Full Transcript for 2 Middle Aged Geeks on...Ghostbusters II (1989)

true, very true. But we do have 40 00:02:05.280 --> 00:02:06.920 a look on all the show, just really quickly. On 41 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:08.800 the other side of things, Matty and I are gonna 42 00:02:08.800 --> 00:02:11.000 hopefully gets back together for Holy Snokes this week. 43 00:02:11.479 --> 00:02:13.199 Lego and I are going to record review on the 44 00:02:13.240 --> 00:02:15.759 twenty fourth. We should be back to them as well. 45 00:02:16.120 --> 00:02:18.960 Hopefully if everything else comes here like it should, we 46 00:02:18.960 --> 00:02:21.159 should be great. The only monkey Wrench that has now 47 00:02:21.159 --> 00:02:22.759 and the foreseeable futures I am. 48 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:24.360 I'm on call next week. That always kind of like 49 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:26.240 there's a random monkey intes of things if I can't 50 00:02:26.240 --> 00:02:26.919 schedule things. 51 00:02:26.800 --> 00:02:27.479 The way I want to. 52 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:30.879 But we are working our way back and we shall 53 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:35.080 return post hase and uh yeah, that's what we're doing here. 54 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:38.039 What what fucking decade is it that you're using post hace. 55 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:41.039 I don't know what that kind of We're in the eighties, right, 56 00:02:41.080 --> 00:02:41.639 this is what this. 57 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:44.199 I thought, so, I mean, it's nineteen eighty nine, it's 58 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:49.039 five years later. This is a This is interesting. So 59 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:53.520 obviously if you saw the thumbnail, we're talking about Ghostbusters too. 60 00:02:53.879 --> 00:02:56.000 If you were on the podcast feed, you're you know 61 00:02:56.039 --> 00:02:58.439 we're talking about Ghostbusters two. Or maybe somehow you just 62 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:00.439 ended up here by accident and didn't see it all, 63 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:04.599 so now you know, we're talking about Ghostbusters two, the 64 00:03:04.639 --> 00:03:08.599 sequel to the highest grossing comedy of its time, Ghostbusters 65 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:13.439 from nineteen eighty four, a film that went through so 66 00:03:14.439 --> 00:03:18.000 many changes, had so much turnoil behind the scenes just 67 00:03:18.039 --> 00:03:21.360 to get made, a movie that initially no one involved 68 00:03:21.360 --> 00:03:26.479 even wanted to make, a movie that you can kind 69 00:03:26.479 --> 00:03:29.960 of see it. The unfortunate side effect of a lot 70 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:31.680 of this is you can kind of see a lot 71 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:34.719 of the behind the scenes stuff right up front and 72 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:38.840 center with this movie, and in nineteen eighty nine, those 73 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:42.840 that may not be aware, it was also the first 74 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:45.919 summer that featured the most amount of sequels ever released 75 00:03:45.919 --> 00:03:48.520 in one summer. So it was a year that featured 76 00:03:48.560 --> 00:03:52.120 Karate Kid three, Indiana Jones, and The Last Crusade star 77 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:56.639 Trek five, Lethal Weapon two. This then Batman was coming out. 78 00:03:56.960 --> 00:03:59.120 There was a Bond movie. I'm pretty sure that year too, 79 00:03:59.400 --> 00:04:01.479 So you had a little bit of everything kind of 80 00:04:01.520 --> 00:04:02.560 happening all at once. 81 00:04:03.319 --> 00:04:04.240 Yeah, And. 82 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:09.439 You had to be the best of the best that year, right, 83 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:12.560 you had to be because when you look at just 84 00:04:12.680 --> 00:04:16.639 in nineteen eighty nine alone on a sequel front, you 85 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:20.000 had to be the best of the best, or you 86 00:04:20.079 --> 00:04:23.720 had to be Batman, because, as everyone knows, in nineteen 87 00:04:23.759 --> 00:04:26.879 eighty nine, it was the summer of the bat. 88 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:30.279 It was indeed absolutely a lot of big films, a 89 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:32.120 lot of big sequels, a lot of big everything going 90 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:35.519 on this year. But and you're right that this film 91 00:04:35.839 --> 00:04:38.439 feels like I'll give you my my thesis statement of 92 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:43.759 sorts of this entire film. I feel like this film 93 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:53.879 succeeds only because of the absolute charisma talent, and I know, 94 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:58.560 just Kotspa of the creatives involved, because quite frankly, you 95 00:04:58.600 --> 00:05:01.639 can kind of tell that no one really wants to 96 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:05.079 be here, to be honest, except maybe dan Ackroyd. 97 00:05:05.240 --> 00:05:09.079 I think Peter mcknickley, Yes, that's that is true. That 98 00:05:09.160 --> 00:05:09.519 is true. 99 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:13.000 Peter mc nicol, Rick Moranis and dan Ackroyd all very 100 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:15.639 clearly want to be in this film. Right. 101 00:05:15.639 --> 00:05:18.040 It's pretty much you could tell that like this kind 102 00:05:18.040 --> 00:05:20.000 of thing where like they're like, Okay, we're gonna do this. 103 00:05:20.079 --> 00:05:22.480 It's almost like it was inevitable, it was gonna happen. 104 00:05:22.839 --> 00:05:24.560 It was good, like this was a big obviously the 105 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:26.399 big hit of nine to eighty four, Columbia went through 106 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:29.920 some not so great moments in between. Since Ghostbusters they 107 00:05:29.959 --> 00:05:32.439 need a big hit. It just the only thing that 108 00:05:32.519 --> 00:05:34.079 was weird was like how long it took. That's whause 109 00:05:34.079 --> 00:05:36.519 everything just took its time. Bill Burie didn't want to 110 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:38.319 come back at one point, and any way he was 111 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:40.120 ready to come back to the script wasn't ready. He 112 00:05:40.199 -->

00:05:42.639 had a lot of people who had a lot to 113 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:45.120 say what was coming on, So it caused a lot 114 00:05:45.160 --> 00:05:50.360 of consternation. Luckily, like I said, they're so talented, they 115 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:54.040 have such curismon to gather and camaraderie that it does 116 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:58.199 ultimately work as a movie. It's nowhere near the first film. 117 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:01.800 It's nowhere near the first film. But there is a 118 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:05.879 lot of great I forgot throughout how many great moments 119 00:06:05.920 --> 00:06:08.000 there were, And this is basically what this film. And 120 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:11.920 it's a film of great moments of the film itself. 121 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:17.600 Yeah, that's kind of it. I don't revisit this one 122 00:06:17.639 --> 00:06:21.360 a lot, and every time I walk away and I 123 00:06:22.000 --> 00:06:25.160 remember liking it more than I think I do, And 124 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:30.040 then I watch it and I'm reminded, Wait, there's a 125 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:32.439 lot of really good moments in a movie that is 126 00:06:33.040 --> 00:06:36.160 just a poor man's version of the original, right, And 127 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:39.519 that sounds mean, and I don't mean it to sound mean, 128 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:44.040 but like it is structured to be real similar like 129 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:46.720 Dana is right in the middle of everything all over again. 130 00:06:47.480 --> 00:06:51.480 It really doesn't try to break out of the mold 131 00:06:51.519 --> 00:06:53.839 of the original, and it tries to use a lot 132 00:06:53.879 --> 00:06:57.279 of the same setups to do certain things in the 133 00:06:57.319 --> 00:07:03.000 most interesting part about all this is that the few 134 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:05.959 things that stand out to me ended up being stuff 135 00:07:06.000 --> 00:07:08.639 that they did in reshoots just two months before the 136 00:07:08.680 --> 00:07:13.959 movie came out, which kind of tells you everything that 137 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:16.920 even when they were making it, they weren't quite sure 138 00:07:17.160 --> 00:07:20.000 how they were doing this, and then once it tested, 139 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:23.439 they really didn't know where to go. And I think 140 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:26.480 that one of the biggest problems is as weird as 141 00:07:26.480 --> 00:07:31.399 this sounds for how big the cast is, it feels 142 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:34.800 like there's too many people this time, and it really 143 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:39.399 makes it so that there's no focus in the same way, 144 00:07:39.639 --> 00:07:43.360 so characters feel lost in the shuffle when when you 145 00:07:43.399 --> 00:07:46.959 had the original, everyone had some sort of moment. But 146 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:48.759 in this movie, I look at it and it's like, 147 00:07:48.800 --> 00:07:51.519 why is Janine And even in this movie, what is 148 00:07:51.560 --> 00:07:54.600 the point of her in the relationship with Rick moranis 149 00:07:54.839 --> 00:07:58.639 like it doesn't add anything to the movie as a. 150 00:07:58.639 --> 00:08:01.439 Few humorous some moments from it, that's about it. But like, yeah, 151 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:03.920 exact Lewis even doesn't have anything. He has his big 152 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:06.759 shining moment as a Ghostbuster when he comes in at 153 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:08.519 the end and like just is up to the suit 154 00:08:08.560 --> 00:08:10.720 and stuff, But like that even seems forced. 155 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:12.839 Why is he the tax guy of the Ghostbuster? 156 00:08:13.360 --> 00:08:14.360 Seems like do you know why? 157 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:16.800 No? I don't. I didn't actually read a lot about 158 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:17.240 this one this. 159 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:20.079 Week because all of the rest of his scenes were 160 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:25.199 cut out of the movie. They the initial sequence where 161 00:08:25.199 --> 00:08:29.000 he sees Slimer was supposed to be a running bit 162 00:08:29.079 --> 00:08:33.320 through the movie where he finally becomes a Ghostbuster, and 163 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:36.159 he has a subplot where he is going after Slimer 164 00:08:36.159 --> 00:08:40.240 who has gotten out of the containment unit. And so 165 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:45.200 that was an entire plot point that was basically taken 166 00:08:45.240 --> 00:08:45.840 out of the movie. 167 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:50.480 Ah okay, interesting, interesting. Uh. 168 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:55.360 The Lewis, poor Lewis. The other thing that is cut 169 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:59.720 out of the movie, and this is wild is Eugene 170 00:08:59.759 --> 00:09:03.279 Lee was also in the film once they got to 171 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:08.600 the psychiatric ward, and he was Lewis's cousin and he 172 00:09:08.679 --> 00:09:12.080 was gonna be instrumental in getting the Ghostbusters out for 173 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:15.919 the final battle. When they decided to cut all that out, 174 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:18.639 we are pivoted to a scene where the mayor is 175 00:09:18.679 --> 00:09:21.559 the one who goes, wait, they're in you know, the hospital. 176 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:26.120 And that's the other thing. What in the world is 177 00:09:26.159 --> 00:09:32.519 this random character that is added in played by Kurt Fuller, who, 178 00:09:32.600 --> 00:09:36.919 don't get me wrong, I love Kurt Foller. Yeah, why 179 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:37.720 is he here? 180 00:09:38.759 --> 00:09:41.840 They needed someone sort of place? What's the name Nicolas 181 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:43.039 from the first film? Pretty much? 182 00:09:43.080 --> 00:09:43.799 Y's correct, Like. 183 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:46.799 The character archetype, even though he's with the mayor this time. 184 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:50.559 Instead it's the same

character archetype, and he's someone to 185 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:52.679 push back. He gets the ghost push someone for Vankman 186 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:55.080 and to rag on while we're talking to the mayor. 187 00:09:55.120 --> 00:09:56.960 That's pretty much the entirety of his character. 188 00:09:57.639 --> 00:10:01.360 Yeah, it's just very and you're right. 189 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:03.919 They actually slide different like, for example, Peter Ric Nichol's character, 190 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:06.080 who does his best in the thankless role and like 191 00:10:06.120 --> 00:10:08.399 does this thing, but even his character is kind of 192 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:12.639 sliding into the Lewis the Lewis. It is the I'm 193 00:10:12.679 --> 00:10:16.039 the I'm in love with Dana. I am that's unrequited 194 00:10:16.080 --> 00:10:17.879 and I'm going to be pushed around and stuff. The 195 00:10:17.919 --> 00:10:20.919 only twist is instead of becoming an evil dog with 196 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:24.600 no agency, he becomes the evil, like actual evil Hedgeman. 197 00:10:25.000 --> 00:10:27.240 Right, And it's that's the other thing is that the 198 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:30.840 stuff with Vigo actually like was super cut down, and 199 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:36.399 it makes the third act really jarring, especially the moment 200 00:10:36.519 --> 00:10:39.559 when Ray is taken over by him, because they cut 201 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:43.039 an entire sequence earlier in the movie where Ray is 202 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:44.200 actually possessed by him. 203 00:10:44.480 --> 00:10:46.440 Right, it's so random. I mean, they have that scene 204 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:47.879 still in the there is that's. 205 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:50.000 Through that moment, the beginning of it, at the beginning 206 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:51.639 of yeah, they had the beginning, he's staring at the 207 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:53.440 painting and he gets about whatever, and then they have 208 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:55.120 to think at the end and it's like that actually 209 00:10:55.120 --> 00:10:57.480 makes no sense at that point, so it's kind of like, Okay, 210 00:10:57.519 --> 00:10:59.440 well what's going on here? And also think he's they 211 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:01.039 got the big ed again. You're like, wait, what does 212 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:04.679 happen there? And they just shoot him. It's all over, okay, 213 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:05.799 So why do you bother that? 214 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:06.519 Definite? 215 00:11:06.519 --> 00:11:09.200 I gotta say, the third act of this movie is 216 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:12.639 a mess, and apparently they reshot it and so this 217 00:11:12.799 --> 00:11:16.080 was an entirely different third act than the initial third act. 218 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:20.360 And I don't know if that's better or worse, because 219 00:11:21.679 --> 00:11:24.000 I really I actually enjoy the first two acts of 220 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:28.559

the movie mostly, even though I do think that the 221 00:11:28.679 --> 00:11:33.600 humor doesn't always land or like every plot point works. 222 00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:37.080 I'm gelling with it. I'm having a good time, like 223 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:41.840 the movie is doing the thing right right, But goddamn dude, 224 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:44.559 the third act of this movie just kind of womps. 225 00:11:44.919 --> 00:11:47.759 And that's that's my biggest problem, is that Vigo is 226 00:11:47.840 --> 00:11:50.080 not that interesting as the villain in the same way 227 00:11:50.120 --> 00:11:55.519 that goes or is And because of that, it just 228 00:11:55.919 --> 00:12:00.360 kind of feels boring and lifeless, and like that entire 229 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:04.159 third act just doesn't come together in the same way 230 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:05.759 that the one in the first act in the first 231 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:07.759 movie does. And I know that's not fair because the 232 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:10.440 first movie is the first movie, and we it's a 233 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:11.440 classic for a reason. 234 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:15.879 It's lightning in a bottle, right, but creating possible. 235 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:21.120 But like, come on, it's such a downgrade comparatively, and 236 00:12:21.159 --> 00:12:24.559 it just comes down to they shoot the painting. 237 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:28.240 Yeah, they shoot the fan, right, We're gonna slime Lady Liberty, 238 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:34.440 make her dance like that's we need to start put 239 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:36.480 with marshballow Man. This one just on our side this time. 240 00:12:36.519 --> 00:12:38.360 So it's kind of fun. We're trying to like and 241 00:12:38.399 --> 00:12:42.399 it's like positivity thing which seems so genuinely like great 242 00:12:42.440 --> 00:12:43.919 in the first film had that gray over of New 243 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:46.480 York City coming together, right, which is which does happen 244 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:48.360 in real life, and that's the that when that happens, 245 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:50.960 that's awesome. And the second film it feels like it's 246 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:55.000 such a forced version of that. It doesn't feel like 247 00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:57.399 it's like I actually agree with the beyar, I'm gonna 248 00:12:57.440 --> 00:12:59.480 tell ten million New Yorkers to shut. 249 00:12:59.279 --> 00:13:01.799 Up, to be nice to each other like that. You 250 00:13:01.840 --> 00:13:04.039 can't just that's what it is. You're telling me this happened. 251 00:13:04.039 --> 00:13:06.200 Is showing me what like I believe it happened to 252 00:13:06.240 --> 00:13:08.200 go spushes the way it was going on and ghost 253 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:08.759 bushes too. 254 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:11.600 It's like you're just telling me this was happening. And 255 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:14.879 I'm like, okay, sure, sure, yeah. 256 00:13:14.919

