Full Transcript for 199: Conquest Tour 2015: Hopkins (Presented by Patreon.com/AnHonorablePod)

30 00:02:43.439 --> 00:02:46.280 don't know. I don't think this was it to find it, but I'm 31 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:51.000 pretty sure I watched a documentary about him. He's great. I mean, 32 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:59.280 he really is like a modern incarnation of so many great rappers from dre A 33 00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:04.759 snow Too. I think there's even a little bit of like lyrically, some 34 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:13.319 easy style, um, hard hitting you know, direct lyrics. There's some 35 00:03:13.479 --> 00:03:15.599 M and M influence there. I mean he's great. He really is great. 36 00:03:16.319 --> 00:03:21.479 And speaking of great, um, I might even do like a song 37 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:25.919 by song music review at some point over at patreon dot com backslash an honorable 38 00:03:25.919 --> 00:03:34.800 Podum. I don't know if you have listened to the Batman podcast on Spotify 39 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:39.280 yet, the new one. Yeah, I don't know what the deal is, 40 00:03:39.400 --> 00:03:43.680 but I have not. I would be very curious to explore that and 41 00:03:43.759 --> 00:03:47.159 maybe talk about it over at Patreon as well. Um, I'm like, 42 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:52.360 add it to my playlist on my Spotify while we're sitting here talking. I 43 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:58.759 haven't sitting there. I haven't given it a glance. But Batman being Unburied, 44 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:02.159 Okay, going through a lot of like new music. The new Fazzi 45 00:04:02.199 --> 00:04:06.120 album if you like Metal is really great. Did go listen to the Multiverse 46 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:15.759 of Madness soundtrack to see that soundtrack is so good? That score is a 47 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:20.759 phenomenal Danny killed it very very, very very very excited. My brother said 48 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:26.160 it was one of his favorite Marvel movies and he's way into that whole world, 49 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:30.199 so it's very good. Trust his judgment there. I'm super excited. 50 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:33.879 I love the first one, so I got that on my list. And 51 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:41.240 there's a new Miley Cyrus live album or sort of live album where she covers 52 00:04:41.240 --> 00:04:45.439 where Is My Mind? And I've heard the cover of it him. It's 53 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:50.120 fantastic. So a lot of good new music lately, but the only place 54 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:57.399 to really get new, fresh, hot content is Patreon dot com Backslash Honorable 55 00:04:57.399 --> 00:05:02.639 Pod. The Wrestling Yea series is just wrapping up a big flare steamboat kick 56 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:09.680 formats up every week. 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It is April twenty fifth, twenty fifteen, and we are in 97 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:37.879 Hopkins, Minnesota at the Hopkins Eisenhower Community Center for Conquest to our twenty fifteen 98 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:45.120 Hopkins Bradley presented by Patreon dot Com Backslash an honorable pod. I just had 99 00:08:45.159 --> 00:08:48.639 it in my head that that's what we were doing next, and so I 100 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:52.840 watched it and I was done with it before you informed me that I was 101 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:58.279 wrong completely and I was supposed to have been watching Knight of Champions. So 102 00:08:58.799 --> 00:09:01.759 next episode will be Night of Champions instead. No, next episode of show 103 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:07.080 two hundred, it's Tokyo's Summit. Oh okay, so that's I also picked. 104 00:09:07.639 --> 00:09:13.279 So then we'll get to the Night of Champions. Listen as excited as 105 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:18.600 I am to rewatch Joe and Xavier for the title when Joe made the ROH 106 00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:24.840 BELTU the ROH World title in one night, building a legacy that has now 107 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:31.720 lasted into its twentieth year. I can wait because it will be worth it. 108 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:39.960 And this show actually was a pleasant surprise for several reasons, especially considering 109 00:09:39.960 --> 00:09:43.039 that the impetus for it and even selecting the show was wanting to know why 110 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:46.759 the fuck the last match on the cage match listings went fifteen seconds? Like, 111 00:09:46.879 --> 00:09:52.039 that's the entire reason this show is being what it was selected because I 112 00:09:52.080 --> 00:09:58.919 wanted to know why the main event was fifteen seconds long. Now I understand, 113 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:05.120 and it's actually not a terrible idea now, which led to a Twitter 114 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:11.679 thought for me on Thursday to twelve, and it's something we'll talk about when 115 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:16.279 we get to Jay Lethal later on. But I am hard pressed to find 116 00:10:16.440 --> 00:10:22.840 a better top heel in the Sinclair era. Well you did think of one, 117 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:26.320 then, Dwell, I'll get to that in a second, and then 118 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:31.879 Jay Lethal. As far as wrestlers go, I would say Joe Cough, 119 00:10:31.039 --> 00:10:35.480 Greg Gilland and the rest of Sinclair Broadcasting would be the top heel, but 120 00:10:37.720 --> 00:10:41.039 he can't really put them on. Well, Joe Cough put himself on TV, 121 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:46.080 who could forget let's get eff and hardcore goof. I don't know even 122 00:10:46.120 --> 00:10:48.440 know what you're talking about things. Oh oh, one day we will watch 123 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:54.440 this and you will be on your ass laughing, maybe possibly having sold your 124 00:10:54.480 --> 00:11:00.960 pants, because it is the worst thing I have ever seen, the most 125 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:07.360 insincere rallying cry of all time. And it was a Joe Coff reacting to 126 00:11:07.600 --> 00:11:16.440 Bubba Ray Dudley all right entering of honor in twenty eighteen or whatever it was. 127 00:11:16.120 --> 00:11:22.480 And yeah, so we're in Minnesota, Hopkins, Minnesota, the land 128 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:30.759 of ten Thousand Lakes, the original home of the Lakers. That's why they're 129 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:35.039 Los Angeles Lakers now. So we're in Hopkins. Wouldn't be bothered to think 130 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:39.279 of a new name when they moved to a highly different climate. Look at 131 00:11:39.279 --> 00:11:45.320 the Utah Jazz they were originally in New Orleans. Yeah, yeah, and 132 00:11:46.440 --> 00:11:52.960 they couldn't be the Utah Mormons, or the Utah Salt Lakes or the Utah 133 00:11:54.120 --> 00:11:56.840 the Utah backles. Sure, I don't know what that is, but we'll 134 00:11:56.840 --> 00:12:01.919 go Apparently don't know the chemical formula result. No, I was not a 135 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:09.639 good like whatever they call that periodic table table. Yeah, I was not 136 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:13.320 good at that. Shout out to John Shoop though, who was an awesome, 137 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:18.080 awesome science teacher, and that was his responsibility to try. And did 138 00:12:18.080 --> 00:12:22.840 people sing a salt and pepper at him? No, but he did take 139 00:12:24.039 --> 00:12:31.320 his science robe and put little like tassels on it, and then his wife 140 00:12:31.360 --> 00:12:37.000 bedazzled Shoop on the back of his jacket like Flair would have for his robes. 141 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:41.919 And he would strut and woo and do the four horsemen thing and all 142 00:12:41.960 --> 00:12:50.720 that. So he was awesome like he is. He was probably one of 143 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:54.840 the best teachers I've ever had. And he is a tremendous, tremendous father, 144 00:12:56.559 --> 00:13:03.799 so considering the

challenges he's had as a parent, shout out to mister 145 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:11.960 Shop for being a true real OgH. Tons of respect to him. But 146 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:16.639 we have a dark match on this show and it features some interesting names you 147 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:22.679 may recognize from n XT or the independent scene. We have Danny Adams and 148 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:35.519 Paco Gonzalez defeating Brandon Espinoza and Kurt Stallion. I don't know what Kurt Stallion's 149 00:13:35.639 --> 00:13:43.200 NXT name was, but pretty much everybody here is aaw in Chicago Highland, 150 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:54.159 I think, No, that's Indiana, where no Chicago's like two states away 151 00:13:54.240 --> 00:14:01.080 in Illinois. But I'm talking about aa WAIW, not aiw aa W. 152 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:07.159 We have we have all the vowels covered in wrestling for A and W just 153 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:13.320 missing sometimes why or missing a company that m yes that that hits all of 154 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:18.879 them in their abbreviation and they should all be in like a five state region 155 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:26.000 A I O U sometimes why yeah wrestling It would be great now I'm most 156 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:39.919 wrestling should be sometimes Why yeah? That shows over next week next episode. 157 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:46.200 Uh, make sure you call the FBI and help out Carnell and Kate until 158 00:14:46.240 --> 00:14:50.519 we can solve that case and and we're out later. Keep your chins up. 159 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:56.480 Uh yeah sometimes why wrestling? And I love it? Um wow uh 160 00:14:58.279 --> 00:15:05.679 cut. Commentary on this show is provided by the great King of Old School 161 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:13.799 Steve Currido and Kevin Soaring and Scoring Kelly and we opened up with a match 162 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:22.519 that just screams ring of honor. It is Aria Davari taking on Bobby Fish 163 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:31.559 of Red Dragon fame, and so immediately, like I thought, as soon 164 00:15:31.600 --> 00:15:39.360 as Ari Davari came through, I thought to myself, when is wrestling going 165 00:15:39.480 --> 00:15:50.879 to get away from religious or ethnic stereotypes? Because I'm really bothered by this 166 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:58.960 now watching this this individual match. Not knocking Bobby or Aria Davari, they're 167 00:15:58.960 --> 00:16:07.679 too really talented performers, But when is somebody of Middle Eastern descent just is 168 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:11.639 going to come out and be like a wrestler and not even acknowledge that they're, 169 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:15.000 oh, well, you know my family five generations agoes from the Middle 170 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:21.200 East. Do people not realize that the Devarres are from Minnesota and their father 171 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:26.080 owns a pizza shop. Well, I would have to put that in the 172 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:32.240 context of this is a

ring of honor and it's not going to be sitting 173 00:16:32.279 --> 00:16:36.159 here providing an edict on the character being played by Hari Devaris, and that 174 00:16:36.159 --> 00:16:41.840 would be more the presentation of him himself as a wrestler that he is choosing 175 00:16:41.879 --> 00:16:45.000 to do. Sure, and I would be my assumption. I've never met 176 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:48.080 the inga. I don't know him what all. That's just I look at 177 00:16:48.120 --> 00:16:52.360 it as this is not a company for its dictating to the random person they're 178 00:16:52.399 --> 00:16:56.480 using to fill space on the card because it was probably cheap and he's a 179 00:16:56.519 --> 00:17:00.559 local and he's local. Yeah, they're not dictating the character he's playing on 180 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:07.599 this show. This is yeah, and I took that and I took this 181 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:11.920 as much more this the version of his character he's playing here is not the 182 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:17.039 same as his brother when he was debuting, you know, fourteen, literally 183 00:17:17.359 --> 00:17:22.720 eleven years earlier, damn near to the day. Yeah, at Reborn stage 184 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:26.920 one in Saint paul Um. You know, it's not flying carpet ride like 185 00:17:27.079 --> 00:17:33.240 that. It's I took this as much more of the like the what we're 186 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:37.119 right, what the hell are their names? Um? Yeah, yeah, 187 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:42.200 right? Is much more like the the what are they called? The Punjabi 188 00:17:42.200 --> 00:17:51.519 playboys sort of um, like character the Persian Prince or something like that. 189 00:17:51.799 --> 00:17:57.920 And I don't know, I just I'm just not a big fan of like 190 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:03.559 playing up. I think background in wrestling. I would rather the in ring 191 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:08.759 work do the talking. I think it depends on the how, depends on 192 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:11.599 the how it's done, if it's not, if it's you know, there's 193 00:18:11.599 --> 00:18:25.240 a huge difference between positively embracing your culture and your background and representing versus here's 194 00:18:25.319 --> 00:18:32.319 Muhammad Hassan, you know, yeah, yeah he here here is what they 195 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:34.839 what do they call what do they call? Huvey? And then when they 196 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:44.680 stuck them on lawnmowers, oh luja the Luja Cools, the Mexicos, yes 197 00:18:44.880 --> 00:18:51.240 versus you know that versus just you know, I'm somebody of Mexican descent who 198 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:53.599 is wrestler, and I'm proud of right here, my you know, family 199 00:18:53.599 --> 00:19:00.519 heritage. Like, there's a huge difference in presentations as far as the match 200 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:07.000 goes. I mean, the wrestling here is fine. Um I thought in 201 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:11.839 particular, I mean you see sort

of an aggression from Bobby Fish that that 202 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:18.960 is good, but he also mixes in some of his typical um how could 203 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:26.160 I phrase it, like his sarcastic wit that he is kind of patented, 204 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:32.559 you know, talking into the camera and just he's got that smirk. Oh, 205 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:38.319 because he's funny. Yes, he's amusing, but he is I don't 206 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:45.039 know Bobby all that well on a personal level, but uh, you know 207 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:48.279 he he did to hit him with the hind into the camera, which if 208 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:55.440 you're Howard Stern fan, you should be popping huge for um. He just 209 00:19:55.680 --> 00:20:03.599 seems like he's having fun while he's wrestling and still maintaining that killer shoot style, 210 00:20:03.759 --> 00:20:08.400 red dragon influence. So I think that's that's kind of the strength here. 211 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:14.519 Um. I did notice that Kevin Kelly is helping Scarlet with the ring 212 00:20:14.680 --> 00:20:27.359 intro um, and Carino is making fun of Sinclair on commentary for basically trying 213 00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:37.559 to uh dial back the language. I appreciate that, which m h, 214 00:20:40.119 --> 00:20:45.960 I definitely appreciate that one. I mean, there's use and then there's abuse, 215 00:20:48.839 --> 00:20:57.880 bitch um. So once we get you know there, there's a little 216 00:20:57.920 --> 00:21:03.680 bit of a backstory. Hear the MotorCity machine Guns, who would eventually be 217 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:06.720 revealed to be the Knights of the Red Dawn, the KRD, the guys 218 00:21:06.720 --> 00:21:14.680 in the Red Masks. They injured Davari on a previous episode of Oroh that 219 00:21:14.839 --> 00:21:17.920 was taped for like the road Rage or whatever they were calling it. They 220 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:22.640 were airing on TV the TV tapings, So Bobby attacks the knee here. 221 00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:27.000 Of course, we know the machine Guns and Red Dragon would eventually have a 222 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:33.920 little bit of a story going, so that's pretty cool. Carino is making 223 00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:45.680 more jokes about Jerry the King Waller, which that's interesting in itself, But 224 00:21:45.039 --> 00:21:52.000 this one only goes ten minutes twenty one seconds. Your thoughts on the match 225 00:21:52.039 --> 00:21:56.720 itself before I get into the finish. It's fine. It's a solid enough 226 00:21:56.720 --> 00:22:03.880 opener for the main show. Is this the kind of show they would have 227 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:07.759 This would not be something in twenty and fifteen. They would have been like 228 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:12.519 live streaming. I'm assuming no, this would have been live stream really yeah, 229 00:22:12.559 --> 00:22:18.519 I mean pretty much every every quote unquote house show which Ring of Honor 230 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:25.160 did not do house should thank you. I like, as I say it, 231 00:22:25.920 --> 00:22:30.319 I just get this sinking feeling in myself because that's what they referred to 232 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:36.920 them, as I know they referred girls. In two thousand and nine, 233 00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:40.799 they were being referred to as DVD events. Do the DVD tape shows are 234 00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:45.039 being referred to as house shows because they weren't HD nets And like we literally 235 00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:48.279 there's not a single house show in the entire history of Ring of Honor. 236 00:22:48.799 --> 00:22:52.640 I get the closest, the Soaring Eagle Cup there you go. Yeah, 237 00:22:52.759 --> 00:22:56.359 that is the only house show in the history Ring of Honor because that has 238 00:22:56.400 --> 00:22:59.559 never seen in the light of day in one in any way, shape or 239 00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:03.079 form, right as far as I know, it was never it was never 240 00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:07.880 streamed, it was never put in a DVD. It's not on Honor Club 241 00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:11.119 like that show was a that that is a how show in the Ring of 242 00:23:11.160 --> 00:23:15.519 Honor landscape. Um, I'm other than that that that was a paid show 243 00:23:15.839 --> 00:23:21.000 and that just never got taped. Possibly, I mean they said it's a 244 00:23:21.000 --> 00:23:26.799 casino. I spent my eighteenth birthday there it. I don't know of any 245 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:34.720 other show none during my decade with the company. That was how show everything 246 00:23:36.920 --> 00:23:40.240 was. I mean there's matches to me that didn't make the cut, and 247 00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:42.240 you know, pre shows and stuff, but like a full blown event. 248 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:47.880 Now there's no house shows in the entire catalog of two thousand and two to 249 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:51.880 twenty thirteen. And is that Soaring Eagle Cups the only one I know of 250 00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:59.440 and the entire catalog that was never um public. Yeah, it's bizarre. 251 00:24:00.000 --> 00:24:03.279 It's a very bizarre thing. And just like the definition of a house show 252 00:24:03.359 --> 00:24:07.920 is a show done for the live house. Yes, like me going to 253 00:24:07.920 --> 00:24:11.720 Saturday Night's main event trent the other week, like that was that's a house 254 00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:17.519 show where you saw Roman Rains and his career Apparently, yes, they saw 255 00:24:17.519 --> 00:24:21.640 the internet going to a tizzy because the Roman Rains ended his career in front 256 00:24:21.680 --> 00:24:26.400 of a few thousand people in Trenton and killed another career. It's ever Yeah, 257 00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:30.519 yeah, that's where that's because that's the most logical place to end your 258 00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:34.279 career is is to tell the world in Trenton, New Jersey at a random 259 00:24:34.319 --> 00:24:41.240

