Full Transcript for Throwback Episode: Book I "What They Don't See"

he say, I want to be successful, but not by myself, bro. 00:06:13 Speaker 3: I want to be up here by myself. It's about my people for real. 00:06:16 Speaker 1: He joined our podcast off the merit of black men, black communities, in the merit of the relationship that y'all have for whatever the depth of that is. And knowing that he does the numbers that he does and knowing that we're up and coming podcast is growing and to say, Hey, no, I'm honored to be here. And I want to, I want to be a part of it. I'm going to help. I want to join in this fuse together in this content space. We didn't have to do that. I respect that so much. And then now you say he has, I seen it in the stream. Cornell West is like, who's running for president. It's like, bro, It's crazy. 00:06:53 Speaker 3: I don't know. 00:06:54 Speaker 2: I sit and. 00:06:55 Speaker 4: Had a conversation with this man. 100%. 00:06:59 Speaker 2: That's fire. Absolutely. Congratulations to you, Blackman. Continue to push. Continue to push. All right, man. For this week, are we still doing some more league and stuff? Yeah. Well, you can go on. 00:07:10 Speaker 3: You can go on. 00:07:10 Speaker 2: Bring in the drop. It really happened this week, man. It really happened in the world this week. But for the drop, as far as you guys know where you're at, you know what we do. 00:07:18 Speaker 3: This is. 00:07:19 Speaker 4: Another week in the books as we just talked about, man, with a little bit with this podcast. It's about black men having conversations, elevating those conversations and spreading them to the world so they can hear and be more familiar with us. 00:07:33 Speaker 2: This is chapter 58, Mo. Yeah. Chapter 58 is what they don't see. Yes, sir. Dealing with embarrassment. We talked about this a little bit with crying at the lunch table. 00:07:46 Speaker 3: Kind of. Yeah. And to an extent. Yeah, you're right. You're absolutely right. I thought about that at some point. 00:07:53 Speaker 2: I mean, some things need to be revisited. 00:07:56 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:07:57 Speaker 2: In this space. Yeah. 00:08:00 Speaker 3: I can't. It's been so long. I can't quite remember the depths of it. 00:08:04 Speaker 1: But I think a lot has transpired since then in a year's time. 00:08:08 Speaker 3: But before we get into that, there's a couple of things. 00:08:11 Speaker 2: Can't remember the depths of what? 00:08:14 Speaker 1: Of that conversation, crying at the lunch table. I remember that. I mean, talk about those moments, but I don't know how much we belabored it as adults. 00:08:25 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? 00:08:25 Speaker 1: I think that I was thinking about, you know, things that hadn't been spoken. Like, yeah, that's childhood more so, but like being grown. And I'll get into it like, because it's just like, bro, when the last time you heard a grown man say I was embarrassed? 00:08:39 Speaker 2: I was just about to say, man, I was still thinking childhood stuff. I can't think of. See? 00:08:44 Speaker 3: Because even if we do, we bury it. Anyway, don't even see. Look, I'm about to drop the bar like battle rap too quick. 00:08:50 Speaker 2: Like, hold on. 00:08:52 Speaker 1: Before we get there. Before we get there. Before we get there. See, I got me back in my rapper bag again. 00:08:59 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Just like a year ago. 00:09:01 Speaker 2: It's triggered that quick, right? 00:09:03 Speaker 3: Boy, that quick. 00:09:05 Speaker 2: Hot nylon fire. 00:09:06 Speaker 1: All that. 00:09:07 Speaker 3: The cheesecake and walk and all that. You know what I mean? That's funny. But so Spike Lou recently did an odd Friday. Yes. 00:09:20 Speaker 2: That's a grown, embarrassed moment. Oh, man. Hold on. 00:09:23 Speaker 3: I need to walk on this joint. 00:09:28 Speaker 1: I need the Joe Budden style storytelling when you give us walkers too. 00:09:33 Speaker 2: The crazy thing is it ain't even going to be one already, but go. 00:09:37 Speaker 1: No, it's what? Rich being rich, what we witness with our old two eyes. It's just a story. 00:09:43 Speaker 2: I want to hear it. 00:09:44 Speaker 3: I want to hear it. All right. 00:09:46 Speaker 1: So we get the, you know, we check it in. So I think it's going to be on YouTube. So I stand corrected last week. I told y'all YouTube. My bad if y'all didn't check it out. It was on Twitch, even though I don't have a, I don't have a Twitch, but. so I'm on I'm on FIFO's Instagram, and he's live, and I'm like waiting for him to drop the drop. I see that little bottle in the middle. I said, oh, man, okay. I see Spike over there. He's kind of kicking and chilling. 00:10:12 Speaker 3: I'm like, okay. I'm seeing people in the comments. FIFO look like he was already vibing out. I was like, all right. 00:10:18 Speaker 1: They get this thing started. I mean, what was it? Song 2. Spike Lee becomes Dwayne The Rock Johnson. When he was a heel, this man was like, it doesn't matter what your name is. Like, dude, this guy was... What was you drinking, bro? That's the first question. 00:10:37 Speaker 2: That was just some tequila, man. But I was mostly putting on. It was content over everything. But yeah, it was just tequila. 00:10:44 Speaker 1: What was your mindset going into outside of the music part of it? The. 00:10:51 Speaker 1: The Spike Lou off air, like the I'm having fun, I'm just me without the- Having fun, right. 00:10:56 Speaker 2: That's the only reason that I. 00:10:57 Speaker 4: Was drinking because I don't as much as I used to, but I wanted to be able to relax. I wanted to be able to have fun. That's hard for me. 00:11:05 Speaker 2: Yeah. There's a reason. So that's part of the reason probably why I had too much to drink because I really wanted to have fun. 00:11:11 Speaker 4: It was something that I was looking forward to in the sense of Southern music. 00:11:15 Speaker 2: I call that my wheelhouse. 00:11:17 Speaker 4: Yeah. So I wanted to make sure I was loose enough not to go

in there and overthink stuff and just be able to have fun, play. 00:11:24 Speaker 2: To the crowd. I really, really wanted to win. I ain't going to hold you. I wanted to win. I know you did. 00:11:32 Speaker 3: I know you did. 00:11:32 Speaker 2: They biased over there. 00:11:33 Speaker 1: They was. Man, I didn't even get. I think I got to like round eight. I wanted to find out what like. Do you got your list around still? 00:11:42 Speaker 2: Nah, FIFO got it. I don't got it. 00:11:44 Speaker 3: Damn, that's all right, bro. 00:11:45 Speaker 2: I don't even remember. 00:11:47 Speaker 3: I really don't even remember. It was about round eight, bro. I said, my man. 00:11:52 Speaker 2: Was he blowing me out in round eight? 00:11:56 Speaker 3: Nah, he wasn't. It really was close the whole time, bro. 00:12:00 Speaker 1: There was a couple of times where, because you took the lead for a moment, and then he came back at the three spot, and I was like, okay. But, I mean, it was close the whole time. I just, I still don't know. I don't know what you're, like Lil Wayne is your guy and I don't know why you did him like that. I just like, bro, that's why I said, oh, he drunk. I said, this brother had, this is literally play the hits version of the South right now. 00:12:24 Speaker 3: And this guy plays, what was that? 00:12:28 Speaker 2: I was full troll mode. I was trolling them. 00:12:30 Speaker 1: But they work though. Boy, let me tell you this before we move on. Like, I want to commend you on being able to like bring a real performative aspect, I feel like you were extending yourself. I'm not saying that's not a part of your character or personality. It just ain't been what I've seen. 00:12:49 Speaker 2: So I get what you're saying. It's really not, bro. Okay. It's really, really not. 00:12:54 Speaker 4: And that's what, that was my goal going into it too, which is probably why I had a little too. 00:12:58 Speaker 2: Much, but that's what I wanted to do. I had a, I had, I heard, I had a conversation. When was the next night? 00:13:04 Speaker 4: But yeah, about, I was having a conversation with a marketing strategist about some of the things that, for the brand that need to be done as far as being more performative can't. 00:13:13 Speaker 2: Be something that you shy away from. 00:13:15 Speaker 4: If you want to be noticed for doing this, you can't just say, oh, I want to do it my way. Some things you got to open up to and be like, okay, I'm going to do this because this is what needs to be done to be successful. I can't just be stuck in my way and be like, I don't want to do that. 00:13:30 Speaker 2: I don't want to go here. I don't want to be around these people. You know what I'm saying? That's what it is. 00:13:37 Speaker 3: It's important to get better at that. No, it's important. 00:13:41 Speaker 1: It's very important to get outside of the box sometimes. What I've learned, bro, because I used to be like being a rapper at one point. I used to be just

uncompromising with anything. You know what I'm saying? You won't compromise. 00:13:56 Speaker 3: How's this? 00:13:57 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? Straight Philly or Tardo style. But I've realized even now, just in this social media and this podcast space, I'm learning the game as far as how can you play the game. 00:14:09 Speaker 3: Like J. 00:14:09 Speaker 1: Cole had to learn how to put out a workout hit and still be lyrical while coming up with a hit because he knew his music wouldn't be put on the radio otherwise. So that what you did, I looked at as you were having fun, but it was a good strategy to go in in regards to like I'm building a profile. I'm building something here and I can get behind the mic, but I also got showmanship. I'm your salesman. I can sell it. We talk about it. So I appreciate you doing it. I'm glad you had fun. I hope that, I hope, was you hungover? 00:14:41 Speaker 4: I think I was about two days now, I believe. Oh, you can't do that. I had some meetings and stuff the next day, so I had to bounce up. 00:14:51 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, you had to thug it out. It was a long time. 00:14:53 Speaker 4: It took a minute to get, like, you know how sometimes you'll be the next day and you'll be maneuvering, but you're like, God damn, I'm tired. 00:15:02 Speaker 2: I feel like I got hit by a truck. Bro, bro. Yeah, one of those. 00:15:06 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:15:06 Speaker 2: Like, shit. So I don't do that too much. And I don't want to be known for daddy. Of course. 00:15:11 Speaker 4: I want to make sure that ain't part of my persona. But every now and then, just to have fun like that. When you get old, boy, you understand, like, it ain't, I can't do that. 00:15:19 Speaker 1: Boy. 00:15:19 Speaker 2: I commend people that can go out and do that shit every night. Nigga, that shit is fucking crazy. No, it really is. 00:15:24 Speaker 3: I mean. 00:15:25 Speaker 1: Man. 00:15:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. 00:15:27 Speaker 3: But yeah, that was dope. I'm glad it was just, again, it was just good. 00:15:31 Speaker 4: I was scared the next day because I couldn't really remember that I may have went too far. 00:15:34 Speaker 2: That was my biggest. Talk about embarrassment. That's what I may have been embarrassed about because I wasn't really sure. 00:15:40 Speaker 3: What were you thinking that was a possibility in real life? 00:15:43 Speaker 2: I don't know. I had no clue, to be honest with you. I had no clue. 00:15:47 Speaker 4: They called the next day and was commending me about the performance and stuff. So I just didn't have, I really didn't have a solid idea. When I talked to them, they said, nah, man, it was good. We didn't go too far. We appreciate it. 00:15:58 Speaker 2: And so it worked out. 00:16:01 Speaker 1: OK, man. 00:16:01 Speaker 3: And I think I mean, again, and we'll move on. 00:16:04 Speaker 1: But like we talked about support a few episodes ago, but like it was a pleasure to watch. And, you know, and you even was reacting to some of our texts in real time. 00:16:12 Speaker 3: So that was cool. 00:16:13 Speaker 2: It was it. 00:16:14 Speaker 3: It was it was just cool to see that. 00:16:16 Speaker 1: And I mean, like I said, I was I seen I was looking at the messages in there and they was they was there for it. Like, they really was here for it. It's like, man, Spike didn't turn heel tonight. I'm here for it. Like, all of them, they got what you were doing. So, I'm telling you, I seen the love. And people, they even had fun, like, joking on you. Like, they was with you and they was joking on you, but they really enjoy you. 00:16:38 Speaker 3: You've really carved a lane and a mark over there. 00:16:41 Speaker 1: So, I think, like, from you doing it, you know, professional and then, like, kind of loosening up the tie like you did on our Fridays. 00:16:47 Speaker 3: That was dope, man. That's what we do, man. That was dope. 00:16:50 Speaker 2: Big and better things to come for all of us. Absolutely, brother. 00:16:53 Speaker 4: I appreciate you checking it out and listening. I'm always surprised, you know, when people show support. I don't know. 00:16:58 Speaker 2: It's just a me thing. I'm always surprised. Oh, you seen that? So, yeah, I really appreciate you. Oh, that probably has something to do with being an only child and the shit that we've discussed about no dad being there and people really not usually coming and fucking. 00:17:12 Speaker 4: Yeah, that probably got something to do with that. So I probably have it in my mindset as an older adult. I ain't really talked through this in no therapy or nothing, but I do probably got it in my mindset as an older adult. All you just got to do with it. Like nobody's going to come or be paying attention. Just don't worry about that. So then when somebody does comment on it, it's like, Oh shit. It makes you feel good though. 00:17:32 Speaker 2: Definitely. 00:17:34 Speaker 1: Is it easier to do that too? Um, we talked about before, like controlling your expectations. Is it easier to kind of, not put any expectation in regards to like somebody going to show up that way. I don't have to feel a type of way if you don't. 00:17:48 Speaker 2: Hell no. Not for me. And that's probably part of it too. I put a lot of pressure on myself. 00:17:57 Speaker 4: It's been like, I don't even know where it comes from. I've been like that since I was a child. So I'm not sure if I told the story here before, but just to speak to what you said, I remember my, Second year playing football. 00:18:12 Speaker 2: I was eight years old. 00:18:14 Speaker 4: And I can't remember if I told this story. If I have, just tell me. But it was my second year playing football. I was eight years old. I was a little fat kid. So I was playing on the line my first year. The second year, I played receiver or like tight end, right? So right before it was the nighttime game, it was a big game and shit. And right before the halftime, I went out for a

