Full Transcript for Guillermo del Toro

super eights and even on other 84 00:03:37.930 --> 00:03:41.789 16 and all that. And algebra. Algebra, I was a 85 00:03:41.870 --> 00:03:44.689 whiz kid for a year. Yes. And now I don't 86 00:03:44.710 --> 00:03:45.870 know even what it means. 87 00:03:46.189 --> 00:03:46.849 You have two daughters? 88 00:03:47.229 --> 00:03:47.409 Yeah. 89 00:03:47.909 --> 00:03:49.879 Did you have to help them with math and go, wait, 90 00:03:49.960 --> 00:03:51.280 hold on, I'm supposed to be good at this? 91 00:03:51.340 --> 00:03:54.759 No, because I think each generation does less and less 92 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:58.400 of those operational things. Yeah. You know, like math. When 93 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:00.909 I was a kid, It was a huge breakthrough when 94 00:04:00.930 --> 00:04:03.710 they allowed your calculator in the classroom. Oh, sure. 95 00:04:03.729 --> 00:04:05.210 For like trigonometry or something? 96 00:04:05.229 --> 00:04:07.550 They said, oh, that's cheating. I remember I had a 97 00:04:07.629 --> 00:04:08.569 Texas instrument. 98 00:04:08.669 --> 00:04:11.330 Sure. It's big boy too, right? 99 00:04:11.389 --> 00:04:15.169 Yeah. The bigger, the better. It was a huge debate. 100 00:04:15.310 --> 00:04:17.459 There was no Internet or it would have been a 101 00:04:17.509 --> 00:04:18.129 huge point. 102 00:04:18.209 --> 00:04:21.279 Well, my kids are in sixth and eighth grade. And 103 00:04:21.319 --> 00:04:23.579 so now, of course, the big debate is when and 104 00:04:23.779 --> 00:04:26.699 where can they use AI? It'd be kind of insane 105 00:04:26.740 --> 00:04:29.579 to think they shouldn't become adept at using it because 106 00:04:29.620 --> 00:04:31.779 it'll be a tool they will use. But it's like, yeah, 107 00:04:31.980 --> 00:04:32.519 when and where? 108 00:04:32.980 --> 00:04:36.250 Well, I think the debate for me is not what 109 00:04:36.350 --> 00:04:39.189 happens to the technology, but what happens to the human brain. 110 00:04:39.769 --> 00:04:40.769 While using it, right? 111 00:04:40.829 --> 00:04:44.009 Well, for example, I'll give you one thing we all live, GPS. 112 00:04:44.189 --> 00:04:46.889 You live in LA for 20, 30 years, whatever. And 113 00:04:47.189 --> 00:04:49.509 if you start relying on GPS to go. 114 00:04:49.420 --> 00:04:50.399 Home, Yes. 115 00:04:50.480 --> 00:04:51.980 That's me. You should stop. 116 00:04:52.000 --> 00:04:52.939 That's me. 117 00:04:53.060 --> 00:04:55.379 I can't get anywhere. I can't get to his house, 118 00:04:55.420 --> 00:04:58.480 and I live right down there without it. I need it. 119 00:04:58.579 --> 00:05:00.959 The other day, in the opening of the Lucas Museum, 120 00:05:01.199 --> 00:05:05.060 George very pointedly said, I want the name of the work, 121 00:05:05.540 --> 00:05:07.579 the medium of the work, the author, and the year. 122 00:05:07.779 --> 00:05:10.980 That's it. It's because now we walk with context on 123 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:13.579 our pocket. You want to know more? I don't have 124 00:05:13.620 --> 00:05:15.459 to tell you if it's a good piece of art 125 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:18.759 or a bad piece of art. You judge it. And 126 00:05:18.779 --> 00:05:21.120 you want context, pull out your phone. I mean, that's 127 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:25.319 good for me. Can we foster thought, not results, thought? 128 00:05:25.720 --> 00:05:29.060 Yes, I think we underestimate the joy there was to 129 00:05:29.110 --> 00:05:31.089 be had when you were trying to figure something out. 130 00:05:31.209 --> 00:05:34.250 Well, you know, like I brought my notes for Pan's Labyrinth. 131 00:05:35.310 --> 00:05:35.689 You did? 132 00:05:35.769 --> 00:05:41.410 Because I think the process is what's worth it. Not 133 00:05:41.470 --> 00:05:45.350 the result. If we understand that, we understand that the 134 00:05:45.430 --> 00:05:49.379 shortcut is not giving you something, it's robbing you of something. 135 00:05:49.540 --> 00:05:53.360 I'm talking purely as what makes us human. Anytime you 136 00:05:53.639 --> 00:05:56.620 skip the process, you are not cheating on someone, you're 137 00:05:56.639 --> 00:05:59.360 cheating on yourself. You really are robbing yourself of it. 138 00:05:59.459 --> 00:06:02.250 You know, the difference between winning the lottery and having 139 00:06:02.370 --> 00:06:03.000 created a widget. 140 00:06:03.019 --> 00:06:04.319 My dad won the lottery. I know. 141 00:06:04.620 --> 00:06:06.689 I'm planting that seed. 142 00:06:06.730 --> 00:06:09.629 Six million dollars. In 1969. Hold on. 143 00:06:09.649 --> 00:06:11.610 We'll earmark that. I do want to tell you, I 144 00:06:11.670 --> 00:06:15.110 did reach out to Josh Brolin to ask him about you. 145 00:06:15.129 --> 00:06:16.750 And do you know what he told me? He said 146 00:06:16.790 --> 00:06:19.230 his favorite thing about you is having gotten to look 147 00:06:19.350 --> 00:06:20.350 at your journals. 148 00:06:20.589 --> 00:06:21.509 That is one of those. 149 00:06:21.670 --> 00:06:24.230 Yeah. So I feel very excited because he was just 150 00:06:24.269 --> 00:06:25.750 telling me how spectacular they are. 151 00:06:26.129 --> 00:06:27.250 This is a relic. 152 00:06:27.649 --> 00:06:30.939 That's a reward page in case I lose it. 153 00:06:31.269 --> 00:06:34.339 Oh my God. Wait, you drew this? 154 00:06:34.779 --> 00:06:35.819 Yeah. 155 00:06:37.579 --> 00:06:41.800 How much time is in these two pages? Well, not much, maybe. 156 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:44.139 Three, four hours, but they can happen three weeks or 157 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:48.129 four months apart. Oh. I only write when there's something 158 00:06:48.230 --> 00:06:51.959 worth to consigning. And after The Hobbit, I stopped carrying 159 00:06:51.980 --> 00:06:55.000 them because I couldn't lose notes on The Hobbit. 160 00:06:55.300 --> 00:06:56.610 Oh, my gosh. I'm holding this up. 161 00:06:56.730 --> 00:06:59.089 I feel, yeah. 162 00:06:59.129 --> 00:07:00.910 I'm

embarrassed to tell you how much I would pay 163 00:07:00.930 --> 00:07:01.509 to own this. 164 00:07:01.550 --> 00:07:04.089 I was about to say, I feel like we shouldn't 165 00:07:04.110 --> 00:07:05.009 be holding it. 166 00:07:05.069 --> 00:07:05.389 I know. 167 00:07:05.730 --> 00:07:06.670 We're not worthy of this. 168 00:07:06.689 --> 00:07:08.259 I thought it would be nice to bring it. 169 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:12.279 Oh, it's beautiful. Oh, my gosh, Monica. I want you 170 00:07:12.300 --> 00:07:13.540 to feel the pages, too. 171 00:07:13.560 --> 00:07:13.839 I want them. 172 00:07:14.259 --> 00:07:16.980 Oh, my goodness. Did you draw this? Yes, of course. 173 00:07:17.660 --> 00:07:19.220 Years before pirates, I must say. 174 00:07:19.240 --> 00:07:21.000 I cannot believe this. 175 00:07:21.259 --> 00:07:24.470 Oh, my. That was a note for Mountains of Madness. 176 00:07:25.230 --> 00:07:26.860 This was going to be a question at the very end, 177 00:07:26.889 --> 00:07:29.079 but I need to ask it now. Are you friendly 178 00:07:29.100 --> 00:07:30.279 at all with Tim Burton? 179 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:33.240 No, we've never met. You've never met. We've never met. 180 00:07:33.300 --> 00:07:37.170 I mean, I know his influences. He comes from Edward Gorey, 181 00:07:37.250 --> 00:07:40.970 Charles Adams. I mean, I can trace his roots. 182 00:07:41.189 --> 00:07:42.730 I can't believe you've never met him. 183 00:07:42.889 --> 00:07:45.470 No, actually, I think that is very risky to meet 184 00:07:45.589 --> 00:07:48.750 someone that you have X in common. I've had that, like, 185 00:07:49.009 --> 00:07:51.930 people that you have 90% in common and 70% in common. 186 00:07:52.350 --> 00:07:55.430 Where you disagree, you're going to hate each other. 187 00:07:55.490 --> 00:07:56.050 Sure, sure, sure. 188 00:07:56.069 --> 00:07:58.629 Where you disagree, you're going to go, no, there's no conciliation. 189 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:00.480 We had an expert on the other day. You would 190 00:08:00.500 --> 00:08:03.040 know this because you love fantasy. But did you know C.S. 191 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:06.100 Lewis and Tolkien hated each other? 192 00:08:06.180 --> 00:08:06.540 Yeah, well. 193 00:08:06.600 --> 00:08:07.860 For a period at Cambridge. 194 00:08:07.879 --> 00:08:09.579 They disliked each other. They were too close. 195 00:08:09.980 --> 00:08:12.300 One was an atheist. One was a Christian. 196 00:08:12.500 --> 00:08:15.509 And a Christian that took great pains to get there. 197 00:08:16.170 --> 00:08:16.990 I may add, I mean. 198 00:08:17.230 --> 00:08:18.310 Bent over backwards. 199 00:08:18.370 --> 00:08:20.689 Yeah, he had to convince himself. 200 00:08:21.009 --> 00:08:22.439 Yeah, contorted himself. 201 00:08:22.449 --> 00:08:25.220 Yeah, so, you know, it's like when you took years 202 00:08:25.259 --> 00:08:26.879 to convince yourself of something. 203 00:08:27.100 --> 00:08:27.379 Yeah. 204 00:08:27.439 --> 00:08:29.100 You don't

give it up that easily. Yeah, yeah. 205 00:08:29.160 --> 00:08:31.660 Well, it's now part of your identity. And it feels 206 00:08:31.699 --> 00:08:35.000 threatening to your identity. Your world will explode. Yeah. But 207 00:08:35.019 --> 00:08:38.889 to find out that they also hated and loved opposite poets. 208 00:08:39.730 --> 00:08:42.429 And then I think it was C.S. Lewis hosted a 209 00:08:42.690 --> 00:08:45.029 Norse mythology reading session. 210 00:08:45.049 --> 00:08:45.830 Oh, my God. Yes. 211 00:08:46.210 --> 00:08:50.049 And then Tolkien attended. And then they fell in love. 212 00:08:50.669 --> 00:08:52.750 And they both encouraged each other to pursue fantasy. 213 00:08:52.809 --> 00:08:56.210 I was going to say, later they did coalesce into one. 214 00:08:56.289 --> 00:08:59.730 And look, the high bound nature of academia is brutal. 215 00:09:00.070 --> 00:09:05.820 It's catty. Yeah, yeah, right. Here are actors, comedians, magicians, 216 00:09:07.000 --> 00:09:11.220 and scholars, all very catty. Like I'm friends with a 217 00:09:11.259 --> 00:09:14.179 lot of magicians. There's not a single magician that has 218 00:09:14.370 --> 00:09:16.730 ever spoken highly of another magician. 219 00:09:16.750 --> 00:09:17.190 Oh, that's funny. 220 00:09:18.169 --> 00:09:18.929 Or comedians. 221 00:09:19.269 --> 00:09:21.370 Well, if they die, they can. They can like Houdini. 222 00:09:23.789 --> 00:09:24.409 Not a threat. 223 00:09:24.470 --> 00:09:25.690 They don't have a show opening. 224 00:09:25.730 --> 00:09:27.590 They don't have to share any attention with them. 225 00:09:27.629 --> 00:09:29.450 Yeah, but academia is very catty. 226 00:09:29.649 --> 00:09:31.610 But you know, I'll say an exception to that, which 227 00:09:31.669 --> 00:09:34.600 is stand-ups, you're right. Stand-up comedians are brutal. I did 228 00:09:34.620 --> 00:09:37.940 stand-up for a while. But sketch comedians, that's where I'm from. 229 00:09:38.120 --> 00:09:38.620 That's different. 230 00:09:38.679 --> 00:09:39.500 We do love each other. 231 00:09:39.539 --> 00:09:40.799 Because a lot of it is writing. 232 00:09:41.590 --> 00:09:44.789 It's writing, it's relying on one another, it's eating shit together, 233 00:09:44.909 --> 00:09:45.600 it's succeeding together. 234 00:09:45.620 --> 00:09:46.919 You can be in a writer's room together. 235 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:48.080 It starts communal. 236 00:09:48.220 --> 00:09:48.519 It is. 237 00:09:49.340 --> 00:09:52.840 And I think that you find in academia, for example, 238 00:09:53.360 --> 00:09:57.269 I love reading Nabokov's writing. I disagree with 90% of 239 00:09:57.309 --> 00:09:59.309 his opinions about other writers. 240 00:09:59.330 --> 00:09:59.950 Uh-huh. 241 00:10:00.120 --> 00:10:02.820 You don't have to agree with that because it's what 242 00:10:02.860 --> 00:10:06.299 you did with what you were given as a legacy. 243 00:10:06.419 --> 00:10:09.700 Like Burton, I can see the Gorey, the Edward Gorey 244 00:10:09.899 --> 00:10:11.659 in him or the Charles Adams in him. 245 00:10:11.820 --> 00:10:12.059 Right. 246 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:14.019 But what he did with that or the Dr. Seuss 247 00:10:14.090 --> 00:10:17.230 or the way he transmogrifies that. Yes, yes. It's interesting, 248 00:10:17.250 --> 00:10:19.570 but it would be very different than the way you 249 00:10:19.990 --> 00:10:22.350 metabolize and it becomes part of your being. 250 00:10:22.529 --> 00:10:26.539 I just know this Particular part of your workflow is 251 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:30.389 also very similar to his, right? He's just endlessly drawing 252 00:10:30.450 --> 00:10:32.909 and writing, even while engaging with people. 253 00:10:33.110 --> 00:10:35.950 It became less so for me. The most copious notes 254 00:10:36.049 --> 00:10:38.850 I took is before I could make movies. The more 255 00:10:38.909 --> 00:10:41.590 you have a team, the more you say, well, Guy 256 00:10:41.629 --> 00:10:44.330 Davis is draws a hundred times better than I do, 257 00:10:44.409 --> 00:10:46.789 or Francisco Ruiz, or you learn to rely on the 258 00:10:46.830 --> 00:10:47.809 people that you work with. 259 00:10:48.090 --> 00:10:48.389 Right. 260 00:10:48.549 --> 00:10:50.269 Every movie has a book like this? 261 00:10:50.590 --> 00:10:53.269 It started with whole books for each movie, and then 262 00:10:53.309 --> 00:10:56.049 it went into 50 pages for each movie, and then 263 00:10:56.090 --> 00:10:58.259 three pages for each movie. Because the more you have 264 00:10:58.299 --> 00:11:00.440 a team. Right. I mean, like I do a thing 265 00:11:00.460 --> 00:11:04.139 called The Submarine, which is six to nine months before 266 00:11:04.179 --> 00:11:07.549 the movie starts. I hired three or four, almost always 267 00:11:07.610 --> 00:11:11.179 the same designers, and we go deep. Before we hire 268 00:11:11.220 --> 00:11:14.500 production design, before we hire costume design, we dive deep 269 00:11:14.580 --> 00:11:17.399 into the shapes, the colors, the this and that, and 270 00:11:17.659 --> 00:11:19.039 then I draw a list. 271 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:21.759 Really quick, what is the end product of that session? 272 00:11:21.899 --> 00:11:22.990 Is it storyboards? 273 00:11:23.009 --> 00:11:26.490 Yeah, no, it's mostly the main concepts, the main tenets 274 00:11:26.570 --> 00:11:29.700 of the movie, like Shapes, for example. The rules. The rules. 275 00:11:30.129 --> 00:11:32.419 And then you hire people, and if they want to 276 00:11:32.460 --> 00:11:35.490 break them, you say, why? Because I've thought about it. 277 00:11:35.740 --> 00:11:39.200 Not that you don't foster dissent. You do. But you say, 278 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:41.370 you got to really convince me. 279 00:11:41.490 --> 00:11:42.669 Yeah, because we thought this through. 280 00:11:42.850 --> 00:11:44.710 I think that, like, when I go to a set 281 00:11:44.789 --> 00:11:49.009 and I see something is not done

properly, I say, 282 00:11:49.330 --> 00:11:50.570 you thought I wouldn't notice? 283 00:11:50.629 --> 00:11:51.190 Yeah. 284 00:11:51.389 --> 00:11:51.889 You know? 285 00:11:51.950 --> 00:11:55.399 And, like, when I was 30... No, less. When I 286 00:11:55.460 --> 00:12:00.039 was 28 or 27, Jim Cameron, we became friends instantly. 287 00:12:00.080 --> 00:12:02.019 I don't know why. He said, why don't you come over? 288 00:12:02.059 --> 00:12:05.000 We're editing True Lies and I need to take out 289 00:12:05.000 --> 00:12:05.519 25 minutes. 290 00:12:05.850 --> 00:12:08.610 Was the inroad to this relationship, were you doing the 291 00:12:08.649 --> 00:12:11.549 special effects stuff? You had worked in some capacity for him, no? 292 00:12:11.809 --> 00:12:14.789 No, no, no. Ron Perlman, who was in Kronos, had 293 00:12:14.830 --> 00:12:17.429 done a TV series called Beauty and the Beast with 294 00:12:17.480 --> 00:12:20.159 Linda Hamilton. So he said, why don't you come to 295 00:12:20.179 --> 00:12:22.860 the barbecue on the 4th of July? I went and 296 00:12:22.899 --> 00:12:25.799 Jim was there. Yes. And Jim sat down and he said, 297 00:12:25.840 --> 00:12:28.980 so I hear you made a really expensive Mexican movie. 298 00:12:29.000 --> 00:12:31.210 I said, well, yeah, I mortgaged my house. He said, 299 00:12:31.590 --> 00:12:33.809 you know, you may lose it. He says, we only 300 00:12:33.850 --> 00:12:36.649 hear the stories of the people that donate a kidney 301 00:12:36.710 --> 00:12:38.710 and succeed, but there are a lot of people that 302 00:12:38.750 --> 00:12:42.070 donate a kidney and the movie doesn't open. It's so true. 303 00:12:42.129 --> 00:12:45.330 I go, that's absolutely true. He says, will you show 304 00:12:45.370 --> 00:12:47.389 it to me? I said, sure. And he arrived to 305 00:12:47.409 --> 00:12:50.899 the screening at the Chaplin Theater on Raleigh Studios. And 306 00:12:50.919 --> 00:12:53.340 he said, if I get a phone call, I may 307 00:12:53.360 --> 00:12:56.590 need to leave. I said, sure, I understand. And then 308 00:12:56.850 --> 00:12:58.750 he saw the whole movie and he said, the phone 309 00:12:58.769 --> 00:13:02.509 call was bullshit. If the movie wasn't bad, I would 310 00:13:02.710 --> 00:13:03.190 send this out. 311 00:13:03.490 --> 00:13:06.129 Oh my God, like it's a bad date or something. 312 00:13:06.490 --> 00:13:08.769 He said, I can stay for 20 minutes from the beginning. 313 00:13:08.789 --> 00:13:11.409 And then we stayed for four hours. And we liked 314 00:13:11.470 --> 00:13:14.639 each other very much. He came from special effects. I 315 00:13:14.879 --> 00:13:18.200 could do all special effects. I knew rotoscope, tracking. So 316 00:13:18.240 --> 00:13:19.600 we started geeking out. 317 00:13:19.779 --> 00:13:22.000 Yes. Okay, I was going to say, I had the 318 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:25.080 rare experience to go on a motorcycle ride. I didn't 319 00:13:25.100 --> 00:13:27.659 know who was going

to be at breakfast. With Arnold. Yeah, 320 00:13:27.679 --> 00:13:30.299 with Arnold. And then he's there. 321 00:13:30.679 --> 00:13:31.100 What year? 322 00:13:31.100 --> 00:13:33.100 2004. 323 00:13:33.429 --> 00:13:34.029 Oh, yes. 324 00:13:34.210 --> 00:13:37.450 And who's the great puppeteer? Oh, Stan Winston? Stan Winston 325 00:13:37.490 --> 00:13:37.850 is there. 326 00:13:38.110 --> 00:13:38.789 He was a writer. 327 00:13:39.009 --> 00:13:43.620 Incredible. And so he naturally has zero interest in the 328 00:13:43.629 --> 00:13:44.340 30-year-old that's there. 329 00:13:44.360 --> 00:13:44.840 Yeah. 330 00:13:46.250 --> 00:13:50.480 He starts talking about the 3D technology he's inventing. And 331 00:13:50.659 --> 00:13:55.299 I happen to say, oh, so it's like bilateral stereoscopic vision. 332 00:13:55.460 --> 00:13:56.580 And he then. 333 00:13:56.340 --> 00:13:59.039 Goes, he's like, he hones in on me. He goes, 334 00:13:59.120 --> 00:14:01.610 why do you know about bilateral stereoscopic vision? And I go, oh, 335 00:14:01.620 --> 00:14:04.639 I was an anthropology major. And then I got all 336 00:14:04.659 --> 00:14:06.460 of his attention among all these people. 337 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:09.840 He's not just pretty. He knows. 338 00:14:10.139 --> 00:14:12.059 So I imagine for you, that was the same thing. 339 00:14:12.100 --> 00:14:14.980 I think if he figures out somebody knows about his technology, 340 00:14:15.299 --> 00:14:18.559 neat kinks, he's just very drawn to you, I'd imagine. 341 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:21.769 He said to me one day, there are X number 342 00:14:21.789 --> 00:14:26.429 of filmmakers. Then there are X number of writer-directors. That's less. 343 00:14:26.850 --> 00:14:31.529 There are even less producer-writer-directors. And he said, then there 344 00:14:31.590 --> 00:14:38.440 are even less designer-producer-writer-directors, I said, and then world-builders. He says, 345 00:14:38.460 --> 00:14:41.320 you can count with one hand. And when you encounter somebody, 346 00:14:41.360 --> 00:14:44.399 you can talk about the whole thing. How much is 347 00:14:44.419 --> 00:14:46.190 it going to cost? Why is it going to cost? 348 00:14:46.230 --> 00:14:49.129 How do we make it better, bigger, and cheaper? And 349 00:14:49.210 --> 00:14:52.370 our global view, he said, you immediately are interested because 350 00:14:52.389 --> 00:14:55.710 it's a very nurturing and rare. I think because we 351 00:14:55.730 --> 00:14:59.750 have that commonality on FX. Because I can sculpt a puppet. 352 00:14:59.830 --> 00:15:02.850 I can mechanize a puppet. I can mold a puppet. 353 00:15:03.029 --> 00:15:05.809 So I know molding, chemistry, you know, all these things. 354 00:15:06.149 --> 00:15:07.429 He liked it. I know. 355 00:15:07.830 --> 00:15:10.470 I'm like, how do you know all this stuff? 356 00:15:10.490 --> 00:15:12.009 So let's go in order a little bit. And you 357 00:15:12.029 --> 00:15:14.830 already started it. First

of all, you're from Guadalajara. 358 00:15:14.870 --> 00:15:15.070 Yes. 359 00:15:15.429 --> 00:15:17.700 And mom and dad are Spanish. And I'm curious first. 360 00:15:17.879 --> 00:15:18.460 Mexican, yeah. 361 00:15:18.649 --> 00:15:21.899 When did the family come from Spain? Like what generation 362 00:15:21.940 --> 00:15:22.200 are you? 363 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:25.259 I have zero interest in my genealogy. I know my 364 00:15:25.340 --> 00:15:31.639 grandfather was of Irish. It was Guillermo Gomez O'Culligan. It's 365 00:15:31.740 --> 00:15:34.129 like out of Darby O'Gill. 366 00:15:34.250 --> 00:15:36.090 That'd be a bad restaurant. 367 00:15:36.389 --> 00:15:42.049 O'Culligans, yeah. E. coli. E. colligans. I know the kinship 368 00:15:42.070 --> 00:15:44.470 with the Irish because when I went to Ireland, I said, 369 00:15:44.870 --> 00:15:47.879 why do I feel straight at home immediately? But the 370 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:52.220 side of my father split into Puerto Rico, and Mexico. 371 00:15:52.259 --> 00:15:54.860 That much I know. Now, my father had a very 372 00:15:55.019 --> 00:15:58.850 precarious upbringing. They didn't have money. His father was a gambler, 373 00:15:59.139 --> 00:16:01.649 which my dad was a gambler, but he sort of 374 00:16:01.710 --> 00:16:03.000 controlled himself, sort of. 375 00:16:03.269 --> 00:16:04.690 So how does he win this lottery? 376 00:16:04.809 --> 00:16:07.450 He married my mom. We were living in a little 377 00:16:07.470 --> 00:16:11.190 middle-class home. He always bought from the same... He won 378 00:16:11.210 --> 00:16:11.669 two times. 379 00:16:12.029 --> 00:16:12.250 No. 380 00:16:12.269 --> 00:16:14.049 What? Yeah, he won the six million, and then he 381 00:16:14.070 --> 00:16:15.950 won a quarter of a million a few years later. 382 00:16:16.289 --> 00:16:17.850 Oh my goodness. He didn't stop playing. 383 00:16:17.870 --> 00:16:18.509 The same vendor. 384 00:16:18.990 --> 00:16:19.429 Really? 385 00:16:19.490 --> 00:16:19.789 Yes. 386 00:16:20.049 --> 00:16:20.649 Oh, my gosh. 387 00:16:20.710 --> 00:16:24.029 So one day we're living there and one day we 388 00:16:24.049 --> 00:16:26.889 move into a house that was just out of The Shining. 389 00:16:27.269 --> 00:16:30.210 I would run my bicycle like that in The Shining. 390 00:16:30.470 --> 00:16:33.690 But he always raised us. I remember the immortal lines 391 00:16:33.730 --> 00:16:35.350 he said to my brother. He says, why do I 392 00:16:35.409 --> 00:16:37.629 have to do this if we have money? And my 393 00:16:37.649 --> 00:16:41.269 dad said, I have money. You don't. And he would say, 394 00:16:41.340 --> 00:16:43.519 you want that microphone for your camera? You're going to 395 00:16:43.539 --> 00:16:46.740 go to the... dealership and wash all the cars. Then 396 00:16:46.779 --> 00:16:49.320 you go to the spare parts warehouse and you have 397 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:52.220 to clean all the boxes. And then I'll buy you 398 00:16:52.259

--> 00:16:54.159 your microphone for your Super 8 camera. 399 00:16:54.320 --> 00:16:56.500 Well, so that was my other curiosity about your father, 400 00:16:56.539 --> 00:16:59.500 because I'm from Detroit and my whole family was automotive industry. I, too, 401 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:01.860 worked for GM for years. It says he was an 402 00:17:01.960 --> 00:17:03.779 automotive entrepreneur. What does that mean? 403 00:17:03.860 --> 00:17:06.779 First, he dealt with Packards. Then he dealt with Chrysler 404 00:17:06.940 --> 00:17:08.440 and then Nissan and Chrysler. 405 00:17:08.660 --> 00:17:09.519 Did he have a dealership? 406 00:17:09.859 --> 00:17:13.279 Many dealerships. Many dealerships in the 60s and 70s and 407 00:17:13.319 --> 00:17:16.700 all that. He was Really, the worst boss I've ever had. 408 00:17:16.740 --> 00:17:18.640 I worked with him five years and I said, dad, 409 00:17:19.009 --> 00:17:20.980 I'm quitting because I don't want to stop loving you. 410 00:17:21.369 --> 00:17:23.769 I never did anything right. I had always had to 411 00:17:23.829 --> 00:17:25.369 chase him for every penny. 412 00:17:25.609 --> 00:17:27.410 So it sounds like he took the money he won 413 00:17:27.470 --> 00:17:30.490 and he was successful at growing that through his business. 414 00:17:30.549 --> 00:17:30.869 Oh, yeah. 415 00:17:30.890 --> 00:17:31.150 No, no. 416 00:17:31.170 --> 00:17:33.650 He was very smart. He was very funny. He was 417 00:17:33.690 --> 00:17:37.109 very personal. He was a little remote. At home. 418 00:17:37.289 --> 00:17:38.730 This is my father, too. So I only saw him 419 00:17:38.849 --> 00:17:41.170 every other weekend. But he was a car salesman. And 420 00:17:41.190 --> 00:17:42.930 when I moved through the world with him, it's like 421 00:17:42.950 --> 00:17:44.609 he knew everyone at the hardware store. And then he 422 00:17:44.630 --> 00:17:47.779 knew all the waiters and waitresses. 100%. I just was 423 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:48.880 kind of enamored with it. 424 00:17:48.930 --> 00:17:52.119 Also, my dad was a motorcycle racing champion. No. And 425 00:17:52.140 --> 00:17:54.779 he used to ride motorcycles. Instead of a bicycle, he 426 00:17:54.819 --> 00:17:56.779 would buy us a minibike. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I 427 00:17:56.819 --> 00:17:58.980 was on a bike at age six or seven. I 428 00:17:59.000 --> 00:18:00.660 was riding my bike on the street. 429 00:18:00.680 --> 00:18:01.839 You had the childhood I wanted. 430 00:18:02.059 --> 00:18:03.400 I still... Of course. 431 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:05.119 You have to break some stuff. 432 00:18:05.210 --> 00:18:06.349 Oh, God, yes. 433 00:18:06.490 --> 00:18:08.549 Keep it connected. 434 00:18:08.589 --> 00:18:11.339 I have a bunch of scars from motocross. 435 00:18:11.380 --> 00:18:11.799 Of course. 436 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:16.980 Parenting in the 60s. would be actionable now. He would 437 00:18:17.019 --> 00:18:20.180 take me on his BMW bike and he would go 438 00:18:20.220 --> 00:18:22.819 for ice cream. I was in the back, no helmets, 439 00:18:22.859 --> 00:18:25.069 of course. I said, you want an iron horse? I go, sure. 440 00:18:25.089 --> 00:18:27.430 And he would do an iron horse with me in 441 00:18:27.470 --> 00:18:29.470 the back. Seven. 442 00:18:29.589 --> 00:18:30.529 Yeah, yeah. 443 00:18:30.549 --> 00:18:32.809 Wait, so how old were you when he won the lottery? 444 00:18:32.809 --> 00:18:34.890 69, so I was five. 445 00:18:35.230 --> 00:18:38.130 And do you remember, like, the day your dad comes 446 00:18:38.190 --> 00:18:39.490 home and is like, guess what? 447 00:18:39.630 --> 00:18:42.980 Yeah, the night before we went to the church party, 448 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:46.279 I remember that I won a fire truck, a plastic 449 00:18:46.299 --> 00:18:46.740 fire truck. 450 00:18:46.819 --> 00:18:47.900 You're a lucky family. 451 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:52.160 Everybody said, well, congratulations on the raffle. I said, yeah, 452 00:18:52.259 --> 00:18:55.849 we got a red truck. Oh, I thought that was 453 00:18:55.890 --> 00:19:00.410 the town was celebrating you. Everybody loves my red truck. 454 00:19:00.549 --> 00:19:03.829 Everybody wants my red truck. No, but my dad gave 455 00:19:03.849 --> 00:19:06.309 me the discipline. He said, you have to work for 456 00:19:06.710 --> 00:19:08.970 everything you need. And he said, it's for your own good. 457 00:19:09.160 --> 00:19:11.460 We inherited each other's clothes. 458 00:19:11.740 --> 00:19:12.599 How many siblings? 459 00:19:12.940 --> 00:19:15.839 One brother older than me who passed away, a younger 460 00:19:15.900 --> 00:19:17.140 brother and a younger sister. 461 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:19.960 Okay, so you're the middle boy. 462 00:19:19.980 --> 00:19:21.720 I'm the second, which is a hard position. 463 00:19:21.740 --> 00:19:23.700 And do you fit the stereotype as a middle child? 464 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:28.400 Yes. You have to become the negotiator, the peacekeeper, the 465 00:19:28.500 --> 00:19:29.759 sane one, supposedly. 466 00:19:29.980 --> 00:19:32.720 And then also, would you agree, as the middle child, 467 00:19:32.779 --> 00:19:35.579 you can really disappear a lot? Because in my case, 468 00:19:35.599 --> 00:19:37.460 there was like a teenager who was crazy, and then 469 00:19:37.500 --> 00:19:39.299 there was a baby on the scene. So it was 470 00:19:39.319 --> 00:19:41.880 like between the energy they took up, I could be 471 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:45.059 in my room for days and no one would have wondered. 472 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:48.160 I tell you, the parenting thing. I could disappear for 473 00:19:48.200 --> 00:19:51.220 a week, and they would not ask where I was. 474 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:52.059 Not even curious. 475 00:19:52.339 --> 00:19:54.750 If I had enough gas on the tank, I would 476 00:19:54.789 --> 00:19:58.589 go to San Antonio, to Texas, to buy Super 8 equipment. 477 00:19:58.990 --> 00:20:01.769 I would

