Full Transcript for ACME Tractor Beam with Left of the Projector ("Daughter of Ferrix" Part 5)

like shipping 00:04:29.629 --> 00:04:35.189 containers. But I love those, like, Legos. But 00:04:35.189 --> 00:04:37.170 I love the original ones, too. You know, I have 00:04:37.170 --> 00:04:39.970 a huge Star Destroyer on the wall back there 00:04:39.970 --> 00:04:46.949 on a shelf. And as for Andor, you know, just 00:04:46.949 --> 00:04:51.290 I consume relentless and, you know, never -ending 00:04:51.290 --> 00:04:54.310 quantities of science fiction and fantasy television. 00:04:54.550 --> 00:04:56.610 So when it came out, I was like, oh, yeah, obviously. 00:04:56.750 --> 00:05:01.370 And Rogue One is the best. star wars movie uh 00:05:01.370 --> 00:05:05.189 we joke evan ward and i uh the host of lots of 00:05:05.189 --> 00:05:07.709 director we often joke that the only star wars 00:05:07.709 --> 00:05:10.990 canon that is actually meaningful or important 00:05:10.990 --> 00:05:12.930 and the only thing you need to actually watch 00:05:12.930 --> 00:05:16.750 is rogue one and and or season one and two that 00:05:16.750 --> 00:05:20.009 is the star wars canon in our opinion um so you 00:05:20.009 --> 00:05:24.279 know i'm like that's that's that's it What is 00:05:24.279 --> 00:05:27.139 it about Rogue One that you guys latch onto so 00:05:27.139 --> 00:05:29.720 hard? Because we've heard a lot of conflicting 00:05:29.720 --> 00:05:33.819 opinions about Rogue One. It is a kind of Rorschach 00:05:33.819 --> 00:05:39.959 test of a sort for a lot of fans. I mean, for 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:43.519 me, as far as Rogue One, I saw it in the theater. 00:05:43.980 --> 00:05:46.160 It's funny. I was just looking. Someone posted 00:05:46.160 --> 00:05:48.860 something online about to post the movie you 00:05:48.860 --> 00:05:51.439 vlog the most on Letterboxd. And for me, it's 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:55.509 actually Rogue One. slightly above the Lord of 00:05:55.509 --> 00:06:01.189 the Rings trilogy. But I, it's interesting you 00:06:01.189 --> 00:06:03.050 say that some people have difference of opinions 00:06:03.050 --> 00:06:06.110 on it. I mean, I think that the characters in 00:06:06.110 --> 00:06:08.990 Rogue One get so much more interesting when they 00:06:08.990 --> 00:06:11.209 get fleshed out in Andor. Like you just, you 00:06:11.209 --> 00:06:13.370 want more, you almost wish that it had gone in 00:06:13.370 --> 00:06:15.449 the other direction that Andor came out first 00:06:15.449 --> 00:06:17.470 and then they made Rogue One. Yeah. With some 00:06:17.470 --> 00:06:20.370 of those ideas in mind and just some of the characters 00:06:20.370 --> 00:06:24.120 who just don't get as much. love as they should 00:06:24.120 --> 00:06:26.199 have, or they do in Rogue One. But it wouldn't 00:06:26.199 --> 00:06:27.879 be Star Wars unless it was out of order, so it's 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:31.620 perfect. Exactly. The order makes no difference. 00:06:31.639 --> 00:06:34.899 Especially Melchi. He is in the episode we're 00:06:34.899 --> 00:06:38.860 going to talk about, but in the movie, he's good, 00:06:38.939 --> 00:06:41.879 but he doesn't get, I feel like, as much of a 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:44.019 story as he could have if it had been done in 00:06:44.019 --> 00:06:46.680 reverse. But I love Andor because I think the 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:50.689 politics... are by far the best of any Star Wars 00:06:50.689 --> 00:06:54.670 piece of content. And it's honestly just a miracle 00:06:54.670 --> 00:06:59.389 that it exists. I thank my lucky stars every 00:06:59.389 --> 00:07:01.550 day. Yeah, I mean, you guys deal a lot with watching 00:07:01.550 --> 00:07:04.129 shows through a leftist perspective. And I guess 00:07:04.129 --> 00:07:06.730 we go through our insanity of trying to process 00:07:06.730 --> 00:07:09.149 the show through politics. How do you interpret 00:07:09.149 --> 00:07:11.089 shows that have good politics? And how do you 00:07:11.089 --> 00:07:14.220 think they fit in the media ecosystem? things 00:07:14.220 --> 00:07:16.160 to be enjoyed or are things to be learned from 00:07:16.160 --> 00:07:18.620 or are they false hope that people get obsessed 00:07:18.620 --> 00:07:20.579 with they think that the answers will be solved 00:07:20.579 --> 00:07:22.800 by if enough people watch this movie sort of 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:25.019 like what what is your view of how to view these 00:07:25.019 --> 00:07:30.120 sort of pieces as leftist art bill um i don't 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:31.779 think there's one answer to that question yeah 00:07:31.779 --> 00:07:34.139 i think oh no sorry no that was the answer now 00:07:34.139 --> 00:07:41.000 sorry um i think that i think that all of those 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:44.279 are the correct answer You know, like I, you 00:07:44.279 --> 00:07:49.610 know, I remember back when, you know, uh, in 00:07:49.889 --> 00:07:53.389 the, in the, the, the old days of, uh, the, uh, 00:07:53.449 --> 00:07:56.910 the first Trump term. Um, and now mind you, that 00:07:56.910 --> 00:07:59.490 is not the, like, you know, it's not the Genesis 00:07:59.490 --> 00:08:03.310 of my, my leftist politics, but I remember, um, 00:08:03.569 --> 00:08:10.490 the, the whole, um, what's that guy? Handmaid's 00:08:10.490 --> 00:08:13.720 tale. And, you know, all the people showing up 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:17.639 at this stuff, and there is, you know, a tendency 00:08:17.639 --> 00:08:21.920 amongst people, you know, not only online, but 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:26.889 also in organizing, to a certain extent, to kind 00:08:26.889 --> 00:08:29.230 of, you know, poo -poo, you know, people like, 00:08:29.269 --> 00:08:31.430 oh, those, you know, people that show up in their, 00:08:31.490 --> 00:08:33.269 like, Handmaid's costumes, da -da -da -da -da. 00:08:34.049 --> 00:08:39.049 And I... have always found that to be very dismissive 00:08:39.049 --> 00:08:41.350 and it's like i it doesn't matter how people 00:08:41.350 --> 00:08:48.039 come to things you know that that like that

inspired 00:08:48.039 --> 00:08:50.600 them they they learn something you know like 00:08:50.600 --> 00:08:53.759 just because handmaid's tale doesn't do anything 00:08:53.759 --> 00:08:58.159 for me as like a piece of media um and i found 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:02.909 the cultural you know obsession with it absurd 00:09:02.909 --> 00:09:07.539 and overblown um and kind of like blind to things 00:09:07.539 --> 00:09:10.659 but like that's for me but plenty of people they 00:09:10.659 --> 00:09:13.279 came to and that that's what matters you know 00:09:13.279 --> 00:09:19.870 i mean as a as an atheist uh i've always seen 00:09:19.870 --> 00:09:21.950 like you know i'm like i've taken so much of 00:09:21.950 --> 00:09:27.070 my um my philosophical and my ideological you 00:09:27.070 --> 00:09:31.529 know learning from fiction and the stories we 00:09:31.529 --> 00:09:34.970 tell each other and the stories we as a As a 00:09:34.970 --> 00:09:38.190 society tell, and that's important. And it's 00:09:38.190 --> 00:09:40.809 like, just because it was, just because the story 00:09:40.809 --> 00:09:44.889 was made by me, just because the story was produced 00:09:44.889 --> 00:09:47.789 by a major corporation does not mean it cannot 00:09:47.789 --> 00:09:50.950 be inspiring to, to the working class. It cannot 00:09:50.950 --> 00:09:54.149 just because it was produced by somebody who 00:09:54.149 --> 00:09:57.309 hates you. Doesn't mean you can't take that and 00:09:57.309 --> 00:10:00.070 use it against them. Like you still can, you 00:10:00.070 --> 00:10:04.720 know? Just as much as like I can take the lessons 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:07.460 that Lord of the Rings, you know, written by 00:10:07.460 --> 00:10:10.039 Tolkien, not the movie, the books written by 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:12.500 Tolkien, just as much as I can take the stories 00:10:12.500 --> 00:10:16.220 that Tolkien wrote and apply them to my, you 00:10:16.220 --> 00:10:21.179 know, personal philosophy on life and how you 00:10:21.179 --> 00:10:24.059 move through life and address things or more 00:10:24.059 --> 00:10:27.419 appropriately. Like Terry Pratchett, which has 00:10:27.419 --> 00:10:30.460 been so meaningful to my moral underpinnings 00:10:30.460 --> 00:10:34.340 as I grew and to understand and think about things. 00:10:35.230 --> 00:10:37.149 And when you're gone, all of your unfinished 00:10:37.149 --> 00:10:39.210 podcasts will be driven over by a giant truck 00:10:39.210 --> 00:10:56.320 destroying all the hard drives. I don't know 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:59.379 if you guys saw the news that Trump announced 00:10:59.379 --> 00:11:04.220 the new United States Space Forms uniforms that 00:11:04.220 --> 00:11:08.320 are, they are sighting as inspired by Starship 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:14.039 Troopers, which is the most baffling thing. What 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:15.919 level of irony are we on? You're going to make 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:19.120 Evan's head explode. He's going to explode right 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:25.240 now. he's going to die oh my god it's everywhere 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:29.559 he's gonna die i feel like starship troopers 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:32.600 is like my roman empire it's just like one of 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:34.700 those things that when people misinterpret it 00:11:34.700 --> 00:11:39.399 it just makes me go crazy and when i saw people 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:42.220 posting the thing and then other people replied 00:11:42.220 --> 00:11:44.500 not satirically saying like what do you mean 00:11:44.500 --> 00:11:45.879 it's not what's the big deal that they copied 00:11:45.879 --> 00:11:49.679 starship troopers it's like guys guys i think 00:11:49.679 --> 00:11:51.259 the problem is that people are not misinterpreting 00:11:51.259 --> 00:11:52.899 it i think people are interpreting it and going 00:11:52.899 --> 00:11:55.360 but this is good actually i think that's the 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:58.340 situation we're in that's going it is about fascism 00:11:58.340 --> 00:12:00.860 and i think the fascism is cool yeah no i mean 00:12:00.860 --> 00:12:04.220 that's that's yeah yeah but like people yeah 00:12:04.220 --> 00:12:08.820 i don't think that detracts from the number of 00:12:08.820 --> 00:12:12.960 people that it does that these things do inspire 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:16.340 yeah like you're always gonna have both this 00:12:16.759 --> 00:12:18.740 There's always going to be both sides. Like, 00:12:18.759 --> 00:12:21.399 it's never going to be 100%, like, you know, 00:12:21.440 --> 00:12:25.159 100%. I mean, if we want to go, like, again, 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:28.419 go back to, like, I draw parallels to religion 00:12:28.419 --> 00:12:30.519 and, like, holy texts. You know, like, how, like, 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:34.360 to me, fiction guides me in the way that people 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:36.220 look at, like, you know, the Bible. And I'm like, 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:39.600 listen, people have also taken the Bible radically 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:46.539 different ways. Yeah. no i think that's that's 00:12:46.539 --> 00:12:49.840 true about the um when you when you mentioned 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:51.559 starship 2 i thought you were going to say something 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:53.860 else but i lost what i was going to say but i'm 00:12:53.860 --> 00:12:57.039 just like aneurysm the parallel version of like 00:12:57.039 --> 00:12:59.919 our podcast of being like right -wingers going 00:12:59.919 --> 00:13:01.740 through like paul verhoeven's cinematography 00:13:01.740 --> 00:13:03.120 and going like you know there's really to be 00:13:03.120 --> 00:13:05.039 you know maybe this is not our politics but there's 00:13:05.039 --> 00:13:06.720 things to be taken from this it's such a funny 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:09.100 concept of them having to do like turkish delight 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:12.779 I mean, they're legitimately people who watch 00:13:12.779 --> 00:13:17.159 Star Wars

unironically and are like, the rebels 00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:23.879 are like the right. Yeah. And the empire is communists. 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:28.399 I mean, just unironically. The Jedi are religious 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:31.899 and the empire is a stateless religion. It's 00:13:31.899 --> 00:13:34.679 a state without religion. There's an easy understanding 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:37.299 of that framing being like, oh, if you're a religious 00:13:37.299 --> 00:13:39.100 fanatic that's being oppressed by the state. 00:13:40.179 --> 00:13:44.019 And the Jedi are these ineffectual liberals who 00:13:44.019 --> 00:13:48.259 are high on their own supply and don't realize 00:13:48.259 --> 00:13:52.120 the real struggles happening all across the galaxy. 00:13:52.500 --> 00:13:55.440 To go back to the question you asked, why do 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:59.299 we each love Rogue One so much? One of the reasons 00:13:59.299 --> 00:14:02.419 for me is I fucking hate the Jedi. Wait, can 00:14:02.419 --> 00:14:06.299 we curse? We can curse. I fucking hate the Jedi 00:14:06.299 --> 00:14:14.450 and there's no Jedi. i hate the jedi a cab does 00:14:14.450 --> 00:14:18.470 include jedi is the official position of and 00:14:18.470 --> 00:14:20.470 orcs i mean i don't know if george lucas's point 00:14:20.470 --> 00:14:23.769 was to make the jedi suck yeah it was he did 00:14:23.769 --> 00:14:25.889 he was really successful at it well that's what 00:14:25.889 --> 00:14:28.549 the prequels are all about dude like so we were 00:14:28.549 --> 00:14:31.090 talking about you know not finding anything redeeming 00:14:31.090 --> 00:14:33.330 in the prequels like one of the big things is 00:14:33.330 --> 00:14:37.830 that The Jedi have become so cloistered away 00:14:37.830 --> 00:14:40.570 from the rest of the galaxy that they lose touch 00:14:40.570 --> 00:14:43.409 with the Force and now are no longer able to 00:14:43.409 --> 00:14:47.210 see the obvious evil that is rising up right 00:14:47.210 --> 00:14:50.039 in front of them. That's what the High Republic 00:14:50.039 --> 00:14:53.240 presupposes is that like at some point in the 00:14:53.240 --> 00:14:55.460 galaxy, the Jedi were good. But then through 00:14:55.460 --> 00:14:59.399 shows like the Acolyte, you see how they, you 00:14:59.399 --> 00:15:02.940 know, became corrupted and eventually, you know, 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:05.899 fell apart. This is an audio presentation, so 00:15:05.899 --> 00:15:08.159 you can't see. So audience, you couldn't see 00:15:08.159 --> 00:15:11.940 the hard eye roll I put at the notion that the 00:15:11.940 --> 00:15:17.029 Jedi were ever good. Yeah, that I mean, that's 00:15:17.029 --> 00:15:19.809 part of also, I also didn't say that with Andor 00:15:19.809 --> 00:15:22.250 itself is that I mean, you do have at some point, 00:15:22.269 --> 00:15:25.210 like a bit of the force type of stuff. But as 00:15:25.210 --> 00:15:28.549 a whole, it's more about the people that actually