pass and it hit me like right in my chest and I dropped. My mom, dad, nobody ain't there, but nigga, I'm bawling, crying. And the coach came up to me, he was like, you hurt? 00:18:46 Speaker 2: What's wrong? 00:18:47 Speaker 4: And I never, he was probably one of the best coaches that I had, but. 00:18:50 Speaker 2: He came over, he was like, well, what's wrong? I'm like, man, I dropped a ball at eight, crying like that for dropping a ball. 00:18:57 Speaker 4: Nigga, I had never done that shit before in my life, but it's just the expectation that I had, and he pushed me away. 00:19:02 Speaker 2: He said, man, nigga, I thought something was wrong with you. 00:19:05 Speaker 4: Like, everybody drop a ball, but it was just My mind said that I felt like I had to be perfect. I was doing this and trying to show no one else other than myself. So I hold myself to a higher regard, even if it was. 00:19:19 Speaker 2: Somebody that watched it. Like, I'm trying to be perfect. 00:19:21 Speaker 4: It come off sometimes good or bad, but I'm trying to be the fucking, you know, I don't have to ask if it's something I like to answer your question. 00:19:29 Speaker 2: So it ain't really if people are there or not. 00:19:31 Speaker 3: So what do. 00:19:34 Speaker 1: So, because you, it seems like you don't, we talked about, you don't kind of embrace the milestone. It's not, you don't embrace the milestones in real time or like the acknowledgements a lot in real time. And so, and then it seems like you're experiencing for yourself are much higher than people would be and you care a lot more about if you disappoint or don't disappoint yourself in what you're doing and then you was the only child and you kind of move on the solo dolo tip what do people serve for you right now in regards to like fandom or like just support what what can people actually give you that you can't give yourself kind of based on how you are that makes you be like man i needed that from elsewhere not within oh. 00:20:22 Speaker 4: That's a great conversation i mean that's a great question um i like what people can still be themselves and be authentic so how people serve me is me being able to be comfortable enough to say what i feel and then being able to agree with it or challenge it You know what I'm saying? Like just being able to have conversations with people in authenticity like this. This serves me in a sense of I know you're not going to get on here and cater to me, you know, or don't expect anything like that from me. So we can get on here and have authentic conversation and bounce ideas off of each other. 00:21:00 Speaker 2: You can say, man, I was way off. He was way off or. 00:21:03 Speaker 4: Whatever it may be, but you get to show up as your authentic self and have authentic conversations. 00:21:08 Speaker 2: That's how people serve me now. 00:21:09 Speaker 4: I don't have to agree with you. I don't got to disagree with you. We can have the conversation. I can listen to your thoughts, share with you what I think, and you can respond back. You don't have to get to a place where it's a dislike or disdain because of what we're talking about. But just being able to show up and be your authentic self around people and with people, that's what I get. 00:21:31 Speaker 2: The most from. 00:21:32 Speaker 4: All the judgment and shit comes from me. I'm going to do that for myself. So I don't really care. It don't do a lot for me. Like, I appreciate when people give me positive feedback. Of course, everybody likes that. I enjoy when people be like, hey, man, I like that. 00:21:45 Speaker 2: That was dope. That was good or whatever it may be to a certain extent. 00:21:49 Speaker 4: But I get more from people just being in authentic selves with me when people can be comfortable around me. 00:21:54 Speaker 2: I got to put a mask on. 00:21:55 Speaker 4: I have to like, oh, I think he this way. So I'm going to act this way. They acting fake. It ain't the type of person they are. that's what I get the most from people. You can just have a real conversation and just be real with each other. It ain't necessarily even got to be a conversation, just sharing real emotions. Those, that's what I get most. 00:22:13 Speaker 2: From people today. 00:22:14 Speaker 4: Because you run into so much fake shit, so much social media shit where people only posting the best or whatever it may be. Man, my barber said some of the realest shit to me about two or three weeks ago that most. 00:22:23 Speaker 2: Men won't even say. 00:22:25 Speaker 4: And, I mean, nobody knows his name here except a couple people listening. But he was saying, he's a couple years older than me, he was like, going through stuff with his baby mom and all of these different things. And he was in a genuine moment, jokingly, but still genuine, saying, man, how long do I got to do this? Just in the sense of, like, just life is fucking hard. How transparent are people with you? Let me rephrase that. How often do you get to be that trans? Because he and I have a relationship. I mean, he's been coming my way for 10 years. 00:22:58 Speaker 2: We're friends now. 00:22:59 Speaker 4: I have a question around this, too. I just referred to him. I just referred to him as that people don't know what I'm talking about. But this is my friend. 00:23:07 Speaker 2: And very rarely do you get to be vulnerable with your friends. Like, and ask a real question like, man, like you said, a couple of weeks, man, I'm tired, bro. I don't know if I can carry on. 00:23:19 Speaker 4: And not in the sense that he wanted to kill himself or nothing crazy like that, but he's just like, man, some days I wake up and I ask myself, like, bro, how long do I got to do this shit? 00:23:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, bro. 00:23:26 Speaker 2: Like, this is hard, fighting with my baby mom and trying to get custody and doing these things. 00:23:31 Speaker 4: So I just thought that was real. And that's what I appreciate most, when

people can be real with you and you can be real with them in safe spaces. 00:23:39 Speaker 1: I want to ask something based on that, too. And it kind of makes a little more sense with what I'm going to ask, but I wanted to kind of elaborate a little more on that. it's such a challenge, bro, because it's like you go through life and sometimes it's just like you're looking for a finish line, right? 00:23:56 Speaker 3: Like there's an end point. 00:23:58 Speaker 1: There's a completion point because we are conditioned that way. 00:24:04 Speaker 3: When we were kids, we leave. 00:24:06 Speaker 1: In elementary, we're going to middle school, high school, some of us college, but there's finish lines. But then when you become an adult, it's like. 00:24:15 Speaker 2: This crap race. it's a constant race. Yeah. 00:24:18 Speaker 1: And there's really no finish line. Cause even when you achieve, you're still going. So it's, it's very hard. I've been talking to my wife and just really trying to make peace with things. 00:24:29 Speaker 3: And it's, it's really hard, bro. 00:24:31 Speaker 1: Like at moments, like I know me and you, we've talked and me and her had a conversation and it's just like, as of recent, I'm, I'm just having a really hard time without my family being around. 00:24:44 Speaker 2: And, You mean like your mom and your sister? 00:24:47 Speaker 4: Sister, my dad. It's a real challenge for me that... You're around your wife's. 00:24:55 Speaker 2: Family, right? 00:24:56 Speaker 3: Yes. My mama's side, yeah. 00:24:58 Speaker 2: I'm sure that has to do something too, right? Like she's there with her family. You ain't there with your people necessarily. 00:25:04 Speaker 1: It doesn't... you know, the relationship that we had with her family, as far as the dad side, it was a little bit more merged. So I could, I would like rock over there. Like that's my people's too. You know what I'm saying? But like here, it's not necessarily the same. The love is there, but it's, I think the common commonality is just not quite the same. 00:25:31 Speaker 3: Uh, so, but just for me, just the, the pull-up action, I'm pulling up on mom. What y'all doing? Ah, we're coming through. What we about to do? What y'all doing? Let's go get a bike. 00:25:39 Speaker 1: Just that simple and I realized like you were talking about a while back what's like you got 70 more time 30 more 20 and it's just like as we get on this journey of being successful things really and I'm having another child it just puts things in perspective for me what's like really important and it's like that's what I want to do to be in present episode because like how like Vince said like how good is it to be successful if I'm the only one you know what I mean and so it's. 00:26:05 Speaker 2: I gotta ignore this shit by myself Yeah, so. 00:26:07 Speaker 1: It's a challenge. You know, it's God answered my prayer. He blessed us to be able to move here. It's just a give and take thing. You know, I strongly

dislike living in Indiana, but I love my people, my little circle that I had, my little friends that I had. 00:26:21 Speaker 3: But I love living here. I have nobody. I mean, really like that. 00:26:26 Speaker 1: I connect with outside like really my wife or whatever. So it's it's a strong give and take that I'm not trying to be a complainer about, but I'm just trying to find peace here. 00:26:37 Speaker 3: With that idea and concept bro it's crazy. 00:26:40 Speaker 4: Man absolutely man like i know i get what you're saying because again i'm i'm here in atlanta by myself yeah like i don't that that you said something that stuck out to me like the pull-up aspect and when i go home i can just pull up on my mom and you're just chilling or your cousin or your homeboys like people that have known you forever you know i'm saying not people that you just met or not people who you still trying to get the groove of or whatever it may be. But just like you said, pulling up on your mom and your family, it ain't nothing like that. 00:27:11 Speaker 2: And I miss that too. I 100% feel what you're talking about. 00:27:16 Speaker 4: And I thought that, yeah, I thought about just going back home to the sense of, like you said, it's only a couple more times, bro, that this is going to be able to happen. 00:27:24 Speaker 2: And I appreciate it so much more now than I used to. 00:27:27 Speaker 4: Like even anytime that I'm in a city, like people will pull up on me and they'll know like, oh, my family where we are and what i'm doing so that's that's definitely i i feel you a million percent it's it's just it's it's just so needed for all those that are like you know maybe you may contemplate moving or whatever i i never even spoke this to my mom you know i tell her like i love it here but i said mama it does get challenging you know i i will tell you like it's it is a challenge like i miss y'all so much like it's sometimes it's hard to facetime y'all because i just y'all look I. 00:28:00 Speaker 1: Mean, you look like you want to be around. Yeah, it's like I want to be bored with y'all. I'll be in a group chat. 00:28:06 Speaker 4: And all of them in the same city, they having barbecues and shit all the time. 00:28:10 Speaker 2: Y'all coming, yeah. That happens with me. Yeah, like my family got a group chat and I'm in there, well, we pulling up at this such and such time and they'll throw a joke. Oh, what time you coming? Talking to me and, you know, just, yeah, it's definitely. 00:28:22 Speaker 3: It's a challenge, bro. Like people gotta. 00:28:25 Speaker 4: I think the biggest challenge when you get older and here's, The biggest challenge for me, becoming older, realizing that we're not immortal, realizing that it doesn't last forever. And losing my grandmother about two years ago, you start to understand. 00:28:44 Speaker 2: At 30, 35, 40, like, damn, bro. I remember being a little kid running around these events. Then I see my little cousin running around. 00:28:54 Speaker 4: Like, that literally, like, it ain't some long slave memory where you're thinking, It was 200 years ago. Like when you used to hear your auntie and your uncles talk, you're that person. Now you looking at it like, God damn, that was fast, bro. I remember I was wishing to be the grown up here. And now I'm the grown up here. And this kid's running like how many more times before? I'm the old person here. 00:29:15 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:29:16 Speaker 2: And the old people who I'm appreciating now, they gone. 00:29:19 Speaker 4: Yeah. Like you, it just, once you hit a certain age in your life as a man, you just start thinking about things like, You're not, as far as you're saying, wondering about it and stuff, you're not alone. Like, that happens to all of us once you start reaching a certain age, especially when people start dying. People that have been around your whole life that you could call all the time, talk to, and then he's like, shit. 00:29:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, bro. 00:29:42 Speaker 1: Like, that's... And bringing new life, being blessed to be able to bring new life into this world with my wife, it's like. 00:29:48 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? It's like, I want to share these moments, you know? I want to share with y'all. 00:29:55 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's... on this journey in of pursuit, this is kind of back to the last episode in the journey of pursuit. You got to understand the sacrifices. 00:30:07 Speaker 3: Like what? 00:30:08 Speaker 1: I mean, this is not like some, like some big Joe button podcast or whatever you want to call it. But like, it is a sacrifice to move that you made to Atlanta to move that we made to Florida. Like it is a sacrifice for real coming from like the States that we came from to move into a bigger pool. 00:30:24 Speaker 3: It's a real sacrifice. So it's, You can't have it. 00:30:28 Speaker 1: You can't always have everything your way. 00:30:30 Speaker 3: And I'm OK with that. 00:30:31 Speaker 1: I just got to figure out my common peaceful space. Do I need to like set up four trips a year and I'm staying for a week or I got to do something? I know I got to do something and it's got to because. 00:30:44 Speaker 3: I need them. I need them. I love doing all that. 00:30:51 Speaker 2: They feed your soul. 00:30:54 Speaker 3: Exactly. 00:30:54 Speaker 2: I feel different when I leave you from home. Like Mitch said. Mitch said, man, I feel like I can't get in some of that. I love the game. 00:31:05 Speaker 3: I love the hustle. I feel like one of them ball playing niggas or something. 00:31:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, like the people. 00:31:10 Speaker 4: That shit feels good when you're around people who got genuine love for you. 00:31:15 Speaker 2: They see you grow. They're proud of the shit that you're doing. 00:31:19 Speaker 4: They can joke with you like you can have fun without you know it that that is different especially when you pick up the lead and you go back and you're like damn man