come back four days later. No one was there. 478 00:20:01.910 --> 00:20:05.789 No one asked anything. Wow. All I knew there was 479 00:20:05.930 --> 00:20:10.440 cold meat and cold beans on the fridge. Who made them? 480 00:20:10.579 --> 00:20:12.119 I had no idea. 481 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:14.740 You also described that, you know, when you're like a 482 00:20:14.819 --> 00:20:18.579 seven-year-old boy, most kids are outside playing football and you're 483 00:20:18.619 --> 00:20:20.380 like reading voraciously. 484 00:20:20.539 --> 00:20:21.240 Oh, my God. Yes. 485 00:20:21.420 --> 00:20:23.180 And then you're also a hypochondriac. 486 00:20:23.339 --> 00:20:24.599 A complete hypochondriac. Yeah. 487 00:20:24.640 --> 00:20:28.059 Where do we think that started? Started when my dad 488 00:20:28.099 --> 00:20:28.829 won the lottery. 489 00:20:29.200 --> 00:20:32.069 He bought a library because somebody told him you have 490 00:20:32.109 --> 00:20:34.650 to have a library because you're a gentleman now. So 491 00:20:34.670 --> 00:20:35.930 he got a huge desk. 492 00:20:36.289 --> 00:20:37.569 That sounds like they could have told him anything. 493 00:20:37.589 --> 00:20:39.430 Oh, a library in the house. In the house. 494 00:20:39.470 --> 00:20:40.230 Okay. 495 00:20:40.410 --> 00:20:44.079 He bought three encyclopedias. He bought an encyclopedia of art, 496 00:20:44.130 --> 00:20:47.680 which I read complete when I was very young. He 497 00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:51.099 bought an encyclopedia for youth. And one of them was 498 00:20:51.140 --> 00:20:52.299 the encyclopedia of health. 499 00:20:53.259 --> 00:20:54.579 And I memorized it. 500 00:20:54.680 --> 00:20:57.259 I thought, oh, I have tricky nose. I have high 501 00:20:57.279 --> 00:20:57.920 blood pressure. 502 00:20:57.960 --> 00:21:00.160 You thought you had pancreatic cancer at one point. 503 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:02.339 At one point, I can talk to you. That is 504 00:21:02.380 --> 00:21:05.140 in my movies. All the biology, all this and that, 505 00:21:05.259 --> 00:21:07.460 that has been with me since I was a kid. 506 00:21:07.779 --> 00:21:10.000 And did you shake it at some point? 507 00:21:10.059 --> 00:21:13.000 Yeah, yeah. My dad was a hypochondriac. His hobby was 508 00:21:13.079 --> 00:21:16.500 to be sick. Actually, I became fully fluent. English is 509 00:21:16.519 --> 00:21:19.180 my second language, but at age seven or eight, he 510 00:21:19.220 --> 00:21:22.970 would make me travel with him to translate. to doctors 511 00:21:23.049 --> 00:21:26.329 in Houston. Oh, really? I have glaucoma. Tell him that 512 00:21:26.369 --> 00:21:28.109 these are my symptoms. And I would speak to the 513 00:21:28.150 --> 00:21:29.849 doctor in English. And he said, what did he say? 514 00:21:30.250 --> 00:21:32.730 Do you think because of the Catholic guilt, there was 515 00:21:32.769 --> 00:21:35.720 some sense that, well, with this great fortune we were given, 516 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:37.799 there must be some price to pay. And it'll be 517 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:38.279 my health. 518 00:21:38.720 --> 00:21:40.619 I don't know how complex my dad was. 519 00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:42.599 But did you have any sense like that? Like something 520 00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:45.259 bad will happen to us because this is suspiciously good. 521 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:45.799 I have. 522 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:48.119 I have. Yeah. 523 00:21:48.180 --> 00:21:48.759 Yeah. 524 00:21:48.940 --> 00:21:51.180 My parents won the money. One of the first things 525 00:21:51.220 --> 00:21:53.720 they tried to travel a lot to Europe, to this 526 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:56.920 and that. And we would be left behind. And I 527 00:21:56.980 --> 00:22:00.640 stay with what I call my grandmother. She was like Piper, 528 00:22:00.700 --> 00:22:03.779 Laurie and Gary. She would instill in me the sense 529 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:04.440 of doom. 530 00:22:05.279 --> 00:22:05.440 Oh. 531 00:22:05.720 --> 00:22:07.240 Every day at the end of the day, I would 532 00:22:07.289 --> 00:22:10.470 call her and she would say, if I wake up tomorrow, 533 00:22:11.410 --> 00:22:13.549 I will see you. And if I die tonight, I 534 00:22:13.589 --> 00:22:15.490 want you to know that I loved you. Oh, my God. 535 00:22:15.589 --> 00:22:19.069 Every day. Okay. So I would sleep rigid in the 536 00:22:19.109 --> 00:22:22.339 bed feeling I'm sure she's dead. And when I slept 537 00:22:22.500 --> 00:22:24.579 in her house, I would sleep in a little cot 538 00:22:24.900 --> 00:22:26.880 at the foot of her bed. And I would spend 539 00:22:26.900 --> 00:22:27.579 the night hearing. 540 00:22:28.500 --> 00:22:29.619 Oh, God. 541 00:22:30.910 --> 00:22:32.849 And if she stopped, I. 542 00:22:32.829 --> 00:22:35.230 Would go, she's dead. 543 00:22:35.329 --> 00:22:38.579 It happened. That for a decade, at least. And then 544 00:22:38.599 --> 00:22:42.059 I was an altar boy. I was the spokesperson for 545 00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:45.759 the Virgin Mary. I was raised very, very Catholic. And 546 00:22:45.819 --> 00:22:49.779 this is the time when I was reading. multiple books 547 00:22:49.940 --> 00:22:52.799 a day. I taught myself to do ultra fast reading. 548 00:22:53.099 --> 00:22:55.400 And to this day, I can read a page about 549 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:58.339 a second, two seconds. I get a page. Oh my gosh. Okay. 550 00:22:58.420 --> 00:23:00.380 I know this about you. You're going to Mass at 551 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:02.119 eight in the morning, but you're coming home and you 552 00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:07.700 see Boris Karloff in Frankenstein in the juxtaposition, yet also 553 00:23:07.779 --> 00:23:08.599 the parallel. 554 00:23:08.779 --> 00:23:11.579 Yeah, it's the same. To me, this is completely true. 555 00:23:11.619 --> 00:23:16.960 My spiritual life is forged by movies, fairy tales, and religion. 556 00:23:17.460 --> 00:23:20.420 They become the same. Vance Labyrinth, Hands in

the Shape 557 00:23:20.460 --> 00:23:24.109 of Water, Frankenstein. To me, they are parables or fairy tales. 558 00:23:24.130 --> 00:23:28.569 You know, they became effortlessly won. So my grandmother and 559 00:23:28.609 --> 00:23:32.170 I never agreed, but she would buy me the comic 560 00:23:32.190 --> 00:23:35.000 books on Tuesdays. On Tuesday, you went to the comic 561 00:23:35.019 --> 00:23:39.059 book stand in the corner, and I would buy everything. Archie, 562 00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:42.980 Little Lulu, House of Secrets, House of Mystery, and some 563 00:23:43.240 --> 00:23:46.660 brown and white comics. Mexican horror comics that were the 564 00:23:46.779 --> 00:23:51.569 most salacious, grotesque thing ever created. I still have a 565 00:23:51.569 --> 00:23:51.890 whole collection. 566 00:23:51.910 --> 00:23:53.009 Like would make Robert Crumb blush? 567 00:23:53.190 --> 00:23:56.240 Oh my God. They started, it was called Traditional Legends 568 00:23:56.299 --> 00:23:58.799 of Mexico, right? It was the name of the comic book. 569 00:23:59.410 --> 00:24:03.349 And it started very altruistic. Eventually, they started doing Edgar 570 00:24:03.369 --> 00:24:05.950 Allan Poe, Lovecraft, whatever. And then at the end, they 571 00:24:05.990 --> 00:24:08.910 were just, let's put a rotten corpse and a scantily 572 00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:15.900 clad lady. And let's call it a day. My mother 573 00:24:16.119 --> 00:24:19.640 threw most of my comic books, like everybody. But I 574 00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:20.099 kept some. 575 00:24:20.480 --> 00:24:25.839 And your obsession with the monster, of course, makes total sense, 576 00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:30.049 which is I'm not perfect. I'm flawed. I am in 577 00:24:30.150 --> 00:24:32.769 some way despicable, right? I have some sense that I 578 00:24:32.890 --> 00:24:35.390 am like defective in a way others are not. 579 00:24:35.430 --> 00:24:38.170 Especially because you're the second child. Yes, yes. Like I'm 580 00:24:38.259 --> 00:24:42.339 not my brother who's like a stud in the disco. 581 00:24:43.539 --> 00:24:45.740 And I'm not, yeah, you're sort of in the middle. 582 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:49.140 But also you can be pretty brutal with yourself and truth, 583 00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:51.519 meaning you don't have to be perfect, but you don't 584 00:24:51.539 --> 00:24:54.839 have to stay either. You have to give yourself the 585 00:24:54.900 --> 00:24:57.500 license to say, look, this is who I am. And 586 00:24:57.519 --> 00:24:59.779 this is what I need. And it's truthful, whether we 587 00:24:59.799 --> 00:25:03.089 like it or not. And monsters always are truthful. They 588 00:25:03.119 --> 00:25:05.309 step into the room, you know what they are. Right. 589 00:25:05.329 --> 00:25:08.750 And that's one thing I carry to design. When I design, 590 00:25:08.809 --> 00:25:12.119 I say everything designed needs to have a history. And 591 00:25:12.150 --> 00:25:15.019 I said this morning, I was talking about a cistern. 592 00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:19.200 Rome and Cistern were designing for a stop-motion movie we're making. 593 00:25:19.690 --> 00:25:22.190 And I said, the bricks on the floor are too small. 594 00:25:22.250 --> 00:25:25.329 And he said, why? I said, because they use larger slabs, 595 00:25:25.849 --> 00:25:27.089 so the water would slide. 596 00:25:27.430 --> 00:25:27.990 This I know. 597 00:25:28.670 --> 00:25:30.210 And it's not that you want to make it more 598 00:25:30.269 --> 00:25:32.390 pretty or this. It's truthful. Yeah. 599 00:25:32.410 --> 00:25:32.890 It's the truth. 600 00:25:33.230 --> 00:25:35.400 You understand the design because it came out of a need. 601 00:25:36.240 --> 00:25:40.279 Same with the personality. Like, we dress, we're expressing something. 602 00:25:40.890 --> 00:25:42.920 Wardrobe is personality, declaring. 603 00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:44.140 Trying to give you a shortcut. 604 00:25:44.380 --> 00:25:47.099 Into who you are. Yeah. What do you own? What 605 00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:50.160 car do you drive? If you are wealthy, but you 606 00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:54.519 have a 2010 car, I know who you are. Right. 607 00:25:54.859 --> 00:25:55.160 A little bit. 608 00:25:55.299 --> 00:25:58.900 Yeah, Warren Buffett driving the old Cherokee famously for 30 years. 609 00:25:58.940 --> 00:26:01.079 He tells you that. You're like, oh, okay, I really 610 00:26:01.119 --> 00:26:02.619 get it. It's not about the money. 611 00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:05.420 Or somebody wearing skeechers. 612 00:26:06.279 --> 00:26:06.880 Uh-huh. 613 00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:09.359 A wealthy man. You go, well, he's going for comfort. 614 00:26:09.779 --> 00:26:10.339 Right, right. 615 00:26:10.460 --> 00:26:13.160 Like one day I visited a very famous filmmaker, a 616 00:26:13.480 --> 00:26:16.049 friend of mine. And he was very excited. What are 617 00:26:16.069 --> 00:26:18.849 you driving? He says, my car is just a sensible ride. 618 00:26:18.869 --> 00:26:20.470 And that's what it is. 619 00:26:20.549 --> 00:26:22.549 It's a sensible ride. 620 00:26:22.569 --> 00:26:23.470 What car do you drive? 621 00:26:23.650 --> 00:26:25.940 It was a Chrysler 2012. 622 00:26:25.940 --> 00:26:26.259 Okay. 623 00:26:26.460 --> 00:26:26.980 I still have it. 624 00:26:27.220 --> 00:26:27.480 Okay. 625 00:26:27.500 --> 00:26:27.789 I love it. 626 00:26:28.000 --> 00:26:28.460 Wonderful. 627 00:26:28.500 --> 00:26:30.900 Because in Mexico, you love your car. And once you 628 00:26:30.920 --> 00:26:34.430 get it, that's your car. Loyal. You don't have many cars. 629 00:26:34.450 --> 00:26:35.990 You're like, that's my car. Yeah. 630 00:26:36.029 --> 00:26:37.329 You go down to Mexico and you see all these 631 00:26:37.390 --> 00:26:40.230 incredible 80s full-size pickup trucks that are like flawless. 632 00:26:40.250 --> 00:26:42.809 Well-maintained. I call them el guapo. 633 00:26:43.490 --> 00:26:43.829 Oh, yeah. 634 00:26:43.849 --> 00:26:46.670 My car.

I say, hey, guapo, let's go. I talk 635 00:26:46.710 --> 00:26:49.819 to the car like the Japanese. I believe objects have 636 00:26:50.019 --> 00:26:51.079 a personality and a soul. 637 00:26:51.380 --> 00:26:51.619 Uh-huh. 638 00:26:51.859 --> 00:26:56.029 I cook. My favorite frying pan is the cheesiest frying pan. 639 00:26:56.190 --> 00:26:58.099 But I know exactly how it's going to heat, how 640 00:26:58.160 --> 00:26:59.279 it's going to cook the rice. 641 00:26:59.299 --> 00:27:00.079 Yeah, yeah. 642 00:27:00.609 --> 00:27:03.619 Since you feel a sense that they have some meaning 643 00:27:03.660 --> 00:27:05.700 to them. Are you a major collector then? 644 00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:08.519 I was, and I will say was because I'm quite 645 00:27:08.740 --> 00:27:13.880 pointedly donating, gifting, and auctioning most of what I own. 646 00:27:14.059 --> 00:27:17.109 Because I think if you are still accumulating after 55, 647 00:27:17.109 --> 00:27:21.789 there's something not quite there. Unless you're going to, like 648 00:27:21.829 --> 00:27:25.029 what George did, which I adore, open it to the public. 649 00:27:25.269 --> 00:27:29.420 If it's for you after 55, it's like wearing short pants. Yeah. 650 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:32.700 I mean, look, everybody has a sense of fashion. I 651 00:27:32.740 --> 00:27:35.619 personally wouldn't subject people to me on short pants and 652 00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:37.299 a backwards baseball cap. 653 00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:40.039 Oh, I almost wore a backwards baseball cap. 654 00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:47.460 Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert. 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Well, 665 00:28:26.119 --> 00:28:28.960 how do we explain the obsession with the macabre? Like 666 00:28:29.009 --> 00:28:32.069 what makes a little kid Catholic? It is a death 667 00:28:32.130 --> 00:28:33.690 heavy endeavor. 668 00:28:33.849 --> 00:28:39.190 The way Philippines and Mexican Catholicism, the inroad into the 669 00:28:39.329 --> 00:28:44.430 popularity of the culture, the friars noticed. The gorier the picture, 670 00:28:44.470 --> 00:28:47.880 the more people were like, this is interesting. So Mexican 671 00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:49.819 Catholicism is really gory. 672 00:28:49.940 --> 00:28:52.660 Yeah, there's blood. On the crucifixion, you get some blood. 673 00:28:52.819 --> 00:28:55.119 And you get exposed bones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 674 00:28:55.140 --> 00:28:56.019 You get that mortified flesh. 675 00:28:56.039 --> 00:28:59.420 They go hard. Yeah, they go hard. And Filipino Catholicism 676 00:28:59.500 --> 00:29:00.440 is just as hard. 677 00:29:00.460 --> 00:29:03.190 Well, and Filipinos. I've got to work with a ton 678 00:29:03.230 --> 00:29:06.589 of them in Detroit. They all believe in ghosts, too. Culturally, 679 00:29:07.049 --> 00:29:10.009 everyone believes in ghosts. Almost everyone has a ghost story 680 00:29:10.250 --> 00:29:10.990 or multiple. 681 00:29:11.009 --> 00:29:15.130 Same. In a Mexican dinner. If somebody starts telling a story, 682 00:29:15.230 --> 00:29:17.289 a ghost story, you say, yeah, pass the salsa. 683 00:29:17.490 --> 00:29:18.529 Yeah, yeah, you're all ears. 684 00:29:18.829 --> 00:29:23.019 And everybody has one. Even my grandma, who hated everything supernatural, 685 00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:26.480 she had ghost stories. Bedtime, they don't tell you about 686 00:29:26.500 --> 00:29:30.619 Snow White. They said there was this white presence in 687 00:29:30.700 --> 00:29:35.170 the house I lived in. No wonder you're a hypochondriac. Yeah. 688 00:29:35.349 --> 00:29:38.230 When I'm done telling you this story, I'm likely to pass. 689 00:29:38.490 --> 00:29:42.400 My analyst says it's... is what is called a counterphobic reaction, 690 00:29:43.039 --> 00:29:45.400 meaning I was so scared as a kid that I 691 00:29:45.460 --> 00:29:48.829 learned to love and get really intimate with what I feared, 692 00:29:48.990 --> 00:29:50.250 which is a coping mechanism. 693 00:29:50.309 --> 00:29:52.990 Well, that's like the same as when you role play 694 00:29:53.009 --> 00:29:56.069 with your trauma, right? Like if you've had sexual trauma, 695 00:29:56.089 --> 00:29:59.519 but you're into BDSM as a way to interact with it. 696 00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:02.740 Whatever rein in you have for that, because then if 697 00:30:02.779 --> 00:30:06.700 you become the initiator, the controller, then there's some measure 698 00:30:06.779 --> 00:30:10.160 of control. I mean, when I was first scared that 699 00:30:10.200 --> 00:30:14.619 I remember as a kid, it was so profound. And 700 00:30:14.660 --> 00:30:18.289 my brother then scared me further that night. So, you know, 701 00:30:18.490 --> 00:30:22.529 I started seeing things in my bedroom presence. I would 702 00:30:22.569 --> 00:30:25.349 wake up with lucid dreaming, in which these things were 703 00:30:25.490 --> 00:30:28.730 actually in my brain. They were there. So you have 704 00:30:28.750 --> 00:30:31.250 to learn. And I tell this story, people think it's 705

00:30:31.289 --> 00:30:33.529 a cute story. People think I make it up. It 706 00:30:33.609 --> 00:30:36.920 is completely true. I used to pee myself because I 707 00:30:37.019 --> 00:30:38.960 didn't want to get out of the crib because I 708 00:30:39.019 --> 00:30:41.980 saw a thing in the closet and fingers waving at 709 00:30:42.019 --> 00:30:44.680 me in the rug. And I got up and I said, 710 00:30:44.740 --> 00:30:46.380 if you let me go to the bathroom, I will 711 00:30:46.420 --> 00:30:49.380 be your friend forever. Yeah. I told the monsters and 712 00:30:49.420 --> 00:30:50.039 they withdrew. 713 00:30:50.059 --> 00:30:51.759 Oh, my gosh. 714 00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:54.160 And this is true. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was 715 00:30:54.220 --> 00:30:56.730 able to go to the bathroom. But to this day, 716 00:30:57.170 --> 00:31:00.490 in my grandmother's house, there was a corridor, which I 717 00:31:00.609 --> 00:31:03.880 thought was incredibly long on the road to the bathroom. 718 00:31:04.079 --> 00:31:07.170 And I always thought, what if I see something? Standing 719 00:31:07.210 --> 00:31:09.259 at the end of the corridor, which is in Devil's Backbone. 720 00:31:09.539 --> 00:31:10.119 Uh-huh. 721 00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:12.980 A few years ago, I went to that house. Uh-huh. 722 00:31:13.180 --> 00:31:15.559 It's two feet long. It's two feet long. 723 00:31:15.579 --> 00:31:17.500 Yeah, yeah, yeah. But in my mind, it was like. 724 00:31:17.619 --> 00:31:18.779 It was a gauntlet of horrors. 725 00:31:18.819 --> 00:31:19.440 Yeah, yeah. 726 00:31:19.859 --> 00:31:22.160 Okay, so to speed through some things, you start messing 727 00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:24.769 with Dad's Super 8 camera. When you're about eight years old, 728 00:31:24.980 --> 00:31:29.130 this fascination takes you to ultimately the University of Guadalajara. 729 00:31:29.190 --> 00:31:30.490 You study cinema. 730 00:31:30.710 --> 00:31:32.869 We founded the school. Oh, you did? And we were 731 00:31:32.930 --> 00:31:36.049 both the founders and the alumni. Oh, really? There was 732 00:31:36.109 --> 00:31:39.069 no school in Mexico in Guadalajara for that, only in 733 00:31:39.130 --> 00:31:42.720 Mexico City. Oh, okay. So we founded two things, a festival, 734 00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:45.460 which is still going on, and the school, which is 735 00:31:45.500 --> 00:31:48.160 still going on under another name, but the same university. 736 00:31:48.579 --> 00:31:52.519 Was any part of your artistic endeavor like an attempt 737 00:31:52.619 --> 00:31:55.309 to have control over this whole thing? 738 00:31:55.329 --> 00:31:57.349 I guess. I mean, I. 739 00:31:58.049 --> 00:31:58.950 I'm now your analyst. 740 00:31:59.519 --> 00:32:01.480 No, no, no. When you don't have a social life. 741 00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:04.619 When I say other kids were playing football, I could 742 00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:07.819 not understand. I felt 70 at age seven. 743 00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:08.640 You were in

your study. 744 00:32:08.660 --> 00:32:12.480 I've been growing younger. Like now I feel younger. Benjamin 745 00:32:12.509 --> 00:32:13.009 Del Toro. 746 00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:15.009 If I only had looked like Brad Pitt at any stage. 747 00:32:15.029 --> 00:32:15.609 If any of us could. 748 00:32:15.630 --> 00:32:16.180 But I felt old. 749 00:32:24.630 --> 00:32:27.309 But I think it's a way to, I mean, we 750 00:32:27.430 --> 00:32:31.730 are constantly finding balance. When people say, I had a 751 00:32:31.750 --> 00:32:33.690 bad day, well, you're going to have a good one. 752 00:32:34.170 --> 00:32:35.359 I had a good day, well, you're going to have 753 00:32:35.380 --> 00:32:38.140 a bad one. Yeah. End of story. Like the nature 754 00:32:38.420 --> 00:32:40.960 of the flow is the yin and the yang. In meditation, 755 00:32:41.279 --> 00:32:44.240 you remember nothing's permanent. Everything's going to peak and it's 756 00:32:44.259 --> 00:32:47.009 going to pass. Whether you're the most happy person Person 757 00:32:47.029 --> 00:32:47.390 in the world. 758 00:32:47.410 --> 00:32:48.430 It ebbs and flows. 759 00:32:48.569 --> 00:32:51.609 And I think writing, creating, you want it so bad 760 00:32:51.630 --> 00:32:54.849 that you create it. And the world does not cater 761 00:32:55.589 --> 00:32:55.970 to that. 762 00:32:56.049 --> 00:32:56.690 To permanence. 763 00:32:56.789 --> 00:32:59.309 No, to permanence or to what you want. 764 00:32:59.549 --> 00:33:01.849 But is it cultural? Because I feel like in America, 765 00:33:01.910 --> 00:33:04.589 we are obsessed with happiness, with achieving it. And then 766 00:33:04.869 --> 00:33:06.930 we assume we just have that for the rest of 767 00:33:06.990 --> 00:33:09.349 our lives. But I do know in other cultures, you 768 00:33:09.390 --> 00:33:12.589 just know that that's not something you get and you have, 769 00:33:12.630 --> 00:33:13.829 that it is temporary. 770 00:33:14.309 --> 00:33:17.569 My dad has a real estate company and he said, 771 00:33:17.630 --> 00:33:23.279 before you go into this doomed movie career, you should 772 00:33:23.319 --> 00:33:25.599 work for me. So I worked five years for that. 773 00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:30.039 And what I remember is payday. On Friday, everybody was 774 00:33:30.099 --> 00:33:33.420 a prince. And everybody knew that Monday comes, you're going 775 00:33:33.440 --> 00:33:35.440 to have to show up and start working again. 776 00:33:35.500 --> 00:33:38.319 You get two days of... You get two days of being... 777 00:33:38.059 --> 00:33:38.460 Being a king. 778 00:33:38.740 --> 00:33:40.599 A largesse. Yeah. 779 00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:41.599 Buying drinks for friends. 780 00:33:41.619 --> 00:33:43.640 Yeah. You put a clean shirt. 781 00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:44.380 Yeah. 782 00:33:44.579 --> 00:33:45.140 And you went dancing. 783 00:33:45.180 --> 00:33:48.210 By Sunday night, you're like, we're going to go back tomorrow. 784 00:33:48.289 --> 00:33:51.329 Why did I do that? But the thing that is 785 00:33:51.470 --> 00:33:55.190 funny for me is when the culture is all focused 786 00:33:55.329 --> 00:34:00.779 on secondary gains. And it pays no attention to primary gains. 787 00:34:00.859 --> 00:34:01.990 Please define those two. 788 00:34:02.289 --> 00:34:08.260 Secondary gains is the things that you have to replenish constantly. Attention, money, wealth. 789 00:34:08.539 --> 00:34:12.880 When you meet somebody that is very... rich or very famous. 790 00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:15.699 And they are worried about how will the movie open? 791 00:34:15.900 --> 00:34:19.360 This review was bad. I lost X amount of money. 792 00:34:19.460 --> 00:34:22.739 The primary is the person that hugs you and loves 793 00:34:22.780 --> 00:34:25.619 you exactly as you are. Right. That's a primary. 794 00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:26.760 Win or lose. Yeah. 795 00:34:26.820 --> 00:34:29.960 For me, the most intense primary gain moment is when 796 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.219 your kids are four or five and you open the 797 00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:37.289 door and you're Ultraman. Yeah. And they run because you're home. 798 00:34:37.389 --> 00:34:42.030 That's pure primary game. And those never go away. They're bedrock. 799 00:34:42.139 --> 00:34:45.880 And I find it worrisome that more and more we 800 00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:50.500 are veering towards secondary, tertiary game. If you're not careful, 801 00:34:50.539 --> 00:34:51.340 you are hollow. 802 00:34:51.559 --> 00:34:55.420 Yeah, I went to a Latino funeral recently in Carson. 803 00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:59.429 It was an overwhelming experience. This person who had passed 804 00:34:59.489 --> 00:35:02.050 was not famous. They weren't a boss of many people. 805 00:35:02.929 --> 00:35:06.949 And the turnout and the experience and the friends and 806 00:35:06.989 --> 00:35:08.929 the family, the depth of that. 807 00:35:09.110 --> 00:35:09.610 That grief. 808 00:35:10.329 --> 00:35:12.889 Yes. And the sharing of it. And I just looked 809 00:35:12.989 --> 00:35:15.130 at kind of the white culture I came from. If 810 00:35:15.150 --> 00:35:16.929 you went to a funeral and there was more than 811 00:35:16.929 --> 00:35:19.480 12 people there, that would be crazy. That other thing 812 00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:21.460 was really on display. And I was like, oh man, 813 00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:24.099 we're really missing the boat in a lot of ways. 814 00:35:24.260 --> 00:35:26.599 There's not such a thing as a better culture or 815 00:35:26.619 --> 00:35:28.840 a worse culture. I think that all of them have 816 00:35:29.079 --> 00:35:33.400 incredible positives and incredible negatives. It's just What stays with you? 817 00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:36.530 I'll give you a difference. For example, in many cultures, 818 00:35:36.730 --> 00:35:38.789 when you're in grief, somebody says, I'm about a phone 819 00:35:38.809 --> 00:35:42.429 call away. If you need me, call me. In Latin culture, 820

00:35:42.449 --> 00:35:45.730 in Mexican culture, you show up with a bucket of food. 821 00:35:45.829 --> 00:35:49.230 You say, hey, I heard. And you're already there. You 822 00:35:49.269 --> 00:35:51.650 don't say, look, all you have to do is call me. No, 823 00:35:51.710 --> 00:35:54.719 you just show up. And you're there in the good 824 00:35:54.780 --> 00:35:57.139 and the bad. But there are so many others. I mean, 825 00:35:57.239 --> 00:35:58.480 nothing is perfect. 826 00:35:58.659 --> 00:36:01.820 Yes, but there are aspects that are aspirational. And what 827 00:36:01.900 --> 00:36:06.059 I observed was this man who I adore, watching him grieve. 828 00:36:06.659 --> 00:36:09.280 What I realized is we were all there to help. 829 00:36:09.730 --> 00:36:12.590 take it on. And we all experienced it with him. 830 00:36:12.949 --> 00:36:17.469 I was in shambles. Everyone was. And I thought, what 831 00:36:17.510 --> 00:36:21.059 a beautiful thing we're helping him carry this thing. 832 00:36:21.079 --> 00:36:24.099 You know, a culture, by the way, it deals with 833 00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:29.510 is more vulnerable, the elders and death. Yeah. Those three 834 00:36:29.639 --> 00:36:32.380 are markers of a culture that are incredibly important. 835 00:36:32.619 --> 00:36:34.440 I'm going to add one more. I was in Miami 836 00:36:34.460 --> 00:36:36.159 not long ago and I was out at a very 837 00:36:36.219 --> 00:36:39.190 nice restaurant. The traditional white version is you get a 838 00:36:39.250 --> 00:36:41.869 babysitter and you go to this really nice restaurant and 839 00:36:41.889 --> 00:36:45.000 you have this romantic experience. Well, that was happening at 840 00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:47.840 many tables. The white people were there with the mom 841 00:36:47.900 --> 00:36:50.820 and dad. And this is 11 o'clock at night. All 842 00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:54.000 of the Latino tables was like, all the kids were there. 843 00:36:54.260 --> 00:36:55.320 Brothers and sisters were there. 844 00:36:55.380 --> 00:36:55.739 Yeah, yeah. 845 00:36:56.059 --> 00:36:59.469 And that's just different. And I think it's aspirational. 846 00:36:59.670 --> 00:37:02.949 The fascination for me is just what stays with you. 847 00:37:03.230 --> 00:37:07.349 We all make massive mistakes. I've caused pain. I've been 848 00:37:07.409 --> 00:37:10.510 caused pain. And you continue to do it. But the 849 00:37:10.550 --> 00:37:15.400 fact is the balance, the ultimate balance, the invoice comes 850 00:37:15.460 --> 00:37:18.400 in the last three minutes of your life. When you 851 00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:21.679 have no illusions of being, what do you do for 852 00:37:21.699 --> 00:37:24.400 a living? Well, in three minutes, nothing. Yeah, exactly. 853 00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:25.519 There's no other thing. 854 00:37:25.699 --> 00:37:29.829 No other thing. Who are you? In three minutes, nothing. Yeah. Yeah. 855 00:37:29.869 --> 00:37:33.230 I mean, the moment the system starts to... Yeah, yeah. 856 00:37:33.269 --> 00:37:34.309 The DMTs release. 857 00:37:34.329 --> 00:37:38.690 Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's ideally what you should have accumulated. 858 00:37:39.889 --> 00:37:43.510 What you should have accumulated in life is, well, yeah, 859 00:37:43.849 --> 00:37:46.369 I fucked up royally over here, but I did this 860 00:37:46.429 --> 00:37:50.800 other thing. Yes. And it all comes incredibly clear. For 861 00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:55.800 some reason, it may be biochemical. That's why I say experiential. 862 00:37:56.639 --> 00:38:00.199 It's human. It's not that I'm a luddite. I'm not 863 00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:02.280 a guy that says, well, you know, we should not 864 00:38:02.409 --> 00:38:04.909 use technology. No, no, no. It's just, look, at the 865 00:38:04.969 --> 00:38:07.570 end of the day, the invoice is what did you 866 00:38:07.670 --> 00:38:11.570 live to achieve? Whatever it is, it doesn't have to 867 00:38:11.610 --> 00:38:13.429 be a big thing. I was a good brother. 868 00:38:14.530 --> 00:38:16.260 What a gift to have at the end. 869 00:38:16.300 --> 00:38:18.619 What a gift to say that. Yes. I was a 870 00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:21.539 good father or I was a good son. You don't 871 00:38:21.579 --> 00:38:23.869 have to be all of that. I was a good friend. 872 00:38:24.210 --> 00:38:27.030 That's why I just say, please, just let's be careful 873 00:38:27.090 --> 00:38:31.469 for a second about how we launch into... The next 874 00:38:31.550 --> 00:38:34.510 incarnation of our humanity. I'm not saying don't do this 875 00:38:34.570 --> 00:38:37.429 or do that. Always balance it against this other. 876 00:38:37.489 --> 00:38:38.449 Just pay attention. 877 00:38:38.710 --> 00:38:42.849 Pursue. So, okay, your first, I think, professional job, right, 878 00:38:42.889 --> 00:38:45.730 is you write five episodes and you direct four episodes 879 00:38:45.769 --> 00:38:46.030 of this. 880 00:38:46.590 --> 00:38:48.550 No, before that even. I mean, I was doing my 881 00:38:48.590 --> 00:38:50.949 super eights and people started to say, oh, you know 882 00:38:50.989 --> 00:38:53.349 how to do makeup effects? Would you do them on 883 00:38:53.389 --> 00:38:55.929 my short film or my indie film? And I started 884 00:38:56.530 --> 00:38:59.050 to do effects for other people while I wrote and 885 00:38:59.070 --> 00:39:03.199 directed my own shorts. And I said, well, when I 886 00:39:03.300 --> 00:39:07.059 quit real estate, I said, I'll try to make a 887 00:39:07.099 --> 00:39:10.380 living this other way. And I founded my company with 888 00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:13.199 my partner and my then wife called Necropia. 889 00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:17.159 Necropia. That's a good name. I assume in Spanish, this 890 00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:19.650 is still the base Latin of necro. 891 00:39:19.769 --> 00:39:23.309 The place where the dead dwell. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. 892 00:39:23.909 --> 00:39:27.050 But the thing I'm curious

about is before you did 893 00:39:27.289 --> 00:39:31.340 your first big movie, you had been working for three 894 00:39:31.420 --> 00:39:33.699 years building puppets. 895 00:39:34.199 --> 00:39:37.539 Building the machine, the little Kronos device. What I said 896 00:39:37.760 --> 00:39:41.469 is 10 years before. And funny enough, I studied under 897 00:39:41.550 --> 00:39:45.449 Dick Smith, who was the Oscar-winning makeup effects man that 898 00:39:45.469 --> 00:39:51.019 did Amadeus, that did Godfather, The Exorcist. Wow. altered states. 899 00:39:51.500 --> 00:39:55.440 He accepted me into his makeup effects course and the 900 00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:58.739 Academy But part of his estate. And they found my 901 00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:00.320 first letter. Oh, really? 902 00:40:00.340 --> 00:40:01.679 To him. No way. 903 00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:05.500 And I found it remarkable. I'm still the same guy. Yeah. 904 00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:07.300 What I say, what I say I am, what I 905 00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:09.679 think of the genre, how I think it can be 906 00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:12.679 a parable. It's the same. I said, oh, I like 907 00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:14.349 this gift. That's a gift. 908 00:40:14.650 --> 00:40:17.170 Well, you had an incredible gift, which is you kind 909 00:40:17.190 --> 00:40:18.590 of knew what you were about pretty young. 910 00:40:18.610 --> 00:40:20.530 When I was very, very young. 911 00:40:20.849 --> 00:40:22.869 I guess of all the gifts one can have in life, 912 00:40:23.010 --> 00:40:23.929 I think that's the one. 913 00:40:23.989 --> 00:40:26.530 I'll ask Amy at the Academy if she wants to 914 00:40:26.570 --> 00:40:30.320 share it with you. Oh, yes. It's the letterhead from Necropia. 915 00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:33.579 And I basically say in my second or third letter, 916 00:40:34.019 --> 00:40:36.619 I say, look, I'm not going to do this for 917 00:40:36.659 --> 00:40:39.260 a living. I just want to make my first movie. 918 00:40:39.320 --> 00:40:42.889 And there's no one in my country that makes makeup effects. 919 00:40:43.230 --> 00:40:46.820 So I have to found a company. work for a 920 00:40:46.860 --> 00:40:50.070 few years into having the equipment and then make my 921 00:40:50.110 --> 00:40:50.769 first movie. 922 00:40:50.889 --> 00:40:53.869 But I'm referring to, didn't you create for a stop 923 00:40:53.929 --> 00:40:56.070 motion film you were intending on making? 924 00:40:56.110 --> 00:40:57.070 Yeah, I was going to do that. 925 00:40:57.090 --> 00:40:58.219 A hundred puppets. 926 00:40:58.260 --> 00:40:58.489 Yeah. 927 00:40:58.900 --> 00:41:01.679 And the studio was broken into and everything was vandalized 928 00:41:01.719 --> 00:41:02.320 and destroyed. 929 00:41:02.340 --> 00:41:04.940 Destroyed and they smeared poop in the walls. 930 00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:05.599 Okay. No! 931 00:41:08.219 --> 00:41:09.909 In Mexico, they call it foxing. 932 00:41:10.690 --> 00:41:11.829 Oh, it's a tradition. 933

