Pełna transkrypcja odcinka RE-CASTING James Cameron's Titanic in 2026!

Titanic. 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:21.199 So the 97 film still happened as it as it did. 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:25.519 What we are doing is recasting it today in 2026. 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:30.480 So it is not necessarily, you know, we're not taking this seriously. 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:34.480 This is not a remake, we're not pitching this, this is just fun. 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:37.279 Who do we think would play Jack and Rose and so on? 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:40.959 So that's that's how we've survived this week. 00:05:41.360 --> 00:05:41.839 Yeah. 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:56.480 And we should, you know, yeah, caveat is we are we're by no means suggesting that the uh most perfect film ever made from only 1997, which is not that long ago, should be actually remade. 00:05:56.639 --> 00:06:02.399 We're not, I know I've gone on record saying that nobody should ever try to remake it, and I still believe that. 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:12.800 Um, although, second caveat, if someone saw my list and said, you know, this is perfect, we're gonna do this, and you get to be producer, I will say yes. 00:06:13.040 --> 00:06:19.519 So because that will set up me and my children and any future great, great, great grandchildren for life. 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:26.319 So, you know, just if any if any casting directors call and want my help, I might buckle and say yes. 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:29.759 But uh joking aside, um, yeah, this is just for fun. 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:34.959 We're not suggesting that James Cameron's masterpiece should be messed with in any way, in any real way. 00:06:35.759 --> 00:06:37.439 Yes, I agree. 00:06:37.759 --> 00:06:38.240 All right. 00:06:38.399 --> 00:06:40.480 So should we talk through any? 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:42.639 We didn't really have many parameters. 00:06:42.800 --> 00:06:45.600 People are probably gonna wonder like what our parameters were. 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:55.439 Um, I think for me, a big parameter was keeping with the spirit of the character from 1997, um, putting a fun new twist on it. 00:06:55.519 --> 00:06:57.680 But to me, like the ages needed to stay the same. 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:03.439 You know, I didn't, I when I cast, I kept pretty close to what the ages were in '97. 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:05.360 Yeah, we went back and forth, didn't we? 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:07.120 But I think ultimately that's where we both landed. 00:07:07.199 --> 00:07:22.399 We have got at the end, there is gonna be a bit of a um, you know, if you think this is a breakdown, what you're gonna see at the end is where certainly I am looking at it and just thinking, I had a really long week, very clearly a very long week. 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:27.199 So at the end, there will be like the brakes are off if you want to hear. 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:31.199 Oh, there's definitely a couple I have that are like a literally a mental breakdown. 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:34.560 Stick around for that. 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:38.800 That's um a little teaser of some of the um insanity due to come. 00:07:38.879 --> 00:07:44.399 But other than that, yeah, it's kind of, you know, it's a little bit fun, but it, you know, as you say, like kind of similar ages for me. 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:47.920 I was kind of looking at their previous work and whether they fit the profile. 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:55.759 And um, you know, one of the things I was thinking about was of course that Kate and Leo are so massive now that it's hard to remember that actually back then they were not. 00:07:56.000 --> 00:08:01.839 Um I remember, I think I said that to you, like I remember watching a documentary where they were singing, um, Kathy Bates was the biggest star. 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:03.040 That was like a real get for them. 00:08:03.199 --> 00:08:05.680 Whereas she was the biggest star in that film at the time. 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:06.240 Yeah. 00:08:06.480 --> 00:08:06.800 Yeah. 00:08:07.120 --> 00:08:11.600 I will say that's one thing that I tried to try to keep in the spirit of mostly. 00:08:11.839 --> 00:08:17.360 Um, but you know, full disclosure on a couple of the the smaller roles. 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:22.240 They're obviously infinitely important, but you know, Thomas Andrews, William Murdoch. 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:23.360 I'm so excited for that one. 00:08:23.439 --> 00:08:24.639 I've got great ones. 00:08:25.759 --> 00:08:31.839 I mean, full disclosure, um, I did not on those roles stick with like relative unknowns. 00:08:31.920 --> 00:08:34.480 I mean, obviously, those people were like literally unknowns. 00:08:34.639 --> 00:08:37.840 I did not stick with that because I just wanted to have some fun with it. 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:49.360 And I was thinking in a true remake, it would be if it were to really happen, it would be such a cultural moment that they probably would be able to pull in some pretty big people to do it. 00:08:49.519 --> 00:08:54.240 So I kind of went with that sort of mindset on a couple of those, but I just couldn't resist. 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:56.159 Um, but no other parameters. 00:08:56.320 --> 00:08:58.159 We didn't really talk a whole lot about rules. 00:08:58.320 --> 00:08:59.679 There aren't really a lot of rules. 00:08:59.840 --> 00:09:06.159 Um, and so I'm sure this This is hardly, as my dad pointed out last night when I was talking through it. 00:09:06.240 --> 00:09:08.080 This is hardly a serious exercise. 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:14.080 My dad started suggesting like whether I swap the genders, and I was like, no, it needs to stay like within this realistic scenario. 00:09:14.240 --> 00:09:20.480 My dad was just like, right, because this like you guys recasting Titanic is a really This is really realistic. 00:09:20.720 --> 00:09:26.240 No, I mean, I guess you know, the other caveat is like obviously there's a ton of other interesting ways to do this. 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:40.639 You could do gender swap, you could do um, you know, what Bridgerton did and do a period

piece where there are people of all races and nationalities from you know, I mean, it's there's a lot of different ways to do this, especially like an inclusive manner. 00:09:40.720 --> 00:09:42.240 And so we do want to point that out. 00:09:42.320 --> 00:09:53.200 And we're not trying to be not inclusive, but I think we are just trying to stick with like the fun vibe of what these characters were in recast, um, you know, in some parameters. 00:09:53.360 --> 00:10:03.200 Um, a fun thing to do would be if anybody listening has their own list, feel free to share it on Instagram or send it along and we can repost it. 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:07.440 I think this will get people uh thinking about this. 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:13.679 And so I will genuinely be curious to see what other people's lists are after we um post ours. 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:23.759 And I think when we post it on Instagram, we do need to do um, we need to design some squares um so that people can look at it in like list form too after they've listened. 00:10:23.919 --> 00:10:24.639 Um okay. 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:26.159 So should we just jump in? 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:26.639 Yeah. 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:29.600 Okay, so we're gonna do we're gonna do Jack first. 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:30.879 Um all right. 00:10:32.000 --> 00:10:33.759 So can you see my screen? 00:10:34.000 --> 00:10:34.240 Yeah. 00:10:34.879 --> 00:10:35.200 Okay. 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:38.399 So this is my Jack Dawson. 00:10:38.639 --> 00:10:45.279 His name is Percy Hines White, and let me tell you why I'm a literal fucking genius. 00:10:45.679 --> 00:10:53.600 So about a year ago, I guess year and a half ago, on a plane, I watched a film called My Old Ass. 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:59.039 And it's a film completely produced by Aubrey Plaza, who people will know from Parks and Wreck. 