00:15:28.549 --> 00:15:30.610 make a rebellion happen. I think that's what's 00:15:30.610 --> 00:15:34.169 so important about Andor is that you see that 00:15:34.169 --> 00:15:37.269 rebellion and you see that revolution is a messy 00:15:37.269 --> 00:15:41.639 business. People die, people get hurt. You have 00:15:41.639 --> 00:15:43.659 to make choices that are tough. I mean, earlier 00:15:43.659 --> 00:15:45.740 in the episode that we'll eventually talk about, 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:49.059 there are hard choices that are made. Very hard 00:15:49.059 --> 00:15:53.659 choices. And they don't shy away from it. And 00:15:53.659 --> 00:15:56.799 it's actually shocking sometimes just that Disney 00:15:56.799 --> 00:16:01.120 let this happen. And I get it. It's a huge corporation. 00:16:01.480 --> 00:16:03.340 People aren't going to all get it in the way 00:16:03.340 --> 00:16:06.519 that we get it necessarily, but it does sometimes 00:16:06.519 --> 00:16:08.960 shock. I think it is very clear. It could have 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:10.980 just been like Kathleen Kennedy. Yeah. Willed 00:16:10.980 --> 00:16:14.389 this into existence. And this was something that 00:16:14.389 --> 00:16:16.830 she had to make. And she, someone pointed it 00:16:16.830 --> 00:16:19.629 out. It's like, Andor is the most expensive Star 00:16:19.629 --> 00:16:21.549 Wars thing that's ever been made. Like she put 00:16:21.549 --> 00:16:24.210 in all of her chips on getting this made. So 00:16:24.210 --> 00:16:26.190 I think. And it's the best. It kind of has to 00:16:26.190 --> 00:16:28.549 involve her. Yeah. Worth every penny. Yeah. Worth 00:16:28.549 --> 00:16:31.470 every penny. Wasn't my money. All right. The 00:16:31.470 --> 00:16:33.110 Jedi was never good. It's just reminding me of 00:16:33.110 --> 00:16:34.750 which popular Simpsons characters have died in 00:16:34.750 --> 00:16:37.009 the past year. It's the Petey Gunn -Murphys and 00:16:37.009 --> 00:16:39.250 Dr. Monroe. You're wrong. They were never popular. 00:16:42.419 --> 00:16:45.360 I don't know what you're talking about. Bill's 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:50.210 not a Simpsons guy. That's a season one joke. 00:16:53.399 --> 00:16:56.039 I love that we're just going to always torture 00:16:56.039 --> 00:16:58.840 Bill with Simpsons references. We did it all 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:01.820 throughout Okja and it's back. It's back today. 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:06.259 My wife did it the other day to me. It was four 00:17:06.259 --> 00:17:08.099 to one last time, so it's a little bit more easy. 00:17:10.430 --> 00:17:12.690 I try, Bill. Like, normally it doesn't come up. 00:17:12.730 --> 00:17:17.109 Maybe just because I've muted myself to leave 00:17:17.109 --> 00:17:20.529 you. This is a safe space, Evan, for you to make 00:17:20.529 --> 00:17:22.970 your Simpsons references. They will be appreciated. 00:17:22.990 --> 00:17:25.109 Let me get out my list. Do it. Go for it. Go 00:17:25.109 --> 00:17:31.299 for it. Use the

fork. Speaking of, you know, 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:34.599 goofy nonsense with the Simpsons, we have a question 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:37.799 we like to ask around here, which is, in honor 00:17:37.799 --> 00:17:42.450 of... The late, great WTF with Marc Maron. We'd 00:17:42.450 --> 00:17:45.410 like to know, who are your glupshiddos? Who are 00:17:45.410 --> 00:17:47.650 your glups? I should start doing a Maron. Who 00:17:47.650 --> 00:17:50.609 are your glups? Who are your glups? Do you want 00:17:50.609 --> 00:17:55.009 to go first, Bill? I don't know what you're going 00:17:55.009 --> 00:17:56.890 to say, so I don't know whether I want you to 00:17:56.890 --> 00:17:59.069 go first. We briefly were discussing this amongst 00:17:59.069 --> 00:18:03.410 us, what we were thinking. I feel like mine is 00:18:03.410 --> 00:18:08.750 sort of... Both I do want to know more, but I 00:18:08.750 --> 00:18:11.710 also hate the person's character in a way that 00:18:11.710 --> 00:18:17.369 is funny. But at the same time, it reminds me. 00:18:17.890 --> 00:18:20.269 I'm going to say this. Well, first I'll say who 00:18:20.269 --> 00:18:24.460 it is. It's Cyril's mom, Edie Kern. Great choice. 00:18:24.660 --> 00:18:27.339 I was about to say that she reminds me a lot 00:18:27.339 --> 00:18:32.700 of my own mother. All of my mothers. Same here, 00:18:32.799 --> 00:18:37.960 bud. Okay. It's so brutal. And the thing about 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:41.859 her is that she talks that she's very much this, 00:18:41.859 --> 00:18:45.180 you know, this overbearing, in my mind, Jewish 00:18:45.180 --> 00:18:48.559 mother kind of style. And I really would love 00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:51.099 to know more about her, like the uncle they talk 00:18:51.099 --> 00:18:54.140 about and just their family situation and everything. 00:18:55.119 --> 00:18:58.819 And you never find out any of that. We do have 00:18:58.819 --> 00:19:01.140 a sub question that appears if Edie is discussed, 00:19:01.339 --> 00:19:05.759 which is. We never get to see Uncle Harlow. Yeah. 00:19:06.140 --> 00:19:09.839 Who would you wish could play Uncle Harlow? Ooh. 00:19:10.700 --> 00:19:16.539 Wow. Oh, man. Some populars are Richard Kind, 00:19:16.819 --> 00:19:20.990 Harvey Feinerstein, Henry Winkler, Martin Short, 00:19:21.130 --> 00:19:22.529 Jerry Stiller. I think it has to be someone a 00:19:22.529 --> 00:19:24.670 little bit more mean. It's Michael Rapaport. 00:19:24.809 --> 00:19:30.910 It can't be Michael Rapaport. The worst human 00:19:30.910 --> 00:19:33.750 being alive. Who's that? It's Michael Rapaport. 00:19:33.769 --> 00:19:37.130 I'm sorry, that's the answer. It can't be Henry 00:19:37.130 --> 00:19:41.730 Winkler. Are you kidding me? If he's like a sweet 00:19:41.730 --> 00:19:44.089 guy, it's really funny that he's that mean. That's 00:19:44.089 --> 00:19:46.990 the funny part. Yeah, I could see that. But Uncle 00:19:46.990 --> 00:19:51.329 Harlow is clearly supposed to be kind of like 00:19:51.329 --> 00:19:55.329 a criminal? I just can't imagine Henry Winkler 00:19:55.329 --> 00:20:00.430 doing that. I would, I'm never happy to see Michael 00:20:00.430 --> 00:20:03.730 Rappaport, but if he showed up as Uncle Harlow, 00:20:03.829 --> 00:20:07.690 that might win me over. Especially if he got 00:20:07.690 --> 00:20:12.190 a really ignoble death. The thing about being 00:20:12.190 --> 00:20:14.970 Richard Kind is actually, I think would be pretty 00:20:14.970 --> 00:20:17.509 funny in just that that's this, he's like this 00:20:17.509 --> 00:20:22.609 super nice guy, as you're saying. But yeah, I'm 00:20:22.609 --> 00:20:26.640 thinking. I had an idea, but I can't think of 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:29.619 the actor's name. It'll come to me. I also have 00:20:29.619 --> 00:20:31.500 to say, just because you mentioned Richard Kind, 00:20:31.619 --> 00:20:34.119 is that I used to belong to the same gym as him. 00:20:35.140 --> 00:20:38.059 I would see him at the gym on the treadmill, 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:41.569 like power walking. That's beautiful. He's got 00:20:41.569 --> 00:20:43.750 to stay healthy. We need him around as long as 00:20:43.750 --> 00:20:48.930 possible. Yeah, I'm trying to think. Well, Edie 00:20:48.930 --> 00:20:53.470 is a great glup show. First time nominee. Yeah. 00:20:53.980 --> 00:20:57.700 Thank you for inducting Edie into the Glupshido 00:20:57.700 --> 00:21:00.730 Hall of Fame. I think we decided at some point 00:21:00.730 --> 00:21:02.490 that Watto was Armenian, but Edie's goes to the 00:21:02.490 --> 00:21:06.329 Jews. I think that's in the agreement. Bill, 00:21:06.529 --> 00:21:09.529 do you have a Glupshido? So, yeah, we have discussed 00:21:09.529 --> 00:21:12.309 this at length. I've discussed this with my wife, 00:21:12.410 --> 00:21:15.230 and I feel it would be disingenuous for me to 00:21:15.230 --> 00:21:17.630 basically be like, I have a Glupshido. Because 00:21:17.630 --> 00:21:25.259 I don't. Because I have never... The joke I made 00:21:25.259 --> 00:21:30.500 to Evan was that we don't qualify. Like, we can't 00:21:30.500 --> 00:21:33.279 even claim Glob Shadows because our canon literally 00:21:33.279 --> 00:21:36.720 is Rogue One, Andor, Season One, and Season Two. 00:21:36.980 --> 00:21:39.859 You can pick someone from Rogue One and Andor. 00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:42.980 That's totally valid. That's Star Wars, baby. 00:21:44.079 --> 00:21:46.559 There's one Andor character who was one nominee 00:21:46.559 --> 00:21:48.259 away from the five -time Earth Club. But the 00:21:48.259 --> 00:21:50.859 definition of a Glob Shadow is that you want 00:21:50.859 --> 00:21:53.750 them to come back. in like something else and 00:21:53.750 --> 00:21:57.049 i'm like that's it it's over it's done i'm like 00:21:57.049 --> 00:22:01.609 we're done but mel she is a glup shitto i would 00:22:01.609 --> 00:22:03.930 say i don't think yeah okay see this thing i 00:22:03.930 --> 00:22:07.250 don't think mel

she i would say mel she but i 00:22:07.250 --> 00:22:10.789 don't like i'm like he's too important to be 00:22:10.789 --> 00:22:14.470 a glup so right now the one that is closest is 00:22:14.470 --> 00:22:19.740 two tubes he's one of saw guerrera's uh yes i 00:22:19.740 --> 00:22:23.210 know dudes Yeah. I mean, see, you know, your 00:22:23.210 --> 00:22:27.849 club shit. Oh, two tubes. You've got your fucking 00:22:27.849 --> 00:22:30.589 star Wars. Legos. Don't act like you're a pub 00:22:30.589 --> 00:22:35.450 club shit. There's a mini fig in one of those 00:22:35.450 --> 00:22:38.849 that you're always happy to see. Okay. And that's 00:22:38.849 --> 00:22:41.730 your glove. I mean, if, if I'm actually going 00:22:41.730 --> 00:22:44.250 to say it would be literally, it's about it's 00:22:44.250 --> 00:22:46.829 battle droids. I love the battle droids amuse 00:22:46.829 --> 00:22:51.559 me to no end or. The Drudicas. I love the Drudicas 00:22:51.559 --> 00:22:55.529 and their stupid force field bubbles, which make 00:22:55.529 --> 00:23:01.349 zero sense. The other one that I didn't discuss 00:23:01.349 --> 00:23:03.650 with you, Bill, that I didn't say, but my backup 00:23:03.650 --> 00:23:06.410 was going to be the Andy Serkis character, Kino 00:23:06.410 --> 00:23:08.450 Loy, just because I really just want to know 00:23:08.450 --> 00:23:10.269 why he went to prison. And I'm sure it's something 00:23:10.269 --> 00:23:11.829 like, I'm sure he did something really cool. 00:23:11.970 --> 00:23:15.630 Yeah. Well, originally you asked, do you think 00:23:15.630 --> 00:23:22.490 K2 counts? And I'm like, no, he doesn't. Yeah. 00:23:22.490 --> 00:23:25.049 Yeah, I think when they are, like, one of the 00:23:25.049 --> 00:23:29.509 major stars of a movie, you don't get to use 00:23:29.509 --> 00:23:32.009 them. See, that's why I don't think Melshi counts. 00:23:32.369 --> 00:23:35.069 I don't think Melshi counts. Otherwise, I would 00:23:35.069 --> 00:23:37.589 say Melshi. But in season one, he's not a recurring 00:23:37.589 --> 00:23:39.950 character. If you saw the trailer for Mandalorian 00:23:39.950 --> 00:23:43.529 and Grogu 2, and fucking Melshi walks by, as 00:23:43.529 --> 00:23:45.410 you're in a movie theater, and you go, oh my 00:23:45.410 --> 00:23:49.390 god, it's Melshi. That's a club shitto. And also, 00:23:49.450 --> 00:23:53.230 is your wife next to you or whatever family you're 00:23:53.230 --> 00:23:55.349 there with, are they going to know who Melchie 00:23:55.349 --> 00:23:58.309 is? No, they're not. My wife would know. Well, 00:23:58.329 --> 00:24:00.690 maybe your wife would, but any other normal person 00:24:00.690 --> 00:24:03.190 next to you is not going to know. No, that's 00:24:03.190 --> 00:24:06.210 true. I don't know. To be fair, I don't know 00:24:06.210 --> 00:24:14.329 normal people. Wait, Alex, please. Is there actually 00:24:14.329 --> 00:24:17.720 going to be a Mandalorian in Grogu 2? No. Oh, 00:24:17.720 --> 00:24:20.400 thank God. It's Grogu. It's Mandalorian and Grogu. 00:24:20.859 --> 00:24:25.680 I just watched the first one. It is truly abysmal. 00:24:27.329 --> 00:24:29.269 Mandalorian and Grogu? They could have two. It's 00:24:29.269 --> 00:24:36.099 so bad. uh we yeah for our patreon episode patreon 00:24:36.099 --> 00:24:39.400 .com slash and orcs pod we talked about mandalorian 00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:42.220 and grogu for three hours and we drank one and 00:24:42.220 --> 00:24:45.559 a half liters of wine while doing it i regret 00:24:45.559 --> 00:24:47.700 that tells you a bit about our thoughts i wish 00:24:47.700 --> 00:24:51.900 that i had been invited to that you need to get 00:24:51.900 --> 00:24:54.140 out now's the time i would when mandalorian and 00:24:54.140 --> 00:24:57.640 grogu 2 happens starring melchi we will have 00:24:57.640 --> 00:24:59.839 you i would have drank whiskey it would have 00:24:59.839 --> 00:25:04.309 been messy Well, it's a good thing that it looks 00:25:04.309 --> 00:25:06.349 like the Dave Filoni movie is happening. Yeah, 00:25:06.349 --> 00:25:10.109 there will be another movie that ties up all 00:25:10.109 --> 00:25:14.890 of the Mandalorian and Ahsoka stories into one 00:25:14.890 --> 00:25:19.369 big, beautiful movie. Thank God. Thank God. The 00:25:19.369 --> 00:25:22.930 movie nobody asked for. Coming to Disney+. What 00:25:22.930 --> 00:25:25.730 was the total domestic hume for Mandalorian Grogu? 00:25:25.910 --> 00:25:28.819 I literally just saw it. I think it was like 00:25:28.819 --> 00:25:33.240 $130 million. That's so bad. No, $300 million, 00:25:33.420 --> 00:25:37.200 I think. Is that global or domestic? $345 million. 00:25:37.880 --> 00:25:39.880 That's like what you sent. Was it you, Bill? 00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:42.880 You sent to our group chat. That's total. That's 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:45.640 what I was going to pull up. There's a picture 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:48.680 of Rogue One, Solo, and Mandalorian Grogu, like 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:50.220 how much they made. And they're saying like, 00:25:50.299 --> 00:25:53.400 why are the movies that aren't part of the saga 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:55.799 failing? And it's like. Rogue One didn't fail. 00:25:55.880 --> 00:25:58.180 It made a billion dollars. Well, no. Yeah. It 00:25:58.180 --> 00:26:00.220 says, okay, this is the picture, okay? It says, 00:26:00.279 --> 00:26:03.319 other than Rogue One. Oh, right. Why are the 00:26:03.319 --> 00:26:05.200 movies that are not part of the main Skywalker 00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:08.000 saga found at the box office despite receiving 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:10.660 decent critical responses? And then, okay, Rogue 00:26:10.660 --> 00:26:17.559 One is listed, $1 .059 billion. Solo, $393 million. 00:26:17.779 --> 00:26:21.660 And Mandalorian and Grogu, $345 .8 million. Because 00:26:21.660 --> 00:26:25.579 they're bad. that's why there's only there's 00:26:25.579 --> 00:26:26.940 only three of them you're

