Full Transcript for EP67 - VINYL TOY CUSTOMISER - David Bishop RUN DMB

Studios in Essex, Chelpson, Essex, the best place in the world, best town. 00:01:39.920 --> 00:01:46.640 Well, no, not best town, top one of the top three cities in Essex, the best county in the world. 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:51.280 And um, and we've got another amazing guest here whose name is David Bishop. 00:01:51.439 --> 00:01:52.239 David Bishop. 00:01:52.719 --> 00:01:53.840 And are you from Essex? 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:54.719 I am from Essex. 00:01:54.879 --> 00:01:56.319 Good, because otherwise I have to chuck you out. 00:01:56.480 --> 00:01:56.959 No, I know. 00:01:57.680 --> 00:01:59.359 Are you born and bred Essex? 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:00.239 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:02.239 I was uh I I grew up in Billaricky. 00:02:02.319 --> 00:02:03.280 I was born in Basledon. 00:02:03.519 --> 00:02:04.400 Yes, wow. 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:06.799 Grew up in Billy, Billaricky Bishop. 00:02:06.959 --> 00:02:07.519 Yeah, yeah. 00:02:07.599 --> 00:02:11.520 And then when I was about I came to school in Chumced, funnily enough. 00:02:11.599 --> 00:02:17.599 Um when I was a senior school, and then uh I moved here when I was about I don't know, 25, 26. 00:02:18.000 --> 00:02:21.520 Amazing, and you've lived here ever since just another another year or so since then. 00:02:21.680 --> 00:02:22.879 Yeah, yeah, I live down the road. 00:02:23.039 --> 00:02:25.120 Yeah, amazing! Yeah, that's brilliant. 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:26.479 And are you creative? 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:27.840 Sort of, yeah. 00:02:28.159 --> 00:02:29.039 Yeah, I am. 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:33.680 I I was on your Instagram earlier on and it says you're you're a part-time. 00:02:33.919 --> 00:02:34.400 Part-time. 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:34.960 Part-time. 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:35.199 Yeah. 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:36.400 So part-time yes. 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:38.000 Yes, part-time yes. 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:42.960 Sagate, we've never had a um part-time creative yes before. 00:02:44.560 --> 00:02:48.879 Theoretically, I should be creative all the time because my job's supposed to be creative as well, but yeah. 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:51.599 I don't think of work as kind of the same thing. 00:02:51.919 --> 00:02:58.080 Work's the money thing, and what you're here to talk about is what what what you would do if you could just have a fantasy thing where you could do whatever you wanted. 00:02:58.319 --> 00:02:59.120 Yes, exactly that. 00:02:59.199 --> 00:02:59.360 Yeah. 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:05.599 Oh, so look, hey, look, what we do now, like Sangeita is now going to guess what you do, and she'll never she'll never be able to guess it. 00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:06.240 No, no. 00:03:06.400 --> 00:03:09.759 Because I think she's not even aware of what you do as a thing. 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:11.039 Yes, right, okay, yes. 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:12.240 It wouldn't surprise me. 00:03:13.039 --> 00:03:14.719 Okay, so this is a tough one. 00:03:15.120 --> 00:03:18.719 So Sangeita, Sangita,

use your words, describe him. 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:23.520 Okay, so he looks like a very intelligent gentleman. 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:29.759 Um, somebody I would say who has a lot of knowledge, and if I were to guess, I would say museum somewhere. 00:03:29.919 --> 00:03:33.520 However, I've got a feeling it's Highlands because I heard that pop up. 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:35.759 He has got a studio at Highlands, yeah, in the state of the world. 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:38.800 I was gonna say something to do with next to Nestle Guinea Pig. 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:43.520 Um, okay, well, I don't know, but something to do with talking. 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:47.439 I don't know if it's recording what happens in Highlands or No. 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:47.840 No? 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:48.639 All right, Tony. 00:03:48.960 --> 00:03:49.759 What do you think? 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:51.439 David Bishop, what do you do? 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:55.280 I sort of draw on toys. 00:03:55.919 --> 00:03:56.560 Whoa. 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:59.599 So you would say it's a very important thing. 00:04:00.560 --> 00:04:01.759 Is it you customise toys? 00:04:02.080 --> 00:04:05.919 I customise toys, but not sort of like you know, any old toy. 00:04:06.000 --> 00:04:11.680 They're kind of it's a sort of very niche scene called sort of design of vinyl, design of toys. 00:04:11.759 --> 00:04:16.000 They used to be called adult toys until that took on a sort of unfortunate, yeah. 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:18.720 Yeah, hey listeners, don't go googling that one. 00:04:19.519 --> 00:04:21.680 David David does not draw on dildos. 00:04:21.759 --> 00:04:22.240 Yeah, yeah. 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:29.519 But yeah, that's so yeah, we try to avoid that. 00:04:29.680 --> 00:04:32.720 But you know, they've there are so many names for it. 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:33.839 We won't do anything about it. 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:37.600 So, yeah, adult collectible toys, but now it's vinyl figures, yeah. 00:04:38.000 --> 00:04:41.839 And the the reason they're kind of uh for adults, I guess, is because they're so expensive. 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:43.680 So yeah, you okay. 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:46.879 So Sagittarius, we are talking about this is really high-end, right? 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:48.000 So it's collectibles. 00:04:48.560 --> 00:04:52.959 So say if sorry, you this will you will learn all this in a minute. 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:57.839 But if you had a thing like called a Dunny, for example, which is like a a figure, it's called dunny, isn't it? 00:04:58.079 --> 00:04:59.839 It's like it's like a mad bunny thing. 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:10.480 And if it even undrawn on, undrawn on in its raw form, undrawn, even even uncustomized, you know, that's probably gonna cost you about£100 or something, right? 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:11.920 If you've got yeah, a large one. 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:19.439 A large one, and but then when it gets customized and drawn on, it becomes a one of one unique piece, yeah, and that's then worth loads of money. 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:20.639 Well, it's more, yeah. 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:23.839 101 one hundred and one pounds. 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:32.800 101 no, but it is that then then they start getting more and more expensive because obviously that there's time that goes into it, but there's the art and the craft and things like that as well. 00:05:32.959 --> 00:05:33.439 Yeah, yeah. 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:36.000 So they can get they can get quite painful. 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:37.839 Um depending on who's gonna be able to do that. 00:05:39.680 --> 00:05:41.120 Well, the most over a grand? 00:05:41.439 --> 00:05:44.800 The most I've sold one for was about£800, I think. 00:05:44.959 --> 00:05:45.360 Wow, need. 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:49.120 We are not here to talk about the money though, we're here to talk about the creative craft. 00:05:49.360 --> 00:05:52.079 Yeah, I have I have bought some with me, so you can we'll have a look at some. 00:05:52.160 --> 00:05:54.000 We'll have a little show and show and tell in a minute. 00:05:54.240 --> 00:05:54.800 Wow, brilliant. 00:05:54.959 --> 00:06:03.439 But I think um it's it's such an interesting scene because if you're not aware of it, you know, this is a whole world that you could you could you could just never know about in your whole life. 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:13.040 But as soon as you start noticing bits, you notice them like everywhere, you know, like um in people's windows at shops, around people's houses on their shelves and stuff, and it's very easy to ignore them. 00:06:13.199 --> 00:06:13.600 Yeah, yeah. 00:06:13.839 --> 00:06:21.439 But then when you know, like because I I'm I I love like Futura and Bear brick and stuff and all the Japanese, you know, the Japanese world. 00:06:21.600 --> 00:06:21.920 Yep. 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:24.639 And yeah, it's only just because I've been aware of it. 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:30.959 Now like when you see it in different places and you're like, oh, wow, like bear brick, bear bricks, just like he's like a little Lego bear. 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:31.600 Yeah. 00:06:31.839 --> 00:06:35.199 But people customize them and people trade them and they and they become worth a lot of money. 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:36.319 Bear bricks are wow. 00:06:36.720 --> 00:06:37.519 Very collectible, yeah. 00:06:37.600 --> 00:06:42.560 A lot of the basketball players, the NFL stars, they all have massive collections of of bear bricks and so on. 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:50.639 So yeah, Nigo, Nigo from Bathing Ape, who's like a fashion a fashion brand in in uh Japan, like he's like the arbiter of cool taste and collectibles. 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:53.199 He he made collecting stuff cool, basically. 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:56.720 And like he's got loads of them, and I'm just like just desperate to have one. 00:06:56.959 --> 00:06:58.160 That's really where I got sucked into it. 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:12.879 So I I used to I spend a lot of money

