Full Transcript for E269: 31 (2016)

00:02:28.889 Hydra head. 41 00:02:29.469 --> 00:02:30.849 I'm a man of many heads. 42 00:02:31.530 --> 00:02:32.000 You are. Yes. 43 00:02:32.469 --> 00:02:33.710 Well, at least two, right? 44 00:02:34.280 --> 00:02:35.590 At least. Yeah. 45 00:02:36.060 --> 00:02:36.900 How could there be more? 46 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:38.979 Mm-hmm. 47 00:02:40.500 --> 00:02:43.180 Anyway, you guys excited to talk about this movie? 48 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:44.599 Yeah. 49 00:02:45.159 --> 00:02:47.120 Which movie is it? 50 00:02:47.099 --> 00:02:51.759 31. Let the record show, let the record show that 51 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:55.770 I am not the one who picked this movie tonight. 52 00:02:55.849 --> 00:02:58.150 I just want to make sure everybody knows that. 53 00:02:58.819 --> 00:03:00.819 Yeah, old dipshit over here did. 54 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:01.740 Yeah, you. 55 00:03:02.460 --> 00:03:07.099 Yes, me. I believe this movie is made by an auteur, 56 00:03:07.659 --> 00:03:09.430 and he needs proper respect. 57 00:03:09.819 --> 00:03:12.990 Written and directed by Rob Zombie. Thank you, I've been 58 00:03:13.030 --> 00:03:15.490 waiting for that. An auteur? 59 00:03:16.169 --> 00:03:16.849 He is an auteur. 60 00:03:16.889 --> 00:03:20.289 Hey, did you guys see that song from Shuri Moon 61 00:03:20.310 --> 00:03:20.780 Zombie yet? 62 00:03:21.060 --> 00:03:21.879 I did hear it. 63 00:03:22.180 --> 00:03:22.860 Yes, I did. 64 00:03:23.340 --> 00:03:24.699 Wasn't that fantastic? 65 00:03:25.219 --> 00:03:27.699 What was it? Everybody wants to fuck a robot or something? 66 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:31.539 No, I love my robot. I think you're combining I 67 00:03:31.599 --> 00:03:34.620 love my robot and everybody's fucking in a UFO into 68 00:03:34.659 --> 00:03:35.979 a melange, if you will. 69 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:47.509 Everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody's fucking in a UFO. 70 00:03:47.550 --> 00:03:50.590 Well, everybody, everybody, everybody, everybody's fucking in a UFO. So 71 00:03:50.610 --> 00:03:52.199 we get lyrics and we get a script from that guy. 72 00:03:52.210 --> 00:03:54.830 All right, I'll take it. It's a dream come true. 73 00:03:58.240 --> 00:04:00.479 The sure moon zombie song, here are my honest thoughts 74 00:04:00.539 --> 00:04:04.469 about it. It's dumb, but halfway through I realized my 75 00:04:04.500 --> 00:04:07.289 toe was a tap in and I was bopping. I 76 00:04:07.330 --> 00:04:09.509 was bopping. 77 00:04:09.969 --> 00:04:14.090 I did. It's a dumb bop and it's fine. It's harmless. 78 00:04:14.729 --> 00:04:15.689 Yeah. 79 00:04:15.849 --> 00:04:19.769 You can call it harmless. You know people, because Rob's 80 00:04:19.790 --> 00:04:24.310 going to be on tour this late summer, end of fall. 81 00:04:24.939 --> 00:04:27.579 And people are going to be trolling him. Oh, my God. 82 00:04:27.610 --> 00:04:28.939 Do you think he cares? 83 00:04:29.500 --> 00:04:29.750 No. 84 00:04:30.069 --> 00:04:32.269 No, but people are going

to come up with their shirts. 85 00:04:32.509 --> 00:04:34.800 I love my robot. Oh, so you actually listen to it. 86 00:04:34.889 --> 00:04:35.209 Yeah. 87 00:04:35.790 --> 00:04:36.870 I mean, yeah. 88 00:04:37.410 --> 00:04:37.850 Yeah. 89 00:04:37.910 --> 00:04:40.110 I mean, a lot of people love their robots. I 90 00:04:40.149 --> 00:04:42.670 think it's topical. I mean, we're in the age of 91 00:04:42.750 --> 00:04:45.129 AI and robots right now. And she's talking about it. 92 00:04:45.170 --> 00:04:47.269 As silly as her song might sound in the video, 93 00:04:47.310 --> 00:04:48.790 you know, she might be still trying to say something. 94 00:04:49.290 --> 00:04:51.930 So what you're saying, Heidelberg, that's a political song there. 95 00:04:52.360 --> 00:04:53.100 I don't think that's political. 96 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:53.800 I mean, it's a statement. 97 00:04:53.819 --> 00:04:55.420 I don't think any time you make a statement, it's 98 00:04:55.439 --> 00:04:57.980 necessarily political. You know what I mean? 99 00:04:58.019 --> 00:05:00.170 Yeah, I don't know if it's political, but it is 100 00:05:00.379 --> 00:05:00.930 a statement. 101 00:05:00.990 --> 00:05:02.699 I don't even like using that word, to be honest. 102 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:06.269 You don't have to. You guys have convinced me. I 103 00:05:06.350 --> 00:05:08.750 think I'm going to put it on my Spotify playlist. 104 00:05:09.350 --> 00:05:09.629 Okay. 105 00:05:10.069 --> 00:05:11.019 Listen to it every single day. 106 00:05:11.029 --> 00:05:14.170 Maybe it'll grow on you like a rash or something. God, 107 00:05:14.629 --> 00:05:15.589 it's gross. 108 00:05:15.990 --> 00:05:18.129 He's getting married next month. He doesn't need to deal 109 00:05:18.149 --> 00:05:18.670 with a rash. 110 00:05:18.990 --> 00:05:19.490 I really don't. 111 00:05:19.509 --> 00:05:21.930 Maybe listen to the song after the wedding, then. 112 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:23.139 The wedding night. 113 00:05:24.040 --> 00:05:24.300 Yeah. 114 00:05:24.759 --> 00:05:25.220 Perfect. 115 00:05:25.800 --> 00:05:26.600 We won't talk about that. 116 00:05:26.620 --> 00:05:27.000 You're welcome. 117 00:05:27.620 --> 00:05:28.519 We won't talk about that. 118 00:05:28.560 --> 00:05:31.360 No, we know you will, John. You say you won't, 119 00:05:31.379 --> 00:05:33.560 and then the next thing you say is something. 120 00:05:33.620 --> 00:05:33.899 Yes. 121 00:05:34.199 --> 00:05:34.819 Yes, I will. 122 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:40.230 John's not good at keeping things to himself. That's why 123 00:05:40.269 --> 00:05:40.730 we love him. 124 00:05:40.750 --> 00:05:44.069 Including his hands. Especially my rash on my wedding night. 125 00:05:44.269 --> 00:05:45.269 Oh, my God. 126 00:05:48.029 --> 00:05:51.050 No, some things are sacred. We would not press. What? 127 00:05:51.069 --> 00:05:55.129 It sucks. Tough actin' to actin' on there, on your diabetes. 128 00:05:55.149 --> 00:05:56.110 Okay, you got it. 129 00:05:56.110 --> 00:05:57.069 Okay. 130 00:05:57.089 --> 00:05:58.009 All right, should we move on? 131 00:05:58.329 --> 00:05:58.930 Let's move on. 132 00:05:58.930 --> 00:05:59.430 Let's move on. 133 00:05:59.829 --> 00:06:03.879 Sean, do you have any horror news from the horror 134 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:05.360 world for us? 135 00:06:08.540 --> 00:06:12.560 Jacqueline, yeah, I do, but we know you're a big 136 00:06:12.620 --> 00:06:15.339 fan of this icon, and I had to bring it 137 00:06:15.439 --> 00:06:19.819 up just because it happened today. Dolly Parton passed away 138 00:06:19.930 --> 00:06:22.740 at the age of 80. I would like to throw 139 00:06:22.779 --> 00:06:25.180 it to you because, like for me, this one hit 140 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:29.579 me hard. I worked in country music for, oh, shit, 141 00:06:29.660 --> 00:06:34.129 like 18 years. And it's like I've always heard great 142 00:06:34.170 --> 00:06:37.709 things about her. She didn't do– she didn't piss anybody off. 143 00:06:37.730 --> 00:06:40.670 She was always a sweet, kind person to anybody she met. 144 00:06:40.970 --> 00:06:44.259 You've seen her a couple of times, so the floor 145 00:06:44.300 --> 00:06:44.639 is yours. 146 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:48.420 Yeah, I know this isn't horror news, but I am 147 00:06:48.459 --> 00:06:51.569 kind of like– kind of in a state of shock 148 00:06:51.629 --> 00:06:54.829 about it. I'm, I feel devastated. Like I am a 149 00:06:54.930 --> 00:06:58.509 huge fan of Dolly Parton's. Um, I have seen her 150 00:06:58.610 --> 00:07:02.050 perform twice. I've seen all her movies. I have like 151 00:07:02.230 --> 00:07:04.279 tons of her albums. Cause she had just like, she 152 00:07:04.319 --> 00:07:07.480 had like hundreds of albums, maybe not hundreds, but like dozens. Um, 153 00:07:07.699 --> 00:07:09.319 I've just, I've been a fan like pretty much my 154 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:12.079 whole life. And I don't know. I just, I always 155 00:07:12.139 --> 00:07:15.300 had this sense that she was somehow immortal. Like that 156 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:16.730 she was sort of like slightly beyond. 157 00:07:16.750 --> 00:07:18.589 I had a sense that she had a painting somewhere 158 00:07:18.649 --> 00:07:21.230 that she's, protecting that nobody could find. 159 00:07:22.029 --> 00:07:23.879 That's the book I'm reading right now. Yeah. 160 00:07:24.449 --> 00:07:24.879 Yeah. 161 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:29.079 But, uh, yeah, it's just, it really surprised me because 162 00:07:29.139 --> 00:07:31.139 I knew she was 80 and I knew she had 163 00:07:31.180 --> 00:07:34.040 some health problems recently. Like she's had some canceled shows 164 00:07:34.100 --> 00:07:37.620 and canceled appearances. And yet I still kind of just 165 00:07:37.639 --> 00:07:39.459 felt like, Oh, it's just a blip. Like she's got 166 00:07:39.519 --> 00:07:42.800 another 20, 30 years left in her, you know, I 167 00:07:43.459 --> 00:07:46.399 just kind of, I don't know. She just

seemed a 168 00:07:46.459 --> 00:07:49.399 little bit I don't know. Just a little bit above 169 00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:50.040 the rest of us. 170 00:07:50.060 --> 00:07:51.579 She was the same age as Sam Neill. 171 00:07:52.139 --> 00:07:52.379 Really? 172 00:07:52.399 --> 00:07:53.779 He died at 80 as. 173 00:07:53.720 --> 00:07:54.139 Well, right? 174 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:58.100 Oh, yeah. Okay. I guess so, yeah. 175 00:07:58.199 --> 00:07:58.839 I don't know. 176 00:07:59.879 --> 00:08:02.720 It's hard for me to grasp. It just felt like 177 00:08:02.779 --> 00:08:07.199 she was something a little bit more human than human. Sorry. 178 00:08:07.220 --> 00:08:08.740 Wow. Nice reference. 179 00:08:08.759 --> 00:08:14.449 That truly came out organically. But really, I just sort 180 00:08:14.470 --> 00:08:17.189 of can't believe it. I don't know. I'm listening to 181 00:08:17.230 --> 00:08:18.699 a lot of Dolly... this evening. 182 00:08:19.199 --> 00:08:19.839 Yeah, Heiderberg. 183 00:08:19.860 --> 00:08:23.680 She's got some bangers. I meant her songs, by the way, 184 00:08:23.720 --> 00:08:24.100 her songs. 185 00:08:24.220 --> 00:08:28.939 Right. We got that. Anyways, Heiderberg, did you have kind 186 00:08:28.959 --> 00:08:32.289 of any connection to her? Just knowing her, being iconic? 187 00:08:32.850 --> 00:08:35.809 She's always iconic. Award shows, they would just, she'd come 188 00:08:35.870 --> 00:08:38.070 out like all the time performing back when I was 189 00:08:38.110 --> 00:08:40.490 young on everything, you know, just all the time. Like 190 00:08:40.529 --> 00:08:44.190 a Dolly Parton performance was just like expected, you know, 191 00:08:44.470 --> 00:08:46.990 at the Super Bowl or somewhere at the Grammys or 192 00:08:47.559 --> 00:08:49.539 And she did a lot of collabos with people, too. 193 00:08:49.820 --> 00:08:51.620 That's why I feel like her work feels like it's 194 00:08:51.659 --> 00:08:54.820 even bigger, because she was just always working with other artists. 195 00:08:55.259 --> 00:08:57.179 You know, the Save the World stuff back in the day, 196 00:08:57.220 --> 00:08:59.419 the We Are the Children and all that stuff back 197 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:01.820 in the day. She was involved in all that stuff. 198 00:09:01.860 --> 00:09:05.159 She was always one of the artists involved. And, yeah, 199 00:09:05.179 --> 00:09:06.750 just like her... I don't know. She was in a 200 00:09:06.789 --> 00:09:08.669 lot of movies I watched, too, back in the day. 201 00:09:08.690 --> 00:09:11.450 A couple movies. I don't remember if it was Cannonball 202 00:09:11.509 --> 00:09:13.990 Run or... She was in a movie with Bruce. 203 00:09:14.840 --> 00:09:16.000 She was in Straight Talk. 204 00:09:16.279 --> 00:09:17.580 She was in Rhinestone. 205 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:20.460 Rhinestone Cowboy. 206 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:24.580 It's just called Rhinestone. She was in Steel Magnolias, 9 207 00:09:24.580 --> 00:09:25.799 to 5. 208 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:26.059 Yeah. 209 00:09:26.500 --> 00:09:29.120 Best Little Whorehouse in Texas. 210 00:09:29.220 --> 00:09:32.539 The Chicken Ranch, yeah. Yeah. 211 00:09:32.659 --> 00:09:35.490 And her songs are legendary. There's been covers of her. 212 00:09:37.149 --> 00:09:38.259 What was the song that Fugees did? 213 00:09:38.269 --> 00:09:39.070 I Will Always Love You. 214 00:09:40.009 --> 00:09:41.529 Killing Him Softly, I think it was. 215 00:09:42.289 --> 00:09:43.210 No, that was Roberta Fleck. 216 00:09:44.559 --> 00:09:47.000 No, oh man, maybe I'm wrong. 217 00:09:47.539 --> 00:09:49.710 No, I'm going to kind of go with that, Heiderberg, 218 00:09:49.750 --> 00:09:52.529 because she, I don't know if you remember back in 219 00:09:52.549 --> 00:09:54.889 the 90s, and Jacqueline, are you a country music fan? 220 00:09:55.509 --> 00:09:59.929 Yeah, I'm more knowledgeable about like classic country than modern country, but... 221 00:10:00.019 --> 00:10:00.659 you know. 222 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:04.320 Well, here's the thing, is that Shania Twain and Faith Hill, 223 00:10:04.700 --> 00:10:08.740 they became, like, crossover artists. But Dolly Parton did it first. 224 00:10:09.220 --> 00:10:09.539 Mm-hmm. 225 00:10:09.700 --> 00:10:13.100 Back in the late 70s, early 80s. Those women did it, like, 226 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:15.330 in the 90s, where it was, like, you would hear 227 00:10:15.350 --> 00:10:17.110 it on a pop station, then you'd hear it on 228 00:10:17.149 --> 00:10:21.870 a country station. Mm-hmm. But Dolly Parton did that first. 229 00:10:22.450 --> 00:10:23.409 Islands in the Stream. 230 00:10:24.129 --> 00:10:24.529 Oh, yeah. 231 00:10:25.049 --> 00:10:27.549 She had a set of pipes on her, I'll tell you. Yeah, 232 00:10:27.570 --> 00:10:27.950 for sure. 233 00:10:28.250 --> 00:10:30.690 Yeah. But, I mean, she wasn't just a great artist. 234 00:10:30.769 --> 00:10:35.350 She really was a great human being. Correct. She donated 235 00:10:35.490 --> 00:10:38.029 so much of her money over the years to various causes. 236 00:10:38.129 --> 00:10:41.649 She committed herself to literacy and education for children. She 237 00:10:41.690 --> 00:10:45.529 gave away literally millions and millions of free books to children. 238 00:10:46.009 --> 00:10:48.159 children in need over the years who might not have 239 00:10:48.259 --> 00:10:49.059 access to books. 240 00:10:49.360 --> 00:10:54.120 I mean, yeah. It's just her presentation, like her, just, 241 00:10:54.139 --> 00:10:56.350 I don't know, like she never showed up half ass 242 00:10:56.370 --> 00:10:58.809 to anything. I look like, you know what I mean? 243 00:10:58.990 --> 00:10:59.149 Yeah. 244 00:10:59.169 --> 00:11:00.570 Not just, I mean like the way she lived, but 245 00:11:00.610 --> 00:11:03.149 just like her, she's old business. And like, but like 246 00:11:03.169 --> 00:11:05.240 you said, she took the time to like, you know, 247 00:11:05.279 --> 00:11:08.039

shake the hands of fans and, and pay gratitude back 248 00:11:08.100 --> 00:11:10.519 to the people that, you know, helped put her where 249 00:11:10.539 --> 00:11:12.340 she was too. I felt like, yeah. 250 00:11:12.360 --> 00:11:14.639 Jacqueline, you brought up, you brought up like just being 251 00:11:14.750 --> 00:11:17.470 iconic and you thought she had another 20, 30 years. 252 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:19.470 The last time I can remember that was Betty White. 253 00:11:20.049 --> 00:11:20.750 Yeah. 254 00:11:21.769 --> 00:11:23.809 I mean, and that's the way it was, you know, her, 255 00:11:24.570 --> 00:11:28.149 Dolly's iconic laugh, just kind of that cackle was so 256 00:11:28.309 --> 00:11:33.129 adorable and it was just so infectious. Great smile on 257 00:11:33.169 --> 00:11:36.169 her face and, I don't know. And they hit me 258 00:11:36.210 --> 00:11:37.350 hard today for sure. 259 00:11:37.649 --> 00:11:39.429 I mean, no, I don't think anybody can ever say 260 00:11:39.470 --> 00:11:42.029 anything bad about Dolly Parton. She's never had a scandal. 261 00:11:42.110 --> 00:11:44.070 She's never, you know, they do. 262 00:11:44.110 --> 00:11:45.379 They'll say it now that she's dead. 263 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:46.679 Oh God. 264 00:11:46.960 --> 00:11:49.840 Yeah. I'm not saying it's real, but that's when that 265 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:51.019 kind of crap people, you. 266 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:53.169 Know, I don't want to hear it. 267 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:56.419 She never, I don't, I don't think she ever did 268 00:11:56.500 --> 00:11:59.789 anything that would divide people or be considered, you know, 269 00:11:59.850 --> 00:12:02.769 really controversial. I, I think the worst thing some people 270 00:12:02.809 --> 00:12:04.269 could say about her is they didn't like the way 271 00:12:04.309 --> 00:12:09.669 she looked. Her appearance was over the top. But if 272 00:12:09.710 --> 00:12:11.809 that's the worst thing somebody ever says about you. 273 00:12:12.090 --> 00:12:15.730 Because she had the money to get plastic surgery. 274 00:12:15.750 --> 00:12:18.129 So what? Who cares? 275 00:12:18.169 --> 00:12:20.210 The nails and the hair and the makeup and the 276 00:12:20.850 --> 00:12:24.309 gaudy outfits. But she was always the first one to 277 00:12:24.429 --> 00:12:26.809 crack a joke at her own expense. She kind of 278 00:12:26.850 --> 00:12:32.259 has a little reservoir of kind of frequent jokes and 279 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:33.759 one of the things she always used to say was 280 00:12:34.159 --> 00:12:35.590 um you know it costs a lot of money to 281 00:12:35.610 --> 00:12:36.570 look this cheap. 282 00:12:38.549 --> 00:12:40.289 That's a great a little bit of like she had 283 00:12:40.309 --> 00:12:43.690 like that southern bell uh sort of vibe to me 284 00:12:43.730 --> 00:12:46.169 so it was like she liked to ritz it up 285 00:12:46.210 --> 00:12:48.529 a little bit and dress fancy uh in her own 286 00:12:48.570 --> 00:12:51.350 sort of way and also you know a little provocative 287 00:12:51.389 --> 00:12:54.149 for a country you know what i mean uh because 288 00:12:54.190 --> 00:12:56.549 that's she was trying to keep that line i think 289 00:12:56.590 --> 00:12:58.799 you know she didn't want to go too far and 290 00:12:58.940 --> 00:13:02.120 alienate her, her audience. Cause obviously the country folk, you know, 291 00:13:02.480 --> 00:13:03.779 they go to church and stuff like that. 292 00:13:03.860 --> 00:13:07.019 So, but she always portrayed that like her, her personality 293 00:13:07.039 --> 00:13:08.440 was always like that. 294 00:13:08.480 --> 00:13:10.000 She was always a kind person. 295 00:13:10.500 --> 00:13:10.919 Yeah. 296 00:13:11.360 --> 00:13:14.120 Well, speaking of her appearance to Heidelberg, you might find 297 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:17.259 this funny to know, but the inspiration for her whole 298 00:13:17.399 --> 00:13:19.500 over the top look with the big hair and the 299 00:13:19.539 --> 00:13:21.580 makeup and the nails and always being super done up 300 00:13:21.639 --> 00:13:24.059 and sparkly. She always said that it came from when 301 00:13:24.139 --> 00:13:27.120 she was a child. She, uh, she kind of like 302 00:13:27.159 --> 00:13:30.659 developed her sense of style based on the town prostitute. 303 00:13:31.539 --> 00:13:32.059 Oh man. 304 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:33.940 She thought she was so pretty. She thought she was 305 00:13:33.960 --> 00:13:37.340 the prettiest woman she'd ever seen. And she would tell 306 00:13:37.379 --> 00:13:39.179 her mother when I grow up, I want to look 307 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:40.919 like that. And her mother was like, Oh God. 308 00:13:40.940 --> 00:13:42.559 That was the idea. 309 00:13:42.600 --> 00:13:44.860 That's what she did. That was her idea of glamorous 310 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:45.850 to a little girl. 311 00:13:46.450 --> 00:13:48.909 Like when you hear, when you hear a story like 312 00:13:48.929 --> 00:13:51.389 that and Jacqueline going back to the word wholesome, that's just, 313 00:13:51.789 --> 00:13:52.850 I just want to look that pretty. 314 00:13:52.950 --> 00:13:57.200 She didn't, She didn't want to be a prostitute. But 315 00:13:57.259 --> 00:14:00.019 she also didn't judge that person. She was like, that's 316 00:14:00.059 --> 00:14:00.860 the prettiest woman. 317 00:14:00.899 --> 00:14:03.679 That's what I want to look like. I don't know 318 00:14:03.700 --> 00:14:05.120 if it's weird to say, but I feel like I've 319 00:14:05.139 --> 00:14:08.009 been attracted to her in every age of my life. 320 00:14:08.429 --> 00:14:10.590 I agree. 321 00:14:10.649 --> 00:14:12.309 Even as a kid, she was just like, wow, she's 322 00:14:12.330 --> 00:14:14.110 a pretty lady. And then I grew up and I 323 00:14:14.110 --> 00:14:16.570 was like, wow, she's a pretty woman. You know what 324 00:14:16.830 --> 00:14:18.870 I mean? Even now, I'm like, wow. Yeah, exactly. We 325

00:14:18.889 --> 00:14:19.149 can't go. 326 00:14:22.879 --> 00:14:25.899 With this conversation without saying that she was, yeah, she 327 00:14:25.940 --> 00:14:28.039 was bodacious. Those Tata's were just. 328 00:14:28.500 --> 00:14:31.659 Yeah. She reminded me of the, it was like the 329 00:14:31.700 --> 00:14:34.259 wicked witch and the, and the, the nice witch. It was, 330 00:14:34.379 --> 00:14:37.559 you had Dolly on one side and then you had Elvira. Exactly. 331 00:14:37.639 --> 00:14:40.899 And for me, I was like light and dark. 332 00:14:41.220 --> 00:14:45.639 I think in our first year or two of the podcast, 333 00:14:45.659 --> 00:14:47.799 somebody suggested like, when are they going to make a 334 00:14:47.919 --> 00:14:51.840 TV movie with, uh, you know, Dolly and Elvira. 335 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:54.179 Imagine one trying to be good and they have to 336 00:14:54.210 --> 00:14:57.389 work together. Yeah, but one's got the evil side. Yeah, exactly. 337 00:14:58.250 --> 00:15:00.559 A hilarious wicked. That's a great way to put it. 338 00:15:01.029 --> 00:15:02.610 We'd have to make it with AI now and that's 339 00:15:02.629 --> 00:15:03.049 just evil. 340 00:15:04.950 --> 00:15:07.889 Anyway, well, thanks for bringing that up, John. It's been 341 00:15:07.909 --> 00:15:09.889 on my mind and I know it's not horror news, 342 00:15:09.950 --> 00:15:10.590 but still. 343 00:15:10.809 --> 00:15:14.070 Well, I mean, talking it out too. I mean, it 344 00:15:14.789 --> 00:15:18.259 sticks in your craw, but you have to talk about it. Anyways, 345 00:15:19.029 --> 00:15:22.690 I could not believe this when I was reading it. Insidious, 346 00:15:22.850 --> 00:15:29.669 out of the further, raked in $ 25 million at the 347 00:15:29.720 --> 00:15:30.340 box office. 348 00:15:30.529 --> 00:15:30.980 Why? 349 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:34.320 I have to say I'm surprised. Because we covered the trailer, 350 00:15:34.340 --> 00:15:40.019 didn't we? That's what did it. That's what drove those numbers. 351 00:15:40.519 --> 00:15:47.230 We're looking for our little cheese, okay? Insidious, James Wan. Anyways, 352 00:15:47.309 --> 00:15:49.509 it I don't care. I don't want to go see it. 353 00:15:50.019 --> 00:15:53.159 I like the first one. You know, like the second one. 354 00:15:53.200 --> 00:15:54.049 I don't think I've seen it. 355 00:15:54.580 --> 00:15:57.000 I'm curious. Let's see what it does. It's like week two, though. 356 00:15:57.090 --> 00:15:58.950 I want to see if there's any drop off because 357 00:15:58.970 --> 00:16:00.990 then that kind of tells you if it's like any good. 358 00:16:01.509 --> 00:16:02.710 It's going to break in like good. 359 00:16:03.190 --> 00:16:03.389 Yeah. 360 00:16:03.429 --> 00:16:05.129 The twenty five hundred people go more. 361 00:16:05.710 --> 00:16:07.769 That's right. Because then you get word of mouth. But 362 00:16:07.929 --> 00:16:10.029 that first weekend, it's like people will go see it, 363 00:16:10.090 --> 00:16:11.929 you know, without any insidious. 364 00:16:12.169 --> 00:16:15.659 Yeah. All the insidious movies were PG-13. Right. So it's 365 00:16:15.679 --> 00:16:17.340 like more widely available. 366 00:16:17.820 --> 00:16:18.620 That's a good point. 367 00:16:19.019 --> 00:16:19.419 That's a good point. 368 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:21.960 They're studio films, so they tend to go that route 369 00:16:22.039 --> 00:16:22.539 more often. 370 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:23.259 Right. 371 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:27.620 Even though most horror fans don't, like, love, you know, 372 00:16:27.799 --> 00:16:29.990 I don't mind a PG-13. Like, it's not like I 373 00:16:30.039 --> 00:16:32.169 see it and I'm like, ugh. But I'm just like, well, 374 00:16:32.269 --> 00:16:34.230 then the writing's definitely going to have to be, you know, 375 00:16:34.269 --> 00:16:36.529 really tight, I feel like, on a film. Like, they 376 00:16:36.549 --> 00:16:38.610 got to nail more on a PG-13, I think, than 377 00:16:38.649 --> 00:16:40.289 a rated R for some reason. I don't know why 378 00:16:40.330 --> 00:16:42.710 I'm giving it that, but it feels that way sometimes. 379 00:16:43.350 --> 00:16:45.669 But don't you think that Blumhouse is really kind of, 380 00:16:45.669 --> 00:16:49.309 it kind of, trashed their trail of what they were 381 00:16:49.350 --> 00:16:52.570 trying to do yeah um you know lower budget just 382 00:16:52.990 --> 00:16:56.840 more terrifying type movies and it's just no you be 383 00:16:57.000 --> 00:16:59.519 you become a part of the hollywood machine now because 384 00:16:59.539 --> 00:17:02.139 you're trying to capitalize on all this bullshit that you're 385 00:17:02.159 --> 00:17:05.000 putting out there and it's like yeah people are going 386 00:17:05.039 --> 00:17:07.880 to go see the movie but you know where's the 387 00:17:07.980 --> 00:17:11.420 substance to it where's the where's the meat and potatoes 388 00:17:11.539 --> 00:17:14.440 of what brought you to insidious give us something different 389 00:17:14.660 --> 00:17:17.230 i mean Sorry, I don't mean to be in my soapbox, 390 00:17:17.250 --> 00:17:19.789 but I just think that Blumhouse is really... Is it 391 00:17:19.809 --> 00:17:22.589 Blumhouse or A... No, it's not A24. This is Blumhouse, right? 392 00:17:22.690 --> 00:17:25.990 I think it's not A24. I don't even know it's Blumhouse. 393 00:17:26.289 --> 00:17:27.480 I don't know, but it's not A24. 394 00:17:27.849 --> 00:17:31.769 But, I mean, like, for me, it's like, just bring 395 00:17:31.829 --> 00:17:34.710 us something different. Go back to the formula of what 396 00:17:34.730 --> 00:17:37.529 you guys were doing before. You know, these lower budgets, 397 00:17:38.130 --> 00:17:42.430 and then if you... Is Blumhouse, like, paranormal activity? Weren't 398 00:17:42.470 --> 00:17:43.579 they the producers for that? 399 00:17:44.130 --> 00:17:47.480 I think so. I don't know, though. 400 00:17:47.519 -->

