Full Transcript for Election (1999)

nothing. I'd be curious at how many movies 41 00:01:59.569 --> 00:02:02.349 the MTV films did that were Sundance or not, but 42 00:02:02.370 --> 00:02:02.950 we'll get to that. 43 00:02:02.969 --> 00:02:04.290 Yeah, well, like, the one that we'll talk about is 44 00:02:04.310 --> 00:02:08.590 Better Luck Tomorrow, where, and there's, like, the famous video of, like, either, like, 45 00:02:08.629 --> 00:02:09.300 yelling at a guy who. 46 00:02:09.310 --> 00:02:11.250 Just yelling at motherfuckers? Yeah. 47 00:02:11.310 --> 00:02:11.569 Yeah. 48 00:02:12.469 --> 00:02:14.169 Maybe Murderball was Sundance? We'll see. 49 00:02:15.530 --> 00:02:16.969 I think you're right about that, yeah. 50 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:20.550 Okay. Nominated for Best Adapted Screenplay at the 2000 Oscars. 51 00:02:21.030 --> 00:02:23.849 Won Best Picture, Director, and Screenplay at the Indie Spirits. 52 00:02:24.250 --> 00:02:27.439 Jessica Campbell was nominated for Best Debut Performance. And Witherspoon 53 00:02:27.479 --> 00:02:31.240 for Best Female Lead. And Golden Globe nominated for Reese Witherspoon. 54 00:02:31.879 --> 00:02:34.879 Thank God they did not bury this movie like they 55 00:02:34.939 --> 00:02:38.250 wanted to. Paramount, you stupid fucks. Oh well, you're going 56 00:02:38.259 --> 00:02:43.210 to be a tile on HBO Max. Fuck off. Fucking ridiculous. 57 00:02:44.150 --> 00:02:46.250 Top 5 films that weekend. You ready? 58 00:02:46.610 --> 00:02:47.069 The Mummy. 59 00:02:47.819 --> 00:02:48.060 Good. 60 00:02:49.020 --> 00:02:49.620 Entrapment. 61 00:02:50.020 --> 00:02:51.319 Sure. Never seen. 62 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:56.379 It exists as a gift. Number three, the matrix banger. 63 00:02:56.960 --> 00:02:57.280 Yeah. 64 00:02:57.319 --> 00:02:59.120 Best shit ever. Number four life. 65 00:02:59.939 --> 00:03:03.280 I wish it was better. I, that's an interesting movie. I, 66 00:03:03.580 --> 00:03:05.900 but yes, it's, it's, it's one where like, I mean, 67 00:03:05.939 --> 00:03:07.719 that's one where like you're kind of like what people 68 00:03:07.740 --> 00:03:10.319 have talked about. It's like, Oh, it's not exactly trying 69 00:03:10.340 --> 00:03:12.740 to be funny. This is like really addressing like the 70 00:03:12.780 --> 00:03:16.680 bummers of its premise of like being just stuck in prison. Um, yeah. 71 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:22.039 And number five, Election. Wild thing is that Cookie's Fortune 72 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:23.590 was number nine this week. 73 00:03:24.159 --> 00:03:26.590 An omen I've never seen that I would like to. Yeah. 74 00:03:27.090 --> 00:03:31.229 I also checked to see what won Best Adapted Screenplay 75 00:03:31.270 --> 00:03:35.870 at the Oscars for when The Year of Election was nominated. 76 00:03:36.560 --> 00:03:38.620 Cider House Rules was the one that won. I was 77 00:03:38.639 --> 00:03:41.219 about to say Cider House Rules. You know what? I've 78 00:03:41.259 --> 00:03:44.280 never seen. My mom got me the book

for Christmas 79 00:03:44.379 --> 00:03:46.000 one year because I think I was in a kick 80 00:03:46.020 --> 00:03:47.659 where I was reading a lot of books. books made 81 00:03:47.699 --> 00:03:49.680 into movies my mom was like well this is another 82 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:50.900 one that was made into a movie which you know 83 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:52.620 was very nice and i've heard that book is good 84 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:54.939 i've heard less good things with that movie uh but 85 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:57.620 the other nominees were um the green mile which i 86 00:03:57.740 --> 00:04:00.080 have yet to see uh heard it's very long there 87 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:02.099 is a theater in oakville the next town over that 88 00:04:02.139 --> 00:04:05.360 is playing it on october 5th maybe they'll lock you 89 00:04:05.460 --> 00:04:09.169 in yeah I mean, yes, that's a jokey way to 90 00:04:09.189 --> 00:04:10.849 phrase it, but honestly, that might force me to pay 91 00:04:10.870 --> 00:04:12.270 attention to the movie as opposed to, you know, I 92 00:04:12.289 --> 00:04:14.530 got like 20 minutes in and I'm like, I'm pretty sleepy. 93 00:04:14.569 --> 00:04:18.180 I'm going to take a nap. And then The Insider, 94 00:04:18.449 --> 00:04:22.199 great movie. And Talented Mr. Ripley, also quite good. Of 95 00:04:22.259 --> 00:04:25.399 those five, which do you like best? 96 00:04:25.860 --> 00:04:28.180 They gave the worst one the Oscar. 97 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:29.120 I haven't seen it. 98 00:04:29.120 --> 00:04:30.879 Have you seen Center House Rules? I haven't seen it, 99 00:04:30.899 --> 00:04:34.610 but the general consensus, you know. I mean, they could 100 00:04:34.629 --> 00:04:36.370 have given it to the insider. That would have been great. 101 00:04:36.389 --> 00:04:38.870 They could have given it to fucking election, because we'll 102 00:04:38.889 --> 00:04:40.970 get into it. I think this movie is head and 103 00:04:41.029 --> 00:04:42.050 shoulders above the book. 104 00:04:42.589 --> 00:04:46.439 I am curious to hear you. You mentioned it very 105 00:04:46.459 --> 00:04:49.439 briefly in text, and I think I saw your Goodreads log. 106 00:04:49.480 --> 00:04:50.779 You gave it three out of five, and I know 107 00:04:50.800 --> 00:04:52.519 you like this movie. So I was like, ooh, interesting. 108 00:04:52.959 --> 00:04:57.040 Goodreads. Also, invent half stars. Some shit I'm like, I 109 00:04:57.060 --> 00:05:01.810 like it. but do I like it enough to give 110 00:05:01.870 --> 00:05:06.769 it four stars or is this three star? And I'm sorry, like, yeah, 111 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:09.819 it sucks. Uh, good reads, uh, go to the reviews 112 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:15.259 for any book. Everybody hates it. Most miserable community ever 113 00:05:15.899 --> 00:05:18.639 budget for this film. I saw estimates of, it was 114 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:21.480 like eight to 25. And I was like, I think that's, 115 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:23.740 you know, Hey paramount. 116 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:23.959 Yeah. 117 00:05:24.379 --> 00:05:27.920 I need about eight to $ 25 million. You got that. Um, 118 00:05:28.079 --> 00:05:30.730 but I saw a, interview, and Alexander Payne said it 119 00:05:30.750 --> 00:05:34.209 was $ 8 million, so I'll go with that. Opening weekend, 120 00:05:34.430 --> 00:05:37.750 the week that it went wide, $ 3. 1 million in domestic 121 00:05:37.800 --> 00:05:41.279 and overall, so $ 14. 9 million. Number one song in the 122 00:05:41.379 --> 00:05:43.899 US this week is No Scrubs by TLC. Oh, buddy, 123 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:46.180 was I there. Number one song in Canada this week 124 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:48.860 was also No Scrubs by TLC. I miss when number 125 00:05:48.939 --> 00:05:52.670 one songs in Canada were by Jennifer Page or Canadian 126 00:05:52.699 --> 00:05:56.310 artists that don't travel out of... Quit copying us, that's 127 00:05:56.329 --> 00:05:59.829 all I'm saying. Plot decision from Google. Jim McAllister, played 128 00:05:59.850 --> 00:06:03.129 by Matthew Broderick, a well-liked high school government teacher, can't 129 00:06:03.180 --> 00:06:05.480 help but notice that successful student Tracy Flick, played by 130 00:06:05.579 --> 00:06:09.540 Reese Witherspoon, uses less than ethical tactics to get what 131 00:06:09.560 --> 00:06:12.939 she wants. When Tracy runs for school president, Jim feels 132 00:06:12.980 --> 00:06:14.819 that she will be a poor influence on the student 133 00:06:14.839 --> 00:06:18.360 body and convinces Paul, a dim-witted but popular student athlete, 134 00:06:18.399 --> 00:06:21.000 to run against Tracy. When she becomes aware of Jim's 135 00:06:21.069 --> 00:06:23.490 secret involvement in the race, a bitter feud is sparked. 136 00:06:24.220 --> 00:06:26.779 What is it that he finds about Tracy that's unethical? 137 00:06:27.939 --> 00:06:33.310 I think he blames her for getting his friend the teacher. 138 00:06:34.699 --> 00:06:34.879 Right. 139 00:06:34.939 --> 00:06:37.290 I was going to say, that's the thing I was thinking. 140 00:06:37.850 --> 00:06:40.709 But I was thinking, I thought we were referring to 141 00:06:40.750 --> 00:06:44.569 maybe in her academics or her campaign. That is 100% 142 00:06:44.569 --> 00:06:48.850 the thing that he resents her for. Also, the way 143 00:06:48.949 --> 00:06:52.079 I read it in the movie, I mean, I feel like, Obvious. 144 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:54.339 It seems like he also maybe shares some of the 145 00:06:54.379 --> 00:07:00.399 same sort of unsavory feelings towards her that his colleague had, which. 146 00:07:00.819 --> 00:07:04.889 In the book, almost– because the book is like basically 147 00:07:04.949 --> 00:07:08.769 like Carrie where it's all from other– everybody's perspective. There's 148 00:07:08.829 --> 00:07:12.569 no third– it's all first person. So it's all Jim McAllister. 149 00:07:13.199 --> 00:07:15.060 He talks. Tracy Flick. She talks. 150

00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:15.899 Tammy. 151 00:07:16.060 --> 00:07:19.680 She talks. Stuff like that. But every man that is 152 00:07:19.740 --> 00:07:22.139 in the book talks about how much they want to 153 00:07:22.180 --> 00:07:25.199 have sex with Tracy Flick. She is. And she is 154 00:07:25.250 --> 00:07:29.730 also seen by the school as like a temptress, like 155 00:07:29.889 --> 00:07:32.250 much more sexual than she is in the movie is 156 00:07:32.290 --> 00:07:32.610 the thing. 157 00:07:33.209 --> 00:07:36.839 Wow. That's crazy. I mean, that's also, I guess, I mean, I, 158 00:07:36.980 --> 00:07:39.360 I've read a couple of Tom Parada books where like you, 159 00:07:39.699 --> 00:07:42.000 like it is. And just like, I mean, I get 160 00:07:42.060 --> 00:07:44.639 the same feeling watching this movie and reading some of 161 00:07:44.699 --> 00:07:46.560 his books where it's just like certain things, like people 162 00:07:46.579 --> 00:07:48.029 just like expressing things in their own way. It's like, 163 00:07:48.149 --> 00:07:49.750 if I said this, I think I would die. If 164 00:07:50.329 --> 00:07:53.990 I would die of embarrassment, if I thought these things 165 00:07:54.089 --> 00:07:59.800 and said them to people, it's just like, Oh goodness. Um, yeah. 166 00:07:59.920 --> 00:08:01.860 And people just doing like the stupid shit where you're 167 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:04.240 just like, you're like, So stupid. 168 00:08:05.189 --> 00:08:05.430 Yeah. 169 00:08:05.730 --> 00:08:05.990 Anyway. 170 00:08:06.639 --> 00:08:09.410 I mean, yeah, like the other teacher, like I'm not 171 00:08:09.449 --> 00:08:12.110 sitting there being like, oh, this is bad. I'm just like, no, 172 00:08:12.129 --> 00:08:15.389 he's a loser. The movie knows he's a loser. Like 173 00:08:15.430 --> 00:08:18.980 when they go through the little. book that he gives 174 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:20.899 tracy flick and it goes to him he's crying he's 175 00:08:20.920 --> 00:08:25.199 like we're in love oh my goodness you only see 176 00:08:25.220 --> 00:08:27.019 him one time again where he's working at like a 177 00:08:27.060 --> 00:08:30.100 hardware store where like the zodiac killer is living or 178 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:34.179 working out at the end of soviet like yeah um but. 179 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:36.519 Yeah oh no i was gonna say that is also 180 00:08:36.539 --> 00:08:39.870 the scene where he first like tells broderick about like 181 00:08:39.909 --> 00:08:45.019 his his sex life with Witherspoon. David Gill said that 182 00:08:45.059 --> 00:08:46.639 was a scene where in Test Audiences people were, like, 183 00:08:46.820 --> 00:08:49.500 appalled by that. Like, we're, like, walking out of the theater. Like, 184 00:08:49.539 --> 00:08:52.299 where it was just like... I mean, it is. 185 00:08:53.580 --> 00:08:55.960 It is an incredible scene because it's one of those, like, 186 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:58.399 if you are not on board, you might as well 187 00:08:58.419 --> 00:08:59.000 just get out. 188 00:08:59.340 --> 00:09:02.490 And it's, like, his line, the actor's delivery, and it's, like, 189 00:09:02.779 --> 00:09:05.490 right to the camera, and it's, like, so abrupt. It's, like, 190 00:09:05.590 --> 00:09:07.710 I don't think I did know that was part of 191 00:09:07.730 --> 00:09:09.029 the movie when I first watched it, so I was 192 00:09:09.049 --> 00:09:12.190 just like, whoa! Like, it's Hey mom. 193 00:09:12.250 --> 00:09:15.370 You want to watch this Reese Witherspoon movie I've never 194 00:09:15.409 --> 00:09:16.250 seen before? 195 00:09:17.669 --> 00:09:21.129 Also, a couple things. One, weird to watch that subplot 196 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:23.720 of the movie knowing that years after it came out, 197 00:09:24.200 --> 00:09:26.039 it was out in her pain, for people who are listening, 198 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:29.340 was accused by Rose McGowan of statutory rape against her 199 00:09:29.379 --> 00:09:33.960 when she was much younger. But yeah. Other thing, too, 200 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:37.159 you were talking about the Sundance premiere, so we were 201 00:09:37.179 --> 00:09:40.279 saying election didn't... didn't play at Sundance, but it was 202 00:09:40.840 --> 00:09:42.740 when they got the manuscript, David Gale said when he 203 00:09:42.759 --> 00:09:46.549 got the manuscript, he had seen Citizen Ruth at Sundance, 204 00:09:46.649 --> 00:09:48.090 and that's why he thought Payne would be a good 205 00:09:48.509 --> 00:09:51.350 choice to direct the movie. This is my other question, too, 206 00:09:51.370 --> 00:09:55.509 about the book. David Gale said that the book takes 207 00:09:55.529 --> 00:09:59.409 place in the 80s under the Reagan administration. Is that true? No. 208 00:10:00.500 --> 00:10:02.759 When I get to the trivia, I put all the 209 00:10:02.820 --> 00:10:03.940 book stuff, so we'll get to it. 210 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:04.980 Thank you. Awesome. 211 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:05.080 Okay. 212 00:10:05.100 --> 00:10:05.879 Looking forward to it. Yeah. 213 00:10:06.440 --> 00:10:09.179 But no, it takes place during the 92 election, which 214 00:10:09.379 --> 00:10:11.080 makes sense because it's parallels. 215 00:10:11.100 --> 00:10:11.200 Right. 216 00:10:12.690 --> 00:10:17.429 Also other stuff with 92 that I gasp at how 217 00:10:17.909 --> 00:10:20.429 far the book went for something at the end. But 218 00:10:21.429 --> 00:10:23.769 based on the novel by Tom Perretta. More on that later. 219 00:10:24.250 --> 00:10:27.009 Adapted by Alexander Payne and Jim Taylor. Both won an 220 00:10:27.070 --> 00:10:31.120 Oscar for Adapted Screenplay for Sideways in 2004. Also nominated 221 00:10:31.129 --> 00:10:36.860 for The Descendants in 2011. They also co-wrote Jurassic Park 222 00:10:36.860 --> 00:10:38.159 3 and I Now Pronounce You Chuck and Larry. 223 00:10:38.789 --> 00:10:41.789 Yep and the creepy teacher from election uh is is 224 00:10:41.870 --> 00:10:43.250

in the start of jurassic park 3 he's the one 225 00:10:43.269 --> 00:10:46.679 who's hang gliding uh with um uh trevor morgan uh 226 00:10:46.720 --> 00:10:48.980 the kid from uh mean creek and uh six cents 227 00:10:49.379 --> 00:10:51.700 um uh the other kid for six cents the one 228 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:52.840 who's into improv. 229 00:10:52.679 --> 00:10:59.679 Uh taylor solo also it was co-wrote but just him 230 00:10:59.720 --> 00:11:03.799 without alexander pain co-wrote uh juliette naked in 2018 um 231 00:11:04.159 --> 00:11:07.009 but did you know that tamra jenkins and jim taylor 232 00:11:07.029 --> 00:11:08.940 have been married since. 233 00:11:08.220 --> 00:11:11.519 2002 i did not know that yeah um wow. 234 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:14.080 Interesting and also alexander payne was married to sandra oh 235 00:11:14.100 --> 00:11:16.159 from like 03 to 06 i did not know that. 236 00:11:16.179 --> 00:11:20.210 Oh interesting yeah did she like when the relationship ended 237 00:11:20.259 --> 00:11:22.149 she hit him in the head with a motorcycle helmet 238 00:11:22.190 --> 00:11:25.789 like thomas hinton church and sideways. 239 00:11:25.669 --> 00:11:28.169 Um he was probably like don't don't do that one 240 00:11:28.210 --> 00:11:30.070 minute scene in hard candy sandra and she was like 241 00:11:30.090 --> 00:11:33.940 i'm doing it um Written by, we just fucking said that, 242 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:37.740 directed by Alexander Payne, prior to this, Citizen Ruth in 1996. 243 00:11:37.740 --> 00:11:39.080 Citizen Ruth is fucking awesome. 244 00:11:39.159 --> 00:11:40.580 I love Citizen Ruth. 245 00:11:41.419 --> 00:11:44.929 After this, About Schmidt in 2002, Sideways in 2004, Descendants 246 00:11:45.149 --> 00:11:47.429 in 2011. He took seven years off. It must have 247 00:11:47.970 --> 00:11:49.549 taken a lot out of him to write about Chuck 248 00:11:49.570 --> 00:11:49.950 and Larry. 249 00:11:50.809 --> 00:11:51.809 So much wine. 250 00:11:51.830 --> 00:11:59.190 Nebraska in 2013, Downsizing in 2017. Don't put talking heads 251 00:11:59.230 --> 00:12:02.059 in your trailer. Just saying, it's a curse. Um, and 252 00:12:02.100 --> 00:12:04.659 the holdovers in 2023, he is apparently in the midst 253 00:12:05.039 --> 00:12:08.350 of a, uh, Danish language film called somewhere out there. 254 00:12:08.730 --> 00:12:10.809 It's going to be like made in Denmark or like 255 00:12:10.850 --> 00:12:11.850 in the Danish language. 256 00:12:11.929 --> 00:12:12.809 Is Danish language. 257 00:12:12.830 --> 00:12:12.929 Yeah. 258 00:12:13.570 --> 00:12:15.350 I don't know where the fuck that came from because 259 00:12:15.710 --> 00:12:18.769 all of his movies are like, so I was raised 260 00:12:18.809 --> 00:12:20.169 in Omaha and it's like, yeah, I know. 261 00:12:20.649 --> 00:12:23.799 Um, real quick. I, this is like, I'm not asking 262 00:12:23.820 --> 00:12:26.159 us to get into initial thoughts, but like, um, aside 263 00:12:26.179 -->

