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in the mental health space who are going to give us an opportunity to connect further with them and also provide some really great insight on what they see at various levels that they're all working in. So really excited to have this group of folks that are going to have a chance to connect with us. We're going to start with Jaden Lewis. She is a licensed clinical social worker at the University of Missouri and she has a great opportunity to impact athletes there at the university. So we're really excited to have her here. To start with Jaden, can you talk a little bit about, a little about for our audience here, an idea about your background and your work that you've been involved with there at the University of Missouri? 5 00:04:04.000 --> 00:04:50.000 Yes. I'm so grateful to be here. Like he said, my name is Jaden Lewis. I'm a clinical sports social worker here at the University of Missouri. Here about three years. I am a retired Division 1 athlete. I competed at Arkansas State University where I got both my bachelor's and master's degree in social work. Started my career around Jonesboro and intensive community outreach kind of high acuity cases, crisis intervention care that was well integrated into coming here and specializing in behavioral therapy as well as crisis intervention care for our students. And I'm currently in pursuit of my certified mental performance consulting license to just kind of make that holistic change or connection more so with mental health and performance. 6 00:04:50.000 --> 00:05:33.000 No, that's wonderful. And again, thank you for just taking the time to do this. You know, you look at, you know, now within the industry itself, you know, mental performance is a growing field, you know, throughout the industry. And you look at just the increased pressures for athletes to perform at all levels, you know, whether professional, college and within the youth sports space. You know, can you discuss a little bit, kind of what the current state of this entire process now, how the importance of now mental health is really something that's a really more focal opportunity and kind of what this kind of looks like as far as individuals really trying to prioritize, you know, the mental health and also just mental performance throughout our industry? 7 00:05:33.000 --> 00:06:45.000 Yeah, absolutely. I think right now we are asking a lot from still students. You know, we're still the, the population that we're dealing with hasn't changed. We're still dealing with high school kids, college kids that are now becoming young adults. But we're asking more of them with the amount of pressures that are at Hand, even when I was a student athlete, which wasn't that long ago, but it, it was some time ago, there wasn't the nil. There wasn't as big of an opportunity to be able to transfer and have to adjust and change. So I think even more so now being able to differentiate between what is a mental skill and being able to sharpen that. And then also how can I prioritize my mental health and well being because though they, they intersect, they are different. So just as important as our physical skills are, if we're able to sharpen our mental skills, we may be able to more easily access those physical skills and have some more efficient decision making and what have you on the skill side. You know, our mental health issues, maybe we're coming into college and we're dealing with adjustment to a new environment or a divorce with a parent. That's completely separate than what you're dealing with on the field, even though it might also impact what's going on on the field or the court. 8 00:06:45.000 --> 00:07:20.000 So, no, no, you know, another area that we, you know, I think we sometimes even sort of lose sight of is our coaches, you know, and, and you know, them individually, you know, and that's where our coaches are under more scrutiny and pressure more than ever now at this stage, you know, and many of our ABCA members are deep into the coaching space, you know, having a chance to work with athletes all throughout. You know, what advice do you have for coaches that can help them as far as really facilitating them to prioritize their own mental health? You know, we really feel like that's something that has to be really looked at. 9 00:07:20.000 --> 00:08:19.000 Absolutely. You know, just even in the concept of leadership, obviously what you do and how you do it trickles down to who you're leading. And I tell the coaches here, just as I tell my students that rest is not a luxury, it's a necessity. So if it's, oh, I don't have time for it, then that will come with a cost. So whatever that rest looks like, I know that there's always going to be a get ahead mindset. How can I get ahead of the, of the next team, of the next program, of the next season. But if we're not intentionally cultivating an opportunity for you to rest, that presents an opportunity for burnout and stress and whoever you're leading will see that. So if we can change that kind of mindset, that rest is something that, you know, once I make it to this point, I get to do instead of something. This is what I have to do to get to X and Y and Z. I think we'll see a lot healthier of an environment with athletics on all levels. 10 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:20.000 Okay. 11 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:43.000 Yeah. And obviously, that's a. It's just huge that we make sure that we prioritize ourselves and make sure we're. Make sure we bring our best selves to any process, you know, for sure. When you look at the mental performance space, you know, can you just discuss some of the, like, misconceptions that may be out there that are often, maybe even correlated with mental performance? 12 00:08:43.000 --> 00:09:27.000 Yeah, yeah. I think the biggest thing that I hear is mental toughness behind the lens of removing the emotional process with sports. And I tell my students that that's not. I'm not looking to completely eradicate your