00:10:59.279 --> 00:11:03.440 Um, but she's a genius comedian and she's done a lot of uh serious roles as well. 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:04.799 Too, she's a great actress. 00:11:04.960 --> 00:11:17.120 Um, the film is her playing an older version of a teenage self of hers, and through some weird uh magical realism, the older version and the younger version get to hang out together. 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:28.320 And in the process of that, you meet her um sort of childhood love in her late teens, which is um Chad, played by Percy Hines White. 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:33.600 I have never seen such a performance by someone so young. 00:11:33.759 --> 00:11:46.480 I think he was probably like 18 or 19 when he filmed this movie, where he just completely conveys this like love sick, but also like I'm an intelligent, functioning, wonderful person that you should get to know. 00:11:46.639 --> 00:11:57.679 And I have I'm actually like not full of drama, and I'm not going to be your like typical, like teenage love story, but like just pure, innocent, wonderful, like Chad. 00:11:57.759 --> 00:11:59.679 Like John watched the movie too, my husband. 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:10.960 And so for weeks afterwards, we were like, Chad, oh my God, Chad, he's like the perfect manic, pixie dream boy, but also like intelligent, amazing performance. 00:12:11.200 --> 00:12:22.960 And then a few months later, I'm watching the Netflix show Wednesday with my kids, which is obviously the Jin Ortega-led uh reboot of the Addams Family that's really massively popular. 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:29.360 And he is in season one of that show, also doing an incredible job at sort of a multifaceted character. 00:12:29.440 --> 00:12:33.360 And I won't give anything away because I know a lot of people haven't seen it yet that might watch it. 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:40.480 Um, he is brooding, he can also be joyful, he has the face, he's young looking. 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:50.559 There are all the, if you look him up, there's all these photos of him since he's gotten mildly famous that paparazzi have gone that he's like gotten that he's like, he looks like Leo in the 90s. 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:54.799 He's like wearing a white shirt and some black pants and they got the long hair. 00:12:55.120 --> 00:12:58.879 This is, I am so proud of myself. 00:12:59.039 --> 00:13:00.320 This is Jack Dawson. 00:13:00.399 --> 00:13:05.440 He's got the lanky, he's got the lanky look, the brooding look, the jawline. 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:07.519 He's an amazing actor. 00:13:07.919 --> 00:13:12.399 Anyway, I present to you my Jack Dawson, Percy Hines White. 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:13.759 Okay. 00:13:14.240 --> 00:13:16.000 Okay, no, I can I can see it. 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:16.639 I can see it. 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:20.320 And actually, it's really funny because mine is very different to this. 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:21.840 Like mine's quite a different type of thing. 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:23.039 But that's the beauty of this. 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:23.360 Yeah. 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:25.039 So I'm quite excited. 00:13:25.200 --> 00:13:27.759 So mine is incredibly predictable. 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:32.720 So if there are any Brits listening to this, you are gonna know exactly what I'm gonna say. 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:46.080 Because I think this person fits very kind of um he fits the sort of um, he fits just the look. 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:50.320 I think when you see him, you're gonna believe that this is Jack Dawson. 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:59.519 So this is Kit Connor, who I'm sorry, if that image in particular does not give you Jack Dawson, I don't know what will. 00:13:59.840 --> 00:14:01.840 It's giving me 90s Leo for sure. 00:14:02.399 --> 00:14:03.519 This is this is what I'm saying. 00:14:03.679 --> 00:14:12.799 So now the I'm and the thing about Kit Connor is that he is like the thing at the moment in the UK because he's been in the show called Hot Stopper, which is kind of like exploded and it's absolutely huge. 00:14:12.879 --> 00:14:16.480 They've done three series, there's just been a film out like literally two weeks ago.

00:14:16.720 --> 00:14:51.440 Um, but I think what's interesting about Kit Connor is that he does have that same kind of vulnerability that you see in Jack, and that he has this ability to be both very confident and quite kind of attractive and sort of um free-spirited whilst also being very vulnerable and very able to switch into a sort of um kind of open and uh as I say, sort of vulnerable, um very young, very kind of um experienced, but a young type of experience. 00:14:51.519 --> 00:14:58.799 Like the kind of the kind of experiences you can only have when you're kind of 19, 20, 21, and you've not got your kind of full life experience. 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:03.039 I think he manages to kind of bring that all together quite well, which is a very kind of Jack Dawson vibe. 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:18.000 Um so yes, so there's this, and he um he is of course a very uh he's very in right now in the same place that I think uh Leo was with Romeo and Juliet, right? 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:31.360 He has just done a couple of you know, big roles, not like A-list Hollywood roles, um, but big roles that have got him a lot of attention, a lot of eyeballs on him. 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:40.639 Um he's obviously kind of got both the boys and girls swooning and you know, which is Yeah, I can see uh how old is he how old is he right now? 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:43.120 Because I need to know if it's 22 right now. 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:43.919 So he's he really. 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:52.639 Okay, that's a little it's a little young for me to I I I feel like 25 is my cutoff for being allowed to say that someone's attractive now because I'm so old. 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:53.519 I know. 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:56.240 It's well, I mean, this it's getting a little bit of out of hand. 00:15:56.320 --> 00:16:01.039 Like, I mean, it's you know, it's it's I I'm in the same place as you, but it's it's difficult. 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:02.799 Um Yeah, he's a duty. 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:05.919 I think he's like he's very open faced, he's very unguarded. 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:12.559 Um he's he can be very kind of um I don't know what the word is, I want to say like de-armored. 00:16:12.639 --> 00:16:13.360 Do you know what I mean? 00:16:13.519 --> 00:16:18.080 Like sort of um able to to to get that across on camera. 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:39.759 So this is that's you know well, I think that's I think both of our, I mean, they're actually quite similar in the sense that I think what we're we're trying to say, and they both have eyes, like both people we pick, they look very different in many ways, but they both have these eyes you can kind of see straight through, and they're able to do a lot of like eye acting, as cheesy as that sounds. 00:16:39.919 --> 00:16:48.159 Like that when you look in someone's eyes and that endearing, open, like you could absolutely get to know me by having one conversation with me. 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:50.879 I feel like both of these have that vibe in their eyes. 00:16:51.120 --> 00:16:59.519 I think as well, there's another thing, which is that when Leo was cast, there was this idea that he had only played very kind of troubled characters in James Cameron. 00:16:59.679 --> 00:17:02.240 Yeah, like basketball diaries, yeah, Gilbert Grape. 00:17:02.399 --> 00:17:02.720 Yeah, yeah. 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:11.200 So I think James Cameron was like, you know, this is gonna be a challenge for you because this person is very free-spirited, that he doesn't really have any major um sort of impediments. 00:17:11.599 --> 00:17:14.240 Well, that's why that's exactly why I picked mine. 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:19.920 Because when I saw that performance in My Old Ass, which is the stupidest name for a movie, but not really. 