Full Transcript for Almost Punk Enough Ep. 42: Altarboy and Bad Dad's Ultimate Alkaline Trio Playlist

00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:18.319 from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. I play bass and I sing. um 71 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:22.039 we've been going strong since 2024 so it's been about 72 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:24.740 two years um i would say we're very you know 73 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:26.979 punk rock is the best umbrella term i can use 74 00:03:27.020 --> 00:03:29.259 you know we do a lot of pop punk emo 75 00:03:29.310 --> 00:03:34.110 alternative uh adjacent things um you know we uh we 76 00:03:34.129 --> 00:03:36.090 really lean into like we have like a whole horror 77 00:03:36.129 --> 00:03:39.050 gimmick like a b-side campy thing that was originally supposed 78 00:03:39.069 --> 00:03:42.449 to be super serious and edgy and then it just 79 00:03:42.490 --> 00:03:45.000 got so campy and dumb and it was it felt 80 00:03:45.060 --> 00:03:46.740 more true to us so we just ran with it 81 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:49.800 but um Yeah, we're from Philadelphia. We play as much 82 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:53.120 as we can. We travel around the East Coast right now. 83 00:03:53.259 --> 00:03:55.900 Love to get out West or Midwest or anything. But yeah, 84 00:03:56.219 --> 00:03:57.680 I would say Alkaline Trio, like I said, is my 85 00:03:57.719 --> 00:04:01.659 favorite band. So anyone who knows Alterboy, who's listened to 86 00:04:01.699 --> 00:04:03.650 our songs, you'll be able to hear the influence, in 87 00:04:03.659 --> 00:04:07.949 my opinion, like Alkaline Green Day type stuff. My Chemical Romance. 88 00:04:08.270 --> 00:04:11.750 Like that spooky punk rock, pop punk adjacent type stuff. 89 00:04:12.349 --> 00:04:13.370 Yeah, it was one of the things I wanted to 90 00:04:13.430 --> 00:04:16.819 ask about. Obviously, there's a darker side to your music 91 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:20.180 and your presentation, and that's where the Alkaline Trio connection 92 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:21.779 came from for me to ask if you wanted to 93 00:04:21.800 --> 00:04:24.300 be part of this. But I'm curious, was that aesthetic 94 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:26.720 something that you guys deliberately pursued, or was it something 95 00:04:26.740 --> 00:04:29.110 that kind of came naturally when you were writing? 96 00:04:29.350 --> 00:04:31.759 It was... I would say it was a little bit... 97 00:04:31.769 --> 00:04:35.329 I would say deliberately pursued. When the band started, it 98 00:04:35.569 --> 00:04:39.110 was me and Nick, my drummer, and we had this 99 00:04:39.209 --> 00:04:40.920 rule where we didn't really have an idea. 100 00:04:40.939 --> 00:04:41.009 Our. 101 00:04:42.149 --> 00:04:44.009 you know, we were, we, me and him just jammed 102 00:04:44.069 --> 00:04:46.649 and wrote songs for about two years before we even 103 00:04:46.709 --> 00:04:48.970 came out and said, hi, we're a band and got Ben. 104 00:04:49.009 --> 00:04:52.949 And then, you know, later on Adam, um, our original 105 00:04:53.009 --> 00:04:55.319 goal was, um, you know, as long as it sounds cool, 106 00:04:55.339 --> 00:04:58.000 we'll do it. That was like our, our little motto. But, um, 107 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:00.040 eventually like, uh, I came up with the name altar 108 00:05:00.060 --> 00:05:03.639 boy and then the matching outfits came with it. So, 109 00:05:04.300 --> 00:05:07.060 I mean, I would say it was definitely more deliberate, 110 00:05:07.480 --> 00:05:10.439 but it's definitely anyone who knows me knows it's organic 111 00:05:10.459 --> 00:05:13.740 to who I am. You know, the, Horror, the humor, 112 00:05:13.800 --> 00:05:15.579 the comedy, the... You know what I mean? 113 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:20.379 Yeah, absolutely. So one of the things that I like 114 00:05:20.399 --> 00:05:23.019 to ask all the musicians is where somebody should start. 115 00:05:23.079 --> 00:05:24.759 So if somebody hears this episode and decides they want 116 00:05:24.779 --> 00:05:26.689 to check you guys out, what's the first song you 117 00:05:26.730 --> 00:05:27.350 want them to hear? 118 00:05:27.370 --> 00:05:31.889 I would say Scream Queen. That's definitely our most popular. 119 00:05:32.569 --> 00:05:35.329 And we put it out, like I said, probably about 120 00:05:35.370 --> 00:05:37.800 two years ago. I would say that's our most popular. 121 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:42.230 I think it definitely... sums up who we are it's 122 00:05:42.410 --> 00:05:45.910 catchy it's fun it's you know the lyrics are very 123 00:05:45.949 --> 00:05:49.449 friday the 13th ish um i would say if you're 124 00:05:49.480 --> 00:05:53.040 going for like something more darker aggressive my cam or 125 00:05:53.060 --> 00:05:54.879 like the good morning type alkaline trio we have a 126 00:05:54.899 --> 00:05:58.720 song called doctor doctor that i think is definitely uh 127 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:01.560 on the heavier side so i would say doctor doctor 128 00:06:01.579 --> 00:06:04.829 scream queen in my opinion is uh a good uh 129 00:06:04.990 --> 00:06:05.629 introduction to. 130 00:06:05.629 --> 00:06:08.000 Us at least I can personally vouch for Scream Queen 131 00:06:08.019 --> 00:06:10.920 just because it's my oldest kid's favorite song right now. Really? 132 00:06:10.939 --> 00:06:15.139 They're playing it regularly, yeah. That's awesome. I love that song. 133 00:06:16.180 --> 00:06:18.310 What are you guys up to now? Are you recording? 134 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:20.209 Are you writing? Where are you playing shows? What do 135 00:06:20.230 --> 00:06:21.550 you got coming up? 136 00:06:21.589 --> 00:06:24.649 Right now, we actually just got out of the studio 137 00:06:25.189 --> 00:06:29.430 last Saturday on the 3rd. We just recorded another single. 138 00:06:29.810 --> 00:06:32.370 We got two singles we're sitting on in the bank 139 00:06:32.449 --> 00:06:37.350 that are going to come out eventually. Show-wise, we're actually 140 00:06:37.430 --> 00:06:40.550 about to, tomorrow we leave for just a little weekender, 141 00:06:41.709 --> 00:06:45.930

October 9th, 10th, 11th. We're hitting Philly, Baltimore, and Pittsburgh. 142 00:06:46.410 --> 00:06:49.329 And then I actually just announced this week we're throwing 143 00:06:49.449 --> 00:06:54.800 our first annual fundraiser event on November 14th at Tioga Underground, 144 00:06:55.060 --> 00:06:59.689 formerly Bonk's Bar in northeast Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, Port Richmond area. um, 145 00:07:00.089 --> 00:07:02.649 all the profits are going to Beagle Freedom Project, um, 146 00:07:02.689 --> 00:07:05.709 we're running a donation drive for Husky House, uh, I 147 00:07:05.730 --> 00:07:08.250 have a husky myself, I'm a big dog guy, so 148 00:07:08.269 --> 00:07:11.589 it was, uh, it's the first time we're, uh, cause we're, 149 00:07:11.829 --> 00:07:13.769 we're not the most political band in the world, we 150 00:07:13.810 --> 00:07:16.129 definitely have our beliefs and feel very strongly about them, 151 00:07:16.589 --> 00:07:18.490 but in, and, you know, we stand up for things 152 00:07:18.529 --> 00:07:21.430 we believe in, but, um, in terms of, like, our art, 153 00:07:21.490 --> 00:07:24.490 you know, we're very campy and fun, so it doesn't 154 00:07:24.529 --> 00:07:29.579 bleed in too much, but, um, the dogs, uh, charities 155 00:07:29.620 --> 00:07:31.839 and programs we're working with is something that we really 156 00:07:31.860 --> 00:07:34.319 want to believe in. It's the first time we're stepping 157 00:07:34.379 --> 00:07:39.230 outside of our usual Camp EP side. Haha. Comfort zone. 158 00:07:39.930 --> 00:07:44.310 And yeah, so November 14th at Tioga Underground, we are 159 00:07:44.490 --> 00:07:47.490 having our first annual fundraiser. And I've talked to the 160 00:07:47.529 --> 00:07:50.240 charities personally. I'm really looking forward to it. So that's 161 00:07:50.250 --> 00:07:52.970 like our big, it'll be our last show of 2026. 162 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:55.579 That's like our big bang that we have coming up 163 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:57.620 that I'm really excited for. I've been planning it all year. 164 00:07:58.220 --> 00:07:59.990 Are you able to announce who else is playing with 165 00:08:00.019 --> 00:08:00.910 you guys? 166 00:08:00.949 --> 00:08:05.089 Yeah, yeah. We're playing with the Angies. We're playing with 167 00:08:05.170 --> 00:08:11.089 Cool Juice, Chew Toy, and we're also playing with the Whatnals, 168 00:08:11.329 --> 00:08:13.329 another Camp Pennsylvania favorite. You know what I mean? 169 00:08:13.350 --> 00:08:13.990 Absolutely, yeah. 170 00:08:14.709 --> 00:08:15.189 That's awesome. 171 00:08:15.250 --> 00:08:16.889 So we'll make sure everybody knows where they can find 172 00:08:16.920 --> 00:08:21.360 you online before we wrap up, obviously. But let's talk 173 00:08:21.379 --> 00:08:22.860 a little bit about the band that brought this together 174 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:23.290 for us. 175 00:08:23.300 --> 00:08:24.300 All right, let's do it. 176 00:08:24.910 --> 00:08:26.589 So let's start at the beginning. What was your introduction 177 00:08:26.610 --> 00:08:28.430 to Alkaline? Do you remember the first song or record 178 00:08:28.449 --> 00:08:28.889 that grabbed you? 179 00:08:29.250 --> 00:08:32.269 Yes, I remember the exact moment. So there was a 180 00:08:32.289 --> 00:08:35.419 game called Tony Hawk's Underground. And when I was a 181 00:08:35.480 --> 00:08:38.639 little kid, I loved that game. I was probably eight 182 00:08:38.659 --> 00:08:41.000 years old, eight or nine. It was when LimeWire was 183 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:44.620 still on its heyday. And I remember in the Tony 184 00:08:44.659 --> 00:08:47.159 Hawk games, there's like the little radio. And you can 185 00:08:47.220 --> 00:08:49.350 select songs you don't want and select songs you want. 186 00:08:49.759 --> 00:08:54.250 And Armageddon was in Tony Hawk's Underground. And I remember... for, like, 187 00:08:54.370 --> 00:08:57.210 a week straight, I turned off every song on the 188 00:08:57.289 --> 00:09:00.429 radio except Armageddon, and I would listen to it on 189 00:09:00.549 --> 00:09:04.850 repeat for, like, hours at a time, days at a time, 190 00:09:04.870 --> 00:09:08.250 and I remember thinking, I was like, this is so good. Like, 191 00:09:08.269 --> 00:09:10.629 it was, Akalane Trio, I feel like, is one of 192 00:09:10.649 --> 00:09:13.970 those bands where it's, like, like, in your own little world, 193 00:09:14.009 --> 00:09:15.750 I feel like they were made just for me. You 194 00:09:15.769 --> 00:09:18.519 know what I mean? Like, it scratched every itch, but, uh, 195 00:09:18.539 --> 00:09:21.360 but no, I listened to Armageddon a billion times and 196 00:09:21.399 --> 00:09:23.970 was so infatuated with it that, uh, I then went 197 00:09:24.029 --> 00:09:27.289 on LimeWire and I got Armageddon and then downloaded, uh, 198 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:29.289 From Here to Infirmary in its entirety. And then I 199 00:09:29.340 --> 00:09:32.440 just ran from there, you know, between YouTube and all 200 00:09:32.460 --> 00:09:34.440 types of stuff. Oh, that's awesome. 201 00:09:34.580 --> 00:09:36.440 So it was love at first listen. It wasn't something 202 00:09:36.460 --> 00:09:37.539 that you had to wait for it to grow on. 203 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:41.700 Oh yeah, absolutely. There's definitely bands that, um, I disliked 204 00:09:41.740 --> 00:09:44.019 when I was younger that I like now or, or 205 00:09:44.059 --> 00:09:46.059 the opposite. I liked when I was younger, but Alkaline 206 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:49.230 Trio was, uh, I heard it, and it was, like, 207 00:09:49.519 --> 00:09:52.110 I remember the moment, I remember everything, and it just, 208 00:09:52.309 --> 00:09:55.210 something clicked, and it's just, they've been my favorite band 209 00:09:55.230 --> 00:09:55.570 since then. 210 00:09:56.549 --> 00:09:58.960 Awesome. So I'm a little bit older, um so the 211 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:01.080 the first one that that i heard it was