anxiety or your anger or your disappointment. If you're putting this much into your sport, you should be disappointed if we're not meeting those goals. But how we regulate is separate from that. It's not about removing that. It's about increasing consistency and execution. Execution and optimizing performance. So I think just kind of not necessarily eradicating the emotional process, but just emphasizing what toughness truly means and. Yeah. Recognizing how that fits in. 13 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:28.000 No, no. 14 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:52.000 You know, your experiences, you've been involved now in this college space, and, you know, obviously it's a unique opportunity to impact student athletes, you know, day in and day out. You know, can you discuss how, like, mental performance can be really incorporated successfully into the culture of assisting athletes, you know, each and every day and what that kind of. What that process really entails? 15 00:09:52.000 --> 00:11:26.000 Yeah. So every institution has a different way of how they've integrated mental performance. We here at the University of Missouri, we have multiple contracted certified mental performance consultants. That way, we're giving our coaches an opportunity to have some flexibility with how they integrate that into their programs, with the different skills that may be impacting one student or maybe the whole team, because they can do different group work as well as individual work that also helps us in the mental health space stay and be able to, I guess, better have individualized care for our students. We're confidential. We're out of the way. Students have to come to us. Whereas mental performance is kind of going out. The students see their coaches talking to these mental performance consultants, and the question comes like, oh, are they telling my business? We don't want that to be confused in the process. We want them to be able. Like I mentioned before, if we're going through something, working through a divorce, working through a breakup, working through class stuff, maybe adhd, ocd, what, what have you that is mental health. We want the skills to be able to be talked about. If you have the yips, your coach is going to know that. So maybe he needs to be up on, hey, how is this going on the mental side so that we can more easily access the physical skill side. So here having that difference, even though again they, they intersect, truly helps the buy in overall with hey, these are my sports skills and these are my mental holistic wellness skills that I need to work on. 16 00:11:26.000 --> 00:12:15.000 Wonderful, wonderful. You know, you know, just most recently throughout this most recent college basketball season, Lauren Betts, who of UCLA was taken fourth overall by the Washington Mystics in the most recent WNBA draft. She was very outspoken about her own mental health and her journey that she went on or some of her personal struggles. Can you speak a little bit about like

the current culture of college sports and how it's made it extremely important for college students to really have an idea of a grasp of their own self identity and you know, and with that personal courage, they need to make sure, hey, to not be afraid to show that and be vulnerable at different times. Can you talk a bit about that space and kind of what, what you see there in the environments you're involved with? 17 00:12:15.000 --> 00:13:34.000 Yeah, absolutely. I think more now than ever we're at an all time high for the opportunity for a student to assume scrutiny and pressure, whether that's good stress or poor stress. And with that and our students having to be their own brand and represent themselves and not just a team that presents an opportunity for their voices to be heard. And I am so proud with how we're moving within college athletics to have students like Lauren Bets that aren't afraid to speak on how vulnerability is strength. We're changing that language, we're changing that dynamic. I think it's counterintuitive to deny weakness in its existence because then we're not being honest about what we need to work on or work towards if we're not acknowledging where our limitations may lie. And I think especially in the world of athletics, we think that speaking on maybe negative circumstances makes you a negative person when being honest about circumstances and where we need to come from is, is probably the mo. The strongest thing that we can do in that time because that would then give us an opportunity to get the help that we need and is necessary. So I think that the pressures are increasing, but the stigma is decreasing in a way of having people like her talk and having a stage to be able to speak on things like this. 18 00:13:34.000 --> 00:14:02.000 I appreciate you just making such an effort to talk about this very important topic as we move forward and try to help individuals as they try to take the next steps, you know, in their careers and obviously at all different levels, what we deal with within baseball here at the abca. Any, any final words you would like to share, Any. Any other nuggets or anything you would just like to talk about for the work that you do and how this has been such impactful work for yourself? 19 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:40.000 Yes, I would just say continue the conversations. You know, we may. We may not know the level of impact that we're going to have. I'm sure Lauren Betz didn't know that we would be talking about this on this call, but she would be grateful to know that. So if you have an opportunity to speak life or to take a moment and check on someone and be intentional and emphasize. Re. Emphasize. Furthermore, as we're moving more towards a business younger and younger, there's more business expectations for students, for children, for kids. If we can humanize that for them, we're helping. We're taking a step in the right direction because that's all we can do. 20 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:56.000

