 is not this stupid. This character is not dumb. This 279 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:18.279 character makes bad decisions sometimes. This character is known to 280 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:21.799 be kind of a philanthroper. This character is like every 281 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:24.639 time there's a woman involved, he's he's doing eyes and 282 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:26.600 kind of like being a little bit flirty with her, 283 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:32.240 which but also you know, I get it. He was 284 00:14:32.519 --> 00:14:35.799 you get it, no, because he came from soaps. The 285 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:39.480 act came from soaps. So so I'm like, sure, I 286 00:14:39.639 --> 00:14:42.000 understand that you get this guy. You're gonna go, oh, well, 287 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:44.159 we should probably set him up for this situation because 288 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:47.120 he's really good at it. But then you put him 289 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:49.360 in this situation, I'm like, well, he's not a fucking idiot. 290 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:52.320 He is talking about how this is inappropriate. He is 291 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:54.519 aware that this is not what he was he should 292 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:58.399 be doing. This woman is clearly deeply connected to whatever 293 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:02.440 this monster thing is. She must be possessed by the monster, 294 00:15:02.720 --> 00:15:07.919 and she must be trying to more covertly operate out 295 00:15:08.120 --> 00:15:14.039 of herself to infect other people rather than just being 296 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:17.799 like giant invisible devil, evil shadow monster and or. 297 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:20.320 And this is not the actors not doing a good job. 298 00:15:21.279 --> 00:15:24.000 They needed to have way more undeniable chemistry to pull 299 00:15:24.039 --> 00:15:26.200 this off, to pull off both of them bigness dumb. 300 00:15:26.480 --> 00:15:30.480 I mean like they they did not have the. 301 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:34.320 Level of chemistry required no for this to be like 302 00:15:34.600 --> 00:15:38.679 oh no, like even though it's so wrong, we somehow 303 00:15:38.720 --> 00:15:41.000 are rooting for this anyway because you two are so 304 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:45.320 like meant for each other that it's insane, Like these 305 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:49.399 two are good actors who had normal person chemistry. 306 00:15:49.480 --> 00:15:52.919 This also like, yes, there was an extended. 307 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:57.240 It needed to be super like human chemistry where we're 308 00:15:57.279 --> 00:15:59.399 like I don't care what happens. 309 00:15:59.480 --> 00:16:00.679 I don't care how wrong this is. 310 00:16:01.799 --> 00:16:03.240 Jet they have to kiss. 311 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:04.919 I don't know what to tell you, because when he 312 00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:09.080 told her that that's hard to fight, this is gonna sound. 313 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:10.919 Like I'm bagging on the actress and it's really not 314 00:16:11.080 --> 00:16:13.960 meant to be me bagging on the actress. But when 315 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:17.559 he tells her that the husband is dead, there is 316 00:16:17.639 --> 00:16:22.519 a really really long shot on her face where she 317 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:29.720 is not reacting very much, and I guess the purpose 318 00:16:29.799 --> 00:16:33.399 there was that she was in shock. But watching it, 319 00:16:33.840 --> 00:16:36.879 I was like, Okay, why are we spending like eight 320 00:16:37.039 --> 00:16:41.320 seconds looking at her face and going this isn't registering 321 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:44.720 or clicking too much. I went, oh, it's because she's 322 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:51.519 putting on that she's upset, But no, she was. She 323 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:54.039 was just upset and was in shock, which is which 324 00:16:54.080 --> 00:16:58.200 makes sense. But I don't know, man, it just didn't 325 00:16:58.240 --> 00:16:59.360 work for me. Yeah. 326 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:10.880 I just think that the two Yeah, like like. 327 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:14.680 You cast me in fucking what to pull this off? 328 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:17.119 I just feel like to pull this off, like you 329 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:20.559 had to be like like a couple where you're like, 330 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:23.240 should we leave you alone? 331 00:17:23.559 --> 00:17:23.759 Yeah? 332 00:17:25.119 --> 00:17:28.480 Like efforts that neither of you will know or will 333 00:17:28.519 --> 00:17:30.599 have seen, I imagine. But Moonlighting. 334 00:17:31.960 --> 00:17:35.839 Daniella and Pasha from Dancing with the Stars dance together. 335 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:37.640 That's the level of chemistry. 336 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:40.279 I'm talking. Sure, I don't know that one. 337 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:43.559 We're going to say, send you a clip. 338 00:17:44.000 --> 00:17:47.599 I feel like I am walking in on something what 339 00:17:47.759 --> 00:17:48.519 we should feel. 340 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:51.440 Because then also we get to the whole thing where 341 00:17:52.319 --> 00:17:54.240 she's talking about her husband. She's like,

well, you know, 342 00:17:54.319 --> 00:17:59.960 we fought a lot, and I'm like, and say, you're. 343 00:18:00.240 --> 00:18:02.759 Okay with making out with this guy you met yesterday? 344 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:08.079 Yeah, I'm like, I'm sorry for today. Married couple sometimes fight, Yeah, 345 00:18:08.079 --> 00:18:10.799 it just happened, and it's been nuts. That doesn't make 346 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:13.200 you love the person less necessarily. 347 00:18:13.359 --> 00:18:14.440 And I'm like, I'm sorry. 348 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:17.000 If I'm not feeling a guy's vibe, if I'm not 349 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:19.839 suddenly feeling my husband's vibe, I'm not signing up to do. 350 00:18:19.920 --> 00:18:21.519 One hundred years in space with him. 351 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:21.680 No. 352 00:18:22.880 --> 00:18:26.079 No, it just doesn't collect. It just doesn't make sense. 353 00:18:26.200 --> 00:18:28.759 It's it's and again, I want to take a step. 354 00:18:28.920 --> 00:18:30.559 I tried to do this in the episode, but then 355 00:18:30.599 --> 00:18:32.680 he started trying to kiss her, and yes. 356 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:34.720 You were trying, you were trying. 357 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:38.480 And then immediately when he brought her back to her 358 00:18:38.799 --> 00:18:40.480 do its quarters and started drying back on her. 359 00:18:40.559 --> 00:18:43.079 You were like, never mind, I will take. 360 00:18:42.960 --> 00:18:45.480 A second and step back and go, yeah, I understand 361 00:18:45.599 --> 00:18:47.440 it's the nineties and the guy wanted to put a 362 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:50.519 romance plot in, but fuck me, like, this is just 363 00:18:50.720 --> 00:18:53.960 not this is not the one and again, especially not 364 00:18:54.079 --> 00:18:56.240 when you're gonna cast a mixed choice character to make 365 00:18:56.279 --> 00:18:58.839 out with a mixed raoice character. Like, this was bad, man, 366 00:18:59.319 --> 00:19:04.359 this was this, This was really bad. Yes, the rest 367 00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:06.039 of the episode was great, excellent. 368 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:09.240 The rest of the episode is good. We got some 369 00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:10.519 good lore information. 370 00:19:12.799 --> 00:19:15.720 I was like, I was a little disappointed that it 371 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:18.160 was didn't have like more to do with the shadow 372 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:19.519 goblin genie men. 373 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:21.920 We did directly. 374 00:19:22.759 --> 00:19:26.720 I just wanted my friends the shadowy goblin genie man 375 00:19:26.839 --> 00:19:32.279 creepy man. Yeah, invisible Monster didn't scare me as much. 376 00:19:32.359 --> 00:19:35.400 But we did have invisible Monster in the finale of 377 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:40.720 season one. True, Remember we had multiple crystallids looking guys. Yeah, 378 00:19:40.839 --> 00:19:43.599 so we know, Oh, maybe that's the hyperspace thing. Maybe 379 00:19:43.640 --> 00:19:45.960 some of them live in hyperspace and they're like half 380 00:19:46.119 --> 00:19:48.759 in real space half in hyperspace, and that's why, Oh 381 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:53.279 she got really still, that's that's why, that's that's. 382 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:57.359 Why, Uh, this is not good because it's only me, right, 383 00:19:57.440 --> 00:19:59.799 So you don't you're not dividing your focus between me and. 384 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:09.039 No and I again, for as much as the other 385 00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:13.279 poor guest star was suffering through having to act that plot. Uh, 386 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:19.799 Barkley was amazing. Yes, he did so fucking well. 387 00:20:20.000 --> 00:20:26.079 Oh so astautd. I haven't seen him in more things like. 388 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:29.079 The monologue I know now, I'm like, god, what could 389 00:20:29.119 --> 00:20:34.599 I what could I write that? I cast? I want 390 00:20:34.640 --> 00:20:38.160 to cast him in something. He's so good. 391 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:41.400 The way he went, like the choice to go to 392 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:46.319 become the soldier during the monologue and then change back. 393 00:20:46.440 --> 00:20:50.039 I mean like that was so fluid and good and 394 00:20:50.519 --> 00:20:54.160 grounded and made sense. I loved it the way that, 395 00:20:54.359 --> 00:20:57.519 like his reality made sense to him, Like that's so 396 00:20:57.680 --> 00:20:59.640 important when you're playing someone who's lost it. 397 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:02.440 And yes, by the way, chat, I know he was 398 00:21:02.519 --> 00:21:05.079 on the A team, but I know him first from 399 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:10.079 if you commented that in the video reaction you owe 400 00:21:10.119 --> 00:21:11.240 me one thousand dollars? 401 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:13.599 Can we split it? 402 00:21:14.440 --> 00:21:18.839 Yes, you owe the podcasts if you went you fucking idiots, 403 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:21.920 he was on the A team. You Patreon one thousand 404 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:23.000 dollars now, thank you? 405 00:21:25.240 --> 00:21:26.079 Nice? Nice? 406 00:21:27.519 --> 00:21:29.079 What if one day someone takes us up on it. 407 00:21:29.720 --> 00:21:32.200 Oh my God, give you a legend. 408 00:21:32.920 --> 00:21:38.400 Yes, Bruce Box lightning cameos for everybody. Yes, sorry, go ahead. 409 00:21:38.599 --> 00:21:44.839 So yeah, anyway, well acted from him. The lady did 410 00:21:44.880 --> 00:21:46.839 her best with what she was given. 411 00:21:47.519 --> 00:21:48.240 Yeah, it was not. 412 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:52.359 I mean, here's why the chemistry was No, here's part 413 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:54.519 of it. Part of it was that the two of 414 00:21:54.599 --> 00:21:57.160 them spent a majority of their scenes together not looking 415 00:21:57.200 --> 00:21:57.839 at one another. 416 00:21:58.480 --> 00:21:59.160 That is true. 417 00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:02.200 Yeah, I'm sorry. 418

