Full Transcript for Sisters, Fathers, Monsters

Hillman. Oh, not to be 39 00:03:28,090 --> 00:03:30,810 confused with the famous psychologist, James Hillman. 40 00:03:31,050 --> 00:03:36,105 Just just your uncle Jim. The one used to call and talk to, 41 00:03:36,105 --> 00:03:36,745 visit. 42 00:03:37,465 --> 00:03:38,745 Well, haven't 43 00:03:38,745 --> 00:03:42,345 heard from my girl in a while and I was just sitting here 44 00:03:42,345 --> 00:03:51,065 wondering if you still like that Sensodyne toothpaste. I I had a 45 00:03:51,065 --> 00:03:58,400 $2 off coupon here with your name on it. Okay. Oh, auntie 46 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,600 says we're going to dinner soon. That'll be nice. 47 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,200 Alrighty. Bye bye. 48 00:04:12,755 --> 00:04:16,355 Dad on Elevator: Hold the elevator, please. Thank you. 49 00:04:17,235 --> 00:04:20,450 Daughter on Elevator: Daddy, we almost missed the elevator. 50 00:04:20,930 --> 00:04:22,050 Dad on Elevator: I know, hon. 51 00:04:22,050 --> 00:04:22,610 Luisa: Floor? 52 00:04:22,610 --> 00:04:24,370 Dad on Elevator: Oh, 10, please. Thank you. 53 00:04:24,370 --> 00:04:28,130 Daughter on Elevator: I can count to 10. I can count to 100. 54 00:04:28,210 --> 00:04:30,130 Dad on Elevator: I know you can because you're so smart. 55 00:04:30,130 --> 00:04:31,410 Daughter on Elevator: Can I show you? 56 00:04:31,650 --> 00:04:33,250 Dad on Elevator: Yes. But quietly. 57 00:04:33,250 --> 00:04:37,435 Daughter on Elevator: Okay? Okay. Miss, I can count to 100. 58 00:04:37,515 --> 00:04:38,475 Luisa: You can? 59 00:04:38,875 --> 00:04:39,355 Daughter on Elevator: Yeah. 60 00:04:39,355 --> 00:04:40,955 My dad taught me. 61 00:04:41,035 --> 00:04:42,235 Luisa: That's wonderful. 62 00:04:43,195 --> 00:04:44,635 Daughter on Elevator: Can I show you? 63 00:04:45,835 --> 00:04:48,570 Luisa: Oh, next time? 64 00:04:48,730 --> 00:04:51,130 Daughter on Elevator: Yeah. Next time. 65 00:04:51,530 --> 00:04:52,330 Dad on Elevator: Have a good one. 66 00:04:52,330 --> 00:04:52,970 Luisa: You too. 67 00:04:52,970 --> 00:04:53,930 Daughter on Elevator: Daddy, count with 68 00:04:53,930 --> 00:04:55,050 me. One. 69 00:04:55,610 --> 00:04:56,090 Dad on Elevator: Two. 70 00:04:57,290 --> 00:04:57,450 Simone: No. 71 00:05:02,085 --> 00:05:05,525 No. No. No. Yeah. I bet he does. 72 00:05:06,485 --> 00:05:11,045 Come in. Sorry. Almost done. Look, Val. I can whip up some 73 00:05:11,045 --> 00:05:13,045 magic, but I can't work miracles. 74 00:05:13,045 --> 00:05:16,325 Michael's a good writer, but he's not Stephen King. Okay? 75 00:05:16,485 --> 00:05:19,350 Uh-huh. Yeah. You can absolutely tell him I said that. 76 00:05:19,350 --> 00:05:24,550 Simone: Okay. Okay. Uh-huh. Bye. I'm so sorry, Luisa. 77 00:05:24,550 --> 00:05:28,150 This writer, let's just say he's a PITA: pain in the a-- 78 00:05:28,150 --> 00:05:29,350 Luisa: Yeah. I can imagine. 79 00:05:29,350 --> 00:05:34,355 Simone: Men. Am I right? Yeah. Anyway, back to

you. Contracts 80 00:05:34,355 --> 00:05:34,995 all signed. 81 00:05:34,995 --> 00:05:35,955 Luisa: Yep. All done. 82 00:05:35,955 --> 00:05:36,995 Simone: Are you so excited? 83 00:05:36,995 --> 00:05:38,115 Luisa: I'm so excited. 84 00:05:38,115 --> 00:05:40,675 Simone: Luisa, you ready to write a bestseller? 85 00:05:40,675 --> 00:05:44,275 Luisa: I'm ready to write. Whether or not it's a bestseller 86 00:05:44,275 --> 00:05:45,520 is up to the universe. 87 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,360 Simone: It's a bestseller, my friend. Trust me. You trust me? 88 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:50,320 Luisa: I trust you. 89 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,600 Simone: Good. I would never steer you wrong. Now did you 90 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,680 have a chance to read the brief about Gloria? 91 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,440 Luisa: Yes. Oh my god. What a tragic and courageous woman. I 92 00:05:59,945 --> 00:06:01,385 I'm I'm so honored to be able 93 00:06:01,385 --> 00:06:02,105 to work on this. 94 00:06:02,105 --> 00:06:05,785 Simone: Oh, it's so sad. That's why it's gonna be a bestseller. 95 00:06:05,785 --> 00:06:08,505 I'm gonna have a courier drop off all the notes and research 96 00:06:08,505 --> 00:06:11,305 and whatnot that we have left over from our previous writers, 97 00:06:11,305 --> 00:06:11,545 which you 98 00:06:11,545 --> 00:06:12,505 can take or leave. 99 00:06:12,505 --> 00:06:13,625 Luisa: Oh, previous writers? 100 00:06:13,625 --> 00:06:15,610 Simone: Oh, we've had a couple writers come and go on this 101 00:06:15,610 --> 00:06:18,970 project. They weren't the right fit. You know? 102 00:06:19,130 --> 00:06:19,770 Luisa: Sure. 103 00:06:19,770 --> 00:06:22,810 Simone: But that's okay because we learned from that, and now we 104 00:06:22,810 --> 00:06:24,170 have you. Yay! 105 00:06:24,170 --> 00:06:24,810 Luisa: Yay. 106 00:06:24,810 --> 00:06:28,090 Simone: Like I said, Gloria is a force to be reckoned with. I 107 00:06:28,090 --> 00:06:31,555 mean, of course, she is. She survived the massacre of her own 108 00:06:31,555 --> 00:06:33,075 family for god's sake. 109 00:06:33,075 --> 00:06:33,635 Luisa: Right. 110 00:06:33,795 --> 00:06:36,995 Simone: But I don't doubt for one second that you are the 111 00:06:36,995 --> 00:06:39,715 person for this project. Third time's a charm. Right? 112 00:06:39,715 --> 00:06:40,675 Luisa: Right. 113 00:06:40,675 --> 00:06:43,840 Simone: Have you watched her docuseries yet, On the Linoleum 114 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:44,480 Floor? 115 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,240 Luisa: Not yet, but it's on my list. 116 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,680 Simone: I think it's trending in Netflix's top five. People are 117 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,160 gobbling it up. Definitely give it a watch. 118 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,160 Luisa: I yes. I think I'll wait to 119 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,200 watch it until after I have my first meeting with her so that 120 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:58,995 she's my