00:17:50.039 I don't pay as much attention to Blumhouse. I've not 401 00:17:50.079 --> 00:17:50.980 seen their films. 402 00:17:51.299 --> 00:17:54.619 That movie did monster numbers, but then what did they 403 00:17:54.660 --> 00:17:55.319 do after that? 404 00:17:55.660 --> 00:17:58.119 They franchised everything. 405 00:17:58.700 --> 00:18:03.130 I know, but they became a part of that Hollywood machine. 406 00:18:03.349 --> 00:18:05.109 That was the goal all along, probably. 407 00:18:05.890 --> 00:18:11.089 Maybe. Blumhouse, 20 years ago, was the talk of the town. 408 00:18:11.170 --> 00:18:15.829 You've got this smaller production company That is cranking out money, 409 00:18:15.890 --> 00:18:20.150 but their overhead is really low. 410 00:18:20.579 --> 00:18:23.720 Now you have A24 doing similar things. With bigger budgets, 411 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:27.240 but still smaller projects. Now that are coming out with 412 00:18:27.299 --> 00:18:30.599 better quality than Blumhouse any day of the week. I 413 00:18:30.720 --> 00:18:32.380 think any A24 over a Blumhouse film. 414 00:18:32.859 --> 00:18:36.789 Maybe I'm just bitter about the Halloween trilogy. That's what 415 00:18:37.029 --> 00:18:41.569 you should be. Yeah, and maybe that's my... biased against 416 00:18:41.809 --> 00:18:42.569 Blumhouse right now. 417 00:18:42.630 --> 00:18:45.690 I mean, yeah, I could see why you're mad. Because 418 00:18:45.970 --> 00:18:49.430 Halloween was in such great hands before they did that trilogy, 419 00:18:49.450 --> 00:18:52.380 you know? So I could see why you'd get so upset. 420 00:18:52.799 --> 00:18:55.630 And then when Rob Zombie did it as well, you know, 421 00:18:55.650 --> 00:18:57.779 he did a pretty good job too, I guess. 422 00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:01.099 I mean, the second and third movies in the trilogy 423 00:19:01.140 --> 00:19:02.140 didn't do it any favors. 424 00:19:02.700 --> 00:19:04.839 No, they really did not. 425 00:19:05.220 --> 00:19:07.119 Not saying it was in great hands before, but it 426 00:19:07.140 --> 00:19:07.900 certainly didn't help it. 427 00:19:07.900 --> 00:19:10.240 I didn't expect anything out of that. It all felt 428 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:14.009 like You're saying you're making a trilogy before you even 429 00:19:14.049 --> 00:19:17.809 put out one film? Now we're a little wiser. 430 00:19:17.829 --> 00:19:22.289 I agree with that 100% because then we just went down. 431 00:19:22.710 --> 00:19:27.539 After 78 and then, what, 81 that Halloween 2 came out? 432 00:19:28.079 --> 00:19:33.740 And I liked Halloween 3, Season of the Witch. I do, too. 433 00:19:34.380 --> 00:19:37.339 And then it went down these different trails of different storylines. 434 00:19:37.440 --> 00:19:40.480 And it just was like, really? Come on. And then 435 00:19:40.529 --> 00:19:43.789 there was the rehash from Rob Zombie. Then there was 436 00:19:43.890 --> 00:19:47.269 the David Gordon Green. It's like, good Lord, how many 437 00:19:47.309 --> 00:19:49.450 times can you tell this story? I just really hope 438 00:19:49.470 --> 00:19:52.109 we don't have to. have to cover those movies. I 439 00:19:52.230 --> 00:19:52.769 really don't. 440 00:19:53.269 --> 00:19:56.609 Actually, I'm sure you do. You picked tonight's film, so. 441 00:19:57.029 --> 00:19:57.609 Fair enough. 442 00:19:59.250 --> 00:20:02.730 Anywho. I'll tell you who won't ever be picking a 443 00:20:02.769 --> 00:20:04.279 Rob Zombie film. Yes. 444 00:20:04.470 --> 00:20:04.859 That guy. 445 00:20:05.779 --> 00:20:06.740 That guy right there. 446 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:08.920 He's got two thumbs pointing at him. 447 00:20:09.609 --> 00:20:12.970 Never say never you never never. 448 00:20:12.789 --> 00:20:14.930 No i mean unless one of you guys is like 449 00:20:15.430 --> 00:20:18.640 hey i'm dying tomorrow my last wish is that you 450 00:20:19.160 --> 00:20:21.099 cover rob zombie with me but it's. 451 00:20:21.039 --> 00:20:24.480 Your hydra berg if i were dying tomorrow my dying 452 00:20:24.539 --> 00:20:27.539 wish would be that we cover the langoliers. 453 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:32.740 Oh the langoliers rob zombies langoliers no the langoliers. 454 00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:34.220 Written and directed by rob. 455 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:38.480 Zombie No, I don't want that. I want the ABC 456 00:20:38.559 --> 00:20:43.559 TV movie with fucking Bronson Pinchot and that lady from 30-something. 457 00:20:43.619 --> 00:20:47.900 Who's Larry? That's gross. Why don't we just listen to 458 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:49.000 the audiobook instead? 459 00:20:49.519 --> 00:20:49.759 I know. 460 00:20:50.099 --> 00:20:51.859 I'm cutting it off right there because that was a 461 00:20:52.500 --> 00:20:54.440 lot of news. Are you guys cool with that? 462 00:20:54.819 --> 00:20:58.140 I'm cool with that. Are you guys ready to get 463 00:20:58.180 --> 00:20:58.490 into it? 464 00:20:59.339 --> 00:21:00.319 Yeah, sure. Yay! 465 00:21:00.380 --> 00:21:04.710 We're talking about 31 from 2016. Written and directed by 466 00:21:04.769 --> 00:21:11.369 Rob Zombie. John, this was your pick. Again, yours, not mine. 467 00:21:11.849 --> 00:21:13.630 I did not pick this, so I do not want 468 00:21:13.670 --> 00:21:15.789 any shit. I am always the one who gets the shit. 469 00:21:16.109 --> 00:21:19.390 I do not want the shit this time. John, why 470 00:21:19.910 --> 00:21:22.829 did you and not me pick this movie? 471 00:21:24.259 --> 00:21:26.039 I'm glad you reiterated that, Jacqueline. 472 00:21:26.059 --> 00:21:28.039 I'm just making sure everybody knows. 473 00:21:29.119 --> 00:21:32.319 I picked it. I picked it. Yes, I did. It 474 00:21:32.359 --> 00:21:34.299 was pretty funny because we have our spreadsheet and it's 475 00:21:34.339 --> 00:21:36.940 just like, I'm a glutton for punishment. And I really, 476 00:21:37.059 --> 00:21:40.960 truly believe I'm a glutton for punishment because I picked 477 00:21:41.019 --> 00:21:43.319

it off a whim. I was just like, fuck it. 478 00:21:43.519 --> 00:21:45.500 We haven't done it. I mean, we did the whole 479 00:21:45.519 --> 00:21:48.940 trilogy for the Firefly family. We did Lords of Salem. 480 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:52.440 What are we missing? And you know, you know, I 481 00:21:52.769 --> 00:21:55.569 am not picking the Rob Zombie Halloween. 482 00:21:55.789 --> 00:21:58.089 I know. You know, once we finish all the films, 483 00:21:58.549 --> 00:22:02.460 the podcast is over. Because our lifeline, our whole blood 484 00:22:02.500 --> 00:22:05.960 thing is like the bloodline is Rob Zombie from beginning 485 00:22:05.980 --> 00:22:06.440 to end of the podcast. 486 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:08.720 That's why I always spread them out. And that's why 487 00:22:08.809 --> 00:22:10.829 it's clear that I did not pick this tonight. 488 00:22:11.410 --> 00:22:14.890 Well, perhaps John's trying to kill the show. Oh, no. 489 00:22:15.289 --> 00:22:17.609 John, are you trying to get out of A Cut Above? 490 00:22:18.170 --> 00:22:18.859 No, I'm really not. 491 00:22:18.990 --> 00:22:21.430 Are you trying to sabotage us? You're getting married and 492 00:22:21.470 --> 00:22:23.390 now you think you're too good for us? No. No. 493 00:22:24.000 --> 00:22:24.480 No. 494 00:22:24.819 --> 00:22:27.660 You guys are my family. Shut up, Jacqueline. 495 00:22:27.700 --> 00:22:29.089 Come on. I mean, I don't mind doing the show 496 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:32.490 with Nicole and Jacqueline. I can do that. Like a 497 00:22:32.529 --> 00:22:34.609 melange tois, if you will. 498 00:22:35.549 --> 00:22:35.910 Whoa. 499 00:22:36.230 --> 00:22:37.230 Let's not make it weird. 500 00:22:37.769 --> 00:22:39.210 Yeah. 501 00:22:39.250 --> 00:22:40.170 You know I already do. 502 00:22:40.750 --> 00:22:42.390 If Nicole hears you say that, she may never come 503 00:22:42.430 --> 00:22:42.609 on again. 504 00:22:42.630 --> 00:22:44.750 That's true. So don't say that. 505 00:22:45.250 --> 00:22:47.690 I would like to tell our listeners, though, on our 506 00:22:47.789 --> 00:22:51.029 shared spreadsheet where we keep our schedule, here's what it 507 00:22:51.089 --> 00:22:52.450 says for this week. 508 00:22:52.970 --> 00:22:53.410 It says. 509 00:22:53.410 --> 00:23:00.240 8.25, John, it's John's pick, says 31 from 2016. And 510 00:23:00.279 --> 00:23:03.349 next to it, John has written, I'm a glutton for punishment. 511 00:23:03.829 --> 00:23:10.089 And next to that, Heiderberg has written, HB vetoes, LOL. LOL. 512 00:23:11.150 --> 00:23:13.130 I don't know if we can, but I'm figuring, okay, 513 00:23:13.190 --> 00:23:13.650 let's do it. 514 00:23:13.869 --> 00:23:14.680 Well, apparently not. 515 00:23:14.690 --> 00:23:17.150 I was waiting for another signature on the petition, but 516 00:23:17.190 --> 00:23:17.890 nobody joined me. 517 00:23:18.390 --> 00:23:19.990 Well, who picked Poltergeist? 518 00:23:20.599 --> 00:23:24.210 Not me. I don't pick these fucking films, guys. I mean, 519 00:23:24.230 --> 00:23:25.910 I pick stuff that's not great. 520 00:23:26.349 --> 00:23:29.170 I didn't try to veto anything. It's my pick. 521 00:23:29.390 --> 00:23:33.869 Well, the veto does not work because here we are. 522 00:23:34.430 --> 00:23:38.029 Here we are. So anyways, I picked this because, okay, 523 00:23:38.069 --> 00:23:39.869 fuck it. It's time. 524 00:23:40.430 --> 00:23:41.089 Okay, great. 525 00:23:41.109 --> 00:23:41.970 Get it out of the way. 526 00:23:42.309 --> 00:23:46.549 Totally justified. Anyway, that means you get to decide first 527 00:23:47.069 --> 00:23:49.450 whether 31 from 2016 fucks or sucks. Wait, does it? 528 00:23:52.940 --> 00:23:57.019 Does it fucky, fucky? Or does it sucky, sucky? 529 00:23:57.420 --> 00:23:58.059 Does it juicy, juicy? 530 00:23:58.079 --> 00:24:00.079 Oh, please tell me, Elizabeth, how exactly does one suck 531 00:24:00.140 --> 00:24:02.000 a fuck? You want me to tell you? Please. 532 00:24:02.519 --> 00:24:02.960 It sucks. 533 00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:03.480 Sorry. 534 00:24:04.079 --> 00:24:08.180 It sucks. This movie sucks. This movie sucks. That's all 535 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:08.579 I got. 536 00:24:09.079 --> 00:24:11.180 Okay. Hydra Bird. I'm sorry. Hydra Head. 537 00:24:11.680 --> 00:24:11.920 Yes. 538 00:24:12.339 --> 00:24:13.519 Does it fuck or does it suck? 539 00:24:13.900 --> 00:24:16.240 When I give head, I have many tongues. No, I'm 540 00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:17.240 just kidding. 541 00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:17.440 No. 542 00:24:18.099 --> 00:24:18.680 Like a hydra. 543 00:24:19.329 --> 00:24:20.029 It's under water. 544 00:24:20.049 --> 00:24:23.710 Yeah, that's crazy. That should be the name for a 545 00:24:23.769 --> 00:24:25.680 sex toy. Anyway, we'll come back to that. 546 00:24:25.700 --> 00:24:25.980 The Hydra. 547 00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:29.319 Put a pin in it. Yeah. But I don't know. 548 00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:32.599 I'm conflicted out. Whether this is fucky fuckies or sucky 549 00:24:32.619 --> 00:24:36.059 suckies or juicy juicies. I don't know if it's got 550 00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:37.640 the money money. Yeah, I don't know if it's got 551 00:24:37.660 --> 00:24:38.329 the money money. 552 00:24:38.380 --> 00:24:38.650 It didn't. 553 00:24:38.869 --> 00:24:39.809 It didn't and does not. 554 00:24:41.170 --> 00:24:44.430 I'm conflicted, though, because there are elements in this movie 555 00:24:44.450 --> 00:24:48.369 that I do like. It's like going to the carnival. 556 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:51.779 for a threesome or a group sex kind of thing. 557 00:24:51.940 --> 00:24:54.559 I'm sorry, who goes to the carnival for a threesome 558 00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:56.349 or group sex? I don't know. 559 00:24:56.369 --> 00:24:59.170 Rob Zombie, obviously, and Sherry Moon. I'm just trying to 560 00:24:59.210 --> 00:25:01.670 tie it back to the movie and Rob Zombie's fascination 561 00:25:01.690 --> 00:25:06.549 with carnival stuff. Or maybe you find

yourself in a 562 00:25:06.630 --> 00:25:09.569 UFO and you're like, hey, I don't know. Are we 563 00:25:09.609 --> 00:25:12.250 fucking around in here? I don't know. Is everybody fucking 564 00:25:12.269 --> 00:25:13.269 around in this UFO? 565 00:25:14.130 --> 00:25:14.529 I don't know. 566 00:25:15.529 --> 00:25:20.009 But what I do know is Is that, yeah, I'm 567 00:25:20.029 --> 00:25:22.170 flaccid on this one. I think I'm flaccid. 568 00:25:22.490 --> 00:25:22.829 Okay. 569 00:25:23.109 --> 00:25:26.289 Jacqueline, who do you think? Does 31 fuck or suck? 570 00:25:27.690 --> 00:25:32.210 So this is, I believe, my third time watching this movie. 571 00:25:33.369 --> 00:25:36.490 The second time was quite a while ago. So there's 572 00:25:36.509 --> 00:25:39.569 been a big gap between the first two times that 573 00:25:39.589 --> 00:25:42.029 I watched it and this time. And in my memory, 574 00:25:42.230 --> 00:25:46.039 it was like maybe his worst film. And I was 575 00:25:46.170 --> 00:25:49.619 honestly not looking forward to watching it this, this week, 576 00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:51.779 as big of a fan as I am of old 577 00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:53.099 Robert zombie. 578 00:25:53.759 --> 00:25:55.319 Um, I was kind of like, but then we recently 579 00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:58.089 watched one of his worst films. Yeah. 580 00:25:58.119 --> 00:26:00.950 So that may have helped this film actually, because I 581 00:26:01.930 --> 00:26:04.750 did not, this movie did not suck as bad as 582 00:26:04.950 --> 00:26:09.569 I thought. I remembered it sucking. And there were actually 583 00:26:09.670 --> 00:26:12.740 times when I found myself having a good time watching it, 584 00:26:13.009 --> 00:26:15.529 not all of the time, but some of the time, 585 00:26:16.250 --> 00:26:18.769 I did not hate it. Some of the time I 586 00:26:18.809 --> 00:26:20.470 did hate it, but some of the time I did 587 00:26:20.490 --> 00:26:23.819 not hate it much to my surprise. So I'm going 588 00:26:23.839 --> 00:26:26.970 to say right now, I'm going to say right now, I'm, 589 00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:29.180 I'm a, I'm a little bit in the middle and 590 00:26:29.220 --> 00:26:32.180 maybe if I'm, I feel like I need to have 591 00:26:32.220 --> 00:26:34.559 this conversation with y'all and kind of see where I land. 592 00:26:34.619 --> 00:26:36.309 But right now I feel like I'm right in the middle. 593 00:26:36.369 --> 00:26:38.670 So it's maybe like a fridge. Maybe it's frigid. It 594 00:26:38.710 --> 00:26:41.569 doesn't fuck or suck. No, it probably sucks a little. 595 00:26:42.069 --> 00:26:45.059 I don't know. It's, It's either frigid or it sucks 596 00:26:45.220 --> 00:26:48.259 a little. It'll suck just the head. Just the head. 597 00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:50.299 Just the tip. 598 00:26:50.440 --> 00:26:52.599 What a tease. What a tease. 599 00:26:53.299 --> 00:26:54.839 It is a tease because it could have been better. 600 00:26:55.299 --> 00:26:57.890 So anyway, all of his movies could have been better. 601 00:26:59.150 --> 00:27:01.390 If you took all his movies and melange them, I 602 00:27:01.450 --> 00:27:04.089 think we'd have a really good film. Like, there's elements 603 00:27:04.170 --> 00:27:07.250 in all his films. He's one of the most inconsistent 604 00:27:07.269 --> 00:27:08.880 directors I've ever, or writers I've ever met. 605 00:27:08.910 --> 00:27:09.359 Agreed, yes. 606 00:27:10.059 --> 00:27:12.579 Because he has moments where he does, like, a better project, 607 00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:14.259 and then you think he's going to go up from there, 608 00:27:14.359 --> 00:27:16.440 and then he dips down and does, like, the monsters, 609 00:27:16.900 --> 00:27:18.539 and then he'll come up and do something better. 610 00:27:18.579 --> 00:27:20.599 Okay, let's get into it. John, give us a spoiler 611 00:27:20.619 --> 00:27:21.140 warning right now. 612 00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:23.019 Spoiler warning. Spoiler warning. 613 00:27:23.420 --> 00:27:26.759 Talking about 31 from 2016 in its entirety. If you 614 00:27:26.779 --> 00:27:28.799 have not seen this movie, pause the podcast, go watch it, 615 00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:30.539 then come back to find out what we thought of it. 616 00:27:30.910 --> 00:27:32.990 Yeah, do it. Hydroberg, do you have a reach around 617 00:27:33.009 --> 00:27:33.569 plot summary? 618 00:27:34.210 --> 00:27:38.890 I do. It's juicy juicy. Hold on a second. 619 00:27:39.390 --> 00:27:40.569 I thought you were picking up a scooter. 620 00:27:40.630 --> 00:27:43.150 I see a spider above my fan. I want to 621 00:27:43.170 --> 00:27:45.019 take this spider and get him out of the house. 622 00:27:45.170 --> 00:27:49.119 Is it spider one? It is one spider. I think 623 00:27:49.180 --> 00:27:51.140 he hears me. 624 00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:51.940 Talking about him because he's moving. 625 00:27:52.779 --> 00:27:55.059 He's got spider two in there. 626 00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:56.019 It's one spider. 627 00:27:57.680 --> 00:27:58.599 Spider one, yeah. 628 00:27:59.200 --> 00:27:59.880 Spider Udo. 629 00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:04.240 He's from the band 5000 Power Man. Where'd he go? 630 00:28:04.299 --> 00:28:05.539 Here you are, buddy. 631 00:28:05.619 --> 00:28:06.680 Oh, he went in the fan. 632 00:28:06.859 --> 00:28:07.329 Son of a. 633 00:28:08.309 --> 00:28:09.230 He's probably not. 634 00:28:09.180 --> 00:28:11.269 Even an E anyway. Leave this in, hell yeah. 635 00:28:11.289 --> 00:28:13.769 It's probably a she. She's probably a lady spider. 636 00:28:14.269 --> 00:28:14.789 Spider! 637 00:28:15.369 --> 00:28:17.450 Alright, you ready? John, stop playing with your Woody. 638 00:28:17.950 --> 00:28:18.990 Oh my god. 639 00:28:19.049 --> 00:28:20.490 Well, look at him. It's on his lap. 640 00:28:20.950 --> 00:28:22.829 I know. He reached over to pick it up and 641 00:28:22.849 --> 00:28:24.609 I got excited because I thought he was picking up 642 00:28:24.650 --> 00:28:26.450 Scooter and then

it wasn't Scooter. 643 00:28:26.730 --> 00:28:29.059 And he just pulled up this creepy doll. You ready, John? 644 00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:30.640 Can you put that thing away when I do my 645 00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:31.059 reach around? 646 00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:31.859 Put your toys away. 647 00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:34.680 No, he wants to hear the mom. 648 00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:36.099 I told you. Okay, fine. 649 00:28:36.140 --> 00:28:37.539 His arms are straight up. 650 00:28:45.130 --> 00:28:48.309 Damn, John, what'd you do to that doll? Buddy, are 651 00:28:48.329 --> 00:28:48.609 you okay? 652 00:28:48.650 --> 00:28:49.690 He didn't do anything to it. 653 00:28:49.710 --> 00:28:52.369 He's making the doll, like, slap somebody. 654 00:28:52.589 --> 00:28:54.430 Buddy, blink twice if you're okay. 655 00:28:56.779 --> 00:28:59.079 All right, all right. I'm calming down. Hydroberg, I'm ready 656 00:28:59.539 --> 00:29:00.920 for the reach around. 657 00:29:01.309 --> 00:29:04.029 Does he blink? Where's the articulation, John? 658 00:29:04.470 --> 00:29:05.490 You're not going to say anything? 659 00:29:06.109 --> 00:29:06.750 I'm ready to go. 660 00:29:07.130 --> 00:29:07.230 Okay. 661 00:29:07.269 --> 00:29:07.970 All right. 662 00:29:08.410 --> 00:29:12.009 The beginning is of understanding. There's a line. The first sign. 663 00:29:12.369 --> 00:29:15.710 Man's wish to die. Door swinging open. Dripping water in 664 00:29:15.730 --> 00:29:19.730 makeshift prison. Black and white division. Old timey tunes play. 665 00:29:20.190 --> 00:29:23.509 Doomhead walks our way. Blood on his face from last sleigh. 666 00:29:24.049 --> 00:29:29.019 Introduction to madness. Doomhead instilling sadness. His painted face almost 667 00:29:29.099 --> 00:29:31.480 floats in the darkness. I am here to end your 668 00:29:31.539 --> 00:29:35.150 miserable fucking life. His cigar the light. His victim asks 669 00:29:35.230 --> 00:29:38.869 about his wife. A pastor who breaks into prayer. Doomhead 670 00:29:38.930 --> 00:29:42.599 causing great scare. Axe buried into his gut. Intestines spill 671 00:29:42.660 --> 00:29:45.440 out tied to a chair. Home movies of a group 672 00:29:45.579 --> 00:29:49.599 of carnies acting loopy. Getting high in a van touring 673 00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:52.990 the open road like rock band. A mix of characters 674 00:29:53.230 --> 00:29:57.329 exchanging joints and laughter. Road trip to disaster. Gas running 675 00:29:57.369 --> 00:30:00.970 low to gas station they go. Rolling in slow. With 676 00:30:01.029 --> 00:30:05.079 Lucky Leo. Charlie has a flirtatious word. While Panda pinches 677 00:30:05.130 --> 00:30:08.460 off a turd. A whole group of free birds. Sucky sucky. 678 00:30:08.740 --> 00:30:12.700 Fucky fucky. Juicy juicy. Then comes the money. The girls 679 00:30:12.740 --> 00:30:16.700 laugh with Venus funny. Outside it bright and sunny. Along 680 00:30:16.740 --> 00:30:20.240 comes a stranger. Not looking like danger. A wild one.

681 00:30:20.299 --> 00:30:23.099 Roscoe wants to tame her. She asks a few questions. 682 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:27.569 While flirting. Roscoe thinking with his pepper. Information he's blurting. 683 00:30:28.049 --> 00:30:30.829 Then she leaves a subtle warning. But the show must 684 00:30:30.869 --> 00:30:35.109 go on. The carnies travel along. Gorilla mask Roscoe puts on. 685 00:30:35.569 --> 00:30:38.869 Come to a sudden stop. Spooky scarecrows in road blocked. 686 00:30:39.150 --> 00:30:42.190 Ambushed by painted killers, two of our group drop. Fat 687 00:30:42.250 --> 00:30:45.950 Randy and Snoopy tossed in the back. Their lives the 688 00:30:45.990 --> 00:30:49.910 cost of pulling over while lost. Transported, gagged, and bound 689 00:30:50.369 --> 00:30:53.190 to a place they shall never be found. They look around. 690 00:30:53.789 --> 00:30:57.559 Aristocrats explain the rules. 12 hours to survive a maze 691 00:30:57.579 --> 00:31:00.539 of death and ghouls. Sickhead the first to duel. A 692 00:31:00.559 --> 00:31:04.079 little Spanish speaking Hitler. This game is twisted and sinister. 693 00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:07.880 The game's beginning, says the Prime Minister. Father murder. Who 694 00:31:07.900 --> 00:31:11.259 this Halloween night will be the sole survivor? Already killed 695 00:31:11.339 --> 00:31:14.400 Snoopy and Fat Randy the driver. Six of them left. 696 00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:18.329 Waking up in separate locations. Sedated out of breath. Each 697 00:31:18.369 --> 00:31:21.410 facing certain death. Brasco and Panda almost kill each other. 698 00:31:21.930 --> 00:31:24.880 Decided to team up and cover. Their backs. A shrine 699 00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:29.039 to the Fuhrer they discover. Paranoia sets in. Hiding in stall. 700 00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:33.319 Her head spins. Sickhead has her pinned in. Each contestant given. 701 00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:37.140 Their own weapon. In comes Levon. Before she can mention. 702 00:31:37.519 --> 00:31:41.250 Sickhead makes an attack. Jumps on and stabs Levon's back. 703 00:31:41.690 --> 00:31:44.529 Charlie gives the little shit a whack. Levon won't make 704 00:31:44.569 --> 00:31:48.109 it out alive. Sickhead kills him with sighs. Charlie escapes 705 00:31:48.150 --> 00:31:51.269 and then cries. Mini Fuhrer comes for her kill. She 706 00:31:51.329 --> 00:31:54.410 found dragged screams with the shrill. A whack to his head. 707 00:31:54.450 --> 00:31:59.180 Blood spills. Venice saving Charlie's life. Levon a sacrifice. Into 708 00:31:59.220 --> 00:32:02.740 sick head. Charlie buries her knife. A feast at a table. 709 00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:05.700 They take a seat. Dig in and eat. Until it's 710 00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:08.920 revealed Levon was the meat. Throw up fast. The sound 711 00:32:08.940 --> 00:32:12.319 of chainsaws blast. They hear next. Clown brothers. Here to 712 00:32:12.339 --> 00:32:16.440 kill and maim. Schizo and psycho head. Their names. Cat 713 00:32:16.509 --> 00:32:19.549