--> 00:13:17.559 And you know what, I think the biggest problem is, 257 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:21.279 and this is a fundamental issue with the movie, and 258 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:25.279 it's one of those you have a really hard time 259 00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:30.840 bouncing back from something like this, though admittedly, and when 260 00:13:30.840 --> 00:13:33.600 we get to After Life it kind of comes around. 261 00:13:34.159 --> 00:13:37.679 But this idea that everyone turns on the Ghostbusters and 262 00:13:38.000 --> 00:13:40.399 already kind of forgets what happened five years before. 263 00:13:40.919 --> 00:13:44.120 This is doctor who levels of forgetfulness at this point. 264 00:13:44.279 --> 00:13:48.519 Right, and you know, uh Winston even says it. He goes, 265 00:13:48.559 --> 00:13:52.000 you know, man, like down the line, kids aren't even 266 00:13:52.039 --> 00:13:55.000 gonna know what happened. And of course, like After Life 267 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:59.519 directly deals with that, which great pull that back like 268 00:13:59.679 --> 00:14:04.759 use that that's fine, but I think inherently by breaking 269 00:14:04.799 --> 00:14:09.919 them apart and having this the city turned on them, 270 00:14:10.320 --> 00:14:13.600 everyone sue them for saving them, Like all of that 271 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:18.039 just feels so contrived to make them look like villains, 272 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:22.159 and I don't think it works, especially. 273 00:14:21.879 --> 00:14:23.000 It's only five years later. 274 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:25.679 It's like saying, like it's like everybody's doing the fire 275 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:28.080 department in two thousand and six for trying to sit 276 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:30.600 for like nine to eleven or something like that. It's like, no, 277 00:14:30.720 --> 00:14:33.320 it's not. You're still remembering what happened to nine eleven, 278 00:14:33.360 --> 00:14:36.240 and you're still like remembering how like these people were 279 00:14:36.279 --> 00:14:38.440 like your heroes at this point, right, you staved the day. 280 00:14:38.639 --> 00:14:40.720 You don't turn them. I know, here's get turned on. 281 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:43.200 I get that, but this just seems very unfortunately. This 282 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:45.960 is such a big thing that happened, Like it's such 283 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:48.799 a huge thing that happened, you can't turn that quickly, 284 00:14:49.080 --> 00:14:51.759 especially to the level of degree that they had gotten 285 00:14:51.759 --> 00:14:55.000 turned on, Like it just how do they not believe 286 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:57.759 in goes like the mayor was there completely right, believed 287 00:14:57.759 --> 00:15:01.159 that he was all right, like yeah, all of a 288 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:02.919 sudden turned into like the non believer all of a 289 00:15:02.919 --> 00:15:03.600 sudden again. 290 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:06.120 Yeah, and all this like oh they're Charlotte Tan's again, 291 00:15:06.200 --> 00:15:07.879 and like they made all of it up and it was. 292 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:09.840 Like you were here last time. 293 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:15.879 I hate it. I hate that entire concept and conceit. 294 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:20.559 And I really think that by doing that, you underwrite 295 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:24.480 the original and you really hamper the characters. And I 296 00:15:24.519 --> 00:15:28.399 think that it really just suffers because. 297 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:29.840 There's a better way to have done it, the better 298 00:15:29.879 --> 00:15:31.840 way to easily have done it. You could still start it, 299 00:15:31.879 --> 00:15:33.519 and you could say that what they did in the 300 00:15:33.559 --> 00:15:37.240 first film was so uber successful or whatever that there's 301 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:40.120 no like ghosts coming around at this point. Yeah, really 302 00:15:40.120 --> 00:15:42.039 clean shop, and so they've they're gone down on the 303 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:44.679 lu because there's no business anymore. Like they actually they 304 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:47.320 were so successfully for themselves out of business, and so 305 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:49.159 now like five years later, you're kind of like, well, 306 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:51.200 sure they're doing Kids PARTI because they got nothing to 307 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:54.960 do at this point. That makes sense and that is fine. 308 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:56.559 And I could even. 309 00:15:56.320 --> 00:15:56.879 See like. 310 00:15:58.360 --> 00:16:00.919 A subplot where like if the start coming back for 311 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:04.759 whatever reason that some people question whether they're just creating 312 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:07.200 it again because they missed their celebrity or like that. 313 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:10.039 You could deal with that aspect and still do what 314 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:14.039 you wanted to do, but it'd be more subtle and 315 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:18.080 less like contrived it overt which really kind of kills 316 00:16:18.080 --> 00:16:22.559 it and kills the characters, like, yeah, why are they 317 00:16:22.840 --> 00:16:24.480 birthday parties? Like why are they doing that? 318 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:25.440 Yeah? 319 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:27.279 And why does Ray Parker saw him canon in the 320 00:16:27.440 --> 00:16:28.600 in the universe? 321 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:36.279 It just because there's so many weird choices, yeah, and like, yeah, 322 00:16:36.279 --> 00:16:38.480 the Ray Parker thing is almost too metaphor its own 323 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:44.720 good m h. And I just don't get the birthday 324 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:47.240 party thing and like really making it a point that 325 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:50.559 everyone hates them and shit, Like, I don't know, I 326 00:16:50.600 --> 00:16:53.240 think it puts a bad taste in my mouth pretty 327 00:16:53.279 -->

00:16:57.000 much out the gate. And truth of the matter is, 328 00:16:57.080 --> 00:17:00.480 as much as I love Dana Boy, the opening of 329 00:17:00.519 --> 00:17:04.000 the movie doesn't have nearly the impact of the opening 330 00:17:04.079 --> 00:17:04.799 of the original. 331 00:17:04.960 --> 00:17:05.519 Oh goddam. 332 00:17:05.680 --> 00:17:09.960 And you know, I kind of don't blame the people 333 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:12.880 who said that this was for Ghostbusters and a baby. 334 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:21.160 The Oscar character is fine, but you always run into 335 00:17:21.240 --> 00:17:25.079 adding a child into a movie or a television show 336 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:29.200 and what does it add to it? And I think 337 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:33.319 the truth of the matter is that they have this 338 00:17:34.279 --> 00:17:38.319 character and he's only there to create more tension between 339 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:43.960 Dana and Bill Murray, you know, Like, and that sucks 340 00:17:44.039 --> 00:17:48.039 because they're really trying to force Peter to like evolve, 341 00:17:49.640 --> 00:17:55.599 and Murray tries. Don't get me wrong, but it doesn't work. 342 00:17:55.960 --> 00:17:56.839 I would say it doesn't. 343 00:17:57.079 --> 00:18:00.240 It doesn't if they're trying to add tension between and 344 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:03.160 Bill Murray, is they were, I don't think that actually works. 345 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:06.119 I don't feel any tension between them. Mostly I feel like, yeah, 346 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:08.359 she's so in. It feels like she's in on going 347 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:10.759 back with him pretty much right away, the only exception 348 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:12.799 being like she tells him, Oh, don't tell Peter, you're 349 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:15.079 doing this for me. Then once Peter's on scene, she's 350 00:18:15.079 --> 00:18:17.640 like basically throwing herself at him again at that point, 351 00:18:17.920 --> 00:18:19.680 like throwing herself out. And I shouldn't say again because 352 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:21.759 I wasn't the first film. She's basically throwing herself at him, 353 00:18:21.799 --> 00:18:25.680 and Dankman is like this suddenly this like good guy. 354 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:29.920 Yeah, and he's like again, I like all the scenes 355 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:32.799 with him in Oscar, but it also feels weird, like 356 00:18:33.799 --> 00:18:37.000 out of place in a way that doesn't really work. 357 00:18:37.160 --> 00:18:40.880 Right, right it? Yeah, you're it doesn't you know, it 358 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:41.960 does not. It doesn't work. 359 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:45.319 I mean it works only because if it does work, 360 00:18:45.359 --> 00:18:47.000 and I don't know if it doesn't work completely, but 361 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:48.960 if it does work. It's only because Bill Murray's the 362 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:52.519 Gurney Weaver have great chemistry together. That's why why and 363 00:18:52.599 --> 00:18:55.119 Bill Murray. Like I said, Bill Murray's so funny and 364 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:57.599 so charismatic. Even when you muter his character a little bit, 365 00:18:57.640 --> 00:18:59.519 he still gets away with it a little bit. He's 366 00:18:59.519 --> 00:19:01.240 still kind of like he still has some of my 367 00:19:01.240 --> 00:19:02.200 favorite moments in the movie. 368 00:19:02.319 --> 00:19:02.759 By far. 369 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:05.880 You have some great line deliveries. In fact, his line delivery. 370 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:07.720 I'll actually use this one to the day. It's the 371 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:11.279 one when they're dating the hole in the street the 372 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:13.519 second time the cops come around and one guy's like, 373 00:19:14.000 --> 00:19:15.759 he's like, goes, you're out with kind Ed, you're not 374 00:19:15.839 --> 00:19:16.440 with phone lines? 375 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:16.920 What are you doing? 376 00:19:16.960 --> 00:19:18.720 And he sits there just like for a second, pauses. 377 00:19:19.599 --> 00:19:23.680 I'm not a major ghastly here. He complete shifts this pig. 378 00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:26.440 It's perfect over delivery. Only filmer you can really delivered 379 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:28.720 it that way. So he still has these great, funny, 380 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:32.160 hilarious moments that make the movie continue to go. That's 381 00:19:32.200 --> 00:19:34.240 why when I watch this, I don't regret watching that 382 00:19:34.400 --> 00:19:37.640 because God no, but like, but you're not wrong, you're 383 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:39.319 not wrong in that, Like it just it just feels 384 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:41.680 like it's it. This is what it feels to me. 385 00:19:41.759 --> 00:19:44.119 It feels like it's a an old rock band. It 386 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:47.680 got together to re record the greatest hits. And usually 387 00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:49.599 what happens then is that old that old rock band 388 00:19:49.640 --> 00:19:52.400 isn't as hungry, isn't as desiring, so it doesn't sound 389 00:19:52.440 --> 00:19:54.440 like it's as soulful as Original's missing that edge, just 390 00:19:54.440 --> 00:19:57.039 missing that like that bite that the original song had. 391 00:19:57.359 --> 00:20:00.480 It's so good you still sing along to it, baptid 392 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:03.319 and everything else, but it's just it's not it's it's 393 00:20:03.359 --> 00:20:05.440 a comforting thing instead of like a give. 394 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:06.599 You the edge you got there? 395 00:20:06.839 --> 00:20:13.200 Yeah, And it just kind of womps there. And there's 396 00:20:13.240 --> 00:20:17.359 stuff that is super fun, Like I think that this 397 00:20:17.839 --> 00:20:23.559 sequence with them in the when they've been sued again 398 00:20:23.599 --> 00:20:27.200 by the city and they're at the courthouse. Yes, the 399 00:20:27.240 --> 00:20:29.839 scene with

its Scolari brothers is one of the best 400 00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:33.559 scenes in the movie, like hands down. And that's also 401 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:36.039 because I actually think that's where the stuff with the 402 00:20:36.039 --> 00:20:41.599 slime actually works the best. I do think that that 403 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:44.680 is a plot line that they try to make more 404 00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:48.319 through line, but it doesn't quite always get there. But 405 00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:52.799 in that sequence in particular, it really quite works, and 406 00:20:53.160 --> 00:20:55.079 so I really do like that bit. 407 00:20:55.160 --> 00:20:57.480 It helps with harrizylin being Judge Wexler. He like comes 408 00:20:57.599 --> 00:21:01.519 yes that bit like so hardcore. H Lewis has the 409 00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:02.920 Lewis has his PRIs. 410 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:03.960 My favorite Lewis. 411 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:05.119 Pument of the whole movie is him trying to be 412 00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:07.640 that lawyer or whatever yea, even though that's because he's not 413 00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:10.599 that kind of lawyered and everything else. That's funny. But 414 00:21:10.640 --> 00:21:12.079 there is even some moments in there kind of like 415 00:21:12.119 --> 00:21:13.599 when when Egan said, you know, why don't you tell 416 00:21:13.599 --> 00:21:15.440 them you don't believe in ghosts and stuff, and like 417 00:21:15.680 --> 00:21:17.640 it feels a little forced, but I will say it 418 00:21:17.640 --> 00:21:20.640 also has my favorite, probably my most like fist pump 419 00:21:20.680 --> 00:21:23.359 type moment is Bill maunderstand and he goes, what I'm 420 00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:24.119 trying to say. 421 00:21:24.039 --> 00:21:26.839 Yeah something it's gonna happen. You get a call. 422 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:30.400 It's like there you go, that that appelf earned and 423 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:31.240 that felt like this is. 424 00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:35.839 What ye like. That's the stuff that really pops off 425 00:21:35.839 --> 00:21:38.559 in the movie. And that's when I start to really 426 00:21:38.559 --> 00:21:41.400 fall in love with it and go, man, this is 427 00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:44.720 like this is where the movie's really good. 428 00:21:45.079 --> 00:21:50.079 You don't want us exposing ourselves that makes. 429 00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:54.400 Me wonder what this movie could have been had they 430 00:21:54.480 --> 00:21:56.720 actually had the proper time to make it. 431 00:21:57.079 --> 00:21:59.319 Right and then proper desire, like they wanted to go 432 00:21:59.359 --> 00:22:02.039 back and do it that way. And it feels like 433 00:22:02.119 --> 00:22:04.119 even though they don't want to do the whole thing, 434 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:06.799 they still have their hearts for the characters, so it 435 00:22:06.920 --> 00:22:09.519 just happens to naturally come out sometimes that they kind 436 00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:11.200