00:12:29.600 from the man himself, um, what do you like Alexander 264 00:12:29.620 --> 00:12:30.100 Payne's movies? 265 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:32.179 Like how, where do you, I have only seen this 266 00:12:32.259 --> 00:12:35.059 and citizen Ruth. So I like both of them. It's 267 00:12:35.100 --> 00:12:37.250 just the thing of like everything else. I was kind 268 00:12:37.279 --> 00:12:40.210 of like, don't really have interest. I do want to 269 00:12:40.250 --> 00:12:44.740 watch the holdovers and maybe about Schmidt. The Descendants, not really. 270 00:12:45.340 --> 00:12:47.799 I see The Descendants, and I just think about George 271 00:12:47.840 --> 00:12:51.419 Clooney winning the Golden Globe over Michael Fassbender in Shame. 272 00:12:51.879 --> 00:12:53.440 That's all I remember. 273 00:12:54.059 --> 00:12:55.740 I do like that movie, although I've heard people say 274 00:12:55.759 --> 00:13:00.159 that its depictions of Hawaiian culture is not great, which 275 00:13:00.230 --> 00:13:02.950 I can't speak to that, but I do remember liking 276 00:13:02.970 --> 00:13:07.269 some of the family relationship stuff in that. Downsizing, I 277 00:13:07.289 --> 00:13:10.350 found A Slug to Sit Through. But Holdovers is charming. Yeah. 278 00:13:11.710 --> 00:13:13.889 And Nebraska, I don't really remember. I saw it when 279 00:13:13.929 --> 00:13:15.649 I was like, I mean, my dad took me to 280 00:13:15.669 --> 00:13:17.250 see it when I was like 15 or whatever. 281 00:13:17.309 --> 00:13:21.230 It's like an old person movie and your dad was 282 00:13:21.250 --> 00:13:24.330 just like, even I don't want to watch this. Starring 283 00:13:24.389 --> 00:13:27.669 Matthew Broderick as Jim McAllister. Prior to this, War Games 284 00:13:27.750 --> 00:13:31.159 in 1983. Ferris Bueller's Day Off in 1986. This is 285 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:33.220 funny because Alexander Payne on the commentary, which is a 286 00:13:33.419 --> 00:13:36.779 very good commentary, said he had never seen Ferris Bueller, 287 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:39.559 but somebody, like when he was doing the commentary from, 288 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:42.720 so like 99, 2000. he said he had never seen 289 00:13:42.759 --> 00:13:44.850 Ferris Bueller, but somebody got him a tape and he's 290 00:13:44.870 --> 00:13:46.129 going to watch it soon. And I was like, somebody 291 00:13:46.169 --> 00:13:47.990 got you a tape. I was like, bitch, take your 292 00:13:48.149 --> 00:13:51.129 lazy ass to blockbuster and go rent it. I'm on 293 00:13:51.149 --> 00:13:53.190 the phone. Could somebody give me a tape of Ferris 294 00:13:53.210 --> 00:13:56.610 Bueller's day off? Um, also that's insane. You haven't seen 295 00:13:56.649 --> 00:13:57.450 Ferris Bueller's day off. 296 00:13:57.460 --> 00:13:57.700 Whatever. 297 00:13:58.220 --> 00:13:59.500 What had he seen him? And he was like, I 298 00:13:59.519 --> 00:14:01.759 saw Bluxy blues. I thought, uh, I thought, uh, that 299 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:04.799

was a real guy to be me at this. 300 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:05.899 Yeah. Damn it. 301 00:14:05.919 --> 00:14:07.779 I already had a Bluxy blues joke in here. I'm 302 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:11.240 still going to say it. Um, A movie you only 303 00:14:11.269 --> 00:14:13.960 watched in history class over the course of seven days, Glory, 304 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:14.100 in 1989. 305 00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:17.159 I watched it on a tape last year. 306 00:14:18.019 --> 00:14:19.840 Is it a two-taper or just one? 307 00:14:19.879 --> 00:14:22.759 No, I think it's maybe just about two hours. Okay. 308 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:27.519 It's nine hours long, but whatever. The Lion King in 1994. 309 00:14:27.519 --> 00:14:29.490 The best film of the 20th century, The Cable Guy 310 00:14:29.570 --> 00:14:33.409 in 1996. I did not know this. He also directed 311 00:14:33.450 --> 00:14:35.090 a movie called Infinity in the same year. 312 00:14:35.110 --> 00:14:37.250 I don't think I knew that either. Interesting. 313 00:14:38.129 --> 00:14:40.250 He's the lead, and it's kind of a stack cast. 314 00:14:40.470 --> 00:14:41.889 I told Jack, and I was like, you should know 315 00:14:41.909 --> 00:14:43.360 about this. He was like, oh, I know about this. 316 00:14:43.379 --> 00:14:46.340 I was like, of course you know about this. Addicted 317 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:48.539 to Love in 1997. I forget if we've talked about 318 00:14:48.559 --> 00:14:52.840 Addicted to Love on the pod, but the truly demented movie. No, 319 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:55.759 we talked about it for After Hours. That's right. Godzilla 320 00:14:55.820 --> 00:14:59.370 in 1998. Oh, I was there in theaters. Let me 321 00:14:59.389 --> 00:15:02.370 tell you. I need to re-watch that garbage. Inspector Gadget 322 00:15:02.429 --> 00:15:06.419 in 1999. After this, you can count on me in 2000. 323 00:15:06.419 --> 00:15:08.879 pretty wild at how long he was a leading man. 324 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:13.840 Like literally from 86, all the instill Godzilla is still 325 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:16.659 leading inspector gadgets, still leading. You can count on me. 326 00:15:17.450 --> 00:15:19.450 I don't remember his role in that. I love that movie, 327 00:15:19.570 --> 00:15:20.549 but I'm. 328 00:15:20.490 --> 00:15:23.169 Sure like a supporting role in that. Like it's, yeah, 329 00:15:23.389 --> 00:15:25.950 that seems like maybe like the transitional phase of him 330 00:15:25.970 --> 00:15:29.289 where he's like, he's, he's like the boss that, uh, 331 00:15:29.350 --> 00:15:31.210 Laura Lenny hooks up with, starts hooking up with. 332 00:15:31.570 --> 00:15:31.970 Um, yeah. 333 00:15:32.129 --> 00:15:32.269 Yeah. 334 00:15:32.700 --> 00:15:34.500 But he's not the main character in that movie at all. 335 00:15:34.980 --> 00:15:38.759 Yeah. So from 99 until 2004, he's not starring in 336 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:41.419 a movie. Then he stars in The Last Shot in 04, 337 00:15:41.419 --> 00:15:43.360 which doesn't really exist. 338 00:15:43.559 --> 00:15:45.279 I think I've seen the poster where he's holding up 339 00:15:45.320 --> 00:15:46.379 his hand as if like. 340 00:15:48.070 --> 00:15:48.870 No, this is The Last Shot. 341 00:15:48.929 --> 00:15:49.409 No, it's not. 342 00:15:49.750 --> 00:15:53.269 Don't do it. But then The Producers in 2005. And 343 00:15:53.929 --> 00:15:56.929 then Deck the Halls in 06, which whatever. But still 344 00:15:56.950 --> 00:16:00.629 a leading man. Like, still. And then, of course, for Charlie, 345 00:16:01.029 --> 00:16:04.580 Margaret in 2011. And also Tower Heist, which we all 346 00:16:04.620 --> 00:16:07.940 saw in theaters. Oh, just me? Okay. 347 00:16:08.059 --> 00:16:09.799 But that's one of the few movies I think I 348 00:16:09.820 --> 00:16:12.450 saw with my whole entire family. Like my two older 349 00:16:12.470 --> 00:16:13.649 brothers and my parents. 350 00:16:13.970 --> 00:16:17.409 The whole family's coming out for the heist. Wow. What 351 00:16:17.429 --> 00:16:20.740 is one thing you remember from that movie? Please tell me. 352 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:23.860 I just remember the hype at the time. Just like 353 00:16:23.899 --> 00:16:26.120 Eddie Murphy's in a movie that's not like embarrassing. 354 00:16:26.399 --> 00:16:29.370 Like. yeah they well there was also i remember people 355 00:16:29.389 --> 00:16:31.230 getting mad because there's a bit where he um eddie 356 00:16:31.250 --> 00:16:34.649 murphy makes jokes about um ben stiller's character having seizures 357 00:16:34.690 --> 00:16:36.690 when he was a child the big thing that they 358 00:16:36.710 --> 00:16:38.269 do at the end it's like a big set piece 359 00:16:38.289 --> 00:16:40.049 where like they find out that the gold they're trying 360 00:16:40.100 --> 00:16:42.740 to steal is in the car that alan alta has 361 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:44.379 in his penthouse and they like try to move the 362 00:16:44.419 --> 00:16:46.139 car out the window. 363 00:16:45.820 --> 00:16:49.940 Of like the high rise yeah nope don't remember i 364 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:54.240 mean that was 15 years ago. 365 00:16:53.879 --> 00:16:57.039 Yep november 2011 Didn't need to know that. The reason 366 00:16:57.059 --> 00:16:59.700 I remember that well is because I think my family had, like, 367 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:02.240 just moved houses. We had moved, like, from Oakville to Burlington, like, 368 00:17:02.259 --> 00:17:03.860 the next town over, and that was, like, one of 369 00:17:03.899 --> 00:17:05.079 the first movies that we saw, like, when we were 370 00:17:05.099 --> 00:17:06.900 living at a house, and I saw it with my family. 371 00:17:07.240 --> 00:17:09.240 Was that rated R or is it PG-13? 372 00:17:09.319 --> 00:17:10.589 It's PG-13. Yeah. 373 00:17:10.900 --> 00:17:12.640 Okay. 374 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:15.529 Manchester by the Sea in 2016. 375 00:17:15.529 --> 00:17:17.730 Great movie. And I think he's actually really good in 376

00:17:17.769 --> 00:17:18.829 his one scene in the movie. 377 00:17:19.250 --> 00:17:22.470 Really good. Like, the best fucking movie ever. Every time 378 00:17:22.529 --> 00:17:24.329 I saw it in theaters, did he say every time? Yes, 379 00:17:24.390 --> 00:17:26.279 I did. Stay out of it. Every time I saw 380 00:17:26.309 --> 00:17:29.190 it in theaters, when he pops up, like, everybody laughed. Like, 381 00:17:31.369 --> 00:17:34.250 they laughed as if, like, is that Blixie Blues? Is 382 00:17:34.289 --> 00:17:40.430 that my man? Yeah. For Michelle, rules don't apply in 2016. 383 00:17:40.509 --> 00:17:44.640 He also hosted SNL in 1988 and 1998 and popped 384 00:17:44.680 --> 00:17:47.420 up in the cold open of season 45, episode 2 385 00:17:47.420 --> 00:17:48.000 of SNL. 386 00:17:48.720 --> 00:17:51.099 Yes, I forgot that he hosted Saturday Night Live. I 387 00:17:51.099 --> 00:17:54.920 know this because... the musical act that he introduced is 388 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:56.710 the sugar cues, the band that Bjork was in before 389 00:17:56.730 --> 00:17:58.029 she went solo. Yeah. 390 00:17:58.329 --> 00:18:00.630 Painkiller miniseries in 2023. Right. 391 00:18:00.650 --> 00:18:02.890 Which they, like I looked it up and it was like, 392 00:18:03.069 --> 00:18:06.910 so it's basically just doing dope sick. The same thing. 393 00:18:06.930 --> 00:18:08.950 The show that had come out like a year prior, 394 00:18:09.029 --> 00:18:12.599 but it's directed by Peter Berg now. So God worse, 395 00:18:12.900 --> 00:18:14.680 I guess. I don't know. I don't know. 396 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:15.660 Yeah. 397 00:18:16.180 --> 00:18:18.079 I mean, I would, if that was like a movie, 398 00:18:18.500 --> 00:18:21.119 I would watch that. Not directed by Peter Berg. You're 399 00:18:21.140 --> 00:18:24.200 just like, I would like a Broderick, like, leading man 400 00:18:24.539 --> 00:18:25.519 movies still today. 401 00:18:26.500 --> 00:18:26.720 Sure. 402 00:18:26.740 --> 00:18:30.380 In two episodes of Only Murders in the Building in 403 00:18:30.380 --> 00:18:35.000 2023 as himself. I didn't look this up, but is 404 00:18:35.039 --> 00:18:39.859 Matthew Broderick a cool guy? I do know he accidentally 405 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:43.160 killed two people. 406 00:18:43.180 --> 00:18:45.599 Yes. I think that truly sounds like it was a 407 00:18:45.680 --> 00:18:50.269 tragic accident. It's not like he was maliciously doing that. 408 00:18:50.309 --> 00:18:54.700 But yeah. I want him to be a nice guy 409 00:18:54.720 --> 00:18:57.190 so bad. I just don't know. I don't know if 410 00:18:57.210 --> 00:18:59.509 this was him being just a young, annoying actor. I 411 00:18:59.549 --> 00:19:02.069 feel like I remember our friend Mitchell Bookray writing in 412 00:19:02.150 --> 00:19:04.930 their Letterboxd review of Glory. I think they watched it 413 00:19:04.950 --> 00:19:07.970 because they were reading Ed Zwick's book at the time. 414 00:19:07.990 --> 00:19:11.319 Ed Zwick, who directed the movie. And I think Zwick 415 00:19:11.700 --> 00:19:15.640 talks in that book about how Matthew Broderick and his 416 00:19:15.700 --> 00:19:19.319 mom were super fucking annoying and control freaks while making 417 00:19:19.339 --> 00:19:23.480 that movie. Someone can check my homework on that based 418 00:19:23.539 --> 00:19:26.519 on vaguely recalling one of her friends' Letterboxd reviews. But 419 00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:28.960 I think that is... I think now I remember hearing 420 00:19:28.980 --> 00:19:30.569 it at the time. I don't know if maybe he's 421 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:35.049 mellowed out in recent years as he's matured, hopefully. But yeah, 422 00:19:35.190 --> 00:19:37.410 I don't know too much about his personal life aside 423 00:19:37.430 --> 00:19:41.269 from that tragic accident and that one tidbit I just said. 424 00:19:41.269 --> 00:19:44.690 That was a year after Ferris Bueller? 425 00:19:44.690 --> 00:19:47.990 Holy fuck. Oh, geez well is it he's uh he 426 00:19:48.009 --> 00:19:49.880 was he was with jennifer gray i think who he 427 00:19:49.890 --> 00:19:51.940 was dating at the time i think yeah. 428 00:19:51.960 --> 00:19:55.019 Yeah hopefully he's nice google tells me somebody on reddit 429 00:19:55.059 --> 00:19:59.160 says yeah he's nice i'm gonna believe that person reese 430 00:19:59.180 --> 00:20:01.720 witherspoon is tracy flick she also seems nice and also 431 00:20:01.759 --> 00:20:04.700 looks like she like kills at parent-teacher conferences like let 432 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:07.220 me tell you like There's never been a 20 year 433 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:09.480 old more that like wanted to be a mom more. 434 00:20:09.579 --> 00:20:13.420 Like she just gives off mom energy. Uh, prior to this, uh, 435 00:20:13.460 --> 00:20:15.529 the man in the moon, 1991, that's our first film. 436 00:20:16.029 --> 00:20:18.029 Great movie. 437 00:20:18.049 --> 00:20:20.440 SFW in 1994. How have I not seen this? Uh, 438 00:20:20.569 --> 00:20:24.180 freeway in 1996. How the fuck have I not seen this? Uh, 439 00:20:24.289 --> 00:20:28.150 fear also in 1996. Oh, I've seen that. Uh, Pleasantville 440 00:20:28.730 --> 00:20:30.319 in 1996, 1998. I have not seen that. 441 00:20:30.339 --> 00:20:32.779 Fun fact came up on the day I was born. 442 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:37.630 Holy shit. Uh, uh, In 98? Wait a minute. 443 00:20:37.670 --> 00:20:39.069 October 23rd, 1998. 444 00:20:39.069 --> 00:20:42.309 Holy shit. It didn't come out the day I was born, 445 00:20:42.349 --> 00:20:45.769 but the number one movie, the number one movie a 446 00:20:45.809 --> 00:20:49.390 few days after I was born was Honeymoon in Vegas. Cool. 447 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:49.890 Oh, wow. 448 00:20:50.619 --> 00:20:51.730 And have you seen it yet? 449 00:20:52.759 --> 00:20:54.539 I watched it a few years ago. It was fun. 450 00:20:54.640 --> 00:20:55.079 Oh, okay. 451 00:20:55.119 --> 00:20:55.940 There you go. 452