I. 00:31:29 Speaker 1: Missed this yeah make it count so I mean I know that was a little side tangent there but I'm it's good to know that you know you I mean I think yeah we ain't done yeah so um but I did want to ask uh I think you've said this before so I guess it kind of changes on the sidebar but You said a few times, like, this is like barbershop talk. 00:31:51 Speaker 3: I wanted to ask, what barbershop talk like this? 00:31:55 Speaker 2: Definitely talk like this at every, well. 00:31:58 Speaker 3: Because I was like, I think this is more of like close homie talk. Like, I don't know. 00:32:03 Speaker 4: I'm good friends with my boy. See, that's what I'm like. I have a bias. My boy, I started getting my hair cut by him maybe 10 years. 00:32:13 Speaker 2: Now he has a studio in his home. 00:32:15 Speaker 4: So only like his Most of the crazy thing is I know most of his clients. Because I go over there and chill. We'll just be sitting up there talking or whatnot. And people come in and come out and sit there and chill. He got a really close relationship with most of the people whose hair he cut. And no, these are the type of conversations that we have. Of course, a lot of it is bullshit about TV and music. 00:32:38 Speaker 2: A lot of it is about that. You don't really watch sports, so it's not a lot of sports talk. 00:32:42 Speaker 4: But yeah, we get into shit like that. All the time that I've been getting my hair cut there. especially after the first maybe two two years once you really get to know someone and then once he got he used to for the last maybe at least eight years he had his own space like one of those studio spaces. 00:32:58 Speaker 2: Where you got your own room or now. 00:33:00 Speaker 4: The studio space that he got in his house so it's intimate it's an intimate setting you ain't just like random people walking in like i don't want to cut bro so most of the people in. 00:33:09 Speaker 2: There i know they know me we've had conversations before So at least it's kind of talk like this. 00:33:15 Speaker 4: We joke with each other, hold him accountable for bullshit that he be on, call each other out, stuff like that. So when I say barbershop talk, that's what I'm used to, at least for the last decade in America. 00:33:27 Speaker 3: Was it like that in Tennessee? 00:33:31 Speaker 2: For some people. I didn't hang out. 00:33:33 Speaker 3: I wouldn't. 00:33:38 Speaker 2: The barbershop was a hangout spot in Tennessee. It was just for different reasons. Niggas was trapping out of there. Niggas was trapping out of there. 00:33:45 Speaker 4: So that was the reason that it was a hangout spot. Niggas, yeah, it was the same kind of vibe. Niggas knew each other. You sit in there, you talk for a while. You kicking it, you know, you shooting it. 00:33:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sports. Niggas playing chess and shit like that. It wasn't. 00:33:59 Speaker 4: Like I'm saying now. Niggas actually know each other, know each other. And, again, I

was younger there, too, so. 00:34:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course. Even then, you wasn't even talking about it. Right, exactly. I ain't got time to sit up here and talk to y'all, the old-ass niggas. Let me get out here in these streets. 00:34:13 Speaker 3: And see what's going on. I'm riding around. 00:34:18 Speaker 1: I'm getting it. I just, I thought it was. Hurry up, too. 00:34:24 Speaker 2: I ain't trying to be here all day. 00:34:27 Speaker 1: Bro, I had a barber, bro, that used to stop, like, when he started cutting at his house. Like, bro, it was the worst thing that ever happened. This dude, like, I would come over. I'd say, bro, I will pay you extra. What do I got to do to be first? And he'd be like, man, what time? I said, well, how early can you get? He's like, you can come at 930. I'm coming at 930 at the apartment. This man don't walk downstairs. He has, like, one of them apartments. You come and you go straight up the stairs in the house like it's not in the hallway. And so this man would come out to the balcony, drop the key down. I'll open the door, go up the stairs. This man got his do-rag on, washing his face. 00:35:03 Speaker 3: Oh, my gosh. 00:35:04 Speaker 2: Barber's got the word. They be on their own type of time. Because they know you need them, though. 00:35:08 Speaker 3: Because they know you need them. 00:35:10 Speaker 4: But Barber still do this. The guy I'm talking about to this day still do that. Nigga had you hanging out three, four hours. Like, bro, I came to get a haircut. 00:35:18 Speaker 3: Now we're four hours in. My ego too crazy. 00:35:21 Speaker 2: He wanted me to watch a TV show and all of this bullshit. 00:35:24 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He had the DVDs. 00:35:25 Speaker 2: But again, I. 00:35:26 Speaker 4: Usually set aside time. I'm going to get my haircut. I'm probably going to be gone for a minute. 00:35:30 Speaker 2: Like four or five hours. 00:35:33 Speaker 3: This is even in a relationship? 00:35:35 Speaker 2: I was going to say, you got a wife, so you can't. 00:35:38 Speaker 1: I was like, bro, what type of, yo, what type of time you on, my guy? 00:35:43 Speaker 4: Five hours at the barbershop, you're cheating. Even in a relationship, yeah. Even in a relationship, you used to be about that long. Not because, again, when I was in a relationship, she understood that. 00:35:54 Speaker 2: I was cool with my wife. 00:35:55 Speaker 3: This is like a whole thing. It's a thing. 00:35:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, like I'm sitting up here, we're chilling, we're talking or whatever it may be. Plus, she wouldn't. She would call. 00:36:01 Speaker 3: I would answer. 00:36:02 Speaker 4: She would hear where I'm at. Like, it wouldn't be, you know, you disappeared. You were supposed to be at the barbershop. 00:36:07 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? 00:36:08 Speaker 4: I like to be straightforward with people, so I don't remember a lot as well. But, yeah, even in a relationship, four, five hours, like, she'll call two or three times. 00:36:16 Speaker 2: I'm still here. Still right here. You hear the people in the background, don't you? 00:36:21 Speaker 3: Still here. You ain't pulling that off. You over the face. Man, no. 00:36:26 Speaker 2: You ain't pulling that off. No, man. 00:36:29 Speaker 1: There's not a thing in the world I could say I was doing for four or five hours that ain't work. 00:36:34 Speaker 2: That's funny. 00:36:34 Speaker 3: Or church. 00:36:36 Speaker 4: Well, you got to think, too, here in Atlanta, it's an hour or two and an hour front. So anywhere you go is going to take at least two hours. 00:36:43 Speaker 2: You're driving an hour. 00:36:43 Speaker 3: To get there. So you're counting all that in the five or you're saying five plus? 00:36:46 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:36:48 Speaker 3: Not in the five. 00:36:49 Speaker 2: Hell no. 00:36:49 Speaker 4: Now you're getting into a lot, like you say, in territory. You tell myself eight hours. 00:36:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I was saying. I was like, bro. 00:36:55 Speaker 2: But in the five hours, you include the hour to get there, the hour to get back. 00:36:59 Speaker 4: So that's three hours. Hour for a cut, that's three hours. Okay, you're sitting here chilling for a minute. 00:37:03 Speaker 2: It's reasonable to be gone from maybe 12 to 4, 435. All right. 00:37:10 Speaker 1: But yeah, I just, when you said barbershop talk with this, I was like, I don't know if this show is, I don't know what the tag is. You know, obviously elevating black conversation amongst black people. 00:37:20 Speaker 3: I was like, I don't know. 00:37:21 Speaker 1: It's because I'm, I mean, my barbershop talk, My barber in Indiana, we would have like personal talks, but it still wasn't this level. Like this level is some like high conscious, vulnerable conversations. I'm not, I've never had like that type of vulnerability with. 00:37:37 Speaker 3: A barber before. 00:37:38 Speaker 4: No, I will say though, even when I was in Tennessee though, when, uh, before I moved here to the barbershop that I went to, niggas would get into conversations like that. 00:37:44 Speaker 2: Now it didn't. 00:37:45 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:37:46 Speaker 4: It wasn't all the time, but yeah, it would, you would, you would have some compelling conversations, uh, even in my earlier days, going to the barbershop. All my barbershop experiences, because now I'm thinking even back to when I was a younger kid, the nigga who used to cut my hair, his name was Lucky. That nigga used to get, like all the niggas from the hood used to come to his barbershop and just be down there gambling and hanging out and niggas would be talking and joking and shit. So it's always been like a fellowship experience for me with barbershops. Yeah. 00:38:14 Speaker 3: All right, well, that's interesting. 00:38:17 Speaker 1: I may come back and see how I view this show like what type of talk this is i mean my barber he is i don't know if he's hispanic or cuban

i don't know if he's hispanic or cuban oh hell no no no it ain't he cut he he he quiet he just come on oh yeah he cut he cut my hair and he just be quiet i mean i've talked to him before like you know but he's more of. 00:38:41 Speaker 2: A late on too much yeah. 00:38:44 Speaker 1: He a young boy he like 18 Oh, for real. I couldn't believe it. I thought he was older, bro. I thought he was like 24 or something. Like he tatted up everything. Like I did not know he was that age, bro. I was like, Oh, all right. You know, but he's, he's doing, he does his thing. So, but yeah, that was it. I just, I just thought that was interesting, man. But, uh, but this week, um, we talking about embarrassment and I found this, I don't know how I exactly came up with this thought. It wasn't too much longer after, uh, Our last episode, I started to really think about this. 00:39:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, you hit me with this really early. 00:39:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to do better with that, too. 00:39:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to do better with that, too, because so much is going on and so much is going to start happening that I want to make sure that I'm on top of it. of as soon as something hits your mind, if it's worth a conversation. Yeah, let's get to it. But I know we've talked about. 00:39:40 Speaker 1: We've talked about embarrassment. Maybe a piece or portion at some point. There have been moments... that I have thought about in being embarrassed as a grown man and how I buried it, especially if no one was around, how I buried it. And instead of just being honest, I was embarrassed. I would bury it and turn it into some other kind of energy. Like, Oh, the, you know, the audacity, I can't believe like I'm whatever it's like, but really it's like, I'm embarrassed because of these reads. And it's like, I just, it made me ask like, when the last time you heard a black man, a man say, bro, I ain't gonna even lie, I was embarrassed. 00:40:27 Speaker 3: I don't even know if I've. 00:40:27 Speaker 1: Ever heard that before as a grown man talking about the adulthood. 00:40:35 Speaker 2: Yeah. You did right, though. It's specified. It's a black man. Right? 00:40:41 Speaker 3: Because you do see. 00:40:43 Speaker 2: The corny white dude or the corny foreign dude. Oh, man, that was embarrassing, right? Ah, shucks. 00:40:51 Speaker 3: I think that. 00:40:52 Speaker 2: And I don't want to turn this into a finger-point thing, but they're given the freedom to be embarrassed. We're not. And again, where would you. 00:41:00 Speaker 4: And I go with our embarrassment? Where do you feel comfortable telling someone that you were embarrassed? 00:41:07 Speaker 1: Maybe your wife, probably? I'm pretty comfortable, but it's just never brought up, I guess. And I don't know what the capacity because of the reasons you're. 00:41:16 Speaker 3: Going with it. 00:41:18 Speaker 2: Right. Which, you mean. 00:41:21 Speaker 4: you're not sure if you told someone that they would even care? 00:41:26 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how it would come up because they're not even in that space of comfort to even go down those lines of embarrassment in some kind of conversation. So it's probably like what you're saying, like it's buried, you know, like it's buried or I never admit it, I never do. I'm not going to come out knowing, man, you know what, that one time I was embarrassed, bro. I'm not going to come out of nowhere. It's like, you know what I'm saying, saying like I was embarrassed, like I'm not going to lead a conversation, but I just have never, I remember, like, my father-in-law, he, it was a lot of times where, like, it was a lot of times where we would have conversations. We had many good conversations when our relationship was up. But, like, it was a lot of times I had noticed that, like, there was no admittance of, like, you looked bad there. And I remember when that was the first time a story came up and he was telling me. And I thought, oh, it's going to be another one. I was like, whatever story. But he actually looked bad in it. And I respected it so much because I was like, wow. 00:42:29 Speaker 2: He told the story? 00:42:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, he told the story. 00:42:31 Speaker 4: Do you mean like everyday clumsy, like I tripped and feel embarrassed? Or are you talking about like life altering, I got a DUI embarrassed? 00:42:41 Speaker 3: Like there's a difference, right? Yeah, that life altering joint. 00:42:44 Speaker 4: Gotcha, gotcha. 00:42:45 Speaker 1: And even if it's something small that becomes a life altering, something that sticks with you, that you still are mindful of. 00:42:54 Speaker 3: Because I got a few scenarios. 00:42:56 Speaker 2: You got a few embarrassing scenarios as an adult? 00:42:59 Speaker 3: As an adult. 00:43:00 Speaker 2: Jesus. Yeah. 00:43:02 Speaker 3: Don't do that. See? 00:43:04 Speaker 2: Look. 00:43:04 Speaker 3: This guy. No. 00:43:07 Speaker 2: Jesus. 00:43:08 Speaker 3: And then you put all that extra on it, man. 00:43:10 Speaker 2: Come on. No, no, I ain't mean it that way. 00:43:13 Speaker 3: That bad guy, he might got one. That's what he telling you. His 40 years of life. 00:43:16 Speaker 2: That's not what I'm saying at all. Smaller ones on a daily basis, I probably have more account for. Like, damn, I couldn't believe I done that. 00:43:25 Speaker 4: I have, like you said, the major ones, like the UIs. I've been fired from jobs before. Yeah, fired from jobs. That's one of the ones. One of the most embarrassing experiences as an adult was going to jail. hanging out in the wrong place, being in the wrong place at the wrong time, not really being able to explain. 00:43:43 Speaker 2: How it happened to people that cared about me. Like, yeah, that was embarrassing. 00:43:47 Speaker 4: I was 20, but I'll pin on what you define as adult, too. 00:43:52 Speaker 1: I mean, once you're out of school and you, yeah, we can't do that. 00:43:57 Speaker 2: This is like 23-24. 00:43:57