00:41:11.909 --> 00:41:16.510 Yeah, well, that type of burglary, they call it mesorearon. 934 00:41:16.809 --> 00:41:19.389 Meaning somebody peed and pooed everywhere. 935 00:41:19.510 --> 00:41:20.369 Oh, my God. 936 00:41:20.429 --> 00:41:22.110 Sure. They went ape in there. 937 00:41:22.179 --> 00:41:25.500 No, what it means is they didn't find anything worth stealing. 938 00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:26.679 So they got pissed. 939 00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:27.559 They got revenge. 940 00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:32.340 But how did you recoup from having spent that much 941 00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:36.119 time working and focusing on something and having to say 942 00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:37.300 goodbye to that. 943 00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:40.190 A friend of mine said to me, the key to 944 00:41:40.230 --> 00:41:42.949 life is huge windshield, small rearview mirror. 945 00:41:44.570 --> 00:41:45.130 That's nice. 946 00:41:45.230 --> 00:41:49.369 I think that's a very succinct, like I remember, and 947 00:41:49.409 --> 00:41:53.269 you may remember when computers started, I started writing on 948 00:41:53.349 --> 00:41:57.380 a word processor and you could save three pages at once. 949 00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.780 And I was like, this is who can do anything better. 950 00:42:01.280 --> 00:42:04.769 Then computers came and I was 20 something writing a 951 00:42:04.809 --> 00:42:07.710 book on Alfred Hitchcock, which got published by the university. 952 00:42:08.289 --> 00:42:12.360 But I had done. 130 pages or something like that, 953 00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:17.159 and I erased the disk. And I immediately went, okay, 954 00:42:17.179 --> 00:42:17.599 page one. 955 00:42:18.300 --> 00:42:21.320 But, okay, page one, new project, or page one, the 956 00:42:21.340 --> 00:42:21.650 same one? 957 00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:22.429 Again. Same one. 958 00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:23.739 That's a constitution. 959 00:42:23.780 --> 00:42:24.219 That's hard. 960 00:42:24.260 --> 00:42:26.860 That's a personality trait. I don't know that you can 961 00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:27.519 teach that. 962 00:42:27.539 --> 00:42:29.840 No, no, you have to sort of have it. You know, 963 00:42:29.900 --> 00:42:33.239 it came from crashing motorcycles. I remember this. When I 964 00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:36.289 was in motocross, I would take a dune the wrong way, 965 00:42:36.949 --> 00:42:39.690 And I was on a 300 enduro motorcycle, which is 966 00:42:39.730 --> 00:42:44.840 too heavy for motocross. And in the air, I was thinking, OK, 967 00:42:44.989 --> 00:42:47.460 I'm going to die or break my bones. And then 968 00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:49.840 something went wrong. I said, OK, I didn't die. I 969 00:42:49.860 --> 00:42:52.539 broke my bones. How do I get up? How do 970 00:42:52.579 --> 00:42:55.260 I push the bike off of me? Like immediately it 971 00:42:55.300 --> 00:42:56.530 was like, OK, next step. 972 00:42:56.550 --> 00:42:57.969 Solution, solution, solution. 973 00:42:58.010 --> 00:43:02.809 Which, by the way, eventually. As a person, there's a 974 00:43:02.869 --> 00:43:05.349 lot of you that you don't process. And one day 975 00:43:05.369 --> 00:43:07.409 you're crossing the street and you have a panic attack 976 00:43:07.469 --> 00:43:09.110 or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 977 00:43:09.289 --> 00:43:10.329 And that's that thing. 978 00:43:10.250 --> 00:43:14.199 From 20 years ago. That I didn't process 15 years ago. Yeah. Okay, 979 00:43:14.219 --> 00:43:16.659 so you do Kronos. So I found the company. I 980 00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:20.320 do all the special effects. I do commercials, 15 movies, blah, blah, blah. 981 00:43:20.780 --> 00:43:23.139 And then I have the tools. Then I made Chronos, 982 00:43:23.260 --> 00:43:26.300 which is incredibly hard to do, incredibly against the grain, 983 00:43:26.619 --> 00:43:30.619 incredibly unpopular with the financiers and the government and all that. Sure. 984 00:43:30.699 --> 00:43:33.849 And then it wins at Cannes. That's in two seconds, 985 00:43:34.190 --> 00:43:36.929 an eight year journey. Wow. Wow. Wow. 986 00:43:36.969 --> 00:43:41.389 Wow. What film opens up the door to mimic? 987 00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:44.420 Well, Mimic, which it was a trap door. 988 00:43:44.860 --> 00:43:46.659 As we're about to learn. 989 00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:50.469 At Miramax, they loved Kronos, supposedly. Turns out they didn't. 990 00:43:50.829 --> 00:43:52.250 Yeah, they probably didn't even see it. 991 00:43:52.250 --> 00:43:54.570 They probably didn't even see it. But at any rate, 992 00:43:54.610 --> 00:43:57.789 we developed, they wanted to do a three or four 993 00:43:58.190 --> 00:44:02.809 anthology movie with Bryan Singer, myself, I think four directors. 994 00:44:03.070 --> 00:44:05.329 And they said, develop a short story. And I had 995 00:44:05.389 --> 00:44:07.820 read Mimic and I said, well, we can do this 996 00:44:07.949 --> 00:44:11.420 one as a short, 30 minutes. I showed them the tests. 997 00:44:11.989 --> 00:44:13.750 And they said, we got to do it as a feature. 998 00:44:13.769 --> 00:44:16.110 And I go, I don't think there's a feature in there. 999 00:44:16.349 --> 00:44:16.630 Right. 1000 00:44:16.809 --> 00:44:20.449 I've been unemployed. Kronos is 91, 92, we finished shooting. 1001 00:44:20.530 --> 00:44:23.369 It comes out in 93. I owe a lot of money. 1002 00:44:23.829 --> 00:44:26.389 I owe a quarter of a million dollars at 28. 1003 00:44:26.389 --> 00:44:29.639 It's not great for creativity. 1004 00:44:29.659 --> 00:44:31.280 No, it's great for creativity. And I said, well, I 1005 00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:33.900 got to pay that. By the way, that money, whatever 1006 00:44:33.960 --> 00:44:36.539 I make on Mimic, I put into paying the ransom 1007 00:44:36.579 --> 00:44:37.400 for my father. Oh. 1008 00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:41.900 This is all I'm presuming 97. My dad is kidding 1009 00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:44.130 on 98. But this period, I'm presuming is one of 1010

00:44:44.150 --> 00:44:48.610 the hardest chapters of your life. Between directing this movie, 1011 00:44:48.650 --> 00:44:51.150 we must say that this movie is a miserable experience 1012 00:44:51.190 --> 00:44:51.570 for you. 1013 00:44:51.869 --> 00:44:54.050 Oh, my God. No, more than that. Let me put 1014 00:44:54.070 --> 00:44:57.449 it this way. That movie is the worst experience I've 1015 00:44:57.510 --> 00:44:57.909 ever had. 1016 00:44:57.949 --> 00:44:58.449 Really? 1017 00:44:58.630 --> 00:45:01.789 Including everything. Yeah, because nothing made sense. You are giving 1018 00:45:01.989 --> 00:45:04.710 someone what time will prove. It doesn't matter if it's 1019 00:45:04.909 --> 00:45:08.389 good or not. You're giving them your 100%. You're giving 1020 00:45:08.409 --> 00:45:12.389 them images and moments and episodes in the film that 1021 00:45:12.449 --> 00:45:14.269 are great. And they hate them. 1022 00:45:14.530 --> 00:45:18.150 They fucked with you on casting, ultimately editing. They fired 1023 00:45:18.190 --> 00:45:19.670 you at one point or tried to. 1024 00:45:19.849 --> 00:45:22.329 They actually fired me on a Friday and I was 1025 00:45:22.389 --> 00:45:23.309 rehired on a Monday. 1026 00:45:23.329 --> 00:45:24.150 Yeah. 1027 00:45:24.230 --> 00:45:24.969 That same Monday. 1028 00:45:25.090 --> 00:45:26.340 And Brolin was in this movie. 1029 00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:26.739 Yeah, Brolin. 1030 00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:29.239 That's why I called him. I loved Brolin. He was 1031 00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:31.900 in a rough period for himself, as he told me. 1032 00:45:31.900 --> 00:45:33.420 He's like, I was drinking a lot on that. 1033 00:45:33.460 --> 00:45:35.440 He was drinking and he was reading a lot. And 1034 00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:39.159 we would have these deep, deep, super deep discussions. 1035 00:45:39.570 --> 00:45:40.869 Too deep and unproductive. 1036 00:45:40.969 --> 00:45:43.969 What I love about Brolin... There are certain people that 1037 00:45:44.010 --> 00:45:46.789 have the soul of a poet and the pain of 1038 00:45:46.869 --> 00:45:49.099 a soul of a poet. Yeah. They have that. Yeah. 1039 00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:51.940 And whether they're actors, directors, writers, you love them for 1040 00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:54.639 the purity of their pain. Yeah. 1041 00:45:54.659 --> 00:45:55.019 A hundred percent. 1042 00:45:55.039 --> 00:45:57.760 Which I think is a huge gift. 1043 00:45:57.860 --> 00:45:58.510 It's an asset. 1044 00:45:58.690 --> 00:46:01.730 If your pain is pure, your song is clearer. You 1045 00:46:01.769 --> 00:46:05.309 sing in a louder voice. clearer voice in this world. 1046 00:46:05.349 --> 00:46:07.150 This is so out of school, but I have said 1047 00:46:07.170 --> 00:46:09.550 it when I interviewed his ex, but I was around 1048 00:46:09.590 --> 00:46:13.389 Heath Ledger several times in important ways, and I could 1049 00:46:13.710 --> 00:46:17.670 feel the weight on him that was much more severe

1050 00:46:17.710 --> 00:46:21.829 than the weight I've experienced. It was palpable and heartbreaking, 1051 00:46:22.349 --> 00:46:25.510 and also why he was just so brilliant and riveting. 1052 00:46:25.530 --> 00:46:26.389 What he does with that. 1053 00:46:26.670 --> 00:46:27.469 Exactly. 1054 00:46:27.550 --> 00:46:30.739 But you can philosophize all you want. The experiencing of 1055 00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:34.789 it is never altruistic, but I happen to think that 1056 00:46:35.030 --> 00:46:40.400 with age, you learn mechanisms that are more truthful to 1057 00:46:40.440 --> 00:46:43.340 the way the world works, and you learn to declare 1058 00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:47.769 your worst self without fear. The moment of freedom is 1059 00:46:47.829 --> 00:46:49.989 not when you are at your best. It's when you 1060 00:46:50.030 --> 00:46:51.809 are at your worst and you say, and that's me. 1061 00:46:52.210 --> 00:46:55.659 It's the only clarity you can aspire to. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1062 00:46:56.070 --> 00:46:57.730 I just had this the other day where I had 1063 00:46:57.750 --> 00:47:02.239 to present an award. This bit went wrong. It was ill-conceived. 1064 00:47:02.280 --> 00:47:04.880 The whole thing was terrible. And when I was driving home, 1065 00:47:05.019 --> 00:47:06.980 I was like, oh, yeah, I like myself just as much. 1066 00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.340 And it was a moment for me. I was like, oh, 1067 00:47:09.739 --> 00:47:12.559 we've arrived somewhere that that doesn't matter what just happened. 1068 00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:17.170 There's a great mechanism. It's very simple, very simple in therapy. 1069 00:47:17.469 --> 00:47:20.570 When the question you have to ask of anything is, and? 1070 00:47:21.429 --> 00:47:22.130 I crashed my car. 1071 00:47:22.369 --> 00:47:22.469 And? 1072 00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:25.679 Well, I'm going to take it to repair. And? It's 1073 00:47:25.699 --> 00:47:26.219 going to come back. 1074 00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:27.079 Oh, yeah. 1075 00:47:27.980 --> 00:47:31.099 And? I lost a million dollars. And? Right. 1076 00:47:31.380 --> 00:47:33.820 Yeah, we stop. We don't model out the whole thing. 1077 00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:35.239 We stop at the part we hated. 1078 00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:36.639 Or the part we love. 1079 00:47:36.659 --> 00:47:37.420 Oh, yeah. 1080 00:47:37.519 --> 00:47:38.619 I met someone great. 1081 00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:39.000 And? 1082 00:47:39.260 --> 00:47:45.079 Yeah. I just met them. Oh, okay. Yeah. Everybody takes 1083 00:47:45.139 --> 00:47:45.739 a trash on Tuesday. 1084 00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:48.139 They have two kids they haven't seen in three years. Oh, okay. 1085 00:47:48.219 --> 00:47:52.119 That is also cultural. The tragedy of certain cultures is 1086 00:47:52.179 --> 00:47:54.809 to tell you that one day you'll get there. 1087 00:47:55.070 --> 00:47:55.969 Yeah, exactly. 1088 00:47:56.070 --> 00:47:58.670 What is there? I just wrote a scene in a 1089 00:47:58.690 --> 00:48:00.889 movie that we're going to shoot in stop motion, all that, 1090 00:48:01.530 --> 00:48:04.789 where they have to face death, which is apparently my 1091 00:48:04.829 --> 00:48:05.510 favorite theme. 1092 00:48:05.530 --> 00:48:06.429 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1093 00:48:06.650 --> 00:48:08.630 And the guy says, is this it? And death says, 1094 00:48:09.010 --> 00:48:10.250 what else were you expecting? 1095 00:48:10.489 --> 00:48:13.070 Okay, so there's two things that are happening all in 1096 00:48:13.110 --> 00:48:16.190 the same zone. Your father gets kidnapped and you've had 1097 00:48:16.230 --> 00:48:19.719 this insanely terrible experience on Mimic. And both of these 1098 00:48:19.780 --> 00:48:24.309 things end up involving James Cameron in this very sweet 1099 00:48:24.349 --> 00:48:25.869 way that I want to shine a light on. 1100 00:48:25.909 --> 00:48:27.739 Very sweet. First of all, he said, don't do it. 1101 00:48:28.329 --> 00:48:29.309 Don't do the movie. Yeah. 1102 00:48:29.670 --> 00:48:32.559 We were sitting in his garden. I mean, by this time, 1103 00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:36.199 we're brothers and Jim is my brother. Any trouble, I'll 1104 00:48:36.219 --> 00:48:38.420 call Jim. We've gone through everything together. 1105 00:48:38.619 --> 00:48:39.670 He's a good big brother, too. 1106 00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:44.730 He's a great big brother. I highly recommend it. 1107 00:48:44.750 --> 00:48:45.489 Good choice. 1108 00:48:45.510 --> 00:48:48.150 But he's one of the guys that shows up. Yeah. 1109 00:48:48.190 --> 00:48:49.409 He shows up with lasagna. 1110 00:48:49.570 --> 00:48:50.269 Yeah. 1111 00:48:50.289 --> 00:48:54.449 He says, I'm here. I think he's Mexican. But he says, 1112 00:48:54.530 --> 00:48:56.010 don't make the movie. You're going to get none of 1113 00:48:56.050 --> 00:48:58.380 the budget and all of the pain. He has warned 1114 00:48:58.389 --> 00:49:02.400 me two times. I'll keep the other one secret. But 1115 00:49:02.440 --> 00:49:05.679 both times he was right. And I made the movie. 1116 00:49:05.820 --> 00:49:08.059 I go through it. He almost gets into a fistfight 1117 00:49:08.099 --> 00:49:09.519 with Harvey Weinstein at the Oscars. 1118 00:49:09.539 --> 00:49:10.579 Monica, you must know this story. 1119 00:49:10.659 --> 00:49:10.920 What? 1120 00:49:11.239 --> 00:49:15.250 He has won his 25th Oscar of the night for Titanic. 1121 00:49:15.610 --> 00:49:18.409 He's holding the editing, I believe, Oscar. I think is 1122 00:49:18.429 --> 00:49:20.809 the other thing he's coming back to his seat it's 1123 00:49:20.869 --> 00:49:23.510 in commercial and harvey weinstein decides this is a great 1124 00:49:23.550 --> 00:49:25.269 opportunity to come up to him and he said you 1125 00:49:25.309 --> 00:49:27.880 know why don't you work at miramax we're a filmmaker 1126 00:49:27.949 --> 00:49:31.639 friendly studio and jim fucking goes. 1127 00:49:31.739 --> 00:49:34.260 Off on him No, do you mean like the way

1128 00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:34.760 you treated Guillermo? 1129 00:49:34.780 --> 00:49:37.579 He treated my friend Guillermo and he lets it rip 1130 00:49:38.059 --> 00:49:42.019 on the floor of the Academy Awards. People have to intervene. 1131 00:49:42.119 --> 00:49:44.539 James is like, he almost got belted in the head 1132 00:49:44.579 --> 00:49:45.400 with this Oscar. 1133 00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:47.199 James said, I was almost going to belt him with 1134 00:49:47.219 --> 00:49:49.670 the Oscar. And the thing is, what people don't understand, 1135 00:49:49.750 --> 00:49:52.449 back then, the public image of these guys was that 1136 00:49:52.489 --> 00:49:54.849 they were patrons of the arts. Yes, exactly. 1137 00:49:55.050 --> 00:49:57.730 Yeah, Miramax was independent and arty. 1138 00:49:58.170 --> 00:50:01.750 And they bad-mouthed me everywhere. So for five years, I 1139 00:50:01.789 --> 00:50:05.880 couldn't work. Ah! For five years between Mimic and Devil's Backbone, 1140 00:50:06.300 --> 00:50:07.760 I was unhirable, basically. 1141 00:50:08.260 --> 00:50:08.780 Oh, my. 1142 00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:11.739 You know, so everybody has heard I couldn't create images. 1143 00:50:11.780 --> 00:50:14.159 They had to come in. And what I did, and 1144 00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:16.869 this is, again, the same mechanism. I said, I don't 1145 00:50:16.889 --> 00:50:19.030 need to make movies there. Yeah. I'll make a movie 1146 00:50:19.070 --> 00:50:19.489 in Spain. 1147 00:50:19.849 --> 00:50:20.869 Yes, exactly. 1148 00:50:20.989 --> 00:50:23.650 I don't need them. When you mourn something you have, 1149 00:50:24.489 --> 00:50:27.579 celebrate everything else. that you could have. 1150 00:50:27.860 --> 00:50:28.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1151 00:50:28.920 --> 00:50:29.480 You know what I'm saying? 1152 00:50:29.559 --> 00:50:31.820 Well, if you cannot be focused on this thing that 1153 00:50:31.840 --> 00:50:33.889 you wanted and you lost because you can no longer 1154 00:50:33.929 --> 00:50:37.090 focus on what's... Well, it's like mourning, the risk of mourning. 1155 00:50:37.170 --> 00:50:39.969 If you lose somebody close to you, there's a syndrome 1156 00:50:40.150 --> 00:50:43.010 where you stop paying attention to everybody else that was 1157 00:50:43.110 --> 00:50:44.980 left for you. That's true. 1158 00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:47.500 Like you lose a son or you lose a brother. Well, 1159 00:50:47.539 --> 00:50:50.800 you have other siblings. I'm not being glib. You stop 1160 00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:53.380 paying attention. It's the same in life. 1161 00:50:53.519 --> 00:50:55.820 The reaction to losing a loved one should be, fuck, 1162 00:50:55.909 --> 00:50:58.530 I got to double cherish the ones in front of me. 1163 00:50:58.590 --> 00:51:00.170 But the reverse happens sometimes. 1164 00:51:00.190 --> 00:51:02.730 And Pedro Almodovar had said to me, if we can 1165 00:51:02.769 --> 00:51:05.530 produce a movie for you, let us know. And during 1166 00:51:05.570 --> 00:51:09.849 the kidnapping of my dad, three things happened. One is 1167 00:51:09.889 --> 00:51:12.690 the negotiator, which Jim Cameron did. 1168 00:51:13.829 --> 00:51:16.489 So Jim said, let me. His father was kidnapped for 1169 00:51:16.489 --> 00:51:17.489 72 days. 1170 00:51:17.880 --> 00:51:20.659 First phone call is, we want $ 3 million in three days, 1171 00:51:20.659 --> 00:51:22.889 $ 5 million in five days, or we chop his head off. 1172 00:51:22.900 --> 00:51:24.230 That was the first phone call. 1173 00:51:24.530 --> 00:51:24.590 Oh. 1174 00:51:25.469 --> 00:51:28.440 And first third of the kidnapping, I go and hide 1175 00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:30.920 in a closet, cover my ears, cannot talk while they're talking. 1176 00:51:31.380 --> 00:51:34.739 Last third of the kidnapping, I negotiate. So somewhere in 1177 00:51:34.780 --> 00:51:38.519 the middle, you change. My beard comes off. I have 1178 00:51:38.840 --> 00:51:40.119 no hair in my face. 1179 00:51:40.510 --> 00:51:41.170 And it arrives. 1180 00:51:41.250 --> 00:51:41.829 It arrives. 1181 00:51:41.969 --> 00:51:42.550 Oh, my goodness. 1182 00:51:42.610 --> 00:51:45.030 My mother loses all her hair during the 72 days. 1183 00:51:45.190 --> 00:51:49.190 All the hair. Eyebrows, hair, everything. But this guy comes in. 1184 00:51:49.289 --> 00:51:51.980 Jim hires him. People say, oh, he paid the ransom. No, 1185 00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:54.280 we paid the ransom. But he paid for the negotiator. 1186 00:51:54.480 --> 00:51:56.079 And he offered to pay the ransom, right? 1187 00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:58.039 He did. He said, I'll get it in cash in 1188 00:51:58.059 --> 00:51:59.179 a helicopter. I said, Jim. 1189 00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:01.460 And I'll be flying the helicopter. 1190 00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:03.920 I'll go in with Navy SEALs. I said, Jim. Oh, 1191 00:52:03.940 --> 00:52:04.159 my God. 1192 00:52:04.179 --> 00:52:05.420 Slow down, slow down, slow down. 1193 00:52:05.460 --> 00:52:07.460 He is such a good big brother. 1194 00:52:07.480 --> 00:52:08.159 Degraded. 1195 00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:10.679 I mean, I obviously like respect him so much, but 1196 00:52:10.820 --> 00:52:13.920 that really makes me respect him as a person. 1197 00:52:14.059 --> 00:52:17.139 Although we were in tragedy, I said, look, I don't 1198 00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:20.269 want you to solve it. We have to solve it. Yeah. 1199 00:52:20.429 --> 00:52:24.329 But what happens is in the first 72 hours, they 1200 00:52:24.349 --> 00:52:26.309 call back and we say, I think we were able 1201 00:52:26.369 --> 00:52:29.150 to gather because my father never gave any of us 1202 00:52:29.469 --> 00:52:30.389 access to the money. 1203 00:52:30.409 --> 00:52:32.360 Nor I'm sure told anyone where it's all at. 1204 00:52:32.469 --> 00:52:35.489 It was his money, but we couldn't access it at all, 1205 00:52:35.550 --> 00:52:37.690 not even. And so I put whatever I had left 1206 00:52:37.829 --> 00:52:40.360

of Mimic, which was very little because I had paid 1207 00:52:40.420 --> 00:52:43.059 the debt from Crocs. That's what we had. So three 1208 00:52:43.099 --> 00:52:46.059 days later, before the negotiator arrives, we say, I think 1209 00:52:46.099 --> 00:52:49.800 we can gather about $ 100, 000. And they hung up. And 1210 00:52:49.820 --> 00:52:51.820 we said, oh, and the negotiator arrives and said, what 1211 00:52:51.840 --> 00:52:55.230 did you say? $ 100, 000. The negotiator says that same day 1212 00:52:55.690 --> 00:52:59.199 is going to stay between 70 and 75 days. And 1213 00:52:59.219 --> 00:53:03.199 you screwed up. He said, because if you can get $ 100, 000 1214 00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:07.480 in three days, you can get a million. And so 1215 00:53:07.500 --> 00:53:10.400 they're going to squeeze you. Brutal to know that, but 1216 00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:12.380 that's the way the experience was. 1217 00:53:12.519 --> 00:53:14.280 Can I ask, and maybe this is too personal, is 1218 00:53:14.360 --> 00:53:17.079 there the moment at the end from a movie where 1219 00:53:17.300 --> 00:53:20.059 he walks out of somewhere and the money has been 1220 00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:20.619 placed somewhere? 1221 00:53:20.860 --> 00:53:25.699 Well, that's a whole hour. And it's incredibly harrowing. But 1222 00:53:26.030 --> 00:53:27.969 when people say, oh, you know, you had a great career, 1223 00:53:28.010 --> 00:53:32.590 I said, no. I've survived a career. It's a brutal biography. 1224 00:53:33.090 --> 00:53:36.039 But people always think where you are is where you've 1225 00:53:36.099 --> 00:53:36.639 always been. 1226 00:53:36.860 --> 00:53:37.360 Sure, sure. 1227 00:53:37.380 --> 00:53:39.699 But of course it isn't. And the kidnapping was the same. 1228 00:53:40.420 --> 00:53:42.420 Many days you would wake up and say, what if 1229 00:53:42.460 --> 00:53:43.199 he doesn't return? 1230 00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:48.110 Well, the protective part of your brain has to be 1231 00:53:48.210 --> 00:53:51.449 actively also preparing you for that. to save you. 1232 00:53:51.780 --> 00:53:54.340 When we talk about people that are similar as directors, 1233 00:53:54.380 --> 00:53:57.019 some visual, some this or that, the difference is in 1234 00:53:57.059 --> 00:54:01.639 your experience. I am acutely aware of the spiritual and 1235 00:54:01.659 --> 00:54:05.159 I'm acutely aware of pain. That makes a difference. Your 1236 00:54:05.219 --> 00:54:08.280 images are charged in a different way and they help 1237 00:54:08.300 --> 00:54:11.179 you through this. The negotiator says that. He says, what 1238 00:54:11.199 --> 00:54:13.469 do you do, each of us? And I say, I'm 1239 00:54:13.510 --> 00:54:17.650 a writer, director. He says, write. Every day, write. For 1240 00:54:17.670 --> 00:54:20.699 three to four hours every day, I want you He's kidnapped, 1241 00:54:20.719 --> 00:54:23.920 not you. You're going to discipline yourself into sitting down. 1242 00:54:24.280

--> 00:54:25.619 This person's special. 1243 00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:28.679 He was an English agent. He had worked for the 1244 00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:32.119 Secret Service in England. Fascinating guy. Yeah. But he says, 1245 00:54:32.420 --> 00:54:35.760 you're not kidnapped. He is. You're a writer, write. And 1246 00:54:35.800 --> 00:54:38.119 what you will be assigned in this first part is 1247 00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:41.849 you will transfer all the phone calls into dialogue. And 1248 00:54:42.010 --> 00:54:43.190 in English and in Spanish. 1249 00:54:43.329 --> 00:54:45.230 Wow. Okay. He kept you busy. 1250 00:54:45.920 --> 00:54:48.079 Well, he makes you do what you do. And that 1251 00:54:48.119 --> 00:54:50.480 helps you find a center. But the other thing that 1252 00:54:50.519 --> 00:54:54.349 happens then, I start writing two things. Monte Cristo, which 1253 00:54:54.369 --> 00:54:57.190 is about revenge, and The Devil's Backbone. Oh, my gosh. 1254 00:54:57.309 --> 00:55:00.570 For Pedro. Pedro, during the kidnapping, comes and visits me. 1255 00:55:00.829 --> 00:55:02.690 And I said, here's what I'm writing. And he says, 1256 00:55:02.889 --> 00:55:05.639 these are like three movies in one. I said, no, no, no. 1257 00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:08.800 But I developed The Devil's Backbone and Monte Cristo while 1258 00:55:08.820 --> 00:55:09.940 my dad is kidnapped. 1259 00:55:10.230 --> 00:55:11.429 Were you talking to your dad? 1260 00:55:11.469 --> 00:55:13.530 Like, how did you know? Very few times. We talked 1261 00:55:13.550 --> 00:55:15.969 to him only one time as proof of life. His 1262 00:55:15.989 --> 00:55:17.920 first line is, why are you taking so long? 1263 00:55:17.940 --> 00:55:21.559 Because you know it tells where the money is, motherfucker. 1264 00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:24.380 By the way, we already paid once. And now we 1265 00:55:24.400 --> 00:55:27.559 have to pay again. They said, now we have enough money, 1266 00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:28.179 we can wait. 1267 00:55:28.579 --> 00:55:29.119 Oh, my God. 1268 00:55:29.139 --> 00:55:32.800 So they keep him another 30-something days. I'm 62. And 1269 00:55:32.860 --> 00:55:37.030 now I'm the only one that remembers that my mother 1270 00:55:37.050 --> 00:55:39.719 is gone, my dad is gone. My brother's gone. 1271 00:55:40.010 --> 00:55:41.530 Do you draw on that often? 1272 00:55:42.170 --> 00:55:45.130 Only in whatever little tools you get philosophically to come 1273 00:55:45.150 --> 00:55:47.949 with that. But, you know, that's when somebody talks about, oh, 1274 00:55:48.210 --> 00:55:50.909 you know, you're an artist and you're privileged. And you say, 1275 00:55:51.050 --> 00:55:53.510 I'm more than that. Well, you're the sum of everything. 1276 00:55:54.010 --> 00:55:57.389 Don't judge anyone by where they are. Judge how did 1277 00:55:57.429 --> 00:56:00.230 they get there? What did they learn in the process? 1278 00:56:00.269 --> 00:56:00.969 What did you go through? 1279 00:56:02.889 --> 00:56:07.449 Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert. If you dare. 1280 00:56:14.929 --> 00:56:17.309 So now you go on a run. The Devil's Backbone 1281 00:56:17.369 --> 00:56:18.449 is incredible. 1282 00:56:18.659 --> 00:56:22.670 But even that, for example, comes out 9-10. The next day, 9-11. 1283 00:56:23.679 --> 00:56:23.940 Oh. 1284 00:56:24.300 --> 00:56:28.139 And you learn, okay, whatever joy you achieved in Toronto 1285 00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:31.159 Film Festival that day, and you feel like a winner, 1286 00:56:31.199 --> 00:56:32.519 then life tells you. 1287 00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:34.079 Talk about impermanence. 1288 00:56:34.119 --> 00:56:37.530 Yes. There's all this cosmic stuff. You learn at a 1289 00:56:37.610 --> 00:56:42.559 visceral level how connected... All our fates are. I mean, 1290 00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:45.449 that's the impossible thing for me is how we have 1291 00:56:45.489 --> 00:56:50.829 been individualized by machines that have basically worked as narcissistic mirrors. 1292 00:56:51.250 --> 00:56:55.389 And we are now incapable of understanding that we are 1293 00:56:55.849 --> 00:56:59.039 all a single cell unit, whether we like it or not. 1294 00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:03.159 When you only think of yourself, it's cancer. We have cancer. 1295 00:57:03.400 --> 00:57:08.199 The key to happiness. Sartre said, hell is the others. Heaven. 1296 00:57:09.090 --> 00:57:11.090 It's also the other. If you have kids and you say, 1297 00:57:11.210 --> 00:57:14.710 I just want their good, you are immediately happy. You know, yes, 1298 00:57:14.769 --> 00:57:17.340 I'm going through this, but my kids are good. You 1299 00:57:17.380 --> 00:57:20.639 can always say that. It's like Marty Feldman in Young Frankenstein. 1300 00:57:20.739 --> 00:57:24.340 It could be worse. It could be raining. There's always 1301 00:57:24.380 --> 00:57:25.860 that permutation. Yeah. 1302 00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:28.880 Okay. I just want to get to pans now because 1303 00:57:29.039 --> 00:57:30.000 we do Blade II. 1304 00:57:30.019 --> 00:57:30.500 Mm-hmm. 1305 00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:31.780 And then Hellboy. 1306 00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:33.159 Plato is a blast. 1307 00:57:33.179 --> 00:57:36.699 I would imagine. Wesley, he's an enigma to me. 1308 00:57:36.840 --> 00:57:40.059 He's an enigma to me. Well, at one point, he 1309 00:57:40.099 --> 00:57:46.070 said to me, I am unknowable. Oh, really? Absolutely agree. 1310 00:57:46.329 --> 00:57:49.750 I wanted to prove how I could handle big action. 1311 00:57:49.949 --> 00:57:53.550 Because part of the myth on Mimic, the Weinsteins were saying, well, 1312 00:57:53.570 --> 00:57:56.289 he cannot do big movies. And I go, oh, I can't? 1313 00:57:56.789 --> 00:58:00.119 I'll show you. Yes. Yeah. And Blade was done for 1314 00:58:00.380 --> 00:58:04.909 about $ 35, $ 40 million plus Wesley's salary. But it was 1315 00:58:05.150 --> 00:58:06.469 a relatively small movie. 1316 00:58:06.570 -->