00:17:20.160 --> 00:17:20.880 The movie's amazing. 00:17:21.039 --> 00:17:25.359 Anyone who hasn't seen it, I'm shocked it was not nominated for an Oscar a couple of years ago. 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:26.160 So good. 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:33.359 Um, but that's exactly what that character of Chad was was just like he really didn't have any noticeable flaws. 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:43.440 No, yeah, nothing like weird or creepy, or it just he just had to play a guy who was like pretty genuine and endearing and cute and sweet. 00:17:43.519 --> 00:17:50.240 And like it's but James Cameron, when he told Leo that it's true, it's like the hardest thing to play, I think, is just like a regular person. 00:17:50.640 --> 00:18:06.799 And I think I think both of these people, because I know Kit has this similar thing in that, you know, in in Heartstopper in particular, which is certainly one of his uh probably his most famous role, it's a very, you know, like kids, very young people like struggling with their sexuality and like struggling to understand how to be a good partner and all this sort of stuff. 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:14.240 And so he has that same kind of it's quite a um uh a baggaged role, like there's a lot that comes with it. 00:18:14.400 --> 00:18:16.480 Um, and so it's a similar kind of place. 00:18:16.640 --> 00:18:17.680 So there we go. 00:18:17.759 --> 00:18:18.799 There are there are teachers. 00:18:18.960 --> 00:18:20.400 I think that we've they're pretty good. 00:18:20.799 --> 00:18:21.680 I think we nailed it. 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:24.640 Yeah, I think both of them would be. 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:34.880 I mean, I I actually feel like if someone was remaking Titanic right now and they had all the headshots of their potential jacks on the table, I think both of these people would probably be in it. 00:18:35.119 --> 00:18:35.519 You know what I mean? 00:18:35.680 --> 00:18:37.359 Like I yeah, yeah. 00:18:37.599 --> 00:18:38.720 Um, okay. 00:18:39.039 --> 00:18:49.119 So, and again, let me repeat anybody listening, if you want to start a list going while you're listening and then share your lists after this, like who is your Jack? 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:50.880 I really

genuinely want to hear from people. 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:51.359 Okay. 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:57.359 So now I will be going to My Rose, and you're about to have a conniption. 00:18:57.599 --> 00:18:58.400 Here we go. 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:00.160 Yes, I did it. 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:07.519 This is Kate Winslit's daughter, Mia Treepleton. 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:08.559 I did it. 00:19:08.720 --> 00:19:13.599 I went with it and I rolled with it, and actually, I think it's genius. 00:19:13.839 --> 00:19:16.160 She is the right age. 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:21.759 She obviously has the same look, but she is a wonderful actress in her own right. 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:25.359 She's already held her own in a Wes Anderson film. 00:19:25.519 --> 00:19:31.519 She's done some really dramatic acting actually with her mother in a uh show. 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:33.359 Oh my gosh, is it called Ruth? 00:19:33.440 --> 00:19:41.359 I think it's called Ruth in the UK, um, that a lot of people think she should have won a supporting actress um acting award for. 00:19:41.519 --> 00:19:45.519 I think, you know, I've seen some interviews with her, I've seen her on the red carpet. 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:48.160 Listen, obviously, this is a Nepo baby. 00:19:48.240 --> 00:19:51.200 Like, that's let's get this conversation out of the way. 00:19:51.359 --> 00:20:03.440 Like, even though she goes by, even though she goes by her last name of Threepleton, because she's the son of Kate's first husband, who was a um a director on her film Hideous Kinky in the 90s, and that's how they met. 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:07.359 Um, she's obviously going by her father's last name. 00:20:07.599 --> 00:20:17.039 Kate has in some interviews given this very like head in the clouds answer of like, well, yeah, she's my daughter, but you know, she doesn't have my last name. 00:20:17.119 --> 00:20:19.200 And I think a lot of people don't know she's my daughter. 00:20:19.279 --> 00:20:21.200 She's making it on her own bullshit. 00:20:21.279 --> 00:20:25.039 Like, come on, she looks just like her, and everyone knows that that's Kate Winslow's daughter. 00:20:25.119 --> 00:20:27.119 Anybody in a casting room knows who she is. 00:20:27.279 --> 00:20:30.720 So I think Kate, get, you know, you've been famous a long time. 00:20:30.799 --> 00:20:32.079 Let's get your head back in the game. 00:20:32.160 --> 00:20:32.799 You know what I mean? 00:20:32.880 --> 00:20:37.759 As much as I love Kate to uh forever, I love her, but let's call her out on that. 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:47.440 Um, so I think there is a little netpo baby conversation here, and I get that, but I think it's I think it would be people would go nuts over it. 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:49.039 I think it would be exciting. 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:59.920 Um definitely like from a marketing perspective, it would just be the little kind of because we'll come to something in our breakdown later, we'll come to something that both you and I had also thought of that is a bit in it. 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:02.799 So well, yes, and you could do that, we'll talk about it. 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:03.119 Yeah, yeah. 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:07.279 Um, but I just think I think she has the acting chops. 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:13.759 I think she's in the exact same position that her mom was in in 1997, where she's been in a couple of really good things. 00:21:13.839 --> 00:21:17.759 She's gotten people's attention, but she's not like super well known yet or anything like that. 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:19.440 Um, she's also in a show. 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:23.359 Um, oh my gosh, now I'm gonna forget the name of it. 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:26.880 The it was not it's an Apple TV show. 00:21:26.960 --> 00:21:29.519 Uh, it's a period drama about a group of girls. 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:32.000 I'll have to add it in and we can put it in show notes. 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:33.279 Um, came out a couple of years ago. 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:41.920 Anyway, she's been in some stuff where she has scenes, and you are, you are, even though you can see the Kate in there, but you can see past it too. 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:43.359 Like she's a very good actress. 00:21:43.519 --> 00:21:46.079 So um, yeah, so I just I rolled with it. 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:50.960 The idea popped into my head, and I do have we'll talk in honorable mentions at the end. 00:21:51.119 --> 00:21:56.880 I do have another um actress for Kate that was a very, very, very close second. 00:21:56.960 --> 00:21:59.759 And I definitely want to give her an honorable mention, but. 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:01.200 This is my choice. 00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:05.440 We should also say this is the first time we are seeing each other's choices. 00:22:05.519 --> 00:22:07.839 So we just have mentioned that at the beginning. 00:22:08.000 --> 00:22:09.359 This is a complete surprise. 00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:15.200 With the exception of the one that we conceded because we took out the person, but we'll get to that later. 00:22:16.559 --> 00:22:23.200 Okay, so uh generally I've gone quite britt heavy, with the exception of a uh a couple here, and this is one of them. 00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:26.559 So my rose is Sadie Cink. 00:22:27.119 --> 00:22:31.279 She was in my, I had her in my top five that I was contemplating. 00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:31.599 Yes. 00:22:31.839 --> 00:22:32.079 Yeah. 00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:36.000 I mean, Ply because she just so looks the part. 00:22:36.079 --> 00:22:40.240 So if if you're listening to this, just Google her. 00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:41.680 It is quite remarkable. 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:44.079 She really, to me, gives very rose vibes. 00:22:44.319 --> 00:22:47.039 I think she's very controlled. 00:22:47.279 --> 00:23:02.880 She's very, she's quite, she's got a really good way of portraying anger in quite a kind of restrained, measured way, which gives I I was thinking in particular of that scene where Rose is at the dinner table just before she

