Full Transcript for Could You Interview A Killer David Scott From Court TV Puts You Inside The Core Of Questioning

and we go out 38 00:02:11.319 --> 00:02:16.319 every time to try and increase the public knowledge of 39 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:19.639 these cases first and foremost that's our job as journalists, 40 00:02:20.520 --> 00:02:24.719 and to serve up some justice in the court of 41 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:25.719 public opinion. 42 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:28.960 What's really interesting about this is the fact that you 43 00:02:28.960 --> 00:02:31.960 have a story such as Adams and you go in 44 00:02:31.960 --> 00:02:34.360 there and I think the thing is is that ninety 45 00:02:34.360 --> 00:02:36.439 percent of us would like to be in that courtroom 46 00:02:36.520 --> 00:02:39.199 during that court case. But we're not going to get there, 47 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:43.039 but my god, David, you take us up close and personal. 48 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:45.759 We're not just sitting in a courtroom. We're sitting there 49 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:49.520 listening to vocal tones, to pitch, volume and tone. 50 00:02:49.759 --> 00:02:52.759 That's right, that's right. And you know, just the process 51 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:58.159 of entering the environment, right like you know the nether 52 00:02:58.280 --> 00:03:00.960 world that is the super max prison. You know, you 53 00:03:01.039 --> 00:03:04.360 walk in to what they call the sally port. You know, 54 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:07.240 it's an area about the size of a big elevator. 55 00:03:07.800 --> 00:03:11.879 One door doesn't open until the other one closes. That's 56 00:03:11.919 --> 00:03:17.599 like basically the portal to this nether world of prison. 57 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:21.919 And then as soon as you leave the portal, you 58 00:03:21.919 --> 00:03:26.159 see a sign that says no hostages beyond this point. Okay, well, 59 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:31.759 that's your final warning that if anything goes sideways, there's 60 00:03:31.800 --> 00:03:35.960 no rescue. There's no rescue coming for you. These are 61 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:42.039 combustible environments. You know, very often the inmates outnumber of guards, 62 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:46.159 you know, sometimes by forty to one, and the guards 63 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:50.159 are for the most part unarmed, policing the worst of 64 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:53.800 the worst. So you can imagine, you know, you could 65 00:03:53.840 --> 00:03:58.280 cut the tension with a knife in many of these places, 66 00:03:58.520 --> 00:04:03.000 and we have you know, very often exactly sixty second 67 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:07.360 sixty minutes, in which time we have to penetrate the 68 00:04:08.120 --> 00:04:11.319 killer's spin and defenses. 69 00:04:11.520 --> 00:04:12.360 Very often they. 70 00:04:12.199 --> 00:04:15.080 Come in with, you know, having told themselves and cultimate 71 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:20.720 reality of the case, and then penetrate their their heads. 72 00:04:21.279 --> 00:04:24.800 And you know, as a journalist, there's there's no greater

challenge. 73 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:30.279 But I'm convinced that there is a lot of public 74 00:04:30.360 --> 00:04:32.360 good to be learned. You know, if we want to 75 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:36.439 fight these crimes, then we have to understand them. 76 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:38.160 One of the things that I really pick off on 77 00:04:38.360 --> 00:04:41.160 immediately is the fact that it's like when you're sitting 78 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:44.319 down with somebody who has murdered and you are in 79 00:04:44.639 --> 00:04:46.720 the shoes that you're wearing the journalists. But I believe 80 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:49.560 you're more than that, because because you speak to wins 81 00:04:49.560 --> 00:04:52.519 that I can't hear. But the thing is, though, is 82 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:56.160 that it's two silent wolves together. You're both very much 83 00:04:56.319 --> 00:05:00.560 aware of facial expressions, body language, the m mysphere of 84 00:05:00.600 --> 00:05:03.959 where you're sitting, and it's like, man, that's two amazing 85 00:05:04.120 --> 00:05:07.600 energies meeting in one room. Is it trust or is 86 00:05:07.639 --> 00:05:09.639 it our I'm going to play a game of chess 87 00:05:09.639 --> 00:05:10.879 with you, and I'm going to see if I can 88 00:05:10.920 --> 00:05:12.600 win it. 89 00:05:12.600 --> 00:05:14.920 It's chess. Very often it is chess. 