00:20:55.960 --> 00:20:58.079 Same year as this, Cruel Intentions, hell yeah. One of 453 00:20:58.099 --> 00:21:00.799 the greatest needle drops of all time. After this, American 454 00:21:00.819 --> 00:21:05.329 Psycho and Little Nicky in 2000, just back-to-back bangers. Legally 455 00:21:05.369 --> 00:21:09.230 Blonde in 2001, a perfect film. Legally Blonde 2 in 2003, 456 00:21:09.230 --> 00:21:12.559 a barely existent film. Walk the Line in 2005, won 457 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:15.759 the Oscar for that. And does it really cash in 458 00:21:15.859 --> 00:21:19.599 on it? Immediately after that, it was just like, until like, 459 00:21:20.380 --> 00:21:23.519 wild in 2014 as far as something where it's like dramatic, 460 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:26.450 trying to, you know. Maybe trying to get awards, but just, like, 461 00:21:26.549 --> 00:21:30.109 anything dramatic. Maybe Mud in 2012. 462 00:21:30.109 --> 00:21:33.019 Uh, yeah, that's support. I feel like the one that had, like, 463 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:35.559 the awards buzz in that was McConaughey, for sure. 464 00:21:35.579 --> 00:21:36.240 Oh, yeah. 465 00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:39.599 But, yeah, like, her two follow-ups to Walk the Line are, like, what, Rendition, 466 00:21:39.839 --> 00:21:42.299 which is, like, a forgotten prestige sort of thriller about, like, 467 00:21:42.319 --> 00:21:44.119 you know, torture and stuff like that. She has, like, 468 00:21:44.140 --> 00:21:46.480 a supporting role in Penelope, where Christina Ricci has the 469 00:21:46.500 --> 00:21:47.000 pig nose. 470 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:53.069 Yeah. We used to make films. And in 2008, one Christmas... Wait, two... Wait, 471 00:21:53.230 --> 00:21:57.099 what the... Three Christmases... Ain't no... Four Christmases in 2008. 472 00:21:57.099 --> 00:21:57.680 Holy shit. 473 00:21:57.980 --> 00:21:58.140 Whoa. 474 00:21:58.740 --> 00:22:01.289 That's a movie that does not exist. How Do You 475 00:22:01.329 --> 00:22:03.509 Know in 2010? That's also a movie that doesn't exist. 476 00:22:03.950 --> 00:22:06.049 Devil's Not in 2013. I need to watch that, even 477 00:22:06.069 --> 00:22:08.109 though I've heard it is quite bad. 478 00:22:09.109 --> 00:22:11.970 My first Adam and Gohan movie, because that's the kind 479 00:22:12.009 --> 00:22:12.650 of Canadian I am. 480 00:22:12.670 --> 00:22:16.809 Well, it's like I've seen four documentaries on the Memphis Three, 481 00:22:17.089 --> 00:22:21.730 and I haven't seen the bad fictional, or non-fiction, whatever, movie. 482 00:22:21.950 --> 00:22:24.430 I just gotta do it. uh, home again in 2017. 483 00:22:24.430 --> 00:22:29.150 It's okay. Yeah. 14 episodes, but really seven episodes of 484 00:22:29.210 --> 00:22:29.880 big little lies. 485 00:22:30.670 --> 00:22:32.650 Great. She's great in that. Yeah. Yeah. 486 00:22:33.019 --> 00:22:35.019 And then 40 episodes of the morning show, which has 487 00:22:35.220 --> 00:22:38.299 never had, it will never be referenced in any other 488 00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:43.039 medium ever, but somehow just continues to exist. I don't know. 489 00:22:43.059 --> 00:22:43.619 I don't understand. 490 00:22:43.839 --> 00:22:47.359 Yeah. I think my parents were watching that for like 491 00:22:47.380 --> 00:22:49.940 a couple of seasons. And then like, I think it was, uh, 492 00:22:50.670 --> 00:22:51.950 I feel like a little time, a little bit of 493 00:22:51.970 --> 00:22:53.269 time I passed my parents, but like if they came 494 00:22:53.349 --> 00:22:54.950 out shows to watch and like my dad was like, 495 00:22:55.289 --> 00:22:56.710 we have the morning show to still to watch. And 496 00:22:56.730 --> 00:22:58.190 I was like, yeah. 497 00:23:00.430 --> 00:23:03.910 Like, do we have to? Um, and now she's like, 498 00:23:04.130 --> 00:23:07.190 has her own production company and is a big producer now. 499 00:23:07.950 --> 00:23:10.029 Right. Doesn't she like, like sort of spearhead like a 500 00:23:10.049 --> 00:23:12.119 lot of, uh, books that get made into movies. Like, 501 00:23:12.210 --> 00:23:14.720 wasn't she like part of like where the crawdad scene 502 00:23:14.920 --> 00:23:16.880 getting made into a movie or something like that? I 503 00:23:16.900 --> 00:23:17.559 feel like that's right. 504 00:23:18.180 --> 00:23:20.690 Yeah. And I think, what is it, Little Fires Everywhere, 505 00:23:20.730 --> 00:23:22.730 which she starred in, I'm pretty sure it was a book. 506 00:23:22.890 --> 00:23:25.609 Oh, yeah. I do kind of want to watch that, 507 00:23:25.650 --> 00:23:28.769 even though it looks like a lot of yelling in 508 00:23:28.849 --> 00:23:29.410 that show. 509 00:23:30.529 --> 00:23:30.849 Yeah. 510 00:23:30.869 --> 00:23:41.619 Where her daughter says, like, I'm not perfect. And Reese Witherspoon. 511 00:23:38.200 --> 00:23:40.079 Is like, yes, you are! Also hosted SNL 2001, but 512 00:23:40.119 --> 00:23:42.900 to be precise, the first episode post-9-11. 513 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:43.200 Whoa. Yeah. 514 00:23:45.859 --> 00:23:47.700 She did an interview last year saying it was too 515 00:23:47.740 --> 00:23:50.859 much for somebody who was only 24 fucking years old 516 00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:53.259 at the time. Like, can you imagine? 517 00:23:53.339 --> 00:23:56.019 I mean, that's the thing. She turned 50 this year, 518 00:23:56.220 --> 00:23:58.880 if she even is 50 right now. But, like, think 519 00:23:58.920 --> 00:24:00.869 about that. So, Man in the Moon is, like, 1991. So, 520 00:24:01.349 --> 00:24:03.069 she's been acting in movies since she was, like, 15 521 00:24:03.069 --> 00:24:04.490 years old. That's fucking crazy. 522 00:24:04.650 --> 00:24:04.990 Like, I mean. 523 00:24:05.029 --> 00:24:05.210 Yeah. 524 00:24:05.829 --> 00:24:08.049 But, yeah, that was the famous one that starts with 525 00:24:08.130 --> 00:24:13.250 really Giuliani and Lorne Michaels asks, can SNL be funny? And, unfortunately... 526 00:24:13.390 --> 00:24:17.799 Rudy Giuliani has

the funny line of, why start now? Also, 527 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:18.319 that episode. 528 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:20.339 Who was the musical guest on this episode? Did he 529 00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:20.640 have one? 530 00:24:21.819 --> 00:24:25.660 Oh, Paul Simon. Oh, okay. Which, of course, yeah, Lorne 531 00:24:25.680 --> 00:24:26.990 Michaels was just like, would you like to come on 532 00:24:27.029 --> 00:24:29.769 for your 19th time? That episode was also the debut 533 00:24:29.809 --> 00:24:31.009 of Amy Poehler in Seth Meyers. 534 00:24:31.029 --> 00:24:32.170 Wow. 535 00:24:32.190 --> 00:24:35.970 And she also hosted in 2015. Also starring in a 536 00:24:36.130 --> 00:24:39.680 flawless performance, Chris Klein in his feature debut. which I 537 00:24:39.799 --> 00:24:41.799 forgot if I put down the trivia, but basically they 538 00:24:41.819 --> 00:24:44.609 were just scouting out schools in Omaha, and somebody was 539 00:24:44.630 --> 00:24:48.109 just like, hey, they're doing a movie. Fucking Chris, he 540 00:24:48.150 --> 00:24:50.150 does like, he was in a play or something like that, 541 00:24:50.529 --> 00:24:53.630 and they met each other, and then Alexander Payne went 542 00:24:53.670 --> 00:24:55.650 and auditioned like 50 people, and he was just like, 543 00:24:56.769 --> 00:24:58.730 and got on the phone with Omaha. He's like, is 544 00:24:58.750 --> 00:25:03.450 there a Chris Klein that takes classes there? And then, yeah, 545 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:07.859 my queen Colleen Camp is here, and Nicholas Diago as Larry, 546 00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:11.470 who's Imagine being 18 years old and being named Larry. 547 00:25:12.069 --> 00:25:14.990 Larry Fouch. Yeah, it sticks in the brain. I mean, 548 00:25:15.049 --> 00:25:17.579 I think it's because the principal, the actor playing the principal, 549 00:25:17.930 --> 00:25:19.559 they also line up like, easy there, Fouch. 550 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:20.380 Fouch. 551 00:25:21.460 --> 00:25:26.119 Who's, God, what's the last name of, oh, Dave Novotny. 552 00:25:26.460 --> 00:25:29.519 Novotny is such a good name. Paul Mexler, I believe 553 00:25:29.819 --> 00:25:32.019 they have a different last name in the book. Trivia. 554 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:36.029 I have a lot. Okay. Payne was sent the unpublished 555 00:25:36.069 --> 00:25:39.329 manuscript for the Tomb Raider book back in 1966. Payne 556 00:25:39.349 --> 00:25:41.089 didn't want to do a high school movie and ignored 557 00:25:41.130 --> 00:25:43.039 it for six months, but eventually read it, and here 558 00:25:43.059 --> 00:25:45.670 we are. It was filmed in late 97, and the 559 00:25:45.710 --> 00:25:48.640 book was published in March 1998. The film was supposed 560 00:25:48.660 --> 00:25:51.400 to release in 1998, but it was delayed. So actually, 561 00:25:51.420 --> 00:25:54.680 the movie almost came out before the book actually got published. 562 00:25:55.640 --> 00:25:58.319 The book was inspired by the 1992 election and an 563 00:25:58.460 --> 00:26:01.579 incident in 1992 at a Wisconsin high school where a 564 00:26:01.660 --> 00:26:04.559 pregnant student was elected homecoming queen, but the staff announced 565 00:26:04.599 --> 00:26:07.279 a different winner and burned the ballots to cover it up. 566 00:26:09.670 --> 00:26:12.809 I need a documentary about that right fucking now. In 567 00:26:12.849 --> 00:26:15.470 the text of a newspaper article in the film, which 568 00:26:15.769 --> 00:26:18.170 Payne said in the commentary, he actually wrote all of 569 00:26:18.190 --> 00:26:20.960 that because he says he hates watching movies where you 570 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:23.839 see newspapers and it's a bunch of whatever. But one 571 00:26:23.859 --> 00:26:25.960 of the articles says, if you pause the film in 572 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:27.920 order to read this entire article, your time would be 573 00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:31.029 better spent renting Citizen Ruth from your local video store. 574 00:26:31.309 --> 00:26:32.589 Do you know how hard it is to write these 575 00:26:32.630 --> 00:26:35.250 fake few stories for newspaper movie props? I've got better 576 00:26:35.269 --> 00:26:40.279 things to do. Cheeky. Reese Witherspoon disapproved of director Alexander 577 00:26:40.299 --> 00:26:42.579 Payne's decision to include a freeze frame of Tracy with 578 00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:43.380 a contorted face. 579 00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:44.200 All right. 580 00:26:45.099 --> 00:26:47.740 Uh, Thor Birch was originally cast as Tammy Mexler, but 581 00:26:47.779 --> 00:26:50.440 left the filming in Omaha on her third day because 582 00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:54.829 of creative differences with Alexander Payne interviews, uh, life of 583 00:26:54.869 --> 00:26:57.450 David Gill interview. He, he mentioned this, but he does 584 00:26:57.529 --> 00:27:01.390 not say a reason. He kind of says like, Oh yeah, like, 585 00:27:01.769 --> 00:27:05.509 like something happened and nobody's talking about it from what I, uh, 586 00:27:05.569 --> 00:27:07.990 Thor Birch's parents are kind of, How do I say 587 00:27:08.059 --> 00:27:11.960 this sensitively? They suck. So maybe it had something to 588 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:13.299 do with that, but who knows? 589 00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:14.420 Maybe. 590 00:27:14.460 --> 00:27:16.420 Paramount wanted to bury this movie because they didn't feel 591 00:27:16.460 --> 00:27:18.539 it appealed to the youths, and once they first saw it, 592 00:27:18.539 --> 00:27:20.279 they even told you the idea of putting it straight 593 00:27:20.299 --> 00:27:23.700 to video. They only opened it in six theaters, but eventually, 594 00:27:23.740 --> 00:27:25.539 through very positive reviews, they decided to put it in 595 00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:29.880 a wide release. The ending was reshot, presumably after poor 596 00:27:29.940 --> 00:27:32.559 test screenings. Six months was needed to wait for Broderick 597 00:27:32.579 --> 00:27:34.819 to get done with

Inspector Gadget, LOL, and then shoot 598 00:27:34.859 --> 00:27:37.390 the new ending. The original ending was closer to the 599 00:27:37.450 --> 00:27:40.009 novel featuring Mr. McAllister working at a car dealership in 600 00:27:40.069 --> 00:27:42.049 Omaha and Tracy going to visit him before she leaves 601 00:27:42.069 --> 00:27:45.539 for college. This wasn't known until 2011 when a tape 602 00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:47.279 of the work print was found in a box of 603 00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:48.240 tapes at a yard sale. 604 00:27:49.539 --> 00:27:53.660 How does that happen? We found the clip on YouTube. 605 00:27:53.809 --> 00:27:56.609 It is... I mean, it would be funny if someone 606 00:27:56.630 --> 00:27:59.869 tried to show a lecture with the alternate ending and 607 00:27:59.890 --> 00:28:03.789 it's like the pristine HD quality that just cuts it. 608 00:28:04.130 --> 00:28:06.470 What am I looking at here? I mean, even when 609 00:28:06.490 --> 00:28:09.880 he's writing the yearbook, I was thinking, I can't tell 610 00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:11.619 if I'm supposed to be able to read what he 611 00:28:11.660 --> 00:28:13.759 starts to write. Maybe he starts to write Dear Tracy 612 00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:15.799 or something like that, but I was like, there's a 613 00:28:15.819 --> 00:28:17.140 joke in there, I can't see it. 614 00:28:18.380 --> 00:28:20.400 Which, I guess this is a spoiler for the book, 615 00:28:20.420 --> 00:28:22.210 but the very last line is Tracy saying, will you 616 00:28:22.230 --> 00:28:24.269 sign my yearbook? So, we don't get to know in 617 00:28:24.309 --> 00:28:27.059 the book, but All right, the book differences. It's a 618 00:28:27.099 --> 00:28:30.400 very short book. I listened to the audio book. I'm 619 00:28:30.829 --> 00:28:33.109 a stupid moron. I'm not an intellectual. 620 00:28:33.150 --> 00:28:34.950 Who reads the book? Is it anyone notable? 621 00:28:36.849 --> 00:28:38.549 I don't know if anybody knows. I know the audio 622 00:28:38.569 --> 00:28:40.289 book was, like, new. Like, it just came out, like, 623 00:28:40.329 --> 00:28:44.460 two years ago. But different voice actors for every single character. 624 00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:45.359 Oh, that's cool. 625 00:28:45.559 --> 00:28:47.410 Yeah, it was cool. Book differences. 626 00:28:47.910 --> 00:28:48.109 Mr. 627 00:28:48.230 --> 00:28:49.890 M gets back with his wife and they have a 628 00:28:49.910 --> 00:28:50.609 kid in the book. 629 00:28:50.930 --> 00:28:51.849 No fucking way. 630 00:28:51.869 --> 00:28:55.619 She takes him back pretty soon afterwards. You know the 631 00:28:55.630 --> 00:28:57.940 scene where he comes home and he's talking to her 632 00:28:57.980 --> 00:29:00.079 and then she just slowly closes the door in his face? 633 00:29:00.509 --> 00:29:03.029 That happens, but she's like, just get in here. Like, 634 00:29:03.369 --> 00:29:03.970 no bullshit. 635 00:29:04.569 --> 00:29:09.490 That's wild. Also, did you recognize that was Molly Hagen 636 00:29:09.529 --> 00:29:11.170 from Ringmaster, of course? 637 00:29:12.259 --> 00:29:19.259 You know I didn't. Oh, Jesus, it's October now, which 638 00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:21.799 means on Halloween it's our fifth year anniversary. 639 00:29:23.769 --> 00:29:24.049 Woo! 640 00:29:24.089 --> 00:29:28.039 Let's rewatch Ringmaster to make sure that we just... Burn 641 00:29:28.059 --> 00:29:32.029 this podcast to the ground. Ash goes over the ground. 642 00:29:32.470 --> 00:29:35.650 Paul is not as dumb in the book. He's kind 643 00:29:35.690 --> 00:29:39.190 of the same character. He's a jockish person, but he 644 00:29:39.269 --> 00:29:42.440 gets good grades. people seem to like him but in 645 00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:45.390 the movie i mean i forget who i've ingested so 646 00:29:45.430 --> 00:29:49.029 much fucking election content it's already called content but they 647 00:29:49.069 --> 00:29:50.910 very much were just like let's take him but we 648 00:29:50.930 --> 00:29:53.109 have chris klein a week Pay him as a dope 649 00:29:53.130 --> 00:29:55.289 would be a lot funnier. And it is because it's 650 00:29:55.309 --> 00:29:58.329 fucking hilarious. But yeah, he's not as dumb. He's also 651 00:29:58.410 --> 00:30:00.829 very much like to be a rich kid while Tracy 652 00:30:00.869 --> 00:30:02.589 in the book is shown to be like very like 653 00:30:02.750 --> 00:30:06.430 working class, barely scrapes by his single mom. Like I 654 00:30:06.450 --> 00:30:09.910 said before, Tracy seemed like as a temptress. And yeah, 655 00:30:10.029 --> 00:30:11.470 all the all the men of the book just talk 656 00:30:11.509 --> 00:30:13.529 about how they can't stand her, but would all love 657 00:30:13.549 --> 00:30:16.309 to have sex with her. Mr. M does not get 658 00:30:16.329 --> 00:30:18.880 stung by a bee in the book, which I love 659 00:30:18.890 --> 00:30:21.230 that in the movie so much. Mr. M, what happened 660 00:30:21.250 --> 00:30:23.099 to your eye? It's a bee sting. It happens. 661 00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:26.960 His reaction to it is so funny. When it first happens, 662 00:30:26.980 --> 00:30:28.849 he's like, oh, oh, fuck. 663 00:30:31.769 --> 00:30:34.359 Let's see let's see the woman Mr. M cheats on 664 00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:36.859 isn't his teacher friend who got fired for sleeping with 665 00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:40.220 Tracy not his wife it's a family friend but it's 666 00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:44.980 basically the same situation at all he comes home after 667 00:30:45.259 --> 00:30:47.119 presumably wanted to get a hotel with her she doesn't 668 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:49.359 answer goes then he comes back home and she's there and. 669 00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:53.680 He leaves which also so that scene remember we talk 670 00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:55.289 about this every scene this is so funny but like 671 00:30:55.309 --> 00:30:57.970 when he when he like goes here's the beer he's 672 00:30:57.990 --> 00:30:59.710 getting