making it seem like 00:26:26.940 --> 00:26:29.119 there's like been 10 of them i know yeah there's 00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:31.279 there's only been three of them and two of two 00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:35.660 of those three are fucking bad that's why and 00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:39.920 also like you know uh force awakens was uh the 00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:43.960 first star wars movie in you know decade Then 00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:46.720 you had Rogue One, which was still novel to be 00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:49.700 getting new Star Wars movies. And then Last Jedi 00:26:49.700 --> 00:26:53.619 became the biggest cultural nuclear bomb of all 00:26:53.619 --> 00:26:56.960 time. And then at that point, Star Wars became 00:26:56.960 --> 00:27:02.480 radioactive to talk about. And so... Solo comes 00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:06.119 out way too soon after Last Jedi to the point 00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:08.380 that everyone's done. Yeah, literally six months 00:27:08.380 --> 00:27:12.220 after Last Jedi. And they got over their skis 00:27:12.220 --> 00:27:14.619 and then people got sick of it. The thing was, 00:27:14.660 --> 00:27:18.380 they made a movie almost every single year or 00:27:18.380 --> 00:27:23.599 a sub movie within from 2015, 16, 17, 18. I think 00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:26.700 there was a movie every year. Yeah. And then 00:27:26.700 --> 00:27:29.559 they waited a long time. They made tons of shows 00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:31.809 that were successful. And then they make this 00:27:31.809 --> 00:27:33.569 Mando movie, and it's just like, that could have 00:27:33.569 --> 00:27:37.089 just been another season of the show, or an episode 00:27:37.089 --> 00:27:39.250 of the show. Yeah, it could have been two episodes. 00:27:39.809 --> 00:27:42.529 I mean, they said that. They said that they were 00:27:42.529 --> 00:27:45.829 writing season four of Mandalorian, and then 00:27:45.829 --> 00:27:48.609 were told, what if we do a movie instead? They're 00:27:48.609 --> 00:27:50.710 like, oh. And they said they wrote an original 00:27:50.710 --> 00:27:54.009 script that could work as a standalone film. 00:27:55.009 --> 00:27:58.369 They were wrong. Yeah, they claimed could work, 00:27:58.410 --> 00:28:02.640 and it could not. I mean, look, it does work 00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:05.900 as a standalone. You don't need to watch it and 00:28:05.900 --> 00:28:08.319 nothing changes. The one thing the movie did 00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:10.200 give us is now the video of all the people in 00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:11.759 the Road to the Hut costumes going like, I'm 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:15.759 my own man. I'm my own man in a row. I resent 00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:20.740 the implication that it is a film. I don't think 00:28:20.740 --> 00:28:24.319 it counts as a movie. Like, it counts as a movie 00:28:24.319 --> 00:28:29.130 in the very loosest sense of the word. Yeah, 00:28:29.170 --> 00:28:33.710 it is a series of it is a strong. It's just a 00:28:33.710 --> 00:28:37.190 strung together sequence of events involving 00:28:37.190 --> 00:28:42.710 a loose smattering of moving figures on the screen. 00:28:43.089 --> 00:28:47.849 That's what it is. It barely has a plot. It's 00:28:47.849 --> 00:28:50.589 got a lot of puppets, though. Can't make me hate 00:28:50.589 --> 00:28:53.150 a movie with a lot of puppets. I'm sorry. I mean, 00:28:53.190 --> 00:28:54.809 listen, you know what? I can't argue with that. 00:28:56.559 --> 00:28:58.240 movie though which sounds really interesting 00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:00.400 i can't argue with that since i have to say that 00:29:00.400 --> 00:29:03.180 same argument about any movie involving dinosaurs 00:29:03.180 --> 00:29:12.670 yeah exactly well luckily andor has a very great 00:29:12.670 --> 00:29:15.910 plot and i think maybe it's time for us to dive 00:29:15.910 --> 00:29:18.549 into our seven minutes this week what do you 00:29:18.549 --> 00:29:22.269 guys say yeah sounds good to me let's hop in 00:29:22.269 --> 00:29:25.019 the fondor Yeah, we're hopping in the Fondor 00:29:25.019 --> 00:29:30.140 because last week on Andor. Not the Fandor, the 00:29:30.140 --> 00:29:34.920 Fondor. Luthen turned down Saw's help and on 00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:38.579 his way home, his call with Kleia got jammed. 00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:42.859 And this week we return to find the source is 00:29:42.859 --> 00:29:47.400 a Cantwell class arrestor cruiser hot on Luthen's 00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:49.980 tail. So you guys just missed a lot of Saw. Did 00:29:49.980 --> 00:29:51.299 you guys want to talk Saw at all? We'll give 00:29:51.299 --> 00:29:53.450 you a little. I'll say, I mean, you can say something 00:29:53.450 --> 00:29:54.910 to Bill, but the thing that I mean, I mentioned 00:29:54.910 --> 00:29:58.349 before how what makes the show so good is the 00:29:58.349 --> 00:30:00.730 like the hard choices that you don't usually 00:30:00.730 --> 00:30:02.950 see in movies. Like how often is there a show 00:30:02.950 --> 00:30:05.390 or movie where a character just talks to another 00:30:05.390 --> 00:30:08.200 character where they're going to give up the 00:30:08.200 --> 00:30:14.210 lives of 30 people, 31 people. And, you know, 00:30:14.210 --> 00:30:17.930 there's 30 people and Anton Krieger. Yeah. And 00:30:17.930 --> 00:30:20.900 Krieger. He has to say that multiple times. But 00:30:20.900 --> 00:30:24.140 that isn't a thing you see, especially in a Disney 00:30:24.140 --> 00:30:27.099 property, even a Star Wars type of thing. So 00:30:27.099 --> 00:30:31.619 just willing to go there always made me... I 00:30:31.650 --> 00:30:33.230 always find it interesting, the conversation 00:30:33.230 --> 00:30:37.740 that Luthan and Saw have. It's very of the Americans, 00:30:37.920 --> 00:30:40.279 which makes sense that there's a creative connection 00:30:40.279 --> 00:30:41.740 between the two shows. I feel like that's another 00:30:41.740 --> 00:30:43.099 show that would similarly be like, oh, we're

00:30:43.099 --> 00:30:44.339 going to just kill this character for this other 00:30:44.339 --> 00:30:48.660 leverage and not be moralistic over it. yeah 00:30:48.660 --> 00:30:51.220 yeah i haven't seen the americans but like in 00:30:51.220 --> 00:30:54.119 any other example i know i'm gonna watch it eventually 00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:58.059 i'll watch it eventually it's on the list but 00:30:58.059 --> 00:31:03.230 10 years ago my point is that in any other show 00:31:03.230 --> 00:31:07.109 like if someone were to betray their compatriots 00:31:07.109 --> 00:31:10.230 in the way that luthan and saw do in that scene 00:31:10.230 --> 00:31:14.529 it would be seen as an irrevocable mortal sin 00:31:14.529 --> 00:31:17.529 that would then like doom their character to 00:31:17.529 --> 00:31:21.549 evil right and this is just one in a litany of 00:31:21.549 --> 00:31:24.890 difficult decisions that they have to make you 00:31:24.890 --> 00:31:30.039 know that is like such and it goes back to the 00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:33.059 question like why i love rogue one and like so 00:31:33.059 --> 00:31:38.140 and or so much star wars is littered with if 00:31:38.140 --> 00:31:41.180 you kill me become just as bad as me bullshit 00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:45.819 And Andor never once entertains that. It's just 00:31:45.819 --> 00:31:50.380 never, never entertains that notion at all. It 00:31:50.380 --> 00:31:53.980 just never, it's not a thing. Listen, if you 00:31:53.980 --> 00:31:57.500 want to defeat fascism, it's going to be ugly. 00:31:57.640 --> 00:32:01.480 Like, that's the conversation, you know, and 00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:02.880 it's like, and you're going to live with it and 00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:04.319 you're going to, you're going to have, you're 00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:05.680 going to deal with it, you know, and you're going 00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:07.640 to feel bad. You're going to, you know, and it's 00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:10.910 going to suck. And if anything, the moralizing 00:32:10.910 --> 00:32:14.190 is on like the rebel alliance leaders that we 00:32:14.190 --> 00:32:16.690 see at the end of the show and in Rogue One who 00:32:16.690 --> 00:32:20.529 cannot get along with this idea of rebellion 00:32:20.529 --> 00:32:23.970 and who whiffle and waffle on their commitment 00:32:23.970 --> 00:32:27.069 to it. They're still stuck in that same idea 00:32:27.069 --> 00:32:29.369 of, you know, we can just, you know, just one 00:32:29.369 --> 00:32:31.289 more election, guys, and we'll be we'll be fine 00:32:31.289 --> 00:32:35.210 kind of thing. Yeah, it's it's not. And it all 00:32:35.210 --> 00:32:42.119 collapses immediately. Yeah, immediately. Yeah. 00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:44.980 No, the entire franchise has become a very critical 00:32:44.980 --> 00:32:47.119 indictment of liberalism completely by accident. 00:32:47.420 --> 00:32:52.309 Yes, very much so. I want to give you guys some 00:32:52.309 --> 00:32:56.150 talk, but Racine, shall we? Yeah,

because in 00:32:56.150 --> 00:33:00.430 this scene, we go inside the Fondor as there 00:33:00.430 --> 00:33:04.890 are sirens blaring and Luthen is informed he's 00:33:04.890 --> 00:33:08.730 being stopped by a Segramilo Imperial Patrol. 00:33:10.910 --> 00:33:14.970 He asks his AI to give him an active Alderaan 00:33:14.970 --> 00:33:18.470 transponder ID, and Luthen plays the part of 00:33:18.470 --> 00:33:22.250 a kindly old pilot from Alderaan as he's questioned 00:33:22.250 --> 00:33:26.710 by Captain Elk, who is played by actor Roger 00:33:26.710 --> 00:33:31.230 Barkley, who I saw is maybe most notable for 00:33:31.230 --> 00:33:35.109 his role in Industry. He plays Kit Harington's 00:33:35.109 --> 00:33:37.440 godfather, and I saw a lot of... conversation 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:40.000 about his character in that show, which I also 00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:43.299 have not watched. So, Rustin, maybe you can answer 00:33:43.299 --> 00:33:44.779 this from a Star Wars perspective, but like, 00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:48.619 Segramillo is like a deserted planet except for 00:33:48.619 --> 00:33:52.279 Saw, correct? Yes, this is where the planet that 00:33:52.279 --> 00:33:56.019 Saw's base is on, and yeah. How bad is this Imperial 00:33:56.019 --> 00:33:58.720 Patrol if they're patrolling Segramillo and not 00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:01.019 finding any people on the planet? These guys 00:34:01.019 --> 00:34:05.579 are our cast -offs. Yeah. uh i mean this is you 00:34:05.579 --> 00:34:09.280 know the empire right like this is the empire 00:34:09.280 --> 00:34:13.539 is not very good at finding these uh these rebels 00:34:13.539 --> 00:34:17.480 and they are way up high and saw is way down 00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:19.840 low and they don't they're not gonna go down 00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:22.360 on the planet and look for him they're just gonna 00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:26.420 fly around and try to pick up uh anybody they 00:34:26.420 --> 00:34:31.840 see flying around it's actually from a sci -fi 00:34:31.840 --> 00:34:36.550 perspective the The way the technology works 00:34:36.550 --> 00:34:40.929 in Star Wars is fascinating. And it is also like 00:34:40.929 --> 00:34:45.530 there are, and it does make sense from a certain 00:34:45.530 --> 00:34:48.309 perspective that there are like gaps in like 00:34:48.309 --> 00:34:51.929 their technology. It's like they went down certain 00:34:51.929 --> 00:34:55.150 paths and like paper barely exists. Yeah. It's 00:34:55.150 --> 00:34:58.010 like they went down certain paths and it's like 00:34:58.010 --> 00:35:00.869 at a certain point. And it really, I think a 00:35:00.869 --> 00:35:02.650 lot of it actually has to do with basically. 00:35:03.389 --> 00:35:07.909 I think Star Wars technology can be discussed 00:35:07.909 --> 00:35:12.019 from the perspective of, and because we know 00:35:12.019 --> 00:35:15.320 that the Star Wars galaxy and their civilization 00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:19.130 is ancient. It's really old.

And really, it's 00:35:19.130 --> 00:35:22.489 just like, it reminds me of the way the 40K universe 00:35:22.489 --> 00:35:25.730 is, where it's basically like, they've lost knowledge 00:35:25.730 --> 00:35:29.809 of stuff. And it's never addressed canonically, 00:35:29.869 --> 00:35:33.590 as far as I know. But, like, it's very clear 00:35:33.590 --> 00:35:35.909 if you really engage with it from a certain perspective 00:35:35.909 --> 00:35:38.849 that, like, they don't know a lot of things. 00:35:39.070 --> 00:35:41.909 They don't know how a lot of the stuff they use 00:35:41.909 --> 00:35:44.809 works. And they certainly do not know how to 00:35:44.809 --> 00:35:48.429 innovate or, like, improve upon things outside 00:35:48.429 --> 00:35:53.489 of very specific things, like weapons, you know? 00:35:53.510 --> 00:35:55.550 But, like, in terms of, like, audiovisual technology, 00:35:55.829 --> 00:35:59.849 nobody's looking into that, you know? Like... 00:36:00.059 --> 00:36:03.340 It's very, and it reflects very interestingly 00:36:03.340 --> 00:36:07.880 upon our own society as we continue down this, 00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:12.300 you know, precipitous slope of LLMs and all this. 00:36:12.340 --> 00:36:15.699 And we see a, you know, continued talk of the 00:36:15.699 --> 00:36:19.599 next generation, you know, after, well, you know, 00:36:19.599 --> 00:36:21.780 me and Evan are millennials or older millennials. 00:36:22.099 --> 00:36:23.579 How, like, the next generation is like, this 00:36:23.579 --> 00:36:25.579 is the first time they're like, they're, the 00:36:25.579 --> 00:36:28.340 next generation is coming up. they're not they're 00:36:28.340 --> 00:36:31.139 dumber like they don't have the same like you 00:36:31.139 --> 00:36:33.360 know they can't process things the same way they 00:36:33.360 --> 00:36:35.199 don't have the same kind of like grasp on things 00:36:35.199 --> 00:36:38.099 and it's like okay yeah that's if you look at 00:36:38.099 --> 00:36:40.539 star wars like yeah yeah no they they went too 00:36:40.539 --> 00:36:43.099 far one way and they stopped doing certain things 00:36:43.099 --> 00:36:46.199 they don't know how to do things i mean last 00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:49.340 segment was cyril like stealing money out of 00:36:49.340 --> 00:36:51.860 his mother's wallet and it's like gold bars like 00:36:51.860 --> 00:36:54.980 they don't have like fiat currency yeah like 00:36:54.980 --> 00:36:56.000 they've they've done all these things they've 00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:57.420 not come up with the idea of like a central bank 00:36:57.420 --> 00:36:58.980 it's everything has to be worth the thing that 00:36:58.980 --> 00:37:02.219 it is yeah it's it's fascinating i mean i think 00:37:02.219 --> 00:37:05.800 part of it is just like you know george lucas 00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:08.880 didn't think of it but in the end i i think you 00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:12.019 know you you're forced to actually come to terms 00:37:12.019 --> 00:37:15.539 with the fact like oh no this society does not 00:37:15.539 --> 00:37:18.849 know a lot of things but then it's a perfectly 00:37:18.849 --> 00:37:22.070 intelligent ai on the fond worship for all we 00:37:22.070 --> 00:37:25.059 know the ais are making themselves Well, because 00:37:25.059 --> 00:37:27.500 what's interesting about this scene is that it 00:37:27.500 --> 00:37:31.579 feels like George Lucas's Star Wars like intruding 00:37:31.579 --> 00:37:35.739 into the show. Because the way that they have 00:37:35.739 --> 00:37:38.820 created this Imperial officer and the set that 00:37:38.820 --> 00:37:41.880 he's on, the way he talks feels like it's coming 00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:45.500 straight out of A New Hope. And one little bit 00:37:45.500 --> 00:37:50.260 of behind the scenes information I found is that 00:37:50.260 --> 00:37:55.610 this ship that they are on. It's called a Cantwell 00:37:55.610 --> 00:37:59.309 class because it is named after Colin James Cantwell, 00:37:59.369 --> 00:38:02.650 who was the original spacecraft designer who 00:38:02.650 --> 00:38:06.489 made the ships in Star Wars. And this was his 00:38:06.489 --> 00:38:10.110 original sketch for what a Star Destroyer would 00:38:10.110 --> 00:38:12.630 look like in Star Wars. I mean, it's intentionally 00:38:12.630 --> 00:38:14.489 invoking the scene of just a little tiny ship 00:38:14.489 --> 00:38:18.610 and the giant ship behind it. Exactly. Exactly. 00:38:19.010 --> 00:38:22.059 It's like in Spaceballs. Just like in Spaceballs, 00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:27.039 Alex's favorite movie. There are two Spaceballs 00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:29.139 references to this segment, but we'll talk about 00:38:29.139 --> 00:38:32.840 the other one later. Okay. I think that regardless, 00:38:33.480 --> 00:38:38.820 it still works very well as an indictment of 00:38:38.820 --> 00:38:42.900 the way imperialist nations function. The United 00:38:42.900 --> 00:38:46.900 States has giant aircraft carriers and drones 00:38:46.900 --> 00:38:51.519 and shit, but they... How long did it take the 00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:55.460 U .S. to find one guy? You know, like, it's the 00:38:55.460 --> 00:39:00.940 same thing. You know, it's, you know, what is 00:39:00.940 --> 00:39:06.179 it? Asynchronous. You know the word. Asymmetric 00:39:06.179 --> 00:39:07.800 warfare. Thank you. That's the word. There we 00:39:07.800 --> 00:39:10.139 go. Asymmetric warfare. It's, you know, asymmetric 00:39:10.139 --> 00:39:12.360 warfare. And, like, this is the way it always 00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:15.679 works. I'm just imagining, like, Partagas having, 00:39:15.800 --> 00:39:17.539 like, a document on his table that's like, uh, 00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:20.119 Saw Gerrera determined to strike in Coruscant, 00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:21.159 and he'd just be like, I don't, I don't need 00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:27.010 this, and just move to the side. Uh, yeah, Elk 00:39:27.010 --> 00:39:29.929 informs Luthen there's