and mouse the game. Roscoe mistrusts the woman tied to 714 00:32:19.569 --> 00:32:22.079 the ground. From the hay they hear a familiar sound. 715 00:32:22.559 --> 00:32:26.230 Chainsaw fight with clowns. The clown's taken out. One pushed 716 00:32:26.309 --> 00:32:29.009 on the saw, his blood spouts. Other head cut off 717 00:32:29.089 --> 00:32:33.029 at the mouth. Aristocrats placing bets. Roscoe hurt and out 718 00:32:33.069 --> 00:32:36.049 of breath. Sex and death are next. Death has come 719 00:32:36.509 --> 00:32:39.359 to sing its quiet song. How long they hide, for 720 00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:42.279 it won't be long. Death strikes once, and then it's gone. 721 00:32:42.779 --> 00:32:46.460 Roscoe nursing arm, carrying crowbar. He doesn't get very far. 722 00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:51.390 Sex penetrates him raw. Panda dies. Hey, Charlie cries. She 723 00:32:51.430 --> 00:32:54.769 holds sex as a prize. Distraction enough to take down death. 724 00:32:55.190 --> 00:32:58.349 Venus kills him. She does her best. Charlie takes the 725 00:32:58.390 --> 00:33:02.130 final breath from sex. Only one possible outcome. Call up 726 00:33:02.150 --> 00:33:05.769 Doomhead to the aristocrat's rescue he runs. Four hours left, 727 00:33:05.809 --> 00:33:09.029 he under the gun. Murder school now in session. Killing 728 00:33:09.049 --> 00:33:12.539 this man's obsession. New round of bets put in. Venus 729 00:33:12.579 --> 00:33:16.359 scared from nightmare. Doomhead kills her up close and stares 730 00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:20.400 into her eyes as he knives. Her body crucified. And 731 00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:24.000 put on display. Roscoe and Charlie in dismay. Doom has 732 00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:26.900 much to say. The grounds now open. A way for 733 00:33:26.940 --> 00:33:31.859 Charlie's escape. Roscoe hoping. Fuckhead disrobing. Killing Roscoe in a 734 00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:34.900 bloody knife fight. Charlie crawls through a tunnel to the site. 735 00:33:35.299 --> 00:33:39.109 Home free daylight. Comes across a bathroom. A carnival model 736 00:33:39.289 --> 00:33:42.710 of our group we assume. Behind her Doom looms. Number 737 00:33:42.769 --> 00:33:47.029 five almost got out alive. Doom snuck up surprise. Charlie strangled. 738 00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:51.059 Told to look into this champion's eyes. Weapons down. Alarm 739 00:33:51.119 --> 00:33:56.240 is sounded. Doom monologue too long. He confounded. Walks away. Dumbfounded. 740 00:33:56.680 --> 00:34:00.039 The aristocrats say their goodbyes. Till next year. This one 741 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:03.460 was a surprise. Having Charlie survive. Back on the open road. 742 00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:07.289 Charlie lands. Walking in the middle. Barely can stand. Behind 743 00:34:07.329 --> 00:34:10.750 her a van. Her doom. It looms. On their faces. 744 00:34:10.789 --> 00:34:14.690 The camera zooms. Fist clenched. Around she spun. Face to face. 745 00:34:14.789 --> 00:34:17.710 Both blood soaked in the hot sun. The end. Of 746 00:34:17.750 --> 00:34:19.269 Rob Zombie's 31. 747 00:34:19.269 --> 00:34:20.849 Yeah. Very nice. 748 00:34:21.030 --> 00:34:21.369 Well done. 749 00:34:21.389 --> 00:34:22.309 That was very good. 750 00:34:22.650 --> 00:34:25.110 Okay, I think there are several problems with this movie, 751 00:34:25.170 --> 00:34:29.329 but for me, here is the fundamental one. I don't 752 00:34:29.409 --> 00:34:38.500 think Rob Zombie is capable of creating relatable, sympathetic protagonists. 753 00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:40.179 I don't mind this group. 754 00:34:40.739 --> 00:34:45.599 I think his movies work best when... the like when 755 00:34:45.780 --> 00:34:49.699 like the psychos and killers are the protagonists and the 756 00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:54.139 like nor this, you know, so-called normies are like more peripheral. 757 00:34:54.610 --> 00:34:57.260 So for example, I think his movies house of a 758 00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:00.889 thousand corpses and devil's rejects both work a lot better 759 00:35:00.929 --> 00:35:04.530 than this one because they focus more on the, on 760 00:35:04.550 --> 00:35:07.730 the killers. And here we're so accustomed to seeing his 761 00:35:07.869 --> 00:35:13.429 usual like cast of characters, including Sherry playing villains, villains, 762 00:35:14.030 --> 00:35:17.989 And here, I find that it's very hard to buy 763 00:35:18.070 --> 00:35:21.530 them as normal people that we're supposed to root for 764 00:35:21.789 --> 00:35:23.949 against a gang of ferocious killers. 765 00:35:24.329 --> 00:35:27.679 Yeah, there is no depth to these characters. I'll say this, 766 00:35:27.739 --> 00:35:33.119 is that Sherry Moon in Lords of Salem was a 767 00:35:33.179 --> 00:35:36.900 more sympathetic character. She had some depth. 768 00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:37.760 You're right. 769 00:35:37.980 --> 00:35:40.400 The movie was solely about her. 770 00:35:40.900 --> 00:35:43.900 That is an exception to my proclamation. You are right. Right. 771 00:35:44.300 --> 00:35:47.079 And it's just like, oh, you're right, Jacqueline, because it's 772 00:35:47.139 --> 00:35:50.980 like Rob doesn't build, you know, your protagonist at all. 773 00:35:51.460 --> 00:35:52.300 I mean, you can. 774 00:35:52.389 --> 00:35:53.690 That's a problem in all his films. 775 00:35:53.710 --> 00:35:57.849 But you don't empathize with these people. It's like the 776 00:35:57.889 --> 00:36:01.510 way he splashes violence. And I'm not against it. I 777 00:36:01.590 --> 00:36:04.670 think it's great, you know, especially when it's done well, 778 00:36:04.730 --> 00:36:08.840 because he did well with. House of a Thousand Corpses, 779 00:36:08.900 --> 00:36:11.619 he did well with Devil's Rejects when it came to 780 00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:15.550 the violence because it just was like hard hitting and 781 00:36:15.849 --> 00:36:17.030 sometimes hard to watch. 782 00:36:17.409 --> 00:36:19.429 I agree with you. And I think that, for example, 783 00:36:19.449

--> 00:36:24.179 the characters of the Firefly family are much more interesting 784 00:36:24.409 --> 00:36:28.260 and memorable than like his normal characters. 785 00:36:28.340 --> 00:36:31.239 We learn more about them than these. These characters in here, 786 00:36:31.300 --> 00:36:33.500 like they're just kind of tropes in a way. I 787 00:36:33.599 --> 00:36:36.260 actually don't mind this group. But I think I like 788 00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:38.659 him better on the second go. And I actually like 789 00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:40.619 Sherry Moon better in this movie than most of the 790 00:36:40.659 --> 00:36:43.809 other films, to be honest. I think she's more subdued 791 00:36:43.889 --> 00:36:46.530 in this and she's more her regular self in a way. 792 00:36:47.090 --> 00:36:50.829 I'm tired of Baby. She's good at Baby and the 793 00:36:50.869 --> 00:36:52.389 first two films are fine, but I'm just tired of 794 00:36:52.429 --> 00:36:54.110 that character. I am too. 795 00:36:54.550 --> 00:36:55.610 I really am. 796 00:36:55.829 --> 00:36:57.530 I think this film shows that a little bit. 797 00:36:58.130 --> 00:37:00.630 He overdid it with three from hell. I mean, it 798 00:37:00.670 --> 00:37:03.829 was just like, like, you know, schizophrenic, whatever. And there 799 00:37:03.869 --> 00:37:05.159 was like no point to it. 800 00:37:06.300 --> 00:37:09.000 I think these characters are sort of, they say stupid 801 00:37:09.019 --> 00:37:11.280 stuff though. Like the dialogue's not the best. And that's 802 00:37:11.300 --> 00:37:14.219 what you want. You want some moments of like actual 803 00:37:14.260 --> 00:37:17.440 camaraderie and like, not, not just ball busting. Like you 804 00:37:17.460 --> 00:37:19.469 want some tender moments and there's not enough of that. 805 00:37:19.750 --> 00:37:20.849 We get some of that later. 806 00:37:21.449 --> 00:37:24.750 Jacqueline and Hydra bird. That's always been my problem with 807 00:37:24.789 --> 00:37:28.530 Rob zombie movies is that he needs a co-writer. He 808 00:37:28.570 --> 00:37:29.750 needs a collaborator. 809 00:37:30.150 --> 00:37:33.530 He needs somebody who likes people to actually write about 810 00:37:33.550 --> 00:37:35.289 the people. You know, the ones that you're supposed to 811 00:37:35.389 --> 00:37:38.230 like in the movie. Because the likable people are the 812 00:37:38.269 --> 00:37:39.710 killers in his films, like you said. 813 00:37:40.130 --> 00:37:44.150 He's really good at writing freaks and weirdos and psychos. 814 00:37:44.389 --> 00:37:48.570 They are interesting. They are memorable. I would argue that 815 00:37:48.610 --> 00:37:52.199 the villains in this movie are way more interesting and 816 00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:55.739 memorable than any of the people that are our protagonists. 817 00:37:56.360 --> 00:38:00.050 Right, but And the villains are hateable. You hate these people. 818 00:38:00.090 --> 00:38:00.989 You don't like them. 819 00:38:01.510 --> 00:38:04.940 They're cartoon characters. They're meant to be, though, I feel like. 820 00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:10.480 They're funhouse characters. They're almost like, it's weird because they're like, yeah, 821 00:38:10.500 --> 00:38:13.900 the villains. The villains are like, they're like carnies you 822 00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:16.019 know like a lot of the way they're played off 823 00:38:16.079 --> 00:38:19.260 in a way they're like theatrical and stuff and our 824 00:38:19.300 --> 00:38:21.500 carnies aren't really even though they're carnies I thought they 825 00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:23.280 were a band for a minute I forgot. 826 00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:24.420 I thought so too there's. 827 00:38:24.300 --> 00:38:26.610 No carnival where's the rest of the carnival where's the 828 00:38:26.639 --> 00:38:30.010 rides where's the stuff that you're transporting it's normally like 829 00:38:30.250 --> 00:38:34.469 a whole fucking caravan of people moving together. 830 00:38:34.110 --> 00:38:37.150 Right yeah it's very unclear and I feel like most 831 00:38:37.190 --> 00:38:40.150 of these characters have very few character traits. 832 00:38:40.409 --> 00:38:41.900 Yeah one likes the fuck. 833 00:38:43.789 --> 00:38:47.650 One likes to smoke weed. They pick up just random 834 00:38:47.730 --> 00:38:50.489 people and just let them join the group. I mean, 835 00:38:50.570 --> 00:38:52.110 that's the thing I got. 836 00:38:52.170 --> 00:38:54.380 Well, they were definitely like Snoopy, maybe. 837 00:38:54.980 --> 00:38:55.260 I don't know. 838 00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:58.300 Well, that's how carnies end up. I feel like the 839 00:38:58.340 --> 00:39:01.239 heavier set chick in the back was just a chick 840 00:39:01.260 --> 00:39:04.260 that maybe they met and so-and-so had like, maybe she 841 00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:06.590 was hitchhiking and he hooked up with her. I don't know. 842 00:39:06.610 --> 00:39:09.070 She didn't sense that she was like the whole part 843 00:39:09.090 --> 00:39:11.010 of the group. Or maybe a new one. Because she 844 00:39:11.030 --> 00:39:12.170 dies early on, too. 845 00:39:12.690 --> 00:39:16.309 She does, yeah. I think Rob actually has a really 846 00:39:16.369 --> 00:39:19.849 good eye for directing. And I think we've brought this 847 00:39:19.929 --> 00:39:23.510 up before. Like some of the slow motion stuff and 848 00:39:23.590 --> 00:39:27.389 the transition into color, into black and white to, you know, 849 00:39:27.409 --> 00:39:31.090 like a reddish type. It's almost like. somebody looking through, 850 00:39:31.550 --> 00:39:33.670 you know, not an x-ray. What am I thinking of? 851 00:39:34.530 --> 00:39:36.889 Laser vision or whatever it's called. 852 00:39:37.610 --> 00:39:37.949 Infrared. 853 00:39:37.969 --> 00:39:42.320 There we go. Thank you. This one, it didn't hit 854 00:39:42.380 --> 00:39:45.179 for me. You know, and a lot of the stock scenes. 855 00:39:45.780 --> 00:39:46.719 Cinematography. 856 00:39:47.739 -->

00:39:48.139 What did you say? 857 00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:48.619 I do too. 858 00:39:49.070 --> 00:39:49.309 I do, too. 859 00:39:49.329 --> 00:39:50.969 I actually like this film's cinematography. 860 00:39:51.110 --> 00:39:51.469 I do, too. 861 00:39:51.489 --> 00:39:53.750 I like... I think it's one of the highlights. Yeah, 862 00:39:53.789 --> 00:39:57.400 the cinematography's fine, but, I mean, like, for me, some 863 00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:00.139 of those stop scenes... Because he does a lot of the, like, 864 00:40:00.179 --> 00:40:02.780 the paws on the face and just stops the movie. 865 00:40:02.980 --> 00:40:04.000 That's, like... I like that. 866 00:40:04.019 --> 00:40:04.619 It's good, but. 867 00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:05.849 Those stylistic choices. 868 00:40:05.869 --> 00:40:06.130 But in. 869 00:40:07.309 --> 00:40:09.710 In this, it didn't hit for me. It just felt like, 870 00:40:09.730 --> 00:40:11.349 it felt forced. 871 00:40:10.989 --> 00:40:11.369 A little bit. 872 00:40:11.389 --> 00:40:13.630 I think the acting, the acting in this is like, 873 00:40:14.090 --> 00:40:16.929 there's moments of goodness, actually, that I don't hate. But 874 00:40:16.969 --> 00:40:19.019 it's like the dialogue, there's not much you can, you 875 00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:21.780 can't act really well to bad dialogue. It's very hard 876 00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:24.780 to do that. You can try, but you need something. 877 00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:27.920 That's the biggest problem I have with him as a director, 878 00:40:28.380 --> 00:40:30.360 is that he wants to do all this shit by himself. 879 00:40:30.380 --> 00:40:32.820 Yeah, it's too much. There's so many cuss words in 880 00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:35.039 this movie. It's just insane the amount of cunts and fucks. 881 00:40:35.059 --> 00:40:39.480 It's dumb. Like, it's just stupid. It's just stupid. Because 882 00:40:39.500 --> 00:40:41.559 there's moments of, like, good dialogue there, and now you're 883 00:40:41.679 --> 00:40:43.920 cutting it out. You're diluting it with, like, just... I 884 00:40:43.940 --> 00:40:44.980 don't know. 885 00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:48.389 No, I hear you. Well, and, Hydra, I want to 886 00:40:48.429 --> 00:40:49.949 go back to something you said a minute ago. You 887 00:40:49.969 --> 00:40:51.929 were like, well, I like these people. I'm tired of 888 00:40:51.949 --> 00:40:54.210 the baby character. I like Sherry Moon Zombie in this. 889 00:40:54.230 --> 00:40:57.409 This was a taste at normal characters, at least. He tried. 890 00:40:57.869 --> 00:41:02.590 But my issue with that, though, is we are accustomed 891 00:41:02.630 --> 00:41:06.559 to seeing Sherry Moon Zombie as that baby... character right 892 00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:09.480 when we have when we're in a situation with like 893 00:41:09.739 --> 00:41:13.019 killers versus normal people and there's like a kind of 894 00:41:13.079 --> 00:41:15.519 stalk and slash kind of thing going on and people 895 00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:18.199 are getting picked off like in that scenario we're used 896 00:41:18.260 --> 00:41:21.019 to sherry moon zombie being on the other side of 897 00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:23.159 the table you know what i mean now i feel 898 00:41:23.179 --> 00:41:25.110 like lords of salem is an exception to this because 899 00:41:25.119 --> 00:41:27.730 that wasn't the same kind of movie that wasn't like 900 00:41:27.750 --> 00:41:30.050 a stalk and slash it wasn't like a gang maniacs 901 00:41:30.090 --> 00:41:31.500 it was a little different But. 902 00:41:31.469 --> 00:41:34.179 She had such a good story in that movie. Like 903 00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:35.860 her backstory was really good. 904 00:41:35.940 --> 00:41:38.019 She's not the main character in this, even though she's 905 00:41:38.059 --> 00:41:39.539 the final girl. That's why. 906 00:41:39.780 --> 00:41:42.559 Well, she's one of the main characters, you know, she's. 907 00:41:42.380 --> 00:41:44.159 Part of a group, but I feel like they're all 908 00:41:44.179 --> 00:41:45.920 focused on a decent. 909 00:41:45.579 --> 00:41:48.960 Bit, but I just feel like it's, I don't know 910 00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:52.000 if I find it tough to take her as like 911 00:41:52.500 --> 00:41:55.019 a final girl type after we've seen her as the 912 00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:58.119 killer so many times. And there's also a weird thing. 913 00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:00.199 Is that on the film though? Or is that on you? 914 00:42:00.699 --> 00:42:02.519 You know what I mean? Like, how does that, is it. 915 00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:04.000 The film's fault? 916 00:42:04.019 --> 00:42:05.860 I mean, she's cast in all his fucking films. So 917 00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:07.619 that's just something you got to get used to. 918 00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:11.000 But even though, like, even though he's trying to, well, 919 00:42:11.280 --> 00:42:13.599 I don't know the answer to that. That's a good question. But, 920 00:42:14.059 --> 00:42:15.880 but I also think there's something he does that's like, 921 00:42:16.019 --> 00:42:19.530 if you want to have these characters be like good, 922 00:42:19.659 --> 00:42:24.449 normal people and stand in opposition to these psychotic killers, 923 00:42:24.949 --> 00:42:27.329 like you probably want to have a pretty good amount 924 00:42:27.349 --> 00:42:29.809 of contrast and you want these people to seem normal 925 00:42:29.829 --> 00:42:34.559 and But I even see touches of, like, Firefly creeping 926 00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:37.420 into Sherry Moon's character and some of the other characters. Like, 927 00:42:37.699 --> 00:42:39.619 when they get out of the van to get gas 928 00:42:39.719 --> 00:42:42.699 and she, like, grabs the old man's dick and she's like, 929 00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:44.300 you know. 930 00:42:44.440 --> 00:42:46.619 Does her little ass thing and shows off. Yeah. 931 00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:50.929 It's like, just, if you're gonna, like, switch sides, so 932 00:42:50.969 -->

00:42:55.409 to speak, like, fucking leave all the baby Firefly shit behind, 933 00:42:55.489 --> 00:42:57.650 you know? Like, make a new character. Like, it's like 934 00:42:57.690 --> 00:43:01.019 he can't resist dirtying things up. even when they're. 935 00:43:01.019 --> 00:43:03.900 Supposed to be good. That's the same thing with his dialogue. 936 00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:05.940 You know, he has a good moment. That's like a 937 00:43:06.019 --> 00:43:08.199 good monologue. And then he's got to ruin it with 938 00:43:08.219 --> 00:43:10.340 like a lot of foul language somehow for some, like, 939 00:43:10.380 --> 00:43:12.699 it doesn't toughen it up for me. It doesn't make 940 00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:13.769 it like sound grittier. 941 00:43:14.030 --> 00:43:17.429 Beyond that, it's like, not everybody talks that way. I 942 00:43:17.570 --> 00:43:19.369 don't have a problem with, I don't have a problem 943 00:43:19.389 --> 00:43:22.889 with profanity. Like some people cuss a lot. And if 944 00:43:22.949 --> 00:43:25.639 you're making a movie about a gang of killers, like, sure, 945 00:43:25.699 --> 00:43:28.539 it makes sense for them to cuss a lot. But this, like, 946 00:43:29.510 --> 00:43:33.750 In this scenario, I just feel like it's not believable 947 00:43:33.769 --> 00:43:37.289 that everybody's going to talk that way. It's distracting. 948 00:43:37.309 --> 00:43:41.829 I just had a thought. In that scene, when she 949 00:43:41.849 --> 00:43:44.110 does grab his dick, she goes up to a puppet 950 00:43:44.170 --> 00:43:45.769 show thing on the wall, right? And she's like, oh, 951 00:43:45.809 --> 00:43:48.130 a puppet show. You think that's one of the other 952 00:43:48.329 --> 00:43:52.219 31s that happened? Because they made a puppet thing. Later on, 953 00:43:52.260 --> 00:43:54.039 it ends with a puppet thing, right? And it looks 954 00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:56.480 like it's carnivals. It's supposed to be her group. In 955 00:43:56.510 --> 00:44:00.590 case you didn't get it, they are puppets. Yeah, we 956 00:44:00.610 --> 00:44:02.969 planned this as well. 957 00:44:03.329 --> 00:44:07.489 Even watching it three times like Jacqueline, it's so convoluted 958 00:44:07.510 --> 00:44:08.829 that you don't realize that. 959 00:44:09.360 --> 00:44:12.820 I would argue that it's the opposite of convoluted. I 960 00:44:12.860 --> 00:44:14.989 would argue that it's overly simplistic. 961 00:44:15.650 --> 00:44:20.329 It's disjointed and inconsistent in parts, in the story and 962 00:44:20.349 --> 00:44:20.630 the plot. 963 00:44:20.650 --> 00:44:23.170 But I don't think it's a confusing storyline. I think 964 00:44:23.190 --> 00:44:24.489 there almost isn't a storyline. 965 00:44:24.510 --> 00:44:26.260 There's some time jumps that don't make sense. 966 00:44:26.619 --> 00:44:29.260 I feel like the movie is basically just a stalk 967 00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:31.420 and slash extravaganza. 968 00:44:31.460 --> 00:44:34.800 Levon dies in their arms, and then five minutes later 969 00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:37.690 they're eating him. How did they cook him And get 970 00:44:37.730 --> 00:44:41.090 him into another room. You didn't show me any progression. 971 00:44:41.170 --> 00:44:43.190 You just showed me those people leave the room. And 972 00:44:43.250 --> 00:44:46.210 now they're in another room. In a place that's crowded. 973 00:44:46.949 --> 00:44:50.449 Shrouded in the fucking darkness and fog. 974 00:44:51.190 --> 00:44:52.010 You're right. 975 00:44:52.090 --> 00:44:52.929 It's a cool setting though. 976 00:44:53.230 --> 00:44:55.750 It's just like Sherry Moon gets up there. And I'm 977 00:44:55.789 --> 00:44:59.070 sure she's starving. And I get it. She's a vegan 978 00:44:59.199 --> 00:45:03.460 in real life. But wouldn't she? A vegan? 979 00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:07.250 I completely thought you said. I completely thought you said 980 00:45:07.409 --> 00:45:09.510 she's a biggin' in real life. 981 00:45:09.650 --> 00:45:13.530 No, she's a vegan. Her and Rob are vegans. 982 00:45:13.730 --> 00:45:14.570 I'm reading the biggins. 983 00:45:14.969 --> 00:45:17.400 They're in New York. They actually have a farm where they, 984 00:45:17.820 --> 00:45:20.880 you know, free-range animals, but they don't kill them because 985 00:45:20.900 --> 00:45:21.559 they're vegan. 986 00:45:21.579 --> 00:45:24.380 Yeah, that's awesome. Okay, I'm glad you cleared that up 987 00:45:24.420 --> 00:45:27.789 for me. I was a little confused. Your beauty standards 988 00:45:27.849 --> 00:45:28.989 are really out of whack, Sean. 989 00:45:29.349 --> 00:45:31.130 Wait, you said they have a farm in New York? 990 00:45:31.630 --> 00:45:32.110 I think so. 991 00:45:32.130 --> 00:45:35.130 You could go visit. I'll be right back, he says. 992 00:45:36.769 --> 00:45:40.110 Go say hi. Go get the... Do you want to 993 00:45:40.130 --> 00:45:42.300 watch this with me? Hey, can I get a copy 994 00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:43.360 of I Love My Robot? 995 00:45:43.820 --> 00:45:46.360 That's a dumb bot. Can you sign my sex toy? 996 00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:52.239 My Hydra sex toy? I Love My Robot? But actually, 997 00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:55.599 I don't know. There's moments of... I said it's a cinematography. 998 00:45:55.639 --> 00:45:57.400 I think he does good camera work in this one. 999 00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:00.780 And he feels refrained a little bit where he's not 1000 00:46:01.019 --> 00:46:03.159 doing it too much. He does these moments of like, 1001 00:46:03.639 --> 00:46:06.340 He pans up above things and he builds a little 1002 00:46:06.400 --> 00:46:09.000 tension with the camera, which I was impressed by actually 1003 00:46:09.019 --> 00:46:11.199 this time. I think the first time I watched this movie, 1004 00:46:11.219 --> 00:46:13.460 I just took it as like, look, this movie's got 1005 00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:15.099 a lot of flaws, but I don't know. I saw 1006 00:46:15.119 --> 00:46:16.699 a lot more quality to it this

time than I 1007 00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:18.800 did last time. And I'm just sort of like, man, 1008 00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:20.369 if you just dialed in a little bit here and 1009 00:46:20.389 --> 00:46:22.269 there on a couple of things. 1010 00:46:22.429 --> 00:46:24.750 What it looked like is he had his iPhone for 1011 00:46:24.789 --> 00:46:27.750 those things and just spliced them into the movie. That's 1012 00:46:27.769 --> 00:46:28.820 what it looked like to me. 1013 00:46:28.829 --> 00:46:31.789 No, you're misinterpreting what I'm talking about. You're talking about 1014 00:46:31.809 --> 00:46:32.469 those home movies? 1015 00:46:33.010 --> 00:46:35.610 No, I'm talking about the transitions. 1016 00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:39.599 There's a moment in the men's room where he's panning 1017 00:46:39.739 --> 00:46:42.460 over the men's room and we're playing this cool environment. 1018 00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:44.719 Building up slowly to the last stall. Well, that's what 1019 00:46:44.739 --> 00:46:45.199 I'm talking about. 1020 00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:48.960 I'm also talking about the other ones where it's just 1021 00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:51.639 like a pause scene or it's like a flashback scene 1022 00:46:52.059 --> 00:46:56.570 where it is like an infrared camera. And it's just like, okay, 1023 00:46:56.670 --> 00:46:57.170 I didn't get that. 1024 00:46:57.190 --> 00:46:59.369 I don't know what scenes you're talking about. What infrared? 1025 00:46:59.909 --> 00:47:01.570 Do you mean? 1026 00:47:01.869 --> 00:47:04.949 Like when it's like a red tint to the, to 1027 00:47:04.989 --> 00:47:09.110 the shot and Meg Foster is like splayed out, hung up. 1028 00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:09.800 Yeah. 1029 00:47:10.260 --> 00:47:11.880 Oh, you mean when they show up in the room 1030 00:47:11.960 --> 00:47:15.050 with the, with all the carnival shit, and when they 1031 00:47:15.070 --> 00:47:17.769 had the chainsaw fight, that whole place was drenched in red. 1032 00:47:18.630 --> 00:47:21.320 It was like lighting. Just the lighting of the room. 1033 00:47:22.019 --> 00:47:24.739 Can I say I really enjoyed the character of Roscoe? 1034 00:47:25.940 --> 00:47:30.260 It felt like Nordberg from Naked Gun. He kept getting 1035 00:47:30.300 --> 00:47:30.840 fucked up. 1036 00:47:31.679 --> 00:47:33.900 I liked him better in that actor than I liked 1037 00:47:33.940 --> 00:47:35.539 him in Three from Hell. 1038 00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:36.510 Yeah, me too. 1039 00:47:36.820 --> 00:47:38.889 He was much better. I actually liked his character a 1040 00:47:38.909 --> 00:47:41.179 decent bit, even though he's not like the you know, 1041 00:47:41.300 --> 00:47:43.900 most likable guy all the time. I thought he felt 1042 00:47:43.940 --> 00:47:45.960 like he was trying in his role. And there was 1043 00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:48.320 that moment of like, where he was consoling, what's her 1044 00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:51.369 name's character? Um, what's that actress's name? 1045 00:47:51.789 --> 00:47:54.489 Meg Foster. Yeah. Yeah. 1046 00:47:54.550 --> 00:47:57.150 Man, I grew up with her. Yeah. And she, it's 1047 00:47:57.190 --> 00:47:59.110 great to see her. And like, there's that moment where 1048 00:47:59.130 --> 00:48:01.489 she has that nightmare and he's sort of just like, 1049 00:48:01.789 --> 00:48:03.639 you know, he's all fucked up, but he's still trying 1050 00:48:03.659 --> 00:48:06.150 to like, you know, I don't know. There's these little 1051 00:48:06.210 --> 00:48:08.050 moments with the group where like, if there was more 1052 00:48:08.070 --> 00:48:11.030 of this earlier on and it would have connected them 1053 00:48:11.110 --> 00:48:12.750 and I would have felt a little bit more scared 1054 00:48:12.769 --> 00:48:14.969 for them. Cause there's moments here in the script where 1055 00:48:14.989 --> 00:48:17.809 I think like the premise of the movie is not awful, 1056 00:48:17.969 --> 00:48:21.800 but the execution is disjointed. And like, so like having 1057 00:48:21.820 --> 00:48:25.139 this place where they hunt you down and you have 1058 00:48:25.139 --> 00:48:27.780 12 hours to live, that's fine. That's cool. And having 1059 00:48:27.820 --> 00:48:29.980 it be like these circus freak type people that come 1060 00:48:30.059 --> 00:48:33.219 after you with these different trophy sort of, uh, Running 1061 00:48:33.260 --> 00:48:36.989 man-esque kind of killers. That's fine, too. But then, like, 1062 00:48:37.050 --> 00:48:39.769 the aristocrats up top, that doesn't connect with me. I 1063 00:48:39.809 --> 00:48:43.489 don't understand that. And then your regular carny people, why 1064 00:48:43.530 --> 00:48:45.639 are they carnies when we're not even seeing that side 1065 00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:48.239 of them? And that never came into play, like, during 1066 00:48:48.260 --> 00:48:51.500 their survival. Like... Show me them turning into carnies then 1067 00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:52.860 being like, Oh, well, you know what? You can't fuck 1068 00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:55.280 with us. Cause we were carnies. Like we, we know 1069 00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:56.440 this world too. Like we know. 1070 00:48:56.500 --> 00:48:58.460 Yeah. You gotta have somebody who's like a knife thrower. 1071 00:48:58.579 --> 00:49:01.539 Yeah. Something there. Like show me why they fight back, 1072 00:49:01.579 --> 00:49:04.079 why they're able, capable, or just, you could have built 1073 00:49:04.159 --> 00:49:06.519 on that. And that would have been fun and interesting. 1074 00:49:07.019 --> 00:49:09.989 Right. And it is like randos just being pulled off 1075 00:49:10.010 --> 00:49:11.769 the street and then they'll survive. 1076 00:49:12.210 --> 00:49:14.510 But you fucked with the wrong randos here. And that's 1077 00:49:14.530 --> 00:49:17.489 the point, right? Like, uh, but we don't really get that. 1078 00:49:17.909 --> 00:49:19.869 Well, and that brings me to another complaint that I have. 1079 00:49:20.440 --> 00:49:23.139