00:58:06.869 Yes. 1317 00:58:06.969 --> 00:58:09.010 And I wanted it to look big and the action 1318 00:58:09.050 --> 00:58:11.489 to be very innovative and all that. And he said 1319 00:58:11.530 --> 00:58:13.510 to me, I have a few rules. He says, I 1320 00:58:13.550 --> 00:58:16.889 don't do overshoulders. Oh. I'll give you three setups a day, 1321 00:58:17.110 --> 00:58:19.750 four setups a day. And the rest you do with 1322 00:58:19.969 --> 00:58:20.949 my body double. 1323 00:58:20.969 --> 00:58:21.389 Oh, wow. 1324 00:58:21.409 --> 00:58:22.030 I don't care. Yeah, yeah. 1325 00:58:22.110 --> 00:58:22.289 Okay. 1326 00:58:22.510 --> 00:58:24.190 And he said, and blah, blah, blah. And I said... 1327 00:58:24.860 --> 00:58:25.460 I can do all that. 1328 00:58:25.760 --> 00:58:25.920 Why? 1329 00:58:25.960 --> 00:58:28.500 Because I know how to shoot makeup effects. So I 1330 00:58:28.539 --> 00:58:31.429 can shoot a full shot. Like there's a closeup in 1331 00:58:31.469 --> 00:58:33.010 the movie that is not Wesley. 1332 00:58:33.409 --> 00:58:33.989 You're kidding me. 1333 00:58:34.010 --> 00:58:36.989 This is body double. Wow. 1334 00:58:37.130 --> 00:58:38.139 I need to rewatch. 1335 00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:41.780 The whole scene is not Wesley. And I remember Wesley 1336 00:58:42.179 --> 00:58:42.900 in the ADR. 1337 00:58:43.340 --> 00:58:44.679 I'm shocked he came to ADR. 1338 00:58:44.739 --> 00:58:46.940 He came to ADR. If we don't do overs. We 1339 00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:49.739 actually enjoyed each other at the end. We had a 1340 00:58:49.780 --> 00:58:52.920 couple of big moments. 1341 00:58:53.219 --> 00:58:55.360 How do you deal with confrontation in general? 1342 00:58:56.340 --> 00:58:59.989 If it's private, I negotiate. If it's public, I go 1343 00:59:00.030 --> 00:59:01.550 the whole way. Very fast. 1344 00:59:01.750 --> 00:59:03.329 Oh, okay. If it's in front of everybody. 1345 00:59:03.349 --> 00:59:06.010 Oh my God. It's like, okay, now you're not giving 1346 00:59:06.030 --> 00:59:08.070 me that space. I'm going to go all the way 1347 00:59:08.090 --> 00:59:08.369 with you. 1348 00:59:08.489 --> 00:59:08.750 Okay. 1349 00:59:08.980 --> 00:59:13.280 I am actually good with confrontation. It comes from being Mexican. Yeah. 1350 00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:17.500 Privately and with friends, it's really hard. If you love somebody, 1351 00:59:17.780 --> 00:59:20.739 then I'm paralyzed. But if you're a star or you're 1352 00:59:20.760 --> 00:59:22.760 a head of a studio, I go all the way. 1353 00:59:22.860 --> 00:59:26.239 I don't mind. But privately, I really like to find 1354 00:59:26.300 --> 00:59:28.510 a point of comfort for both of us. 1355 00:59:28.570 --> 00:59:29.090 Yeah. 1356 00:59:29.230 --> 00:59:29.849 Compromise. 1357 00:59:30.250 --> 00:59:33.929 Okay, so 2006, Pan's Labyrinth. And that's what we're here 1358 00:59:33.949 --> 00:59:37.269 to talk about because it is, A, the 20-year anniversary. 1359 00:59:37.590 --> 00:59:37.849 Yes. 1360 00:59:38.150 --> 00:59:39.289 And it's coming out again. 1361 00:59:39.570 --> 00:59:39.789 Yeah. 1362 00:59:40.150 --> 00:59:42.750 And it's coming out in a bunch of different new formats. 1363 00:59:43.150 --> 00:59:46.139 I have color timed it 20 times in the last 1364 00:59:46.179 --> 00:59:48.760 few months. Oh, my goodness. I have color timed it 1365 00:59:48.820 --> 00:59:52.079 for 3D, color timed it for Barco, color timed it 1366 00:59:52.119 --> 00:59:55.059 for Dolby Digital, color timed it for 4K. Wow. 1367 00:59:55.360 --> 00:59:55.920 Wow. 1368 00:59:56.619 --> 00:59:57.980 What's your stamina through that? 1369 00:59:58.420 --> 01:00:01.679 In the last five, you have about six neural points 1370 01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:05.300 in color where you go, are the highlights clean? Are 1371 01:00:05.340 --> 01:00:09.039 the blacks saturated and clean? Black or white in an image, 1372 01:00:09.340 --> 01:00:12.989 the highest point of contrast and the lowest, are easily contaminated. 1373 01:00:13.469 --> 01:00:16.769 It's very hard to achieve pure whites or pure blacks. 1374 01:00:16.929 --> 01:00:19.110 So you have, this is a magenta black, this is 1375 01:00:19.300 --> 01:00:20.860 a cyan white. 1376 01:00:21.320 --> 01:00:23.260 I went to a really cool test when I was 1377 01:00:23.679 --> 01:00:27.820 coloring for a movie I directed and they were showing us, 1378 01:00:28.320 --> 01:00:32.079 people are enamored with 4K, 6K, 8K. Then they show 1379 01:00:32.139 --> 01:00:34.480 you what's the difference when you control the blacks. 1380 01:00:34.840 --> 01:00:35.719 That's it. Right? 1381 01:00:35.780 --> 01:00:39.030 Like, you could be in 2K with really controlled blacks 1382 01:00:39.070 --> 01:00:40.750 versus 8K, and it's like, oh, well, this looks so 1383 01:00:40.789 --> 01:00:41.809 much more beautiful. 1384 01:00:41.829 --> 01:00:44.909 I mean, look, I tell you, Dolby Digital laser projection 1385 01:00:45.050 --> 01:00:47.320 is just so incredibly beautiful. 1386 01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:50.059 Mind-blowing. Because you can control those so well. 1387 01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:52.420 The whites are pure. The blacks are pure. For example, 1388 01:00:52.480 --> 01:00:56.269 saturation and color. The more you saturate, the richer the black, right? 1389 01:00:56.329 --> 01:01:01.230 So if you have good blacks, you have perfect color saturation. Ideal. 1390 01:01:01.449 --> 01:01:03.630 And then you have to be careful. And I work 1391 01:01:03.849 --> 01:01:06.590 with two colors in the spectrum that are very hard. 1392 01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:09.559 Gold and cyan. Incredibly hard. 1393 01:01:09.679 --> 01:01:09.960 Why? 1394 01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:12.960 Both gold and cyan become green really easy. 1395 01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:14.940 As you start manipulating them? 1396 01:01:15.179 --> 01:01:18.059 Cyan, but you sneeze and it's blue. And cyan, you 1397 01:01:18.079 --> 01:01:21.619 sneeze and it's green. And gold,

you sneeze and it's red. 1398 01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:24.500 And you sneeze and it's yellow. Yeah. So you have 1399 01:01:24.519 --> 01:01:26.010 to constantly be footing that. 1400 01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:31.050 So when you're coloring, you're prioritizing your two colors the most? 1401 01:01:31.090 --> 01:01:33.190 You say, these are the six points in the movie 1402 01:01:33.469 --> 01:01:35.960 that I need to make sure are good. And then 1403 01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:39.699 you do a full time in one or two times. Okay. Normally, 1404 01:01:39.800 --> 01:01:42.010 I have to do it because I'm available and I'm 1405 01:01:42.070 --> 01:01:44.050 right there. And then you have to make sure the 1406 01:01:44.130 --> 01:01:46.889 audience is experiencing that. This is the most perfect the 1407 01:01:46.909 --> 01:01:47.630 movie has ever been. 1408 01:01:47.769 --> 01:01:49.730 Yeah. So what is it like for you 20 years 1409 01:01:49.789 --> 01:01:52.289 later to see now visually a version that. 1410 01:01:52.329 --> 01:01:53.150 I finally like it. 1411 01:01:53.659 --> 01:01:54.340 Oh, wow. 1412 01:01:54.489 --> 01:01:55.739 You were unsatisfied? 1413 01:01:55.760 --> 01:01:59.960 I was always... And there's still one image. Which is horrible. 1414 01:01:59.980 --> 01:02:03.320 I call it a Seinfeld. I don't do establishing shots. 1415 01:02:03.380 --> 01:02:05.940 This is establishing shot. So every time it pops up, 1416 01:02:06.000 --> 01:02:12.480 I go. I hate it. 1417 01:02:12.519 --> 01:02:14.119 You can hear Kramer walking in the door. 1418 01:02:14.139 --> 01:02:16.369 What happens is it's front lit. It was the only 1419 01:02:16.429 --> 01:02:19.110 time we always like when Navarro, you map out the 1420 01:02:19.150 --> 01:02:21.429 location and you say, we can shoot here because the 1421 01:02:21.469 --> 01:02:22.369 sun is behind us. 1422 01:02:22.550 --> 01:02:23.010 Right. 1423 01:02:23.150 --> 01:02:25.929 Or lateral. You never want to shoot with the sun 1424 01:02:25.969 --> 01:02:26.389 in front. 1425 01:02:26.530 --> 01:02:27.949 Because everything's flat, right? 1426 01:02:27.969 --> 01:02:28.590 It's flat, horrible. 1427 01:02:28.610 --> 01:02:29.389 There's no, yeah. 1428 01:02:29.429 --> 01:02:32.969 So the sun is frontal on this establishing and this establishing. 1429 01:02:33.230 --> 01:02:35.030 Which you don't like. I'd want to add this. This 1430 01:02:35.090 --> 01:02:39.280 is interesting. A lot of times also your failures, your 1431 01:02:39.559 --> 01:02:42.519 inconveniences can give birth to something very special. 1432 01:02:42.519 --> 01:02:43.079 100%. 1433 01:02:43.079 --> 01:02:44.059 This is true, right? 1434 01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:44.260 Yeah. 1435 01:02:44.360 --> 01:02:46.480 It mimicked, they fucked with you in the edit so 1436 01:02:46.579 --> 01:02:49.579 much that you being clever were like, from now on, 1437 01:02:50.420 --> 01:02:53.539 My shots are going to be very long and constructed, 1438 01:02:53.619 --> 01:02:55.610 so it's impossible to get into them. 1439 01:02:55.679 --> 01:02:58.929 Yeah, that or it nevels back when my editor called 1440 01:02:58.969 --> 01:03:02.130 me and said, could you please shut up, count to 1441 01:03:02.170 --> 01:03:05.050 three before saying cut? Because I used to say cut 1442 01:03:05.570 --> 01:03:08.809 right to the frame. Yeah. Cut, because I didn't want 1443 01:03:08.889 --> 01:03:10.659 anyone else coming and editing it. 1444 01:03:11.849 --> 01:03:14.210 But this is weirdly a gift for you, right? 1445 01:03:14.309 --> 01:03:18.429 I have now relaxed. Bradley Cooper helped me relax. He did. 1446 01:03:18.469 --> 01:03:19.070 In what way? 1447 01:03:19.090 --> 01:03:20.469 He was like, no one's going to fuck with you. 1448 01:03:20.550 --> 01:03:24.559 Every day. Heresy. I'm going to say heresy. What if we... 1449 01:03:24.880 --> 01:03:28.000 I would jive. I said, I can jive. The more 1450 01:03:28.039 --> 01:03:31.880 you can surf and not just play chess, the more 1451 01:03:32.300 --> 01:03:36.480 both of those disciplines... feed on each other. I think 1452 01:03:36.500 --> 01:03:39.260 that it's really good to be rigorous in order to 1453 01:03:39.300 --> 01:03:39.880 be flexible. 1454 01:03:39.980 --> 01:03:41.940 Yeah, like know it perfectly so you can throw it away. 1455 01:03:42.059 --> 01:03:44.480 Yeah, yeah, exactly. Is there something better in the day? 1456 01:03:44.860 --> 01:03:47.420 If there is, don't be so uptight that you don't 1457 01:03:47.460 --> 01:03:50.400 see it, but don't be unprepared because you will lose it. 1458 01:03:50.599 --> 01:03:54.670 A conversation is working if both sides are listening, right? 1459 01:03:54.750 --> 01:03:59.030 And sometimes people show up with a preconceived notion. whether 1460 01:03:59.050 --> 01:04:01.489 it's an actor or a director. And I've talked to 1461 01:04:01.530 --> 01:04:04.909 people that have worked or were friends with Kubrick. And yes, 1462 01:04:04.949 --> 01:04:08.269 he knew most of what he wanted. But then the 1463 01:04:08.449 --> 01:04:11.829 accident and the lack of importance in delivering a line, 1464 01:04:11.869 --> 01:04:15.210 he courted and he had to extract through process. You know, 1465 01:04:15.230 --> 01:04:17.190 I think it's the same with every perfectionist. There's a 1466 01:04:17.250 --> 01:04:20.989 point where you have to have the accident. Yes, yes, yes. 1467 01:04:21.190 --> 01:04:22.909 Well, it'll start feeling like AI made it. 1468 01:04:23.260 --> 01:04:26.590 That's the point. It's not chemistry, it's alchemy. The key 1469 01:04:26.610 --> 01:04:30.130 to alchemy, both philosophically and chemically, is you take what 1470 01:04:30.170 --> 01:04:35.230 is called vile matter and you transform it into sublime matter. 1471 01:04:35.690 --> 01:04:39.639 If you only juxtapose and permutate, which is what a 1472 01:04:39.699 --> 01:04:44.960 search engine does, things that already happened, your

crisscrossing information, 1473 01:04:45.000 --> 01:04:47.380 you achieve straight onto the middle. 1474 01:04:47.650 --> 01:04:49.030 You bullseye the average. 1475 01:04:49.190 --> 01:04:51.730 You never achieve the 1% over there. 1476 01:04:51.809 --> 01:04:54.630 Yeah, it's actually incapable. It's not built to do that. 1477 01:04:54.730 --> 01:04:58.510 You're reacting with everything you are. You were beaten as 1478 01:04:58.550 --> 01:05:02.409 a child. You lost your mother when you were 12. 1479 01:05:02.409 --> 01:05:07.260 You suffered tragedy. You suffered joy. You got drunk at 15. 1480 01:05:07.239 --> 01:05:10.719 You crashed a car. All this is inside of you 1481 01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:12.820 taking that decision that day. 1482 01:05:12.840 --> 01:05:12.920 Yeah. 1483 01:05:13.139 --> 01:05:13.940 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1484 01:05:14.119 --> 01:05:15.519 All of that is in there. 1485 01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:16.260 It's magic. 1486 01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:18.920 It's magic. Let's call it what it is. It's art. Yeah. 1487 01:05:19.280 --> 01:05:23.869 The other thing produces something that didn't vibrate with any experience, 1488 01:05:23.969 --> 01:05:26.730 no matter how many, because it's not a model. We 1489 01:05:26.789 --> 01:05:31.230 are part of a living, breathing, cosmic experience. And I'm 1490 01:05:31.289 --> 01:05:34.869 not going woo-woo. This is true of every one of us. 1491 01:05:35.489 --> 01:05:37.949 And then you vibrate with others. And the way you 1492 01:05:37.989 --> 01:05:41.719 achieve one solution, the way you stutter in one take, 1493 01:05:41.780 --> 01:05:45.079 and you go, that's the good one. Oh, sorry, I stuttered. 1494 01:05:45.300 --> 01:05:46.599 That's what made it work. 1495 01:05:46.739 --> 01:05:49.699 We all live that excitement. It's a sport. It's a 1496 01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:50.559 contact sport. 1497 01:05:50.780 --> 01:05:53.380 Scorsese is a lovely example of this for us, right? 1498 01:05:53.420 --> 01:05:56.260 He will often use... Flawed shots. 1499 01:05:56.800 --> 01:05:57.659 And his own flaws. 1500 01:05:57.840 --> 01:06:00.940 Yeah, so prioritize what he saw in that performance at 1501 01:06:00.980 --> 01:06:01.559 that moment, right? 1502 01:06:01.619 --> 01:06:04.900 And that's why many people, people I respect, are one take, 1503 01:06:04.940 --> 01:06:08.550 two takes. I visited Stephen into shooting Bridge of Spies, 1504 01:06:09.389 --> 01:06:12.809 and it informed everything I felt about Shape of Water, everything. 1505 01:06:13.130 --> 01:06:16.610 And the couple of days I visited, he would orchestrate 1506 01:06:16.650 --> 01:06:18.590 a shot. He said, do you like it? I go, 1507 01:06:18.829 --> 01:06:22.260 it's glorious. He says, wait a second. Can I get better? 1508 01:06:22.380 --> 01:06:24.969 And he goes in and he changes one vector. You 1509 01:06:25.050 --> 01:06:27.969 enter through the ride, you stop right there, and instantly 1510 01:06:28.010 --> 01:06:31.909 it's better. He says, better? I said, much better. But 1511 01:06:32.610 --> 01:06:35.909 three takes. I always was like, oh, I do 12 takes. 1512 01:06:36.570 --> 01:06:38.630 I started to say, I got to be able to 1513 01:06:38.650 --> 01:06:40.909 shoot it. I got to let it go. Now, when 1514 01:06:40.949 --> 01:06:43.639 you get the feeling, life is like water, right? Like 1515 01:06:43.800 --> 01:06:46.400 if you are like this, how much water are you holding? 1516 01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:47.059 Yeah, exactly. 1517 01:06:47.139 --> 01:06:49.280 And if you are like this, how much water are 1518 01:06:49.300 --> 01:06:52.949 you holding? And I think... The key to art is 1519 01:06:53.429 --> 01:06:55.570 you have to feel when you have to do that 1520 01:06:55.610 --> 01:06:56.829 and when you have to do that. 1521 01:06:56.849 --> 01:07:00.789 Exactly. My life experience of that was I had bought 1522 01:07:00.829 --> 01:07:03.639 an engagement ring for my wife. I had it for 1523 01:07:03.679 --> 01:07:07.019 a while. I was going to go to a restaurant 1524 01:07:07.159 --> 01:07:09.239 or as the first place I ever said, I love you. 1525 01:07:09.260 --> 01:07:12.000 It was going to be around a certain day. That 1526 01:07:12.019 --> 01:07:15.079 was like a month out. And then it's Christmas night 1527 01:07:15.320 --> 01:07:19.909 and we're sitting in bed and there's this emotional thing happening. 1528 01:07:21.039 --> 01:07:23.079 And I just went, oh, I'm going to try to 1529 01:07:23.159 --> 01:07:25.969 recreate this in a month at a restaurant, but it's now. 1530 01:07:26.619 --> 01:07:29.050 And I went and got the wedding ring then, you know, 1531 01:07:29.070 --> 01:07:31.550 and it was like, all right, no, it's happening now. 1532 01:07:31.909 --> 01:07:33.230 Recognize when it's happening. 1533 01:07:33.250 --> 01:07:36.349 Einstein said the imagination is better than knowledge, right? More 1534 01:07:36.389 --> 01:07:41.809 important than knowledge. And also living the moment as it 1535 01:07:41.909 --> 01:07:46.619 wants to be, because it wants to be that is wisdom. 1536 01:07:47.429 --> 01:07:50.199 It's more important than any of the other things. And 1537 01:07:50.260 --> 01:07:55.320 the problem is we preconceive so much that we're living 1538 01:07:55.719 --> 01:07:57.980 not with a living animal, but a piece of taxidermy. 1539 01:07:58.400 --> 01:08:00.889 Our life becomes taxidermy. Oh, if I don't get this, 1540 01:08:00.929 --> 01:08:03.429 then it's not... No, no, life is so. 1541 01:08:03.849 --> 01:08:04.289 Alive. 1542 01:08:05.630 --> 01:08:09.289 Well, it's not domesticated. It is what it wants to be. 1543 01:08:09.829 --> 01:08:11.829 Same with a movie. By the way, I say when 1544 01:08:11.869 --> 01:08:15.119 people think I'm all you, you, woo-woo, when I say... 1545 01:08:15.480 --> 01:08:17.680 The movie tells you what it wants to be. I 1546 01:08:18.260 --> 01:08:20.840 paint model kids on Sundays, and there's a point in 1547

01:08:20.859 --> 01:08:23.439 the coloring where the color tells you, you say, I'm 1548 01:08:23.460 --> 01:08:25.729 going to paint it white, and then you end up purple. 1549 01:08:26.689 --> 01:08:28.729 And how it happens is you let the model and 1550 01:08:28.750 --> 01:08:29.789 the color talk to you. 1551 01:08:29.909 --> 01:08:31.930 Yeah, it's a conversation. 1552 01:08:31.949 --> 01:08:33.949 It's a conversation. Same with life. 1553 01:08:34.430 --> 01:08:35.899 But it requires confidence. 1554 01:08:36.239 --> 01:08:37.460 Yeah, yeah, I think so. 1555 01:08:37.479 --> 01:08:40.739 To let go. I think that requires, I'll be fine. 1556 01:08:40.840 --> 01:08:43.319 It'll be fine. Things will be fine if I let go. 1557 01:08:43.520 --> 01:08:46.729 Well, there's a great mantra. No matter what, I'll be okay. 1558 01:08:47.090 --> 01:08:49.609 Because it's a decision to be okay. I did a 1559 01:08:49.630 --> 01:08:51.649 10-day silent retreat. 1560 01:08:51.869 --> 01:08:52.329 Oh, wow. 1561 01:08:52.550 --> 01:08:56.140 Completely silent. You couldn't make eye contact. You couldn't talk, blah, blah, blah. 1562 01:08:56.319 --> 01:08:59.760 It was all about meditation. And there was a point. 1563 01:09:00.550 --> 01:09:04.060 where I had my first panic attack. Actually, the key 1564 01:09:04.069 --> 01:09:07.079 is you are in the panic attack. I never had 1565 01:09:07.100 --> 01:09:09.699 it for decades. I never had it. And I go, 1566 01:09:09.939 --> 01:09:13.159 I couldn't recognize it. But you stay on it and 1567 01:09:13.180 --> 01:09:17.470 you come out. Whatever you're going through, stay on it. Exactly. 1568 01:09:17.489 --> 01:09:19.829 The good, the bad, whatever, because he's going to go. Yeah. 1569 01:09:19.890 --> 01:09:21.750 Panic attacks are interesting. I used to get them too. 1570 01:09:22.170 --> 01:09:22.449 Often? 1571 01:09:23.090 --> 01:09:25.409 Yeah. I used to get them often, but I learned 1572 01:09:25.430 --> 01:09:27.380 like what creates the panic is like, when's it going 1573 01:09:27.399 --> 01:09:28.640 to end? When's it going to end? When's it going 1574 01:09:28.659 --> 01:09:30.779 to end? And when you just start to realize like 1575 01:09:31.180 --> 01:09:34.779 it's going to, but you don't get to decide, then 1576 01:09:34.819 --> 01:09:38.199 it goes away. It's this fear of it never ending. 1577 01:09:38.319 --> 01:09:41.319 It's the Buddhist, the discomfort is the craving for a 1578 01:09:41.359 --> 01:09:42.590 different state of being. 1579 01:09:42.770 --> 01:09:43.449 That's exactly right. 1580 01:09:43.470 --> 01:09:44.609 That's where the discomfort is. 1581 01:09:44.649 --> 01:09:45.789 Just acceptance of it. 1582 01:09:45.869 --> 01:09:46.390 Yeah, yeah. 1583 01:09:46.409 --> 01:09:47.149 This is me right now. 1584 01:09:47.250 --> 01:09:49.369 The problem is not the lacking, it's the wanting. 1585 01:09:49.510 --> 01:09:50.609 Yes, exactly. 1586 01:09:50.649 --> 01:09:51.130 Yes, yes. 1587 01:09:51.210 --> 01:09:54.069 I don't have, that's a problem. Not the having. But 1588 01:09:54.109 --> 01:09:57.800 you know what you're describing? Exactly, that's life. When is 1589 01:09:57.819 --> 01:09:58.939 it going to end? It will. 1590 01:09:59.079 --> 01:09:59.779 Yeah, yeah. 1591 01:09:59.800 --> 01:10:00.460 Just give it time. 1592 01:10:00.500 --> 01:10:02.060 Not on your time schedule, probably. 1593 01:10:02.100 --> 01:10:05.220 You know, everybody that dies has the laundry to pick up. 1594 01:10:05.680 --> 01:10:07.890 Everybody that dies went, oh, I was going to go 1595 01:10:07.899 --> 01:10:11.250 to the dentist. Not anymore, buddy. 1596 01:10:11.789 --> 01:10:13.449 I have a question about Pan's Labyrinth because it was 1597 01:10:13.510 --> 01:10:17.020 quite celebrated, obviously. You were nominated for six Oscars. You 1598 01:10:17.060 --> 01:10:22.500 won three. You got a 22 minute Standing ovation, which 1599 01:10:22.560 --> 01:10:24.279 is the longest in history at Cannes. 1600 01:10:24.579 --> 01:10:27.659 At Cannes, it still holds the record. Yes. In international festivals, 1601 01:10:27.960 --> 01:10:31.319 it got broken this year. In Venice, it got 25, 1602 01:10:31.319 --> 01:10:34.020 one film. But in Cannes, it still holds. It was 1603 01:10:34.039 --> 01:10:37.260 really surprising. I mean, they programmed us the last day 1604 01:10:37.579 --> 01:10:40.729 of the festival. Most journalists had gone. Oh, wow. We 1605 01:10:40.739 --> 01:10:43.850 were expecting the movie to just play. And in France, 1606 01:10:43.890 --> 01:10:46.989 the audiences are very silent. At the end, like if 1607 01:10:47.069 --> 01:10:49.420 a movie is not playing, you hear the seats pop out. 1608 01:10:49.750 --> 01:10:51.010 Because they make it a point to get up and 1609 01:10:51.069 --> 01:10:51.569 make this shit. 1610 01:10:51.590 --> 01:10:54.449 They want you to know I'm walking out. 1611 01:10:54.489 --> 01:10:55.970 They want you to know I'm walking out. 1612 01:10:55.989 --> 01:10:56.409 Yeah, yeah. 1613 01:10:56.729 --> 01:10:59.890 But they don't react to the movie. Like American audiences 1614 01:10:59.949 --> 01:11:02.880 are woo, wah, don't get in there. Get out, run. 1615 01:11:03.229 --> 01:11:04.020 Yeah, yeah. 1616 01:11:04.239 --> 01:11:07.720 Mexican audience is also very silent. But in France, all 1617 01:11:07.739 --> 01:11:10.100 of a sudden, in the middle of the movie, people 1618 01:11:10.119 --> 01:11:12.909 starting to ooh and aah. And when she cuts his 1619 01:11:12.989 --> 01:11:15.810 mouth in the middle of the movie, they gave it 1620 01:11:15.869 --> 01:11:19.210 a huge ovation. And I thought this is landing differently. 1621 01:11:19.609 --> 01:11:22.609 I have many questions about this. And when I imagine 1622 01:11:22.649 --> 01:11:27.079 being in this situation, I think I would love the 1623 01:11:27.279 --> 01:11:28.260 first three minutes. 1624 01:11:28.500 --> 01:11:28.760 Yes. 1625

01:11:29.039 --> 01:11:31.619 I would feel so validated and loved. And then at 1626 01:11:31.659 --> 01:11:34.319 about the five minute marker, I might think. 1627 01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:35.420 You don't know what to do. 1628 01:11:35.500 --> 01:11:37.500 When is this going to end? And everyone's looking at me. 1629 01:11:38.329 --> 01:11:40.550 And to know that there was 17 more minutes back 1630 01:11:40.590 --> 01:11:43.069 to Seinfeld, this is an episode of Seinfeld. 1631 01:11:43.090 --> 01:11:43.970 Yeah, it is a commute. 1632 01:11:44.449 --> 01:11:49.069 What goes through, what's the real-time visceral experience? Like, do 1633 01:11:49.090 --> 01:11:51.569 you get self-conscious? Then do you move past that? Are 1634 01:11:51.590 --> 01:11:53.600 there waves of accepting it and rejecting it? 1635 01:11:53.770 --> 01:11:59.770 It's very uncomfortable at some point. Alfonso Cuaron, who, no 1636 01:11:59.800 --> 01:12:03.220 matter what I tell him, it's not necessary, Alfonso, to 1637 01:12:03.260 --> 01:12:06.420 tell the truth all the time. But Alfonso is like, 1638 01:12:07.789 --> 01:12:12.210 He's doing it. Yeah, he does it. He's brutal. And 1639 01:12:12.310 --> 01:12:16.819 he noticed. And he said, let it in. Take it in, pal. 1640 01:12:17.100 --> 01:12:17.750 Don't fight it. 1641 01:12:18.260 --> 01:12:19.859 It would be hard not to fight. 1642 01:12:20.319 --> 01:12:25.689 I'm not very good with too much praise. Alfonso said that. 1643 01:12:26.060 --> 01:12:29.350 And I was able to. It was also surreal. And 1644 01:12:29.449 --> 01:12:33.350 then it didn't show up almost anywhere. Because most people 1645 01:12:33.390 --> 01:12:35.529 had left. So it was like if a tree falls 1646 01:12:35.569 --> 01:12:40.210 in the forest. But then eventually it trickled out. And Thierry, 1647 01:12:40.229 --> 01:12:42.350 the head of the festival, said it got the longest 1648 01:12:42.369 --> 01:12:45.109 standing ovation in the history of the festival. And that 1649 01:12:45.510 --> 01:12:47.890 got picked up. But the first review was not a 1650 01:12:47.909 --> 01:12:48.390 good review. 1651 01:12:48.569 --> 01:12:49.130 Really? 1652 01:12:49.550 --> 01:12:51.689 I think the headline, I may be wrong, it was like, 1653 01:12:51.729 --> 01:12:54.289 this ain't Blade II. Oh, my. 1654 01:12:54.350 --> 01:12:55.909 Okay, that's a take. 1655 01:12:55.949 --> 01:12:58.260 We need to know how that person feels about Blade 1656 01:12:58.409 --> 01:12:59.149 II to begin with. 1657 01:12:59.220 --> 01:13:01.779 For example, when Alejandro Alfonso and I are going to 1658 01:13:02.239 --> 01:13:05.819 open a movie, there's always trepidation. We always say, look, 1659 01:13:06.159 --> 01:13:09.439 Alfonso is very, very wise and he's very worldly in 1660 01:13:09.500 --> 01:13:12.619 certain ways, but he's tough. But he says, if you 1661 01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:14.590 make a bad movie and you win a few awards, 1662 01:13:15.350 --> 01:13:17.270 is it not a bad movie anymore? I said, and 1663 01:13:17.329 --> 01:13:19.069 if you make a good movie and you don't get 1664 01:13:19.130 --> 01:13:21.789 any awards, is it a bad movie? We live and 1665 01:13:21.829 --> 01:13:25.149 die by our latest record in this industry. And then, 1666 01:13:25.270 --> 01:13:28.510 you know, the best place to be is when you say, 1667 01:13:29.109 --> 01:13:33.319 whatever happens, I'll be okay. Like I don't need any 1668 01:13:33.340 --> 01:13:37.319 more reaffirmation. The only thing you do is, did I 1669 01:13:37.359 --> 01:13:38.010 do it my way? 1670 01:13:38.409 --> 01:13:39.390 Do you like it? 1671 01:13:39.710 --> 01:13:41.409 Did I get the thing in my head out in 1672 01:13:41.449 --> 01:13:42.449 the way I'm proud of? 1673 01:13:42.449 --> 01:13:43.149 That's exactly right. 1674 01:13:43.170 --> 01:13:43.670 Yeah, yeah. 1675 01:13:43.869 --> 01:13:45.420 Did I make the thing I wanted to see? 1676 01:13:46.159 --> 01:13:48.319 That's it. I mean, they always say, well, how do 1677 01:13:48.359 --> 01:13:50.800 you choose the movie? I say, the one nobody else 1678 01:13:50.840 --> 01:13:52.840 would do is the one I do. Even if it's 1679 01:13:52.859 --> 01:13:54.460 Blade II or Hellboy. 1680 01:13:54.500 --> 01:13:57.210 Your career is definitely defined by that. I think it's 1681 01:13:57.250 --> 01:14:00.090 so exciting because so many people have not seen Pan's 1682 01:14:00.310 --> 01:14:01.510 Labyrinth 20 years ago. 1683 01:14:01.770 --> 01:14:03.229 On screen, certainly. Right. 1684 01:14:03.310 --> 01:14:06.680 And then now, so not only, obviously, the visual of 1685 01:14:06.720 --> 01:14:10.739 it has changed in ways. What are you finding for 1686 01:14:10.819 --> 01:14:14.659 you that's shocking about, let's say, watching it in 3D? Like, 1687 01:14:15.020 --> 01:14:17.479 what is new or exciting to you? 1688 01:14:17.720 --> 01:14:22.189 Well, when I did Pacific Rim, I quite pointedly, my 1689 01:14:22.270 --> 01:14:26.310 first thought was really silly. I said, I wish I 1690 01:14:26.350 --> 01:14:28.909 could go back and do pants in 3D. 1691 01:14:28.989 --> 01:14:29.729 Oh, no kidding. 1692 01:14:30.109 --> 01:14:33.609 Because the posterization was so good. And I felt I 1693 01:14:33.649 --> 01:14:36.869 could make the fantasy world a little deeper. and the 1694 01:14:36.909 --> 01:14:39.720 real world a little more shallow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course, 1695 01:14:39.819 --> 01:14:41.899 I didn't own the movie. I couldn't control it. I 1696 01:14:41.939 --> 01:14:44.760 couldn't spend the money to do it. Nobody would. So 1697 01:14:44.800 --> 01:14:47.350 I thought, well, out of my head. Then it took 1698 01:14:47.369 --> 01:14:51.449 me 15 years to buy Pan's Labyrinth back. I got 1699 01:14:51.470 --> 01:14:53.569 it back. And the first thing is, I want to 1700 01:14:53.609 --> 01:14:54.939 try it. And do it in 3D? 1701 01:14:55.119 --> 01:14:55.720 Yes. 1702 01:14:55.779 --> 01:14:56.479 So cool.