90 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:18.959 Once in a while we get a killer who's really 91 00:05:19.040 --> 00:05:24.160 ready to come clean. I interviewed a you know, a 92 00:05:24.240 --> 00:05:27.360 thirty year old man in Florida last year who, when 93 00:05:27.399 --> 00:05:31.720 he was seventeen inexplicably bludgeoned both of his parents with 94 00:05:32.240 --> 00:05:35.839 a hammer. Now, at thirty, he's looking back at his 95 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:38.680 teenage self and trying to make sense of it. 96 00:05:39.160 --> 00:05:40.160 Well, he's you. 97 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:43.879 Know, he is now really trying to bear his soul 98 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:49.079 for his own purposes. He's trying to understand his own behavior. 99 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:52.800 So that becomes one kind of conversation where the person 100 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:54.920 is essentially revealing themselves. 101 00:05:55.160 --> 00:05:57.439 Then on the other end of the spectrum. 102 00:05:57.279 --> 00:06:00.160 You know, we have people who deny their crimes even 103 00:06:00.160 --> 00:06:04.800 though their guilt is certain, and in that case we 104 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:08.680 work very hard to expose them. It takes about one 105 00:06:08.720 --> 00:06:12.000 hundred hours to prepare for one of these interviews. I 106 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:16.680 know everything that is knowable when I walk into that room, 107 00:06:17.240 --> 00:06:21.160 and that's also part of the essential formula, because you know, 108 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:26.920 they've been telling themselves an alternate story of these crimes

very. 109 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:29.519 Often, you know, for years and years and years. 110 00:06:29.839 --> 00:06:32.319 I need to know every detail so that I can 111 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:36.560 unspin the spin and that's the chess part that you're 112 00:06:36.600 --> 00:06:37.199 talking about. 113 00:06:37.399 --> 00:06:39.680 Yeah, but you know, it still takes courage and confidence 114 00:06:39.680 --> 00:06:41.279 to be able to look at the notes that you've 115 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:43.639 got or the research that you put into it. You 116 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:46.000 said one hundred hours into it, I mean, and to 117 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:48.519 be able to look at whatever you put on that page, 118 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:50.879 and you've got to trust it because who you were 119 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:53.560 in that research and who you are in that interview 120 00:06:53.680 --> 00:06:54.959 two completely different people. 121 00:06:56.120 --> 00:06:58.000 Yes, well that's true, that's true. 122 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:00.759 It's you know, and this is where you know it. 123 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:03.120 The stakes are so high. You know, there are a 124 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:07.079 lot of TV shows that are composed of multiple elements. 125 00:07:07.199 --> 00:07:11.079 This is a show that really is about the interview, 126 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:14.360 and and so the interview goes sideways. We don't have 127 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:17.959 a show, and it's a lot of pressure on the team. 128 00:07:18.600 --> 00:07:21.399 Usually they let you know, just three of us in myself, 129 00:07:21.439 --> 00:07:25.519 a photographer, and a producer, and we are you know, 130 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:28.720 we're we're almost holding our breaths the whole time that 131 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:29.959 that you know that the thing. 132 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:32.879 Comes comes off because so many things can. 133 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:36.839 Can can go wrong, and do we've we've lost interviews, 134 00:07:37.319 --> 00:07:42.120 you know, because the perpetrator you know, checks with his lawyer, 135 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:45.920 or checks with his psychiatrist, or does something stupid and 136 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:50.759 gets put in in confinement or something else happens in 137 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:54.160 the prison, and you know, and there's a security threat. 