goes to jump off the back of the ship. 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:10.880 And, you know, and I was thinking about the way that she has this kind of fury and this frustration inside of her, but she's kind of having to hold it in. 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:15.920 Um, I'm sure there are plenty of women who can appreciate uh uh associate with that. 00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:26.400 But um I but I I think that um I think Sadie Sink has this has this way of of of portraying that very effectively. 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:30.799 Um she's young, I think she's sort of she's in her kind of I think she's 24. 00:23:30.960 --> 00:23:33.039 Um so she's but she looks younger, yeah. 00:23:33.119 --> 00:23:38.480 She's she's 24, but she she easily could pass for 19 and she looks young. 00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:38.799 Yeah. 00:23:39.119 --> 00:23:42.079 Um she's got the same kind of you know fiery red hair. 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:48.240 She's very um, I think she's she's the only thing she's at she's quite a bit slimmer, I think. 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:50.799 Um to Yeah, she's quite slim. 00:23:50.960 --> 00:23:55.680 But yeah, but again, I mean it's like but I don't get the sense that that's because of anything unhealthy. 00:23:55.759 --> 00:23:59.119 I think she's just a very like, she's a very like slight person. 00:23:59.200 --> 00:23:59.440 Yeah. 00:23:59.680 --> 00:24:06.960 Yeah, well, and it was it's always blew my mind how people used to back, you know, in the 90s, people like, oh, what do they call like weighty Kate and stuff like that, which was nuts. 00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:16.720 Um yeah, try being a 13-year-old girl in 1997 and having that affect you, and then like I mean, that the cult the the culture around all of that in the 90s was so toxic. 00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:17.839 Oh, it was terrible. 00:24:18.000 --> 00:24:26.319 Yeah, but so I mean, so like it's it's just it's a slight shift here, but I think um, you know, she's she's done stage, she's done film, she's done TV. 00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:34.079 Um, so I think, yeah, she has that kind of um also she for Taylor Swift fans, let's get in a Taylor reference. 00:24:34.160 --> 00:24:46.880 She also has the starring role in the all-too well 10-minute version uh music video that Taylor Swift uh directed, and this was like a really big deal when she released the 10-minute version of that song. 00:24:47.119 --> 00:24:51.680 And the build-up to that music video was huge, and it's Sadie Sink that plays her in that. 00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:56.559 She plays a younger version of her in that music video, and it's a really good music video. 00:24:56.720 --> 00:24:58.000 Anyway, had to get a Taylor. 00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:06.559 I think the other thing as well is that um Kate at the time, if you remember, she was known for being uh a period actor. 00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:07.519 Corset Kate. 00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:08.880 Corset, corset, Kate. 00:25:09.039 --> 00:25:10.480 Whereas this is kind of the opposite, actually. 00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:13.200 CD Sink has never done period from what I could see. 00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:20.240 So it would kind of it's kind of an interesting contrast, and you've got someone who'd be doing that for the first time, like a proper sort of you know, 1900s type piece. 00:25:20.319 --> 00:25:23.440 So um it would also be like a great thing for her to prove herself in. 00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:24.000 So yeah. 00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:29.200 No, I mean she looks the part, you know, like she a hundred percent does. 00:25:29.359 --> 00:25:36.720 And she was in my when I when I started narrowing down and I was just making my first list, she was in my top five. 00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:42.720 Um yeah, maybe even top, maybe she might have been my third choice when I she but she was close for me. 00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:45.759 So we were there's an alternate reality where we had the same rose. 00:25:46.000 --> 00:25:48.400 Um okay, okay, good. 00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:49.440 All right. 00:25:49.839 --> 00:25:53.279 Next, we are going to who who did I have next? 00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:55.440 I have Cal Hockley. 00:25:55.680 --> 00:25:56.000 Okay. 00:25:56.319 --> 00:25:56.960 All right. 00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:02.240 So um I have to go on my, we all knew it was coming. 00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:04.240 We all knew it was coming, Pablo. 00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:09.119 I'm going on my this is my this is my heated rivalry moment. 00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:13.039 Oh my god, guys, she has been nagging me to watch this for so long. 00:26:13.519 --> 00:26:19.759 Anyone listening who has watched Heated Rivalry and been affected by it, listen, you know. 00:26:20.000 --> 00:26:24.160 I got I got a quote tattooed on my body the other day. 00:26:24.559 --> 00:26:26.079 Listen, the fandom, they know. 00:26:26.240 --> 00:26:31.920 Anyone that's listening that is part of the is a loon and they'll get that reference, you know. 00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:35.680 So I have anybody wants to introduce me to it. 00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:37.279 Exactly. 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:40.079 Maybe with a nice bottle of wine. 00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:40.559 No. 00:26:40.720 --> 00:26:47.599 Okay, so I have been obsessed with heated rivalry for the past few months, as many people in the world are. 00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:52.880 Um, for anybody who doesn't know what it is, I'll give you a tiny, tiny little breakdown here. 00:26:53.359 --> 00:27:09.599 There are a series of romance novels that are written in the hockey world in Canada, where the author Rachel Reed has basically like created a um a safe literary space where she wants to reimagine um a hockey, obviously very toxic masculine space generally. 00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:16.160 Um, but she has written these series of love stories where hockey players in Canada um have like their coming out processes. 00:27:16.240 --> 00:27:22.640 Like for some of them, it's a coming out processes, for some of it's just like a romance, um, but they're male-male

romance novels. 00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:26.880 And they were quite successful on their own right as books. 00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:34.960 Um, but then Jacob Tierney, who is a Canadian actor and director, people will know him from Letter Kenny, a lot of different stuff. 00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:38.079 He just saw these and had a vision. 00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:41.839 And I will say it's one of those situations where, I mean, the books are perfectly fine. 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:47.039 Um, for people that love romance novels, more power to you, enjoy them. 00:27:47.359 --> 00:27:57.039 But he took the story from one of the books and these two characters, Ilya, who is Russian and Shane, who is Canadian, and he had a vision for what he wanted to show. 00:27:57.200 --> 00:27:59.599 It's a love story, it's about inclusion. 00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:02.079 One of the main characters is autistic. 00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:08.000 Um, it's about, it's about family drama, grief, love, hate. 00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:11.279 It is, it encompasses so many beautiful emotions. 00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:12.319 I'm obsessed. 00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:18.400 But this is Connor's story who plays Ilya Rosinov, who is the Russian main character in the show. 00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:22.720 And Connor's story will win an Oscar one day. 00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:24.559 Mark my fucking words. 