cooking 212 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:03.259 wine it was on some compilation that came out at 213 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:06.559 probably 97 98 um it had one of my friends 214 00:10:06.580 --> 00:10:08.799 bands on it it had digger on it from from 215 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:10.440 the pennsylvania and i was like that was the scene 216 00:10:10.460 --> 00:10:12.899 that i was big into um and they were they 217 00:10:12.919 --> 00:10:14.759 were on the the second disc of a double disc 218 00:10:14.779 --> 00:10:18.220 it was a six dollar double disc from go-kart records Um, 219 00:10:18.279 --> 00:10:20.720 but it just, it, it blew me away. Um, and 220 00:10:20.740 --> 00:10:22.179 I think it's important to mention that because when we 221 00:10:22.220 --> 00:10:23.759 get into the settlers, we're going to have to decide 222 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:26.019 how much of this is like personal attachments that are 223 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:28.179 influencing our choice. Um, and how much of it is, 224 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:31.860 what's going to be best for, for the set itself. Um, 225 00:10:32.820 --> 00:10:34.879 but speaking on what you just mentioned, I do have 226 00:10:34.919 --> 00:10:37.000 to confess, I've written a couple of anniversary pieces, uh, 227 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:39.570 about maybe I'll catch fire from here to infirmary and 228 00:10:39.590 --> 00:10:41.639 good morning. And when I look back at them, I 229 00:10:41.679 --> 00:10:43.830 noticed that I'm kind of an embarrassment when it comes 230 00:10:43.870 --> 00:10:46.679 to it. because every time Alkaline Trio made a Better 231 00:10:46.700 --> 00:10:49.909 Produce record, I was super pissed off about it. I'm 232 00:10:49.950 --> 00:10:52.669 one of those insufferable bastards who just, they think that 233 00:10:52.690 --> 00:10:56.309 liking a band means that we're a shareholder, and it 234 00:10:56.330 --> 00:10:58.009 took me a little bit. So I was out there 235 00:10:58.029 --> 00:10:59.789 all the time talking about how great God Damn It was, 236 00:11:00.029 --> 00:11:01.490 but I was really listening to Private Eye the whole 237 00:11:01.509 --> 00:11:02.860 fucking time. Oh, yeah. 238 00:11:02.909 --> 00:11:05.120 I mean, God Damn It's incredible. You know what I mean? 239 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:08.000 Private Eye is, too. You know what I mean? 240 00:11:08.039 --> 00:11:09.799 So 25 years later, I've kind of had to admit 241 00:11:09.860 --> 00:11:12.139 that a lot of that music that I was complaining 242 00:11:12.159 --> 00:11:13.200 about was really the music. 243 00:11:13.019 --> 00:11:14.240 That I was coming back to the whole time. 244 00:11:14.909 --> 00:11:17.870 And you mentioned that you've been guilty about that. So 245 00:11:18.210 --> 00:11:20.100 what were some of the bands that you did resent 246 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:22.899 for getting bigger or just that you weren't into when 247 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:25.720 you were younger that now you kind of got way into? 248 00:11:26.419 --> 00:11:28.980 I would say like a band, like when I was younger, 249 00:11:30.139 --> 00:11:33.139 you know, 8 to like 15, 16, like middle school, 250 00:11:33.159 --> 00:11:36.120 high school, my big introduction to, you know, alternative music, 251 00:11:36.279 --> 00:11:39.730 I didn't like All-American Rejects. When I was younger, I 252 00:11:39.750 --> 00:11:41.850 was always like, they're lame, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. 253 00:11:42.509 --> 00:11:44.149 But now that I'm older, it's like, dude, All American 254 00:11:44.169 --> 00:11:46.450 Rejects are pretty fucking good. You know what I mean? Like, 255 00:11:46.789 --> 00:11:49.190 Swing Swing's a banger. Move Along's a banger. Like, I 256 00:11:49.190 --> 00:11:51.730 remember when Gives You Hell came out on the radio 257 00:11:52.269 --> 00:11:53.889 when I was in fifth grade. I remember hearing it 258 00:11:54.070 --> 00:11:55.950 in my mom, and I was like, turn it off. 259 00:11:56.529 --> 00:11:58.730 This is so stupid. And now it's like, I put 260 00:11:58.750 --> 00:12:01.669 that song on all the time. You know what I mean? 261 00:12:01.690 --> 00:12:03.649 Weezer was another one. I don't know why. I don't 262 00:12:03.690 --> 00:12:05.769 even have a reason. I did not like Weezer when 263 00:12:05.809 --> 00:12:09.029 I was younger. I just didn't like him. But now 264 00:12:09.389 --> 00:12:11.970 I like Weezer. Pinkerton's cool. You know what I mean? 265 00:12:13.730 --> 00:12:15.529 So for me, I think that the Maybe I'll Catch 266 00:12:15.549 --> 00:12:17.789 Fire is where Opaline started to really kind of develop 267 00:12:17.809 --> 00:12:21.419 their sound. Infirmary, I think it's where they really perfected it. 268 00:12:21.870 --> 00:12:23.309 And then I think by Good Morning, I think that's 269 00:12:23.350 --> 00:12:25.690 when Dan started to kind of, I don't want to 270 00:12:25.730 --> 00:12:28.350 say he overtook, but he definitely stepped up his game 271 00:12:28.389 --> 00:12:30.720 at a higher level than the step up that Matt 272 00:12:30.740 --> 00:12:31.200 had taken. 273 00:12:31.500 --> 00:12:32.759 He really shined. 274 00:12:32.980 --> 00:12:37.240 Yeah. I know that that last statement might get under 275 00:12:37.259 --> 00:12:40.139 some people's skins, but I really can't pretend like it's 276 00:12:40.159 --> 00:12:42.360 not really what it is. um do you think that 277 00:12:42.379 --> 00:12:44.620 there's a particular record where dan came into his own 278 00:12:45.159 --> 00:12:45.980 is it good morning. 279 00:12:46.700 --> 00:12:51.679 Um i would see that's hard because it's like good 280 00:12:51.740 --> 00:12:55.480 morning my favorite song that dan is the lead is 281 00:12:55.620 --> 00:12:58.450 emma i love that song i think it's that's that's 282 00:12:58.490 --> 00:13:01.470 just my favorite personal no reasons if sands are butts 283 00:13:01.549 --> 00:13:03.470 i love the dual vocals he does where matt does 284

00:13:03.490 --> 00:13:07.889 the harmonies and i love the hook um I don't know, 285 00:13:07.909 --> 00:13:10.850 that's hard. I mean, at least for me, I always 286 00:13:10.909 --> 00:13:14.269 kind of, like, I definitely have a Matt bias. I mean, 287 00:13:14.309 --> 00:13:17.450 Matt Skiba is my personal inspiration as a musician, you 288 00:13:17.470 --> 00:13:18.789 know what I mean? So I definitely have a bias 289 00:13:18.850 --> 00:13:21.490 to Matt songs compared to Dan, which if you look 290 00:13:21.509 --> 00:13:25.970 at my list, I'm sure you can tell. But I 291 00:13:25.990 --> 00:13:30.129 feel like Dan's always been on it, personally. Like, Good 292 00:13:30.169 --> 00:13:32.299 Morning had, I think, a lot of his big tracks, 293 00:13:32.340 --> 00:13:35.360 but like, Maybe I'll Catch Fire, like, You've Got So 294 00:13:35.379 --> 00:13:39.409 Far to Go. was incredible. She took him to the lake, 295 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:41.700 Maybe I'll Catch Fire. Like, there were great songs off 296 00:13:41.740 --> 00:13:43.559 that album where I feel like were just as good 297 00:13:43.639 --> 00:13:47.679 as Good Morning, Infirmary, From Here to Infirmary, Take Lots 298 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:50.220 of Alcohol, Crawl, incredible songs. Even if you want to 299 00:13:50.240 --> 00:13:52.080 go all the way back, I Lied My Face Off is, 300 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:55.000 in my opinion, like top three dance songs. It's incredible. 301 00:13:55.899 --> 00:13:58.919 So I, I don't know. I feel like he's always 302 00:13:58.970 --> 00:14:02.429 been just as on the money as Matt has. You know, 303 00:14:02.490 --> 00:14:04.470 bias or not to who I like more. I never 304 00:14:04.549 --> 00:14:07.330 noticed an album where I thought he got better or worse. 305 00:14:07.370 --> 00:14:07.870 You know what I mean? 306 00:14:08.090 --> 00:14:08.429 Fair enough. 307 00:14:08.490 --> 00:14:08.710 All right. 308 00:14:09.289 --> 00:14:11.129 And then you just saw Alkaline, right? You were at 309 00:14:11.149 --> 00:14:12.269 the Fillmore show with Rise Against? 310 00:14:12.509 --> 00:14:15.210 Yes, I was. It was incredible. It was great. I 311 00:14:15.250 --> 00:14:18.129 loved it. I've caught them every time they've come to 312 00:14:18.149 --> 00:14:20.450 like a Philly adjacent area since I want to say 313 00:14:20.509 --> 00:14:22.669 probably 22, 23. So it's like four times. 314 00:14:23.360 --> 00:14:23.620 Oh, nice. 315 00:14:23.980 --> 00:14:27.299 And every time I just and I have a bias, 316 00:14:27.539 --> 00:14:29.860 but I thought they were great. Like I didn't notice 317 00:14:29.940 --> 00:14:32.740 anything was off. They always sounded good. The crowd was 318 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:34.299 into it. Just a good vibe all around. 319 00:14:35.139 --> 00:14:37.360 Now, we had started talking about doing this before the show, 320 00:14:37.419 --> 00:14:39.779 and then obviously we're doing it afterwards. So was there 321 00:14:39.820 --> 00:14:42.019 anything that seeing them live kind of changed your opinion 322 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:43.299 about the songs you were going to nominate? 323 00:14:45.120 --> 00:14:50.440 Yes. In a way where it's like certain songs were 324 00:14:50.539 --> 00:14:53.299 already on my list, but then when I went and 325 00:14:53.320 --> 00:14:55.860 saw it live more recently, I was like, okay, yeah, 326 00:14:55.879 --> 00:14:57.340 this has got to be. You know what I mean? 327 00:14:57.399 --> 00:14:59.679 I definitely had a song that I just wanted in 328 00:14:59.700 --> 00:15:01.440 the set list that is now I think should be 329 00:15:01.460 --> 00:15:03.899 like an encore song. You know what I mean? So 330 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:08.080 seeing them live definitely, I guess, helps with trying to 331 00:15:08.100 --> 00:15:10.240 put together a set list. I'm sure you've seen them. 332 00:15:10.259 --> 00:15:11.809 It's like a firsthand experience with it. 333 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:17.350 Absolutely, yeah. The last was in 2023, though, with Team 334 00:15:17.370 --> 00:15:17.990 Mortgage as well. 335 00:15:18.529 --> 00:15:20.870 Was that at the one at the Reverb? 336 00:15:21.470 --> 00:15:23.909 It was at the Wellmont in Montclair, New Jersey. I'm 337 00:15:23.929 --> 00:15:24.429 North Jersey. 338 00:15:24.909 --> 00:15:27.350 Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, I saw them at that same tour. 339 00:15:27.990 --> 00:15:29.370 It was in Reading, I believe. 340 00:15:30.549 --> 00:15:32.009 Was there anything that they didn't play that you were 341 00:15:32.110 --> 00:15:32.950 disappointed not to hear? 342 00:15:34.210 --> 00:15:39.360 Um, honestly, that Redding, when they played in 23 in Redding, 343 00:15:39.769 --> 00:15:42.120 it was like, uh, it was right before Blood, Hair, 344 00:15:42.139 --> 00:15:44.240 and Eyeballs came out. So I feel like they just 345 00:15:44.299 --> 00:15:47.139 went in and played their greatest hits. So there isn't, 346 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:49.799 I'd say the only song that I love that I've 347 00:15:49.860 --> 00:15:54.049 never seen them play is, um, Jake Dawn Greenbears. I 348 00:15:54.070 --> 00:15:57.789 love that song. And, uh, the other one, My Friend Peter, 349 00:15:57.950 --> 00:15:58.830 I've never seen them play. 350 00:15:58.970 --> 00:16:00.809 And I've never seen them play either of those as well. Yeah. 351 00:16:01.629 --> 00:16:03.879 All right, so you just saw them, obviously. We've both 352 00:16:03.909 --> 00:16:06.200 seen them quite a few times and know how great 353 00:16:06.220 --> 00:16:07.759 they are at putting together a set list, so now 354 00:16:07.779 --> 00:16:09.860 we're going to pretend like we're better at it and 355 00:16:09.899 --> 00:16:11.440 see if we can build one better than what they do. 356 00:16:11.460 --> 00:16:13.779 So I'm just going to share my screen real quick, 357 00:16:13.799 --> 00:16:17.100 if I can figure out how, and then we'll get 358 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:17.980 going