00:22:02.279 --> 00:22:07.400 Have you ever seen people who like have chemistry They're 419 00:22:07.599 --> 00:22:11.680 leaning in their eyes are lock solid on each other 420 00:22:12.200 --> 00:22:14.799 like I It's just that's how. 421 00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:22.400 Yeah, well look how we're sitting. I'm sorry. 422 00:22:22.799 --> 00:22:27.880 Yeah, there's a connection. And it's not just random this ship, 423 00:22:30.200 --> 00:22:36.920 you know, like that's insane. It's like, you know, there's 424 00:22:37.079 --> 00:22:39.559 just there's a there's a quality, and the two of 425 00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:44.079 them had like normal person chemistry, not not it's ordained 426 00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:46.079 by the God's chemistry, which is the only kind of 427 00:22:46.160 --> 00:22:49.839 chemistry that could excuse my I found that my husband 428 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:50.880 was dead yesterday. 429 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:54.559 Yeah, that is the only kind of chemistry today. 430 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:57.240 Today is the next scene. He brought her. 431 00:22:57.519 --> 00:23:00.960 I found he was dead today and now we're in 432 00:23:01.079 --> 00:23:04.960 the I want to kiss you in your quarters, Like, ma'am, I. 433 00:23:05.079 --> 00:23:07.440 Understand grief is the hell of a drug, but like, no, 434 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:08.079 you want it to. 435 00:23:08.119 --> 00:23:10.519 Be more than just two hot people with normal chemistry. 436 00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:13.160 It's like it has to be too hot people with 437 00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:15.880 no we have spiciest chemistry of all time. 438 00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:17.799 We have to go back to dwighte Cheltz. We have 439 00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:19.839 to go back to Park. Okay, because that plot was 440 00:23:19.920 --> 00:23:21.240 actually interesting and good. 441 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:23.160 Yes, you have the floor. 442 00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:24.920 He was great, and I liked him, and I like 443 00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:27.400 the fact that there are shadows and have been shadows 444 00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:29.559 for quite some time, and the shadows have been around 445 00:23:29.599 --> 00:23:34.839 for a minute. And Jakar was like, wait a minute, 446 00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:38.200 this sounds like Satan from the Bible, and that was cool. 447 00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:40.160 I liked that, and I liked that we got dwighte. 448 00:23:40.200 --> 00:23:42.720 Chiltz giving a long fucking monologue and that we got 449 00:23:42.759 --> 00:23:45.440 all of the B tier level aliens being like, this 450 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:48.400 sounds like Satan from the Bible is back and Londo 451 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:51.400 being like, who knows that fucking bullshit? 452 00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:53.319 And now we got to go back. 453 00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:59.400 I'm talking about how problematic doctor Steve was. That's where 454 00:23:59.480 --> 00:24:03.200 my focus focus. I am locked in on how to 455 00:24:03.240

--> 00:24:05.599 solve this problem. It was that she is a psuchupist 456 00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:07.079 the whole time, that that was. 457 00:24:07.799 --> 00:24:09.240 The way to do it. 458 00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:12.680 We had the people on the floor, we have them all. 459 00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:17.319 Yeah, you have the possibility that, like the alien leaves 460 00:24:17.400 --> 00:24:21.480 something in you that gives you some sort of natural power, 461 00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:25.039 like it actually power story, It would make a lot 462 00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:25.759 of fucking. 463 00:24:25.599 --> 00:24:29.359 Sense that that that she was really skinny and the. 464 00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:32.519 Guy really skinny, and everyone got really skinny. It was 465 00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:35.079 really skinny. But no, apparently it was just sucking your 466 00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:36.880 organ out of your ass. I guess I don't know 467 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:38.519 where the fuck the hearts came out of. 468 00:24:38.720 --> 00:24:41.880 But did she still have organs? 469 00:24:42.200 --> 00:24:44.319 Apparently yes, and so did Schultz. 470 00:24:44.759 --> 00:24:50.079 Yeah, fat fat slash, I don't know. Yeah, he was 471 00:24:50.119 --> 00:24:54.240 eighty five pounds. Like, holy crap, that's bad. 472 00:24:54.680 --> 00:24:55.480 That's very bad. 473 00:24:55.640 --> 00:24:56.440 Ye's too. 474 00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:01.920 Too things any grown adult, full sized person. I just 475 00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:02.920 don't think that will work out. 476 00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:04.079 So yeah, almost all of. 477 00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:06.960 Them speaking of the alien. I just wanted to point 478 00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:09.200 something out from the notes like that at the end, 479 00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:11.440 when you were like trying to figure out about what 480 00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:14.839 they were seeing and what nott uh he says in 481 00:25:14.920 --> 00:25:18.720 the notes, we pushed the envelope. They talked about the 482 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:21.799 special effects and sometimes we get a paper cut. I had, 483 00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:25.920 for instance, much more in mind for the he says EFX. 484 00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:28.119 I don't know what that means in the final confrontation 485 00:25:28.240 --> 00:25:30.480 in a long dark but we were alas and then 486 00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:34.079 he like does an emoji like this close? U this 487 00:25:34.279 --> 00:25:36.240 much ahead of the technology. We had to pull off 488 00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:39.039 what he wanted. So I'm curious your thoughts on like 489 00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:41.960 what they had going like we did was enough for 490 00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:42.720 you like he was? 491 00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:46.519 I mean no, I think that what he was probably 492 00:25:46.599 --> 00:25:51.079 going for was like heat shimmer, maybe a persistent heat 493 00:25:51.119 --> 00:25:54.279 shimmer in space, because when

it was getting shot, it 494 00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:59.720 was surrounded with electrical yeah, you know, electrical arcing, and 495 00:25:59.880 --> 00:26:02.799 I imagine that what he was going for was more 496 00:26:02.839 --> 00:26:07.599 of a for lack of a better term, like voyager 497 00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:08.519 cloaking effect. 498 00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:09.359 Yeah. 499 00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:09.920 I can see that. 500 00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:13.680 Yeah, you know where it's like you can tell something 501 00:26:13.799 --> 00:26:17.160 is there, but it looks like light being shown through glass. 502 00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:19.880 That yeah that works. Yeah, that makes sense. 503 00:26:21.960 --> 00:26:25.720 But yeah they can tell the thing. Yeah, because Sheridan 504 00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:28.799 ran in and immediately went oh and started lighting in, 505 00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:33.119 just shot it nothing, yeah, right away, So I imagine 506 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:34.400 it was meant to be. I'm trying to think of 507 00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:37.519 the what is it. There are things in Star Trek 508 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:39.720 that can do like individual cloaking eight four seven two 509 00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:41.200 can't I don't think. 510 00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:48.039 Seven two cats. Yeah, they live in liquid space. I 511 00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:50.240 don't remember about cloaking there. 512 00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:54.359 There is definitely some some monster in Star Trek that 513 00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:57.440 can do like individual cloaking fields. I just don't remember 514 00:26:57.480 --> 00:26:59.640 what it is right now. Oh well, no, that's never one, 515 00:26:59.720 --> 00:27:02.160 never mind, but I think that's probably what he was 516 00:27:02.200 --> 00:27:02.480 going for. 517 00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:04.480 Was like, yeah, probably, yeah. 518 00:27:04.359 --> 00:27:09.160 Dune shielding basically, yeah, which would have been cool, which 519 00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:13.200 would have worked. But and it's not that this didn't 520 00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:17.359 work at all, but I kind of had to go, Okay, 521 00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:20.720 they're they're compensating a little bit for the times, which 522 00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:23.799 is fine. I didn't mind it. It didn't piss me off. 523 00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:27.559 I was too busy being pissed off about Doctor Steve Yes. 524 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:31.279 Which, as we predicted, is the majority of the focus. 525 00:27:32.039 --> 00:27:35.200 I do want to how could we possibly talk about 526 00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:35.799 anything else? 527 00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:36.319 I just. 528 00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:40.640 Gonna try it. Some of the lore that was dropped 529 00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:41.720 you were quite excited about. 530 00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:44.160 So Tony gave humans jump gates. 531 00:27:44.759 --> 00:27:51.839 Why, well, one thing I can't remember what episode out, 532 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:54.200 but yeah, they pointed it out in the comments I 533 00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:55.480 was like, oh, yeah, we should have brought that up 534 00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:58.240 in that episode. I think it's just one of you know, 535 00:27:58.279 --> 00:28:00.960 when you come from like our level of nerdy background, 536 00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:03.920 with like a deep star trek background, there's no prime 537 00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:06.759 directive in this universe. There's no like, we don't give 538 00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:10.359 technology to lower like species that have less. There's just 539 00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:12.400 none of that, like that's a very star trek thing. 540 00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:14.640 So they just thought it'd be really funny. 541 00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:18.799 Well, they wanted trade negotiations. It was part like, we 542 00:28:18.920 --> 00:28:24.759 want some of your staff here, you what. 543 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:27.319 Here's the thing that was why. 544 00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:32.119 They said they don't. They opened up trade negotiations with 545 00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:35.519 US and gave us jump gate technology as part. Okact, 546 00:28:35.680 --> 00:28:38.279 I guess that's the I don't remember exactly how we 547 00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:39.559 worded it, but it's something to that effect. 548 00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:45.039 Respectfully to the lower builders. When it comes to economics 549 00:28:45.079 --> 00:28:51.240 of trade, interstellar travel is more valuable than absolutely anything 550 00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:54.920 that you can get from an individual star system. There 551 00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:58.240 is absolutely no capacity in which it would makes sense 552 00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:02.200 to me for the Centauri to give up interstellar travel technology. 553 00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:04.920 Okay, but human music is pretty awesome in exchange for 554 00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:05.519 the Beatles. 555 00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:07.000 It just doesn't work for me. 556 00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:10.680 You're telling me the interstellar travel and the Beatles are 557 00:29:11.039 --> 00:29:14.039 been broadcasting the Beatles into space since the dawn of time. 558 00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:14.799 They already had it. 559 00:29:14.920 --> 00:29:16.599 Well, we're terrible business people. 560 00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:20.799 Study has been blasting ship out in every direction. This 561 00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:23.839 fucking podcast may be blasted out into space for all 562 00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:28.880 I fucking know. Like like like I'm being a little 563 00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:35.839 bit facetious, but regardless, what in God's name could Earth 564 00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:39.119 have offered the centaury in exchange for Jumpkate technology? 565 00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:45.440 Maybe I have some thoughts in this dogs Earth has 566 00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:47.079 cool ship, we have dogs. 567 00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:52.079 If you