been partisan activity 00:39:29.929 --> 00:39:33.130 in the area, and Luthen thanks him for the warning, 00:39:33.329 --> 00:39:37.190 saying, I'll be careful, but, but Captain Elk 00:39:37.190 --> 00:39:40.050 isn't gonna let him off easy, and instead locks 00:39:40.050 --> 00:39:44.000 - the Fondor in a tractor beam as they wait for 00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:47.360 the ID to be verified. And with that, the Fondor 00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:52.139 lurches as it's grabbed by the ship. And here, 00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:55.780 Luthen is able to... weaponize the old school 00:39:55.780 --> 00:39:58.559 technology of star wars by basically saying oh 00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:02.760 i'm just one guy in here and he triggers a malfunction 00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:06.920 in one of his uh thrusters in order to make it 00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:10.059 look like the ship is just struggling under the 00:40:10.059 --> 00:40:13.079 tractor beam when in reality he is preparing 00:40:13.079 --> 00:40:17.170 the ship's counter measures and Elk starts to 00:40:17.170 --> 00:40:19.929 sniff out that something's wrong. And he prepares 00:40:19.929 --> 00:40:23.170 a boarding party as he warns Luthen that he must 00:40:23.170 --> 00:40:26.309 power down his stabilizers. And Luthen just keeps 00:40:26.309 --> 00:40:30.550 playing dumb throughout this until his fake ID 00:40:30.550 --> 00:40:34.030 checks out. And Elk's second in command asks 00:40:34.030 --> 00:40:36.929 if they should cancel the boarding. And Elk says, 00:40:37.110 --> 00:40:41.590 no, we could use the practice. And that's a great 00:40:41.590 --> 00:40:46.360 intersection, I think, of this old school, Star 00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:50.059 Wars design, right? Like how many scenes in Star 00:40:50.059 --> 00:40:53.000 Wars are a ship stuck in a tractor beam, and 00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:54.619 they got to get out like that's the original 00:40:54.619 --> 00:40:59.289 trilogy, right? But then here, we get to see 00:40:59.289 --> 00:41:02.389 that these guys aren't even doing it for any 00:41:02.389 --> 00:41:05.289 good reason. They know at least as far as they 00:41:05.289 --> 00:41:08.610 know, this is nobody. This is just some guy who 00:41:08.610 --> 00:41:10.329 was literally flying through but they're like, 00:41:10.349 --> 00:41:12.590 well, let's go ahead and like, you know, board 00:41:12.590 --> 00:41:15.329 and torture them and you know, ransack their 00:41:15.329 --> 00:41:18.309 ship. uh just for the practice of it for when 00:41:18.309 --> 00:41:20.730 what is the whole craft like compared to a car 00:41:20.730 --> 00:41:23.429 is it like a i think it's like a mini van like 00:41:23.429 --> 00:41:28.530 yeah yeah it's not impressive this is like he's 00:41:28.530 --> 00:41:31.449 like an old he's like in an old like beat -up 00:41:31.449 --> 00:41:33.969 pickup truck and they keep saying that they keep 00:41:33.969 --> 00:41:36.349 like they keep referring like oh the hulk like 00:41:36.349 --> 00:41:39.980 they keep this this thing like this hunk of junk 00:41:39.980 --> 00:41:42.239 can do it and it that kind of also harkens back 00:41:42.239 --> 00:41:44.280 to just like the millennium falcon as like this 00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:47.360 dinky little ship that somehow is like the fastest 00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:50.500 in the galaxy exactly the millennium falcon is 00:41:50.500 --> 00:41:54.969 like four times the size of his of his ship the 00:41:54.969 --> 00:41:58.110 money falcon makes his ship look like a fucking 00:41:58.110 --> 00:42:05.519 like geo You know those Japanese pickup trucks, 00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:09.179 like the really tiny ones? Yeah, I think that's 00:42:09.179 --> 00:42:13.860 like a Hallcraft. It's Marco Winnebago. No, I 00:42:13.860 --> 00:42:17.659 think a K -truck with a little like just cot 00:42:17.659 --> 00:42:21.300 in the back is actually the perfect, perfect 00:42:21.300 --> 00:42:24.840 like summation of it. Because K -trucks do actually 00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:27.260 come with like, they're like little like, they 00:42:27.260 --> 00:42:29.940 have like van models and they have little like 00:42:29.940 --> 00:42:33.679 areas. That's what it is. It's just, it's not 00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:36.519 that big. So imagine he took one of those and 00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:39.699 then he loaded it with grenade launchers and 00:42:39.699 --> 00:42:42.420 a Gatling gun. And that's essentially what the 00:42:42.420 --> 00:42:44.400 Fondor is. I didn't think of them as grenades. 00:42:44.539 --> 00:42:46.380 I took them as like, he had a giant bag of like 00:42:46.380 --> 00:42:48.019 little spikes that he throws behind the car. 00:42:48.139 --> 00:42:50.559 It's just nails. He's got another butt. We'll 00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:52.940 get to it. It's just nails. He threw nails out 00:42:52.940 --> 00:42:55.619 the back. That's what he did. Which is, I mean, 00:42:55.659 --> 00:42:57.880 in all reaction, I'd be like anti -aircraft. 00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:01.909 Like it's. I love this scene so much because 00:43:01.909 --> 00:43:06.309 it is so practical. It is one of the most, Star 00:43:06.309 --> 00:43:11.349 Wars is filled with bad sci -fi and bad space 00:43:11.349 --> 00:43:14.889 battles. And this is one of the few examples 00:43:14.889 --> 00:43:20.650 of phenomenal use of real world physics and like 00:43:20.650 --> 00:43:24.929 actual like thinking out the way something like 00:43:24.929 --> 00:43:28.610 this would work in real life. Because it is like, 00:43:29.829 --> 00:43:32.829 anti -aircraft armaments, like, in real life, 00:43:32.989 --> 00:43:36.389 it's mostly chaff. It's not active, like, explosives. 00:43:36.610 --> 00:43:38.849 It's just meant to get an engine to fuck them 00:43:38.849 --> 00:43:40.789 up. And that's all he does. He's just, like, 00:43:40.809 --> 00:43:43.010 throwing spoons out the back. It's just forks. 00:43:43.230 --> 00:43:45.550 He's just throwing forks out the back, and then 00:43:45.550 -->

00:43:48.510 just shredding stuff using pure, just ballistic 00:43:48.510 --> 00:43:52.260 physics. It's brilliant. And there's a really 00:43:52.260 --> 00:43:56.219 lovely little touch that shows the physics of 00:43:56.219 --> 00:43:59.429 the scene, which is when... luthen gets stuck 00:43:59.429 --> 00:44:02.150 in the tractor beam he like lurches and we see 00:44:02.150 --> 00:44:04.889 that like in the set but then at this moment 00:44:04.889 --> 00:44:07.809 when luthen realizes they're not gonna let me 00:44:07.809 --> 00:44:12.829 go he he floors it on his hallcraft and it lurches 00:44:12.829 --> 00:44:17.289 the the tractor beam forward to like they feel 00:44:17.289 --> 00:44:20.769 the jolt as he tries to run away and the guys 00:44:20.769 --> 00:44:22.789 in there are all confused they're like where 00:44:22.789 --> 00:44:25.210 the fuck does this little pirate hallcraft think 00:44:25.210 --> 00:44:30.250 he's gonna go and then luckily for you know luthan 00:44:30.250 --> 00:44:33.230 as he's getting this final warning that he must 00:44:33.230 --> 00:44:36.989 power down immediately or risk full consequences 00:44:36.989 --> 00:44:41.170 you know this delay allows his countermeasures 00:44:41.170 --> 00:44:44.380 to become fully armed And as you alluded to, 00:44:44.460 --> 00:44:47.500 he flicks a button and two compartments open 00:44:47.500 --> 00:44:50.539 up out of the back of the ship and toss thousands 00:44:50.539 --> 00:44:55.019 of forks at the tractor beam and just shred it 00:44:55.019 --> 00:44:58.880 into a million pieces. And he doesn't panic or 00:44:58.880 --> 00:45:01.780 even like break a sweat the entire time. And 00:45:01.780 --> 00:45:05.059 this made me think, has this happened before? 00:45:05.500 --> 00:45:08.380 You know, has he had to? It feels like it would 00:45:08.380 --> 00:45:12.199 have. I don't know. I mean. I mean, he's prepared 00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:15.360 for it, clearly. This is something he did during 00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:16.719 the military, where he had to fuck with something. 00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:22.119 He was on the other side. Yeah, Luthan is calm, 00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:24.980 cool, collected, under pressure. The man does 00:45:24.980 --> 00:45:29.940 not break. He knows exactly what he's doing, 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.920 too, because he and the droid in the Fondor... 00:45:33.230 --> 00:45:37.409 are calculating the tractor beam's pull on them 00:45:37.409 --> 00:45:41.389 so that way they know exactly how fast to launch 00:45:41.389 --> 00:45:43.969 all of these projectiles so that they can't do 00:45:43.969 --> 00:45:48.130 anything about it. And the look on the Imperials' 00:45:48.210 --> 00:45:51.809 faces as that compartment opens up and just starts 00:45:51.809 --> 00:45:54.590 shooting it, they're dumbfounded. They can't 00:45:54.590 --> 00:45:57.610 fucking believe what's going on here. All they 00:45:57.610 --> 00:46:00.980 can do is just stand there, slack -jawed. as

00:46:00.980 --> 00:46:04.920 as this thing destroys their precious trillion 00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:08.150 dollar equipment yeah i guess we're talking like 00:46:08.150 --> 00:46:10.269 so much of this is like built off of george lucas's 00:46:10.269 --> 00:46:14.190 love of cars but like tractor beams and going 00:46:14.190 --> 00:46:16.690 into like light speed are things that don't really 00:46:16.690 --> 00:46:20.150 have real world equivalencies like there's things 00:46:20.150 --> 00:46:21.730 you can go fast or you can like try and like 00:46:21.730 --> 00:46:23.969 get somebody but those are two things that there 00:46:23.969 --> 00:46:26.389 are no real real world analog analogies to so 00:46:26.389 --> 00:46:29.090 seeing it still be treated very seriously is 00:46:29.090 --> 00:46:32.530 is really cool yeah tractor it's like at least 00:46:32.530 --> 00:46:35.190 we know the like the physics of light like we 00:46:35.190 --> 00:46:38.070 we understand the physics of like light speed 00:46:38.070 --> 00:46:40.469 you know and all that's tractor beams are just 00:46:40.469 --> 00:46:44.389 magic like there is an there is an analogy which 00:46:44.389 --> 00:46:47.150 is like a harpoon right like think about you 00:46:47.150 --> 00:46:50.269 know in ancient naval warfare you'd launch a 00:46:50.269 --> 00:46:53.190 harpoon and like tie yourself to your opponent 00:46:53.190 --> 00:46:55.730 so they can't you know run away so i think maybe 00:46:55.730 --> 00:46:58.469 that's the Or Wile E. Coyote with a giant magnet. 00:46:59.070 --> 00:47:01.289 Exactly, Wile E. Coyote. That's the closest we 00:47:01.289 --> 00:47:03.389 got. Yeah, that's the closest we got. Giant magnet. 00:47:03.409 --> 00:47:05.250 Except his doesn't usually work, though. That's 00:47:05.250 --> 00:47:07.710 the problem. It doesn't work here either. Well, 00:47:07.769 --> 00:47:11.409 yeah, the Empire is Wile E. They bought their 00:47:11.409 --> 00:47:15.730 stuff from Acme. No, no, no. The tractor beam 00:47:15.730 --> 00:47:20.750 worked perfectly. The tractor beam is unwittingly 00:47:20.750 --> 00:47:23.190 committing malicious compliance. The tractor 00:47:23.190 --> 00:47:27.789 beam worked. perfectly yes the acme magnet grabbed 00:47:27.789 --> 00:47:31.309 every fork and silverware out of the winnebago 00:47:31.309 --> 00:47:35.809 before it pulled the winnebago it just so happens 00:47:35.809 --> 00:47:37.989 that you know that's the way these things work 00:47:37.989 --> 00:47:40.449 you know that's all you think he's some of his 00:47:40.449 --> 00:47:42.690 like like necklaces and bangles from his little 00:47:42.690 --> 00:47:46.070 changing area got stuck off in those his ring 00:47:46.070 --> 00:47:51.159 set that he has absolutely At this point now, 00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:54.460 you know, the scene opened with the sirens in 00:47:54.460 --> 00:47:58.019 Luthan's ship. But now the sirens are blaring 00:47:58.019 --> 00:48:00.940 inside the cruiser as it is clear the tables 00:48:00.940 --> 00:48:04.199 have turned. And I love this moment where an 00:48:04.199 --> 00:48:07.880 officer informs the captain that the tractor 00:48:07.880 --> 00:48:10.780 beam is failing. And he's like, yeah, I can fucking 00:48:10.780 --> 00:48:16.710 see that, dude. I don't need your help. And he 00:48:16.710 --> 00:48:20.119 calls out for his air wing. And at this point, 00:48:20.159 --> 00:48:24.840 we hear the familiar sound of TIE fighters roaring 00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:29.679 through space. And we get the only space battle 00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:32.800 like in all of Star Wars, all of Andor. Like 00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:35.900 we had the Aldani escape, but that barely counted. 00:48:35.940 --> 00:48:38.559 That was more of a chase, I feel like. I feel 00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:40.920 like Stellan demanded this as a precaution to 00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:43.860 signing out to Star Wars. like he's like i want 00:48:43.860 --> 00:48:45.679 a space battle scene and they're like we don't 00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:47.539 have the budget like i will not i will not sign 00:48:47.539 --> 00:48:50.900 on if i don't do the space scene like it feels 00:48:50.900 --> 00:48:52.539 so wedged in of like of all the characters to 00:48:52.539 --> 00:48:54.920 be in the big space scene it's luther yeah feels 00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:57.840 like i think it yeah i mean he's he's the coolest 00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:00.579 guy in the galaxy what do you want like of course 00:49:00.579 --> 00:49:03.480 he's got this kitted out thing like he's not 00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:06.500 gonna go anywhere unless he's able to defend 00:49:06.500 --> 00:49:10.650 himself right yeah yeah i mean You don't get 00:49:10.650 --> 00:49:12.889 the sense that Clea, who was, like, briefly, 00:49:12.949 --> 00:49:16.829 you know, radioing them right beforehand. I mean, 00:49:16.849 --> 00:49:20.329 she's, like, the connection is cut. But I don't 00:49:20.329 --> 00:49:22.190 think she ever, like, worries that something 00:49:22.190 --> 00:49:24.349 will happen to him. If anything, you're more 00:49:24.349 --> 00:49:26.190 likely to get killed by Saw Gerrera than you 00:49:26.190 --> 00:49:28.110 would by any of the, you know, the Imperial, 00:49:28.449 --> 00:49:32.630 you know. Yeah, she's more worried about him 00:49:32.630 --> 00:49:35.409 going to Ferex. Like, that's something that she's 00:49:35.409 --> 00:49:38.489 afraid of right now. And because, yeah, you know, 00:49:38.510 --> 00:49:42.030 the Fondor, it turns out, is kitted with a hidden 00:49:42.030 --> 00:49:45.750 turret that just completely obliterates a pair 00:49:45.750 --> 00:49:50.010 of TIE fighters. And then as if that wasn't enough. 00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:54.920 He turns on a pair of laser rays on the side 00:49:54.920 --> 00:49:58.440 of the ship and just does a barrel roll and slices 00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:02.440 them like fucking Swiss cheese before immediately 00:50:02.440 --> 00:50:05.960