on this. 359 00:16:18.460 --> 00:16:19.049 Yeah, let's do it. 360 00:16:19.259 --> 00:16:21.740 All right, perfect. All right, so now that I've got 361 00:16:21.759 --> 00:16:22.940 our list in front of us, this is how it's 362 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:26.399 going to work. We each independently nominated 15 songs. We 363 00:16:26.440 --> 00:16:28.179 changed the list beforehand so we didn't have it come 364 00:16:28.639 --> 00:16:32.750 in cold. But we didn't explain our choices when we 365 00:16:32.769 --> 00:16:34.470 did it. So I want both of us to have 366 00:16:34.509 --> 00:16:38.629 time to revisit the music without rehearsing the arguments. Oddly enough, 367 00:16:38.809 --> 00:16:45.340 we both agreed on four songs. Our finished show needs 368 00:16:45.379 --> 00:16:48.120 to run around 80 minutes. And then obviously you need 369 00:16:48.139 --> 00:16:49.539 to give them a chance to breathe, have a sip 370 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:52.120 of water or whatever other thing they want to imbibe. 371 00:16:52.779 --> 00:16:54.700 And then you need to give them time for an 372 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:57.559 encore break as well. And obviously we want the Matt 373 00:16:57.580 --> 00:16:59.529 and Dan balance to be fairly even. It doesn't have 374 00:16:59.549 --> 00:17:01.809 to be perfect, but both singers should be represented pretty well. 375 00:17:02.210 --> 00:17:02.950 Absolutely. 376 00:17:03.070 --> 00:17:05.450 So we have an opening that grabs everybody, a middle 377 00:17:05.470 --> 00:17:07.049 that flows through, a strong main set, just like what 378 00:17:07.089 --> 00:17:09.569 you guys do with Alter Boy, and then add in 379 00:17:09.670 --> 00:17:12.700 a two-song encore at the end. We decided that we 380 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:14.579 don't have to represent every album. We're building the best 381 00:17:14.619 --> 00:17:17.299 possible concert, not checking the boxes. And we're each going 382 00:17:17.319 --> 00:17:19.099 to get one lock and one veto on the song. 383 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:21.339 So one song that can't get cut and one song 384 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:24.670 that can get cut no matter what. We just aren't 385 00:17:24.690 --> 00:17:27.980 going to reveal those quite yet. If we both decide 386 00:17:28.000 --> 00:17:31.380 that we've left off some great song that we shouldn't have, 387 00:17:31.440 --> 00:17:33.329 like I personally, I left off Radio on it, hoping 388 00:17:33.349 --> 00:17:36.089 that you were going to. But if you hadn't, then 389 00:17:36.130 --> 00:17:37.509 that would be a time where we kind of add 390 00:17:37.549 --> 00:17:39.769 that in at the end. But doing that obviously has 391 00:17:39.809 --> 00:17:41.589 to cut something out from our other list. 392 00:17:41.930 --> 00:17:42.809 Yep. 393 00:17:43.509 --> 00:17:45.940 So I'm just going to make marks in the spreadsheet here, 394 00:17:45.980 --> 00:17:47.900 and that way we can build everything together. And then 395 00:17:47.920 --> 00:17:49.380 we'll move it all over to the final set list 396 00:17:49.460 --> 00:17:50.759 and arrange a sequence. Does that sound fair? 397 00:17:51.140 --> 00:17:52.960 Yeah, let's do it. I'm down. Awesome. 398 00:17:52.980 --> 00:17:54.579 Let's see how long we can get this agreement to last. 399 00:17:56.150 --> 00:17:59.349 So the four songs that we each nominated, it was Cringe, 400 00:17:59.390 --> 00:18:01.049 it was Stupid Kid, I Lied My Face Off, and 401 00:18:01.069 --> 00:18:03.049 This Could Be Love. I'm kind of surprised that we 402 00:18:03.089 --> 00:18:05.970 only had the four overlaps. I'm not surprised that these 403 00:18:06.029 --> 00:18:08.660 were the four, but I am surprised that there was 404 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:09.079 only four. 405 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:11.160 Like I said earlier, that's like a top three dance 406 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:13.000 song for me. I think that song just has so 407 00:18:13.059 --> 00:18:16.740 much personality and attitude in it. 408 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:22.619 Yeah, absolutely. So of the four, which was the easiest 409 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:24.349 to include for you, and which is going to be 410 00:18:24.369 --> 00:18:25.630 the most painful if we have to lose it? 411 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:31.259 Easiest was Cringe. I think it starts their first album. 412 00:18:31.880 --> 00:18:34.240 It's such a good song. It grabs anyone who listens 413 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:38.759 to Goddammit for the first time. I think it's a 414 00:18:38.779 --> 00:18:42.269 perfect set opener. That's my personal opinion. I think it 415 00:18:42.329 --> 00:18:46.609 sets a tone. It's fast. It's fun. It's punk. You 416 00:18:46.630 --> 00:18:48.589 know what I mean? So Cringe was definitely the easiest 417 00:18:48.670 --> 00:18:50.009 for me. Awesome. 418 00:18:50.589 --> 00:18:52.869 So starting with Cringe, obviously it's the first song on 419 00:18:52.890 --> 00:18:55.779 Goddammit like you mentioned. and it's probably the best introduction 420 00:18:55.859 --> 00:18:57.799 to Alkaline that really comes out. It comes out of 421 00:18:57.819 --> 00:18:59.799 the gate really strong with a bit of urgency that 422 00:18:59.819 --> 00:19:05.509 made the earlier records so fantastic. Would you have Cringe 423 00:19:05.690 --> 00:19:07.029 as an opener, or would you save it for somewhere 424 00:19:07.049 --> 00:19:10.230 in the middle? Personally, I would put it in the middle. Okay. 425 00:19:10.329 --> 00:19:13.569 I mean, I would say opener only because it opens 426 00:19:13.609 --> 00:19:15.430 the album. It sets a great tone, so I feel 427 00:19:15.470 --> 00:19:18.900 like live, you walk out there and you just go 428 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:21.079 right into that. Anyone who knows it's going to snap, 429 00:19:21.200 --> 00:19:23.789 and even if you don't know it, it's... It just 430 00:19:23.849 --> 00:19:26.349 kicks into high gear immediately. 431 00:19:27.390 --> 00:19:30.369 So that's the same reason why

I want to include 432 00:19:30.390 --> 00:19:31.549 it a little bit further on. So I think that 433 00:19:31.569 --> 00:19:33.380 it's a really good opener for an encore. 434 00:19:34.390 --> 00:19:34.859 Okay. 435 00:19:34.880 --> 00:19:37.579 One of those ones that you're not necessarily expecting, but 436 00:19:37.599 --> 00:19:39.099 it's one of the ones that you can't miss either. 437 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:41.150 And as soon as they come back out on the stage, 438 00:19:41.150 --> 00:19:43.630 they finish their little game of peekaboo, they come back 439 00:19:43.630 --> 00:19:45.690 out and they start the encore, I think that that's 440 00:19:45.690 --> 00:19:46.710 the the best way to do it. 441 00:19:47.009 --> 00:19:48.839 I could see that it would wake everybody up too 442 00:19:48.970 --> 00:19:51.359 absolutely yeah i think i could get down with that 443 00:19:51.460 --> 00:19:54.359 i could i could agree to that so we're. 444 00:19:54.279 --> 00:19:55.900 Going to include that one as being one of the 445 00:19:55.980 --> 00:19:57.779 uh the songs that we that we both agreed on 446 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:01.880 obviously um next up then we have uh we have 447 00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:04.880 stupid kid and we have uh this could be love 448 00:20:05.079 --> 00:20:07.680 and i lie my face off um this could be 449 00:20:07.700 --> 00:20:10.089 love is one of the songs that's it should have 450 00:20:10.170 --> 00:20:13.650 a specific role in the set. Um, I think that 451 00:20:13.710 --> 00:20:16.650 it should either be the, the opener or the, or 452 00:20:16.690 --> 00:20:19.039 the main set closer, not, not part of the encore, 453 00:20:19.059 --> 00:20:21.299 but the main set closer. Um, and that's just because 454 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:25.779 it's so dramatic. It's catchy. It's literally, it's fucking unhinged. Um, 455 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:28.039 is there a particular place that you would like to 456 00:20:28.079 --> 00:20:28.289 hear it? 457 00:20:29.539 --> 00:20:32.259 Um, I, I could get down with it being the 458 00:20:32.299 --> 00:20:34.220 main set closer. I feel like this could be love 459 00:20:34.279 --> 00:20:40.299 is like, uh, Like, to me, that's like their true sound. Like, 460 00:20:40.380 --> 00:20:42.480 when you think Outline Trio and you think of their 461 00:20:42.519 --> 00:20:45.519 aesthetic and their lyrical content, I feel like that song 462 00:20:45.579 --> 00:20:49.180 is a perfect representation of that band as a whole. 463 00:20:50.539 --> 00:20:51.980 Yeah, 100%. 464 00:20:51.980 --> 00:20:52.240 I agree. 465 00:20:52.259 --> 00:20:54.160 I think it really encapsulates who they are. 466 00:20:54.779 --> 00:20:57.599 Like, I think, I would agree. I mean, I'm going 467 00:20:57.619 --> 00:21:00.009 to agree with you there. We're off to a good start. 468 00:21:00.089 --> 00:21:02.069 I would say that would be a great set opener 469 00:21:02.529 --> 00:21:04.730 or a main set closer. I definitely think that's one 470 00:21:04.769 --> 00:21:07.430 of their, like, heavy hitters for sure i i could 471 00:21:08.809 --> 00:21:11.079 i would agree with that anywhere i can be flexible. 472 00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:12.940 On that one and then we both got stupid kid 473 00:21:12.960 --> 00:21:15.539 and i lied my face off super different songs um 474 00:21:15.799 --> 00:21:17.619 but i think that they both are a little bit 475 00:21:17.660 --> 00:21:19.960 essential in terms of their where they fall in the 476 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:22.259 catalog you see either one of those as being an 477 00:21:22.319 --> 00:21:24.240 untouchable track or is it something that that one of 478 00:21:24.279 --> 00:21:25.480 us is going to have to defend a little bit 479 00:21:25.500 --> 00:21:25.880 longer i. 480 00:21:26.500 --> 00:21:29.440 Think stupid kid should definitely be in there that's okay 481 00:21:29.660 --> 00:21:34.630 i think that's definitely a um definitely one of the 482 00:21:34.670 --> 00:21:36.970 standouts for from here to infirmary. 483 00:21:38.190 --> 00:21:39.779 And then the video is great pretty sure that was 484 00:21:39.799 --> 00:21:40.740 why the video yeah. 485 00:21:42.259 --> 00:21:44.319 Yeah i i would say stupid kid i lied my 486 00:21:44.359 --> 00:21:47.000 face off i would say that's more of like i 487 00:21:47.140 --> 00:21:53.039 personally like that song um i i wouldn't say it's 488 00:21:53.240 --> 00:21:59.140 as strong as say like cringe or this could be love. 489 00:21:59.359 --> 00:22:00.920 Like I would put that maybe in the middle of 490 00:22:00.960 --> 00:22:03.079 the set list somewhere, but I do like that song. 491 00:22:03.099 --> 00:22:04.619 I would say it's more of a standout for Dan 492 00:22:04.680 --> 00:22:05.019 for sure. 493 00:22:05.799 --> 00:22:09.440 Yeah. All right. Makes sense. Um, so, so we kind 494 00:22:09.460 --> 00:22:10.839 of went through the easy part. That's, that's where we 495 00:22:10.859 --> 00:22:12.859 knew that we were going to agree. Uh, so all 496 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:14.319 four of those for now, I've got them all as, 497 00:22:14.480 --> 00:22:17.119 as carrying over into the final set list. Um, but 498 00:22:17.160 --> 00:22:18.920 I think now it's time for you to defend your songs. 499 00:22:18.940 --> 00:22:23.049 So you, uh, you had radio Armageddon, hell yes, Sadie, Warbrain, Emma, 500 00:22:23.109 --> 00:22:25.859 bad time. Is this thing, is this thing cursed? Jake 501 00:22:25.880 --> 00:22:29.700 Dunn Greenbeer's Time to Waste and Oblivion. Now I want 502 00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:31.519 to start off with a simple question. Which one of 503 00:22:31.559 --> 00:22:34.819 those are you most offended that I didn't include? 504 00:22:35.799 --> 00:22:38.549 That you didn't include? Probably Warbrain. 505 00:22:39.180 --> 00:22:39.269 Okay. 506 00:22:39.289 --> 00:22:44.789 Probably Warbrain. I mean, my personal favorite is Armageddon. I 507 00:22:45.170 --> 00:22:48.509 love that