have a mostellar empire and you want doggs, 568 00:29:52.359 --> 00:29:57.200 you just take the dogs. If you're the Space Soviet Union. 569 00:29:57.039 --> 00:29:59.160 No, because you convinced them that the dogs won't like. 570 00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:01.720 You know, but it's a the Space Soviet Union, and 571 00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:06.359 fucking I don't know space whine. Space Canada shows up 572 00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:10.440 and is like, how you're doing respectfully, h Jenny, thank you? 573 00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:13.079 You're just gonna take the damn dogs from Canada if 574 00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:14.240 you want them there. 575 00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:18.319 That's not a good way to start Internationally. There are 576 00:30:18.319 --> 00:30:20.680 a colonial empire inspatial relationship. 577 00:30:20.720 --> 00:30:22.160 Yes, they are a colonial empire. 578 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:24.279 Why would they That's what I was gonna That's I 579 00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:26.240 was gonna say, if you remember from the I don't 580 00:30:26.240 --> 00:30:28.680 remember it's a pilot or episode one, but when when 581 00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:32.240 humans and the Centauri first met, the Centauri tried to 582 00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:36.720 convince the humans, yeah, you're a lost colony, so I 583 00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:39.519 can imagine them thinking of it like there's some sort 584 00:30:39.559 --> 00:30:43.319 of we're gonna rule over you, but we're gonna pretend 585 00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:45.799 to be like super benevolent. Like I can sort of 586 00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:50.039 see them being likedmonic thing, yeah, like we're gonna welcome 587 00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:52.559 you in and you'll be our subjects. And then humans 588 00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:54.480 turned out to be like, wait, we're not related at all, 589 00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:56.960 but not until maybe this is meat head canon in it, 590 00:30:57.279 --> 00:30:59.880 like after they got it, they want to be like, yeah. 591 00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:04.519 Yeah, I guess I'll take it. I'm gonna go. 592 00:31:04.599 --> 00:31:05.519 I'm going with the dogs. 593 00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:11.720 Dogs, docs, they wanted docs. 594 00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:14.200 They they wanted they wanted. 595 00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:20.480 Cat yessessive cats. 596 00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:23.920 Cat have feathers, go quack. That's absolutely what it is. 597 00:31:24.319 --> 00:31:27.680 If any character in this franchise needs to be holding 598 00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:31.519 a cat like this, Charlie, I'm sorry, and petting it 599 00:31:32.160 --> 00:31:36.599 like this, it's Londo Malari. Any character needs to be 600 00:31:36.680 --> 00:31:39.400 holding and petting a cat like this, it's Londo and 601 00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:41.680 I swear to funk if two episodes from now he's 602 00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:44.519 doing that, Jan s os me five hundred dollars. 603 00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:48.119 Wow, Wow, you're gonna get rich off this. 604 00:31:48.599 --> 00:31:50.759 He could take it, he can handle it. 605 00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:51.839 Mm hmm. 606 00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:53.920 Nobody's ever taken me up on this before. 607 00:31:55.559 --> 00:32:01.160 No, No, the only thing I think, yes, there's people 608 00:32:01.200 --> 00:32:02.559 telling you to fuck off years later. 609 00:32:02.799 --> 00:32:05.240 I think that's the only that does still happen. I 610 00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:08.920 get muck you Gus. Yeah, no, I know, I asked 611 00:32:08.920 --> 00:32:09.119 for this. 612 00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:10.359 That's a wheel takes. 613 00:32:10.759 --> 00:32:13.039 I mean technically I asked for Yeah, you did ask 614 00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:15.039 for this, and I still get. If you want to 615 00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:15.759 do you want to. 616 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:17.519 Get that, you have to go and listen to Gus 617 00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:18.680 and Ali's other podcast. 618 00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:22.799 This was before I thought like anybody would listen to us. Yes, 619 00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:25.440 and it's still funny to me. 620 00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:31.000 M hm, yes, it's even it's even funnier now. 621 00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:33.680 So yeah, sure, the longer it gets, the funnier. 622 00:32:33.880 --> 00:32:35.039 It's been like five years. 623 00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:40.200 Yeah, it's been like five years, six six years anyway. 624 00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:42.680 Oh I got a message fuck you? Yeah right, yeah. 625 00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:56.240 So there was that. More, there was the okay, like 626 00:32:56.359 --> 00:32:59.480 this is what okay that creature do you think that 627 00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:00.319 was a shadow. 628 00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:02.960 Or well it was adjacent to the shadows. I mean, 629 00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:05.759 I am assuming that the shadows. 630 00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:06.480 Friend of the shadows. 631 00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:09.960 It seems so. Perhaps the creepy shadow demon goblin Genie 632 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:13.480 Man himself is not one of the shadows, because there 633 00:33:13.519 --> 00:33:19.000 are unless they're shape shifters, because we have those sketchy 634 00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:24.400 fucking Starship Trooper monsters that look more yeah the thing. 635 00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:27.079 But I don't know, man, Maybe there's just like a 636 00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:30.119 whole Maybe it's like Chaos from Warhammer, and there's just 637 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:36.519 like a whole fucking subset of different, divergent, creepy ass 638 00:33:36.640 --> 00:33:41.759 dudes in another dimension, primarily who congregate on Zaha Doom. 639 00:33:42.160 --> 00:33:45.920 Who like so quickly the second lights changed quote, I 640 00:33:46.039 --> 00:33:47.440 was like, well, how could it not be? 641 00:33:47.880 --> 00:33:50.440 I mean, come on, look, look he looks like the 642 00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:54.000 fucking Crystalid monsters. Where else is

he gonna go? We've 643 00:33:54.000 --> 00:33:56.359 already talked about the Rim, We've talked about Zaha Doom. 644 00:33:56.640 --> 00:33:59.160 I'm sticking by my theory that Sheridan's wife went to 645 00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:02.960 Zaha Doom, and there's no evidence for it right now, Yes, 646 00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:03.920 okay o. 647 00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:08.559 Li brain in my brain was like what you s. 648 00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:11.159 Yeah, I forgot. 649 00:34:11.199 --> 00:34:13.159 There was a couple of episodes ago. I feel. 650 00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:17.880 Yeah, I know she Yeah, okay, I went to the rim. 651 00:34:18.199 --> 00:34:19.199 Maybe she's still alive. 652 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:21.840 Maybe she's like, oh that would be terrible. Well here's 653 00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:27.639 the thing, though, Garibaldi's X still has to matter because 654 00:34:27.679 --> 00:34:29.199 we cast that character. 655 00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:31.559 Up. 656 00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:35.480 I forget where you're like, okay, yes, what's your name? 657 00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:38.079 What's your name? Yeah? You remembered it right off the 658 00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:40.559 fucking cuff. That's how I know she matters. I tricked you. 659 00:34:42.639 --> 00:34:45.360 I don't I remember everything on this show. But it's 660 00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:47.760 like the wheel of time after like Book six where 661 00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:48.960 I don't remember. 662 00:34:48.760 --> 00:34:54.679 When clamor what's the name of the and a cup 663 00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:55.039 of sleep? 664 00:34:58.039 --> 00:34:58.159 Oh? 665 00:34:58.400 --> 00:34:58.599 Fuck? 666 00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:04.400 Say though, like break down the tower to like. 667 00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:12.079 My lad my love, this is why we are wet. 668 00:35:12.199 --> 00:35:14.960 Scene is so sad, but this is why we are wet, 669 00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:19.119 my love. He's brilliant. 670 00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:24.159 Who throws himself at a woman holding side in the 671 00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:25.440 chapter with the ch and. 672 00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:31.239 Remember their names because Release the Time has over two 673 00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:33.039 thousand name characters. 674 00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:34.679 You remembers. 675 00:35:38.280 --> 00:35:45.400 Maybe and like a hundred it's somebody's Asham's bonded to. 676 00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:47.840 My love? 677 00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:54.199 The Jenny stopping stop it, we have food doesn't know. 678 00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:57.320 His name. I knew that one. 679 00:35:57.880 --> 00:35:58.679 I knew that one. 680 00:35:59.079 --> 00:36:01.920 I knew I will tell you remember his name, all right, 681 00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:03.880 I'm saying, sorry, that. 682 00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:06.639 Doesn't read Wheel of Time is just confused by this 683 00:36:06.719 --> 00:36:09.559 whole tagent that just happened. I knew all of the scenes. 684 00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:12.719 I just forget. There's over like there's twenty five hundred 685 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:14.760 named characters in the Wheel of Time. The fact that 686 00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:16.800 you remember that closed my mind. 687 00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:20.360 But you remembered, given. 688 00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:27.960 Jenny's given us a new lease on life. 689 00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:31.719 I remember because the reason I remember because you made 690 00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:32.920 that joke last time she was on. 691 00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:40.760 Oh, I did that joke last time. I didn't even 692 00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:43.920 remember making that joke before. I didn't realize that was 693 00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:44.400 a repeat. 694 00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:50.360 But yeah, it's fine, it's fine anyway. Yes, I also 695 00:36:50.519 --> 00:36:52.679 remember Sheridan's wife's name. 696 00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:55.000 I just because you are alive. 697 00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:57.880 No, I forgot you'd already remember. 698 00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:04.519 I remember, is it daniel Danielle? 699 00:37:06.199 --> 00:37:09.000 Yeah, I just I forgot that that episode already aired. 700 00:37:09.079 --> 00:37:13.119 The Oh of course it did. His sister sister. 701 00:37:14.719 --> 00:37:16.719 Elizabeth, right, Lizzie. 702 00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:20.079 Gus lighting has now lit the Gus. 703 00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:23.360 Gus is doing Gus lighting on the person who should. 704 00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:27.119 Be doing this, trying to reverse gus life it's cool 705 00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:30.320 and unusual and I shouldn't be doing it, but I'm 706 00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:30.760 doing it. 707 00:37:30.880 --> 00:37:31.320 I love it. 708 00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:36.119 Okay, your powers. 709 00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:36.639 For good for once? 710 00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:40.440 But then again, mary Anne the journalist, So I. 711 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:44.440 Did remember Marianne the journalist. Yes, tell you a little, 712 00:37:46.280 --> 00:37:48.719 tell you a bit a behind the scenes though about 713 00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:52.559 the pilot. I had to look up Takeshima's name before 714 00:37:52.559 --> 00:37:55.079 it started because I was so afraid that I my 715 00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:58.639 not knowing her name would reveal that she doesn't come back. 716 00:37:59.199 --> 00:37:59.920 I mean that's fair. 717 00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:02.719 I need to just say her name really confidently, like, yes, 718 00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:04.519 I absolutely know who Takeshima is. 719 00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:08.400 But you know, but you didn't have to look up Lida. 720 00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:13.559 No, Lida, Lida is like it's not as hard to 721 00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:18.760 remember as so you've said Lida like a thousand times. 722 00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:21.599 No, and I have more pilot. 723 00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:27.239 That's even more telling. She did not have to look 724 00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:27.719 up Lise.