1703 01:14:56.579 --> 01:14:58.500 I'm so excited to see that. Me too. 1704 01:14:58.640 --> 01:15:02.060 The thing with 3D, if you use it creatively, if 1705 01:15:02.090 --> 01:15:05.350 you actually are supplementing the story with that and the 1706 01:15:05.390 --> 01:15:09.369 experience is deeper, then it's worth it. And we did 1707 01:15:09.409 --> 01:15:12.590 it very pointedly with the same company that we did 1708 01:15:12.630 --> 01:15:15.829 Pacific Rim. And we did it by the same manual process. 1709 01:15:16.489 --> 01:15:19.909 human method. I mean, there are shortcuts now with AI 1710 01:15:19.979 --> 01:15:22.279 and all this. And I said, it's my money. I 1711 01:15:22.319 --> 01:15:24.680 want to spend more money and do it with a 1712 01:15:24.720 --> 01:15:28.560 person making that decision than a machine or an algorithm. 1713 01:15:28.819 --> 01:15:32.189 I just want to do four minutes on Frankenstein because 1714 01:15:32.199 --> 01:15:38.609 I had the most glorious experience with Frankenstein, which is unfortunately, 1715 01:15:39.380 --> 01:15:44.279 I think Jacob Elordi overshadowed what I... You. I didn't 1716 01:15:44.399 --> 01:15:46.739 know you made that movie. I knew there was a 1717 01:15:46.779 --> 01:15:49.100 Frankenstein movie coming out with Jacob Elordi. 1718 01:15:49.439 --> 01:15:50.100 Oh, thank God. 1719 01:15:50.159 --> 01:15:55.130 We were at friend's house and they're like, let's watch this. 1720 01:15:55.229 --> 01:15:57.350 I heard it was good. And I'm like, okay, I'll 1721 01:15:57.369 --> 01:16:00.789 give it a shot. And from the second it starts, 1722 01:16:00.970 --> 01:16:05.850 I go, oh, someone very special is behind this movie. 1723 01:16:06.050 --> 01:16:13.050 The imagery immediately... It's so overwhelming that I went, this 1724 01:16:13.149 --> 01:16:16.409 has to be Guillermo. Like, I didn't know that was you. 1725 01:16:16.449 --> 01:16:19.039 It's such a fingerprint. It's such a... It makes me 1726 01:16:19.079 --> 01:16:23.100 emotional what you achieve visually with that movie. It's so 1727 01:16:23.420 --> 01:16:27.640 mind-blowing that I wanted to ask you, do you think 1728 01:16:27.720 --> 01:16:31.350 you're a painter? No. What do we think? 1729 01:16:31.430 --> 01:16:32.119 How do I. 1730 01:16:33.310 --> 01:16:36.630 How do I understand why you're able to create images 1731 01:16:37.170 --> 01:16:38.010 in the way you do? 1732 01:16:38.029 --> 01:16:42.550 I'm visually extremely disciplined. But by this, I also say 1733 01:16:42.569 --> 01:16:47.489 I am joyful in the creation of images. I think 1734 01:16:47.489 --> 01:16:50.920 80% of the communication with an audience is nonverbal, meaning 1735 01:16:50.960 --> 01:16:54.399 we have the play. That's one thing, the screen play. 1736 01:16:54.619 --> 01:16:57.880 But we have the audiovisual screen play. And that you 1737 01:16:57.939 --> 01:17:02.670 code in colors, shapes, light is nonverbal. And most of 1738 01:17:02.710 --> 01:17:04.189 the movie is submerged in that. 1739 01:17:04.369 --> 01:17:08.890 But the pleasure of consuming the image, it's very rare 1740 01:17:08.909 --> 01:17:13.270 that you are aware of the pleasure you're receiving just 1741 01:17:13.409 --> 01:17:15.560 looking at this composition. 1742 01:17:15.779 --> 01:17:16.000 Yeah. 1743 01:17:16.300 --> 01:17:19.000 It's so powerful and soothing. 1744 01:17:19.020 --> 01:17:22.880 It comes from painting. Yeah. It comes from me studying 1745 01:17:22.939 --> 01:17:26.479 the painters as a kid with that encyclopedia of art 1746 01:17:26.699 --> 01:17:30.510 and learning what a difference it made When the romantic 1747 01:17:30.550 --> 01:17:33.609 school of painting, what is it trying to achieve? The symbolists, 1748 01:17:33.989 --> 01:17:36.130 what are they trying to achieve? Why is it important 1749 01:17:36.229 --> 01:17:39.609 a small painting like The Origin of the World? Why 1750 01:17:39.649 --> 01:17:43.489 is it important to paint peasants eating potatoes, which was 1751 01:17:43.529 --> 01:17:47.930 not academically acceptable before? And understanding that from a really 1752 01:17:48.010 --> 01:17:50.729 early age, you became what you ate, but also in 1753 01:17:50.789 --> 01:17:53.970 a way that favors communication, where you say, I love 1754 01:17:54.010 --> 01:17:58.560 Jack Kirby, right? I love Steve Ditko. I love all 1755 01:17:58.579 --> 01:18:03.069 the comic book artists, but I also love Manet, Monet, Couvert, 1756 01:18:03.250 --> 01:18:05.689 and having the same value. So you say, okay, I'm 1757 01:18:05.710 --> 01:18:09.529 going to entertain and surprise, but also it's a pulse. 1758 01:18:10.010 --> 01:18:14.060 Every image either relaxes you or takes you to a wow. 1759 01:18:14.100 --> 01:18:14.880 Gives you tension. 1760 01:18:15.039 --> 01:18:18.640 If you make every image equally important, you're not doing 1761 01:18:18.680 --> 01:18:20.720 your job right. You have to know when you want 1762 01:18:20.760 --> 01:18:23.890 people to lean in and when you want them to 1763 01:18:23.949 --> 01:18:24.430 lean back. 1764 01:18:24.649 --> 01:18:26.670 Yeah back to the ebb and flow of life the 1765 01:18:26.729 --> 01:18:29.829 ebb and flow has to exist you can. 1766 01:18:29.130 --> 01:18:32.409 So you design it like a symphony you have an overture. 1767 01:18:32.109 --> 01:18:37.159 Yeah we slow down and we take a breath you 1768 01:18:37.180 --> 01:18:39.960 have to make it symphonic because the aspiration of a 1769 01:18:40.000 --> 01:18:44.829 movie is to be like music to transport you music 1770 01:18:44.869 --> 01:18:48.890 has this miraculous quality which is it seems to enter 1771 01:18:48.930 --> 01:18:50.699 you it's the highest art. 1772 01:18:50.560 --> 01:18:53.600 Form, in my opinion, music. And when any of the 1773 01:18:53.659 --> 01:18:58.500 other forms achieves a little bit, that musical... Magic, yeah. 1774 01:18:58.579 --> 01:19:02.350 I mean, I always

say, look, Orpheus got Eurydice out 1775 01:19:02.399 --> 01:19:05.390 because he was a musician, almost got her out. He didn't. 1776 01:19:05.689 --> 01:19:07.550 He failed at the end. But I'm saying, if he 1777 01:19:07.590 --> 01:19:09.970 was a movie director... both would be in hell from 1778 01:19:10.010 --> 01:19:12.170 the start. They would say, listen to me, I need 1779 01:19:12.170 --> 01:19:16.149 120 people and a few million dollars to show you 1780 01:19:16.210 --> 01:19:19.439 my art. And the musician just grabs an instrument and 1781 01:19:19.520 --> 01:19:22.720 even no instrument and just the human voice. This is 1782 01:19:22.760 --> 01:19:25.500 what you come at the end of the discussion about art. 1783 01:19:25.840 --> 01:19:29.420 The only treasure we have is a voice. And each 1784 01:19:29.500 --> 01:19:32.239 of us have a voice. And each of us have 1785 01:19:32.500 --> 01:19:36.149 one song One song you sing. And when you hear 1786 01:19:36.260 --> 01:19:38.159 the right voice sing the right song. 1787 01:19:38.500 --> 01:19:41.319 Like what is language? Language is this tool we use 1788 01:19:41.359 --> 01:19:43.760 to get this thought in my head into your head. 1789 01:19:44.079 --> 01:19:47.359 And then music somehow is this fast pass of like, 1790 01:19:47.539 --> 01:19:50.239 let me give you the emotion in my heart. Let 1791 01:19:50.279 --> 01:19:53.279 me open my mouth and let this noise out. And 1792 01:19:53.319 --> 01:19:55.659 you can feel my emotion. That's like such magic. 1793 01:19:55.699 --> 01:19:58.420 When you talk about language, that's the magical thing about language. 1794 01:19:58.800 --> 01:20:01.720 I write English as my second language. Which is mind-blowing 1795 01:20:01.739 --> 01:20:03.550 to me. I can only imagine how smart you sound 1796 01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:06.050 in Spanish. Which means that by the time I talk 1797 01:20:06.060 --> 01:20:10.579 to you, I already thought it, proved it, converted it, 1798 01:20:10.930 --> 01:20:11.789 checked the syntax. 1799 01:20:11.869 --> 01:20:12.890 I can't believe it. 1800 01:20:12.890 --> 01:20:14.630 And then said it in less than a second. So 1801 01:20:14.770 --> 01:20:19.010 I value the language so much. I value the precision 1802 01:20:19.189 --> 01:20:22.289 of the term. Mark Twain said the difference between the 1803 01:20:22.569 --> 01:20:25.529 right word and the next to right word is the 1804 01:20:25.569 --> 01:20:31.170 difference between the lighting bug and lining. Yeah. There is 1805 01:20:31.409 --> 01:20:36.350 so much music in the language, the alliterations, the rhythm 1806 01:20:36.430 --> 01:20:40.449 of the consonants, the way consonants are music. And when 1807 01:20:40.489 --> 01:20:43.189 the voice is right, I mean, they can say Orson Welles. 1808 01:20:43.710 --> 01:20:46.529 Right. Who cares what he's saying? Who cares? 1809 01:20:46.680 --> 01:20:48.520 It's like I used to joke about the guy in 1810 01:20:48.539 --> 01:20:53.439 the trailers ordering a pizza. I want a double pepperoni. 1811 01:20:54.359 --> 01:20:59.359 And now. But that's the thing. We all have the 1812 01:20:59.399 --> 01:21:02.569 human voice. Please let's not lose it. That's all I 1813 01:21:02.590 --> 01:21:05.250 have to say about art. Please don't make it about 1814 01:21:05.810 --> 01:21:09.670 an image or a sound. It's the human voice. Can 1815 01:21:09.750 --> 01:21:14.340 we understand that if we lose our voice, we all 1816 01:21:14.619 --> 01:21:18.859 are something not human? I mean, whatever the hell will 1817 01:21:18.920 --> 01:21:21.840 stand in our future in two legs, if we lose 1818 01:21:21.880 --> 01:21:24.819 a human voice, that thing, no matter how wealthy, no 1819 01:21:24.859 --> 01:21:28.670 matter how full of comfort, that thing is not going 1820 01:21:28.689 --> 01:21:31.960 to be a human being. Can we all understand the stakes? 1821 01:21:32.420 --> 01:21:34.739 Don't short things that can divide us. That's the magic 1822 01:21:34.979 --> 01:21:35.770 of the human voice. 1823 01:21:36.199 --> 01:21:39.010 Okay, last thing I promise on Frankenstein. I want to 1824 01:21:39.069 --> 01:21:43.810 applaud him publicly. I think the Oscar Isaac performance is 1825 01:21:44.010 --> 01:21:50.510 among the most vanity-free performances I've ever seen. 1826 01:21:50.810 --> 01:21:51.409 I agree with you. 1827 01:21:51.909 --> 01:21:57.420 It's so beautifully unvain. I don't know what else to say. Unselfconscious. Unselfconscious. 1828 01:21:57.659 --> 01:21:59.380 Total lack of vanity. And I want to know, did 1829 01:21:59.399 --> 01:22:01.880 he arrive like that? Did you guys work to be that? 1830 01:22:01.939 --> 01:22:03.489 What happened there that's so special? 1831 01:22:03.510 --> 01:22:06.789 First of all, thank you. And I'm going to say 1832 01:22:07.149 --> 01:22:11.710 actors is like magicians. or comedians, you know when you 1833 01:22:11.789 --> 01:22:14.500 did the pause at the right place, right? But you 1834 01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:17.859 also know when you did not filter it through vanity, 1835 01:22:18.060 --> 01:22:20.140 when you were completely in danger. 1836 01:22:20.319 --> 01:22:22.880 Let me show you the ugliest version of myself. 1837 01:22:23.159 --> 01:22:27.289 The most vulnerable version. I mean, that performance is A, 1838 01:22:27.489 --> 01:22:30.989 incredibly hard to deliver. Yes, it is. B, perfectly delivered. 1839 01:22:31.390 --> 01:22:33.470 It does what it needs you to experience. 1840 01:22:33.569 --> 01:22:34.960 It's a master doing it. 1841 01:22:34.979 --> 01:22:37.739 It is a master performance from this guy. We had 1842 01:22:37.800 --> 01:22:39.859 a great talk. He is my brother. He's one of 1843 01:22:39.899 --> 01:22:44.960 my brothers in life. I adore him. I said to him, look, 1844 01:22:45.220 --> 01:22:48.069 I've been Victor and I've been the creature. And I said, 1845 01:22:48.149 --> 01:22:51.380 I've been Victor. the

worst, and I've been the most vulnerable. 1846 01:22:51.739 --> 01:22:55.020 And the fact that we are paradoxical beings, if you're 1847 01:22:55.520 --> 01:23:00.729 the actor and I'm the visionary director, we cannot deliver 1848 01:23:00.750 --> 01:23:04.590 this movie. I said, you have to be a flawed motherfucker. 1849 01:23:05.050 --> 01:23:06.949 I have to come to you and say, I don't know. 1850 01:23:07.210 --> 01:23:08.989 And I have to come in and say, we are 1851 01:23:09.050 --> 01:23:09.550 fucked up. 1852 01:23:09.590 --> 01:23:10.670 We got to figure this out. 1853 01:23:10.729 --> 01:23:14.069 I said, so the next few months, I got to 1854 01:23:14.109 --> 01:23:17.029 tell you everything I've done wrong in life. And you 1855 01:23:17.050 --> 01:23:18.989 have to tell me everything you've done wrong in life. 1856 01:23:19.380 --> 01:23:22.079 And we have to come in as imperfect as we 1857 01:23:22.119 --> 01:23:26.020 can to this movie because the rest I already took 1858 01:23:26.060 --> 01:23:26.420 care of. 1859 01:23:26.739 --> 01:23:27.800 Everything visually has been. 1860 01:23:28.079 --> 01:23:30.479 You and I are going to have to fluctuate. And 1861 01:23:30.539 --> 01:23:34.100 we achieved something that made us very vulnerable. And there 1862 01:23:34.159 --> 01:23:38.000 was a moment in that movie where my entire bottom 1863 01:23:38.560 --> 01:23:41.960 as a human being fell through. We were connected. I 1864 01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:43.579 could see him from the other side of the room 1865 01:23:43.600 --> 01:23:45.279 and I would go. And he goes. 1866 01:23:45.300 --> 01:23:46.760 Oh, amazing. 1867 01:23:46.840 --> 01:23:49.260 What an experience you got to share with a human 1868 01:23:49.359 --> 01:23:50.119 on Earth. 1869 01:23:50.439 --> 01:23:53.659 I knew when he didn't know. And I knew when 1870 01:23:53.680 --> 01:23:54.020 he knew. 1871 01:23:54.359 --> 01:23:54.880 Yeah. 1872 01:23:54.899 --> 01:23:55.699 You were one being. 1873 01:23:55.770 --> 01:23:56.729 One being. 1874 01:23:56.779 --> 01:23:57.010 Yeah. 1875 01:23:57.119 --> 01:24:00.270 And that is to this day the best experience I've 1876 01:24:00.329 --> 01:24:02.109 ever had with an actor. 1877 01:24:02.130 --> 01:24:06.109 It's so obvious. It's so obvious something very, very special happened. 1878 01:24:06.350 --> 01:24:09.229 Some movies are brawlers and they take care of themselves. 1879 01:24:09.350 --> 01:24:12.640 This movie was a brawler. Like losing the actor for 1880 01:24:12.699 --> 01:24:16.279 the creature nine weeks or so before we start shooting. 1881 01:24:16.500 --> 01:24:17.460 I didn't even know that happened. 1882 01:24:17.560 --> 01:24:20.390 I was not afraid. I said, something better is coming. 1883 01:24:20.659 --> 01:24:23.189 And I talked to Jacob and I see him on 1884 01:24:23.210 --> 01:24:25.409 the Zoom. I said, that's the guy. 1885 01:24:25.510 --> 01:24:27.409 Yeah. He's incredible in it as well. 1886 01:24:27.430 -->

01:24:31.489 And from then on, two takes, three takes with that guy. Max. Yeah. 1887 01:24:31.590 --> 01:24:33.390 And the direction was simple. 1888 01:24:33.670 --> 01:24:35.939 He is a monster. I mean, he's a beautiful monster. 1889 01:24:36.060 --> 01:24:38.199 But I was on a red carpet at like the 1890 01:24:38.239 --> 01:24:40.909 Golden Globes. And I turned around and I just was 1891 01:24:41.149 --> 01:24:43.430 in his chest, right? And I'm a large man. 1892 01:24:43.569 --> 01:24:47.350 And I go, oh my God, you're glorious. It's literally 1893 01:24:47.390 --> 01:24:48.529 my first words to him. 1894 01:24:48.819 --> 01:24:50.840 I'm like, you're glorious. He's stunning. 1895 01:24:50.899 --> 01:24:52.680 Like he takes your breath away. 1896 01:24:52.779 --> 01:24:56.100 There was never a question. about the makeup. There was 1897 01:24:56.140 --> 01:24:58.420 never a question about how much of me is going 1898 01:24:58.439 --> 01:25:00.819 to show up. It just went in. Then, you know, 1899 01:25:00.960 --> 01:25:04.319 whatever happens, like, for example, I work with Mia Goth, 1900 01:25:04.470 --> 01:25:06.050 who's completely instinctual. 1901 01:25:06.279 --> 01:25:06.939 She's riveting. 1902 01:25:07.189 --> 01:25:10.149 She's riveting because I never knew what was going to 1903 01:25:10.189 --> 01:25:13.090 happen in the thing. But she's real. The two realest 1904 01:25:13.350 --> 01:25:16.130 actors I've worked with are Sally Hawkins and her, who 1905 01:25:16.170 --> 01:25:19.130 you didn't know. And all of a sudden, you were like, cut! 1906 01:25:19.890 --> 01:25:22.109 And I'm guessing, too, you don't even want to be 1907 01:25:22.149 --> 01:25:25.729 a part of whatever's happening. Like, just... I don't ever 1908 01:25:25.789 --> 01:25:27.460 want to fuck up this thing that's happening. 1909 01:25:27.479 --> 01:25:30.239 I remember, for example, in the scene between her and him, 1910 01:25:30.460 --> 01:25:33.430 we have the butterfly on the table and in the 1911 01:25:33.880 --> 01:25:36.819 Third take, she drops down and talks to the butterfly. 1912 01:25:36.880 --> 01:25:37.960 She decided that. 1913 01:25:38.159 --> 01:25:39.119 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1914 01:25:39.239 --> 01:25:41.760 I had her holding it like Hamlet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1915 01:25:41.779 --> 01:25:44.119 And she just dropped down to the level of the butterfly. 1916 01:25:44.300 --> 01:25:47.119 And the next take, I went down with the camera. 1917 01:25:47.229 --> 01:25:48.649 I said, let's be prepared. 1918 01:25:48.659 --> 01:25:49.159 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1919 01:25:49.199 --> 01:25:51.710 But, you know, I opened myself. I said, I have 1920 01:25:51.729 --> 01:25:52.390 to know a little. 1921 01:25:52.729 --> 01:25:54.430 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1922 01:25:54.470 --> 01:25:57.789 But the first day, I said, well, this is your mark. 1923 01:25:57.909 --> 01:26:00.390 And I'm very precise with the camera normally. I said, 1924 01:26:00.409 --> 01:26:02.050 this is your mark. You're going to stop here. And 1925 01:26:02.109 --> 01:26:03.640 I'm going to do a mini master. And she says, 1926 01:26:03.800 --> 01:26:07.399 what is a mini master? Why do I have to 1927 01:26:07.439 --> 01:26:10.500 stand there? I knew this was coming from purity. Yeah, 1928 01:26:10.520 --> 01:26:12.520 not ego. Not an ego. And she said, why don't 1929 01:26:12.539 --> 01:26:14.859 we shoot it and see what happens? And I go, yeah, 1930 01:26:14.899 --> 01:26:17.159 why not? I mean, there was a countdown. 1931 01:26:17.279 --> 01:26:17.899 Yeah. 1932 01:26:18.060 --> 01:26:20.350 And I went, yeah, why not? 1933 01:26:20.399 --> 01:26:22.090 Yeah. 1934 01:26:22.170 --> 01:26:24.350 Okay, when does Pans come out? Pans Labyrinth. 1935 01:26:24.369 --> 01:26:28.039 It comes out on my birthday, October 9th. Happy birthday. 1936 01:26:28.060 --> 01:26:31.899 Okay, wonderful. I will be watching it in 3D. Guillermo, 1937 01:26:32.000 --> 01:26:34.760 it's such an enormous honor to get to chat with. 1938 01:26:34.689 --> 01:26:35.649 You for two hours. 1939 01:26:35.729 --> 01:26:37.199 I just really feel lucky. 1940 01:26:37.310 --> 01:26:39.390 Sometimes we have singers who come in and they'll sing 1941 01:26:39.430 --> 01:26:41.670 and sometimes we're like, how is this our job to 1942 01:26:41.750 --> 01:26:42.329 be here? 1943 01:26:42.409 --> 01:26:45.970 Yeah, Marcus Mumford sitting there screaming at us with his guitar. 1944 01:26:45.989 --> 01:26:47.989 Yes, and being in the zone with them. And like, 1945 01:26:48.010 --> 01:26:49.930 that's how I feel getting to look at that. 1946 01:26:49.949 --> 01:26:50.989 Me too, me too. 1947 01:26:51.029 --> 01:26:55.270 But isn't that amazing? What's happiness? We do what we love. 1948 01:26:55.609 --> 01:26:58.439 In whatever moment, and it doesn't have to be the 1949 01:26:58.489 --> 01:27:01.819 moment of acting or the moment of directing, but our 1950 01:27:01.880 --> 01:27:05.159 life is lined up with our joy. 1951 01:27:06.020 --> 01:27:07.260 Yeah, that's a special. 1952 01:27:07.359 --> 01:27:09.300 That's a blessing. Yeah, it is. 1953 01:27:09.699 --> 01:27:12.050 Oh, well, what a blast. Yes, thank you. 1954 01:27:12.109 --> 01:27:14.329 And I didn't drink the liquid death. Oh, no, you 1955 01:27:14.350 --> 01:27:17.069 can take it with you. There's a great rule to directing. 1956 01:27:17.109 --> 01:27:18.970 If you drink, you pee. If you pee, you leave. 1957 01:27:20.420 --> 01:27:20.760 Oh. 1958 01:27:20.800 --> 01:27:23.930 Never leave the set. I like that. All right. Well, 1959 01:27:23.949 --> 01:27:24.289 be well. 1960 01:27:24.329 --> 01:27:24.970 Thanks for coming in. 1961 01:27:24.989 --> 01:27:25.789 Thank you. Bye-bye, guys. 1962 01:27:26.489 --> 01:27:29.869 He is an armchair expert, but he makes mistakes all 1963 01:27:29.909 --> 01:27:30.489 the time. 1964 01:27:30.729 --> 01:27:34.060 Thank God Monica's here. She's got to let him have 1965 01:27:34.100 -->

01:27:34.850 the facts. 1966 01:27:36.420 --> 01:27:41.000 I just peed, and my underwear's on backwards, so. 1967 01:27:41.479 --> 01:27:42.239 Backwards? 1968 01:27:42.560 --> 01:27:42.800 Yep. 1969 01:27:43.180 --> 01:27:44.039 Not inside out? 1970 01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:44.359 Nope. 1971 01:27:45.279 --> 01:27:45.939 Backwards. 1972 01:27:46.350 --> 01:27:49.109 Aren't your underwear generally bigger in front than in back? 1973 01:27:49.239 --> 01:27:49.479 Uh-huh. 1974 01:27:50.359 --> 01:27:54.680 Don't you really notice the front having... Apparently not. 1975 01:27:55.199 --> 01:27:55.750 Apparently not. 1976 01:27:55.760 --> 01:27:57.119 Did you correct it or you're like, this is working? 1977 01:27:57.140 --> 01:28:00.420 No, I didn't have time. So I left it. 1978 01:28:00.460 --> 01:28:02.239 I see you were sitting on the commode and you 1979 01:28:02.260 --> 01:28:04.180 look down and you're like, oh, those are backwards. 1980 01:28:04.260 --> 01:28:04.720 Exactly. 1981 01:28:04.739 --> 01:28:06.380 And then you're like, but fucking who has the time? 1982 01:28:06.399 --> 01:28:08.159 What am I to take off my shoes, my pants? 1983 01:28:08.199 --> 01:28:09.229 I have a belt on. 1984 01:28:09.239 --> 01:28:10.590 I don't know that you'd have to take your shoes 1985 01:28:10.630 --> 01:28:11.550 off to take your pants off. 1986 01:28:12.090 --> 01:28:15.659 Trust me. I could, but it would take a lot 1987 01:28:15.699 --> 01:28:16.300 of thought. 1988 01:28:16.420 --> 01:28:16.699 Okay. 1989 01:28:17.000 --> 01:28:19.399 And they're slippery shoes. It would come off anyway. 1990 01:28:20.039 --> 01:28:20.220 Wow. 1991 01:28:20.260 --> 01:28:23.180 You committed. There's no physical discomfort though. 1992 01:28:23.779 --> 01:28:26.500 No, I mean, it's a comfy, it's a, it's a thong. 1993 01:28:27.560 --> 01:28:27.819 Sure. 1994 01:28:27.859 --> 01:28:29.199 So now it's. 1995 01:28:29.270 --> 01:28:33.310 It's not a string. It's not a, what are they called? 1996 01:28:33.329 --> 01:28:38.210 I don't even know what that's called anymore. It's not 1997 01:28:38.250 --> 01:28:40.750 a G-string. I would notice if it was a G-string. 1998 01:28:40.770 --> 01:28:42.869 Okay, right. And it was, yeah. 1999 01:28:43.329 --> 01:28:46.390 Maybe, I also think maybe these are a little stretched out. 2000 01:28:46.729 --> 01:28:49.939 Okay. The elasticity is in better days. 2001 01:28:50.239 --> 01:28:53.399 So like, it's probably covering up more than it should. 2002 01:28:53.659 --> 01:28:55.140 Okay, okay, great. 2003 01:28:55.159 --> 01:28:55.239 Yeah. 2004 01:28:55.819 --> 01:28:59.710 But the back doesn't feel cumbersome and bound up? You 2005 01:28:59.729 --> 01:29:01.569 don't feel like you have a bunch of fabric back there? 2006 01:29:01.670 --> 01:29:04.609 No, because it's still a small amount of fabric in 2007 01:29:04.750 --> 01:29:08.579 the front. Sure, sure, sure. So this leads me to 2008 01:29:08.899 --> 01:29:13.899 the fact that I did not fast math. Well, maybe 2009 01:29:13.960 --> 01:29:16.479 I did fast math, which is why it was incorrect. 2010 01:29:16.619 --> 01:29:17.539 Too fast math. 2011 01:29:17.600 --> 01:29:17.920 Yes. 2012 01:29:17.960 --> 01:29:21.380 Where I thought I was starting my period this past Monday. 2013 01:29:21.420 --> 01:29:21.979 It's Wednesday. 2014 01:29:22.579 --> 01:29:24.520 In fact, we had a guest that's coming out. 2015 01:29:24.770 --> 01:29:24.939 I know. 2016 01:29:24.970 --> 01:29:26.770 Where a good chunk of the interview is talking about 2017 01:29:26.779 --> 01:29:29.689 your different phases. And you were completely on... You were 2018 01:29:29.729 --> 01:29:30.689 talking out of your ass on that one. 2019 01:29:30.750 --> 01:29:31.210 I was. 2020 01:29:31.229 --> 01:29:31.970 In retrospect. 2021 01:29:32.250 --> 01:29:35.909 I was. And maybe we were in the same... I 2022 01:29:35.949 --> 01:29:36.949 don't even know. 2023 01:29:36.970 --> 01:29:37.050 Yeah. 2024 01:29:37.069 --> 01:29:40.550 But I thought I was about to start my period. 2025 01:29:40.569 --> 01:29:40.739 And.... 2026 01:29:42.979 --> 01:29:43.699 I'm not. 2027 01:29:44.140 --> 01:29:46.359 It's this upcoming Monday. Would you ever use, like, the 2028 01:29:46.399 --> 01:29:47.520 app I now have, Flow? 2029 01:29:47.579 --> 01:29:48.880 I had it for a little bit. 2030 01:29:49.199 --> 01:29:52.420 And you're like, yeah. I have an open mind since 2031 01:29:52.439 --> 01:29:54.760 that plane ride, if I'm being honest. I should. 2032 01:29:55.100 --> 01:29:56.119 Since that plane ride? 2033 01:29:56.479 --> 01:29:58.460 When I first started using it. When I discovered I 2034 01:29:58.479 --> 01:29:59.979 had already made the meal I was supposed to make. 2035 01:30:00.420 --> 01:30:00.880 Oh, right. 2036 01:30:01.020 --> 01:30:01.319 Yeah, yeah. 2037 01:30:01.859 --> 01:30:02.319 Okay. 2038 01:30:03.260 --> 01:30:04.439 Day one of having the app. 2039 01:30:04.680 --> 01:30:06.550 Well, you can tell people they don't know what's going on. 2040 01:30:06.560 --> 01:30:09.659 It's not out yet. You have flow. 2041 01:30:10.060 --> 01:30:13.640 Yes, I have flow for partners. So I, in theory, 2042 01:30:13.850 --> 01:30:15.890 know what my partner is going through. 2043 01:30:16.310 --> 01:30:21.149 Yeah, I think that's so... For one, like, smart. 2044 01:30:21.390 --> 01:30:21.590 Yeah. 2045 01:30:21.750 --> 01:30:25.369 Two, it's very sweet. It's that you care to know 2046 01:30:25.390 --> 01:30:26.829 what's going on with your partner. 2047 01:30:26.850 --> 01:30:27.270 Yeah. 2048 01:30:27.430 --> 01:30:29.729 I recommend this for people in partnerships. 2049 01:30:30.149 --> 01:30:30.770 Yeah, yeah. 2050 01:30:31.229 --> 01:30:31.630 I do, too. 2051 01:30:31.649 --> 01:30:34.270 I asked if, like, there was an ability, like a 2052 01:30:34.340 --> 01:30:36.720 Google Calendar, where you had a lot of people. So 2053 01:30:36.760 --> 01:30:40.680 you had your partner. You