the beer from the fridge he hears like a 673 00:30:59.769 --> 00:31:02.569 baby crying And then, like, he, like, still is, like, 674 00:31:02.630 --> 00:31:05.450 tiptoeing into the room as if, like, he's like, maybe 675 00:31:05.470 --> 00:31:07.119 they don't know I'm here. And he just looks in 676 00:31:07.180 --> 00:31:08.920 and sees them. And it's almost like the ending of 677 00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:12.380 The Departed, where, like, he's like, okay, I'll see myself out. 678 00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:19.509 Almost, except when Mr. M suggests that they, like, get 679 00:31:19.529 --> 00:31:22.609 a hotel, and the wife has the fucking incredible line 680 00:31:22.630 --> 00:31:26.049 read of, that's not funny. But in the book, she says... 681 00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:32.599 But when he does that in the book, she says, 682 00:31:32.700 --> 00:31:34.500 don't ask me again unless you really want to know 683 00:31:34.539 --> 00:31:37.500 the answer. I'd throw away my marriage in an instant. 684 00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:41.000 That was hot. And lastly, just LOL, but at the 685 00:31:41.059 --> 00:31:44.119 end of the book, Mr. M doesn't feel like he 686 00:31:44.140 --> 00:31:46.559 has to run and hide, move to New York like 687 00:31:46.579 --> 00:31:49.359 he does in the movie. The election was a national 688 00:31:49.420 --> 00:31:55.000 news story until the LA riots happened. And Mr. McAllister 689 00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:57.730 legit says something to the effect of, I feel bad, 690 00:31:57.750 --> 00:32:00.130 but I felt relief watching all the buildings on fire 691 00:32:00.190 --> 00:32:03.779 on TV, knowing that they weren't focused on me anymore. 692 00:32:05.500 --> 00:32:08.259 That made me like almost like jump out of my car. 693 00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:09.839 I was like, Oh my God. 694 00:32:10.140 --> 00:32:11.180 That is very funny. 695 00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:11.900 Oh my. 696 00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:14.039 Goodness. 697 00:32:14.539 --> 00:32:18.190 But yeah, other than that, those are like the plot differences. I, 698 00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:22.940 I didn't think the book was as funny. It's very similar, 699 00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:25.900 but like also listening to the book, I don't, really 700 00:32:26.059 --> 00:32:28.259 see how much contempt he has for Tracy as he, 701 00:32:28.380 --> 00:32:29.900 as I do in the movie. Cause like every time 702 00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:33.369 they interact, Broderick is just so brilliant. Like everything he says, 703 00:32:33.410 --> 00:32:35.789 like he wants to say more, but he just keeps 704 00:32:35.829 --> 00:32:38.650 it very polite, very, but you can tell he's just 705 00:32:38.690 --> 00:32:41.569 like despises her for like no reason. 706 00:32:41.589 --> 00:32:44.019 You know what they say about the early bird? Yep. 707 00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:48.839 I do. We'll move on now to the presidential race 708 00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:50.220 with three candidates running. 709 00:32:50.519 --> 00:32:52.059 The first is Tracy flick. 710 00:32:52.420 --> 00:32:54.279 One thing that's important to know about me is that 711 00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:57.519 I'm an only child. My mom is really devoted to me. 712 00:32:57.819 --> 00:33:00.619 She likes to write letters to successful women like Elizabeth 713 00:33:00.660 --> 00:33:03.259 Dole and Connie Chung and ask them what advice do 714 00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:05.640 they have for me, Tracy, her daughter. 715 00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:09.900 The next candidate for student body president is Paul Metzler. 716 00:33:10.259 --> 00:33:12.519 I just don't think somebody would do something like that 717 00:33:12.559 --> 00:33:13.160 on purpose. 718 00:33:15.579 --> 00:33:16.339 I think you did it. 719 00:33:16.339 --> 00:33:17.980 And if you want to keep questioning me like this, 720 00:33:18.319 --> 00:33:21.200 I won't continue without my attorney present. I do not 721 00:33:21.299 --> 00:33:23.819 often speak with you and ask for things. But now 722 00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:25.900 I really must insist that you help me win the 723 00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:28.920 election tomorrow because I deserve it and Paul Metzler doesn't, 724 00:33:29.420 --> 00:33:30.079 as you well know. 725 00:33:30.619 --> 00:33:35.039 The final candidate, sophomore Tammy Metzler. I'm attracted to the person. 726 00:33:35.380 --> 00:33:37.680 It's just that all the people I've ever been attracted 727 00:33:37.700 --> 00:33:38.599 to happen to be girls. 728 00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:40.940 You should stop her. She's not qualified. 729 00:33:40.980 --> 00:33:43.099 We can't both run, can we? I mean, we're brother 730 00:33:43.140 --> 00:33:44.460 and sister, can we? 731 00:33:45.529 --> 00:33:47.750 When I win the presidency, that means you and I 732 00:33:47.750 --> 00:33:48.529 are going to be spending. 733 00:33:48.410 --> 00:33:49.190 A lot of time together. 734 00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:53.140 Cast your vote for Tracy Flick next week. You won't 735 00:33:53.180 --> 00:33:54.279 just be voting for me. 736 00:33:55.180 --> 00:33:56.339 You'll be voting for yourself. 737 00:33:56.839 --> 00:33:58.700 Who knew how high she would climb in life? 738 00:33:59.180 --> 00:34:01.900 I had to stop her. 739 00:34:01.940 --> 00:34:05.549 Paramount Pictures presents an MTV Films production. 740 00:34:05.980 --> 00:34:07.390 Order! Order! 741 00:34:07.450 --> 00:34:10.170 Starring Matthew Broderick, Reese Witherspoon. 742 00:34:10.190 --> 00:34:11.670 Hey, what happened to your eye? 743 00:34:11.889 --> 00:34:12.699 What happened to your eye? 744 00:34:12.929 --> 00:34:14.829 Are you okay, Miss McAllister? I'm fine. 745 00:34:15.050 --> 00:34:20.130 On the road to greatness. Never underestimate an overachiever. 746 00:34:20.900 --> 00:34:22.599 Looks like you could use a cupcake. 747 00:34:23.300 --> 00:34:25.559 Election. Cast your vote. 748 00:34:25.940 --> 00:34:26.760 Or don't vote at. 749 00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:28.559 All! 750 00:34:28.579 --> 00:34:31.179

But yeah, that's all the trivia I have. Bryden, I 751 00:34:31.219 --> 00:34:32.280 assume you'd seen this prior. 752 00:34:32.300 --> 00:34:36.230 Yes, but only recently. Like, in the last year or so. 753 00:34:36.309 --> 00:34:39.710 I had weirdly not seen this before growing up, although 754 00:34:39.750 --> 00:34:42.090 I knew about, like, you know, of course, like, the 755 00:34:42.349 --> 00:34:44.369 pick flick and stuff like that. It's like, I knew 756 00:34:44.389 --> 00:34:46.900 about that, and... Yeah, like, I think one of the 757 00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:50.239 criterion covers, like, the image with, like, the cupcakes. And 758 00:34:50.340 --> 00:34:54.440 I'd seen, of course, like, and I think I mentioned, like, watching, like, the... Oh, 759 00:34:54.480 --> 00:34:55.900 you know what? This was off mic. We talked about this. 760 00:34:56.300 --> 00:34:58.119 When I was in high school, I had to watch 761 00:34:58.460 --> 00:35:00.820 a documentary, I think, called The Cutting Edge, where it 762 00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:05.309 was about... uh, at film editing. And they showed, um, 763 00:35:05.389 --> 00:35:09.849 the scene, uh, in this movie where Broderick's, um, lies about, uh, 764 00:35:10.150 --> 00:35:12.710 throwing out the ballots for flick or, or revealed. And like, 765 00:35:12.730 --> 00:35:15.230 they keep like cutting to like all the closeup shots, um, 766 00:35:15.269 --> 00:35:16.969 of everyone reacting to him and him looking like just 767 00:35:17.030 --> 00:35:19.750 completely like, you know, deer in headlights with this beast thing. Um, 768 00:35:21.230 --> 00:35:23.170 And I think, like, Payne was, like, talking about how, like, 769 00:35:23.190 --> 00:35:25.230 when they initially, they're going through the idea of editing that, 770 00:35:25.269 --> 00:35:27.690 he was like, this is gonna be, like, way too much. Like, just, like, of, like, 771 00:35:27.710 --> 00:35:30.090 having those same shots, like, just keep repeating. But then, like, 772 00:35:30.110 --> 00:35:32.110 when you see it, and I think he, like, came 773 00:35:32.150 --> 00:35:34.420 to this realization, and it's absolutely true in the movie. 774 00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:36.579 It's so effective. Like, just how it, like, keeps ramping 775 00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:40.480 up with that music going, especially. I like this movie. Yeah, 776 00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:44.650 really like it. And I haven't read the book. I 777 00:35:44.690 --> 00:35:46.969 don't know that I, you know, maybe I will someday. 778 00:35:47.530 --> 00:35:49.690 I also know that there's a sequel to the book 779 00:35:49.769 --> 00:35:52.889 that came out in the last few years. Wonder how 780 00:35:52.940 --> 00:35:53.400 that is. 781 00:35:54.820 --> 00:35:57.739 There is, like, almost as soon as the book came out, 782 00:35:58.199 --> 00:36:01.260 it got optioned for Paramount +. Paying side on, re-side on, 783 00:36:01.340 --> 00:36:04.260 re-side on to produce. The thing that is hung

up, 784 00:36:04.320 --> 00:36:06.860 which I believe he talked about this for Holdovers, is like, 785 00:36:06.880 --> 00:36:08.840 I really want to do it, but I don't want 786 00:36:08.860 --> 00:36:11.960 to do another fucking high school movie. Like, Alexander Payne 787 00:36:12.059 --> 00:36:14.760 fucking hates high school. So he's like, I want to 788 00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:19.329 faithfully adapt it, but make it our own, which is 789 00:36:19.389 --> 00:36:22.789 what he did with elections. So we'll see. It's him 790 00:36:22.829 --> 00:36:25.309 and Jim Taylor again that are doing it. Who knows? 791 00:36:25.929 --> 00:36:28.659 Especially with Paramount merger now, if that's even a thing. 792 00:36:29.360 --> 00:36:31.719 Maybe you'll be like, what if she's at college instead 793 00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:36.500 of high school? Is that better? Dude. And also you 794 00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:38.179 said Paramount Plus has the rights to it? No, it's 795 00:36:38.389 --> 00:36:41.920 kind of... It's the thing I think I talked about 796 00:36:41.940 --> 00:36:44.679 in the previous episode, but Van Toffler talking about, it's like, 797 00:36:44.940 --> 00:36:46.860 I don't know, if you're making a Napoleon Dynamite or 798 00:36:46.880 --> 00:36:50.340 a Jackass, I think maybe we'd bypass theaters altogether. It's like, man, 799 00:36:50.579 --> 00:36:53.079 come on. That's the best. 800 00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:55.139 Part of Jackass, is that they're in theaters. You can 801 00:36:55.179 --> 00:36:57.260 experience it and laugh with other people. Jesus Christ. 802 00:36:57.889 --> 00:37:00.769 Yeah. Yeah, so I haven't read the book by Tom Perotta, 803 00:37:00.789 --> 00:37:01.969 but I have read a couple of his other books. 804 00:37:01.989 --> 00:37:04.489 There's the short stories collection I like called Nine Inches, 805 00:37:05.630 --> 00:37:09.590 where it's about... I saw that look. It is kind 806 00:37:09.610 --> 00:37:12.670 of referencing what you think it is, where it's about 807 00:37:13.150 --> 00:37:15.969 chaperones in a school dance, and the inches refers to 808 00:37:16.349 --> 00:37:18.570 the amount of space that kids are allowed to have 809 00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:20.880 between each other when they're doing the slow dances. 810 00:37:20.900 --> 00:37:22.119 Gotta make space for the Lord, yeah. 811 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:25.420 Exactly. But there is a part in the story where 812 00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:28.480 someone is looking at the tape measure, and you're like, okay, 813 00:37:28.920 --> 00:37:32.880 either this isn't right, or a lot of guys have 814 00:37:32.900 --> 00:37:34.480 been lying lately. 815 00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:35.079 Very funny. 816 00:37:35.739 --> 00:37:39.409 Yeah. And there's a lot of stories in that, in that, 817 00:37:39.530 --> 00:37:42.760 that having seen election again now recently, like I feel 818 00:37:42.780 --> 00:37:44.309 like the kind of things where it's just like people 819 00:37:44.469 --> 00:37:47.630 like who are like dissatisfied with their lives. And like 820 00:37:48.289 --> 00:37:50.690 the narration is like taking you through like sort of 821 00:37:50.710 --> 00:37:52.289 the thought process of like, well, this is how my 822 00:37:52.349 --> 00:37:55.090 life unraveled. And you're just like, you want to like 823 00:37:55.389 --> 00:37:58.570 bury your face in your hands. Just like, do you idiot? 824 00:37:58.710 --> 00:38:01.789 What are you doing? And like, also, but also like 825 00:38:01.809 --> 00:38:03.170 kind of the thing, like, I think the first story 826 00:38:03.190 --> 00:38:04.989 in that collection is like a kid who's like saying like, 827 00:38:05.489 --> 00:38:07.610 I don't understand why I didn't get into college and 828 00:38:07.630 --> 00:38:09.699 all my other friends did. You know, man, it's like, 829 00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:11.300 what about that? I think there's like a reference. It's 830 00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:13.300 like that movie accepted. The kid gets to go to 831 00:38:13.340 --> 00:38:16.099 college and he didn't even pass or whatever. And, um, 832 00:38:16.579 --> 00:38:17.860 but then like, it's revealed in like the end of 833 00:38:17.900 --> 00:38:19.679 the story that like, he like wrote in his like 834 00:38:19.920 --> 00:38:21.900 application to a safety school. Like he was asked like, 835 00:38:22.059 --> 00:38:22.940 why do you want to go to this school? And 836 00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:25.400 he's like, you're my safety school motherfucker. And he just 837 00:38:25.420 --> 00:38:27.219 like hit send. And he's like, oh, okay. That's why 838 00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:30.289 you didn't do it. You're the master of your own destruction, which, 839 00:38:30.349 --> 00:38:33.079 and I think, Uh, you get, uh, a lot of 840 00:38:33.139 --> 00:38:35.760 that in, uh, this movie where, like, McAllister with, like, 841 00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:37.320 I mean, the voiceover narration, I think, is, like, very 842 00:38:37.340 --> 00:38:39.940 deftly weaved throughout the movie. And I think the delivery 843 00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:41.960 is especially good, especially as you can sort of, like, 844 00:38:42.119 --> 00:38:46.070 sense the rising emotions in the actor's delivery as, like, 845 00:38:46.090 --> 00:38:47.670 they're sort of, like, they're talking about things neutrally. So 846 00:38:47.690 --> 00:38:49.389 I'm like, I don't know, I think everything was totally fine. 847 00:38:49.449 --> 00:38:51.369 And then it's, like, the more they talk, just, like... 848 00:38:52.110 --> 00:38:54.449 I just couldn't help but think, who the fuck does 849 00:38:54.469 --> 00:38:56.929 she think she is? It's very well delivered. 850 00:38:57.030 --> 00:38:58.809 That might be my favorite line. I think of that 851 00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:01.679 all the time. Who the fuck does she think she is? 852 00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:08.059 Yeah. So it is funny when you're saying, you're here 853 00:39:08.099 --> 00:39:11.659 for a