Saturday house show that you're a people are silly. I'm going I think it 260 00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:42.920 was fun though it's a fun show. It was fun. I had fun. 261 00:24:44.000 --> 00:24:48.359 Nathan enjoyed himself. I'm going in an airs is the man? Yep, 262 00:24:48.720 --> 00:24:52.359 I'm gonna go go visit in a couple of weeks. I think, 263 00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:57.039 uh, well, in particular, I want to go visit one person on 264 00:24:57.079 --> 00:25:03.240 this show, the rest of him. Um, but the imagine I just 265 00:25:03.240 --> 00:25:08.480 watched. I don't want to watch see enough wrestling in my day. Just 266 00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:14.759 like to say hello and thank you and that that's it. Not there for 267 00:25:14.799 --> 00:25:18.319 the wrestlers, Let the fans sit in the seats. Was there for Nathan, 268 00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:22.559 You're a fan. I'm a fan of the people. I really I 269 00:25:23.319 --> 00:25:30.079 this wrestling, and in the Wednesday and Friday wrestling, not the Monday and 270 00:25:32.079 --> 00:25:37.119 whatnot wrestling. I'm saying, yeah, Okay, Cody and I Will got 271 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:42.680 tongue tied there. Cody and Seth Rollins had a very solid, entertaining house 272 00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:47.279 show match, and I will give them credit for their pay per view match, 273 00:25:47.319 --> 00:25:52.039 which I thought was well backlash. Yet it's the only thing I watched 274 00:25:52.039 --> 00:25:56.240 on the show. Uh, and then I did see like thirty seconds of 275 00:25:56.720 --> 00:26:00.759 Almost and Bobby actually just because I was intrigued by a very tall man, 276 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:04.559 gotcha, I wanted to see how that went. But speaking of tall man, 277 00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:12.039 Bobby Fish would throw some kicks. That's transition, folks. And he's 278 00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:18.920 selling his leg as he's doing the kicks. So Samoan drop exploder into the 279 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:22.799 turn buckles, which was a great bump from Davari. We get the hammer 280 00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:29.759 lock DDT coming out from Aria Davari, which is a Nigel move, and 281 00:26:29.799 --> 00:26:37.960 then he does the magic carpet ride shooting star Press style and Bobby Fish hits 282 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:44.319 the falcon arrow for the win. Ten minutes twenty one seconds. I just 283 00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:48.839 and I noted like at the end here the Persian party or man, you 284 00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:52.920 know that, just just just do your party gimmick, all right, Like 285 00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:56.240 be a party boy. I don't know why we had to throw him Persian 286 00:26:56.319 --> 00:27:03.519 in there. Yeah, then't doesn't add intrigues, not gonna cell tickets. 287 00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:11.079 Just have your good match. And they had to be a human. Yeah, 288 00:27:11.079 --> 00:27:14.160 don't be human, be a wrestler. U. So then we go 289 00:27:14.319 --> 00:27:19.480 speaking of human humans, So I guess you didn't appreciate Barry Horrowood's Jewish wrestling 290 00:27:19.559 --> 00:27:25.480 superstar either because Jewish, I mean, because it was never done before. 291 00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:30.240 I didn't not like it. But then they made him out to be a 292 00:27:30.240 --> 00:27:33.920 total loser, and I was like, well, this is just fucking tatulous 293 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:42.319 because Jews don't who's in sports, come on? Just nitpicking at him. 294 00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:48.279 Well, so, like there's one am using wrestling connection to my sports and 295 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:55.519 Barry Horrowood. So he debuts, he beats uh, Chris Candido, and 296 00:27:56.759 --> 00:27:59.160 I don't know if it was his debut match or whatever it was, but 297 00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:06.839 the thing where he hold up Candido. Have you ever watched wrestling before him? 298 00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:10.559 Yes, so you're you are aware that Barry Horowitz did not debut in 299 00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:15.359 nineteen ninety three, but like, no as a featured you know right, 300 00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:18.480 not as just a job guy. Yeah, he had a big web. 301 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:22.640 Yes, So, like he gets this win and it's you know, on 302 00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:30.559 body done as Chris Candido skip. And that was the same day that I 303 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:37.640 hit a Grand Slam home run to win our championship in baseball, and the 304 00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:41.240 Grand Slam was taken away from me by my own father. He sent me 305 00:28:41.279 --> 00:28:44.759 back to third base. For throwing my helmet in the air and celebrating, 306 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:49.359 and we ended the game in a tie. So on the same day, 307 00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:56.960 you and Barry Horowitz for the Chosen People. That's right, that's right, 308 00:28:57.160 --> 00:29:03.680 we are the Chosen ones. So up next we got a four corner match 309 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:12.200 is the romantic touch Will Ferrara, the Beer City Bruiser and Cheeseburger taking on 310 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:21.319 each other, And I gotta say, um, my biggest complaint about this 311 00:29:21.359 --> 00:29:29.079 match is the Beer City Bruiser's camera positioning. Okay, he took up like 312 00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:32.440 his back was to the hard camp. Um, yeah, just he was. 313 00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:34.839 So it's it's somebody's getting somebody's got to be either. But you're saying 314 00:29:36.039 --> 00:29:37.720 the biggest guy, Yeah, like we should not have been the one. 315 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:42.720 Yeah, that's where Burger needs to be. My biggest freak out was when 316 00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:48.000 Cheeseburger almost became a smash Burger Yeah, on the outside of the ring, 317 00:29:48.559 --> 00:29:55.160 and I thought he his Beer City Does you know the next t the plunge 318 00:29:55.799 --> 00:30:00.960 cactus onto uh, everybody else in the match, and just happens to be

319 00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:07.519 Burger's head that catches the brun of of Bruiser's ass and you immediately see Burger 320 00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:12.079 start grabbing his own head to make sure it's still there. And I even 321 00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:18.160 texted Ratt. I was as it was happening, like, brother, what 322 00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:22.599 the fuck? Why would you text Rett? Because I was texting with rhet 323 00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:26.039 at that moment, Like all right, Oh, I was very confused. 324 00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:29.319 He's not on this show. I was texting with Rat while I was watching 325 00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:34.759 this. Dude, Yeah, I mean so, like, I love the 326 00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:40.240 idea of having this big, huge monster and I'll have more on this thought 327 00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:45.519 later on in the show. Monster Okay, maybe not a monster or not 328 00:30:45.599 --> 00:30:52.599 like a bigger heavy set, you know, dude, Like it's something different, 329 00:30:52.720 --> 00:31:03.160 right, I love that. But your City Bruiser, Like there's something 330 00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:12.319 missing there and I couldn't figure it out. But I enjoyed the difference that 331 00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:18.680 he creates, Like it's another unique way to go about wrestling, and you 332 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:26.240 have four completely bizarre characters here mixing it up. Um, obviously like the 333 00:31:26.319 --> 00:31:32.359 four Corners. As we've talked about over the years, you know on the 334 00:31:32.400 --> 00:31:38.279 show, not always the best match on the show. Um, this this 335 00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:45.680 was not a home run, but it definitely had its moments. That's probably 336 00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:52.920 the worst match in the show, I would agree, Yeah, Um, 337 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:56.400 I just it's like, hey, we got these four guys booked, what 338 00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:59.119 do we do with them? Yep, yeah, that's yeah, that's what 339 00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:08.519 it. Um. I do like the contrast in Burger versus Beer City and 340 00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:16.000 Burger versus Will Uh, and then a romantic touch being the wildcard character. 341 00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:23.839 Um. You know, he mixes in his his sexual innuendo spots and things 342 00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:30.559 of that nature. So that's always fun. Um. But the uh will 343 00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:36.279 for our TOPEI um into the ddt out on the guardrails. That was pretty 344 00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:42.799 cool. Um will picks up the wind pitting a romantic touch uh for such 345 00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:49.480 a hot I mean, for for somebody that is so strong and in such 346 00:32:49.640 --> 00:32:53.519 great tremendous shape, the romantic touch just loses every time he's out there and 347 00:32:53.559 --> 00:33:00.680 there shows love can't win now this Sorry sorry I can't, but I mean, 348 00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:04.880 well, what was going on to wrestle

Kushida? Like, yeah, 349 00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:12.960 right after this basically getting at a little bit of New Japan rub so I 350 00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:15.960 gotta get him that big W. Yeah, the big the big W over 351 00:33:16.119 --> 00:33:23.480 cheeseburger perennial Jabron romantic touch which you know I don't understand that, and and 352 00:33:23.599 --> 00:33:30.559 Beer City Bruiser who's still looking to establish his place in our wage. Um, 353 00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:32.799 he might have had the touch, but he did not have the power. 354 00:33:34.640 --> 00:33:38.119 No, he did not. And that is that is definitely a love 355 00:33:38.240 --> 00:33:44.559 wins related Uh, our love doesn't save? Was that the age of the 356 00:33:44.599 --> 00:33:46.240 Fall thing? That was? Yes, that was yes, there there we 357 00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:52.160 go. Love doesn't save. Um. You know, hey, look, 358 00:33:52.200 --> 00:34:00.240 I mean that's Sae Conrad Sage. Yes, this is, you know, 359 00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:05.559 another one of these four Corner survivals where everybody's doing everything to everybody. And 360 00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:09.039 I don't know. It's time minutes and forty two seconds, and we're twenty 361 00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:15.039 minutes into this show, and I'm just like, oh, why, why 362 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:20.199 just for fifteen seconds of glory at the end of the night. Why are 363 00:34:20.199 --> 00:34:23.320 you making me watch this fifteen seconds? It was a fifteen second curiosity? 364 00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:28.519 Why does this exist? Why does this happen? Obviously there's no context. 365 00:34:29.119 --> 00:34:34.440 You know, people say numbers tell the I believe that numbers. Numbers do 366 00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:39.239 lie. Numbers give no context. It was fifteen seconds for a main event. 367 00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:45.119 Gives you no context. So I needed to know we're getting there. 368 00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:50.400 Speaking of things, put in the work. Always have to do the work. 369 00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:53.840 Yes, absolutely, pay someone else to do it for you. Oh, 370 00:34:54.079 --> 00:35:00.079 I would like to um, Michael Elgan is help next and he's taking 371 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:06.800 on Capris Coleman. I'm just gonna say this right now. If Capris Coleman 372 00:35:06.920 --> 00:35:09.719 was not in this match, I was skipping it because this was long past 373 00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:17.599 the point where Michael Elgan was the work keeping around and worth watching. I 374 00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:27.239 just like heel Michael Elgin at this point. So here's kind of where his 375 00:35:27.280 --> 00:35:34.159 story was at this point. He gets the rh World title taken off of 376 00:35:34.199 --> 00:35:38.440 him in Canada by Jay Briscoe. He gets his rematch, but it's not 377 00:35:38.519 --> 00:35:43.880 one on one. It's the four way at the anniversary show, where literally 378 00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:49.719

all four guys were overshadowed by the return of Samoa Joe. He thinks that 379 00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:54.079 matchmaker Nigel McGinnis has a grudge against him and is out to get him, 380 00:35:54.559 --> 00:36:00.239 so he's now conspiracy theory Michael Elgin. He's going to take out all of 381 00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:05.840 his anger and rage and all the competitors and Ring of Honor, and tonight 382 00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:12.639 his victim is Chris Coleman. And if I didn't have such incredible love for 383 00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:16.920 the work of Chris Coleman, I would have clicked skips so fast on this 384 00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:25.960 DVD that the button would have gotten confused on the remote. Okay, you 385 00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:32.159 do not realize, like because you weren't watching regularly at this point but now 386 00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:37.519 not regularly at all at all. I mean you saw the Knockamura match from 387 00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:44.480 like the next month with Kevin or as if the year before the only night 388 00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:47.119 I watched Roddy and Knockamora. Okay, Roddy and Nackamas, so that would 389 00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:55.519 have been this year. This is the most like I don't know Michael elgin 390 00:36:55.920 --> 00:37:07.480 self masturbatory wrestling match that I think I've seen him ever have I I hated 391 00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:09.639 this. You think that four A Way was the worst match of the night, 392 00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:14.639 I would be inclined to agree, just because Caprice was in this match 393 00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:20.119 and he tried everything he could to make Elegant look like a monster. I 394 00:37:20.199 --> 00:37:29.440 was so over Michael Elegant at this point, like just sick of the same 395 00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:37.519 thing in the same order, with the same lack of emotion, And that 396 00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:45.079 was my reaction to everything he would do. I con carr. I think 397 00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:49.360 I made it bundantly clear, not not the biggest, not not a fan 398 00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:53.639 at all. Um, Yeah it was yeah, and this was too so 399 00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:58.119 the other part of it, like besides the angle part of it, right, 400 00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.920 it was also this is like the visa stuff off and he can't work 401 00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:02.800 here, and then he quit, but then he came back and he's gonna 402 00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:07.239 go play baseball. Okay, that's all this time frame. Yes, I 403 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:10.960 just I knew that. I knew there were decent issues involved as far as 404 00:38:12.039 --> 00:38:19.760 like you the candidate, company and um all that stuff. But and even 405 00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:24.000 that I only I knew tangentially from like you know, reading it on Yeah, 406 00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:30.920 if I could talk reading it, you know on p W insider stuff. 407 00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:38.079 But I was not living this firsthand nor watching it firsthand. It was 408 00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:40.920 all that, Oh, I just see the story, here's an update on 409 00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:46.000 I'll read, here's updates. I'll read the updates on stuff. Basically, 410 00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:51.320 how you were for a Ring of honor or for wrestling in general at that 411 00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:55.440 point was how I was for or how I am right now for what's going 412 00:38:55.440 --> 00:39:02.360 on at w W or impact. UM not said, don't care. I'm 413 00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:13.840 clicking the story, but like you read the information to stay somewhat in the 414 00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:17.639 know, but you're not watching it. Yes, I want to. I 415 00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:25.639 want to be able to at least converse if somebody asks um, whereas there's 416 00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:34.840 other wrestling that I am just totally consumed by, and this, I mean 417 00:39:34.880 --> 00:39:37.559 this match, I would say, you know, I love Bring of Honor 418 00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:43.199 for twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen, which I think we're two really fun years. 419 00:39:44.400 --> 00:39:50.199 But this is like another example of the booking being the problem. Well, 420 00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:54.960 so for contexts from how I gather kind of reading, like all that 421 00:39:55.079 --> 00:40:00.760 stuff with the visa and the quitting and that'll happen like six months before this 422 00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:07.559 happened in twenty fourteen. Yeah, and then so there was something else that 423 00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:15.599 happened like a year later too, because he's still stuck around through at least 424 00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:21.599 the New Japan tour in twenty sixteen. Yeah, it's it's the end of 425 00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:24.559 twenty sixteen that he's done. But I'm just saying, like I'm just saying, 426 00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:30.440 so I'm mixing. So all of that stuff happened in twenty fourteen, 427 00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:37.000 with the storyline of losing the belt and the real life stuff with the visa 428 00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:43.320 and not working and quitting and coming back all happened in twenty fourteen. So 429 00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:46.559 now we're in April of twenty fifteen and pretty much nothing has happened as far 430 00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:52.360 as the storyline progression coming out of that, is what I'm gathering, Like, 431 00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:55.760 it's just kind of spun the wheels since whenever he since he came back 432 00:40:55.760 --> 00:41:01.000 in twenty fourteen, the storyline progressions fun twheels until he left the company, 433 00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:09.039 got never a payoff, gotcha okay, And it's just it's another one of 434 00:41:09.079 --> 00:41:19.920 these delirious stories that have a intriguing start and then just kind of run out 435 00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:25.599 of gas without ever getting to the destination whatever, if there was a