of bust into those characters. 437 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:13.960 You know what I'm saying, Oh, no, you're not wrong. 438 00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:20.359 And it's just so interesting because like the movie is 439 00:22:20.440 --> 00:22:23.759 better than we mostly give it credit for, but it's 440 00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:26.519 such an impossible hill to climb coming off of the 441 00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:30.480 original that no matter what, it's almost impossible also for 442 00:22:30.519 --> 00:22:33.640 me not to feel somewhat disappointed every time I watch it, 443 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:36.960 And I feel bad for that because I don't want 444 00:22:36.960 --> 00:22:38.880 to be hard on this movie. I don't want to 445 00:22:39.039 --> 00:22:40.599 not like this movie. 446 00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:42.720 I mean, it was bad enough that it killed the 447 00:22:42.759 --> 00:22:44.160 franchise for a long time. 448 00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:45.559 Let's be honest, A long time. 449 00:22:46.279 --> 00:22:51.519 Three was in developmental hell for ever. We never really 450 00:22:51.559 --> 00:22:52.400 got it actually. 451 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:55.079 Never obviously really never know we did. I mean it 452 00:22:55.119 --> 00:22:55.759 is a videogame. 453 00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:58.559 Yeah, I was gonna say we got it as a movie, 454 00:22:58.640 --> 00:23:02.200 right right, But that's very telling, isn't it. 455 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:07.119 Absolutely, And like I'm honestly almost glad it didn't happen 456 00:23:07.200 --> 00:23:08.839 as a movie because I just feel like it wouldn't 457 00:23:08.839 --> 00:23:10.400 have worked as a movie at that point with everything 458 00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:12.119 I've heard going to it just feels like everything was 459 00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:14.920 just working against it and needed that that reset. It 460 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:17.759 needed that, Like I mean, it needs twenty sixteen to 461 00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:20.319 kind of like reset it, even though that's not like 462 00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:22.440 you know, in universe or whatever, in order for them 463 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:24.480 to get like to Afterlife and everything else. It actually 464 00:23:24.519 --> 00:23:28.519 felt like this like really refreshing, like, Okay, now you're here. 465 00:23:29.200 --> 00:23:31.440 I want to make this film. I want to pay 466 00:23:31.480 --> 00:23:33.920 homage to the original. I want to pay homage to 467 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:36.920 the original casts, and they felt like they were finally 468 00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:38.880 back on board and everything else. Ever, we kind of 469 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:41.640 make it. The death of Peril Rain is kind of 470 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:43.279 really alsome. Just put that Cobastion in it for a 471 00:23:43.279 --> 00:23:45.680 long time anyway, Absolutely. 472 00:23:45.119 --> 00:23:49.079 Well, and you know the relationship between him and Bill 473 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:54.519

had gotten so toxic after Groundhog Day, and you know, 474 00:23:54.599 --> 00:23:57.599 there there's all those stories about when they kept trying 475 00:23:57.599 --> 00:24:00.839 to get scripts done for Ghostbusters read there was the 476 00:24:01.039 --> 00:24:04.039 very infamous story about they sent one of the scripts 477 00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:08.200 to Murray and a box came back to Ramis or 478 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:10.720 whoever it was, and it was the script had been 479 00:24:10.759 --> 00:24:16.119 shredded and it was just there, and it was like, God, 480 00:24:16.240 --> 00:24:21.759 damn dude, Like that sucks. And you know, it's so 481 00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:25.640 funny because like that video game is a really great 482 00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:30.119 third chapter, but like you say, it never would have 483 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:33.440 worked as a movie, and it works better as a 484 00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:35.799 video game because you can do a lot more in 485 00:24:35.839 --> 00:24:40.440 that realm, in that world. And to that point, one 486 00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:44.720 of the biggest I'm not gonna say problems with this movie, 487 00:24:44.720 --> 00:24:47.759 but one of the things that really changed this film 488 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:51.200 and the way that it feels is the fact that 489 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:54.559 in the time between the first in the second movie, 490 00:24:55.240 --> 00:25:00.039 Ghostbusters became a Saturday morning cartoon, right. And this this 491 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:02.200 is the thing that we will talk about a lot 492 00:25:02.240 --> 00:25:05.720 with Afterlife also, because we have a lot of people 493 00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:10.079 who when Afterlife came out, had that whole conversation about 494 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:12.519 why do people revere Ghostbusters so much? Why does this 495 00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:15.240 movie treat it like it's such like heavy lore and 496 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:18.960 all this stuff. The reason is because a lot of 497 00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:22.519 us grew up on two Saturday morning Ghostbusters cartoons on 498 00:25:22.599 --> 00:25:27.880 top of the movies in those TV shows hugely impacted 499 00:25:27.880 --> 00:25:31.519 how I looked at the franchise, and so in the 500 00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:36.000 in this initial version of it, though, the real Ghostbusters 501 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:40.480 was a lot more family friendly, and in doing that 502 00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:43.359 that means that you've created an entire new fan base 503 00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:48.960 of children. So you have to start to like kind 504 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:51.960 of sand down the edges of the original. Because the 505 00:25:52.000 --> 00:25:58.920 original movie is dark, it's funny, it's a little adult. 506 00:25:59.240 --> 00:26:04.799 This one is a lot less dark, a lot less adult, 507 00:26:04.960 --> 00:26:09.599 and really kind of leans in on being more for kids. 508 00:26:10.880

--> 00:26:13.440 Birthday party version of Ghostbusters. 509 00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:15.640 Right, which, weirdly enough, the movie is kind of making 510 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:19.359 fun of upfront, but like, at the same time that 511 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:24.440 is literally what the movie is so now tonally it 512 00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:28.759 feels a little different too, and whether you like that 513 00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:31.839 or not as another thing entirely, I don't necessarily think 514 00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:36.960 it's a huge detriment, but also like they cut the 515 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:40.000 most major part of that out by having the stuff 516 00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:43.359 with Morana's chasing Slimer no longer in the movie, which 517 00:26:43.640 --> 00:26:46.519 arguably probably would have been one of the like funnier 518 00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:48.000 bits throughout the film. 519 00:26:48.279 --> 00:26:50.119 And one of the most connective tissues you think about 520 00:26:50.119 --> 00:26:53.079 a Slimmer is such a big part. Slimber became like 521 00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:56.680 really almost like partially the face of the phrase of 522 00:26:56.720 --> 00:26:59.839 the franchise really, for he was the big hit out 523 00:26:59.839 --> 00:27:02.200 of supposures that you had the ghost obviously that goes logo, 524 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:03.799 you had to stay huffed, Marshall lam and then you 525 00:27:03.799 --> 00:27:06.599 have the boys, but anybody talked about Slimer, and then 526 00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:08.519 you have in the cartoon, which, by the way, it's 527 00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:10.880 interesting because I was not one of the cartoon for 528 00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:13.240 I did never really watch the animated show, so that 529 00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:15.960 never really get resonated with me. I understand that's there, 530 00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:18.039 and I appreciate that after life took a lot from it. 531 00:27:18.039 --> 00:27:19.400 That's kind of cool. I should probably go back and 532 00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:21.000 watch at some point. I probably will at some point, 533 00:27:21.039 --> 00:27:23.400 But Slimmer was a big part of that as well. 534 00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:26.920 So like, it feels so weird that like the second 535 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:29.960 film like cut out most of his stuff, like that's 536 00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:32.319 what are you It's like having a Mandalorian Grogu movie 537 00:27:32.319 --> 00:27:37.519 without Grogu, Like, yeah, that's your childing point, that's that's 538 00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:38.359 your baby right there. 539 00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:40.759 Well, and they even made it a point that when 540 00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:42.519 they were making this, they were like, we can't really 541 00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:46.599 disregard the cartoon. So the cartoon is allegedly supposed to 542 00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:48.880 be set after the events of the second movie, which 543 00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:56.559 I think is really funny where you're like wait, wait, what, okay, okay, okay, sure, 544 00:27:57.160 --> 00:28:02.559 like that's a thing. I yeah, man, it's weird. So 545 00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:07.000 in watching this though, like there's some stuff that really 546 00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:10.440 really is fun and really works. Like I in one 547 00:28:10.519 --> 00:28:12.200 of the scenes that I was talking about, one of 548 00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:15.119 the additions to the movie was the ghost train sequence. 549 00:28:15.759 --> 00:28:20.640 That sequence is great. That's the kind of stuff like 550 00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:23.400 when the movie is really working, that's great, And I 551 00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:27.400 have to say, why the fuck does Winston not have 552 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:29.279 more to do this time around? 553 00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:31.400 Yeah, that's a really big slight. 554 00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:33.319 I mean, you understand what happened in the first one, 555 00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:35.680 the way that the way that that kind of story 556 00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:38.119 was developing, Like he was the hand me. He was 557 00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:41.319 the last guy standing like last I brought it in 558 00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:43.279 and of her, So that makes sense. But this time 559 00:28:43.319 --> 00:28:45.279 he should be a full Ghostbuster. He still feels like 560 00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:48.599 he's relegated to like the the extra hand at this point. 561 00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:52.359 I mean, in fact, he gets like when he's be 562 00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:56.400 they go the Roastbusters to go on trial and Winston's there. 563 00:28:56.759 --> 00:28:59.079 Winston wasn't even doing anything in the verse part he 564 00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:01.240 was involved in the verse part of why they're being sued. 565 00:29:01.279 --> 00:29:04.559 He wasn't there, and then he's and then he's no 566 00:29:04.640 --> 00:29:07.599 longer there, right like, So then once they put on 567 00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:12.839 the packs, he's not there, right Like what what? 568 00:29:13.079 --> 00:29:17.200 I It's so weird, it's so bizarre, Like I basically 569 00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:20.200 wonder if there was a time where like he might 570 00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:22.640 not be coming back or something like that, and they 571 00:29:22.680 --> 00:29:24.680 kind of like gave him some stuff later on. Oh, 572 00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:26.960 they kind of work something out and then they I 573 00:29:27.000 --> 00:29:28.880 don't know, I mean, I don't I don't know really, 574 00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:30.559 but like it's just that's what it feels like. It 575 00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:32.200 feels like they weren't sure he was coming back, so 576 00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:33.599 they kind of hedge their bets a little bit, and 577 00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:35.759 then like, oh, he is back, we'll throw some well 578 00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:37.680 from the locomotive

set in there. We sulready shot some 579 00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:38.880 of this stuff, so we'll just put him in this 580 00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:40.720 stuff and make it work at the animals where we 581 00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:42.640 did I think something at the end of everything else, 582 00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:44.519 because that's what it feels like, and that's unfortunate because 583 00:29:44.519 --> 00:29:46.240 like I think act like that's the one of the 584 00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:49.640 things they did did best with is they kind. 585 00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:50.160 Of made him. 586 00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:53.920 Yeah, it really really important, right, He was really a 587 00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:56.039 primary thing there. He's the one who's gonna continue on 588 00:29:56.039 --> 00:29:57.440 more than the other ones were at this point. 589 00:29:57.480 --> 00:30:01.279 Yeah. Well, and it's weird too with this because I 590 00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:04.799 think the only reason he gets bumped up when he 591 00:30:04.920 --> 00:30:07.480 does also, and I hate to say it this way, 592 00:30:08.160 --> 00:30:12.920 but it's genuinely because they kind of pull Murray out 593 00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:16.400 of all the action because he is slotted to be 594 00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:19.240 over with Dana and Oscar, right, So he's really not 595 00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:22.440 involved in the same way. 596 00:30:22.319 --> 00:30:24.680 There because he's Winston. He put him in there because 597 00:30:24.720 --> 00:30:25.559 I need a third person. 598 00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:31.119 Yeah, which just kind of feels not the best in 599 00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:33.440 my opinion, like it doesn't really work. 600 00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:35.799 You mentioned that last time. One of the best things 601 00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:38.200 about Ghostbusters One were the best scenes we had was 602 00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:42.799 that great scene between Dan Approyd and Ray and Winston 603 00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:44.920 in the car talking about the apocalypse and at the 604 00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:47.720 time and stuff. That was a great human moment. From 605 00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:51.240 then on there, that should have been Winston's role. Kingston 606 00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:53.480 is the every man who kind of like you could 607 00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:56.279 explain things. He was a great way to get exposition out. 608 00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:59.880 You also have that kind of like non scientific mind 609 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.039 to look at these kind of things, and that makes 610 00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:06.240 giving it that balance really kind of gives some interesting discussions, 611 00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:10.519 interesting conversation everything else because he got and Ray. I mean, 612 00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:12.680 it's they got great casually. Don't get me wrong, They're 613 00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:14.400 back and forth. Is fun because they put they're both 614 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:16.599 like it's always like about the smartest thing. It's like like, 615 00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:18.599 for example, my wife Kim was watching this movie last 616 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:20.720 night and she laughed hysterically at almost all the guys lines, 617 00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:23.200 especially like you know is what he says, like what 618 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:23.680 are you doing about? 619 00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:25.400 This? Is the carbon date of carbon? 620 00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:27.480 Oh? Yeah, like whatever it is. 621 00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:30.480 But he's like it's a smart way of saying well 622 00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:32.559 yeah uh, And that's a funny way to do it. 623 00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:35.119 But having Winston there from that kind of conversation, so 624 00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:38.279 you'd be like, that gives you a little humored, give 625 00:31:38.279 --> 00:31:39.680 you a little bit more of that kind of like. 626 00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:43.119 I don't know something that it's the movie is missing 627 00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:43.759 because of that. 628 00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:48.279 I think that it misses a lot because they're trying 629 00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:52.559 so hard to both recapture the magic while also not 630 00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:57.279 trying to as weird as that sounds, and it feels 631 00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:00.079 like it's at war with itself. It's the best way 632 00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:02.680 to describe it. It just doesn't quite know where it 633 00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:05.920 wants to land, right, and that's hard. 634 00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:06.920 That is the aim. 635 00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:09.000 I think part of it is that, like, you want 636 00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:13.480 to make this more viable for kids. Obviously between eighty 637 00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:16.279 four and eighty nine, this is like when the PG 638 00:32:16.319 --> 00:32:20.319 thirteen started happening, and like we're trying to between children's 639 00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:22.960 stuff and adult stuff, and we know that children's movies 640 00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:25.440 make more so maybe we could tone down the contrast 641 00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:28.000 enough to make your children friendly, so it's gonna be 642 00:32:28.039 --> 00:32:31.400 a family movie instead. Right by doing that, you'll lose 643 00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:32.920 a little bit of the edge there, a little bit 644 00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:34.160 of that, and that's what kind of like makes it 645 00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:37.119 seem a little less focused on things. 646 00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:42.279 Well, And I think that's ultimately the kind of big 647 00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:45.319 takeaway here, And that sounds so weird to only be 648 00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:48.119 like thirty minutes into this, but like my big takeaway 649 00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:52.319 is the entire movie is unfocused. It doesn't really know 650 00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:54.880 what it wants to do. And