reason. This is your life and you have 854 00:39:11.699 --> 00:39:14.519 to deal with it. But then I think what makes 855 00:39:14.539 --> 00:39:17.179 this movie, this movie is very funny, but also I 856 00:39:17.199 --> 00:39:20.000 think there is a real and pain I feel like 857 00:39:20.469 --> 00:39:24.690 in some of his later movies, gets ripped on for, like, people, like, saying, like, for, like, 858 00:39:25.050 --> 00:39:26.809 maybe dunking on his characters a little bit too much. 859 00:39:26.849 --> 00:39:28.510 I know that was, like, a critique of, like, Nebraska, 860 00:39:28.530 --> 00:39:29.969 where it's, like, is he making fun of, like, you know, 861 00:39:30.059 --> 00:39:32.400 people who live at like rural communities and i think 862 00:39:32.420 --> 00:39:34.139 this movie is definitely dunking on like a lot of 863 00:39:34.219 --> 00:39:37.840 its characters for like their you know their limitations or 864 00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:40.159 like their own uh biases and stuff like that but 865 00:39:40.300 --> 00:39:42.070 it but i think there is like a great deal 866 00:39:42.090 --> 00:39:45.369 of like compassion to for for them like and seeing 867 00:39:45.389 --> 00:39:48.699 like the humanity and like paul metzler is not a 868 00:39:48.739 --> 00:39:51.019 very smart character, but he is very sweet, and I 869 00:39:51.059 --> 00:39:54.050 think very sincere and everything, but I think what, I mean, 870 00:39:54.110 --> 00:39:58.030 and I think the way the movie, um, weaves that, 871 00:39:58.489 --> 00:40:01.449 those tones with that character is, like, so definite, like, 872 00:40:01.469 --> 00:40:03.989 when he's, like, giving this assignment to Tammy, and, like, 873 00:40:04.010 --> 00:40:07.489 he says, like, You know, I didn't want you to 874 00:40:07.530 --> 00:40:09.570 fall behind in your assignments, so I got them all 875 00:40:09.590 --> 00:40:11.650 for you. And just so you know, even though you're adopted, 876 00:40:11.710 --> 00:40:16.010 I love you very much as a sister. It's just, like, 877 00:40:16.230 --> 00:40:20.610 the way he's, like... His stupidity is, like, dropped into everything. 878 00:40:20.690 --> 00:40:24.050 While he's saying something that's very sincere and sweet, it's, like... 879 00:40:24.429 --> 00:40:27.449 It is just really funny how, like, the movie's able to, like, 880 00:40:27.929 --> 00:40:32.250 walk that tightrope so well. And, yeah, it really does, like, get, like... 881 00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:35.780 the teen mindsets very well. I mean, I think Jessica 882 00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:38.130 Campbell was so good in this as, as Tammy, like 883 00:40:38.150 --> 00:40:40.090 the scene where she's like, you know, like, you know, 884 00:40:40.110 --> 00:40:41.530 it says like, Oh, like they say, if you lie 885 00:40:41.550 --> 00:40:44.409 between two power lines, you, you become a gasp. I 886 00:40:44.409 --> 00:40:48.599 wonder what that's like. But then also, like, the line that's, like, 887 00:40:48.639 --> 00:40:50.559 so funny. Like, I mean, she gets, like, the angst 888 00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:52.920 of that so well, but then also, like, this thing of, like, 889 00:40:52.940 --> 00:40:54.599 I don't know why everyone makes such a big deal 890 00:40:54.619 --> 00:40:57.980 about being suspended from school and basically just get a vacation. 891 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:01.869 As somebody who got suspended from school, it's like, how 892 00:41:01.909 --> 00:41:05.110 is this a punishment? They were, like, going for three days, 893 00:41:05.130 --> 00:41:06.469 and when you come back, you have three days to 894 00:41:06.530 --> 00:41:08.289 complete everything you missed, and be like, okay. 895 00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:15.139 Yeah, and all the performances are so good. I mean, like, yeah, like, 896 00:41:15.300 --> 00:41:17.099 even though the movie is, like, cranking up the comedy 897 00:41:17.139 --> 00:41:18.840 of it with, like, you know, some of the goofy 898 00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:21.000 music and, like, you know, the whole scene where Matthew 899 00:41:21.019 --> 00:41:22.840 Broderick is, like, racing around trying to get all the 900 00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:27.639 arrangements together for the motel dalliance. And, like, I mean, yeah, 901 00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:29.880 there's just certain things, not just, like, the dialogue, but 902 00:41:29.900 --> 00:41:32.159 also just certain shots where you just, like, you, like, 903 00:41:32.219 --> 00:41:34.480 it is just a thing of, like, man, I wouldn't even, like... 904 00:41:35.670 --> 00:41:38.280 This is, like, the kind of, like, just depressing detail 905 00:41:38.300 --> 00:41:40.099 that I wouldn't even think to include, where, like, the 906 00:41:40.139 --> 00:41:43.199 shot of him... It's, like, the cheesy shot of him, like, putting, like, 907 00:41:43.219 --> 00:41:45.900 the rose in the Bible in the motel and then 908 00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:47.679 just putting it in the cup. You're like, why did 909 00:41:47.699 --> 00:41:50.860 you do that? But then also, when he's shown in 910 00:41:50.900 --> 00:41:53.500 the doorway of the bathroom and he's, like, has, like, 911 00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:55.690 his pants down and he's, like, washing and stuff down there, 912 00:41:55.710 --> 00:41:58.570 I'm just like, oh my gosh, this dude is so pathetic. 913 00:42:00.329 --> 00:42:06.219 But then, yeah, it's... Yeah, and in Witherspoon, you really 914 00:42:06.260 --> 00:42:10.429 feel for her character, too. I mean, it's... And there's 915 00:42:10.449 --> 00:42:12.630 certain things, too, that I think are... I mean, we'll 916 00:42:12.650 --> 00:42:14.820 talk about it. I mean, yeah, all the performances are just, like, 917 00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:16.420 are so well-modulated. 918 00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:17.179 And, um. 919 00:42:18.190 --> 00:42:21.289 Yeah, and I think that the sort of faux happy 920 00:42:21.389 --> 00:42:23.809 ending works really well, where, like, you know,

Broderick is, like, 921 00:42:23.849 --> 00:42:26.250 narrating about, like, saying, well, that's the great thing about America, 922 00:42:26.289 --> 00:42:28.469 you get to start all over again, or anything. 923 00:42:28.510 --> 00:42:29.849 Yeah, I wrote that down. 924 00:42:29.869 --> 00:42:32.010 But then he's just like, he's gonna keep doing this 925 00:42:32.070 --> 00:42:34.309 shit again and again and again. Like, he's just like, 926 00:42:34.389 --> 00:42:35.570 it's not gonna work out. 927 00:42:35.710 --> 00:42:37.730 He's like, I'm a teacher now. It's like, no, you're not. 928 00:42:40.719 --> 00:42:43.239 Uh yeah no it's a great it's a great movie 929 00:42:43.260 --> 00:42:45.619 uh i'm really glad i revisited it even though some 930 00:42:45.659 --> 00:42:47.860 of it makes me very uncomfortable watching it uh for 931 00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:50.840 for various reasons uh it's i think it's quite good 932 00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:52.739 and uh one of those movies that like even though 933 00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:55.099 i'd like you know the reference uh references i've been 934 00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:57.659 aware of um like it still feels like fresh yeah 935 00:42:58.019 --> 00:43:00.219 no it's it's really good when did you when did 936 00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:01.519 you first see this movie kevin. 937 00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:05.960 Actually it was definitely letterbox time funny thing is i 938 00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:07.860 do remember seeing the poster for this when it came 939 00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:11.079 out at my local blockbuster And I was just like, huh, 940 00:43:12.099 --> 00:43:14.579 I don't know what that is. Uh, it's, it's also 941 00:43:14.679 --> 00:43:19.179 such a strange poster, like incredible poster because it's so catchy, 942 00:43:19.219 --> 00:43:22.000 but like, yeah, it's so fucking strange. Uh, first time 943 00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:25.360 I saw this was August, 2017. I gave it three 944 00:43:25.380 --> 00:43:26.639 stars cause I was stupid. 945 00:43:27.019 --> 00:43:28.019 Okay. Yeah. 946 00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:30.219 And then rewatched in 2019, bumped it up to four 947 00:43:30.260 --> 00:43:33.840 stars and now I rewatched it four stars in a heart. 948 00:43:34.039 --> 00:43:36.380 Who is this man? 949 00:43:36.539 --> 00:43:39.219 Oh my God. Yeah. I, all of my initial thoughts 950 00:43:39.300 --> 00:43:42.639 is just Paul Mexler quotes. So, um, and every day 951 00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:44.280 after school, Lisa and I would go to her house 952 00:43:44.340 --> 00:43:46.429 to fucking have a hot tub. 953 00:43:46.659 --> 00:43:51.769 When he's like praying and thanking God about for, it's like, 954 00:43:51.789 --> 00:43:53.550 he says, forgive me. What I'm told is a very 955 00:43:53.590 --> 00:43:54.230 large penis. 956 00:43:56.289 --> 00:43:58.349 First, Lisa has a fight with my sister and now 957 00:43:58.389 --> 00:43:59.269 she's my girlfriend. 958 00:44:00.469 --> 00:44:02.610 What if I died? 959 00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:10.329 I love the narration line of, what is it, Jim 960 00:44:10.389 --> 00:44:13.110 talking about his friend teacher who gets fired for sleeping 961 00:44:13.130 --> 00:44:15.610 with Tracy. He was a teacher because he never wanted 962 00:44:15.630 --> 00:44:18.730 to leave high school. It's like such a damning line. 963 00:44:19.329 --> 00:44:20.159 Oh my goodness. 964 00:44:20.860 --> 00:44:24.280 And I love the conversation that's come up about ethics 965 00:44:24.320 --> 00:44:26.940 and morals, which he has with David Novotny, where it's 966 00:44:26.980 --> 00:44:29.019 just like, it's like, Dave, I'm saying this as your friend. 967 00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:30.460 What you're doing is really wrong. You got to stop. 968 00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:32.730 It's immoral. He's like, Jim, come on. I don't need 969 00:44:32.750 --> 00:44:34.630 a lecture on ethics. He's like, I'm not talking about ethics. 970 00:44:34.670 --> 00:44:41.059 I'm talking about morals. And Dave goes, what's the difference? Oh, God. 971 00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:43.960 I love when Dave Navani, his wife finds out. And 972 00:44:44.019 --> 00:44:46.119 she's like, she's going to help you with your novel. 973 00:44:46.159 --> 00:44:47.409 Are you fucking kidding me? 974 00:44:49.659 --> 00:44:51.849 But I will I mean yeah the stuff where like 975 00:44:51.869 --> 00:44:53.849 showing what a loser he is like is funny where 976 00:44:53.889 --> 00:44:55.670 it's like you know I'm gonna write my novel and 977 00:44:55.690 --> 00:44:57.570 it's like you're not writing a novel I know but 978 00:44:57.610 --> 00:45:00.190 I want to now and she wants to read it 979 00:45:00.550 --> 00:45:03.130 but then like the scene where it shows and like 980 00:45:03.170 --> 00:45:07.000 I think the movie is pretty graceful and showing not 981 00:45:07.139 --> 00:45:09.199 showing too much of that because it would just be 982 00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:13.739 unutterably depressing but like Witherspoon I think is especially good 983 00:45:13.780 --> 00:45:15.539 in how she plays that scene where she seems flattered 984 00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:17.079 but also like you see like just sort of the 985 00:45:17.119 --> 00:45:20.780 flickers of like she kind of knows what's happening is 986 00:45:20.820 --> 00:45:22.739 like really kind of fucked up and like it's like 987 00:45:23.219 --> 00:45:25.280 so sad i think when she's like giving her voiceover 988 00:45:25.340 --> 00:45:27.760 narration about like you where it's like oh you're still 989 00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:29.679 like it almost sounds like she's kind of found a 990 00:45:29.699 --> 00:45:32.980 way to like narrativize it in a way where she 991 00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:35.719 can process it it's like oh it like doesn't sound 992 00:45:35.739 --> 00:45:38.630 like she's quite processing like how fucked up this thing 993 00:45:38.650 --> 00:45:40.349 was that was done to her uh and then like 994 00:45:40.369 --> 00:45:41.590 the

shot of her like just going down at the 995 00:45:41.610 --> 00:45:43.250 end of the hall like his hand like you don't 996 00:45:43.269 --> 00:45:44.730 even see him like he's just like holding his hand 997 00:45:44.929 --> 00:45:48.250 just like it's so creepy um. 998 00:45:48.869 --> 00:45:50.570 You do get a scene in the book from her 999 00:45:50.710 --> 00:45:53.289 perspective when they first sleep together. And it's more so 1000 00:45:53.349 --> 00:45:58.860 her being like, gross. But she likes the power and 1001 00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:01.460 the idea of it and yada, yada, yada. But I 1002 00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:03.340 think they did say that they filmed that scene for 1003 00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:06.980 the movie but took it out because just length and whatnot. 1004 00:46:07.099 --> 00:46:07.710 You don't need it. 1005 00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:08.360 Yeah. 1006 00:46:08.880 --> 00:46:12.329 I typically dislike narration, but I think it's brilliantly used here. 1007 00:46:13.349 --> 00:46:15.750 What is it? Oh, God. It's the scene where the 1008 00:46:15.789 --> 00:46:18.590 election is about to happen. Tracy goes up to the 1009 00:46:18.769 --> 00:46:21.590 desk to give her name so she can have an 1010 00:46:21.630 --> 00:46:24.750 election ballot. And the woman behind the desk goes, Oh, hi, Tracy. 1011 00:46:24.789 --> 00:46:27.630 And she goes, Tracy, Ian flick, please. And she goes, yeah, 1012 00:46:27.650 --> 00:46:27.889 I know. 1013 00:46:29.829 --> 00:46:32.349 I mean, yeah, this movie is really all like the 1014 00:46:32.489 --> 00:46:34.800 bit parts, even like characters who don't have like lines, 1015 00:46:34.820 --> 00:46:36.880 like the janitor who ends up being like the, the 1016 00:46:36.940 --> 00:46:41.780 one that unfurls, uh, McAllister scheme, Nicholas Agosto is Larry Fouch. 1017 00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:43.760 Even just like the one kid who, who doesn't really 1018 00:46:43.780 --> 00:46:45.960 have that many lines, but just like gives like Tracy 1019 00:46:45.980 --> 00:46:51.260 the thumbs up. It's like, Yeah, it's all so well cast. 1020 00:46:51.780 --> 00:46:55.139 Everyone does make an impression, no matter how big the parts. 1021 00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:58.239 And that speaks to how well considered the movie is. 1022 00:46:59.670 --> 00:47:01.250 I just felt sorry for her. I mean, when I 1023 00:47:01.289 --> 00:47:03.429 think about my new life and all the exciting things 1024 00:47:03.489 --> 00:47:05.130 I'm doing, and then I think about what her life 1025 00:47:05.210 --> 00:47:08.849 must be like, it just makes me sad. I mean, 1026 00:47:08.889 --> 00:47:10.690 who is she really trying to get to anyway? What 1027 00:47:10.730 --> 00:47:12.909 is she doing in that limo? Who the fuck does 1028 00:47:13.010 --> 00:47:16.039 she think she is? It's so good. 1029 00:47:17.670 --> 00:47:19.170 I think one of my friends on Letterboxd made the 1030 00:47:19.190 --> 00:47:21.829 point of, like, the side of Broderick we're