on records when I was younger, and uh as a consequence, one of the magazines I used to buy was called Straight No Chase, which I don't know if you remember if you like sort of jazz and and so on, then it it kind of trip hop when that was knocking about and hip-hop and and so on. 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:27.839 And there was a guy called James Lavelle used to write for it, and he ended up starting a label called Mo Wax, and um they used uh a graffiti artist called Futura, Futura 2000 from New York, so really well known, did covers for the clash, I think, didn't he, and stuff as well. 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:36.399 So and uncle, yeah, and then he did a same load of uncle stuff, and and so I've got quite a lot of his stuff, and and and that's kind of what I really liked. 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:39.759 Uh, and that's sort of a I gradually sort of got drawn into this scene. 00:07:39.839 --> 00:07:40.319 I know this. 00:07:40.879 --> 00:07:43.279 Let me I've I'm gonna just bring this to life for Sangator. 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:48.319 So Futura, you know, like it's kind of like when you talk about the difference between street art and graffiti. 00:07:48.720 --> 00:08:01.279 So he's got a really cool style where it's like aliens, like these little aliens, but they're kind of like American football shapes, and they've got like spiky ears, and they've got really nice, like um spray little spray bits over, like like little galaxies and things. 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:02.959 I'm not doing it justice, am I? 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:11.759 Well, he's he's way more sort of abstract than most graffiti generally sort of centres around writing a word or the name, or that was the whole point of it. 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:21.680 Um, and but uh Futura kind of took it to the point where he was kind of almost just creating like uh an abstract piece, which was quite unusual back then. 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:26.160 It's a whole world that when you look at it, you sort of you feel a vibe, you get a vibe from it, there's something about it. 00:08:26.319 --> 00:08:27.680 It's unique stuff, I don't know what it is. 00:08:27.759 --> 00:08:44.480 Yeah, yeah, there's something about it really grabs you, and then it it became really, really big with MoWax, uh, and that whole kind of vinyl toy scene then evolved out of that, and by about sort of early 2000s, all these companies were popping up releasing figures. 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:50.000 You can still get them now, it's still a massive company from China called Popmart, which you might have seen around you see it in Westfield. 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:51.360 Oh, yeah, Sankita. 00:08:51.519 --> 00:08:52.399 You know about laboo boos? 00:08:52.559 --> 00:08:53.279 Yeah, labos. 00:08:53.519 --> 00:08:59.039 Yeah, so labo is like an evolution of this whole thing because you know people buy these blind bag laboo boos, right? 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:01.440 This is the same back in the vinyl toy days. 00:09:01.519 --> 00:09:06.879 People would buy blind bag vinyl toys, and you know, that's when it starts getting collectible and really expensive. 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:09.039 I'm glad we've brought it to La Boo Boos. 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:16.080 The death of collectibles it didn't take long to track it down. 00:09:22.559 --> 00:09:25.039 But that's where you got the inspiration from. 00:09:25.279 --> 00:09:30.559 So, yeah, it was from it was from those that liking music really, and then reading all the magazines. 00:09:30.720 --> 00:09:38.879 I used to, you know, I used to buy all kinds of magazines, very short-lived magazines, you know, and and I'm old enough now that I'm starting to see some of those magazines in museum exhibits and stuff. 00:09:39.679 --> 00:09:52.639 Um you know, I I I went to the Barbican sort of last year and was looking at uh an exhibition about something I can't remember what it was, but it was music-based, and it had some some magazines that were Kiss FM when Kiss FM was still a pirate radio. 00:09:53.440 --> 00:09:59.919 Oh wow, and it had two magazines in there, like in a you know, a nice glass vitrine sort of, and I was thinking, well, I've got that one and I've got the other one. 00:10:00.159 --> 00:10:01.759 I know you remember reading them, don't you? 00:10:01.840 --> 00:10:03.200 And you know what's on what's on all the pages. 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:04.240 Well, I keep them as well. 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:05.519 Yeah, I'm I'm one of those people. 00:10:06.879 --> 00:10:09.600 I saw mine out ones when I was moving house, and it makes me so sad. 00:10:09.679 --> 00:10:18.320 I had all the Grand Royal uh Beastie Boys magazines and I chucked them out, and I was just like, oh, no, that would never affect. 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:20.639 I used to love the car heart rugged magazine as well. 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:22.080 And uh what else was around at that time? 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:23.200 You chucked them away. 00:10:23.279 --> 00:10:24.799 Yeah, no, I can't believe it. 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:26.399 There was so many kinds of shorts. 00:10:27.279 --> 00:10:28.559 David's just crying now, isn't it? 00:10:29.440 --> 00:10:33.360 He's pouring a little bit of drink on the curb for these uh these magazines. 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:35.919 What other magazines were around at the time? 00:10:36.080 --> 00:10:43.919 Oh, there was Miles ahead, Soul Underground, Blues and Soul, uh I used to I'd hip hop connection, there was Oh, classic, yeah. 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:47.600 But it's it's funny that there was this scene and it was real like a scene of the time. 00:10:47.679 --> 00:10:52.320 I don't know, you know, what sort of what's around now because you know we're too old, we're we're irrelevant now. 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:55.759 And that at that time it was exciting, you know. 00:10:55.840 --> 00:10:58.720 I've I've I met Gempster recently in um in Chelmsfest. 00:10:58.960 --> 00:10:59.279 Okay, yeah. 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:06.879 And and I and we were like we

were talking about you know, like big chill times and 93 feet east, and I feel like this there's this whole life in London. 00:11:07.120 --> 00:11:24.399 Well, I went to university in in Brighton, and uh, and when I was down in Brighton, you know, you used to be able to go down there and and you'd have the jazz rooms on with Russ Dubri on and and all that stuff was mixed up in it until it got to the point where there was some some lads on my course who were running a DJ night down there, and then that was getting listed in straight no chase. 00:11:24.480 --> 00:11:25.919 So we're thinking, hang on, what's going on here? 00:11:26.080 --> 00:11:33.200 And then the the another guy I was with on my course, he ended up doing the covers for um all the skint releases, so fat boy skin, yeah. 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:39.519 So yeah, so all that sort of stuff just sort of kept happening, and you kept thinking, oh, this is this is really cool. 00:11:39.759 --> 00:11:41.600 And I just got more and more into it, really. 00:11:41.840 --> 00:11:50.159 What was really cool though, I think about that time was just that had like music, have fashion, had had uh visual, you know, like collectibles. 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:56.080 Everyone was interested in all these little things and knowing about them, and it was very like early internet days. 00:11:56.240 --> 00:11:56.879 Yeah, that's right. 00:11:57.039 --> 00:12:06.399 So yeah, so so sometimes it was like this knowledge you'd have from magazines and things you'd have in your head, you know, like you'd know about stuff, and you meet someone else and they knew more than you, and you're learning from them. 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:06.879 Yeah, yeah. 00:12:06.960 --> 00:12:14.799 In Straight No Chase, I remember they at the back they used to they would put like a web link in, and it would always be something like you know, like massive attack.demon dot whatever stuff. 00:12:15.120 --> 00:12:21.759 Oh my god, you've got to dial up to see it, and it would more or less be an image and some text, and that you know, and it was pretty awful. 00:12:21.840 --> 00:12:23.279 But they used to push it, yeah. 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:32.080 And it uh straight no again, Straight Note Chase used to have you would lay out kind of the best clothes from Japan, you'd have hysteric glamour and all the Nego stuff, yeah. 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:36.240 And it was it was still just kind of oh, yeah, I'd love to have so you couldn't get it as well. 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:45.759 That was the other thing because you because you couldn't just go online and buy it if you wanted it, you had to go somewhere specific to get it, and it was hard to get, and that was part of the the enjoyment. 00:12:46.159 --> 00:12:52.399 Mate, I'm I'm in Japan next week, and I uh and I know bathing apes not as cool as it used to be, but I used to go there 20 years ago and buy bathing ape. 00:12:52.559 --> 00:12:55.840 I'm still gonna go there and buy it because bape stars are really wicked shoes. 00:12:57.279 --> 00:12:58.399 I love it, they last ages. 00:12:58.480 --> 00:13:04.159 I I'm gardening mines now, honestly, and I and I think one day like there's gonna be a hype beast coming around past my house. 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:07.200 Being like, I just saw a guy at Bape Stars gardening. 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:09.759 They're ruined, like I can't wear them anywhere else. 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:12.000 It's funny how you go to gardening, isn't it? 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:19.759 Because my wife loves gardening, and I my dad always used to like you know, and you always think, Oh, it's good that they like gardening, but I'm never gonna do that. 00:13:19.919 --> 00:13:20.399 Do you know what I mean? 00:13:20.799 --> 00:13:21.440 I'll I'll never do that. 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:23.919 Before you know it, before you know it, you're doing the garden. 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:26.240 You can yeah, you've got your Japanese streetwear up there. 00:13:26.399 --> 00:13:26.720 Yeah, yeah. 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:29.679 Well, that's uh if you if you buy the Niwaki stuff, of course. 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:32.480 So Niwaki's like a Japanese brand, and of course they make gardening. 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:36.559 If you want a Niwaki jacket and jeans, you're looking at the wrong end of 500 quid. 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:41.279 Mate, if you're not gardening with if you haven't got a Japanese spade, you know, you're not you're not cutting earth properly. 00:13:41.519 --> 00:13:43.519 Fortunately, I've got a Japanese secretaire. 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:46.320 Yeah, they're two samurai blades. 00:13:50.799 --> 00:14:04.000 So, Kate, I think um, just you know, to to bring this back, you know, like if you see like Farrell Williams stuff, you know, a lot of his artwork is by Nigo, this um the bathing ape guy from Japan, from this collectibles world. 00:14:04.159 --> 00:14:11.279 So you probably have seen like bear brick and things like that, because um Farrell often uses that sort of language in his artwork as well. 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:11.679 Yeah. 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:13.679 And Kenye West for a bit as well. 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:19.360 Yeah, it's it it it's it's probably in the public consciousness, but you just it's not something you unless you pay. 00:14:19.759 --> 00:14:31.039 Unless you know, yeah, you're not really you're just gonna be something you've seen, it's just like a another thing that's just and you someone unlock it like now, like you'll know, and you'll be like, Okay, that's what they were talking about. 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:36.399 It's it it's like cause, you know, like no, like cause the street artist who does the crosses on the eyes of stuff. 00:14:36.559 --> 00:14:38.960 Yeah, and and you know, I hate cause. 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:45.440 Okay, yeah, what I'm but the reason I hate the reason I hate is because I customise one of his toys and his legal team chase me out. 00:14:45.840 --> 00:14:49.519 Oh but but but he does