destination, 436 00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:31.679 I don't know, but I hate the fact that I'm watching a Michael 437 00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:40.440 Elgin match here against a really great wrestler and Caprice Coleman, who like tries 438 00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:45.400 to make Elgin look credible. Elgan just stiffs the shit out of him and 439 00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:57.400 then beats him, and there was no excitement, no drama. It screamed 440 00:41:57.559 --> 00:42:07.679 like B show match, Like I don't know, I don't know, m 441 00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:15.199 Thankfully, this was kind of like these first three matches were its own show 442 00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:21.400 in its own corner, and then we pick up from here. Yeah, 443 00:42:21.400 --> 00:42:23.239 I mean the match was, It's fine, but I yeah, same, 444 00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:31.400 completely uninterested anytime we watched these shows, especially from the newer period, like 445 00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:36.719 you know, after you left, We look at it and we go, 446 00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:43.599 Okay, who's moving forward here? Yeah? Have we seen anybody on this 447 00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:51.559 show, aside from maybe Will fer Our moving forward? No, Bobby Fish 448 00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:57.639 accomplishes no forward progress on the card by beating Aria Davari. Will fer just 449 00:42:57.760 --> 00:43:01.039 a match. Yeah, Will fer Our dances to go face Kushida and lose. 450 00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:05.440 But that's already like a sep thing. It's not as if, you 451 00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:07.199 know, the winner of the four Corner Survival gets to wrestle Kushia. That's 452 00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:10.119 already set up. I mean it's in, it's in the cards, it's 453 00:43:10.119 --> 00:43:19.760 already it's already booked, and and obviously Elgin's story is just stuck in them 454 00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:23.840 up. So here we are three entia were three matches deep, and none 455 00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:30.440 of them have any grand scheme beyond the match itself. Yes, correct, 456 00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:37.480 Elgin picks up the wind with the buck Obomb and the Michael Elgin Bomb ten 457 00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:42.039 minutes, forty three seconds. It's a lazy name too, Olgan bomb. 458 00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:51.599 Yeah, because it's just po same power bomb is Fatista, It's a Liger 459 00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:55.719 bomb. Fine, it's you know, I mean, nobody just hated it. 460 00:43:55.760 --> 00:44:01.159 I was always I just strongly disliked that finish the go to of the 461 00:44:01.239 --> 00:44:07.079 buckle bomb, Elgin bomb. Just Dan, I've I've seen enough of the 462 00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:13.480 buckle bomb in my life. All right. That's that's right up there with 463 00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:21.400 like the Canadian Destroyer and all of the variations you know of that I've seen 464 00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:24.719 seen enough. Let's come up with some new stuff. Let's be innovative, 465 00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:32.239 not imitative. Here's here's here's here's what we're gonna We're gonna do all fireman's 466 00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:43.360 carries, Yes, hip tosses for all. Yes, Yes, fireman's carry 467 00:44:43.480 --> 00:44:47.079 because you know, make what's old new again again. That could be a 468 00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:53.719 high spot. Yes, top rope fireman's carry, I mean essentially, you 469 00:44:53.760 --> 00:45:01.880 know top rope. Just call that an attitude adjustments. Yeah, m super 470 00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:07.320 fireman's carry. I think video games if they if if it wasn't a WW 471 00:45:07.480 --> 00:45:10.239 game, I think they'd literally they called it like an elevated fireman's carry. 472 00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:17.159 Instead of the a F, the FU or the attitude adjustment, it's the 473 00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:25.039 elevated fireman's carry. I mean, if you if you look at at the 474 00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:34.079 way some of the modern day like young indie guys invent stuff, it's done 475 00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.760 with the best of intentions. I truly do believe this, that it is 476 00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:45.760 done with the best of intentions. However, I would say every part of 477 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:51.440 the genesis of those intentions comes from Nintendo, PlayStation, Xbox, et cetera. 478 00:45:51.559 --> 00:45:54.119 I saw it in a video game, so I'm gonna do it in 479 00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:59.679 real life. Can I make this a real move? Because I saw this 480 00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:04.679 video game? There you go, And I have no idea if Nintendo makes 481 00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:09.440 wrestling games. That's my frame of reference for video games. So I'm sorry 482 00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:15.480 if that makes me sound like a geezer. I don't know, but I'm 483 00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:22.079 gonna tell you what. This show has a clear delineation of a breaking point 484 00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:31.760 because next up is a match that I had an absolute last during. And 485 00:46:31.840 --> 00:46:39.519 I think this is another part of the story of Adam Page morphing into what 486 00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:47.119 he is present day. It is Adam Page representing the decade taking on Ah, 487 00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:55.440 So there's a story behind behind that. I'm not saying that to insult 488 00:46:55.719 --> 00:47:01.760 Ah or anything, but the first time I ever saw him in person, 489 00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:07.000 he was super impressive. I think you've seen it. I may have told 490 00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:09.199 this story. Yeah, I think you've told it to me. I don't 491 00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:12.440 know if you've told it on the air, but you and I have definitely. 492 00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:17.760 So he's wrestling with the Saint Louis guys. They drove into AIW in 493 00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:24.719 Cleveland and I didn't know what his name was, but his tight sent ach 494 00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:30.000 and I hit the mic was really bad at

that point. They've gotten thankfully 495 00:47:30.039 --> 00:47:37.599 better equipment since. But I just thought his name was Ah and I didn't 496 00:47:37.599 --> 00:47:40.280 know, so, like I'm telling Stu this, I'm like, I think 497 00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:44.400 that guy's name is Ah. I've never seen him before, and he's like, 498 00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:50.519 are you sure? And there were nobody around us that knew who he 499 00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:55.119 was, and so I just kind of rolled with it. And then later 500 00:47:55.199 --> 00:48:00.400 on I think it was revealed when he won the match to his name was 501 00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:07.360 AH, and I was like, well, that sounds like AH. So 502 00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:12.920 he'll be AH for a while, not to end until I know he's good. 503 00:48:13.239 --> 00:48:16.000 But it stands for attitude, charisma, and heart, and I do 504 00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:22.159 believe it is his actual real life initials UM. So maybe that's what he's 505 00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:28.239 going for. I don't know, but Adam Page here, it's his opponent, 506 00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:32.239 and we know the decade which Adam Page was a part of, had 507 00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:38.320 their their beef with ah Um on TV. In recent months and this is 508 00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:45.960 from mc axel's report. I'm glad he contextualized this. Paige tried to burn 509 00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:50.760 one of Ah's rowadressling dot com t shirts. Should have tried to burn his 510 00:48:50.840 --> 00:48:58.960 boots. That would have been hilarious. Burn your boots. That was a 511 00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:05.719 What was the initial story for that was Okay, you're gonna remind me off 512 00:49:05.760 --> 00:49:10.159 air because I seem to remember who it was that said it, but I 513 00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:15.719 don't remember who it was said too h. So they had a fight in 514 00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:22.840 San Antonio. Um and tonight they're gonna have themselves a singles match. Um 515 00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:31.079 and boy did they ever because um Ah does the handshake and he shakes hands 516 00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:36.920 with the entire front row plus Steve Corino and Kevin Kelly, which is kind 517 00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:45.079 of a real life UM inside Baseball story because he apparently was not shaking hands 518 00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:52.679 in the locker room, so he's overdoing it on camera in front of an 519 00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:58.639 audience that doesn't know that. But that's what he's doing. And this is 520 00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:05.760 worker hand. Yes, yes, the great worker Aunt shout out um two 521 00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:09.880 worker ant yes, yes, shout out to work hand who also will be 522 00:50:09.880 --> 00:50:15.119 shouting out, I don't know he's he's in an ant. I know ants 523 00:50:15.119 --> 00:50:20.400 can't listen to podcasts, but i'd be able to. I'm not exactly sure 524 00:50:20.400 --> 00:50:23.559 about the auditory senses of ants. Did you have those big antennas right? 525 00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:30.679 Yes, aunt Anna's Ah, let's see what you did there, well played, 526 00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:37.840 well played? The horrible dad joke, yes, wow yeah? Or 527 00:50:37.960 --> 00:50:42.320 via two time two time dad. So I need two time two time terrible 528 00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:46.280 jokes. You know the crazy thing. I see my brother doing these dad 529 00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:51.880 jokes with my niece and I'm and they're just my dad's recycled material. I 530 00:50:51.960 --> 00:50:55.000 told him he's got to start writing his own shit, kid just copycat stuff, 531 00:50:57.320 --> 00:51:00.800 and he just rolled his eyes at me. But the baby laughs, 532 00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:08.480 So that's fun. This thing starts out great, like Pages. Inside the 533 00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:15.199 ring, they do a big drop kick, spot, flagpole, head scissors 534 00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:23.679 on the floor. Follows up, Page runs away from the opponent. Ah. 535 00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:28.440 Now, if you remember when we've watched decade stuff from the past, 536 00:51:29.320 --> 00:51:34.480 usually somebody Jimmy Jacobs in particular, would run around the ring away from their 537 00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:37.679 opponent, get them chasing, and then bj would cut them off with play 538 00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:44.480 a clothesline or something. There's nobody here for that, so Page gets back 539 00:51:44.519 --> 00:51:51.000 into the ring and he grounds the high flying AH and these guys proceed to 540 00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:58.239 have a really, really good wrestling matches. And this is the kind of 541 00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:07.199 match that I look for years removed from watching these shows live and can appreciate 542 00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:15.440 them more because I think everybody wants to compare the eras, and you know, 543 00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:19.440 oh, who who had as good a matches as you know, Punkin 544 00:52:19.599 --> 00:52:23.800 Joe or Brian and Kenta in the modern era. It's not about who had 545 00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:30.000 better matches, it's who had unique matches and who stood out on their own 546 00:52:30.280 --> 00:52:35.079 with their performance, who let their wrestling do the talking. I think both 547 00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:37.280 these guys have a great, great match here. This is one of my 548 00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:42.800 favorite matches on the show. If it were not for the Jay Lethal Kyle 549 00:52:42.840 --> 00:52:46.920 O'Riley match, this would have been my favorite. Adam Pages is a great 550 00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:52.599 job as the base for ACH's high flying, just showing how well versed a 551 00:52:52.800 --> 00:53:02.599 very young Adam Pages. Believe he was twenty four here twenty three, I 552 00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:10.079 have to look, but yeah, young. So you can see the level 553 00:53:10.199 --> 00:53:19.800 of competency in the ring that Adam is

showing off. For example, Ah, 554 00:53:20.119 --> 00:53:24.719 you know, does some flips and stuff, but he starts firing back 555 00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:31.400 with a kick flurry Adam Page and then hits this running lariat and Page is 556 00:53:31.440 --> 00:53:37.559 selling He's he's kind of like not sure what to react because it's not high 557 00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:43.440 flying stuff, so his cell is more of I'm in pain, but I'm 558 00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:49.119 also unsure how to defend myself. Like. He does a great job of 559 00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:57.360 expressing what's happening to him, And I think it's really something I didn't notice 560 00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:01.800 in twenty fifteen, just because I didn't know that that was what I shouldn't 561 00:54:01.800 --> 00:54:09.079 be looking for. But now seeing how far Adam has advanced, I'm able 562 00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:15.400 to see this and go wow, Like he's really picking up inch by inch, 563 00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:20.840 he's getting better and better and better and maturing more as an overall performer. 564 00:54:21.639 --> 00:54:24.920 Well, I watched somebody who you know, the performer, and that 565 00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:29.199 we know. Now I can see the I see the roots of it. 566 00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:34.719 I see the roots of somebody who care. Who would grow to care about 567 00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:37.719 the the storytelling aspect of it, not just the in ring, not the 568 00:54:38.159 --> 00:54:44.320 not just the moves it would grow to who care about the storytelling part of 569 00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:47.000 it in the match which is evidenced by And I think this goes for both 570 00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:50.320 of them actually, And I know It's not something people tend to think of 571 00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:54.519 with Ach, but like the body parts selling in this from Ah, it 572 00:54:54.599 --> 00:54:58.519 actually pays off. It's not just oh, this is what I'm this is 573 00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:01.320 what I'm doing until it's time or you know, come back and stuff. 574 00:55:01.360 --> 00:55:06.840 It's no. It actually the fact that you know that that that page is 575 00:55:06.840 --> 00:55:10.159 working the midsection, the ribs, the entire match pays off when it come 576 00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:15.639 time for Ah to come back because he's not doing his usual shit to come 577 00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:20.360 back. He's you know, they do that double cross body spot, and 578 00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:23.880 which is so much cooler than the lame double clothesline spot by the way, 579 00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:28.000 if anybody gives a shit about my opinion to that, I hate your loose 580 00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:31.239 line spot. But the double cross body spots so cool, especially with that 581 00:55:31.280 --> 00:55:35.239 good impact. And then Ach obviously is going to take the worst of it 582 00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:38.480 because he's been getting his ribs and tummy worked on this

whole time. And 583 00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:43.280 it's that selling of that plays into the rest of the match, like he's 584 00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:49.079 not doing his usual stuff because he's banged up, and I don't think people 585 00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:54.119 think of Ahs being that guy. This is our most recent example of ROH 586 00:55:54.159 --> 00:56:00.800 doesn't tell stories. Part six thousand hundred. But this is a story within 587 00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:05.199 the match. Yeah, And I think it's a story within the match, 588 00:56:05.199 --> 00:56:07.000 and I guess, you know, you can look at it too as a 589 00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:12.559 story of Page learning from his decade peeps, um picking up little things from 590 00:56:12.599 --> 00:56:17.559 them, whether it be moves like actual moves that they do or u and 591 00:56:17.719 --> 00:56:24.320 actually it translating into something more than just he's just the young boy carrying their 592 00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:30.360 their water bucket. Yep. It's it's really good stuff. Yeah, and 593 00:56:30.440 --> 00:56:32.079 you watch and you and I think this is the first time you really from 594 00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:37.199 what we've know because I've watched the show now, we've watched the show for 595 00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:45.280 this where he joined the decade, and we've seen a few other spots where 596 00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:49.360 he's been involved with him, but this one is like a full blown He's 597 00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:52.880 now a full blown member of Like he's a heel now with this match, 598 00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:57.719 he's not just the young boy learning under these the you know these three, 599 00:56:57.800 --> 00:57:01.800 He's he becomes a full blown heel of his own through this match, and 600 00:57:01.840 --> 00:57:09.159 I think you get the first real character out of you know, the the 601 00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:17.039 future Hangman with this match. It's that progression that we've seen from deduction as 602 00:57:17.119 --> 00:57:28.039 the young boy to turning on Cedric to becoming this more adult version of Adam 603 00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:34.360 Page. Yeah, he's more agressive than he was before. He's on his 604 00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:37.639 Oh, like you said, he's on his own completely. There's no bj 605 00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:43.920 Rody or Jimmy at ringside with him. He is. Yeah, at last, 606 00:57:44.280 --> 00:57:52.360 he's on his Oh well, we've we've really gotten the music in today. 607 00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:58.559 I like that Christian theme, so I like the one that sounded like 608 00:57:58.719 --> 00:58:02.719 the Queen's song. Yeah, that's what I was just saying. But there's 609 00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:13.880 a there's two, Chris show I can't do a false setto or whatever. 610 00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:17.599 I don't know what things are. There's two. There was like an original 611 00:58:17.719 --> 00:58:22.079 version that lasted like a week or two weeks, and then there was the 612 00:58:22.119 --> 00:58:27.159 next one that was like the staple but still not as good as his just 613 00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:34.400 close your Eyes song my opinion. So we uh, we talked about where 614 00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:37.920 they they would go during the course of the match. The finish is Page 615 00:58:38.159 --> 00:58:45.760 just viciously ramming Ah into the guardrail, shooting star Press off the apron by 616 00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:52.199 the future hangman Um. They go back into the ring, Ah blocks a 617 00:58:52.280 --> 00:59:00.239 superplex and hits a flying mushroom double stomp to the back of the head of 618 00:59:00.239 --> 00:59:05.679 of Page that gets a two count. He misses the four fifty splash, 619 00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:12.800 he tries the hero's grip, Page blow blows Ah, and he gets the 620 00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:21.280 win as he's stolen it from age sixteen thirty eight. A wonderful example of 621 00:59:21.519 --> 00:59:29.920 character work in ring quality action. A finish that I know some people are 622 00:59:29.920 --> 00:59:34.079 probably good to low blow she did. No, I didn't get the finishing 623 00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:38.320 move. No, it fits the character. It's perfect. This This gets 624 00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:44.000 me. I'm clapping. Yeah, I would stand up if I was out 625 00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:52.960 of camera view. I love this match, and I am a monstrous fan 626 00:59:52.239 --> 01:00:00.239 of Hayman Adam Page and this whole journey from you know literally remember him doing 627 01:00:00.239 --> 01:00:05.480 a dark match um where he had like a bowl cut with his hair, 628 01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:10.440 uh to seeing where he is now present day is like one of the greatest 629 01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:16.519 journeys for me as a wrestling fan, a fan of that style of wrestling. 630 01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:23.000 To see start, you know, growth, more growth, top guy 631 01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:30.000 in a small place, big name, top guy in the top place. 632 01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:38.599 Pretty awesome. M final thoughts on this match for for I definitely give it 633 01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:42.639 a strong thumbs up. It's the best thing that's happened thus far. It's 634 01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:47.920 you know, top three on the show. I'm a big fan of it 635 01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:57.719 and I think as a's it's a bit of um, it's a break it's 636 01:00:58.039 --> 01:01:00.840 I'm not gonna call it a breakout, but it's a bit of a a 637 01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:07.000 leveling up, I think for for Page, um as far as thing is 638 01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:14.880 saying, becoming a character, a more defined character than just the young boy 639 01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:22.119 for the decade, um kind of showing how he's learned under their tree and 640 01:01:22.760 --> 01:01:25.599 on top of it, on top of the the the story part of it, 641 01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:28.800 it's the bell, the bell of It's really exciting

and I think you 642 01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:32.760 get to see an ach that you don't necessarily expect with the potential to detail 643 01:01:32.760 --> 01:01:38.280 on the selling in the back half of the match. So big thumbs up. 644 01:01:39.320 --> 01:01:45.119 Good match. But it's not over yet because that shot to the Nego 645 01:01:45.199 --> 01:01:52.119 regions of ACG causes a big fight and Ah and Adam Page are separated. 646 01:01:52.039 --> 01:02:00.679 They keep fighting and we've got some screaming from Ah and uh Ah does the 647 01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:08.199 big running moon salt running you know, Air Jordan flipping moon salt thingy that 648 01:02:08.239 --> 01:02:17.639 he does onto a bunch of enhancement characters for the evening and celebrates with the 649 01:02:17.679 --> 01:02:28.199 crowd. So he gets his baby face fireback there. But we've really seen 650 01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:31.199 forward progress with page here, and I think Ah took a step forward as 651 01:02:31.239 --> 01:02:37.400 well. Um Unfortunately that that just doesn't seem to really ever go anywhere. 652 01:02:37.559 --> 01:02:40.440 Ladies, It's time to get those summer looks ready, and you can do 653 01:02:40.480 --> 01:02:45.880 it with XO Mandy Sue, an online clothing boutique designed for young women who 654 01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:51.400 love beachy fields and effortless style. Get your perfect summer look today at XO 655 01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:55.480 Mandy Sue dot com or guys direct your lady there, or pick out something 656 01:02:55.519 --> 01:03:00.679 ice war XO Mandy su dot com. And if you order for Exo Mandy 657 01:03:00.760 --> 01:03:06.079 Su, use the promo code Amanda P twenty for twenty percent off any purchase 658 01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:12.920 with no minimum. Again exomandysu dot com for the best in summer comfortable clothing 659 01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:17.079 for women Amanda P twenty for twenty percent off any purchase with no minimum. 660 01:03:17.239 --> 01:03:21.679 Want to hear the ad free version of this show and get it early. 661 01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:24.920 Become a paid for in today at Pagreon dot com Slash an hoarable pod. 662 01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:29.840 If you become a patron, you'll get early and add free access to the 663 01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:32.599 show with several tiers to choose from that started just a few bucks a month, 664 01:03:32.880 --> 01:03:38.119 and each tier comes with more bonus perks like bonus content, merch and 665 01:03:38.320 --> 01:03:43.719 so much more. Support the show at patreon dot com, slash an arble 666 01:03:43.760 --> 01:03:47.440 pod and get early ad free access and be worthy of an honorable mention. 667 01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:53.920 Up next is a match that I saw on the card and I just wait, 668 01:03:54.519 --> 01:04:02.400 huh, where are we here? Is this? It's Danny Duggan and 669 01:04:02.519 --> 01:04:13.719 the anarchist Eric Cannon. Danny Dugan, Dugan Dugan, same thing. Yeah, 670 01:04:13.880