running into 1031 00:47:21.869 --> 00:47:23.650 is also just, like, really good physical comedy. When he 1032 00:47:23.690 --> 00:47:27.010 throws his head in, it's like, hey! And then he just, like, 1033 00:47:27.050 --> 00:47:28.489 scampers off looking back behind him. 1034 00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:36.460 Yeah. It's so funny. It's also obviously very much not obviously. 1035 00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:38.679 That's the point I was trying to make. The book, 1036 00:47:38.739 --> 00:47:41.900 I mean, obviously makes the parallels of 1992 election where 1037 00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:44.480 I believe it's Tammy talking to her mom about, like, 1038 00:47:44.849 --> 00:47:46.510 why is Ross Perot and blah, blah, blah, even though 1039 00:47:46.570 --> 00:47:48.699 she is the Ross Perot in this story? It's not 1040 00:47:49.480 --> 00:47:51.400 very obvious in the movie, and I like that, that 1041 00:47:51.460 --> 00:47:55.860 it's obviously people are stand-ins for real-life people or not 1042 00:47:55.920 --> 00:48:00.199 a class election. But while watching this, I was just like, 1043 00:48:00.510 --> 00:48:02.670 what the fuck does a class president actually do? 1044 00:48:03.170 --> 00:48:07.670 That is a good question. I don't really know. I 1045 00:48:07.710 --> 00:48:10.369 know when I was in school, like elementary school and 1046 00:48:10.389 --> 00:48:13.090 high school, we had student council. I don't really know 1047 00:48:13.110 --> 00:48:16.510 what it is. I guess like it's, I mean, it 1048 00:48:16.570 --> 00:48:18.409 does seem like it would be like planning a lot 1049 00:48:18.429 --> 00:48:20.969 of events or like working with like teachers and everything 1050 00:48:20.989 --> 00:48:24.300 to organize stuff. But I don't really know like how much, 1051 00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:24.619 I mean. 1052 00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:27.119 Is any of this happening if like a teacher or 1053 00:48:27.139 --> 00:48:29.159 a principal doesn't sign off on it though? So it's like, 1054 00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:33.980 are you really doing anything? Like really not. It'd be like, Hey, 1055 00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:36.489 we'd be like, well, no, it's not happening. And they're 1056 00:48:36.530 --> 00:48:38.150 not going to be like, well, I'm the class president. 1057 00:48:38.170 --> 00:48:39.269 It'd be like, can you fuck off? 1058 00:48:39.289 --> 00:48:42.360 Yeah. Yeah, I mean, Tammy, I guess that's, like, the 1059 00:48:42.380 --> 00:48:44.539 point that she makes in her speech of, like, she's saying, like, 1060 00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:46.320 I mean, is any of this gonna matter and everything? 1061 00:48:46.460 --> 00:48:49.730 So don't vote for me! And everyone's like, yeah! Which 1062 00:48:49.750 --> 00:48:50.789 is so funny. 1063 00:48:52.050 --> 00:48:55.150 Which, I would say the best thing about the book, 1064 00:48:55.269 --> 00:48:57.349 Tammy gets a lot more, her and Lisa get a 1065 00:48:57.389 --> 00:49:01.019 lot more story, obviously, but Tracy Flick, you feel so 1066 00:49:01.059 --> 00:49:05.199 much worse for her, because, like, she has done nothing wrong, like, 1067 00:49:05.659 --> 00:49:08.239 obviously in the movie that, like, but in the book 1068 00:49:08.300 --> 00:49:10.969 it's even worse, because She does get elected class president 1069 00:49:11.599 --> 00:49:15.800 and nobody likes her. Like nothing she does goes through 1070 00:49:15.860 --> 00:49:18.630 because nobody likes her. And then she graduates. Like it's 1071 00:49:18.909 --> 00:49:19.369 pretty sad. 1072 00:49:19.829 --> 00:49:21.820 Yeah. she's so I feel like in the movie when 1073 00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:23.579 it shows the montage of her being in student government 1074 00:49:23.619 --> 00:49:25.960 it is like her being successful and happy and like 1075 00:49:26.519 --> 00:49:29.800 getting to have that rule the one wrong thing that 1076 00:49:29.820 --> 00:49:31.429 she does is like when she lies about tearing down 1077 00:49:31.449 --> 00:49:33.489 the posters I mean that's the one moment where you're 1078 00:49:33.510 --> 00:49:37.329 like when Tammy confesses and everything and she like says 1079 00:49:37.369 --> 00:49:39.889 like That's what you get for doing that. I mean, 1080 00:49:40.489 --> 00:49:43.289 I think it's funny for Broderick, too. Again, I agree. Okay, 1081 00:49:43.369 --> 00:49:47.849 calm down, Tracy. But that's the one thing where it's like, well, 1082 00:49:47.989 --> 00:49:51.039 don't blame it on the person when you did it. 1083 00:49:51.269 --> 00:49:53.269 But it's the kind of thing where it's like, okay, 1084 00:49:53.289 --> 00:49:58.619 who cares? But, yeah. Question. This is a thing I 1085 00:49:58.659 --> 00:50:00.320 guess I hadn't really considered when I watched the movie 1086 00:50:00.460 --> 00:50:03.159 last year. Why do you think Tammy owns up to it? 1087 00:50:04.090 --> 00:50:07.090 Why do you think Tammy takes the blame for taking 1088 00:50:07.130 --> 00:50:09.130 out the posters? I mean, I guess it's kind of interesting. 1089 00:50:09.449 --> 00:50:12.210 It makes her more interesting if there isn't an explanation 1090 00:50:12.250 --> 00:50:13.369 for it, or it's not clear. 1091 00:50:13.670 --> 00:50:19.170 I would say the only way that I could kind 1092 00:50:19.250 --> 00:50:21.769 of parse that is that in the book, she's doing 1093 00:50:21.789 --> 00:50:24.489 a lot of things to be seen as rebellious and 1094 00:50:24.510 --> 00:50:27.000 to want people to notice her. I mean, that speech, 1095 00:50:27.659 --> 00:50:30.570 she's very much like a chaos agent. In the book, like, 1096 00:50:30.630 --> 00:50:33.860 all of her posters, they're not, like, actual posters. They 1097 00:50:33.880 --> 00:50:37.440 just say, like, you should vote. And, like, people know 1098 00:50:37.460 --> 00:50:40.619 that that's a Tammy thing. There's, like, a crumpled note 1099 00:50:40.659 --> 00:50:43.079 on the ground. You open it up, and it's about Tammy. Like, 1100

00:50:43.780 --> 00:50:46.670 there's that. She actually wants to go to Catholic school, 1101 00:50:47.349 --> 00:50:49.230 and her parents won't let her go to Catholic school. 1102 00:50:49.250 --> 00:50:51.210 So she buys an outfit for a Catholic school and 1103 00:50:51.269 --> 00:50:53.929 wears it to school. And everybody, like, is just like, 1104 00:50:54.429 --> 00:50:56.449 what the fuck are you doing? And then like a 1105 00:50:56.489 --> 00:50:58.889 principal like suspends her because she won't take it off 1106 00:50:58.949 --> 00:51:02.489 and wear something else. Like she's very much like she's 1107 00:51:02.530 --> 00:51:05.820 going through a lot. She's also like a teenage lesbian. 1108 00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:08.260 You know, it's a lot to go through. I'm not 1109 00:51:08.280 --> 00:51:10.199 a lesbian. It's just all the people that I like 1110 00:51:10.239 --> 00:51:12.179 happen to be girls. Yeah. 1111 00:51:12.460 --> 00:51:16.590 I think it's funny, too, when when her parent, her dad, 1112 00:51:16.650 --> 00:51:20.250 Donnie Darko's dad is telling her. uh that like she's 1113 00:51:20.269 --> 00:51:21.690 gonna go to catholic school and it looks like she's 1114 00:51:21.730 --> 00:51:23.889 about to laugh and then but then like it's and 1115 00:51:23.909 --> 00:51:25.610 then it's revealed at the end of the movie it's 1116 00:51:25.630 --> 00:51:27.510 like oh she's happy because it's an all-girls school she 1117 00:51:27.530 --> 00:51:30.710 gets like and she's and you generally i mean i'm 1118 00:51:30.730 --> 00:51:32.969 speaking for myself i generally hope she's happy at the 1119 00:51:32.989 --> 00:51:34.429 end of the movie like she seems like she's having 1120 00:51:34.449 --> 00:51:37.139 such a good time like it's yeah no but yeah 1121 00:51:37.179 --> 00:51:38.460 no i like that read of how she's just like 1122 00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:40.500 doing it just like this so she can be known 1123 00:51:40.579 --> 00:51:42.860 as a rebel yeah it's just funny too because she 1124 00:51:42.900 --> 00:51:45.159 does that And it saves Tracy's campaign, but then when 1125 00:51:45.179 --> 00:51:47.019 she's praying, she's like, I don't want that C word 1126 00:51:47.059 --> 00:51:50.619 Tracy to win. So it's just funny. She's not doing 1127 00:51:50.659 --> 00:51:52.960 it to help Tracy. She's just doing it for her 1128 00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:53.480 own reasons. 1129 00:51:53.500 --> 00:51:56.380 I also want a really expensive pair of leather pants 1130 00:51:56.420 --> 00:51:58.329 and someday I want to be good friends with Madonna. 1131 00:52:00.510 --> 00:52:04.460 and then paul maxler's uh prayer it goes on for 1132 00:52:04.579 --> 00:52:08.159 so long like it keeps the camera keeps going up 1133 00:52:08.199 --> 00:52:12.619 and they're just like running out of ceiling uh my 1134 00:52:12.780 --> 00:52:16.539 my stupid stupid boy paul maxler any more initial thoughts 1135 00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:18.639 or we want to get into the plot of it 1136 00:52:18.699 --> 00:52:20.000 all uh. 1137 00:52:19.969 --> 00:52:21.809 Let's get into the plot because i think we'll talk 1138 00:52:21.829 --> 00:52:23.070 about like some of the other scenes that we really 1139 00:52:23.090 --> 00:52:23.690 like in the movie. 1140 00:52:23.590 --> 00:52:29.659 Too um I think it happens twice in the movie. 1141 00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:31.679 There's just random guys off screen that just go like, 1142 00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:32.139 eat me. 1143 00:52:33.260 --> 00:52:38.389 That's their entire thing. So, as we said, I think, 1144 00:52:38.409 --> 00:52:41.489 in the earlier plot summary, Jim, played by Matthew Broderick, 1145 00:52:41.530 --> 00:52:45.070 he's a history and civics teacher at Nebraska High School. 1146 00:52:45.349 --> 00:52:47.949 He's in charge of student government, I guess. The school 1147 00:52:47.989 --> 00:52:50.510 is undergoing its current election. The only student running so 1148 00:52:50.530 --> 00:52:53.110 far is Tracy Flick, Reese Witherspoon. And she gets under 1149 00:52:53.130 --> 00:52:57.710 Broderick's nerves. Film briefly flashed back to show that one 1150 00:52:57.750 --> 00:53:02.719 of Jim's colleagues, Dave, played by Mark Herlich, preyed on Witherspoon. 1151 00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:05.440 before he was then fired and divorced by his wife. 1152 00:53:05.699 --> 00:53:10.389 Broderick seems to resent Witherspoon for ruining his friend's life 1153 00:53:10.409 --> 00:53:13.190 while also harboring sexual thoughts about her himself. This is 1154 00:53:13.250 --> 00:53:16.929 revealed in a very uncomfortable scene where he is having 1155 00:53:17.289 --> 00:53:19.010 sex with his wife, who he's trying to get pregnant, 1156 00:53:19.190 --> 00:53:22.719 and his next-door neighbor's face appears over his wife's head, 1157 00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:26.539 and then Tracy's face appears over his wife's head. 1158 00:53:26.780 --> 00:53:28.480 That's what got her the Golden Globe right there. 1159 00:53:29.260 --> 00:53:36.940 Yes. In order to derail... I'll say the characters' names. 1160 00:53:36.980 --> 00:53:38.800 I mean, this gets too confusing. In order to derail 1161 00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:41.469 Tracy's plans of ruling the student government, Jim pushes Paul, 1162 00:53:41.489 --> 00:53:44.190 played by Chris Klein, to run as her opponent. He's 1163 00:53:44.289 --> 00:53:47.889 a sweet but simple athlete. He's currently not able to 1164 00:53:47.909 --> 00:53:50.469 play sports because he got into a skiing accident. Doesn't 1165 00:53:50.489 --> 00:53:53.780 really have a lot going on right now. Shortly thereafter... 1166 00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:56.519 Paul's adopted sister, Tammy, played by Jessica Campbell, who I 1167 00:53:56.539 --> 00:53:58.780 will also say, um, one of the other roles I 1168 00:53:58.800 --> 00:54:01.739 know her from is, uh, she plays, um, a love 1169 00:54:01.760 --> 00:54:05.030 interest for Seth Rogen's character on Freaks

and Geeks. Um, she's, 1170 00:54:05.269 --> 00:54:06.949 she's a tuba girl. 1171 00:54:08.150 --> 00:54:12.269 Um, she's, she died in 2020. 1172 00:54:12.269 --> 00:54:12.610 Yes. 1173 00:54:12.769 --> 00:54:13.909 I do remember that. Yeah. 1174 00:54:13.929 --> 00:54:16.329 Yeah. She's only in four movies. 1175 00:54:16.389 --> 00:54:16.670 Yeah. 1176 00:54:16.929 --> 00:54:19.010 She was born in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Jeez. 1177 00:54:19.969 --> 00:54:22.650 That sucks. I, I, I, She's very good in this. 1178 00:54:23.570 --> 00:54:23.809 Yeah. 1179 00:54:24.230 --> 00:54:27.039 She decides to run for student body president also as 1180 00:54:27.099 --> 00:54:31.179 revenge for Paul dating her former best friend and crush, Lisa, 1181 00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:34.719 played by Frankie and Gratia. Her main running point is 1182 00:54:34.739 --> 00:54:37.219 that when she's campaigning is that she doesn't care about anything, 1183 00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:40.780 which people go wild for. Tracy, she seems to actually 1184 00:54:40.800 --> 00:54:43.030 have clear points of what she wants to accomplish and 1185 00:54:43.090 --> 00:54:45.710 no one really seems to care. And then Paul... when 1186 00:54:45.750 --> 00:54:49.139 he gives his speech, he just, like, rattles off his 1187 00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:53.820 points with, like, seemingly no periods. And he's just, like, 1188 00:54:53.860 --> 00:54:56.380 staring at his paper the whole time, and everyone's just, like, 1189 00:54:56.480 --> 00:55:00.559 dead silent. Yeah, that is, like, I mean, listen, I know, like, Klein, 1190 00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:02.559 I think, like, with his later career, people, like, kind 1191 00:55:02.599 --> 00:55:04.320 of seem to think he had very limited range, but 1192 00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:06.840 I think it takes true skill to, like, read those 1193 00:55:06.900 --> 00:55:09.929 run-on sentences with, like, basically no breaths, or make it, 1194 00:55:09.989 --> 00:55:11.829 make it edited to make it seem like there's no breaths. 1195 00:55:11.869 --> 00:55:14.849 I mean, it's very, I mean, it it's one thing 1196 00:55:14.869 --> 00:55:16.389 to be a bad actor it's another thing to be 1197 00:55:16.610 --> 00:55:18.980 to be playing a bad actor and like his like 1198 00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:21.760 line delivery is just like it's priceless um. 1199 00:55:21.960 --> 00:55:24.780 Every time he like runs into somebody he has the 1200 00:55:24.880 --> 00:55:30.230 same line he's like oh hi tracy he talks as 1201 00:55:30.309 --> 00:55:32.769 if like it's the first person he's ever seen like 1202 00:55:32.929 --> 00:55:36.329 it's so he's so he's the best yeah i love 1203 00:55:36.369 --> 00:55:38.369 it they also i didn't put this in the trivia 1204 00:55:38.389 --> 00:55:42.039 sorry at They filmed this at an actual high school. 1205 00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:45.119 They did not shut anything down. Like, the high school 1206 00:55:45.139 --> 00:55:48.340 was fully functional at the time.