which is Sherry Moon Zombie is the final girl. Her 1080 00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:24.719 character's name is Charlie. 1081 00:49:24.739 --> 00:49:25.440 I think she dies. 1082 00:49:25.980 --> 00:49:28.300 I don't know. I don't even know if I care 1083 00:49:28.340 --> 00:49:30.710 about that ambiguous ending. I just don't even care. 1084 00:49:30.750 --> 00:49:32.389 You should have ended it with the van just pulling 1085 00:49:32.469 --> 00:49:34.530 up on her, and that was fine. Yeah, yeah. 1086 00:49:34.949 --> 00:49:38.469 But the fact that she is the last one to survive... 1087 00:49:38.550 --> 00:49:41.329 I do not like that because I do not feel 1088 00:49:41.849 --> 00:49:48.940 that she did anything particularly clever or strong or, you know, 1089 00:49:49.280 --> 00:49:50.360 brave or anything. 1090 00:49:50.380 --> 00:49:54.099 She found the body in the table. She killed sex. 1091 00:49:54.219 --> 00:49:58.239 She didn't do anything that would really help her survive 1092 00:49:58.300 --> 00:50:00.019 all this bullshit and be the final girl. 1093 00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:01.980 She killed sex and took that final stand of like, 1094 00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:04.610 we're just killing these motherfuckers now. I don't know. When 1095 00:50:04.739 --> 00:50:06.849 Foster's character is a little bit more like, I don't 1096 00:50:06.889 --> 00:50:08.599 want to kill... Do you know who that was, by 1097 00:50:08.639 --> 00:50:12.619 the way? Who played Sex? Of course. Yeah, who's Dottie? 1098 00:50:12.780 --> 00:50:14.719 I'm a loner, Dottie. 1099 00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:17.219 I couldn't believe that. I was like, little Dottie. 1100 00:50:17.389 --> 00:50:18.690 That's also Tommy Pickles. 1101 00:50:19.309 --> 00:50:21.190 What is Tommy Pickles? 1102 00:50:21.710 --> 00:50:23.269 He's from Rugrats. 1103 00:50:23.409 --> 00:50:27.690 Oh, sorry. I don't have kids. 1104 00:50:28.150 --> 00:50:32.170 That was after his time. It's not about kids. He 1105 00:50:32.210 --> 00:50:33.590 really doesn't know what Rugrats is. 1106 00:50:33.989 --> 00:50:34.409 I guess not. 1107 00:50:39.150 --> 00:50:41.369 Anyway, that's the voice of Tommy. We covered a movie, 1108 00:50:41.570 --> 00:50:43.780 one of his movies, not too long ago. Raptar. 1109 00:50:47.699 --> 00:50:50.099 That was Dottie? I know Dottie. 1110 00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:52.920 Anyway, I just feel like when you have somebody who 1111 00:50:52.980 --> 00:50:56.429 has outlasted a gang of killers and has outlasted all 1112 00:50:56.449 --> 00:50:59.789 of her friends, I feel like that person should somehow 1113 00:50:59.849 --> 00:51:03.119 be more resourceful than everybody else. a person should do 1114 00:51:03.179 --> 00:51:06.179 something really ballsy. So it takes some kind of huge 1115 00:51:06.380 --> 00:51:09.769 risk that could totally fail, but happens to pay off. 1116 00:51:09.809 --> 00:51:13.349 Like the person has to be clever or strong or 1117 00:51:13.449 --> 00:51:16.949 do something to get them through this ordeal. And I 1118 00:51:17.110 --> 00:51:20.309 feel like for the character of Charlie, it's just a 1119 00:51:20.349 --> 00:51:23.710 bunch of like run out the clock and a couple 1120 00:51:23.730 --> 00:51:26.269 of moments of luck. I don't feel like she does 1121 00:51:26.329 --> 00:51:27.210 anything particularly. 1122 00:51:27.230 --> 00:51:29.909 It was like a little, it was like a, it 1123 00:51:29.949 --> 00:51:31.059 was like monologuing. 1124 00:51:31.929 --> 00:51:35.670 Her friends do more to save her than themselves. 1125 00:51:35.829 --> 00:51:36.650 I agree with that. 1126 00:51:37.210 --> 00:51:38.929 He breaks the rules too at the end because she's 1127 00:51:38.949 --> 00:51:42.150 supposed to be left free, I think. Or I also 1128 00:51:42.190 --> 00:51:43.949 got the idea like maybe they were going to capture 1129 00:51:43.969 --> 00:51:46.429 her and turn her into a killer now that she survived. 1130 00:51:46.730 --> 00:51:49.590 Well, and I find it unbelievable that they don't have 1131 00:51:49.630 --> 00:51:52.110 a contingency plan. Like, really? You haven't thought about what 1132 00:51:52.139 --> 00:51:53.239 to do if somebody survives? 1133 00:51:53.280 --> 00:51:54.480 It's like, oh, well, we're going to leave. 1134 00:51:54.820 --> 00:51:56.699 You've been doing this for 28 years and you don't 1135 00:51:56.739 --> 00:51:58.559 know what to do in case somebody survives? 1136 00:51:58.639 --> 00:51:59.320 They're Satanists, right? 1137 00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:00.599 I guess we're. 1138 00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:02.539 Supposed to think that. I took it as like they 1139 00:52:02.559 --> 00:52:03.840 were like witches, like. 1140 00:52:04.219 --> 00:52:07.460 The women were witches, he's a warlock. 1141 00:52:07.500 --> 00:52:10.280 Also, the Halloween thing, 31, there's no Halloween anything in 1142 00:52:10.309 --> 00:52:10.710 this movie. 1143 00:52:10.889 --> 00:52:12.510 No, nothing, zero. 1144 00:52:12.590 --> 00:52:15.070 In anything they drive by, there's no pumpkins anywhere, there's 1145 00:52:15.110 --> 00:52:16.329 no leaves, there's no fucking. 1146 00:52:17.190 --> 00:52:19.170 They literally just tell us in a title. 1147 00:52:18.909 --> 00:52:20.389 Card, October 31st, 1996. 1148 00:52:20.389 --> 00:52:21.969 What is the point of it? 1149 00:52:22.010 --> 00:52:24.150 There's no hayride, whatever. 1150 00:52:24.429 --> 00:52:28.369 There's not even like a thing at the weird fucking... 1151 00:52:28.789 --> 00:52:31.889 gas station lucky leo it's like there's nothing festive there 1152 00:52:31.929 --> 00:52:34.050 nothing no kids no nothing. 1153 00:52:34.230 --> 00:52:37.010 Did those clowns at the beginning did they look like 1154 00:52:37.449 --> 00:52:42.440 um captain spaulding and and um otis like that's it 1155 00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:44.079 they're they're paint. 1156 00:52:44.139 --> 00:52:46.360 They're supposed to they look like they have his face 1157

00:52:46.420 --> 00:52:48.699 draped over yeah they those characters are right. 1158 00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:54.519 Um are you talking about psycho and schizo yes which 1159 00:52:54.599 --> 00:52:57.719 is just redundant Those were my least favorite of the killers. 1160 00:52:58.039 --> 00:52:59.139 I hated those guys. 1161 00:52:59.699 --> 00:53:03.280 No, I can't say that I didn't like the chainsaw 1162 00:53:03.860 --> 00:53:05.320 falling on the chainsaw. 1163 00:53:05.670 --> 00:53:08.710 Yeah, that was fun. And her, like, pushing him into it. Yeah. 1164 00:53:09.130 --> 00:53:10.289 It's something I haven't seen before. 1165 00:53:10.789 --> 00:53:14.510 Yeah. No, I mean, anything Rob Zombie puts out is 1166 00:53:14.550 --> 00:53:15.570 something I've seen before. 1167 00:53:15.590 --> 00:53:16.800 That's what I'm saying. 1168 00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:20.469 Yeah, you already did. But, well, I guess Mandy came after. 1169 00:53:20.489 --> 00:53:23.610 It's weird that your criticisms for Rob Zombie's this film 1170 00:53:23.789 --> 00:53:25.389 are some of the same ones I have for his 1171 00:53:25.449 --> 00:53:27.889 other films. 1172 00:53:28.090 --> 00:53:30.750 I find his other, like, the films of his I 1173 00:53:30.789 --> 00:53:35.530 like the best are Corpses, Rejects, and Salem. 1174 00:53:36.449 --> 00:53:37.510 So, in that order? 1175 00:53:37.550 --> 00:53:39.909 He's a talented man, but he feels like wasted talent 1176 00:53:39.989 --> 00:53:41.610 in a way. But I hate to say that because 1177 00:53:41.670 --> 00:53:42.909 he makes movies and they're hard to do. 1178 00:53:43.449 --> 00:53:47.360 Mine would actually be, wow, I can't believe I'm saying this, 1179 00:53:47.409 --> 00:53:51.210 Devil's Rejects. lords of salem and then house of a 1180 00:53:51.210 --> 00:53:55.199 thousand corpses like i said i've lightened up on those 1181 00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:56.480 so i mean yeah. 1182 00:53:56.460 --> 00:53:58.260 Because you've watched a way worse ones now you're like 1183 00:53:58.340 --> 00:53:59.820 oh maybe those other ones weren't as bad. 1184 00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:05.750 As no but like rob has this eye for directing he. 1185 00:54:05.730 --> 00:54:08.389 Does i agree with that he has a strong. 1186 00:54:07.969 --> 00:54:09.889 I think he showcases a good bit of that in 1187 00:54:09.929 --> 00:54:10.889 this section. 1188 00:54:10.690 --> 00:54:12.769 I i agree with that i think there's a lot 1189 00:54:12.809 --> 00:54:16.099 of great style choices A lot of great cinematography. I 1190 00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:19.679 like those wipes between shots, like those transitions between shots. 1191 00:54:20.460 --> 00:54:23.039 And that's fair, guys. But I thought it was done 1192 00:54:23.059 --> 00:54:26.280 a little more sloppy in this one. I thought his 1193 00:54:26.300 --> 00:54:27.179 other movies did it better. 1194 00:54:27.239 --> 00:54:28.940 More sloppy than the movies you like? 1195 00:54:29.179 --> 00:54:30.219 His other films, though. 1196 00:54:30.260 --> 00:54:34.949 Yeah, probably. Yeah, it's definitely a preference because I do 1197 00:54:35.050 --> 00:54:40.510 like those things in Devil's Rejects. I really do. 1198 00:54:40.590 --> 00:54:42.570 Like, I like the whole movie aspect that he gives 1199 00:54:42.630 --> 00:54:44.739 us in the beginning, because he's not really giving us 1200 00:54:44.800 --> 00:54:46.719 a lot with the characters. So the whole movie aspect, 1201 00:54:46.820 --> 00:54:47.900 even though it's just a filter. 1202 00:54:48.039 --> 00:54:48.440 It's cool. 1203 00:54:48.739 --> 00:54:48.880 Yeah. 1204 00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:51.239 It gives me, it shows me a little history, and 1205 00:54:51.260 --> 00:54:52.690 it shows me that, like, they are a group a 1206 00:54:52.710 --> 00:54:54.429 little bit, even though it's just, like, them dancing to 1207 00:54:54.469 --> 00:54:56.090 music and stuff. And I like that they tie this 1208 00:54:56.170 --> 00:54:56.590 at the end. 1209 00:54:57.340 --> 00:55:01.059 It's just them having fun. Jacqueline's right. It's just them 1210 00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:01.510 having fun. 1211 00:55:01.519 --> 00:55:03.440 Well, it shows me that they're a group and they 1212 00:55:03.500 --> 00:55:06.079 have fun together. So at least, I mean, there's nothing 1213 00:55:06.139 --> 00:55:08.360 else to go with. You know what I mean? 1214 00:55:08.610 --> 00:55:10.800 But also bring something that you brought up, Heiderberg. 1215 00:55:10.889 --> 00:55:12.730 I get the aesthetic that he's going for is what 1216 00:55:12.750 --> 00:55:13.050 I'm saying. 1217 00:55:13.110 --> 00:55:17.409 You get zero reference that they are carnies or that 1218 00:55:17.429 --> 00:55:18.949 they're going to the next carnival. 1219 00:55:19.070 --> 00:55:20.769 I had to look it up because I wrote down 1220 00:55:20.789 --> 00:55:21.869 they were a band at first. 1221 00:55:22.449 --> 00:55:24.230 I totally thought they were a band too. I thought 1222 00:55:24.250 --> 00:55:26.510 it was like the group of folk singers or whatever 1223 00:55:26.590 --> 00:55:28.809 and devil's rejects that go to the motel. 1224 00:55:29.130 --> 00:55:31.130 Oh, that's right. Yeah. 1225 00:55:31.210 --> 00:55:32.150 I thought they were like that. 1226 00:55:33.530 --> 00:55:37.530 Yeah. I also like Doomhead's like intro. I found it, 1227 00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:40.179 but it's, it's kind of expository at the same time. 1228 00:55:40.340 --> 00:55:41.719 Like it's like, I think it's good. 1229 00:55:42.300 --> 00:55:44.449 I think it's fine. The first time you watch it, 1230 00:55:44.500 --> 00:55:46.579 you go like, Whoa, that's deep. 1231 00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:47.960 It's shot really cool. 1232 00:55:47.980 --> 00:55:50.230 And he's got it. It's really cool because you've got 1233 00:55:50.250 --> 00:55:53.469 the water going around and he's got his shirt off. 1234 00:55:54.110 --> 00:55:56.530 You can't tell if it's blood, but you know

it's blood. 1235 00:55:56.550 --> 00:55:59.420 His work with settings and sound I thought was better 1236 00:55:59.460 --> 00:55:59.900 in this film. 1237 00:56:00.380 --> 00:56:04.239 I gotta say, I think Richard Brake is probably the 1238 00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:05.280 best part of this movie. 1239 00:56:06.019 --> 00:56:06.860 Oh god, I disagree. 1240 00:56:06.900 --> 00:56:09.400 And also the cringiest at times. That scene where he's 1241 00:56:09.420 --> 00:56:10.960 just fucking that lady is just like. 1242 00:56:11.980 --> 00:56:13.269 I think that's what. 1243 00:56:13.139 --> 00:56:13.889 Took me out of it. 1244 00:56:13.889 --> 00:56:18.510 His language is just so... No, but the whole like... Like, yeah, 1245 00:56:18.590 --> 00:56:20.960 that's how I actually, yeah, that's how I reviewed it. 1246 00:56:21.889 --> 00:56:23.449 But no, I agree. 1247 00:56:23.469 --> 00:56:26.150 I agree. Cringy. But I feel like that, I don't 1248 00:56:26.170 --> 00:56:28.809 know if that was an acting choice or a directing choice. 1249 00:56:28.849 --> 00:56:31.880 Like stick your fingers in your dripping. Come on, bro. 1250 00:56:31.889 --> 00:56:35.090 Like no, no, I've been around manly guys. They don't 1251 00:56:35.139 --> 00:56:36.239 talk like that as much. 1252 00:56:36.340 --> 00:56:38.539 He also gave himself away as being British there because 1253 00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:39.280 he said flat. 1254 00:56:39.800 --> 00:56:42.679 Yeah, he did. He really did. 1255 00:56:42.719 --> 00:56:45.219 Well, maybe he's not supposed to be like either or here. 1256 00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:47.440 He's just a killer who just, I don't know, follows 1257 00:56:47.460 --> 00:56:50.179 the mind. What is he playing on? Just hookers? 1258 00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:51.679 Yeah, apparently. 1259 00:56:51.739 --> 00:56:53.139 His house looks atrocious. 1260 00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:56.760 That's like a hotel. His house looks atrocious. 1261 00:56:56.840 --> 00:56:58.659 He has like no possessions. 1262 00:56:58.780 --> 00:57:01.489 He murders people for a living and you're complaining about his. 1263 00:57:01.510 --> 00:57:05.849 And then lives off the money. I didn't plan on living... 1264 00:57:05.670 --> 00:57:08.530 We've watched Fresh. You can murder people and have a 1265 00:57:08.590 --> 00:57:10.989 nice abode in Fresh and Feng Shui. 1266 00:57:11.590 --> 00:57:13.530 Oh my god. He needs Martha Stewart. 1267 00:57:14.050 --> 00:57:16.110 It's just that every character, like you said, in these 1268 00:57:16.170 --> 00:57:19.659 movies are all the same type of character all the time. Like, 1269 00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:25.119 we get it. You like these Southern sort of bumpkin, weird, like, people, carnies. 1270 00:57:25.500 --> 00:57:27.460 But you got to go outside of that a little bit. 1271 00:57:27.619 --> 00:57:30.880 You can't have every character from that. Have an outsider. 1272 00:57:31.400 --> 00:57:33.900 He did that with Lords of Salem with Shuri Moon 1273 00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:37.400 Zombie's character. That, you know, she's a drug abuser. 1274 00:57:39.849 --> 00:57:40.070 Right? 1275 00:57:40.230 --> 00:57:41.690 Or an alcoholic or whatever it was. 1276 00:57:41.710 --> 00:57:42.829 An alcoholic, yeah, I think. 1277 00:57:42.869 --> 00:57:44.909 Yeah, but she was still surrounded by some of those 1278 00:57:44.949 --> 00:57:46.369 types of characters, I felt like. 1279 00:57:46.429 --> 00:57:49.659 Not really, because I thought... It's been a while since 1280 00:57:49.739 --> 00:57:50.159 I saw it. 1281 00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:51.199 It's been a while. 1282 00:57:51.860 --> 00:57:57.039 It's been a while. Jeff Daniel Phillips, I actually really 1283 00:57:57.099 --> 00:57:59.880 disliked his character in that. I liked his character in 1284 00:57:59.920 --> 00:58:00.960 this as Roscoe. 1285 00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:02.780 It was just a... Roscoe Pepper. 1286 00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:05.059 Great name, actually. 1287 00:58:05.079 --> 00:58:08.489 Pete Coltrane. The P, Pepper, Roscoe P. 1288 00:58:08.510 --> 00:58:08.949 Coltrane. 1289 00:58:09.420 --> 00:58:09.860 Dukes of Havoc. 1290 00:58:09.980 --> 00:58:10.539 Oh, shit. 1291 00:58:10.559 --> 00:58:10.889 Dukes of. 1292 00:58:10.900 --> 00:58:13.159 Yeah, nice fall, dude. 1293 00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:13.579 Yeah. 1294 00:58:14.059 --> 00:58:16.000 Well, I do think that this. 1295 00:58:16.019 --> 00:58:17.260 They call them chops. 1296 00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:20.039 Chops. I do think this movie is better than Three 1297 00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:20.579 from Hell. 1298 00:58:21.059 --> 00:58:21.280 Yes. 1299 00:58:21.579 --> 00:58:24.800 Like, Three from Hell, I almost got, like, no enjoyment 1300 00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:27.079 out of. This movie, I have to say. 1301 00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:29.059 I like this as its own thing. And Three from 1302 00:58:29.099 --> 00:58:31.760 Hell is just another sequel to something that was better 1303 00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:32.480 before it, so. 1304 00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:38.199 Yeah, I agree with that. I think that... I get 1305 00:58:38.340 --> 00:58:42.349 bored in the first half of this movie. I don't 1306 00:58:42.449 --> 00:58:46.449 enjoy psycho head or schizo head. And I feel like 1307 00:58:46.610 --> 00:58:49.190 with the characters, it's mostly just like a lot of 1308 00:58:49.269 --> 00:58:53.309 running and hiding and like feudal fighting back that doesn't 1309 00:58:53.489 --> 00:58:57.670 generally work out for anybody. But for me, it gets 1310 00:58:57.750 --> 00:59:02.250 much more entertaining when Doomhead reenters the movie when they've 1311 00:59:02.269 --> 00:59:05.170 killed all the other, the protagonists have killed all the 1312 00:59:05.210 --> 00:59:08.360 killers and And then the aristocrats are sort of perplexed, like, 1313 00:59:08.539 --> 00:59:10.179 what do we do now? Like, we haven't ever. had 1314 00:59:10.219 --> 00:59:13.920 this happen before uh what the fuck what was the 1315

00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:17.039 guy they said was their safety net death death head 1316 00:59:17.059 --> 00:59:20.130 yeah death head well death head was ours no no 1317 00:59:20.190 --> 00:59:22.449 it was death head yeah death head was our safety 1318 00:59:22.510 --> 00:59:25.210 net um we're gonna have to call somebody else in 1319 00:59:25.289 --> 00:59:27.929 she's like suggesting people and he's like no there's only 1320 00:59:28.030 --> 00:59:30.239 one choice as far as they're all named head And 1321 00:59:30.260 --> 00:59:33.840 that's when they call in Doomhead. And I agree with you. 1322 00:59:33.900 --> 00:59:38.639 Him fucking to Nosferatu and acting crazy is over the top. 1323 00:59:38.699 --> 00:59:39.159 It's too much. 1324 00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:43.429 We get it, Rob. That's how you fuck. But you 1325 00:59:43.469 --> 00:59:46.699 don't need to work that into your character. Lucky Sherry. Yeah, 1326 00:59:46.739 --> 00:59:48.929 Lucky Sherry. That probably gets old after a while. Put 1327 00:59:48.969 --> 00:59:52.489 a different fucking movie on, bro. For Christ's sake. Coffin 1328 00:59:52.510 --> 00:59:53.250 Joe or something. 1329 00:59:53.269 --> 00:59:57.829 Ooh, that's a great choice. But anyway, once he reenters 1330 00:59:57.849 --> 01:00:00.409 and after we get past that cringy sex scene, When 1331 01:00:00.449 --> 01:00:03.170 he enters killing mode, I actually find him to be 1332 01:00:03.690 --> 01:00:06.150 really interesting and sort of alluring in. 1333 01:00:06.090 --> 01:00:08.489 A weird way. That scene when he prepares. Yeah, when 1334 01:00:08.530 --> 01:00:09.230 he's getting. 1335 01:00:09.030 --> 01:00:11.739 Dressed and he's rubbing the makeup on, like Idris Elba 1336 01:00:11.780 --> 01:00:13.960 massaging toner into his skin. 1337 01:00:13.980 --> 01:00:16.420 Rub it together in my hands. 1338 01:00:17.619 --> 01:00:22.590 Yes. Anyway. And then he punches himself in the face repeatedly. 1339 01:00:22.789 --> 01:00:24.789 I love it. And then he emerges. He's got this 1340 01:00:24.829 --> 01:00:29.739 sort of nice... Victorian-looking coat on. He looks rather dashing, 1341 01:00:29.860 --> 01:00:32.659 but he's got blood dripping down his face and onto 1342 01:00:32.699 --> 01:00:37.320 his cravat. I'm like, oh my god. It's quite striking. 1343 01:00:37.360 --> 01:00:40.159 What do you think? He wants the taste of blood 1344 01:00:40.380 --> 01:00:41.460 before he goes out on the hunt? 1345 01:00:41.659 --> 01:00:45.760 Or just to look fucking scary? I don't know. Maybe 1346 01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:47.679 he wants the taste of blood. Maybe it excites him. 1347 01:00:47.699 --> 01:00:48.099 I don't know. 1348 01:00:48.639 --> 01:00:53.250 There was that consistency with the first 31 that we 1349 01:00:53.269 --> 01:00:55.730 saw in the movie. You know, and he does this 1350 01:00:55.829 --> 01:00:59.889 monologue thing, which I really, really enjoy. Like, as he's 1351 01:00:59.929 --> 01:01:04.329 walking

down, and it's like this classical wah, wah, wah music, 1352 01:01:04.369 --> 01:01:06.969 and he's talking about all this stuff, and then some 1353 01:01:07.300 --> 01:01:10.719 bullshit that Rob Zombie wrote. But, like, he does that 1354 01:01:10.780 --> 01:01:13.420 later in the movie, and it's just like, that sounds 1355 01:01:13.500 --> 01:01:16.420 exactly the way you were talking at the beginning of 1356 01:01:16.460 --> 01:01:16.880 the movie. 1357 01:01:17.300 --> 01:01:19.380 Well, it's the same character, and it's the same situation. 1358 01:01:19.400 --> 01:01:20.699 He's about to murder somebody. 1359 01:01:21.159 --> 01:01:25.289 Yeah. I'm just saying. I like his character, but we 1360 01:01:25.309 --> 01:01:27.900 don't get enough of him to be honest. Like you, you, 1361 01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:30.800 you show him, I don't know. Like, again, you call 1362 01:01:30.840 --> 01:01:31.840 him in later, but. 1363 01:01:32.119 --> 01:01:34.320 What you guys were bringing up, like, like him getting 1364 01:01:34.380 --> 01:01:36.500 ready and put the makeup on and then punching himself 1365 01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:38.679 in the face. There was this really cool kind of 1366 01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:41.469 shake to the camera where it was just like, you know, 1367 01:01:41.909 --> 01:01:45.190 he's going into psycho mode or doom mode. 1368 01:01:45.570 --> 01:01:47.690 I guess he normally goes in with his buddies too. 1369 01:01:47.730 --> 01:01:50.550 He's like his gang or something. I don't know. Or, 1370 01:01:50.820 --> 01:01:53.530 or those, no, maybe those were like the aristocrats, uh, 1371 01:01:54.059 --> 01:01:56.380 members the ones with the stripes on the ones that 1372 01:01:56.400 --> 01:01:58.139 he said like you guys can take the night off 1373 01:01:58.239 --> 01:02:02.059 i'm going in alone oh i was like wondering maybe 1374 01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:04.119 he normally goes in with like some backup or something 1375 01:02:04.880 --> 01:02:06.539 uh when he gets when he hunts or something i 1376 01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:08.480 don't know i thought he's like you got a good 1377 01:02:08.579 --> 01:02:10.800 actor here and i felt like you kind of you 1378 01:02:10.820 --> 01:02:12.570 tease him in the beginning but there's nothing other than 1379 01:02:12.590 --> 01:02:14.230 that kill in the beginning like it's a cool scene 1380 01:02:14.250 --> 01:02:16.650 but nothing really tells me like oh he's the guy. 1381 01:02:16.789 --> 01:02:19.389 You know they wasted his talent yeah because. 1382 01:02:19.150 --> 01:02:21.190 Then after that we get these weird characters that are 1383 01:02:21.210 --> 01:02:24.250 very like cartoony Where I felt like he was more 1384 01:02:24.289 --> 01:02:25.389 like sadistic killer. 1385 01:02:25.489 --> 01:02:27.070 Yes, like much more menacing. 1386 01:02:27.159 --> 01:02:28.969 I would have rather just see him hunting them around 1387 01:02:28.989 --> 01:02:29.510 the whole fucking time. 1388 01:02:29.550 --> 01:02:31.559 Yeah, just like one guy, like one killer. That would 1389 01:02:31.579 --> 01:02:34.099 be fine. I don't know, survive this guy for 12 hours. 1390 01:02:34.579 --> 01:02:36.659 Because the rest felt redundant after a while. It's like 1391 01:02:36.699 --> 01:02:39.360 chainsaw fight and then the other guys. 1392 01:02:39.780 --> 01:02:41.619 But I do feel like there is something to be 1393 01:02:41.679 --> 01:02:43.599 said for him coming in like kind of in the 1394 01:02:43.639 --> 01:02:46.159 third act of the movie. It's like he's the one 1395 01:02:46.179 --> 01:02:48.909 you call when things go wrong. Like you went through 1396 01:02:48.929 --> 01:02:51.599 all of our other killers. Now let's bring in like 1397 01:02:51.639 --> 01:02:54.400 the real shit, you know, like the big guns. And 1398 01:02:54.440 --> 01:02:57.679 so you get that sense as he enters that like, Oh, 1399 01:02:57.699 --> 01:03:00.159 this guy is undefeatable. It's not going to be so 1400 01:03:00.219 --> 01:03:01.719 easy for them now. Right. 1401 01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:03.769 But wouldn't it have been more effective if he was 1402 01:03:03.789 --> 01:03:06.150 like sitting in his motel room, just kind of in 1403 01:03:06.190 --> 01:03:09.150 the dark, you know, sitting in a yoga pose or 1404 01:03:09.210 --> 01:03:13.489 something like that. I don't know, doing something where he's 1405 01:03:13.530 --> 01:03:15.800 just sitting in the dark and he's smoking his cigar. 1406 01:03:16.309 --> 01:03:18.210 And just rocking back and forth in his room. 1407 01:03:18.230 --> 01:03:19.150 He did like his cigars. 1408 01:03:19.170 --> 01:03:19.489 Yeah, he did. 1409 01:03:19.510 --> 01:03:21.530 He could have been watching, like, he could have been 1410 01:03:21.570 --> 01:03:24.010 watching Smut. Like, I don't care about that. I just 1411 01:03:24.030 --> 01:03:26.519 feel like, like, he could be sitting in darkness watching 1412 01:03:26.739 --> 01:03:28.400 snuff films, for all I care. But, like. 1413 01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:29.519 Whatever, I mean. 1414 01:03:29.619 --> 01:03:32.400 The scene is directed, like, it's just cringy. It's just, like, 1415 01:03:32.920 --> 01:03:35.989 explicit for explicity's sake. Yeah, there's not really a reason 1416 01:03:36.010 --> 01:03:38.110 for it. Like, I get it, Rob, you know. You 1417 01:03:38.150 --> 01:03:41.780 want to shock us. I don't know. It feels degrading too, 1418 01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:44.360 to the, the, the actress. It's like, I don't know. 1419 01:03:44.460 --> 01:03:46.280 I get that his character is this kind of guy. Like, 1420 01:03:46.380 --> 01:03:48.079 I don't really, you can sum that up. 1421 01:03:49.699 --> 01:03:49.940 Yeah. 1422 01:03:49.980 --> 01:03:53.099 This is, this is not 1982. This is 2016. So 1423 01:03:53.739 --> 01:03:57.800 it's like, jokes are just so, they're bad. 1424 01:03:57.820 --> 01:03:58.480 They're so bad. 1425 01:03:58.500 --> 01:03:59.199 He made jokes.