stuff with Uniclove and things like that now, you know. 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:55.279 So it's like suddenly you you become aware of these artists um and they but they become in the public conscious. 00:14:55.519 --> 00:14:58.720 He's he's massive, but I mean, yeah, it just really bothered me actually. 00:14:58.799 --> 00:15:02.240 So yeah, well that's it, he's done for me. 00:15:02.320 --> 00:15:03.200 I'm finished with it. 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:06.480 Adam, Adam, don't let the surprise guests come out of the cupboard. 00:15:06.879 --> 00:15:08.320 David might attack him. 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:17.360 Oh, look, oh Sankita, what we have here, there you go, Adam has found a bear brick for us in his studio. 00:15:17.840 --> 00:15:20.240 That is a that is a 100% bear brick. 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:21.519 Oh, look at these. 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:25.279 So we've we we have got some bear bricks in the studio. 00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:29.360 So they're the 100% ones, the little ones kind of like they're done the equivalent. 00:15:29.440 --> 00:15:35.120 Then you buy a 400% one which is about a foot high, and then if you buy the thousand percent ones, they're about three foot high. 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:38.799 So, how long does it take you to create to make one of these? 00:15:39.039 --> 00:15:45.600 So to to to paint one's probably one of those little bear bricks, but probably just a few hours to a three hours. 00:15:46.000 --> 00:15:50.720 But like the big, big versions or customized or 40, 50 hours, I don't know. 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:51.039 Wow. 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:57.200 So Sankia, let's explain the process to you actually, because because this is a whole weird world. 00:15:57.679 --> 00:16:01.039 What what you get is a bear brick is like having a canvas, right? 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:10.720 Yeah, it is you just get this blank, and then David will take it and and some people will customize them, even take them apart, like you know, cut bits out of them and stick them back together again. 00:16:10.960 --> 00:16:13.200 But what David does, you mainly just draw on the top of that. 00:16:13.440 --> 00:16:14.240 That's not my bag, yeah. 00:16:14.320 --> 00:16:16.799 Re-sculpting them is not really something I want to do, if I'm honest. 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:18.960 So, what what do you use to draw on them? 00:16:19.360 --> 00:16:25.919 So when you get one like that, you have to strip the paint off it first of all with acetone, which is deeply unpleasant stuff. 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:27.279 So I don't recommend that to anybody. 00:16:27.360 --> 00:16:42.879 But um you once you strip the paint off it, it's effectively blank, then I spray paint it, and then I will use sort of like uh model kit spray paints to to get sort of base sprays down and stuff, and then I I literally just use Posca pens on them. 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:45.279 Poska penska pens about it. 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:47.519 I love drawing with Posca pens and the best. 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:51.679 Absolutely, everything is done with that, yeah, and they are very expensive, and I have it. 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:53.519 That's why customs cost so much money. 00:16:54.559 --> 00:16:55.840 Poska pens, honestly. 00:16:56.080 --> 00:17:02.960 Yeah, I I probably have got about, yeah, at any given point, I've probably got about 600 quids worth of pension around the side. 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:03.600 Oh my god. 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:05.839 Yeah, that's that's what they got security at the end. 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:09.680 That's crazy. 00:17:09.839 --> 00:17:16.000 So I mean, drawing in 3D must be really difficult, like you know, like um you know, working around the shapes of them. 00:17:16.240 --> 00:17:24.720 Yeah, it can be because obviously, yeah, the pens don't lend themselves to detail and what have you because they tend to flick and then the paint spatters, which is not something I'm happy about. 00:17:24.880 --> 00:17:27.279 But um and your work's super precise as well. 00:17:27.519 --> 00:17:30.319 Yeah, which is that's another terrible decision on my part. 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:34.160 Should have gone a lot freer. 00:17:34.240 --> 00:17:36.240 Um should have gone a bit more future, right? 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:36.880 Yeah, exactly. 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:39.119 Yeah, I should just be a little bit more blasé about it. 00:17:39.279 --> 00:18:06.720 But um, yeah, no, I I I like it to be uh a certain way, and also the method I've kind of developed over the years is again is a is a terrible way of doing it because I I tend to do like all my black work first, then I'll do a colour, then I go back with black, and then I do another colour, and by the time I've got to two or three layers, I've obliterated half the stuff I've done twice at least, and then I'm still gonna other people do the black layer last because that's like doing the outlines and stuff, right? 00:18:07.119 --> 00:18:08.799 It's the only way you can get the look, right? 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:09.920 So you have to layer it. 00:18:10.000 --> 00:18:17.440 So you you you if you to do what I do, if you want it to look the way it looks, then yeah, you have to be prepared to basically scrub out half your work all the time. 00:18:17.519 --> 00:18:19.039 So it's yeah, it's it's painful. 00:18:19.359 --> 00:18:23.359 We we should um I mean, David, do you want to get some of your customs out? 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:31.920 Because I think we'll describe it'd be good to describe them, but I think for Sankia to see them, it's gonna Sankita, use your words when you see them, yeah? 00:18:32.079 --> 00:18:44.640 Okay, describe them, describe them, use your words, they're very big compared to what Adam gave me. 00:18:44.799 --> 00:18:45.279 Yeah. 00:18:45.920 --> 00:18:48.559 Oh my gide days. 00:18:49.119 --> 00:18:49.519 Wow. 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:50.720 What are you looking at? 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:54.240 I'm looking at this monster-looking thing, but it's very creative.

00:18:54.400 --> 00:18:57.200 Very my favourite colours, can I touch it? 00:18:57.359 --> 00:18:57.920 Yeah, yeah. 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:00.240 Sangeet, use your words. 00:19:00.480 --> 00:19:06.799 Right, so my words are colourful, different, absolutely different. 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:10.160 Looks like they belong in Star Wars. 00:19:11.599 --> 00:19:40.960 So David's actually brought in some of his customers to the studio, which you'll be able to see if you watch the video of this, but if if not, these are probably about you know um 10-15 centimetres high, these vinyl toys, and they look kind of like these mad space aliens, a bit like um in the fifth in the fifth element when the sort of monster things come along, and they're covered in graffiti, like sort of stylized graffiti, which is what David's drawn on them. 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:43.599 There is so much detail. 00:19:44.160 --> 00:19:52.720 Look at looking at these, so what you're sort of doing, you're almost applying this sort of super stylized smart graffiti style over the top of these toys. 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:53.119 Yeah. 00:19:56.400 --> 00:19:58.640 Where where did you develop your style? 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:09.039 I honestly I don't really I I I I if you want the full story, I did go to university and I did fine art at university, so I was a painter, I did painting. 00:20:09.279 --> 00:20:16.240 Um I quickly realised I was not gonna make a living as a painter because it's effectively impossible. 00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:20.880 Um so I ended up I I got a normal job, I got a proper job, blah blah blah blah. 00:20:21.279 --> 00:20:26.960 And then as I say, I sort of always maintained my interest in kind of laptop culture kind of stuff. 00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:31.519 Um eventually there was in Selfridges in London, they once had a pop-up of Kid Robot. 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:32.000 I remember. 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:46.640 And Kid Robot was the the the people who make dunnies, and and they another toy they used to call was called a money, yes, and it was blank, and the idea was you would draw on it, and so I got one, and I mean I was you know, I was still quite old even then. 00:20:46.799 --> 00:20:54.559 Yeah, um, I got one, I drew on it, and then it encouraged you to post it up on this early internet on a forum, on the kid robot forums. 00:20:54.799 --> 00:20:57.359 So I thought, well, let's stick it up, see what happens. 00:20:57.440 --> 00:21:02.079 Um so I I I put it up on it, and and people were sort of like, oh, I like that's good, I like that. 00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:04.960 And and this was this was with your sort of graffiti style, wasn't it? 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:11.279 Nowhere near as uh technical as this nothing like literally, I was drawing on it with a Sharpie, I think, the first few I did. 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:17.519 Yeah, um so I draw on it with a Sharpie, just literally like doodled it, um, put it up. 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:18.960 Oh, I like that. 00:21:19.039

--> 00:21:23.119 Um and then of course that appealed to my vanity a lot. 00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:25.279 So I was sort of like, oh this is good. 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:33.680 Um so uh then I I I sort of started doing more kind of what I because when I was doing my paintings, they were always abstract, that's what I preferred. 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:40.240 Um and so I I tried to think, well, I could you maybe I could use this as a sort of small canvas, you know. 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:42.559 So uh so that's where I went with the fan. 00:21:43.039 --> 00:21:48.000 You know, you know what, people you can never underestimate the importance of encouragement like for creativity. 00:21:48.079 --> 00:21:48.400 Oh yeah. 00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:56.079 And I and I think you know, that instant feedback, you know, when you post something online, you know, you you might have just done it put on your shelf and been like, Oh, that was fun. 00:21:56.240 --> 00:21:59.839 Yeah, but you see, the internet's not it's not really like that anymore, is it? 00:22:00.000 --> 00:22:05.519 You know, but back then it was it was very much kind of like, oh, there's a forum, there's loads of people on here, they're all into it. 00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:10.559 And they would they would comment, you know, people would spend a little bit of time commenting on it. 00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:21.519 So you would just sort of even that on its own, you just kind of appreciated the fact that there was other people who are interested and you could share kind of what you were doing and if they liked it or if they didn't like it, you know. 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:22.720 I didn't mind if they didn't like it. 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:26.880 And were people were were people sort of swapping tips or um, yeah. 00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:29.440 That was the other thing you could find out, like to start with. 00:22:29.599 --> 00:22:35.680 I didn't, you know, really realise that yes, ideally you need to strip the paint off, and then you need to prime it. 00:22:35.759 --> 00:22:41.839 And somebody would it would just explain it to you, just you know and and so this was like a m whole money community, or is like a kid robot community. 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:43.039 It was all kid robot community. 00:22:43.200 --> 00:22:44.720 Mate, I miss Kid Robot so much. 00:22:44.799 --> 00:22:45.759 I loved Kid Robot. 00:22:46.000 --> 00:22:47.759 Are some of those people still knocking around that? 00:22:47.839 --> 00:22:49.119 You know, they're still about, yeah. 00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:53.200 Um so yeah, you you know, you still you still talk to them, uh even now. 00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:54.960 And I mean it's yeah and that's amazing. 00:22:55.039 --> 00:22:58.160 So you almost built a little community from Kid Robot what are we talking about? 00:22:58.319 --> 00:23:04.480 All these disparate communities, the Mo Wax community, like the jazz jazz heads and stuff, and you've got your Kid Robot community, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:17.200 And and you still chat to them and you still swap eat swap customs, still knocking around, yeah, and I still get I it's all moved kind of onto Instagram now, but um a lot of the people that I used to sort of speak to still will still comment on Instagram and and so on. 00:23:21.440 --> 00:23:26.400 I was going through your Instagram earlier, I got exhausted, it just kept going on forever. 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:31.359 Yeah, I can't honestly, I cannot believe how many figures you've customized. 00:23:31.519 --> 00:23:32.319 Yeah, I've done a lot. 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:33.200 You've done a lot. 00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:36.400 I bet you can't even remember them all, but I it was it was exhausting for me. 00:23:36.559 --> 00:23:37.920 I can remember most of them, but yeah, yeah. 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:38.960 No, I yeah, I have done a lot. 00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:46.960 But but thinking about that level of craft as well and seeing how precise your work is, and knowing how much love that you put into each single, every single one, yeah. 00:23:47.200 --> 00:23:50.079 I was just thinking, oh my god, this is like this is a million hours. 00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:54.319 It is when it's not kind of what you do for a living as well, yeah. 00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:55.920 So I they they do take a long time. 00:23:56.079 --> 00:24:06.400 I and I'm doing a show in in May in in London at Hammersmith called the Toy Con, which is the it's pretty much the only toy show in in the UK for this kind of stuff. 00:24:06.799 --> 00:24:11.359 Um and it's a two-day event, and I I finally have gone back. 00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:15.839 I I did the first three or four, and then I gave it up because they moved it to like a weekend format. 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:24.799 I just couldn't I could not make enough stuff to sell to to have the point of having a table for two days because I couldn't, I just didn't have enough stuff to sell. 00:24:24.880 --> 00:24:25.119 Yeah. 00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:34.000 Um, but I've I made a sort of point this year of trying to get enough stuff together, and I've got about I reckon I've got about 30 bits by the time. 00:24:34.400 --> 00:24:35.759 Yes, wow, come on. 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:38.480 Hopefully that will see me see me through. 00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:41.680 And and will you be customising stuff live on the stand as well? 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:43.279 I don't normally, but I could do. 00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:49.279 I mean, yeah, I don't it's just I normally I mean I don't mean like someone bringing up a thing and say, Can you draw on my asthma inhaler or whatever? 00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:51.839 Actually, really, yeah, weirdly, that's more what you get. 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:53.599 Yeah, you do tend to get paper to cover. 00:24:53.920 --> 00:25:02.640 Can you just draw on that from okay, yeah, uh come back in two hours and yeah, so because your your wait your um yeah, your wait list must be really long. 00:25:03.279 -->