But it was also during, like, 1207 00:55:48.619 --> 00:55:51.659 SATs time. So to get, like, extras for that scene, 1208 00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:55.219 it was hard to get people. So they basically had to, like, 1209 00:55:55.260 --> 00:55:57.820 fill up one side, film all the scenes. And then, like, 1210 00:55:57.909 --> 00:55:59.550 after lunch, they went on to the other side of 1211 00:55:59.570 --> 00:56:02.090 the gym so they could film that, that type of thing. 1212 00:56:02.909 --> 00:56:06.050 He said that, Payne said that you could hear in, like, 1213 00:56:06.070 --> 00:56:08.820 the sound mix, like, teachers in the next room teaching 1214 00:56:09.300 --> 00:56:11.369 and like typically you take that out but he just 1215 00:56:11.409 --> 00:56:14.550 said that it made it feel real that's pretty awesome 1216 00:56:14.570 --> 00:56:16.130 that they were just able to just film in a 1217 00:56:16.170 --> 00:56:17.730 high school and they're like yeah it's fine it was 1218 00:56:17.750 --> 00:56:19.750 like what happens in this so it starts out that 1219 00:56:19.889 --> 00:56:23.530 uh like it's it's not it's not exactly like they 1220 00:56:23.570 --> 00:56:26.030 did like oh we're shooting napoleon dynamite like oh cool 1221 00:56:26.130 --> 00:56:28.570 it's just like it's it's this movie. 1222 00:56:28.329 --> 00:56:31.449 Yeah yeah i mean that's like i'm sure so people 1223 00:56:31.489 --> 00:56:33.309 who write about teen movies that have done this, but 1224 00:56:33.349 --> 00:56:35.030 it is interesting. Like when you read about that, like, 1225 00:56:35.070 --> 00:56:37.210 I mean, I think of like a movie this night 1226 00:56:37.230 --> 00:56:39.849 and day in terms of teen movies, but like elephants, 1227 00:56:39.949 --> 00:56:41.690 the Gus Van Sant movie, I think like that high 1228 00:56:41.710 --> 00:56:43.679 school they shot at was like, it was like an 1229 00:56:43.719 --> 00:56:45.900 abandoned high school, like, or not abandoned, but like, it 1230 00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:47.780 was like shut down and like demolished. I think not 1231 00:56:47.820 --> 00:56:51.099 long after the movie wrap production, which that's an interesting 1232 00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:53.079 sort of counterpoint to like, Jesus Christ. 1233 00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:56.139 That that's also just like, yeah. After they made that movie, 1234 00:56:56.159 --> 00:56:59.239 it's like, let's just, let's just clean our hands of 1235 00:56:59.260 --> 00:57:01.730 this entire school. Have you seen Elephant? Isn't it the 1236 00:57:01.769 --> 00:57:02.510 greatest movie ever? 1237 00:57:03.190 --> 00:57:05.849 It's been a minute since I've seen it. I do 1238 00:57:05.889 --> 00:57:08.769 kind of want to watch it again. Because it's been 1239 00:57:08.869 --> 00:57:12.369 so long. I should probably be in the right headspace 1240 00:57:12.389 --> 00:57:14.550 for it. But yeah, I remember it being quite good. 1241 00:57:14.570 --> 00:57:19.150 It's so fucking phenomenal, dude. Didn't you see it at 1242 00:57:19.210 --> 00:57:20.090 a rep screening recently? 1243 00:57:20.630 --> 00:57:23.170 Yeah, at midnight on film. It kicked fucking ass. 1244 00:57:23.690 --> 00:57:23.909 Wow. 1245 00:57:24.380 --> 00:57:25.530 Yeah, it's unbelievable. 1246 00:57:26.300 --> 00:57:26.880 It's so weird that. 1247 00:57:29.880 --> 00:57:33.840 I saw that in, like, middle school when I, asterisk, asterisk, asterisk, 1248 00:57:34.000 --> 00:57:36.010 got really obsessed with the Columbine High School shooting. 1249 00:57:36.889 --> 00:57:37.150 Sorry. 1250 00:57:37.530 --> 00:57:41.150 But, and watching that, I was like, eh, yeah, I 1251 00:57:41.170 --> 00:57:42.949 don't really care for this. I was also in middle school. 1252 00:57:43.329 --> 00:57:46.610 But then, I think it was, like, three years ago, 1253 00:57:46.769 --> 00:57:50.590 I rewatched it for some reason, and I was like, oh, 1254 00:57:50.610 --> 00:57:53.460 this is, like, top 30 all time? Like, are you 1255 00:57:53.500 --> 00:57:58.059 fucking kidding me? Yeah, I adore that movie. Like, oh, 1256 00:57:58.260 --> 00:57:58.780 it's so good. 1257 00:57:59.190 --> 00:58:01.610 Yeah, anyway, sorry for that tangent, but I'm glad we 1258 00:58:01.710 --> 00:58:02.469 talked about that. 1259 00:58:02.630 --> 00:58:05.130 In a way, Tracy rips up all the campaign posters. 1260 00:58:05.150 --> 00:58:07.449 Yes, one night while she's staying late after school, she 1261 00:58:07.510 --> 00:58:09.409 tries to mend one of her campaign posters when it's 1262 00:58:09.659 --> 00:58:13.119 slipping from the wall. I like that shot of when 1263 00:58:13.159 --> 00:58:17.719 she thinks she's solving, she's nodding like, Good. Stay there. Then, like, 1264 00:58:17.760 --> 00:58:20.900 the camera's, like, trained on the wall, and it slips down. 1265 00:58:20.920 --> 00:58:23.400 It's almost like something out of, like, a cartoon or anything. Like, 1266 00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:25.840 kind of, like, this is my brain, but, like, I'm 1267 00:58:25.860 --> 00:58:29.420 thinking of, like, the episode of Spongebob where Spongebob is, like, 1268 00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:32.070 trapped in the abyss, and he keeps, like, going for, like, 1269 00:58:32.230 --> 00:58:34.909 the candy bar so they can, like, before he can 1270 00:58:34.929 --> 00:58:39.070 catch the bus, the bus keeps going... It's, like, I 1271 00:58:39.090 --> 00:58:41.670 like the wall almost, like, this poster almost seems to have, like, 1272 00:58:41.710 --> 00:58:43.510 a mind of its own. It's, like, I'm gonna wilt again. 1273 00:58:43.530 --> 00:58:47.639 And then she... tries to, like, fix it, ends up 1274 00:58:47.659 --> 00:58:50.500 tearing up the poster. And then the Navajo Joe Ennio 1275 00:58:50.519 --> 00:58:54.079 Morricone theme comes in, like, with all this, like, screaming, 1276 00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:57.400 and she just snaps and starts tearing out all the posters. 1277 00:58:57.860 --> 00:59:00.429

There's a very funny shot where her hands look all 1278 00:59:00.449 --> 00:59:04.010 bloody from, like, all the poster material. Very funny shot. 1279 00:59:04.429 --> 00:59:07.329 And then she's, like, disposing of, like, all the materials 1280 00:59:07.369 --> 00:59:08.769 in a trash bag, and it looks like she's moving 1281 00:59:08.809 --> 00:59:12.219 a dead body. also very funny while she's doing this 1282 00:59:12.280 --> 00:59:15.000 she is witnessed disposing of this evidence by tammy who 1283 00:59:15.119 --> 00:59:17.719 is uh just hanging around the the neighborhood because she's 1284 00:59:17.739 --> 00:59:21.000 been suspended for school she's suspended for like basically the 1285 00:59:21.179 --> 00:59:23.349 anarchy speech she gives at the yeah. 1286 00:59:23.630 --> 00:59:26.050 She gets suspended in the book, like, three times for nothing. 1287 00:59:26.929 --> 00:59:30.429 Yeah. And it's also just, I mean, you said that 1288 00:59:30.449 --> 00:59:32.760 the movie doesn't, like, include all, like, the faculties, like, 1289 00:59:33.059 --> 00:59:36.300 the male faculty having done several thoughts about Tracy's flick, 1290 00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:39.460 but there is, like, an undercurrent of misogyny that, like, 1291 00:59:39.619 --> 00:59:42.420 that is sort of shared, not just with, like, McAllister's character, 1292 00:59:42.440 --> 00:59:44.980 but also, like, the principal says, like, that little bitch, like, 1293 00:59:45.000 --> 00:59:46.619 you know, like, he, like, he, like, calls, like, one 1294 00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:48.119 of his students, and they're like, oh, jeez, like, it's... 1295 00:59:48.860 --> 00:59:51.340 there is like the set. It's interesting how the movie 1296 00:59:51.380 --> 00:59:54.280 gets at this like sort of toxic system where it's like, well, 1297 00:59:54.300 --> 00:59:57.289 we're not all saying these things, but everyone, there is 1298 00:59:57.309 --> 00:59:59.730 like the suggestion that like a, a large proportion of 1299 00:59:59.829 --> 01:00:04.170 the community does sort of like have these upsetting feelings about, um, uh, 1300 01:00:04.190 --> 01:00:06.610 the women in the community, which other thing funny that 1301 01:00:06.650 --> 01:00:08.570 like when Broderick is like showing his life in New York, 1302 01:00:08.610 --> 01:00:10.170 he's like, you know, talking to one of his, um, 1303 01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:12.000 he's like talking about like running into former students and 1304 01:00:12.039 --> 01:00:14.280 he's shown talking to a, a gay couple. He seems 1305 01:00:14.300 --> 01:00:16.130 very friendly in there. I'm thinking like, So he's cool 1306 01:00:16.150 --> 01:00:17.489 with gay people, but hates women? 1307 01:00:17.769 --> 01:00:18.030 Weird. 1308 01:00:19.449 --> 01:00:20.789 But, um, yeah. 1309 01:00:21.130 --> 01:00:24.380 I also think that entire narration is just lying. Like, 1310 01:00:24.420 --> 01:00:26.519 he's just like, sometimes I see kids that I, you know,

1311 01:00:26.599 --> 01:00:27.559 I taught. I was like, no, you don't. 1312 01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:31.260 You know what? You're right. That is probably, like, him 1313 01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:36.159 lying to himself. Yeah. When Jim calls Tracy into accuser 1314 01:00:36.179 --> 01:00:40.010 of the sabotage, and I feel like I'm a broken record, but, like, 1315 01:00:40.030 --> 01:00:41.610 just great scenes. I mean, the way he's treating it 1316 01:00:41.630 --> 01:00:43.969 like a police interrogation, even the way he goes over to, like, 1317 01:00:44.409 --> 01:00:46.369 the water core and he's like saying like what do 1318 01:00:46.389 --> 01:00:49.449 you think it could be where he thinks he has 1319 01:00:49.489 --> 01:00:52.269 the upper hand that just gets like absolutely leveled by 1320 01:00:52.329 --> 01:00:54.309 tracy who's like saying like you can't i wouldn't be 1321 01:00:54.349 --> 01:00:55.969 listening to a guy who can't even get his own 1322 01:00:56.050 --> 01:01:00.460 wife pregnant which is like oh fuck yeah um but 1323 01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:03.119 then tammy comes in in the the final hour and 1324 01:01:03.300 --> 01:01:06.500 confesses robert also very funny whether when she's like saying 1325 01:01:06.519 --> 01:01:07.840 like you know i think it's really important to like 1326 01:01:07.860 --> 01:01:09.739 tell the truth he's like yeah what is it tammy 1327 01:01:10.139 --> 01:01:11.860 uh I. 1328 01:01:11.940 --> 01:01:14.059 Did listen to an interview where, what was it, Payne 1329 01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:15.599 was saying, they were just like, for that scene, I 1330 01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:17.340 need a water cooler because it needs to feel like 1331 01:01:17.389 --> 01:01:19.710 an actual interrogation. And like, that is so genius. 1332 01:01:20.250 --> 01:01:23.789 Yeah, it's great. So as a result of that, Tammy 1333 01:01:24.150 --> 01:01:27.590 is disqualified from the election. Is she expelled or is 1334 01:01:27.650 --> 01:01:29.940 it just that her parents, I think, like decide to 1335 01:01:29.980 --> 01:01:32.739 transfer her to another school? Like, I think it's just 1336 01:01:32.780 --> 01:01:33.780 her parents pull her out. 1337 01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:35.659 Yeah, they just pull her out. 1338 01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:36.480 Yeah. 1339 01:01:36.500 --> 01:01:40.050 Yeah. On top of all this, while this is all 1340 01:01:40.070 --> 01:01:43.559 going on, all this drama at the school, Jim cheats 1341 01:01:43.599 --> 01:01:47.780 on his wife, Diane, with Linda, who is his neighbor 1342 01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:51.460 and also the ex-wife of his predatory former colleague, Dave. 1343 01:01:51.900 --> 01:01:55.000 It all blows up in his face when, after arranging 1344 01:01:55.059 --> 01:01:58.179 a rendezvous at a motel, Linda decides to actually just 1345 01:01:58.219 --> 01:02:00.429 come clean about the affair to Broderick's wife, and then 1346 01:02:00.469 --> 01:02:03.130 she throws him out on his ass. Uh, on top 1347 01:02:03.170 --> 01:02:04.869 of this, he also has to deal with the humiliation 1348 01:02:04.909 --> 01:02:06.949 of walking around with a swollen eye from a bee sting. 1349 01:02:07.650 --> 01:02:10.590 On the day of the election, uh, Tracy votes for herself, uh, 1350 01:02:10.670 --> 01:02:13.920 while Paul votes for, for Tracy, which is very funny 1351 01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:16.820 and sweet. The kids, uh, tally the votes and find 1352 01:02:16.840 --> 01:02:19.340 that Witherspoon has won the election by one vote. It's 1353 01:02:19.380 --> 01:02:20.739 a squeaker, as Leonard Fauci says. 1354 01:02:20.760 --> 01:02:25.320 Um, we're not electing the fucking both. 1355 01:02:26.829 --> 01:02:29.789 When Tracy picks him through the classroom window during the tally, 1356 01:02:30.010 --> 01:02:32.230 she gets a thumbs-up signal from one of the counters, 1357 01:02:32.309 --> 01:02:35.050 and she celebrates by dancing in the hall. It's very sweet, 1358 01:02:35.559 --> 01:02:38.360 the way she's just hopping around like a rabbit, in 1359 01:02:38.400 --> 01:02:42.280 such a moment of genuine joy. While Jim is doing 1360 01:02:42.539 --> 01:02:44.400 his independent count, he sees her dancing in the hall 1361 01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:46.760 and is so enraged, he's sort of just... sort of 1362 01:02:46.780 --> 01:02:48.860 just just like throws out two of the votes so 1363 01:02:48.909 --> 01:02:51.570 that uh paul will win instead uh jim goes to 1364 01:02:51.590 --> 01:02:53.230 school the next day thinking that he'll move on from 1365 01:02:53.269 --> 01:02:55.289 this only to get cold into the principal's office where 1366 01:02:55.309 --> 01:02:57.050 the disposed ballots for wood spring are presented to him 1367 01:02:57.289 --> 01:02:59.530 they were found by a janitor who jim had pissed 1368 01:02:59.570 --> 01:03:00.969 off at the start of the film by making a 1369 01:03:00.989 --> 01:03:03.210 mess in the staff lounge very funny when that flashes 1370 01:03:03.250 --> 01:03:05.980 back and it just like sees him like just like glowering. 1371 01:03:05.619 --> 01:03:08.219 Also that was the real janitor for the high school 1372 01:03:09.039 --> 01:03:12.079 oh really not an actor yeah which is like that 1373 01:03:12.119 --> 01:03:15.920 is like you can't you can't cast a better janitor like. 1374 01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:20.219 So good yeah jim resigns and moves to new york 1375 01:03:20.239 --> 01:03:22.340 where he gets a job at a history museum tracy 1376 01:03:22.380 --> 01:03:24.500 graduates and goes to university where she continues to study 1377 01:03:24.539 --> 01:03:27.139 and work hard uh paul also graduates and rushes to 1378 01:03:27.179 --> 01:03:29.909 fraternity but he's dumped by his girlfriend and he starts 1379 01:03:29.929 --> 01:03:31.949 to ponder his purpose in life including what if he 1380 01:03:31.969 --> 01:03:35.530 had died instead of ready for class president while on 1381 01:03:35.570 --> 01:03:38.090 a

trip to washington sometime in the future oh what 1382 01:03:38.530 --> 01:03:39.809 is something funny. 1383 01:03:40.010 --> 01:03:42.909 No keep going okay every time i think about who 1384 01:03:42.949 --> 01:03:46.670 the fuck she thinks she is it's so fucking good Also, 1385 01:03:46.730 --> 01:03:49.880 he throws a Pepsi at her after she tells him 1386 01:03:49.980 --> 01:03:52.119 that Coca-Cola is the number one brand, but they still 1387 01:03:52.159 --> 01:03:54.920 have to spend the most on advertising. Ever since then, 1388 01:03:54.980 --> 01:03:57.719 he only drinks Pepsi through the entire movie. He's such 1389 01:03:57.760 --> 01:04:01.829 a petty bitch. 1390 01:04:02.510 --> 01:04:04.789 Jim sees Tracy across the street getting into the limo 1391 01:04:04.829 --> 01:04:07.530 with a Nebraska politician. Once again infuriated by the sight 1392 01:04:07.550 --> 01:04:10.670 of Tracy succeeding, he throws a soda at the limo 1393 01:04:10.710 --> 01:04:13.340 and runs away when the driver gets up to confront him. Uh, 1394 01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:15.179 Jim ends the film narrating about how America is a 1395 01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:18.380 place where anyone can start over. Unfortunately, that seems to 1396 01:04:18.440 --> 01:04:21.440 be true. But he's shown to be continuing his old 1397 01:04:21.480 --> 01:04:23.519 ways when he's quizzing school children and refuses to call 1398 01:04:23.559 --> 01:04:25.429 on a student that has their hand raised just like 1399 01:04:25.449 --> 01:04:25.949 Tracy did. 1400 01:04:25.969 --> 01:04:29.889 That's the, that's the, it's the best because if they 1401 01:04:29.929 --> 01:04:32.289 went with the original ending, which works for the book, 1402 01:04:32.989 --> 01:04:35.630 because the book is not as fun. It's still funny, 1403 01:04:36.030 --> 01:04:39.010 but it's not as hourly funny as the movie. So 1404 01:04:39.050 --> 01:04:41.550 it does make sense that it ends on this kind of, we're, 1405 01:04:41.809 --> 01:04:44.670 Tracy's not mad at him. She goes out of her 1406 01:04:44.710 --> 01:04:47.809 way to know that he's a car dealership, that he 1407 01:04:47.829 --> 01:04:50.329 works at a car dealership now, to get a new car. 1408 01:04:50.809 --> 01:04:54.469 Alternate scene that is available on YouTube, she does get 1409 01:04:54.489 --> 01:04:56.280 in the car and confront him. It was just like, 1410 01:04:56.320 --> 01:04:58.239 what were you going to do? If he won the election, 1411 01:04:58.260 --> 01:04:59.699 what the fuck are you going to do? But in 1412 01:04:59.739 --> 01:05:02.539 the book, she never does that. It's very much like, 1413 01:05:03.639 --> 01:05:05.719 we're not even going to really talk about it. I 1414 01:05:05.760 --> 01:05:08.420 think they might apologize, but not really. It seems very 1415 01:05:08.480 --> 01:05:11.309 just like, it feels weird cutting each other out of 1416 01:05:11.369 --> 01:05:13.489 our lives after we've been together for so long type 1417 01:05:13.530 --> 01:05:16.349 of thing. You can't do that in the movie. So 1418 01:05:17.269 --> 01:05:19.909 what happened is they shot that, they screened it, didn't work, 1419 01:05:20.130 --> 01:05:23.429 didn't work, obviously didn't work. Then when they, basically what 1420 01:05:23.449 --> 01:05:25.610 they were like, what would we do? Payne and Taylor 1421 01:05:25.630 --> 01:05:28.650 were just like, well, if this was what we were writing, 1422 01:05:28.869 --> 01:05:30.929 how would we end this? And it's like, that's a 1423 01:05:31.110 --> 01:05:34.539 perfect ending. It's just like, it's so good. 1424 01:05:35.280 --> 01:05:35.619 Yeah. 1425 01:05:35.820 --> 01:05:39.039 I mean, it's, Because you feel like it's just, like, 1426 01:05:39.059 --> 01:05:43.190 the thing of, like, every character basically ends up where 1427 01:05:43.269 --> 01:05:46.429 they belong. Like, it's like, like, Paul seems like he's 1428 01:05:46.469 --> 01:05:50.130 doing fine. Tracy succeeds, despite the odds against her. And 1429 01:05:50.550 --> 01:05:54.849 Jim is at a much lower status, and he thinks 1430 01:05:54.889 --> 01:05:58.900 he's okay, and thinks he's okay, but he's not. And 1431 01:05:59.000 --> 01:06:01.139 I like that he's, like, deluding himself still at the 1432 01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:03.159 end of the movie. It's like, you were still at 1433 01:06:03.179 --> 01:06:06.239 the mercy of, like, your worst impulses and feelings. Like, it's... 1434 01:06:06.980 --> 01:06:09.320 I think it feels so, but I just think it's 1435 01:06:09.340 --> 01:06:11.719 so funny. Like you would think like nine times out 1436 01:06:11.780 --> 01:06:13.659 of 10, when you hear about like, Oh, they changed 1437 01:06:13.699 --> 01:06:16.510 the ending from what it was. Like it's often like, 1438 01:06:16.949 --> 01:06:18.510 I mean, we'll talk about this. I think later in 1439 01:06:18.550 --> 01:06:20.710 our mini series, I was like, I was looking at 1440 01:06:20.789 --> 01:06:22.630 like David Gale interviews. I think he talks about how 1441 01:06:22.670 --> 01:06:26.230 like better luck tomorrow. There was like, they do pressure. 1442 01:06:26.309 --> 01:06:28.699 They did pressure. I think Justin Lin to like give 1443 01:06:28.739 --> 01:06:31.579 the movie a slightly more optimistic ending than what that 1444 01:06:31.599 --> 01:06:33.199 movie actually ends up and everything. It's like, yeah, you 1445 01:06:33.239 --> 01:06:35.989 would think that like, election like the ending that we 1446 01:06:36.030 --> 01:06:37.610 get in the movie would be the thing that would 1447 01:06:37.630 --> 01:06:39.469 be left on the cutting room floor so it's just 1448 01:06:39.550 --> 01:06:41.030 so funny that like they ended that but like i 1449 01:06:41.030 --> 01:06:44.710 don't know it's um yeah i it works perfectly. 1450 01:06:44.389 --> 01:06:46.090 I'm trying to think of another line i can't think 1451 01:06:46.110 --> 01:06:48.530 of anything i'll drop my