have Kristen. You have both 2054 01:30:40.720 --> 01:30:43.760 of your teenage girls. You have me. All the women 2055 01:30:43.779 --> 01:30:45.399 you have to deal with on a daily basis. 2056 01:30:45.420 --> 01:30:46.199 That's what I need. 2057 01:30:46.239 --> 01:30:50.810 I actually need, like, the AI version. That's like, you 2058 01:30:50.850 --> 01:30:52.989 should make up a reason to go out of town 2059 01:30:53.069 --> 01:30:56.210 these 36 hours. That's never how it should be used. 2060 01:30:56.250 --> 01:30:56.430 Nope. 2061 01:30:56.590 --> 01:30:57.770 No, stick around and enjoy. 2062 01:30:57.789 --> 01:31:01.010 It's just like, make us all dinner on our days. 2063 01:31:01.029 --> 01:31:01.819 That's a good way to look at it. 2064 01:31:01.869 --> 01:31:02.399 That'd be fun. 2065 01:31:02.409 --> 01:31:03.189 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2066 01:31:03.449 --> 01:31:06.479 But anyway, so I think the backwards underwear has to 2067 01:31:06.539 --> 01:31:07.779 do with my face. 2068 01:31:07.800 --> 01:31:09.479 Impending... Period. 2069 01:31:09.520 --> 01:31:09.880 Yeah. 2070 01:31:10.220 --> 01:31:12.340 Okay. But I was so bummed. Well, you're also very chipper, though. 2071 01:31:12.359 --> 01:31:13.020 I know. 2072 01:31:13.100 --> 01:31:15.300 But now I'm... I thought that. I was like, have 2073 01:31:15.359 --> 01:31:18.279 I done bad math again? Is it two weeks away? 2074 01:31:18.789 --> 01:31:22.069 Because normally I'm not in so great of a mood. 2075 01:31:22.170 --> 01:31:29.130 I have pretty bad PMDD. That's an intense version of PMS. 2076 01:31:29.329 --> 01:31:30.199 And I think I have it. 2077 01:31:30.189 --> 01:31:30.729 Double Virgo. 2078 01:31:30.810 --> 01:31:30.979 Yeah. 2079 01:31:32.140 --> 01:31:32.859 Double Ds. 2080 01:31:32.880 --> 01:31:33.439 Yeah, double Ds. 2081 01:31:33.439 --> 01:31:34.460 Double Virgo. 2082 01:31:34.479 --> 01:31:35.359 You like things in doubles. 2083 01:31:35.460 --> 01:31:35.840 I do. 2084 01:31:35.939 --> 01:31:36.279 I do. 2085 01:31:36.359 --> 01:31:36.760 I do. So.... 2086 01:31:39.130 --> 01:31:43.189 I'm normally I can tell because I'm very easily agitated. 2087 01:31:43.310 --> 01:31:43.630 Yeah. 2088 01:31:43.989 --> 01:31:48.750 Well, though, I don't want this to sound insulting. Let 2089 01:31:48.789 --> 01:31:50.909 me back up and say, do you remember the great 2090 01:31:50.989 --> 01:31:54.590 guests we had that 30 percent of all medical issues 2091 01:31:54.789 --> 01:31:57.409 are psychosomatic? Right. That we learned that 30 percent of 2092 01:31:57.470 --> 01:32:00.010 people with seizures don't have epilepsy. 30 percent of people 2093 01:32:00.050 --> 01:32:02.329 with heart attacks don't have heart disease. But it's kind 2094 01:32:02.350 --> 01:32:03.010 of a standard. 2095 01:32:03.550 --> 01:32:03.680 Mm hmm. 2096 01:32:04.100 --> 01:32:07.460 So just acknowledging we're very, very prone to psychosomatic conditions. 2097 01:32:07.819 --> 01:32:10.359 Do you think any

element of it is psychosomatic? 2098 01:32:10.439 --> 01:32:11.989 So you didn't need to say that. 2099 01:32:12.689 --> 01:32:12.789 Oh. 2100 01:32:12.829 --> 01:32:13.949 Because I was going to say that. 2101 01:32:14.489 --> 01:32:14.909 Oh, okay. 2102 01:32:15.909 --> 01:32:16.430 Oh, here it is. 2103 01:32:18.949 --> 01:32:19.050 Oh. 2104 01:32:21.130 --> 01:32:25.180 No, because I was going to say, well, two things. One, 2105 01:32:25.279 --> 01:32:26.239 I am in a good mood. 2106 01:32:26.439 --> 01:32:26.699 Yeah. 2107 01:32:26.739 --> 01:32:27.319 For the most part. 2108 01:32:27.340 --> 01:32:29.500 Chipper, I'd say. Spring to your step. 2109 01:32:30.079 --> 01:32:34.750 And that worries me a little that I'm not doing math. 2110 01:32:34.810 --> 01:32:35.369 Still not. 2111 01:32:35.510 --> 01:32:38.729 Yeah, I'm not doing math correctly. But also what it 2112 01:32:38.829 --> 01:32:43.069 did tell me was that, yeah, some of it might 2113 01:32:43.130 --> 01:32:45.960 be in your head because you're expecting it. But I 2114 01:32:46.020 --> 01:32:47.880 was in a very good mood last week. 2115 01:32:48.239 --> 01:32:48.579 Right. 2116 01:32:48.699 --> 01:32:52.539 And I said to myself, I'm like— I don't have 2117 01:32:52.560 --> 01:32:53.220 that anymore. 2118 01:32:53.420 --> 01:32:53.779 Right. 2119 01:32:53.899 --> 01:32:56.579 So you're ready to, you're happy to shed it. 2120 01:32:56.739 --> 01:32:57.100 Yeah. 2121 01:32:57.119 --> 01:33:00.500 I was like, oh, I must not have, that's gone away. 2122 01:33:00.520 --> 01:33:00.600 Yeah. 2123 01:33:01.720 --> 01:33:04.000 But I did have a few other things. Like my 2124 01:33:04.039 --> 01:33:05.680 back was hurting. These are all, you know. 2125 01:33:05.880 --> 01:33:07.619 I think this is the way in which it could 2126 01:33:07.680 --> 01:33:11.590 manifest itself psychosomatically, which is you have a bit of 2127 01:33:11.810 --> 01:33:15.670 irritability and then you go, oh, here we go. Right. Like, oh, 2128 01:33:16.130 --> 01:33:19.779 it's here. Mm-hmm. Whereas that might have just been an 2129 01:33:19.840 --> 01:33:23.500 acute moment of irritability. But certainly if you're like, here 2130 01:33:23.539 --> 01:33:28.359 we go, I do think you're then really noticing things 2131 01:33:28.380 --> 01:33:29.659 that are irritating you, perhaps. 2132 01:33:30.060 --> 01:33:35.479 But then the backwards underwear is very prepared. Yeah, you're 2133 01:33:35.520 --> 01:33:38.340 dropping stuff. I don't understand. I spill a lot. 2134 01:33:38.380 --> 01:33:38.779 Clumsy. 2135 01:33:39.359 --> 01:33:40.430 Get real clumsy. 2136 01:33:40.439 --> 01:33:40.600 PMSCC. 2137 01:33:40.649 --> 01:33:41.350 PMSCC. 2138 01:33:41.949 --> 01:33:43.909 E-M-S, clumsy, clumsy. 2139 01:33:43.930 --> 01:33:45.989 Yeah, clumsy, clumsy. Crazy clumsy. 2140 01:33:46.289 --> 01:33:49.090 Yeah, so that's what's going on with me. 2141 01:33:49.109 --> 01:33:50.989 I went to a concert last night. 2142 01:33:51.149 --> 01:33:53.390 Oh my God, see, see. 2143 01:33:53.510 --> 01:33:54.109 Yeah. 2144 01:33:54.329 --> 01:33:54.970 How was it? 2145 01:33:54.970 --> 01:33:56.789 Yeah, and I try not to name drop, but this 2146 01:33:56.850 --> 01:33:59.560 feels like it would be insane not to name drop. 2147 01:33:59.600 --> 01:34:00.050 How was it? 2148 01:34:00.140 --> 01:34:02.859 I went to see Jack White with Jack Black. 2149 01:34:04.470 --> 01:34:05.609 No way. 2150 01:34:05.670 --> 01:34:06.569 How great is that? 2151 01:34:06.609 --> 01:34:09.529 That's great. Are they best friends? 2152 01:34:10.029 --> 01:34:13.430 Well, did you see the SNL that they did last year? 2153 01:34:13.649 --> 01:34:17.270 It's among the most impressive things I've ever seen. 2154 01:34:17.850 --> 01:34:17.949 Why? 2155 01:34:17.989 --> 01:34:22.720 It's Jack Black. He's hosting SNL. And Jack White is 2156 01:34:22.760 --> 01:34:23.840 the musician that night. 2157 01:34:24.199 --> 01:34:24.760 I love this. 2158 01:34:24.800 --> 01:34:29.729 So he does a version of Seven Nation Army. But 2159 01:34:29.829 --> 01:34:33.380 walking through the green room, talking to cast members, then 2160 01:34:33.460 --> 01:34:36.279 comes out on stage, then collides with Jack White, and 2161 01:34:36.300 --> 01:34:39.539 then they let it fucking rip. It's like impressive on 2162 01:34:39.539 --> 01:34:39.979 20 levels. 2163 01:34:40.159 --> 01:34:40.699 Wow. 2164 01:34:40.720 --> 01:34:45.170 The comedy's happening. The improv's happening. The synchronicity of the 2165 01:34:45.270 --> 01:34:46.270 song is happening. 2166 01:34:46.369 --> 01:34:46.810 Wow. 2167 01:34:47.350 --> 01:34:49.470 There's a couple people in the world that can do 2168 01:34:49.689 --> 01:34:51.369 what Jack Black did in that thing. 2169 01:34:51.390 --> 01:34:52.069 He's so talented. 2170 01:34:52.409 --> 01:34:53.170 So fucking talented. 2171 01:34:53.449 --> 01:34:55.939 If you missed that episode, go back in the archives. 2172 01:34:56.180 --> 01:34:56.760 We did interview him. 2173 01:34:56.779 --> 01:34:57.119 Great app. 2174 01:34:57.159 --> 01:34:57.640 Great app. 2175 01:34:58.539 --> 01:35:02.010 So then WabiWab was nice enough to connect me with tickets. 2176 01:35:02.270 --> 01:35:02.670 Great. 2177 01:35:03.189 --> 01:35:06.449 So I then reach out to Jack Black. Now, this 2178 01:35:06.510 --> 01:35:09.000 is the second time this has happened in my life. 2179 01:35:09.140 --> 01:35:12.079 So one time, as you might recall, I invited Matthew 2180 01:35:12.100 --> 01:35:17.829 McConaughey to a Stand-up performance at this arena on a date, basically. 2181 01:35:17.869 --> 01:35:18.750 Andrew Schultz, yes. 2182 01:35:18.810 --> 01:35:22.130 Andrew Schultz. And we went, and it was embarrassing because, like, 2183 01:35:22.210 --> 01:35:24.630 I had gotten tickets. But, of course, like, he had 2184 01:35:24.689 --> 01:35:27.010 built the arena. Like, he had helped design the arena. 2185 01:35:27.029

--> 01:35:29.069 So then he's like, well, yeah, we could totally do 2186 01:35:29.090 --> 01:35:31.670 your thing, or we could go sit in this box, blah, blah, blah. 2187 01:35:31.850 --> 01:35:33.539 So it was just kind of funny. Like, I invited him. 2188 01:35:33.560 --> 01:35:34.399 But that's nice. 2189 01:35:34.560 --> 01:35:35.000 Yeah, yeah. 2190 01:35:35.060 --> 01:35:35.260 Yeah. 2191 01:35:35.539 --> 01:35:38.199 So a similar thing happened, which is I was like, oh, 2192 01:35:38.270 --> 01:35:41.390 I know Jack likes Jack White. I have two tickets. 2193 01:35:41.970 --> 01:35:43.529 I don't know who to go with on Tuesday night. 2194 01:35:43.609 --> 01:35:47.829 So I invited him, and he was like, yeah, okay, great. 2195 01:35:48.189 --> 01:35:52.329 We'll ride there. So he rides an electric motorcycle, which 2196 01:35:52.409 --> 01:35:55.430 is fantastic. I mean, the highlight of the night was 2197 01:35:55.470 --> 01:35:57.140 him and I riding around on motorcycles to go to 2198 01:35:57.180 --> 01:35:59.899 this show, just chatting at every stoplight. It was so fun. 2199 01:36:00.420 --> 01:36:04.039 But of course, like, And again, major blessings to Wabi Wabi. 2200 01:36:04.060 --> 01:36:05.460 He had hooked me up. I was going to get 2201 01:36:05.479 --> 01:36:07.920 very nice treatment. But then I arrived with Jack Black. 2202 01:36:08.199 --> 01:36:10.090 And then it was like, as we're coming in the 2203 01:36:10.119 --> 01:36:12.949 parking lot, it's just like everyone there knows to instruct 2204 01:36:12.989 --> 01:36:14.529 him to go there. He goes to shows there all 2205 01:36:14.569 --> 01:36:17.529 the time. He has a special parking spot. We don't, 2206 01:36:17.829 --> 01:36:21.390 nothing like, just go anywhere you want. You want to 2207 01:36:21.409 --> 01:36:24.439 sit on Jack White's lap? Like you name it. 2208 01:36:24.489 --> 01:36:27.260 So you didn't end up sitting in the seats you got. 2209 01:36:27.779 --> 01:36:29.770 No, and I got to sit on the stage with 2210 01:36:29.819 --> 01:36:30.750 Jack Black. 2211 01:36:30.770 --> 01:36:31.430 On the stage? 2212 01:36:31.449 --> 01:36:33.449 He had to stage right, like where the guitar tech 2213 01:36:33.510 --> 01:36:34.890 is working on the guitars and stuff. 2214 01:36:34.909 --> 01:36:36.550 Oh, backstage, side stage. 2215 01:36:36.609 --> 01:36:40.489 Yes, stage right. And then also I get to meet 2216 01:36:40.529 --> 01:36:42.670 Jack White because I'm with Jack Black. 2217 01:36:42.970 --> 01:36:44.899 Oh, fun. It was so fun. 2218 01:36:44.909 --> 01:36:46.840 It was so fun. And then as Wobby Wob and 2219 01:36:46.859 --> 01:36:50.029 I were just discussing it. Jack White is so worth 2220 01:36:50.069 --> 01:36:53.380 seeing in your lifetime. What he does with this guitar 2221 01:36:53.760 --> 01:36:56.619 is almost really beyond description. He's doing something much, much 2222 01:36:56.659 --> 01:37:01.180 different than just, he's like, he's forming a piece

of 2223 01:37:01.300 --> 01:37:03.779 metal into something, right? There's like, he's at war with 2224 01:37:03.819 --> 01:37:06.359 this fucking guitar and he just manhandles it in this 2225 01:37:06.420 --> 01:37:09.000 way that is just really wild. I don't think I've 2226 01:37:09.079 --> 01:37:13.279 ever seen anyone live play guitar like he was doing. Wow. 2227 01:37:13.479 --> 01:37:15.180 That's awesome. He's from Michigan. 2228 01:37:15.199 --> 01:37:19.520 You know, John C. Reilly, um, Is in the video 2229 01:37:19.720 --> 01:37:22.500 for Archbishop, one of my favorite songs. 2230 01:37:22.579 --> 01:37:23.100 Okay. 2231 01:37:23.939 --> 01:37:26.220 One album ago. What's the name of that song, Wabiwam? 2232 01:37:26.640 --> 01:37:28.100 Archbishop Harold Holmes. 2233 01:37:28.840 --> 01:37:33.350 Harold Holmes. Archbishop Harold Holmes. And it's about a preacher, right? 2234 01:37:33.890 --> 01:37:36.109 And I didn't even know this, but John C. Reilly, 2235 01:37:36.229 --> 01:37:38.409 I had seen the video. John C. Reilly did a 2236 01:37:38.449 --> 01:37:40.800 video of him in a church as a preacher to 2237 01:37:40.810 --> 01:37:43.619 that song. Okay. Well, John C. Reilly was there last night, 2238 01:37:43.720 --> 01:37:46.010 and then I found out from him, he just made 2239 01:37:46.020 --> 01:37:48.210 that video. That wasn't like a request. 2240 01:37:48.409 --> 01:37:49.810 Oh, fun. 2241 01:37:50.310 --> 01:37:52.380 He loved the song so much he wanted to make 2242 01:37:52.420 --> 01:37:52.859 a video. 2243 01:37:52.899 --> 01:37:53.300 That's cute. 2244 01:37:53.850 --> 01:37:56.609 Yeah, so he was right there in his garb from 2245 01:37:56.680 --> 01:37:57.039 the video. 2246 01:37:57.239 --> 01:37:58.659 Oh, preacher's garb? 2247 01:37:58.739 --> 01:37:59.399 Yes, yes. 2248 01:37:59.460 --> 01:38:01.220 Well, this cute top hat and stuff. 2249 01:38:01.239 --> 01:38:01.439 Sure. 2250 01:38:01.460 --> 01:38:02.699 I don't know if you call it a top hat. 2251 01:38:02.720 --> 01:38:05.119 We're not supposed to call it that, but yeah. But 2252 01:38:05.159 --> 01:38:06.060 I know what you mean. 2253 01:38:06.079 --> 01:38:07.779 Wait, you're not supposed to say top hat? 2254 01:38:07.840 --> 01:38:08.380 You're teasing. 2255 01:38:08.420 --> 01:38:11.520 No, I'm saying because whatever he's wearing is not. That's 2256 01:38:11.539 --> 01:38:11.880 not what it is. 2257 01:38:11.880 --> 01:38:11.979 Yeah. 2258 01:38:12.020 --> 01:38:13.420 It's not a top hat. He didn't look like Abe Lincoln. 2259 01:38:13.439 --> 01:38:15.930 To me, it's more of a chef's hat looking. 2260 01:38:15.939 --> 01:38:17.439 Stovepipe hat, maybe they call it. 2261 01:38:17.449 --> 01:38:17.689 Maybe. 2262 01:38:18.010 --> 01:38:19.869 Okay. Anyways, it was a lot of fun. 2263 01:38:20.220 --> 01:38:20.859 Fun. 2264 01:38:20.859 --> 01:38:23.229 Yeah, it was a lot of fun. You were out 2265 01:38:23.229 --> 01:38:25.760 in the world. I was out in the world. And 2266 01:38:25.760 --> 01:38:28.890 I really like that Jack Black so much. Yeah, he's 2267 01:38:28.890 --> 01:38:31.119 so great. He's such a sweet boy. 2268 01:38:31.180 --> 01:38:32.670 Yeah, I like him a lot, too. 2269 01:38:32.720 --> 01:38:33.079 Okay. 2270 01:38:33.340 --> 01:38:34.140 My other story. 2271 01:38:34.159 --> 01:38:34.220 Oh. 2272 01:38:34.520 --> 01:38:37.979 Oh, back to back. 2273 01:38:38.560 --> 01:38:40.479 Two stories. Oh, my God. 2274 01:38:40.579 --> 01:38:42.479 Well, I'm happy to hear another one of your stories. 2275 01:38:42.520 --> 01:38:44.619 No, you go, and I have more, but nothing. 2276 01:38:44.680 --> 01:38:45.890 Oh, tell me yours. Tell me yours. 2277 01:38:46.020 --> 01:38:46.350 Okay. 2278 01:38:46.770 --> 01:38:52.090 Well, so... We don't have any air conditioning. Period. Everything 2279 01:38:52.130 --> 01:38:53.229 has been ripped out of the house. 2280 01:38:53.930 --> 01:38:57.729 And for people who don't know, it's still very hot 2281 01:38:57.750 --> 01:38:57.970 in L.A. 2282 01:38:58.010 --> 01:39:00.270 Oh, in the 90s. We're in a heat wave. And 2283 01:39:00.340 --> 01:39:03.300 it's getting even worse this week. Did you get a flight? 2284 01:39:03.319 --> 01:39:07.100 Listen, there's bugs everywhere. 2285 01:39:07.220 --> 01:39:10.159 Now you're scratching your elbow kind of uncontrollably. 2286 01:39:10.399 --> 01:39:11.079 We'll get to this. 2287 01:39:11.319 --> 01:39:12.199 Okay. 2288 01:39:12.420 --> 01:39:12.800 Go on. 2289 01:39:13.060 --> 01:39:16.159 So we have no air conditioning. Belle is in Paris. 2290 01:39:16.470 --> 01:39:16.649 Mm-hmm. 2291 01:39:17.670 --> 01:39:20.020 And the girls and I go to bed night one 2292 01:39:20.060 --> 01:39:24.000 with no air conditioning and we're on the second floor 2293 01:39:24.340 --> 01:39:26.640 and it's warm. It's warm up there. 2294 01:39:26.859 --> 01:39:27.100 Yeah. 2295 01:39:27.239 --> 01:39:27.859 It's very warm. 2296 01:39:28.060 --> 01:39:28.279 Yep. 2297 01:39:28.439 --> 01:39:32.090 And so we all start in my room and we're 2298 01:39:32.270 --> 01:39:36.300 I'm just laying, you know, with pajama bottom pants, no shirt. 2299 01:39:36.880 --> 01:39:38.859 No sheet, anything. I'm just laying. 2300 01:39:38.880 --> 01:39:40.939 Is your underwear on correctly or backwards? 2301 01:39:41.119 --> 01:39:44.029 I'm in my pajama pants. Oh, so you don't know 2302 01:39:44.050 --> 01:39:46.430 what you're wearing. You don't wear underwear with your pajama pants. 2303 01:39:46.770 --> 01:39:46.850 Oh. 2304 01:39:46.869 --> 01:39:47.869 I find that disgusting. 2305 01:39:48.010 --> 01:39:48.789 You don't. 2306 01:39:49.550 --> 01:39:49.810 Okay. 2307 01:39:49.869 --> 01:39:51.149 I don't think anybody does that. 2308 01:39:51.180 --> 01:39:52.260 Of course. 2309 01:39:52.319 --> 01:39:55.140 No, that's what jammy. I don't think men wear underwear 2310 01:39:55.159 --> 01:39:56.439 with their jammy bottoms. 2311 01:39:56.579 -->

01:39:57.380 Are you serious? 2312 01:39:57.399 --> 01:39:58.060 Yes, Rob. 2313 01:39:58.079 --> 01:39:58.149 Rob? 2314 01:39:58.340 --> 01:40:00.050 Yeah, I wear underwear under it. 2315 01:40:00.359 --> 01:40:00.859 Okay. 2316 01:40:00.890 --> 01:40:01.609 You fucking prude. 2317 01:40:01.649 --> 01:40:04.189 No, I think he's in the majority. 2318 01:40:04.289 --> 01:40:06.029 Are you afraid you're going to get a boner in 2319 01:40:06.050 --> 01:40:06.609 the middle of the night? 2320 01:40:06.689 --> 01:40:09.050 I also never wear pajama pants, so. 2321 01:40:09.270 --> 01:40:10.350 Right. Well, that's different. 2322 01:40:10.390 --> 01:40:12.850 When I didn't wear pajama pants, I wore boxers to bed. 2323 01:40:13.050 --> 01:40:13.189 Yeah. 2324 01:40:13.899 --> 01:40:14.060 Oh. 2325 01:40:14.140 --> 01:40:17.060 But if you wore pajama pants, you'd put fucking underwear 2326 01:40:17.119 --> 01:40:17.720 on under them? 2327 01:40:17.939 --> 01:40:18.619 Yeah. Yeah. Okay. 2328 01:40:18.819 --> 01:40:20.359 Because you're throwing it on if it's like cold. 2329 01:40:20.460 --> 01:40:23.079 Do you leave your underwear on in a massage? Yes. 2330 01:40:24.380 --> 01:40:25.319 A lot of people do. 2331 01:40:25.500 --> 01:40:25.760 Okay. 2332 01:40:25.800 --> 01:40:26.140 Listen. 2333 01:40:26.199 --> 01:40:30.979 I was told I'm supposed to by my mom. 2334 01:40:31.000 --> 01:40:31.680 No, recently. 2335 01:40:31.760 --> 01:40:33.640 She's like, leave your underwear on. 2336 01:40:34.000 --> 01:40:37.539 Listen, I also leave. I'm 50-50 on leaving underwear on 2337 01:40:37.579 --> 01:40:40.090 in a massage. I sometimes do. I sometimes don't. 2338 01:40:40.100 --> 01:40:40.510 Okay. 2339 01:40:40.600 --> 01:40:45.050 But also, I wear pajama pants all the time. Constantly. 2340 01:40:45.130 --> 01:40:46.170 And I'm wearing underwear. 2341 01:40:46.489 --> 01:40:49.770 But your underwear are way smaller than my underwear. Although 2342 01:40:49.810 --> 01:40:51.109 your nighttime underwear might be better. 2343 01:40:51.130 --> 01:40:54.819 You've never seen my underwear. My nighttime underwear is huge. 2344 01:40:54.840 --> 01:40:56.979 Diaper. They're knickers. 2345 01:40:57.199 --> 01:40:57.539 Yeah. 2346 01:40:58.239 --> 01:41:02.939 My nixies. Where was I? Okay, so. 2347 01:41:03.869 --> 01:41:04.430 It was hot. 2348 01:41:04.829 --> 01:41:08.529 Lincoln's particularly hot. And I think she gets it in 2349 01:41:08.569 --> 01:41:10.029 her head. She's not going to be able to sleep. 2350 01:41:10.090 --> 01:41:11.550 And she's like me, right? So she's a little bit 2351 01:41:11.630 --> 01:41:12.630 prone to. 2352 01:41:13.090 --> 01:41:14.520 The psychosomatic. Psychosomatic. 2353 01:41:15.390 --> 01:41:18.260 Yeah, whatever you call it. Insomnia, right? She had a 2354 01:41:18.409 --> 01:41:20.800 real bad year. She got over it. Thank God. I 2355 01:41:20.819 --> 01:41:22.140 thought she was never going to get over it. But anyway, 2356 01:41:22.159 --> 01:41:24.319 she got over it. But I could just feel that 2357 01:41:24.380 --> 01:41:25.920 she got in in her head that she was not 2358 01:41:25.939 --> 01:41:28.439 going to be able to sleep. So she's already on 2359 01:41:28.560 --> 01:41:32.539 pins and needles. I do fall asleep. And then I hear, Dad, 2360 01:41:35.470 --> 01:41:40.199 stop snoring. I'm like, Am I naughty? And I'm, of course, 2361 01:41:40.260 --> 01:41:42.300 I'm like, I bet I'm not. I bet like she's 2362 01:41:42.439 --> 01:41:46.289 so easily agitated because she already can't go to sleep. 2363 01:41:46.409 --> 01:41:47.949 But didn't you say you've been snoring lately and that's 2364 01:41:47.970 --> 01:41:49.409 why you're doing the sleep test and stuff? 2365 01:41:49.689 --> 01:41:51.750 Yeah, but now I have a spray I'm using that 2366 01:41:51.850 --> 01:41:56.689 I thought, you know, I am not a trustworthy witness 2367 01:41:56.720 --> 01:41:59.180 because I didn't witness it. Yeah, of course. 2368 01:41:59.199 --> 01:42:00.039 You're unreliable. 2369 01:42:00.260 --> 01:42:01.180 All to say, though. 2370 01:42:02.000 --> 01:42:02.479 Okay. 2371 01:42:03.060 --> 01:42:06.079 Sorry, I'll sleep on my side. How does one not snore? 2372 01:42:06.140 --> 01:42:08.619 It's not like I chose to snore in the first place. 2373 01:42:08.659 --> 01:42:10.569 That's why snoring is so. 2374 01:42:10.930 --> 01:42:12.850 Now I've been woken up and now it takes me 2375 01:42:12.869 --> 01:42:15.369 another 15 minutes to fall back asleep. And then as 2376 01:42:15.390 --> 01:42:17.840 soon as I get to sleep, it's like, dad and 2377 01:42:17.859 --> 01:42:19.970 i'm like oh my god i can't i there's no 2378 01:42:20.010 --> 01:42:23.090 what are we gonna do i i'm like okay mind 2379 01:42:23.149 --> 01:42:25.149 you we were in my room because it was the 2380 01:42:25.229 --> 01:42:28.329 coolest of the the three options yes so i go 2381 01:42:28.390 --> 01:42:32.250 fine i'll leave i'll leave so now i'm like crumbling 2382 01:42:32.310 --> 01:42:36.140 i go into delta's room which is like 750 degrees 2383 01:42:36.220 --> 01:42:40.079 and i lay down on that bed and it takes 2384 01:42:40.119 --> 01:42:42.439 me about 45 minutes to fall asleep in there so 2385 01:42:42.479 --> 01:42:45.840 now we're at About midnight, I'd say, that I'm going 2386 01:42:45.859 --> 01:42:49.449 to bed. I wake up at 6, 1.30 a.m., because 2387 01:42:49.510 --> 01:42:53.869 unbeknownst to me, and I don't know if Lincoln, now 2388 01:42:53.909 --> 01:42:56.350 Delta's snoring was bothering her, or she just was like, 2389 01:42:56.409 --> 01:42:59.649 it's too hot in here. She went out to the 2390 01:42:59.689 --> 01:43:00.250 guest house. 2391 01:43:00.630 --> 01:43:01.060 Smart. 2392 01:43:01.520 --> 01:43:02.840 Yes, because that does have air conditioning. 2393 01:43:02.859 --> 01:43:03.760 I don't know why you guys. 2394 01:43:03.800 --> 01:43:04.439 We should have started. 2395

01:43:04.479 --> 01:43:04.859 Yeah. 2396 01:43:04.899 --> 01:43:10.859 But absolutely stupid. Okay. So she's left. Delta was asleep 2397 01:43:10.899 --> 01:43:11.619 when I left. 2398 01:43:11.640 --> 01:43:11.939 Mm-hmm. 2399 01:43:12.279 --> 01:43:15.069 So Delta wakes up at 1.30 in the morning. Nobody's 2400 01:43:15.109 --> 01:43:18.590 in the room. Sure. Additionally, a couple of spooky things 2401 01:43:18.630 --> 01:43:22.859 happened by Delta's. Delta got convinced earlier when we were 2402 01:43:22.880 --> 01:43:25.279 just in Delta's room and we were listening to a 2403 01:43:25.300 --> 01:43:25.970 book on tape. 2404 01:43:26.020 --> 01:43:26.270 Uh-huh. 2405 01:43:27.579 --> 01:43:29.369 She went in the hallway and Frank wasn't in his 2406 01:43:29.390 --> 01:43:33.350 little bed, the dog. And she got convinced that someone 2407 01:43:33.390 --> 01:43:36.409 had moved Frank out of his bed onto the hallway. 2408 01:43:36.449 --> 01:43:38.449 And I said, well, hon, Frank would have barked if 2409 01:43:38.489 --> 01:43:39.100 a stranger. 2410 01:43:39.109 --> 01:43:39.760 Definitely. 2411 01:43:39.770 --> 01:43:41.439 But she had it in her mind a little bit 2412 01:43:41.500 --> 01:43:44.260 that something spooky was already happening. Oh, no. Then she 2413 01:43:44.300 --> 01:43:46.340 wakes up in a room and no one's there anymore. 2414 01:43:46.500 --> 01:43:47.220 She hated that. 2415 01:43:47.260 --> 01:43:49.479 So at one thirty in the morning after I finally 2416 01:43:49.520 --> 01:43:52.689 fall asleep. All of a sudden, lights full blast are 2417 01:43:52.930 --> 01:43:56.590 on in her bedroom. And now I'm up. She's crying. 2418 01:43:56.609 --> 01:43:57.270 She's looking for you guys. 2419 01:43:57.329 --> 01:43:58.130 Oh, she's crying. 2420 01:43:58.170 --> 01:44:00.039 She's scared. She's like, she woke up in a room 2421 01:44:00.079 --> 01:44:01.180 and no one was there. She went to bed and 2422 01:44:01.199 --> 01:44:02.979 there were people there. There's a ghost in the house 2423 01:44:03.020 --> 01:44:07.380 moving crank. And so I'm like, oh my God, this 2424 01:44:07.479 --> 01:44:11.600 is badness. Now it's 1.30. And- We lay there for 2425 01:44:11.600 --> 01:44:13.720 45 minutes and it's just too hot in that room now. 2426 01:44:13.779 --> 01:44:15.100 And I said, do you want to go back? And 2427 01:44:15.220 --> 01:44:17.359 all to say, by the time we got in my 2428 01:44:17.399 --> 01:44:19.439 bedroom and we went to sleep, it was like 3 a.m. 2429 01:44:19.939 --> 01:44:24.289 It was madness. It was total chaos from 9 p.m. 2430 01:44:24.710 --> 01:44:27.449 till 3 in the morning. It was crazy. 2431 01:44:27.930 --> 01:44:28.329 Bad. 2432 01:44:28.550 --> 01:44:29.970 Yeah. Barely made it through yesterday. 2433 01:44:30.069 --> 01:44:30.470 But you did. 2434 01:44:30.770 --> 01:44:32.609 And then when it was time to go see the concert, 2435 01:44:32.670 --> 01:44:35.069 I'm like, I should be so excited to see the concert, 2436 01:44:35.109 --> 01:44:37.170 but I would love to go to sleep right now. 2437 01:44:37.260 --> 01:44:37.699 Yeah. 2438 01:44:37.720 --> 01:44:38.319 But I rallied. 2439 01:44:38.960 --> 01:44:39.819 And you're happy about it? 2440 01:44:40.130 --> 01:44:40.810 I'm happy about it. 2441 01:44:41.449 --> 01:44:42.270 Speaking of sleep. 2442 01:44:42.590 --> 01:44:42.770 Yeah. 2443 01:44:43.329 --> 01:44:47.529 I am convinced there's a bug in my ear. 2444 01:44:47.560 --> 01:44:47.640 Okay. 2445 01:44:49.180 --> 01:44:51.409 And I think he got in there in the night. 2446 01:44:52.029 --> 01:44:53.000 Okay. 2447 01:44:53.100 --> 01:44:55.659 And I can't get him out because my ear is 2448 01:44:55.920 --> 01:44:57.239 so itchy. 2449 01:44:57.659 --> 01:44:58.560 Uh-huh. 2450 01:44:58.859 --> 01:45:02.880 And like in a strange, it's in a strange way, 2451 01:45:02.939 --> 01:45:07.539 like very, very, very itchy. I used a Q-tip to 2452 01:45:07.659 --> 01:45:12.239 see if I could get any legs out. And it, 2453 01:45:12.840 --> 01:45:15.270 I think, just pushed him further in or something. 2454 01:45:15.510 --> 01:45:16.020 Okay. 2455 01:45:16.270 --> 01:45:16.510 Okay. 2456 01:45:16.770 --> 01:45:21.130 Also, likely, potentially, when I was like itching it a ton, 2457 01:45:21.149 --> 01:45:24.750 I irritated it. And so now it's just itching because 2458 01:45:24.789 --> 01:45:25.869 it's all irritated. 2459 01:45:25.890 --> 01:45:27.310 Yeah. Sounds highly likely. 2460 01:45:28.270 --> 01:45:32.569 But also, but then, so I was like, Is it possible? 2461 01:45:32.609 --> 01:45:34.729 But I really don't want to go to urgent care. 2462 01:45:34.989 --> 01:45:36.489 I don't want to like go deal with this. I 2463 01:45:36.529 --> 01:45:38.529 just want him to come out, you know? 2464 01:45:38.550 --> 01:45:41.800 Can you put a little food on the... No! Yeah, 2465 01:45:41.810 --> 01:45:44.619 put a little food on the edge of your earlobe 2466 01:45:46.140 --> 01:45:48.060 to draw him out to eat. 2467 01:45:48.180 --> 01:45:49.260 A little piece of cheese. 2468 01:45:49.319 --> 01:45:54.960 Yeah, whatever they eat. Maybe another dead... Maybe a dead gnat. 2469 01:45:55.739 --> 01:45:59.399 Glue it to your earlobe. To lure him out to 2470 01:45:59.479 --> 01:46:01.579 feast on it. And then he'll get stuck in the glue. 2471 01:46:02.819 --> 01:46:03.260 Wow. 2472 01:46:03.859 --> 01:46:07.520 There's six or seven. There's tons of bugs all over here. 2473 01:46:07.810 --> 01:46:09.109 And then you wouldn't know if they just came from 2474 01:46:09.149 --> 01:46:11.729 around the room or out of your ear. I wouldn't. 2475 01:46:11.909 --> 01:46:14.750 You'd probably end up attracting something to live in your ear. 2476 01:46:14.770 --> 01:46:15.229 I know. Ew. 2477 01:46:16.050 --> 01:46:16.449 God. 2478 01:46:17.289 --> 01:46:19.189 And what about light? Does light do anything? Like, could 2479 01:46:19.229 --> 01:46:20.569 you shine a light at