song. It hits something personal for me. I 508 00:22:48.569 --> 00:22:51.369 think it's catchy. I think it's fun. I think it's aggressive. 509 00:22:51.529 --> 00:22:53.410 I think it's every time I've seen it live, the 510 00:22:53.470 --> 00:22:57.500 room has exploded. But Warbrain, to me, I feel like 511 00:22:57.539 --> 00:23:01.599 is such an essential Alkaline Trio song. You know what 512 00:23:01.619 --> 00:23:01.880 I mean? 513 00:23:02.720 --> 00:23:03.380 Yeah, absolutely. 514 00:23:03.539 --> 00:23:06.309 So I would say Warbrain, because a lot of them 515 00:23:06.390 --> 00:23:08.589 are personal, a lot of them are more like a couple. 516 00:23:08.650 --> 00:23:11.589 I was like, oh, well, like Radio. I like Radio. 517 00:23:12.109 --> 00:23:15.650 Maybe I've heard it so many times. I included that 518 00:23:15.710 --> 00:23:17.549 because I was like, that's their number one song. You 519 00:23:17.569 --> 00:23:20.619 can't not play Radio. You know what I mean? Yeah. 520 00:23:20.630 --> 00:23:22.700 I definitely think there's better songs, but. 521 00:23:23.619 --> 00:23:26.759 I don't disagree, and I do love the song, but 522 00:23:26.779 --> 00:23:29.259 I don't think that it's their best. Obviously, we only 523 00:23:29.299 --> 00:23:30.940 had so many spots that we could do, which is 524 00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:33.250 why it stayed off of mine. But my question when 525 00:23:33.289 --> 00:23:36.430 it comes to that, obviously, it's the definitive Outline Closer, 526 00:23:37.569 --> 00:23:39.029 but do you think that that's more just because it's 527 00:23:39.089 --> 00:23:40.650 the best song for them to end with, or is 528 00:23:40.690 --> 00:23:42.829 it because it's what we've all become accustomed to? 529 00:23:42.849 --> 00:23:48.410 I would definitely say it's... we've become accustomed to it. 530 00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:53.720 I don't think radio is a strong closer, personally. You 531 00:23:53.740 --> 00:23:57.240 don't want to end... It definitely picks up, but, like, 532 00:23:57.400 --> 00:24:03.130 I don't know. It's too slow-paced for me to end 533 00:24:03.170 --> 00:24:06.210 my set. Like, I'm always a big... I've always been 534 00:24:06.230 --> 00:24:08.170 a firm believer, and same thing with Alterboy. Like, you 535 00:24:08.230 --> 00:24:12.049 end your set as big and loud as possible, and 536 00:24:12.190 --> 00:24:15.089 I just don't think radio is that song, personally. 537 00:24:15.529 --> 00:24:19.740 I could see that. I do think that it's not 538 00:24:19.779 --> 00:24:20.480 the best closer. 539 00:24:20.500 --> 00:24:21.299 Mm-hmm. 540 00:24:21.740 --> 00:24:23.569 But I think that if they ever left it out 541 00:24:24.089 --> 00:24:25.410 of a show or even if they put it in 542 00:24:25.450 --> 00:24:27.289 a different spot, I feel like there might be riots 543 00:24:27.349 --> 00:24:30.450 just because we all know where to expect that one track. 544 00:24:32.730 --> 00:24:34.769 You also nominated Hell Yes and Jake Don't Great Beers, 545 00:24:35.609 --> 00:24:37.329 Green Beers. I know you mentioned that you'd never heard 546 00:24:37.369 --> 00:24:41.809 Jake live before. And I appreciate both of those songs 547 00:24:41.849 --> 00:24:44.829 because it's not what a casual fan would think of first. 548 00:24:44.869 --> 00:24:47.769 But do you think that Alkali needs to make room 549 00:24:47.789 --> 00:24:49.230 for the deep cuts or should we be thinking about 550 00:24:49.269 --> 00:24:50.710 what works best in the room for everybody? 551 00:24:51.630 --> 00:24:53.849 I mean, I definitely think there should at least be 552 00:24:54.430 --> 00:24:56.049 one or two deep cuts in there. You know what 553 00:24:56.089 --> 00:24:58.970 I mean? You should definitely, like any band, you should 554 00:24:58.990 --> 00:25:04.069 definitely play your hits because the super fans know the song, 555 00:25:04.130 --> 00:25:08.990 the casuals will know most of them, and even brand 556 00:25:09.009 --> 00:25:11.359 new people you want to rope it in, use your 557 00:25:11.380 --> 00:25:14.500 strong songs. But I definitely think you should have a 558 00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:18.279 couple deep cuts in a set because for the super fans, 559 00:25:18.460 --> 00:25:20.240 it makes it, You know, that's what they're going to 560 00:25:20.259 --> 00:25:22.420 go home and talk about. That's what's going to keep 561 00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:24.420 them coming back. And I also think it keeps the 562 00:25:24.440 --> 00:25:29.160 set list just fresh. You know, I've seen a lot 563 00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:31.349 of bands where they just played the hits and then 564 00:25:31.390 --> 00:25:33.990 walked off. I'm like, look, I get it. And I 565 00:25:34.029 --> 00:25:36.309 like those songs too. But if you're playing the same 566 00:25:36.349 --> 00:25:38.230 set list every single time, I'm going to reach a 567 00:25:38.250 --> 00:25:39.289 point where I'm like, all right, I don't want to 568 00:25:39.309 --> 00:25:42.670 see them anymore. I kind of know the show already. 569 00:25:42.690 --> 00:25:44.289 You know what I mean? So I definitely think having 570 00:25:44.329 --> 00:25:48.079 a deep cut is... It's special. It's special. And I've 571 00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:51.819 definitely seen rooms come alive on songs. Like, I saw 572 00:25:51.859 --> 00:25:57.099 them a couple years ago. I want to say it 573 00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:01.890 was October of 25 I saw them in Allentown, and 574 00:26:01.930 --> 00:26:03.869 they played Fuck You, Aurora, which not a lot of 575 00:26:03.910 --> 00:26:07.630 people know. And the room was on fire. You know 576 00:26:07.650 --> 00:26:09.990 what I mean? Awesome. So I definitely think you should 577 00:26:10.009 --> 00:26:12.420 have a couple. You shouldn't overload the set, but have 578 00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:14.059 a few in there for the super fans. You know 579 00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:16.220 what I mean? I agree. 580 00:26:16.240 -->

00:26:20.920 I think that there's a benefit to not just playing 581 00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:24.099 into everyone's expectations and to keeping everyone on their toes. 582 00:26:25.079 --> 00:26:26.140 That's how you keep the shows fresh. 583 00:26:26.740 --> 00:26:27.180 I agree. 584 00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:30.690 I think that Emma is on your list, and that's 585 00:26:30.789 --> 00:26:33.809 a pretty interesting choice. I know that you said that 586 00:26:33.950 --> 00:26:36.869 it was your essential Dan song, but what does it 587 00:26:36.910 --> 00:26:38.890 bring to the show that some of the other Dan 588 00:26:38.930 --> 00:26:40.890 nominations might not bring along to it? 589 00:26:43.269 --> 00:26:47.180 I would say... it's Emma and I'll make the same 590 00:26:47.259 --> 00:26:50.559 argument for Is This Thing Cursed because it's why I 591 00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:53.519 nominated it's specifically why I nominated Is This Thing Cursed 592 00:26:53.660 --> 00:26:55.839 Emma I just love that song I think the hook 593 00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:59.059 is great I think it's a Dan led song but 594 00:26:59.140 --> 00:27:03.380 both songs have such good like dual vocals like backups 595 00:27:03.609 --> 00:27:06.950 you know what I mean so I think live you 596 00:27:06.990 --> 00:27:10.130 know having two completely different vocal styles and melodies I 597 00:27:10.190 --> 00:27:13.369 think it adds a lot of power to the room 598 00:27:13.690 --> 00:27:17.500 you know what I mean Yeah. So it's not just 599 00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:20.039 one guy singing the whole time. I think they're good 600 00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:23.420 dual songs, you know what I mean? Same thing, you 601 00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:26.319 could argue about Mercy Me as a Matt-led song, but 602 00:27:26.359 --> 00:27:29.819 Dan comes in with the last few lines of the chorus, 603 00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:31.700 and I think it's a perfect trade-off, you know what 604 00:27:31.720 --> 00:27:33.849 I mean? Mm-hmm. 605 00:27:33.920 --> 00:27:36.789 So you also mentioned Is This Thing Cursed, and between that, 606 00:27:36.849 --> 00:27:41.180 Bad Time, Oblivion, you're definitely making room for the different eras. Uh, 607 00:27:41.500 --> 00:27:43.619 do you think that, that the longtime fans get so 608 00:27:43.660 --> 00:27:46.119 attached to the early records that we don't give newer 609 00:27:46.140 --> 00:27:48.339 material a fair share? I know that I, I admitted 610 00:27:48.380 --> 00:27:51.440 that I did it quite a bit. Um, but is 611 00:27:51.500 --> 00:27:52.380 it still the case you think? 612 00:27:53.299 --> 00:27:55.359 Uh, no, I, I mean, I would disagree. I mean, 613 00:27:55.500 --> 00:27:58.680 I can only speak for myself. Um, I got into 614 00:27:58.759 --> 00:28:04.589 Alkaline Trio, I want to say 2008, 2009. You know, 615 00:28:04.740 --> 00:28:07.670 I'm a little, I'm a little, I'm a little younger. 616 00:28:07.710 --> 00:28:10.240 I was born in 97. Um, So I want to 617 00:28:10.259 --> 00:28:12.480 say Agony and Irony was their newest album when I 618 00:28:12.519 --> 00:28:16.799 got into them. And... I mean, maybe I have a 619 00:28:16.839 --> 00:28:18.740 bias because I got into them at a certain time 620 00:28:18.779 --> 00:28:21.099 and all their old stuff was great, but to me, 621 00:28:21.180 --> 00:28:23.380 I guess they were a new band, so I know 622 00:28:23.420 --> 00:28:25.460 it's a hot take to some. I think My Shame 623 00:28:25.549 --> 00:28:30.529 is True is incredible. I love that album. And I 624 00:28:30.569 --> 00:28:32.930 think the reason I like Alkaline Trio, why I would 625 00:28:32.970 --> 00:28:35.430 say they're different than a Blink or a Green Day, 626 00:28:35.710 --> 00:28:38.390 as much as I do love those bands, Alkaline to 627 00:28:38.450 --> 00:28:42.990 me is... they never had, like, a peak. Like, you 628 00:28:43.009 --> 00:28:44.829 look at Blink, and you're like, and with the state 629 00:28:44.849 --> 00:28:47.789 soft title, it's the best. Everything after it, if you 630 00:28:47.809 --> 00:28:49.650 like it, you like it. Where I feel like Alkaline Trio, 631 00:28:49.690 --> 00:28:53.039 it's like they've always, in my opinion, they've never put 632 00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:55.920 out a bad album. Like, Bad Time off Blood, Hair, 633 00:28:55.940 --> 00:28:57.799 and Eyeballs is one of my favorite songs by them. 634 00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:03.200 I think that song is incredible. I think Oblivion is incredible. 635 00:29:03.710 --> 00:29:05.650 You know what I mean? Like, they're not a band... 636 00:29:05.470 --> 00:29:06.849 And I can only speak for myself. I would like 637 00:29:06.869 --> 00:29:09.150 to think I'm a longtime fan. You know, I'm almost 638 00:29:09.150 --> 00:29:12.950 20 years. And I... Like, their newest songs they're coming 639 00:29:12.990 --> 00:29:14.759 out with, I still get excited. I think Blood, Hair, 640 00:29:14.779 --> 00:29:17.940 and Eyeballs was a fantastic album. You know what I mean? 641 00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:20.180 I think it's better than some of their older albums. 642 00:29:20.500 --> 00:29:23.039 I would argue the middle of their catalog is their weakest, 643 00:29:23.180 --> 00:29:23.680 in my opinion. 644 00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:26.880 I would agree. So I definitely feel like Blood... You know, 645 00:29:26.980 --> 00:29:30.160 the latest records have been a significant step back in 646 00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:32.339 a positive direction, whereas... I don't want to say it 647 00:29:32.380 --> 00:29:34.470 was a downfall, but there was definitely a downward trend 648 00:29:34.509 --> 00:29:36.369 in terms of what we were getting for a little bit. 649 00:29:36.930 --> 00:29:40.259 and it's wonderful that they came back so well so 650 00:29:40.299 --> 00:29:45.339 hard so recently yeah so I'm going to put you 651 00:29:45.359 --> 00:29:47.059 in a difficult position here for a little bit and 652 00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:49.559 you've got

your 11 tracks on here so once again 653 00:29:49.579 --> 00:29:52.920 it's Radio, Armageddon, Hell Yes, Sadie, Warbrain, Emma, Bad Time, 654 00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:58.210 Is This Thing Cursed which three are you which three 655 00:29:58.230 --> 00:29:59.529 would you fight the hardest to keep on the. 656 00:29:59.490 --> 00:30:06.349 List Armageddon hands down that would be if I can 657 00:30:06.369 --> 00:30:09.289 do my lock in I'll tell you now it's Armageddon 658 00:30:09.769 --> 00:30:15.849 I will never budge on that song I would say 659 00:30:16.230 --> 00:30:21.150 I'd probably fight for Warbrain and this is hard man 660 00:30:29.089 --> 00:30:34.009 I'll fight for Hell Yes I could, I'll be flexible 661 00:30:34.109 --> 00:30:37.009 on Hell Yes. Like, I understand it's not for everyone, 662 00:30:37.869 --> 00:30:40.299 but I personally really enjoy that song. I think the 663 00:30:40.339 --> 00:30:44.980 lyrics are incredible. I think they tell two different stories, 664 00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:48.220 so I'll fight for that one solely just because I 665 00:30:48.259 --> 00:30:50.180 love the lyrics in that song. All right. 666 00:30:51.420 --> 00:30:53.890 No better reason than for what it actually says, so. 667 00:30:54.109 --> 00:30:54.829 Mm-hmm. 668 00:30:55.289 --> 00:30:57.829 And now it's my turn, so my tracks, it was 669 00:30:57.970 --> 00:30:59.730 Cooking Wine, like I mentioned earlier. That was the first 670 00:30:59.789 --> 00:31:01.630 one that I had heard of theirs. but fuck you 671 00:31:01.710 --> 00:31:04.730 Aurora private eye we've had enough mercy me blood hair 672 00:31:04.769 --> 00:31:06.490 and eyeballs maybe I'll catch fire she took him to 673 00:31:06.509 --> 00:31:09.559 the lake take pots with alcohol crawl and 100 stories 674 00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:12.359 um and I want to start with cooking wine I 675 00:31:12.380 --> 00:31:14.099 mentioned it earlier it was the first track I heard 676 00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:17.180 so there's a severe emotional attachment when it comes to 677 00:31:17.200 --> 00:31:20.579 that song um but that's kind of what the exercise 678 00:31:20.779 --> 00:31:25.289 makes complicated so if we're building the ultimate concert just 679 00:31:25.349 --> 00:31:27.609 for me then 1000% that song has to be there 680 00:31:28.309 --> 00:31:30.609 um But I'm not sure that our personal relationships with 681 00:31:30.630 --> 00:31:32.430 the songs should carry as much weight as I might 682 00:31:32.450 --> 00:31:35.509 be giving it. Because Cooking Wine is not necessarily going 683 00:31:35.529 --> 00:31:37.450 to be on, I wouldn't say it's not going to 684 00:31:37.470 --> 00:31:38.509 be on everyone's list. I'm going to say it's not 685 00:31:38.529 --> 00:31:41.369 going to be on almost everybody's list. But it's a 686 00:31:41.390 --> 00:31:43.039 huge part of why we're here talking about the band 687 00:31:43.099 --> 00:31:45.900 right now. So how much does the personal significance matter