725 00:38:29.199 --> 00:38:31.519 I did not have to look up Lea. But I 726 00:38:31.559 --> 00:38:33.400 did remember Marianne's name right off the bat. 727 00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:36.079 That was what what's clown Baby's actual name? 728 00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:39.400 I don't even know who clown baby is? 729 00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:42.360 Remember what joke that was? Who's clown baby? 730 00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:43.000 From eyes? 731 00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:47.960 From Ah? 732 00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:54.519 It's it's a really cool name. Stop. I'm not good 733 00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:59.480 at names. Lisa is one syllable. 734 00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:02.119 His Benz? 735 00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:04.039 What is? 736 00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:09.320 What is Garrebbaldi's like friends dead friend's daughter's name? 737 00:39:11.119 --> 00:39:11.280 Oh? 738 00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:13.840 I don't even know what you're talking about. 739 00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:17.679 Garibaldi has a daughter. 740 00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:23.400 I'm sorry. He died and his daughter worked for the president. 741 00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:32.519 I don't remember her name. I'm gonna tell you that 742 00:39:32.679 --> 00:39:40.199 I don't know most of my co workers' names. It 743 00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:41.519 doesn't mean anything. 744 00:39:43.920 --> 00:39:46.400 I'm less concerned you're not remembering names, and I'm more 745 00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:48.239 concerned you're remembering names. 746 00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:52.719 One syllable, I'm sure. 747 00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:56.360 Yeah, Leana, three syllables, right out the dome. It's done. 748 00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:58.920 I'm pretty sure that the daughter's name is Catherine. 749 00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:00.480 And I don't know why Leanna. 750 00:40:01.159 --> 00:40:01.880 It was Leanna? 751 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:06.159 Okay, the fantasy name. You don't remember the fantasy name, 752 00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:07.079 but you remember Lese. 753 00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:17.440 None of this? Sorry so bad, we'll stop. 754 00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:20.719 Now. Focused directly on me is a very intense. 755 00:40:20.840 --> 00:40:22.880 Jen's gonna watch this and be like, what the fuck 756 00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:26.000 are they doing? Dustin Allie need to shut up? All right? 757 00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:30.960 Yeah, that's sound like jud That sound like I mean 758 00:40:31.000 --> 00:40:33.079 if you should. 759 00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:36.519 Watch yeah, because she wants to be able to discuss right. 760 00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:41.239 Great, Council that will have later Jen, do you remember Lese. 761 00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:49.280 God, you guys are spent half of Great Councils talking 762 00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:51.639 about Lise on how to do some damage girl on 763 00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:52.920 the lease issue now. 764 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:55.880 But look, this episode is actually weirdly load bearing because 765 00:40:55.880 --> 00:40:58.079 there's shadow

agents out all over the place and some 766 00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:00.480 of them were on that moon and again they tried 767 00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:04.039 to eat Barkley's organs and didn't organs and stuff. 768 00:41:04.360 --> 00:41:06.679 It was very creepy, like there's certain things that they 769 00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:10.800 did with the perspective and angles. Yeah, there was scene 770 00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:13.280 that was almost a fish fish islands and I was like, 771 00:41:13.360 --> 00:41:16.239 that was weird, Like it was that was it had 772 00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:19.599 a good tone for a couple of months idline that 773 00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:20.320 were really good. 774 00:41:20.400 --> 00:41:23.320 Yeah, this is one of those episodes where again if 775 00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:26.679 I can just cover all the Doctor Steve stuff, if 776 00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:29.360 I can just ignore all of that ship, this episode's great. 777 00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:32.199 Yeah, just put some just put some goggles. 778 00:41:32.559 --> 00:41:34.920 All I gotta do is pretend Doctor Steve wasn't in 779 00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:36.280 the episode and it's great. 780 00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:37.119 Yeah. 781 00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:41.920 Really it was just really to say yes, but yes, 782 00:41:42.599 --> 00:41:44.480 but I I didn't notice it. Like today, when I 783 00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:47.639 saw the name on the writers, I was like, yeah, no, 784 00:41:47.800 --> 00:41:50.199 it's not it's not him as he's doing this to him. 785 00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:53.119 It's uh, I forget he wrote that. I just kind 786 00:41:53.159 --> 00:41:53.559 of feel like. 787 00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:55.360 I'm sitting there half the time going on. 788 00:41:55.480 --> 00:41:58.440 It was Lease, I'm sorry, it was least least was 789 00:41:58.480 --> 00:41:59.639 the writer of Believers. 790 00:42:00.360 --> 00:42:03.119 Yeah, Lias wrote every episode, Lise. 791 00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:04.440 You heard her here first. 792 00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:07.920 The J and j MS is actually just an l 793 00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:09.000 that's been reversed. 794 00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:14.079 Right, Yeah, that's it. Yeah, you've uncovered like the secret. 795 00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:18.639 Hell it's Michaelski. 796 00:42:22.440 --> 00:42:23.159 Oh my god. 797 00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:26.719 Wow? 798 00:42:29.119 --> 00:42:32.480 Do do you have any other thoughts on this episode? 799 00:42:32.559 --> 00:42:32.880 Before? 800 00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:36.400 I would like a clip of our reaction to doctor 801 00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:41.119 Steve bringing that woman into his room a personal Instagram, 802 00:42:41.719 --> 00:42:44.840 And I would also like just the entire least moment, the. 803 00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:48.880 Entirely thing would be. Would would fund well done? 804 00:42:48.960 --> 00:42:49.400 My love? 805 00:42:49.800 --> 00:42:52.599 Yeah, this is why I married him. 806 00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:59.039 He is a clever boy, William clever, clever gaslight. 807 00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:01.239 I'm not a fan a little girk in this one, 808 00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:09.559 ye cleckle Oh my god. 809 00:43:11.199 --> 00:43:15.760 Okay, well then I guess we will end this for now. 810 00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:19.800 I guess, so good bye bye. 811 00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:25.519 Where's my nose staring? 812 00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:28.039 Ah? 813 00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:32.159 My friends, you have reached the most dangerous part of 814 00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:32.800 our journey. 815 00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:35.199 The Gray Council. 816 00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:42.639 Here we speak of things that must not be spoken, secrets, betrayals, spoilers. 817 00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:47.840 If you are not ready, turned back now that if 818 00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:55.519 you dare to proceed, I promise you it will benificent. 819 00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:06.639 Mister Garibaldi, Oh my gosh, okay remembered he remembered Lisa's name. 820 00:44:09.320 --> 00:44:14.079 She's not even important. She just comes back. It's so. 821 00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:19.360 So funny, so funny. I it's so funny. It's so funny. 822 00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:23.239 They cornered me, They cornered me, and it's just like, 823 00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:28.320 I'm sorry, I need to either lie, I guess about 824 00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:31.000 what I remember, I don't know. I need you there. 825 00:44:31.199 --> 00:44:33.679 That's what I discovered so badly while it was happening. 826 00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:35.800 It was just like I need Jen, I need Gen 827 00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.679 so bad because all their attention was focused on me. 828 00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:42.360 So if you're if you're if you're wondering now why 829 00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:44.599 suddenly I'm here in the sokolo as I'm showing up 830 00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:46.760 at the end of the after the after I mean, 831 00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:48.679 I'm showing up in the Great Council after the KO. 832 00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:51.880 I listened back to THEO because I wanted to know 833 00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:55.119 what gustinally thought about the episode Before I talked. I 834 00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:57.840 watched it, and I actually watch their reactions watching it, 835 00:44:57.920 --> 00:45:02.159 which was really fun while I was watching, But I 836 00:45:02.440 --> 00:45:04.960 felt so bad as I was listening because I was like, 837 00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:08.599 I felt like they had you like a badger trapping dad. 838 00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:13.400 He funny did this is just what the fuck is 839 00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:18.000 going on? It's like, I'm I'm glad that the thing 840 00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:20.519 that they I'm gonna be sad for them when it 841 00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:24.559 when Lisa does return, because I'm sorry, the actress is fine, 842 00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:29.199 Lisa's she's so boring. She's so boring. She'd like the 843 00:45:29.400

--> 00:45:32.239 only active choice I think she ever makes in the 844 00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:35.400 show she already made in a flashback, and that's when 845 00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:38.719 she dumps Garibaldi. Everything else is just like I accidentally 846 00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:41.440 got caught in across fire. Oh the guy i'm married 847 00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:44.159 set me on this trip. Oh I got caught. Oh 848 00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:46.960 my husband died and now I have a billion dollars 849 00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:48.480 and my lady brain can't handle it. 850 00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:52.559 Fix it for me, Like, it's just make a fucking choice, lady, 851 00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:56.039 Like do something just poking or the entire time, do 852 00:45:56.400 --> 00:46:00.199 something interesting, justify get a baldy's obsessions with. 853 00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:08.599 You, please, So anyway, that's that's a whole whatever. When 854 00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:10.639 she comes back, They're gonna be like ha ha, she's important, 855 00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:16.199 and I'm gonna be like, no, back, Yeah, that's all 856 00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:17.039 she is. She's back. 857 00:46:19.719 --> 00:46:20.519 They're so funny. 858 00:46:20.639 --> 00:46:21.840 I was. 859 00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:24.000 I was just like I was really, I was kind 860 00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:26.639 of like getting, I was getting. I was sweating for you. 861 00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:28.239 I was like listening. 862 00:46:28.280 --> 00:46:32.000 I was like, so they're not what they weren't being 863 00:46:32.079 --> 00:46:34.480 made at all, but that it was just like I 864 00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:37.920 was sweating and then quizzing you on every other random 865 00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:40.000 person that like isn't going to come back, so that 866 00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:42.840 they could prove that that was the reason that you 867 00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:43.360 remembered it. 868 00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:46.840 Yeah, but it's also like a one syllable name. 869 00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:51.719 It's not Audi ben Zane like me exactly. There are 870 00:46:52.159 --> 00:46:53.960 that are a lot of hard even Zathrass is. 871 00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:57.800 A lot of hurder, remember, yes, but I do not 872 00:46:57.920 --> 00:46:58.719 forget zach Ross. 873 00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:01.960 Of course we can ever, Yeah, no, of course not. 874 00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:06.119 That's just unforgettable, all right. So well, and also like 875 00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:08.320 what you know, you guys we're all talking about like 876 00:47:08.840 --> 00:47:12.159 in some ways like not a waste of him. But 877 00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:15.679 I mean so, I h I think I think you 878 00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:17.960 saw this I had in our in our group chat 879 00:47:18.079 --> 00:47:21.559 beforehand when I realized this was the Dwight Schultz episode. 880 00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:27.519 I was like, I'm so sad, and of course I 881 00:47:27.800 -->