--> 01:04:19.239 yeah, so there's apparently a British wrestler with the same name. According 671 01:04:19.280 --> 01:04:27.440 to mc axellum of Danny Dugan, I know we used him a couple of 672 01:04:27.480 --> 01:04:30.519 times in like two thousand and nine. I want to see two thousand nine 673 01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:36.840 ten. I do believe this is the only appearance of Eric Cannon since the 674 01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:42.760 Do or Die event, Yes, which is I don't know if there's a 675 01:04:42.880 --> 01:04:44.880 name after this off the top of my head, but yeah, this is 676 01:04:44.880 --> 01:04:50.679 the first time he's since Stewart I Food No. Two or three? No 677 01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:59.800 No. Four. I'm gonna go with four because duart I three. Duart 678 01:04:59.840 --> 01:05:12.599 I three was the one with completion Sei been j July Evo four. Yeah, 679 01:05:12.760 --> 01:05:15.400 So I mean, there's a slim chance it would have been that one, 680 01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:24.039 but I'm more inclined to say Door I four with Claudio and no, 681 01:05:24.159 --> 01:05:28.880 that's dort I five, that's five four. Door I four was um super 682 01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:40.239 Dragon b Boy ex Caliber and me, um, yeah, because I would 683 01:05:40.239 --> 01:05:47.920 have been the one with the third anniversary celebration, I believe m. Yeah. 684 01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:51.719 Yeah, so I'm I'm I'm leaning more towards that to do or die 685 01:05:54.119 --> 01:06:00.440 well, but he's he's uh, these two guys are here for all of 686 01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:09.119 five minutes in nineteen seconds, and I don't know, Um, I don't 687 01:06:09.119 --> 01:06:15.760 know if these two did local promotion here or maybe Eric Cannon, you know, 688 01:06:15.840 --> 01:06:21.360 he's the head of First Wrestling, maybe it was his ring. I 689 01:06:21.360 --> 01:06:27.320 don't know now because this is the ring that has though this is definitely in 690 01:06:27.519 --> 01:06:30.559 our wag ring. It's got the giant plastic caps that we put on top 691 01:06:30.599 --> 01:06:38.760 of the corner posts because of them being rough, like those are the old 692 01:06:38.760 --> 01:06:43.480 plastic caps that we shit probably started using in twenty ten or eleven or whatever 693 01:06:45.840 --> 01:06:49.079 that predated the overpriced Danny Davis ring that we got within at the beginning of 694 01:06:49.119 --> 01:06:56.320 Sinclair, the thirty dollar ring dude. Yeah, yes, so yeah, 695 01:06:56.400 --> 01:06:59.599 Danny Dugan did work. It was two shows in twenty and ten. Okay 696 01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:08.519 um I was Dark Sun Efficate Counter three in Fate of an Angel two hum 697 01:07:09.599 --> 01:07:14.639 as far as Cannon keep going, But I don't know's I found it very 698 01:07:14.920 --> 01:07:16.920 again. This is it's kind of like this is kind of like the four 699 01:07:17.039 --> 01:07:25.639 way and kind of like the the opening match where it's just why yeah, 700 01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:32.199 because it's not even a it's not a match that is given enough to really 701 01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:36.960 showcase either guy or if the intent was to get a look at anybody for 702 01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:42.480 future consideration, Like it's not there's not enough there, you know, it's 703 01:07:43.719 --> 01:07:45.719 for that. It's just kind of exactly that. It's like, well we 704 01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:51.000 here's a yeah door I four yep, the one at the second third anniversary 705 01:07:51.039 --> 01:07:57.760 celebration the Xbox who was Eddie was Fast Eddie Cannon, Generico and Josh Daniels 706 01:07:58.519 --> 01:08:00.079 Um and then Dannon. This is the the other match he ever had. 707 01:08:00.519 --> 01:08:02.880 Uh yeah, I just it's one of those I just don't get aside from 708 01:08:02.880 --> 01:08:11.760 that, literally we're in Minnesota, put Eric on the show because it it's 709 01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:24.000 so inconsequential. It's not it's not a match that features any there's no regular 710 01:08:24.159 --> 01:08:29.039 Roah talent on there where it's like, okay Cannon against If it was Cannon 711 01:08:29.119 --> 01:08:34.119 and Fish, that that would have made to me makes more sense because you're 712 01:08:34.119 --> 01:08:42.319 taking like the local name who has plenty of indie credibility. By twenty fifteen, 713 01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:45.000 I mean at this point, Cannon had been wrestling for twelve years, 714 01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:49.119 Uh, because I know he's I want to say he started before I did 715 01:08:49.159 --> 01:08:54.520 in two thousand and four, so two thousand and one, so you know 716 01:08:54.520 --> 01:08:59.000 he'd been wrestling for fourteen years at this point. Um, he's well established, 717 01:08:59.039 --> 01:09:03.199 well entrenched, aim to the fan base locally as well as you know 718 01:09:03.239 --> 01:09:06.880 that's actually going to spend any money buying ring about a product, whether BBOD 719 01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:11.920 or DVD or whatever. And then you have Fish, who's obviously well established 720 01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:15.359 in that same vein like he Fish had been wrestled just as long plus as 721 01:09:15.760 --> 01:09:18.239 he's an established ring abounor guy like that to me makes more sense as a 722 01:09:18.279 --> 01:09:24.239 match. Um, this just feels like here's two local guys were just throwing 723 01:09:24.279 --> 01:09:30.880 him on the show. M because it's not there's nothing in it. No, 724 01:09:31.239 --> 01:09:35.800 there's nothing here to sink your teeth into, Like Dugan had had gone 725 01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:43.119 to um some training camps that Ring of Baro would run at the office in 726 01:09:43.439 --> 01:09:49.960 Baltimore, and they were still in Bristol to Bristol. UM, so it 727 01:09:50.079 --> 01:09:54.680 kind of felt like, Okay, here's a reward for going to these camps 728 01:09:54.680 --> 01:09:57.479 and paying us Like

I said he had, he had. He had worked, 729 01:09:57.760 --> 01:09:59.960 you know, with a couple of darks in two thousand and ten as 730 01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:03.560 well, one in in Mississaugua that pick in Counter three, which I think 731 01:10:03.640 --> 01:10:11.000 was Mississauga, and then yeah, yeah, any ranch shows in Canada, 732 01:10:11.079 --> 01:10:14.439 and then he worked the Fate of an Angel two, which was a Chicago 733 01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:19.119 show, but um permit was it? I don't remember anymore. I think 734 01:10:19.159 --> 01:10:29.119 it was. But in regardless like it, it's just as very strange things 735 01:10:29.760 --> 01:10:33.199 to throw in the middle of the show. It feels to me more like, 736 01:10:33.800 --> 01:10:36.199 given what it was, the time it's given, it feels to me 737 01:10:36.319 --> 01:10:45.000 much more like here's a dark match, yeah yeah, like or come back 738 01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:53.279 from intermission popcorn style match. But um, I don't know. Eric Cannon 739 01:10:53.319 --> 01:10:57.039 gets to win in five minutes in nineteen seconds with his total anarchy move. 740 01:10:58.000 --> 01:11:04.479 Um, Dick, I just didn't do anything. And speaking of not doing 741 01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:12.119 anything, let's talk about a very nice lady, ODB. She's supposed to 742 01:11:12.119 --> 01:11:18.159 have a Woman of Honor match and instead of having her match, and she, 743 01:11:18.479 --> 01:11:21.239 by the way, in Ring of Honor, ODB is referred to as 744 01:11:21.359 --> 01:11:30.399 one dirty brisco So she's apparently a Briscoe family adjacent member because you know, 745 01:11:30.600 --> 01:11:38.520 the B word is not welcomed here. But she's cut off by Truth Martini 746 01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:45.159 and Truth talks trash about the Briscos. We know that the big feud of 747 01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:53.039 the time is Jay Lepol and Jay Briscoe, and Truth Martini decides that he 748 01:11:53.119 --> 01:12:01.000 wants to challenge ODB to a match, so they have a match, and 749 01:12:01.359 --> 01:12:05.720 there are no winners here. That includes us for having to watch this. 750 01:12:06.760 --> 01:12:15.359 And yeah, ODB does her deal where she drinks and slaps her chest and 751 01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:20.279 Jaylee full super kicks her and this is eight minutes of stupid. The Briscoe's 752 01:12:20.359 --> 01:12:27.680 run out but they can't touch the House of Truth per stipulations on commentary. 753 01:12:30.279 --> 01:12:41.600 Yeah, this was the thing that happened. Yeah, I didn't really get 754 01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:45.159 it from that standpoint. I mean, the live audience seemed to enjoy themselves, 755 01:12:50.119 --> 01:12:57.079 but it's way longer than it needed to be. About eight minutes long. 756 01:12:57.680 --> 01:13:00.079 Yeah, it's way longer than it needed to be. And I yeah, 757 01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:09.000 it just it's fine. It's just I think it's one of those things 758 01:13:09.000 --> 01:13:12.800 that it's good, it's entertaining for the house, for the people that were 759 01:13:12.840 --> 01:13:24.359 there alive, but did nothing for anything beyond that, Like, it doesn't 760 01:13:24.359 --> 01:13:28.119 it's it does when we talked about you know what, you know, you 761 01:13:28.199 --> 01:13:31.079 know, what's the business of the segment, Like we talked about, you 762 01:13:31.119 --> 01:13:33.720 know what, what each match, what it was doing for somebody or elevating 763 01:13:33.720 --> 01:13:36.920 their movement, Like this doesn't do anything for anything beyond just this moment, 764 01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:42.520 this night in front of this crowd. Um, it doesn't really do anything 765 01:13:42.560 --> 01:13:47.800 for the viewing audience to me, um watching this sun whatever format in our 766 01:13:47.840 --> 01:13:50.520 case, the vod the on our club stream, which just it's like, 767 01:13:51.319 --> 01:14:00.600 okay, that's fine. I kind of sat here as I was watching it 768 01:14:00.680 --> 01:14:09.119 and I just find all right, let's see maybe truth can make something out 769 01:14:09.199 --> 01:14:13.279 of this. And then he didn't, and I just said, all right, 770 01:14:13.439 --> 01:14:15.960 let's just wrap it up. And then it went for like another six 771 01:14:16.000 --> 01:14:21.880 minutes. And I don't know, not for me, not in the sports 772 01:14:23.079 --> 01:14:30.880 entertainment category, but what was next Definitely seemed like it was up my alley 773 01:14:30.920 --> 01:14:36.960 on paper, the last real man, Silas Young taking on Roderick Strong, 774 01:14:38.159 --> 01:14:45.800 mister roh. And again we are in a period of time where Silas Young 775 01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:54.479 is just existing in ring of honor and not doing anything for whatever ungodly reason. 776 01:14:55.199 --> 01:14:56.960 I mean, at this point, you get me, you could tell 777 01:14:57.000 --> 01:15:00.800 him commentary. He sounds like he's freshly returned and from injury and hurt. 778 01:15:01.680 --> 01:15:06.920 You know, he had a hamstring like poll or tear or something where he 779 01:15:06.920 --> 01:15:15.600 had to wrap up. But I mean, at this point, like the 780 01:15:15.760 --> 01:15:17.920 story is, you know, he's been out for months, so he's got 781 01:15:17.920 --> 01:15:23.239 to make up for his lost wages, you know, to support his family. 782 01:15:23.479 --> 01:15:29.319 But knowing where it led for his character to just associate with Beer City 783 01:15:29.359 --> 01:15:34.319 Bruiser as a tag team that went nowhere, I kind of just wlanted to 784 01:15:34.319 --> 01:15:41.920 watch this match for the wrestling of it, and it was a very well 785 01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:49.520 wrestled match. Um I I think I'm neglected to find anybody that is more 786 01:15:49.680 --> 01:16:00.479 fluid than Roderick Strong in the professional wrestling business at that speed. Like obviously, 787 01:16:00.520 -->

01:16:05.239 I think if we're really gonna compare apples, Brian Danielson is the overall 788 01:16:05.319 --> 01:16:15.079 better wrestler. But Roddy is like dead set number two in terms like look 789 01:16:15.119 --> 01:16:21.279 at how fast he moves and it just seems effortless. Yeah, now, 790 01:16:21.239 --> 01:16:30.760 I mean he's a car absolute cardio monster. Roddy is always that. Yeah, 791 01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:36.479 he developed into an absolute cardio monster to make anybody would be hard pressed 792 01:16:36.479 --> 01:16:40.239 to keep that keep his pace. That was one of the things that I 793 01:16:40.239 --> 01:16:45.079 always made him and Davy such an interesting thing because it was just two cardio 794 01:16:45.199 --> 01:16:48.119 monsters going out there and trying to see who could blow the other one hump. 795 01:16:48.159 --> 01:16:56.720 It felt like I do I do like this match for one other particular 796 01:16:56.800 --> 01:17:02.680 reason. Um, the contrast in person ladies, Silas is the typical like 797 01:17:02.840 --> 01:17:10.039 old school bad guy, right, Roddy is the old school good guy, 798 01:17:10.359 --> 01:17:18.920 smiling, clapping, does cool moves, and uh, I think it's interesting, 799 01:17:19.039 --> 01:17:26.039 like you know, there there is something here with these two. And 800 01:17:26.039 --> 01:17:30.520 then I don't think they ever touched again, so naturally they think at this 801 01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:36.000 point too. I mean, Roddy, it feels like, guys, I'm 802 01:17:36.000 --> 01:17:41.880 watching this, it just it is just about the matches he has, because 803 01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:46.319 it doesn't feel like he does anything that there's no He's just kind of here 804 01:17:46.399 --> 01:17:51.319 until he's not, is what it seems like. Uh, the decade, 805 01:17:51.359 --> 01:17:56.720 his his part with the decade is over? Um is there any does he 806 01:17:56.760 --> 01:18:00.720 even really really up the up with the decade? Just kind of like yep, 807 01:18:00.840 --> 01:18:02.960 he's off and does his own thing, and there's no like BJ and 808 01:18:03.079 --> 01:18:08.479 Roddy have some big blow off match, or they may have had like one 809 01:18:08.600 --> 01:18:12.119 one on one back, but I don't think it was. I would be 810 01:18:12.159 --> 01:18:18.119 hard pressed to recall specifically what that was, whether it was like a street 811 01:18:18.159 --> 01:18:24.880 fight or a no DQ or a fight without an honor whatever label we want 812 01:18:24.880 --> 01:18:31.359 to abandon logic and rules for. But I just I don't know. I'm 813 01:18:31.439 --> 01:18:35.119 watching Roddy here and it does kind of feel like at times he is going 814 01:18:35.159 --> 01:18:41.159 through the motions because he's just waiting on that NXT contract to come his way 815 01:18:41.239 --> 01:18:50.079 and be done with this. I remember a talk with him. It would 816 01:18:50.079 --> 01:18:55.119 have been almost a year later. It wasn't like early twenty sixteen, because 817 01:18:55.119 --> 01:19:00.640 it was cold out, and he was like pretty adamant that he was just 818 01:19:00.680 --> 01:19:09.960 gonna be here forever and just kind of continue until he can't, and he 819 01:19:10.039 --> 01:19:15.720 seemed almost oppressed about it. And then he went on this streak of matches 820 01:19:17.000 --> 01:19:23.439 in early twenty sixteen, and I was like, damn he he got his 821 01:19:23.520 --> 01:19:30.239 mojo back. And then the NXC thing came, I want to say, 822 01:19:30.000 --> 01:19:42.680 like in May or June twenty sixteen, and off he went. So he 823 01:19:42.760 --> 01:19:47.119 was just there. He'd be in like four Corner matches and you know, 824 01:19:48.479 --> 01:19:57.079 proving ground four Corner survivals, and he was he was he at that point. 825 01:19:57.079 --> 01:20:00.880 I mean, he was a staple, you know, I mean here. 826 01:20:00.119 --> 01:20:04.159 Yeah, and this is April. They're still sick. He's still got 827 01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:09.680 fourteen months left of the company. That's a long time to just kind of 828 01:20:11.359 --> 01:20:15.960 but like they never bothered to put him in a real story like the last 829 01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:19.560 two years that he was there. Yeah, I think, I know, 830 01:20:19.840 --> 01:20:25.319 I know, I know. He runs back with the TV title, so 831 01:20:25.359 --> 01:20:31.880 he's yeah, him and Bobby and yeah, that's one of those weird, 832 01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:35.760 like you look at their title history moments as well, because Roddy actually defends 833 01:20:35.760 --> 01:20:43.279 the TV title, has a tighter defense that airs after he last against Gresham. 834 01:20:43.319 --> 01:20:48.199 Actually he defends it against Gresham after the belt is already I wonder if 835 01:20:48.239 --> 01:20:55.239 that was the one that was in No, it was just Inshall. The 836 01:20:55.319 --> 01:21:00.199 matches in Nashville, Gresham in delirious. I think was the one that I 837 01:21:00.199 --> 01:21:05.000 remember going like eighteen minutes and me just sitting there going, oh my god, 838 01:21:05.079 --> 01:21:10.239 this maybe the worst match I've ever seen in Ring of Honor history. 839 01:21:11.239 --> 01:21:14.680 And now, like Jonathan Gresham is one of my favorite wrestlers to watch, 840 01:21:15.000 --> 01:21:18.640 so I don't know what to do. Yeah, now you were so you're 841 01:21:18.640 --> 01:21:23.119 actually a right dude, because the Knackamor match was right after this. We 842 01:21:23.119 --> 01:21:26.439 were talking when you mentioned that it was the it was the it was from 843 01:21:26.439 --> 01:21:30.760 this TV this set of TV of New Japan shows. Um. But yeah, 844 01:21:30.880 --> 01:21:32.039 yeah, even like looking over the history, it's like there's a lot 845 01:21:32.039 --> 01:21:39.800 of matches, but it doesn't seem like there's anything. It's just it's there's 846 01:21:39.840 -->