688 00:31:45.940 --> 00:31:47.180 to you when you're choosing the songs? 689 00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:51.279 I mean, it's definitely a struggle. You know what I mean? Especially, 690 00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:54.880 I'm sure you can relate, someone who's like a longtime fan. 691 00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:58.920 you feel like you're more, I guess, educated in the band. 692 00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:00.559 Do you know what I mean? So it's like, you 693 00:32:00.579 --> 00:32:03.660 have a stronger connection, a stronger attachment. So it's like, 694 00:32:04.420 --> 00:32:05.819 you know, you meet a kid who the only song 695 00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:07.640 they know is Mercy Me. You're like, oh, fuck you, dude. 696 00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:09.079 You know what I mean? Like, you don't know what 697 00:32:09.140 --> 00:32:13.460 you're talking about. But it's definitely hard. You know what 698 00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:15.140 I mean? It's a bias. You know what I mean? 699 00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:17.480 Like I said, hell yes, I personally love, but I 700 00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:21.279 can understand why it's not on everyone's, like how you 701 00:32:21.299 --> 00:32:24.240 said with Cooking Wine, where Armageddon, I'm just, I can't. 702 00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:24.769 I can't. 703 00:32:25.849 --> 00:32:29.859 I personally cannot budge on that song. I just love it. 704 00:32:29.930 --> 00:32:32.150 I think it's great. I think it's an essential. So 705 00:32:32.230 --> 00:32:35.829 it's definitely a struggle. And I feel like that's with anything. 706 00:32:35.890 --> 00:32:38.839 Music and art is subjective. It's all opinion. You know 707 00:32:38.859 --> 00:32:41.140 what I mean? No one's right or wrong. So it's 708 00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:44.920 definitely difficult. I feel like that's what makes it special. 709 00:32:45.339 --> 00:32:45.700 I'm sorry. 710 00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:47.519 I'm going to have to stop because one of us 711 00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:48.759 is going to have to be right and one of 712 00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:53.450 us is going to have to be wrong. And for me, 713 00:32:53.750 --> 00:32:56.789 the song, it's 100 stories. Um, I just, I fucking 714 00:32:56.829 --> 00:32:59.269 love the song. It's, you know, I, I said it earlier, 715 00:32:59.390 --> 00:33:01.589 argued that that good morning is the record where his, 716 00:33:01.789 --> 00:33:04.779 his songwriting really took over. Um, and I think that's 717 00:33:04.819 --> 00:33:07.220 the reason why it's that track. And just immediately, it's 718 00:33:07.259 --> 00:33:10.940 got such a good combination of melody tension. There's emotional weight. Um, 719 00:33:11.059 --> 00:33:14.140 and I think that Dan does it so incredibly well. Um, 720 00:33:14.779 --> 00:33:16.609 and I think that it fits beautifully right into the 721 00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:18.930 middle of any set. Uh, but I noticed it didn't 722 00:33:18.970 --> 00:33:21.549 make your list. So explain yourself. 723 00:33:22.970 --> 00:33:25.799 Um, I mean, I think it's a great song. It's 724 00:33:25.819 --> 00:33:28.660 like I said, it's hard. I definitely love that song. 725 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:32.720 I've never had a personal attachment to it. I don't 726 00:33:32.779 --> 00:33:35.900 dislike it by any means. I would just say, like, 727 00:33:35.940 --> 00:33:38.279 of my 15, I wouldn't rank it as high as, 728 00:33:39.380 --> 00:33:45.019 you know, Sadie or something. I love that song. But, 729 00:33:45.059 --> 00:33:46.859 I mean, I would definitely say it's a standout for Dan. 730 00:33:46.940 --> 00:33:48.759 Like I said, I have a map bias, so it's 731 00:33:48.819 --> 00:33:51.670 hard for me because, like, I... You know, I have, like, 732 00:33:51.710 --> 00:33:53.279 a playlist on my phone that I listen to all 733 00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:56.380 the time that's, like, my best of OutKline trio. And it's, like, 734 00:33:56.380 --> 00:33:59.559 85 songs and probably, like, close to 70 are Matt. 735 00:33:59.680 --> 00:34:02.180 You know what I mean? Right. But I definitely hold 736 00:34:02.220 --> 00:34:04.859 a bias. So I think my bias is definitely a 737 00:34:06.549 --> 00:34:10.849 big player. But, like, if you're vetoing– not vetoing. If 738 00:34:10.869 --> 00:34:12.730 you're locking in that song, I'm not arguing with you. 739 00:34:12.769 --> 00:34:13.510 That's a great fucking song. 740 00:34:13.590 --> 00:34:14.670 It is actually my fucking song. 741 00:34:15.070 --> 00:34:17.929 Yeah, let's do it. I got no arguments. 742 00:34:19.340 --> 00:34:22.199 But I don't want there to be... I'm worried that 743 00:34:22.739 --> 00:34:24.699 with the biases that we both have, because obviously, like 744 00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:28.179 I said, if Dan didn't really catch up until good 745 00:34:28.219 --> 00:34:31.170 morning for me, I do kind of worry that we're 746 00:34:31.190 --> 00:34:32.829 going to have a set that looks a little bit 747 00:34:32.869 --> 00:34:34.909 like Matt's playing the show and then Dan kind of 748 00:34:34.949 --> 00:34:39.829 walks up to the microphone occasionally. And that has something 749 00:34:39.849 --> 00:34:42.030 to do with why I included Catch Fire and Took 750 00:34:42.070 --> 00:34:44.869 Off to the Lake and Lots With Alcohol, Crawl, and 751 00:34:44.889 --> 00:34:46.719 then obviously we both included Lie My Face Off. 752 00:34:47.070 --> 00:34:49.329 That was the exact reason I did that, too. 753 00:34:50.329 --> 00:34:52.389 But I do believe that without Dan, I think that 754 00:34:52.489 --> 00:34:54.690 Alkaline is significantly less interesting. 755 00:34:55.190 --> 00:34:55.949 Oh, without a doubt. 756 00:34:56.219 --> 00:34:59.320 To the early records, and there's an argument that can 757 00:34:59.340 --> 00:35:01.460 be made that he's just playing every note that the 758 00:35:01.480 --> 00:35:05.159 bass can play. But do you worry that, or do 759 00:35:05.179 --> 00:35:07.300 you ever wonder if Dan gets overlooked

when fans start 760 00:35:07.340 --> 00:35:08.179 talking about The Essential? 761 00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:11.440 Oh, absolutely. You know what I mean? And I can 762 00:35:11.460 --> 00:35:14.179 be guilty of it sometimes, because it's like, like I said, 763 00:35:14.260 --> 00:35:17.230 I think I have more of like, There's so many 764 00:35:17.349 --> 00:35:21.050 Matt songs I like, but the Dan songs are just 765 00:35:21.150 --> 00:35:23.630 so good. Like, one song that we both left off 766 00:35:23.670 --> 00:35:26.110 that I put on but took it off and I 767 00:35:26.130 --> 00:35:28.289 was fighting with is You've Got So Far To Go. 768 00:35:28.309 --> 00:35:33.199 Because that song is... I think Dan's voice is great. Lyrically, 769 00:35:33.360 --> 00:35:38.460 it's so emotional. It's good. It paints a picture perfect. 770 00:35:38.860 --> 00:35:43.219 His bass playing's great. I definitely think Dan gets overlooked. 771 00:35:44.570 --> 00:35:47.860 And you can see that with... Like, Blink-182 or bands 772 00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:50.980 like that, it's like, it's Mark and Tom, but, you know, 773 00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:54.179 so many people love Tom DeLonge. Like, he's the guy. 774 00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:57.579 He is Blink-182. So I definitely think they suffer the 775 00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:01.849 same thing where it's like, yeah, I think Dan can 776 00:36:01.869 --> 00:36:04.750 get overlooked. It wouldn't work without him. He's the perfect, 777 00:36:05.769 --> 00:36:07.590 he's perfect balance. You know what I mean? 778 00:36:07.630 --> 00:36:10.090 Yeah. And you mentioned you got so far to go, 779 00:36:10.159 --> 00:36:12.719 so that was actually the last one that I crossed 780 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:14.119 out when I was making up my set list. 781 00:36:14.440 --> 00:36:16.900 So was mine, yep. So was mine. 782 00:36:18.380 --> 00:36:20.480 Now when it comes to Private Eye, I wrote up 783 00:36:20.539 --> 00:36:22.219 about From Here to Infirmary, I mentioned it, that I 784 00:36:22.260 --> 00:36:24.179 was a complete asshole about it when it came out. 785 00:36:25.099 --> 00:36:26.940 I felt like it was too accessible, it was too polished. 786 00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:31.360 But I think that that album might really be where 787 00:36:31.380 --> 00:36:34.820 they perfected the balance between the urgency of punk and 788 00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:36.860 then the songwriting of a pop star. 789 00:36:37.480 --> 00:36:37.920 Oh, yeah. 790 00:36:38.340 --> 00:36:40.840 So I was super surprised that Private Eye didn't make 791 00:36:41.059 --> 00:36:43.800 your top 15. Was that one of the ones that 792 00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:45.829 was at the bottom of your list to cut, or 793 00:36:46.570 --> 00:36:48.530 do you just not think that it fits in? 794 00:36:48.750 --> 00:36:51.610 No, I mean, it definitely fits in. It's like radio. 795 00:36:51.670 --> 00:36:54.530 You can't not play Private Eye, and I understand that. 796 00:36:55.130 --> 00:36:57.210 And I wouldn't argue against it. I guess it's just 797 00:36:57.250 --> 00:36:59.110 for me personally, it's like I said, and I'll make 798 00:36:59.150 --> 00:37:01.909 the same argument for Mercy Me, it's like maybe I've 799 00:37:01.949 --> 00:37:05.079 just heard it so many times to where it's like, 800 00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:08.900 not to blink again, but it's like, We've all heard 801 00:37:09.059 --> 00:37:10.980 All the Small Things and What's My Age Again a 802 00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:13.719 billion times. So when you listen to Blink-182, if that 803 00:37:13.739 --> 00:37:15.179 song comes on, you're going to skip it. You know 804 00:37:15.219 --> 00:37:19.929 what I mean? Private Eye, lyrically, I think is genius. 805 00:37:20.090 --> 00:37:25.190 I mean, it's a quintessential Alkaline Trio song for goddamn sure. 806 00:37:25.250 --> 00:37:27.389 But I guess just to me, I've heard it so 807 00:37:27.449 --> 00:37:29.630 much and maybe it's my personal bias. I just feel 808 00:37:29.650 --> 00:37:32.610 like there's better songs. But I mean, it was definitely 809 00:37:32.630 --> 00:37:34.929 a contender. I definitely thought about including it. 810 00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:37.340 And then you kind of shit on Mercy Me as well, 811 00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:39.980 which I brought onto my list also, and we've had enough. 812 00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:43.039 I think that both of those tracks are really the 813 00:37:43.079 --> 00:37:47.489 best examples of Alkaline writing bigger, more immediate songs without 814 00:37:47.510 --> 00:37:49.769 losing their identity. Those are the ones that you could 815 00:37:49.789 --> 00:37:52.750 tell that there was success as soon as they released. 816 00:37:53.809 --> 00:37:57.250 Or you didn't lose out on who Alkaline was. But 817 00:37:57.269 --> 00:37:58.590 if you could only keep one of those two, which 818 00:37:58.650 --> 00:37:59.170 one would you pick? 819 00:37:59.530 --> 00:38:04.139 We've Had Enough. We've Had Enough to me is, I think, 820 00:38:05.420 --> 00:38:08.099 the same level as uh this could be love like 821 00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:11.449 it's from the same album but um the same overall 822 00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:14.800 feeling and leaving off my list was tough but it's 823 00:38:14.969 --> 00:38:19.289 um i feel like it encapsulates the band mercy me 824 00:38:19.409 --> 00:38:22.130 i just i don't know like i i like it 825 00:38:22.150 --> 00:38:26.530 i don't dislike anything but it's just like if we're 826 00:38:26.570 --> 00:38:29.809 gonna go with like the more like polished like pop 827 00:38:29.849 --> 00:38:34.380 punk style like uh Alkaline Trio songs, I think Help 828 00:38:34.409 --> 00:38:35.590 Me is way better, personally. 829 00:38:35.610 --> 00:38:36.460 Okay. 830 00:38:36.980 --> 00:38:39.599 But, I don't know. It's like I said, maybe I've 831 00:38:39.619 --> 00:38:41.400 heard it so much, maybe it's my all the small things, 832 00:38:41.420 --> 00:38:44.480