frame of reference. 121 00:06:58,995 --> 00:06:59,315 You know? 122 00:06:59,315 --> 00:07:01,875 Simone: So how familiar are you with Gloria's story? 123 00:07:02,435 --> 00:07:05,315 Luisa: As of right now, my only reference is what's outlined in 124 00:07:05,315 --> 00:07:07,875 the brief. I'm a bad millennial. I don't really watch a whole lot 125 00:07:07,875 --> 00:07:10,755 of true crime, but this is the part I love the most about 126 00:07:10,755 --> 00:07:13,360 writing nonfiction, the discovery. 127 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:14,080 Simone: Yes. 128 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,800 Yes. See, I knew you were right for this. I can already see the 129 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,560 pages in my head. But seriously, you gotta watch the docuseries. 130 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,080 It's traumatizing. 131 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:27,920 Luisa: With a title like "On the Linoleum Floor", I wouldn't 132 00:07:27,645 --> 00:07:28,845 expect anything less. 133 00:07:28,845 --> 00:07:31,485 Simone: Oh my god. Yes. So that's a reference to how she 134 00:07:31,485 --> 00:07:36,285 was well, I'll let you discover that for yourself. 135 00:07:36,365 --> 00:07:37,565 Luisa: I appreciate it. 136 00:07:37,565 --> 00:07:39,805 Simone: I'm telling you, Luisa, bestseller. 137 00:07:41,030 --> 00:07:43,110 Okay. I gotta jet to my next meeting. 138 00:07:43,110 --> 00:07:43,990 Here. I'll walk you out. 139 00:07:43,990 --> 00:07:44,630 Luisa: Okay. 140 00:07:45,190 --> 00:07:48,230 Simone: So any last questions before we part ways? 141 00:07:49,270 --> 00:07:50,070 Luisa: Just one. 142 00:07:50,070 --> 00:07:50,550 Simone: Mhmm. 143 00:07:50,870 --> 00:07:53,110 Luisa: Do you have any advice for my first meeting with 144 00:07:53,110 --> 00:07:53,430 Gloria? 145 00:07:53,815 --> 00:07:54,695 Simone: Great question. 146 00:07:54,695 --> 00:07:57,015 Dani: Simone, your 2:30 is in the conference room. 147 00:07:57,015 --> 00:07:59,655 Simone: Oh, thanks, Dani. My advice for you. 148 00:07:59,655 --> 00:07:59,975 Luisa: Oh. 149 00:07:59,975 --> 00:08:03,095 Simone: Don't take anything she says personally. So great seeing 150 00:08:03,095 --> 00:08:03,735 you, Luisa. 151 00:08:03,735 --> 00:08:04,935 Talk soon. Okay. Bye. 152 00:08:05,575 --> 00:08:07,575 Luisa: Okay... Bye. 153 00:08:17,970 --> 00:08:18,690 Jim: Hello. 154 00:08:18,770 --> 00:08:19,650 Luisa: Uncle. 155 00:08:19,810 --> 00:08:21,890 Jim: So you do remember me? 156 00:08:21,890 --> 00:08:23,250 Luisa: Yes, uncle. 157 00:08:23,570 --> 00:08:25,155 Jim: You calling about the coupon? 158 00:08:25,235 --> 00:08:26,195 Luisa: Not exactly. 159 00:08:26,275 --> 00:08:28,035 Jim: No. But you'll take the 160 00:08:28,035 --> 00:08:28,675 coupon. 161 00:08:28,675 --> 00:08:29,475 Luisa: Sure. 162 00:08:29,635 --> 00:08:32,355 Jim: I'll leave it at the shop for the next time you stop by. 163 00:08:32,515 --> 00:08:34,275 How are doing on toilet paper? 164 00:08:34,515 --> 00:08:41,610 Luisa: Good. I think I'm good. Are you clipping coupons as we 165 00:08:41,610 --> 00:08:42,170 speak? 166 00:08:42,410 --> 00:08:47,530 Jim: Yes. I'm gonna give you this coupon for $3 off any 167 00:08:47,530 --> 00:08:53,235 Charmin toilet paper. And no such thing as too much TP. So 168 00:08:53,235 --> 00:08:54,515 what's shaking, kid? 169 00:08:55,235 --> 00:08:58,835 Luisa: Oh, not much. You know, just getting myself situated for 170 00:08:58,835 --> 00:09:02,115 the memoir job, and that's pretty much it. 171 00:09:02,115 --> 00:09:02,675 Jim: Yeah? 172 00:09:02,755 --> 00:09:03,315 Luisa: Yeah. 173 00:09:03,315 --> 00:09:04,675 Jim: And that's going good? 174 00:09:05,330 --> 00:09:08,450 Luisa: Yeah. It's just, you know, taking up a lot of my time 175 00:09:08,450 --> 00:09:09,170 these days. 176 00:09:09,490 --> 00:09:12,530 Jim: Well, I know you're a big deal now, but you forget us 177 00:09:12,530 --> 00:09:13,410 little people. 178 00:09:13,410 --> 00:09:16,450 Luisa: I'm not a big deal, and I can never forget you. 179 00:09:16,450 --> 00:09:17,250 Jim: Promise? 180 00:09:17,250 --> 00:09:18,130 Luisa: Promise. 181 00:09:18,130 --> 00:09:18,530 Jim: Good. 182 00:09:20,005 --> 00:09:22,325 Hey. Where are we going out for dinner? 183 00:09:22,325 --> 00:09:25,285 Luisa: Where do you wanna go? Cheesecake Factory? 184 00:09:25,685 --> 00:09:28,165 Jim: You know I love their pumpernickel bread. 185 00:09:28,165 --> 00:09:29,365 Luisa: Oh, yes. So good. 186 00:09:29,365 --> 00:09:31,125 Jim: Hey. How about Hamburger Helper? 187 00:09:31,410 --> 00:09:32,290 Luisa: For dinner? 188 00:09:32,290 --> 00:09:33,730 Jim: Yes. No. 189 00:09:33,730 --> 00:09:38,210 For for for you. I I've got a buy one, get one free coupon for 190 00:09:38,210 --> 00:09:42,210 a hamburger helper. You still like the beef stroganoff? You 191 00:09:42,210 --> 00:09:43,170 loved that as a kid. 192 00:09:44,155 --> 00:09:46,555 Luisa: Uncle, my taste has matured since then. 193 00:09:46,555 --> 00:09:47,995 Jim: So no coupon? 194 00:09:48,235 --> 00:09:49,275 Luisa: Yeah. I'll take the coupon. 195 00:09:49,275 --> 00:09:49,915 Jim: Yeah. Yeah. 196 00:09:50,315 --> 00:09:52,235 Dropping it into the coupon pile. ["Geronimo" whistle] 197 00:09:55,035 --> 00:09:57,355 Stroganoff is the best hamburger helper flavor. 198 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,880 Luisa: Stroganoff is the best hamburger helper flavor. 199 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:02,800 Jim: Cheesecake Factory then. 200 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,240 Luisa: Whatever you and auntie want. 201 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,760 Jim: Well, we wanna celebrate our girl. That's what we want. 202 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,440 Doesn't matter where. 203 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:10,000 Luisa: I know. 204 00:10:12,125 --> 00:10:15,485 Hey, uncle. Did auntie tell you about my car accident? 205 00:10:15,805 --> 00:10:19,725 Jim: Oh, the fender bender? Yeah. Is everything alright? 206

00:10:19,725 --> 00:10:22,765 Luisa: Yeah. No. Everything's fine. Insurance folks are, you 207 00:10:22,765 --> 00:10:26,525 know, working everything out. I I was just curious if auntie 208 00:10:26,525 --> 00:10:28,880 mentioned the person who hit me. 209 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,320 Jim: I I don't think so. 210 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:37,840 Luisa: Oh, well, it's this woman, Debra. She actually knew 211 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:43,135 my mom. They were friends in school. This is wild. Right? 212 00:10:43,135 --> 00:10:43,375 Like? 213 00:10:43,855 --> 00:10:48,095 Jim: Really? Wow. That's yeah. That's something else. 214 00:10:48,255 --> 00:10:53,215 Luisa: Yeah. Anyway, she also met auntie, like, way back when. 215 00:10:54,095 --> 00:10:55,455 You don't remember her? 216 00:10:56,570 --> 00:11:05,610 Jim: I no. I can't say I do. When you get to my age, you just 217 00:11:05,930 --> 00:11:08,330 Luisa: I I know. I I was just curious. 218 00:11:09,610 --> 00:11:10,730 So what else is shaking? 219 00:11:12,245 --> 00:11:14,725 Jim: Not a whole lot, kid. Just living the dream. 220 00:11:15,205 --> 00:11:16,965 Luisa: You're distracted by coupons again. 