1426 01:03:59.519 --> 01:04:02.159 The baking joke in the beginning of like, we were 1427 01:04:02.199 --> 01:04:04.409 making a cake and like, oh, the little kid, like 1428 01:04:04.429 --> 01:04:06.230 you're talking about little kids looking up, come off a 1429 01:04:06.269 --> 01:04:07.150 couch and stuff. It's gross. 1430 01:04:07.250 --> 01:04:08.610 Oh, I did not like that. 1431 01:04:08.650 --> 01:04:08.949 Gross. 1432 01:04:09.070 --> 01:04:12.610 Yeah. and then like what's sicker than fucking a pregnant. 1433 01:04:12.300 --> 01:04:15.480 Bitch yeah there's some really like is this a sense 1434 01:04:15.539 --> 01:04:17.519 of humor or is this just stuff he comes up 1435 01:04:17.559 --> 01:04:20.760 with to try to like push boundaries and like does 1436 01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:24.039 he ask his wife for advice like hey help me 1437 01:04:24.079 --> 01:04:26.440 write this scene does she have any say is this 1438 01:04:26.460 --> 01:04:28.699 how she thinks too or does he never ask anybody 1439 01:04:28.739 --> 01:04:30.019 for advice on. 1440 01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:33.110 Well maybe maybe she's a really good writer and he 1441 01:04:33.130 --> 01:04:37.489 just hasn't tapped that resource here To me, Rob Zombie 1442 01:04:37.789 --> 01:04:41.099 needs a partner to pass back and forth a script 1443 01:04:41.179 --> 01:04:41.389 and say. 1444 01:04:41.400 --> 01:04:42.579 He needs someone to say no. 1445 01:04:42.699 --> 01:04:46.409 Rob, no. We're cutting this out. We're cutting this out. 1446 01:04:46.659 --> 01:04:47.650 Let's simplify it. 1447 01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:49.679 Well, somebody did say no to him, and that's why 1448 01:04:49.719 --> 01:04:51.519 he had to crowdfund this movie. 1449 01:04:52.000 --> 01:04:55.510 Yeah. 1450 01:04:55.530 --> 01:04:57.710 So... He's a determined little fella. I'll say that. 1451 01:04:58.230 --> 01:05:00.909 Yeah. I want to see him fucking do it. I 1452 01:05:00.949 --> 01:05:01.409 really do. 1453 01:05:02.809 --> 01:05:07.250 I would like to see a Rob Zombie... collaborative movie 1454 01:05:07.429 --> 01:05:10.110 i do i honestly do jacklyn i know we give 1455 01:05:10.150 --> 01:05:14.289 him shit all the time but it's just it it's sometimes. 1456 01:05:13.949 --> 01:05:15.730 I want him to meet his missing link. 1457 01:05:15.909 --> 01:05:18.590 What if he and eli roth work together. 1458 01:05:18.679 --> 01:05:21.880 No eli roth is like no nobody likes him right 1459 01:05:21.920 --> 01:05:26.820 now we don't i don't think he's a good guy 1460 01:05:27.579 --> 01:05:29.699 i don't think he's a did he get in trouble 1461 01:05:29.739 --> 01:05:31.780 he strikes me as a cooter i'll be i'm gonna 1462 01:05:31.800 --> 01:05:32.739 be fucking honest. 1463 01:05:32.559 --> 01:05:34.780 Okay I was just thinking of somebody who kind of 1464 01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:39.960 shared his gruesome sensibilities, but was more disciplined with his writing. 1465 01:05:40.440 --> 01:05:41.139 What about Flanagan? 1466 01:05:41.159 --> 01:05:41.739 No, I get that. 1467 01:05:42.179 --> 01:05:43.159 What about Mike Flanagan? 1468 01:05:43.179 --> 01:05:43.250 No. 1469 01:05:43.300 --> 01:05:43.519 No. 1470 01:05:43.539 --> 01:05:44.960 You don't think so? 1471 01:05:45.159 --> 01:05:48.079 No. I don't want Rob Zobby rubbing off on Mike Flanagan. 1472 01:05:48.139 --> 01:05:49.480 I don't think he would rub off on him. I 1473 01:05:49.500 --> 01:05:53.840 just think they're totally incompatible. I don't think there's any 1474 01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:54.780 meeting ground there. 1475 01:05:54.820 --> 01:05:57.610 We need the peanut butter and jelly, or the peanut 1476 01:05:57.630 --> 01:06:00.480 butter and chocolate of... you know, of these types of films. 1477 01:06:00.500 --> 01:06:01.699 I don't know, but Flanagan ain't it. 1478 01:06:02.320 --> 01:06:05.619 What about Tarantino does a film with? No. What do 1479 01:06:05.659 --> 01:06:06.780 you mean? 1480 01:06:06.840 --> 01:06:07.320 No. 1481 01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:11.039 He's trying to be the Tarantino of fucking horror. 1482 01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:12.380 He is trying to be the Tarantino of horror. 1483 01:06:12.900 --> 01:06:16.139 It'd be just like skull fucking and feet. That's all 1484 01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:16.500 it'd be. 1485 01:06:16.539 --> 01:06:20.079 No, Tarantino's dialogue is what this motherfucker needs, bro. 1486 01:06:20.099 --> 01:06:21.500 Yeah, that's true. Yes, I know. 1487 01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:24.579 You want good monologues? You want characters that can be 1488 01:06:24.659 --> 01:06:27.809 cringey on the surface but still have depth? Tarantino's a guy. 1489 01:06:27.820 --> 01:06:30.420 Hold on a second. So, okay, there's two movies out 1490 01:06:30.440 --> 01:06:32.400 that I have not seen. I believe both of you 1491 01:06:32.420 --> 01:06:35.739 guys have seen them. Obsession and The Director from Back Rooms. 1492 01:06:36.300 --> 01:06:37.869 Yeah, both written and directed by Tarantino. I have not 1493 01:06:37.889 --> 01:06:39.969 seen Obsession. What do those have to do with what 1494 01:06:39.989 --> 01:06:41.449 we were just talking about? 1495 01:06:41.510 --> 01:06:45.389 I'm trying to think of collaborators for Rob Zombie. I 1496 01:06:45.409 --> 01:06:45.710 don't know. 1497 01:06:45.750 --> 01:06:46.730 Have you seen those films? 1498 01:06:47.250 --> 01:06:48.530 No, I have not. I'm asking. 1499 01:06:48.550 --> 01:06:50.510 Well, you should before you think they should collaborate with 1500 01:06:50.530 --> 01:06:51.110 Rob Zombie. 1501 01:06:51.309 --> 01:06:53.679 All right, never mind. All right, fuck. Forget what John said. 1502 01:06:53.699 --> 01:06:56.389 Because they're good films and they're good in the. 1503 01:06:59.519 --> 01:07:03.440 Oh, here's an idea. So Tarantino, he's famously said after 1504 01:07:03.480 --> 01:07:05.179 he makes his 10th film, he's going to stop making 1505 01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:07.940 films because nobody has

more than 10 good films in them. 1506 01:07:08.380 --> 01:07:10.380 Here's what he should do. When he's done making films, 1507 01:07:10.440 --> 01:07:12.539 he should just write films and then Rob Zombie can 1508 01:07:12.579 --> 01:07:16.400 direct them. So he's not technically making films. He's just 1509 01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:16.860 writing them. 1510 01:07:17.239 --> 01:07:18.900 I don't want to say Rob can't write at all. 1511 01:07:19.480 --> 01:07:22.239 No. At least some dialogue help, I think. 1512 01:07:22.599 --> 01:07:25.019 I think he writes stories. I think he can come 1513 01:07:25.059 --> 01:07:28.389 up with stories. Like the story, not the script. So 1514 01:07:28.409 --> 01:07:30.670 you come up with a story, the premise of, and 1515 01:07:30.690 --> 01:07:32.219 then someone fills it in. 1516 01:07:32.739 --> 01:07:34.889 Yeah, I think that would be more successful for him. 1517 01:07:34.920 --> 01:07:38.139 This story is actually really good. And Heiderberg, you brought 1518 01:07:38.179 --> 01:07:38.929 up running it. 1519 01:07:38.989 --> 01:07:39.110 Is it? 1520 01:07:39.739 --> 01:07:40.500 I got the vibes. 1521 01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:41.820 There's something here that you could develop. 1522 01:07:41.880 --> 01:07:45.199 There's very much something here. 1523 01:07:45.219 --> 01:07:46.639 There's a foundation. 1524 01:07:46.719 --> 01:07:49.349 Maybe show me a group go through the fucking thing 1525 01:07:50.010 --> 01:07:52.769 faster in a way. Show me more glimpses of a group. 1526 01:07:52.809 --> 01:07:54.110 I know you try to do that with the monologue, 1527 01:07:54.130 --> 01:07:55.869 but show me what this is like a little bit. 1528 01:07:56.230 --> 01:07:58.849 And then we pan to the regularity of our group 1529 01:07:59.090 --> 01:08:01.030 on the road trip. And we cut back to that. 1530 01:08:01.110 --> 01:08:03.309 And we have some normalness. And we know what they 1531 01:08:03.349 --> 01:08:05.829 might get into at some point. And then you show 1532 01:08:05.869 --> 01:08:08.860 them through the maze now. And so we have a, 1533 01:08:09.070 --> 01:08:11.769 an idea of what we're getting into, maybe, maybe some 1534 01:08:11.809 --> 01:08:13.750 other killers or whatever. So we kind of, I, we 1535 01:08:13.789 --> 01:08:15.690 know what, like, you know, we're going to have these 1536 01:08:15.730 --> 01:08:18.399 spicy killers that are all have their own kind of profile. 1537 01:08:18.479 --> 01:08:20.619 And cause it's like running man does that. It builds 1538 01:08:20.699 --> 01:08:22.939 up the killers in a way where you kind of like, 1539 01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:25.319 they become characters in the movie, but here they're just 1540 01:08:25.340 --> 01:08:27.119 sort of like flashes in the pan. 1541 01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:32.159 Right. And you brought up, um, uh, like the silliness, 1542 01:08:32.640 --> 01:08:36.909 like cartooniness of our killers, the heads. It's like, i 1543 01:08:36.949 --> 01:08:38.430 think the movie haunt did. 1544 01:08:38.310 --> 01:08:41.470 It really well yes actually that's i. 1545 01:08:41.449 --> 01:08:43.949 Mean that kind of it kind of reminds me of 1546 01:08:44.020 --> 01:08:47.659 that because they're like all different characters and the reveal 1547 01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:51.260 at the end is is actually really fun you know 1548 01:08:51.319 --> 01:08:55.729 just that they're modified and that's crazy to me but 1549 01:08:56.149 --> 01:08:59.970 yeah i think the cartooniness of our killers with the 1550 01:09:00.029 --> 01:09:02.850 exception of richard rake i mean he did just fine 1551 01:09:02.949 --> 01:09:04.689 he was fine i. 1552 01:09:04.640 --> 01:09:07.960 Just think we talk about sick head sure make it 1553 01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:09.380 make sense dwarf. 1554 01:09:09.100 --> 01:09:10.920 Why is he a nazi that's what i want to know. 1555 01:09:10.939 --> 01:09:13.159 I don't know the fighting scene where he's like fighting 1556 01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:15.300 her in the tunnel like it's it's like it looks 1557 01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:18.060 cool but like they're speaking in broken spanish to each 1558 01:09:18.119 --> 01:09:21.369 other and it's not even good and She's like, I 1559 01:09:21.430 --> 01:09:24.300 don't know. And he's using size. They're not even like, 1560 01:09:24.779 --> 01:09:27.279 I don't even understand the size. Like you're a German, 1561 01:09:27.880 --> 01:09:32.659 Spanish speaking, like little person. I don't know. Maybe because, 1562 01:09:32.960 --> 01:09:35.239 you know, there's rumors that like, oh, a lot of Nazis, 1563 01:09:35.439 --> 01:09:38.449 they went and escaped to Argentine, right? They speak Spanish 1564 01:09:38.489 --> 01:09:42.630 in Argentina. Sure. So maybe he's from there. I don't know. 1565 01:09:43.130 --> 01:09:44.489 And he's like a Nazi. 1566 01:09:44.529 --> 01:09:47.670 Wait, dude, you're over explaining this. It was just ridiculous. 1567 01:09:47.770 --> 01:09:49.850 I'm trying to fill in the blanks because he's just 1568 01:09:49.930 --> 01:09:51.289 a random ass fucking Nazi. 1569 01:09:51.369 --> 01:09:53.579 I think it's just going to be shocking. 1570 01:09:55.000 --> 01:09:55.939 There was nothing. 1571 01:09:56.100 --> 01:09:58.380 What are we going with? What's his motivation? 1572 01:09:58.939 --> 01:09:59.760 It doesn't make sense. 1573 01:10:00.180 --> 01:10:04.340 LeBron's death was cheesy too. Oh, I'm getting cold. I feel, 1574 01:10:04.779 --> 01:10:05.300 I'm tired. 1575 01:10:05.460 --> 01:10:05.880 I'm tired. 1576 01:10:05.939 --> 01:10:07.359 I agree with you. 1577 01:10:11.430 --> 01:10:14.090 No, I think Sickhead should have been even more of 1578 01:10:14.130 --> 01:10:16.130 a minor character than he already was. 1579 01:10:16.149 --> 01:10:18.329 Yeah, they gave him too much time. You could have 1580 01:10:18.350 --> 01:10:18.930 given that to Doom. 1581 01:10:18.970 --> 01:10:21.380 Are you making fun of his size?

That's racist, Jacqueline. 1582 01:10:21.979 --> 01:10:22.319 No! 1583 01:10:22.479 --> 01:10:25.199 You could have cut that character in half, really, the 1584 01:10:25.220 --> 01:10:28.140 amount of time that character was on screen. Shorten it, maybe, 1585 01:10:28.260 --> 01:10:31.279 the amount of time that he was there, or cut 1586 01:10:31.319 --> 01:10:31.600 it down. 1587 01:10:31.800 --> 01:10:35.050 Cut it. I do want to give this movie one compliment, 1588 01:10:35.100 --> 01:10:37.609 which is, you know, I was complaining about the lack 1589 01:10:37.670 --> 01:10:42.500 of character development, and you know, it's, he doesn't write 1590 01:10:43.060 --> 01:10:45.779 normal people very well. Like he writes, you know, the 1591 01:10:45.819 --> 01:10:49.680 freaks and weirdos with a lot more personality and interest than, uh, 1592 01:10:49.699 --> 01:10:53.399 than normal people. But I will say the scene where 1593 01:10:54.140 --> 01:10:57.460 Roscoe is trying to convince Charlie to go on without 1594 01:10:57.520 --> 01:11:00.659 him as Doomhead is approaching. I did kind of find 1595 01:11:00.680 --> 01:11:02.689 that to be touching when she was like, I'm not 1596 01:11:02.729 --> 01:11:04.869 leaving without you. And he's like, get down there. And 1597 01:11:05.270 --> 01:11:07.810 she's arguing and resisting and resisting. And he's trying to 1598 01:11:07.850 --> 01:11:09.869 just like, say whatever he needs to. I mean, even, 1599 01:11:10.590 --> 01:11:13.369 He gets mean, but he's not really mean. He's just 1600 01:11:13.430 --> 01:11:15.750 trying to get her to get in there to save 1601 01:11:15.789 --> 01:11:18.250 her life. And he was like, get the fuck in there. Like, 1602 01:11:18.449 --> 01:11:18.750 you know. 1603 01:11:18.770 --> 01:11:21.229 Like, I'm about to kill myself so you can live. 1604 01:11:21.250 --> 01:11:22.729 You better live and get out of here. 1605 01:11:22.770 --> 01:11:25.449 Yeah, because otherwise they're both going to die for nothing. 1606 01:11:25.989 --> 01:11:27.340 And I did like that for his character. 1607 01:11:27.779 --> 01:11:30.619 But I did like that moment. Honestly, I did not 1608 01:11:30.640 --> 01:11:32.539 like him as a character. I thought he was blah. 1609 01:11:33.060 --> 01:11:34.100 but I did like that moment. 1610 01:11:34.140 --> 01:11:37.750 I thought he's cliche, but I thought the actor was 1611 01:11:37.810 --> 01:11:40.130 trying his best to really give me a character. 1612 01:11:40.430 --> 01:11:43.010 I didn't like the character. 1613 01:11:43.909 --> 01:11:44.989 I liked the character. 1614 01:11:45.010 --> 01:11:46.869 He wasn't a piece of shit. 1615 01:11:47.069 --> 01:11:49.930 No, no, no. The one thing I really enjoyed about it, 1616 01:11:49.989 --> 01:11:52.689 and that was the comic relief of him getting fucked 1617 01:11:52.949 --> 01:11:56.899 up throughout the movie, but he's still surviving. 1618 01:11:57.359 --> 01:12:01.479 He's penetrated by sex. That moment where he thinks, what's-her-name dies. 1619 01:12:01.939 --> 01:12:05.340 like he, he feels genuine. Um, you know, like it 1620 01:12:05.380 --> 01:12:07.939 wasn't like he feels for his group, this group, like 1621 01:12:07.970 --> 01:12:10.710 there's some camaraderie here and, but we don't really get 1622 01:12:10.750 --> 01:12:13.430 to see it and it's not developed. So, you know, 1623 01:12:13.449 --> 01:12:15.590 it falls flat a little bit, but we do see 1624 01:12:15.630 --> 01:12:17.869 when he discovers that body, he thinks it's Charlie for 1625 01:12:17.909 --> 01:12:20.770 a minute and he's so relieved that it's not, um, 1626 01:12:21.029 --> 01:12:23.529 you know, it's, it still sucks that someone here is 1627 01:12:23.550 --> 01:12:25.170 dead in front of me, but at least it's not 1628 01:12:25.189 --> 01:12:27.189 the fucking, you know, the woman that I know that I, 1629 01:12:27.329 --> 01:12:29.760 that we travel with and work with. But, I wish 1630 01:12:29.770 --> 01:12:31.500 they just built a little bit more on the road 1631 01:12:31.560 --> 01:12:33.939 maybe with them and less of just like the giving 1632 01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:37.359 each other shit in the van, in the RV. It 1633 01:12:37.380 --> 01:12:39.340 could have been a little bit more of like speaking 1634 01:12:39.399 --> 01:12:41.939 about being a carnival rider. 1635 01:12:42.140 --> 01:12:44.560 Again, normal people things. 1636 01:12:45.159 --> 01:12:48.239 It's a dialogue that we just don't get in these moments. 1637 01:12:48.810 --> 01:12:53.210 It works better for the Firefly family when Spaulding, Otis, 1638 01:12:53.310 --> 01:12:55.550 and Baby are in there and it's just like, I 1639 01:12:55.550 --> 01:12:56.390 want some ice cream. 1640 01:12:57.260 --> 01:12:58.640 He's like, no, we're not stopping. 1641 01:12:58.840 --> 01:12:59.819 That's so much better. 1642 01:13:00.140 --> 01:13:02.399 There's no tender moments with them. We don't need that. 1643 01:13:02.840 --> 01:13:06.130 But I know, and Rob set it up as an 1644 01:13:06.270 --> 01:13:09.710 anti-hero group that you're starting to really like. And it's 1645 01:13:09.729 --> 01:13:14.470 just like, you can like them or not. You can 1646 01:13:14.529 --> 01:13:18.689 develop an enjoyment from this family and you start feeling 1647 01:13:18.729 --> 01:13:21.750 for them as anti-heroes, even though they're the biggest piece 1648 01:13:21.829 --> 01:13:23.470 of shit on the planet. 1649 01:13:23.850 --> 01:13:24.130 Yes. 1650 01:13:24.329 --> 01:13:29.409 But it's like with this movie, nobody felt grounded. Nobody 1651 01:13:29.569 --> 01:13:32.329 felt like, like, like you can connect with this person. 1652 01:13:32.529 --> 01:13:34.609 And Jacqueline, you said it, you know, it's like Sherry 1653 01:13:34.630 --> 01:13:38.229 moon is really, she's the final girl. 1654 01:13:38.489 --> 01:13:42.189 She's the final girl. She's the director, writers, fucking wife. 1655 01:13:42.430 -->

01:13:43.449 I know that, but. 1656 01:13:43.369 --> 01:13:45.470 There's no reason for her to be right. 1657 01:13:45.609 --> 01:13:49.590 And watching the movie, you're like, why, you. 1658 01:13:49.010 --> 01:13:51.449 Know, it would have been funny to find anybody, honestly. 1659 01:13:52.260 --> 01:13:55.460 It would have been more enjoyable for me if Roscoe survived. 1660 01:13:55.739 --> 01:13:58.199 All the shit he went through through this whole thing, 1661 01:13:58.560 --> 01:14:01.430 and he's limping or maybe even crawling on that dirt road, 1662 01:14:01.949 --> 01:14:05.170 and Doomhead comes up and is like, pulls out his knives, 1663 01:14:05.649 --> 01:14:06.430 and it goes to black. 1664 01:14:06.670 --> 01:14:08.149 Fine. I don't need to do it. 1665 01:14:08.149 --> 01:14:10.130 Is anybody going to acknowledge that the two black guys 1666 01:14:10.189 --> 01:14:10.710 die first? 1667 01:14:11.069 --> 01:14:11.590 Yeah, they do. 1668 01:14:12.130 --> 01:14:13.090 Are we acknowledging them? 1669 01:14:13.109 --> 01:14:14.029 Are they somehow related? 1670 01:14:14.550 --> 01:14:15.430 Are they? What? 1671 01:14:15.890 --> 01:14:17.430 I thought he was admitting at the very end, like, 1672 01:14:17.470 --> 01:14:20.350 your mama was... Or is that just hallucination? What? What 1673 01:14:20.369 --> 01:14:23.300 did he say? He said something about, like, your mama was... 1674 01:14:23.500 --> 01:14:27.340 My mama said that we were related or brothers or... Yeah, 1675 01:14:27.380 --> 01:14:29.699 it was... I was like, was that delusional speak? 1676 01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:31.760 Or was he confessing some shit? 1677 01:14:31.819 --> 01:14:34.060 At the very end. At the very end. 1678 01:14:34.060 --> 01:14:37.050 Yeah. Like, 30 seconds before he died. Maybe not even. 1679 01:14:37.109 --> 01:14:38.470 It was weird. 1680 01:14:38.550 --> 01:14:40.189 Like, there's no reason for that to be there. 1681 01:14:40.210 --> 01:14:42.590 I couldn't tell. He was having, like, fever dreams or 1682 01:14:42.630 --> 01:14:43.550 some shit. It was cheesy. 1683 01:14:44.079 --> 01:14:45.899 I have a couple of questions for, oh, sorry, go ahead. 1684 01:14:46.600 --> 01:14:49.060 Uh, no, there was a moment too, where she has her, 1685 01:14:49.239 --> 01:14:55.039 she has her Sally moment at the end. I thought honestly, 1686 01:14:55.060 --> 01:14:56.840 they could have built that a little bit better. Like 1687 01:14:56.880 --> 01:14:58.840 I get where you're going, but her scream and final 1688 01:14:58.880 --> 01:15:00.779 girl sort of like, ah, I'm out of this. I'm 1689 01:15:00.819 --> 01:15:02.939 in the sunlight. She had that like moment of like, 1690 01:15:03.100 --> 01:15:05.359 I'm in the sunlight at the end of the movie 1691 01:15:05.399 --> 01:15:07.479 kind of deal. And she screams and she's got blood 1692 01:15:07.560 --> 01:15:09.539 on her, but it's just like, bro, I feel like 1693 01:15:09.560 --> 01:15:11.850 you're a fan of that scene. You could have dialed 1694 01:15:11.890 --> 01:15:13.010 that up a little bit better. Yeah. 1695 01:15:13.020 --> 01:15:13.189 Yeah. 1696 01:15:14.079 --> 01:15:15.180 You know, take another. 1697 01:15:14.979 --> 01:15:17.039 Take or two. Tell your wife. 1698 01:15:16.779 --> 01:15:19.619 That maybe she could try a little bit harder. 1699 01:15:20.020 --> 01:15:22.380 I wonder how that working relationship is. Like, what if 1700 01:15:22.439 --> 01:15:24.560 he doesn't like her performance? Like, do you think he's 1701 01:15:24.600 --> 01:15:25.779 honest with his notes? 1702 01:15:26.279 --> 01:15:28.449 No, I don't think so. I feel like he makes 1703 01:15:28.510 --> 01:15:30.850 movies just to do them with his wife. You know, 1704 01:15:30.909 --> 01:15:32.510 it's kind of cute in a way, but also we 1705 01:15:32.529 --> 01:15:33.680 have to be subjected to it. 1706 01:15:34.210 --> 01:15:35.250 Yes. 1707 01:15:35.890 --> 01:15:38.869 I have a couple questions for you guys about Doomhead. 1708 01:15:40.090 --> 01:15:43.479 My first question is, So, you know, he has shown 1709 01:15:43.520 --> 01:15:49.130 himself to be an unsavory fellow, right? And yet, at 1710 01:15:49.170 --> 01:15:51.869 the very end, when he's going on his little self-indulgent 1711 01:15:51.909 --> 01:15:56.069 monologue and he runs himself right out of time, and 1712 01:15:57.069 --> 01:15:59.640 they're like, you know, over the loudspeaker, they're like, weapons down, 1713 01:15:59.680 --> 01:16:03.319 weapons down. And he looks so pissed. He's like, motherfucker, 1714 01:16:03.380 --> 01:16:07.560 you lucky little bitch. And, you know, he doesn't kill her. 1715 01:16:08.079 --> 01:16:10.680 Why do you guys think he follows the rules? 1716 01:16:11.319 --> 01:16:12.199 Like, He doesn't. 1717 01:16:12.220 --> 01:16:14.439 It seems like somebody would just be like, oh, fuck it. 1718 01:16:14.500 --> 01:16:17.420 I think he follows until she's out. 1719 01:16:17.520 --> 01:16:20.659 But in that moment, why doesn't he just like, oh, 1720 01:16:20.770 --> 01:16:21.850 I can kill her real fast. 1721 01:16:21.869 --> 01:16:22.750 This is his thing. 1722 01:16:22.770 --> 01:16:25.470 Maybe it's a money thing. 1723 01:16:25.529 --> 01:16:27.649 Oh, maybe he won't get paid. 1724 01:16:28.090 --> 01:16:32.189 Yeah, you're diving into something that's just like so not there. 1725 01:16:32.819 --> 01:16:34.479 You know what would have been more effective? 1726 01:16:34.539 --> 01:16:37.520 I was just asking a question. He's clearly not a 1727 01:16:37.659 --> 01:16:39.550 person who follows the rules of society. 1728 01:16:39.560 --> 01:16:41.329 Yeah, but this is a yearly thing for him. He 1729 01:16:41.390 --> 01:16:42.789 follows his deal with the money. 1730 01:16:42.909 --> 01:16:45.409 He wasn't going to do it. Right. He wasn't going 1731 01:16:45.430 --> 01:16:47.050 to do it. 1732 01:16:47.590 --> 01:16:50.489 Even if they kept Sherry as the final girl, she's 1733