138 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:57.720 There's so many things that that that can go wrong, 139 00:07:58.680 --> 00:08:02.160 and and and we, you know, we we navigate around 140 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:05.720 those things because we think, we think it's important to 141 00:08:06.399 --> 00:08:10.839 engage with the perpetrator of these crimes so that we 142 00:08:10.839 --> 00:08:12.120 can better understand them. 143 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:15.439 Please do not move. There's more with David Scott coming 144 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:19.720 up next. Court TV is the place to be. The 145 00:08:19.759 --> 00:08:23.160 show is called Interview with a Killer. We are back 146 00:08:23.360 --> 00:08:26.079 with David Scott. It's so interesting when you when you 147 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:28.519 talk about when when interviews go wrong, because I call 148 00:08:28.600 --> 00:08:31.600 that a missed opportunity. In fact, I've turned that into 149 00:08:31.680 --> 00:08:34.919 an iHeartRadio show because it's like, Okay, if I don't 150 00:08:34.960 --> 00:08:39.000 have their answers, I'm still gonna give the world my questions, 151 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:41.320 and god dang if I wouldn't, I would love to 152 00:08:41.360 --> 00:08:43.360 hear this from you. I would love to know what 153 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:45.600 your research is. I don't have to have the answers. 154 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:48.200 I want to know what you found so that I 155 00:08:48.200 --> 00:08:51.120 can sit there and inside my imagination I can sit 156 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:53.000 there and go, this is how they would have answered it. 157 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:56.559 Oh yeah, man, give David kudos on this one. 158 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:00.679 Well, you know what, You're absolutely right. 159 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:04.279 Sometimes the questions are are better than the answers, more 160 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:09.840 revealing than the answers, but still the process of questioning right, 161 00:09:09.919 --> 00:09:13.200 and how they'll respond to the questioning, you know, even 162 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:16.240 if they have no no intention of telling the truth, 163 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:20.519 how they respond to the questioning is really what's revealing. 164 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:22.039 And uh. 165 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:24.279 And you know this is where TV becomes a kind 166 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:27.879 of lie detector. And you know, we ultimately will let 167 00:09:27.919 --> 00:09:30.799 the viewers decide what they what they think, you know, 168 00:09:30.960 --> 00:09:35.519 is Adam Williams religious epiphany, you know, genuine or not. 169 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:38.639 We'll let you know. We'll let you, guys decide what 170 00:09:38.440 --> 00:09:41.159 what what you think. Our job is to. 171 00:09:41.120 --> 00:09:45.879 Go in there and and you know, boldly confront them 172 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:49.840 with with the with the questions. And you know, there's 173 00:09:49.919 --> 00:09:53.559 there's too little of that left on on on on. 174 00:09:53.600 --> 00:09:56.200 TV and in in in my view. 175 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:58.440 And and that's you know, one of the reasons I'm 176 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:01.279 doing this show is that it really it takes place 177 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:04.240 to some of my strength and you know, a career 178 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:08.720 full of interviewing dictators and politicians and you know, all 179 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:10.720 manner of man. It turned out to be very good 180 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:15.559 preparation for

facing this this community of interview subjects. 181 00:10:15.960 --> 00:10:17.559 How do you keep your stuff together? And the reason 182 00:10:17.559 --> 00:10:19.720 why I bring that up is because you know the 183 00:10:19.799 --> 00:10:22.320 story of Adam and him confessing that he found Jesus 184 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:24.960 in prison. Immediately took me to my brother who said 185 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:28.360 the same exact thing, except I didn't hold back. I 186 00:10:28.360 --> 00:10:30.000 looked at him and said, you mean to tell me 187 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:32.600 that I've been taking notes every single Sunday, tithing every 188 00:10:32.639 --> 00:10:35.480 Sunday in my community, every single week, every day, and 189 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:37.720 you find God in prison. But yet I'm out here 190 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:39.960 busting my tale every day and I have to sit 191 00:10:40.039 --> 00:10:43.039 here in question. And so but man, if you did 192 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:44.840 something like that, you'd piss him off, wouldn't you. 193 00:10:46.240 --> 00:10:49.679 Well, you know I have I have. I'm a human being. 