221 00:11:16,965 --> 00:11:22,005 Jim: I hit the jackpot. Oh. Yeah. Buy one LaCroix 12 pack. 222 00:11:22,005 --> 00:11:22,885 Get one free. 223 00:11:22,885 --> 00:11:23,525 Luisa: Oh. 224 00:11:23,525 --> 00:11:24,245 Jim: You taking it? 225 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:25,960 Luisa: You know I love LaCroix. 226 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:26,920 Jim: It's going in the pile. 227 00:11:48,415 --> 00:11:52,255 Sherry: I've been thinking a lot about chance lately. Chance 228 00:11:52,255 --> 00:11:58,080 encounters, all the choices, big or small, that had to be made or 229 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:03,520 not made in order for two strangers to cross paths. Why do 230 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:08,400 we cross paths with hundreds, maybe thousands of people in our 231 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:15,095 lifetime and connect emotionally with only a select few if we're 232 00:12:15,095 --> 00:12:22,615 lucky. And why do we have that spark, that romantic jolt of 233 00:12:22,615 --> 00:12:28,320 electricity with an even smaller group of people, at least for 234 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:34,240 me. I've only felt that with maybe a handful of people. 235 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,840 The first time I ever felt it was with Sam. 236 00:12:39,295 --> 00:12:40,015 Luisa: Sam? 237 00:12:40,335 --> 00:12:48,255 Sherry: And that was unexpected. I wish things could have been 238 00:12:48,255 --> 00:12:53,700 different. An older couple came into the bar tonight. 239 00:12:53,860 --> 00:12:58,180 I think they were in their seventies, eighties. Anyway, 240 00:12:58,180 --> 00:13:01,780 I've never seen them before, and everyone kinda stopped and 241 00:13:01,780 --> 00:13:06,885 looked at them because they just looked so out of place. I've 242 00:13:06,885 --> 00:13:10,645 been at Rick's for a few years now, and I cannot say that I've 243 00:13:10,645 --> 00:13:15,365 ever seen an elderly couple come in, especially like these two. 244 00:13:16,405 --> 00:13:25,400 They were so cute, like, dressed to the nines. The guy had on, 245 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:31,240 like, a three piece suit, and the woman had the cutest pillbox 246 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,200 hat sitting on top of her bouffant hairdo. 247 00:13:35,905 --> 00:13:40,465 They were something else. I couldn't take my eyes off of 248 00:13:40,465 --> 00:13:45,185 them. I'm watching these two elderly adults look at each 249 00:13:45,185 --> 00:13:49,690 other like they were teenagers in love. And I thought, is this 250 00:13:49,690 --> 00:13:52,970 new love? Or like, did they meet recently? 251 00:13:54,170 --> 00:13:57,530 Or are they like high school sweethearts who never lost that 252 00:13:57,530 --> 00:14:02,985 spark? There's a magic to it though. That spark you feel with 253 00:14:02,985 --> 00:14:11,625 someone, it's special and rare. When I was a kid, my dad told me 254 00:14:11,625 --> 00:14:15,580 that he felt that spark only once in his life and it was when 255 00:14:15,580 --> 00:14:20,460 he met my mother. And he said that spark was the best and the 256 00:14:20,460 --> 00:14:22,460 worst thing that ever happened to him. 257 00:14:22,700 --> 00:14:28,125 And then he laughed because at the time it was funny. Little 258 00:14:28,125 --> 00:14:35,885 did he know. So, yeah, I know what you mean now, Dad. It's 259 00:14:35,885 --> 00:14:39,645 called a spark for a reason. It burns. 260 00:14:43,070 --> 00:14:49,550 Can you imagine a man from China meets a woman from Vietnam in 261 00:14:49,550 --> 00:14:55,565 Los Angeles, California on a bus? A bus that she wasn't even 262 00:14:55,565 --> 00:15:01,245 supposed to be on. What are the chances? Maybe this deja vu I 263 00:15:01,245 --> 00:15:06,445 keep feeling isn't a feeling. Maybe it's history repeating 264 00:15:06,445 --> 00:15:06,845 itself. 265 00:15:08,300 --> 00:15:13,020 A friendly reminder from fate that we never had a choice. 266 00:15:15,660 --> 00:15:18,700 Trey: I definitely identify with AJ. 267 00:15:18,700 --> 00:15:22,685 Luisa: I don't know. You feel more like a Nick Carter to me. 268 00:15:22,685 --> 00:15:25,885 Trey: Nick Carter? The worst Backstreet Boy? 269 00:15:25,885 --> 00:15:30,285 Luisa: I'm sorry. Excuse me. Not sure I heard you correctly? 270 00:15:30,285 --> 00:15:35,565 Trey: I said Nick Carter is the worst Backstreet-- Like, good. 271 00:15:35,565 --> 00:15:39,000 Everyone, gather. He's the worst. Change my mind. 272 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:39,400 Luisa: Okay. 273 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,360 First of all, there's no such thing as the worst Backstreet 274 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:50,360 boy. They all have their merits. Second, AJ was the bad boy. No 275 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,085 offense, but you don't come off as the bad boy type. You don't 276 00:15:54,085 -->

00:15:55,525 even have a pierced ear. 277 00:15:55,765 --> 00:16:00,725 Trey: I'm a bad boy at heart? Okay. Hear me out. AJ was like 278 00:16:00,725 --> 00:16:02,885 the deep, soulful one of the group. 279 00:16:02,885 --> 00:16:03,045 Luisa: Mhmm. 280 00:16:03,045 --> 00:16:03,525 Trey: Like, if look 281 00:16:03,525 --> 00:16:05,770 Trey: into his eyes, you'd think this guy has layers. Am I right? 282 00:16:05,770 --> 00:16:06,650 Luisa: He totally did. 283 00:16:06,650 --> 00:16:09,690 Trey: Okay. You see what I'm saying? In that sense, I am like 284 00:16:09,690 --> 00:16:13,770 AJ, not some basic ass Nick Carter. 285 00:16:13,770 --> 00:16:20,465 Luisa: Okay. I see. Well, I'd be a bit more convinced if you at 286 00:16:20,465 --> 00:16:21,505 least had a tattoo. 287 00:16:21,505 --> 00:16:22,945 Trey: Oh, I have a giant back tattoo. 288 00:16:22,945 --> 00:16:23,425 Luisa: Really? 289 00:16:23,425 --> 00:16:24,705 Trey: I do not. Do you? 290 00:16:24,705 --> 00:16:25,265 Luisa: No. 291 00:16:25,425 --> 00:16:27,265 Trey: Yeah. I'm not a fan of needles. 292 00:16:27,345 --> 00:16:30,545 Luisa: I'm not a fan of having something tattooed on my body 293 00:16:30,545 --> 00:16:31,185 forever. 294 00:16:31,505 --> 00:16:34,160 Trey: I don't know. I'd like to get a tattoo one day. 295 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,240 Luisa: Yeah. What would you get? 296 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:41,120 Trey: Oh, probably something dedicated to my dad and my mom. 297 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:44,320 Luisa: That's sweet. You all must be very close then? 298 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,065 Trey: Yeah. I'm really close to my dad. My mom and I were close 299 00:16:48,065 --> 00:16:49,185 too before she passed. 