Well, Jen, thank you so much for taking time to do this. Truly appreciate you doing this. You know, really looking forward to seeing how this final product will be. But yeah, you had some great, great nuggets there. I think you're going to be very helpful with everybody. So thank you for doing this. Truly appreciate you. 21 00:14:56.000 --> 00:15:02.000 Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate the opportunity. 22 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:19.000 Travis Snyder, we're glad to have you here with us. Travis, you are the CEO of 3A athletics. Can you talk a little bit about with our audience here? Give them an idea about your background and kind of the space you're involved with your company? 23 00:15:19.000 --> 00:16:39.000 Yeah. So after 16 years of playing professionally and a very successful youth baseball and football career, I went through a pretty intense identity crisis of who I was outside of being the athlete. Realized a lot of that identity formation took place in my younger years, my younger developmental years, and as I was going through my own therapeutic journey of unpacking a lot of these things that I experienced in my career, both amateur and as a professional. The fire inside of me, the impact that I wanted to make on my community, goes far beyond how to hit a baseball and how to throw it. It's focused on helping support parents and coaches and leadership as well as kids through education, on how our brains and bodies develop as we're going through youth sp and how the adults set the environment right for kids to develop a healthy relationship with success. And failure. So we really focus on parent education, coach education, and working with leadership teams to help identify where core values within an organization are really showing up, or where they're maybe not, and how the communication and expectations are really key. Right. To having a healthy, functioning organization and culture. So our goal is to impact as many lives as possible in the parent, child, as well as a coach, child and leadership space within new sports. 24 00:16:39.000 --> 00:17:09.000 You know, mental performance has been. It's a growing area throughout our entire industry. You look around and you see it at different levels. It looks like just the pressures are increased at no matter what level you're playing at, whether professional college youth. Can you talk a little about what that current state of sports in our industry looks like now and how the priorities of mental health and just mental health performance can be absolutely necessary now at this stage? 25 00:17:09.000 --> 00:19:04.000 Yeah, I mean, I've been coaching in the little league space and witnessing this in flag football and tackle football and basketball. As a parent and as a coach, I've had these experiences where we're looking at kids who are 12 and under and we're expecting them to act like they are teenagers or adults. And a lot of this has gotten very professionalized in terms of

the structure, structure and organization, the amount of time, money and energy that's being committed, which is counterproductive in a lot of ways to what children actually need in these different developmental phases. So one of the big things we focus on in the education process is where your kids at, developmentally speaking, and how we build that healthy foundation of who they are versus what they do. And I think as I've watched, kids at the lower levels of the youth sports space either have their entire identity tied to their good games or their bad games, or, you know, maybe they don't have the opportunity to get out there on the field and get the extra practice and they think they're never going to be good at something. And we start to see kind of the mindsets that a lot of time and energy is spent once they get older, trying to unpack why they're not confident or why they freeze up in a big moment. And a lot of these things stem back to these early childhood experiences. Right. These core memories. And I think that's one of the areas where there's a lot of good people in the space, especially at the highest level. This has become a major priority for organizations, colleges, high schools even. But really taking this down to the grassroots level and helping give parents and give coaches and give leaders with organizations a different perspective on how we support the growth of our kids and when it's developmentally appropriate for us to come in and start to implement some of these things that are going to allow them to excel in terms of their skill development, knowing that a healthy foundation of who they are has already been built outside of just their performance on the field. 26 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:20.000 No, that's, that's wonderful. I, I gotta ask you, like there, it seems like there has to be some real misperceptions, you know, misconceptions people have related to the mental performance space. You, can you talk about some of those that you maybe have seen or witnessed in some of your involvement? 