194 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:53.039 I have lots of emotions. I have lots of anger. 195 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:56.799 But but you know, but you do learn as a journalist, 196 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:02.159 you know, a discipline to some people call it compartmentalizing. Right, 197 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:05.240 So when we go in the room, it's all about 198 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:07.879 getting you know, it's all about what we what we 199 00:11:08.000 --> 00:11:10.440 need to make the show work, which is we need 200 00:11:10.480 --> 00:11:13.639 to get inside their head and so so very you know, 201 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:16.360 it takes some dial I don't come in, I don't. 202 00:11:16.480 --> 00:11:20.159 I don't come in swinging, you know, I come in. 203 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:22.679 The first part of the interview is generally, you know, 204 00:11:23.360 --> 00:11:27.279 a very sort of mild mannered, convious, you know, probing 205 00:11:27.399 --> 00:11:31.080 of the person's background, because in the background there are 206 00:11:31.240 --> 00:11:35.639 almost always poor tends of the crime to come right. 207 00:11:36.639 --> 00:11:38.840 And and so we you know, we start with that 208 00:11:39.600 --> 00:11:42.840 and uh, and then we ratchet up the pressure and 209 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:48.799 you know, ultimately, once once the killer has you know, 210 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:51.960 sufficiently talked to me through the TikTok of the crime 211 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:55.320 and their backstory, ultimately, you know, we we do hit 212 00:11:55.360 --> 00:12:00.919 them with with some some very uncomfortable questions. But but yeah, 213 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:04.440 it is the it is the process that that that 214 00:12:04.759 --> 00:12:08.080 reveals and and and it is this process that really 215 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:11.039 is the spine of our show and what makes it. 216 00:12:11.360 --> 00:12:14.320 Different and basically everything else in the true crime genre. 217 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:17.320 Don't you think it's because we as viewers want to 218 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:19.960 see them sweat, we want to see them wiggle, we 219 00:12:20.000 --> 00:12:23.120 want to see them get so uncomfortable because they made 220 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:26.200 a lot of families and communities uncomfortable with what they did. 221 00:12:26.440 --> 00:12:28.720 I want to see them sweat right there in front 222 00:12:28.759 --> 00:12:28.919 of you. 223 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:32.320 Yes, I think that's I think that's fair. 224 00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:36.399 I think you know, you know, our viewers want justice, 225 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:40.679 and our our job is to is to hold these 226 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:45.639 people to account and U and you know a lot 227 00:12:45.679 --> 00:12:48.559 of people don't like to ask uncomfortable questions. 228 00:12:48.759 --> 00:12:51.879 I happen to have something of a talent for it, 229 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:53.519 as do you. 230 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:59.080 But but you know, but this is really an exercise 231 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:04.120 and journalism and accountability. And as I say, you know, 232 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:06.879 we're trying to serve up some justice in the court 233 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:11.120 of public opinion. We don't have the kind of constraints 234 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:14.279 that the court of law has. We can probe about, 235 00:13:14.639 --> 00:13:17.759 you know, prior crimes in a way that is often 236 00:13:17.799 --> 00:13:24.720 inadmissible in in in court trials. And and you know, 237 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:27.879 we will go so far beyond the record, essentially conducting 238 00:13:27.960 --> 00:13:31.799 our own background investigation so that we, you know, we 239 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:35.440 can really put the screws to them when when we 240 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:35.879 need to. 241 00:13:36.480 --> 00:13:40.000 How do you keep the inside of your investigative reporting clean? 242 00:13:40.039 --> 00:13:41.840 And what I mean by that is is the fact 243 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:44.679 that I've always been told my entire life, if you 244 00:13:44.759 --> 00:13:48.080 surround yourself with evil, you then become evil. And I 245 00:13:48.120 --> 00:13:50.320 sit here, and I'm David. I'm sitting here thinking, how 246 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:53.519 are you talking to all of these killers? And their 247 00:13:53.639 --> 00:13:57.519 evilness is not seeping into your ears, your nose, your eyes. 248 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:01.200 Well, it does seep in, does seep in? 249 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:05.039 And uh and and trust me and my psyche is 250 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:09.399 working over time to process the horrible all the horrible 251 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:13.759 details of this. You know, harder