300 00:16:49,825 --> 00:16:51,105 Luisa: I'm so sorry. 301 00:16:51,105 --> 00:16:53,025 Trey: Oh, I was nine. It was a long time ago. 302 00:16:53,425 --> 00:16:57,505 Luisa: It doesn't matter how long ago it was. Loss is always 303 00:16:57,505 --> 00:17:00,145 hard even when you're so young. 304 00:17:01,580 --> 00:17:03,980 Trey: Sometimes I think I haven't really processed it, if 305 00:17:03,980 --> 00:17:04,860 that makes sense. 306 00:17:05,820 --> 00:17:06,700 Luisa: It does. 307 00:17:07,420 --> 00:17:11,340 Trey: I mean, was just a normal day. Right? She drove me to 308 00:17:11,340 --> 00:17:17,895 school. She said, see you later. And then she went to work, and, 309 00:17:18,615 --> 00:17:19,815 she had a heart attack. 310 00:17:20,695 --> 00:17:22,135 Luisa: Trey, that's 311 00:17:22,215 --> 00:17:22,935 Trey: No. Sorry. 312 00:17:22,935 --> 00:17:23,415 Luisa: That's awful. 313 00:17:23,415 --> 00:17:25,655 Trey: I don't wanna bring down the vibes. Sorry. 314 00:17:25,895 --> 00:17:27,815 Luisa: No. You're not. We're talking. 315 00:17:28,295 --> 00:17:32,540 Trey: Okay. Thank you. Well, since then, it's just been me 316 00:17:32,540 --> 00:17:34,380 and my dad. You know? He's my dude. 317 00:17:34,620 --> 00:17:43,740

My mom, she was stellar. So when I get my big back tattoo, it'll 318 00:17:43,740 --> 00:17:44,715 be in their honor. 319 00:17:46,075 --> 00:17:48,555 Luisa: I'm sure your parents would be so proud. 320 00:17:48,555 --> 00:17:51,355 Trey: How about you? 321 00:17:51,355 --> 00:17:52,795 You close with your mom and dad? 322 00:17:53,435 --> 00:17:55,435 Luisa: Yeah. We're close. 323 00:17:55,835 --> 00:17:56,715 Trey: That's good. 324 00:17:56,715 --> 00:17:59,660 Not a lot of folks have that, you know, good relationship with 325 00:17:59,660 --> 00:18:00,380 their parents. 326 00:18:00,700 --> 00:18:01,340 Luisa: Yeah. 327 00:18:02,220 --> 00:18:03,340 Trey: Got any siblings? 328 00:18:03,660 --> 00:18:05,900 Luisa: No. I'm an only child too. 329 00:18:05,980 --> 00:18:07,420 Trey: Well, explains a lot. 330 00:18:07,500 --> 00:18:08,460 Luisa: What do you mean? 331 00:18:08,860 --> 00:18:11,580 Trey: You got that only child vibe. 332 00:18:11,580 --> 00:18:12,805 Luisa: And what does that mean? 333 00:18:12,965 --> 00:18:14,565 Trey: Oh, just that 334 00:18:14,645 --> 00:18:18,005 you're smart, hot, and you're fucked up like me. 335 00:18:18,005 --> 00:18:19,525 Luisa: Wait. You think I'm hot? 336 00:18:19,685 --> 00:18:20,725 Trey: You think I'm hot? 337 00:18:20,725 --> 00:18:22,005 Luisa: I asked you first. 338 00:18:22,565 --> 00:18:23,845 Trey: Yes. I think you're hot. 339 00:18:24,210 --> 00:18:26,850 Luisa: Nice. Also, what makes you think I'm fucked up? 340 00:18:26,850 --> 00:18:28,850 Trey: Wait. You have to answer my question. 341 00:18:29,330 --> 00:18:31,810 Luisa: Yes. I think you're hot. 342 00:18:31,810 --> 00:18:32,690 Trey: Hell yeah. 343 00:18:32,850 --> 00:18:35,970 Luisa: Seriously, though. Do I give off fucked up vibes? 344 00:18:35,970 --> 00:18:38,545 Trey: You know, based on the little information I have about 345 00:18:38,545 --> 00:18:42,865 you so far, yes, a bit. But the best people are. 346 00:18:43,425 --> 00:18:44,225 Luisa: I guess. 347 00:18:44,225 --> 00:18:46,865 Trey: You wouldn't be a good writer if you weren't at least a 348 00:18:46,865 --> 00:18:47,585 little fucked up. 349 00:18:47,585 --> 00:18:48,145 Luisa: How do you know 350 00:18:48,145 --> 00:18:49,025 that I'm a good writer? 351 00:18:49,025 --> 00:18:50,785 Trey: Because you have a deal with a big publisher. 352 00:18:50,785 --> 00:18:53,560 Luisa: Maybe I'm a crap writer who got lucky. That happens a 353 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:54,040 lot. 354 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,960 Trey: Nah. You're a good writer. I can tell. Here. I'll prove it. 355 00:18:57,960 --> 00:18:58,680 One sec. 356 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,320 Luisa: What are you looking for? 357 00:19:01,320 --> 00:19:04,360 Trey: Shut up. Shut up. Hey, boss. Do you got a pen I could 358 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:04,840 borrow? 359 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:06,280 Bartender: Sure. 360 00:19:06,995 --> 00:19:07,875 Trey: Thank you. 361 00:19:08,915 --> 00:19:10,355 Luisa: What what's happening here? 362 00:19:10,995 --> 00:19:14,275 Trey: So this is a napkin. This is a pen. You might have 363 00:19:14,275 --> 00:19:15,235 encountered them before. 364 00:19:15,235 --> 00:19:15,555 Luisa: Mhmm. 365 00:19:15,555 --> 00:19:19,475 Trey: I bet you could write something beautiful with just 366 00:19:19,475 --> 00:19:19,715 this. 367 00:19:20,930 --> 00:19:23,090 Luisa: You want me to write something beautiful on this 368 00:19:23,090 --> 00:19:23,490 napkin? 369 00:19:23,490 --> 00:19:24,130 Trey: I do. 370 00:19:24,290 --> 00:19:28,610 Luisa: Oh, okay. Should I also stand up and do a tap dance 371 00:19:28,610 --> 00:19:29,330 while I'm at it? 372 00:19:29,330 --> 00:19:31,490 Trey: Oh, sure. If that sounds fun. Come on. Just write 373 00:19:31,490 --> 00:19:33,010 something, anything. 374 00:19:33,010 --> 00:19:33,890 Luisa: For what? 375 00:19:33,890 --> 00:19:34,370 Trey: For 376 00:19:35,145 --> 00:19:38,025 me to keep. As, like a token. 377 00:19:38,105 --> 00:19:39,785 Luisa: Are you being serious right now? 378 00:19:39,785 --> 00:19:40,825 Trey: Dead serious. 379 00:19:41,065 --> 00:19:42,505 Come on. Just a 380 00:19:42,505 --> 00:19:44,025 little something. Maybe a poem. 381 00:19:44,025 --> 00:19:44,905 Luisa: Now you want a poem? 382 00:19:44,905 --> 00:19:46,505 Trey: It doesn't have to, like, rhyme. 383 00:19:46,505 --> 00:19:46,905 I don't know. 384 00:19:46,905 --> 00:19:47,970 Luisa: I'm not a poet. 385 00:19:47,970 --> 00:19:49,970 Trey: Well, I I don't know. I think there's something poetic 386 00:19:49,970 --> 00:19:50,770 about you. 387 00:19:54,050 --> 00:19:58,690 Luisa: If that's the case, then you write something. 388 00:19:58,770 --> 00:20:01,155 Trey: Well, I'm I'm not the writer. 389 00:20:01,155 --> 00:20:04,915 Luisa: Everyone's a writer. Also, aren't you a product 390 00:20:04,915 --> 00:20:07,315 marketing, what? Product, what did you say your title was? 391 00:20:07,235 --> 00:20:08,355 Trey: Product marketing manager. 392 00:20:08,355 --> 00:20:10,995 Luisa: Yes. Product marketing manager. You're telling me that 393 00:20:10,995 --> 00:20:12,115 you don't have to write for that job? 394 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:13,880 Trey: Okay. 395 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:15,240 Luisa: Mhmm. 396 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,280 Trey: Don't look. I gotta concentrate. Okay. 397 00:20:20,120 --> 00:20:20,760 Luisa: Oh, 398 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:33,885 not so easy. What you working on over there? 399 00:20:33,885 --> 00:20:35,885 Trey: You don't don't ask questions you know the 400 00:20:35,885 --> 00:20:36,205 answers to. 401 00:20:41,650 --> 00:20:42,610 Luisa: Can I look now? 402 00:20:42,610 --> 00:20:45,890 Trey: Almost. Mhmm. Keep singing game show songs. That's helpful. 403 00:20:45,890 --> 00:20:46,370 Okay. 404 00:20:46,450 --> 00:20:46,850 Okay. 405 00:20:46,850 --> 00:20:48,130 Luisa: See? It's not easy, huh? 406 00:20:48,930 -->