27 00:19:20.000 --> 00:21:49.000 Yeah, I think speaking in my own experience, right. I, I was kind of labeled early as one of the best players in the state, 9, 10 years old, and maintained that label all the way through high school, school, was a first round draft pick and made my major league debut at 20 years old. So the expectations I don't think could have been higher in terms of what my potential was. What I see is a lot of parents and a lot of coaches who are putting these labels on kids at 8, 9, 10 and 11 without recognizing a couple things. One, they're not even through their formative identity formation phases, they're not through puberty. Right. A lot of kids haven't even hit their growth spurts and where they're going to end up by senior year in high school or maybe two years in a college. And we're putting these labels and we're forcing kids into boxes and putting parents in a position where there's a fear of missing out or

the fear of falling behind if they're not early specialization within a specific sport, if we're not pushing our kids into the private training at 8, 9, 10. Again, we can all agree reps are what is going to make all of us better at any skill we want to develop. But how we get those reps, how we frame the experience of work versus play, how we make gamify this for kids to make it fun, to make them actually have the internal motivation to want to do it. And then ultimately as they get older, teaching that discipline, because we all know motivation is only a temporary thing. Discipline is ultimately what's going to lead to that long term success. But then asking ourselves that question, do our kids really want this or do we want this for our kids? I think that's one of the big separations that we're trying to make is how do we give kids the space but still have the boundaries that teach them the life lessons that we want sports to Teach them. And oftentimes those teaching moments are ruined by kids or by parents or by coaches emotions that they get in the way of the teaching moments. And I can say, you know, as a dad and as a coach, I still struggle with these things and it's really, really hard. And I think that's where we feel, you know, parents are the most underserved people within this market of youth sports and they're the most important people. They're the ones that drive the entire industry. But very few organizations are actually investing into parent education knowing, you know, the parents have that biggest impact on a child's development. So how can we bridge that gap between the culture of a program? What are the coaches telling the kids and what are the parents telling the kids before the games and after the games that are really, you know, creating the inner voice and that sense of self and what brings them love and what brings them safety. 28 00:21:49.000 --> 00:22:27.000 You know, your, your background, your playing background, especially, you know, being a first round draft pick out of high school by the Blue Jays and just reaching the big leagues at such a tender age of 20 years old and then really having that sort of can't miss prospect label on you and being very advanced as a left handed hitter and not going on to play eight season, eight season in the big leagues and us having a chance to be together in Pittsburgh during your, during your career as well. Can you talk about how these unique experiences and this journey has really put you in such a. Prepared you for the work you're doing right now and leading three athletics. 29 00:22:27.000 --> 00:26:08.000 Yeah, I mean I, I try and use my story, right of what I experience and use sports and at the highest level to hold back some of the misconceptions that we have about what it takes to be great at something and then maintain that greatness. And I think that is something we see all the time, right. At the highest level when we watch professional sports, sports, baseball especially is a game of failure. So we, we watch the best players in the world who, you know, struggle to get a hit more than two or three times every 10 at bats. And somehow, some way, right, they, they cultivate that mindset of being able to do that in day in and day out over 162 games. I think ultimately what I experienced was being so good and not experiencing like real, real failure. I, I did have a panic attack on the mound when I was 11 years old in the Little League Western Regionals, which was kind of that level up. First time playing in front of thousands of people and being on the big Stage and, you know, that's my body, that's my nervous system saying, hey, I'm not safe and I can't do this right. So I shut down. I was able to kind of suppress that and just push through that. Through the next 10 years of my career, getting drafted and being in the big leagues, it was me and Clayton Kershaw. And I always joke with parents or coaches when I talk to them. Clayton just retired last year. He's a first ballot hawk of Famer. I spent the last six years of my career trying to get back to the major leagues and then retired, you know, four or five years ago. So it's like two completely different career trajectories. Even though he and I were the two youngest players at 20 years old, and when I got sent down at 21, I wasn't ready for that. I had not had people in my life that really ever told me, excuse me, I was ever not good enough to be on a team. And that shattered a deeper part of me, right? That it should have been like, hey, you're 21. Go down to AAA, work on your swing, come back up here and just compete. We know you got it in you. I took that personally. Right. And what I realized that there's more things in my life, my personal life, my experience with my family, some of the trauma that I experienced. I was diagnosed with complex PTSD after I was done playing. And that was one of those realizations for