blasting off into hyperspace and leaving the 00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:10.340 Captain Elk in stunned silence as he looks out 00:50:10.340 --> 00:50:13.480 at the shattered remains of his tractor dish 00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:17.679 and TIE fighter squadron. And all he can do is 00:50:17.679 --> 00:50:21.079 shake his head in disappointment. knowing that 00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:24.000 he's about to get choked the fuck out by darth 00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:27.519 vader yeah like that's like could you imagine 00:50:27.519 --> 00:50:31.340 writing up that report like that that's that 00:50:31.340 --> 00:50:35.500 is the equivalent of like you know a 50 like 00:50:35.500 --> 00:50:38.739 a 15 year old boy getting beat up by a six year 00:50:38.739 --> 00:50:42.500 old girl and just like uh no there was there 00:50:42.500 --> 00:50:45.980 was 10 of them it's like a 75 year old man beat 00:50:45.980 --> 00:50:48.980 me up there was there was 10 of them i swear 00:50:48.980 --> 00:50:54.420 to god that he's gonna stay out in the deep rim 00:50:54.420 --> 00:50:57.639 now because if he goes any closer he's gonna 00:50:57.639 --> 00:51:00.500 lose he's changing his name he's he's running 00:51:00.500 --> 00:51:04.460 away they're like just you know what we're fucking 00:51:04.460 --> 00:51:07.860 we're gone let's go i couldn't help but also 00:51:07.860 --> 00:51:09.840 think of the i mean i don't know if this was 00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:12.599 i don't think this is intentional but it really 00:51:12.599 --> 00:51:16.019 looks like the darth maul double lightsaber 2 00:51:16.019 --> 00:51:18.340 that they have was in the very first when i say 00:51:18.340 --> 00:51:21.019 the first movie i mean the literal first release 00:51:21.019 --> 00:51:25.099 first episode one he's got the double red lightsaber 00:51:25.099 --> 00:51:28.260 and it looks like that but he's not a jedi yeah 00:51:28.260 --> 00:51:31.679 this this laser ray of his was like another piece 00:51:31.679 --> 00:51:35.360 of evidence for luthan the jedi right like it 00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:39.300 fucking looks like his ship has lightsaber that 00:51:39.300 --> 00:51:41.460 this is the closest we get to ever seeing one 00:51:41.460 --> 00:51:45.280 on the show it seems like yeah it's it's cool 00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:49.519 i mean he just has you're talking about the tech 00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:52.869 of the time bill And I think I was also thinking 00:51:52.869 --> 00:51:55.309 about this. My assumption is that because they're 00:51:55.309 --> 00:51:58.429 doing all these runs across the galaxy, stealing 00:51:58.429 --> 00:52:01.250 Imperial tech to be able to use for themselves. 00:52:01.610 --> 00:52:05.230 I have to assume all of this is stolen Imperial 00:52:05.230 --> 00:52:07.610 tech that he's now just outfitted just to be 00:52:07.610 --> 00:52:12.309 amazing. Exactly. But it does remind me a lot 00:52:12.309 --> 00:52:14.289 of like the holdover mover of just like, yeah, 00:52:14.289 --> 00:52:16.150 just fucking do this dumb thing. It'll destroy 00:52:16.150 --> 00:52:18.690 the entire fucking thing. And it feels like, 00:52:18.690 --> 00:52:22.300 you know, again, it feels like. original trilogy 00:52:22.300 --> 00:52:25.320 verse sequel trilogy a little bit that like his 00:52:25.320 --> 00:52:28.579 ship is way more like futuristic and advanced 00:52:28.579 --> 00:52:32.260 that then they are expecting right they're used 00:52:32.260 --> 00:52:35.659 to going up against x -wings or whatever and 00:52:35.659 --> 00:52:39.139 here they're getting hit by this asymmetric guerrilla 00:52:39.139 --> 00:52:43.460 warfare that they're not prepared for yeah yeah 00:52:43.460 --> 00:52:46.780 they are anticipating big battles but they can't 00:52:46.780 --> 00:52:49.239 anticipate small little issues which is what 00:52:49.480 --> 00:52:53.159 ultimately leads to destruction yeah and one 00:52:53.159 --> 00:52:57.000 thing i love about this show is just how we can 00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:01.360 get like a fucking kick -ass like hoorah moment 00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:05.300 here like one of the very few unambiguously just 00:53:05.300 --> 00:53:10.320 badass moments in the show but then it goes out 00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:15.260 of its way to sit with this guy for so much longer 00:53:15.260 --> 00:53:19.079 than i remember of his just disappointment at 00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:23.320 being destroyed. And just the consequences that 00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:26.360 he knows are going to befall him. And it goes 00:53:26.360 --> 00:53:29.320 so long and then all he can do is just shake 00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:34.480 his head. What can you possibly say in that moment? 00:53:34.559 --> 00:53:37.739 In a show that has no shortage of incredible 00:53:37.739 --> 00:53:41.139 writing, just to know that there's nothing funnier 00:53:41.139 --> 00:53:43.719 than just having him shake his head is a remarkable 00:53:43.719 --> 00:53:45.380 show of restraint. The most British face you 00:53:45.380 --> 00:53:49.650 could find. Yes. I mean, this guy, if he was 00:53:49.650 --> 00:53:52.090 in the original trilogy, you would buy it, right? 00:53:52.190 --> 00:53:56.110 100%. He looks and sounds exactly the part of 00:53:56.110 --> 00:53:59.230 a guy in the Imperial boardroom. And so that's 00:53:59.230 --> 00:54:02.369 why it's so fun to see. But also stuck on Tegra 00:54:02.369 --> 00:54:05.210 Millo without doing anything. Mm -hmm. Yeah, 00:54:05.730 --> 00:54:07.949 he's got the shit assignment for sure. I think 00:54:07.949 --> 00:54:11.590 he's also part of the reason why Andor and Rogue 00:54:11.590 --> 00:54:16.389 One works so well. And Evan and I and... and 00:54:16.389 --> 00:54:19.010 ward we've been talking about this a lot lately 00:54:19.010 --> 00:54:25.710 about the what modern movies have lost from old 00:54:25.710 --> 00:54:29.230 movies and and some of it is that like everything 00:54:29.389 --> 00:54:32.070 is just boom boom boom speed speed

speed and 00:54:32.070 --> 00:54:35.429 none there's no emotional resonance anymore people 00:54:35.429 --> 00:54:38.869 there's no you don't sit with things and rogue 00:54:38.869 --> 00:54:43.210 one and andor despite being you know new films 00:54:43.210 --> 00:54:46.829 you know or newer pieces of you know media you 00:54:46.829 --> 00:54:52.329 know they have that that classic feel like you 00:54:52.329 --> 00:54:56.250 know you sit with this resonate with this we 00:54:56.250 --> 00:54:57.889 don't we're not going to rush past this you're 00:54:57.889 --> 00:55:00.750 going to sit with this no you don't want your 00:55:00.750 --> 00:55:02.190 audience to think about things you want them 00:55:02.190 --> 00:55:04.909 to just keep keep watching i i think that's part 00:55:04.909 --> 00:55:07.329 of also what makes rogue one and andor so good 00:55:07.329 --> 00:55:10.889 and and for all their flaws for all the flaws 00:55:10.889 --> 00:55:16.550 of the original trilogy and there are flaws you 00:55:16.550 --> 00:55:18.369 know there is there is that you know like it 00:55:18.369 --> 00:55:22.349 does offer resonance it does offer you the opportunity 00:55:22.349 --> 00:55:26.030 to sit with things it also it reminded me of 00:55:26.030 --> 00:55:32.070 the scene in episode four when han is uh is in 00:55:32.070 --> 00:55:35.159 like the suit and like he's trying to do the 00:55:35.159 --> 00:55:37.260 radio and be like don't come here we have a week 00:55:37.260 --> 00:55:39.360 like it's always been really dumb and stupid 00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:43.619 people because that's the way real people react 00:55:43.619 --> 00:55:48.340 to things It also reminds me of the opening of 00:55:48.340 --> 00:55:51.800 The Last Jedi, where Poe is doing his choppy 00:55:51.800 --> 00:55:55.219 phone call, right? Luthen's doing the same thing 00:55:55.219 --> 00:55:57.599 here. Admiral Huggs. Admiral Huggs, exactly. 00:55:58.699 --> 00:56:01.039 And Luthen's doing the same thing here, where 00:56:01.039 --> 00:56:03.960 he's like, oh, yeah, sorry, I'm on one side of 00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:06.460 the ship, and I gotta go and run all the way 00:56:06.460 --> 00:56:09.059 to the other side of the ship now. Yeah, I mean, 00:56:09.079 --> 00:56:11.079 how much of just like... Fighting against ice 00:56:11.079 --> 00:56:13.280 was just like doing really small, annoying things 00:56:13.280 --> 00:56:14.760 to them and then them just sort of giving up. 00:56:14.820 --> 00:56:17.239 Yeah. Like they don't get paid enough to do this 00:56:17.239 --> 00:56:19.179 kind of shit. They're not true believers. They're 00:56:19.179 --> 00:56:21.260 also not smart. Luthan's got the super strong 00:56:21.260 --> 00:56:24.400 laser pointer to point at the flock cameras as 00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:29.380 he drives by them. That's what these are. That's 00:56:29.380 --> 00:56:30.860 what the laser blades are. Yeah, those will cut 00:56:30.860 --> 00:56:35.840 those down. Yeah. Have you guys seen those new 00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:37.619 clothing that those guys have designed that like 00:56:37.619 --> 00:56:41.429 can't be scanned on flock cameras? Yeah. We need 00:56:41.429 --> 00:56:44.639 to have Star Wars outfits like that. This guy's 00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:46.900 figured out the code to make clothing that the 00:56:46.900 --> 00:56:48.880 flock cameras just can't identify you as a human 00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:51.480 being. We need the Star Wars version of that. 00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:56.400 Flock camouflage. Oh, it's just a bunch of license 00:56:56.400 --> 00:57:00.639 plates on it? No, it's kind of like a weird 3D 00:57:00.639 --> 00:57:05.320 image to it. That's great. I mean, that's the 00:57:05.320 --> 00:57:08.800 future, baby. That's where all kinds of sci -fi 00:57:08.800 --> 00:57:11.639 outfits are going to come from. yeah i'm seeing 00:57:11.639 --> 00:57:14.179 a lot of different types of adversarial clothing 00:57:14.179 --> 00:57:17.000 is what they're calling it yeah some of them 00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:18.940 kind of one of them i think almost looks like 00:57:18.940 --> 00:57:22.400 qr codes but it's like blocked in a weird way 00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:25.800 that distorts the camera i mean one of them is 00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:28.760 funny i looked up there's a nerdy tech nerd techie 00:57:28.760 --> 00:57:30.820 article and one of them looks like a cape that 00:57:30.820 --> 00:57:32.579 is kind of like what luthan wears it's like yeah 00:57:32.579 --> 00:57:35.900 that's see We should bring back, I mean, personally, 00:57:35.940 --> 00:57:37.619 I think we should bring back capes and cloaks, 00:57:37.659 --> 00:57:40.579 personally. I'm all for it. I think we should 00:57:40.579 --> 00:57:43.880 bring it back. We live in Los Angeles, and so 00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:47.320 my opportunity to wear capes and cloaks is rather 00:57:47.320 --> 00:57:49.639 limited given how fucking hot it is right now. 00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:52.659 Excuse me, excuse me. You can wear a light one. 00:57:53.570 --> 00:57:56.929 You can wear a lightweight cape. A linen cape. 00:57:57.090 --> 00:58:00.530 Some phantom there. It would keep the sun off 00:58:00.530 --> 00:58:02.900 you and protect you. And if you put fancy, you 00:58:02.900 --> 00:58:05.639 always get like a cool draping effect. It's always 00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:07.599 kind of billowing in the wind. The indigenous 00:58:07.599 --> 00:58:11.139 people across the globe have worn layers of clothing 00:58:11.139 --> 00:58:13.739 in the desert to keep cool. You're telling me 00:58:13.739 --> 00:58:17.530 you can't wear a cape in LA? This sounds like 00:58:17.530 --> 00:58:21.150 a skill issue. Well, you know, the thing is that 00:58:21.150 --> 00:58:23.329 the weird little, you know, the capes they wear 00:58:23.329 --> 00:58:27.210 on a planet like a desert planet would also be 00:58:27.210 --> 00:58:29.349 the Jedi robes going forward. It's very weird 00:58:29.349 -->