01:21:42.880 nothing to sink your teeth into. Like he's a TV champ, but it 847 01:21:42.880 --> 01:21:45.079 doesn't look like there's any overarching story of his TV title ron. It's just 848 01:21:45.119 --> 01:21:49.079 he's the champion again. You know. It's lots of really cool sounding matches, 849 01:21:49.159 --> 01:21:53.439 you know, him and lethal'll do world title match he's got with the 850 01:21:53.439 --> 01:21:57.920 TV title Ron, he wrestles with that Okata match. You know, he's 851 01:21:59.520 --> 01:22:04.319 but it all just seems like they're just your stuff to do. It's not 852 01:22:04.359 --> 01:22:09.680 so you're under contract, you're on these shows, have a Yeah, he 853 01:22:09.800 --> 01:22:15.159 wrestles Evil pre pre Evil Evil. I just see. But for this match, 854 01:22:15.359 --> 01:22:19.640 he was what is his title run? He wrestles Stevie Richards, Massada 855 01:22:19.720 --> 01:22:24.960 and Curry Man while he's the TV champion. Yeah, he was doing like 856 01:22:25.079 --> 01:22:30.239 Open Challenge and TV title TV Title Open Challenge. Is there a Dalton Castle 857 01:22:30.359 --> 01:22:39.560 match in there somewhere too? Umber Walker wressels Sampson Walker. Of if this 858 01:22:39.640 --> 01:22:45.000 is the same I poop on people, Sampson Walker. There's a four corner 859 01:22:45.000 --> 01:22:47.159 with Dalton, but there's not like a singles match during his title run. 860 01:22:47.560 --> 01:22:51.439 But maybe and maybe it wasn't during the title running, it was after an 861 01:22:51.520 --> 01:22:56.720 Then there's this weird convoluted every title is on the line cluster fuck from Winter 862 01:22:56.800 --> 01:23:02.960 Warriors twenty sixteen. Uh, you wrestled Doe Rio on that Winter Warriors or 863 01:23:03.000 --> 01:23:08.640 maybe it was the year now that's not this one, um, But to 864 01:23:08.760 --> 01:23:13.159 rewind it back to this match instead of the all the other good stuff, 865 01:23:13.239 --> 01:23:15.039 Robert said, Yeah, it all looks like very good stuff. It just 866 01:23:15.079 --> 01:23:19.359 doesn't on Hateer, which doesn't necessarily get the context. It doesn't look like 867 01:23:19.399 --> 01:23:24.920 there's a thread of a program with anybody, a story with anybody. It 868 01:23:25.000 --> 01:23:31.479 just here's Roddy doing Roddy stuff against everybody. Here's here's a fun question. 869 01:23:31.600 --> 01:23:34.680 I know we said we're gonna get back to this specific match, but do 870 01:23:34.720 --> 01:23:53.479 you think Joe Cooff knew the identity of Curry Man? Probably not. I 871 01:23:53.560 --> 01:24:00.239 didn't think so. Probably not. Well, definitely not beforehand, and we 872 01:24:00.279 --> 01:24:06.680 still didn't as it was happening. So in this match, particularly, like 873 01:24:08.199 --> 01:24:14.920 there's some really great, just hard hitting Ring of Honor style wrestling, and 874 01:24:15.359 --> 01:24:23.720 I just think Silas Young is the biggest swinging miss from Delirious. As a 875 01:24:23.760 --> 01:24:30.960 booker, you had something here. You had a unique, like miserable, 876 01:24:31.039 --> 01:24:41.439 grumpy old man character that wasn't an old guy that got people to boo him, 877 01:24:41.479 --> 01:24:44.880 and then you'd slide him up and then you'd slide him down the card, 878 01:24:44.960 --> 01:24:47.640 You slide him back up, slide him back down, and nobody cared. 879 01:24:51.359 --> 01:25:00.840 Yeah, it seems from what we've watched, a career of it kind 880 01:25:00.880 --> 01:25:06.399 of meandering. It sucks it like it really upsets me because I thought he 881 01:25:08.239 --> 01:25:17.039 was somebody that could have been a world champion. And I don't know, 882 01:25:17.399 --> 01:25:26.520 maybe it's just me and I'm kind of on an island to myself. But 883 01:25:26.600 --> 01:25:33.840 he was. He had such a great, legitimate, believable character that didn't 884 01:25:33.920 --> 01:25:41.079 feel like he had to put effort into being this character. It was just 885 01:25:41.279 --> 01:25:45.399 Silas with the volume turned up or whatever his real name is, with the 886 01:25:45.479 --> 01:25:51.319 volume turned up. So it was authentic to him, and he and Roddy 887 01:25:51.359 --> 01:25:56.800 went out here and had a great, great match, very enjoyable. You 888 01:25:56.840 --> 01:26:04.479 see Silence's athleticism. Silence would go for a lariat, uh, Roddy ducks 889 01:26:04.600 --> 01:26:10.119 springboard lariat instead. The PG war a plunge gets turned into a I think 890 01:26:10.119 --> 01:26:15.800 it's the first time you've ever pronounced it properly wire up. I think, 891 01:26:15.880 --> 01:26:21.720 at least how I think it's pronounced. I've I've practiced, uh, you 892 01:26:21.800 --> 01:26:28.239 know, like the Simpsons open where Bart is rewriting the same phrase over and 893 01:26:28.279 --> 01:26:31.199 over. I have on PG war a plunge, pg war a plunge par 894 01:26:31.239 --> 01:26:39.239 a plunge because I do want to pay respect to Silas super talented guy. 895 01:26:39.800 --> 01:26:44.000 Um. The stronghold is locked on, Silas gets out with a knee strike. 896 01:26:45.039 --> 01:26:49.279 Um. Then he tries to plunge again. Roddy just kind of swats 897 01:26:49.319 --> 01:26:55.920 at him and they do a dive to the floor, a big kick out 898 01:26:55.920 --> 01:26:59.880 on the floor. Silas Young comes back in with the ring bell and he 899 01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:04.039 hammers Roddy in the stomach with the ring bell. Who for whatever reason, 900 01:27:04.119 --> 01:27:10.840 maybe he it's his super powerful his abs. He ignores it and he just 901 01:27:10.920 --> 01:27:14.800 hits the sick kick for a win. Yeah. Yeah, it's like Sting 902 01:27:14.840 --> 01:27:19.039 getting hit with a chair on the back. Yes, nope, that was. 903 01:27:19.359 --> 01:27:24.319 That may have been my favorite all time Sting moment was when he's in 904 01:27:24.399 -->

01:27:29.399 the balcony and I think Mark Quinn hits him with a chair and Sting just 905 01:27:29.520 --> 01:27:34.079 goes Yeah, it goes back the balcony dive. God bless that man. 906 01:27:34.560 --> 01:27:41.800 He is a hero. Um. But like, this is an undercard match 907 01:27:41.960 --> 01:27:45.199 on a show, and it delivered. It got seventeen minutes nineteen seconds. 908 01:27:45.439 --> 01:27:50.840 Yea. It had action, it had good selling, It had unique you 909 01:27:50.880 --> 01:28:00.560 know transitions, no real like storyline implications, but it was enough to hold 910 01:28:00.640 --> 01:28:03.439 my attention and I really enjoyed it. I thought, this is a good 911 01:28:03.439 --> 01:28:10.039 combo of wrestlers and I would have liked to have seen more. Yeah, 912 01:28:10.079 --> 01:28:15.279 it was I very much. I enjoyed the match as well. Yeah, 913 01:28:15.319 --> 01:28:19.640 it's solid salid yea Silence was off. I didn't realize and I just looked 914 01:28:19.640 --> 01:28:24.479 he was off for almost a year. So it's like almost a year without 915 01:28:24.479 --> 01:28:26.720 a Ring of Honor match, and it's like up here now, yeah, 916 01:28:26.800 --> 01:28:31.000 go Grossel Roddy, now have fun, have fun. But it's to speak 917 01:28:31.039 --> 01:28:34.159 to what you were talking about beforehand with the missed opportunity. So just again 918 01:28:34.239 --> 01:28:39.119 on paper, you look at it and it's silas seemed to be kind of 919 01:28:39.199 --> 01:28:43.439 in that world title mix before he got hurt. Like you look at it, 920 01:28:43.439 --> 01:28:47.199 it's a lot of a title match or approving around match or a four 921 01:28:47.279 --> 01:28:53.439 corner you know, number one contender match, and then post injury, it's 922 01:28:53.439 --> 01:29:00.680 just like you're stuff. You know, it's not not the same. It 923 01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:03.079 feels like he kind of when he came back, it was not into a 924 01:29:03.199 --> 01:29:09.079 similar not into the same spot on the car. But also I guess the 925 01:29:09.159 --> 01:29:12.399 landscape at that point too, when he came back in twenty fifteen a change, 926 01:29:12.439 --> 01:29:17.680 because now it's here's Jay Luther is a made man, here's the you 927 01:29:17.720 --> 01:29:21.319 know, the influx of the new Japan talent, here's you know, I 928 01:29:21.960 --> 01:29:26.319 noticeably absent from this show, but part of the company, any the the 929 01:29:26.439 --> 01:29:30.279 Bullet Club Elite, uh stuff is not on this show, but there are 930 01:29:30.520 --> 01:29:33.439 you know, a presence at this point. So I guess, yes, 931 01:29:33.560 --> 01:29:36.399 I just came back from the injury to a bit of a different world as 932 01:29:36.439 --> 01:29:43.720 well. It's interesting because I've always thought about this. I've never really asked 933 01:29:43.760 --> 01:29:49.119 anybody that has had the booking position before, But when somebody gets hurt and 934 01:29:49.119 --> 01:29:54.760 they come back, I almost wonder if, like the injury is a loss 935 01:29:54.800 --> 01:30:01.199 of faith in that performer, or if it's all right, well we moved 936 01:30:01.239 --> 01:30:05.560 on without you and we're doing better, so maybe you weren't worth the investment. 937 01:30:05.920 --> 01:30:10.079 I don't know, it's a reasonable question. I mean, if I 938 01:30:11.279 --> 01:30:15.079 it's got to be different every situation, yeah, yeah, I mean I 939 01:30:15.119 --> 01:30:18.359 would imagine if it's perpetual injuries, there could be some idea that, you 940 01:30:18.399 --> 01:30:21.720 know, if it's just boom, you know, keeps happening, that's one 941 01:30:21.800 --> 01:30:27.520 thing. But a company does have to move on, you know. We 942 01:30:27.600 --> 01:30:33.600 can't just leave a spot open for whenever person comes back. Necessarily. I 943 01:30:33.640 --> 01:30:40.920 mean some people, yes, if they're a made made person, yeah, 944 01:30:41.279 --> 01:30:49.119 yeah, But I don't think I don't get the impression from how you've talked 945 01:30:49.119 --> 01:30:53.880 about it in the shows we have watched and looking at the just the numbers 946 01:30:53.920 --> 01:31:00.800 of it. He was that Silas was, Um, he's not established, 947 01:31:01.000 --> 01:31:06.039 he's there now, he's there. Was Hunter was using him in the peripheries 948 01:31:06.119 --> 01:31:10.880 of that world title picture as someone who it seems like could at least be 949 01:31:10.880 --> 01:31:15.359 slotted in there and used believably and acceptably. But he's not cemented as a 950 01:31:15.479 --> 01:31:21.920 top guy. So right, Yeah, there was room for him to grow 951 01:31:21.960 --> 01:31:28.119 into that. I think that injury really sidelined and and sidetracked him, and 952 01:31:28.119 --> 01:31:31.880 it stuck with him for the rest of his ROH run. It seems very 953 01:31:32.000 --> 01:31:40.239 very inconsistent. But he is not the only person of all victim, so 954 01:31:40.520 --> 01:31:47.479 he's not on an island by himself. That It's just comes with the booking 955 01:31:47.479 --> 01:31:53.359 of Hunter Johnson unfortunately. Um. But good match, fun fun stuff here 956 01:31:54.000 --> 01:31:58.800 um. And speaking of fun stuff, um, what comes next is a 957 01:31:58.880 --> 01:32:01.560 tag team match? Is the first tag team match we have had all night? 958 01:32:03.640 --> 01:32:08.800 Yes, with all the talent that has been on this show already, 959 01:32:08.920 --> 01:32:13.239 Yes, first tag match of that night. Yeah, just throw throwing that 960 01:32:13.279 --> 01:32:18.439 out there. Interesting Now, the one thing I wanted to talk about before 961 01:32:18.479 --> 01:32:23.399 we talk about war Machine of Hanson and Rowe taking on the Briscoe brothers of 962 01:32:23.479 --> 01:32:30.399 Jay and Mark is back in the uh well upcoming in the summer months, 963 01:32:33.039 --> 01:32:41.600 you had kind of the

beginnings of Shane Taylor and Keith Lee coming in as 964 01:32:41.640 --> 01:32:49.119 a tag team. So those two guys h P P BK. I believe 965 01:32:49.239 --> 01:32:53.960 was there Pretty boy Killers? I think? Yeah? So we like the 966 01:32:54.039 --> 01:32:58.439 one show that I've watched with you that they were on, Yeah, I 967 01:32:58.520 --> 01:33:04.199 think that was their team name, war Machine, the Briscoes. Like the 968 01:33:04.439 --> 01:33:11.960 three of those teams regularly having matches with each other just sounds like the greatest 969 01:33:12.000 --> 01:33:19.039 thing ever to me. Like just big meaty strong men slapping meat, going 970 01:33:19.119 --> 01:33:21.800 to town on one another, just beat the crap out of each other, 971 01:33:23.119 --> 01:33:30.760 dropping people on their heads. You know, everybody's completely unique. There's no 972 01:33:30.760 --> 01:33:36.399 no faction, association, no managers. It's just violence for the sake of 973 01:33:36.479 --> 01:33:44.520 violence. You could have signed me up for it. But Keith Lee goes 974 01:33:44.560 --> 01:33:47.119 off to evolve, Shane Taylor kind of floats around here for a little while 975 01:33:48.359 --> 01:33:55.279 on his own and then forms the Rebellion, which had tons of potential and 976 01:33:55.319 --> 01:34:00.439 then ever won anywhere thanks to the booking. But this tag team match, 977 01:34:00.560 --> 01:34:09.960 right, I fucking love it. Yes, I just I don't know. 978 01:34:10.159 --> 01:34:20.199 There's something about the tag matches where there's this element of hate between the two 979 01:34:20.239 --> 01:34:27.279 sides that they just go after it. Now Ray Row was hurt in a 980 01:34:27.399 --> 01:34:34.399 motorcycle wreck. Pretty dangerous. Highly recommend the Railroad documentary that I believe was 981 01:34:34.439 --> 01:34:40.000 for sale from Ring of Honor for a little while. I don't know where 982 01:34:40.039 --> 01:34:44.319 you get it now I do not have it, so sorry Patreon members. 983 01:34:45.199 --> 01:34:51.279 But these these teams had a pretty good rivalry before that, and Row is 984 01:34:51.359 --> 01:35:00.159 back, war Machine is back reunited, and these guys have a really strong, 985 01:35:00.399 --> 01:35:06.640 like fifteen minute brawl that I would say the last six minutes of is 986 01:35:06.720 --> 01:35:19.680 just top notch stuff. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I haven't scenes. 987 01:35:19.760 --> 01:35:23.119 I was looking up to try and find an answer to your question. 988 01:35:23.159 --> 01:35:27.560 All I found was the UM go the crowdfunding the go fund me or whatever 989 01:35:27.600 --> 01:35:33.840 for the documentary. UM, it's kind of black, a black DVD cover 990 01:35:34.000 --> 01:35:44.039 with like raised bald head based on the screen. I remember that. I 991 01:35:44.079 --> 01:35:47.520 don't I've never seen it. Um there's a trailer. There's a trailer for 992 01:35:47.560 --> 01:35:50.800 it. But you know this,