00:47:32.079 was like because a team. I just I love Dwight. 882 00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:34.239 I love him, and I love him in that generation. 883 00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:36.159 I love him and he shows up in Voyager. I 884 00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:38.800 love him in everything any bit part he's ever done, 885 00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:43.000 and he's done a ton of voiceover or both animation 886 00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:46.440 and video games, and I've just always been such a 887 00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:49.840 fan of his. Uh. But so I was really sad 888 00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:53.119 to be missing him. But he was phenomenal, so good 889 00:47:53.920 --> 00:47:56.159 and so good and I love love that they were that. 890 00:47:56.960 --> 00:47:59.679 I pointed it out in this globe. I'm sure you heard, 891 00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:01.599 but like if there's a if you yeah, if you 892 00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:04.320 watch me action, you saw, like mon he gives that 893 00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:09.199 long monologue. We like nobody said a word like yeah, 894 00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:11.440 all those people who are so mad at us for 895 00:48:11.599 --> 00:48:15.760 talking so much, No, we were like like all of 896 00:48:15.880 --> 00:48:18.840 us just excited on here's what's funny. 897 00:48:18.840 --> 00:48:21.079 Because I so I was watching you guys intermittently, like 898 00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:22.599 I was mostly watching you guys when it was like 899 00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:25.239 a big reaction time. But I was also like I 900 00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:28.360 was watching the episode while I was cooking slash, you know, 901 00:48:28.679 --> 00:48:32.599 because I'm multitasker, and I'm never have five minutes. So 902 00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:35.239 I was watching what I was doing things, and I 903 00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:38.199 kept like I I was cooking, and then I would 904 00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:40.119 so I had my iPad next to me while I 905 00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:42.400 was cooking, and then I needed something and I'd reach 906 00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:44.000 over there to get something, and then I like shit, 907 00:48:44.320 --> 00:48:46.920 and I rewint, you know, like fifteen back, ten seconds back, 908 00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:49.960 ten seconds back, okay, started again. Oh, I need to 909 00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:51.000 think because something's burning. 910 00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:51.760 Shit. 911 00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:55.159 And so I like rewatched that monologue like six times 912 00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:57.519 on my own because I was like, I can't I 913 00:48:57.559 --> 00:48:58.079 can't miss a. 914 00:48:58.119 --> 00:48:59.400 Second of it. It's so good. 915 00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:01.760 It's go back to the beginning of it, and rewatch it. 916 00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:01.960 It was. 917 00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:05.159 It's so good. It's so good, it's so fantastic. It's 918 00:49:05.199 --> 00:49:07.360 really cool. In fact, part of it I just listened 919 00:49:07.360 -->

00:49:09.000 to because I had gotten I'd like ahead in my 920 00:49:09.039 --> 00:49:11.440 ear and I walked away and I was like, God, 921 00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:15.119 this is like listening to like you know, great radio 922 00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:18.800 or like you know, Oh, it's just so yeah, it's really. 923 00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:21.960 Good, and it's honestly, in my opinion, it's the best 924 00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:25.800 part of the episode. Like that, not even like they 925 00:49:25.880 --> 00:49:28.239 hit that plot. That plot is obviously the better part 926 00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:30.000 of the episode than the Yeah. 927 00:49:31.320 --> 00:49:31.400 But. 928 00:49:32.960 --> 00:49:37.480 Like even of that plot, that monologue is stellar. The 929 00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:39.199 rest of the like this is actually one of the 930 00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:42.320 least popular, like it, it's generally bought like the bottom 931 00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:45.400 of the list, like down with TKO, down with Infection 932 00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:49.079 for most people, that monologue elevates it to a point 933 00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:51.920 where I don't hate it. I don't hate the episode because. 934 00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:55.719 It's interesting, because I it's interesting. You would say that 935 00:49:55.800 --> 00:49:58.920 because I mean, look, you guys already talked all about 936 00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:01.760 doctor Franklin. I can get it of it all. But 937 00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:04.079 oh my god, I mean I had the same thing, 938 00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:06.199 and I literally I was like, I can't wait to 939 00:50:06.239 --> 00:50:08.559 see what Guess and Ali are doing at this exact moment, 940 00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:11.880 and I like caught up to that moment watching the 941 00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:15.199 reaction because I was just like and then I even 942 00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:20.199 played it for David. Yes, he was like what, I'm like, 943 00:50:21.719 --> 00:50:26.760 so funny. But despite that, like I actually thought so, 944 00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:28.480 I just was like, Okay, great, I'm gonna just like 945 00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:29.800 put all of that in a little in a little 946 00:50:29.800 --> 00:50:33.480 pocket and push it away because even the storyline of 947 00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:35.880 I mean, you know, look what, it's a different version 948 00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:39.039 of Khan, Like you know, they find the ship, somebody's 949 00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:41.679 still on it and crygenic they unfreeze them. Everybody else 950 00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:43.360 is dead, Like you know, we haven't it's not we 951 00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:46.360 haven't seen that storyline before. But I thought it was 952 00:50:46.400 --> 00:50:49.079 so well done. And I thought it was even though 953 00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:51.599 it's the storyline we know and we've seen it was 954 00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:55.039 I thought it was fresh and fun and interesting, and 955

00:50:55.239 --> 00:50:59.360 because everything plays into the main story as well. And 956 00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:02.599 then the whole sideline of like of of the stuff 957 00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:04.400 with d White Schultzen, like what does it mean and 958 00:51:05.480 --> 00:51:09.400 how is this affecting the future and Sheridan like really 959 00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:11.280 being in this place of like you know, telling the 960 00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:13.000 one guy, I'll do whatever I can to protect my 961 00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:16.800 protect people on this station. Yeah, yeah, make a choice 962 00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:20.039 about how this goes down. And I just thought, like 963 00:51:20.199 --> 00:51:23.079 I thought the character work. The one character I felt 964 00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:24.840 like that. I felt like I felt the Tasha Yar 965 00:51:24.920 --> 00:51:28.719 of it was Avanava. I just felt like Avanava didn't. 966 00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:31.400 Get it out. Yeah. Yeah, she's been there. 967 00:51:31.400 --> 00:51:33.079 I put on the thumbnails for the last several weeks 968 00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:35.639 because she's been like pretty pretty, that's fine, she can 969 00:51:35.679 --> 00:51:38.400 take a breather, It's it's good. Yeah, But I just 970 00:51:38.440 --> 00:51:40.519 thought it was I thought it was an excellent episode, 971 00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:43.039 despite the creepy doctors. I thought it was so good. 972 00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:45.199 I'm surprised to hear that it's at the bottom of 973 00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:46.199 the barrel for most people. 974 00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:49.760 I have a feeling the creepy doctor takes over, which 975 00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:52.199 I don't know. Did you look at the look Nobody 976 00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:54.239 mentions it in the lookers Guide, So in the nineties, 977 00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:57.679 nobody watched this episode and like went on the boards 978 00:51:57.719 --> 00:52:03.639 and was like, excuse me, like no patient doctor appropriate, 979 00:52:04.119 --> 00:52:08.000 Like yeah, which is wild. So I have a feeling 980 00:52:08.159 --> 00:52:12.840 that definitely overshadows a lot of the rest of the episode, 981 00:52:14.159 --> 00:52:18.199 the rest of I think for me, because obviously, when 982 00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:20.800 I'm watching the show, like even the last week's episode, 983 00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:23.880 I don't know that I ever noticed that the first 984 00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:27.320 half of the episode nothing happens because I know the story, 985 00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:31.239 so I'm filling it in in my head, like I'm like, oh, 986 00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:33.079 I know he's a mentor, I know what's coming. I know, 987 00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:36.360 like and so the information doesn't feel like it's missing. 988 00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:42.559 So this episode I'm only paying attention to, Oh, yeah, 989 00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:44.840 there's a thing going to Zahadum and