you can tell that, 651 00:32:54.920 --> 00:32:57.359 like they really didn't have a script. I know, like 652 00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:00.680 their idea was that they were trying to create a 653 00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:03.240 movie that talked about how we need to be better 654 00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:05.720 to each other. And how like so much anger in 655 00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:10.720 one place can cause this sort of manifestation of like 656 00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:15.240 evil and like pain and hurt. And I understand that, 657 00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:18.680 but like it doesn't really come through in any sort 658 00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:19.240 of way. 659 00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:21.839 It's a great motivation and it's a great like message 660 00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:23.680 and everything else. I get it, but it's so heavy 661 00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:25.599 handed the way it's done that like it just feels 662 00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:29.240 like okay, like it just takes you out. Like it's 663 00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:31.119 funny that like ghosts and stuff don't take you out, 664 00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:33.279 but this kind of like heavy handed hammering of the 665 00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:35.839 message they're trying to say does take me out. Kind 666 00:33:35.839 --> 00:33:41.160 of like this is you're not okay. So people seeing positivity, positivity, 667 00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:44.160 that's that's when's the die. People can say positive, we 668 00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:45.799 can shoot the painting and we're good to go. 669 00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:53.039 Like what, yeah, it's real strange man, And like again 670 00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:58.640 I don't know what it is, but like Vigo is 671 00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:04.559 just such a boring villain, Like it really doesn't work 672 00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:07.000 in any sort of way outside of the fact that 673 00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:11.840 Peter McNichol gives his all as yonis like that's it. 674 00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:13.800 I yeah, he is great. 675 00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:14.559 The Victor. 676 00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:19.239 The Vigo stuff is dumb. Your your enemy is at painting. Yeah, 677 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:21.400 and then it comes to life a little bit at 678 00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:23.400 the end. He has no real I don't think he 679 00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:25.000 has any lines of dialogue. Does he even say it? 680 00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:26.559 Does he say anything? Or does he say like one 681 00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:27.440 or two things like it's. 682 00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:30.239 He has a few lines of dialogue, mostly the same thing. 683 00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:32.280 Remember he's usually repeating. 684 00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:34.599 Yeah, it's like you know, like I want to shot. 685 00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:37.880 It's like he uses the forest to like get the 686 00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:42.039 find the baby. He just it's so like ridiculously dumb. 687 00:34:42.199 --> 00:34:44.079 Way by the best part about that, honestly

is when 688 00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:48.119 Ray or when Vanknst rants trying to distract him or whatever, 689 00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:49.840 that's like the only thing does he get yet? Does 690 00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:52.880 he get Bill Murray being Bill Murray? Just throw a 691 00:34:52.920 --> 00:34:55.280 lot of Bill Murray kingo or whatever at that point. 692 00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:58.880 That's works. But yeah, it's is not a good villain 693 00:34:59.079 --> 00:34:59.400 at all. 694 00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:02.039 No, So you had to have a villain that was like, 695 00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:05.519 for example, going back to like the first film, the 696 00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:08.079 villain wasn't exactly the most compelling villain. 697 00:35:08.679 --> 00:35:09.679 Like I mean, at the end, like. 698 00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:13.719 You get the right, she's just she's basically David Bowie 699 00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:16.360 video cast off kind of standing there and does sort 700 00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:19.519 of similar things. But it feels like even that it 701 00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:24.760 was better than this is random like blonde hair, old 702 00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:26.320 guy kind of thing, just didn't. 703 00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:29.559 There was no because also, like again, I think Gozer 704 00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:35.679 feels more like a presence. Yes, really, and I think 705 00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:40.039 that becomes the biggest issue is that again they try 706 00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:43.599 to do this. There's also a few too many montages 707 00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:46.079 in this that sounds weird, but there's like a couple 708 00:35:46.079 --> 00:35:48.039 of different montages because they took a bunch of the 709 00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:50.119 stuff they deleted and they kept trying to find ways 710 00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:54.000 to use it, so they'd like put it into the montages. 711 00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:55.719 Which felt like they were basically YadA YadA YadA in 712 00:35:55.800 --> 00:35:57.920 it for you. Yeah, it's like, yeah, you know, you 713 00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:00.119 know what's going on here, so YadA YadA YadA will get. 714 00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:04.400 Yeah, And so they have throughout they have this like 715 00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:06.760 they keep seeing the slime. They keep seeing the slime, 716 00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:11.719 but I never feel like it has its place, like 717 00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:15.320 when the stuff with Gozer is a lot of the 718 00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:19.679 ghosts are coming back because of Goser like that. I 719 00:36:19.880 --> 00:36:23.960 liked that because the dead coming back was partially because 720 00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:25.480 of Goser. 721 00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:28.320 Building the time everything. Yeah, you had like a prophecy, 722 00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:31.440 a reason for happening the slime. You don't even either 723 00:36:32.199 --> 00:36:34.119 what is the connection between the slime and Digo. We 724 00:36:34.119 --> 00:36:36.239 have no idea why you see it the one time 725 00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:38.199 in that painting or the photo of the painting, we 726 00:36:38.239 --> 00:36:40.920 see the river slime underneath the Digo's hut, but there's 727 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:44.280 no real explanation of like what. 728 00:36:43.519 --> 00:36:47.039 Other than it's just everyone's anger becoming this thing. 729 00:36:47.239 --> 00:36:49.039 But what does that have to do with Vega? Like that? 730 00:36:49.199 --> 00:36:52.119 Like, no, no, no, I know, I'm not arguing with you. 731 00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:53.239 I'm just saying it. 732 00:36:53.159 --> 00:36:54.760 Seems like there's two separate villains here. 733 00:36:55.960 --> 00:37:01.280 No, no, no, he just uses that, right, It's okay, No, 734 00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:04.599 I don't I don't look, I am not. I am 735 00:37:04.599 --> 00:37:10.559 not arguing with you. It just it doesn't really work. 736 00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:16.559 And it's kind of a bummer because like the villain 737 00:37:16.599 --> 00:37:20.920 looks cool like he on paper. This idea that an 738 00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:23.519 evil painting is going to come to life and like 739 00:37:23.639 --> 00:37:27.079 try to possess people is actually kind of neat. The 740 00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:30.679 problem is is that I just don't care because it 741 00:37:30.760 --> 00:37:35.480 doesn't really build off of anything. And again, you've also 742 00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:40.239 introduced the son of a character that we love, but 743 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:43.559 because it's a child and it's a character. I don't know, 744 00:37:45.400 --> 00:37:49.599 I'm less inclined to care. I think I'd cared more 745 00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:54.679 had it been like eiter, yeah, yeah, like had it 746 00:37:54.840 --> 00:37:56.800 been Peter's son, right, I. 747 00:37:56.719 --> 00:38:00.239 Agree, I agree, and like, I mean it's not like 748 00:38:00.280 --> 00:38:03.320 they use that for anything, but said like a few 749 00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:06.760 lines of dialogue, I mean, Bill Murray still has is 750 00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:08.639 Bill Murray. So he's so fun and like he still 751 00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:10.480 plays it a little bit, but like it still feels 752 00:38:10.480 --> 00:38:13.280 like this would have been much better if this was 753 00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:16.320 his kid, and like he ran away, he ran away 754 00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:19.079 from the marriage or from the kid because he's irresponsible 755 00:38:19.440 --> 00:38:22.119 bank comment and stuff. And then he like us this 756 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:24.559 film to get back together to learn like they should 757 00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:26.360 be a good father. Like that would actually be a 758 00:38:26.400 --> 00:38:29.079 story worth telling in this is now. Just like because 759 00:38:29.119 --> 00:38:33.199 like it feels like she had this whole relationship in 760 00:38:33.280

--> 00:38:35.000 five years, she had this like she found with her 761 00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:36.800 guy who I don't know it was supposed to be 762 00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:38.199 the guy from the first film or not. 763 00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:39.639 I kind of felt like that's what it was supposed 764 00:38:39.639 --> 00:38:41.239 to be. That was like the guy. 765 00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:43.360 Yeah, you don't really get an answer for that in 766 00:38:43.440 --> 00:38:44.119 any capacity. 767 00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:45.079 I think it's supposed to be. 768 00:38:45.119 --> 00:38:47.480 But that's my own like headcanon, I guess, So we 769 00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:49.440 have this guy, they get together, they have a kid. 770 00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:51.960 Somehow it doesn't work, and he goes to he goes 771 00:38:52.000 --> 00:38:54.320 to London and leaves her, and now he's back. She's back, 772 00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:56.920 and like, we don't hear anything about any connection with 773 00:38:57.000 --> 00:38:58.119 him at all, Like we don't know if that he's 774 00:38:58.119 --> 00:39:00.360 in the life of Oscar, like Oscar's day, and she 775 00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:03.960 doesn't call him once, like we don't that's hold on 776 00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:06.000 the key. He goes, hey, you better come back, or 777 00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:08.719 we should going down with their son. No, No, Vancment's 778 00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:12.480 now basically the father, So why not just I don't know, 779 00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:13.440 make vancmm the father? 780 00:39:13.760 --> 00:39:15.199 Really yeah? 781 00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:18.559 And it to me it doesn't make sense that he's not, 782 00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:22.639 and they originally had it that he was. And again 783 00:39:22.719 --> 00:39:25.039 I think this is one of those they thought too 784 00:39:25.119 --> 00:39:28.400 hard about trying to subvert expectations going into making this 785 00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:31.679 that the stuff that felt the most logical is the 786 00:39:31.679 --> 00:39:36.000 stuff that they shied away from, Like the Ghostbusters should 787 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:38.760 have still been heroes, Peter and Dana should have still 788 00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:42.039 been together and should that probably should have been his kid. 789 00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:45.000 And I only say this not because I want that 790 00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:48.400 to be the case. I say that because when you 791 00:39:48.440 --> 00:39:51.519 watch the movie, it doesn't work in the right way. 792 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:54.880 It's different when you watch something like The Force Awakens, Right, 793 00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:59.440 I understand why they do what they do with Han 794 00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:02.360 and Lea when you introduce Ben to the mix and 795 00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:08.079 what happened with Ben. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I don't get 796 00:40:08.119 --> 00:40:11.079 that here, and I know that that's a weird comparison, 797 00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:14.480 but like it kind of serves the same purpose again 798 00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:19.199 dial A Destiny. I understand where we meet Indie with 799 00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:22.639 his stuff with Marion Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. Similarly, 800 00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:26.360 like I do understand those places where we do that stuff. 801 00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:31.280 So it's not that I can't get past this, it's 802 00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:34.480 that I think in this case in particular, it doesn't 803 00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:37.280 work and doesn't make sense for the time jump that 804 00:40:37.519 --> 00:40:40.119 has happened, and because the movie doesn't give me a 805 00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:43.280 reason to believe that it happened for any other reason 806 00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:45.320 other than just to do that. 807 00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:49.039 It doesn't and it doesn't work because they don't do 808 00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:52.639 anything with it. Like the idea is they're a part, 809 00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:55.039 she has a kid, they get back together, but there's 810 00:40:55.199 --> 00:40:58.719 no real tension between the two characters. Like I said, 811 00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:01.920 pretty much from the get go, after like the first 812 00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:06.800 like scene, and even then on like moments they're basically together, 813 00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:09.360 like they're throwing a few barbs out way, but that's 814 00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:12.320 why they were in a relationship anyway. So so you 815 00:41:12.360 --> 00:41:15.800 create all this like potential pretension and then there's like 816 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:18.760 no tension there. It's like we're moving on, like yeah, 817 00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:19.800 I don't know, I don't know. 818 00:41:20.440 --> 00:41:22.719 No, you're one hundred percent right, And that's part of 819 00:41:22.719 --> 00:41:28.719 why this just doesn't really come together in the right way. 820 00:41:28.760 --> 00:41:32.119 It's frustrating, man, because the more I think about it, 821 00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:37.840 the more kind of bummed I get. Because and it's 822 00:41:37.840 --> 00:41:39.960 not like I was bummed out watching it. I was 823 00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:42.920 enjoying watching it because I like the characters. But the 824 00:41:42.960 --> 00:41:45.280 truth of the matter is is that as it goes, 825 00:41:45.679 --> 00:41:49.400 I'm just thinking about it more and I'm like, huh, 826 00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:54.800 I don't really like most of this movie, Like I 827 00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:59.000 like watching it, but I don't like thinking about it 828 00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:01.840 because the more I think about it, the more frustrated 829 00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:09.280 I get. Like so, also, the Ghostbusters are now villains. 830 00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:13.480 People don't believe them or any of this, but Egon 831 00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:19.039 has now this like

cushy science job with some university, 832 00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:24.320 and Peter is a TV celebrity, right, what. 833 00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:30.760 But they're villains. But they're villains, they're hoaxes, they're whatever. 834 00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:34.159 How Like there's not only their villains, their hoaxes and 835 00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:37.679 their cond men. So, I mean, Peter, I can kind 836 00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:39.840 of maybe get the comment being like the world a 837 00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:42.199 psychic kind of guy. Sure, maybe I can buy that, 838 00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:44.840 But like Egan's like cushy gig just makes that the 839 00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:45.719 least sense. 840 00:42:45.519 --> 00:42:48.760 Of everything involved. Pete opening his bookstore is probably I 841 00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:50.440 mean y opening the bookstore. That's great. 842 00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:52.360 I like that because I love that. That's actually lower 843 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:54.320 because that's actually Lord. Like this built upon Mecy. 844 00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:55.119 She has the. 845 00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:58.760 Occult books a great little space for him. But you're 846 00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:00.880 you're right, I'm watching it more I watched this the 847 00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:03.760 more and more I rewatched it. Ghostbusters two might be 848 00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:07.280 one of the most ultimate background movies to have. Like, 849 00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:09.440 you don't sit down to watch this movie. You sound 850 00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:11.239 to have it on the background in front and laugh 851 00:43:11.920 --> 00:43:14.880 the balls off at some of the good moments, but like, 852 00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:17.280 don't want to engage in the storytally because the story's 853 00:43:18.320 --> 00:43:18.800 not there. 854 00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.679 The story is one no, And I hate to say 855 00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:29.480 it because that is going to continue to be This 856 00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:33.920 movie's biggest issue is that there's just the story's not there, 857 00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:39.159 the the care for it is not there. I hate 858 00:43:39.199 --> 00:43:44.599 saying that because I don't like feeling like this. 859 00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:47.960 And it's funny because Afroy really does care. There is 860 00:43:48.079 --> 00:43:50.559 I there's a few people out there who care as 861 00:43:50.679 --> 00:43:54.320 much about a franchise and like it's lore and stuff whatever, 862 00:43:54.880 --> 00:43:58.280 it's world to den Afroid. Does you hear him talk 863 00:43:58.280 --> 00:44:00.239 about this franchise? You hear him talk about this tips 864 00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:03.320 down the rookie does through he and like throughout the 865 00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:05.960 whole developmental health of Ghostbusters three, he was always the 866 00:44:05.960 --> 00:44:08.360 appointment of He wanted to do this. He had so 867 00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:11.840 much faith in this world. He loved this world everything else. 868 00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:14.119 And yet it's like you love this world, then you 869 00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:17.400 kind of come up with this and that that's your 870 00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:19.239 pet Sean, that's true, that's you're going through. 871 00:44:19.760 --> 00:44:25.639 Yeah, it's wild. Well because even going into like the 872 00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:29.119 thirtieth anniversary when they did all those like nice special 873 00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:31.119 editions of the movie and they did all those like 874 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:34.800 looking back docks were the two people that were sitting 875 00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:37.400 in those chairs when they were talking about it. It 876 00:44:37.440 --> 00:44:39.960 was Ivan and Dan, like they were the two who 877 00:44:40.559 --> 00:44:42.400 were the ones who would talk about it He's the 878 00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:44.840 one who's involved in every documentary that you'll ever watch 879 00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:49.199 about the Ghostbusters because he legitimately cares. Dude, he wrote 880 00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:50.480 the script for the video game. 881 00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:54.199 Yeah, yeah, Like I actually have to wonder. I still 882 00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:57.400 have to wonder if Harold hadn't a past, would Bill 883 00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:00.800 have come back for After Life? Because Bill it feels 884 00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:02.800 like Bill comes back for After Life because he loves 885 00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:05.400 Harold Ramis and like kind of wanted to like have 886 00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:07.559 that kind of closure of sorts in a way. 887 00:45:08.559 --> 00:45:09.920 And that's what That's what it feels like to me. 888 00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:13.199 I think it were kindled enough to come back for 889 00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:16.360 pros An Empire. Obviously likely he did come back again 890 00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:18.360 f Frozen Empire at that point, if we have a 891 00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:19.760 new film, is he gonna be in the Will he 892 00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:21.039 come back again for the new film? 893 00:45:21.079 --> 00:45:22.360 I don't know. It's hard to hard to. 894 00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:24.760 Tell, you know. It's so interesting you bring that up, 895 00:45:24.800 --> 00:45:29.559 because Frozen Empire, weirdly enough, falls into a lot of 896 00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:34.320 the same traps that this movie does. It feels very 897 00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:37.119 tonally different from the one before it. It does a 898 00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:39.239 lot of the same, like there's too many characters, some 899 00:45:39.280 --> 00:45:43.159 of the focus feels weird, a lot of a lot 900 00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:45.840 of focus on kind of standing down some of the 901 00:45:45.920 --> 00:45:48.800 edges for some of the new fans, like really based 902 00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:51.400 some of your stuff around the cartoon.