00:58:31.570 how those are both the same thing. How the Jedi 00:58:31.570 --> 00:58:36.309 robes of stupid fucking regals. Let's not feel 00:58:36.309 --> 00:58:43.949 mad about that. Alex just degrades. Why? If Ben 00:58:43.949 --> 00:58:46.289 Kenobi is wearing the fucking Jedi outfits, why 00:58:46.289 --> 00:58:47.489 would they not be like, oh, that's a fucking 00:58:47.489 --> 00:58:52.550 Jedi? The answer to that is that the vast majority 00:58:52.550 --> 00:58:55.670 of people in the galaxy never saw a Jedi. No, 00:58:55.670 --> 00:58:58.590 it's not. So they wouldn't know what a Jedi looks 00:58:58.590 --> 00:59:02.289 like. That is the answer. That is the answer. 00:59:02.769 --> 00:59:06.570 That's part of why there's no Jedi in Andor. 00:59:06.670 --> 00:59:08.949 Like Tony has talked about, like he asked, you 00:59:08.949 --> 00:59:12.530 know, Pablo Hidalgo, look, like how many people 00:59:12.530 --> 00:59:15.510 in the galaxy even know what a Jedi is? And the 00:59:15.510 --> 00:59:18.570 answer is that most people have never seen one. 00:59:18.710 --> 00:59:21.210 And so therefore, if you're going to make a show 00:59:21.210 --> 00:59:26.570 that is more realistic and grounded in this universe, 00:59:26.670 --> 00:59:29.679 it. reasons to believe that they would never 00:59:29.679 --> 00:59:32.219 come across a jedi right because of that that 00:59:32.219 --> 00:59:33.679 would be like wearing like a swiss guard outfit 00:59:33.679 --> 00:59:35.340 like you see a swiss guard outfit like that's 00:59:35.340 --> 00:59:37.599 a weird thing to wear like there's something 00:59:37.599 --> 00:59:40.440 to it that is like official to it they have no 00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:44.659 media that wasn't true those you took the words 00:59:44.659 --> 00:59:47.659 i don't know we did we did read a book called 00:59:47.659 --> 00:59:50.159 the rise and fall of the galactic empire for 00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:53.920 our patreon patreon .com slash and orcs pod where 00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:58.389 uh they talk about how palpatine encourage the 00:59:58.389 --> 01:00:03.090 creation of anti -jedi television programs that 01:00:03.090 --> 01:00:06.750 would then all surround all involve like shadowy 01:00:06.750 --> 01:00:10.289 figures in clothes who would steal children and 01:00:10.289 --> 01:00:12.449 kill people did they wear the robes in those 01:00:12.449 --> 01:00:16.900 shows you are now you are now contradicting your 01:00:16.900 --> 01:00:22.699 original argument I didn't say Star Wars isn't 01:00:22.699 --> 01:00:25.480 full of contradictions. Don't forget, in Andor, 01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:28.340 we see Edie watching Fox and Friends. We do see 01:00:28.340 --> 01:00:31.059 the morning broadcast. Yeah, Andor is one of 01:00:31.059 --> 01:00:34.619 the few times where they do show some people 01:00:34.619 --> 01:00:37.440 reading, especially in season two. What's one 01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:39.539 of the other most notable times in which we see

01:00:39.539 --> 01:00:41.900 people in Star Wars watching the television? 01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:47.880 The holiday special. It's true. It's so great. 01:00:47.940 --> 01:00:50.579 The holiday special comes up so many times on 01:00:50.579 --> 01:00:52.059 this podcast. I love that the holiday special 01:00:52.059 --> 01:00:55.599 is like the only place we've ever seen. Before 01:00:55.599 --> 01:00:57.440 Andor, it's the only place we've ever seen anybody 01:00:57.440 --> 01:01:00.219 watch a TV in Star Wars. The holiday special. 01:01:02.090 --> 01:01:04.170 I mean, I assume part of the access is somebody 01:01:04.170 --> 01:01:06.489 who's like transporting porn across the galaxy. 01:01:07.789 --> 01:01:11.409 Absolutely. They don't have Pornhub in the Star 01:01:11.409 --> 01:01:16.489 Wars galaxy. Are we saying goodbye to the Fondor? 01:01:16.710 --> 01:01:19.650 Yeah, he's blasted off. He's in hyperspace. He's 01:01:19.650 --> 01:01:25.789 out of here. On that note. On Chewbacca's father's 01:01:25.789 --> 01:01:31.829 porn. Back on Ferrix, Zanwan has his legs kicked 01:01:31.829 --> 01:01:34.110 up on the table at his transport business. No 01:01:34.110 --> 01:01:37.210 granic. Yeah, very sad. He gets a call and picks 01:01:37.210 --> 01:01:39.949 it up. It's Cassian on the other line. Zanwan 01:01:39.949 --> 01:01:41.710 doesn't recognize the voice, but Cassian won't 01:01:41.710 --> 01:01:44.820 turn his camera on. Again. Reminders of this 01:01:44.820 --> 01:01:47.820 being filmed during COVID. Cassian says he needs 01:01:47.820 --> 01:01:50.239 to get a message to Marva and San Juan immediately 01:01:50.239 --> 01:01:53.769 figures out who it is. Cassian also starts to 01:01:53.769 --> 01:01:57.469 realize that Cassian doesn't know his mother 01:01:57.469 --> 01:02:00.489 is dead. Cassian asks San Juan to tell Marva 01:02:00.489 --> 01:02:02.590 he's okay, he's thinking about her, and she'd 01:02:02.590 --> 01:02:05.349 be proud of him. San Juan struggles to figure 01:02:05.349 --> 01:02:07.230 out how to tell Cassian the news and finally 01:02:07.230 --> 01:02:10.110 decides on Cassian. I'm sorry, your mother's 01:02:10.110 --> 01:02:14.880 dead. Back at the Niamo's payphone. Cassian silently 01:02:14.880 --> 01:02:17.239 tries to process the news. He goes through so 01:02:17.239 --> 01:02:19.139 many emotions in rapid succession and then just 01:02:19.139 --> 01:02:22.320 stares into nothingness. Yeah, this is such a 01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:28.920 beautifully sad scene right after such an exciting 01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:32.159 one. It's really interesting that right after 01:02:32.159 --> 01:02:35.579 we have this emotional high point of getting 01:02:35.579 --> 01:02:39.579 to see Luthan get a win, we then cut to Andor 01:02:39.579 --> 01:02:43.809 at his lowest emotional point now. And I just 01:02:43.809 --> 01:02:47.590 really love the performance between Zanwan, who's 01:02:47.590 --> 01:02:53.989 played by Zubin Varla, and Diego. This game of 01:02:53.989 --> 01:02:57.110 telephone between the two of them. Like, throughout 01:02:57.110 --> 01:02:59.389 this, like, Cassian keeps telling Zanwan, like, 01:02:59.489 --> 01:03:01.989 don't say my name, don't say my name, but you 01:03:01.989 --> 01:03:06.230 can tell that Zanwan is so nervous about how 01:03:06.230 --> 01:03:08.949 am I going to tell him that Marva's dead that 01:03:08.949 --> 01:03:12.210 he can't, like, hold on to that fact. His brain 01:03:12.210 --> 01:03:15.150 is just... fully focused on trying to get the 01:03:15.150 --> 01:03:18.800 words out to him well this also goes back to 01:03:18.800 --> 01:03:20.639 you you're saying bill about the quality of like 01:03:20.639 --> 01:03:22.519 the technologies they can't even have like a 01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:26.719 a normal i mean granted who the thing that they're 01:03:26.719 --> 01:03:30.199 far far away from each other but still but andor's 01:03:30.199 --> 01:03:33.340 out on a payphone like he's on a payphone by 01:03:33.340 --> 01:03:37.019 the beach right i would kill there's no way this 01:03:37.019 --> 01:03:39.059 is intentional but it did remind me a lot of 01:03:39.059 --> 01:03:41.929 people listeners have played disco elysium There's 01:03:41.929 --> 01:03:44.909 a very depressing scene at a phone booth that 01:03:44.909 --> 01:03:47.289 reminded me a lot of, good scene in a video game. 01:03:47.389 --> 01:03:49.710 Go play Disco Louisiana. I had to call PSE &G 01:03:49.710 --> 01:03:52.610 today, and it was an absolute, that's a utilities 01:03:52.610 --> 01:03:55.389 company by us, and it was an absolute nightmare 01:03:55.389 --> 01:03:57.670 because my phone kept cutting out. I would kill 01:03:57.670 --> 01:03:59.929 for technology that was as good as the let me 01:03:59.929 --> 01:04:02.789 talk to another planet from another planet. I 01:04:02.789 --> 01:04:06.150 would kill for that. The fidelity of their phone 01:04:06.150 --> 01:04:10.340 call, I would have killed for today. Is Kathy 01:04:10.340 --> 01:04:14.139 calling collect? No, and neither was I. So, you 01:04:14.139 --> 01:04:17.159 know, it's the same thing as far as I'm concerned. 01:04:17.599 --> 01:04:21.139 I mean, our iPhones and everything now are not 01:04:21.139 --> 01:04:24.719 designed to talk to each other through cellular 01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:27.800 calls. So when you try to call people, they don't 01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:30.539 work well at doing that one thing that a cell 01:04:30.539 --> 01:04:33.769 phone is supposed to do. It's so bad. Yeah, this 01:04:33.769 --> 01:04:39.829 is what, what, what a change of tone from. the 01:04:39.829 --> 01:04:43.369 Luthan scene to this. Like, God, it really is. 01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:47.519 It's just such a, this is an emotional gut punch. 01:04:47.739 --> 01:04:50.000 Yeah, because I think this show is all about 01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:53.699 like sitting in the consequences of the character's 01:04:53.699 -->

01:04:56.960 actions. And so like, on the one hand, you know, 01:04:56.960 --> 01:05:00.059 the episode before this, we got Andor's like 01:05:00.059 --> 01:05:04.199 big, exciting escape from the prison, right? 01:05:04.360 --> 01:05:06.739 But what's the consequence of that? The consequence 01:05:06.739 --> 01:05:10.980 of that is he has been gone. for so long that 01:05:10.980 --> 01:05:14.320 his mother has died and there was no way for 01:05:14.320 --> 01:05:18.539 him to know about it. And likewise, if he had 01:05:18.539 --> 01:05:21.840 never gotten out, if he had stayed in Narkina, 01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:25.059 he would have never known that she died, right? 01:05:25.179 --> 01:05:27.179 Or at least when she died, I'm sure he would 01:05:27.179 --> 01:05:30.460 assume at some point that, you know, she's gonna, 01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:32.820 he's gonna outlive her, but. the point still 01:05:32.820 --> 01:05:35.199 stands i don't even see it as like the consequences 01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:37.440 of that because like that implies like to me 01:05:37.440 --> 01:05:40.039 like that implies that like you know like that 01:05:40.130 --> 01:05:42.690 cast did something like cast was oh i mean like 01:05:42.690 --> 01:05:45.630 a narrative perspective like the consequences 01:05:45.630 --> 01:05:49.190 of this story like if this is true then what 01:05:49.190 --> 01:05:54.170 right but to me what i think is even more important 01:05:54.170 --> 01:05:57.880 to like consider is that like from a narrative 01:05:57.880 --> 01:06:00.219 perspective but also from like a like character 01:06:00.219 --> 01:06:04.940 perspective that like when you're out doing like 01:06:04.940 --> 01:06:10.489 big shit life still goes on like the people at 01:06:10.489 --> 01:06:14.389 home their lives continue you're out being a 01:06:14.389 --> 01:06:18.110 big damn hero with people with rebellion but 01:06:18.110 --> 01:06:20.650 people back home they're still living their lives 01:06:20.650 --> 01:06:22.849 and they're still going through you know the 01:06:22.849 --> 01:06:26.230 day by day and and living and dying and people 01:06:26.230 --> 01:06:28.269 you love and people you care about you know like 01:06:28.269 --> 01:06:31.800 their lives are still going on even as your you 01:06:31.800 --> 01:06:36.329 know engaging in and you know in stuff that's 01:06:36.329 --> 01:06:40.349 you know very important and huge but you only 01:06:40.349 --> 01:06:41.969 do those things for those people home and their 01:06:41.969 --> 01:06:44.389 lives are still going on i mean he chose to not 01:06:44.389 --> 01:06:47.710 be there he chose to go on to leave ferrix to 01:06:47.710 --> 01:06:49.369 go try and find his sister like yeah he could 01:06:49.369 --> 01:06:50.889 there's another world where he's there for her 01:06:50.889 --> 01:06:52.849 when she dies that's true yes he made a choice 01:06:52.849 --> 01:06:54.929 to not be there you're correct yes that is true 01:06:54.929 --> 01:06:57.250 yeah she also he wanted her to come with her 01:06:57.250 --> 01:07:00.780 and he did and she did not that's true So it's 01:07:00.780 --> 01:07:02.900 also he feel he probably at the same time feels 01:07:02.900 --> 01:07:05.980 the guilt for that, too. I mean, granted, he 01:07:05.980 --> 01:07:10.809 just got out of this horrific prison where, you 01:07:10.809 --> 01:07:13.769 know, he was just one of dozens of these prison 01:07:13.769 --> 01:07:18.929 facilities. And it's just you see. Well, we'll 01:07:18.929 --> 01:07:20.670 get I have something that I'll say, like when 01:07:20.670 --> 01:07:23.010 you get to the very final scene of this, I'll 01:07:23.010 --> 01:07:25.289 say. But, you know, on that note, though, like 01:07:25.289 --> 01:07:29.909 the last time that he talked to her. You know, 01:07:29.909 --> 01:07:33.449 he talked about how if I go without you, I am 01:07:33.449 --> 01:07:36.210 always going to be worrying about you. I will 01:07:36.210 --> 01:07:38.690 never not be thinking about you. I will never 01:07:38.690 --> 01:07:42.210 not be worrying about you. And Marva turns that 01:07:42.210 --> 01:07:44.090 around on him and says, yeah, that's what it's 01:07:44.090 --> 01:07:46.710 going to be because we love each other. That's 01:07:46.710 --> 01:07:51.360 love. And so I think now like he's realizing 01:07:51.360 --> 01:07:55.280 how much he's lost with her not in. I don't think 01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:59.030 until this moment it really. you know, hit him 01:07:59.030 --> 01:08:01.730 that he was going to have a life without. Because 01:08:01.730 --> 01:08:03.829 throughout this Narkeen arc, he probably was 01:08:03.829 --> 01:08:06.550 imagining, I need to get out of here to get back 01:08:06.550 --> 01:08:11.119 to her. That's why he calls her first. Yeah, 01:08:11.139 --> 01:08:14.460 the message is not to Bix. Mm -hmm. Yeah. But 01:08:14.460 --> 01:08:16.600 if we want to talk about Duncan Powell, a .k 01:08:16.600 --> 01:08:20.279 .a. Melshi, we can. Yeah, well, let's talk about, 01:08:20.319 --> 01:08:22.739 let's recap their scene. Yeah, so back at the 01:08:22.739 --> 01:08:26.560 payphone, Cassian is sort of processing it. And 01:08:26.560 --> 01:08:28.340 just outside the phone booths, Melshi starts 01:08:28.340 --> 01:08:31.579 waiting. Stares waiting, waits staring out at 01:08:31.579 --> 01:08:34.420 the sea. Cassian joins him before Melchie asks 01:08:34.420 --> 01:08:37.840 if he got through and everything is okay. Cassian, 01:08:37.979 --> 01:08:41.500 and I want to talk about this a lot, says, yeah, 01:08:41.619 --> 01:08:45.569 everything okay. And to me, that's such a, in 01:08:45.569 --> 01:08:49.529 this moment, basic is not Cassian's mother tongue. 01:08:51.029 --> 01:08:54.670 Yeah. And in some way, it's like Diego Luna, 01:08:54.689 --> 01:08:56.590 like. sort of not saying like everything is okay 01:08:56.590 --> 01:08:58.590 or everything like everything okay just