me is, you know, we all have different stories, we all have different experiences, we all have different backgrounds, backgrounds that we come from, and, and we get put into a clubhouse or a locker room with, you know, 25 to 30 other guys, and we just go out there and we compete at the highest level, but at the end of the day, we're all carrying something. And I think the more that we can start to mitigate some of those things that, that build into the core memory or the. The deeper belief about self. You know, for me, it was dealing with abandonment issues early in my life that were showing up right. The first time the organization sends me down to aaa and it's like, this is way bigger deal in my head and my heart than it really should be. And I think that was something. Throughout my career, I really struggled to kind of get out of those cycles of the longer extended slumps and just dealing with negative thoughts, and had a lot of great people, great coaches, mental skills people, sports psychologists around me to help me as much as they

could. But there's deeper work that I needed to do. And I think for me to be in the position, I am now leading this company and what we're trying to accomplish in the youth sports space, had I had that success, the expectations and the projections that everybody kind of around me and even internally I had for myself, I never would have had to face that music. I never would have had to do that deeper work. And so, again, I think this is a part of a much bigger plan. It really is what it gives me the passion, the fuel to wake up every day and see the goal is to impact a million lives. How many kids trajectories within new sports can we change? Because we help the parents and the coaches come along alongside them and support them in a more developmentally appropriate way instead of just, well, this is the way I was coached or this is the way I was parent, and I'm going to repeat this cycle with my kids. 30 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:48.000 You know, looking at this current travel ball culture that we have now in our present state, you know, that lends the parents, you know, making extensive sacrifices, whether it's money, time, obviously just placing very high expectations on a child to perform at a high level at such a young age. You know, it's, you know, in some cases, you feel like the parents are trying to live their dreams through their kids. Can you talk a little about this culture and what you've seen and how this can be overcome to really make sure we can create realistic, realistic expectations and positive outcomes down, down, down the road with these kids? 31 00:26:48.000 --> 00:29:47.000 Yeah, I think to, to get the positive outcomes that we're looking for for kids experiencing new sports. It's. It comes back to us. We're the adults, right. And we can teach kids mental skills. And I think there's great opportunities, right. As kids get older and they go through this process. But we also got to recognize kids are already overwhelmed. Right. Parents are overwhelmed, coaches are overwhelmed, organizations are overwhelmed. There's just so much going on. Again, I always go back to child development 8 to 12. What do kids 8 to 12 really need? Do they need to play in 15 tournaments? Probably not, right? Do people do this with what I believe there are the best intentions for their kids development. Probably so. Right. I think 99% of us are out there trying to do what we feel like is right by our kids. But the way that the culture and the way the system has really progressed over the last 15, 20 years is we've taken a very fragile, for lack of a better term, a fragile developmental phase where within the right constraints, we can really teach about grit and how to work Hard and how to push through and how to compete. But we're constantly putting them out there on this platform where they have to go and earn a $15 ring, right. And at the end of the week, are their parents posting a picture of them on social media because they won the tournament or because they won the mvp? And then what happens when little Timmy or Lil Susie doesn't have a good weekend and they're not on social media? Right. So it's like being a parent's hard. Being a parent in youth sports is extremely hard. And I think that's really where this, this passion lies for me. I am far from a perfect parent and a perfect coach, but I recognize that if we can collectively start to have these conversations, you know, here locally, I have great relationships with, with, you know, a dozen of these select travel baseball organizations that I really do think have good people from the top down. I do think, you know, systemically there's issues that we need to address. I think that's one of the things I love about being a part of the ABCA Youth Summit and youth committees is like, how are we starting to pull back the layers on, you know, what we as a company try and focus on are the root causes. And I think there are things like arm injuries and overuse injuries and things that are a product of deeper issues within this space. So I don't stand here and claim that I have all the answers, but I am excited to be a part of those conversations and build the alliances with, whether it's select baseball, softball, whatever, sport organizations, and then organizations like the ABCA and mob. And it's like, how can we get the right people sitting at the table to start to pull back the layers on what are the root causes here? And then how do we operate in this space while we put the children's best interest in mind, which I recognize there are businesses and there are. I run a for profit business. So I'm not staying up here saying there's not an opportunity in this space for us to build things that generate revenue. But at the end of the day, our goal is impact and to change as many lives and then come alongside organizations and partner with organizations who feel like we can do better for the kids and are committed to kind of the long term growth step by step. 32 00:29:47.000 --> 00:30:04.000 Any, any, any final words that you would like to bring that just either talking further about your company, about the work you're doing, or just what you're seeing currently out there in this space and how you feel like you, you and your company can, can come in and help and, and hopefully maybe create some change. 