01:16:50.569 --> 01:16:53.699 fucked up. She's limping down the road and he looks 1734 01:16:53.800 --> 01:16:55.760 at her and he pulls out a knife and just 1735 01:16:55.899 --> 01:16:58.430 drives away. Yeah, and that could have been a moment 1736 01:16:58.449 --> 01:17:01.409 for him. Like, give him something. 1737 01:17:01.430 --> 01:17:03.029 Why would he pull out a knife and then drive away? 1738 01:17:03.539 --> 01:17:06.960 Well, no, just show her that I could have killed you. 1739 01:17:07.699 --> 01:17:08.640 You know, I fucked up. 1740 01:17:09.020 --> 01:17:12.439 Maybe he values her as an equal now because she survived. Yeah, maybe. 1741 01:17:12.500 --> 01:17:13.100 More of an equal. 1742 01:17:13.579 --> 01:17:13.939 I don't know. 1743 01:17:14.279 --> 01:17:14.880 That's cheesy. 1744 01:17:17.270 --> 01:17:20.710 I know, but there's such an ambiguous ending. Like, he 1745 01:17:20.770 --> 01:17:23.909 just gets that really gross... I don't think so. 1746 01:17:24.010 --> 01:17:26.020 He's got two knives in his fucking hand. She can 1747 01:17:26.039 --> 01:17:28.659 barely stand. And just because she made some fists doesn't 1748 01:17:28.680 --> 01:17:31.399 mean she's going to beat him. Yeah. But no. And 1749 01:17:31.420 --> 01:17:32.270 he's not even harmed. 1750 01:17:33.250 --> 01:17:36.229 Well, OK, so I guess the best answer to my 1751 01:17:36.270 --> 01:17:39.449 first question was, well, because maybe otherwise he wouldn't get paid. 1752 01:17:39.909 --> 01:17:41.789 But otherwise, if that's not the answer, then I don't 1753 01:17:41.810 --> 01:17:44.729 know why he would, like, restrain himself from killing her. 1754 01:17:44.750 --> 01:17:47.270 He's not, like, somebody who follows the rules. But anyway, 1755 01:17:47.630 --> 01:17:48.189 then my second question is. 1756 01:17:48.170 --> 01:17:49.750 He follows the rules because he wants to be invited 1757 01:17:49.789 --> 01:17:51.869 back next year. Why? 1758 01:17:52.029 --> 01:17:53.989 Do we know that? Because he wasn't going to do 1759 01:17:54.050 --> 01:17:55.609 it this year. Yeah, because he did it last year. 1760 01:17:55.670 --> 01:17:57.189 He got called in at the last minute. He wasn't 1761 01:17:57.210 --> 01:17:57.970 going to do it this year. 1762 01:17:57.989 --> 01:18:01.850 Well, yeah, but he obviously does it, so he still 1763 01:18:01.869 --> 01:18:03.449 wants to get called. He said he wasn't going to 1764 01:18:03.489 --> 01:18:07.729 work this year. I think he just lives, it's like 1765 01:18:07.770 --> 01:18:09.470 people that work on ships, they make a bunch of 1766 01:18:09.510 --> 01:18:10.850 money for a little while and then they take the 1767 01:18:10.869 --> 01:18:13.350 rest of the year off kind of deal. And he 1768 01:18:13.390 --> 01:18:16.399 obviously doesn't spend his money on material things, so it's 1769 01:18:16.409 --> 01:18:20.199 probably mostly drugs and fucking alcohol and porn and hookers. 1770 01:18:20.779 --> 01:18:23.699 That was just Nosferatu, my friend. 1771 01:18:24.140 --> 01:18:26.840 To some people, that's porn. I mean, to him, it 1772 01:18:26.859 --> 01:18:28.579 looked like it. 1773 01:18:29.779 --> 01:18:32.579 So then my second question is, why does he bother 1774 01:18:32.619 --> 01:18:34.260 going back to face off with her? 1775 01:18:34.789 --> 01:18:37.350 Because he's a man with ego and he just got 1776 01:18:37.390 --> 01:18:40.479 beat and he won't let her, you know, I don't 1777 01:18:40.500 --> 01:18:41.699 think he's ever let anybody survive. 1778 01:18:42.020 --> 01:18:44.439 Because to me that feels like it's personal. Like he's 1779 01:18:44.479 --> 01:18:46.409 outside of the context of the game now and he 1780 01:18:46.449 --> 01:18:48.630 wants to go back as a person and kill her 1781 01:18:48.689 --> 01:18:49.289 as a person. 1782 01:18:49.789 --> 01:18:52.300 Yep. I don't even know that he's ever had to 1783 01:18:52.359 --> 01:18:55.399 do that. Because he's gotten everybody. 1784 01:18:56.000 --> 01:18:58.979 Do you think they'll come out with a 32? 1785 01:18:58.979 --> 01:19:01.600 I had that joke written down. Yeah, that's going to 1786 01:19:01.640 --> 01:19:03.880 be the sequel. I was waiting for trivia to drop 1787 01:19:03.920 --> 01:19:06.439 and I was like, wait for trivia. We're close. 1788 01:19:07.829 --> 01:19:09.109 Anyway, I don't know. I just. 1789 01:19:09.670 --> 01:19:12.930 What if they ended up working together? He's like, look, 1790 01:19:12.970 --> 01:19:14.529 you look like you're beat to shit. You want one 1791 01:19:14.560 --> 01:19:16.619 of my knives? I'm sorry, I'm drooling. I didn't mean 1792 01:19:16.640 --> 01:19:17.859 to drool. I'm just very excited. 1793 01:19:18.300 --> 01:19:18.899 I like that drool. 1794 01:19:18.920 --> 01:19:19.500 I've never had a partner. 1795 01:19:19.520 --> 01:19:21.020 I think it was like a... I thought that was like. 1796 01:19:21.039 --> 01:19:21.739 Yeah, it looks cool. 1797 01:19:21.819 --> 01:19:22.439 A good moment. 1798 01:19:22.779 --> 01:19:24.180 But the fact that they had to like... He has 1799 01:19:24.220 --> 01:19:26.689 to walk. He parks the van like two miles down 1800 01:19:26.710 --> 01:19:28.270 the road and then walks up to... Like, park the 1801 01:19:28.289 --> 01:19:30.229 van a little closer, bro. You're in a vehicle. She 1802 01:19:30.270 --> 01:19:33.229 can hear you coming. And she's not getting away. Trust me. 1803 01:19:33.630 --> 01:19:33.750 Yeah. 1804 01:19:34.619 --> 01:19:37.039 I think just having the van show up behind was, was, 1805 01:19:37.420 --> 01:19:40.439 was luminous enough of like, yo, there's she, he's in 1806 01:19:40.479 --> 01:19:42.279 the van. We get it. Like he's going to kill 1807 01:19:42.350 --> 01:19:45.170 her or something. And you could have just cut the 1808 01:19:45.210 --> 01:19:48.109 black there. I think was enough. The face to face 1809 01:19:48.170 --> 01:19:50.390 is okay. Cause I think the

whole movie scene at 1810 01:19:50.430 --> 01:19:53.130 the end of all of them together for me signifies 1811 01:19:53.170 --> 01:19:55.550 that they're all dead. And the whole movie shows them 1812 01:19:55.590 --> 01:19:56.949 at a time before they had died. 1813 01:19:56.989 --> 01:19:58.550 You know, I think you're probably right about that. 1814 01:19:58.569 --> 01:19:59.600 She's dead as well. 1815 01:20:00.050 --> 01:20:03.550 And I also think that's just inherently the more likely outcome. Like, 1816 01:20:03.869 --> 01:20:05.409 is she really going to fuck him up with her 1817 01:20:05.550 --> 01:20:08.829 fists when she's all beat up and he's like perfectly fine? 1818 01:20:09.329 --> 01:20:11.310 If she gets ahead of a knife, maybe. I mean, 1819 01:20:11.340 --> 01:20:13.479 the possibility is there, but in her state, and we've 1820 01:20:13.500 --> 01:20:15.640 seen what he does, like how good he is at 1821 01:20:15.680 --> 01:20:16.359 stabbing people. 1822 01:20:16.840 --> 01:20:18.510 Yeah, he's really good at it. 1823 01:20:19.180 --> 01:20:21.199 Why he has to de-robe to do it, I don't know. 1824 01:20:22.920 --> 01:20:24.460 I don't know, but he looked pretty badass. I was 1825 01:20:24.500 --> 01:20:24.880 into it. 1826 01:20:25.420 --> 01:20:25.680 I guess. 1827 01:20:26.170 --> 01:20:26.710 She just got naked. 1828 01:20:26.750 --> 01:20:28.649 I thought he was going to get totally naked and 1829 01:20:28.689 --> 01:20:32.600 just run around like, ah. Maybe have a knife cock, too, 1830 01:20:32.659 --> 01:20:33.340 like from Seven. 1831 01:20:33.840 --> 01:20:36.840 Yeah, the white needle flying around with a sword like 1832 01:20:36.899 --> 01:20:38.399 a guitar or something like that. 1833 01:20:38.840 --> 01:20:41.819 Flapping it side to side against his thighs. 1834 01:20:42.260 --> 01:20:42.979 Some nunchucks. 1835 01:20:44.819 --> 01:20:47.989 Well, it feels like we're slowing down. Do we want 1836 01:20:48.010 --> 01:20:50.470 to bring anything else up before we do our reviews? 1837 01:20:51.329 --> 01:20:53.659 Do you have a favorite kill? or like gory because 1838 01:20:53.729 --> 01:20:55.710 it's like gory moments here but we do cut away 1839 01:20:55.750 --> 01:20:57.390 to a lot we see a lot of blood splatter 1840 01:20:57.430 --> 01:21:00.170 and not actual like wounds as much uh but i 1841 01:21:00.189 --> 01:21:01.729 thought it's still effective. 1842 01:21:01.829 --> 01:21:06.710 I would say venus yeah yeah i think the combination 1843 01:21:06.869 --> 01:21:09.590 of him like gutting her with the knife was pretty 1844 01:21:09.689 --> 01:21:12.350 visceral and brutal and then the way her body is 1845 01:21:12.390 --> 01:21:15.949 displayed um when they find her and she's like hung 1846 01:21:16.109 --> 01:21:19.090 up and the lighting is red and it's pretty horrifying 1847 01:21:19.109 --> 01:21:22.090 i like that a pretty good amount what about. 1848 01:21:21.949 --> 01:21:24.229 Y'all I like that, too. I

think that one hits 1849 01:21:24.250 --> 01:21:26.170 a good bit, because she was sort of like the 1850 01:21:26.210 --> 01:21:31.210 mother at sort of stand-in for the group, in a way. 1851 01:21:31.550 --> 01:21:36.550 The older matriarch. I love that actress. She was in 1852 01:21:36.590 --> 01:21:40.449 great shape. Her fucking arms are bigger than mine. 1853 01:21:40.609 --> 01:21:41.350 Meg Foster. 1854 01:21:41.850 --> 01:21:44.850 Yeah, she's in great shape. Yeah, she's awesome. She's got 1855 01:21:44.880 --> 01:21:47.859 zero body fat. Yeah, she was. She was one of 1856 01:21:47.880 --> 01:21:50.600 the witches. The bitches, I believe. Yeah, yeah. 1857 01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:54.260 As was Judy Beeson, who was one of the Aristocats. 1858 01:21:54.319 --> 01:21:55.659 I keep wanting to say Aristocats. 1859 01:21:56.199 --> 01:21:59.159 Yeah, nice. She was in a movie called Blind Fury 1860 01:21:59.199 --> 01:22:02.079 that I liked back in the day. Rutger Hauer plays 1861 01:22:02.119 --> 01:22:05.819 a blind, like, roaming samurai-esque white guy. I don't know 1862 01:22:05.840 --> 01:22:07.960 if that makes any sense, but he's in, like, L.A., 1863 01:22:08.020 --> 01:22:11.960 I think. And he gets into altercations and ends up 1864 01:22:12.000 --> 01:22:14.039 with her, I think, or something. I can't remember, but 1865 01:22:14.380 --> 01:22:16.479 that could be. And I'm thinking that she was also 1866 01:22:16.560 --> 01:22:17.920 in They Live. Yeah. 1867 01:22:18.380 --> 01:22:19.159 Oh, yeah, she was. 1868 01:22:19.760 --> 01:22:19.939 Yeah. 1869 01:22:20.659 --> 01:22:25.359 Um, I like the, I like the, the, uh, chainsaw kill. 1870 01:22:25.770 --> 01:22:27.590 I mean, that to me really sticks out the most. 1871 01:22:28.130 --> 01:22:30.529 Everything else didn't really affect me. I mean, it was like, cool. 1872 01:22:30.630 --> 01:22:31.890 It was like, it's a gory. 1873 01:22:31.949 --> 01:22:32.229 All right. 1874 01:22:32.449 --> 01:22:32.710 Awesome. 1875 01:22:32.750 --> 01:22:33.770 But that was pretty cool to me. 1876 01:22:34.270 --> 01:22:39.649 While I don't like, uh, I don't love, um, Levon's, um, death. 1877 01:22:39.810 --> 01:22:41.630 I do like what they did with his body. I 1878 01:22:41.670 --> 01:22:43.470 just felt that you flubbed it. Like I get what 1879 01:22:43.489 --> 01:22:45.930 you were going for and that could have been even better. 1880 01:22:46.449 --> 01:22:48.510 Had you not, you should have edited a little bit 1881 01:22:48.550 --> 01:22:51.010 differently and developed that scene. But I thought that could 1882 01:22:51.050 --> 01:22:53.829 have been a, it was a pretty cool reveal, you know? 1883 01:22:53.970 --> 01:22:56.090 Yeah, because they were there like three or four minutes later. 1884 01:22:56.729 --> 01:22:59.180 His buddy never puked up the food. He just kept 1885 01:22:59.239 --> 01:23:02.640 it inside. You notice that? Like everybody else puked once 1886 01:23:02.659 --> 01:23:04.979 they learned that they ate that guy. And then that 1887 01:23:05.000 --> 01:23:06.840 guy who was really hungry was like, no, I'm still 1888 01:23:06.859 --> 01:23:08.319 keeping them down inside. 1889 01:23:08.810 --> 01:23:10.810 I think that little moment was maybe a nod to 1890 01:23:10.850 --> 01:23:15.039 Rocky Horror. when they realize they're eating meatloaf. Frank pulls 1891 01:23:15.119 --> 01:23:18.800 the tablecloth off the table, and Eddie's, like, you know, 1892 01:23:19.100 --> 01:23:20.439 mangled body is under there. 1893 01:23:20.460 --> 01:23:21.819 Oh, I forgot about that. 1894 01:23:22.180 --> 01:23:24.630 Yeah. He's like, the meat is quite tender, don't you think? 1895 01:23:24.670 --> 01:23:28.069 Or something like that. Oh, that's exactly what it is then. Yeah. 1896 01:23:28.109 --> 01:23:29.789 And here I thought Rob had an original thought. 1897 01:23:30.710 --> 01:23:34.109 He would do anything for love, but he won't do that. 1898 01:23:34.550 --> 01:23:36.489 Which is anal. That's what they're talking about. 1899 01:23:36.689 --> 01:23:37.510 Yeah, I think so. 1900 01:23:38.170 --> 01:23:38.369 Yeah. 1901 01:23:39.310 --> 01:23:39.449 Oh. 1902 01:23:40.060 --> 01:23:40.420 All right. 1903 01:23:40.899 --> 01:23:41.060 Well. 1904 01:23:41.630 --> 01:23:42.729 Are we ready to review? 1905 01:23:43.810 --> 01:23:45.770 I think so. Mine's kind of short and sweet. 1906 01:23:46.130 --> 01:23:48.689 Okay. John be short and sweet. All right. 1907 01:23:49.529 --> 01:23:52.010 Um, you guys talked me up on this movie. 1908 01:23:52.489 --> 01:23:54.449 Uh, what did I talk you up on it? 1909 01:23:54.449 --> 01:23:57.329 No, both of you guys did. I mean, there are 1910 01:23:57.430 --> 01:24:00.840 certain things in here that are actually, you know, Rob 1911 01:24:00.880 --> 01:24:05.720 zombie showing his chops as a director. My biggest problem 1912 01:24:06.539 --> 01:24:11.010 is his, you know, um, consolidation of being able to 1913 01:24:11.090 --> 01:24:15.109 write a script and, you know, because I don't know 1914 01:24:15.689 --> 01:24:19.970 if you agree, Heidelberg, but like the script really kind 1915 01:24:19.989 --> 01:24:23.189 of hurt it for me. Jacqueline, maybe you too. Like 1916 01:24:23.310 --> 01:24:27.300 it just, it felt childish. It felt like a teenage, 1917 01:24:27.979 --> 01:24:32.220 some junior in high school just got a creative writing 1918 01:24:32.260 --> 01:24:35.439 class and says, write me a script for a horror movie. 1919 01:24:35.899 --> 01:24:40.020 I like Rob's idea of what flirtation sounds like. hey, fuckbag, 1920 01:24:40.439 --> 01:24:43.560 I like that dong swinging you got there. Ooh, hey, 1921 01:24:43.779 --> 01:24:46.460 that's a wet pussy. Come over here and sit on 1922 01:24:46.500 --> 01:24:47.199 this dick. 1923 01:24:47.539 --> 01:24:50.699 Yeah, no shit. I mean, and, you know, that's always 1924 01:24:50.739 --> 01:24:54.909 been my problem with Rob Zombie movies is that it's

1925 01:24:55.069 --> 01:24:59.829 very amateurish. It's just like, okay, some creative writing teenager 1926 01:24:59.890 --> 01:25:04.090 was able to put this together, get a collaborator, get 1927 01:25:04.130 --> 01:25:07.260 somebody that really can, you know, kind of reel you 1928 01:25:07.359 --> 01:25:10.020 in a little bit and say, Hey man, maybe try this. 1929 01:25:10.760 --> 01:25:14.020 Not to say like, get rid of your creative, your 1930 01:25:14.460 --> 01:25:18.319 artistic view, because you guys are right. You know, aesthetically, 1931 01:25:18.359 --> 01:25:21.279 it looked really good. I think to me, it didn't 1932 01:25:21.319 --> 01:25:24.140 land with some of the screen fades and some of 1933 01:25:24.180 --> 01:25:26.399 the pausing and some of this and some of that, 1934 01:25:26.899 --> 01:25:29.859 but it's, it's okay. What, And do you guys have 1935 01:25:29.920 --> 01:25:32.680 the scores pulled up for Three from Hell? 1936 01:25:33.720 --> 01:25:34.800 I can in two seconds. 1937 01:25:35.380 --> 01:25:36.659 Okay. 1938 01:25:36.760 --> 01:25:39.600 Scores. Three from Hell. Yes. John, do you want to 1939 01:25:39.619 --> 01:25:40.350 know what you gave it? 1940 01:25:40.850 --> 01:25:41.350 Yes, please. 1941 01:25:41.529 --> 01:25:43.109 You gave Three from Hell a four. 1942 01:25:43.649 --> 01:25:48.210 Okay. I'm actually going to... I like the actors. I 1943 01:25:48.229 --> 01:25:49.289 didn't like the acting. 1944 01:25:49.789 --> 01:25:50.069 Okay. 1945 01:25:50.489 --> 01:25:51.170 Does that make sense? 1946 01:25:51.430 --> 01:25:51.670 Yes. 1947 01:25:53.409 --> 01:25:57.500 Malcolm McDowell was the weakest character in this movie. he 1948 01:25:57.520 --> 01:26:00.119 just played kind of an announcer and it was dumb. 1949 01:26:00.149 --> 01:26:02.229 I mean, it was just, it's just like, you know, 1950 01:26:02.270 --> 01:26:05.710 he did maybe two hours of work and did all 1951 01:26:05.750 --> 01:26:08.609 his lines and left, you know, as a, as a 1952 01:26:08.670 --> 01:26:14.840 deputy or a aristocrat, I will say cat too. Yes. 1953 01:26:14.979 --> 01:26:16.239 He sounded just like that. 1954 01:26:17.159 --> 01:26:19.979 Um, it was almost as memorable a role as that. 1955 01:26:20.539 --> 01:26:26.250 Yeah, exactly. Right. Um, No, I don't hate this movie 1956 01:26:26.289 --> 01:26:29.130 as much as I thought. I do really dislike Three 1957 01:26:29.149 --> 01:26:32.930 from Hell. I'm not looking forward to doing the Halloween 1958 01:26:32.989 --> 01:26:35.880 movies with Rob Zombie, but guys, I'm going to come 1959 01:26:35.909 --> 01:26:40.539 up a little bit. I'm going to go 4.5 out 1960 01:26:40.699 --> 01:26:42.979 of 10. Juicy, juicy. 1961 01:26:47.119 --> 01:26:50.079 Okay, I like that. That makes me chuckle. All right, 1962 01:26:50.420 --> 01:26:53.340 Hydra Head. Give us a killer review. 1963 01:26:53.909 --> 01:26:56.800 Yeah, you know, I don't know if I'm conflicted here, 1964 01:26:56.819 --> 01:27:00.460 because I do think there are moments of, like you said, 1965 01:27:00.560 --> 01:27:04.380 teenage cringiness, but also there's moments of, like, greatness, too. 1966 01:27:05.619 --> 01:27:08.840 With all his films, I'm always conflicted. I can never 1967 01:27:08.880 --> 01:27:12.119 just trash them outright, to be honest, because I see 1968 01:27:12.140 --> 01:27:13.899 what he wants to do with them, but I just 1969 01:27:13.939 --> 01:27:16.819 wish I could just help him a little bit. There's 1970 01:27:16.840 --> 01:27:19.539 some great cinematography, honestly, in this, I thought. I loved 1971 01:27:19.979 --> 01:27:23.420 some of the shots he pulls off. I thought the lighting... 1972 01:27:23.520 --> 01:27:26.840 and his use of color saturation and or desaturation at 1973 01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:32.300 moments was really good at times. And it wasn't just 1974 01:27:32.359 --> 01:27:35.699 all gimmicky mood-setting stuff. It felt right in most of 1975 01:27:35.720 --> 01:27:39.630 the scenes for what he was going for. Except that 1976 01:27:39.729 --> 01:27:42.489 kill scene, the scene where Sex is trying to kill, 1977 01:27:43.369 --> 01:27:45.250 what's his name, Roscoe. I almost had a seizure, the 1978 01:27:45.470 --> 01:27:48.050 amount of flashing. That scene was going on too long. 1979 01:27:48.069 --> 01:27:48.729 With the strobe lights? 1980 01:27:49.130 --> 01:27:50.789 Yeah, if you have a scene with strobe lights, you 1981 01:27:50.810 --> 01:27:53.960 can't have it five minutes. You need to cut away from, like, 1982 01:27:53.979 --> 01:27:55.819 people can't look at that shit too long, it hurts 1983 01:27:55.840 --> 01:27:59.359 your fucking brain, like, it's just not, yeah, and it's not, like, 1984 01:27:59.380 --> 01:28:02.180 we're not getting good glimpses, it, I like it, it's effective, 1985 01:28:02.220 --> 01:28:04.750 but then, like, you can't really see the actress as well, 1986 01:28:04.829 --> 01:28:07.869 and it just, it kind of takes away from the situation, 1987 01:28:07.909 --> 01:28:11.010 I don't, I don't know, it was long in the tooth, uh, 1988 01:28:11.069 --> 01:28:13.609 he actually uses the camera to build tension, though, in 1989 01:28:13.630 --> 01:28:16.029 this one that I, I did appreciate, I don't, I 1990 01:28:16.050 --> 01:28:17.390 don't think he does that as well in some of 1991 01:28:17.430 --> 01:28:20.260 his other films, he, he does here and there, but, um, 1992 01:28:20.810 --> 01:28:21.289 Maybe I'm wrong. 1993 01:28:21.350 --> 01:28:21.609 I don't know. 1994 01:28:21.630 --> 01:28:23.069 It's been a while since I've seen some of his 1995 01:28:23.130 --> 01:28:23.470 other films. 1996 01:28:23.489 --> 01:28:25.569 It's been a while. It's been a while. 1997 01:28:25.630 --> 01:28:27.880 There's some good gore here, too. At least the kills 1998 01:28:27.939 --> 01:28:31.350 and stuff. You know, maybe there's the chopped off head 1999 01:28:31.350 --> 01:28:33.939 and stuff like

that. You don't stare at the gore 2000 01:28:33.939 --> 01:28:36.720 as much, so you don't see like the actual artwork 2001 01:28:36.779 --> 01:28:38.720 as much maybe that you might want to see but 2002 01:28:39.159 --> 01:28:41.340 you know the blood splattering is really good and I 2003 01:28:41.380 --> 01:28:43.859 like the killing it's effective for what you want in 2004 01:28:43.899 --> 01:28:47.119 this kind of film I also I like most the 2005 01:28:47.159 --> 01:28:50.430 costuming and the props I thought were pretty cool they 2006 01:28:50.470 --> 01:28:52.409 look the weapons that they were given like when they 2007 01:28:52.449 --> 01:28:55.670 wake up and stuff look cool and they didn't all 2008 01:28:55.689 --> 01:28:57.590 look like they're fake you know they look kind of 2009 01:28:58.069 --> 01:29:00.930 heavy and the actors were holding them pretty cool. 2010 01:29:01.029 --> 01:29:04.130 Uh but did anybody have a pimped out tire. 2011 01:29:03.869 --> 01:29:06.069 Iron no i didn't see a pimped out tire that 2012 01:29:06.090 --> 01:29:08.569 would have been a nice nod towards episode 63 no 2013 01:29:08.750 --> 01:29:11.409 i just i don't know what episode that is um 2014 01:29:11.939 --> 01:29:14.159 but i i enjoyed the setting too i thought it 2015 01:29:14.199 --> 01:29:16.520 was a cool place to shoot a film honestly like 2016 01:29:17.079 --> 01:29:19.500 being there and uh it didn't look like a set 2017 01:29:19.939 --> 01:29:22.640 like at a hollywood a set it looked like a 2018 01:29:22.659 --> 01:29:25.890 real place that they rented um yeah It gave natural 2019 01:29:25.949 --> 01:29:28.270 darkness to the scenes that I liked, actually. If you 2020 01:29:28.310 --> 01:29:29.729 have a cat and mouse film, I feel like this 2021 01:29:29.789 --> 01:29:33.119 is the kind of place that it's good for. You 2022 01:29:33.140 --> 01:29:35.220 can do it in other places, like a building too, 2023 01:29:35.279 --> 01:29:38.479 like maybe a complex or some shit, but house. But 2024 01:29:38.939 --> 01:29:40.859 it works well here for this kind of film where 2025 01:29:40.880 --> 01:29:43.449 you have these killers coming out of the darkness to 2026 01:29:44.029 --> 01:29:46.850 come after them. And they have moments where the place 2027 01:29:46.890 --> 01:29:49.170 is getting locked off and you can't go back that way. 2028 01:29:49.229 --> 01:29:52.079 So I kind of like that. I thought the score 2029 01:29:52.119 --> 01:29:54.659 was the original score was pretty good and the needle 2030 01:29:54.680 --> 01:29:57.680 drops were not bad. Maybe not as memorable as his 2031 01:29:57.720 --> 01:30:01.010 other films, but they're pretty good. I thought it had 2032 01:30:01.020 --> 01:30:05.630 a good cast. I actually enjoyed like it's weird. It's hard. 2033 01:30:05.649 --> 01:30:08.369 It's like I enjoyed the acting and I like the 2034 01:30:08.409 --> 01:30:11.350 characters well enough, but also I don't like there's so 2035 01:30:11.369 --> 01:30:13.390 there's moments to them that I thought were good. There's 2036 01:30:13.449 --> 01:30:16.460 moments of writing that I think works and dialogue. And 2037 01:30:16.479 --> 01:30:18.460 then there's moments where it just dips and you lose me. 2038 01:30:18.989 --> 01:30:21.770 And the characters just feel like they're Swiss cheese. They 2039 01:30:21.810 --> 01:30:26.720 don't have enough there. I felt like... I don't know. 2040 01:30:26.800 --> 01:30:29.699 More than usual, though, these were the more likable of 2041 01:30:29.760 --> 01:30:32.380 the normal characters that I've gotten in some of his films, 2042 01:30:32.420 --> 01:30:35.239 I guess. I did like the radio friends that we 2043 01:30:35.279 --> 01:30:38.770 had in Salem as well, like her friends that worked 2044 01:30:38.789 --> 01:30:41.550 at the radio station. I thought they felt natural as well. 2045 01:30:42.949 --> 01:30:45.529 And so, you know, maybe the characters aren't as fleshed out, 2046 01:30:45.569 --> 01:30:47.310 but I thought the actors were trying to portray a 2047 01:30:47.369 --> 01:30:50.810 group that had some kind of like camaraderie even though 2048 01:30:50.850 --> 01:30:54.449 there's nothing you know there's no history built um i've 2049 01:30:54.489 --> 01:30:56.710 seen sherry play and i you know like i prefer 2050 01:30:56.750 --> 01:30:59.810 her i think in you know she's great as baby 2051 01:31:00.369 --> 01:31:03.619 in a way like that's a role for her that 2052 01:31:03.699 --> 01:31:06.039 works really well it's like a harley quinn kind of 2053 01:31:06.060 --> 01:31:08.920 vibe for her uh but i i don't like that 2054 01:31:09.100 --> 01:31:11.300 that's all she really did you know so like i 2055 01:31:11.460 --> 01:31:14.289 i like to see her in this play elements of that. 2056 01:31:14.430 --> 01:31:16.590 Like when she has to go into survival mode, she 2057 01:31:16.649 --> 01:31:20.390 has a little bit of that badass that works. Badassery. 2058 01:31:20.449 --> 01:31:22.789 But I would have liked to see her as more 2059 01:31:22.810 --> 01:31:24.810 of the survivor in the beginning too. They're like, show me. 2060 01:31:24.989 --> 01:31:27.890 She's not really that type of girl it feels like 2061 01:31:27.930 --> 01:31:30.250 in the beginning. And then when we get there later, 2062 01:31:30.270 --> 01:31:32.310 it's like, oh, I didn't see that transition. I did 2063 01:31:32.350 --> 01:31:36.760 like her garb though. Like her, that lioness top that 2064 01:31:36.800 --> 01:31:39.380 she had, it was hot. And it looked really cool. 2065 01:31:39.859 --> 01:31:44.359 It was a cool find. I don't know. I thought actually, 2066 01:31:44.380 --> 01:31:46.899 you know, I, I don't know. There's a, there's an 2067 01:31:46.960 --> 01:31:49.180 actually a really good movie somewhere here, but it's just, 2068 01:31:49.460 --> 01:31:53.260 it's covered in slop and I can see glimpses of it. Um, 2069 01:31:53.840 --> 01:31:55.720