but Mercy Me to me is just like, I get it. 833 00:38:44.699 --> 00:38:48.579 You know what I mean? There's nothing special about it 834 00:38:48.619 --> 00:38:51.539 to me. It's just another catchy alkaline song. You know 835 00:38:51.559 --> 00:38:51.800 what I mean? 836 00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:53.719 Out of the two, I also would have picked We've 837 00:38:53.739 --> 00:38:56.000 Had Enough. There's just something to me about anything where 838 00:38:56.019 --> 00:39:00.230 you can have a countdown on man. So, Fuck You 839 00:39:00.269 --> 00:39:02.030 Roar is another one that I felt really strongly about. 840 00:39:02.050 --> 00:39:04.710 I think that the atmosphere is great, but I do 841 00:39:04.750 --> 00:39:06.110 know that it's not one that's going to get the 842 00:39:06.130 --> 00:39:09.320 crowd moving. So with that in mind, would you keep 843 00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:11.380 it on there as having a spot? Because it is, 844 00:39:11.469 --> 00:39:13.300 I mean, whether you like it or not, it's a 845 00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:13.980 fantastic song. 846 00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:15.780 It's hard. 847 00:39:15.860 --> 00:39:17.920 Or does it become a casualty when you're building the 848 00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:19.239 true set list for a live show? 849 00:39:19.820 --> 00:39:22.639 It's hard because it's like, I want to say, I 850 00:39:24.079 --> 00:39:27.300 want to say it's not the biggest and loudest song, 851 00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:29.760 so the crowd wouldn't move to it. But like I said, 852 00:39:29.820 --> 00:39:31.340 the last show i saw them at they pulled that 853 00:39:31.449 --> 00:39:33.300 one out and people freaked out so it was like 854 00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:36.400 i think that would definitely if we're including it it 855 00:39:36.420 --> 00:39:39.420 would be to include it for like a couple deep 856 00:39:39.460 --> 00:39:41.519 cuts you know i mean i would not say it's 857 00:39:41.579 --> 00:39:43.619 essential to the set list i would say it's more 858 00:39:43.639 --> 00:39:46.500 of a treat for some people for big fans you 859 00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:47.360 know what i mean yeah. 860 00:39:48.170 --> 00:39:50.889 And then finally, Blood, Hair, and Eyeballs. I didn't want 861 00:39:50.909 --> 00:39:54.110 to be completely wrapped up in nostalgia, so you nominated 862 00:39:54.150 --> 00:39:55.969 Bad Time from the record. This is the one that 863 00:39:55.989 --> 00:39:58.329 I picked from it. If we only have room for 864 00:39:58.389 --> 00:40:01.420 one of those two, which one are you keeping? Probably 865 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:02.219 the one that you nominated. 866 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:03.920 Well, yeah, I nominated Bad Time, so I'm going to 867 00:40:03.940 --> 00:40:06.019 say Bad Time. I mean, I do like Blood, Hair, 868 00:40:06.039 --> 00:40:07.480 and Eyeballs a lot. I listen to that song all 869 00:40:07.519 --> 00:40:09.880 the time. I thought that whole album was incredible. I 870 00:40:09.920 --> 00:40:12.940 definitely think there were some standouts compared to others. I mean, 871 00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:18.789 I just think Bad Time... Blood, Hair, and Eyeballs... to me, was, 872 00:40:19.250 --> 00:40:23.250 it's good because it's classic Alkaline. Like, the way Matt 873 00:40:23.269 --> 00:40:26.429 plays guitar, the way he does his riffs, like, it's 874 00:40:26.469 --> 00:40:31.190 a similar riff to, um, Mercy Me. Mm-hmm. So, it's like, um, 875 00:40:31.730 --> 00:40:33.610 it's hard to explain, but, like, the way he does 876 00:40:33.659 --> 00:40:36.260 his lead riffs, it's very similar. So, Blood, Hair, and Eyeballs, 877 00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:39.219 to me, was, like, classic Alkaline. Like, it was like, alright, 878 00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:43.119 that's the new album. They didn't lose their sound. They 879 00:40:43.139 --> 00:40:46.340 still sound like good old-fashioned Alkaline trio. I'm here. But, 880 00:40:46.969 --> 00:40:50.429 Bad Time, to me, was a standout because I felt 881 00:40:50.449 --> 00:40:53.190 like it carried that same energy of familiarity, if I 882 00:40:53.230 --> 00:40:56.610 said that correctly. But Bad Time, to me, there's a 883 00:40:56.639 --> 00:40:59.719 specific little pocket rhythm to it. You know what I mean? 884 00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:02.400 All the instruments come in at weird different times, and 885 00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:05.460 it's so good. It kind of edges you to the chorus. 886 00:41:05.579 --> 00:41:08.840 It just does a verse, instrumental, another verse, so when 887 00:41:08.860 --> 00:41:11.969 the chorus comes in, it pops off. I mean, that's 888 00:41:11.989 --> 00:41:12.780 my argument for it. 889 00:41:13.670 --> 00:41:17.400 Fair enough. So you've heard my picks, and which of 890 00:41:17.460 --> 00:41:20.300 the unique nominations that I came up with do you 891 00:41:20.380 --> 00:41:21.340 most want to save? 892 00:41:22.869 --> 00:41:24.530 Of the ones that you put in, which one would 893 00:41:24.550 --> 00:41:28.710 I want to save? Of ones we didn't approve already? Correct. 894 00:41:29.650 --> 00:41:35.389 Let me look. We've had enough. 895 00:41:36.460 --> 00:41:37.400 Yeah, you have two. 896 00:41:38.059 --> 00:41:40.659 We've had enough. Oh, I can save two of yours? 897 00:41:41.059 --> 00:41:41.219 Yep. 898 00:41:41.820 --> 00:41:45.630 Private eye. I would say, I mean, both of those 899 00:41:45.690 --> 00:41:47.650 songs are, I mean, I left them off my list 900 00:41:47.750 --> 00:41:50.949 because of my own personal, like, going back to what 901 00:41:50.989 --> 00:41:53.829 we said, it's hard for us to distinguish because personal connection. Because, 902 00:41:53.849 --> 00:41:55.730 you know, me being me, I'm like, oh, these are 903 00:41:55.750 --> 00:41:58.409 the best ones for X, Y, and Z. But those 904 00:41:58.429 --> 00:42:02.289 two songs are, it's like radio. If it wasn't in 905 00:42:02.329 --> 00:42:04.630 the set, people would walk out like, they didn't fucking 906

00:42:04.650 --> 00:42:07.369 play Private Eye. You know what I mean? I would 907 00:42:07.409 --> 00:42:08.250 say those two for sure. 908 00:42:08.269 --> 00:42:11.969 All right. And then which two would you be happiest 909 00:42:11.989 --> 00:42:12.429 to see cut? 910 00:42:16.110 --> 00:42:23.070 I mean, Mercy Me is definitely one. And I would say... 911 00:42:26.610 --> 00:42:27.530 She Took Him to the Lake. 912 00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:29.260 Okay. 913 00:42:29.820 --> 00:42:31.960 I would say, because I'm looking at the Dan songs, 914 00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:34.320 and I would say of them. 915 00:42:36.739 --> 00:42:40.019 Yeah. I think Take Lots of Alcohol would be a 916 00:42:40.039 --> 00:42:43.679 great argument. The drum fill in the intro is incredible. Yeah, 917 00:42:43.699 --> 00:42:45.679 She Took Him to the Lake. I would say of the... 918 00:42:46.170 --> 00:42:49.989 That's the only song that never really piqued my interest. 919 00:42:51.070 --> 00:42:52.710 Well, I appreciate you coming on to my show and 920 00:42:52.730 --> 00:42:54.010 then telling me that my shit sucks. 921 00:42:54.389 --> 00:42:55.429 It's all right. I'm pretty good at it. 922 00:42:57.679 --> 00:42:59.500 So we spent a lot of time talking about the songs, 923 00:42:59.820 --> 00:43:02.000 and it's time to start killing them. So we've got 924 00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:05.980 80 minutes to work with. That needs to include the transitions, tuning, 925 00:43:06.380 --> 00:43:09.880 the break for the encore. So we've already discussed our lock. 926 00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:11.489 So your lock, once again, was? 927 00:43:12.869 --> 00:43:13.369 Armageddon. 928 00:43:14.349 --> 00:43:18.650 And in mine, obviously, it was 100 stories. Those are 929 00:43:18.670 --> 00:43:21.440 both in. No negotiation. That's the point of it. 930 00:43:23.980 --> 00:43:26.900 Would you be able to scroll down a little? At 931 00:43:26.940 --> 00:43:29.019 least get rid of the first five. I can't see 932 00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:32.199 anything past 24. I'm sorry. There it is. 933 00:43:32.219 --> 00:43:33.019 Did I go too far? 934 00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:37.139 Right there. That's good. Thank you, sir. 935 00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:43.159 And then now it's time for the vetoes. So what. 936 00:43:44.820 --> 00:43:47.860 Is there anything else that you want to kick off 937 00:43:47.889 --> 00:43:48.199 right here? 938 00:43:49.090 --> 00:43:54.030 Kick off? I'm trying to see which ones we don't have. 939 00:43:54.630 --> 00:44:03.650 I would say... Fuck. It's hard, because my go-to is 940 00:44:03.690 --> 00:44:05.550 going to be radio, just because I've heard it so 941 00:44:05.590 --> 00:44:07.630 many times, but I know that I can't. I know 942 00:44:07.670 --> 00:44:09.989 that was... If I'm trying to think of the argument 943 00:44:10.030 --> 00:44:13.110 for the live set, I feel like you have to 944 00:44:13.170 --> 00:44:14.170 have it, you know what I mean? 945 00:44:15.090 --> 00:44:16.590 I'm going to lock that one in then, because it's 946 00:44:16.650 --> 00:44:18.190 not the first time that you've mentioned that you may 947 00:44:18.210 --> 00:44:19.429 want to get rid of it, and if you got 948 00:44:19.449 --> 00:44:21.039 rid of it, I would probably cry a little bit. 949 00:44:21.360 --> 00:44:24.199 I know. And everyone would. I would. If you were 950 00:44:24.219 --> 00:44:25.400 me and I heard you say that, I'd be like, 951 00:44:25.420 --> 00:44:27.119 what the fuck's wrong with you? You know what I mean? 952 00:44:27.139 --> 00:44:30.539 I would... Let me look at some of mine. One 953 00:44:30.579 --> 00:44:38.039 that I wouldn't be sad to see go... It's like, 954 00:44:38.139 --> 00:44:39.760 I want to say is this thing cursed, but I 955 00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:41.679 still want to have that Dan balance in there. And 956 00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:45.500 I think that's a perfect dual harmony song. Alright, I'd 957 00:44:45.519 --> 00:44:47.920 say Time to Waste. 958 00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:49.260 Okay. 959 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:51.199 I think that one could go. I love that song. 960 00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:54.300 That's one of the... It's like I was talking about 961 00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:57.030 Mercy Me or Help Me. If we're going just the catchy, 962 00:44:57.260 --> 00:44:59.829 can get any new kids in, Time to Waste was 963 00:44:59.889 --> 00:45:01.530 on there. I Found a Way was another one I 964 00:45:01.530 --> 00:45:05.130 ended up not including, but I would understand if that 965 00:45:05.190 --> 00:45:05.650 one had to go. 966 00:45:05.670 --> 00:45:08.050 Alright, so let's take a look at where we're at 967 00:45:08.070 --> 00:45:12.079 right now. So we have a total... Alright, so we've 968 00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:13.400 got a total of. 969 00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:18.780 What do we have here? 970 00:45:18.780 --> 00:45:19.039 13 songs. 971 00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:21.039 No, 12 songs. I had it right. So we're at 972 00:45:21.059 --> 00:45:24.489 a total of 12 songs right now. We want to 973 00:45:24.530 --> 00:45:27.989 be at 15 plus the two encore. So I'm going 974 00:45:28.030 --> 00:45:31.489 to have one more that I just, like I've mentioned 975 00:45:31.530 --> 00:45:34.559 it a few times, I can't have the opportunity and 976 00:45:34.739 --> 00:45:36.760 not pursue it. So I'm going to throw Cooking Wine 977 00:45:36.860 --> 00:45:37.349 onto it. 978 00:45:38.019 --> 00:45:39.719 Oh, yeah. I'm surprised you didn't add it already. 979 00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:43.800 But now it's your turn. You've got two more tracks. 980 00:45:43.820 --> 00:45:45.599 The last two tracks, anything that's on the list or 981 00:45:45.659 --> 00:45:48.579 anything that's not on the list that you want to 982 00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:50.260 drop in and let me bring you back down to 983 00:45:50.280 --> 00:45:51.559 where we're at. 984 00:45:53.460 --> 00:45:55.820 Something that I want to include? 985 00:45:56.340 -->