00:25:05.839 Do you do you sign every piece of your work somewhere? 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:07.920 Yeah, is there a little secret signature of it? 00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:09.279 Yeah, that one's covered in them. 00:25:09.519 --> 00:25:09.839 Really? 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:10.720 Where is it? 00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:12.559 So that's me there. 00:25:12.880 --> 00:25:13.599 DMB, yeah. 00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:16.880 Ah I love that. 00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:18.559 They're all over, basically. 00:25:18.640 --> 00:25:19.680 Yeah, little tang on there. 00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:21.599 So even if you think it's yours, it's really not. 00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:26.559 No, it is you I mean, you never actually did graffiti then. 00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:29.599 You you just went straight to graffiti on these small characters. 00:25:29.920 --> 00:25:31.279 Yeah, I always just really like they are. 00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:42.880 That kind of that that was the artwork I kind of outside of fine art, which with the best will in the world, I'm not gonna come to a a toy like this and do you know something fine art related on it because it's just not gonna work. 00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:46.880 But um, that was the kind of outside of that that's what I liked, actually. 00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:50.319 Um, and so that's what I pursued in my style, yeah. 00:25:50.480 --> 00:25:54.160 Because and and it was particularly Futura was the the guy that I really liked. 00:25:54.799 --> 00:26:00.799 You can see it, you can see it, but but what what's nice, it it doesn't look like a rip of Fujuri, you can see the inspiration there, yeah. 00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:06.160 It's that initial pen work, you know, where he would just literally just swing marks, wouldn't he? 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:06.720 Yeah, yeah. 00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:08.799 And I just took it on from there, really, yeah. 00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:13.119 But my I used to do a lot of work when I was at at college with handwriting, yeah. 00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:16.960 And so it kind of wasn't it wasn't massively far removed from it, actually. 00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:23.759 So um when I when I came to doing these, I sort of started in that direction, and then I've just developed it. 00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:34.880 Actually, it's part of it's come out of the way that the pens behave when you draw on the surfaces, but because like you said, because they're round, the pens tend to make kind of particular kinds of marks anyway. 00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:45.839 So you kind of get not help, but you know, you you you you work with the shape of the the thing that you're you're drawing on, so you tend to get a different effect on on each piece, which is what I like about it. 00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:52.079 When when you start, do you actually have a vision in your head of where it's gonna go or does the pen the pen will just sort of take you a bit? 00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:53.039 Absolutely no idea. 00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:54.000 I I love that. 00:26:54.079 --> 00:26:57.359 So you you you just you just sit down, you start, and the pen will take over. 00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:00.640 If I knew what I was doing, I would I wouldn't do it. 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:04.400 Yeah, I mean for random, look at that. 00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:05.920 Like to go with that. 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:07.200 This is proper creative. 00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:07.759 Yeah, yeah. 00:27:08.160 --> 00:27:08.480 I love that. 00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:14.640 So so but you get you like literally you sit down, blank out, blank figure, yeah, and you just get in the zone and you just start drawing. 00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:17.440 Just somebody's someone switches you on. 00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:18.160 Yeah, you just start. 00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:20.000 Go like run run DMB. 00:27:20.160 --> 00:27:26.319 You start drawing, you start, you know, you start with a black marks, you try and and balance them out so you it feels right. 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:28.960 I don't even know what that you know how to explain that to someone. 00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:31.039 But you know, you know, you feel it up. 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:33.599 That looks like you've got your own language in your head. 00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:35.440 Yeah, this is this is this is right. 00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:47.200 Then I I sort of tidy that up with a little pen, and then I'll go back in with another colour, and like I say, that so on on that piece, you know, that was sprayed grey, then I sprayed the white on it black on the base, but you know, etc. 00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:49.039 until it was sprayed up. 00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:55.759 Then you you'd go with with the grey colour outline, the grey, and then well, I quite like the blue. 00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:56.400 I'm gonna put some. 00:27:56.799 --> 00:27:57.680 I was gonna say, yeah. 00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:01.759 That's what you would do, and that that that's basically how I that's basically how I do everything. 00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:07.839 This is why you got kicked out of fine art, because you because in fine art you can't say, I just thought I put some blue on it because I like blue. 00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:21.839 Well, you know, you you actually can if you really want, you can, you can, but I yeah, I did get I got I got told off once in uh in a crit at at university because they thought I was being too flippant. 00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:22.559 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:33.440 Uh, and I actually wasn't being flippant, and what happened was I did my explanation, then somebody else clearly thought that maybe flippancy was a good thing, and and then gave the explanation of their piece in a very similar vein. 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:36.160 And I think the the tutor got really sick of it really quick. 00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:37.839 Was it was it why did you do that? 00:28:38.000 --> 00:28:39.119 Because I thought it'd look good. 00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:45.839 Yeah, it was more because I mean I was I just gave them sort of straight

answers to things, you know. 00:28:46.160 --> 00:28:50.720 He asked me why I had stripes in, and I said the the stripes on the piece, it's the one in my studio, actually. 00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:55.359 I never I couldn't let myself give it away to anybody, so somebody tried to buy it off me the other day. 00:28:56.240 --> 00:28:57.599 I can't I can't sell it to you. 00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:07.839 Um but um it's got two it's got a blue-black stripe on it, and at the time when I was at university, I used to wear this this top that was blue and black stripes all the time. 00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:09.680 It was like an inter Milan shirt, yeah. 00:29:09.920 --> 00:29:13.599 So and I really loved it, and I wore it all the time, all the time. 00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:16.160 And uh that was my signature basically. 00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:21.039 So I put this down the centre, and I it also broke up a two-part painting, so it was a diptych. 00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:23.680 Yeah, we want to get arty about it. 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:28.480 Um, and and that was and I I gave that explanation, they were not happy with that explanation. 00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:28.799 Really? 00:29:31.039 --> 00:29:32.160 How dare you be honest? 00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:37.519 Yeah, I'm from Brighton, I'm skint records, I like my football shirt, it's into Milan, I'm using the colours. 00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:45.440 When I was at your yeah, when I when I did go to the fine art course, I mean I turned out I was the only person who liked football, so yeah, of course. 00:29:45.759 --> 00:29:47.359 I was slightly surprised about that. 00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:50.240 Um, yeah, that was that's fine art course. 00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:54.559 So have you ever done a piece? 00:29:54.720 --> 00:30:04.079 I mean, you said that you've got a piece at home that you would never get rid of because that's your piece, but have you ever been commissioned a piece where it's come out so good where you're thinking, I've just really. 00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:11.920 I've even said to people, I said I'd rather not give you it back, but um, you know, they have paid for it. 00:30:12.000 --> 00:30:14.400 So can I buy it back off you? 00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:20.000 Yeah, honestly, a few of them I I I would uh just because I I did like them at the time. 00:30:20.079 --> 00:30:28.880 But um I had that I I had I had my photo taken the other day on a Victorian camera on wet plate on wet plate with um silver silver colloid. 00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:35.359 Yeah, and the guy said to me, can I might ask for this back in the future for um exhibitions and stuff. 00:30:35.519 --> 00:30:36.240 Is that okay? 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:36.799 Yeah, okay. 00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:40.720 And I was like, I was like, it must be so hard to just let things go, you know. 00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:44.960 And then I mean you can't end up being like the Damian Hurst Foundation where you're buying all your own artwork. 00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:52.319 Yeah, no, yeah,