than harder than than 252 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:20.039 than facing the killers is living with you know, all 253 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:23.440 of the imprints of the crime scene photos and the 254 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:27.320 gory details, and you know, and all the the the 255 00:14:27.360 --> 00:14:32.080 information that that you absorbed in the preparation process. You know, 256 00:14:32.159 --> 00:14:35.279 that's the stuff that's hard to that's that's really hard 257 00:14:35.320 --> 00:14:38.799 to live down. I still see in my in my 258 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:42.320 mind's eye, you know, these images, like you know, the 259 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:45.159 first interview I did was the honor killing, the so 260 00:14:45.320 --> 00:14:48.000 called honor killing of two teenage girls by their own 261 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:49.399 father in Texas. 262 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:52.000 And and I'll never forget. 263 00:14:52.919 --> 00:14:56.440 I'll never forget the sound of you know, the teenage 264 00:14:56.440 --> 00:15:00.279 girl's voices she's you know, using her last breath to to. 265 00:15:00.240 --> 00:15:02.519 Call nine to one one, Or the way. 266 00:15:02.399 --> 00:15:06.440 That her slight figure slumped down in the taxi cab 267 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:10.519 after he after he shot them I mean they're they're 268 00:15:10.559 --> 00:15:14.000 you know, my, my, my, my. Psyche works over time 269 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:18.360 to process this stuff. But but you know, that's the 270 00:15:18.360 --> 00:15:21.000 stuff that that's hard to. 271 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:21.759 It's hard to live down. 272 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:25.799 You know, all the glory details where the devil does 273 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:31.080 as well. And and you know, we're our minds are 274 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:37.600 are are infinitely elastic, and so we're able to, you know, 275 00:15:37.759 --> 00:15:43.919 somehow live with all of this tumult. But but I'm 276 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:47.200 well aware of the price that that I'm personally paying 277 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:50.039 to to bring these stories to the to the audience. 278 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:54.440 I just believe there's a greater good involved in and 279 00:15:54.559 --> 00:15:59.600 that it's worth, you know, taking a metaphorical bullet war. 280 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:02.480 But when you have a story that includes Rachel Wade, 281 00:16:02.720 --> 00:16:05.159 I mean the inner father in me would sit there 282 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:10.080 and say, Rachel teenager, love triangle, it was all there. 283 00:16:10.200 --> 00:16:12.279 You've seen it on Dynasty, You've seen it on General 284 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:15.360 Hospital when there's a love triangle. We're in trouble and 285 00:16:15.440 --> 00:16:16.600 you got in trouble. 286 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:21.600 Yeah, well, you know, your heart does go out to 287 00:16:22.480 --> 00:16:27.039 people like the parents of a teenager who does such. 288

00:16:26.840 --> 00:16:27.639 A terrible thing. 289 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:33.120 Fin all accounts, Rachel Wade's parents were lovely people, were 290 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:37.879 good parents. They tried very very hard in those early 291 00:16:38.000 --> 00:16:41.519 teenage years when she kind of lost her mind. And 292 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:44.320 I mean I think I think they called her. They 293 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:48.080 called the police on her thirty times she ran away, 294 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:52.840 and you know they're sitting in the courtroom. You could 295 00:16:52.840 --> 00:16:58.240 see their hearts are broken. So and as a parent, 296 00:16:58.360 --> 00:17:02.279 you know, look, I mean, you have kids, you have teenagers. 297 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:05.400 You learn that the teenage brain can can do some 298 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:07.839 you know, very strange things. 