is a 01:08:58.590 --> 01:09:00.710 little bit off language wise i don't know if 01:09:00.710 --> 01:09:02.609 that was diego luna's choice or that was in the 01:09:02.609 --> 01:09:05.319 script but in that moment like oh he's it's a 01:09:05.319 --> 01:09:07.840 reminder of that he is a foreigner and he this 01:09:07.840 --> 01:09:09.420 is not his beta sick tongue i think the really 01:09:09.420 --> 01:09:12.680 important element maybe metatextual of having 01:09:12.680 --> 01:09:14.460 diego luna play this character but it's a really 01:09:14.460 --> 01:09:19.159 core aspect of cassian yeah like he's not in 01:09:19.159 --> 01:09:23.390 this moment right now he's still with marva And 01:09:23.390 --> 01:09:27.430 he looks like he's a thousand miles away from 01:09:27.430 --> 01:09:30.989 Melchi as he walks up to him. He's just shell 01:09:30.989 --> 01:09:33.229 -shocked. And Melchi is the one who's actually 01:09:33.229 --> 01:09:35.569 doing, after that moment, he's the one who's 01:09:35.569 --> 01:09:37.550 saying things. And all the answers that Andor 01:09:37.550 --> 01:09:40.170 gives after that are all, he says, I think the 01:09:40.170 --> 01:09:42.250 great line, or the line that Melchi says is like, 01:09:42.350 --> 01:09:45.390 all this space, the fresh air, it's like a dream. 01:09:46.109 --> 01:09:48.250 But how many do you think made it, you know, 01:09:48.250 --> 01:09:50.210 out of the prison? And he just says, not enough. 01:09:50.430 --> 01:09:52.500 Like, he's just sort of... he's gone like he 01:09:52.500 --> 01:09:55.420 can't comprehend anything that's happening right 01:09:55.420 --> 01:09:58.880 now he's you don't like see him really like lose 01:09:58.880 --> 01:10:01.739 his edge very often and this is like the maybe 01:10:01.739 --> 01:10:06.880 the only time in really the entire series where 01:10:06.880 --> 01:10:11.880 he does yeah absolutely like even in all of the 01:10:11.880 --> 01:10:17.189 chaos of Ferex and Gorman and my, and you know, 01:10:17.210 --> 01:10:19.890 his exploits with the Maya pay brigade. Like 01:10:19.890 --> 01:10:23.090 he is on top of his shit at every moment, even 01:10:23.090 --> 01:10:25.130 when going back to the beginning of the show, 01:10:25.250 --> 01:10:28.829 when he was a scumbag, right? Like before he's 01:10:28.829 --> 01:10:32.029 full on rebel operative, he's always on top of 01:10:32.029 --> 01:10:34.369 everything. And this feels like the one moment 01:10:34.369 --> 01:10:37.270 in which you could get the jump on Cassian and 01:10:37.270 --> 01:10:40.430 he would not, you know, he is not aware of his 01:10:40.430 --> 01:10:43.529 surroundings right now. But this is also deeply 01:10:43.529 --> 01:10:46.170 radicalizing him of, yeah, not enough people 01:10:46.170 --> 01:10:48.909 got out and this whole system needs to be taken 01:10:48.909 --> 01:10:51.210 down. He would not have had that reaction at 01:10:51.210 --> 01:10:52.630 the beginning of the show to all these people 01:10:52.630 --> 01:10:54.390 being trapped. It's a good thing he stole his 01:10:54.390 --> 01:10:57.189 money and stuff back before that happened because 01:10:57.189 --> 01:10:59.689 he does that scene before he sneaks in and grabs 01:10:59.689 --> 01:11:02.170 his little briefcase. But if he'd done that after 01:11:02.170 --> 01:11:03.770 he found out, he probably would have gotten caught. 01:11:04.170 --> 01:11:08.750 Yeah. And he calls and says that Marva would 01:11:08.750 --> 01:11:11.739 be proud of him. Like, I think he knows that 01:11:11.739 --> 01:11:15.539 he has changed thanks to what's happened in Narkeena, 01:11:15.659 --> 01:11:20.859 but it's only now, I think, feeling the loss 01:11:20.859 --> 01:11:23.800 of Marva, I think is what is really going to 01:11:23.800 --> 01:11:27.359 radicalize him, that he is learning not just 01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:30.100 what the physical consequences of the Empire 01:11:30.100 --> 01:11:32.760 are, but the emotional ones too, that the Empire 01:11:32.760 --> 01:11:37.300 has now stolen away his last year, you know, 01:11:37.319 --> 01:11:40.859 with his mother. He lost that because of the 01:11:40.859 --> 01:11:44.380 Empire chasing after him. I think that this is 01:11:44.380 --> 01:11:49.340 the first sign we see of his changing into the 01:11:49.340 --> 01:11:52.939 character we see at the beginning. He's very 01:11:52.939 --> 01:11:57.960 cold, he's very closed off, and he's very harsh. 01:12:00.520 --> 01:12:06.119 This is the first major loss, and then Bix later 01:12:06.119 --> 01:12:10.029 on. You know, these are the things that turn 01:12:10.029 --> 01:12:15.189 him into a person similar to Luthan. That he 01:12:15.189 --> 01:12:19.010 understands, in a way, the way Luthan is and 01:12:19.010 --> 01:12:22.090 how Luthan is. And that's why he defends Luthan 01:12:22.090 --> 01:12:24.689 later on and says those things. Because he understands 01:12:24.689 --> 01:12:27.649 the loss, the sacrifice that Luthan made that 01:12:27.649 --> 01:12:31.270 those people do not and did not make, for the 01:12:31.270 --> 01:12:34.569 most part. Yeah. I mean, really, the only, if, 01:12:34.689 --> 01:12:37.489 you know, I don't want to put, you know. The 01:12:37.489 --> 01:12:38.989 only one that understands he'd be close to that 01:12:38.989 --> 01:12:40.970 and just showed him the shout is Mon Mothma. 01:12:42.869 --> 01:12:46.800 And I think tying it around to Rogue One, I think 01:12:46.800 --> 01:12:50.039 the context of him staring out as the sunrise 01:12:50.039 --> 01:12:55.199 over the ocean is clearly, you know, designed 01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:57.199 to make you think of his final moments on Jedha. 01:12:57.239 --> 01:12:59.140 And now when you rewatch that movie, you go, 01:12:59.220 --> 01:13:02.409 oh, he's thinking about his mother. just recontextualizes 01:13:02.409 --> 01:13:04.550 that scene exactly what i was gonna say and think 01:13:04.550 --> 01:13:07.109 yeah it's like

it's such a good foreshadowing 01:13:07.109 --> 01:13:11.689 of that later moment that he sort of like he 01:13:11.689 --> 01:13:14.029 at least at that moment like at this moment he 01:13:14.029 --> 01:13:16.010 doesn't hasn't done what he feels like he probably 01:13:16.010 --> 01:13:18.550 could do and then there he realizes he's done 01:13:18.550 --> 01:13:22.829 something and now he can almost enjoy the sunset 01:13:22.829 --> 01:13:25.729 i mean it's his mother is proud of him yeah in 01:13:25.729 --> 01:13:28.670 that moment yeah also i just wrote down like 01:13:28.670 --> 01:13:31.109 by one nose like this melchie is such a great 01:13:31.649 --> 01:13:34.529 you know he's that's why i was like before like 01:13:34.529 --> 01:13:37.430 you wish that he was in rogue one more and in 01:13:37.430 --> 01:13:39.670 this you get to see melchi and yeah i love melchi 01:13:39.670 --> 01:13:43.149 yeah i love him in his niyamos outfit he went 01:13:43.149 --> 01:13:45.670 to like the dan flashes store and got a shirt 01:13:45.670 --> 01:13:49.029 with a really complicated pattern on it i mean 01:13:49.029 --> 01:13:50.810 maybe maybe that is one of those tactical shirts 01:13:50.810 --> 01:13:57.109 could be we got tactical pajamas I love that 01:13:57.109 --> 01:13:59.069 they're also at the exact same spot where he 01:13:59.069 --> 01:14:01.689 had been arrested the first time. Oh yeah, that's 01:14:01.689 --> 01:14:05.550 probably not production reasons. Yeah. True. 01:14:06.590 --> 01:14:10.189 I just hope they got a mojito before or after 01:14:10.189 --> 01:14:12.789 this, because I know they earned one. I mean, 01:14:12.829 --> 01:14:15.880 I think maybe they just couldn't do it, but if 01:14:15.880 --> 01:14:18.140 this is Miami, there should be two old Jews doing 01:14:18.140 --> 01:14:24.039 laps at the beach. Well, I mean, we were going 01:14:24.039 --> 01:14:26.770 to talk about this, you know. Previous last week, 01:14:26.869 --> 01:14:31.890 but I think it's we see how empty the beach is. 01:14:31.949 --> 01:14:35.310 The beach is devoid of life now. I think because 01:14:35.310 --> 01:14:38.689 the empire has gone out and arrested everybody 01:14:38.689 --> 01:14:40.989 out on the beach and anybody who didn't get arrested 01:14:40.989 --> 01:14:43.810 now knows if I hang out on the beach, the empire 01:14:43.810 --> 01:14:46.729 will find some reason to arrest me. And so we're 01:14:46.729 --> 01:14:48.970 seeing the ways in which the fascist empire. 01:14:49.520 --> 01:14:52.380 is destroying these community beaches, these 01:14:52.380 --> 01:14:55.579 community spaces that were once filled with life 01:14:55.579 --> 01:14:59.520 are now devoid of it because people are afraid 01:14:59.520 --> 01:15:01.539 and people go into hiding and people stay in 01:15:01.539 --> 01:15:04.000 their homes. Yeah, and at the same time, they're 01:15:04.000 --> 01:15:05.979 trying, like, the thing that Melshi wants more 01:15:05.979 --> 01:15:10.239 than anything is to tell the galaxy what they're 01:15:10.239 --> 01:15:14.340 doing to people. You know, they, I mean, do we 01:15:14.340 --> 01:15:17.199 know how, we don't ever learn how Melshi is, 01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:19.380 you know. picked up, but I assume it's something 01:15:19.380 --> 01:15:22.560 stupid the same way that Cassian is. He was loitering, 01:15:22.560 --> 01:15:26.000 and okay, now you're in our prison to build panels 01:15:26.000 --> 01:15:31.180 for the Death Star. He was space, Bernie Madoff. 01:15:36.140 --> 01:15:40.800 Before Melshi goes to tell the world, we need 01:15:40.800 --> 01:15:42.960 to split up, double their chances of survival. 01:15:43.930 --> 01:15:45.510 One of them has to make it for everybody who 01:15:45.510 --> 01:15:48.170 didn't. And so Cassian agrees and hands Melshi 01:15:48.170 --> 01:15:51.319 a blaster. but not just any blaster. It's Cyril 01:15:51.319 --> 01:15:55.220 Karn's Preox Merlana -issued Corpo Blaster AD 01:15:55.220 --> 01:16:00.140 -616K6KA. I assume that's not an easter egg that 01:16:00.140 --> 01:16:04.060 we know. I don't remember. I'm looking it up. 01:16:04.739 --> 01:16:07.600 The two shake hands and dap up, both on the verge 01:16:07.600 --> 01:16:13.270 of tears. Cassian watches Melchior leave as the 01:16:13.270 --> 01:16:15.710 music swells. Cassian looks out on the horizon 01:16:15.710 --> 01:16:19.800 and, evoking Jedha, where does he go from here? 01:16:21.939 --> 01:16:24.600 We won't know until next week because it's the 01:16:24.600 --> 01:16:26.920 end of the episode. Yeah, that's the end of episode 01:16:26.920 --> 01:16:30.199 11 right there. And yeah, this blaster, I just 01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:34.000 looked it up. I don't see any deeper significance 01:16:34.000 --> 01:16:38.479 or it's no Glupshido blaster, but it does end 01:16:38.479 --> 01:16:43.779 up and or found it in episode three when he stole 01:16:43.779 --> 01:16:47.939 it off Cyril. And then it reappears and becomes 01:16:47.939 --> 01:16:51.380 the sign. that Melchie has returned to the show 01:16:51.380 --> 01:16:56.659 in season two when he arrives on Yavin 4. And 01:16:56.659 --> 01:16:59.779 so this is the last we'll see of it and Melchie 01:16:59.779 --> 01:17:05.220 for a year. So say goodbye to Melchie. Melchie! 01:17:05.600 --> 01:17:09.100 I don't think Duncan Powell gets nearly enough 01:17:09.100 --> 01:17:14.529 credit for his capability. Or being named Duncan 01:17:14.529 --> 01:17:19.359 Powell. Well, I mean... he can't even take credit 01:17:19.359 --> 01:17:20.720 for that that's that's all about his parents 01:17:20.720 --> 01:17:28.460 but like the he is a phenomenal actor ability 01:17:28.460 --> 01:17:33.039 able to just fill a moment with emotional resonance 01:17:33.039 --> 01:17:38.470 like without doing or saying anything he really 01:17:38.470 --> 01:17:41.729 feels like he he really is one of those people 01:17:41.729 --> 01:17:44.170 that on the screen

just kind of it just he just 01:17:44.170 --> 01:17:48.079 brings something ineffable without even managing 01:17:48.079 --> 01:17:51.720 to say anything. It really is, it is something. 01:17:51.819 --> 01:17:55.680 It's impressive. And it's a really lovely performance 01:17:55.680 --> 01:17:59.159 and one of the rare ones that was allowed to 01:17:59.159 --> 01:18:02.060 kind of pop up again, you know, from Rogue One. 01:18:02.239 --> 01:18:06.239 I remember Gilroy in season two talked about 01:18:06.239 --> 01:18:10.659 how there's certain mechanics of casting that 01:18:10.659 --> 01:18:13.239 made it difficult for them to bring back other 01:18:13.239 --> 01:18:17.489 characters from Rogue One. Essentially that if 01:18:17.489 --> 01:18:21.060 you're going to bring back an actor, you need 01:18:21.060 --> 01:18:23.739 to bring them back for three episodes, and therefore 01:18:23.739 --> 01:18:26.319 you need to pay them according to giving them 01:18:26.319 --> 01:18:28.880 three episodes. It's not just that they can bring 01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:31.819 Riz Ahmed back for a cameo, like if they're going 01:18:31.819 --> 01:18:35.119 to go through all the logistics of bringing Bodhi 01:18:35.119 --> 01:18:37.739 Rook, or I think this was especially true for 01:18:37.739 --> 01:18:40.260 Galen Erso, right? Like if we're going to go 01:18:40.260 --> 01:18:42.520 through all the trouble of getting Mads Mikkelsen. 01:18:43.100 --> 01:18:45.640 That needs to become a three episode arc in the 01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:48.579 same way that Krennic got a three episode arc 01:18:48.579 --> 01:18:53.359 throughout season two. And so Melshi, I think 01:18:53.359 --> 01:18:56.539 by virtue of being a character who's maybe not 01:18:56.539 --> 01:18:58.979 as big. Also cheaper than Mads Mikkelsen. Well, 01:18:59.000 --> 01:19:00.960 that's what I was getting at. Exactly. You know, 01:19:00.960 --> 01:19:04.720 as as a smaller character in Rogue One, we're 01:19:04.720 --> 01:19:07.819 able to bring him in and allow him to be a larger 01:19:07.819 --> 01:19:11.670 part in the story. in a way that ultimately does 01:19:11.670 --> 01:19:18.439 deepen the movie retroactively. I'd like to think 01:19:18.439 --> 01:19:21.500 Mads Mikkelsen is taking a pick up. Mads Mikkelsen. 01:19:21.819 --> 01:19:23.720 Mads Mikkelsen seems to be... He's a busy man, 01:19:23.899 --> 01:19:25.500 though. Yeah, he is a very busy man, but he also 01:19:25.500 --> 01:19:27.460 seems... I think time is maybe more the issue. 01:19:27.539 --> 01:19:31.220 He seems to be up for pretty much anything. But 01:19:31.220 --> 01:19:33.699 he gets paid, I'm sure. Anyway, I'm looking at 01:19:33.699 --> 01:19:35.039 Duncan Powell's Instagram, and I've got some 01:19:35.039 --> 01:19:38.300 bad news. He's having some philosophical conversations 01:19:38.300 --> 01:19:43.229 with Chad GPT. Get the fuck out. Actor brain 01:19:43.229 --> 01:19:47.310 is a crazy thing. Oh, God. Yeah. But thank God 01:19:47.310 --> 01:19:49.409 they got Ben Mendelsohn to come back because 01:19:49.409 --> 01:19:52.720 he just gives the performance of a lifetime. 01:19:54.319 --> 01:19:57.619 Yeah. That's a performance that I think really 01:19:57.619 --> 01:20:04.289 changes after watching Andor because he's so 01:20:04.449 --> 01:20:09.890 much cattier in Andor as a villain. And you go 01:20:09.890 --> 01:20:12.960 back and you watch. rogue one again and you see 01:20:12.960 --> 01:20:16.359 that there so yeah looking forward to talking 01:20:16.359 --> 01:20:19.819 about that a long time from now uh but we're 01:20:19.819 --> 01:20:21.500 not going to get to talk about orson krennic 01:20:21.500 --> 01:20:25.600 for let me see when do we get to talk about orson 01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:29.960 krennic it is gonna be in i think sooner than 01:20:29.960 --> 01:20:33.180 later december so you know actually that bad 01:20:33.180 --> 01:20:35.600 or no that's one two episodes one right yeah 01:20:35.600 --> 01:20:38.359 yeah in the episodes will be coming out in february 01:20:38.359 --> 01:20:41.800 so you know not not that far but quite still 01:20:41.800 --> 01:20:45.859 quite a ways away uh but on that note guys we'd 01:20:45.859 --> 01:20:48.859 love to have you back for season two is there 01:20:48.859 --> 01:20:52.159 anything or any character you would like to call 01:20:52.159 --> 01:20:55.380 your shot for and come back to the show to talk 01:20:55.380 --> 01:20:59.539 about it can be a sequence or an episode or a 01:20:59.539 --> 01:21:02.859 character we've you know a lot of people are 01:21:02.859 --> 01:21:05.359 talking about maya pay a lot of people want to 01:21:05.359 --> 01:21:09.069 do gorman a lot of people want to do uh you know 01:21:09.069 --> 01:21:12.470 um dancing to lcd sound system i love exactly 01:21:12.470 --> 01:21:15.909 i love i mean i can't think of a specific scene 01:21:15.909 --> 01:21:20.470 i love the i think it's episode this is before 01:21:20.470 --> 01:21:26.609 the big um you know the big you know events in 01:21:26.609 --> 01:21:30.930 uh in the square like the palmo square like before 01:21:30.930 --> 01:21:34.229 that just i i find the politics of the group 01:21:34.229 --> 01:21:36.350 that's there already very interesting like the 01:21:36.350 --> 01:21:41.140 sort of french you know, revolutionary, but bourgeois 01:21:41.140 --> 01:21:43.739 kind of group. I find them just fascinating because 01:21:43.739 --> 01:21:49.409 it's such a weird thing. And just the way that 01:21:49.409 --> 01:21:53.569 also in the same episodes, Luthan is also basically, 01:21:53.670 --> 01:21:58.680 you know, letting this planet, you know, it's 01:21:58.680 --> 01:22:02.619 another sacrifice that has to be made. The boring 01:22:02.619 --> 01:22:04.319 version of the show would be like, okay, these 01:22:04.319 --> 01:22:06.000 are indigenous people who are being destroyed 01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:08.029 and they're, you know, an