it's it it it's it's difficult because it obviously when I I don't just trip them off. 00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:58.720 I don't I I um I don't want to just do them because I don't I don't do it for a living, so I don't I don't have to. 00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:07.039 So um so I do what I want and and I also I don't I kind of object to people asking me to do specific things as well. 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:13.359 So I would usually basically say no if if if you want something specific. 00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:19.359 I will do like a colour scheme if you really want, yeah, but by and large I try to say no. 00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:22.720 You're just gonna be like, look, listen, dude, I'm going where the pen takes me. 00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:23.359 Absolutely. 00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:27.200 You know, I uh I'm I'm not gonna draw at you, Homer Simpson, on this on this thing. 00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:36.880 And to be fair, the the vast majority of people are like, well, I don't wanna, you know, I don't wanna I don't wanna stop you doing something, so yeah, I just do whatever you want, and they're quite happy with that. 00:31:37.039 --> 00:31:45.119 They might say they'd like it a bit of blue or something, which is fun, but I'm hate, but so then really two pieces are never the same, they're never the same because they're all quite pretty unique, yeah. 00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:52.720 Yeah, and if and I I guess if someone's coming to you and they already like your style, you're like, trust the process, yeah, you know, and what you get is gonna be a one of one. 00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.440 Yeah, no one will ever have seven for something the same. 00:31:55.680 --> 00:32:00.559 Yes, that's basically what I say is that you you're you're gonna get what you're gonna get. 00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:06.319 Um it means it's gonna be unique to you, yeah. 00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:08.000 And I'm and I'm just gonna post it to you. 00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:09.200 I'm not even gonna show you everything. 00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:14.960 It's the thing, I don't I don't take any money off anyone until uh until they've until they've seen it, until it's done. 00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:26.480 So because uh in the scene, kind of a lot of people will take kind of half the money up front and stuff like which I I don't want anyone's money while I'm working on it because other than then they can guilt you into having to do it quicker. 00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:28.799 So I'm again not interested in that. 00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:32.000 You're like it's ready when it's ready, you're on David Bishop's time. 00:32:34.640 --> 00:32:35.839 So that's what happens. 00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:38.000 Don't call me, I'll call you. 00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:40.960 Hey, look, look, I've just got to tell our listeners here, right? 00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:43.519 So I'm holding one of these vinyl customs, right? 00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:47.680 I would say it's like like the size of the biggest baked potato you've ever had, right? 00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:48.160 Yeah, yeah. 00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:50.880 Like an alien thing. 00:32:51.119 --> 00:32:56.480 Now, how long would this one that's about as big as the biggest baked potato you've ever seen in your life? 00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:57.920 So that one would that take? 00:32:58.400 --> 00:32:59.440 I don't know how long I've spent on that. 00:32:59.519 --> 00:33:01.759 Maybe uh 20 hours, probably something like that. 00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:02.559 20 hours. 00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:04.640 And how many sittings would that be? 00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:05.920 Uh it depends. 00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:14.400 If if I've got a bit of time, if I like when I do the open days at Highlands, I actually I I quite like that because I get to spend quite a lot of time on the same thing. 00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:21.279 And also, if you've got four or five in front of you, you you work on one, you put it down, you let it dry, pick up another one and work on that. 00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:26.000 Okay, but apart from when loads of people come in and ask you questions about them like me. 00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:26.640 I don't mind. 00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:32.799 Yeah, I'm I I'm I like talking to people there, but it I think a lot of people don't even know it's there, to be honest with you, when they when they come round. 00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:39.599 I mean, yeah, it's it do you do you find um because you know, doing like close work, I used to paint Warhammer figures, right? 00:33:39.920 --> 00:33:46.720 Okay, yeah, you know, and and like doing close work and doing like detailed work, you've really got to zone in and it does get exhausting, you know. 00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:51.359 Like after a while you suddenly realize, oh my god, I've had my face right up to this model for ages. 00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:55.599 Yeah, I'd I I could never paint Warhammer figures for exactly that reason. 00:33:56.000 --> 00:33:57.359 Well, I couldn't now my eyes are ruined. 00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:11.039 I have got my glasses in my jacket there, and I was just pretending I don't need them at the moment, but um, yeah, no, that it's yeah, sometimes you you get a bit too drawn into it and it's a bit fine. 00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:15.119 But that part of the whole process of it was not not to do that. 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:16.800 Yeah, because I don't want to do that. 00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:31.519 What what what's cool about these as well is because you know you're thinking about it as a large canvas, you know, you there's an overall like a holistic look to it, yeah, but then there's all these small details in the like your uh your d your DMB signatures, and you know, the more you look at it, the more you discover. 00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:32.320 The more you find. 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:40.880 So I've got this little piece here, and it's got lots of little colours, and I can see a skeleton, but as I look closer, I can see the word no, then I can see some numbers. 00:34:41.039 -->

00:34:43.440 So you're right, you have to get really detailed. 00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:49.519 Yeah, but you can appreciate you you can appreciate it from a from a from a top level as well as looking at it in more detail. 00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:53.199 Well, I I hope the people who do have them do actually have a good look at it. 00:34:53.280 --> 00:35:06.320 I mean there was a bit of um a sort of approach, quite a lot of people, where they they would paint the front, yeah, not really worry too much about the back because the back's on you know, when you've got it on the shelf, well no one's gonna look at the back. 00:35:06.400 --> 00:35:08.159 But I'm like, well no, you've done amazing. 00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:10.159 But you your men are look at it all the way around. 00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:12.800 You know, it's not worth having. 00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:16.960 Well, it makes you it it actually makes you want to look all the way around, to be honest. 00:35:17.199 --> 00:35:21.360 Well, I hope that I mean I hope the people who buy them do, but I mean, you know, I don't know what they do with them. 00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:28.880 I know some people have got outrageous displays with with yeah, built-in cabinets along massive long what I mean, it's ridiculous what some people do. 00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:34.159 Do you have have you got that customer that will constantly come back to you because they're so addicted to this? 00:35:36.400 --> 00:35:38.880 This is like their Faberget eggs, isn't it? 00:35:39.039 --> 00:35:39.360 Yeah, yeah. 00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:41.360 Every year I'm gonna order one. 00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:47.760 I have, I have got some, and you know, that they're the people that you you know you save your best stuff for as well, aren't they? 00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:59.679 Yeah, if I if for instance one of these big ones, if if I if I knew it was a certain that there's a few people who buy for me, and if I know it's them, it's there's no way it's going until it's absolutely perfect. 00:35:59.920 --> 00:36:04.239 Because I know that's that's that's that's neat ego when Nego sort of one. 00:36:04.480 --> 00:36:05.280 It's the best thing, isn't it? 00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:07.360 Is it is it somebody who really care values it? 00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:08.159 That's what you want. 00:36:08.239 --> 00:36:09.119 That's who I want to have for. 00:36:09.599 --> 00:36:11.039 Do you do you have Japanese customers? 00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:15.519 A few, yeah, not not loads, I say because they and they're gonna care the most out of everyone, right? 00:36:15.760 --> 00:36:17.599 It's mostly mostly Americans, yeah. 00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:25.199 Weirdly, um quite a few in Europe, so Japan and Italy and many from the UK, yeah, quite a few. 00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:33.840 Yeah, there's one one one chap in particular name, but he he buys a lot of my stuff, and there was an another guy who used to buy a lot and he ran out of of yeah. 00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:36.159 And it's

is there a secondary market for it? 00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:37.679 You know, can can people resell it? 00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:40.880 Is that is it like this is a run D M B original? 00:36:41.280 --> 00:36:45.760 Yes, there is, which is I I don't I don't mind actually. 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:50.880 Uh funnily enough, uh things like Toy Con when you will get a lot of people who are flippers basically. 00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:54.000 So you know, like when people buy the new trainer releases and stuff. 00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:56.880 Yeah, not dolphins, they'll just literally buy them, yeah. 00:36:57.039 --> 00:37:00.559 No, you know what a flipper do you know what a flipper is? 00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:03.840 Yeah. 00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:15.199 So they will come along and they will they will they will buy the pieces and they will literally get out of the venue and then they will sell them again for twice as much money as they bought them for. 00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:16.079 That's crazy. 00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:23.440 Um and that's because the the people selling them in there obviously are are ultimately just sort of this is what I'm gonna charge for them to be reasonable. 00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:24.000 Yeah. 00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:34.480 Even though they they probably know in truth that they can go for more than that, but then you become the person who's just trying to rinse it for money, and then that's not that doesn't fit the the the scene if you're gonna be able to do it. 00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:36.239 So do you sound someone out? 00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:39.119 Like you got like little interviews and you work out if they're a flipper or not? 00:37:39.519 --> 00:37:41.840 No, it's like do you like do you like the taste of sardines? 00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:46.079 You just know they give away that one. 00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:54.320 They can't help themselves, but can you communicate over large distances underwater? 00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:59.199 Can you can you can you balance a ball on your nose and jump through a hope? 00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:00.880 No, you're stereotyping dolphins. 00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:04.400 Yeah, I know, sorry, yeah, I don't I don't want to be dolphinist. 00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:10.800 Um but do you do you get a feel for like if someone if someone's like a tie kicker or they're like you know just looking to get something to flip? 00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:14.800 Yeah, and they know that if you draw a hot Homer Simpson on it, then they're gonna be able to sell it for twice as much. 00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:15.679 No, yeah. 00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:20.800 My view on it is that I ultimately I'm I ask what I think it's worth. 00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:21.280 Yeah. 00:38:21.440 --> 00:38:28.719 And then if they make twice as much money out of it because they found somebody who'll pay more, that's fine by me, because I've got what I thought it was worth. 00:38:28.800 --> 00:38:32.159 So and you're happy that your time's been compensated, you've enjoyed the process. 00:38:32.800 --> 00:38:35.280 Yeah, I've done it, I've got what I what I wanted for it. 00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:38.239 So if somebody else can get more, that's up to them, and that's that's fine. 00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:39.519 I don't, it doesn't bother me. 00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:46.639 But um I've gotta say, I think you might be like our most chill guest ever. 00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:48.639 Right, right, right, no, no, Sagittarius. 00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:49.519 Do you know what? 00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:50.559 Am I the oldest guest? 00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:52.320 No, no, no, no, no, not at all. 00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:54.639 The oldest guest I've had was about um 95. 00:38:55.280 --> 00:39:01.440 So um, but what I'm gonna say is I think that this as you this is your hobby, right? 00:39:01.519 --> 00:39:04.079 Yeah, you're you say you're a part-time toy customisation. 00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:06.719 I think this is the most zen thing, right? 00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:17.039 If you're doing close work and you're like locked in on on this customisation, yeah, and you're just letting a pen do its work, it's easy to- You must be like that, must be like a real happy place for you. 00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:20.400 Yeah, I I just I just like I mean it's easy to lose a lot of time, yeah. 00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:30.159 You know, um I like for example, when I'm at uh work at lunchtime, I will I will do these and I'll sort of start, and I've got about you know about an hour, let's say, in it. 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:35.519 You realise that you've I've I've barely sort of started before I went on that. 00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:36.880 The hour's gone. 00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:38.719 The hour's gone, so it's like right, okay. 00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:48.559 So I do this, I I I do a lot of um pen work, I do merch for bands and stuff, and I and I and I hand draw it and I put a podcast on, and the end the podcast will end, and I'd be like, What? 00:39:48.639 --> 00:39:49.360 That was an hour? 00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:54.159 Yeah, you know, because you just you're just locked in, like drawing and it and it and it feels so chilled afterwards. 00:39:54.320 --> 00:39:56.159 Like, we'll have another episode of that, another episode. 00:39:56.559 --> 00:39:59.760 Before you know it, you've done four four So what sort of pen and ink work do you do then? 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:05.199 I always use the same Stabilo as Stabilo the stripy black and white pen. 00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:10.800 Yeah, and I and and I I just do black and white drawing and then I'll scan it in and um yeah. 00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:16.320 I I have not got on to doing it on a tablet or uh iPad or anything with procreators. 00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:17.280 Yeah, I've never done that. 00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:22.239 I still like the physical analogue drawing, yeah. 00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:22.639 Same. 00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:27.920 Um and and I love it, it just makes me so chilled, and it's so nice to get away from a screen