So it feels 903 00:45:51.440 --> 00:45:56.320 like that, But that one's a lot more fun, yes, 904 00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:59.000 and it feels a lot more earned. And we'll talk 905 00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:00.639 about it when we get to that one. But it's 906 00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:03.400 very interesting that I can point to two different versions 907 00:46:03.440 --> 00:46:08.199 of like Ghostbusters two, as it were, and they kind 908 00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:11.800 of fall into the same pitfalls, and yet I still 909 00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:15.039 think one does it so much better than the other one. 910 00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:18.760 So it's the funniest that It's hard for me to 911 00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:21.280 say for sure about that because I haven't watched Frozen 912 00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:22.840 Empires since it was in the theaters, so I have 913 00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:25.679 not been watched it less. So I'm very interested to 914 00:46:25.719 --> 00:46:29.519 getting there and rewatching. I really did enjoy it, you know, 915 00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:31.719 the in the theaters when I saw it, I saw 916 00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:33.400 some of the cracks that people were talking about, but 917 00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:34.639 I did enjoy it overall. 918 00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:36.760 So I'm very interesting if I come away with the 919 00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:37.519 same thoughts to you do. 920 00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:40.559 Yeah, I was thinking about it while I was watching it, 921 00:46:40.599 --> 00:46:43.079 where I was like, huh, A lot of my issues 922 00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:46.280 with this movie are also present in that movie. But 923 00:46:46.360 --> 00:46:51.239 I think it's more refined, and I think that's arguably 924 00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:54.159 the biggest part is it just feels more refined overall. 925 00:46:56.360 --> 00:46:59.239 I do wonder if it's because another reason why, and 926 00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:02.400 I could be could be completely mistaken here, but it 927 00:47:02.440 --> 00:47:09.559 feels like there was a time like nowadays more can 928 00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:16.719 in all that stuff just feels so much more important. 929 00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:17.440 That it used to. 930 00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:20.880 Like Ghostbuster, like in the nineteen eighties, they made a 931 00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:22.760 sequel that kind of was like, well, day, we're not 932 00:47:22.800 --> 00:47:24.639 funny that whatever it did contradict something a little bit 933 00:47:24.639 --> 00:47:27.440 back kind of we'll this massage and make it work, 934 00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:30.320 and we like forgive those like back of the growing up. 935 00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:32.199 We forgive all those kind of like little moments like 936 00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:34.400 that generally speaking, because we're like, oh, we love being 937 00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:35.079 in the world again. 938 00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:36.079 We don't do that now now. 939 00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:38.519 We're kind of like, as a as a fan of 940 00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:41.079 in general, as like a people movie going people in general, 941 00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:43.760 we're got, Oh, that's not my Ghostbusters. 942 00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:44.920 Oh they just fucked this up. 943 00:47:44.960 --> 00:47:47.559 They natural they do nowadays, And like, I hate that, 944 00:47:47.639 --> 00:47:49.679 to be honestly, I think it's probably a happy medium 945 00:47:49.719 --> 00:47:51.000 somewhere that we should probably get to. 946 00:47:51.159 --> 00:47:53.440 But oh, there's absolutely a happy medium. 947 00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:55.079 Which we should strive for it. I would think we 948 00:47:55.280 --> 00:47:57.800 scare more towards being the forgiving of it. Let's just 949 00:47:57.800 --> 00:47:59.559 watch a good movie, just make a good movie, and 950 00:47:59.599 --> 00:48:02.639 everything else, but it is what it is. I think 951 00:48:02.679 --> 00:48:07.000 those questions too, just didn't quite have a handle on it. 952 00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:11.760 No, and again, I do think that the fact that 953 00:48:11.840 --> 00:48:14.559 Murray had walked away from acting after the first one 954 00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:17.519 didn't help the situation. The fact that the dude who 955 00:48:17.559 --> 00:48:23.119 ran Columbia also was kind of not really that interested 956 00:48:23.159 --> 00:48:26.280 in making the movie. The cast actually wasn't really that 957 00:48:26.400 --> 00:48:30.519 interested in making the movie. It's hard because at the 958 00:48:30.599 --> 00:48:34.800 end of the day, when you're not interested, it comes through. 959 00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:40.559 And I've said this before on here, there's nothing more 960 00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:45.079 joyous than watching a movie where everyone involved is clearly 961 00:48:45.119 --> 00:48:49.000 having the time of their lives, because that joy and 962 00:48:49.039 --> 00:48:53.400 that care and that feeling comes through every single frame. 963 00:48:55.119 --> 00:48:57.920 And this is one of those times where you can 964 00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:00.920 point to it and go like, look, we've been hard 965 00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:03.760 on this movie. Don't get me wrong, but it's watchable. 966 00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:08.280 It's not bad, it's not good. It just kind of exists. 967 00:49:08.719 --> 00:49:10.920 But the truth of the matter is is that you 968 00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:15.239 watch this in people's hesitation to be involved comes through. 969 00:49:15.559 --> 00:49:20.159 People's feelings about being on set, comes through. People knowing 970 00:49:20.239 --> 00:49:23.559 that they're having problems with the story comes through, and 971 00:49:23.599 --> 00:49:28.000 you just can't quite get past that. So there's a 972 00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:30.239 part of the movie. I don't want to say that 973 00:49:30.360 --> 00:49:35.760 it feels aimless, but it feels a little bit lethargic,

right, 974 00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:41.559 and that you know that's that sucks because it's not 975 00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:45.920 for lack of trying, but it's just lack of care. 976 00:49:47.559 --> 00:49:52.519 Yeah, yeah, I gotta say it's almost like less about 977 00:49:52.679 --> 00:49:54.719 care almost was about it just be more like. 978 00:49:57.039 --> 00:50:00.880 Ansi adiance is the wrong word too against it. 979 00:50:00.880 --> 00:50:03.639 They just because I think they all liked the universe, 980 00:50:03.639 --> 00:50:05.480 and they all loved the first movie. They loved what 981 00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:08.639 it meant everything else, it's just kind of like it 982 00:50:08.840 --> 00:50:12.320 felt inevitable, and that's what this movie feels. It just 983 00:50:12.360 --> 00:50:16.480 feels like it's an inevitable continuation, whether you were ready 984 00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:19.039 to do it or not. But again, they couldn't wait 985 00:50:19.039 --> 00:50:20.840 too much longer. It's been five years. You weren't gonna 986 00:50:20.920 --> 00:50:22.840 wait another ten years to do a sequel at that point. 987 00:50:22.880 --> 00:50:24.800 I mean, these were back in the day our sequels 988 00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:27.239 would come like once every year, or like every least 989 00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:29.840 two years, three years at most five years feels like 990 00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:32.440 a lot of maternity between one or two. 991 00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:40.039 I'll say this, I almost wish they had waited a decade, 992 00:50:40.239 --> 00:50:43.400 you know why, because then a lot of the storyline 993 00:50:43.400 --> 00:50:44.840 stuff I'd have bought into more. 994 00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:47.960 I agree absolutely that. 995 00:50:48.000 --> 00:50:51.920 Might be the biggest epiphany moment of all this is 996 00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:55.679 that this movie almost would have been better off having 997 00:50:55.800 --> 00:51:01.559 moved in that direction. That said, I do think that 998 00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:03.920 the video game and I want to get into this 999 00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:06.119 a little bit just because it, like it is directly 1000 00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:09.639 the third movie based off of this. I appreciate that 1001 00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:12.239 once you got to that, they didn't do that again, 1002 00:51:12.559 --> 00:51:15.320 Like they don't do the everyone turns against them now 1003 00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:19.239 everyone actually cares. No one is going like they lean 1004 00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:21.800 on them. They know that they're important. They're not gonna 1005 00:51:22.119 --> 00:51:25.400 like turn on them again. I like that. I think 1006 00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:30.280 that's great. And then everyone forgets about them again by 1007 00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:32.039 the time we get to Afterlife. 1008 00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:35.280 Because of course, well does after Math I don't know see? 1009 00:51:35.400 --> 00:51:37.119 And again I never replayed the video game either, just 1010 00:51:37.119 --> 00:51:39.360 say you know, I never did that, so like did Afterlife? 1011 00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:42.039 Does After Life take the video game into accounts? 1012 00:51:42.159 --> 00:51:45.480 Mm hmm, yeah, they because it was all kind of 1013 00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:49.760 kept conceptually canon since it was also like the last 1014 00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:54.639 of the appearances of the three, which I do appreciate. 1015 00:51:56.280 --> 00:52:01.039 I really like that Jason felt it was an important 1016 00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:05.159 to keep that stuff involved in some capacity and we 1017 00:52:05.239 --> 00:52:07.679 have to remember too. And this will be a conversation 1018 00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:10.639 we have once we get to Afterlife though. Is that 1019 00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:17.840 so much of that movie also hinders on reveals of 1020 00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:23.440 information about Egon that is never in these films because 1021 00:52:23.760 --> 00:52:26.079 we have to remember that during the times and all this. 1022 00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:28.559 The other thing is we don't know that he has 1023 00:52:28.599 --> 00:52:34.920 a kid, right, and we don't learn that until Afterlife, right. 1024 00:52:35.440 --> 00:52:35.679 Yeah? 1025 00:52:36.760 --> 00:52:40.800 So I definitely that's not what I'm very interested to remusical. 1026 00:52:40.880 --> 00:52:44.480 So I haven't watched since the theater either Boy watched him. 1027 00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:48.519 I genuinely think that the one and the two I 1028 00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:52.480 revisit most or the original and Afterlife. You you know 1029 00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:57.320 what you should do? You should watch the game because 1030 00:52:57.559 --> 00:53:00.320 they someone has like put all the cut scenes together 1031 00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:03.239 as a movie on YouTube, so you can because you 1032 00:53:03.280 --> 00:53:05.280 can at least watch it and like it is all 1033 00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:08.199 of them, like so Marie is in it, like everyone 1034 00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:11.239 is back as it And I love that you play 1035 00:53:11.320 --> 00:53:14.480 as a character who is a new recruit that they 1036 00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:16.599 don't give a voice to. You only see yourself a 1037 00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:19.960 couple of times. They won't give you the name because 1038 00:53:20.360 --> 00:53:22.320 Peter doesn't want to get it too attached in case 1039 00:53:22.320 --> 00:53:24.760 something happens to you. So you are just a nameless 1040 00:53:24.800 --> 00:53:27.880 dude who's hanging around the Ghostbusters throughout this big event. 1041 00:53:30.960 --> 00:53:33.800 Yeah, what's it called again? Ghostbusters? 1042 00:53:33.920 --> 00:53:37.639 Just Ghostbusters the game? Oh okay, it was like a 1043 00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:42.639 PS three game, question mark. I just replayed it last 1044

00:53:42.719 --> 00:53:46.920 year because it's on If anyone wants to play it, 1045 00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:50.119 I'm pretty sure you can buy it on Xbox or 1046 00:53:50.280 --> 00:53:52.239 like most of the stores. You can buy it as 1047 00:53:52.280 --> 00:53:56.360 a game, but like it's super fun as a franchise, 1048 00:53:56.480 --> 00:54:01.440 for like as a part of the franchise. I really 1049 00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:09.039 really like it. Yeah, yeah, cut, Yeah, you'll have to 1050 00:54:09.079 --> 00:54:11.960 watch it because it's I think you're going to get 1051 00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:16.119 a kick out of it, just because it is so 1052 00:54:16.400 --> 00:54:18.440 fun seeing them all together like that. 1053 00:54:19.079 --> 00:54:19.519 Right. 1054 00:54:21.159 --> 00:54:26.280 I'm so curious because are we getting another movie is 1055 00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:32.320 the real question, because not that Frozen Empire did fine, 1056 00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:38.480 it didn't happen, yeah, kind of like this one. This 1057 00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:43.760 one only did find comparative to the original, and in Hinds. 1058 00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:47.400 So the second So Frozen Empire made two hundred and 1059 00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:50.920 two million dollars. I like that. This is where I'm 1060 00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:53.480 going at this point as we're having this conversation. So 1061 00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:59.360 it actually only made two million dollars less than After Life. Okay, 1062 00:55:00.599 --> 00:55:06.840 so for all intents and purposes, that's not terrible. Now 1063 00:55:06.880 --> 00:55:10.800 it costs twenty five million dollars more, right, Right, but 1064 00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:15.719 you could probably pretty easily get that contained if you 1065 00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:16.320 wanted to. 1066 00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:17.559 Right. 1067 00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:20.159 So, I'm very curious to see if we are getting 1068 00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:23.760 another one, because there hasn't really been an update since 1069 00:55:23.760 --> 00:55:26.880 October other than them saying yes, we're going to do 1070 00:55:26.920 --> 00:55:27.440 another one. 1071 00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:30.360 Yeah, like they're working towards stuff. When I've heard that 1072 00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:32.119 a bunch of times, so it's like, okay, maybe that's 1073 00:55:32.119 --> 00:55:33.920 it too. But yeah, I agree, it seems like it's 1074 00:55:34.960 --> 00:55:36.880 it might be what Rightman wants to do. But I'm 1075 00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:39.039 also her Jay Strepen isn't like it because he didn't 1076 00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:40.159 direct for his empire. 1077 00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:40.960 Nobody wrote it. 1078 00:55:41.239 --> 00:55:43.280 He wrote it, right, Does he like still want to 1079 00:55:43.320 --> 00:55:43.920 be involved? 1080 00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:47.920 Like, I mean, he's he he is overseeing all the 1081 00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:52.119 Ghostbuster stuff