and that's just kind of Rob Zombie for you. You know, 2070 01:31:55.739 --> 01:31:58.460 you just always given us like the tip, uh, and 2071 01:31:58.520 --> 01:32:01.920 that the rest of it, you know, uh, some cons though, 2072 01:32:01.939 --> 01:32:06.550 this film feels disjointed and inconsistent. Uh, the story is just, 2073 01:32:06.729 --> 01:32:10.560 I don't know. Um, There are moments of, I don't know, here, there, there, 2074 01:32:10.579 --> 01:32:13.039 just the film feels like there's moments that work, but 2075 01:32:13.500 --> 01:32:16.439 moments that just don't. It's not a dumb premise, honestly, 2076 01:32:16.520 --> 01:32:19.529 but the idea of like 31 and these groups of 2077 01:32:19.590 --> 01:32:23.270 people that perform it and observe it, they couldn't be 2078 01:32:23.350 --> 01:32:26.550 any more different than one another, and also different than 2079 01:32:26.590 --> 01:32:28.670 our group, too. So it just, it feels like a 2080 01:32:28.710 --> 01:32:32.609 hodgepodge of these sort of characters. Like the people watching 2081 01:32:32.630 --> 01:32:36.840 the pub feel disconnected from the killers that they're you know, 2082 01:32:37.000 --> 01:32:39.520 paying to do the thing. And maybe it's supposed to 2083 01:32:39.539 --> 01:32:42.880 be a commentary on, like, socialism and stuff like that. Yeah, 2084 01:32:42.939 --> 01:32:47.140 social status. But it just feels weird. Like, these aristocrats 2085 01:32:47.220 --> 01:32:50.640 just feel misplaced, too. I don't know. I don't know 2086 01:32:50.659 --> 01:32:53.159 what he's saying here. The elites, I guess, you know? 2087 01:32:53.729 --> 01:32:53.899 Sure. 2088 01:32:53.930 --> 01:32:55.710 The elites being Satanists, maybe? 2089 01:32:55.729 --> 01:32:56.270 Maybe. 2090 01:32:56.289 --> 01:33:01.670 Okay, I'm following you there, Rob. Anyway, the dialogue, too, 2091 01:33:01.729 --> 01:33:04.390 is just some of the worst I've seen in his film. 2092 01:33:04.590 --> 01:33:07.640 Except for, like, the opener. And like, there's other moments 2093 01:33:08.140 --> 01:33:11.220 that there's monologuing moments where like, Oh, that was a 2094 01:33:11.239 --> 01:33:14.319 good line. Oh, that was Shakespearean in a moment there. 2095 01:33:14.340 --> 01:33:15.859 And then you went and then you dipped and said 2096 01:33:15.880 --> 01:33:18.409 the word contract after. And it just felt like, where 2097 01:33:18.449 --> 01:33:21.550 are we going here? Like, well, I like, it's like Tourette's. 2098 01:33:21.569 --> 01:33:23.789 Like you just can't help yourself from putting in a, like, 2099 01:33:23.949 --> 01:33:26.069 what are we missing here? Oh, we need a fuck. No, you, 2100 01:33:26.229 --> 01:33:31.979 you actually don't Rob. You don't. Um, yeah. Uh, the dialogue, 2101 01:33:32.069 --> 01:33:35.069 like I said, it's just, it's not memorable. Um, And 2102 01:33:35.090 --> 01:33:37.390 there's no Halloween vibes at all in a movie called 2103 01:33:37.390 --> 01:33:40.250 31 that's supposedly based around, I don't know, what is 2104 01:33:40.270 --> 01:33:42.949 the 31 even? What is it? It takes place on 2105 01:33:42.970 --> 01:33:46.300 the 31st. Or it takes place on the 30th and 2106 01:33:46.340 --> 01:33:48.920 then the 31st is the day that she gets to live, right? 2107 01:33:49.399 --> 01:33:51.800 No, it said that it was Halloween. I'm pretty sure 2108 01:33:51.840 --> 01:33:54.760 at the beginning. I thought it said Halloween. I thought 2109 01:33:54.779 --> 01:33:55.979 it said October 31st, 1976. 2110 01:33:55.979 --> 01:33:59.390 Oh, because I just assumed that, yeah, okay, it takes 2111 01:33:59.399 --> 01:34:01.130 place on Halloween. That makes sense because that's what you 2112 01:34:01.149 --> 01:34:04.590 want to do on Halloween is, bang hookers and watch Nosferatu. 2113 01:34:04.789 --> 01:34:06.810 That makes sense. Yeah. Or that could have been his 2114 01:34:06.829 --> 01:34:07.609 ramp up too. 2115 01:34:07.649 --> 01:34:09.210 Sounds good to me, but yeah. 2116 01:34:09.850 --> 01:34:13.050 Anyway, I don't know what that said. I'm giving Rob 2117 01:34:13.069 --> 01:34:16.170 zombies 31. I'm conflicted. So I'm going to give it 2118 01:34:16.510 --> 01:34:17.810 a 5.75. I'm going to try and give it a 2119 01:34:17.850 --> 01:34:20.520 six out of 10 aristocats. 2120 01:34:21.319 --> 01:34:23.479 Aristocats. That's funny. 2121 01:34:24.859 --> 01:34:25.340 I don't know. 2122 01:34:25.460 --> 01:34:27.199 It's a middle of the road kind of film in 2123 01:34:27.220 --> 01:34:29.119 a way, but I liked it in a way too. 2124 01:34:29.159 --> 01:34:29.520 I don't know. 2125 01:34:29.880 --> 01:34:31.060 Jacqueline, give us your thoughts. 2126 01:34:31.600 --> 01:34:34.279 Well, first I want to say Hydra Berg. I made 2127 01:34:34.359 --> 01:34:37.359 a reference to the pimped out tire iron and you 2128 01:34:37.380 --> 01:34:39.659 were like, Whoa, what a callback from episode 63 or 2129 01:34:39.840 --> 01:34:42.920 whatever it was. I just checked. It was episode 63. 2130 01:34:42.920 --> 01:34:43.350 Oh, was it? 2131 01:34:43.479 --> 01:34:43.800 No way. 2132 01:34:43.819 --> 01:34:46.720 It was, it was episode 63. You were dead on. 2133 01:34:47.439 --> 01:34:49.279 It wasn't prom night. It was sorority row, right? 2134 01:34:49.680 --> 01:34:49.920 Yes. 2135 01:34:50.340 --> 01:34:53.779 Yeah. Yeah. That was episode 63. That was amazing. 2136 01:34:53.840 --> 01:34:54.380 Holy shit. 2137 01:34:55.600 --> 01:34:56.140 I'm just saying. 2138 01:34:56.199 --> 01:34:58.000 I'm going to play the lotto. I'm going to write 2139 01:34:58.079 --> 01:35:00.020 a movie called 63. 2140 01:35:00.020 --> 01:35:02.239 For no reason. And then it's the, The movie will 2141 01:35:02.260 --> 01:35:04.300 have nothing at all to do with the nippers. 2142 01:35:05.430 --> 01:35:05.779 No. 2143 01:35:06.710 --> 01:35:10.489 That was really funny. Okay. 63 bloodlines. Oh, no. That 2144 01:35:10.970 -->

01:35:13.449 would be the sequel, right? So it would be 31, 32, 2145 01:35:13.449 --> 01:35:14.859 and then 63. 2146 01:35:14.850 --> 01:35:15.529 We just jumped to 63. 2147 01:35:15.529 --> 01:35:15.770 Oh, no. 2148 01:35:15.810 --> 01:35:17.069 Oh, God. This is terrible. Okay. 2149 01:35:17.069 --> 01:35:17.909 31 times. 2150 01:35:17.930 --> 01:35:18.510 No, 93. I'm sorry. 2151 01:35:31.840 --> 01:35:32.760 I don't know. I'm confused. 2152 01:35:34.239 --> 01:35:36.420 Just make the movie called 63 and don't explain why. 2153 01:35:36.439 --> 01:35:37.239 Make it make sense. 2154 01:35:37.260 --> 01:35:41.239 Yeah. Hydroberg, I actually agree with most of what you said, 2155 01:35:42.520 --> 01:35:46.359 particularly your prose. I agree with you about some really 2156 01:35:46.399 --> 01:35:50.460 nice style choices, some really nice cinematography, some really cool sets. 2157 01:35:50.880 --> 01:35:53.479 I think there's a lot of really fun stuff to 2158 01:35:53.539 --> 01:35:57.119 look at in this movie. I think the costumes are 2159 01:35:57.720 --> 01:36:03.250 often great. I actually really like the setting of like 2160 01:36:03.289 --> 01:36:07.510 the aristocrats level how they have that sort of like 2161 01:36:07.949 --> 01:36:11.470 french rococo look to them with the big powdered wigs 2162 01:36:11.689 --> 01:36:17.569 and the um the gilded ornate palatial type of setting 2163 01:36:17.640 --> 01:36:21.460 where they're kind of watching the watching the game from 2164 01:36:21.520 --> 01:36:24.920 afar i actually really like that but like you said 2165 01:36:24.960 --> 01:36:27.899 heidelberg i wish they were less disconnected from the action 2166 01:36:28.060 --> 01:36:30.300 i wish i felt like they had like They were 2167 01:36:30.439 --> 01:36:33.199 maybe pulling some levers. Maybe they're watching the game and 2168 01:36:33.220 --> 01:36:37.359 they pull something and this doorway slams shut. Or they 2169 01:36:37.380 --> 01:36:41.010 pull this thing and a bridge drops out. Some input 2170 01:36:41.050 --> 01:36:43.989 in the game, some involvement would have been interesting. But 2171 01:36:44.590 --> 01:36:47.069 it feels like we just get dropped into this game 2172 01:36:47.130 --> 01:36:49.930 and we don't know who these aristocrats are. We don't 2173 01:36:49.970 --> 01:36:52.390 know why they do this game every year. It just 2174 01:36:52.789 --> 01:36:56.319 feels very sudden. I'm not saying anything about what is 2175 01:36:56.460 --> 01:36:59.420 there has to be different. I just feel like it 2176 01:36:59.479 --> 01:37:03.850 feels like it's just very sudden. And John, you were 2177 01:37:03.890 --> 01:37:05.909 saying this kind of feels like a film student or 2178 01:37:05.970 --> 01:37:10.670 a teenager making a movie. To me, it almost feels 2179 01:37:10.689 --> 01:37:13.869 like Spider-1 syndrome. I almost feel like Rob forgot to 2180 01:37:13.930 --> 01:37:17.529 finish the idea. It feels like a rough draft where

2181 01:37:17.550 --> 01:37:20.020 you're just getting the first idea down on paper, but 2182 01:37:20.039 --> 01:37:22.699 you're going to tinker with it later and do a 2183 01:37:22.720 --> 01:37:27.029 few revisions of it. But the story feels a little underbaked. 2184 01:37:27.470 --> 01:37:29.510 Maybe I'm at odds with you guys on this, but 2185 01:37:29.649 --> 01:37:32.300 I don't think the story is convoluted or disjointed. I 2186 01:37:32.319 --> 01:37:34.880 feel like there just isn't much of a story. All 2187 01:37:34.899 --> 01:37:38.340 we know is these circus performers are trapped in this 2188 01:37:38.399 --> 01:37:41.420 game and they have to survive 12 hours. And that's 2189 01:37:41.460 --> 01:37:44.359 really the whole premise. And so how does that play out? 2190 01:37:44.899 --> 01:37:47.060 It's really just like a lot of running and hiding 2191 01:37:47.520 --> 01:37:50.550 for most of the movie. It's not really that different 2192 01:37:50.590 --> 01:37:54.189 from those scenes in Rob Zombie's Halloween. where characters are 2193 01:37:54.250 --> 01:37:59.710 hiding in the bathroom from Michael Myers. A lot of 2194 01:37:59.729 --> 01:38:05.840 the action feels repetitive and not really narratively driven. And so, 2195 01:38:06.460 --> 01:38:09.199 like I said before, particularly in the first half or so, 2196 01:38:09.359 --> 01:38:12.640 I find myself getting bored. So that's a bummer. I 2197 01:38:12.659 --> 01:38:16.630 already did my diatribe about the characters. But other pros 2198 01:38:17.050 --> 01:38:21.479 would include, I do like... The actors, I think most 2199 01:38:21.500 --> 01:38:25.300 of them do a really good job. I particularly really 2200 01:38:25.359 --> 01:38:28.430 like Richard Brake. I feel like he kind of saves 2201 01:38:28.470 --> 01:38:32.500 the movie. Until he came back as Doomhead, I was 2202 01:38:32.560 --> 01:38:35.699 ready to give this movie like a four. That's about 2203 01:38:35.739 --> 01:38:37.939 where I was getting ready to land, like at most. 2204 01:38:38.279 --> 01:38:42.279 But when he comes back, there's something about him that 2205 01:38:42.420 --> 01:38:47.119 feels like he is personally invested in this somehow. Like, 2206 01:38:47.649 --> 01:38:49.949 I feel like we are seeing more of who he 2207 01:38:50.149 --> 01:38:52.949 is as a person, as a human, than any of 2208 01:38:52.989 --> 01:38:55.609 the other killers. And maybe even more than any of 2209 01:38:55.670 --> 01:38:58.949 the victims, any of the protagonists. I don't know. There's 2210 01:38:58.989 --> 01:39:00.970 just something about him that I feel like grounds the 2211 01:39:00.989 --> 01:39:04.350 movie a little bit. But I do find him to 2212 01:39:04.409 --> 01:39:12.300 be menacing, fascinating, scary, kind of badass, but also disgusting 2213 01:39:12.340 --> 01:39:17.369 and repulsive. But I do think that he pulls the 2214 01:39:17.409 --> 01:39:20.220 movie back from the brink for me. I feel like 2215

01:39:20.279 --> 01:39:23.760 I'm much more tuned in as he's kind of playing 2216 01:39:23.779 --> 01:39:30.220 cat and mouse with Charlie and Roscoe. And Venus, actually. So, 2217 01:39:30.239 --> 01:39:33.039 I don't know. He does a lot to kind of 2218 01:39:33.579 --> 01:39:37.409 change the tide a little on my feelings about this movie. So, 2219 01:39:38.550 --> 01:39:40.310 let's see. I'm just looking at my notes to see 2220 01:39:40.369 --> 01:39:44.119 if there was anything else. Oh. When the time runs 2221 01:39:44.279 --> 01:39:48.470 out on Doomhead and Charlie and he did not kill 2222 01:39:48.510 --> 01:39:51.670 her in time, I actually found myself a little disappointed. 2223 01:39:51.689 --> 01:39:54.210 And I am pretty sure that's not how Rob wanted 2224 01:39:54.229 --> 01:39:56.689 me to feel. I don't know. I feel like you're 2225 01:39:56.710 --> 01:39:58.479 not supposed to be disappointed in that moment. I feel 2226 01:39:58.489 --> 01:40:01.060 like you're supposed to be relieved for her. And I'm 2227 01:40:01.100 --> 01:40:03.840 not at all. I would have been happier, honestly, if 2228 01:40:03.859 --> 01:40:06.159 they all just died within the 12 hours of the game. 2229 01:40:06.800 --> 01:40:09.739 Or if she had done something really spectacular to earn 2230 01:40:10.239 --> 01:40:12.649 her survival. But like I said, I don't feel like 2231 01:40:12.670 --> 01:40:14.609 she does do anything special. I feel like she won 2232 01:40:14.649 --> 01:40:17.239 the game by doing what she did throughout the whole movie. 2233 01:40:17.260 --> 01:40:20.680 It was just like running out the clock. And so 2234 01:40:20.779 --> 01:40:22.619 to me, that felt like a letdown. It felt almost 2235 01:40:22.659 --> 01:40:25.300 like a cheat. Like she didn't actually win the game. 2236 01:40:25.359 --> 01:40:27.619 It kind of, she kind of like default, like by 2237 01:40:27.689 --> 01:40:30.369 default won the game, but I don't think she really 2238 01:40:30.409 --> 01:40:33.149 did anything impressive. So I don't know. That just feels 2239 01:40:33.170 --> 01:40:35.970 like a cheat. And then for him to go back after, 2240 01:40:35.989 --> 01:40:38.090 I agree with you, Heiderberg. I think it would have 2241 01:40:38.109 --> 01:40:39.649 been just much better if we had seen the van 2242 01:40:39.670 --> 01:40:42.470 approaching her from behind. So I don't know. I don't 2243 01:40:42.569 --> 01:40:44.449 hate this movie as much as I thought I was 2244 01:40:44.489 --> 01:40:47.229 going to based on my memories of the movie. I 2245 01:40:47.310 --> 01:40:50.409 did have a good time with it in like the final, 2246 01:40:50.710 --> 01:40:54.770 the third act, mostly because of Richard Brake. But also 2247 01:40:54.800 --> 01:40:57.180 I do have to say I liked Venus' kill and 2248 01:40:57.239 --> 01:41:00.000 I did kind of like that tender moment between Roscoe 2249 01:41:00.119 --> 01:41:04.359 and Charlie. But at the end of it, I don't 2250 01:41:04.399 --> 01:41:07.460 feel like I really got anything from this movie. It's 2251 01:41:07.520 --> 01:41:09.739 not one that I'm like, oh yeah, now I want 2252 01:41:09.760 --> 01:41:12.460 to throw it on again next year. I wish there 2253 01:41:12.479 --> 01:41:14.399 were more Halloween vibes to it. If you're going to 2254 01:41:14.420 --> 01:41:16.319 make a point of setting it on Halloween, it has 2255 01:41:16.340 --> 01:41:18.539 to have Halloween vibes. There's no reason for it to 2256 01:41:18.579 --> 01:41:20.239 be on Halloween otherwise. 2257 01:41:20.680 --> 01:41:22.960 But why are they putting it in the desert too? 2258 01:41:23.140 --> 01:41:24.500 That's crazy to me. 2259 01:41:24.960 --> 01:41:27.819 Well, I mean, they're probably shooting in California and there's 2260 01:41:27.840 --> 01:41:30.840 a lot of desert in California. I don't know, but 2261 01:41:31.560 --> 01:41:35.699 the movie just kind of feels unfinished. It feels strangely 2262 01:41:35.800 --> 01:41:39.479 empty to me. Um, there are some enjoyable parts primarily 2263 01:41:39.520 --> 01:41:41.640 at the end, but overall, I don't know. It just 2264 01:41:41.659 --> 01:41:44.800 feels like a little hollow. I don't know. So I 2265 01:41:44.880 --> 01:41:49.619 think I'm going to give 31. I think I agree 2266 01:41:49.680 --> 01:41:51.720 with John. I think I'm going to give this a 4.5 2267 01:41:51.720 --> 01:41:56.329 out of 10 juicy, juicy. That's what I'm gonna do. Yep. 2268 01:41:56.789 --> 01:41:57.189 Well done. 2269 01:41:57.649 --> 01:41:59.949 Thanks. Hydra Berg. I bet you didn't think you were 2270 01:41:59.970 --> 01:42:01.689 going to come in as the highest score. Did you? 2271 01:42:02.210 --> 01:42:04.779 I did not. No. But I wasn't sure where I 2272 01:42:04.779 --> 01:42:05.340 was going to come in. 2273 01:42:05.579 --> 01:42:05.899 I don't know. 2274 01:42:05.979 --> 01:42:08.770 I might have rated this a little higher than I deserves. 2275 01:42:08.890 --> 01:42:12.649 But I did find that my second going, I was like, hey, 2276 01:42:12.670 --> 01:42:14.850 I don't feel as harsh on this film as I 2277 01:42:14.869 --> 01:42:16.739 did the first time. I know that I think because 2278 01:42:16.760 --> 01:42:18.840 the first time you're like, oh, this is not that good. 2279 01:42:19.920 --> 01:42:21.789 I knew that coming in this time. So I kind of, 2280 01:42:21.819 --> 01:42:23.439 I think I, I think I got, I was able 2281 01:42:23.460 --> 01:42:26.039 to see the little bit of, you know, because you 2282 01:42:26.060 --> 01:42:28.090 get these elements of sort of brilliance in a way 2283 01:42:28.479 --> 01:42:31.409 with Rob Zombie. I know some people would disagree totally, 2284 01:42:31.449 --> 01:42:34.449 but some people see true brilliance in his films. Like, 2285 01:42:34.529 --> 01:42:37.390 and I can't see that. I'm sorry, but, but I see, 2286 01:42:37.409 --> 01:42:39.289 I see a lot what he's going for. And with 2287

01:42:39.310 --> 01:42:42.380 this film, it felt another, it's like another project that 2288 01:42:42.420 --> 01:42:44.300 just feels like, I don't know, you could have just 2289 01:42:44.319 --> 01:42:47.000 tried or, you know, sat on the egg a little 2290 01:42:47.039 --> 01:42:47.420 bit longer. 2291 01:42:48.380 --> 01:42:52.279 For me, I want to put something out there. If 2292 01:42:52.319 --> 01:42:55.520 we ever do a re-review of something, I would like 2293 01:42:55.560 --> 01:42:59.199 to bring back Devil's Rejects. 2294 01:43:00.079 --> 01:43:03.060 If we're ever going to re-review a film, we're going 2295 01:43:03.079 --> 01:43:05.729 to re-review a Rob Zombie film? 2296 01:43:07.050 --> 01:43:11.449 I'm just saying, to me, I would probably be so 2297 01:43:11.529 --> 01:43:12.390 much more. 2298 01:43:12.409 --> 01:43:14.689 You could always change your score on the spreadsheet without 2299 01:43:14.729 --> 01:43:16.670 us having to do an entire two-hour episode. 2300 01:43:18.020 --> 01:43:19.800 I'm saying in a couple of years, Hydrobert. 2301 01:43:19.819 --> 01:43:21.890 I don't know where I'm going to be in life 2302 01:43:21.979 --> 01:43:23.270 in a couple of years, John. I don't want to 2303 01:43:23.310 --> 01:43:25.670 have to hold an episode of Rob Zombie over my 2304 01:43:25.710 --> 01:43:27.920 head thinking that that's what the future holds for me. 2305 01:43:27.949 --> 01:43:29.949 Are you saying you might not be on the podcast? 2306 01:43:29.970 --> 01:43:32.350 No, I'm saying that there's a lot of other episodes 2307 01:43:32.409 --> 01:43:35.869 to do. And so I just don't have the mental space. 2308 01:43:35.890 --> 01:43:37.029 It's got to be New Year's. 2309 01:43:36.899 --> 01:43:40.899 Evil, too. That makes sense, actually. 2310 01:43:40.979 --> 01:43:43.260 That I would like to do. 2311 01:43:43.279 --> 01:43:44.039 I would, too. 2312 01:43:44.079 --> 01:43:44.760 Give it its due. 2313 01:43:45.619 --> 01:43:47.180 Anyway, just so you guys know, you're not allowed to 2314 01:43:47.260 --> 01:43:49.479 ever quit the podcast. Like I'm planning on doing this 2315 01:43:49.510 --> 01:43:51.430 until I die. So yeah, me too. 2316 01:43:52.090 --> 01:43:53.670 I want to do it for a living. I'm tired 2317 01:43:53.710 --> 01:43:54.090 of working. 2318 01:43:55.250 --> 01:43:56.869 We'll be at the convalescence home. 2319 01:43:57.310 --> 01:43:57.729 Okay. 2320 01:43:57.750 --> 01:44:02.550 We're talking about insidious 75. What are we talking about? 2321 01:44:02.829 --> 01:44:06.090 I forgot. Let's just talk about 31 again. 2322 01:44:06.909 --> 01:44:08.970 Oh gosh. All right. Y'all want some trivia? 2323 01:44:09.529 --> 01:44:10.029 Yes. 2324 01:44:10.560 --> 01:44:14.930 All right. Uh, this was Rob Zombie's first crowdfunded film. Now, uh, 2325 01:44:15.489 --> 01:44:16.680 I'm going to tell you guys a secret. 2326 01:44:17.239 --> 01:44:18.279 I donated to that. 2327 01:44:18.840 --> 01:44:21.420 Oh, you funded it. Oh my God. Did you get credits? 2328 01:44:22.060 --> 01:44:24.380 I don't, I don't even know. I never even checked, 2329 01:44:24.420 --> 01:44:27.420 but I got like a cool t-shirt. Oh, it had 2330 01:44:27.739 --> 01:44:30.170 one of the, those clown brothers faces kind of, it 2331 01:44:30.189 --> 01:44:32.550 looked kind of melty and drippy on it. It was cool. 2332 01:44:33.189 --> 01:44:36.550 So it wasn't, it was not a large donation. I was, 2333 01:44:36.670 --> 01:44:39.930 you know, I'm not making much money at that time. 2334 01:44:39.949 --> 01:44:41.569 I still don't make much money, but you know, it 2335 01:44:41.590 --> 01:44:42.760 was like the lowest donation. 2336 01:44:43.920 --> 01:44:48.979 My former co-host, Andy, donated to Terrifier 2, and he 2337 01:44:49.020 --> 01:44:50.260 got a credit on the movie. 2338 01:44:50.800 --> 01:44:53.079 That is something, that is more something to be proud 2339 01:44:53.140 --> 01:44:53.899 of than donating. 2340 01:44:53.920 --> 01:44:55.659 I did too, and all I got was this stupid 2341 01:44:55.680 --> 01:44:56.220 trash bag. 2342 01:44:57.739 --> 01:45:01.140 That's good. 2343 01:45:01.420 --> 01:45:02.760 That's what it says on the trash bag. 2344 01:45:03.279 --> 01:45:07.420 Okay, so this is actually an interesting little tidbit, and 2345 01:45:07.600 --> 01:45:11.180 I think should have absolutely played a much bigger part 2346 01:45:11.220 --> 01:45:13.350 in the way the story played out in this movie. 2347 01:45:14.069 --> 01:45:16.630 rob zombie said that the reason he set this movie 2348 01:45:16.670 --> 01:45:19.729 on halloween was because he had read a statistic that 2349 01:45:19.770 --> 01:45:23.590 stated more people go missing on halloween in the u.s 2350 01:45:23.609 --> 01:45:26.050 than any other day and he thought it would make 2351 01:45:26.090 --> 01:45:28.550 an interesting premise for a film so i guess this 2352 01:45:28.609 --> 01:45:30.850 is trying to explain why people go missing what. 2353 01:45:31.100 --> 01:45:33.460 Do they mean children or just people this is. 2354 01:45:33.449 --> 01:45:36.760 People so i feel like that really could see that 2355 01:45:36.779 --> 01:45:38.939 doesn't connect as well to the premise i feel like 2356 01:45:39.460 --> 01:45:41.220 you could have made a cool movie about people getting 2357 01:45:41.279 --> 01:45:43.890 snatched up on Halloween, but like on a wide scale. 2358 01:45:43.899 --> 01:45:45.670 I don't know. I just think that could have been, 2359 01:45:46.250 --> 01:45:48.470 I like, I agree with him that that's an interesting idea, 2360 01:45:48.510 --> 01:45:50.010 but I think I would, if I. 2361 01:45:49.970 --> 01:45:53.420 Were working things in that he likes into his movies 2362 01:45:53.500 --> 01:45:55.100 and he's just doesn't know how to put them in. 2363 01:45:55.140 --> 01:45:58.489 Sometimes he's like, I like Halloween. Well, we'll call it 31. 2364 01:45:58.489 --> 01:45:58.989 I like

turtles. 2365 01:45:59.010 --> 01:46:00.770 Except I already did a movie called Halloween, so I 2366 01:46:00.800 --> 01:46:03.659 don't want to redo that. You know, that kind of thing. 2367 01:46:03.680 --> 01:46:05.359 So we just won't. I got an idea. We just 2368 01:46:05.380 --> 01:46:06.899 won't have any type of Halloween stuff. 2369 01:46:06.920 --> 01:46:10.939 Can I make a suggestion? Robert, eat a fucking hamburger, okay? 2370 01:46:11.510 --> 01:46:13.029 No, the man has principles. 2371 01:46:13.090 --> 01:46:13.930 Yeah, that's fine. 2372 01:46:14.229 --> 01:46:17.149 Oh, he does, really? Like with the scripts? Yeah, he's 2373 01:46:17.189 --> 01:46:17.789 got principles. 2374 01:46:17.810 --> 01:46:19.329 That's not a moral issue, John. 2375 01:46:19.770 --> 01:46:22.600 I mean, there's no reason to be cunty about it, John. 2376 01:46:25.550 --> 01:46:27.310 You've been watching too many Rob Zombie movies. 2377 01:46:27.369 --> 01:46:28.489 Yes, you have. 2378 01:46:28.550 --> 01:46:29.369 I'm such a twat. 2379 01:46:29.829 --> 01:46:31.250 You're a twat, actually. 2380 01:46:31.729 --> 01:46:32.770 Where's he from, Boston? 2381 01:46:33.260 --> 01:46:33.479 Boston. 2382 01:46:33.500 --> 01:46:33.840 Twat? 2383 01:46:34.279 --> 01:46:36.779 No, I feel like that's how English people say it, right? 2384 01:46:37.319 --> 01:46:38.819 They say twat, but I don't know. 2385 01:46:38.859 --> 01:46:39.199 Do they? 2386 01:46:39.220 --> 01:46:42.710 They say twat, but I think they say twat. 2387 01:46:43.090 --> 01:46:43.869 I think they say twat. 2388 01:46:44.189 --> 01:46:45.729 It kind of felt like twat. 2389 01:46:45.770 --> 01:46:47.489 British people, write in and talk. 2390 01:46:47.569 --> 01:46:49.489 All of our UK listeners. 2391 01:46:49.630 --> 01:46:56.100 Is it crisp or chips? Let us know. I think 2392 01:46:56.119 --> 01:46:58.239 British people say twat. 2393 01:46:58.279 --> 01:47:00.239 You're bringing way too much to this one. 2394 01:47:00.659 --> 01:47:01.989 So do the Irish, I think. 2395 01:47:02.170 --> 01:47:04.359 Okay. Well, somebody write it and tell us because we 2396 01:47:04.399 --> 01:47:04.739 need to know. 2397 01:47:05.020 --> 01:47:08.039 Maybe that's where the British, the Boston accent is coming from. 2398 01:47:08.060 --> 01:47:08.840 It's the Irish side. 2399 01:47:08.880 --> 01:47:09.350 Yeah, I get it. 2400 01:47:09.539 --> 01:47:12.470 But he sounded Southern. He sounded crispy. He didn't sound 2401 01:47:12.590 --> 01:47:14.329 like a Bostonian or something. 2402 01:47:14.770 --> 01:47:18.050 What is a cracker in UK? What's a sponge in 2403 01:47:18.069 --> 01:47:18.670 the UK? 2404 01:47:19.029 --> 01:47:20.670 Sponge? Don't they call it a sponge? 2405 01:47:20.689 --> 01:47:21.210 A biscuit. 2406 01:47:21.630 --> 01:47:24.109 What's a biscuit in the UK? A cookie. 2407 01:47:25.630 --> 01:47:25.989 Really? 2408 01:47:26.050 --> 01:47:28.350 What do they call a sponge in the UK? 2409 01:47:28.930