Speaker 1: But what specific part about it that resonated today that was like, the most embarrassing part of that scenario? Because there's normally something that stands out the most. I mean, the whole experience is, but there's something that sticks with you that you'll think about when you think about that scenario. 00:44:14 Speaker 4: The most embarrassing thing is that people don't really know, how do you say this? Don't know what you have going on, right? Like there's this, especially when you're younger, you're presenting these different hats. I'm this person over here. I'm this person over there. I'm this far and this all the way out here over here with these people. So the person that you present to some people, them hearing like you went to jail and it was drug charges and guns were involved and all this shit. 00:44:46 Speaker 2: They're like, oh, what? What in the hell? Like I would have never expected that. 00:44:50 Speaker 4: So it's embarrassing because there's this certain image that certain people have of you that now they see and they're like, damn, motherfucker, was he lying to me the whole time? So now you feel like a piece of shit more so because you're presenting a person that you haven't been able to live up to, at least in my experience. 00:45:08 Speaker 2: For me, that's what happened. 00:45:09 Speaker 4: Because even as a nigga was outside, as I say that we were, it wasn't nothing where I was disrespectful in front of my mom or my family, right? So for me to call my mom and be like, oh, I'm in jail, that was a surprise to her because to her knowledge, ain't nothing that you out here doing that you should be in jail for. And that may not necessarily be the truth, That may be because you hide it well from, you know, that part of your life with your family and your mom or whatnot. So the most embarrassing part was maybe being looked at as a liar, like you were hiding something or doing something that they, like you had a whole nother life that they weren't aware of. And them having to ask the questions of, okay, like, so what's really going on? 00:45:52 Speaker 2: Like, what happened? 00:45:53 Speaker 1: Are you good? 00:45:54 Speaker 2: Like, do you have a problem? Is something wrong? Because when someone. 00:45:59 Speaker 4: when people are green to that and they're square they don't understand hey this just something that happens when you're doing this like it's just really a part of it you can't explain that to a mom or a grandma or a cousin that ain't got nothing to do like don't have any understanding of you can't explain i mean like well niggas it's outside and they do what you're doing like of course some point you're gonna go to jail like just be happy it wasn't a big charge yeah you know what i'm saying that's hard to explain to someone and that's embarrassing to be like well shit now A motherfucker probably looking at me like they look at every motherfucker before. Like, I know my mom compared me to my dad in that

situation. I was like, well, hey, look, I've seen this story before, my nigga, and I'm here to tell you I ain't here for it. Like, if that's the road that you want to take, I'm letting you know that I'm clocking out right now. 00:46:43 Speaker 2: That's what she told me. And for you to be like, well, God, man, that's not blaming her at all. Not being like, well, damn, it's fucked up, but being like, Well, shit, that's what you think? That's the road you think that I'm headed down? 00:46:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, you write me off already. 00:46:58 Speaker 2: Right, right. Like, what did he button up? So, that's the embarrassing part about it, I would say, for me. 00:47:03 Speaker 3: What say you? 00:47:04 Speaker 2: That's deep. 00:47:05 Speaker 1: I can see why that doesn't become a conversation because it is very layered. 00:47:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, like, who you have that with? 00:47:10 Speaker 3: That's very layered. Like, who you have that with? 00:47:12 Speaker 1: That's so layered. Like, it's so many. For me, like, of course, the DUI, but it was the second one. And that second one, really what That was scary. 00:47:24 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it was. 00:47:25 Speaker 2: I know, that was scary. That first one for me was like, that was terrifying. Nigga, getting a two, I couldn't. 00:47:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, bro, that's what I'm saying. 00:47:31 Speaker 1: That first one was scary because I mean, I never been, I mean, well, I, anyways, underage drinking in college, but I don't really, whatever. But like, that second one was so different like I spoke before because I hit somebody. 00:47:44 Speaker 2: Now people treating you like a piece of shit. 00:47:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, but. 00:47:47 Speaker 2: Correct me if I'm wrong, but now people treating you like. 00:47:50 Speaker 3: Well, people, everybody wasn't in on the loop, really. 00:47:53 Speaker 1: You know, but what was so embarrassing was that my mom had just got in town. She was moving here, moving to Indy. And so she was going to be staying with us. And so I called my wife. And so literally when I was getting when the police pulled up, I literally was handcuffed and put in a car when my mom and my sister pulled up. I mean, mom and wife pulled up. That was the most one of the most embarrassing moments of my life. 00:48:19 Speaker 3: I'm like, bro. 00:48:20 Speaker 1: Like because my mom and sister, they helped bail me out the first time. So for her to pull up, move back here, stand with us and to see me get locked up. And I tie it back to what you were talking about with Odd Fridays. That feeling of I want to have a good time. I want to have fun because I'm not I'm so not used to it. I'm going over the top because I'm compensating for something. I'm drinking more than I should be because I'm compensating comfortably. Because I'm trying to be comfortable and I want this feeling. I want to make this last forever with my homeboys hanging out because I don't know when I'm going to do this again. 00:48:56 Speaker 3: I don't know what life. I don't know. 00:48:58 Speaker 1: So I'm going harder than anybody when it comes to indulging. 00:49:03 Speaker 3: But that I've learned now. Take it easy, bro. Relax. 00:49:07 Speaker 1: You're going to get another chance. At least that's the mentality I got to have. Man, when they locked me up and my mom was like, wow. I mean, and then even then when I got out, of course, I spoke about like the embarrassment of like my wife seeing me and I couldn't even lift my head up like that. that's by far as a grown man that's probably the most embarrassing but like one that I never spoke of like as a grown man like. 00:49:30 Speaker 3: I was me and my wife was boyfriend girlfriend and I. 00:49:37 Speaker 1: Wasn't I wasn't right I wasn't right bro there was this girl at the time that I was like, kind of like, you know what I mean? Like side text, side text to try to see what's up. I'll be about 20s, early 20s. And so I'm trying to see what's up. I don't know where the wires got crossed, but somehow my wife ended up taking like a fake number or something. 00:49:57 Speaker 3: And so I, at some point, we's boyfriend, girlfriend. 00:50:00 Speaker 1: At some point, I think I'm still texting this woman, this, you know, from college and I'm texting her. And so here's where I get, bro. So here's where I get caught up. Me and my girlfriend, we have plans. And then the other girl's like, we should meet up. I cancel plans with my girlfriend. Try to meet up. 00:50:21 Speaker 3: Bro. 00:50:23 Speaker 2: Bro. Jesus Christ. I can't believe she married you. 00:50:29 Speaker 3: Oh, bro. 00:50:30 Speaker 2: You know, I know. Because you know how women is, bro. Oh, man. Do she bring that up? See, I bet she brings that up. 00:50:36 Speaker 3: No not really like because because not. 00:50:39 Speaker 2: Really but she still alluded. 00:50:41 Speaker 1: To it though well here's why because there was an occasion when we got married tried to pull it off again and i was on my i was on my up i was clean and then i was clean because at that point i i put that aside for real i still was just niggas like that's a nigga being a nigga like that's that's what i was but that was so embarrassing because at that point i i've always held myself to a certain standard you know i'm saying like even though i i had some I had some tendencies like most men do. 00:51:06 Speaker 3: Yeah, like most men do. 00:51:08 Speaker 1: You want to kind of look over the fence, but I never was, like, going to be on some, like, crazy, I ain't about nothing type nigga with this girl, you know. But that was, like, definitely, like, hands down embarrassing. When I got caught up on that, like, oh, man, I was in a doghouse. I can't even remember how long, but that was, like, you know, I think that was, like, the last straw before I, like, really. 00:51:28 Speaker 3: Got my act together for it. 00:51:29 Speaker 2: Seymour's really good, you know. 00:51:33 Speaker 3: I'm a

decent man, brother. 00:51:35 Speaker 2: Hey, man. 00:51:37 Speaker 3: Women see the potential. That's their gift. 00:51:39 Speaker 2: Absolutely. 00:51:40 Speaker 3: They see the potential. She knew. 00:51:41 Speaker 1: It's like, okay, he on something else, but somewhere in there, there's something. 00:51:46 Speaker 2: Somewhere in there, there's a good man. 00:51:48 Speaker 3: That's dope. 00:51:50 Speaker 1: That definitely was another embarrassing story as a man. 00:51:55 Speaker 2: That's an interesting thing that you bring up. 00:51:57 Speaker 4: I want to ask you about as we're into this topic, when you're talking about relationships and being embarrassed with something that you've done to your woman, do you think because there are not a lot of people that hold us accountable because we don't have those conversations when it comes to like cheating and doing stuff outside of your relationship, that men aren't embarrassed to do that in front of their friends? 00:52:27 Speaker 2: Or do you think that we just think that's acceptable and it's like cool, like. 00:52:30 Speaker 3: You're talking about being on some crazy in front. 00:52:32 Speaker 2: Of your friends. You got a wife at home, but you still like all us out. 00:52:36 Speaker 4: And you still get numbers and still do your thing and whatnot. Wouldn't you think that as a man that would be embarrassing for your wife and yourself? Especially if people know y'all. Do you think that men just look at it like. 00:52:49 Speaker 3: Okay, that's what we do. 00:52:51 Speaker 2: You can hear his ears. 00:52:53 Speaker 3: Like, what makes us comfortable and not embarrassed to anyone? 00:52:56 Speaker 2: Right. 00:52:57 Speaker 3: Knowing that our mans know we got a situation. 00:52:59 Speaker 4: That's one of the things for me. I would be embarrassed for that, especially if the nigga fucked with my girl. Like, if she fucked with you and y'all. 00:53:06 Speaker 2: Cordial and whatnot and y'all talking the phone like that, I would be embarrassed. 00:53:10 Speaker 4: But I know I'm not like most people. I'm not trying to say that it's giving myself a boost or anything. It's just a personality thing for me. 00:53:18 Speaker 2: I see niggas do it, and I wonder why they are not embarrassed. Is it because... Men don't hold them accountable to it. It's just we. 00:53:25 Speaker 1: Don't give two fucks about it. That's exactly why. That's exactly why. We don't hold each other accountable. Okay, so take it a step further then. 00:53:31 Speaker 2: Yeah. Who going to be the nigga that's going to be like, hey, man, you got a girl at home? Like, who going to be the nigga that break it up when you talking to a chick because you got a wife? Hey, bro, no, no, bro, you got a wife, bro. Like, how lame do that come off to us, right? Like, if we being 100% real. 00:53:46 Speaker 3: That's lame. 00:53:46 Speaker 1: In our 20s, like, that's definitely like, we're not doing it. 00:53:49 Speaker 2: Even now, at 40, if I knew a nigga had a wife. I wouldn't do that now. 00:53:52 Speaker 3: I wouldn't do that. 00:53:53 Speaker 4: You're going to go up to the nigga. If I knew a nigga had a wife and he was out watching the game and whatnot, and I see him getting a little too cozy with a chick, I'm not going to. Well, I don't think that I'm going up and being like, hey, bro, man, think about your wife, bro. 00:54:08 Speaker 2: Are you going to do that? 00:54:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would do it now. Yeah, I'd do it now. 00:54:12 Speaker 2: You know what? I believe you, bro. That's what's crazy. 00:54:14 Speaker 1: I'm not capping because you think I'm like, oh, bro, think about it. 00:54:18 Speaker 3: I would be like, here's how I would do it. 00:54:21 Speaker 2: The crazy thing is I believe you, Mo, but I don't think that most niggas is built like that. 00:54:25 Speaker 4: I know. 00:54:25 Speaker 1: Well, remember, I'm the same guy that challenged my bros after the DUI on them saying. 00:54:33 Speaker 3: Oh, y'all my wife's. Y'all look at her. 00:54:35 Speaker 2: You're acting like it's them. Yeah, yeah. 00:54:37 Speaker 3: So I'm like, y'all, you know. That's what I said. 00:54:40 Speaker 2: I believe you. Yeah. 00:54:41 Speaker 3: The conversations that we. 00:54:42 Speaker 4: Have and me knowing your personality, I believe you would say that, but you're one of a few that would. 00:54:47 Speaker 2: This is what I'm saying. That's my point. 00:54:49 Speaker 4: So why aren't most men that accountable? 00:54:53 Speaker 3: What do you think that is? 00:54:54 Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of them probably never had no fathers around that told them, held them accountable. 00:55:00 Speaker 3: Like they told you, like, nah, you out of pocket. 00:55:01 Speaker 1: You remember when you had Rich on here and he was telling them how he quit the football team and how his dad said, nah, that ain't the way we do it. 00:55:09 Speaker 3: That ain't the way we do that. 00:55:10 Speaker 1: So most of these men that don't do that, they don't do it because they ain't seen it. 00:55:15 Speaker 3: So it's like, I mean, nobody told me I couldn't. I mean, mama told me, but that's my mom. That's a woman. 00:55:19 Speaker 1: Like, I'm not looking at like her as the one to go, I'm a man. I'm going to do what I do. Most of us don't. Most of us didn't have a father around to hold you accountable. Like, this is a man checking another man. So when it comes to us checking another man. 00:55:33 Speaker 2: But most men will feel like that ain't none of your business, though, right? Like, when does it become your business? Does she got to be your friend? 00:55:41 Speaker 4: Do you just got to respect him as a man and don't want to see him doing that? Like, at what point do you feel like I need to step up and say something? Because I think that's what most men struggle with. You're a grown-ass man, bro. 00:55:52 Speaker 2: You can do it. If you want to ruin your family, bro, that's on you. 00:55:56 Speaker 3:

Yeah. 00:55:57 Speaker 2: Most men probably look at it that way, right? 00:55:58 Speaker 3: You're absolutely right. 00:55:59 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:56:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right. 00:56:01 Speaker 4: So at what point is it because I have an interest in you being happy with your wife? Is it because I ain't finna be the nigga who you was out with and you cheated on? 00:56:10 Speaker 2: Like, what is it? Or at what point do a man be like, nah, I got to say something, bro? 00:56:15 Speaker 1: It's probably normally, like, when they have some kind of rapport with their woman. 00:56:19 Speaker 3: The wife. You got to have some type of rapport. The wife or the girlfriend. 00:56:22 Speaker 1: But I think that, you know, even if, like, you know, I mean, for me, it's just, like, at this age now, whether it's your wife, your girlfriend, or, like, you really rock with her, you spoke about her, like, you're thinking about, I'm going to be like, bro, is it worth it for real for you, bro? Like, is it really worth it? Because understand what come with it. understand we'll come with it if you want to get it off you don't. 00:56:45 Speaker 2: Get it you get it off because most niggas would do i don't even know if i would do that i ain't. 00:56:49 Speaker 3: Gonna but but but here's the thing. 00:56:51 Speaker 2: I'm looking at it like it ain't none of my business but what do you lose i don't lose. 00:56:55 Speaker 4: Anything but bro like we've spoken about this numerous times on this podcast about my problem with authority yeah so that that that's what comes in for me like who am i to be like hey bro. 00:57:06 Speaker 2: Man you got you got a wife bro i'm a friend You got kids. 00:57:10 Speaker 3: That ain't in the friend. That's a good point. You see what I'm saying? 00:57:13 Speaker 2: It is. You're teaching me right now. I'm just telling you how I look at it. I'm looking at it like it's a grown-ass man, bro. He know he got a family at home. He know he got a wife. He know all the responsibilities that he has. Why do I need to go reiterate this shit in this nigga's ear? But again, I'm not disagreeing with you. No, no, no. 00:57:30 Speaker 3: I hear you. 00:57:31 Speaker 2: I'm trying to get to that point where maybe I would be that person and be like, hey, bro. 00:57:36 Speaker 3: Come on, bro. I mean, and then you. 00:57:38 Speaker 1: Because you have experiences of making the wrong decision. 00:57:42 Speaker 3: Like, dang, I really. 00:57:44 Speaker 1: It's just sometimes they could be looking for a sign, bro. You don't even know. They could be like, man, I'm really thinking about it. 00:57:49 Speaker 2: I don't know. 00:57:50 Speaker 1: And then you come through right at the right time and just say something that they will or won't, but it didn't hurt to say something. You see what I'm saying? We're not not going to be friends after I say this. You know what I mean? It's like, I'm going to say it, but dang, bro. 00:58:02 Speaker 4: You think that's why a lot of men refrain from it? Because they ain't really good friends and they think if they say something... Oh, we ain't as close no more now. I can't be myself around this nigga no more because he's saying something when I'm spitting the bitches now. 00:58:14 Speaker 2: Do you think they got something to do with it? 00:58:17 Speaker 1: I think it has something to do with it. If I do this, it changes the dynamics of this friendship. And I'm cool with what it already is. I'm cool with us just drinking. I'm cool with us just smoking. I'm cool with us just chilling. We kicking and watching. I'm cool with what the dynamics are. If I do this, now it becomes a place where I'm holding them accountable. And when did our friendship start happening? 00:58:36 Speaker 2: Now I'm that nigga. 00:58:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, this wasn't an ingredient. 00:58:40 Speaker 2: What's my nigga name? Momentous Society. Now I'm that nigga. 00:58:43 Speaker 3: Sharif. 00:58:43 Speaker 2: Sharif. Now I'm Sharif. 00:58:46 Speaker 3: Nobody want to hear that bull. 00:58:48 Speaker 2: Nobody want to hear that bullshit, man. 00:58:51 Speaker 1: But that's, you know, and I mean, that's your young 20s for our younger listeners. Like, you probably won't do it, but it's like, you're not a square or a lane for doing that. Like, you a stand-up dude because you just presenting the options. They going to move how they going to move. I've learned, like, don't put so much stake in you changing their mind. Put the stake in... see i i i love you enough to to at least let me put this on your mind you may have thought about it you may not let me just i'm gonna shoot this here because i'm like bro i see how you moving i see oh i see shawty she is bad and i know you got a whole situation at the crib bro i'm just gonna tell you like Women got that intuition. 00:59:28 Speaker 3: Do you really want to go down this rabbit hole? 00:59:30 Speaker 1: Because this little 15 to 45. 00:59:33 Speaker 3: Minutes of sex, bro, it could cost you more than you imagine. 00:59:37 Speaker 1: You might want to just go ahead and take care of business on your own at the crib or something. 00:59:42 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? I'm just going to give you that now. Seriously. Okay. 00:59:47 Speaker 2: Here's my biggest issue with that. 00:59:51 Speaker 4: And it's maybe a personality thing for me or somebody listening may be like, yeah, Lou, that's how I think too. 00:59:57 Speaker 2: When niggas do that, I think that's an ego thing on their end. 01:00:01 Speaker 3: When they speak up? 01:00:02 Speaker 4: Yeah, is it really that you're trying to protect me from something or are you trying to be holier than thou and be like, oh, well, I was the nigga that told him not to do it if it ever comes out. 01:00:14 Speaker 3: What? 01:00:15 Speaker 2: I was the nigga. It was me. 01:00:17 Speaker 4: I was the pretentious motherfucker in the back being like, nah, let's not go down that road. 01:00:22 Speaker 2: It looks

spooky. Like, because... Again, it's. 01:00:25 Speaker 4: Maybe a personality thing for me, but a lot of the times I look at people like, this motherfucker is doing this out of ego. It's his ego that make him step up and say something because you said something in that rundown that struck that with me and made me come out and say it. It's like, well, at least I said something. You're going to do what you're going to do anyway. My nigga, if you thought that, then don't say nothing to me because I want you to. Let me finish, though. I want you to have enough confidence and enough vigor to come into the situation with it like my nigga. If I'm saying something, I plan on changing your mind. 01:01:01 Speaker 2: I ain't just bringing this shit up for the record so a nigga can be like, well, you know, Lou said something, man, but he went on and did what he did anyway. 01:01:08 Speaker 4: And that's my problem with it. And that's the problem that I have with most niggas that would do something like that. Like, don't do it just to do it. Do it and do it all the way, nigga. Like you said, make the sale, make the sale, bro. Convince me that this isn't a good idea if you done doubled down enough to be like, hey, don't do this. Don't just say, hey, don't do it. And then I give you one little objection. All right, bro, you do what you want to do. 01:01:30 Speaker 2: You're a grown man. Because what's the point then that you even saying anything? If you ain't going to go all the way with it and be like, nah, bro, you're not doing this. This is the stance that I'm taking with it. Like you got to drag me out of here for you to be able to get this done. If that ain't the case, don't say anything. That's how I look at it. Spike. I imagine that you disagree. 01:01:53 Speaker 1: You are wild. 01:01:55 Speaker 3: You talk about ego of just saying something. I ain't letting you leave out of here. I'm taking your keys. I'm telling Shawty. Yes, nigga. 01:02:04 Speaker 2: If you're going to do it, do it. If you're going to do all of it, if you're going to start the conversation, then do it. 01:02:09 Speaker 3: Joe Clark over here. 01:02:11 Speaker 2: Lock the doors. Put the chains on the doors, nigga. like don't don't come to me with that half-ass weak-ass soft-ass like bro i. 01:02:20 Speaker 1: Mean you're gonna do let's put you in a scenario bro let's put you there because i think you're thinking it's like some like i'm i'm because if y'all don't. 01:02:30 Speaker 4: I want it to be here's i'm just saying i want it to be authentic like you were saying really that's what. 01:02:34 Speaker 1: I'm saying it's got to be authentic because we don't see this in male friendship black men friendships right So the moment, but he know how you are. He know you got a little situation or whatever. So he found it in himself to speak up. Like he already seen some close calls, but it didn't turn into nothing. But tonight looked like the night you about to go ahead and hop. 01:02:55 Speaker 3: Over the fence. He says something. 01:02:57 Speaker 2: Okay. 01:02:58 Speaker 1: And he says that approach was like, look, bro, then that should be enough there. 01:03:04 Speaker 2: He couldn't have. 01:03:05 Speaker 1: No, he, no, he couldn't have approached you coming in with the mindset. I got something to gain. I'm going to walk away and say, hey, I said something. I'm not coming. If I feel the need to be the square lane bro right now and speak up and tell you, like, bro, you got to get out of pocket, I'm going to tell you, bro, I don't think you really want to do that. Everything going to change at this point. And then, but, you know, you're a grown man. I ain't telling you what to do. You're going to do what you're going to do. But I'm just telling you, bro. No, that's where I have the problem. 01:03:32 Speaker 2: That's where. 01:03:32 Speaker 3: But then if I do it, but if I don't do that, then how authoritative am I being? 01:03:35 Speaker 2: Don't straddle the fence. 01:03:36 Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. That's the point that I'm making, though. Like, if you're going to say that, you're saying that to a. 01:03:42 Speaker 2: Real friend, right? 01:03:43 Speaker 4: I want you to be a real friend of your objection and be like, nah, like, bro, you're not doing this. Like, it ain't going to be no soft ass objection and being like, well, I mean, if. 01:03:52 Speaker 2: You want to do it. 01:03:54 Speaker 4: You can go ahead and do it because at that point now, I'm wondering, and again, this may just be a Spike Lee thing. 01:04:00 Speaker 2: I'm wondering, like, well, what the fuck did you even say something in the first place for? 01:04:03 Speaker 3: There you go. 01:04:03 Speaker 4: Like you just said, you've seen it lead up to this point. You've seen the other conversations that I had. Why are you now just saying something and you soft with it and being like, well, I mean, bro, like, you know, you're not supposed to be doing that, man. But I ain't going with me, bro. 01:04:18 Speaker 2: You get put out the ball, man. It ain't on me. 01:04:20 Speaker 3: That's wild. 01:04:21 Speaker 1: You can talk about some Winnie the Pooh friend over here talking soft. 01:04:25 Speaker 2: I don't know, man. 01:04:26 Speaker 3: I mean, I guess an old brother, man, I. 01:04:28 Speaker 2: Shouldn't have done that. I'm just saying, man. 01:04:33 Speaker 3: You're wild. 01:04:35 Speaker 2: That's how it sounds like when you say that to me. 01:04:37 Speaker 4: Like, other than, like, again, the people that I want to be around, when you ask me what pleases me the most, is someone who could be like, I'm going all the way in. It's not a sense of I'm making a suggestion because I think this will ruin your life. And I want you to do right. It's like, no, bro, I know who you are. I'm comfortable with being the person that comes up to you and be like, no, bro, we're not doing this. 01:04:59 Speaker 2: Like those are the people that you should be

hanging out with or expecting that type of if they are breaking into it, that's the type of break into it that they should have. Like it shouldn't be no soft objection. But it's not what I'm saying. Like it can't be halfway. Like if I'm your homeboy and you respect me, like I'm going to go all the way and you got to respect that. 01:05:20 Speaker 3: But who are you to go all the way? Because now you sound like you're trying to be my dad. 01:05:22 Speaker 2: Well, why even say anything? 01:05:23 Speaker 3: No, no, but now you sound like you're trying to be my dad. Now you're like, no, I'm not letting it happen. I'm trying to be the nigga that knows best for you right now when you don't know best. Oh, but this is the person that has a problem with authority. 01:05:33 Speaker 2: Yes. 01:05:33 Speaker 3: See, that don't work. That don't work. 01:05:35 Speaker 2: But that's the problem. 01:05:37 Speaker 4: The problem with it is, Mo, you can't go into it halfway, though. 01:05:42 Speaker 2: That's not halfway. We don't respect that as men. 01:05:46 Speaker 4: Like men don't respect that, you know, good and well, just like I know if somebody came up to you, your homeboy that you respect and you have like, you have enough respect for him to listen to him and be like, you know what? 01:05:57 Speaker 3: You're right. 01:05:58 Speaker 4: I may not want to do what you're saying right now, but you made such a compelling point and I fuck with you so much. I'm going to do it even though I didn't want to, right? Like there should be friends like that, that you have in your life. So if you come to me as a friend and you're like, Hey man, I don't know. 01:06:17 Speaker 1: Like, no, that ain't that ain't the approach. You state your point and say, but at the end of the day, bro, you're going to do what you're. 01:06:24 Speaker 2: Going to do. 01:06:25 Speaker 1: No, it's not soft. It's not soft. What you want to do because you're right. As a man, I know that I have the right to do that. 01:06:34 Speaker 3: You're a grown man. 01:06:35 Speaker 1: You're respecting this other grown man by saying that I'm I'm I'm going to give you my pitch and say, bro, look, I don't rock with that, bro. I think that's trash. I don't really like what you're doing, bro. I don't think you should do that. You're going to mess up your whole family situation. But at the end of the day, you're a grown man. You're going to do what you're going to do. That's not soft. 01:06:51 Speaker 3: No, no, no. Because giving a nigga. No, no, no. That's not giving them out. 01:06:55 Speaker 2: I'm not giving a nigga. Hold on. 01:06:56 Speaker 3: Hold on. Here's why it's not out for me. 01:06:59 Speaker 2: It's not. 01:06:59 Speaker 3: But it's not out, though. You know why it's not? 01:07:02 Speaker 1: Because I lead. with my point. That's not giving you an out by saying you're a grown man. No, that's respecting. 01:07:09 Speaker 3: No, no, no. 01:07:09 Speaker 1: That's respecting that we