as well. 00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:41.760 I don't need to be on the um because I know you know you're a graphic designer during the day as well, and I do similar work as well, and it's just so nice to to separate corporate paid work from stuff that I enjoy doing. 00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:42.239 Yeah, exactly. 00:40:42.559 --> 00:40:44.880 I'd enjoy doing that as well, but you know, yeah, I know what you mean. 00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:48.400 To be in the analogue world, yeah, it's just and this why I I'm feeling your zen. 00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:50.320 Yeah, I just get all the pens out, you know. 00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:51.360 I get all the pens out. 00:40:51.440 --> 00:41:06.800 I've got 40-50 colours there, most of which I know I'm probably not going to use, but you know, it's it's just and then I'll look at graffiti books or whatever, and I'll just say, all right, yeah, quite I like that colour combination, and I'll try a bit of that, and and that that's all I have to do, you know. 00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:14.000 So I uh like on that purple one, I was just quite enjoying there was a little bit where it was kind of feeling a little bit neon, and I was thinking, oh that's working. 00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:15.760 Yeah, that's amazing. 00:41:15.840 --> 00:41:16.880 The colours in that area. 00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:19.679 So you know, I was I was that's that's what I like, yeah. 00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:22.480 I just that's that's the bit that's really enjoyable, isn't it? 00:41:22.559 --> 00:41:26.400 Is when you do it and then something really works, and you think, oh that's the one. 00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:28.079 But then but then you've got to know when to stop. 00:41:28.239 --> 00:41:29.119 That's the problem, isn't it? 00:41:29.199 --> 00:41:31.920 The problem with that is then you do the next piece, you think it'll never be as good as that. 00:41:32.079 --> 00:41:32.559 That one I do. 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:34.880 Yeah, that one I did the other day, that's the best one I've ever done. 00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:36.559 Yeah, I'll never better that. 00:41:37.599 --> 00:41:38.639 I'm basically finished. 00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:40.960 I'm pegged, I'm on the decline now. 00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:42.559 Yeah, yeah, it's all that it's all downhill. 00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:44.159 Then right, you have bought this, right? 00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:46.159 You've bought this funny little figure in here. 00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:49.679 He's like some sort of fat Elvis guy with sideburns, right? 00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:57.519 So even when you think you've done, you've peaked, you've done your futurists you've done your mad like robots, yeah, then does a new vinyl figure come out and you're like, okay, it's brilliant. 00:41:57.599 --> 00:41:58.880 I now I'm gonna start mucking around with it. 00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:00.159 Yeah, yeah, you always get really all that. 00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:01.360 I did one of those the other day. 00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:03.039 That that is for Tell us what

it's called. 00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:04.559 He's called Jerry. 00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:06.000 What is he? 00:42:06.079 --> 00:42:06.719 What is Jerry? 00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:13.440 I think Jerry is based on a sort of 1970s sitcom, a bit like think the good life, think Jerry in the good life. 00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:15.360 He looks like a used car salesman, this guy. 00:42:17.199 --> 00:42:18.480 We're gonna call him Grumpy. 00:42:18.639 --> 00:42:20.480 Yeah, he looks like he's got a miserable soldier. 00:42:20.800 --> 00:42:21.599 We've got this vinyl figure. 00:42:21.679 --> 00:42:26.880 He's got he's got a he looks like he's got a toupee on, and he's got like a double-breasted jacket, yeah, and he's got a cigar. 00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:28.239 He looks like he's gonna sell a used car. 00:42:29.199 --> 00:42:32.480 The guy who made him is is from a uh a thing called Modern Toss. 00:42:32.880 --> 00:42:34.079 Have you heard of Modern Toss? 00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:35.519 I love Modern Toss. 00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:39.679 If you if you they used to have their cartoons sort of printed. 00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:40.159 Mr. 00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:42.400 Tourettez is one of the greatest characters ever. 00:42:42.719 --> 00:42:43.199 There you go. 00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:44.960 Yeah, and Jerry Flat. 00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:49.360 Jerry is famously sweary, a famously sweary character. 00:42:49.519 --> 00:42:51.119 Yeah, um, yeah. 00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:58.880 So the guy I met him at um, funnily enough, at a weird little again, a little toy thing in in derby last year. 00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:05.760 And he said, Oh, yeah, he had a Jerry figure, and it actually had uh it had um an electric cigarette in it. 00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:10.639 So he did actually smoke, and it was like, oh this is brilliant, this is the best thing I've ever seen. 00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:13.679 Um and I I just was talking to him and I said, Oh, I could do one. 00:43:13.760 --> 00:43:26.480 And so I I did one recently for him, actually, and it was Jerry, and he said, Oh yeah, put him in a like a Poochie Pattern suit, which I I had to look it up, I didn't know what Poochie Pattern was, but actually it's quite once you've seen it, it's very 70s kind of psychedelia kind of thing. 00:43:26.639 --> 00:43:30.559 Um and yeah, I did a I did a Poochie Pattern version of Jerry for for him. 00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:39.840 And so it must be really interesting, you know, when you've got a new shape to work with, like and you take your pens for a walk and you start like going over it, it must unlock new levels for you of it. 00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:50.960 Yeah, it does, because yeah, that's that's what I was saying earlier, is just when you once you st depending on what the curves are and all the st all the details and parts, it you have to basically treat it in a different way. 00:43:51.199 --> 00:43:59.760 So I do a lot of ones called um like Kid Katanas and stuff, which is a kind of a like a samurai figure, and that and the uh the figure itself has got a load. 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:00.880 Of detail on it. 00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:02.480 It's got lots and lots of detail on it. 00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:05.599 And it's kind of to the point where for me it's painful and I don't know. 00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.880 Well, cause the pens just can't flow like you want to do it. 00:44:09.760 --> 00:44:15.280 You keep hitting little pimples and bumps and ridges and edges and and yeah, and it it's really hard. 00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:22.480 So I kind of like that anything that's kind of flat, smooth, simple, um, because it's the easiest thing to react to. 00:44:22.559 --> 00:44:27.039 But uh, whereas the other ones they feel a little bit when they're very detailed, you feel like you're colouring them in. 00:44:27.119 --> 00:44:27.440 Yeah, yeah. 00:44:27.840 --> 00:44:29.519 It's a bit like bit boring. 00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:31.199 But um I think I quite enjoy that. 00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:38.719 You know, like Sagittarius, I think that's like when you know when you're a kid and you get like a um a little figure with like a little paint pot that to colour it in. 00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:39.360 That's right, yeah. 00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:41.360 You know, like an Ace of Bunny or something like that. 00:44:41.840 --> 00:44:45.920 This is like the this is taking that to the most elite level it could possibly go to. 00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:46.400 Absolutely. 00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:48.400 That's like a colouring book, isn't it? 00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:49.519 Yeah, yeah, it's quite nice. 00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:55.519 But um, yeah, you I just I just enjoy it and I just like the process really. 00:44:55.599 --> 00:45:04.079 It's just it's like you say, it's something that you can just do and and and time kind of drifts along a little bit more and it's it's it's more than that. 00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:05.440 When you're enjoying it, right? 00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:06.159 It's a remote. 00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:09.199 Where you're not I'm not thinking, oh god, I've got to do this, I've got to do that. 00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:10.239 Yeah, that's right, yeah. 00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:13.199 That's what's nice when you're doing it on your run D M B time as well. 00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:14.800 Like it's ready when it's ready, right? 00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:18.880 Yeah, so you're not hurrying, uh you'll always enjoy the process. 00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:21.760 Yeah, no one can like tighten that stress screw on you. 00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:26.400 Very occasionally somebody will like for ToyCon, for example. 00:45:26.559 --> 00:45:34.000 I I will get sent toys, and obviously I know it's got to be ready for ToyCon, so I've got X number of weeks to do it. 00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:45.679 Yeah, but by the same token, I've still got this long list of customs, and I'm like, well, this person's been waiting for a year and a half, so I can't I can't skip past that. 00:45:45.760 --> 00:46:00.239 But then I kind

of you have to be realistic and go, well, I have to do some things for Toy Con because if I don't sort of stay in the game, as it were, when when that big show's on, if I'm not there or I don't have anything on anyone's staff, you're not really part of it anymore. 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:05.039 So you in in order to remain part of it, you have to kind of do those things as well. 00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:12.079 So sometimes people's customs will wait, but mostly people are pretty good about that, they don't mind. 00:46:12.159 --> 00:46:18.719 They just as long as they're on the list and they know it's gonna happen, which it will happen, and also, like I say, I'm not holding anyone's money, so no one's lost it. 00:46:18.800 --> 00:46:19.280 Yeah, that's true. 00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:20.400 I love this, it's so rare. 00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:23.119 Like it's just like, oh, I mean I'm I am in the wait list. 00:46:24.400 --> 00:46:27.280 It's like trying to get an ADHD assessment on the NHS. 00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:32.159 I know it's coming seven years' time. 00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:35.199 But it'll be worth it. 00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:47.119 Sagittarius, you might have seen a bit of David's um artwork and not known it. 00:46:47.519 --> 00:46:55.360 Which is, which is a um an open reach box near Chelmsford Station from concrete canvas. 00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:56.400 Yeah, that's right, yeah. 00:46:56.559 --> 00:46:56.800 Okay. 00:46:57.199 --> 00:46:59.119 And the one nearest Anne Knight building. 00:46:59.360 --> 00:47:01.360 It's right near the uh the zebra crossing. 00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:03.199 Oh, well, I'll go and have a look. 00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:06.320 So when did you do you did that last was that last year you did that? 00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:07.519 That was two years ago now, wasn't it? 00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:09.199 Is that the biggest thing you've ever done? 00:47:09.280 --> 00:47:12.960 Because that, you know, like when you're used to working at this tiny baked potato scale. 00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:14.559 It's the biggest thing I've ever done recently. 00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:15.280 I'll put it that way. 00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:20.000 Yeah, when I was at college, I used to paint sort of eight-foot canvases, but um now not so much. 00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:23.199 So um, but yeah, so that was the biggest thing I've done for a long time. 00:47:23.519 --> 00:47:24.239 How did you find that? 00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:30.079 Actually, you know, working one, working in public where people can walk past and talk to you, but also working on a larger canvas. 00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:45.679 Yeah, the the working in public, but it was quite I enjoyed the bit with the working in public because people did come and talk to you, and apart from the very odd few people who sort of really did genuinely seem to think I was just vandalising it, even though I was literally making no attempt to sort of hide it or anything. 00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:59.440 I I don't know, that was a