--> 01:47:32.100 I think it's a cake or like A layer of cake. 2410 01:47:32.180 --> 01:47:35.159 Lisa, is it a cake? 2411 01:47:35.619 --> 01:47:41.180 The sponge? Sponge is cake. I think cookie. Biscuit? Biscuit 2412 01:47:41.239 --> 01:47:44.279 is a cookie. No, a cookie is a cookie. A 2413 01:47:44.300 --> 01:47:46.520 biscuit is like something you put gravy on. 2414 01:47:47.020 --> 01:47:50.399 No, no, no. That's here. That's a biscuit here. 2415 01:47:50.659 --> 01:47:52.720 I know, but I'm just saying that they're wrong. 2416 01:47:52.800 --> 01:47:55.579 When you say biscuit, it means cookie. Anyway, I don't 2417 01:47:55.600 --> 01:47:58.619 want to talk about this anymore. As Doomhead is about 2418 01:47:58.659 --> 01:48:01.680 to gut Charlie with a knife, He says, shall we 2419 01:48:01.739 --> 01:48:05.340 do this Whitechapel style? Calling her Mary Kelly. This is 2420 01:48:05.359 --> 01:48:08.199 an obvious reference to Jack the Ripper, the real-life serial 2421 01:48:08.239 --> 01:48:12.270 killer who hunted in London's Whitechapel Quarter, his last victim 2422 01:48:12.510 --> 01:48:16.010 being the prostitute Mary Kelly. I didn't know that. Now 2423 01:48:16.029 --> 01:48:19.970 I know. My life is better for knowing. Well, Rick. 2424 01:48:20.220 --> 01:48:21.840 Breaks from the UK, so that makes sense. 2425 01:48:21.859 --> 01:48:23.420 Weren't most of his victims prostitutes? 2426 01:48:23.859 --> 01:48:28.739 I think so. Alright, so Sherry Moon Zombie... I don't 2427 01:48:28.770 --> 01:48:32.090 like this. Sherry Moon Zombie commented on her character saying, 2428 01:48:32.350 --> 01:48:35.449 Charlie is totally a victim in this movie, and she's 2429 01:48:35.510 --> 01:48:38.779 only doing everything out of the instinct to survive. like 2430 01:48:38.819 --> 01:48:41.380 Heidi in the Lords of Salem. I think it shows 2431 01:48:41.520 --> 01:48:43.850 that everyone has that in them and that they can 2432 01:48:43.890 --> 01:48:46.930 come out. It's kill or be killed. So that's the 2433 01:48:46.989 --> 01:48:49.890 thing is I don't feel like the character of Charlie 2434 01:48:50.329 --> 01:48:54.250 starts off as like a normal kind of sweet girl. 2435 01:48:54.289 --> 01:48:56.130 I feel like she's already a little like rough around 2436 01:48:56.170 --> 01:48:59.489 the edges and kind of, you know, still hanging on 2437 01:48:59.510 --> 01:49:03.010 to some of that baby firefly. And I don't feel 2438 01:49:03.050 --> 01:49:07.390 like there's a, there's like an animalistic, you know, instinctive 2439 01:49:07.800 --> 01:49:11.390 killer or something hiding inside of her until she's attacked 2440 01:49:11.449 --> 01:49:13.609 and has the need to defend herself. I don't feel 2441 01:49:13.649 --> 01:49:16.909 like that killer comes out of her. I feel like 2442 01:49:16.949 --> 01:49:20.649 she kind of just scrapes by to win the game 2443 01:49:20.670 --> 01:49:23.170 in the end. I don't know. I don't like that explanation. 2444 01:49:23.189 --> 01:49:26.319 I feel like she's giving the character more credit than 2445 01:49:26.340 --> 01:49:27.380 she deserves. 2446 01:49:27.399 --> 01:49:31.319 He eats cereal just like that every time he writes 2447 01:49:31.420 --> 01:49:32.319 one of his. 2448 01:49:32.340 --> 01:49:37.310 That's it. He found it. Were you searching for that 2449 01:49:37.329 --> 01:49:37.869 this whole time? 2450 01:49:38.649 --> 01:49:39.130 Yeah, boy. 2451 01:49:39.210 --> 01:49:40.659 Amazing. That was it. 2452 01:49:41.010 --> 01:49:41.210 Yeah. 2453 01:49:41.489 --> 01:49:43.930 Eating dry cereal was the inspiration. 2454 01:49:43.930 --> 01:49:47.130 31 was inspired by a dry bowl of cereal. And 2455 01:49:47.149 --> 01:49:49.409 it was Captain Spaulding's Crunch is when I said that joke. 2456 01:49:49.449 --> 01:49:52.329 Captain Spaulding's Crunch. That was it. 2457 01:49:52.810 --> 01:49:53.029 Yes. 2458 01:49:53.149 --> 01:49:55.470 Yeah. Did I say that on or off mic? The 2459 01:49:55.489 --> 01:49:56.449 thing that I was trying to remember. 2460 01:49:56.909 --> 01:49:59.010 You said it earlier. I don't know if you said 2461 01:49:59.090 --> 01:50:01.189 it before the show, but it was bugging you. So 2462 01:50:01.210 --> 01:50:02.470 I was like, I'm going to find it before she's 2463 01:50:02.489 --> 01:50:03.029 done with trivia. 2464 01:50:03.470 --> 01:50:05.510 Thank you. Are you going to cut all this conversation out? 2465 01:50:06.079 --> 01:50:06.600 No. I don't know. 2466 01:50:07.060 --> 01:50:07.300 Okay. 2467 01:50:07.460 --> 01:50:08.060 Well, I'll leave it in. 2468 01:50:08.079 --> 01:50:08.420 Whatever. 2469 01:50:08.460 --> 01:50:09.000 Behind the scenes. 2470 01:50:09.020 --> 01:50:10.640 We'll leave it in like Rob Zombie does. 2471 01:50:10.699 --> 01:50:12.739 Why not? Yeah, just leave it all in. No need 2472 01:50:12.760 --> 01:50:13.420 to edit anything. 2473 01:50:13.460 --> 01:50:14.079 No context. 2474 01:50:14.520 --> 01:50:16.939 So listeners, I was, before we started recording, I was 2475 01:50:17.020 --> 01:50:20.489 racking my brains because I had remembered from our clip 2476 01:50:20.529 --> 01:50:24.529 reel that there was something in our pumpkin head episode 2477 01:50:24.949 --> 01:50:26.449 where we referred to. 2478 01:50:26.310 --> 01:50:29.189 The movie 31. Pumpkin episodes that we've done. 2479 01:50:29.649 --> 01:50:32.489 And I'm, no, that is completely false. 2480 01:50:34.010 --> 01:50:35.210 Uh-oh, you broke Jacqueline. 2481 01:50:35.229 --> 01:50:36.289 I almost got you to agree. 2482 01:50:37.729 --> 01:50:38.750 She goes, yeah, no. 2483 01:50:40.609 --> 01:50:42.529 There's a moment in Pumpkinhead where they were giving me 2484 01:50:42.590 --> 01:50:47.100 crap about eating dry cereal. And Heidelberg said Captain Spaulding's crunch. 2485 01:50:47.140 --> 01:50:49.800 I thought that was funny. And then somebody said, oh, yeah, 2486 01:50:49.850 --> 01:50:53.260 that's the inspiration for

his movie 31. And so I 2487 01:50:53.380 --> 01:50:55.020 was like, I got to remember to bring that up 2488 01:50:55.159 --> 01:50:57.659 on the 31 episode because that's the only other time 2489 01:50:57.699 --> 01:51:00.000 I can ever revisit that comment. And then I couldn't 2490 01:51:00.039 --> 01:51:01.800 remember what it was because I forgot to write it down. 2491 01:51:02.140 --> 01:51:03.350 And Heidelberg found it for me. 2492 01:51:03.939 --> 01:51:05.840 Are you still eating cereal dry? 2493 01:51:06.500 --> 01:51:07.180 Obviously. 2494 01:51:07.199 --> 01:51:08.720 Still doing that? Yes. 2495 01:51:10.260 --> 01:51:13.399 Do I still not like disgusting, soggy cereal? Yes, I 2496 01:51:13.520 --> 01:51:15.720 still do not like disgusting, soggy cereal. 2497 01:51:16.180 --> 01:51:20.399 Well, this is John's last episode on A Cut Above. Alright, 2498 01:51:20.460 --> 01:51:21.859 go enjoy your soggy mush. 2499 01:51:22.039 --> 01:51:24.239 Are you going to end it on a Rob Zombie film? 2500 01:51:24.350 --> 01:51:26.939 I mean, you might as well. You might as well. 2501 01:51:27.239 --> 01:51:30.090 You don't want to wait until we recover one of 2502 01:51:30.149 --> 01:51:30.750 his other films? 2503 01:51:32.449 --> 01:51:35.869 No, we're doing, we already agreed we're doing New Year's Eve. 2504 01:51:36.109 --> 01:51:39.029 I'll redo his films if it's a Patreon thing and 2505 01:51:39.130 --> 01:51:41.270 people pay for it. Then I'll go back and do 2506 01:51:41.289 --> 01:51:42.909 zombie films, Rob Zombie films. 2507 01:51:43.289 --> 01:51:45.270 There we go. All right, Jacqueline, finish up. 2508 01:51:45.670 --> 01:51:50.130 Okay, I'm trying, man. The budget for the movie was $ 1. 5 million. 2509 01:51:50.430 --> 01:51:54.680 It only grossed $ 850, 000 and change at the box office. Oh, 2510 01:51:54.729 --> 01:51:59.479 I thought you were saying $ 850. Not $ 850. So that's 2511 01:51:59.520 --> 01:52:01.119 why I went back. I was like, that's going to 2512 01:52:01.159 --> 01:52:05.449 be misconstrued. Yeah, $ 850, 000 and some change at the box office, 2513 01:52:05.470 --> 01:52:10.029 so that was not successful. 31 was submitted to the 2514 01:52:10.130 --> 01:52:13.970 MPAA twice, and both times it got an NC-17 rating. 2515 01:52:15.069 --> 01:52:17.640 I'd like you to listen to the difference in these descriptions, 2516 01:52:18.020 --> 01:52:21.640 because I find it interesting. When it received the NC-17 rating, 2517 01:52:21.659 --> 01:52:28.600 the MPAA said it contained sadistic graphic violence, bizarre sexuality 2518 01:52:28.680 --> 01:52:35.939 slash nudity, and some... pervasive, disturbing images, and some strong language. 2519 01:52:36.060 --> 01:52:38.859 First of all, what is bizarre sexuality? What language? 2520 01:52:38.890 --> 01:52:40.090 I didn't hear any bad words. 2521 01:52:41.369 --> 01:52:45.289 That's hilarious. What is the bizarre sexuality? What is bizarre 2522 01:52:45.350 --> 01:52:49.869 sexuality or bizarre nudity? Are we talking about the naked 2523 01:52:49.930 --> 01:52:53.420 girls serving the aristocrats? I don't know what would be 2524 01:52:53.500 --> 01:52:56.520 bizarre about any of the nudity. Nudity is just nudity. 2525 01:52:56.539 --> 01:52:57.960 Or sexuality. 2526 01:52:58.000 --> 01:52:58.560 Or sexuality. 2527 01:52:59.569 --> 01:53:01.430 And even the retro richard. 2528 01:53:01.149 --> 01:53:06.479 Break it was it was kind of like it was 2529 01:53:06.880 --> 01:53:09.939 well the richard break sex scene he was the the 2530 01:53:10.020 --> 01:53:11.619 camera was kind of back it was. 2531 01:53:11.539 --> 01:53:14.119 Just the fact that he's watching nosferatu was bizarre yeah 2532 01:53:14.380 --> 01:53:18.170 no i don't think so. 2533 01:53:18.510 --> 01:53:19.789 He takes me the kind of guy who would have 2534 01:53:19.810 --> 01:53:23.409 finished and not cared if she did anyway so probably Well, 2535 01:53:23.430 --> 01:53:23.850 didn't he. 2536 01:53:23.770 --> 01:53:26.359 Say something about dripping and. 2537 01:53:26.600 --> 01:53:26.979 Oh, yeah. 2538 01:53:27.020 --> 01:53:28.680 He said a lot of gross stuff about that. 2539 01:53:28.800 --> 01:53:29.340 Yeah, he did. 2540 01:53:29.539 --> 01:53:29.840 He did. 2541 01:53:29.979 --> 01:53:32.279 So finally, it was after some cuts, it was granted 2542 01:53:32.319 --> 01:53:37.189 an R rating for strong, bloody horror violence, pervasive language, 2543 01:53:37.649 --> 01:53:41.130 sexual content, and drug use. So maybe there was something 2544 01:53:41.229 --> 01:53:45.619 cut out that had bizarre sexuality or bizarre nudity in it. 2545 01:53:45.970 --> 01:53:46.689 So now I want to know. 2546 01:53:46.710 --> 01:53:48.090 They sparked a couple extra joints. 2547 01:53:48.109 --> 01:53:48.930 I guess. I guess. 2548 01:53:49.380 --> 01:53:51.100 Yeah, maybe Sex and Death did something. 2549 01:53:51.180 --> 01:53:54.899 No, I know what it was. It was a wiener monster. 2550 01:53:55.340 --> 01:53:56.439 A wangoodle monster. 2551 01:53:56.539 --> 01:53:57.659 Oh, it was a wangoodle monster? 2552 01:53:57.699 --> 01:53:59.180 They cut that out. 2553 01:53:59.199 --> 01:54:01.479 So Rob Zombie later told a fan on Facebook that 2554 01:54:01.680 --> 01:54:04.520 the zombie cut would eventually be released on DVD and 2555 01:54:04.560 --> 01:54:07.420 include the uncut version. To my knowledge, I've never seen 2556 01:54:07.439 --> 01:54:08.239 that anywhere. Have you guys? 2557 01:54:08.260 --> 01:54:11.010 I don't know. I've been looking for it. It didn't 2558 01:54:11.020 --> 01:54:11.359 come in. 2559 01:54:13.090 --> 01:54:15.029 It's going to be on Vinegar Syndrome. 2560 01:54:16.569 --> 01:54:18.970 Okay. Well, that's all I have for trivia, you guys. 2561 01:54:19.560 --> 01:54:20.420 Well done, Jacqueline. 2562 01:54:20.699 --> 01:54:21.279 Thank you. 2563 01:54:21.300 --> 01:54:24.859 We got another one off the list. 2564 01:54:24.920 -->

01:54:28.659 How many have we done? 2565 01:54:28.699 --> 01:54:29.739 Four? 2566 01:54:29.859 --> 01:54:30.159 Five. 2567 01:54:30.199 --> 01:54:34.789 We've done five. We did the whole trilogy, Lords of 2568 01:54:34.810 --> 01:54:35.609 Salem and this one. 2569 01:54:36.829 --> 01:54:39.460 I feel like there was another, but I guess I'm wrong. Oh, 2570 01:54:39.500 --> 01:54:41.260 we just did some Spider-Once. That's what it was. 2571 01:54:41.539 --> 01:54:43.859 Yeah, we haven't done the Monsters or the Halloweens, and 2572 01:54:43.880 --> 01:54:46.199 I think that's it. Oh, and the animated one, El 2573 01:54:46.239 --> 01:54:50.550 Super Bistro. El Bistro? It's the French cafe. It's a 2574 01:54:50.569 --> 01:54:54.729 little cafe. You can get quite the croque madame. 2575 01:54:54.750 --> 01:54:57.390 Can we skip the Monsters? Please. I don't need to 2576 01:54:57.409 --> 01:54:59.289 do that. It's a Netflix movie. It doesn't count. 2577 01:54:59.390 --> 01:55:00.159 I never saw it. 2578 01:55:00.329 --> 01:55:01.649 We only do theatrical movies. 2579 01:55:01.670 --> 01:55:03.149 That's not true at all. 2580 01:55:03.800 --> 01:55:05.800 I like the monsters. I happen to like them. I 2581 01:55:05.840 --> 01:55:07.000 really don't want to even watch it. 2582 01:55:07.020 --> 01:55:08.119 That's not true at all. 2583 01:55:08.140 --> 01:55:10.239 I don't even want to subject myself to it. I 2584 01:55:10.279 --> 01:55:12.510 want to keep my memory of the monsters in my 2585 01:55:12.550 --> 01:55:19.050 childhood and not rob zombies. No, I don't. I'd rather 2586 01:55:19.090 --> 01:55:22.130 review the TV show, the remaking TV show that came out. 2587 01:55:22.149 --> 01:55:23.390 Do you want to review a whole show now? 2588 01:55:23.399 --> 01:55:24.189 Are they really? 2589 01:55:24.659 --> 01:55:24.840 Yeah. 2590 01:55:24.939 --> 01:55:25.520 No, they did that. 2591 01:55:25.960 --> 01:55:29.319 Yeah, the one back in the 80s. 2592 01:55:29.359 --> 01:55:32.359 Everybody Loves Raymond played Herman. What? 2593 01:55:32.399 --> 01:55:32.579 Yeah. 2594 01:55:33.609 --> 01:55:35.090 It was all in color. 2595 01:55:35.130 --> 01:55:38.310 He played Herman in the remake of The Monsters. And 2596 01:55:38.350 --> 01:55:40.689 then his father in Everybody Loves Raymond was the guy 2597 01:55:40.710 --> 01:55:45.340 who played the Frankenstein monster in Young Frankenstein. So they 2598 01:55:45.420 --> 01:55:47.520 actually both happened to have played Frankenstein. 2599 01:55:47.539 --> 01:55:48.659 I thought you were going to say he was in 2600 01:55:48.680 --> 01:55:49.279 The Monster. 2601 01:55:49.300 --> 01:55:53.399 They both played The Monster at some point. A little 2602 01:55:53.439 --> 01:55:55.020 bit of trivia for Everybody Loves Raymond. 2603 01:55:55.579 --> 01:55:59.930 I love that show, actually. I've seen every episode. So, fellas, 2604 01:56:00.010 --> 01:56:01.130 next week it's my pick. 2605 01:56:01.689 --> 01:56:03.829

It is. Jacqueline, what'd you pick? 2606 01:56:06.489 --> 01:56:08.689 I have picked a movie that I've never seen before 2607 01:56:08.729 --> 01:56:10.399 and I'm just kind of looking for a reason to 2608 01:56:10.460 --> 01:56:14.100 watch it. I've picked Possession from 1983. 2609 01:56:14.100 --> 01:56:18.920 Obsession from 2026. That's what I said. 2610 01:56:19.579 --> 01:56:20.340 That's the same thing. 2611 01:56:20.960 --> 01:56:21.420 Possession? 2612 01:56:21.920 --> 01:56:22.640 No, Possession. 2613 01:56:22.659 --> 01:56:23.920 Is it too late to swap that out with a 2614 01:56:23.960 --> 01:56:24.720 Rob Zombie movie? 2615 01:56:25.979 --> 01:56:28.729 No, let's do it. So you can't bluff Hydra Bird 2616 01:56:28.750 --> 01:56:30.289 because I'm going to call you on it. Yeah, let's 2617 01:56:30.310 --> 01:56:31.409 do it. Let's do the monsters. 2618 01:56:31.449 --> 01:56:33.510 No, no, no. You know what? We'll do Possession because 2619 01:56:33.529 --> 01:56:34.850 Sam Neill passed away recently. 2620 01:56:34.890 --> 01:56:35.989 I want to pay respect to Sam Neill. 2621 01:56:36.010 --> 01:56:36.350 Yes. Okay. 2622 01:56:36.369 --> 01:56:36.789 R.I.P. 2623 01:56:36.810 --> 01:56:40.010 Sam Neill. Yeah. Yeah, we'll do that. Thanks, Sam Neill. 2624 01:56:40.510 --> 01:56:44.050 Likely story. Anyway, so Possession from 1983. It'll be our 2625 01:56:44.369 --> 01:56:49.439 third Isabelle Adjani movie, I think. Or fourth. Third. 2626 01:56:49.479 --> 01:56:51.119 She was in, what was she in? She was in. 2627 01:56:51.939 --> 01:56:55.060 Werner Herzog's Nosferatu. Right? 2628 01:56:55.079 --> 01:56:55.560 Yes. 2629 01:56:55.979 --> 01:56:56.579 And The Tenant. 2630 01:56:57.060 --> 01:56:58.180 The Tenant. Yes. 2631 01:56:58.939 --> 01:56:59.460 Anything else? 2632 01:57:00.460 --> 01:57:00.859 I don't know. 2633 01:57:00.890 --> 01:57:03.930 She's been in a bunch of movies. So we'll cover 2634 01:57:03.949 --> 01:57:04.510 another one. 2635 01:57:04.529 --> 01:57:05.770 Okay. 2636 01:57:05.989 --> 01:57:07.770 So that's what we're watching next week. 2637 01:57:07.789 --> 01:57:08.109 Possession. 2638 01:57:08.590 --> 01:57:14.359 Possession. Not obsession. Possession from 1983. In the meantime, everybody 2639 01:57:14.399 --> 01:57:16.439 please write in and tell us how you pronounce twat 2640 01:57:16.460 --> 01:57:18.819 because we want to know. And you can email us 2641 01:57:18.899 --> 01:57:22.960 at acutabovehorrorreview at gmail.com. You can also follow us on 2642 01:57:23.199 --> 01:57:26.520 X at Cut Above Horror. Not Cunt Above. 2643 01:57:27.720 --> 01:57:32.239 Cuck Above? If you wanted to let me know what 2644 01:57:32.350 --> 01:57:35.710 your favorite Rob Zombie film is or why it's not 2645 01:57:35.750 --> 01:57:41.390 The Monsters, you can hit us up at cutabove.horror underscore 2646 01:57:41.430 --> 01:57:42.109 review on Instagram. 2647 01:57:42.590 --> 01:57:44.189 Somebody's going to write in now and say why The

2648 01:57:44.229 --> 01:57:45.329 Monsters is their favorite. 2649 01:57:45.850 --> 01:57:47.069 Yeah, I know. 2650 01:57:47.149 --> 01:57:49.729 It's somebody's favorite. Is it the only one you've seen? 2651 01:57:50.949 --> 01:57:54.680 Let's see. Follow us on Facebook, Cut Above Horror Review. 2652 01:57:54.779 --> 01:57:57.600 Hydra Bird, you've got the Cinemigos. What do you guys 2653 01:57:57.640 --> 01:57:58.479 got coming out soon? 2654 01:57:58.859 --> 01:58:01.409 We got an episode on Get Shorty coming out. 2655 01:58:02.289 --> 01:58:03.930 Oh, my God. Is it this weekend? 2656 01:58:04.449 --> 01:58:05.710 Yeah, I could have it out for this weekend. 2657 01:58:06.109 --> 01:58:10.350 Ooh, awesome. And if you have not checked it out, Jacqueline... 2658 01:58:10.520 --> 01:58:13.979 you were with our friend Nicole. I've got to mention 2659 01:58:14.010 --> 01:58:16.590 it again because it's such a good episode. You guys 2660 01:58:16.649 --> 01:58:19.250 talking about Jacob's Ladder on Light and Shadow podcast. 2661 01:58:19.760 --> 01:58:22.569 Yeah, it was tons of fun. I loved having the 2662 01:58:22.609 --> 01:58:25.510 opportunity to go back and revisit that movie because I 2663 01:58:25.529 --> 01:58:28.210 hadn't seen it in a while. And as you guys know, 2664 01:58:28.250 --> 01:58:32.189 it's always a great time talking to Nicole. She's so 2665 01:58:32.609 --> 01:58:36.229 organized and analytical. It's just great. It was really, really 2666 01:58:37.000 --> 01:58:40.119 great time to analyze that movie with her and talk 2667 01:58:40.140 --> 01:58:40.420 it over. 2668 01:58:40.439 --> 01:58:45.270 A great movie to review. It's a great movie. 2669 01:58:45.430 --> 01:58:47.069 I was actually a little jealous because I was like, damn, 2670 01:58:47.229 --> 01:58:48.550 I wanted to cover it one day here. 2671 01:58:49.449 --> 01:58:52.949 We still can. No, I've already heard your opinion. 2672 01:58:53.010 --> 01:58:56.510 No, I've already heard your opinion. No, I'm just kidding. 2673 01:58:57.130 --> 01:58:58.569 I'll be sick that week. 2674 01:58:58.810 --> 01:59:01.640 I'm just kidding. We covered Rosemary's Babies here and you've 2675 01:59:01.649 --> 01:59:06.659 already talked about that on your show. 2676 01:59:06.680 --> 01:59:06.750 Yep. 2677 01:59:07.000 --> 01:59:09.119 No, it was a great conversation. It's a great movie 2678 01:59:10.060 --> 01:59:12.539 that more people should seek out. I always love hearing 2679 01:59:12.579 --> 01:59:15.460 Nicole show and I always hear, love hearing her have guests, 2680 01:59:15.520 --> 01:59:18.319 but I especially love when she has you on. Oh, 2681 01:59:18.430 --> 01:59:23.329 thank you. You guys like just have a good energy together. 2682 01:59:23.390 --> 01:59:24.949 I really like it. Thank you. 2683 01:59:25.449 --> 01:59:28.850 I love Nicole. She's one of those people that I really, 2684 01:59:29.050 --> 01:59:31.720 just like you guys, I really wish that we lived 2685 01:59:31.760 --> 01:59:33.420 in the same city. Cause I know that we would 2686 01:59:33.460 --> 01:59:36.119 be such good friends and hang out all the time. 2687 01:59:36.140 --> 01:59:37.739 I just, would you say besties? 2688 01:59:38.420 --> 01:59:38.779 Yeah. 2689 01:59:38.840 --> 01:59:41.899 I mean, I'd be like Ray from, uh, What's it called? 2690 01:59:42.239 --> 01:59:45.979 What's that movie? The Burbs. Showing up unannounced, eating stuff 2691 01:59:46.039 --> 01:59:46.560 in your fridge. 2692 01:59:46.979 --> 01:59:47.659 What about Baham? 2693 01:59:48.119 --> 01:59:49.890 No, The Burbs. The Burbs. 2694 01:59:50.430 --> 01:59:52.430 Oh, you're looking for the... Oh, I don't know the name. 2695 01:59:52.689 --> 01:59:54.449 I'd be like the neighbor from The Burbs. 2696 01:59:54.949 --> 01:59:58.630 Oh, okay. Well, anyway, I love Nicole. I feel like 2697 01:59:58.649 --> 02:00:00.409 we have a real kinship. So, thank you. 2698 02:00:01.210 --> 02:00:04.409 Go check them out. Also, we're looking for those five-star 2699 02:00:04.449 --> 02:00:07.729 ratings for San Amigos, for Light and Shadow, and for 2700 02:00:07.750 --> 02:00:11.850 A Cut Above. And leave those comments. How do you 2701 02:00:11.949 --> 02:00:14.430 pronounce twat, I guess, in the UK? 2702 02:00:15.289 --> 02:00:18.350 Is it twat? Or even if you live in a 2703 02:00:18.390 --> 02:00:21.390 different country that's not the US or the UK and 2704 02:00:21.409 --> 02:00:25.949 you pronounce it differently, how would Rob Zombie's characters pronounce 2705 02:00:26.029 --> 02:00:28.159 it in all the different countries where we have listeners? 2706 02:00:28.180 --> 02:00:30.140 How about just spell it out for us? 2707 02:00:30.720 --> 02:00:31.199 Phonetically. 2708 02:00:31.640 --> 02:00:32.159 Phonetically. 2709 02:00:32.199 --> 02:00:33.539 Give us a pronunciation guide. 2710 02:00:34.039 --> 02:00:35.939 Yes. And we'll play it on next week's show. 2711 02:00:37.180 --> 02:00:39.300 Yeah, we'll have the twat hour. 2712 02:00:39.319 --> 02:00:41.800 A twat-a-thon. 2713 02:00:42.100 --> 02:00:43.020 The twat-a-thon. 2714 02:00:43.560 --> 02:00:44.590 The twat-a-thon. 2715 02:00:44.829 --> 02:00:46.949 We're going to do a whole theme. 2716 02:00:47.829 --> 02:00:48.890 Jerry Lewis twat-a-thon. 2717 02:00:50.270 --> 02:00:51.949 That's in September. Sorry, Jacqueline. 2718 02:00:52.529 --> 02:00:54.310 Alright, that's all I got. 2719 02:00:54.729 --> 02:00:58.460 Well, fellas, it's been great. I love you. It's another 2720 02:00:58.520 --> 02:01:00.979 Rob Zombie movie crossed off the list. Like you said, 2721 02:01:01.020 --> 02:01:03.439 Hydra Berg, and I will see you fellas back here 2722 02:01:04.119 --> 02:01:06.340 next week for Possession. 2723 02:01:07.189 --> 02:01:08.439 And keep it twatty.