are peers. That's respecting that this is man to man. I'm not over you. I'm not your father. I'm not trying to be an authoritative figure. I'm stepping in saying this is why I don't rock with it, but at the. 01:07:21 Speaker 3: End of the day, it's up to you. And it is up to them. 01:07:24 Speaker 1: So I'm reassuring that I'm not trying to be an authoritative figure right now stepping out of pocket of our friendship for the first time and tell you what you're wrong at. I'm telling you I'm still your friend, and I don't rock with this, but at the end of the day, you're going to do what you're going to do. And you know why it works? Because it's like when your woman tells you, hey, you going to wear that? You be like, yeah, I'm going to put this on. 01:07:47 Speaker 2: Oh, okay. 01:07:47 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no. It is the same. I'm talking about man. No, no, no, bro. Here's why it's the same. 01:07:51 Speaker 2: I'm talking about man conversations. 01:07:53 Speaker 3: Hold on. 01:07:53 Speaker 1: Here's why it's the same. It's the same because the... Man, you're just wild. 01:07:59 Speaker 3: That was. 01:08:03 Speaker 3: Here's why it's the same. 01:08:04 Speaker 2: Nuts. 01:08:05 Speaker 3: That is nuts. But here's why it's the same. 01:08:10 Speaker 1: It's the same because it's like just the fact that you brought it up, I have to be able to shake that out of my mind, bro. Like when a woman, I don't know how many times my wife has said, you don't wear that? I like it better when you wear this. Well, I'm going to wear this. Then five minutes go, ten minutes go. I'm still thinking like, dang, what's she trying to say? 01:08:25 Speaker 3: Is she really trying to say this? 01:08:27 Speaker 1: So when a man comes up and say, bro, I'm telling you, bro, you're going to do this. You still want to pursue. 01:08:30 Speaker 3: Nah, bro, I got it. Don't even worry about it. I got it. 01:08:32 Speaker 1: But the more you do that, you're still thinking about what your homeboy just said to you. Say, any day you're going to do what you're going to do, bro, but I don't rock with you. You're going to play all that in your head so it works, bro. It's not coming hard. It's respecting the relationship and the approach that you've never done that before. When you've been friends with somebody for a long time and you normally do this, then, yeah, now you're. 01:08:54 Speaker 3: Going to come with the gangster like, bro, man, that's, bro, fall back. 01:08:58 Speaker 2: Not even gangster, bro. I'm just saying. 01:09:00 Speaker 4: It needs to be more affirmative in the sense of I'm not giving you an out and saying if this is what you want to do. Because from the point, all of these conversations that we've had about elevated. 01:09:16 Speaker 2: Conversation, yeah, there are people that you do that with, Moe. You're absolutely right. I want to acknowledge that. I'm talking about the niggas who you're really friends with and you really have the best intention for their life, right? 01:09:31 Speaker 4: You know what it means to them to be happily in a relationship, happily married, and you see them making a mistake. I'm talking about if you see your friend making a mistake and you not wavering off, I think this is wrong, right? 01:09:46 Speaker 2: Right? 01:09:47 Speaker 4: That's what I'm talking about in the sense of respect. Like, even when you're saying the authority figure, the person on the other end of that, the person why I'm telling, hey, man, you shouldn't be doing this, bro. 01:09:58 Speaker 2: That person would be looking at me like, OK, you're right. Lou don't usually say this. 01:10:03 Speaker 4: So if he has came out and said this and he was firm on this is what's going on and you're in the wrong, not if you want to do it, then you can do it. 01:10:13 Speaker 2: It's on you. That's the part of it that I have the problem with. 01:10:16 Speaker 4: When you have a strong relationship with somebody, you have, like, again, pause, man energy. You can tell somebody when they're wrong, when they're in the wrong, and you don't have to give them an out. 01:10:27 Speaker 2: You don't have to say, but if you want to do it this way, bro, then it's cool. 01:10:31 Speaker 4: Because that's giving a nigga the opportunity to be like, well, maybe I'm fucked up, or maybe. 01:10:36 Speaker 2: This is just me. No, bro. I know you. 01:10:40 Speaker 4: I'm not giving you the opportunity to be like, oh, I'm going to do it just because, like he said, I mean, you can do it if you want. 01:10:46 Speaker 2: That's on me. No, I'm not doing that. 01:10:48 Speaker 4: I ain't telling you what's wrong and what's right based off our relationship and me having enough confidence and enough currency and what we got, yeah, importance in what you and I got going on together. Like, if I seen you out cheating on your wife with everything that we've built and doing this show and the conversations that we have, Mo, it wouldn't be a Bro. 01:11:11 Speaker 2: If you feel like you're cool with it, man, it's cool with me, man. I'm just saying. 01:11:14 Speaker 3: See, you keep moving the goalposts. It's cool with me. 01:11:16 Speaker 2: That's what you're saying. 01:11:18 Speaker 1: No, I said at the end of the day, you're going to do what you're going to do. I didn't say it was cool with me. 01:11:22 Speaker 2: That's what that means. Again, you always talk about how I be in sales. 01:11:28 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:11:28 Speaker 4: That's what that means. When a nigga be like, I mean, at the end of the day, okay, that's a whole can of worms for you to be like, oh, you can do whatever the fuck you want to do. I hear you, but it's like, who are you to say I'm giving you an out? Who are you to say I'm not giving you an out? 01:11:46 Speaker 3: Who are you? 01:11:47 Speaker 2: Your friend. So? 01:11:50 Speaker 4: Your friend that has your best interest in mind. But again, you're my friend. 01:11:53 Speaker 2: We should all have friends like that.

01:11:54 Speaker 3: You don't have no control over me. 01:11:55 Speaker 4: That's what this show is about, being able to establish those type of friendships with other men. 01:12:00 Speaker 2: Right? Like, the reason that I have a problem with authority and the reasons that it keeps coming up in the show is like, those are people that I don't know. I don't know a police officer. I don't know a judge. 01:12:10 Speaker 4: Those people don't have my best interest at heart because they haven't gotten to know me as a man. 01:12:14 Speaker 2: Someone who knows me as a man doesn't. 01:12:17 Speaker 4: Have to give me an out because they have these expectations and these things that they know that I'm capable of. 01:12:23 Speaker 2: They sit back and watch. We're friends. 01:12:26 Speaker 1: We know what we are as far as... Thoughts and expectations. For lack of a better word. You've been around homeboys, right? And maybe I've drank. And you ever seen one of your homeboys drunk? Did you take their keys? 01:12:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's happened before. Absolutely. Niggas have done that to me before. 01:12:44 Speaker 3: Absolutely. But you've took their keys. 01:12:46 Speaker 2: You? Yeah. Yes. 01:12:48 Speaker 1: Yes, that's happened before. And what was your mindset when you took their keys? There's no way. 01:12:53 Speaker 2: Me being someone who loves you is going to let you drive in a state that you want. 01:12:57 Speaker 4: You can be mad at me. You can want to fight. Whatever you want to take it to after I take your keys. 01:13:02 Speaker 2: That's cool. 01:13:03 Speaker 4: But I feel that strongly in our relationship and what my convictions are as you being safe and me being somebody who feel like they need to keep you safe. 01:13:13 Speaker 2: And now we're not doing this. You call a cab. 01:13:15 Speaker 4: You can sleep right here on the curb. But you're not driving home. And I think that's respectable as friends. Your real friends should be able to do that with you. 01:13:26 Speaker 2: It's not going to be pleasant all the time, bro. It's not going to be... You shouldn't have to give people that you love out. 01:13:34 Speaker 4: You shouldn't have to give your wife or... It's different with parents because, of course, you got to get them out. But people who, niggas that genuinely fuck what you want to talk about. I ain't talking about running a meal, niggas that you met, you may have been knowing five, ten. 01:13:49 Speaker 2: I'm talking about. 01:13:50 Speaker 4: Niggas who genuinely have an investment in you being okay. 01:13:54 Speaker 2: They know your family. They know your moms. They know people that know you who would know that it would be a devastating thing that if you weren't around or if you did something to fuck all of this up. 01:14:04 Speaker 4: I'm talking about those people that can make those type of convictions in your life and be like, you may not be at your best right now. And I'm going to be the person that steps in to make sure everything stay OK. And you can fight me on it. You could be mad at me about it tomorrow, but I'm not going to give you a way out. And you can look at it as an authority or whatever you want to look at it. But I'm the person right now who you aren't in your best judgment is going to be able to take care of you because you trust that in me as a friend. 01:14:28 Speaker 2: I'm going to do that again. That ain't for everybody. That ain't the random nigga that you just met and you talking to. Right, right, right. 01:14:35 Speaker 3: Of course, of course. 01:14:35 Speaker 2: That ain't that. I'm talking about real niggas that you value and genuinely want to see do better. 01:14:42 Speaker 3: Okay. 01:14:43 Speaker 1: So then let me tie it back to a conversation on previous episodes. 01:14:47 Speaker 3: So what you feeling that way? 01:14:49 Speaker 1: Are you at the stage in your life where you will confront your friend on something? Like when I spoke about the DUI situation where I confronted them about- You know, and you said, man, I can't even see myself doing it. 01:15:02 Speaker 3: Has things changed since that episode? 01:15:05 Speaker 1: Well, now, based on what you're saying now, if you see your friend out of pocket, you will confront them. Not necessarily if they're out of pocket with you, but like this, or like just... Yeah, like this. 01:15:16 Speaker 2: I feel like that's my responsibility now. Absolutely. 01:15:19 Speaker 3: So you feel differently than what you. 01:15:20 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be on brand with what we've been doing for 58 episodes and saying, like, I can just watch it go by. 01:15:27 Speaker 3: There's been. 01:15:28 Speaker 2: We didn't do anything about modern events or whatever, current events or anything like that at the top of the show, but there was stories going around on social media. This girl was talking crazy to this group of guys and the nigga hit her with a brick. 01:15:42 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. 01:15:44 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:15:44 Speaker 4: And it's been this whole back and forth on social media all week because there were niggas standing around. 01:15:50 Speaker 2: There were people explaining why. I mean, she shouldn't have been doing this and maybe she wouldn't have got hit with the brick. They were trying to make excuses for niggas. 01:15:58 Speaker 4: We're at the point in our lives, and I'm at the stage in my life, in my journey, where, like, I don't see it possible where I would be standing around and finna hit a bitch with a brick. 01:16:09 Speaker 3: Right? 01:16:10 Speaker 2: Like, what about, like, you at your age and where you are? 01:16:13 Speaker 4: Like, could you see you being out with your wife and your kids, and you know you gotta make sure that they're safe, too? And a nigga pick up a brick and finna hit a bitch because they arguing. Do you feel like that you would break in there and be like, hold on, bro. Like, you gonna hit him with a brick? 01:16:30 Speaker 1: The fake answer

would be like, nah, man, I got to step in. But the reality is, I don't know if this guy's strapped. I don't know if he on pills. I don't know if I'm going to leave here. I hate to say that, but, bro, it's so real, though. Because I don't know. This man threw a brick at a woman. I don't know his mental state. And I don't know if this man might pull a strap and shoot. I can't convince him not to shoot me like that video we spoke about. 01:16:56 Speaker 3: And you got a family. 01:16:57 Speaker 1: And I got something to lose. Or they could lose me. 01:17:00 Speaker 2: And now your family by themselves. 01:17:02 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. These situations are really hard, bro. 01:17:05 Speaker 2: Is it wrong to consider those things, though, before you think about protecting her? 01:17:09 Speaker 1: No, it's not wrong. But I don't... These are the things that I think about all the time, bro. I think about this stuff all... I see... Like, today, I just... I seen a lady walking, and I think she had her kid. And it's so hard. Like, a part of me is like, I want to give you a ride. And I've done this before. But I probably put myself in some situations that it could have been a close call just trying to give somebody a ride. Now, this lady didn't look like no homeless lady or nothing like that. It just looked like she didn't. 01:17:36 Speaker 3: Have a car. 01:17:37 Speaker 2: Watch out, man. 01:17:37 Speaker 3: It was a black woman. So she didn't. I mean, yeah, no, no, no doubt. 01:17:41 Speaker 1: I mean, but it's like it's always this hard thing for me where I'm like, I want to be able to help because I'm like, bro, you can change somebody's life or their day just by assisting. But I don't want it to be at the the point where it cost my life. 01:17:55 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? So it's so hard, bro, to make that call. 01:17:58 Speaker 2: Here's the thing that I think, right? Even with the lady getting hit with a brick and what the conversation is around what we're having is I have to be invested in that person. If I'm going to be Batman and I'm coming and trying to save the day, I need to know how we got to this point. I need to know your background. 01:18:17 Speaker 4: And that's not anything that's going to happen in a random situation where they get hit with a brick. So like you're saying, I got to consider my family. I got to consider my well-being and all of these things in that moment when this lady is getting hit with a brick versus the difference of with my home. 01:18:33 Speaker 2: Like I've considered all of these things. I know what's best for me, bro. 01:18:37 Speaker 4: That's why I'm standing with so much conviction. That's why I'm going to come with you with so much authority. 01:18:42 Speaker 2: Like now we're not doing this. 01:18:44 Speaker 4: I'm not giving you the opportunity to get out of this just because it's something that you want to do in. 01:18:49 Speaker 3: The, spur of the moment. 01:18:53 Speaker 4: Right. 01:18:53 Speaker 2: Like, so that's the difference in those two situations. 01:18:57 Speaker 4: And what I mean when I say that, we have to be able to feel strongly enough about the people that we care for, that we can be authoritative figures in their life sometimes. Not all the time you want to be this bossy, demanding person. But sometimes you. 01:19:15 Speaker 2: Would admit, I would admit, we're not always at our best. 01:19:18 Speaker 4: And it's great to have someone around you who can be like, hey, bro, I got you. 01:19:23 Speaker 3: Well, you may have been slipping right here in this moment. 01:19:26 Speaker 4: I can provide you with some better direction as another perspective that you should respect because you respect me and our relationship. And that's what I mean when I say that not being soft on the way if you want to. I'm never going to say that to a homer that I truly care about. Because I've came to you and I brought this up. It ain't no if you want to. I know what you want to do. That's why I said something. That's why I came up and I brought this up to you. Because I see it in your eyes and I know you. We're familiar with each other. And I'm familiar enough with you to know that I'm going to come and say something. I'm not going to give you any out. I'm going to be like, well, if you want to, well, it's up to you. But you know you have this to lose. 01:20:02 Speaker 2: Now, nigga, I'm talking to you because I know you got this to lose. 01:20:06 Speaker 4: And this is the next move that you should make because I see you going the wrong road. And you can call it over authoritative or whatever it may be. 01:20:13 Speaker 3: So you're okay with somebody doing that with you? 01:20:15 Speaker 2: I want people to have those type of relationships with me. 01:20:17 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 01:20:18 Speaker 4: I want somebody to be able to feel that strongly about the relationship that we have where they can be like, nah, bro, you're. 01:20:23 Speaker 2: Doing the wrong thing. 01:20:25 Speaker 4: And I ain't saying this because of ego or anything like that. I'm saying this because I genuinely know you and I know the road that you're trying to walk down. 01:20:32 Speaker 2: And I know that this ain't it. I want people to have that type of relationship with me. Absolutely. 01:20:37 Speaker 3: So you're okay with that? 01:20:38 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Again, if I feel like it's genuine. 01:20:43 Speaker 3: Okay, but you say, yeah, you say it because people that don't know you, that's the issue. 01:20:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, like it's some nigga here like that. They'll throw that shit in there. 01:20:50 Speaker 2: Do what you want to. To me, that's ego shit. 01:20:53 Speaker 4: Like if I'm going to say something to someone who I feel like is my friend, I'm standing on it. 01:20:57 Speaker 2: I ain't giving you no out. 01:20:59 Speaker 1: I think that it's just, it depends on the stage of the friendship. Like if we've been rocking for a long