00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:31.519 He is from West Texas and grew up just in a regular family in West Texas, wanting to be an actor. 00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:33.200 He learned Russian for this part. 00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:38.799 His Russian accent, I when I the first time that I watched the show, I thought it was a Russian actor. 00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:41.359 He is not Russian, he's from West Texas. 00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:44.960 He is he is capable of transforming into. 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:50.880 I mean, I've seen him in several things now, and he's just capable of transforming into anything that he wants to. 00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:58.720 He has a little bit of a villain vibe, I think, that is in there that could come out in this beautiful way for Cal. 00:28:58.960 --> 00:29:05.039 I think he would be able to convey the charm that someone would fall for. 00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:05.920 I mean, look at him. 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.960 He's beautiful, he's sculpted. 00:29:09.279 --> 00:29:19.839 He could wear the period costuming and convey this sense of like, yeah, I'm a, you know, I'm a still tycoon, I'm gorgeous, I've got all the money in the world. 00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:21.519 Why would a woman not want to be with me? 00:29:21.599 --> 00:29:23.440 I can treat a woman however I want. 00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:28.000 And he would be able to charm the fucking pants off of Rose and her mother. 00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:33.279 And then there is like this evil core that starts to like come out and the mustache twirling. 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:34.960 I think he's capable of both. 00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:38.319 And I think he would bring a lot of acting chops to the role of Cal. 00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:39.680 No shade on Billy Zane. 00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:40.720 Love Billy Zane. 00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:44.400 But I wanted to, I'm obsessed with the two actors from Heated Rivalry. 00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:55.279 I wanted to get one of them in here selfishly, but also I think truly, truly, truly, he could pull off something like that in a very interesting and actorly way. 00:29:55.519 --> 00:29:58.559 Um, and I'm obsessed with him, and he will win an Oscar one day. 00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:01.359 Okay, In Scene, thank you for coming to my TED Talk. 00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:04.079 Uh, Connor Story, if you ever hear this, call me. 00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:05.680 I will be your best friend. 00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:06.240 I love you. 00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:07.519 Okay, and I'm done. 00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:08.400 There we go. 00:30:09.599 --> 00:30:12.640 Okay, that was that was a that was a journey. 00:30:12.799 --> 00:30:14.400 Yeah, no, I can actually state what he's. 00:30:14.559 --> 00:30:19.920 I think he's I I again, I think it's like it's a different, it's a different um direction, isn't it? 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:21.039 But I I can see it. 00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:32.640 And he has got that kind of it's interesting actually, because he's got a similar thing to what I've put forward actually, which is this sort of kind of attractive, kind of darkly attractive kind of um vibe that he's got going on. 00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:34.880 So yeah, darkly attractive. 00:30:35.119 --> 00:30:39.920 There's like a like hot as hell, but there's a darkness there, you can see. 00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:47.039 And I think like casting someone like him, and maybe yours is the same way, would take Cal in a little bit of a darker direction. 00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:47.359 Yes. 00:30:47.519 --> 00:30:49.680 But I think there's a lot of darkness in Cal. 00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:50.799 I think there is. 00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:57.519 And if you you know, once you've rewatched the film as many times as say you and I have, you pick up even in Billy Zane's performance. 00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:58.960 There's a lot more darkness than I think people. 00:30:59.279 --> 00:30:59.599 Yeah, yeah. 00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:00.240 Oh no, definitely. 00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:01.119 Yeah. 00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:08.000 Okay, so my cow is, and this is where I go a bit uh get into the Brit as Richard. 00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:08.720 Oh, yeah, I know. 00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:10.319 Yeah. 00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:16.559 So Richard Madden, people will probably know him for things uh like the bodyguard. 00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:20.799 That was a big, big, big um success in the UK, but I know around the world as well. 00:31:20.960 --> 00:31:25.440 He's been in Game of Thrones, um, Rocket Man, Eternals, lots of other things. 00:31:25.599 --> 00:31:28.319 But he's very, I think he's very physically credible. 00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:31.759 Um, he's

very good at being charming and then switching. 00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:48.079 You saw a lot of that in the bodyguard, that he would go from incredibly charismatic and very kind of alluring and then suddenly incredibly defensive, incredibly um uh sort of uh uh compact and and uh able to kind of bring all of these kind of facets together. 00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:58.880 So I think uh he um he's very good at kind of um controlling uh whilst letting a few cracks in, if that makes sense. 00:31:59.039 --> 00:32:05.200 So it's it's kind of outwardly perfect, but you know there's something under the undersurface, which is sort of what we were just saying, colors a bit like that. 00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:10.640 Um so yeah, I think you know, I just I can so imagine him, particularly from the bodyguard. 00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:13.440 I can so imagine him doing those like chases down the corridors. 00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:25.599 Yeah, the the shot that you put of him on the right, I can just see, I can like take that screen or that shot and in my mind transfer it to him running down the corridor with a gun and stuff like that. 00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:26.880 This is what I mean. 00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:28.720 Yeah, yeah, no, a hundred percent. 00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:31.279 He feels expensive. 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:31.920 Do you know what I mean? 00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:40.000 Like in the way that Cal is, like he feels like he already fits that kind of world without trying, without having to try, if that makes sense. 00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:42.319 No, this is no, I think that's a good attribute. 00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:45.759 Like that's how that in picking Connor's story for me, that too. 00:32:45.839 --> 00:32:57.200 Like he he, I think both of them look like people that just belong in that elevated, expensive world can wear like the most expensive suit in the world just very naturally. 00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:09.039 And I and both and you know, just pick up their cigarette and just you know, they rule the fucking world and nobody like do not don't dare say anything against me, or you will see the evil side of me, you know. 00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:17.279 Like that like two-faced Jekyll and Hyde, like can be the most charming person in the world, and just one little flip of a switch and it's all changed. 