the go fund me did not hit its 993 01:35:50.840 --> 01:35:56.319 goal, so I don't know. What that means, Uh, DVDs are, 994 01:35:56.680 --> 01:36:00.039 DVDs are in September of twenty and ten of just said DVDs are in 995 01:36:00.399 --> 01:36:05.720 September tenth of twenty fifteen. Okay, so maybe this is a different injury. 996 01:36:06.399 --> 01:36:09.520 Now, this is it? This is Oh where did you get? 997 01:36:09.680 --> 01:36:15.119 Oh, September tenth, September September tenth of twenty fifteen. That was the 998 01:36:15.439 --> 01:36:18.640 update that said DVDs are in So at some point of ships you have to 999 01:36:18.880 --> 01:36:23.960 I don't ask, but I might. Yeah, it's it's it's it's it's 1000 01:36:23.960 --> 01:36:26.880 the Briscos in a tag team match. That's a fight, you know, 1001 01:36:27.239 --> 01:36:30.439 this is this is this is the wheelhouse the brisco is that it's against two 1002 01:36:30.439 --> 01:36:35.880 guys who can just go right with them. Uh, it's it is an 1003 01:36:36.199 --> 01:36:44.760 highly entertaining like fight and it's it's uh yeah, that's the best way I 1004 01:36:44.760 --> 01:36:46.760 can describe with that. It's just such a highly entertaining fight that feels like 1005 01:36:48.319 --> 01:36:51.600 that feels like a fight between four guys who do not like each other. 1006 01:36:55.039 --> 01:37:00.279 Yeah. The other kind of interesting element here of this match in a to 1007 01:37:00.520 --> 01:37:05.960 PBK like Killer Elite Squad was coming in, so you know that's another big 1008 01:37:06.000 --> 01:37:11.960 hoss tag Team that it could have been a part of this and you could 1009 01:37:12.000 --> 01:37:17.000 have literally done like you know, maybe five or six throwing gallows and Anderson 1010 01:37:17.199 --> 01:37:25.399 in there and like these hard hitting, big boy you know, non flip 1011 01:37:25.399 --> 01:37:30.119 and flop high flying tag matches, and then you have your high flying tag 1012 01:37:30.159 --> 01:37:32.760 matches on the show with the Bucks and Kyle O'Riley and Bobby Fish and the 1013 01:37:32.760 --> 01:37:43.119 machine guns and I mean just a gluttony of variety. Yeah, yeah, 1014 01:37:43.159 --> 01:37:47.279 like that's amazing to me. Yeah. And then yeah, these besides Killer 1015 01:37:47.279 --> 01:37:51.920 Elite Squad are dipping in with any of the teams who are you know it's 1016 01:37:53.159 --> 01:38:00.680 coming over for for New Japan those shows? Yeah, yeah, who would 1017 01:38:00.680 --> 01:38:05.239 have lots of lots of fun to be had here. And there's a lot 1018 01:38:05.279 --> 01:38:11.720 of fun within this the confines of this match because Mark brisco is not haha, 1019 01:38:11.920 --> 01:38:15.520 Mark Briscoe here, He's serious, Mark brisco Yeah, M and Hanson 1020 01:38:15.640 --> 01:38:24.159 have this really awesome exchange at the start of the match. Um, and 1021 01:38:24.159 --> 01:38:29.479 and Mark's bumping around. Jay hasn't even gotten into the ring, you know, 1022 01:38:29.520 --> 01:38:34.760 maybe at the halfway ish point of the match. Um no, maybe 1023 01:38:34.760 --> 01:38:39.560 not quite that, but like five minute mark, six minute mark, somewhere 1024 01:38:39.600 --> 01:38:45.800 in there, and uh, this is a lot of fun, Like they're 1025 01:38:45.880 --> 01:38:53.000 they're working on Roe's neck once Jay finally does come into the ring, and 1026 01:38:53.279 --> 01:38:59.279 uh playing off his real life injuries, which is great. Um, they've 1027 01:38:59.319 --> 01:39:04.159 isolated him and he's you know, still fresh back from injury, so why 1028 01:39:04.199 --> 01:39:09.199 not isolate and attack him before the big man can come in and learn? 1029 01:39:09.319 --> 01:39:16.239 Wild and Hansen? Um did do the uh the cactus closeline spot from Hansen? 1030 01:39:16.319 --> 01:39:24.680 Did Jay Briscoe back body drop over the turnbuckles from Ray Road and Mark 1031 01:39:24.720 --> 01:39:31.800 Brisco Just some some small little highlights there. Um. I think war Machine 1032 01:39:33.239 --> 01:39:41.359 is going to be unfortunately forgotten about in the landscape of tag team wrestling. 1033 01:39:42.920 --> 01:39:46.239 In Ring of Honor, you know, everybody goes Brisco's Kings of Wrestling, 1034 01:39:46.279 --> 01:40:00.000 machine Guns, Red Dragon, Wolves, Bucks, bad bad influence really yeah, 1035 01:40:00.079 --> 01:40:02.560 Daniels and Kazarian, Yeah, I would say, you know whatever, 1036 01:40:02.600 --> 01:40:10.359 the addiction, I'm sorry that influence was na Yes, the addiction, you 1037 01:40:10.399 --> 01:40:14.880 know, Steen and Generico. But I think war Machine has like a really 1038 01:40:15.000 --> 01:40:23.039 underrated run. And I think the story of Hansen going from like being handsome 1039 01:40:23.119 --> 01:40:28.359 Johnny to you know, doing the dark matches and then the back surgeries and 1040 01:40:28.399 --> 01:40:32.800 then coming back and finding this this groove through the Top Prospect tournament to be 1041 01:40:32.840 --> 01:40:39.520 a tag team. This story is amazing there that they just don't have this 1042 01:40:39.640 --> 01:40:44.039 long significant run before w B comes in and says, well, thank you. 1043 01:40:45.439 --> 01:40:51.119 I mean they put in a good amount of work compared to some others. 1044 01:40:51.159 --> 01:40:56.640 I mean they have. I think they put it a good amount of 1045 01:40:56.640 --> 01:41:00.560 work, good couple of years of work that they isn't maybe three years yeah, 1046 01:41:00.640 --> 01:41:09.079 yeah, something like that. Yeah, um, twenty fourteen, Yeah, 1047 01:41:09.359 --> 01:41:12.199 three years, two more, three years, yeah, twenty fourteen, 1048 01:41:12.239 --> 01:41:15.439 and they have three and a half years of of of working there. I 1049 01:41:15.439 --> 01:41:20.640 mean that's they're a tag team longer than the Wolves were. They're tag team 1050 01:41:20.680 --> 01:41:27.119

longer than than the Kings were in Ring of Honor, you know, and 1051 01:41:27.279 --> 01:41:35.600 they've got a pretty damn impressive resume of matches and opponents. And I think 1052 01:41:35.600 --> 01:41:42.119 that just it goes into that we've mentioned it before, and we've talked about 1053 01:41:42.119 --> 01:41:46.319 it increasingly with these last several shows we've done that were of the era that 1054 01:41:46.479 --> 01:41:50.600 it gets lumped a lot into that the only thing going on was New Japan 1055 01:41:51.279 --> 01:41:57.520 and you know, Bullet Club Elite BTU related stuff, yep. Like that. 1056 01:41:57.600 --> 01:42:06.600 They kind of get lost in that because man, they they even in 1057 01:42:06.720 --> 01:42:13.119 the will use your favorite word, the lexicon of Ringing of Honor tag teams, 1058 01:42:14.720 --> 01:42:18.399 they're different than anything in the Yeah, at this twenty fifteen, So 1059 01:42:18.439 --> 01:42:25.199 at this point, thirteen years of the company's existence, I can't think of 1060 01:42:25.319 --> 01:42:30.720 any other tag team that really was remotely similar to them, that had any 1061 01:42:32.079 --> 01:42:39.520 really any kind of staying power or long term usage in the company, can 1062 01:42:39.600 --> 01:42:45.800 you No? But I got two big bruisers as a tag team, the 1063 01:42:45.000 --> 01:42:49.600 Ring of Honor. The only thing stylistically I would compare to them is the 1064 01:42:49.680 --> 01:42:55.520 Hit Squad, and they were so drastically different. Yeah, completely different. 1065 01:42:55.680 --> 01:43:00.439 It's just it's the hard hitting physical element that I look at and say, 1066 01:43:00.520 --> 01:43:04.000 Okay, that might be somewhat on the same plane, yeah, but it's 1067 01:43:04.239 --> 01:43:11.319 so visually different there there. It's such a unique entity for Ring of Honor 1068 01:43:11.399 --> 01:43:15.600 that, yeah, that that they could use. But yeah, they're I 1069 01:43:15.640 --> 01:43:20.079 think in the in the the big the big picture. You know, they 1070 01:43:20.119 --> 01:43:26.760 do get overshadowed by those names that you mentioned, in part because of the 1071 01:43:26.800 --> 01:43:32.600 era in which they made their biggest impact on the company. I h I 1072 01:43:32.720 --> 01:43:39.239 really like both guys as far as in ring talent goes this this story with 1073 01:43:39.319 --> 01:43:43.199 the Briscoes, and they had a really good one with the Young Bucks in 1074 01:43:43.399 --> 01:43:49.880 Columbus. H and that horrible concert venue I couldn't take stage stage something. 1075 01:43:49.880 --> 01:43:57.279 See those Yeah it's the same place that owns the Pittsburgh venue too. Yeah 1076 01:43:57.279 --> 01:44:00.439 it's stage as the one in Pittsburgh. Yeah. Yeah, so this would 1077 01:44:00.439 --> 01:44:05.079 have been Express Live, Express Live, Okay, but these guys they go 1078 01:44:05.199 --> 01:44:11.960 fourteen twenty four and it was

just action after action after action here, especially 1079 01:44:12.000 --> 01:44:16.560 in that home stretch the war Machine they do the double choke slam on Jay. 1080 01:44:17.079 --> 01:44:20.159 Mark dives off the mat to break it up. He gets power bombed 1081 01:44:20.159 --> 01:44:27.720 on his head. The war Machine goes for the fallout, that doesn't happen, 1082 01:44:27.800 --> 01:44:30.600 that gets cut off doomsday device on ray Row. He goes out of 1083 01:44:30.600 --> 01:44:34.760 the ring. So Mark just decides, I don't care about my body. 1084 01:44:34.760 --> 01:44:42.960 I'm gonna go hit a Blockbuster to the floor and Hansen gets hit with the 1085 01:44:43.199 --> 01:44:49.600 Jay driller and he kicks out big pop. I mean and not like a 1086 01:44:50.159 --> 01:44:58.640 oh, like a ah, because it was a such a protected rare thing. 1087 01:45:00.079 --> 01:45:02.199 The pop in my house as I was watching it was very similar to 1088 01:45:02.239 --> 01:45:11.039 the pop in the uh whatever President Expo Center that we're in. Eisenhower. 1089 01:45:12.119 --> 01:45:17.399 Uh, there's nobody Eisenhower. Yeah yeah, this building, yes, yes, 1090 01:45:17.840 --> 01:45:24.399 yes, but yeah what can you can you ten times? Oh yeah? 1091 01:45:24.239 --> 01:45:29.520 In in twenty years of the Ring of honor, eighteen years at the 1092 01:45:29.560 --> 01:45:31.880 Briscoes, you know, minus their their their year and a half hiatus, 1093 01:45:31.960 --> 01:45:38.600 like eighteen years of Jay Jiller's and it's been kicked out of probably less than 1094 01:45:38.600 --> 01:45:42.319 ten times. Yeah, it's it's pretty amazing. And the fact that they 1095 01:45:42.319 --> 01:45:49.000 would give this honor to Hansen tells you what the Briscos felt about working with 1096 01:45:49.119 --> 01:45:57.560 war Machine. It was is one of the rarities in progressing of a protected 1097 01:45:57.600 --> 01:46:02.800 move and it's it always felt like got um. So yeah, I was 1098 01:46:02.840 --> 01:46:06.880 sure as hell shocked. Yeah, it was a great spot. But then 1099 01:46:08.000 --> 01:46:13.039 Jay hits it again and that's all she wrote. So and nobody's survived too. 1100 01:46:14.039 --> 01:46:18.520 It's just not possible. This was just so much fun, the near 1101 01:46:18.600 --> 01:46:27.199 fall with the Jay Driller at the end, great falsey, Like there is 1102 01:46:28.520 --> 01:46:35.479 this chemistry between these two teams that it's different than the chemistry the Briscos had 1103 01:46:35.560 --> 01:46:43.800 with the Kings, or the Briscos had with the Bucks or you know, 1104 01:46:43.880 --> 01:46:49.319 any of their rivals, the Wolves, whoever over the years. It's it's 1105 01:46:49.319 --> 01:46:56.199 a different match. It's my kind of wrestling match. It felt like a 1106 01:46:56.439 --> 01:47:02.720 very big you know, all japan heavyweights like that. Yeah, I give 1107 01:47:02.760 --> 01:47:08.000 it. It's another one. You know, it's you

said, it's basically 1108 01:47:08.199 --> 01:47:15.119 the second aside from the Why Why Yeah why wrestling with the you know, 1109 01:47:15.239 --> 01:47:20.359 logical usage of the cannon match there, like since the Page match, you 1110 01:47:20.399 --> 01:47:27.399 know, this card has just been hitting pretty pretty solidly, and this as 1111 01:47:27.439 --> 01:47:32.319 the lone tag match on the entire show. Like fuck, damn good, 1112 01:47:32.760 --> 01:47:38.840 damn good. Great match, all four guys shake hands and hug as they 1113 01:47:39.000 --> 01:47:43.720 are going to be uniting in tag team form, eight man tag team form, 1114 01:47:43.720 --> 01:47:45.880 I should say ten I just looked at the match because I was like, 1115 01:47:45.960 --> 01:47:49.720 what's the match. It's ten man because it's Roddy, the Briscoes and 1116 01:47:49.840 --> 01:47:57.920 war Machine Gene against A J. Gallows Anderson and the Bucks. Oh that 1117 01:47:58.039 --> 01:48:02.560 was the New York tag. That's a hell of a ten man tag too. 1118 01:48:02.680 --> 01:48:08.359 Yeah, Like wow, that's one we should watch at some point because 1119 01:48:08.399 --> 01:48:11.039 I think you'd like that show. All right, let me see what else 1120 01:48:11.119 --> 01:48:15.520 is on the show from the Ted Reeve that was a ted Reeve. I 1121 01:48:15.560 --> 01:48:19.159 was thinking this was New York, Tedderieve. Globe War is twenty fifteen. 1122 01:48:19.279 --> 01:48:25.840 We've got Gato and Moose against Silas Young and Takaki one Want, Tanabe, 1123 01:48:26.640 --> 01:48:33.600 Kushita against Saban and O'Reilly, the Kingdom against Liger and sidell Okada and Cedric, 1124 01:48:34.640 --> 01:48:41.239 the Addiction against the BJ and Adam Page Decade against her Puny Vice, 1125 01:48:42.720 --> 01:48:50.319 Shinsky and Kevin. Although it says this what else Shinsky and Kevin shinskan ah, 1126 01:48:50.359 --> 01:48:54.279 I'm just reading what's on the listing. Obviously these cannot have happened the 1127 01:48:54.319 --> 01:48:59.479 same time Lethal and Nido for the TV title, Tanahashi and Elgin and then 1128 01:48:59.520 --> 01:49:05.319 that ten in m R. I remember what the are you reading that from 1129 01:49:05.319 --> 01:49:11.199 Cage match? Yes, well, the Shin Shinskan Kevin match was actually taped 1130 01:49:11.239 --> 01:49:15.640 on May seventeenth of twenty fourteen, so my guests as they probably used that 1131 01:49:15.680 --> 01:49:19.439 as the intermission match. Yes that day, that one hundred percent correct. 1132 01:49:19.840 --> 01:49:25.239 I can remember that. Now they wonder now I'm curious what the Honor Club 1133 01:49:25.279 --> 01:49:31.119 feed looks like. Oh god, I always thinking the other day about that 1134 01:49:31.159 --> 01:49:34.840 show we watch where the intermission was left in the the Honor Club feed. 1135 01:49:34.960 --> 01:49:39.199 They didn't added out the half an hour intermission and the Honor Club feed. 1136 01:49:39.640 --> 01:49:43.800 That was good stuff. Yeah, maybe maybe we'll maybe we'll do a Global 1137 01:49:43.840 --> 01:49:48.239 Wars pole. Yeah, if there's some good aligns and after our best in 1138 01:49:48.279 --> 01:49:56.800 the world, some really really after we do yeah, after this, well, 1139 01:49:56.800 --> 01:50:00.479 you gotta pick Nathan up at school shortly. Well yeah, and yeah, 1140 01:50:00.840 --> 01:50:05.399 I got thirty forty minutes to this up with the main events, especially 1141 01:50:05.439 --> 01:50:09.840 when the last things only fifteen seconds long. 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I should say I'm trying to 1159 01:51:33.439 --> 01:51:41.039 rush into my Jay Lethal point about how like I was thinking about this, 1160 01:51:41.159 --> 01:51:53.560 I don't know of any like long term top guy heel that stayed I mean 1161 01:51:53.880 --> 01:52:01.119 in the modern Sinclair era the way Jay Lethal did. Like Jay Lethal, 1162 01:52:02.600 --> 01:52:06.680 he was in the mid card, he was doing the baby face stuff, 1163 01:52:06.720 --> 01:52:14.479 and then he turned and he aligned with Truth back at Supercard Supercard of Honor 1164