time, absolutely. Like I'm not, like I'm that friend. I've all, I've been that way. So I'm speaking to like, it depends on how good a friend you are. And even, and here's the thing for intermediate friends. 01:21:14 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. 01:21:15 Speaker 1: But even, but this is like friends that we've been cool, but we haven't entered that phase of the maturation of this friendship. We've always been cool. We noticed that we're all going through some stuff. We're getting a little older, but we haven't, necessarily started being vulnerable. Then I would agree with you. You see what I'm saying? I would agree with you on being like, you do what you want to, bro. This is the type of person that I am. 01:21:40 Speaker 3: But this is my first entry. 01:21:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. You may not know me like this. You may not expect this from niggas who fuck with you, but this is the type of person that I am. 01:21:50 Speaker 4: And I'll still give you the way out because we ain't really friends like that. I ain't talking about those niggas. 01:21:55 Speaker 3: Well, no, no, no. We friends like that. 01:21:57 Speaker 2: I just want to make it clear. 01:21:59 Speaker 3: No, we not though. 01:22:00 Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. I got to give you an out. We not friends. 01:22:02 Speaker 3: Hold on, bro. 01:22:03 Speaker 1: Because the friendship, just like relationship, goes through phases. You didn't start off rocking like I'm telling my homeboy straight up what I'm going through. It's a maturation process. So I'm saying we really are friends. I really been rocking with you, but we hadn't crossed that threshold of vulnerability with one another. 01:22:21 Speaker 3: I ain't told you about my real problems. 01:22:24 Speaker 1: I ain't tell you that I caught a disease and I had to take pills and clear up. I didn't tell you like, you know, just whatever. You know what homeboys talk about? Like, bro, I got caught sleeping, bro. I didn't use a rocker. 01:22:34 Speaker 3: Whatever. Yeah. 01:22:35 Speaker 1: We haven't got to that phase, but you are my friend and I actively kick it with you. But we never crossed the threshold of vulnerability where I have stepped in and felt the need to tell you, like, bro, I don't think you should do that. Now, where we are, we got years now. It's past that. We're not at that stage. 01:22:52 Speaker 3: We're at that. Bro, I ain't giving you no out. Absolutely. 01:22:54 Speaker 2: No, no. All right, bro. 01:22:56 Speaker 3: You do that. Then don't don't don't holler. 01:22:57 Speaker 2: All right, bro. 01:22:58 Speaker 3: Then whatever. 01:22:58 Speaker 2: I'm out. 01:22:59 Speaker 3: Like you rock like that. Then I'm out. 01:23:01 Speaker 1: I don't rock with that. Like I told you, like I had that homeboy when I was young, like I used to treat his mama. Like I was like, nah, bro. And we wasn't cool. And he respected me. He hit me up years later. Like, bro, I appreciate it. I said, yeah, bro, I don't like how you treat your mom and your sister, bro. They ain't cool. I don't not rock with niggas like that. And I was a high schooler. I told him straight up. So I understand. I'm just talking about the phase of friends that you never have gotten to that point of telling your friend in this space of like crossing over to a new. dynamic of the friendship that's what I'm saying where you're at absolutely what you would do I would do the same thing absolutely I'm not giving you no I was that friend in college like I was before I ever smoked a cigarette or black and mild like I had my cousin I remember we was going to a party on campus and this man pulled out a black and mild. 01:23:48 Speaker 3: He pulled out a black and mild bro and. 01:23:50 Speaker 1: He tells me this story I hate I hate even when he brings the story up but I was like I was like bro what are you doing is I about to smoke a cigar I was like nah man that's ugly Man, we kings. 01:23:59 Speaker 3: What you doing? Like, I was a different dude in college, bro. I was so dead. I was like, bro, what you doing? 01:24:04 Speaker 2: That's ugly. We look good. 01:24:05 Speaker 3: You smoking. You smoking black at Biles? What's wrong with you, bro? Like, dude, I was so. 01:24:11 Speaker 2: Man, I bet you was a sick. 01:24:13 Speaker 3: Oh, I was sick, bro. I was a. 01:24:15 Speaker 1: He was like, but people used to laugh. But they was like, that's age three. Like, that's age three. Like, he ain't letting stuff ride. I was very outspoken. Very. I didn't have life experience. What kind of cigarettes you used to smoke? I would smoke Marlboro. 72's menthol. 01:24:28 Speaker 2: Oh my god. What? 01:24:31 Speaker 3: Barbaros? 01:24:31 Speaker 2: Are you serious? 01:24:33 Speaker 1: 72's? Yeah, they was the small pack. They was the smallest cigarette you can get on the market. And they was smarter than the shorts. And they pack a lot of power. They was the green joints. They was small. Yeah, man. 01:24:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, menthol. 01:24:46 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Yeah. 01:24:48 Speaker 1: I think about that Dave Chappelle skit. Why do black people smoke menthol? Every answer was the right answer. That was the most funniest skit. Every ass was the right ass while black people spoke. But yeah, that's what I used to smoke. 01:25:01 Speaker 3: But, uh, okay. 01:25:03 Speaker 1: Well, let this, you know, tying it back to embarrassment before we get out of here. Um, why do you think this generation doesn't handle it well? And what advice would you give people as far as the bounce back and understanding? It's like, it's not the end of the world because I mean, we've seen things that have come out online with some younger people that like, because they were so embarrassed of this being out, which the embarrassment level is totally different. 01:25:30 Speaker 3: I respect y'all Gen X, Gen Z, or Gen Z, but, and. 01:25:35 Speaker 1: So I understand the embarrassment level is different, and sometimes it can go viral, but some

of them will end their life after that. So I want to ask you, before we get out of here, what would you say to, like, how to bounce back from being embarrassed, even if you caught online slipping and looking goofy, and What would you say to this generation where they got a whole different pressure and different things going on? 01:25:59 Speaker 3: What would you say to them to just push through that? 01:26:01 Speaker 2: You know what? 01:26:05 Speaker 4: I think what we have to be able to admit when we're right here is kicking facts and having conversations and. 01:26:12 Speaker 2: Stuff that we don't know as well. This new generation, I mean, I couldn't imagine when I was 14, 15, 16, 17 years old, having to deal with the shit that they deal with, like, social media. Like, his kids now, well, I have a godson. He's in, he might be 11 or something. 01:26:36 Speaker 4: This nigga wear, like, Gucci, Travis Scott, Vinci, shit that, like, we used to wear Tommy Hill figure when I was in school. Polo, shit like that. He was fresh thin. 01:26:48 Speaker 2: My point is, niggas got, like, kids, $ 150 shirts, $ 400 jeans on, $ 600 shoes, chains with their name on them. And these kids are in fifth, sixth, seventh grade. 01:27:01 Speaker 4: And I couldn't imagine what that would be like if I had the access to those things at that age. So I can honestly say I don't know. I don't know how they deal with it, bro. Like, their whole life is online. They're different from us. I'm right on the cusp of remembering when there. 01:27:21 Speaker 2: Was no internet. There was no, like... No, I'm on the cusp. 01:27:26 Speaker 3: Shut up, nigga. 01:27:27 Speaker 2: Like, shut up. I'm telling you. I'm telling you, no, I remember. I remember when niggas had, like, Black Planet. Yeah. My nigga Dro had, like, this little keyboard that you hooked up to your TV. I can't think of the name of that shit. 01:27:41 Speaker 3: Oh, man. 01:27:43 Speaker 2: You hook the keyboard up to your TV, it don't give you the internet. And, like, that shit was so, like. 01:27:48 Speaker 3: The dial-up joint. 01:27:48 Speaker 2: I ain't blowing this, bro. I had AOL... Nigga, and we're going to chat rooms. 01:27:53 Speaker 4: I guess it was mind-blowing to me, but these motherfuckers got Instagram, and they got Twitter, and they got all these different things they can do, and that shit will spiral out of control in moments, and you'll be the talk of the town. 01:28:03 Speaker 2: I don't know. 01:28:04 Speaker 4: I don't even know what to say to a teenager, bro, who gets embarrassed online and say, like, how you bounce back from that? Because I know they think that that's their whole world. Like, that's the whole thing to them. How I look online, how I do all these things. As an old head, I have no clue, bro. 01:28:19 Speaker 2: I would love for a young person to be able to come talk about. 01:28:22 Speaker 3: I would love to have a young person on here. 01:28:24 Speaker 2: Absolutely, bro. For me, I

have no idea. 01:28:27 Speaker 3: You remember you said you did a prank and you mooned the coach. 01:28:31 Speaker 2: Yes. 01:28:32 Speaker 3: Imagine if that went viral. 01:28:34 Speaker 2: Exactly. 01:28:35 Speaker 3: Like, bro. You would be on line forever, nigga. Bro, like, that would have been a gift. 01:28:40 Speaker 2: Like, hey, come on. 01:28:41 Speaker 3: That would have been a gift and a text message. 01:28:42 Speaker 2: I would say, and again, just because of who I was and the people that I hung around, I was able to forget about that in a week. Yeah. Like, niggas may have laughed and joked about it. You may have felt bad. I may have felt bad. 01:28:54 Speaker 4: I thought about that before we did this show because we were talking about embarrassments and I knew I would that would probably come up. 01:29:00 Speaker 2: That shit lasted maybe four days. Maybe, max, four days, nigga. After that, nigga, who gave a fuck? I didn't care, nigga. I don't give a fuck about this coaching. Nobody on this team. 01:29:12 Speaker 3: But it was a lot at the time, though. 01:29:14 Speaker 4: It was a lot at the time, 100%, but that's how long it lasted about then, maybe four days. 01:29:19 Speaker 2: Now, people got footage and stuff. That shit lasts forever. 01:29:22 Speaker 4: That shit, that'll go with you through your whole childhood, nigga, and I could see it. how a child would be like, man, my life is over. And I don't know the answer to that. I ain't going to sit here and try to act like it. And we ain't necessarily come up with the answer. Just some thought patterns. Just some thought patterns. 01:29:37 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:29:37 Speaker 4: If someone who does have the answer want to come on the show and talk about it, I'd love to hear it. But I do not know how a young person that's 16, 17 now gets embarrassed. 01:29:47 Speaker 2: Beat up online, something happened to them. Like they did something dumb at school. It's taped. It go viral. Everybody retweeting it. Me and you laughing at it at 30 and 40 year olds. I don't know how somebody live that down, bro. I'll be honest with you. I don't know how that happens. 01:30:02 Speaker 3: You're right. 01:30:04 Speaker 1: I remember when I was a kid, me and my brother got in a fight, and I whooped him in the end. I remember all our cousins was around. They was laughing like, oh, oh, I mean, I'm whooping my brother. Like, we wrestling or whatever. I'm whooping him. 01:30:14 Speaker 2: Your younger brother? 01:30:16 Speaker 1: I'm the oldest, so he was my younger brother. He a year younger. We're 11 months. And so then my cousin steps up. 01:30:23 Speaker 2: Older than you? 01:30:26 Speaker 3: Older than me. And it's a girl. And she whooped me, bro. She whooped me. And we kids. And, bro, I was so embarrassed. I ran in the house and I hid under the bed. 01:30:40 Speaker 1: And at that time, bro, I feel like people will forever remember my girl cousin. 01:30:45 Speaker 3: Man, it was a gripper, bro. I might have been. 01:30:48 Speaker 2: Really young, like 8, 9? 01:30:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, it had to be really young, bro. It's probably around there because it's such a blur. 01:30:53 Speaker 2: That happened to me, though. 01:30:55 Speaker 4: When I was young, my girl cousin, because she was older than me, they would say, oh, man, she beat you up. Yeah. 01:31:00 Speaker 2: I remember that vividly still at 40 years old. Oh, man. We talking about some shit that happened when we was maybe seven or eight, maybe younger than that. 01:31:07 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:31:07 Speaker 2: Right? 01:31:07 Speaker 1: I remember. 01:31:08 Speaker 2: Until I got into my boy strength and was being a boy. 01:31:11 Speaker 3: Yeah. Fall back. 01:31:13 Speaker 2: We better keep her away from me. 01:31:14 Speaker 3: Yeah. 01:31:17 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I remember that being a thing maybe five, six years old and the jokes from your grandma and the other. 01:31:23 Speaker 3: Oh, man. 01:31:23 Speaker 2: Like, mom, like, she beat you up. 01:31:26 Speaker 1: I mean, they was like, well, yeah, they were looking for me. I was under the bed. I remember they was watching boxing pay-per-view. That's happened to me. Yeah, that's happened to me. 01:31:33 Speaker 3: I'll never forget that, bro. Like, I was just crazy. 01:31:37 Speaker 2: How many years ago was that? In over 30 years, right? 01:31:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. Definitely over 30 years. 01:31:40 Speaker 1: That was over 25 years ago, I think, or something. 01:31:43 Speaker 2: That happened to me. I'm 100%. Because, again, I have a cousin that's older than me, baby. three, four months older than me. 01:31:50 Speaker 1: Maybe one day I'll reach out and say if she remembers this. I may reach out. It might be the most random. I ain't talked to you in a long time. You're probably over a decade plus, but I may reach out just to be like, hey, you remember when you beat me up after I beat up my brother Bubba? 01:32:05 Speaker 4: That's still my closest member other than my mom. That cousin that we're talking about, that you're talking about, that you fight with, that's still the closest member of the family to me. 01:32:15 Speaker 2: We talk all the time like this and like that. I remember that and she does too. She remembers when it changed too. 01:32:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, you do. It's like, all right. As you cut it short, like, all right, bro. 01:32:27 Speaker 2: I definitely remember those moments. 01:32:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a lot of memories. I could have flooded y'all with so many embarrassing moments. I mean, life is full of, you know. 01:32:38 Speaker 2: As an adult, though, I don't think it's a lot, though, right? That was one of the things. 01:32:42 Speaker 3: Well, you know. 01:32:43 Speaker 4: As we wrap the conversation up, as an adult, There's been few and far between moments where I was like, yeah, it was embarrassing at the moment. 01:32:52 Speaker 2: Who gives a fuck, right? 01:32:53 Speaker 1: I mean, you