00:46:00.320 Yeah, you've got two more to include off of the list. 986 00:46:01.840 --> 00:46:06.179 Fuck. I would say definitely include. 987 00:46:07.739 --> 00:46:09.159 We have bad time in there already. 988 00:46:09.179 --> 00:46:09.320 Um.... 989 00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:14.150 Oblivion. I'd put Oblivion in unless you disagree. 990 00:46:14.750 --> 00:46:15.429 I do not. Nope. 991 00:46:15.969 --> 00:46:19.489 Alright. Yeah, I think it's one of their newer songs 992 00:46:19.710 --> 00:46:22.130 and I think it's, I just think it's fantastic. It's 993 00:46:22.150 --> 00:46:24.170 like I was saying, that song came out and I 994 00:46:24.190 --> 00:46:27.409 was like, shit, they're not stopping. You know what I mean? 995 00:46:27.849 --> 00:46:30.440 Right. Yeah, out of what you've got on here, the 996 00:46:30.480 --> 00:46:32.820 only one that I was even slightly iffy about wanting 997 00:46:32.860 --> 00:46:34.579 to see live would be J. Gun Green and Beers 998 00:46:34.599 --> 00:46:38.860 and it's just because it's such a deep cut that 999 00:46:38.900 --> 00:46:40.679 I worry that even I would be taken out by 1000 00:46:40.699 --> 00:46:43.369 hearing it. but I don't want to take it off 1001 00:46:43.590 --> 00:46:45.989 on yours either because it would be awesome to see 1002 00:46:46.010 --> 00:46:49.269 them play it live. And then you've got one more 1003 00:46:49.309 --> 00:46:51.489 here that you can toss on, and then we'll start 1004 00:46:51.570 --> 00:46:53.230 to go through the sequencing. 1005 00:46:53.849 --> 00:46:59.360 I would say Sadie. Sadie? Sadie. I like that. I 1006 00:46:59.389 --> 00:47:04.159 think that's such a unique song, and I definitely think 1007 00:47:04.219 --> 00:47:08.519 it gives it a little room to breathe. Not every 1008 00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:12.610 song is like 100 miles an hour fucking... super fast 1009 00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:14.639 jump up and down. Like it gives the room to, uh, 1010 00:47:14.739 --> 00:47:17.380 breathe a little bit, have some cool lights, you know, 1011 00:47:17.420 --> 00:47:21.940 get a little emotional. And even live, I'm sure you've 1012 00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:23.239 seen him play it live. It's always good. 1013 00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:27.239 And everybody on stage needs a break in the middle. Um, 1014 00:47:27.260 --> 00:47:30.760 you can't go hard from start to finish. So I'm 1015 00:47:30.780 --> 00:47:32.480 also going to just throw on crawl just because I 1016 00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:35.119 feel like it needs to be there. And Dan's got 1017 00:47:35.139 --> 00:47:37.900 a little bit of a, uh, an underscore here. Um, 1018 00:47:39.650 --> 00:47:41.710 But I think that outside of that, we are all set. 1019 00:47:41.730 --> 00:47:44.489 We've got our 16 tracks, and it's time to start 1020 00:47:44.530 --> 00:47:44.989 the sequence. 1021 00:47:45.550 --> 00:47:45.929 Oh, wow. 1022 00:47:46.380 --> 00:47:46.820 So. 1023 00:47:47.030 --> 00:47:48.590 We argued way less than I thought. 1024 00:47:50.460 --> 00:47:51.219 I talk a big game. 1025 00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:55.260 It's okay. I like to think I'm very passive. 1026 00:47:55.940 --> 00:47:57.780 All right. 1027 00:47:57.920 --> 00:48:00.500 So we had both kind of mentioned where we thought 1028 00:48:00.539 --> 00:48:01.820 Cringe would fall. I thought that it would be an 1029 00:48:01.900 --> 00:48:04.039 opener for the encore. You thought that it would be 1030 00:48:04.059 --> 00:48:07.269 an opener for the set. What do you think is the, 1031 00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:08.960 out of all of these that we've got here? So 1032 00:48:08.980 --> 00:48:11.539 we've got Cringe, Stupid Kid, Alive, My Face Off, This 1033 00:48:11.579 --> 00:48:14.179 Could Be Love, Cooking Wine, Private Eye, We've Had Enough, Crawl, 1034 00:48:14.179 --> 00:48:18.179 100 Stories, Radio, Armageddon, Hell Yes, Sadie, Warbrain, Bad Time, 1035 00:48:18.199 --> 00:48:21.690 and Oblivion. Where do you see the show best kicking off? 1036 00:48:22.510 --> 00:48:25.269 The first song, like I said, I think Cringe is 1037 00:48:25.309 --> 00:48:28.590 a good one, but I think, I want to say, 1038 00:48:29.570 --> 00:48:34.570 if not Cringe, I was going to put Armageddon first. Either, no, 1039 00:48:34.590 --> 00:48:36.489 you know what, no, I'm not saying Armageddon's opening. I 1040 00:48:36.530 --> 00:48:40.840 would say, probably we've had enough. Or no, this could 1041 00:48:40.860 --> 00:48:42.079 be Love. I think this could be Love would be 1042 00:48:42.099 --> 00:48:42.500 a good opener. 1043 00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:42.960 Okay. 1044 00:48:43.900 --> 00:48:45.900 If we're not going cringe, I would go this could 1045 00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:46.199 be Love. 1046 00:48:46.659 --> 00:48:49.260 You can go with cringe. It's wherever you feel on 1047 00:48:49.280 --> 00:48:49.579 this one. 1048 00:48:51.139 --> 00:48:52.690 Well, we gotta do it together, don't we? 1049 00:48:53.179 --> 00:48:55.849 We do. I made my case, and if my case 1050 00:48:55.889 --> 00:48:57.610 wasn't good enough, I'm alright with cringe opening it. 1051 00:48:59.059 --> 00:49:00.980 Because where else would you say you put cringe? You 1052 00:49:01.019 --> 00:49:02.400 said it would be... It would be the. 1053 00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:04.489 First track on the encore. But if you're opposed, I've 1054 00:49:04.510 --> 00:49:07.530 got something that could take that spot for me without issue. 1055 00:49:07.929 --> 00:49:08.989 What do you think? What would it be? 1056 00:49:10.090 --> 00:49:15.090 It would be Cooking Wine. Sorry I'm late. It's the 1057 00:49:15.110 --> 00:49:16.300 best way to open up an encore. 1058 00:49:17.820 --> 00:49:21.550 That would be cool for... Ah, see, I don't know, 1059 00:49:21.570 --> 00:49:23.860 because I feel like the encore shouldn't be a deep cut. 1060 00:49:24.739 --> 00:49:26.400 But I feel like for a super fan, if they 1061 00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:28.780 came back and opened up with Cooking

Wine on an encore, 1062 00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:30.840 I feel like you'd fucking blow a gasket. You know 1063 00:49:30.860 --> 00:49:31.380 what I mean? 1064 00:49:31.400 --> 00:49:34.420 Like, that'd be cool. Um. 1065 00:49:38.230 --> 00:49:39.449 But if they put it in the middle, I'd also 1066 00:49:39.469 --> 00:49:41.849 piss my pants. It wouldn't really matter where. I wouldn't 1067 00:49:41.869 --> 00:49:42.650 be able to control myself. 1068 00:49:45.130 --> 00:49:50.269 You know what? I would say... I'd say open the 1069 00:49:50.309 --> 00:49:52.949 show with cringe and then open the encore with cooking wine. 1070 00:49:53.949 --> 00:49:58.010 I think would be a good trade. 1071 00:49:59.409 --> 00:50:01.900 Perfect. And then what do you have coming up on 1072 00:50:01.920 --> 00:50:02.840 the second track? 1073 00:50:03.920 --> 00:50:06.340 Second track, I would say I want to switch to 1074 00:50:06.380 --> 00:50:15.070 a dance song. I would say maybe going to Crawl. Okay. 1075 00:50:15.110 --> 00:50:15.750 Or 100 Stories. 1076 00:50:17.769 --> 00:50:20.469 So because I do the photography shit, you only get 1077 00:50:20.610 --> 00:50:24.139 three at the front, no flash. I don't want to 1078 00:50:24.179 --> 00:50:26.340 be in the photo pit when they play 100 Stories. 1079 00:50:26.380 --> 00:50:27.340 I want to be in the crowd. I want to 1080 00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:30.719 be able to sing along. So on a purely personal 1081 00:50:30.900 --> 00:50:33.070 and selfish reasoning, I don't want it to be one 1082 00:50:33.090 --> 00:50:33.650 of the first three. 1083 00:50:34.150 --> 00:50:36.059 No, we're selfish in this chat. Let's do it. 1084 00:50:36.170 --> 00:50:39.739 All right. Alright, so what do you have as the 1085 00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:41.820 final photographer song, the third track? 1086 00:50:42.260 --> 00:50:52.340 The third track? Um... Maybe, uh... Maybe sneak a newer 1087 00:50:52.440 --> 00:50:53.719 one in, maybe say Oblivion. 1088 00:50:53.739 --> 00:50:54.780 Okay. 1089 00:50:55.119 --> 00:50:56.699 You know what I mean? So they can open up 1090 00:50:56.739 --> 00:50:59.840 with something old, something in the middle, and then something 1091 00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:02.340 brand new, just because I know a lot of bands 1092 00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:03.860 like to play their new shit, they're proud of it. 1093 00:51:03.940 --> 00:51:05.119 So I would say Oblivion would be a. 1094 00:51:05.099 --> 00:51:07.750 Good uh that's the record that they're still making the 1095 00:51:07.769 --> 00:51:09.230 most money on so that's the one they want to 1096 00:51:09.289 --> 00:51:11.820 have a good representation of i i agree i think 1097 00:51:11.840 --> 00:51:15.280 that oblivion makes perfect sense there um and then i 1098 00:51:15.300 --> 00:51:18.699 think that it's a it's a good spot for for 1099 00:51:18.780 --> 00:51:22.440 something a little bit a little bit slower so i'm 1100 00:51:22.460 --> 00:51:27.349 thinking maybe maybe

sadie for the the fourth try how 1101 00:51:27.369 --> 00:51:28.190 do you feel about. 1102 00:51:28.050 --> 00:51:30.809 That i think that's good yeah i'd be good slow 1103 00:51:30.849 --> 00:51:32.250 it down a little bit you know what i mean. 1104 00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:38.590 And what are you putting after Sadie? Are you reading 1105 00:51:38.630 --> 00:51:40.610 it on the slow end and letting them collect their 1106 00:51:40.630 --> 00:51:43.150 thoughts a little bit better, or are you bringing the 1107 00:51:43.170 --> 00:51:43.969 crowd back into it? 1108 00:51:44.469 --> 00:51:46.550 I would bring the crowd back into it. I would 1109 00:51:46.630 --> 00:51:51.670 say maybe then you could jump into 100 stories. 1110 00:51:52.409 --> 00:51:52.869 Okay, yeah. 1111 00:51:53.429 --> 00:51:54.969 I think that would be cool, you know what I mean? 1112 00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:58.519 That gives me more than enough time to get around. 1113 00:51:58.539 --> 00:51:58.789 Yeah, man. 1114 00:52:02.530 --> 00:52:04.039 Where do you feel like Stupid Kid goes? Is that 1115 00:52:04.059 --> 00:52:06.519 going to be a mid-set? Is that going to be 1116 00:52:06.539 --> 00:52:07.079 a late-set? 1117 00:52:08.800 --> 00:52:12.760 I would say... So how many... So it's 16, two encore, 1118 00:52:12.900 --> 00:52:16.750 so there's 14 in the original bass set, correct? 1119 00:52:17.750 --> 00:52:20.869 There are 17, I believe. Oh, no, you're right, 16, yeah. 1120 00:52:21.110 --> 00:52:22.969 So 14 and then two encore. 1121 00:52:23.849 --> 00:52:37.070 I would say... I would say... What do you think 1122 00:52:37.170 --> 00:52:38.989 they should close the original set with? 1123 00:52:40.170 --> 00:52:41.829 I think that they should close the proper set with 1124 00:52:41.869 --> 00:52:44.739 We've Had Enough and close the encore with Radio. 1125 00:52:45.929 --> 00:52:48.800 So you think the final song should be Radio? I do. 1126 00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:53.849 And it's just because I'm an old head about it. 1127 00:52:53.980 --> 00:52:56.679 It's not... Yeah, I mean, I know that's what they 1128 00:52:56.719 --> 00:53:06.179 do now. Like I said, it makes sense. I would 1129 00:53:06.219 --> 00:53:09.179 say stupid kid. I would say put super kid towards 1130 00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:11.800 the end of the original set. All right. 1131 00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:13.179 It's like 11, 12. 1132 00:53:13.179 --> 00:53:15.760 I would say 12, 12 was the number I had 1133 00:53:15.780 --> 00:53:17.920 in my head. Throw it in there somewhere. Perfect. 1134 00:53:18.420 --> 00:53:20.059 And then what about, I lied your face off. I 1135 00:53:20.079 --> 00:53:21.659 lied my face off. You've got to, you've got to 1136 00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:23.519 give Dan a little bit more time to, to come in, 1137 00:53:23.739 --> 00:53:26.619 but we've only got so many Dan tracks and, and 1138 00:53:26.639 --> 00:53:28.739 we've already used at least one of them. 1139 00:53:28.760 --> 00:53:29.699 If I'm not mistaken. 1140 00:53:29.960 --> 00:53:32.199 Well, five is a hundred stories. So I would say 1141 00:53:32.219 --> 00:53:34.530 switch to Matt for number six. So I would say 1142 00:53:34.570 --> 00:53:35.769 maybe a private eye. 1143 00:53:36.730 --> 00:53:40.210 Private Eye for six? Alright. And then where are you 1144 00:53:40.269 --> 00:53:40.829 at for seven? 1145 00:53:42.829 --> 00:53:48.670 Um... Maybe bring it back to something new and do 1146 00:53:48.730 --> 00:53:53.400 Bad Time? Wait, no. Not after Private Eye. I would 1147 00:53:53.420 --> 00:53:57.460 say after Private Eye, go Hell Yes. Alright. 1148 00:53:57.880 --> 00:53:59.880 And then into Bad Time? 1149 00:54:00.579 --> 00:54:03.019 Yeah, I think that'd be a good transition. And then 1150 00:54:03.059 --> 00:54:05.059 you definitely have to go back to Dan after that. 1151 00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:08.139 All right, and I Light My Face Off is another 1152 00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:10.260 one where they can kind of give Matt at least 1153 00:54:10.300 --> 00:54:11.980 give him a little bit of a break. Mm-hmm. 1154 00:54:12.260 --> 00:54:12.539 Oh, yeah. 1155 00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:17.460 I like that a lot. All right, so we've got 1156 00:54:17.480 --> 00:54:21.380 This Could Be Love, We've Had Enough, Radio, Armageddon, and Warbring. 1157 00:54:22.260 --> 00:54:24.199 Any of those kind of fit in any order that 1158 00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:26.179 we go here, but what do you think follows I 1159 00:54:26.199 --> 00:54:28.119 Light My Face Off? 1160 00:54:28.300 --> 00:54:29.360 After I Light My Face Off. 1161 00:54:35.329 --> 00:54:39.530 I think at this point, I think it'd be easier 1162 00:54:39.610 --> 00:54:41.869 to do the final song of the set and the 1163 00:54:41.949 --> 00:54:44.590 final encore song, and then I think it'd be easier 1164 00:54:44.659 --> 00:54:45.260 to go in there. 1165 00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:47.780 All right. So what do you have for the final 1166 00:54:47.860 --> 00:54:49.260 encore and the final set? 1167 00:54:51.280 --> 00:54:55.539 I would say... I mean, radio, I guess, would have 1168 00:54:55.579 --> 00:54:57.800 to be a closer. I could go either or. If 1169 00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:00.900 encore one is cooking wine, I would say. 1170 00:55:07.260 --> 00:55:08.559 fuck yeah i mean i may have fucked it up 1171 00:55:08.599 --> 00:55:11.840 i put in cooking wine at the opening there no 1172 00:55:12.010 --> 00:55:14.760 radio right afterwards i just don't feel like it you 1173 00:55:14.800 --> 00:55:16.889 don't want to keep it too too back in the day. 1174 00:55:17.829 --> 00:55:20.150 I would say maybe put radio as the original set 1175 00:55:20.190 --> 00:55:24.949 closer okay and then personal bias i think if you 1176 00:55:24.969 --> 00:55:28.789 did cooking wine for encore one i think armageddon for 1177 00:55:28.809 --> 00:55:30.909 the final song of the night i think would really 1178 00:55:30.929 --> 00:55:33.570 end to be