from now on, so he's kind of doing 1082 00:55:52.199 --> 00:55:56.360 what Gun is doing at DC where he don't. I'm 1083 00:55:56.400 --> 00:55:58.159 not going to say that they have their own studio, 1084 00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:00.920 but they kind of do, actually because like Ghosts Core 1085 00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:04.840 is its own studio now at Sony that develops all 1086 00:56:04.840 --> 00:56:09.360 these Ghostbusters projects, right, and Reightman kind of oversees everything 1087 00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:12.239 to make sure that he feels it's in line with 1088 00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:18.559 what his father was doing. Basic right, right, Because you 1089 00:56:18.599 --> 00:56:21.039 don't want to run into not because I don't like 1090 00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:23.360 the twenty sixteen movie. I actually like it quite a bit. 1091 00:56:23.719 --> 00:56:25.440 And we'll talk about that when we get to that 1092 00:56:25.480 --> 00:56:28.000 one too, which I've now set a few times over. 1093 00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:33.559 But like, you don't want to run into a place 1094 00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:37.199 where you get bogged down again, because the biggest problem 1095 00:56:37.239 --> 00:56:39.840 with the twenty sixteen film is that it almost put 1096 00:56:39.960 --> 00:56:43.119 the franchise back on ice again until Jason showed up 1097 00:56:43.119 --> 00:56:48.960 and was like, cool, I'm doing this right, Tony, Well, me. 1098 00:56:48.960 --> 00:56:52.079 Too, because that could have that could have killed a 1099 00:56:52.119 --> 00:56:56.400 franchise and like not that like and again we'll get 1100 00:56:56.400 --> 00:56:56.519 to that. 1101 00:56:56.599 --> 00:56:59.400 We'll get to that film obviously at that point too. 1102 00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:02.360 I I don't think either of us dislike it as 1103 00:57:02.440 --> 00:57:06.320 much as some people do, but it is definitively it 1104 00:57:06.360 --> 00:57:09.480 was a different, big swing, different kind of thing. I 1105 00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:11.360 don't think it was the right swing, to be honest 1106 00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:13.079 with you, but there's still stuff I like about it. 1107 00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:16.199 But yeah, it could have killed the franchise, and I'm 1108 00:57:16.239 --> 00:57:18.719 glad that it did so. 1109 00:57:18.719 --> 00:57:22.039 So. And here's what's interesting is right now there's two 1110 00:57:22.119 --> 00:57:27.239 animated series that are right. One is a Netflix series 1111 00:57:27.519 --> 00:57:32.960 that is tonally similar to Afterlife and Frozen Empire. And 1112 00:57:33.000 --> 00:57:36.840 then I guess there is a prequel series that they're 1113 00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:41.960 potentially working on about when about the characters when they 1114 00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:43.440 met in high school. 1115 00:57:43.880 --> 00:57:48.800 Like the original three. Okay, so young Ghostbusters kind of thing. Oh, interesting, interesting, 1116 00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:53.599 that could be well, I think, how if that's what 1117 00:57:53.599 --> 00:57:55.400 we'd like to see or not like that kind of stuff. 1118 00:57:55.440 --> 00:57:57.199 Like sometimes it feels like, you know, we had we've 1119 00:57:57.199 --> 00:58:00.119 had a discussion about, like why do we have Why 1120 00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:03.239 is there talk of a die Hard prequel when Diehard Mede, 1121 00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:05.199 John McLean, John McLain otherwise used to beat cop. 1122 00:58:05.239 --> 00:58:07.519 That's not interesting to us. I mean, I. 1123 00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:10.719 Guess it's interesting seeing the guys have their chemistry and stuff. 1124 00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:13.039 But if the name of the film is Ghostbusters and 1125 00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:15.679 we're learning about ghost person, it's a prequel about Ghostbusters, 1126 00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:19.639 but they're not really dealing with ghostbusting too much, then, like, 1127 00:58:20.280 --> 00:58:21.159 what's the concept? 1128 00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:22.639 Like it feels like it's. 1129 00:58:22.480 --> 00:58:26.119 Like a little no no disagreement for me if at 1130 00:58:26.159 --> 00:58:29.400 this point it's one of those like, I mean, Ray 1131 00:58:29.440 --> 00:58:31.760 has obviously always been into the occult and stuff, so 1132 00:58:31.800 --> 00:58:34.840 I guess there's ways to say you could do things, 1133 00:58:34.880 --> 00:58:38.559 but like, right, I don't know, I don't. I also 1134 00:58:38.639 --> 00:58:41.239 fear that if you do that, you play with fire 1135 00:58:41.360 --> 00:58:42.559 a little bit because. 1136 00:58:42.360 --> 00:58:48.079 It also you don't have Acroid Murray or MS and that, 1137 00:58:48.199 --> 00:58:50.280 Like that feels like that's what makes them work. 1138 00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:56.039 Granted, if you get someone if it is animated and 1139 00:58:56.079 --> 00:59:00.079 you can do like you can get voice actors that 1140 00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:00.719 can do. 1141 00:59:00.599 --> 00:59:04.440 That, right, but again they're younger, so they would even 1142 00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:07.800 sound like that necessarily. It feels a little weird. It 1143 00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:09.800 feels a little like stressed me. So the other one 1144 00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:13.119 was one. So the other one was there was more. 1145 00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:15.599 Of a it's going to be more of just like 1146 00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:19.880 a Ghostbuster series that's tonally similar to Acrofro as an empire. 1147 00:59:20.159 --> 00:59:24.440 We have to assume it's said in the universe, but 1148 00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:28.000 like whether it follows those characters, we don't know. Right. 1149 00:59:28.119 --> 00:59:31.360 No one has said anything other than it is coming. 1150 00:59:32.239 --> 00:59:34.559 As of April twenty twenty five, it was announced that 1151 00:59:35.159 --> 00:59:38.280 Flying Mark Productions was animating it and it would

be 1152 00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:38.920 on Netflix. 1153 00:59:39.679 --> 00:59:42.519 Okay, so that that one feels more exciting to me. 1154 00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:45.480 It's more like, yeah, that one feels more excited to 1155 00:59:45.519 --> 00:59:47.039 me than the other one does, to be honest. 1156 00:59:48.480 --> 00:59:51.599 Because it's also the one that Jason has overseen, oh, 1157 00:59:51.599 --> 00:59:56.880 which he's overseen both. But it seems like Ackroyd is 1158 00:59:56.880 --> 01:00:00.000 the one who like he wrote the prequel script because 1159 01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:00.719 of course he did it. 1160 01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:03.440 Oh whoa okay, and. 1161 01:00:03.280 --> 01:00:05.599 He took because and he took that to right Man, 1162 01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:07.840 and right Man has been developing it with him. But like, 1163 01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:12.400 the one that's clearly taken precedent is the Netflix one, 1164 01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:18.280 because that seems like the easier sell. Also, here's where 1165 01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:22.519 we're at. We've reached the point where we were in 1166 01:00:22.559 --> 01:00:30.679 the nineties. Ghostbusters has had two movies. Ghostbusters has a 1167 01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:36.719 cultural zeitgeist moment where The Afterlife was hugely successful. It 1168 01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:38.639 came out at a time when we all didn't know 1169 01:00:38.679 --> 01:00:43.000 we needed it. It hit, it came, we loved it. Basically, 1170 01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:50.920 it came, it saw, it kicked our ass. Yeah, then 1171 01:00:51.079 --> 01:00:55.119 it had a sequel that people liked but didn't love. 1172 01:00:55.760 --> 01:00:58.840 Audiences liked Ghostbusters two when it came out. Critically it 1173 01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:01.159 was not nearly as well, but like it got an 1174 01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:04.480 A minus Cinema score at the time, like so historically 1175 01:01:04.599 --> 01:01:08.320 audiences liked it more than they didn't, right, but it 1176 01:01:08.360 --> 01:01:12.280 didn't do as well as the original, And it had 1177 01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:16.079 a cartoon series that followed it that became arguably more popular. 1178 01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:19.400 Because the Extreme Ghostbusters TV series that was on in 1179 01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:22.679 the nineties was a huge part of my upbringing and 1180 01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:26.639 part of why I love Ghostbusters so much because it 1181 01:01:26.679 --> 01:01:28.840 was a show that like really dived into the lore 1182 01:01:29.000 --> 01:01:31.360 in the world. Like the Real Ghostbusters was fun, but 1183 01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:34.000 it was the Extreme Ghostbuster series that made me like 1184 01:01:34.079 --> 01:01:38.039 fall in love with this world more two as far 1185 01:01:38.079 --> 01:01:42.880 as so, Real Ghostbusters was a lot more like Saturday 1186 01:01:42.920 --> 01:01:48.000 Morning cartoony and followed the four leads that we knew. 1187 01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:52.599 Extreme Ghostbusters only had egon and it had a new 1188 01:01:52.760 --> 01:01:56.480 crew and it was like a bunch of younger kids 1189 01:01:56.519 --> 01:01:59.239 who were with him, not younger kids, but like teenagers 1190 01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:02.159 twenty something year olds who were working alongside him, and 1191 01:02:02.199 --> 01:02:05.159 it was a lot more syndicated, think like gargoyles and 1192 01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:07.679 things like that from the nineties, so it had that 1193 01:02:08.000 --> 01:02:11.639 in like again in the name extreme Ghostbusters, this idea 1194 01:02:11.719 --> 01:02:17.760 that it was more like, you know, intense comparatively, and 1195 01:02:18.039 --> 01:02:22.920 it was more trying to be a push forward for 1196 01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:24.199 the franchise. 1197 01:02:24.079 --> 01:02:27.039 As far as development goes. Like who is like behind 1198 01:02:27.199 --> 01:02:33.280 them in that one or barely I don't know, I'm. 1199 01:02:33.079 --> 01:02:36.280 Looking right now. Jeff Lyne, who I think was involved 1200 01:02:36.280 --> 01:02:40.519 in the Men in Black series Funny Enough, which actually 1201 01:02:40.599 --> 01:02:42.119 they look kind of similar. 1202 01:02:42.280 --> 01:02:44.360 Also makes sense. 1203 01:02:45.719 --> 01:02:48.079 But it was super cool and it was really fun. 1204 01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:51.320 It was forty episodes. I'm sure you can find it, 1205 01:02:51.480 --> 01:02:54.480 but like that was the I think that was the 1206 01:02:54.519 --> 01:02:57.599 show that made a lot of people like me really 1207 01:02:57.639 --> 01:03:01.800 see Ghostbusters as more than eight movie franchise, more than 1208 01:03:01.920 --> 01:03:02.960 just thing. 1209 01:03:03.239 --> 01:03:05.800 Right, that makes sense. Oh that's my cue. 1210 01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:07.280 Like years down the line, after you get through on 1211 01:03:07.280 --> 01:03:10.519 my other DC Animated and stuff and Marvel I'm going through. 1212 01:03:10.880 --> 01:03:12.519 I would want to do that someday potentially. 1213 01:03:13.039 --> 01:03:17.239 Yeah, No, it's it's worth it, man. I feel like 1214 01:03:17.440 --> 01:03:19.400 at this point we've kind of said everything we can 1215 01:03:19.440 --> 01:03:22.679 say about Ghostbusters too though now we're just kind of 1216 01:03:22.719 --> 01:03:24.760 talking about the franchise. Is there anything else you want 1217 01:03:24.800 --> 01:03:27.199 to say about that one in particular, because I would 1218 01:03:27.280 --> 01:03:29.199 like to talk about one other thing before we leave. 1219 01:03:29.519 --> 01:03:32.639 Okay, that's fine. I have a couple of notes not related. 1220 01:03:32.360 --> 01:03:34.320 Or not related at all. 1221 01:03:34.639 --> 01:03:36.920 Okay, all right, we'll do nothing. Let me go through 1222 01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:41.920 my might, let my notes anything I haven't mentioned. We 1223

01:03:41.920 --> 01:03:43.679 didn't talk much about the world of the psychic, but 1224 01:03:43.719 --> 01:03:45.320 that was kind of that was a humorous way to 1225 01:03:45.360 --> 01:03:46.159 begin seeing. 1226 01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:46.760 Peter Peter again. 1227 01:03:47.159 --> 01:03:49.039 I like that moment you. 1228 01:03:49.039 --> 01:03:54.159 Got Kevin Dunn making guest appears there, just fun. It's 1229 01:03:54.199 --> 01:03:57.119 a perfect vehicle for someone like it's exactly kind of 1230 01:03:57.159 --> 01:03:59.119 things that actually made sense to me. That's where his 1231 01:03:59.199 --> 01:04:01.400 character wound up. If the ghost pressures like split apart, 1232 01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:02.800 that's something he would do, become like kind of a 1233 01:04:02.880 --> 01:04:05.920 con man that way. I love his like pull on 1234 01:04:05.960 --> 01:04:08.679 the different aliens thing like his starman et and you 1235 01:04:08.719 --> 01:04:10.760 had a little shout out to v there the Big Lizard. 1236 01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:12.800 I think that's what that was. I'm excited about that, 1237 01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:15.679 but so that I did like that. 1238 01:04:15.559 --> 01:04:24.519 Next week hairless, that's weird, weird we mentioned Kurt Fuller. 1239 01:04:24.559 --> 01:04:26.760 I think that Kurt Fuller is one of those eighties, 1240 01:04:26.800 --> 01:04:29.519 late eighties or late nineties villains. He plays the same 1241 01:04:29.559 --> 01:04:32.320 type of character in many movies, including including the infamous 1242 01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:36.599 Hupkogan vehicle No Holds Barred, but he is always great 1243 01:04:36.599 --> 01:04:38.119 in those roles. He is one of those kind of 1244 01:04:38.199 --> 01:04:43.039 quintessential villain like shit weasel kind of role. That's that, 1245 01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:45.639 that's what he does very well. So for someone to 1246 01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:50.679 follow up, I pray to the actress name diculous from 1247 01:04:50.679 --> 01:04:53.079 the first one I forged the actor that that actor 1248 01:04:53.079 --> 01:04:55.119 who I'm sorry I forget his name. He's also that 1249 01:04:55.320 --> 01:04:57.679 he did just a great job. It was the number 1250 01:04:57.679 --> 01:05:01.159 one ship weasel considering Coachbusters and Diehard. But Kurt Fuller 1251 01:05:01.440 --> 01:05:05.159 following those shoes does a great job in a dumb role. 1252 01:05:05.239 --> 01:05:06.639 It's not his fault. The role is dumb. 1253 01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:10.519 Like he's been so funny because like, for me, as 1254 01:05:10.639 --> 01:05:13.000 much as I love him as a ship weasel and things, 1255 01:05:13.639 --> 01:05:17.800 I'm only ever gonna see him from psych because I'm 1256 01:05:17.880 --> 01:05:21.159 such a psych fanatic, and he is in psych like 1257 01:05:21.440 --> 01:05:25.079 throughout the entire run as the corner named Woody. And 1258 01:05:25.280 --> 01:05:28.480 he's so good