oppressed class but 01:22:08.029 --> 01:22:10.170 like no they're like they're like rich bourgeois 01:22:10.170 --> 01:22:13.430 merchants yeah like 50th generation silkworm 01:22:13.430 --> 01:22:17.949 spider silk whatever you know weavers those are 01:22:17.949 --> 01:22:20.289 also i mean that's really those those episodes 01:22:20.289 --> 01:22:23.390 are good um also just like the opening scene 01:22:23.390 --> 01:22:25.949 from the season two i'd love the just the nazi 01:22:25.949 --> 01:22:28.479 uh you know i don't know what do you think bill 01:22:28.479 --> 01:22:33.319 if you have uh i i actually really love and would 01:22:33.319 --> 01:22:35.729 love to dive more into mon mothma's relationship 01:22:35.729 --> 01:22:38.750 with her daughter and mon mothma's relationship 01:22:38.750 --> 01:22:45.760 with her heritage i find that fascinating and 01:22:46.079 --> 01:22:50.479 her rejection of that heritage and its and its 01:22:50.479 --> 01:22:55.720 restrictions and its conservative nature i and 01:22:55.720 --> 01:22:59.640 her track cat daughter yes yes i and and like 01:22:59.640 --> 01:23:03.000 how reactionary her daughter is i find it i i 01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:05.810 really do find her Very interesting. As a matter 01:23:05.810 --> 01:23:08.229 of fact, I believe... You all have your own rebellions, 01:23:08.229 --> 01:23:10.050 and that's a rebellion. I believe I actually 01:23:10.050 --> 01:23:13.130 said to Evan, half -joking, that Mon Mothma's 01:23:13.130 --> 01:23:16.989 daughter was my glupshido. We would have accepted 01:23:16.989 --> 01:23:20.069 it. I would have accepted that for sure. It is 01:23:20.069 --> 01:23:23.050 now. We're retroactively making it your glupshido 01:23:23.050 --> 01:23:24.689 choice. And it's like, not because I like her, 01:23:24.750 --> 01:23:29.350 I despise her. Oh, yeah. But if Laeda shows up, 01:23:29.510 --> 01:23:32.010 you're going to be pumped. Yeah, I want to know 01:23:32.010 --> 01:23:33.779 about that. You know what's going to happen? 01:23:33.899 --> 01:23:36.880 Leta is going to have a daughter or a kid in 01:23:36.880 --> 01:23:41.260 her arranged marriage, and as a rebellion, they're 01:23:41.260 --> 01:23:44.979 going to become a great rebel operative against 01:23:44.979 --> 01:23:48.520 the First Order. And that's how the cycle continues. 01:23:48.720 --> 01:23:51.979 It's like poetry. It rhymes. They'll become a 01:23:51.979 --> 01:23:54.739 Jedi. The other option is Brasso, but that's 01:23:54.739 --> 01:23:56.859 just because Brasso is absolutely incredible. 01:23:58.039 --> 01:24:02.050 Yeah. We've gotten to see a little bit of Brasso 01:24:02.050 --> 01:24:05.989 again the last couple of weeks, and I'm excited 01:24:05.989 --> 01:24:09.489 for him to get to show up in the next episode. 01:24:09.510 --> 01:24:11.909 I thought you might have said him as your character. 01:24:14.529 --> 01:24:16.710 It's not even like, oh, this would be interesting 01:24:16.710 --> 01:24:21.250 to explore. It's just like, Brasso's just great. 01:24:22.090 --> 01:24:23.949 He's just a guy. Most people are just a guy. 01:24:24.390 --> 01:24:28.500 I want to be Brasso. I know, right? I want to 01:24:28.500 --> 01:24:35.600 be that cool. To just perfectly sabotage a cop 01:24:35.600 --> 01:24:39.720 car so it immediately crashes into a wall without 01:24:39.720 --> 01:24:41.739 anyone knowing you did anything. I want to be 01:24:41.739 --> 01:24:46.420 that cool. Yeah. I mean, season two is not without 01:24:46.420 --> 01:24:49.319 so many, I mean, not that season one is, you 01:24:49.319 --> 01:24:52.670 know, but season two also just has so much. good 01:24:52.670 --> 01:24:54.869 anything like with the isb and like the whole 01:24:54.869 --> 01:24:57.029 like politics of the isb is also fascinating 01:24:57.029 --> 01:24:59.590 that i think is you know very interesting that 01:24:59.590 --> 01:25:03.920 becomes even more important just yeah i would 01:25:03.920 --> 01:25:06.460 recommend if you are interested the there's a 01:25:06.460 --> 01:25:08.479 very small people i would list recommend reading 01:25:08.479 --> 01:25:10.739 the rise and fall of the galactic empire i think 01:25:10.739 --> 01:25:13.079 both of you guys get a kick out of it because 01:25:13.079 --> 01:25:15.079 it's somebody which a historian legitimately 01:25:15.079 --> 01:25:17.399 trying to make all of this stuff make sense in 01:25:17.399 --> 01:25:19.239 a political way and it's very interesting way 01:25:19.239 --> 01:25:21.420 of in a very smart political way of like, how 01:25:21.420 --> 01:25:24.060 does this actually work as a bureaucracy? Did 01:25:24.060 --> 01:25:25.960 you either, did you both read or did you read 01:25:25.960 --> 01:25:27.560 the first book? I know there's a second one coming 01:25:27.560 --> 01:25:30.100 out of the reign of the empire. Not yet. We're 01:25:30.100 --> 01:25:33.239 going to, for our Patreon, patreon .com slash 01:25:33.239 --> 01:25:36.000 and works pod. Uh, we will be pretty good. I 01:25:36.000 --> 01:25:38.359 liked it. I'm excited to read it. Yeah. We've 01:25:38.359 --> 01:25:41.000 been, I've been kind of saving it to, to read 01:25:41.000 --> 01:25:44.260 for the show, but that'll be coming up, uh, towards 01:25:44.260 --> 01:25:47.600 the end or at the beginning of season two. We're 01:25:47.600 --> 01:25:49.800 going to talk about it. Yeah, the first one was 01:25:49.800 --> 01:25:51.840 good. The second one comes, I think, next week. 01:25:51.880 --> 01:25:54.340 Well, next week as of the recording of this, 01:25:54.460 --> 01:25:59.369 but it's interesting. I now wonder how the second 01:25:59.369 --> 01:26:02.590 one will be given the period of time. I've seen 01:26:02.590 --> 01:26:05.109 some excerpts from it, and it seems like we're 01:26:05.109 --> 01:26:08.270 getting a lot of Saw Gerrera, so look forward 01:26:08.270 --> 01:26:13.550 to that. Yeah, thank you guys so much for joining

01:26:13.550 --> 01:26:16.430 us for this seven minutes. I know you got to 01:26:16.430 --> 01:26:20.020 cover... andor on your show but i hope you enjoyed 01:26:20.020 --> 01:26:23.560 being able to get into this level of granular 01:26:23.560 --> 01:26:26.460 detail about it anytime i can talk about andor 01:26:26.460 --> 01:26:29.699 it's always a pleasure yeah i mean we we threatened 01:26:29.699 --> 01:26:34.689 we threatened our audience with a level of granular 01:26:34.689 --> 01:26:38.590 granular arity granularity that's that's the 01:26:38.590 --> 01:26:45.369 word that you guys uh commit yourself to um but 01:26:45.369 --> 01:26:47.590 you know ours was like one episode per episode 01:26:47.590 --> 01:26:51.510 so that still still doesn't uh get to the doesn't 01:26:51.510 --> 01:26:54.170 cut that that would have been 20 yeah you know 01:26:54.170 --> 01:26:57.600 we you know we gotta we gotta we gotta watch 01:26:57.600 --> 01:27:01.180 movies too you know i mean i'm just doing this 01:27:01.180 --> 01:27:03.380 stretch it out image like that is that that's 01:27:03.380 --> 01:27:05.420 what we're stuck here if we want to make this 01:27:05.420 --> 01:27:07.239 last we gotta we gotta go as small as we can 01:27:07.239 --> 01:27:10.989 yeah Thank you guys for, for joining us. Do you 01:27:10.989 --> 01:27:13.390 have anything you want to plug and where can 01:27:13.390 --> 01:27:16.710 people find you? Uh, you can find, you can listen 01:27:16.710 --> 01:27:19.130 to the podcast. Let's the projector at left of 01:27:19.130 --> 01:27:22.890 the projector .com at any, any find a podcasting 01:27:22.890 --> 01:27:26.189 platform. You can go to Patreon slash left of 01:27:26.189 --> 01:27:28.329 the projector pod as well and support the show. 01:27:29.239 --> 01:27:31.520 We've got, you know, this is going to be October 01:27:31.520 --> 01:27:34.159 soon, so I can assure you we'll have, you know, 01:27:34.159 --> 01:27:39.359 some spooky movies for, for that time. And what 01:27:39.359 --> 01:27:41.920 do we got coming up? What do we got coming up? 01:27:42.220 --> 01:27:44.800 Oh, actually, when will this be? When does it 01:27:44.800 --> 01:27:48.699 come out? Yeah. This episode is going to drop 01:27:48.699 --> 01:27:53.260 on our main feed actually on November 8th. So 01:27:53.260 --> 01:27:55.380 a little ways from now. We have no idea what 01:27:55.380 --> 01:27:56.920 will be coming up after that because we don't 01:27:56.920 --> 01:27:58.979 put in that far. We do. We'll have some horror 01:27:58.979 --> 01:28:01.520 movies. We've got an episode on Nightcrawler. 01:28:01.520 --> 01:28:04.539 I made specifically. Cool. The episode on Nightcrawler 01:28:04.539 --> 01:28:08.300 will have come out. Four months before this episode. 01:28:08.979 --> 01:28:12.659 Not four months. Four weeks. Four weeks. Unless 01:28:12.659 --> 01:28:15.380 it came out retroactively. If it came out in 01:28:15.380 --> 01:28:17.800 the past. It will be more than four weeks, but 01:28:17.800 --> 01:28:21.289 yes, it will be, you know. Yeah, there'll be 01:28:21.289 --> 01:28:25.770 some spooky movies. That's probably all we could 01:28:25.770 --> 01:28:29.609 say. They'll be available on the feed, leftoftheprojector 01:28:29.609 --> 01:28:31.210 .com. We'll be there. Go check it out. We'll 01:28:31.210 --> 01:28:32.810 be there. We'll be talking about movies. We'll 01:28:32.810 --> 01:28:35.779 have guests. We have some good stuff. We always 01:28:35.779 --> 01:28:38.199 have good stuff in the pipeline coming up. And 01:28:38.199 --> 01:28:43.020 you can listen to the four of us plus Ward to 01:28:43.020 --> 01:28:45.100 talk about Okja. Have a listen to that. You should 01:28:45.100 --> 01:28:47.619 check that out. One of my favorite movies, the 01:28:47.619 --> 01:28:52.579 Bong Joon -ho super pig film, where the premise 01:28:52.579 --> 01:28:54.960 is essentially, what if E .T. was delicious? 01:28:56.119 --> 01:28:58.539 We don't know if the original E .T. was not delicious. 01:28:59.859 --> 01:29:05.000 We don't know that. Exactly. But you find out 01:29:05.000 --> 01:29:07.279 in that episode. So go listen to our Okja episode. 01:29:07.819 --> 01:29:12.020 Indeed. Thank you guys so much for joining us 01:29:12.020 --> 01:29:16.319 today. Thank you all for listening. Be sure to 01:29:16.319 --> 01:29:19.159 rate and review the show on your podcast platform 01:29:19.159 --> 01:29:22.239 of choice. It really helps spread the word about 01:29:22.239 --> 01:29:25.619 Andorx. All you got to do, five stars, podcast 01:29:25.619 --> 01:29:28.680 good. That's it. Just go do it right now. You 01:29:28.680 --> 01:29:33.039 can do it. You did it? Thank you. 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We'll look into the description. 01:30:07.529 --> 01:30:10.810 My very good friend, whose family is from Eritrea, 01:30:11.029 --> 01:30:15.710 guested and had some very personal connections 01:30:15.710 --> 01:30:20.750 to the history of imperial resistance, resistance 01:30:20.750 --> 01:30:26.359 to imperialism in the Horn of Africa. Cool. But 01:30:26.359 --> 01:30:30.439 yeah, that direct correlation. If you like Andor 01:30:30.439 --> 01:30:33.340 and you like this podcast, you will like that 01:30:33.340 --> 01:30:36.899 movie. And our podcast. Yes. Just going to throw 01:30:36.899 --> 01:30:40.430 that out there. Absolutely. If you like Andor, 01:30:40.430 --> 01:30:42.189 because you're going to like Left of the Projector, 01:30:42.210 --> 01:30:44.229 I promise, they get to talk about things other 01:30:44.229 --> 01:30:48.899 than Andor, which... We do that sometimes. Yeah, 01:30:48.939 --> 01:30:51.720 we charge you $5 a month to hear us talk about 01:30:51.720 --> 01:30:56.060 other movies. Something else, please, God. Your 01:30:56.060 --> 01:30:59.319 $5 helps us talk about something other than Andor, 01:30:59.359 --> 01:31:03.319 which my wife is very happy to get to watch something 01:31:03.319 --> 01:31:06.800 else. So you're doing us all a favor. Yeah, she's 01:31:06.800 --> 01:31:12.109 not a patron, so. No, she's not. She suffers 01:31:12.109 --> 01:31:15.550 enough. She pays enough for this show in time. 01:31:16.189 --> 01:31:19.869 You can follow Andorx on social media at AndorxPod. 01:31:19.949 --> 01:31:23.289 Send in your questions about the show to AndorxPod 01:31:23.289 --> 01:31:26.529 at gmail .com. And yeah, we'll see you next week 01:31:26.529 --> 01:31:29.590 for Battle of Algiers. Later, dorks. Bye, dorks. 01:31:29.590 --> 01:31:29.989 See ya.