00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:19.119 They both like have that. 00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:21.599 It's like I think it's all about the eyes. 00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:26.880 I think if I was a casting director, I would just always be looking at people's eyes, you know what I mean? 00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:30.079 I think everything is in is conveyed in the eyes. 00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:32.720 Um yeah, this is a good pick. 00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:34.559 Um, how old is he? 00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:38.480 Uh he's a little bit older, so I think he's about 40. 00:33:38.559 --> 00:33:42.240 I think Billy Zane was I don't think that's much. 00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:43.279 He was like mid 30s. 00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:44.799 Yeah, I was gonna say I think he's mid 30s. 00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:48.720 So yeah, but but he but Richard Madden can play younger and he's obviously incredibly attractive. 00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:51.200 Yeah, he doesn't look that and I went younger. 00:33:51.359 --> 00:33:55.119 I mean, Connor's story is only like he's like 26, maybe going on 27. 00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:59.440 So I went a little bit younger, but in doing that, that was also purposeful. 00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:03.200 I'm like, I don't, I think I almost feel like it makes it more realistic in some ways. 00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:05.279 Like, who wouldn't fall for that guy? 00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:11.599 Like, who wouldn't if your mom in 1912 came to you like this man's this wealthy and he wants to marry you? 00:34:11.679 --> 00:34:12.320 I mean, look at him. 00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:12.880 Who wouldn't? 00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:13.440 You know what I mean? 00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:17.199 I sort of went with the like, yeah, I could see this, you know. 00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:23.760 So I went kind of younger with it, but I think anyone between the ages of 25 and 40 could work for Cal. 00:34:23.840 --> 00:34:25.519 It just depends on like the vibe. 00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:26.239 Yeah. 00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:28.159 Okay, who have you got next? 00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:29.119 All right. 00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:33.280 Next I have Captain EJ Smith. 00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:33.920 Okay. 00:34:34.559 --> 00:34:40.960 So I have gone with a little bit of not necessarily stunt casting, but just interesting. 00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:45.519 Um, so Nick Offerman, people will know from mostly from Parks and Rec. 00:34:45.760 --> 00:35:01.519 So he became like a cultural phenomenon in the era of the show Parks and Rec, where he plays Ron Swanson, who is this burly, serious, um, you know, sort of like has a problem with everything. 00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:04.079 Uh, no one is as perfect as he is. 00:35:04.239 --> 00:35:07.280 Uh, he doesn't trust technology, he doesn't trust politics. 00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:12.239 He he lives in a when he's not working, he lives in a cabin in the woods and chops his own firewood. 00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:18.159 Like um, he is a very, I Ron Swanson's a very iconic character, especially for people who love the show. 00:35:18.320 --> 00:35:20.000 And so that's how he became famous. 00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:27.039 But then ever since he got that amount of fame on that show, he's used it to be in some really interesting roles. 00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:36.559 Like he he pops up now as a character actor in, you know, something like um, oh gosh, I didn't watch it, but the um is it the last of us? 00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:37.199 No. 00:35:37.440 --> 00:35:39.599 What's the one with Pedro Pascal? 00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:42.239 Um, that's the apocalyptic show. 00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:43.519 Let me look it up. 00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:53.920 Um because this his turn in that was um

uh let's see, you can edit this out if you need to. 00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:57.519 The light is the last of us. 00:35:57.679 --> 00:35:58.400 Okay, I had it right. 00:35:58.559 --> 00:36:02.559 Um so he'll pop up as a character actor now in like very serious roles. 00:36:02.719 --> 00:36:04.639 He also still does comedy sometimes. 00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:10.639 He's an author, he's written like a bunch of best-selling books, and he's really intelligent, really witty. 00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:12.400 Like, I love watching interviews with him. 00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:15.199 He's just like he's the real deal. 00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:18.239 I think he's aged into this role perfectly. 00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:21.519 He's got the acting chops, his beard is perfect. 00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.880 They could obviously dye the rest of his hair white if they needed to. 00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:32.239 I think he's got the right like stature and build and sort of like, you know, kind of aged look in the eyes. 00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:39.119 And I think it would just be really interesting and fun to see someone like him do uh Captain Smith. 00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:44.480 So again, this one's a little stunty, but not really, because he's his acting is incredible. 00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:50.000 He's done all sorts of types of roles, and I think he just he just looks it to me. 00:36:50.079 --> 00:36:59.039 Like I I love, like even he's got like the little like you know, birthmark right above the um the beard line that gives him so much character. 00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:03.199 So that's my that's my entry for Captain Smith. 00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:13.199 I like I like that for, and I think you're gonna like mine because I have obviously you may or may not that Rich Madden is Scottish. 00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:16.880 Um my next is also Scottish. 00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:18.400 I love a Scott. 00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:21.679 I don't think I know him though. 00:37:21.920 --> 00:37:22.320 Do you know? 00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:34.320 So Peter Peter Mullen's quite a so he's he's quite um he's quite a like a sort of stillness and kind of heavy actor. 00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:38.079 So his stuff is his stuff has been he's been in a film called My Name is Joe. 00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:43.679 He was in Warhorse, um uh Tyrannosaur. 00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:46.719 He's been in a few quite heavy roles. 00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:52.480 He's very good at that sort of still shock kind of method acting. 00:37:52.880 --> 00:37:54.159 I can see that in his face. 00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:54.639 Yeah. 00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:55.599 Yeah. 00:37:55.840 --> 00:38:01.360 So he's very um, I think he really, really fits that, that, that uh role. 00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:10.159 But he's also, I think he's genuinely one maybe left of his era where you know there's no there's no gloss. 00:38:10.320 --> 00:38:14.159 Like there's there's there's a story and there's weather on his face. 00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:14.800 Do you know what