00:20:52,425 Trey: Yes. I think this could be my Sistine Chapel. 407 00:20:52,425 --> 00:20:53,385 Luisa: Ohh hot dog. 408 00:20:53,385 --> 00:20:54,185 Trey: You ready? 409 00:20:54,185 --> 00:20:54,585 Luisa: Yeah. 410 00:20:54,585 --> 00:20:54,825 Trey: K. 411 00:20:54,825 --> 00:20:58,345 Close your eyes. Okay. Open. 412 00:20:59,385 --> 00:21:04,345 Luisa: "She's a mango woman. I'm a mango man, and AJ is the best 413 00:21:04,345 --> 00:21:08,910 Backstreet Boy." This is your Sistine Chapel. 414 00:21:08,910 --> 00:21:09,710 Trey: Thank you. 415 00:21:10,750 --> 00:21:13,310 Luisa: Also, can I just say that I appreciate that you wore a 416 00:21:13,310 --> 00:21:14,190 Hawaiian shirt? 417 00:21:14,190 --> 00:21:15,870 Trey: Thank you for finally noticing. 418 00:21:15,870 --> 00:21:18,350 Luisa: It's the first thing I noticed when I saw you. 419 00:21:18,350 --> 00:21:21,305 Trey: I mean, I get it. When I see a sexy man in Hawaiian 420 00:21:21,305 --> 00:21:22,825 shirt, my mind goes blank too. 421 00:21:22,825 --> 00:21:24,185 Luisa: That's not at all what I said. 422 00:21:24,185 --> 00:21:25,225 Trey: You insinuated it. 423 00:21:25,225 --> 00:21:27,865 Luisa: I think you've had too many mango coladas. 424 00:21:27,945 --> 00:21:33,385 Trey: That is possible. This has been fun. 425 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:34,840 Luisa: Do you have to run? 426 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:35,800 Trey: No. No. No. No. Sorry. 427 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:39,160 I'm just saying, this was, this is fun. 428 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:40,520 Luisa: Very fun. 429 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:46,600 Trey: Can I tell you something? I I I hope it doesn't... I see a 430 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:47,480 therapist. 431 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:48,920 Luisa: That's great. 432 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:51,815 Trey: One of the things I've been working on with her is 433 00:21:52,295 --> 00:21:53,895 situations like tonight. 434 00:21:54,055 --> 00:21:54,695 Luisa: Okay. 435 00:21:54,695 --> 00:21:59,095 Trey: I sometimes get this anxiety. Kinda hard to explain. 436 00:21:59,895 --> 00:22:04,455 I was close to texting you and bailing on you tonight. And now 437 00:22:04,455 --> 00:22:06,240 sitting here, that seems... 438 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:08,960 Luisa: I'm glad you didn't. 439 00:22:09,360 --> 00:22:11,360 Trey: I'm glad you left your mangoes behind. 440 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:12,240 Luisa: Yeah. 441 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:15,280 What are the chances? 442 00:22:18,905 --> 00:22:22,185 So what's the title of your masterpiece? 443 00:22:22,345 --> 00:22:25,385 Trey: "Mango Woman." 444 00:22:25,465 --> 00:22:28,745 Luisa: Mango Woman. I like it. 445 00:22:28,745 --> 00:22:30,025 Trey: Me too. 446 00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:40,070 Luisa: Reina, I'm just driving home from my date. It was a 447 00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:47,165 really good date. He was fun and funny, like legit funny and 448 00:22:47,165 --> 00:22:51,645 vulnerable. Think I like this guy. Fuck. 449 00:22:52,205 --> 00:22:55,325 Anyway, let's catch up soon. There's some interesting 450 00:22:55,325 --> 00:23:00,980 developments from my mom's tapes. God. Let's just say the 451 00:23:00,980 --> 00:23:03,700 last twenty four hours have been a lot of highs and a lot of 452 00:23:03,700 --> 00:23:06,340 lows. Anyway, call me whenever. 453 00:23:06,340 --> 00:23:06,900 Love you. 454 00:23:14,545 --> 00:23:22,545 Sherry: It's raining. You see that, Babalu? That's rain. Rain. 455 00:23:22,625 --> 00:23:23,505 Listen. 456 00:23:26,145 --> 00:23:34,000 It's so nice, baby girl? Mama loves a rainy day. Yeah. You 457 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,440 like the rain too? 458 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:38,640 Luisa: I love it. 459 00:23:46,465 --> 00:23:52,785 Oh, hi, doggy. You protecting? Yeah. You protecting. After all, 460 00:23:52,785 --> 00:23:53,745 this is your territory. 461 00:23:53,745 --> 00:23:55,585 You're just doing your job. 462 00:23:55,985 --> 00:23:57,265 But I need to come in, sweet dog. 463 00:23:57,730 --> 00:24:01,010 Gloria: Come here. Hush up now. 464 00:24:01,490 --> 00:24:03,730 Luisa: Spock? What a cute name. 465 00:24:03,890 --> 00:24:05,650 Gloria: He looks like Spock, doesn't he? 466 00:24:05,650 --> 00:24:06,930 Luisa: He actually does. 467 00:24:07,650 --> 00:24:09,010 Gloria: Luisa, I presume. 468 00:24:09,810 --> 00:24:10,770 Good boy. 469 00:24:10,850 --> 00:24:13,815 Luisa: Your presumption is correct. It's so good to meet 470 00:24:13,815 --> 00:24:14,615 you, Gloria. 471 00:24:15,175 --> 00:24:23,815 Gloria: Is it? Come. Follow me. Luisa, I don't allow just anyone 472 00:24:23,815 --> 00:24:27,140 into my home. So have a seat here. 473 00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:31,060 I'll be right back. Spock, keep our guest company. 474 00:24:32,180 --> 00:24:34,420 Luisa: You're just a little softy, aren't you? 475 00:24:34,820 --> 00:24:41,035 Yeah. You're just a little softy. Hi... 476 00:24:45,675 --> 00:24:47,275 Gloria: You like lemonade, Luisa? 477 00:24:47,355 --> 00:24:49,435 Luisa: I'm not a monster, so yes. 478 00:24:49,915 --> 00:24:52,395 Gloria: Well, I'm sure even monsters enjoy a glass of 479 00:24:52,395 --> 00:24:53,115 lemonade. 480 00:24:53,195 --> 00:24:54,315 Luisa: You're probably right. 481 00:24:55,650 --> 00:24:59,570 Gloria: I am right. Monsters love the same things the rest of 482 00:24:59,570 --> 00:25:09,330 us do. Lemonade, dogs, sunshine, music. They just love the bad 483 00:25:09,330 --> 00:25:14,155 stuff too. You ever encountered a monster, Luisa? 484 00:25:15,915 --> 00:25:17,115 Luisa: I'm not sure. 485 00:25:18,795 --> 00:25:26,530 Gloria: I'm sure you have. Evil is everywhere. You know, in 486 00:25:26,530 --> 00:25:29,730 Cheyenne culture, they warn against allowing strangers into 487 00:25:29,730 --> 00:25:33,410 your home willy nilly in case that person may be carrying in 488 00:25:33,410 --> 00:25:37,490 some evil. Evil they may not even be aware they possess.