and so wonderful and so goofy and 1259 01:05:28.559 --> 01:05:31.079 so ridiculous. I can't not love him. 1260 01:05:31.559 --> 01:05:35.079 I loved him and actually for me besides New Hold 1261 01:05:35.159 --> 01:05:38.360 Bird and Read he was in as well. I loved 1262 01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:41.760 him in Supernatural where he played for a little while. Also, 1263 01:05:43.239 --> 01:05:44.760 he's been a lot, He's been a lot of things. 1264 01:05:44.760 --> 01:05:47.320 He's been so many things over the years, but he's 1265 01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:49.559 very solid, so he I mean, there's a lot of 1266 01:05:49.639 --> 01:05:52.239 cool like little mini cameos of sorts in here. He 1267 01:05:52.239 --> 01:05:56.199 got Cheach married in a quick role at the doc. Yeah, 1268 01:05:56.239 --> 01:06:01.280 I'm sure what ben Stein as one of the uh mayors, 1269 01:06:01.320 --> 01:06:03.320 like I don't know, advisors or whatever. It was kind 1270 01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:05.519 of thing, a lot of cool little gimmick gimmicks like that, 1271 01:06:05.559 --> 01:06:06.400 which was kind of fun. 1272 01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:06.880 Uh. 1273 01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:08.800 I kind of feels like that shows you how successful 1274 01:06:08.800 --> 01:06:10.840 the first film because kind of get anybody that's on 1275 01:06:10.880 --> 01:06:13.400 board for quick cameo because it's Ghostbusters or. 1276 01:06:13.400 --> 01:06:18.480 Ever better late than Never A line. I love that scene. 1277 01:06:18.679 --> 01:06:21.280 That scene where the Titanic shows up is really good, 1278 01:06:21.519 --> 01:06:22.000 Like it's a. 1279 01:06:22.880 --> 01:06:27.639 It's a smart, clever ghost posters moment. Absolutely, let's see. 1280 01:06:27.639 --> 01:06:28.920 You got a couple of great lines and a lot 1281 01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:30.599 of my notes a little quotes like to say I 1282 01:06:30.639 --> 01:06:33.480 want to throw out there. I love the egon way 1283 01:06:33.599 --> 01:06:40.440 of being like innuendo, like they were interested in my epidemics, Like, yeah, 1284 01:06:40.480 --> 01:06:41.760 that's very egon kind of thing. 1285 01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:42.639 I want. 1286 01:06:42.679 --> 01:06:44.400 I want to earn some kindological tests on the mother. 1287 01:06:45.039 --> 01:06:50.840 Wouldn't great chemistry between the two. As always, we didn't 1288 01:06:50.840 --> 01:06:52.880 really talk about the slime much like, but the whole 1289 01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:56.400 slide felt like so like undercooked to me, Like. 1290 01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:59.280 Well, no, we did you and it doesn't connect in 1291 01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:03.920 this yeah like it. Yeah, it has the moments again, 1292 01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:06.400 the stuff in the when it starts to pop off, 1293 01:07:06.440 --> 01:07:11.639 when it's the courtroom scene is great works, right, but 1294 01:07:11.679 --> 01:07:14.000 then after that, I don't really care and I feel 1295 01:07:14.000 --> 01:07:17.360 like I feel like they did it because slimer became 1296 01:07:17.400 --> 01:07:20.000 so popular that using more slime just felt like a 1297 01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:21.679 good way to continue that trend. 1298 01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:23.840 And you couldn't agree until he's pink instead. 1299 01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:28.960 No, and I don't like the whole. The whole then 1300 01:07:29.000 --> 01:07:31.559 they have nice slime thing is so silly. 1301 01:07:31.639 --> 01:07:33.159 That's what I was pose to bring up. I hate 1302 01:07:33.199 --> 01:07:35.119 like the dancing slim of the toastert It was a 1303 01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:37.920 fun sequence because the guys, but the idea behind it, 1304 01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:40.599 I was like, really, that's what we're gonna do. You're 1305 01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:42.360 making the slime evil but you can be nice to 1306 01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:44.199 it and turn it to the good side, like. 1307 01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:47.400 Well, and then it makes that I love you man, 1308 01:07:48.559 --> 01:07:54.960 I love you too. It's like you're okay, okay, yeah, yeah. 1309 01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:58.519 That sounds that great. A couple more quick good lines 1310 01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:04.800 there from venctin Oh no no no, she cleaned yeah that. 1311 01:08:05.079 --> 01:08:07.599 That whole sequence is great. 1312 01:08:07.360 --> 01:08:11.880 And probably my favorite line is just don't you trave 1313 01:08:11.920 --> 01:08:14.559 those all those old cheap moves in me. Oh no, 1314 01:08:14.559 --> 01:08:16.199 no no, I have all nw. 1315 01:08:16.199 --> 01:08:20.079 Cheap moves, all new cheap moves. 1316 01:08:20.359 --> 01:08:22.840 That probably the most evankment line of Ghostbusters too. That 1317 01:08:22.880 --> 01:08:25.359 was probably the most like the bankment of the lines there. 1318 01:08:25.439 --> 01:08:30.039 For example, something else, you know, he hears a hot take, 1319 01:08:30.640 --> 01:08:32.439 here's a hot take, and I might be throwing a 1320 01:08:32.520 --> 01:08:35.119 quarter for this. I think I actually like the Bobby 1321 01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:36.760 Brown song better than the Ray Perker song. 1322 01:08:38.319 --> 01:08:39.279 You know what. That's fair. 1323 01:08:40.039 --> 01:08:41.960 I don't know why, but I love I. 1324 01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:44.479 Back in the day, I sang that song so often, 1325 01:08:45.159 --> 01:08:48.960 the handle too Cold. I love that beat. I was 1326 01:08:49.000 --> 01:08:51.399 loving it ever since. So I heard that go on in. 1327 01:08:51.399 --> 01:08:53.000 Bob Brown has a little cameo in there as well. 1328 01:08:53.039 --> 01:08:55.319 About the protime. I loved it. 1329 01:08:55.399 --> 01:08:57.399 So that's definitely a hot take. I know it might be. 1330 01:08:57.399 --> 01:09:01.359 Forging a hot take, and it made me cold, but 1331 01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:03.000 that's okay, that's fair. 1332 01:09:03.079 --> 01:09:03.520 That's fair. 1333

01:09:05.319 --> 01:09:07.840 And the last lie I really liked was the Mayor 1334 01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:11.079 when he finally like snapped it every He's like I 1335 01:09:11.119 --> 01:09:13.960 sat last night talking to Mayor LaGuardia for four hours 1336 01:09:13.960 --> 01:09:17.119 and he's been dead for forty years. That that's a 1337 01:09:17.319 --> 01:09:19.319 smart use of the ghosts again. 1338 01:09:19.199 --> 01:09:21.520 In Ghostbusters things. 1339 01:09:21.520 --> 01:09:24.239 So uh yeah, that's pretty much all I got, though, 1340 01:09:24.279 --> 01:09:25.560 man much all I got. 1341 01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:28.039 So yeah, And now we have to do the thing 1342 01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:30.159 that I don't necessarily want to do with this one, 1343 01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:32.760 because we have to review it or we have to 1344 01:09:32.840 --> 01:09:36.760 rank it. And it's hard because, like again, I don't 1345 01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:39.199 necessarily even think it's a bad movie. The stuff that 1346 01:09:39.279 --> 01:09:43.119 works I really like. But the problem is I just 1347 01:09:43.199 --> 01:09:47.960 feel like it's so undercooked comparatively, and that makes it 1348 01:09:48.039 --> 01:09:49.439 really difficult. 1349 01:09:49.560 --> 01:09:52.199 And I think the weird thing is I've discovered. I 1350 01:09:52.199 --> 01:09:54.359 think I've always known this, but this film really hit 1351 01:09:54.479 --> 01:09:57.760 it home, is that there is this layer of when 1352 01:09:57.760 --> 01:10:03.199 you're trying to rank a film, there's good, there's bad, 1353 01:10:03.640 --> 01:10:06.720 and then that in between there are some movies that 1354 01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:09.840 are not good they're not, but some of they are not. 1355 01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:12.640 There's like a different level in there, there's something not good. 1356 01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:15.680 But there's some movies you're more forgiving of for whatever reason, 1357 01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:17.800 and this is a movie I am forgiving up because 1358 01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:20.319 I love all the moments. Like I said before, those 1359 01:10:20.359 --> 01:10:25.000 moments make me forgive this movie more than I would 1360 01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:27.399 like if I if I had to score this movie directly, 1361 01:10:27.800 --> 01:10:29.920 i'd probably give it less than what I'm gonna give it. 1362 01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:31.760 I'm going to give it more because I do love 1363 01:10:31.800 --> 01:10:34.760 those moments, so I can find that enjoyment in it 1364 01:10:35.640 --> 01:10:39.119 enough to boost it up a little bit. Whether that's 1365 01:10:39.159 --> 01:10:40.800 right or not. Maybe you don't rank things the same way. 1366 01:10:40.840 --> 01:10:43.039 Maybe I'm talking about and. 1367 01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:45.640 You know I get it because I I do a 1368 01:10:45.640 --> 01:10:49.560 lot of the same thing. So I don't know where 1369 01:10:49.560 --> 01:10:50.479 we're going to land on this. 1370 01:10:50.560 --> 01:10:51.920 Then I don't know either. I don't know. 1371 01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:53.479 This might be the one word a little different on 1372 01:10:53.560 --> 01:10:56.239 but I rank We both ranked the first Rears Qustions 1373 01:10:56.319 --> 01:11:02.119 pers eleven. Absolutely we had that in mind. So this one, like, 1374 01:11:02.720 --> 01:11:04.520 it's actually kind of funny because I feel like I'm 1375 01:11:04.520 --> 01:11:06.600 definitely gonna give it more positive raining than this review 1376 01:11:06.680 --> 01:11:07.920 would that. 1377 01:11:08.399 --> 01:11:11.079 Yeah, one and That's kind of where I'm at because 1378 01:11:11.079 --> 01:11:12.840 I feel like I was so hard on it. But again, 1379 01:11:12.960 --> 01:11:16.039 like it does make me chuckle, there's some stuff I 1380 01:11:16.079 --> 01:11:18.039 really like in it. I still love the cast. 1381 01:11:20.039 --> 01:11:21.680 You gotta write down my rain on your own before 1382 01:11:21.680 --> 01:11:23.960 you say yours. I can see how close. 1383 01:11:24.000 --> 01:11:30.199 It's really hard. I am going to go ahead, and 1384 01:11:30.239 --> 01:11:34.560 I only do this because I feel like I have 1385 01:11:34.640 --> 01:11:36.560 to say true to so much of what I've said. 1386 01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:38.399 Where I do feel like that it is still like 1387 01:11:38.439 --> 01:11:43.319 a cheap copy of the original at times. I'm gonna 1388 01:11:43.319 --> 01:11:44.640 give it a six point five. 1389 01:11:45.479 --> 01:11:48.199 Wow, Okay, we are actually very different. 1390 01:11:49.039 --> 01:11:50.159 I had a feeling. 1391 01:11:50.439 --> 01:11:52.720 Because I actually really liked it a lot. I gave 1392 01:11:52.760 --> 01:11:56.640 it an eight point five. Yeah, you went way higher, 1393 01:11:56.720 --> 01:12:00.439 way higher, way higher than it's because I did. Again, 1394 01:12:00.520 --> 01:12:02.880 I saw everything wrong with it, But I can't argue 1395 01:12:02.920 --> 01:12:04.479 the fact that I was sitting there with Kim last 1396 01:12:04.560 --> 01:12:08.319 night watching it. I lol laughed out loud, got so 1397 01:12:08.359 --> 01:12:11.800 many numerous times that like, I really love those moments. 1398 01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:13.600 I you tell me all this stuff is wrong with it, 1399 01:12:13.600 --> 01:12:17.760 and I'm like, yeah, absolutely. 1400 01:12:15.640 --> 01:12:18.640 And I'm not going to argue with them, like I 1401 01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:24.039 get it, get it, Damn, I'm not mad about it, though. 1402 01:12:23.920 --> 01:12:25.520 I'm very forgiving of it. I mean, know I can't. 1403 01:12:25.720 --> 01:12:28.439 Again I look at your rating and I totally say it, 1404 01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:29.680 I still like it. 1405 01:12:30.159 --> 01:12:32.000 Yeah, I still like it. 1406 01:12:32.479 --> 01:12:35.079 My initial thought before I started actually scoring, and I 1407

01:12:35.119 --> 01:12:37.000 kind of went seven point five and I just boosted 1408 01:12:37.039 --> 01:12:38.600 up as a couple of event lines and a couple 1409 01:12:38.680 --> 01:12:39.680 other lines and maybe leaf. 1410 01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:42.039 Funny, and I almost said seven point five. And then 1411 01:12:42.079 --> 01:12:44.399 I talked myself down because I was, like, my words 1412 01:12:44.399 --> 01:12:46.680 were so I felt like I have to match it 1413 01:12:46.720 --> 01:12:47.960 in some capacity to get it. 1414 01:12:48.239 --> 01:12:48.800 You're not wrong. 1415 01:12:48.840 --> 01:12:50.760 I mean I do feel a little guilty about going 1416 01:12:50.800 --> 01:12:52.359 a little as high as I do, a little bit 1417 01:12:52.640 --> 01:12:54.880 like I probably think the film itself is probably closer 1418 01:12:54.880 --> 01:12:57.560 to a seven, honestly seven, but like I do like 1419 01:12:57.600 --> 01:12:59.119 it enough, so I'm gonna I'm gonna stick by eight 1420 01:12:59.159 --> 01:13:00.920 point five is because I will put this on and 1421 01:13:00.960 --> 01:13:01.800 be happy to watch it. 1422 01:13:01.920 --> 01:13:05.000 That's the thing for me, So I can watch this 1423 01:13:05.039 --> 01:13:07.680 a double feature. I'm okay with it. So all right, 1424 01:13:07.800 --> 01:13:10.399 that's uh, that's does with that. So you have something 1425 01:13:10.439 --> 01:13:11.960 else you wanted to measure themj. 1426 01:13:11.800 --> 01:13:16.279 Or I hope you're all watching Alien Earth because Alien 1427 01:13:16.359 --> 01:13:18.920 Earth turned out to be one of the most joyously 1428 01:13:19.640 --> 01:13:23.359 exciting things that I've seen in a while. I didn't 1429 01:13:23.520 --> 01:13:30.159 know if Alien would work on television, and it's freaking good, dude. 1430 01:13:30.399 --> 01:13:32.720 It is really good, and I love about it is 1431 01:13:32.800 --> 01:13:34.720 I will throw it out there and that's that because 1432 01:13:34.720 --> 01:13:35.680 we're never gonna cover the series. 1433 01:13:35.720 --> 01:13:36.119 We might cover. 1434 01:13:36.159 --> 01:13:38.720 We're gonna cover Alien Predator as a series one day, 1435 01:13:39.159 --> 01:13:41.520 but we're gonna like so we'll talk about that eventually 1436 01:13:41.560 --> 01:13:44.039 we get through it. We don't do TV series on 1437 01:13:44.079 --> 01:13:46.560 here obviously, but we can talk about more than for sure. 1438 01:13:46.640 --> 01:13:48.840 But I will say after watching the first two, this 1439 01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:50.119 is one of my favorite things to. 1440 01:13:50.079 --> 01:13:52.000 Come out of that franchise, honestly. 1441 01:13:51.840 --> 01:13:54.119 Because it's a both It's what it does for me, 1442 01:13:54.720 --> 01:13:58.439 is it. It really combines everything I love about all 1443 01:13:58.479 --> 01:14:01.520 the different aspects of it. Like I've a big, huge 1444 01:14:01.680 --> 01:14:07.600 Prometheus fan me too.