01:52:14.600 --> 01:52:17.279 eight, and he just kept moving his way up toward the top of the 1165 01:52:17.279 --> 01:52:19.760 card, and eventually we know at the end of the year he became the 1166 01:52:20.119 --> 01:52:27.600 world champion. Yeah, and then went on the run with both belts. 1167 01:52:30.239 --> 01:52:36.159 He was the best heel Like you wanted to boo him. You weren't cheering 1168 01:52:36.279 --> 01:52:42.760 him because he was good. He was great as an in ring performer, 1169 01:52:43.760 --> 01:52:50.239 but the combo with truth and the way he carried himself and then the quality 1170 01:52:50.279 --> 01:52:58.600 of his matches reflecting that bad guy character, it was. It was really 1171 01:52:58.640 --> 01:53:05.600 really good. And I don't think anybody else in the Sinclair era got to 1172 01:53:05.720 --> 01:53:17.720 that level or even close. Really, were there any trying to like Cole 1173 01:53:17.920 --> 01:53:30.039 being an established heel champion, but it was cheered because he's cool. Was 1174 01:53:30.079 --> 01:53:33.479 anybody else like an established heel champion of this time frame, I mean, 1175 01:53:34.079 --> 01:53:38.000 not even like a heel top I'm even saying they have to be the world 1176 01:53:38.119 --> 01:53:40.640 champion. I'm just saying, like, I mean, yeah, because obviously 1177 01:53:40.640 --> 01:53:44.720 he's not the world champion, he's a Stevie champ. But like top top 1178 01:53:44.800 --> 01:53:48.840 guy, it was nobody that everybody else had a cool factor to them because 1179 01:53:48.840 --> 01:53:57.000 they were you know, bullet club or elite or you know something else. 1180 01:53:59.520 --> 01:54:04.119 And Lethal was on his own. He had truth as his manager. He 1181 01:54:04.239 --> 01:54:10.039 was a villain. He enjoyed it, he embraced it, he didn't run 1182 01:54:10.279 --> 01:54:15.439 from it. He did every chicken shit trick in the book and it worked. 1183 01:54:16.920 --> 01:54:24.680 And I really think like and just was the weight of that big run 1184 01:54:25.079 --> 01:54:30.119 is enough to get him on the list for the twenty twenty two Honorable Mentioned 1185 01:54:30.159 --> 01:54:33.880 Hall of Fame of on our club it's a club, well, I mean, 1186 01:54:34.960 --> 01:54:39.199 you know, well then I think and at this point, you know, 1187 01:54:39.319 --> 01:54:42.840 the class of twenty twenty two, I should with it with him was 1188 01:54:42.880 --> 01:54:49.359 the TV champ um. I think this is establishing, you know, the 1189 01:54:49.399 --> 01:54:54.159 bona fides to actually be that top guy because he got fair when he first 1190 01:54:54.159 --> 01:55:00.520 came back in twenty eleven. Well, he immediately got put into the TV 1191 01:55:00.600 --> 01:55:08.079 title picture. And then we did that champion versus Champion Davey versus him match 1192 01:55:08.119 --> 01:55:15.359 at Homecoming twenty twelve in the archives in the archives, and then you know, 1193 01:55:15.520 --> 01:55:20.640 kind of put him into that spot against Kevin for the world title. 1194 01:55:21.119 --> 01:55:28.239 Um in twenty thirteen. Was that twenty thirteen? It was twenty thirteen. 1195 01:55:28.319 --> 01:55:36.199 Jesus, uh, good night, Jim. Twenty twelve, Yeah, twenty 1196 01:55:36.239 --> 01:55:40.479 twelve and twenty thirteen, both because they had the first match. Killer instinctly 1197 01:55:40.520 --> 01:55:43.840 did the rematch at the anniversary show in Chicago in the next year, but 1198 01:55:43.960 --> 01:55:53.199 like none of that, it felt less earned and more just being put into 1199 01:55:53.239 --> 01:55:59.439 that position. You know. I feel like by this point, you know, 1200 01:55:59.560 --> 01:56:05.159 three years is on, two years to two years on, he'd grown 1201 01:56:05.439 --> 01:56:15.039 into the role he's now occupying, and it's carried over and as a heel, 1202 01:56:15.119 --> 01:56:17.760 he's grown into that rule, He's grown into that role he's now occupying 1203 01:56:17.800 --> 01:56:23.399 as a champion and as a end doing it as a heel as opposed to 1204 01:56:24.039 --> 01:56:30.880 somewhat feeling like the ill fitting baby face to Kevin, who was, contrary 1205 01:56:30.920 --> 01:56:35.399 to you know, who was the the top baby face in the company, 1206 01:56:35.479 --> 01:56:44.720 contrary to traditional booking ideas, you know, regardless of the fact that Kevin 1207 01:56:44.760 --> 01:56:47.079 was acting like a monster heel, he was being cheered like a monster baby 1208 01:56:47.119 --> 01:56:51.680 face, stone cold. He was a stone cold baby face. I mean, 1209 01:56:51.720 --> 01:56:56.840 stone Cold wasn't threatening to burn the company to the ground and rebuild it 1210 01:56:56.840 --> 01:57:01.960 in his own image like stone Eric. Kevin steam was. He did he 1211 01:57:02.039 --> 01:57:09.000 did poor cement into Vince's corvette. Yeah, well it's that poor corvette. 1212 01:57:12.119 --> 01:57:16.640 Oh at least, but My point being now at this point as a title 1213 01:57:16.680 --> 01:57:25.119 holder, as there's a much more it feels comfortable, like, it feels 1214 01:57:25.199 --> 01:57:29.000 much more of a comfortable fit for Jay than I think it did during his 1215 01:57:29.079 --> 01:57:35.880 first run with the TV title in twenty eleven. His confidence is so far 1216 01:57:35.960 --> 01:57:42.319 off the charts here, um, and I think that's kind of the great 1217 01:57:42.800 --> 01:57:48.920 you know, UM like aspect of this match, aside from the inner ring, 1218 01:57:49.199 --> 01:57:57.279 is the confidence in Jay Lethal pulling Kyle O'Reilly up with him. He's 1219 01:57:57.399 --> 01:58:03.479 he's confident in his place is TV champion and being an established guy, and 1220 01:58:03.560 --> 01:58:10.720 now it's time to take Kyle O'Reilly with him and bring him up and further 1221 01:58:10.880 --> 01:58:15.159 cement him as an established guy that can be a top guy. If

that 1222 01:58:15.199 --> 01:58:23.359 makes any sense. Um, I back, I'll just say back in Milwaukee, 1223 01:58:24.319 --> 01:58:29.520 Kyle did get the win over Jay Lethal in a champions Challenge match, 1224 01:58:30.319 --> 01:58:36.560 and that would be uh, you know, Jay and Jay in this case 1225 01:58:36.960 --> 01:58:46.039 teaming to take on Red Dragon, and this got Kyle a TV title match. 1226 01:58:46.119 --> 01:58:49.039 So here we are, and I like that that was you know, 1227 01:58:49.079 --> 01:58:51.359 it makes sense. It's a natural way to do it. You beat the 1228 01:58:51.479 --> 01:58:55.239 champions shot at the belt, even if in a tag match. I like 1229 01:58:55.319 --> 01:59:00.520 that, so where you're supposed to be very simple, very simple way to 1230 01:59:00.520 --> 01:59:02.239 get a title match, you know, to get a title match in there 1231 01:59:02.279 --> 01:59:08.239 without having to start having to plug something in it said, a very simple 1232 01:59:08.279 --> 01:59:14.800 way to get a title match without like having to do a way to get 1233 01:59:14.840 --> 01:59:16.199 a title match without being, oh, here's a proving ground match, here's 1234 01:59:16.199 --> 01:59:20.560 the number one contender match, Like it's here's a type of match we do 1235 01:59:20.760 --> 01:59:27.600 regularly. Anyway, if you get a follow over the champion, you know 1236 01:59:27.800 --> 01:59:32.000 we're going trying your method to get it. And I have to say, 1237 01:59:32.039 --> 01:59:36.880 I like the fact that it's a little touch that you wouldn't notice necessarily up 1238 01:59:38.000 --> 01:59:42.640 unless you were closely inspecting. Or the announcers kind of kindly pointed out the 1239 01:59:42.720 --> 01:59:45.840 TV title belt. Don't say TV title I was just getting ready to talk 1240 01:59:45.880 --> 01:59:56.359 about that. It just says ROS champion on which firmly tells me that Lethal 1241 01:59:56.600 --> 02:00:01.039 is not just a TV champion in the mid car or he's on his way 1242 02:00:01.119 --> 02:00:08.560 up, he's pressed the button to the penthouse on the the Roh Elevator of 1243 02:00:08.680 --> 02:00:15.920 honor at this point, you know, I mean, it's what was it? 1244 02:00:15.000 --> 02:00:21.039 He was the longest reigning right television champion. Yup. But I mean 1245 02:00:21.119 --> 02:00:27.720 and he had been reigning his champion longer than world champion. HM, so 1246 02:00:28.199 --> 02:00:30.920 you know why not Like, Hey, I'm the longest rain champion in this 1247 02:00:30.000 --> 02:00:36.880 company, I'm the champ, I'm the champ. I'm the champelum. So 1248 02:00:39.000 --> 02:00:44.600 I guess getting into the match itself. Like there's some really great selling throughout 1249 02:00:44.600 --> 02:00:54.600 the whole match from Kyle selling his arm. UM Like Lethal knows when to 1250 02:00:54.680 --> 02:00:59.840 call for truth to interfere. Kyle knows when that's coming and cuts it all. 1251 02:01:00.279 --> 02:01:05.600 Um. That allows Jay to do that hanging armbar, which I am 1252 02:01:05.600 --> 02:01:13.199 a huge fan of. UM. Lethal's arm work, you know, his 1253 02:01:13.319 --> 02:01:16.760 selling of his own arm because we know the arm bar is Kyle's go to 1254 02:01:17.840 --> 02:01:25.279 UM is tremendous. There's, you know, the flurry of strikes from Kyle. 1255 02:01:26.399 --> 02:01:31.600 UM. Finally when he locks in that hanging arm guillotine, UM, 1256 02:01:31.720 --> 02:01:35.880 you know, Lethal pulls him out and then does the Lethal combination for a 1257 02:01:35.920 --> 02:01:45.760 double down. UM. It's it's just a great back and forth. Even 1258 02:01:46.079 --> 02:01:56.439 Stephen wrestling match and Jay lost nothing as the top guy here. This match 1259 02:01:56.560 --> 02:02:00.119 is phenomenal. Like I was, I want to run it back. UM 1260 02:02:00.159 --> 02:02:05.760 now uh because we can you know, freak it can be run back on. 1261 02:02:09.039 --> 02:02:12.079 I would like even now that yes there, I would like to run 1262 02:02:12.119 --> 02:02:15.880 this back now in twenty twenty two and see how, you know, with 1263 02:02:15.960 --> 02:02:19.000 how each competitor has grown, how both Jay and Kyle have grown as wrestlers, 1264 02:02:19.039 --> 02:02:23.439 and uh, I think would be a lot of fun to watch back 1265 02:02:23.439 --> 02:02:28.560 now. Um and there it was certainly the ability to promo now yeah, 1266 02:02:28.640 --> 02:02:33.079 yes, and especially in that instance Kyle, like how much Kyle has grown? 1267 02:02:33.800 --> 02:02:44.239 Uh as a character who is you know the bell rings a killer but 1268 02:02:45.439 --> 02:02:53.000 is a goof in so many ways? Uh in as a character, you 1269 02:02:53.039 --> 02:02:56.239 know, he's got a kind a dorky as a character. You know. 1270 02:02:57.000 --> 02:03:00.960 Um, but I just I would like to see just from an entering standpoint, 1271 02:03:00.960 --> 02:03:04.039 I love to see this back now. But for this it's like, 1272 02:03:04.119 --> 02:03:09.600 man, what a what a I kind of this I think would qualify as 1273 02:03:09.600 --> 02:03:13.920 a bit of a hidden gem because I don't imagine on anyone's twenty fifteen you 1274 02:03:13.960 --> 02:03:18.199 know, Bingo cards Hopkins been a ASDA match might be one of the best 1275 02:03:18.239 --> 02:03:24.359 matches of the entire you know year for the company, But from what that 1276 02:03:24.439 --> 02:03:27.319 seems to be, how this match is looked at you know, for Ringamana 1277 02:03:27.359 --> 02:03:30.199 for the year, this is one of the best matches that they had well, 1278 02:03:30.199 --> 02:03:36.279 and it's probably one of the lesser scene matches. Two. Considering this 1279 02:03:36.439 --> 02:03:40.800 card, well, like I said, it's a it's a card with no 1280 02:03:40.880 --> 02:03:45.399 new japan talent sandwiched in between you know, the big WrestleMania weekend shows, 1281 02:03:45.479

--> 02:03:49.840 and you've got the Global Wars shows coming up, or Global Global War right 1282 02:03:49.840 --> 02:03:54.920 Global Wars coming up, Wars, You've got the end. This is kind 1283 02:03:54.920 --> 02:04:00.159 of just this random Conquest show War of the worlds now Global Wars, the 1284 02:04:00.159 --> 02:04:01.319 Wars, and the War of the Wards. So like, do you have 1285 02:04:01.439 --> 02:04:06.119 this Conquest show that sandwiched in between the two The other Conquest shows were like 1286 02:04:06.199 --> 02:04:12.600 two months ago at this point, and yeah, I just think you look 1287 02:04:12.640 --> 02:04:19.159 at this show and think, ah, it's gonna be a air quotes house 1288 02:04:20.800 --> 02:04:30.600 show, and instead you get this superbly wrestled main event where both guys come 1289 02:04:30.600 --> 02:04:36.319 out looking better than they went in. Yeah, and Kyle Riley goes up 1290 02:04:36.800 --> 02:04:42.960 a couple of notches just based on this performance alone in the eyes of Ring 1291 02:04:42.960 --> 02:04:46.520 of Honor fans, especially at this time. I mean this the way lethal 1292 02:04:46.640 --> 02:04:57.840 helps get him going here it's tremendous, Like there's a spot where Jake goes 1293 02:04:57.880 --> 02:05:01.079 to the top to do the Halo of the King, but he's selling his 1294 02:05:01.279 --> 02:05:08.119 arms, so it's not exactly the most powerful elbows that he delivers, and 1295 02:05:08.159 --> 02:05:15.920 then it gets to count. He goes to the second rope for a superplex. 1296 02:05:15.680 --> 02:05:21.119 Uh. Kyle decides no superplex for you, does the super arm bar 1297 02:05:21.239 --> 02:05:29.640 DDT while holding the foods you are armbar. They go back up again. 1298 02:05:30.359 --> 02:05:34.920 Lethal counters a suplex to the to the floor, which is a crazy bump. 1299 02:05:36.479 --> 02:05:42.800 He's trying everything he can to beat Kyle, and Kyle will not stay 1300 02:05:42.880 --> 02:05:48.640 down. So O'Reilly gets back in at nine and three quarters and he is 1301 02:05:49.159 --> 02:05:57.960 telling telling Jay to hit him, and Jay hits him. They both start 1302 02:05:58.039 --> 02:06:02.039 swinging neither of them can and we get the accent smash from Kyle. That's 1303 02:06:02.119 --> 02:06:09.560 no sold superkick, no sold smash. Yeah, the elbow and the kick. 1304 02:06:10.880 --> 02:06:14.600 It's a red dragon move. Usually it takes two, but Kyle did 1305 02:06:14.600 --> 02:06:24.039 book parts. So then they do the more no selling with the jawbreaker lariat 1306 02:06:25.079 --> 02:06:32.640 chasing the Dragon done solo from Kyle, O'Reilly Lethal kicks out Armageddon LaBelle Locke. 1307 02:06:33.239 --> 02:06:38.279 Lethal gets to the ropes, We get the announcement of one minute left 1308 02:06:38.880 --> 02:06:45.119 and both guys collapse. The lethal injection is countered in mid air to the 1309 02:06:45.199 --> 02:06:50.399 armageddon. We had five seconds left. Jay Lethal

is just holding on for 1310 02:06:50.479 --> 02:06:57.119 dear life because the tie goes to the champ and thirty minutes click click, 1311 02:06:58.159 --> 02:07:09.199 we have ourselves a draw. What a match? Yeah yeah, um really 1312 02:07:09.279 --> 02:07:16.920 really strong match. But we are not done yet. Um I this is 1313 02:07:19.720 --> 02:07:28.520 one of those matches that I would love to see, you know, seven 1314 02:07:28.600 --> 02:07:32.399 years since it happened, people will be able to watch again and like get 1315 02:07:32.399 --> 02:07:36.359 a higher profile, a little more love, like you know in the with 1316 02:07:36.399 --> 02:07:42.159 where things have gone with Ring of Honor, uh and how whatever it ends 1317 02:07:42.199 --> 02:07:45.600 up being whatever, how that people look doesn't match. I think people need 1318 02:07:45.840 --> 02:07:49.000 need to see to look at and see how people have grown, where they 1319 02:07:49.000 --> 02:07:54.079 came from and how they you know, especially in the case of like Lethal, 1320 02:07:54.359 --> 02:07:58.199 you know, how he grew, you know, it's been ten years 1321 02:07:58.439 --> 02:08:01.079 at this point in twenty fifteen since he was the Peer Champion, and how 1322 02:08:01.119 --> 02:08:05.760 he grew in the ten years since then into the TV Champion and how you 1323 02:08:05.800 --> 02:08:09.359 know, in the four years five years since Kyle debuted, Like how he 1324 02:08:09.439 --> 02:08:13.680 grew in that time frame, and then from where they are in twenty fifteen 1325 02:08:13.720 --> 02:08:16.560 to where they are in twenty twenty two, Like this match is just a 1326 02:08:18.479 --> 02:08:28.119 wonderful What's what I'm looking for, Like wonderful microcosm of where they were at 1327 02:08:28.119 --> 02:08:35.319 this time and then just how much better each man's got since well, and 1328 02:08:35.439 --> 02:08:39.640 I think you could look at this show is like a show where there's guys 1329 02:08:39.680 --> 02:08:46.800 that grew into legitimate main event guys. Hangman, that would be the other 1330 02:08:46.000 --> 02:08:50.960 Man, the other other, prime example on the show of someone who how 1331 02:08:52.039 --> 02:08:56.079 much they've grown in the seven years since this show, and Roddy to a 1332 02:08:56.199 --> 02:08:58.000 lesser extent, I mean at this I see I don't. I don't put 1333 02:08:58.079 --> 02:09:03.840 him in there because he's already so established. He's on a higher profile situation 1334 02:09:03.920 --> 02:09:09.600 now than he was in twenty fifteen. But I'm saying as a wrestler, 1335 02:09:11.279 --> 02:09:15.399 in twenty fifteen, Rody was a Rady was as complete a wrestler as he 1336 02:09:15.479 --> 02:09:22.239 is now. You know, it's just now more people see it fair there 1337 02:09:22.279 --> 02:09:30.920 there. I don't think you're going to see a huge, a huge like 1338 02:09:31.319 --> 02:09:37.479 change in twenty fifteen Ridy to twenty twenty