head uh god i love 1452 01:06:48.570 --> 01:06:49.670 larry so much though. 1453 01:06:50.650 --> 01:06:52.730 He pulls up next to him and just spits on 1454 01:06:52.789 --> 01:06:59.139 his car oh my goodness yeah it's funny on the 1455 01:06:59.179 --> 01:07:02.659 commentary alexander payne's talking about stuff that he did with 1456 01:07:02.699 --> 01:07:04.550 the movie that nobody really notices. 1457 01:07:04.809 --> 01:07:07.989 And he was like, why did I waste so much time? Uh, 1458 01:07:08.150 --> 01:07:11.170 he said like throughout the movie, McAllister is like surrounded 1459 01:07:11.230 --> 01:07:14.070 by garbage. There's like, Oh, in this scene, there's a 1460 01:07:14.110 --> 01:07:16.489 garbage truck and this is trash to like, you know, 1461 01:07:16.840 --> 01:07:19.860 foreshadow him throwing the ballots away, which is like, why 1462 01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:21.559 don't you just put the ballots in your desk? Nobody's 1463 01:07:21.599 --> 01:07:24.139 going to search there. Or maybe they would, but he 1464 01:07:24.179 --> 01:07:26.760 literally just like throws them in there right there. Basically 1465 01:07:26.780 --> 01:07:29.059 he was trying to start this like motif that like, 1466 01:07:29.590 --> 01:07:36.409 There's about apples and nature, and Jim is associated with circles, 1467 01:07:36.949 --> 01:07:38.829 and he has circles on his pants, and he goes 1468 01:07:38.849 --> 01:07:40.690 around in circles at the start of the movie on 1469 01:07:40.710 --> 01:07:44.030 the track. Tracy is all about straight lines, because she doesn't, 1470 01:07:44.170 --> 01:07:47.360 you know. Funny stuff like that, where he's just like, yeah, 1471 01:07:47.380 --> 01:07:48.510 I don't know why I waste it all the time, 1472 01:07:48.530 --> 01:07:50.840 because nobody really cares about it. And I'm just like, well, yeah. 1473 01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:53.739 Yeah, it's like, okay, yeah, I see where you're coming 1474 01:07:53.760 --> 01:07:58.969 from there. But yeah, it's like, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, 1475 01:07:59.010 --> 01:08:02.510 I mean, when he's making the apples analogy, it's like 1476 01:08:02.530 --> 01:08:04.230 when he's asking about, like, what's your favorite fruit, Paul? 1477 01:08:04.250 --> 01:08:07.090 I don't know. Pears? And it's like, no, no, no. 1478 01:08:07.179 --> 01:08:07.530 Apples. 1479 01:08:08.400 --> 01:08:12.119 I also really like bananas. And then when he tries to, like, 1480 01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:15.579 explain the analogy to Tracy, she just looks, like, completely confused. 1481 01:08:15.900 --> 01:08:16.239 But I don't know. 1482 01:08:16.319 --> 01:08:18.399 I mean, listen, we're talking about the sort of, like, 1483 01:08:18.439 --> 01:08:20.680 the comedic aspects of this movie, but I do think, like, it's, 1484 01:08:22.119 --> 01:08:24.000 even though it is a satire, and I think, like, 1485 01:08:24.020 --> 01:08:26.460 there is, like, a point to be made that is, like, pretty, like, 1486

01:08:26.840 --> 01:08:29.550 about how, like, you know, I mean, the thing about 1487 01:08:29.590 --> 01:08:31.199 America is the place where you start over, and, like, 1488 01:08:31.229 --> 01:08:34.289 how it's just, like, just, like, Macalester somehow, like, still, like, 1489 01:08:35.029 --> 01:08:37.890 gets away with it, or, like, still comes out relatively 1490 01:08:37.970 --> 01:08:40.569 okay in the end, but, like, he's, like, but also, like, he's, like, 1491 01:08:40.689 --> 01:08:42.970 he's still gonna make the same mistakes, and also, like, 1492 01:08:43.029 --> 01:08:44.949 you know, gets let off relatively easy. 1493 01:08:45.270 --> 01:08:48.109 He learned nothing. Yeah, no, it just. 1494 01:08:48.130 --> 01:08:51.180 Like, learns nothing, and, like, thinks that he's entitled to, like, 1495 01:08:51.319 --> 01:08:53.500 you know, like, just constantly patting himself on the back 1496 01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:55.649 for being a good guy, and, like, you know, thinks 1497 01:08:55.659 --> 01:08:58.029 that that, like, entitles him to stuff it's yeah like 1498 01:08:58.050 --> 01:09:00.340 the movie does have like a like it views them 1499 01:09:00.399 --> 01:09:02.260 as people too i mean i think like that's the 1500 01:09:02.270 --> 01:09:04.180 thing that's like i mean again like you know you 1501 01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:05.539 talk about like pain and taylor are the ones who 1502 01:09:05.579 --> 01:09:07.119 are credited with writing this but i feel like that's 1503 01:09:07.140 --> 01:09:08.899 the thing that i i appreciate in some of the 1504 01:09:08.939 --> 01:09:11.779 writing i've gotten i've read from parada where like he 1505 01:09:11.800 --> 01:09:15.149 like in, like, a single, like, paragraph, he's able to, like, 1506 01:09:15.170 --> 01:09:17.689 go from, like, making you, like, sort of, like, feel 1507 01:09:17.710 --> 01:09:20.289 like this character's being ripped on to, like, then, like, having, like, just, like, 1508 01:09:20.329 --> 01:09:22.510 a little, like, sort of, like, you know, like, anecdote 1509 01:09:22.529 --> 01:09:24.430 where it's, like, oh, now I feel, like, so much 1510 01:09:24.470 --> 01:09:27.409 for this character, like, where, like, there's some the story 1511 01:09:27.430 --> 01:09:29.750 I think about from the nine inches short story collection 1512 01:09:29.789 --> 01:09:34.210 where it's a teacher becomes obsessed with a student writing 1513 01:09:34.250 --> 01:09:37.050 a negative review of her on a web, on like 1514 01:09:37.090 --> 01:09:39.489 a rate my teacher website. And then she confronts the student. 1515 01:09:39.750 --> 01:09:41.210 It's like revealed that like, you know, she ended up, 1516 01:09:41.350 --> 01:09:43.369 she said something that was like pretty mean to the student, 1517 01:09:43.590 --> 01:09:45.270 but like her, like, Oh, you don't need like an 1518 01:09:45.329 --> 01:09:47.510 extra candy bar or something like that. And then like, 1519 01:09:47.789 --> 01:09:49.609 she ends up coming to an understanding with the student, 1520 01:09:49.800 --> 01:09:52.220 but there's like a part of the chapter where she's 1521 01:09:52.300 --> 01:09:56.020 like talking about like, you know, like her like struggles 1522 01:09:56.100 --> 01:09:57.640 and everything and like then she like goes to like 1523 01:09:57.659 --> 01:09:59.420 the wedding of like a colleague that she's seen like 1524 01:09:59.439 --> 01:10:01.060 them then like it's like oh and then she ended 1525 01:10:01.079 --> 01:10:03.739 up being comforted by like the mom of like the 1526 01:10:03.779 --> 01:10:05.979 groom or something like that and you're just like oh 1527 01:10:06.090 --> 01:10:08.729 like you know definitely i think he probably doesn't like 1528 01:10:08.770 --> 01:10:11.010 all of his characters and everything that he's written about 1529 01:10:11.050 --> 01:10:13.649 but like there is like a real like humanity to 1530 01:10:13.689 --> 01:10:15.279 them and everything that i think he's like you know 1531 01:10:15.420 --> 01:10:17.619 highlighting and i think like pain and taylor capture like 1532 01:10:17.659 --> 01:10:21.239 that sort of spirit and attention uh to detail while 1533 01:10:21.300 --> 01:10:24.579 also mining a lot a great deal of comedic uh 1534 01:10:24.979 --> 01:10:27.300 comedic material from like their foibles and stuff like that 1535 01:10:27.439 --> 01:10:29.659 um so i don't know it's just it's so interesting 1536 01:10:29.680 --> 01:10:32.520 uh how uh that tone is navigated because i feel 1537 01:10:32.539 --> 01:10:35.189 like some people like they either they don't make the 1538 01:10:35.229 --> 01:10:37.770 human stuff work because like it's too silly or they 1539 01:10:37.869 --> 01:10:39.949 go too heavy on the dramatic material. And then it's like, 1540 01:10:39.970 --> 01:10:42.050 well now I'm just like not finding this funny. And like, 1541 01:10:42.090 --> 01:10:46.189 you're not like, what's your mission here? And I don't know. It's, it's, 1542 01:10:46.250 --> 01:10:47.609 it's harder to pull off. And I think a lot 1543 01:10:47.630 --> 01:10:51.670 of people, uh, might expect. Um, and, uh, yeah, it's 1544 01:10:51.689 --> 01:10:54.770 a really good movie. This is probably my favorite of 1545 01:10:54.850 --> 01:10:58.039 the movies we're going to do for MTV movie MTV films. 1546 01:10:58.100 --> 01:10:59.939 I'm curious to see how this shifts in my rankings, 1547 01:10:59.960 --> 01:11:01.359 but it's my number one right now. 1548 01:11:01.859 --> 01:11:04.520 You ain't seen dance flick. Don't act like you've seen 1549 01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:05.189 Dance Flick. 1550 01:11:06.020 --> 01:11:06.439 Of course. 1551 01:11:06.729 --> 01:11:07.229 Of course. 1552 01:11:08.109 --> 01:11:10.270 Yeah, I don't know. I really don't know. I mean, 1553 01:11:11.989 --> 01:11:16.409 will it probably be the first Jackass movie? Who knows? 1554 01:11:17.430 --> 01:11:21.189 You know what it's probably not

going to be? Freedom Riders. 1555 01:11:21.670 --> 01:11:26.180 I remember that movie being fine. It's... There's a scene, 1556 01:11:26.189 --> 01:11:27.920 I think, where all the students dance to This Is 1557 01:11:27.960 --> 01:11:30.760 How We Do It, which is just a thing that I... 1558 01:11:30.600 --> 01:11:32.560 You know, you think about the things that I remember 1559 01:11:32.840 --> 01:11:34.779 from my youth and the things I don't remember, and 1560 01:11:35.020 --> 01:11:37.470 it's like, why do I remember that? And not, you know, like, 1561 01:11:37.600 --> 01:11:39.010 important stuff. But, okay. 1562 01:11:40.930 --> 01:11:43.369 I don't have to do any research for Freedom Riders. 1563 01:11:43.390 --> 01:11:46.050 This guy's fucking. 1564 01:11:46.470 --> 01:11:48.189 I mean, isn't he, like, an esteemed screenwriter? 1565 01:11:48.210 --> 01:11:51.899 He's a good screenwriter, yes, but directing-wise, yeah, I don't 1566 01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:53.920 think I'm watching P.S. I Love You Again, which is, like, 1567 01:11:54.750 --> 01:11:55.770 oh yeah. 1568 01:11:55.510 --> 01:11:57.909 Right that's him but swank again is that like the 1569 01:11:57.949 --> 01:11:59.340 same year geez. 1570 01:11:59.819 --> 01:12:02.239 Oh yeah p.s i love you like top two worst 1571 01:12:02.279 --> 01:12:06.199 rom-com ever just dreadful picture he did write the fisher 1572 01:12:06.239 --> 01:12:10.439 king in bridges of madison county in unstrung heroes the 1573 01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:11.619 diane keaton joint. 1574 01:12:12.270 --> 01:12:15.159 I actually do want to see that yeah yeah it's weird. 1575 01:12:15.239 --> 01:12:17.819 I kind of have been very sad myself for revisiting this. 1576 01:12:17.850 --> 01:12:20.590 Cause I think some of the, I was maybe exaggerating 1577 01:12:20.930 --> 01:12:23.489 in my mind, the more, the most uncomfortable parts of 1578 01:12:23.529 --> 01:12:26.630 this movie, but it's also like a really brisk watch. 1579 01:12:26.670 --> 01:12:28.710 The movie is like an hour 40. It like moves 1580 01:12:28.770 --> 01:12:32.010 like through all its plot points, like with like real 1581 01:12:32.350 --> 01:12:35.489 like swiftness. Like I, I found this like, just like 1582 01:12:35.529 --> 01:12:37.899 went by like a shot, um, while also being like 1583 01:12:37.909 --> 01:12:40.560 really funny. Uh, the moments that were uncomfortable were like 1584 01:12:40.600 --> 01:12:44.659 a thing of like, but um but yeah no it's 1585 01:12:44.859 --> 01:12:48.720 uh it's really it goes down super so super easily 1586 01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:51.859 uh still um on the rewatch even though i remembered 1587 01:12:51.890 --> 01:12:54.369 most like the plot beats yeah no really good movie 1588 01:12:54.909 --> 01:12:56.369 what about you what are your final thoughts i. 1589 01:12:57.250 --> 01:12:59.430 Wonder how varsity blues is gonna sit for me. 1590 01:12:59.449 --> 01:13:02.390 Oh in terms of like the rankings yeah not seen 1591 01:13:02.449 --> 01:13:04.390 it i think i maybe tried watching 30 minutes of 1592 01:13:04.409 --> 01:13:06.439 it and i tapped out on it uh which you 1593 01:13:06.479 --> 01:13:08.920 know what good thing it's gonna be a fresher experience 1594 01:13:08.939 --> 01:13:11.600 for me watching it for mtv films It's. 1595 01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:13.699 Just the entire episode. You're just going to keep being like, 1596 01:13:13.720 --> 01:13:15.770 can you please say what you thought about the movie? 1597 01:13:15.789 --> 01:13:17.489 And I'm just going to keep going. I don't want 1598 01:13:17.609 --> 01:13:18.350 your life. 1599 01:13:49.869 --> 01:13:52.770 Hey, this is Jason Kleberg from The Force 5 Podcast, 1600 01:13:52.829 --> 01:13:54.569 a show that forces a guest to come up with 1601 01:13:54.590 --> 01:13:57.550 a movie-themed top five list topic, and then we reveal 1602 01:13:57.670 --> 01:14:01.430 our picks on air. Top five heist films, top five tearjerkers, 1603 01:14:01.510 --> 01:14:05.069 top five movie dogs. Every show you'll be asking yourself, 1604 01:14:05.310 --> 01:14:11.119 what would be on my list? Guests include directors, screenwriters, actors, podcasters, musicians, authors, 1605 01:14:11.399 --> 01:14:14.840 and even a professional wrestler. Subscribe to The Force 5 Podcast, 1606 01:14:14.939 --> 01:14:16.579 and you won't just be a listener, you'll be a 1607 01:14:16.659 --> 01:14:20.560 list nerd. The Force 5 Podcast, available wherever you're listening now. 1608 01:14:26.500 --> 01:14:27.420 Thank you for listening. 1609 01:14:28.060 --> 01:14:31.640 To hear more shows from the Someone's Favorite Productions Podcast Network, 1610 01:14:32.119 --> 01:14:33.779 please select the link in the description.