bit weird, but um yeah, no, mostly people just wanted to talk to you and they liked it, or they you know they just wanted to ask you what it was or what it was about, and the concrete canvas thing that was well, what I was told was it had to sort of relate to Chelmsford. 00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:04.880 Yeah, so um so I did mine on I had Square Pusher on it and C Fax Acid. 00:48:05.360 --> 00:48:05.840 Amazing, yeah. 00:48:06.159 --> 00:48:09.760 So Square Pusher was a couple of years below me at school, yeah, yeah. 00:48:09.920 --> 00:48:22.239 Um, and I used to lend him records occasionally when he was when he was younger, and then he wouldn't know who I was now, of course, but um and his brother is C Fax Acid who does really cool, still doing kind of retroacid. 00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:25.679 Absolutely warp records royalty, both of them. 00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:28.400 So Sangeti, when we talk about Mo Wax earlier, right? 00:48:28.480 --> 00:48:35.760 There were some big record labels at the time that were just the coolest things you could ever imagine, and it was MoWax, Warp Records, and Ninja Tune, yeah. 00:48:36.000 --> 00:48:40.639 And and we've got two of the absolute kings of warp records in Chelmsford. 00:48:40.880 --> 00:48:41.280 Yeah, wow. 00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:42.719 I've got and they're on the open records. 00:48:42.880 --> 00:48:44.239 They've got a lot of their records, yeah. 00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:46.559 So yeah, they are, and they were on there. 00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:48.960 So yeah, I put SquarePusher on it and I put C Facts as a question. 00:48:49.360 --> 00:48:50.000 Has he seen it? 00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:54.079 I have no idea, probably not, but uh how often how often do you walk past it? 00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:58.159 Because I always think about this, like you know, you when you talk about you know, you send them off, send your toys off. 00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:02.159 But when you've done something like an open reach box and you're probably walking past that like once a week or something. 00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:03.519 Yeah, I'll go past it reasonably. 00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:04.719 But you think I'll change that? 00:49:04.800 --> 00:49:06.239 Or I would I I wish I'd done that. 00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:08.159 Yes, quite a lot, yeah. 00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:20.639 I I sort of ran out of time on it because it was a weekend and and I uh I think I'd sort of overreached myself in the way I I did it because I was doing it with brushes and stuff, which is just insanely stupid to do. 00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:24.400 The reason why I'm asking is I'm gonna do a bollard, hopefully, this year. 00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:29.360 Yeah, and um and I'm starting to be like, oh my god, how long is it gonna take and how am I gonna do it? 00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:31.760 And with a stable though, it'll take you a long time, yeah. 00:49:31.920 --> 00:49:34.320 Yeah, no, I am not doing it. 00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:36.079 I would I would break so many nibs. 00:49:36.320

--> 00:49:38.000 The whole canal would just be filled up with broken. 00:49:40.239 --> 00:49:43.360 Yeah, that would no, that it it it takes longer than you think. 00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:45.760 Yeah, but it does it depends what your approach is, doesn't it? 00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:54.239 Because like like when I see a lot of the the guys uh spray painting, I mean they get huge areas covered really quick, and they're really good with them, really precise. 00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:59.119 That's I I love going to see them do their stuff, and I mean there's some terrific pieces around as well. 00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:21.519 Uh mine was just nothing like theirs at all, and I I I I do feel like I probably could have if I'd had a bit more time, I probably could have stenciled it a bit more and it would have been quicker and all the rest of it, but it would have been different, and I I didn't want to do that, I just wanted to paint it, so I painted it with brushes and acrylic paints, which was idiotic, really. 00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:33.599 Yeah, so you bate what's funny is like you've done graffiti derived artwork, but then in your fine art materials with like brushes and stuff, trying to replicate the graffiti, the original graffiti style. 00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:38.719 Yes, this is like this is like graffiti full circle, it's like ob Oberos the snake that's eating his tail. 00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:39.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:44.320 It was yeah, I don't know why I went that way, but that's what I went for, yeah. 00:50:44.400 --> 00:50:52.960 Yeah, it's just again, it was you know, you've got the box, it's there, and it's kind of like it's got locks on it and stuff, and bits that are in your way, and you're kind of right, well, I've got to get it round that. 00:50:53.039 --> 00:50:59.039 And I'd uh I had a head on it, and the head didn't quite work round the lock and stuff, and it was that was quite irritating. 00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:02.719 So I know Square Pusher's eyes gone funny, like a weird like lock eye. 00:51:02.960 --> 00:51:04.639 The only thing is with that as well, isn't it? 00:51:04.719 --> 00:51:09.760 Is it you don't have to be miles off for it to then I thought it doesn't, it's not enough like him. 00:51:09.920 --> 00:51:15.039 Yeah, and I was like I mean, he looks different all the time, sometimes with beard, sometimes with long fair. 00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:16.480 Well, I kept faffing around with him. 00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:19.280 Sometimes with a bass, sometimes with like a a a 303. 00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:21.039 Yeah, yeah. 00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:26.559 I'm lovely, Sangir. 00:51:26.719 --> 00:51:28.000 I'm nerding out so much. 00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:29.519 I'm loving it. 00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:31.280 I'm absolutely in my nerd heaven. 00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:35.760 No, you you've done some you've done some like sneaker customs as well. 00:51:36.159 --> 00:51:36.559 Have you? 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:43.119 How does someone go about like asking for a sneaker custom and then do they actually wear them or do they just put them on the shelves? 00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:45.440 Um that's a good question. 00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:46.880 I don't know. 00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:47.519 I don't know. 00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:53.599 I I that people just have occasionally asked me, and occasionally I've just done them because I felt like doing some trainers. 00:51:53.679 --> 00:52:03.679 So it's usually actually if I'm if I'm flicking through the the trainer sales, because I buy a lot of trainers, um, and I see something basically white and leather. 00:52:03.920 --> 00:52:04.960 It has to be white and leather. 00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:10.159 I don't I don't really want to do canvas stuff and because the pens bleed and they just don't behave the right way. 00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:18.960 Um so if I've got that, then I yeah, basically you do have to be a little bit careful if you want to wear them because you've got to strip their factory finish first. 00:52:19.039 --> 00:52:29.199 So you know you can buy there's a company called Anglers that that makes all these products that you can do that with, and it's quite straightforward to strip it down and and you will get it back to essentially white leather. 00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:40.320 Yeah, and then I will mask it up, I will spray paint it, and then I will draw on it, and and you will get and there's yeah, there's a chap in London who's bought three pairs of me now, I think. 00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:45.679 Um have you ever been approached by any of these sneaker brands to actually do like a proper full full collab on it? 00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:48.400 No, I just I don't really push them too much for that. 00:52:48.639 --> 00:52:59.920 No, but you know, like when you look at someone like Dave White, for example, like who he you know, he started out like he did some Jordan customs and things, and then you know, ends up before you know he's got his his his Jordan, which is what one of the all-time classics. 00:53:00.079 --> 00:53:04.079 Yeah, well, you know, it'd be nice, but uh yeah, I don't I don't think that's gonna happen. 00:53:04.239 --> 00:53:07.599 But um yeah, I the the superstars that I did for that guy, he wears them, yeah. 00:53:07.679 --> 00:53:10.079 And he wore he wore one pair out, so he asked me for another pair. 00:53:10.159 --> 00:53:10.480 So yeah. 00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:13.280 Well uh are you like don't do don't wear them. 00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:13.840 Yeah, yeah. 00:53:13.920 --> 00:53:16.400 No, I don't I want him to wear them, to be honest with you. 00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:22.559 Again, the only people that the only people that can wear run DMB superstars are run DMC, right? 00:53:23.199 --> 00:53:24.480 Anyone else that no? 00:53:25.199 --> 00:53:28.639 He wears his around, he's he's yeah, he's he likes them, he wears them all the time. 00:53:29.119 --> 00:53:31.039 Fat laces, yeah, he does actually. 00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:33.599

Yeah, and he he was I'll tell you what he was good at. 00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:35.280 He was good at putting different colour laces. 00:53:36.559 --> 00:53:37.519 I'd never thought of it. 00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:40.079 I just gave him back the ones with the white laces, and he put a different pair of. 00:53:43.920 --> 00:53:44.960 Well, he put a different colour lace. 00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:46.719 I thought, they look so much better. 00:53:46.880 --> 00:53:49.599 Uh it just look literally just for changing the lace colour. 00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:51.599 I thought it was miles better. 00:53:55.519 --> 00:54:02.960 You know, if anyone wants to start doing this, yeah, you know, and get inspired by it, yeah, you know, how can how can they how can they get started? 00:54:03.039 --> 00:54:05.039 Because these vinyl toys are pretty expensive. 00:54:05.119 --> 00:54:06.239 Anyway, it's a big commitment. 00:54:06.480 --> 00:54:08.719 Yeah, but the the things like the the monies and stuff. 00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:20.239 If you if you if for example, if you went along to ToyCon in May, so it's right at the start of May, there there's sellers there that just sell the the toys and they have all the old kid robot stuff, so they've got all the monies and stuff. 00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:22.719 They're about you'd probably get one for a 10 or 50. 00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:22.960 Really? 00:54:23.199 --> 00:54:23.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:54:23.920 --> 00:54:24.400 Not too bad. 00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:25.280 Not too bad. 00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:36.239 Uh for a reasonable size toy, it'd be blank vinyl, go to Halford's, buy some uh car body paint, so the car body primer, yeah, spray it with that, and you're good to go. 00:54:36.320 --> 00:54:37.199 You can you can paint on that. 00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:37.679 Really? 00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:42.239 And you could grab some sharpies or poskas or anything, and yeah, as long as you prime that vinyl with it. 00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:46.239 And like I say, Halford's quite like carb primer be absolutely fine. 00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:47.440 Why do you have to prime it? 00:54:47.519 --> 00:54:48.320 What's the importance of that? 00:54:48.559 --> 00:54:51.440 The primer stops it being that kind of slippery plastic. 00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:57.599 Oh, okay, and basically the paint sticks to the surface and the primer sticks to the plastic, so that's that's how you get around that. 00:54:57.840 --> 00:55:03.280 And then when you're finished, like do you how how do you do you varnish it or do you spray some fixer on it? 00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:04.880 No, it's it's varnished, yeah, yeah. 00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:08.559 Like a kind of standard varnish you'd use on models, like like Warhammer fixer. 00:55:08.719 --> 00:55:10.079 Like a spray, like a spray varnish. 00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:10.800 Yeah. 00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:14.000 Well, yeah, because I felt a bit naughty I felt naughty even touching them earlier. 00:55:14.079 --> 00:55:16.480 Like, I was