two Roddy it's just refining. It's 1339 02:09:37.479 --> 02:09:43.039 just refining what was already there. Um. But I think in the case 1340 02:09:43.079 --> 02:09:50.399 of very much so with Hangman. But Kyle and Jay, you're there is 1341 02:09:50.439 --> 02:09:56.279 a growth as opposed to just a refinement. Yes, I would concur. 1342 02:09:56.720 --> 02:10:01.840 And after the match is over here, we're not done yet. The fans 1343 02:10:01.880 --> 02:10:07.520 are demanding five more minutes, which is just tradition based upon a draw. 1344 02:10:07.760 --> 02:10:13.960 There should be five more minutes, and they're chanting man up at Jay Lethal. 1345 02:10:13.039 --> 02:10:18.720 Of course we know that is the hallmark chant of the Briscos who Jay 1346 02:10:18.800 --> 02:10:22.439 Lethal in the House of Truth are feuding with. So I thought that was 1347 02:10:22.600 --> 02:10:30.640 very well done from the crowd. Bravo Hopkins and been chanted that Jay should 1348 02:10:30.720 --> 02:10:35.920 man up and continue the match, and Jay Lethal says, f you, 1349 02:10:35.159 --> 02:10:39.960 I'm out. And he did this with the ah match that went thirty minutes 1350 02:10:41.000 --> 02:10:46.359 in twenty fourteen. And as he gets to the ramp to go to the 1351 02:10:46.399 --> 02:10:54.359 backstage area, he is met by Jay Briscoe himself and Lethal is, you 1352 02:10:54.399 --> 02:10:58.119 know, not willing to go five minutes with Kyle O'Reilly. So Jay Briscoe 1353 02:10:58.279 --> 02:11:03.720 says, fine, I'll defend the Ring of Honor World title against them instead, 1354 02:11:05.079 --> 02:11:09.359 and they go fifteen seconds and Jay lethal attacks them both with the TV 1355 02:11:09.479 --> 02:11:16.960 title, So seeing it in context instead of just the numbers on the website, 1356 02:11:16.279 --> 02:11:20.720 I am perfectly okay with this because it's not an advertise made event. 1357 02:11:20.560 --> 02:11:26.119 It's Jay being a heel and screwing the fans out of something that they weren't 1358 02:11:26.159 --> 02:11:33.520 expecting anyway, So it enhances Jay's character, it enhances the story moving forward, 1359 02:11:33.039 --> 02:11:37.359 and they got a hall of a match out of it before this surprise 1360 02:11:37.399 --> 02:11:43.439 that gets ruined before this, yeah, potential surprise that gets ruined. So 1361 02:11:43.479 --> 02:11:46.720 I am perfectly okay with the fifteen second question that led to us watching this 1362 02:11:46.760 --> 02:11:50.439 show in the first place. Yep, and it was worth it. Mark 1363 02:11:50.479 --> 02:11:54.920 Briscoe, Bobby Fish, they make the rescue, ODB makes her way out, 1364 02:11:56.000 --> 02:12:01.279 she puts Druth Martini through the table, and we go off into the 1365 02:12:01.359 --> 02:12:09.720 horizons. Here to end conquest to our twenty fifteen Hopkins with subtitle fifteen second. 1366 02:12:09.840 --> 02:12:16.319 We got a world title MAC but a fun show nonetheless. Yeah, 1367 02:12:16.399 --> 02:12:20.760 I really enjoyed some of the highlights, and um, the lows were low, 1368 02:12:20.920 --> 02:12:24.960 but you know that's kind of part for the course in this era. 1369 02:12:26.000 --> 02:12:33.399 Um, this was this main event though that's the Chef's kiss. Yeah, 1370 02:12:33.479 --> 02:12:37.399 yep, Yeah, it's one of the one of the best things that I 1371 02:12:37.439 --> 02:12:41.479 can say that we've watched as far as a single match. It's one of 1372 02:12:41.479 --> 02:12:46.680 the best ones we watched in in a while. Yeah. I think that's 1373 02:12:46.680 --> 02:12:50.279 a fair statement. Um, it's it's got so many layers to it and 1374 02:12:50.319 --> 02:12:56.800 accomplished so much so. Bravo to Kyle and Jay for such an incredible TV 1375 02:12:56.880 --> 02:13:01.920 title main event when I think the other part of it that needs to be 1376 02:13:01.239 --> 02:13:07.800 acknowledged for the overall quality of this card minus a few exceptions you know mentioned 1377 02:13:07.920 --> 02:13:13.399 being sandwiched in between the big tent pole events for the company, No Bullet 1378 02:13:13.399 --> 02:13:20.960 Club, New Japan Elites, BTE, whatever influence on this show, which 1379 02:13:20.079 --> 02:13:26.119 draw the things that we're drawing the spotlight at the moment, m and it 1380 02:13:28.279 --> 02:13:33.159 No, I'd say Knox at Home and three. Three matches are definite like 1381 02:13:33.279 --> 02:13:39.199 must to me. Three of the matches are absolute like MUSC matches, Roddy 1382 02:13:39.239 --> 02:13:43.439 and Silas being like a number, you know, a second tier one to 1383 02:13:43.520 --> 02:13:48.760 that an honorable mention, an honorable mention behind the tag match, the World 1384 02:13:48.760 --> 02:13:52.800 Title match, and the page match, and then you know Roddy gets the 1385 02:13:52.920 --> 02:13:58.880 Varrity gets the fourth slide in there. Um yeah, just I give this 1386 02:13:58.000 --> 02:14:03.159 a thumbs up. And if you've never seen it in your honor clubs a 1387 02:14:03.199 --> 02:14:13.079 subscriber or a pat Patreon dot com back slash an honorable pod member. There 1388 02:14:13.359 --> 02:14:18.680 are ways. There's always a way. There's always a way. So having 1389 02:14:18.720 --> 02:14:24.600 said that, we do look ahead and we head over to social media and 1390 02:14:24.880 --> 02:14:31.399 you can find us on Twitter and Instagram at an Honorable Pod, Facebook dot 1391 02:14:31.439 --> 02:14:35.119 com back slash an Honorable Pod. I am on Twitter where I am complaining 1392 02:14:35.159 --> 02:14:41.680 about the Cleveland Guardians pitching staff as opposed to the actual offense, which has 1393 02:14:41.720 --> 02:14:50.760 been shockingly good. It's the pitching staff that has betrayed us. So I'm 1394 02:14:50.760 --> 02:14:56.039 at mister Jeff Schwartz zero if you'd like to talk baseball or a w or 1395 02:14:56.640 --> 02:15:05.319 college sports recruiting, talk

about my second booster shot, which, speaking of, 1396 02:15:05.359 --> 02:15:07.600 I do want to send well, which is out to my dad who 1397 02:15:07.640 --> 02:15:13.640 has COVID for a third time. Yeah. I don't know if I told 1398 02:15:13.680 --> 02:15:18.800 you, but yeah, he's yeah. And uh, that's also my Instagram 1399 02:15:18.800 --> 02:15:22.359 handle at mister job sports zero. Partner. Where can we find you on 1400 02:15:22.359 --> 02:15:28.600 the internet? Beside Googles. I thought you're gonna say about your Instagram handle 1401 02:15:28.600 --> 02:15:31.119 ast my dad has COVID for the third time, like you changed short Instagram 1402 02:15:31.239 --> 02:15:37.800 handle. No, he's he has got COVID a third time. He's vaccinated. 1403 02:15:37.880 --> 02:15:41.920 He is only one boost he told us he had to. He forgot 1404 02:15:43.359 --> 02:15:46.199 he didn't get the second one yet, so hopefully he's feeling a little better 1405 02:15:46.239 --> 02:15:50.159 today. I'll be checking in on him after we get off recording this episode. 1406 02:15:50.159 --> 02:15:56.079 So get well dad and wash your hands. Please hello him God. 1407 02:15:56.359 --> 02:15:58.039 I am at hag It or in Shane on Twitter and Instagram, Shane hag 1408 02:15:58.119 --> 02:16:05.399 It on Facebook. Also Code of Honor book on Twitter, and make sure 1409 02:16:05.399 --> 02:16:11.479 you go to YouTube dot com Backslash an honorable mention podcast for our assorted YouTube 1410 02:16:11.479 --> 02:16:16.720 playlist, but most frequently our non our wage matches of the week that I 1411 02:16:16.720 --> 02:16:24.520 tried to do on every Monday, sometimes on Tuesday. So upcoming events for 1412 02:16:24.760 --> 02:16:33.200 us next week is episode number two hundred for us, and I think we'll 1413 02:16:33.239 --> 02:16:37.479 talk more about it next week. But I just want to acknowledge and thank 1414 02:16:37.559 --> 02:16:46.280 you for participating in this show with me as not only my friend but business 1415 02:16:46.319 --> 02:16:52.520 partner and podcast co host. This would not be possible, And I'm so 1416 02:16:52.600 --> 02:16:58.879 proud of what we've put together here telling this story. Two hundred episodes Man 1417 02:17:00.200 --> 02:17:05.319 t Wild and two at A plus sorry, two at P two hundred official. 1418 02:17:05.360 --> 02:17:09.399 And then we've got our fight nights, our fight nights, or you 1419 02:17:09.440 --> 02:17:15.639 know whatever UC calls. They're random non numbered events, our bus our bonus 1420 02:17:15.680 --> 02:17:18.799 content um. And then on top of all the stuff that you do on 1421 02:17:20.000 --> 02:17:22.520 Patreon, since I no longer have a disk drive and have yet to get 1422 02:17:22.520 --> 02:17:28.479 an external to use my personal library, did I look for my extra disk 1423 02:17:28.559 --> 02:17:31.959 drive for you? Speaking of, because I mean we conversated about it. 1424 02:17:31.959 --> 02:17:35.920 Whether or not you actually did it, I don't know, okay, So 1425 02:17:35.159 --> 02:17:37.280 I know I didn't send it, so it's in the house. You did 1426 02:17:37.280 --> 02:17:41.200 not send it to me, okay. Conversated about it, but I'll find 1427 02:17:41.239 --> 02:17:46.479 it. And the work you do for on Patreon, and yeah, all 1428 02:17:46.479 --> 02:17:50.799 of this fun stuff that we get to do. So we're going to Japan 1429 02:17:50.920 --> 02:17:54.360 next week, Tokyo Summit. We got We're going to Japan where you get 1430 02:17:54.360 --> 02:17:56.399 to hear me bitch and complain for two hours about how I should have been 1431 02:17:56.440 --> 02:18:01.920 there for my birthday but I wasn't. And then night of Champions two thousand 1432 02:18:01.959 --> 02:18:05.600 and three, the Nights Samoa Joe wins the Ring of Honor world title, 1433 02:18:05.879 --> 02:18:15.840 and my fandom and love for this company goes from Annoine to A ten thousand 1434 02:18:15.920 --> 02:18:20.399 out of ten. So that'll be the two oh one, and then the 1435 02:18:20.399 --> 02:18:24.920 Best in the World poll, we'll do a Global Wars poll. We've got 1436 02:18:24.399 --> 02:18:28.200 still do Best in the World pole will come before that. Tools. Yeah, 1437 02:18:28.280 --> 02:18:31.360 we've got a lot of good stuff coming your way here in an honorable 1438 02:18:31.399 --> 02:18:35.000 mention, But thank you for being with us. If you've been with us 1439 02:18:35.000 --> 02:18:39.200 since episode one, thank you. If you've been with us since episode number 1440 02:18:39.319 --> 02:18:43.280 one ninety nine and this is your first you have a lot of catching up 1441 02:18:43.280 --> 02:18:46.079 to do. Good luck. We are brought to you by the Creative Control 1442 02:18:46.159 --> 02:18:48.879 Network. Be sure of all. The head of the Creative Control Network, 1443 02:18:50.360 --> 02:18:54.520 the man who brings the show to iTunes and all the other streaming platforms were 1444 02:18:54.520 --> 02:19:00.520 available on mister Joe Phine. He's at Jule and Ey through a d and 1445 02:19:00.559 --> 02:19:05.920 at the CC network one. Be sure to follow our verified scientists of Sound. 1446 02:19:05.920 --> 02:19:07.719 Our astronaut of audio are pervyor Production, the Ace of Action figures, 1447 02:19:07.719 --> 02:19:11.200 the voice of video games of Bassmaster General, the technician of Trouble, the 1448 02:19:11.319 --> 02:19:16.559 best broadcast machine, and the award winning lout to Crack top advertisement. The 1449 02:19:16.719 --> 02:19:20.719 cleaner of audio, mister Zach Johnson. He's on Twitter and Instagram at Radio 1450 02:19:20.840 --> 02:19:26.799 ZT and he delivers us the best intro and outro every single week, making 1451 02:19:26.879 --> 02:19:31.319 sure that we sound cooler than the other side of the pillow. Anyone with 1452 02:19:31.360 --> 02:19:37.319 information regarding the murder of my dear friend Cardinal Sledge and his friend Kathryn Brown 1453 02:19:37.520 --> 02:19:43.280 on June fourth, twenty nineteen when the Rocky River Reservation is asked to please 1454 02:19:43.360 --> 02:19:46.879 call the Federal Breau of Investigation for the City of Cleveland two one six six 1455 02:19:46.959 --> 02:19:52.200 two two six eight four two. Carnell and Kate were murdered between five or 1456 02:19:52.319 --> 02:19:58.280 four and five thirteen PM in the Rocky River Reservation under the Rain Road Bridge, 1457 02:19:58.559 --> 02:20:05.479 which there's usually about ten thousand people in that area at one time in 1458 02:20:05.479 --> 02:20:09.920 that time frame. If you know anything, I don't care how small or 1459 02:20:09.959 --> 02:20:16.920 how large it is, please contact the FBI for City of Cleveland. There 1460 02:20:16.000 --> 02:20:20.760 is a renewed push, as there usually is around the anniversary. Whether it 1461 02:20:20.840 --> 02:20:28.079 yields any information, I'm not optimistic, but hey, I mean, if 1462 02:20:28.120 --> 02:20:31.479 you have something and it leads to a conviction. You're going to get one 1463 02:20:31.559 --> 02:20:37.479 hundred thousand dollars. And I don't know about you, but pretty much everybody 1464 02:20:37.520 --> 02:20:41.280 I know could use one hundred grand right now. So help out, solve 1465 02:20:41.319 --> 02:20:46.680 a crime, help families get justice, help our friends get justice. And 1466 02:20:46.440 --> 02:20:52.840 Mistress Sledge michell Lot having said that there is only one thing left to do, 1467 02:20:52.040 --> 02:20:56.479 and that is to quote the honorable Mayor of an honorable mention Surinaro, 1468 02:20:58.159 --> 02:21:01.079 no need to trip out. It's time to dip about, slap the porpoise. 1469 02:21:01.280 --> 02:21:05.000 This one is over. We're out. Be kind to one another, 1470 02:21:05.159 --> 02:21:09.959 keep your chin up, happy, everything until the next episode. Can take 1471 02:21:09.000 --> 02:21:13.440 my commentary out of the event, because I don't want to have anything to 1472 02:21:13.600 --> 02:21:20.959 do with it. What I'm fucking abortion. I see trees so green, 1473 02:21:24.200 --> 02:21:33.200 red roses to I see them blue, fucking you, and I think to 1474 02:21:33.440 --> 02:21:52.920 myself, what I wonderful? I sees sky so blue, so white, 1475 02:21:54.040 --> 02:22:01.079 the right, blessed day, the dog sacred night, and I think to 1476 02:22:01.239 --> 02:22:16.959 myself, what I wonderful? The colors of the rainbow so pretty in the 1477 02:22:18.040 --> 02:22:26.280 sky, A parcel on the faces are people going by. I see friends 1478 02:22:26.680 --> 02:22:41.479 shaking hands, saying how they're really saying. I I hear Bigger's crown, 1479 02:22:43.799 --> 02:22:50.959 I want slim growl. They are like much moved then I never knew. 1480 02:22:52.319 --> 02:23:07.360 And I think to myself, what I wonderful? Yeah? So I think 1481 02:23:07.520 --> 02:23:22.840 to myself, what I wonderful, Yeah,