299 00:17:08.400 --> 00:17:13.519 We've seen it on this show. Uh, And you know, your. 300 00:17:13.319 --> 00:17:16.680 Heart, your heart does go out to the part of 301 00:17:16.759 --> 00:17:20.119 the you know, of of the community that has changed 302 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:23.720 forever by these crimes. You know, are the relatives of 303 00:17:23.839 --> 00:17:27.000 the of the the killers that have to now live 304 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:27.359 with it. 305 00:17:27.480 --> 00:17:30.119 They have to live with it. Also, you know, this. 306 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:32.799 Is like a new age of horror, only because I 307 00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:36.599 do feel it. It's like when Tom Schneider he interviewed 308 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:39.960 you know, Charles Manson, I to this day feel the 309 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:42.759 horror in my heart and and and so when I 310 00:17:42.799 --> 00:17:45.000 see this kind of stuff and you're talking with with 311 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:48.319 someone you know, like like the code killer Benjamin, it's 312 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:50.680 freaking me out, but I can't tune out. 313 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:55.839 Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's grim stuff. It's dark stuff, 314 00:17:55.920 --> 00:17:58.799 but it's interesting stuff. And I think you know, people 315 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:03.680 are naturally fast by these crimes. This is the ultimate 316 00:18:03.799 --> 00:18:07.279 betrayal of humanity. How could anyone do it? They are 317 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:12.440 unthinkable crimes. It's impossible to imagine yourself, you know, doing 318 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:16.799 doing virtually you know any of them. But but you know, 319 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:21.000 we we have a need to understand it. I mean, 320 00:18:21.039 --> 00:18:22.839 think of it in the in the scripted, in the 321 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:27.640 fictional context. You know, everyone's fascinated by murder. Like most sitcoms, 322 00:18:27.680 --> 00:18:31.480 most comedies, most you know, novels seem to to turn 323 00:18:31.680 --> 00:18:37.039 on on on crimes like these, and and and everybody 324 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:40.839 is engaging with with with that subject matter in the 325 00:18:40.960 --> 00:18:44.920 in the in the scripted, fictional context. But the true 326 00:18:44.920 --> 00:18:48.640 crime audience, you know, they they go, they go further. 327 00:18:48.759 --> 00:18:50.880 They want to they want it to be real. They're 328 00:18:50.920 --> 00:18:53.960 not afraid to face the you know, the the dark 329 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:57.960 reaches of the human mind. In fact, you know, they're 330 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:02.200 compelled to understand it. And and you know, those are 331 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:03.839 the people that. 332 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:05.000 Were that were really programming for. 333 00:19:06.119 --> 00:19:07.920 You know, but you don't have to be a hardcore 334 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:11.799 food crime fan to to I think you know, appreciate 335 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:17.920 and and enjoy the show's it's full of insights about 336 00:19:17.920 --> 00:19:22.400 the human condition, and and those insights I think are 337 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:23.440 our universal. 338 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:26.279 Well, you are definitely not an armchair quarterback, dude. I 339 00:19:26.319 --> 00:19:28.160 mean you definitely get into this game and you put 340 00:19:28.160 --> 00:19:30.240 that ball down there in the one yard line and score. 341 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:32.680 I mean you really have with this brand new season. 342 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:35.519 My god, thank you so much. 343 00:19:35.640 --> 00:19:39.799 Really appreciate the encouragement. And you know, long as long 344 00:19:39.799 --> 00:19:42.079 as folks slots, we'll keep trying to do it. 345 00:19:42.119 --> 00:19:43.640 Well, you got to come back to the show anytime 346 00:19:43.640 --> 00:19:45.799 in the future. Twenty minutes with you, David is not enough. 347 00:19:45.799 --> 00:19:48.039 We haven't even scratched the surface yet. But we're going 348 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:48.680 to get I. 349 00:19:48.680 --> 00:19:51.960 Know, all right, sounds sounds good, sounds good. 350 00:19:52.240 --> 00:19:53.640 Will you be brilliant today? 351 00:19:53.640 --> 00:19:56.920 Okay, thank you so much, really appreciate it.