489 00:25:38,690 --> 00:25:42,665 What about you, Luisa? You got any evil on you? 490 00:25:44,025 --> 00:25:52,505 Luisa: Well, I sure hope not. But I don't know. I I don't 491 00:25:52,505 --> 00:25:57,560 believe anyone's entirely good or entirely bad. Good people do 492 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,240 bad things. Bad people do good things. 493 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,840 I hope that I'm one of the good people who occasionally does bad 494 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,600 things, but who can say for sure? 495 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,615 Gloria: Right on. You're from LA? 496 00:26:13,935 --> 00:26:17,055 Luisa: Yes, actually. I grew up in the San Gabriel Valley, 497 00:26:17,135 --> 00:26:18,015 Alhambra. 498 00:26:18,255 --> 00:26:21,695 Gloria: How far did you live from me? 499 00:26:21,775 --> 00:26:23,535 Luisa: How far did I live from you? 500 00:26:24,015 --> 00:26:25,295 Gloria: From my family's home. 501 00:26:25,730 --> 00:26:30,130 Luisa: Oh, right. Because you your family lived there. I don't 502 00:26:30,130 --> 00:26:30,690 know. 503 00:26:30,690 --> 00:26:35,090 I I can't say I mapped it out. Should I have? 504 00:26:35,970 --> 00:26:39,315 Gloria: I'm just surprised is all. Every single one of you 505 00:26:39,315 --> 00:26:43,235 writers that I've had the pleasure of working with seem to 506 00:26:43,235 --> 00:26:46,755 know more about my life than I do. A bunch of armchair 507 00:26:46,755 --> 00:26:51,235 detectives who've memorized all the facts and details about my 508 00:26:51,235 --> 00:26:51,795 life. 509 00:26:51,955 --> 00:26:54,100 Luisa: Oh, yeah. I I can see that. 510 00:26:54,100 --> 00:26:57,300 Gloria: And these so called woke fools who are so obsessed with 511 00:26:57,300 --> 00:27:02,180 the murder of my family, yet somehow felt triggered after 512 00:27:02,180 --> 00:27:06,180 having a simple conversation with me. That's your generation, 513 00:27:06,180 --> 00:27:07,380 though... triggered, 514 00:27:08,305 --> 00:27:10,945 woke, weak. 515 00:27:12,065 --> 00:27:18,305 Luisa: I'm sorry that's been your experience, but it doesn't 516 00:27:18,305 --> 00:27:25,080 surprise me. A lot of true crime writers wanna be the next 517 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,320 Michelle McNamara, you know, with the next true crime 518 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:41,975 bestseller, but that's not my... Well, I'm not sure if I should 519 00:27:41,975 --> 00:27:49,335 be admitting this to you, but I'm probably not the best person 520 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:49,640 for this job. 521 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,000 Gloria: Is that right? 522 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,320 Luisa: I mean, don't get me wrong. 523 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:58,360 I'm a solid writer, at least I think I am, and I want to work 524 00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:03,875 on your life story, but I'm not a true crime writer. And I don't 525 00:28:03,875 --> 00:28:09,875 even like the stuff. Anywho, I was given really detailed notes 526 00:28:09,875

--> 00:28:14,115 about your history from those writers, which I haven't read 527 00:28:14,115 --> 00:28:25,970 yet because, well, like I said, I'm kinda scared. No. No. 528 00:28:25,970 --> 00:28:30,290 Very scared, to read about that night and what you went through. 529 00:28:30,895 --> 00:28:34,415 I'm like the only millennial woman who doesn't fall asleep to 530 00:28:34,415 --> 00:28:40,335 the sweet sounds of a true crime show. Frankly, that stuff makes 531 00:28:40,335 --> 00:28:47,120 my stomach turn. And I hate even using those words, true crime, 532 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,560 to describe your story, but that's what everyone is calling 533 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:55,360 this. So, also, I don't really care about some other person's 534 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:58,835 notes because those are their notes and not mine, and I want 535 00:28:58,835 --> 00:29:03,315 the chance to get to know you on my own, you as a whole person, 536 00:29:03,395 --> 00:29:06,915 and not just for that traumatic event. 537 00:29:08,595 --> 00:29:15,080 Because you and your life is so much more than just that. And a 538 00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:19,720 memoir is meant to retell the story of a life, not just a 539 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,840 moment. And no. Oh my god. I I I am not trying to diminish what 540 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:31,605 happened to you and your family because that was horrendous. But 541 00:29:32,165 --> 00:29:36,405 it's not your whole story, nor should it be. 542 00:29:37,765 --> 00:29:40,485 At least, that's my take. 543 00:29:41,365 --> 00:29:44,245 Gloria: Well, alright. How's the lemonade? 544 00:29:45,100 --> 00:29:52,700 Luisa: It's fantastic. Thank you. Oh, shoot. I forgot. Do you 545 00:29:52,700 --> 00:29:54,620 mind if I record our sessions? 546 00:29:57,660 --> 00:29:59,345 Gloria: Are you serious? 547 00:29:59,665 --> 00:30:00,545 Luisa: Yes. 548 00:30:01,425 --> 00:30:06,145 Gloria: No. No. About that. Why on earth are you recording on 549 00:30:06,145 --> 00:30:09,105 that, not on your phone like all these other kids? 550 00:30:09,905 --> 00:30:12,760 Luisa: I know. It's, uh-- I'm actually gonna record them both 551 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:13,640 just in case one 552 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:14,200 of them fails. 553 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:15,320 Gloria: Let me see that. 554 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:15,800 Luisa: Oh. 555 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:21,240 Gloria: My goodness. 556 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,680 My daddy had a cassette recorder just like this. 557 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,520 Luisa: Funny. That belonged to my mom. 558 00:30:28,125 --> 00:30:30,685 Gloria: This thing is in really good shape. 559 00:30:31,085 --> 00:30:35,485 Luisa: It was tucked away for many years. If you can believe 560 00:30:35,485 --> 00:30:37,965 it, you can still buy blank cassette tapes. 561 00:30:38,125 --> 00:30:38,925 So here I am. 562 00:30:39,660 --> 00:30:43,500 Gloria: My dad loved his electronics. I swear, his 563 00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:47,340 favorite place on earth was Radio Shack. We'd stop there 564 00:30:47,340 --> 00:30:48,220 every Saturday. 565 00:30:48,220 --> 00:30:49,820 Luisa: Oh, I'm I'm sorry. Can I-- 566 00:30:49,980 --> 00:30:50,620 Gloria: Right. 567 00:30:52,235 --> 00:30:56,715 Luisa: And we are recording. So your dad? 568 00:30:56,715 --> 00:31:02,875 Gloria: Yes, my dad. He was a funny man. He loved his gadgets. 569 00:31:03,195 --> 00:31:06,155 He always had to have the latest doohickey to add to his 570 00:31:06,155 --> 00:31:08,950 collection. God. 571 00:31:09,190 --> 00:31:13,750 If he was alive today and see everything we have now, he'd 572 00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:15,190 lose his damn mind. 573 00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:22,150 Debra: I'm not 574 00:31:21,425 --> 00:31:23,425 quite sure how I feel about this 575 00:31:23,905 --> 00:31:25,025 boba drink yet. 576 00:31:25,025 --> 00:31:27,105 Luisa: I understand. It takes some adjustment. 577 00:31:27,105 --> 00:31:28,865 Debra: I do like the milk tea. 578 00:31:28,865 --> 00:31:29,905 Luisa: I'm glad. 579 00:31:29,905 --> 00:31:30,705 Debra: It's the 580 00:31:31,505 --> 00:31:33,585 chewing my drink part that is giving me pause. 581 00:31:34,670 --> 00:31:35,710 Luisa: Listen, Debra. 582 00:31:35,790 --> 00:31:37,870 Luisa: I don't work for Big Boba, so I have no skin in the 583 00:31:37,870 --> 00:31:41,150 game here. I'm just a boba enthusiast. 584 00:31:41,150 --> 00:31:41,710 Debra: Well, 585 00:31:44,030 --> 00:31:45,550 thank you for introducing me to it. 586 00:31:45,550 --> 00:31:46,750 Luisa: You are most welcome. 587 00:31:47,150 --> 00:31:50,845 Debra: For a split second there, I thought you were Sherry. 588 00:31:51,485 --> 00:31:52,125 Luisa: Yeah? 589 00:31:52,285 --> 00:31:54,285 Debra: I mean, of course, you look like Sherry, but that's not 590 00:31:54,285 --> 00:31:58,045 what I'm getting at. You sound like her. Something about the 591 00:31:58,045 --> 00:32:01,245 way you talk and the way you say things. 592 00:32:01,645 --> 00:32:02,125 Luisa: Yeah? 593 00:32:02,125 --> 00:32:06,730 Debra: Yeah. It's it's very sweet. Even the way your mouth 594 00:32:06,730 --> 00:32:11,690 moves when you talk reminds me of Sher. It's surreal. 595 00:32:11,850 --> 00:32:12,570 Luisa: Mhmm. 596 00:32:13,610 --> 00:32:16,490 Luisa: Yeah. It's funny how even minute things like that can be 597 00:32:16,490 --> 00:32:19,355 passed down. Nature versus nurture. Am I right? 598 00:32:19,355 --> 00:32:22,555 Debra: Sometimes nature just cannot be denied. 599 00:32:24,795 --> 00:32:29,915 Luisa: So speaking of, I've been listening to the tapes. Right? 600 00:32:30,315 --> 00:32:35,470 And my mom has mentioned my father, my biological father. 601 00:32:35,470 --> 00:32:39,230 Mhmm. But she didn't say much at least in in what I've listened 602 00:32:39,230 --> 00:32:39,710 to. 603 00:32:39,710 --> 00:32:43,310 And I was hoping that maybe you could