I mean? 00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.519 Like he's not tried to hide who he is. 00:38:17.920 --> 00:38:27.119 Um I think he has this sort of almost inherent uh sort of genuineness to him. 00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:32.320 It feels like he's really been through it, you know? 00:38:32.559 --> 00:38:34.000 Um weathered. 00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:36.079 Captain Smith is weathered, yeah. 00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:36.800 Yeah, yeah. 00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:38.480 So I think I think there's a lot there. 00:38:38.559 --> 00:38:43.920 So I and you know, he looks the part, and um I think yeah, I think he'd be a great fit. 00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:45.280 So that's my Captain Smith. 00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:49.599 The um the the shot you've shared, he looks like he's sort of shocked. 00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:50.639 Like, what is going on? 00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:52.800 So it's like the perfect, yeah. 00:38:52.960 --> 00:39:05.920 Um yeah, I think Captain Smith is obviously like if you look at actual screen time, um, quite a small role in the grand scheme of things in the film, um, but really, really an important pillar of the film. 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:09.039 And so who you cast, it's it's an important decision. 00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:10.880 So, okay, I like it. 00:39:11.039 --> 00:39:14.960 All right, next I have who did I do next? 00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:16.960 Ruth, do whip you cater. 00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:17.599 All right. 00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:25.840 I have gone with Carrie Coon, who honestly like she popped into my head and I already knew it was the right decision. 00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:30.800 And then when I started looking at pictures, I was like, she really has a very Francis Fisher type of vibe. 00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:35.199 Um, so Carrie Kuhn is in her late 40s, so right age. 00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:43.360 Um, she is a wonderful actress who has been in a ton of stuff, but she as of late has become quite known for two things. 00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:56.559 One of them is the Gilded Age, um, which is the Julian Fellows, you know, his latest um mini-series that he's been doing the last couple of years, um, which is about obviously like late, you know, eight late 19th century in New York City. 00:39:56.639 --> 00:40:01.840 Um, and she plays the wife of a of a of a man who's essentially supposed to be a Vanderbilt. 00:40:01.920 --> 00:40:03.519 So she's basically playing a Vanderbilt. 00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:05.840 Um, but she's she kills it in that show. 00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:06.800 She's incredible. 00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:09.840 She's quite capable of playing like very austere. 00:40:10.239 --> 00:40:13.280 Anyone who's watched The Gilded Age knows she's the right choice. 00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:19.679 Like she she basically like plays a version of Ruth in The Gilded Age, just maybe a little bit younger on that show. 00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:25.519 Um, she was also in the latest season of The White Lotus on um, is it on HBO Max? 00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:29.280 Um White Lotus, also fantastic series by Mike White. 00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:32.559 Um, but she was on the latest series of that. 00:40:32.800 --> 00:40:35.840 And um, she just is she's incredible. 00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:42.559 And I think she just gives off this very like, you know, hair over the shoulder. 00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:53.280 Like I'm kind of unbothered by a lot of things, but there's also a like deep well of grief, grief and trauma probably simmering, you know, down there that needs to come out. 00:40:53.360 --> 00:40:55.039 Um, very Ruth vibes. 00:40:55.440 --> 00:41:00.880 Um, I can just see her in the period costumes, I can see her in the Ruth outfits. 00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:02.639 Um, so there we go. 00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:04.400 That's my Ruth, Carrie Coon. 00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:05.920 Yeah, I like that one. 00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:06.719 I like that one. 00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:10.800 And this is this is definitely where you and I have diverged, I think. 00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:11.360 Okay. 00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:14.719 But this is the beauty of not sharing anything. 00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:19.440 And I'm and I'm looking at it being like, oh, we are about to have a handbrake turn right now. 00:41:19.760 --> 00:41:26.639 So um mine is actually from just down the road. 00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:31.119 So my Ruth is a uh British actress called Maxine Peak. 00:41:31.199 --> 00:41:39.440 So Maxine Peak is from a place uh called Bolton in Greater Manchester, which is just like half an hour from uh from me in Manchester. 00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:47.440 Now she Maxine Peake is genuinely right now one of the most respected actors of her generation, of our generation. 00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:57.440 She's never chased franchises, she's never kind of been, she's never cast like sort of in roles where she is the center of gravity, like she doesn't sort of go after that. 00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:13.280 Um, but she brings this just just remarkably um real and uh authentic sort of um streak to every performance that she does, and it is incredibly raw. 00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:18.320 And so I'm thinking about the scenes where you know I love the shot because I talk about it all the time. 00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:25.199 The shot where Ruth is sitting in the lifeboat looking at Titanic and she has this like kind of glassy eyed thing. 00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:35.199 I just think um Frances Fisher's performance, her face in that scene just does as much as seeing the horror of that thinking. 00:42:35.280 --> 00:42:45.119 Like you can just see the pain and the horror and the all of the thoughts of this mother about her daughter being still on the ship or not knowing where her daughter is. 00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:47.519 You can see it all over Frances Fisher's face. 00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:50.239 And someone like Maxine Peak could do this. 00:42:50.400 --> 00:43:06.400 She is the kind of person, I mean, Maxine Peak isn't is like a proper, like kind of hard northerner, like, you

know, really has that kind of um, you know, sort of uh life experience type um uh feel to her. 00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:13.440 And I think, you know, she's not she's not the kind of person who backs backs down easily, and I think she would bring that to this role. 00:43:13.599 --> 00:43:18.400 So um, yeah, I I mean she is just a fantastic, fantastic actor. 00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:25.039 And um, you know, I think she would be quite a bit hard, a bit grittier than perhaps Frances Fisher would be. 00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:26.559 So it is a slightly different vibe. 00:43:26.719 --> 00:43:28.320 Um yeah, but she looks, I don't know. 00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:31.519 I mean, Frances Fisher definitely has a little bit of a hardened vibe to her. 00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:39.280 Not in a bad, I mean, not in an unattractive way, just um, you know, I I definitely think there's a thread that Fran that is a very Francis Fisher about her. 00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:44.159 I actually pulled up, I pulled up to some, I maybe I should have used one of these in my slideshow. 00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:47.039 I pulled up some images of Carrie Coon too in her Gilded Age. 00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:50.239 Because she I don't think they're that dissimilar, really. 00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:56.639 Like they both have like that harder jaw and they can look a little bit like hardened and a little bit almost kind of angry. 00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:05.280 Well, I was gonna say, I think it's like it's it's that they Seem like they can both hold this kind of stillness and make it a judgment. 00:44:05.360 --> 00:44:25.599 That's sort of what I was saying is that like that that that facial acting from Francis Fisher, that ability, you know, like the corset scene, her ability to really kind of get things across in in actually a very short amount of time, um, and and not be moved off it, I think is quite uh um an important part of this role. 00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:32.960 But she's actually it's it's fairly small, but there are moments that really, really, really matter and add quite a lot to the film. 00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:40.320 And I think certainly the two people that we've picked, I think, could probably pull off that those like quite pivotal but small moments. 