then there's a 990 00:52:44.920 --> 00:52:47.119 monologue by Dwight Schultz, like that's the only thing in 991 00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:48.159 this episode that matters. 992 00:52:57.079 --> 00:52:58.960 And in fact, it's interesting because you say that about 993 00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:01.320 the Lurkers Guide now, because I wrote so one of 994 00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:02.719 the things I wrote done about night. I just I 995 00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:08.320 wrote nineties underline underline, underline underline. What does that mean? 996 00:53:08.480 --> 00:53:09.400 Something about lighting? 997 00:53:09.679 --> 00:53:09.920 Shit? 998 00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:11.920 Moonlighting? Oh, moonlighting? 999 00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:14.880 Moon light? Yeah? Yes, yeah. 1000 00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:17.280 I was like, why did I write moon I wrote 1001 00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:20.119 it in two separate words, and that contgre. I was like, okay, nineties, 1002 00:53:20.639 --> 00:53:23.679 So you're two things about the Lurkers Guide and about 1003 00:53:23.719 --> 00:53:26.480 nobody mentioning it at the time. So one was yep, 1004 00:53:26.599 --> 00:53:29.400 we were all just indoctrinated with it. We were indoctrinated 1005 00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:32.760 with inappropriate relationships, including moonlighting, like which I'll get to 1006 00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:34.719 the chemistry thing in a second, but we were all 1007 00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:38.880 used to just like men being smarmy and women being 1008 00:53:38.960 --> 00:53:41.320 there for it and being okay with it because that 1009 00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:43.119 was what that was the way it was written. You 1010 00:53:43.159 --> 00:53:44.599 were written to be okay with it. We were all 1011 00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:46.960 used to it. But also most of the people on 1012 00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:49.840 the Lurkers God, I'm going to guess eighty five percent 1013 00:53:49.880 --> 00:53:50.039 of the. 1014 00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:53.119 More men I would get, I would guess higher at that. 1015 00:53:53.960 --> 00:53:56.280 You're probably right, You're actually probably bad time at that 1016 00:53:56.440 --> 00:53:58.760 time time. Yeah. 1017 00:53:59.440 --> 00:54:01.760 Yeah, like people who were in chat rooms and people 1018 00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:06.519 who were watching this kind of television tended to lean heavily, 1019 00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:11.320 heavily towards men, So you know, it might not be that. 1020 00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:13.840 I'm not suggesting that all of those men were unenlightened. 1021 00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:17.000 I'm just suggesting that they don't. 1022 00:54:17.079 --> 00:54:20.280 Question things when they're they're they're just always presented to 1023 00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:23.239 you as the norm. You just you don't question it. 1024 00:54:23.719 --> 00:54:26.840 Yeah, it's and it's and it's I'm so glad we don't. 1025 00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:28.760 I'm so glad that we question it now. And I'm 1026 00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:30.719 so glad. I'm so glad that we questioned it so 1027 00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:33.320 hard that you know, even you and I, who watched 1028 00:54:33.360 --> 00:54:35.840 it at the time and were indoctrinated in that, can 1029 00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:37.719 watch it with Ali and Gus and basically have the 1030 00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:40.239 same reaction as them, which is bad. 1031 00:54:41.239 --> 00:54:45.119 Yeah. Yeah, I probably I well, no, I don't know 1032 00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:47.119 that I saw this one in first one. I probably 1033 00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:49.719 saw this one when watching it on the DVDs, so 1034 00:54:49.840 --> 00:54:53.159 I don't know that I I don't know. I don't 1035 00:54:53.159 --> 00:54:54.719 remember how I reacted to it. It's not one that 1036 00:54:54.840 --> 00:54:58.760 actually left an impression other than and you know, that's 1037 00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:01.559 the impression that left just like, oh, doctor no. 1038 00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:04.800 One of the things I thought it was interesting you 1039 00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:06.280 guys brought up, and then we'll get off of doctor 1040 00:55:06.320 --> 00:55:08.000 Steve because it's not that interesting. But one of the 1041 00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:09.639 things I thought you brought that it was interesting that 1042 00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:12.199 Ellian Gus brought up and this was your example for 1043 00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:14.760 it was if we had seen that there was all 1044 00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:17.840 of this really intense chemistry between them, we might have 1045 00:55:17.920 --> 00:55:20.679 even been a little more forgiving of like I'm a doctor, 1046 00:55:20.760 --> 00:55:24.480 I can't yeah, you know, but there's really this strong attraction. 1047 00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:27.880 But it did feel and I'm glad you guys brought 1048 00:55:27.920 --> 00:55:30.519 it up. I had the exact same immediate reaction with 1049 00:55:30.800 --> 00:55:36.159 was oh, to exactly same skin tone colored black people 1050 00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:38.800 put together on the scene. They're both pretty black people. 1051 00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:44.880 Make sure they get together going to kid like yeah, 1052 00:55:45.719 --> 00:55:49.320 it was just like it was so uncomfortable and recognizing 1053 00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:51.519 that nineties trope and that nineties behavior. 1054 00:55:52.320 --> 00:55:55.360 I will say though for the show, like on the 1055 00:55:55.440 --> 00:55:58.000 show's I don't know what I'm what we're phrase, I'm 1056 00:55:58.039 --> 00:56:01.719 gonna use they break this trope late on, like yeah, yeah, 1057 00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:06.159 doctor Steve does kiss another beautiful, light skinned black woman, 1058 00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:08.960 but he also kisses a white lady, so you know, 1059 00:56:09.280 --> 00:56:11.800 I break in the trouble a little later, like, I mean, 1060 00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:15.960 come on the

kissing, except for like Sheridan with the Lenz. 1061 00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:18.599 I'm pretty sure. Yeah, I think he gets the most kisses. 1062 00:56:19.039 --> 00:56:21.079 I mean he is put there as the male eye candy. 1063 00:56:21.159 --> 00:56:25.559 Yeah here, and you know, and and it was you know, 1064 00:56:25.760 --> 00:56:29.000 and you're and this show is breaking so many molds 1065 00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:31.599 and really breaking boundaries and doing so many That's what. 1066 00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:33.920 I was the phrase I was looking for. I didn't 1067 00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:37.199 lay pipe, but I having trouble finding the phrase. 1068 00:56:40.440 --> 00:56:44.199 Okay, good, But if they had, if they had had 1069 00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:46.519 better chemistry, like there were just ways that they could 1070 00:56:46.559 --> 00:56:48.639 have made that less egregious. One was like, you know, 1071 00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:50.679 like you guys said, like if she had actually been, 1072 00:56:51.320 --> 00:56:53.119 you know, trying to lure him or something. 1073 00:56:53.320 --> 00:56:54.039 Yeah, myad. 1074 00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:57.320 But but you mentioned Moonlighting, and I wanted to just 1075 00:56:57.400 --> 00:56:59.840 say so, did I tell you that I just watched 1076 00:56:59.880 --> 00:57:01.360 the pilot, rewatched the pilot. 1077 00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:03.960 No, I have That is a show that I have 1078 00:57:04.079 --> 00:57:06.000 not seen since it was on the air. What I 1079 00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:09.320 do my memory of Moonlighting? I do not remember the premise. 1080 00:57:09.360 --> 00:57:12.920 I remember nothing except Sybil Shepherd and Bruce Willis and 1081 00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:16.400 fire like when they were like they had such chemistry, 1082 00:57:17.039 --> 00:57:19.360 they had such chemists. But that's literally all I remember 1083 00:57:19.440 --> 00:57:20.000 about the show. 1084 00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:22.559 And I feel like I ruined David's childhood because I 1085 00:57:22.599 --> 00:57:24.840 told him that. I don't think he didn't. He just 1086 00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:25.960 didn't know this. This is the kind of thing that 1087 00:57:26.039 --> 00:57:27.840 he like, even though he's in the industry, he doesn't 1088 00:57:27.880 --> 00:57:29.760 like pay attention to this stuff. I told him how 1089 00:57:29.840 --> 00:57:30.920 much they hated each other off. 1090 00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:33.199 Yeah, yeah, I need that too. 1091 00:57:33.960 --> 00:57:37.199 It was devastating. I mean, that was that was at 1092 00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:39.639 the time, that was tabloid fodder. But he wasn't read 1093 00:57:39.760 --> 00:57:41.920 tabloids at the time, and he was just devastated because 1094 00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:45.519 Maddie and Maddie and Dave David were his like favorite 1095 00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:48.760 couple of television, you know, growing up. And so we 1096 00:57:49.079 --> 00:57:52.079 I don't remember why what came up about it. Probably 1097 00:57:52.159 --> 00:57:54.039 something from our podcast that I was like complaining about 1098 00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:56.800 nineties television, and we were like, let's watch Moonlighting. So 1099 00:57:56.920 --> 00:58:00.400 we rewatched the pilot, which is a fascinating experience in 1100 00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:07.559 similar to the gathering. Clearly was shot back when in 1101 00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:09.320 the day when they did this shot and then they 1102 00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:11.159 probably aired it and they were like these five. Things 1103 00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:13.159 aren't working. We need to change this or beef this 1104 00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:15.119 up or whatever, because there's some scenes when you're like, 1105 00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:17.840 his haircut's different. They shot this four months later after 1106 00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:21.199 they got picked up and they fixed it. There's things 1107 00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:23.159 that are like that, and the set is different in 1108 00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:28.719 one place, and and but their chemistry from the first second, 1109 00:58:29.280 --> 00:58:35.079 first second on screen together is just edible, like big spoons. 1110 00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:40.079 It's so good. And yeah, like and then I told 1111 00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:42.480 you I watched the beginning of the pilot of Scarecrow 1112 00:58:42.480 --> 00:58:42.960 Missus King. 1113 00:58:43.400 --> 00:58:48.679 Yes, yes, yeah, not straight the. 1114 00:58:49.079 --> 00:58:50.639 Ming person on the planet. He's kind of a dick 1115 00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:51.480 in the first episode. 1116 00:58:51.599 --> 00:58:56.559 And and I think I think Scarecrow Missus King is 1117 00:58:56.639 --> 00:58:59.880 earlier too, so you're dealing with the like again, I 1118 00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:04.400 eighties show, eighties dramas. When I've tried to rewatch them, 1119 00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:08.159 it's not even that, oh this is politically they don't 1120 00:59:08.440 --> 00:59:12.159 make sense, like I don't end. 1121 00:59:12.559 --> 00:59:14.679 Yeah, there's things in Moonlighting too, in the Moonlighting pilot 1122 00:59:14.719 --> 00:59:17.039 that I was like, this show was smarter and stronger 1123 00:59:17.159 --> 00:59:20.360 as it went, you know, like this don't make sense. 1124 00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:22.039 I was like, in fact, I said to David, I 1125 00:59:22.199 --> 00:59:26.639 was like, they are they were writing on the chemistry 1126 00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:30.280 between and Bruce Willis, like that was how that show 1127 00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:33.000 got picked up because if I had just watched that pilot, like, 1128 00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:35.800 this isn't making sense. I'm not I'm not buying the show, 1129 00:59:37.000 --> 00:59:40.199 but it was a good call because their's chemistry was amazing. Yeah. Yeah, 1130 00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:42.440 so I just want to and I love it.