shed some light. 604 00:32:43,710 --> 00:32:50,555 Debra: Gosh. I don't know very much. I do remember asking her 605 00:32:50,555 --> 00:32:53,355 about him because, you know, we met when you were just a baby, 606 00:32:53,355 --> 00:33:04,740 and I never saw him coming or going. All I know is that Sherry 607 00:33:04,740 --> 00:33:11,940 felt a lot of shame around that relationship because he was 608 00:33:11,940 --> 00:33:13,140 married at the time. 609 00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:15,060 Luisa: Yeah. She mentions that. 610 00:33:15,060 --> 00:33:15,620 Debra: Oh, okay. 611 00:33:17,265 --> 00:33:19,665 Luisa: Does the name Sam ring a bell? 612 00:33:19,825 --> 00:33:21,105 Debra: No. 613 00:33:21,585 --> 00:33:26,065 Luisa: She mentions a Sam. Did you ever happen to meet my 614 00:33:26,065 --> 00:33:27,105 uncle, Jim? 615 00:33:27,105 --> 00:33:27,745 Debra: Yes. 616 00:33:27,745 --> 00:33:29,425 Yes. At your your mother's funeral. 617 00:33:31,450 --> 00:33:34,570 Luisa, this must be a lot to process. 618 00:33:35,290 --> 00:33:36,810 Luisa: Yeah. It is. 619 00:33:36,810 --> 00:33:38,010 Debra: I'm so sorry. 620 00:33:39,210 --> 00:33:40,410 Luisa: It's okay. Sorry. 621 00:33:41,530 --> 00:33:43,930 I hope you don't think that I invited you out just to 622 00:33:43,930 --> 00:33:44,650 interrogate you. 623 00:33:44,650 --> 00:33:47,755 Debra: No. Please. I'm glad to shed any light I can. 624 00:33:49,275 --> 00:33:55,035 Luisa: Do you know the details about my mother's death? I know 625 00:33:55,035 --> 00:33:59,195 that she was found in the bathtub, but I don't really know 626 00:33:59,195 --> 00:34:02,340 much else, like if she left a note. 627 00:34:03,540 --> 00:34:10,100 Debra: I don't know if she left a note. But how much do you 628 00:34:10,100 --> 00:34:10,820 wanna know? 629 00:34:11,540 --> 00:34:12,580 Luisa: Everything you know. 630 00:34:13,985 --> 00:34:14,865 Debra: Again, it's 631 00:34:14,865 --> 00:34:20,625 not a whole lot. As you know, she was found in the bath. 632 00:34:22,225 --> 00:34:23,745 Luisa: Do you know who found her? 633 00:34:25,105 --> 00:34:26,625 Debra: Your uncle, Jim. 634 00:34:26,865 --> 00:34:27,185 Luisa: Oh. 635 00:34:28,140 --> 00:34:28,940 Debra: Her 636 00:34:29,420 --> 00:34:34,380 wrists were cut. They found a bottle of sleeping pills nearby. 637 00:34:35,260 --> 00:34:45,125 And I... that's that's everything I know. So, so sorry, 638 00:34:45,125 --> 00:34:49,765 Luisa. I know this might be hard to believe because I only knew 639 00:34:49,765 --> 00:34:53,765 your mother for a short time before she passed, but Sherry 640 00:34:53,845 --> 00:34:55,205 was my best friend. 641 00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,680 I wish I knew then what I know now. Maybe I could have done 642 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,480 something different to help her. 643 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,000 Luisa: I don't find that hard to believe. She talks very fondly 644 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,080 of

you, you know, on the tapes. 645 00:35:11,545 --> 00:35:12,425 Debra: She does? 646 00:35:12,585 --> 00:35:13,705 Luisa: Very much so. 647 00:35:14,425 --> 00:35:16,105 Debra: Oh, Sher. 648 00:35:17,065 --> 00:35:19,305 Luisa: You really never listened to the tapes, not even a little 649 00:35:19,305 --> 00:35:19,865 bit? 650 00:35:19,945 --> 00:35:26,450 Debra: No, actually. Have you ever driven home but can't 651 00:35:26,450 --> 00:35:30,050 remember how you got there? I'm not talking about driving 652 00:35:30,050 --> 00:35:34,370 intoxicated or something like that. I mean those moments when 653 00:35:34,370 --> 00:35:40,975 your mind and body go into autopilot. That day that I 654 00:35:40,975 --> 00:35:45,855 cleaned out your mom's apartment and took the tapes, I drove 655 00:35:45,855 --> 00:35:48,495 home, but I don't remember how I got there. 656 00:35:49,295 --> 00:35:54,270 All I remember was sitting in my car, looking over at my 657 00:35:54,270 --> 00:35:58,270 passenger seat, and seeing the box of tapes sitting there. And 658 00:35:58,270 --> 00:36:02,830 then I took that box and put it on the top shelf of my bedroom 659 00:36:02,830 --> 00:36:09,605 closet. I thought that one day I would find you. And then the box 660 00:36:09,605 --> 00:36:13,365 sat in that closet until I moved out of that apartment into the 661 00:36:13,365 --> 00:36:20,710 house I'm in now. I remember packing my things and coming 662 00:36:20,710 --> 00:36:24,470 across the box again, and I thought of you. 663 00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:32,245 But then I moved, and the box went into my attic, and life 664 00:36:32,245 --> 00:36:39,285 happened. And it happened so fast, so fast. It's as if I 665 00:36:39,285 --> 00:36:42,965 blinked and decades went by. Everything feels like it was 666 00:36:42,965 --> 00:36:46,645 just yesterday, but also a lifetime ago. 667 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,880 I'm sorry that I didn't try to find you. 668 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,800 Luisa: Maybe we were meant to find each other. 669 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,200 Debra: I think you're right. Sometimes the only solution is 670 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,895 time, and maybe that's 671 00:37:01,895 --> 00:37:04,055 what was needed for both of us. 672 00:37:05,015 --> 00:37:09,255 Luisa: You know, I'm older than my mom was when she recorded 673 00:37:09,255 --> 00:37:10,215 those tapes. 674 00:37:10,615 --> 00:37:11,335 Debra: Yes. 675 00:37:11,495 --> 00:37:14,455 Luisa: Yet, in a lot of ways, I still feel like a big baby. 676 00:37:15,530 --> 00:37:21,290 Debra: Trust me. That never goes away. Are you trying to find 677 00:37:21,290 --> 00:37:22,010 your father? 678 00:37:23,210 --> 00:37:29,065 Luisa: I don't know. Maybe. Is it weird that throughout the 679 00:37:29,065 --> 00:37:30,905 years, I never really thought about him? 680 00:37:31,225 --> 00:37:32,745 Debra: Why do you think that's weird? 681 00:37:33,225 --> 00:37:37,225 Luisa: I just feel like people in my situation who don't grow 682 00:37:37,225 --> 00:37:40,665 up with their biological parents, they tend to think 683 00:37:40,665 --> 00:37:45,570 about them, fantasize about them, romanticize them, and I've 684 00:37:45,570 --> 00:37:49,570 always, always thought about my mom, but I may have thought 685 00:37:49,570 --> 00:37:54,465 about my father a handful of times. Give me your professional 686 00:37:54,465 --> 00:37:57,025 opinion here. Am I a psychopath or something? 687 00:37:57,425 --> 00:38:03,825 Debra: I don't think that's the case. But maybe it's worth 688 00:38:03,825 --> 00:38:08,490 exploring what a fatherly figure means to you and who may have 689 00:38:08,490 --> 00:38:10,570 already fulfilled that role in your life. 690 00:38:11,370 --> 00:38:12,090 Luisa: Yeah. 691 00:38:12,410 --> 00:38:15,690 Debra: And look, it's perfectly okay if you do wanna find him 692 00:38:15,690 --> 00:38:17,930 now or if you don't. 693 00:38:18,250 --> 00:38:18,650 Luisa: Right. 694 00:38:20,905 --> 00:38:24,185 Debra: I would like to ask you a personal question that is a 695 00:38:24,185 --> 00:38:27,225 question for you to answer for yourself, not me. 696 00:38:27,225 --> 00:38:27,945 Luisa: Shoot. 