like, oh, I've got gloves on. 00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:18.239 They have not been varnished, so yeah. 00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:20.400 But they'll they'll be fine, yeah. 00:55:20.480 --> 00:55:27.199 I I I handle them a lot, obviously, while I'm doing them, but it it it does help kind of not to handle them too much, but yeah, it's fine. 00:55:27.599 --> 00:55:31.519 But do you think that could could anyone just grab anything and just start drawing on it and customise it? 00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:32.239 Yes, of course. 00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:35.519 We we had this we had this young uh graffiti artist Grubbin. 00:55:36.320 --> 00:55:36.719 Uh Grub. 00:55:37.440 --> 00:55:43.119 And he was brilliant because he because uh and I uh and I bought him some Hornby train trains because he's the only one that's painting a train. 00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:44.559 So me and Adam have both got one. 00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:45.440 Oh right, okay. 00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:49.440 It was fantastic. 00:55:49.599 --> 00:55:53.360 It wasn't just like one side customised, he was doing loads of tiny little um tags on it. 00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:59.199 Yeah, there's one you can get from uh he probably love is one you can get from America called um All City vinyl. 00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:01.920 Yeah, it's uh it's a half subway train, it's about that wide. 00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:03.360 Oh, I've seen yours, yeah, it looks amazing. 00:56:03.679 --> 00:56:10.480 And if you buy two of them, they do actually slot together so you can have a a a full carriage, and that they are amazing and they're really nice to work on. 00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:17.119 I I really want to go at this just for I mean, mainly like I want a creative output, but also like just the chill of doing it. 00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:22.960 Yeah, you know, like saying, you know, like you see all these stitch of bitch sessions and like art sessions and pubs and stuff. 00:56:23.119 --> 00:56:31.760 I feel like we could sit around a table doing this and just come away like you know, just glowing. 00:56:32.000 --> 00:56:40.239 I think that's the thing about it is if you are if you wanted to do it, the the the thing about it is to not to get hung up on doing some somebody else's stuff. 00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:40.800 Yeah, yeah. 00:56:41.039 --> 00:56:53.039 You know, I've I've seen guys who do those the the the half trains and they're just reproducing Don D carriages and oh yeah, really famous ones, and you're just like it's great, it really looks like it, but like to what end? 00:56:53.119 --> 00:57:01.920 Because you you've just done a drawing of someone else's carriage, and like the whole point of Dondi was he was you know climbing on trains in yards and painting them, and that was the that was supposed to be the fun. 00:57:02.159 --> 00:57:25.679 I saw the best central line painted the other day, a whole carriage, and it said, see it, spray it, sort it up, and it just honestly it looked it made me feel like that wild style New York sort of vibe, and and and it's just the fact that they're sprayed at such a big scale with such a good gag, so well executed. 00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:32.719 Love that how amazing. 00:57:32.880 --> 00:57:33.519 Yeah, how amazing. 00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:34.800 I mean strangeless. 00:57:35.360 --> 00:57:40.480 I kind of I kind of want one, but I feel like my wife would just make me get rid of it straight away. 00:57:40.639 --> 00:57:43.119 She'd be like, Can't believe you bought more junk in the house. 00:57:43.280 --> 00:57:44.159 Not junk, but you know what I mean. 00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:48.639 If you don't understand the culture, it's just like more stuff in the house. 00:57:48.800 --> 00:57:52.400 I think, yeah, I think my my wife would not collect them given the choice. 00:57:52.559 --> 00:57:53.840 Yeah, so put it that way, yeah. 00:57:54.079 --> 00:57:56.239 But they are absolutely beautiful. 00:57:56.480 --> 00:58:00.639 I would I I but I'd love to see like a ten-foot one, you know, I'd love to see like a gundam lift. 00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:04.559 Yeah, I'm sorry, I I would love to do a really like ridiculously large one. 00:58:04.639 --> 00:58:14.559 I don't know how I would do it, but I'd can can we organise that we just go and um paint Judge Tyndall one day in run DMB style? 00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:16.239 It might be a bit of a giveaway. 00:58:16.480 --> 00:58:24.719 I do think I think for concrete canvas, we should go down a 3D scan Judge Tyndall, the statue, get him replicated, right? 00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:27.039 And do a run run DMB one. 00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:28.159 It would look so good. 00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:31.280 Having a nice little mini Judge Tyndall would be quite funny. 00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:31.679 Yeah, yeah. 00:58:31.760 --> 00:58:32.400 Can I commission that? 00:58:32.559 --> 00:58:33.519 That would actually be really good. 00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:36.079 Well, if I you'd need somebody to make it for you. 00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:36.960 I don't really make that. 00:58:37.199 --> 00:58:39.679 No, no, no, if if I make it, you can you'll draw it. 00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:40.239 Of course. 00:58:40.480 --> 00:58:41.199 In about eight years. 00:58:42.320 --> 00:58:43.360 I'm just waiting for that. 00:58:44.159 --> 00:58:46.800 It's gonna be one one day, David's gonna get in touch. 00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:48.880 He's gonna be like, I've I've drawn that, I've drawn that judge. 00:58:49.280 --> 00:58:50.000 Who who's this? 00:58:50.800 --> 00:58:52.400 For you, Nick, I'll make an exception. 00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:54.400 Oh, there you go. 00:58:54.960 --> 00:58:55.519 How amazing. 00:58:55.760 --> 00:58:57.119 Right, so I'm gonna have I'm gonna have a go. 00:58:57.199 --> 00:58:59.199 I want to chill out and and and do one. 00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:01.679 I might customize one of my aspirin halers, actually. 00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:03.199 I think that'd be a nice canvas to do it. 00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:04.559 Honestly, it's so easy.

00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:05.599 Yeah, wicked. 00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:07.360 With all everything I've learned here. 00:59:07.679 --> 00:59:08.719 Absolutely amazing. 00:59:08.960 --> 00:59:13.519 Big up, and this good thing, like you could, you know, like down the youthie, you know, you get your kids to do this sort of thing. 00:59:13.599 --> 00:59:16.800 I think it's it I think it'd be such a great mental health exercise for everyone. 00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:27.679 Funny you should say that, because we've just bought some little dollies, wooden ones, yeah, um, to make them into the called worry dolls for young people that don't have families, and that's the concept. 00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:36.400 Um, and I did speak to Adam about it to do some signage on it, but we've got the young people who will be painting it, and then we'll stick the stickers on it with a little message. 00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:37.039 Amazing. 00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:37.920 This is amazing. 00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:43.199 But Lynn, you know, when you see how far you can push it, like with this fine art and stuff and this detail, it's so cool. 00:59:43.440 --> 00:59:44.079 Yeah, definitely. 00:59:44.320 --> 00:59:50.239 The key rock no defo big up 100%. 00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:50.719 Love it. 00:59:50.960 --> 01:00:00.239 It's just you know it's just it's an opportunity to do what you want and not what other people want, which is why I don't let other people control what it's about. 01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:02.239 But I'm just loving this alien theme. 01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:04.480 Oh, yeah, it's again just take any that you want. 01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:05.840 Davidson is fine. 01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:08.159 Um just take any home. 01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:09.119 I'll have all of them then. 01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:11.360 I've got five kids. 01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:24.079 Um but isn't it isn't it mad like this this amazing culture is happening in Chelmsford at Highland Studio, you know, next to Natalie Guinea Pig and all these other people that are there doing like all like different stuff. 01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:26.320 I would never have thought that. 01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:31.679 When you guys were saying Highlands, there's no way I would have thought this was being during your lunch break. 01:00:32.000 --> 01:00:38.880 You thought you thought it'd be some frousy art and they're gonna bring out this like amazing no, I was like, whoa! Yeah. 01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:43.599 More than dope, mate. 01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:45.199 Wait till you see the pictures. 01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:47.920 All right, thank hey, thanks for listening to Are You Creative? 01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:48.719 Thank you, Sengator. 01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:49.840 Thank you, Nick. 01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:50.960 Thank you, David. 01:00:51.199 --> 01:00:51.920 Thank you for having me. 01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:54.079 And thank you very much, Adam, at local media. 01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:56.639 Follow us at r.u.creative.podcast. 01:00:56.719 --> 01:00:57.519 Let us know you're listening. 01:00:57.679 --> 01:00:58.400 Send us messages. 01:00:58.559 --> 01:01:00.000 I love it when you hear people are listening. 01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:01.599 Could you want to put your number on then? 01:01:01.760 --> 01:01:01.920 What? 01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:04.000 Or has they got drop a miss call? 01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:06.000 No, you can you can get in contact on Instagram. 01:01:06.159 --> 01:01:06.559 Oh right. 01:01:06.719 --> 01:01:09.760 Yeah, and then um we've got loads of more great guests coming up as well. 01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:12.400 Oh my god, I've got so many good episodes coming out soon. 01:01:12.639 --> 01:01:15.440 This will come out after them, but you know, whatever. 01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:18.400 As long as not two years. 01:01:18.719 --> 01:01:22.000 David, David, where can people um see your work? 01:01:22.239 --> 01:01:25.760 Uh so um on Instagram, I'm at run D M B vinyl. 01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:27.519 Run D M B vinyl. 01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:27.920 Yeah. 01:01:28.079 --> 01:01:29.920 What's your favourite run D M C lyric? 01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:32.400 Oh well now you ask. 01:01:33.519 --> 01:01:34.639 Jesus, oh my god. 01:01:34.880 --> 01:01:39.440 It's the king of toys! There is none! He gets eleven pounds for his dungeon!