like the money shot i think that'd 1179 00:55:33.610 --> 00:55:34.630 be a huge bang at the. 1180 00:55:34.610 --> 00:55:37.989 End all right beautiful So we still have Warbrain, we've 1181 00:55:38.010 --> 00:55:41.889 had enough, and This Could Be Love for the next 1182 00:55:41.929 --> 00:55:44.750 couple of tracks that we've got available. So it's 10, 11, 1183 00:55:44.750 --> 00:55:47.550 and 13. 1184 00:55:48.550 --> 00:55:51.389 I would say if we're ending with Radio on the 1185 00:55:51.429 --> 00:55:54.920 original set, I would say right before that do This 1186 00:55:54.940 --> 00:56:00.340 Could Be Love. I definitely think that being stronger, I 1187 00:56:01.659 --> 00:56:02.960 would say that's one of the songs we agreed on. 1188 00:56:03.340 --> 00:56:06.880 I think that would be a great That's like the 1189 00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:10.300 room's full of energy. When everyone starts breathing, it ends 1190 00:56:10.320 --> 00:56:12.679 with radio. I definitely think this could be lovely. 13 1191 00:56:12.679 --> 00:56:18.659 and then... Yeah, and then just Warbrain and We've Had Enough. 1192 00:56:18.969 --> 00:56:22.269 I would say... And that's what? 10 and 11? Yep. 1193 00:56:22.269 --> 00:56:25.289 10 and 13. I'm sorry. 10 and 11, yeah. 1194 00:56:25.289 --> 00:56:25.869 10 and 11? I would say. 1195 00:56:25.889 --> 00:56:28.230 What's... 9 is I Light My Face Off. 1196 00:56:38.309 --> 00:56:42.869 I'd say Warbrain, then we've had enough. 10 and 11. 1197 00:56:44.030 --> 00:56:46.090 I'm not saying that I agree with Warbrain there, but 1198 00:56:46.110 --> 00:56:48.289 I really do have to say that I love the 1199 00:56:48.349 --> 00:56:51.170 idea of it going, we've had enough, stupid kid, this 1200 00:56:51.210 --> 00:56:56.280 could be love, and then radio before the encore. There's 1201 00:56:56.340 --> 00:56:58.159 no fan that's not going to fall in love with 1202 00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:00.239 that set if that's how it plays out at the 1203 00:57:00.300 --> 00:57:03.599 end of it. Oh, yeah. All right, awesome. So I 1204 00:57:03.679 --> 00:57:06.400 think that we've come up with it. So we've got 1205 00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:11.809 Cringe opening it up. Following Cringe, we have Crawl, and 1206 00:57:11.969 --> 00:57:17.840 then Oblivion, Sadie, and 100 Stories. Then we go into 1207 00:57:18.039 --> 00:57:22.039 Private Eye, LES, Bad Time, I Love My Face Off. 1208 00:57:24.219 --> 00:57:26.239 Here, wait, I'll do one for you. 1209 00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:27.300 Okay. 1210 00:57:27.400 --> 00:57:29.539 So, how you said you wouldn't be thrilled with putting 1211 00:57:29.579 --> 00:57:33.360 Warbrain at 10, would you compromise by switching Warbrain and 1212 00:57:33.400 --> 00:57:36.250 Private Eye at 10 and 6? Yes. What do you 1213 00:57:36.269 --> 00:57:38.329 think Private Eye should say earlier in the set? 1214 00:57:38.469 --> 00:57:41.530 My thing with Wolverine is that I didn't know if 1215 00:57:41.630 --> 00:57:46.769 it

flew well after I let my face off. It's 1216 00:57:46.809 --> 00:57:49.630 a totally different vibe. That said, I do think that 1217 00:57:49.690 --> 00:57:51.349 it needs to be in the middle of the set. 1218 00:57:51.389 --> 00:57:54.469 I don't think that it can be too far up there. 1219 00:57:54.949 --> 00:57:59.610 And I do think that Private Eye belongs right at 1220 00:57:59.659 --> 00:58:03.219 that just after the beginning. The energy's still at the high. 1221 00:58:04.400 --> 00:58:07.349 People haven't started to... To walk towards the back of 1222 00:58:07.369 --> 00:58:08.989 the bar. The people who aren't going to be in 1223 00:58:09.010 --> 00:58:11.070 the pit haven't started to ease their way out. 1224 00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:14.800 Where would you put Warbrain? If it was up to you, 1225 00:58:14.820 --> 00:58:15.380 if I wasn't here. 1226 00:58:16.699 --> 00:58:19.679 I would probably put it either... I might switch it 1227 00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:20.260 with Hell Yes. 1228 00:58:21.079 --> 00:58:23.059 I was thinking that. I was thinking that too. I 1229 00:58:23.099 --> 00:58:25.690 was looking through it. I could do that. Switch Warbrain 1230 00:58:25.710 --> 00:58:28.269 and Hell Yes. And I think that does make sense. 1231 00:58:28.349 --> 00:58:31.329 I lied my face ball. And then to Warbrain I 1232 00:58:31.369 --> 00:58:34.539 think would be strange. But I think right into Hell Yes, 1233 00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:37.699 Hell Yes is, it's not as aggressive, but it definitely 1234 00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:40.130 follows the same more raw kind of vibe. 1235 00:58:41.769 --> 00:58:46.010 Absolutely, yeah. And obviously, you know, that's part of the 1236 00:58:46.050 --> 00:58:49.429 fun of this is seeing how the set list plays 1237 00:58:49.510 --> 00:58:54.010 out and where, when it's all finalized, where everything fits best. 1238 00:58:54.800 --> 00:58:57.860 The sequence is half the fun, so I think we've 1239 00:58:57.880 --> 00:59:00.940 actually done it. We've got our songs nominated. We argued 1240 00:59:01.320 --> 00:59:04.500 pretty infrequently about And we managed to agree on a 1241 00:59:04.679 --> 00:59:09.949 pretty epic Outline show. uh so what's uh what's the 1242 00:59:10.030 --> 00:59:11.849 one song that we left off that's gonna bother you in. 1243 00:59:11.849 --> 00:59:17.559 The morning oh shit um from our list or just 1244 00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:18.619 in general. 1245 00:59:19.280 --> 00:59:21.820 From the the from the list that we have. 1246 00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:28.880 From the list probably either uh Time to Waste or 1247 00:59:29.090 --> 00:59:30.070 Take Lots with Alcohol. 1248 00:59:31.260 --> 00:59:31.500 Okay. 1249 00:59:31.960 --> 00:59:34.000 I think it's Time to Waste. I just think if 1250 00:59:34.019 --> 00:59:36.260 you're looking for something catchy, I love that song. I 1251 00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:39.980 think it's such a good hook. And, I mean, Take 1252 00:59:40.019 --> 00:59:44.239 Lots with Alcohol is just a banger. Yeah, absolutely. I 1253 00:59:44.280 --> 00:59:47.139 think that's probably my favorite drums in any Aqualine Trio 1254 00:59:47.159 --> 00:59:49.679 song is that song. All right. 1255 00:59:50.739 --> 00:59:52.690 And if you bought a ticket to see this concert, 1256 00:59:53.110 --> 00:59:56.710 would you be walking out satisfied? Oh, yeah. Yeah? Oh, yeah. 1257 00:59:57.059 --> 01:00:02.260 They could fucking... If they just played this addiction in full, 1258 01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:04.480 I'd walk out. Like, all right, that was great. I 1259 01:00:04.639 --> 01:00:06.119 wouldn't care. I love them. 1260 01:00:07.909 --> 01:00:10.570 Before I let you go, I do have one last question. 1261 01:00:11.010 --> 01:00:11.309 Okay. 1262 01:00:11.389 --> 01:00:13.809 We spent the last hour picking apart Alkaline and arguing 1263 01:00:13.849 --> 01:00:16.769 about different errors, discussing Matt and Dan, and trying to 1264 01:00:16.789 --> 01:00:19.550 figure out what makes a concert perfect. But when you 1265 01:00:19.570 --> 01:00:21.320 strip all of it away, what is it about Alkaline 1266 01:00:21.340 --> 01:00:23.300 that keeps you coming back? Why is the band so special? 1267 01:00:24.489 --> 01:00:27.969 I think it's just, um, I think they're timeless. I 1268 01:00:28.070 --> 01:00:30.389 think they're one of those bands, like, they were never 1269 01:00:30.489 --> 01:00:32.349 as big as, like, a Blink or a Green Day, 1270 01:00:32.449 --> 01:00:36.219 but I feel like, like, they're, in my, I always 1271 01:00:36.260 --> 01:00:38.360 explain them to people as they're the biggest underground band 1272 01:00:38.400 --> 01:00:41.380 of all time. Like, they're, they're in the conversation with 1273 01:00:41.400 --> 01:00:43.079 the greats, but, like, you can still go see them 1274 01:00:43.099 --> 01:00:46.539 for 60 bucks. You can still go see them for $ 40. And, like, 1275 01:00:46.559 --> 01:00:48.889 we were talking about earlier, they're one of those bands where, like, 1276 01:00:48.929 --> 01:00:51.070 there was never a peak. They're not one of those 1277 01:00:51.130 --> 01:00:53.070 bands where it's like, oh, the first couple albums are great, 1278 01:00:53.090 --> 01:00:55.340 and then they fucking suck. Like, At least in my opinion, 1279 01:00:55.360 --> 01:00:57.840 I think they're timeless. They could put out a song 1280 01:00:57.940 --> 01:01:00.059 in an hour, and I guarantee it would be just 1281 01:01:00.099 --> 01:01:06.670 as good as Private Eye or Warbrain or something. You 1282 01:01:06.690 --> 01:01:09.130 know what I mean? Blood, Hair, and Eyeballs came out, what, 1283 01:01:09.170 --> 01:01:12.909 two years ago? Fucking great album. Oblivion came out last year, 1284 01:01:13.010 --> 01:01:15.590 and I would put it up with one of the greats. 1285 01:01:15.610 --> 01:01:16.880 You know what I mean? I think they're a very 1286 01:01:16.940 --> 01:01:20.039 timeless band, and I think they're very

genuine. You know 1287 01:01:20.059 --> 01:01:23.880 what I mean? Their lyrics are not... some writer's room bullshit. 1288 01:01:23.940 --> 01:01:25.980 Like I feel like the things they, they write about 1289 01:01:26.039 --> 01:01:29.320 and their wording and the metaphors they use, it's like, no, 1290 01:01:29.360 --> 01:01:32.119 they sat down and like that came from the heart. 1291 01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:33.519 It was thought out. You know what I mean? It's 1292 01:01:33.559 --> 01:01:35.719 not just some nursery rhyme. You know what I mean? 1293 01:01:36.099 --> 01:01:36.320 Yeah. 1294 01:01:37.679 --> 01:01:38.659 Um, so yeah. 1295 01:01:38.679 --> 01:01:40.840 So what I think makes, makes all of these, these 1296 01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:44.219 little building your set lists so much fun is, you know, 1297 01:01:44.400 --> 01:01:46.050 obviously you and I, we both love the same band 1298 01:01:46.090 --> 01:01:48.630 and we have that, that common ground, but we managed 1299 01:01:48.650 --> 01:01:52.349 to come into it with 11 completely different, different tracks each. Um, 1300 01:01:52.530 --> 01:01:54.289 and the stuff that we left out probably would be 1301 01:01:54.329 --> 01:01:58.539 a pretty fucking amazing concert. Um, so thank you for 1302 01:01:58.559 --> 01:02:00.119 being a part of this. Uh, thank you so much 1303 01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:01.469 for coming on. I really appreciate it. 1304 01:02:01.500 --> 01:02:01.940 Yeah, of course. 1305 01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:04.260 Um, before we wrap up, tell everybody where they can 1306 01:02:04.280 --> 01:02:06.019 find you again and where they can hear you and 1307 01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:06.829 what you've got coming up. 1308 01:02:07.699 --> 01:02:10.639 Um, uh, altar boy, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. You can find us 1309 01:02:10.780 --> 01:02:14.519 on all social media platforms. Um, at altar boy, PA, 1310 01:02:15.500 --> 01:02:18.800 A L T A R B O Y. One word. Um, 1311 01:02:19.659 --> 01:02:23.000 We're streaming on everything. You can find us on Instagram 1312 01:02:23.039 --> 01:02:27.760 and TikTok. We're mostly active on Instagram. And we have 1313 01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:32.320 a big show November 14th at Tioga Underground, formerly Bonk's Bar. 1314 01:02:32.400 --> 01:02:36.280 We're doing our first Holidays for the Hounds. All Profits 1315 01:02:36.320 --> 01:02:39.489 are going to Beagle Freedom Project. We're doing a donation 1316 01:02:39.530 --> 01:02:44.010 drive for Husky House. We're working... I've personally talked to 1317 01:02:44.030 --> 01:02:46.809 and working hand-in-hand with Husky House and, you know, hopefully 1318 01:02:46.829 --> 01:02:50.769 have more... uh, opportunities with them in the future. But, um, 1319 01:02:50.820 --> 01:02:52.340 I would say that's the show. If you're going to 1320 01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:54.280 come to any of our shows, that's the one that, uh, 1321 01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:57.599 means the most to me. And I think, uh, would 1322 01:02:57.639 --> 01:02:59.190 be a great introduction to our band. 1323 01:02:59.769 --> 01:03:01.449 Awesome. Yeah. I'll have all those links in the, uh, 1324 01:03:01.550 --> 01:03:04.980 the episode description. So thanks again for, uh, for hopping on. I, 1325 01:03:05.190 --> 01:03:06.809 I can't say enough how much I appreciate how much 1326 01:03:06.849 --> 01:03:09.400 fun this was. Um, so dude, thanks again. 1327 01:03:09.420 --> 01:03:11.880 Oh, of course. I'll talk about that client trio any day.