night? 2480 01:46:20.600 --> 01:46:21.960 I know, but I can't. 2481 01:46:22.539 --> 01:46:23.560 I don't think you have. 2482 01:46:25.479 --> 01:46:25.600 Ah! 2483 01:46:26.100 --> 01:46:26.260 Oh. 2484 01:46:26.319 --> 01:46:26.840 Like, nothing's coming. 2485 01:46:28.930 --> 01:46:33.840 Nothing's coming out. But once you think something's in your ear. 2486 01:46:34.079 --> 01:46:35.439 It is really. 2487 01:46:35.640 --> 01:46:36.899 It's a racket. 2488 01:46:37.199 --> 01:46:38.699 It's like crazy making. 2489 01:46:38.859 --> 01:46:39.699 Yeah. 2490 01:46:40.239 --> 01:46:41.260 And I. 2491 01:46:41.279 --> 01:46:43.000 And that's blood over to your elbow? Is that what 2492 01:46:43.020 --> 01:46:43.619 you're about to say? 2493 01:46:43.659 --> 01:46:43.840 Oh, no. 2494 01:46:43.859 --> 01:46:46.460 There's just mosquitoes all over this fucking city, and I'm 2495 01:46:46.619 --> 01:46:49.539 all bit. I hate that. Oh, but you know what 2496 01:46:49.560 --> 01:46:53.260 was fun? So I went... This is not going to... 2497 01:46:53.020 --> 01:46:55.289 I praise Cara. I love Cara. 2498 01:46:55.310 --> 01:46:55.689 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2499 01:46:56.029 --> 01:46:56.329 Cara. 2500 01:46:57.029 --> 01:46:59.250 Does sometimes have mosquitoes. 2501 01:46:59.350 --> 01:47:00.189 Well, it's outdoor. 2502 01:47:00.210 --> 01:47:02.449 Oh, I'm talking about inside. 2503 01:47:02.930 --> 01:47:03.350 Okay. 2504 01:47:08.789 --> 01:47:09.609 I think, I don't remember. 2505 01:47:09.630 --> 01:47:11.529 Is there a water feature in there that they're breathing 2506 01:47:11.590 --> 01:47:11.989 in or something? 2507 01:47:12.029 --> 01:47:14.689 Not inside, but right outside there is a little water. 2508 01:47:14.710 --> 01:47:16.449 Well, there is outdoor eating. So many people, the doors 2509 01:47:16.520 --> 01:47:17.800 are kind of opening and. 2510 01:47:17.520 --> 01:47:20.100 Closing so much. I think doors are opening and closing. 2511 01:47:20.119 --> 01:47:23.720 There is a water feature outside that I wish they'd, 2512 01:47:24.170 --> 01:47:28.560 Fake out. They're doing their best, but for some reason, 2513 01:47:28.569 --> 01:47:31.739 there's a lot of mosquitoes. And last year, this is 2514 01:47:31.779 --> 01:47:34.659 a thing. This isn't just this year. And so last year, 2515 01:47:34.739 --> 01:47:37.810 I used to come with all those bracelets. 2516 01:47:36.909 --> 01:47:39.170 And Oh, yeah. Bug repellent bracelets. 2517 01:47:39.189 --> 01:47:41.229 Yeah, I used to keep them in my car and 2518 01:47:41.250 --> 01:47:42.590 then I would just cover myself in them. 2519 01:47:42.609 --> 01:47:46.609 Well, this is actually an advertisement for a car because 2520 01:47:46.789 --> 01:47:48.380 if you have to deal with mosquitoes and you still 2521 01:47:48.409 --> 01:47:50.319 want to go, it's a testament to what a great 2522 01:47:50.359 --> 01:47:50.800 place it is. 2523 01:47:50.840 --> 01:47:54.079 It really is. But this year I bought a

spray 2524 01:47:54.100 --> 01:47:58.369 because I did research and it said that DEET, the 2525 01:47:59.829 --> 01:48:02.810 chemically popular one that is fine. I'm fine. I want 2526 01:48:02.840 --> 01:48:04.079 to use it. I want to use the most. 2527 01:48:04.100 --> 01:48:04.720 I love DEET, yeah. 2528 01:48:04.859 --> 01:48:05.260 Yeah. 2529 01:48:05.640 --> 01:48:08.279 But I read in an article that it does have 2530 01:48:08.319 --> 01:48:12.020 the same effectiveness as this other thing that's more natural, 2531 01:48:12.060 --> 01:48:14.930 which I don't trust. But it said percentage-wise it's the 2532 01:48:14.970 --> 01:48:15.569 same as DEET. 2533 01:48:15.829 --> 01:48:16.149 Okay. 2534 01:48:16.390 --> 01:48:17.470 So I got that. 2535 01:48:17.710 --> 01:48:17.970 Yeah. 2536 01:48:18.729 --> 01:48:20.710 And I've been bringing that with me. to car and 2537 01:48:20.789 --> 01:48:21.789 spraying it all over. 2538 01:48:21.810 --> 01:48:22.770 Like you're going camping. 2539 01:48:22.829 --> 01:48:23.789 Yeah, it is. 2540 01:48:23.810 --> 01:48:27.149 I was spraying it and it's strong. Like it smells 2541 01:48:27.189 --> 01:48:29.770 really strong. One time I was with Anna and I 2542 01:48:29.810 --> 01:48:31.649 was like, you need this. And I just sprayed it 2543 01:48:31.689 --> 01:48:34.119 at her and she really hated that. 2544 01:48:34.199 --> 01:48:36.800 Maybe she's part mosquito. That's what you found out. 2545 01:48:37.859 --> 01:48:39.720 I never even thought about that. 2546 01:48:39.739 --> 01:48:40.920 Yeah, she might be part mosquito. 2547 01:48:41.500 --> 01:48:43.359 Oh, my God. Okay, this is a good way for 2548 01:48:43.380 --> 01:48:44.279 me to test. 2549 01:48:44.340 --> 01:48:45.479 Yeah, it's like vampires. 2550 01:48:45.699 --> 01:48:46.079 Yeah. 2551 01:48:46.359 --> 01:48:49.000 Put garlic everywhere and see if they react poorly. 2552 01:48:49.140 --> 01:48:50.770 She was more upset because she thought maybe it got 2553 01:48:50.779 --> 01:48:51.359 in her martini. 2554 01:48:51.600 --> 01:48:51.939 What? 2555 01:48:53.010 --> 01:48:54.250 I'm allergic to garlic. 2556 01:48:55.869 --> 01:48:58.010 And you stay up a lot at night. 2557 01:48:58.250 --> 01:48:58.510 I prefer. 2558 01:48:59.489 --> 01:49:00.029 Oh. 2559 01:49:00.189 --> 01:49:00.670 Oh, my God. 2560 01:49:00.689 --> 01:49:02.010 How do you like the taste of blood? 2561 01:49:02.869 --> 01:49:03.210 Fine. 2562 01:49:04.729 --> 01:49:06.590 I don't know. 2563 01:49:06.670 --> 01:49:06.930 Anyway. 2564 01:49:07.289 --> 01:49:07.590 Anyway. 2565 01:49:08.210 --> 01:49:11.029 Um, so yesterday I was at car editing and I 2566 01:49:11.069 --> 01:49:12.649 had my mosquito spray. 2567 01:49:12.670 --> 01:49:16.210 This is hilarious to bring mosquito spray to a restaurant. 2568 01:49:16.250 --> 01:49:17.449 It really is something. 2569 01:49:17.470 --> 01:49:18.590 I sprayed it all over. 2570 01:49:19.390 --> 01:49:21.229 Um, and. What if they had it next

to the 2571 01:49:21.270 --> 01:49:22.909 toothpicks at like the host stand? 2572 01:49:22.979 --> 01:49:23.260 No. 2573 01:49:23.520 --> 01:49:27.680 So they, he, the bartender did come up to me 2574 01:49:27.699 --> 01:49:30.180 before I took my spray out and he said, just 2575 01:49:30.199 --> 01:49:32.380 so you, if you want any of this mosquito spray. 2576 01:49:36.050 --> 01:49:38.430 He said, it can get really... He's like, it's been 2577 01:49:38.449 --> 01:49:41.920 kind of... People have been getting bit, so I bought this. 2578 01:49:43.319 --> 01:49:45.260 And I was like, well, not to worry. I have 2579 01:49:45.319 --> 01:49:51.699 my own. I know. This isn't a great endorsement, but as. 2580 01:49:51.640 --> 01:49:52.010 You said, it is. 2581 01:49:52.020 --> 01:49:53.529 When we went to a restaurant and they said, would 2582 01:49:53.569 --> 01:49:57.090 you like bear spray? Because sometimes bears are in the restaurant. 2583 01:49:57.449 --> 01:49:58.670 They do come in sometimes. 2584 01:49:59.810 --> 01:50:03.310 Listen, okay, this gets a little crazier. So I spray 2585 01:50:03.329 --> 01:50:03.989 it all over. 2586 01:50:04.600 --> 01:50:04.909 And then. 2587 01:50:05.850 --> 01:50:09.470 I look over, someone's come in, and it's still early-ish, 2588 01:50:11.250 --> 01:50:12.819 and it's Leslie Bibb. 2589 01:50:12.920 --> 01:50:13.800 Oh, great. 2590 01:50:13.859 --> 01:50:14.939 Who I've never met. 2591 01:50:15.060 --> 01:50:16.500 Yeah, not a friend of the pod. 2592 01:50:16.699 --> 01:50:18.680 Yet she should be. 2593 01:50:18.899 --> 01:50:21.039 Yes. Her partner is. 2594 01:50:21.180 --> 01:50:24.869 Exactly. So she's sitting next to me, and. 2595 01:50:24.890 --> 01:50:25.729 I never do this. 2596 01:50:26.829 --> 01:50:32.329 Again, not really in keeping with my PMS, PMDD, but 2597 01:50:32.369 --> 01:50:33.649 I was feeling friendly. 2598 01:50:33.670 --> 01:50:34.550 Yeah, frisky. 2599 01:50:35.039 --> 01:50:35.439 Yeah. 2600 01:50:35.659 --> 01:50:39.039 And I was like, hey, I have this mosquito spray 2601 01:50:39.060 --> 01:50:43.050 if you want it. Because there are a ton of them. 2602 01:50:43.069 --> 01:50:51.850 I said, because there are mosquitoes in here. And she 2603 01:50:51.899 --> 01:50:53.939 was like, wait, what? 2604 01:50:53.979 --> 01:50:54.619 Of course. 2605 01:50:54.739 --> 01:50:55.460 Of course. 2606 01:50:56.340 --> 01:50:58.560 She was like, they're a mosquito. And then she was like, 2607 01:50:58.699 --> 01:50:59.779 what's happening in Los Angeles? 2608 01:50:59.800 --> 01:51:02.020 Why can't we have butterflies instead? Like, that would be 2609 01:51:02.039 --> 01:51:02.720 way better. 2610 01:51:02.899 --> 01:51:03.739 I know, I know. 2611 01:51:03.899 --> 01:51:05.100 Replace them with butterflies. 2612 01:51:05.899 --> 01:51:08.420 She was like, what's going on with Los Angeles and mosquitoes? 2613 01:51:08.439 --> 01:51:10.600 And I was like, I know it's horrible, but just, 2614 01:51:10.920 --> 01:51:13.060 you know, if you want it. And so I put 2615 01:51:13.079 --> 01:51:17.239 it there. She sprayed it on herself. And she was like, 2616 01:51:17.279 --> 01:51:20.579 thank you. And I said, I'm Monica. And she said, oh, hi, 2617 01:51:20.640 --> 01:51:21.619 I'm Leslie. And I said, I. 2618 01:51:23.760 --> 01:51:26.859 Do armchair expert. Yeah, I said, I do armchair expert 2619 01:51:27.260 --> 01:51:30.000 with Dax. We interviewed your sweet partner. And she was like, oh, 2620 01:51:30.039 --> 01:51:30.720 my God. 2621 01:51:30.739 --> 01:51:30.810 Yes. 2622 01:51:31.560 --> 01:51:33.840 She was like, I know you. She was like, and 2623 01:51:33.859 --> 01:51:37.449 then she brought up something I specifically said on that episode. 2624 01:51:37.489 --> 01:51:38.210 Which was? 2625 01:51:38.710 --> 01:51:44.270 Which was Sam Rockwell, for people who don't remember, talked 2626 01:51:44.310 --> 01:51:47.140 about how. He went on safari. You guys were talking 2627 01:51:47.159 --> 01:51:48.180 about going on safari. 2628 01:51:48.260 --> 01:51:48.859 Yeah, yeah. 2629 01:51:49.020 --> 01:51:52.720 And he said, you know, like, you were both so 2630 01:51:52.920 --> 01:51:54.640 alert and aware of all the animals. 2631 01:51:54.680 --> 01:51:55.600 Man-eaters everywhere. 2632 01:51:55.720 --> 01:51:57.859 Yeah, you guys were so aware. And he was, like, 2633 01:51:58.159 --> 01:52:02.479 laughing because she was like, Leslie's just sitting there so calm, 2634 01:52:03.239 --> 01:52:05.739 not thinking twice. And I said, yeah, because she lives 2635 01:52:05.810 --> 01:52:09.130 in a world where she's used to predators. You don't. 2636 01:52:10.069 --> 01:52:10.210 And. 2637 01:52:10.869 --> 01:52:12.550 He told her that when he got home. He was like, 2638 01:52:12.569 --> 01:52:15.630 I've been thinking about this. And so she brought that 2639 01:52:15.710 --> 01:52:17.770 up and she thought it was really good. 2640 01:52:17.970 --> 01:52:18.750 Nice. 2641 01:52:18.770 --> 01:52:21.430 So I liked that. And anyway, we started chatting for 2642 01:52:21.489 --> 01:52:24.359 so long. And so I love her and I want 2643 01:52:24.460 --> 01:52:26.100 to invite her on the pod. 2644 01:52:26.180 --> 01:52:28.880 Okay. Did either of you buy each other's meal? No. 2645 01:52:29.000 --> 01:52:29.319 Okay. 2646 01:52:29.500 --> 01:52:31.960 She was about to have a meet, like a meeting. 2647 01:52:32.079 --> 01:52:34.079 A meeting. So we just chat until. 2648 01:52:33.819 --> 01:52:35.899 Her friends came. Did you eavesdrop on the meeting to 2649 01:52:35.939 --> 01:52:37.119 see what project she's about to do? 2650 01:52:37.159 --> 01:52:37.949 I wanted to. 2651 01:52:38.090 --> 01:52:38.689 Yeah, of course. 2652 01:52:38.770 --> 01:52:39.550 I had work to do. 2653 01:52:39.869 --> 01:52:40.109 Okay. 2654 01:52:40.270 --> 01:52:41.569 So my headphones were in. 2655 01:52:41.630 --> 01:52:41.890 Sure. 2656 01:52:43.880 --> 01:52:48.470

Stay tuned for more Armchair Expert, if you dare. 2657 01:52:56.310 --> 01:52:57.890 It was a fun meet cute. 2658 01:52:57.909 --> 01:52:57.989 Yeah. 2659 01:52:59.069 --> 01:53:00.869 All because of mosquitoes, really. 2660 01:53:01.069 --> 01:53:02.989 This makes me think Kristen was just on a flight home. 2661 01:53:03.029 --> 01:53:04.649 I don't think I should out them because I don't 2662 01:53:04.670 --> 01:53:06.109 know if it's public knowledge, but she was on a 2663 01:53:06.220 --> 01:53:10.159 flight home from Paris and she saw a mutual friend. Oh. 2664 01:53:10.500 --> 01:53:11.180 Friend of the pod. 2665 01:53:11.199 --> 01:53:11.859 Oh. 2666 01:53:12.159 --> 01:53:14.779 Who is flying home from White Lotus. 2667 01:53:15.779 --> 01:53:17.079 Max? Yeah. 2668 01:53:17.100 --> 01:53:17.960 Is that public knowledge? 2669 01:53:18.000 --> 01:53:18.260 Yeah. Yeah. 2670 01:53:18.670 --> 01:53:20.369 No, it's public knowledge he's in White Lotus. 2671 01:53:20.489 --> 01:53:22.289 Oh, then Max. I don't know. I don't want to 2672 01:53:22.310 --> 01:53:24.369 hear anything. I got so happy he's going to be 2673 01:53:24.409 --> 01:53:24.770 on the new season. 2674 01:53:24.789 --> 01:53:27.430 Oh, you didn't know? No, I didn't know that. It's 2675 01:53:27.489 --> 01:53:28.090 so exciting. 2676 01:53:28.130 --> 01:53:32.069 Yeah, I don't really follow much casting news, I guess. 2677 01:53:32.329 --> 01:53:32.710 Yeah. 2678 01:53:32.750 --> 01:53:34.470 Can't wait. Love Max. 2679 01:53:35.109 --> 01:53:37.489 I can't wait for the next season, obviously. 2680 01:53:37.600 --> 01:53:38.260 He should come on. 2681 01:53:38.300 --> 01:53:39.840 You know, I'd like to be on White Lotus. 2682 01:53:39.880 --> 01:53:41.279 Me too. Yeah. 2683 01:53:41.380 --> 01:53:42.380 We've said it here. 2684 01:53:42.399 --> 01:53:45.939 You've heard it here. From our lips to Mike White's. 2685 01:53:46.220 --> 01:53:49.680 You could because you're friends with or you know Mike White. 2686 01:53:50.239 --> 01:53:51.079 You've worked with him. 2687 01:53:51.199 --> 01:53:54.159 I have worked with Mike White. I don't think that 2688 01:53:54.199 --> 01:53:56.899 gives me an edge, but I have worked with Mike White. 2689 01:53:56.920 --> 01:53:58.600 I love Mike White. I'll say that. 2690 01:53:58.840 --> 01:53:59.619 I love him. 2691 01:53:59.640 --> 01:54:00.119 Yeah. 2692 01:54:00.140 --> 01:54:01.590 I don't know if he loves me, but I love him. 2693 01:54:02.140 --> 01:54:07.430 I love him. Listen, I'm not jealous of you of anything, 2694 01:54:08.689 --> 01:54:12.010 but I'm jealous of you for that, getting to work 2695 01:54:12.029 --> 01:54:12.289 with him. 2696 01:54:13.029 --> 01:54:14.149 Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 2697 01:54:14.189 --> 01:54:16.989 But it was in an actor-to-actor capacity. It wasn't something 2698 01:54:17.029 --> 01:54:18.409 he had written. That would be different. 2699 01:54:19.020 --> 01:54:19.880 Oh, right. 2700 01:54:20.020 --> 01:54:21.520 Yeah, yeah. It was just two actors. 2701 01:54:21.659 --> 01:54:24.539 Oh, I thought, oh, I must be thinking of something. 2702 01:54:26.300 --> 01:54:27.159 Then I'm not jealous anymore. 2703 01:54:27.220 --> 01:54:27.840 Yeah, there you go. 2704 01:54:30.239 --> 01:54:33.390 Anywho, so speaking of white men. 2705 01:54:34.270 --> 01:54:36.010 Oh, right. White load is white men. 2706 01:54:36.489 --> 01:54:37.289 Max is white. 2707 01:54:37.449 --> 01:54:39.250 He is. Attractive. 2708 01:54:39.680 --> 01:54:41.220 Speaking of attractive white men. 2709 01:54:41.260 --> 01:54:41.920 That's better. 2710 01:54:42.100 --> 01:54:44.500 No, and it is part of this. So I started 2711 01:54:44.539 --> 01:54:45.600 watching Traders. 2712 01:54:46.000 --> 01:54:47.399 Which I don't know about Traders. 2713 01:54:47.600 --> 01:54:51.699 Oh, Dax. Traders is a big deal. Okay. 2714 01:54:51.760 --> 01:54:53.859 I apologize that I don't know. 2715 01:54:53.899 --> 01:54:58.869 Okay. Thank you. It's highly watched reality TV. It won 2716 01:54:58.909 --> 01:54:59.409 the Emmy. 2717 01:54:59.850 --> 01:55:00.399 We watch it. 2718 01:55:00.729 --> 01:55:01.250 You watch it? 2719 01:55:01.369 --> 01:55:02.250 Yeah. 2720 01:55:02.350 --> 01:55:03.149 Okay. Yeah, we love Traders. 2721 01:55:03.600 --> 01:55:04.779 It's so good. 2722 01:55:04.810 --> 01:55:07.210 I feel way less bad that it's a reality show. 2723 01:55:07.590 --> 01:55:08.590 I don't watch a ton of reality. 2724 01:55:08.609 --> 01:55:12.050 I know, but you know Survivor. You don't watch it. 2725 01:55:12.069 --> 01:55:12.689 But I know of it. 2726 01:55:12.689 --> 01:55:14.850 That's true. So you need to just know about Traitors 2727 01:55:14.869 --> 01:55:19.050 because it's, yeah. But anyway, I've never watched it yet. 2728 01:55:19.149 --> 01:55:21.409 I've known people love it and stuff, but it hasn't been. 2729 01:55:21.430 --> 01:55:24.470 I also don't watch reality TV, so I don't think 2730 01:55:24.510 --> 01:55:27.289 it's going to be for me. But then, got to 2731 01:55:27.310 --> 01:55:31.100 be in my bonnet. And I decided to start. And 2732 01:55:31.180 --> 01:55:33.149 so there's a new season out now. So I started 2733 01:55:33.159 --> 01:55:34.439 with this new season. 2734 01:55:34.520 --> 01:55:34.949 Yeah. 2735 01:55:35.149 --> 01:55:37.869 And I caught up to where it's week to week. 2736 01:55:37.890 --> 01:55:42.130 So I caught up. I'm invested. So it's a real 2737 01:55:42.310 --> 01:55:45.170 life werewolves and villagers slash mafia, which I think most 2738 01:55:45.189 --> 01:55:46.869 people have played one of those two games. 2739 01:55:46.909 --> 01:55:47.189 Right. 2740 01:55:47.670 --> 01:55:51.649 And this season is in quotes, normal people, but the 2741 01:55:51.930 --> 01:55:55.670 other seasons are celebrities. But a lot of these celebrities 2742 01:55:55.710 --> 01:55:58.760 are also from the reality TV world. So they're from Survivor, 2743 01:55:58.840

--> 01:56:02.550 Real Housewives or Anyway, it's so fun. So I watched 2744 01:56:02.590 --> 01:56:03.930 this new one and then I went back and I 2745 01:56:03.970 --> 01:56:08.010 watched the last season. I watched the whole thing. And 2746 01:56:08.510 --> 01:56:15.710 I love it. But I was getting so mad because spoiler. Well, yeah, 2747 01:56:16.029 --> 01:56:20.359 there's so much deception and a spoiler. So if anyone 2748 01:56:20.420 --> 01:56:24.279 is going to go back and listen to watch season four, 2749 01:56:24.859 --> 01:56:27.039 skip ahead or pause. 2750 01:56:27.300 --> 01:56:30.109 No, I think you got to skip ahead. Pause again. 2751 01:56:30.130 --> 01:56:31.770 You hate when I say pause? Deliver you right back 2752 01:56:31.789 --> 01:56:32.069 where you. 2753 01:56:32.430 --> 01:56:37.550 The winner is this guy from Love Island, Rob R. Okay? 2754 01:56:37.850 --> 01:56:41.340 So he's a traitor from the beginning. Rob R. is 2755 01:56:41.649 --> 01:56:42.289 so hot. 2756 01:56:43.279 --> 01:56:44.079 Okay. 2757 01:56:44.420 --> 01:56:45.199 He is. 2758 01:56:45.220 --> 01:56:47.340 Insanely hot. 2759 01:56:47.699 --> 01:56:48.000 Yes. 2760 01:56:48.100 --> 01:56:51.449 Yeah. What makes him hot? I want to hear the breakdown. 2761 01:56:51.470 --> 01:56:53.170 Rob, do you want to put up a picture? 2762 01:56:53.250 --> 01:56:54.930 No, I want to hear what you think is hot 2763 01:56:54.949 --> 01:56:55.310 about him. 2764 01:56:55.630 --> 01:56:57.640 Physically, he's just so hot. 2765 01:56:57.800 --> 01:57:01.300 His face is gorgeous. How's his physique? Do you care? 2766 01:57:01.319 --> 01:57:02.819 I think his. 2767 01:57:02.739 --> 01:57:05.640 Physique is good, although... That's. 2768 01:57:05.159 --> 01:57:07.359 Not sticking out as one of the main things. 2769 01:57:07.380 --> 01:57:10.659 But I think he seems to... He seems tall-ish from 2770 01:57:10.699 --> 01:57:13.880 what I can tell. Got great hair. 2771 01:57:14.039 --> 01:57:14.579 Oh, great. 2772 01:57:14.659 --> 01:57:16.380 Just a beautiful face. 2773 01:57:16.779 --> 01:57:17.420 Yeah, it's sweet. 2774 01:57:17.640 --> 01:57:24.039 And he wears kind of fun outfits. Like Ryan Hansen? No, 2775 01:57:24.640 --> 01:57:28.199 like he wore like a sweater vest with nothing under it. 2776 01:57:28.680 --> 01:57:31.020 That's normally a very douchey move. 2777 01:57:31.239 --> 01:57:35.520 I think he could be. He's on Love Island. 2778 01:57:35.550 --> 01:57:40.229 But like no shirt cardigan? I loved it. That's great. 2779 01:57:40.289 --> 01:57:41.729 Well, no, it had, like, hearts on it. Like, it 2780 01:57:41.750 --> 01:57:44.229 was almost like when you wore the sweater that Panay 2781 01:57:44.270 --> 01:57:44.789 gave you. 2782 01:57:44.810 --> 01:57:46.109 Yeah, yeah, but I wasn't sure. 2783 01:57:46.130 --> 01:57:47.510 It's almost, like, feminine. 2784 01:57:47.569 --> 01:57:48.609 Yeah, okay. 2785 01:57:48.810 --> 01:57:50.609 And it's, like, showed confidence. 2786 01:57:50.729 --> 01:57:51.069 Okay. 2787 01:57:51.590 --> 01:57:54.140 Yeah, it's just no shirt underneath. That's, like, generally. 2788 01:57:54.149 --> 01:57:55.029 I know. 2789 01:57:55.060 --> 01:57:56.100 It can be a bit of a trigger. 2790 01:57:56.109 --> 01:57:57.810 I wore a vintage shirt once, and it was kind 2791 01:57:57.859 --> 01:58:02.939 of tight. And so he is a traitor. And at first, 2792 01:58:02.979 --> 01:58:05.140 when I first meet him, I'm like, oh, love Island. Like, 2793 01:58:05.180 --> 01:58:06.050 this guy. And he's set. 2794 01:58:06.449 --> 01:58:07.149 Okay. Yeah. 2795 01:58:07.390 --> 01:58:08.369 There he is. 2796 01:58:08.369 --> 01:58:11.449 Very angular features. Real strong chin. 2797 01:58:11.560 --> 01:58:11.880 Yep. 2798 01:58:12.029 --> 01:58:12.760 Exactly. 2799 01:58:12.770 --> 01:58:14.140 Real defined nose. 2800 01:58:14.180 --> 01:58:15.060 He's classic. 2801 01:58:15.100 --> 01:58:18.340 Not bulbous like mine. He doesn't have like a clown's 2802 01:58:18.819 --> 01:58:20.000 horn on the end of his. 2803 01:58:20.039 --> 01:58:20.739 That's not. 2804 01:58:21.840 --> 01:58:23.939 Delta got to squeeze it in the other day. And 2805 01:58:23.960 --> 01:58:27.579 it was like, she was just got way too, like 2806 01:58:27.619 --> 01:58:30.850 it became one of her fucking stuffies or her. Fidgets, 2807 01:58:30.869 --> 01:58:31.189 you know? 2808 01:58:31.329 --> 01:58:31.649 Yeah. 2809 01:58:31.930 --> 01:58:33.930 And I just remember this trick you would do in 2810 01:58:34.050 --> 01:58:36.439 junior high where you'd ask someone to hold the tip 2811 01:58:36.479 --> 01:58:38.939 of their nose. I forget the premise, but you can 2812 01:58:39.000 --> 01:58:42.439 really easily turn the whole tip of your nose purple. Oh, okay. 2813 01:58:42.600 --> 01:58:44.600 So then I had to tell her, I'm like, hon, 2814 01:58:44.739 --> 01:58:47.739 you can squeeze any part of my face, just not 2815 01:58:47.859 --> 01:58:49.229 the tip of my nose. I'm afraid it's going to 2816 01:58:49.470 --> 01:58:51.880 be a big purple bruise. And she was having a 2817 01:58:51.920 --> 01:58:53.970 hard time resisting. 2818 01:58:54.050 --> 01:58:54.229 Yeah. 2819 01:58:54.239 --> 01:58:56.890 Because it's just a clown's honk, honk, honk, honk. 2820 01:58:56.930 --> 01:58:58.840 No, because you said it specifically. So then for her, 2821 01:58:58.890 --> 01:58:59.989 of course she wants it. 2822 01:59:00.010 --> 01:59:01.829 No, she just found her way to it. 2823 01:59:01.829 --> 01:59:03.949 The tip is the most fun part to squeeze. 2824 01:59:04.210 --> 01:59:08.939 Yeah, mine is definitely meaty, you know. Even me, I 2825 01:59:08.960 --> 01:59:11.739 can get all five fingers. You know, they're not touching 2826 01:59:11.779 --> 01:59:13.560 each other when I hold it. It's the size of 2827 01:59:13.600 --> 01:59:14.140 a racquetball. 2828 01:59:14.619 --> 01:59:15.239 No, it's fine. 2829 01:59:15.260 -->

01:59:15.880 A ping pong ball. 2830 01:59:15.960 --> 01:59:16.479 It's great. 2831 01:59:16.600 --> 01:59:18.960 Okay, yeah, whatever. Yeah, I'm not complaining. Okay. 2832 01:59:18.979 --> 01:59:19.079 Okay. 2833 01:59:19.409 --> 01:59:23.609 So Rob R. is classically attractive. 2834 01:59:23.649 --> 01:59:26.270 Classically trained, yeah. In the art of gorgery. 2835 01:59:26.289 --> 01:59:29.810 Classically trained level of attraction. 2836 01:59:29.909 --> 01:59:31.520 Yeah, yeah. Effortless, it looks like. 2837 01:59:31.529 --> 01:59:34.920 But so for me, normally, that is not my type. 2838 01:59:34.939 --> 01:59:35.460 Mm-hmm. 2839 01:59:35.760 --> 01:59:39.720 Because I do, I'm like, okay, like, douchey, pretty boy. 2840 01:59:40.100 --> 01:59:42.640 There's no way you have a personality. Yeah, and he's 2841 01:59:42.659 --> 01:59:46.199 from Love Island, so I'm definitely like, yeah, fuck boy. Okay, 2842 01:59:46.430 --> 01:59:52.770 but then he's, like, nice to people and, like, kind 2843 01:59:53.189 --> 01:59:55.930 of soft-spoken, and then he makes friends with people that 2844 01:59:55.989 --> 01:59:58.420 I like, but, like, in a real way, like he says, like, 2845 01:59:58.520 --> 02:00:00.300 I don't want to kick this person off. 2846 02:00:00.359 --> 02:00:01.800 Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got a heart of gold. 2847 02:00:02.470 --> 02:00:05.869 Yeah, and he keeps... He's, like, pretending... He's from Alabama, 2848 02:00:05.890 --> 02:00:08.029 and he's, like, kind of playing this, like... I mean, 2849 02:00:08.090 --> 02:00:11.109 this dumb guy, and he's not. 2850 02:00:11.130 --> 02:00:11.649 But I'm a gentleman. 2851 02:00:11.689 --> 02:00:14.310 Because he's also playing chess the whole time, so I'm like, uh-oh. 2852 02:00:14.659 --> 02:00:16.460 And he's a traitor. He's bad, right? 2853 02:00:16.520 --> 02:00:17.000 Yeah, no good. 2854 02:00:17.420 --> 02:00:22.680 And this whole group of people gets so fucking played 2855 02:00:22.779 --> 02:00:23.880 by Rob R. 2856 02:00:24.079 --> 02:00:24.479 Sure. 2857 02:00:24.539 --> 02:00:27.319 And it is shocking to watch. I mean, it's shocking 2858 02:00:27.380 --> 02:00:32.600 in that it's just, like... Charisma. It's just so... Like, 2859 02:00:32.800 --> 02:00:35.600 it's so real that this. 2860 02:00:35.500 --> 02:00:37.600 Hot, tall... Kind. 2861 02:00:38.890 --> 02:00:40.210 Kind in quotes. 2862 02:00:40.289 --> 02:00:40.770 That's right. 2863 02:00:40.789 --> 02:00:42.010 Because he is tricking everyone. 2864 02:00:42.029 --> 02:00:43.289 Yeah, this is always my issue with. 2865 02:00:44.390 --> 02:00:47.449 Well, he's not acting like he's like... Yeah. Although he 2866 02:00:47.489 --> 02:00:50.359 did stick up for his... He stuck up for his 2867 02:00:50.640 --> 02:00:53.779 best friend in the house who's gay. Okay. And it 2868 02:00:53.819 --> 02:00:54.239 was hot. 2869 02:00:54.260 --> 02:00:54.939 So he's an ally. 2870 02:00:54.979 --> 02:00:55.119 Yeah. 2871 02:00:55.199 -->