33 00:30:04.000 --> 00:33:19.000 Yeah, I mean, we, we partner with local little leagues, we have select travel baseball organizations. I think I mentioned, you know, we want this to be across all sports. I think this applies in just about every sport that our kids are going through. I think as parents, right. Coming together and talking about child development. A lot of us have kids and have no background, no experience, no understanding of how our kids develop. We're just, we're doing the best we can with what we got. Right. And I don't ever want this to feel like I'm on some kind of pedestal or we're trying to put parents under the microscope

and make people feel guilty at the end of the day. I think the more that this conversation around mental health, around emotional development, intelligence regulation, these things that are kind of secondary to skill development. Right. Which we hear this all the time at the highest level, whether it's a great coach or a great player. Talk about the process and talk about the work and talk about the things. And it's like, how do we build kids up to that place where they take complete and full ownership over what they want to be and how they want to get there? And then we as the parents and the coaches are there to help support them and guide them. But ultimately this has got to come from within. And I think that is one of the biggest misconceptions I see is that you're going to manufacture this in your kid. And you may be able to manufacture this in your kid, but I'm willing to bet a lot of money that the damage that's going to be done long term between you and your child, you may think it's worth it in your mind, but I try and encourage parents to think about the long term. Think about when your kids start having kids and the way that they're going to parent their kids through youth sports and the coaching as well. And I think that's one of the most powerful things is growing up in the 90s and early 2000s. There are things coaches and parents did back then that we just can't accept. Right. Anymore. But I also think that the idea that we can't have tough love is one of those things I don't ever want to shy away from. But I think if we overlook, number one, what is the role of a parent versus what is a coach? And then if you are a coach, how do you. How do you build trust and connection with players to where you can coach them hard, right. So you can push them beyond what they think they're capable of doing and when is it appropriate to do that, Right. From a developmental standpoint? And then how do we build that trust and connection which the best coaches we've ever played for, the ones that we know, we could call at 2 in the morning if there was a real emergency and they're going to be there for you. And that's the type of person, right, that's going to be able to coach you in a different way than, you know, Nick Saban talks about transformational versus transactional. Right. There's a lot of transactional coaches out there, whether they're doing it consciously or subconsciously. And when you're transactional, kids pick up on that. And I think that we can argue about how this generation's different, but ultimately their, their emotional intelligence or at least awareness is much greater than we have. Right. They have access to way more information than we ever did. So, you know, speaking of like, check out our website, 3athletics.com we partner, like I said, with organizations. We have all kinds of resources and tools for parents, coaches, and for leadership teams within organizations. You know, just to be able to look at this from a different lens, I think we're doing something that's different than most people are in this space. And like I said, I can teach kids how to hit and throw a baseball at the highest level. But my, my passion, my impact is from how, how do we connect with parents, how do we serve parents and coaches to help them be better prepared, right. To help their kids that they're coaching or parenting through this process, grow up with a healthy relationship with the sport they play, but more importantly, with themselves. 34 00:33:19.000 --> 00:34:03.000 Thanks to everyone for taking time out of their busy schedules to discuss this important topic. Reminder to check in with those around you because you never know what someone might be going through. Thanks again to John Litchfield, Zach Hale, and Matt Weston, the ABC Office. For other help on the podcast, feel free to reach out to me via email rbrownlyca.org Twitter, Instagram or TikTok CoachBCA or direct message me via the MyBC app as well. This is Ryan Brownlee signing off with the American Baseball Coaches Association. Thanks and leave it better for those behind you. 35 00:34:03.000 --> 00:34:18.000 Wait for another. And the world will always return as your life Never for yearning and you 36 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:23.000 know that way 37 00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:28.000 Wait for another 38 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:34.000 day. 39 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:41.000 Sam.