You're 1131 00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:45.079 like moonlighting And I was like, I'm sorry, I'm not there, 1132 00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:47.199 Jenny to tell you, because I back. 1133 00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:53.000 You up definitely obviously I've never seen it, like, yeah, yeah, 1134 00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:55.880 the most famous chemistry that I know. 1135 00:59:56.280 --> 00:59:58.960 Like, it's just not not to mention a teen, I'm 1136 00:59:59.039 --> 01:00:02.199 just like, come on, I mean, Joyce Shelton. A Team 1137 01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:05.440 is just I actually recently just watched an A Team. 1138 01:00:05.559 --> 01:00:06.280 I'm clearly I'm. 1139 01:00:06.639 --> 01:00:09.679 Goodness retro, I am. 1140 01:00:11.320 --> 01:00:15.119 It's very fun. Okay. So but anyway, so I felt 1141 01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:16.440 bad that I left you. Oh but here's the thing 1142 01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:19.920 I was most upset and worried about when they started 1143 01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:22.840 corning you and like asking you about all the different characters, 1144 01:00:23.679 --> 01:00:25.440 and then you know, I love that You're like, look, 1145 01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:26.920 I had to look up Takashima's name. 1146 01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:33.280 Yeah, and then but not Lida, like Lida's Okay, again, though, 1147 01:00:33.400 --> 01:00:37.559 I just want to say, Takashima versus Leda, Addie ben 1148 01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:41.280 Zane versus Lise, these are not equal, Like, they're not. 1149 01:00:41.559 --> 01:00:46.119 Equal things I know, very similar and very easy to remember. 1150 01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:49.400 Yes, true, but they must know. 1151 01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:51.119 They must know that Tally is coming back, or that 1152 01:00:51.360 --> 01:00:52.519 Patricia Thomas coming back. 1153 01:00:53.159 --> 01:00:56.119 I think Gus might have a hint because I don't 1154 01:00:56.119 --> 01:00:59.320 know if you remember, during one of those early episodes, 1155 01:01:00.039 --> 01:01:02.719 we let him look up the actress playing Takashima, and 1156 01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:05.960 then when he started to look up Leader, we were like, no, yeah, 1157 01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:11.519 so might yeah, right, but I can't I have to 1158 01:01:11.599 --> 01:01:14.719 look into the order of the episodes because we could 1159 01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:19.280 trick him with. It's not that Leda comes back, it's 1160 01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:21.639 that the actress comes back playing somebody. Because the actress 1161 01:01:21.719 --> 01:01:23.880 who played the talk is going to show up this 1162 01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:30.079 season as a human, right, So yeah, you know that, 1163 01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:33.199 Like there's always that, Like that's they don't have to 1164 01:01:33.239 --> 01:01:36.239 show up as their character. They can show up as anything. 1165 01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:41.519 It's it's science fiction. It's it's all pretend, you know, 1166 01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:47.920 for specific Gray Council, like spool full spoiler stuff. Obviously, Yeah, 1167 01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:50.639 the thing is a shadow servant. It's it's not one 1168 01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:54.199 of the shadows. It's a shadow servant. That's pretty much it. 1169 01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:57.679 It's this is I think in this episode there's only 1170 01:01:57.800 --> 01:02:00.440 two things that he wanted to be like, so I 1171 01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:02.719 guess it could be like a guest writer, Like there's 1172 01:02:02.760 --> 01:02:04.719 only two points he wanted to have made, which is 1173 01:02:05.079 --> 01:02:08.280 there are shadow servants, it's not just the shadows, and 1174 01:02:08.960 --> 01:02:12.880 the other thing, which is so tiny. I caught it, 1175 01:02:14.039 --> 01:02:16.199 not this isn't the first rewatch I caught it. I 1176 01:02:16.280 --> 01:02:19.599 think I caught it the last time. But it's so tiny. 1177 01:02:20.159 --> 01:02:25.119 When Amos is preaching, there's a Ranger there watching him. 1178 01:02:25.880 --> 01:02:28.519 And this is before we know that the Rangers exist. 1179 01:02:29.039 --> 01:02:31.559 So when the Rangers eventually show up, I can't remember 1180 01:02:31.599 --> 01:02:34.000 what episode. It's a few episodes from now or whatever, 1181 01:02:34.159 --> 01:02:36.599 like there'll be a Jeff thing like and Jeff shows 1182 01:02:36.679 --> 01:02:38.480 up like in a video, like when you see the Rangers, 1183 01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:40.840 you see me and the Rangers are like, no, we've 1184 01:02:40.880 --> 01:02:43.440 been here for a while. This is the first episode. 1185 01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:46.119 Hold on, let me make sure that maybe I'm just 1186 01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:52.159 looking and see if I missed a previous No. No, 1187 01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:55.360 it says this episode is the first appearance of the Rangers. Okay, 1188 01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:59.599 so I caught it. Yes, Sorry, one of the guys. Yeah, 1189 01:03:00.079 --> 01:03:03.239 but it's like if you would never catch that on 1190 01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:05.400 unless it's a rewatch, because you don't know what the 1191 01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:11.039 Rangers look like, and even like, oh shit, what just happened? 1192 01:03:11.079 --> 01:03:12.239 Yeah, you went away. 1193 01:03:12.679 --> 01:03:15.800 I have no idea where I was, so I blacked out, 1194 01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:20.400 literally blacked out, But so I don't know what part 1195 01:03:20.440 --> 01:03:23.519 of the sentence I stopped being visible on. But yes, 1196 01:03:25.039 --> 01:03:27.480 so you wouldn't know to look for the Rangers. But 1197 01:03:28.360 --> 01:03:31.119 even when you know to look for them, they're hard 1198 01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:33.760 to Like, it's just a guy by the bar and 1199 01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:39.679 the main focus is Barkley. Of course Amos shoots, yeah, 1200 01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:42.599 like up on the bar preaching, who's looking

at the 1201 01:03:42.639 --> 01:03:45.000 people looking at him? But there's a dude on the 1202 01:03:45.039 --> 01:03:47.159 side of the bar, just and he's in a Ranger outfit, 1203 01:03:47.639 --> 01:03:50.159 certainly not the woman wearing making dinner. 1204 01:03:50.199 --> 01:03:50.960 Was not looking. 1205 01:03:52.400 --> 01:03:54.800 And most people aren't and so like that's like, that's 1206 01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:58.480 a very cool detail that it only like, which I 1207 01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:01.599 find is very forward thinking for the nineties because that 1208 01:04:01.880 --> 01:04:03.960 detail is only important on a rewatch. 1209 01:04:04.400 --> 01:04:06.519 That's such a JMS thing though both it is only 1210 01:04:06.559 --> 01:04:08.639 important for a rewatch, but it's also part of him 1211 01:04:08.719 --> 01:04:11.519 and his level of verisimilitude of like, yeah, I know 1212 01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:13.280 that this is going to be in there, so even 1213 01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:17.639 if nobody else ever knows, it grounds the show and 1214 01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:23.119 gives it an authenticity and some reality that that he 1215 01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:28.119 needs that to be, which is just I'm in awe 1216 01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:30.159 of it. I love it. Yeah, I love it. 1217 01:04:30.639 --> 01:04:32.960 Yeah, I think that is very very cool. 1218 01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:35.400 The jump bands thing, Oh so sorry, you go ahead. 1219 01:04:35.480 --> 01:04:36.920 Yes, it was the jump Gates. Thank you. There was 1220 01:04:36.960 --> 01:04:38.239 one thing I wanted to talk to about was the 1221 01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:42.800 jump Gate because I don't I don't, okay, thank you, 1222 01:04:42.840 --> 01:04:44.920 because I don't know. I know how it happens, but 1223 01:04:45.039 --> 01:04:47.039 I don't know when the information is given, and I 1224 01:04:47.119 --> 01:04:48.159 don't know if it's a spoiler. 1225 01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:51.239 I can't remember did I still have it up or 1226 01:04:51.280 --> 01:04:52.840 did I get rid of it? There is okay, can 1227 01:04:52.920 --> 01:04:55.639 you still see me? Yes, okay, I'm reading off my screen. 1228 01:04:56.880 --> 01:05:00.440 So it does talk about it says it's unknown exactly 1229 01:05:00.519 --> 01:05:04.199 which race invented the technology because the Centauri found it. 1230 01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:06.480 We needed them in barr and that the Centauri found it. 1231 01:05:06.519 --> 01:05:08.840 They discovered it and it was you know, they were 1232 01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:13.000 not exploring it. And then it does say that it 1233 01:05:13.119 --> 01:05:16.000 says so what it says is that the ones that 1234 01:05:18.400 --> 01:05:20.440 where this sorry this about the Centauri is showing and 1235 01:05:20.480 --> 01:05:23.679 giving it to the Earth because you were you were 1236 01:05:23.719 --> 01:05:25.639 on the absolutely on the right thing about like your 1237 01:05:25.719 --> 01:05:30.880 theory of of that being you know, give it because 1238 01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:32.719 they kept saying like, no one's going to guess, kept saying, 1239 01:05:32.719 --> 01:05:34.519 no one's going to give that technology away, and I'm 1240 01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:38.199 like that. But the Centauri are also all about trade 1241 01:05:38.239 --> 01:05:41.960 and capitalism, well imperialism, but about like getting ship and 1242 01:05:42.039 --> 01:05:44.280 also having people bring them the ship that they want. 1243 01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:47.280 So it doesn't surprise me that they'd be like, use 1244 01:05:47.320 --> 01:05:50.920 our jump gates and bring us our we want, we 1245 01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:53.719 want it, and that they were like renting it. It 1246 01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:55.079 was like Amtrak trains. 1247 01:05:55.400 --> 01:05:59.239 Yes, not to mention it's not Centauri, as you mentioned, 1248 01:05:59.280 --> 01:06:00.920 because that's the thing I wasn't sure about whether I 1249 01:06:00.920 --> 01:06:03.440 should say because it's not I don't think it's ever. 1250 01:06:03.519 --> 01:06:05.360 I don't think it ever spoils anything. But I don't 1251 01:06:05.400 --> 01:06:08.119 remember when it's revealed in the show. It's just information. 1252 01:06:08.239 --> 01:06:11.840 I know it's not Centauri technology. So the fear that 1253 01:06:11.960 --> 01:06:14.360 the Centauri would have is if we don't give it 1254 01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:15.599 to you, somebody else is going to give it to you, 1255 01:06:15.639 --> 01:06:18.280 and then you'll like them better exactly right, Like if 1256 01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:20.480 you if you find another species and they're like, oh, 1257 01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:22.800 we've got jump gates, then you'll you'll be loyal to 1258 01:06:22.880 --> 01:06:23.800 them instead of to us. 1259 01:06:24.400 --> 01:06:28.360 So yes, that is, it says. It says like the 1260 01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:31.880 Centauri like they were like they said something like here 1261 01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:34.280 it is. It says the Centauri. We're giving them the 1262 01:06:34.440 --> 01:06:38.079 loan of the gates to in the beginning something like that, 1263 01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:40.360 like they were like, you could use our gates. It 1264 01:06:40.480 --> 01:06:43.039 wasn't that they gave them jumpgate technology. They were just like, 1265 01:06:43.119 --> 01:06:44.679 you can use it. But then after they went through 1266 01:06:44.679 --> 01:06:45.840 it a bunch of times, they were like, now we 1267 01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:47.880 know how to make them. Yeah, like we figured out 1268 01:06:47.920 --> 01:06:50.159 how to do it, so you know, you kind of 1269 01:06:50.159 --> 01:06:52.000 couldn't keep it completely. 1270 01:06:52.119 --> 01:06:54.199 You can't keep that under wraps, like it's like, yeah, 1271 01:06:54.639 --> 01:06:57.360 I'm gonna here's like introduced. Like it's like the Phoenicians 1272