697 00:38:28,505 --> 00:38:33,065 Debra: Have you ever considered working with a therapist to help 698 00:38:33,065 --> 00:38:35,145 process and unpack all of this? 699 00:38:35,540 --> 00:38:40,740 Luisa: Oh, I mean, I don't mind answering that for you. No. I 700 00:38:40,740 --> 00:38:44,100 haven't because I am a psychopath. 701 00:38:44,740 --> 00:38:49,140 Debra: Well, of course, I'm biased, but I encourage you to 702 00:38:49,140 --> 00:38:50,100 think about it. 703 00:38:50,260 --> 00:38:51,460 Luisa: Are you taking new clients? 704 00:38:52,475 --> 00:38:55,595 Debra: Yes. But you can't be one of them. It's unethical to work 705 00:38:55,595 --> 00:38:57,595 with anyone I have a personal connection to. 706 00:38:58,075 --> 00:39:01,275 Luisa: Yeah. But you already know a lot of the history, so I 707 00:39:01,275 --> 00:39:04,235 don't have to spend all that time and money retelling it to 708 00:39:04,235 --> 00:39:07,160 someone new, which is super convenient. 709 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:08,840 Debra: Convenience isn't 710 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:09,560 the goal. 711 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,560 Luisa: I suppose you're right. 712 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,160 Debra: So I think I'm starting to enjoy this boba. 713 00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:17,960 Luisa: Oh, yeah? 714 00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:18,600 Debra: Mhmm. 715 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,825 Luisa: The bosses at Big Boba will be so delighted. 716 00:39:21,825 --> 00:39:22,465 Debra: Mhmm. 717 00:39:29,025 --> 00:39:33,105 Sherry: Ugh, I hate poetry. I mean, I don't hate poetry. I 718 00:39:33,105 --> 00:39:36,490 just don't like this poetry class. I mean, I do like this 719 00:39:36,490 --> 00:39:40,010 class. It's just hard, I guess. 720

00:39:40,570 --> 00:39:44,490 Here, I was thinking, oh, yeah. Poetry. No problem. Easy street. 721 00:39:44,810 --> 00:39:46,490 Check off the elective box. 722 00:39:47,050 --> 00:39:52,685 But I'm no poet. We were given a simple assignment for this week, 723 00:39:52,685 --> 00:39:57,165 a simple four line stanza about anything. This should be easy. 724 00:39:57,165 --> 00:39:59,725 Right? But but I'm really struggling. 725 00:40:00,810 --> 00:40:09,530 This class is kicking my ass. God... Class... Ass... I guess I 726 00:40:09,530 --> 00:40:11,210 am a poet. I don't know. 727 00:40:13,765 --> 00:40:18,085 I keep rereading this poem we read in class, Chinatown Talking 728 00:40:18,085 --> 00:40:27,410 Story by Kitty Tsui. "Born into the skin of yellow women, we are 729 00:40:27,410 --> 00:40:34,610 born into the armor of warriors." I've never felt like 730 00:40:34,610 --> 00:40:40,235 a warrior. I've been forced to fight in ways that I didn't ever 731 00:40:40,235 --> 00:40:47,435 think I'd have to. Maybe that's the message, that it's inherent 732 00:40:47,435 --> 00:40:50,155 to us to have to fight all the time. 733 00:40:52,460 --> 00:40:56,460 This poem got me thinking about my mother. She was a fighter. 734 00:40:58,220 --> 00:41:02,940 Maybe if she had stayed, things would have been different. Maybe 735 00:41:02,940 --> 00:41:08,755 she wouldn't have let Patti be so awful. I don't know why this 736 00:41:08,755 --> 00:41:10,675 memory popped into my head earlier. 737 00:41:10,755 --> 00:41:15,155 I must have been a freshman in high school. I came home from 738 00:41:15,155 --> 00:41:17,715 school one day and Patti was waiting in the living room for 739 00:41:17,715 --> 00:41:23,760 me. And I'm thinking, here we go. And she's asking to see my 740 00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,480 report card, all authoritative like she is. So I said something 741 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:32,160 along the lines of, "no, that's for dad, not you." 742 00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,840 And I started to walk away and suddenly I'm getting yanked 743 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,795 back. She grabbed me by my ponytail, and now she's 744 00:41:38,795 --> 00:41:41,595 screaming, "Give me your report card, give me your report card!" 745 00:41:41,595 --> 00:41:45,515 like some lunatic. So I'm screaming, "No, no!" 746 00:41:46,075 --> 00:41:48,875 And we're basically yanking each other's hair out. And finally, I 747 00:41:48,875 --> 00:41:52,680 throw my book bag at her just to get her off of me, And her eyes, 748 00:41:53,240 --> 00:41:59,240 they were so wild, like she was possessed. She was hell bent on 749 00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:02,440 finding that report card, tearing through my bag, ripping 750 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,435 apart my folders and notebooks. And of course, she found it. 751 00:42:07,715 --> 00:42:08,435 God. 752 00:42:09,715 --> 00:42:13,395 The look of satisfaction on her face when she saw my grades, 753 00:42:14,435 --> 00:42:19,380 that they weren't perfect straight A's like hers. I'll 754 00:42:19,380 --> 00:42:23,140 never forget how she looked down at me and said, "You're just 755 00:42:23,140 --> 00:42:29,380 like her." That year was the first time I ever fantasized 756 00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:34,025 about killing myself. I've thought about it since, but not 757 00:42:34,025 --> 00:42:38,905 as much. I can't keep blaming Patti. 758 00:42:39,545 --> 00:42:47,610 She's changed. She's not a total monster. Funny enough, I think 759 00:42:47,610 --> 00:42:53,050 Patti was on to something. Maybe I am just like my mother. 760 00:42:54,650 --> 00:42:56,810 [hum-sings] She's never satisfied... 761 00:43:00,075 --> 00:43:03,995 I think that's why our dad fell in love with her. She was always 762 00:43:03,995 --> 00:43:10,315 just out of reach. Isn't that life, though? Falling for the 763 00:43:10,315 --> 00:43:16,080 ones who won't love us, can't love us, the way we love them. 764 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:24,720 Like Patti, she loves Jim so much, married him after just a 765 00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:25,600 few months of dating. 766 00:43:26,375 --> 00:43:31,495 All she wants is to make Jim happy. And Jim, well, he 767 00:43:31,495 --> 00:43:32,215 wants... 768 00:43:33,415 --> 00:43:33,975 me. 769 00:43:34,615 --> 00:43:35,655 Luisa: Wait. What? 770 00:43:35,975 --> 00:43:41,070 Sherry: God. Those two. They were made for each other. They 771 00:43:41,070 --> 00:43:47,230 both love to torture me. See, this is why I'm starting to 772 00:43:47,230 --> 00:43:48,430 believe in fate. 773 00:43:49,390 --> 00:43:56,805 Everything just feels out of my control. Ugh, it's late. I 774 00:43:56,805 --> 00:44:00,565 really gotta get going on this stupid poem. Coffee time. 775 00:44:05,365 --> 00:44:09,205 [singing] This is what it sounds like... when doves cry. 776 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,200 Credits Narrator: Babalu was created, written, and produced 777 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:21,880 by me, Kimberly Truong. Directed by Katharine Chen Lerner. Sound 778 00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:26,065 design, editing, and mixing by Charles Moody. With performances 779 00:44:26,065 --> 00:44:32,385 by Christine Liao, Jaxy Boyd, Circus-Szalewski, Chriselle 780 00:44:32,385 --> 00:44:38,705 Almeida, Kiera Nusbaum, Greg Smith, Varda Appleton, James 781 00:44:39,025 --> 00:44:44,910 III, Malia Macabeo, a very good boy named Gus, and Kimberly 782 00:44:44,910 --> 00:44:48,270 Truong. Theme music by Edith Mudge. 783 00:44:48,350 --> 00:44:52,430 Additional music by Manish Ayachit, Bernard Yin, and 784 00:44:52,430 --> 00:44:57,205 KipLMAO. Studio recording by Parker Silzer and David Stern. 785 00:44:57,365 --> 00:45:03,525 Artwork by Gabi Hawkins. Logo by Alex Bruno. A very special thank 786 00:45:03,525 --> 00:45:06,725 you to Liesl Lafferty and the Firecracker Department. 787 00:45:06,885 --> 00:45:11,530 Mari Meyer, Peter Byrnes, Victoria LaVilla, Brandon 788 00:45:11,530 --> 00:45:14,170 Beardsley, Hillary and the boys, 789 00:45:14,330 --> 00:45:17,770 Katie McCuen, and our incredible Kickstarter backers. 790 00:45:18,090 --> 00:45:21,050 Babalu is a production of Uneasy Tiger. 791 00:45:21,290 --> 00:45:26,165 For more info or to support this series, follow @UneasyTiger on 792 00:45:26,165 --> 00:45:30,245 Instagram or TikTok or visit uneasytiger.com. 793 00:45:30,485 --> 00:45:33,125 If you or someone you know is struggling with suicidal 794 00:45:33,125 --> 00:45:39,205 thoughts, please dial 988 or visit 988lifeline.org