02:00:56.560 Yeah, yeah. And like. 2872 02:00:58.560 --> 02:01:01.520 So anyway, I'm just, then I'm starting to get furious, right? 2873 02:01:01.560 --> 02:01:02.439 Because then he. 2874 02:01:02.479 --> 02:01:03.359 You felt betrayed. 2875 02:01:03.800 --> 02:01:05.619 Well, even though I knew the whole time he was 2876 02:01:05.680 --> 02:01:06.260 a traitor. 2877 02:01:06.439 --> 02:01:06.760 Oh, you did. 2878 02:01:06.779 --> 02:01:06.960 Okay. 2879 02:01:06.979 --> 02:01:08.619 So it's not a mystery to you. 2880 02:01:08.739 --> 02:01:09.000 Yes. 2881 02:01:09.060 --> 02:01:11.930 That's what's fun about the show. You know, the whole time. 2882 02:01:12.270 --> 02:01:16.369 So you're seeing people like, you know, you're kind of like, no. 2883 02:01:16.390 --> 02:01:20.630 And like very, very smart people. The smartest people in 2884 02:01:20.670 --> 02:01:22.890 the house are like, it could never be Rob. Like 2885 02:01:22.930 --> 02:01:23.729 they're saying it. 2886 02:01:24.210 --> 02:01:26.810 That's happening on Million Dollar Secret, the one show I 2887 02:01:26.850 --> 02:01:29.930 do like, but I would argue none of them are 2888 02:01:30.069 --> 02:01:31.930 very good at like, like as soon as they have 2889 02:01:31.949 --> 02:01:34.270 the million dollars, they crumble. They can be like so 2890 02:01:34.380 --> 02:01:37.359 convincing when they're, but it's like the amount of pressure 2891 02:01:37.460 --> 02:01:39.239 once you have the million is pretty funny. 2892 02:01:40.020 --> 02:01:40.560 Well, yeah. 2893 02:01:40.619 --> 02:01:44.239 And then, so Rob R turns on a fellow trader 2894 02:01:44.340 --> 02:01:49.789 pretty early and I, that I was like, Fuck you. 2895 02:01:49.909 --> 02:01:50.460 That's bad. 2896 02:01:50.470 --> 02:01:52.170 You're having a real ride over there. 2897 02:01:52.189 --> 02:01:54.649 I hated that. And then he did it again to 2898 02:01:54.689 --> 02:01:58.819 the other traitor. And I was like, this guy. 2899 02:01:58.840 --> 02:02:00.079 But you still fuck him, right? 2900 02:02:01.239 --> 02:02:02.020 He has a girlfriend. 2901 02:02:02.300 --> 02:02:02.439 Oh. 2902 02:02:02.659 --> 02:02:03.000 Anyway. 2903 02:02:03.020 --> 02:02:03.619 Is he a single? 2904 02:02:05.300 --> 02:02:05.619 Yes. 2905 02:02:05.680 --> 02:02:06.720 The girl at the end. 2906 02:02:06.600 --> 02:02:06.979 Was him too. 2907 02:02:07.000 --> 02:02:07.520 I know. 2908 02:02:07.680 --> 02:02:08.039 Okay. 2909 02:02:08.060 --> 02:02:11.569 So that's the main betrayal. So he has this buddy 2910 02:02:11.609 --> 02:02:14.649 who's also from Love Island, a different season or whatever. 2911 02:02:14.869 --> 02:02:20.699 So they like bond. And she's this like gorgeous girl. Girl, Mora. 2912 02:02:20.810 --> 02:02:21.189 Mora. 2913 02:02:21.699 --> 02:02:22.170 Okay. 2914 02:02:22.770 --> 02:02:23.630 Mora, I think. 2915 02:02:23.649 --> 02:02:24.649 Do you smell something? 2916 02:02:25.250 --> 02:02:27.050 Because I don't know if

it's Mora or Mora. 2917 02:02:27.069 --> 02:02:28.529 Oh, yeah. That's a hard one. Mora. 2918 02:02:28.850 --> 02:02:31.729 I think it's Mora, yes. She's Irish. 2919 02:02:32.170 --> 02:02:34.579 She's in a full leather catsuit in this photo. 2920 02:02:34.600 --> 02:02:37.680 Yeah, she is great fashion and style, and she's very hot. 2921 02:02:38.199 --> 02:02:43.300 And so they are best buddies in the house, and 2922 02:02:44.590 --> 02:02:47.180 poor girl just getting.... 2923 02:02:48.560 --> 02:02:49.199 She got played. 2924 02:02:49.420 --> 02:02:52.260 And it was so sad because she kept saying, like, 2925 02:02:52.579 --> 02:02:54.520 it's so hard for me to let my guard down. 2926 02:02:54.579 --> 02:02:58.279 I've been cheated on so many times. It's very hard 2927 02:02:58.300 --> 02:03:00.359 for me to trust people. She's saying this throughout, and 2928 02:03:00.399 --> 02:03:05.390 yet she refuses to see Rob as a possible traitor. 2929 02:03:06.470 --> 02:03:09.670 Towards the end of the season, people are like, I 2930 02:03:09.710 --> 02:03:12.470 think it's Rob. People are starting to say it, and 2931 02:03:12.630 --> 02:03:13.329 she's like. 2932 02:03:13.510 --> 02:03:14.770 She's going down with the ship. Yeah. 2933 02:03:16.069 --> 02:03:19.479 It can't be. And he makes her a pinky promise, something. 2934 02:03:19.500 --> 02:03:20.460 Oh, no, not a pinky promise. 2935 02:03:20.500 --> 02:03:22.420 And he betrays her. 2936 02:03:22.439 --> 02:03:24.300 Well, he had to to win the game. The point 2937 02:03:24.380 --> 02:03:25.300 is to win the game. 2938 02:03:25.420 --> 02:03:26.300 Dax. 2939 02:03:26.319 --> 02:03:30.279 Right? Isn't that the point? You say so. I haven't 2940 02:03:30.310 --> 02:03:31.970 seen it, but I'd imagine the point is to win 2941 02:03:31.989 --> 02:03:32.310 the game. 2942 02:03:32.329 --> 02:03:33.430 I hated it. 2943 02:03:34.010 --> 02:03:35.670 Don't enter a game like that if you're not. I 2944 02:03:35.689 --> 02:03:36.130 hated it. 2945 02:03:36.210 --> 02:03:36.590 Okay. Wow. 2946 02:03:36.609 --> 02:03:37.390 I hated it. 2947 02:03:37.390 --> 02:03:41.189 Do you still like him or no? No. No. Oh, 2948 02:03:41.250 --> 02:03:41.640 you're mad at her. 2949 02:03:41.649 --> 02:03:43.729 Well, I just don't know what to think anymore. 2950 02:03:44.229 --> 02:03:45.810 You don't trust him, but you kind of love him. 2951 02:03:46.090 --> 02:03:47.979 I hated what he did to Maura. 2952 02:03:48.180 --> 02:03:48.399 Okay. 2953 02:03:48.420 --> 02:03:51.180 And she was so fragile. And then I felt so 2954 02:03:51.260 --> 02:03:52.899 bad because I was like, she has to watch this 2955 02:03:53.000 --> 02:03:54.600 and watch herself. 2956 02:03:54.859 --> 02:03:58.739 These shows probably have a little more PTSD than people 2957 02:03:58.779 --> 02:03:59.390 might guess. 2958 02:03:59.590 --> 02:04:02.069 I think so. I think so. Anyway, it's a great show. 2959 02:04:02.170 --> 02:04:03.949 Okay. I'll check

it out. But it sounds like the 2960 02:04:03.989 --> 02:04:04.579 kids would like it. 2961 02:04:05.109 --> 02:04:06.130 Yeah. Yeah. 2962 02:04:06.170 --> 02:04:06.829 Calvin loves it. 2963 02:04:07.029 --> 02:04:07.470 Okay, great. 2964 02:04:08.130 --> 02:04:08.890 Okay, some facts. 2965 02:04:08.909 --> 02:04:09.529 Some facts. 2966 02:04:09.930 --> 02:04:13.180 I think my favorite guest we've ever had on. I've 2967 02:04:13.220 --> 02:04:14.640 talked about it to everyone. 2968 02:04:14.960 --> 02:04:18.460 He is, dude, I did, back to the Jack Black thing. 2969 02:04:18.760 --> 02:04:22.279 I made him listen to 20 minutes about Guillermo del 2970 02:04:22.300 --> 02:04:23.770 Toro yesterday at the concert. 2971 02:04:24.090 --> 02:04:24.939 Like you told him about him. 2972 02:04:24.949 --> 02:04:26.729 I was like, oh my God, I interviewed Guillermo del Toro. 2973 02:04:26.810 --> 02:04:29.439 And I just couldn't stop telling him fascinating things about him. 2974 02:04:29.670 --> 02:04:32.069 He has seen his notebooks. 2975 02:04:32.750 --> 02:04:33.500 Oh, he has? 2976 02:04:33.510 --> 02:04:33.579 Yes. 2977 02:04:33.609 --> 02:04:33.930 Yes. 2978 02:04:34.529 --> 02:04:35.229 I could not. 2979 02:04:35.250 --> 02:04:36.909 He has the same feeling we do. He's like, each 2980 02:04:36.970 --> 02:04:41.640 page needs to be taken out surgically and framed and protected. 2981 02:04:41.680 --> 02:04:42.729 Put in the Smithsonian. 2982 02:04:42.800 --> 02:04:43.810 Yes, yes. 2983 02:04:44.140 --> 02:04:47.720 I could not believe we got to see those. 2984 02:04:47.920 --> 02:04:48.500 And hold it. 2985 02:04:48.539 --> 02:04:51.399 And hold it. Like, hold his heart. 2986 02:04:51.800 --> 02:04:52.380 Yeah. 2987 02:04:52.399 --> 02:04:53.359 That's what it felt like. 2988 02:04:53.380 --> 02:04:54.239 His brain and his heart. 2989 02:04:54.260 --> 02:04:57.600 And his brain and his heart, which are one thing. Like, 2990 02:04:57.680 --> 02:04:58.739 he's so pure. 2991 02:04:58.760 --> 02:04:58.840 Yeah. 2992 02:04:59.899 --> 02:05:01.840 And we put it on the table and your feet 2993 02:05:01.880 --> 02:05:04.300 were up like this and I got real panicky. 2994 02:05:04.699 --> 02:05:07.399 I did too. I moved it very quickly. I saw 2995 02:05:07.439 --> 02:05:08.159 it was too close. 2996 02:05:08.380 --> 02:05:10.939 For a second, I was like, really feeling some panic. 2997 02:05:10.979 --> 02:05:14.609 Don't be cocky, Dax. Don't overestimate your athletic prowess here. 2998 02:05:14.750 --> 02:05:15.210 Yeah. 2999 02:05:15.369 --> 02:05:19.630 It was just such a beautiful episode. He gave us 3000 02:05:19.750 --> 02:05:21.310 so many nuggets of wisdom. 3001 02:05:21.329 --> 02:05:25.140 Oh, it was incredible. It was incredible. He's a philosopher. 3002 02:05:25.159 --> 02:05:29.649 He's an artist. He's a painter. He's a writer. One 3003 02:05:29.659 --> 02:05:30.930 of the best directors that ever lived. 3004 02:05:30.939 --> 02:05:31.619 I know. 3005 02:05:32.310 --> 02:05:35.229 I can't think of anyone that's ever been better than 3006 02:05:35.270 --> 02:05:38.109 him visually. I mean, Tim Burton is, you know, he's 3007 02:05:38.510 --> 02:05:41.550 in that same space. Of course. But, like, the visuals 3008 02:05:41.630 --> 02:05:43.470 of fucking Frankenstein are impossible. 3009 02:05:43.510 --> 02:05:47.189 The world building. Because it's also, like, the visuals are unbelievable, 3010 02:05:47.229 --> 02:05:52.210 but his stories are also so beautiful and moving and deep. 3011 02:05:52.270 --> 02:05:54.010 I cannot wait to see it in 3D. 3012 02:05:54.470 --> 02:05:54.869 I know. 3013 02:05:54.989 --> 02:05:55.350 Same. 3014 02:05:55.409 --> 02:05:56.229 Yeah. Same. 3015 02:05:56.550 --> 02:06:00.289 Okay. So that was just... Very special. I don't think 3016 02:06:00.369 --> 02:06:04.170 I've felt like that after we left an interview in 3017 02:06:04.210 --> 02:06:07.869 a very long, maybe Kihi Kwan was maybe the last one. 3018 02:06:07.890 --> 02:06:13.409 Yeah. The way I said it is Bill Gates' holistic 3019 02:06:13.489 --> 02:06:16.449 understanding of everything on planet Earth is something that I've 3020 02:06:16.489 --> 02:06:19.979 never observed in anyone else. Like it's just the totality 3021 02:06:20.000 --> 02:06:23.819 of his knowledge is so impossible. It's like really hard 3022 02:06:23.840 --> 02:06:24.539 to comprehend. 3023 02:06:24.600 --> 02:06:25.300 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 3024 02:06:26.220 --> 02:06:28.640 And I feel this exact same way about Guillermo. 3025 02:06:28.659 --> 02:06:28.960 Me too. 3026 02:06:29.079 --> 02:06:32.119 And it's not specifically Bill's thing. 3027 02:06:32.140 --> 02:06:33.180 It's not knowledge. 3028 02:06:33.380 --> 02:06:33.720 It's like. 3029 02:06:33.739 --> 02:06:35.220 Well, it's also knowledge. 3030 02:06:35.260 --> 02:06:35.899 That's true. 3031 02:06:35.920 --> 02:06:38.739 The amount he knows about art and fucking writing. 3032 02:06:38.760 --> 02:06:41.699 But that's not what's shining through. What's shining through is 3033 02:06:41.899 --> 02:06:44.340 a holistic view of the universe. 3034 02:06:44.600 --> 02:06:45.270 Humanity. 3035 02:06:45.310 --> 02:06:45.899 Humanity. 3036 02:06:46.010 --> 02:06:46.279 Yeah. 3037 02:06:46.390 --> 02:06:51.029 Yes. Yes. A deep, deep. intrinsic understanding of humanity yeah 3038 02:06:51.130 --> 02:06:55.289 yeah he's he's outrageously special yeah i too we i 3039 02:06:55.329 --> 02:06:57.210 think we text each other afterwards which we haven't done 3040 02:06:57.229 --> 02:06:59.050 in a while just like whoa that was a that 3041 02:06:59.090 --> 02:07:00.489 was mind-blowing. 3042 02:07:00.050 --> 02:07:04.239 Yeah so lucky so lucky we didn't sit on this 3043 02:07:04.279 --> 02:07:06.279 for too long which is fine but when he said 3044 02:07:06.340 --> 02:07:08.420 that when he had that experience when he was a 3045 02:07:08.500 --> 02:07:11.539 kid and he saw monsters and he He needs to

3046 02:07:11.560 --> 02:07:14.000 go to the bathroom. And he told them, if you 3047 02:07:14.439 --> 02:07:16.800 let me go to the bathroom, I'll be your friends forever. 3048 02:07:16.819 --> 02:07:16.899 Yeah. 3049 02:07:18.279 --> 02:07:19.359 And he is. 3050 02:07:19.430 --> 02:07:20.229 He is. He is. 3051 02:07:20.279 --> 02:07:22.010 He is a friend of the monsters. 3052 02:07:22.029 --> 02:07:25.649 He literally is. It's so moving. 3053 02:07:26.029 --> 02:07:26.430 It is. 3054 02:07:26.510 --> 02:07:27.569 I can't really handle it. 3055 02:07:27.569 --> 02:07:29.390 You just picture him as a little boy and you're like, 3056 02:07:29.729 --> 02:07:32.630 it must have been hard to have that enormous brain. 3057 02:07:32.750 --> 02:07:33.090 I know. 3058 02:07:33.130 --> 02:07:34.810 Well, he said so. Yeah. 3059 02:07:34.869 --> 02:07:35.590 Essentially. 3060 02:07:35.710 --> 02:07:35.930 Yeah. 3061 02:07:36.649 --> 02:07:38.789 Reading in the encyclopedias. 3062 02:07:39.029 --> 02:07:40.949 Yes. In his father's library. 3063 02:07:41.350 --> 02:07:41.890 Yeah. 3064 02:07:42.750 --> 02:07:46.920 Okay. You said that Warren Buffett drove an old Cherokee? 3065 02:07:46.939 --> 02:07:49.619 Yeah, Jeep Cherokee with wood grain on the side. 3066 02:07:49.800 --> 02:07:53.119 I don't know why my Google doesn't know about that. 3067 02:07:53.140 --> 02:07:53.220 Okay. 3068 02:07:54.100 --> 02:07:56.729 It should. there's a your google should know that there's 3069 02:07:56.810 --> 02:08:00.520 a uh a profile of him on 60 minutes in 3070 02:08:00.539 --> 02:08:03.659 the 90s and there's many shots of him driving that 3071 02:08:03.939 --> 02:08:05.159 old clunker. 3072 02:08:05.380 --> 02:08:13.350 Okay yeah because this is saying cadillac xts cadillac dts. 3073 02:08:13.020 --> 02:08:16.390 He may in the mid-2020s or mid, I don't know 3074 02:08:16.430 --> 02:08:20.109 how you say that, the 2010s, he might have, that 3075 02:08:20.149 --> 02:08:23.449 Cherokee might have died, but he still lives in the 3076 02:08:23.510 --> 02:08:26.880 same like 3,000 square foot brick ranch. 3077 02:08:27.020 --> 02:08:28.199 Yes, that is well documented. 3078 02:08:28.220 --> 02:08:31.100 And he was driving a very old Cherokee in that segment. 3079 02:08:31.359 --> 02:08:31.760 All right. 3080 02:08:32.060 --> 02:08:33.539 Well, I don't know what to say. 3081 02:08:33.560 --> 02:08:35.140 I never forget a car. 3082 02:08:35.539 --> 02:08:36.000 That's true. 3083 02:08:36.180 --> 02:08:36.399 Yeah. 3084 02:08:36.619 --> 02:08:37.920 That is true. That's one of your gifts. 3085 02:08:38.079 --> 02:08:39.729 It's like Molly and the outfits. 3086 02:08:40.590 --> 02:08:41.949 Molly McNerney and the outfits. 3087 02:08:41.970 --> 02:08:42.350 That's right. 3088 02:08:42.649 --> 02:08:46.869 Okay, I looked up, what are the most family-oriented cultures? 3089 02:08:48.229 --> 02:08:53.930 Cultures that are deeply family-oriented typically prioritize collective well-being, multi-generational living, 3090 02:08:54.310 --> 02:09:00.029 and lifelong financial or social interdependence over individual autonomy. Regions 3091 02:09:00.069 --> 02:09:04.539 and countries noted for strong family ties, South and Southeast Asia. 3092 02:09:04.560 --> 02:09:09.340 I can say that's true. Latin America. 3093 02:09:09.359 --> 02:09:10.039 Mm-hmm. 3094 02:09:10.810 --> 02:09:16.350 It's a Southern Europe, Italy, Spain, and the Middle East 3095 02:09:16.409 --> 02:09:17.439 and North Africa. 3096 02:09:17.720 --> 02:09:22.560 So really everyone but Northern white Europeans. 3097 02:09:22.819 --> 02:09:26.060 No, it doesn't have China. Like it doesn't have. 3098 02:09:26.079 --> 02:09:27.140 What's that Asia and Southeast? 3099 02:09:27.159 --> 02:09:31.039 No, South and Southeast Asia. India, the Philippines, Indonesia. 3100 02:09:31.180 --> 02:09:32.739 Okay. Oh, okay. Okay. 3101 02:09:34.279 --> 02:09:34.939 So yeah. 3102 02:09:35.460 --> 02:09:35.960 Oh, okay. Interesting. 3103 02:09:36.020 --> 02:09:36.600 Interesting. 3104 02:09:37.029 --> 02:09:41.010 Oh, I was looking up longest standing ovations at film festivals. 3105 02:09:41.029 --> 02:09:42.090 Uh-huh. 3106 02:09:42.369 --> 02:09:45.409 Longest recorded standing ovation at a major film festival belongs 3107 02:09:45.510 --> 02:09:50.880 to Naza, which directed by Yuval Abraham and Rachel Zohr, 3108 02:09:50.939 --> 02:09:54.479 which received a 25-minute ovation this year at the Venice 3109 02:09:54.500 --> 02:09:55.359 Film Festival. 3110 02:09:55.380 --> 02:09:56.479 Okay, 25. And he was 22, right? 3111 02:09:56.500 --> 02:09:57.140 Yeah. 3112 02:09:58.930 --> 02:10:03.189 Historically, Cannes held the longest standing benchmarks for the endurance clapping. 3113 02:10:03.210 --> 02:10:05.460 Endurance clapping is what they call it. 3114 02:10:05.449 --> 02:10:06.109 No kidding. 3115 02:10:06.140 --> 02:10:08.260 Your fucking hands must kill after 15 minutes of clapping. 3116 02:10:08.659 --> 02:10:12.500 That's really funny. Led for two decades by Guillermo del 3117 02:10:12.539 --> 02:10:17.859 Toro's Pan's Labyrinth. 22 minutes. Third is Fahrenheit 9-11, Michael Moore. 3118 02:10:17.880 --> 02:10:19.659 Okay. At Cannes, 20 minutes, 2004. 3119 02:10:19.659 --> 02:10:20.340 Sentimental value. 3120 02:10:23.670 --> 02:10:26.409 Oh, we love that movie. 3121 02:10:26.930 --> 02:10:29.050 Love that movie. Can 2025, 19 minutes. 3122 02:10:30.850 --> 02:10:32.670 How do people know when to stop? 3123 02:10:33.090 --> 02:10:35.479 I don't know. They don't. 3124 02:10:35.680 --> 02:10:38.340 Clearly they don't. Like if you've gone 19, how aren't 3125 02:10:38.460 --> 02:10:39.520 we going three hours? 3126 02:10:39.539 --> 02:10:41.920 Do you think people are timing so they do know, like, 3127 02:10:41.979 --> 02:10:43.699 I want to give this one the most? 3128 02:10:44.560 --> 02:10:46.220 Or like almost the most? 3129 02:10:46.340 --> 02:10:48.380 Do you think

there might be a timer? 3130 02:10:49.239 --> 02:10:52.090 I can't imagine there is. I mean, someone's timing it 3131 02:10:52.109 --> 02:10:52.329 for sure. 3132 02:10:52.350 --> 02:10:53.270 Someone's timing it, yeah. 3133 02:10:53.289 --> 02:10:56.470 But I don't think there's a big clock on display, no. 3134 02:10:56.930 --> 02:10:59.909 Okay, well, I find this interesting. Unfortunately... What. 3135 02:11:00.069 --> 02:11:03.329 If it was like an analog dial, like a watch face, 3136 02:11:03.569 --> 02:11:08.430 and then it had along the way different movies as the... Oh, that's... Yeah. 3137 02:11:08.590 --> 02:11:10.329 Like the pressure's rising. 3138 02:11:10.350 --> 02:11:12.250 And then maybe they're like, I don't want it to 3139 02:11:12.289 --> 02:11:13.609 be longer than Pan's Labyrinth. 3140 02:11:13.630 --> 02:11:14.170 That's right. 3141 02:11:14.250 --> 02:11:14.810 Yeah. 3142 02:11:14.829 --> 02:11:17.310 And then right before it, someone goes, you know, Finney, 3143 02:11:17.329 --> 02:11:21.750 or whatever they say. Finney, Finney. Finite. 3144 02:11:21.770 --> 02:11:23.350 I think it's just Fin. Fin. 3145 02:11:23.609 --> 02:11:24.289 Fin. Finay. 3146 02:11:25.909 --> 02:11:27.060 I think it's just F-I-N. 3147 02:11:27.180 --> 02:11:27.399 Okay. 3148 02:11:27.739 --> 02:11:27.939 Fin. 3149 02:11:28.079 --> 02:11:33.439 I think. Okay. I, you know, I went to Cannes, 3150 02:11:34.479 --> 02:11:37.100 not obviously, I think just because I've talked about it 3151 02:11:37.119 --> 02:11:38.939 a lot. I went to Cannes Study Abroad 2008. 3152 02:11:38.939 --> 02:11:40.670 Yes, you and Callie. Nope. 3153 02:11:41.130 --> 02:11:41.789 Me and Anthony. 3154 02:11:41.810 --> 02:11:43.470 No, you and Callie were in London at a premiere. 3155 02:11:43.489 --> 02:11:46.510 Yeah, we went to the breakup. We didn't go to 3156 02:11:46.550 --> 02:11:46.949 the premiere. 3157 02:11:46.989 --> 02:11:47.510 We stood outside. 3158 02:11:47.529 --> 02:11:50.430 But you stood outside, yeah, yeah. But no, I went 3159 02:11:50.449 --> 02:11:55.289 to Cannes. for study abroad. And that was in 2008. And, 3160 02:11:55.470 --> 02:11:57.109 you know, we had to beg for tickets to get inside. 3161 02:11:57.149 --> 02:11:59.020 It was super fun. So I was looking to see 3162 02:11:59.069 --> 02:12:03.159 if any of the ones I went to got up there, but. 3163 02:12:03.920 --> 02:12:05.539 Were you a part of any standing ovations? 3164 02:12:05.680 --> 02:12:06.000 Yeah. 3165 02:12:06.039 --> 02:12:08.500 There's almost always a standing ovation. 3166 02:12:08.520 --> 02:12:11.840 Man, I couldn't go. I couldn't go. This is my 3167 02:12:11.880 --> 02:12:15.479 issue with concerts and encores, like any kind of whatever. 3168 02:12:15.840 --> 02:12:17.239 I love encores. 3169 02:12:17.680 --> 02:12:18.640 Joy. 3170 02:12:18.739 --> 02:12:20.000 I hate encores. 3171 02:12:20.520 --> 02:12:21.020 Okay. 3172 02:12:21.199 --> 02:12:22.140 It's pageantry. 3173 02:12:22.460 --> 02:12:23.640 It's fine. 3174 02:12:23.720 --> 02:12:23.979 Okay. 3175 02:12:24.479 --> 02:12:24.920 Okay. 3176 02:12:24.960 --> 02:12:28.890 I mean, Guillermo deserves it, but the notion that this band, 3177 02:12:28.930 --> 02:12:30.409 you know, they're going to play two more songs, but 3178 02:12:30.430 --> 02:12:31.750 you have to beg them to come out to play 3179 02:12:31.770 --> 02:12:34.289 the two more songs is like, just play the two, 3180 02:12:34.369 --> 02:12:36.630 just play all the songs. Okay. 3181 02:12:36.850 --> 02:12:37.210 Okay. 3182 02:12:37.680 --> 02:12:43.180 Now, unfortunately, I wasn't part of any of these tops, 3183 02:12:43.840 --> 02:12:44.920 which is upsetting. 3184 02:12:44.939 --> 02:12:46.119 Yeah. 3185 02:12:46.600 --> 02:12:47.850 But I'm just double checking. 3186 02:12:47.869 --> 02:12:48.470 Okay. 3187 02:12:48.949 --> 02:12:49.729 Real quick. 3188 02:12:50.069 --> 02:12:51.630 Dotting your I's and crossing your T's. 3189 02:12:52.090 --> 02:12:55.430 That was, I saw Matt Damon. He was there for, 3190 02:12:55.449 --> 02:13:01.550 I think, Chey? Was he in Che? 3191 02:13:01.630 --> 02:13:02.149 Yeah, he was. 3192 02:13:02.430 --> 02:13:03.130 He was, right? 3193 02:13:03.149 --> 02:13:03.970 Yeah, it was small. 3194 02:13:03.989 --> 02:13:04.729 He played Che. 3195 02:13:04.970 --> 02:13:05.329 Nope. 3196 02:13:06.470 --> 02:13:09.449 And I, so that was so exciting because I got 3197 02:13:09.489 --> 02:13:12.689 in that one. So I was just sitting amongst him, 3198 02:13:12.850 --> 02:13:13.329 high up. 3199 02:13:13.689 --> 02:13:15.140 Yeah. That was a long movie. 3200 02:13:15.149 --> 02:13:16.270 It was like five hours. 3201 02:13:17.140 --> 02:13:19.720 I saw so many movies, obviously, over the course of that. 3202 02:13:19.739 --> 02:13:20.859 How many hours was Che? 3203 02:13:21.100 --> 02:13:23.119 It was a two-parter, so I think it was like five. 3204 02:13:23.420 --> 02:13:24.840 I probably only saw one part. 3205 02:13:25.300 --> 02:13:27.600 And Benicio Del Toro plays Che, is that? 3206 02:13:28.100 --> 02:13:32.569 Mm-hmm. All of those movies really blur. Like, I don't 3207 02:13:32.630 --> 02:13:35.590 remember anything because I was just seeing, like, three movies 3208 02:13:35.649 --> 02:13:36.210 a day. 3209 02:13:36.329 --> 02:13:37.229 Yeah, it's too many. 3210 02:13:37.350 --> 02:13:41.229 It was a lot. Okay, well, I didn't get to 3211 02:13:41.289 --> 02:13:44.159 experience a 20-minute one. 3212 02:13:44.460 --> 02:13:46.239 Better that you got to sit in a room with 3213 02:13:46.260 --> 02:13:47.340 Guillermo for two hours. 3214 02:13:47.659 --> 02:13:48.380 Much better. 3215 02:13:48.420 --> 02:13:49.520 Than 22 minutes of clapping. 3216 02:13:49.760 --> 02:13:50.140 I agree. 3217 02:13:50.340 --> 02:13:50.579 Yeah. 3218 02:13:50.659 --> 02:13:54.939 I agree. Oh, when he talked about how the people 3219 02:13:55.140 --> 02:13:57.819 stole his puppets and then put poop everywhere. 3220 02:13:57.850 --> 02:13:57.930 Yeah. 3221 02:13:59.090 --> 02:14:01.949 And then you said, oh, they went ape. Now I 3222 02:14:02.029 --> 02:14:05.810 understand ape shit. Growing shit everywhere. 3223 02:14:05.829 --> 02:14:06.390 Yeah, going. 3224 02:14:06.550 --> 02:14:07.210 Tonka. 3225 02:14:07.329 --> 02:14:08.390 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 3226 02:14:08.569 --> 02:14:09.949 I've never thought about that before. 3227 02:14:09.970 --> 02:14:10.949 Oh, you haven't. Okay. 3228 02:14:11.090 --> 02:14:11.710 You knew that? 3229 02:14:11.989 --> 02:14:12.810 Yeah. 3230 02:14:16.439 --> 02:14:16.699 Oh. 3231 02:14:17.420 --> 02:14:20.340 My favorite is when they chuck it at viewers of the, 3232 02:14:21.199 --> 02:14:21.739 at the zoo. 3233 02:14:22.060 --> 02:14:22.300 Yeah. 3234 02:14:22.340 --> 02:14:24.819 Because a lot of people don't know about chimp behavior. 3235 02:14:25.100 --> 02:14:27.279 And when you're at the chimps of the Mahali here 3236 02:14:27.300 --> 02:14:27.739 at the L.A. 3237 02:14:27.779 --> 02:14:27.899 Zoo. 3238 02:14:28.479 --> 02:14:30.810 You'll see one shit in his hand. And I know 3239 02:14:31.310 --> 02:14:33.810 time to get behind something. But other people don't. 3240 02:14:34.130 --> 02:14:35.010 Oh, my God. Yeah, yeah. 3241 02:14:35.390 --> 02:14:38.449 I mean, I don't mind that because I'm like, this 3242 02:14:38.510 --> 02:14:39.670 is what you get, kind of. 3243 02:14:39.930 --> 02:14:40.170 Oh, yeah. 3244 02:14:40.189 --> 02:14:41.890 I don't mind that they do it. They should. 3245 02:14:41.909 --> 02:14:42.329 Yeah. 3246 02:14:42.369 --> 02:14:42.829 If I was. 3247 02:14:43.649 --> 02:14:45.689 A chimp in a zoo, you'd do it. 3248 02:14:45.710 --> 02:14:48.420 If I was incarcerated at a zoo, I would throw 3249 02:14:48.439 --> 02:14:49.369 my shit every chance I got. 3250 02:14:49.399 --> 02:14:50.039 Exactly. 3251 02:14:50.060 --> 02:14:54.659 I agree. All right. That is all. 3252 02:14:54.779 --> 02:14:55.060 Okay. 3253 02:14:55.140 --> 02:14:55.960 Wonderful. 3254 02:14:56.060 --> 02:14:56.420 That is all. 3255 02:14:56.439 --> 02:14:57.119 What a blessing. 3256 02:14:57.520 --> 02:14:59.149 I agree. Couldn't agree more. 3257 02:14:59.170 --> 02:15:00.289 All right. Love you. 3258 02:15:00.329 --> 02:15:00.569 Love you.