01:06:57.559 --> 01:06:59.679 like traveling around being like, oh, we have this cool 1273 01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:01.599 way of eating records and everybody being like, oh, that's 1274 01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:03.920 so much better than what we're doing. Now we all 1275 01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:05.599 have written language. 1276 01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:08.400 Like you know exactly this is this is Earth having 1277 01:07:08.480 --> 01:07:11.639 no military or strategic value. The Centauri eagerly sold the 1278 01:07:11.679 --> 01:07:14.480 Earth Alliance time on their own jump gates to allow 1279 01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:17.559 trade with other worlds, so even they were even letting 1280 01:07:17.599 --> 01:07:20.320 Earth trade with other people. But yes, you can use 1281 01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:21.920 our jump gate to get there, which again is like 1282 01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:23.360 then if you trade with them, you're going to bring 1283 01:07:23.440 --> 01:07:25.280 us those things back and trade those things with us, 1284 01:07:25.360 --> 01:07:28.039 Like it's just you can't. It's like, yeah, it's like 1285 01:07:28.119 --> 01:07:29.599 having a boat and being like no one else kind 1286 01:07:29.599 --> 01:07:31.199 of boats exactly. 1287 01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:38.159 Yeah. Plus, like I said, I think it it it Actually, 1288 01:07:38.360 --> 01:07:41.239 I think we see it work for the Centauri in 1289 01:07:41.400 --> 01:07:45.239 the show where it's established a loyalty like during the 1290 01:07:45.400 --> 01:07:50.079 narn Centauri War, Earth sides with Centaur Centauri, right, and 1291 01:07:50.199 --> 01:07:52.960 that's not like you know, it's partially because oh we're 1292 01:07:53.039 --> 01:07:55.719 fascists there and perialist. Let's we fit together like a club. 1293 01:07:55.880 --> 01:07:58.719 But I think there's also a matter of no, you 1294 01:07:59.159 --> 01:08:01.400 hold this out. You helped us out, Like we have 1295 01:08:01.559 --> 01:08:04.960 a historic sense of like loyalty to you because you 1296 01:08:05.039 --> 01:08:08.800 gave us this. Like yeah, there's a reason that countries 1297 01:08:09.119 --> 01:08:11.719 in like in the real world do nice things for 1298 01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:15.280 other countries. And it's not just because you're nice, it's because, yeah, 1299 01:08:15.639 --> 01:08:16.039 we need you. 1300 01:08:17.479 --> 01:08:21.159 Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's all uh, it's all transactional 1301 01:08:21.479 --> 01:08:24.279 for very transactional. I think that there's the thing that 1302 01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:26.520 I thought also was interesting was that there's like I 1303 01:08:26.600 --> 01:08:29.600 don't when I was looking it up. That's what I 1304 01:08:29.640 --> 01:08:32.399 couldn't figure out was to answer, like where do we 1305 01:08:32.479 --> 01:08:33.680 find this out at. 1306 01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:35.760 That's why I wasn't sure what to say, because I 1307 01:08:35.880 --> 01:08:38.640 know this information, I just don't know when or how 1308 01:08:38.840 --> 01:08:39.279 I know it. 1309 01:08:40.079 --> 01:08:46.199 It says episode in oh third Space the movie oh God, 1310 01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:49.600 uh huh, and the other place where there's two places 1311 01:08:49.640 --> 01:08:52.720 where it says it where we get that information where 1312 01:08:52.720 --> 01:08:57.560 to go third spaces? Okay, it's super like okay, but 1313 01:08:57.600 --> 01:08:59.840 it's like also barely, I mean it's cannon but barely. 1314 01:09:00.239 --> 01:09:04.880 And then also in to Dream in the City of Sorrows. 1315 01:09:05.439 --> 01:09:06.560 Oh, that's the book that I read. 1316 01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:09.119 Yes, okay, so that's like where the mention of that 1317 01:09:09.159 --> 01:09:11.560 stuff is. Anyway, so I don't even know how much 1318 01:09:11.600 --> 01:09:13.039 of it's in the show. And then I was like, 1319 01:09:14.039 --> 01:09:17.960 because my thought would be jump gate, then you get 1320 01:09:17.960 --> 01:09:21.800 into the whole paradox of space time. But like, did 1321 01:09:21.840 --> 01:09:23.720 we teach ourselves how to use jump kates because we 1322 01:09:23.720 --> 01:09:26.920 already had jump Kates, like, is the historical creator of 1323 01:09:27.039 --> 01:09:28.920 jumpgates actually us that's using you. 1324 01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:32.119 Know what I mean? Like yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I 1325 01:09:32.319 --> 01:09:35.039 think I think third space must be where I know 1326 01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:37.359 it from then, because I just read the book recently 1327 01:09:37.439 --> 01:09:39.520 and that's just information that's been in my head for 1328 01:09:39.600 --> 01:09:44.359 a while that I think it somewhere it stated that whoever, like, 1329 01:09:44.479 --> 01:09:47.279 nobody knows. It's not even like the jump gates have 1330 01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:49.600 been around. It's not the Vorlons don't even know. They've 1331 01:09:49.640 --> 01:09:52.680 been around so long. So some ancient race made them 1332 01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:54.359 and just left a bunch of them and died out. 1333 01:09:55.000 --> 01:10:01.000 And I guess that's yeah, so I don't know who 1334 01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:03.359 made them and it's never stated, and I like kind 1335 01:10:03.399 --> 01:10:05.479 of like that as a cool mystery of just yeah, 1336 01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:08.680 me too, to have no idea, Me too, me too. 1337 01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:11.079 But then but then Gus glond Onto that as being 1338 01:10:11.319 --> 01:10:16.119 like relevant to you know, the shadows using hyperspace to 1339 01:10:16.960 --> 01:10:17.840 travel to. 1340 01:10:18.199 --> 01:10:21.600 Around, Yeah, I think they all use hyperspace. Everybody uses hyperspace. Yeah, 1341 01:10:21.840 --> 01:10:25.119 but yeah, yeah, I don't I don't think it spoils anything, 1342 01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:26.119 but I don't know. 1343 01:10:27.079 --> 01:10:28.960 Yeah,

I don't think saying I don't think say either. 1344 01:10:29.399 --> 01:10:30.960 That's what But that's what I was wavering on. 1345 01:10:31.039 --> 01:10:35.399 It's like, I don't know, right, right, So what else 1346 01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:36.920 is there? Right, John, I don't know. I don't think. 1347 01:10:36.960 --> 01:10:38.680 I think, Oh, oh, I know what I was gonna say. 1348 01:10:38.680 --> 01:10:41.000 You you were in JMS was talking about the effects 1349 01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:46.520 for the show and he said, EFX, not VFX because place. Yeah, 1350 01:10:47.000 --> 01:10:52.960 it used to be as effect says, sound effects. Yeah, 1351 01:10:54.319 --> 01:10:57.119 effects used to be special effects. Was sp effects was 1352 01:10:57.199 --> 01:10:59.279 meaning it like needed some kind of you know, but 1353 01:10:59.359 --> 01:11:01.399 we didn't call it. We didn't call it VFX. We 1354 01:11:01.439 --> 01:11:05.600 didn't call it visual visual effects because because effects were 1355 01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:08.039 just effects is sort of general because most of them 1356 01:11:08.279 --> 01:11:13.520 before this time we're done on camera and set like live. 1357 01:11:14.039 --> 01:11:17.039 There was nothing was post. There was no post prior 1358 01:11:17.159 --> 01:11:19.640 to this, or there was I mean, there wasn't this 1359 01:11:19.760 --> 01:11:21.960 kind of post, not like VFX posts. And so yeah, 1360 01:11:21.960 --> 01:11:23.359 we didn't even start calling it. I don't know when 1361 01:11:23.359 --> 01:11:25.000 they started calling it VFX. I mean I'm sure some 1362 01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:30.079 people did back then, but certainly, like you're running a writer, yeah, 1363 01:11:30.159 --> 01:11:32.039 and you're one of the most writer would just call 1364 01:11:32.079 --> 01:11:34.640 it like, you know, EFX, like you know, there's an 1365 01:11:34.680 --> 01:11:35.760 effect you. 1366 01:11:35.800 --> 01:11:38.880 Know, wow, yeah, which can be technics. 1367 01:11:39.479 --> 01:11:41.079 Yeah, It could be pyrotechnics. 1368 01:11:41.119 --> 01:11:46.439 It could be like plame on the bridge exactly exactly. 1369 01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:49.640 It could be a canon that makes something roll over, 1370 01:11:49.960 --> 01:11:54.560 you know, canons and stuff. But yeah, yeah, oh cool, yeah, 1371 01:11:55.439 --> 01:11:57.479 people us other things. But I just don't think VFX 1372 01:11:57.600 --> 01:11:58.199 was actually used. 1373 01:11:58.520 --> 01:12:01.159 Yeah yeah, because I mean this show was one of 1374 01:12:01.199 --> 01:12:03.399 the like the premiere show, what do you call it, 1375 01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:07.359 one of the first shows to use uh computer generated 1376 01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:10.560 graphics at all? So yeah, why would you need an 1377 01:12:10.560 --> 01:12:13.039 acronym for that? Like, you don't start needing acronyms or 1378 01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:15.560 abbreviations until things happen a lot. 1379 01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:19.119 Exactly, until you use it over and over again. 1380 01:12:19.439 --> 01:12:24.159 So yeah, I don't. I that's like this episode does 1381 01:12:24.279 --> 01:12:27.359 not have a huge amount of continuity stuff. I missed 1382 01:12:27.399 --> 01:12:28.640 you so much, China. 1383 01:12:30.399 --> 01:12:32.159 I was like, I could, I could, I could do 1384 01:12:32.319 --> 01:12:34.119 I could, Like, how can I distract them? I can't 1385 01:12:34.159 --> 01:12:35.680 distract them? They did this without me. It was a 1386 01:12:35.720 --> 01:12:39.359 couple of days ago. No, I know they needed to 1387 01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:40.640 get thrown off the side. 1388 01:12:42.600 --> 01:12:50.640 With bones, right. But thank you as always, and thank 1389 01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:54.439 thank you all for joining us and watching and uh 1390 01:12:56.279 --> 01:12:59.800 reveling in my horror and the sweat that was running 1391 01:13:00.079 --> 01:13:02.199 on my back. Sorry, all of that. 1392 01:13:04.479 --> 01:13:07.239 We hope you sweated too while you were listening. 1393 01:13:07.760 --> 01:13:12.640 Yes, Yes, like and subscribe. You can check out our 1394 01:13:12.680 --> 01:13:15.800 Patreon for early access and United versions of the Reaction 1395 01:13:16.319 --> 01:13:20.399 and add free versions of this in the audio version 1396 01:13:20.560 --> 01:13:23.800 and helped me out with the previous lease in Discord. 1397 01:13:23.880 --> 01:13:25.560 Oh look, my hand just went through my body there. 1398 01:13:26.119 --> 01:13:29.439 That's a visual thing. If you're listening, you didn't see 1399 01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:35.960 it all. And do all the things like subscribe, rate, review, 1400 01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:38.720 and we'll see you next time. Bye bye,