can be embarrassing and not have a lot of weight, though. 01:32:57 Speaker 3: Like, you can be embarrassing and not have a lot of weight. 01:32:59 Speaker 2: That's happened a lot more so. 01:33:00 Speaker 3: I mean, I spoke about, like, when I tried to, I. 01:33:07 Speaker 1: Don't even want to talk about this story no more. 01:33:09 Speaker 3: I think I told her over there about it. 01:33:11 Speaker 1: The dollar burger story with my wife and how I tried to do something like. 01:33:16 Speaker 3: What? 01:33:18 Speaker 1: I really don't want to share the story because every time I share it, I just look so dumb. I look so dumb in this, bro. I think I told it on the air before. But we was just at a point where I was like... We was just broke a lot because we was figuring out we had too many bills and not enough money, basically. 01:33:37 Speaker 3: We had car payments. We just had too many bills and not enough money. And so. 01:33:42 Speaker 1: I was trying to implement something early. This is what we're going to cut off. We ain't spending no more money. So we leave service and she's like, well, I want to go get a burger from Burger King. And I'm like, nah, we ain't spending nothing else. Whatever's at the house is what we doing. And she's like, I just want to get a dollar burger. I'm like, no, you're not getting nothing. I don't care if it's a dollar. 01:34:00 Speaker 2: Have you seen that? 01:34:01 Speaker 3: The Eddie Murphy what? 01:34:01 Speaker 2: You ain't never seen the McDonald's burger with Eddie Murphy? 01:34:06 Speaker 3: No, is that Saturday Night Live or something? 01:34:08 Speaker 2: Send it to me, please, bro. 01:34:12 Speaker 3: Please, send me that All in the Family joint too. 01:34:16 Speaker 2: It's with the guy, with the black dude. 01:34:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, please send it to me. 01:34:19 Speaker 4: It's the same exact scenario where you're saying the kids wanted to get McDonald's burgers and the nigga was like, we got burgers. 01:34:25 Speaker 2: At the convenience store. 01:34:26 Speaker 3: I've seen that, like, I don't know if you've seen that meme where they talk about. 01:34:30 Speaker 1: Alright, you know when people talk about the chicken sandwich, they're like, we got chicken sandwiches at home and they put, like, the chicken leg on some bread. Yeah. Like at the barbecue. So I was like, nah, we're not getting no more. We're not spending no more money. 01:34:45 Speaker 3: It's a dollar. It's a dollar 25. I don't care. We ain't spending nothing else. 01:34:48 Speaker 1: So it was definitely like I was in a doghouse for a little bit. And so I talked to her dad at the time when I was up. And he was just like, he was the first person, grown man. I felt like he really understood me. He was like, look, I get it. You're trying to set a principle. You're trying to set a precedent on what you're trying to do financially. You didn't want to spend no more money. 01:35:08 Speaker 3: I get it. I totally get it. 01:35:10 Speaker 1:

And then he brought it all the way back and said, but it's a dollar, bro. 01:35:16 Speaker 3: He did that. It just resonated. He was like, bro. He was like, it's a dollar. And then it just hit. I was like, you're right. It is a dollar. 01:35:23 Speaker 1: He's like, you got to pick and choose your battles. I was young married. I was like, you got to pick and choose your battles. Is this something you really want to be in an argument about? And I was like, no, not really. 01:35:32 Speaker 3: Do you really? Is it going to really hurt you like that? I was like, no. 01:35:40 Speaker 2: I couldn't be in a relationship and have to still figure out that type of shit and still be in love. 01:35:46 Speaker 3: Bro, well, it's work. 01:35:48 Speaker 1: I think the idea that's been presented to you, relationships are work. 01:35:53 Speaker 3: It's not just. 01:35:56 Speaker 2: I don't want to work on everything else while I'm working on my relationship, too. 01:36:00 Speaker 3: What's everything else? 01:36:01 Speaker 2: That's my biggest problem. Like what you're saying. Bro, if... If I have to worry about a dollar burger, I should be in a relationship. 01:36:10 Speaker 3: Nah, bro. You can't. 01:36:11 Speaker 1: Everything ain't always. The crime don't fit the bill all the time. Like, it ain't always like I can't. 01:36:16 Speaker 3: It's just more. 01:36:18 Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying it's a me thing. 01:36:20 Speaker 3: But why end it because you're trying to. 01:36:22 Speaker 4: A dollar burger or a $ 200 date or a $ 1, 500 vacation. I don't want to be in a relationship. 01:36:27 Speaker 2: Okay, those are totally different. 01:36:29 Speaker 1: We're talking a dollar burger. You and this goalpost is crazy. 01:36:33 Speaker 3: Come on. 01:36:33 Speaker 1: Let me just wrap the story. So when he said it, oh, man, I can't wait. So when the light bulb went off, I said, oh, you know what? It went through the week. She went to work on that Monday. I said, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go and get the dollar burger. And when she pull up, I'm going to have the burger with her. I'm going to be romantic and be like, look, I'm sorry. I got the burger. Even if she wouldn't have ate it, I was going to be romantic. But what ended up happening was I got to the drive-thru. I caught a flat tire. And I had to call her to come get me. Bro, because they car wasn't working. I mean, she had to drive thick. 01:37:07 Speaker 2: What were you thinking? When you got the flat tire. Oh, man. 01:37:10 Speaker 3: The whole gesture. 01:37:12 Speaker 2: Who was you cussing out? 01:37:13 Speaker 1: She was even more mad at me, bro. The whole gesture was over. So I tried to apologize. And then it was even worse. That's the crazy thing about me. She couldn't have been more mad. 01:37:25 Speaker 4: I would have been so mad at like everything in my existence. 01:37:32 Speaker 3: I was like, I tried to do the right thing. 01:37:35 Speaker 2: I'm trying

to do the right shit, bro. I would have been so. 01:37:39 Speaker 3: Like, it was cold outside. Oh man, bro. 01:37:42 Speaker 2: I don't even know if I would have been able to call my, like, I don't even know. I would have been there. 01:37:48 Speaker 3: Like, no, I let it marinate for a little bit. I was just, I was posted for a second part. But, yeah, man. 01:37:55 Speaker 2: What's any other way that I can get out of here? I mean, seriously. Besides calling my girl, what's another way that I can get out of here? 01:38:00 Speaker 3: I was down the street from the crib, though. That was the thing. 01:38:03 Speaker 1: I wasn't far out, so I was just like, but, man, like, I've got a lot of embarrassing moments. These things have just helped me to be able to be okay with when you look goofy. 01:38:13 Speaker 3: Like, I'm okay. This is what makes me someone. 01:38:15 Speaker 1: This is why, and we'll get out of here, but, like, this is why a relationship that I have with other men, I make them feel comfortable in regards to sharing things like this because I'm quick to put myself in that space was like yeah I broke trust me I've looked bad a lot a lot of times not in part not intentionally but it happened now I'm looking a little more smooth so I'm I've made male relation male relationships that I've had friendships I've made them feel more comfortable to be vulnerable in that way because I'm not gonna judge you because I got I got material bro That you can laugh out loud. 01:38:47 Speaker 2: I try to do that. That's a good point. I try to do that as well. With all my new male relationships or even the old ones, I'm not perfect, bro. 01:38:56 Speaker 4: So, like, anything that presents itself to you, like, you don't have to be embarrassed when shit happens. I think it's one of the biggest things as men that we do, like, we tend to get embarrassed when shit happens because we think that people think that we're perfect. 01:39:08 Speaker 2: That's not the fucking case at all. That shit happens to all of us, bro. And being able to, like, what you asked me in the beginning, what's the most important thing to me People being authentic, like, oh, nigga, you go outside, your car won't start, you need to jump. I don't care, nigga. I'm not gonna choke on you, bro. It's cool. You can ask me for shit. 01:39:25 Speaker 3: It's all right. 01:39:26 Speaker 2: Nigga, you need $ 10? Fine, bro. Just don't make that shit a habit. Don't do that shit. It's cool, bro. We all go through shit. 01:39:37 Speaker 4: That's one of the hardest things that we have to admit to each other as men. 01:39:40 Speaker 2: Like, bro, we all go through shit, bro. I ain't gonna judge you for some bullshit that you ask me. 01:39:45 Speaker 4: Ask me out of a genuine heart, and I'm going to be able to help you genuinely as well. 01:39:49 Speaker 2: We can keep it moving. We got to have a conversation about it. 01:39:52 Speaker 4: There ain't nothing you can do other than that, other than I got you. Feel comfortable in understanding that I. 01:39:57 Speaker 2: Got you, bro. Great way to end it. 01:40:00 Speaker 3: Great way to end it. Well, I agree. I'm just going to leave it at that, what Spike said. 01:40:07 Speaker 1: I don't necessarily have the thought pattern right now for the younger generation. What I would say is just understand that today is not tomorrow. So whatever goes viral, if you're online or whatever the case is, just understand today is not tomorrow. So whatever you're feeling today, whatever is viral on you today, whatever you look bad on today, today is not tomorrow. 01:40:25 Speaker 3: And tomorrow is not the next day. 01:40:27 Speaker 1: So just understand that don't make a today decision when things could be different tomorrow. That's all I would say as far as embarrassment goes. Spike, what you got going on before we get out of here, brother? 01:40:39 Speaker 2: All the normal stuff, man. DNA Sports on Tuesdays. Another week of the books on, of course, Fridays. Good earnings on Mondays. 01:40:50 Speaker 3: On deck. 01:40:50 Speaker 2: On deck on Wednesdays. Absolutely hip-hop. So make sure you tap into everything that we do. Be on the lookout for the new stuff that's happening for the end of the fourth quarter. Got some surprises for you guys. Can't wait till it happens, man. What about you, Mo? 01:41:05 Speaker 1: Man, hey, y'all stop playing and put me on deck, man. I'm about to start pulling up on y'all, man. I'm about to spin the block on both of y'all. Tell me what you want to do, man. Hey, if y'all put me on. 01:41:15 Speaker 2: Tell me what you want to do. Make the case. 01:41:18 Speaker 3: So you want like a concept episode again? Y'all going back to that bag? 01:41:21 Speaker 2: I don't care. I don't care. Just tell me what you want to do. 01:41:23 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to think on it because I know y'all kind of do like y'all now. 01:41:26 Speaker 3: Y'all fool ESPN with it. 01:41:28 Speaker 1: But if you're willing to do like a concept episode, then I'll come. 01:41:32 Speaker 3: Up with something. 01:41:33 Speaker 2: Make it make sense, and I'd love to have you on. Okay. 01:41:36 Speaker 1: I just want to do it before y'all be like, all right, bro. Either we moving this way or we gonna set it up. I gotta get in on that, bro. I love y'all so much and y'all show, so I gotta get on that. That's important to me. But like I said, another week of books every Friday. Mafia Mondays. Don't forget to get our podcast, Good Earnings Review of The Sopranos. It's getting better and better, man. Shouts out to Rich. And also, roll the audio drama series. Season four is coming out soon. Late fall is the goal. Early winter, but I'm really trying to do late fall. I know people are waiting on it, and so Y'all, in the meantime, go binge those first three seasons, man. 01:42:11 Speaker 3: It's out there. 01:42:12 Speaker 2: It's free. 01:42:13 Speaker 1: Go check it out, man. That's pretty much all that I got going on. It's another week in the books. 01:42:20 Speaker 2: We out. 01:42:21 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 01:42:22 Speaker 2: Another week in the books. Chapter 58. Wow.