Yeah, and they don't disavow that 1445 01:14:07.720 --> 01:14:09.399 too much. I mean, there's some cannon things that they 1446 01:14:09.479 --> 01:14:11.840 kind of disavowed as fear as timelines go and things 1447 01:14:11.840 --> 01:14:15.920 of that nature, but the themes are very much present, 1448 01:14:16.760 --> 01:14:19.720 really heavy and present there. It actually has a lot 1449 01:14:19.720 --> 01:14:21.840 of Blade Runner in there as well. It got a 1450 01:14:21.880 --> 01:14:23.680 little bit of both really got stuff. There's definitely some 1451 01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:26.319 of that really has gotten there, but it also has 1452 01:14:25.840 --> 01:14:30.880 it uses a judicious amount of usage of the alien itself, 1453 01:14:30.920 --> 01:14:32.800 like when you have the xenomork come in. It looks 1454 01:14:32.960 --> 01:14:35.920 great for TV, but they don't over use it, so 1455 01:14:35.960 --> 01:14:37.920 when it does hit, it hits hard. 1456 01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:40.399 Yeah, And that was what I appreciated, because they did 1457 01:14:40.399 --> 01:14:42.520 the first two episodes up front, and they first two 1458 01:14:42.560 --> 01:14:45.319 episodes kind of feel like a single movie, which I 1459 01:14:45.359 --> 01:14:49.640 thought was really smart. And the first episode is like 1460 01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:53.680 very Zeno light. I mean you might I think you 1461 01:14:53.720 --> 01:14:57.079 only see it in Passing like twice, right, yep, and 1462 01:14:57.119 --> 01:15:00.000 you really don't get any alien action until the second 1463 01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:03.399 half of it, basically, right, which is the second episode. 1464 01:15:03.640 --> 01:15:07.239 And I really I really liked that because it really 1465 01:15:07.640 --> 01:15:11.079 built and really worked, and I'm super excited to see 1466 01:15:11.079 --> 01:15:14.800 where it goes. Noah Hawley has done a great job 1467 01:15:15.000 --> 01:15:19.199 taking properties that I didn't think could necessarily work as 1468 01:15:19.239 --> 01:15:23.960 a like bigger tapestry and made it work. Because he 1469 01:15:24.000 --> 01:15:25.680 also did the same thing with Fargo, and I think 1470 01:15:25.720 --> 01:15:29.199 that his Fargo TV shows, especially those first two seasons, 1471 01:15:29.720 --> 01:15:32.119 are just some of the best television ever. 1472 01:15:33.399 --> 01:15:33.640 Yeah. 1473 01:15:33.680 --> 01:15:35.760 Absolutely, that's I've heard I had not watched Fargo, but 1474 01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:37.800 everybody's talking how many good things about it. 1475 01:15:37.840 --> 01:15:39.199 I should. I know, you need. 1476 01:15:39.079 --> 01:15:43.439 To at least watch the first two seasons. Like people 1477 01:15:43.479 --> 01:15:46.720 have their feelings about the last few, but like those 1478 01:15:46.760 --> 01:15:50.399 first two in particular are just so excellent. 1479 01:15:51.560 --> 01:15:52.359 Yeah, that's what I've heard. 1480 01:15:52.920 --> 01:15:55.560 Yeah, and like they kind of dovetail off each other 1481 01:15:55.680 --> 01:15:59.760 since so the first season is all about Billy, Bob 1482 01:15:59.800 --> 01:16:04.399 Thorn and Martin Freeman and they're the leads. But the 1483 01:16:04.479 --> 01:16:08.520 second season follows Patrick Wilson as one of the characters 1484 01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:11.039 who is in season one, but it's the younger version 1485 01:16:11.079 --> 01:16:13.960 of him, and so Patrick Wilson plays him, and Ted 1486 01:16:14.039 --> 01:16:17.720 Danson's in it and Nick Offerman's in it, and it's 1487 01:16:17.800 --> 01:16:20.239 like season two is bonkers, right. 1488 01:16:20.199 --> 01:16:22.359 Right, right, that's awesome. I do want to one. 1489 01:16:22.359 --> 01:16:24.159 It's one of those things that I will get to eventually, 1490 01:16:25.399 --> 01:16:27.279 but yeah, I will get to it, but I'm right now. 1491 01:16:27.279 --> 01:16:30.119 I'm actually very happy to watching this point. My new 1492 01:16:30.159 --> 01:16:34.000 episode comes out tonight as recording. I am very sure 1493 01:16:34.079 --> 01:16:38.119 the character. I love the Peter Pants stuff. Partially, I 1494 01:16:38.359 --> 01:16:40.279 will admit the Peter Pants stuff for me is because 1495 01:16:40.319 --> 01:16:43.159 I I don't know, I'm not playing about my past life. 1496 01:16:43.199 --> 01:16:45.319 That's one of the biggest like professional productions I ever. 1497 01:16:45.399 --> 01:16:47.479 I was Michael and Peter Pan, like when I was young. 1498 01:16:48.479 --> 01:16:50.560 That's where that's so I'm big at the Peter pant Laura. 1499 01:16:50.600 --> 01:16:51.920 So I got the book and I got everything else. 1500 01:16:52.000 --> 01:16:53.680 So I tell you reference Peter Pan, like, oh cool, 1501 01:16:53.800 --> 01:16:56.760 cool for me. So having that this is an automatically 1502 01:16:56.840 --> 01:16:58.520 bonus running but it treats it so well and it 1503 01:16:58.560 --> 01:17:00.920 makes so much sense with themes they're going with. 1504 01:17:01.279 --> 01:17:03.399 Yeah, it's like, okay, this is this is is cool. 1505 01:17:03.960 --> 01:17:05.560 It was so funny because I was a little worried 1506 01:17:05.560 --> 01:17:07.279 when I started seeing that. I was like, oh, please 1507 01:17:07.319 --> 01:17:09.960 don't tell me. This is like Disney's Synergy shit. Like 1508 01:17:10.279 --> 01:17:12.920 not to be mean, but like you know, but no, 1509 01:17:13.079 --> 01:17:15.199 it totally makes sense in the confines of the show. 1510 01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:16.920 And I was like, oh no, he wrote this in 1511 01:17:17.039 --> 01:17:18.079 like this is its own thing. 1512 01:17:18.359 --> 01:17:22.079 Absolutely. And then of course Timothy Elephant, I. 1513 01:17:22.039 --> 01:17:24.319 Mean, come on, Timothy all fantastic, you mean. 1514 01:17:24.520 --> 01:17:26.680 Yes, I mean this this is one of those guys 1515 01:17:26.680 -->

01:17:28.279 that all go on history as far as I'm concerned, 1516 01:17:28.359 --> 01:17:30.399 as a missed opportunity that he should have been just 1517 01:17:30.399 --> 01:17:32.199 a big leading man and so many different things. 1518 01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:33.760 He's already awesome and everything he is. 1519 01:17:33.800 --> 01:17:36.079 I just feel like he still doesn't get like the 1520 01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:38.680 respects he really and thankfully. 1521 01:17:39.359 --> 01:17:42.359 Uh, if you've ever seen Justified, you just know how 1522 01:17:42.439 --> 01:17:46.359 good dude is. You know he is because he's Yeah, 1523 01:17:46.399 --> 01:17:51.159 he's so wonderful and Justified. It's fantastic. So but yeah, 1524 01:17:51.199 --> 01:17:53.279 if you're not watching Alien Earth, check it out. And 1525 01:17:53.439 --> 01:17:57.920 I say this also with like no wink in the eye, no, 1526 01:17:58.159 --> 01:18:03.239 like no irony. Dexter Resurrection is also the best thing 1527 01:18:03.279 --> 01:18:06.199 I'm watching right now. I cannot believe how far Dexter 1528 01:18:06.279 --> 01:18:08.760 has come. I've been begging you to watch Dexter for 1529 01:18:08.800 --> 01:18:11.319 so long because I want you to watch the We 1530 01:18:11.399 --> 01:18:14.840 have a group chat with our buddy Jeff, and we've 1531 01:18:14.880 --> 01:18:19.279 decided we've started calling it Dexter like New Dexter. And 1532 01:18:19.359 --> 01:18:22.880 these last three seasons of the show between New Blood, 1533 01:18:23.000 --> 01:18:26.680 Original Sin and Resurrection have been so excellent. I think 1534 01:18:26.680 --> 01:18:29.359 it's the best the show has ever been because it's 1535 01:18:29.439 --> 01:18:32.039 kind of finally like uncoupled from its own legacy and 1536 01:18:32.159 --> 01:18:35.479 like it's becoming its own thing again. And I love 1537 01:18:35.520 --> 01:18:39.319 it and it's so good and you're really you should 1538 01:18:39.359 --> 01:18:43.119 do yourself a favor. If you've never watched Dexter, at 1539 01:18:43.199 --> 01:18:46.600 least watch Original Sin and give it a go and 1540 01:18:46.640 --> 01:18:48.439 then decide if you want to get on board with 1541 01:18:48.479 --> 01:18:50.319 some of the rest of it, because like as bad 1542 01:18:50.359 --> 01:18:52.359 as the original series got in the back end of 1543 01:18:52.399 --> 01:18:55.680 its run, like when it was good, it was really good. 1544 01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:59.560 And this is like the show on another level. And 1545 01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:02.000 I'm being so much fun with this new season with 1546 01:19:02.079 --> 01:19:05.039 him in New York and they're doing all this like 1547 01:19:05.720 --> 01:19:08.600 him chasing other serial killers and him being part of 1548 01:19:08.600 --> 01:19:11.880 this serial killer group that he doesn't like. They all 1549 01:19:11.960 --> 01:19:15.039 think he's a different person, and uh, it's so good 1550 01:19:15.079

--> 01:19:17.439 and Michael C. Hall is so excellent in it, and 1551 01:19:18.079 --> 01:19:22.520 like Peter Dinklice, Neil Patrick, Harris, Uma Thurman, Kristin Rittter, like, 1552 01:19:23.239 --> 01:19:26.840 oh my god, dude, David just Malton, Like it's so good. 1553 01:19:27.800 --> 01:19:31.039 I will say, it's funny you say that, because I like, 1554 01:19:31.079 --> 01:19:32.880 you've been pushing it for a while and I wanted to. 1555 01:19:32.920 --> 01:19:33.720 I just it's one of those things. 1556 01:19:33.760 --> 01:19:35.479 I've kind of felt a little overwhelmed that because there's 1557 01:19:35.520 --> 01:19:38.199 like so many different leg Yeah there is this or 1558 01:19:38.319 --> 01:19:40.079 is this series. I'm kind of like there's a lot 1559 01:19:40.119 --> 01:19:41.640 to go through them. I'm stucking like star Treks and 1560 01:19:41.640 --> 01:19:43.119 some stuff I've never got to and everything. There's so 1561 01:19:43.159 --> 01:19:44.880 many things like that. There's a little overwhelming to me. 1562 01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:47.920 I will get there, I'm sure I will at some point. 1563 01:19:47.960 --> 01:19:49.439 And like I'm gonna surprise you one day and just 1564 01:19:49.479 --> 01:19:52.000 haven't watched it all and like I caught up. 1565 01:19:52.039 --> 01:19:53.960 Man, No, I was a big discussion about it. 1566 01:19:55.199 --> 01:19:59.960 I can't wait. I'm rewatching the original series right now. Actually, cool, 1567 01:20:00.039 --> 01:20:01.279 that's my workout show. Now. 1568 01:20:01.640 --> 01:20:05.079 That's awesome, awesome for you. I'm happy for you. We'll 1569 01:20:05.079 --> 01:20:08.880 get there eventually. So that I'm watching that coming out, 1570 01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:10.039 which I'm excited about as well. 1571 01:20:10.199 --> 01:20:11.600 Oh, I know that's. 1572 01:20:11.479 --> 01:20:12.239 Coming this week. 1573 01:20:13.399 --> 01:20:16.840 I'm very curious because I've been hearing some stuff about 1574 01:20:16.840 --> 01:20:23.560 how it's like traversing like the previously on Yeah, yeah, 1575 01:20:23.600 --> 01:20:27.239 and I'm very curious like how it's all going to 1576 01:20:27.279 --> 01:20:30.479 come together. So I'm looking forward to that because that 1577 01:20:30.600 --> 01:20:36.359 it'll very quickly explain the it's not season two while 1578 01:20:36.399 --> 01:20:37.680 also being season two. 1579 01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:40.319 Right, it's season two but not really season two, but 1580 01:20:40.399 --> 01:20:41.239 definitely season two. 1581 01:20:41.359 --> 01:20:46.880 So yeah, yeah, I think all right, y'all know where 1582 01:20:46.920 --> 01:20:50.720 to find us. We're done. We did the thing. Sorry 1583 01:20:51.000 --> 01:20:53.399 to all the Ghostbusters fans. I feel like we were 1584 01:20:53.399 --> 01:20:55.640 harder on Ghostbusters two than we should have been, but 1585 01:20:55.880 --> 01:20:59.720 you have to remember we are also fans. Yeah, we don't. 1586 01:20:59.520 --> 01:21:05.399 Like definitely, and we will be back in two weeks 1587 01:21:05.479 --> 01:21:08.159 on the Public Channel doing Men in Black. 1588 01:21:08.319 --> 01:21:09.319 First one is our first part. 1589 01:21:09.359 --> 01:21:11.319 We're veering off the ghost because we're doing Ghostbusters and 1590 01:21:11.319 --> 01:21:14.199 Men in Black is one big series. If you didn't 1591 01:21:14.199 --> 01:21:17.000 know that before, We're not we're not leaving Ghostbusters. We're 1592 01:21:17.000 --> 01:21:20.640 just kind of temporarily stepping aside for Men Black one, 1593 01:21:20.800 --> 01:21:22.640 two and three. I think we do Men Black one, 1594 01:21:22.680 --> 01:21:24.439 two and three before jumping back to twenty sixteen. 1595 01:21:24.760 --> 01:21:28.159 Yeah. Yeah, yet we fill in all three Men in 1596 01:21:28.159 --> 01:21:30.920 Black movies before we do anything else. 1597 01:21:30.680 --> 01:21:32.159 That twenty sixteen, and we'll be going to go back 1598 01:21:32.159 --> 01:21:33.680 and we will do internationals. We're going to do the 1599 01:21:33.680 --> 01:21:35.640 whole series, the whole good will end in the Frozen 1600 01:21:35.720 --> 01:21:39.399 Empire at that point, but we're excited about doing that 1601 01:21:39.439 --> 01:21:40.920 for sure. If you want to jump on our Patreon, 1602 01:21:40.920 --> 01:21:43.199 like I said, droid Patreon dot com slash build projects. 1603 01:21:43.800 --> 01:21:47.319 Next week, we werenna start back up our MCU rewatch. 1604 01:21:47.399 --> 01:21:50.199 We are recording Avengers Age of Ultron next week for that. 1605 01:21:51.159 --> 01:21:53.640 Eventually we will put that on the main channel, but 1606 01:21:54.159 --> 01:21:56.199 for enough for a little bit anyway, not for a 1607 01:21:56.199 --> 01:21:57.960 little while, so we'll have to see how that goes. 1608 01:21:58.680 --> 01:22:00.000 But for right now, yeah, we've got enough to go 1609 01:22:00.039 --> 01:22:02.960 into the galaxy done and on the Patreon right now, 1610 01:22:03.119 --> 01:22:06.720 we're gonna continue that, and yeah, I guess that will 1611 01:22:06.720 --> 01:22:08.319 do it for me. 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