00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:51.920 Yeah, you need you need a Ruth that can do a lot of eye acting in micro moments where she's got to convey austerity or anger or sadness, or yeah, you really need you. 00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:55.039 I mean, the Ruth character needs a really strong actress. 00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:57.199 You can't just throw anybody in that role. 00:44:57.280 --> 00:44:57.519 Yeah. 00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:01.679 Um, so I think, yeah, I actually think both are very, very good choices. 00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:03.679 I actually haven't heard of her, so I'm gonna look her up. 00:45:03.840 --> 00:45:06.719 Um okay, who do I have next? 00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:10.320 Let me go back to my okay. 00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:12.480 I gotta go back to my who am I next? 00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:17.440 Okay, so next we have Bruce Ismay. 00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:23.679 And I have gone with Tobias Menzies. 00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:29.840 And let me tell you that I also this is a way for me to get Outlander in there. 00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.159 So uh this is genius. 00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:39.280 Um uh no, in all seriousness, Tobias Menzies is one of the greatest actors, I think, of his generation. 00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:43.119 Uh, a lot of people will know him from Outlander in the first three seasons. 00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:45.280 He plays the the villain. 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:57.599 He plays Frank, who is he's double cast as Claire's husband from the 1940s, and then also as his evil, evil, evil ancestor who causes all the problems in the 1700s. 00:45:57.760 --> 00:46:00.880 Um, his main so the he's mostly in those scenes. 00:46:00.960 --> 00:46:10.320 Um, and he plays a really evil British officer who is out for blood and um also guilty of things like sexual abuse. 00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:15.360 I mean, we're talking this is a really scary role to dig into. 00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:19.280 Um, he comes off as just pure fucking evil. 00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:23.840 Um, but you know, obviously Tobias Menzies has done a lot of different types of roles as well. 00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:30.960 But I just think not that I think Bruce Ismay is evil, um, but I just think it's a good match because of, I mean, acting calibered. 00:46:31.039 --> 00:46:37.039 I mean, Tobias Menzies should have won an Emmy for his first season of Outlander, and he probably should have won an Emmy for a lot of different things. 00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:42.239 Um, he's been on the crown, he's um he just portrayed Abraham Lincoln in a mini-series. 00:46:42.400 --> 00:46:43.119 He's incredible. 00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:48.719 Um, but he's got the, he's capable of this deepness um in his face. 00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:50.480 He's also capable of lightness. 00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:55.440 Like he can really, again, it's the eyes, it's the facial acting, he can shift back and forth. 00:46:55.679 --> 00:47:16.480 Um, I could see him throwing a mustache on and just perfectly walking into the Bruce Ismay role and being able to convey what I think is a pretty complicated kind of psyche of Bruce Ismay, which of course there's been this completely new discourse over the last few years of reevaluating Bruce Isme. 00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:18.719 I've talked a lot about it on my podcast. 00:47:18.960 --> 00:47:23.119 Um, a much more multifaceted person than people have given him credit for. 00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:27.039 So I think Tobias has the he's got the acting chops to do that. 00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:30.239 He's got the look for it, throw a mustache on. 00:47:30.480 --> 00:47:46.000 And I think like if I were if someone were actually recasting, I think a role like this would be such a gift for someone like Tobias Menzies, who has quietly been doing really

great work in the background for years, but never had that like star-making moment. 00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:58.079 And I think it would be fun for someone like him to get like the buzz that came with being in a movie like this after years of quietly giving like incredible performances. 00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:01.920 That you the look there is is really good. 00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:03.599 Actually, you've matched that really well. 00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:07.119 Mine doesn't match quite as well, but he that really looks like you. 00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:12.480 Yeah, you chuck on a mustache, and that is basically it's my yeah, that's a really good one. 00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:19.840 Um so mine is mine again is a little bit um odd and back to the Brits. 00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:26.159 But I've chosen him because Tobias Menzies is British. 00:48:26.239 --> 00:48:28.000 I have included quite a few British people. 00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:29.360 No, I know, I know, I know. 00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:42.400 I'm just thinking because actually in Cameron's film, it's there's a lot of slightly strange kind of American British crossover type people, but um uh and some accents that maybe not always anyway. 00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:44.000 Let's not go down the road. 00:48:44.159 --> 00:48:54.239 Um, so yeah, so I've chosen this uh Jay Bruce Ismay because um he's quite good at adapting to pretty much any role I've seen, actually. 00:48:54.400 --> 00:49:00.079 And so I think you might, you know, you're talking there about this role that is quite complicated and is quite complex. 00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:03.440 And you know, it's not as simple as you say, like he's not just this evil person. 00:49:03.519 --> 00:49:14.000 And there are moments um in James Cameron's film where you see Isme doing things like helping load the lifeboats, and you see there are little these glimmers where you know he is not actually portrayed as this two-dimensional evil um person. 00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:17.760 So I've gone with Matt Smith. 00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:19.840 Oh, yeah. 00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:25.039 You know, I have to say, so John, my husband, I say, I mean, obviously, Pablo N is my husband. 00:49:25.119 --> 00:49:28.480 I just for anyone listening, and if I just throw John, it's like there's so many Johns in the world. 00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:29.280 Who are you talking about? 00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:38.639 But John, my husband, um, he though he was like kind of looking over my shoulder and offering me some like ideas, and he was so desperately trying to get a doctor in there. 00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:44.400 Like he can't he was like, he suggested Matt Smith or stuff, he suggested David Tennant for stuff. 00:49:44.480 --> 00:49:47.760 I'm like, you're trying to get a doctor in, and that's not happening right now. 00:49:48.000 --> 00:49:49.360 I see, see, I think so. 00:49:49.440 --> 00:49:59.599 Yeah, Matt Smith, he played the 11th Doctor and Doctor Who, but he's also done uh The Crown, um, he's

done House of Dragon, he's done a lot on stage as well. 00:49:59.840 --> 00:50:07.360 He's a very so he's a really interesting actor because he's on the face of it, I think people dismiss him a little bit. 00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:14.800 Um, because I think there is a sort of, he came in and played the Doctor at a time when the show was going through quite a lot of changes. 00:50:14.880 --> 00:50:20.239 And I think partly because of that, he's been not dismissed, that's not fair. 00:50:20.320 --> 00:50:23.039 He's taken very seriously as an actor in the UK, particularly on stage. 00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:27.840 But I think maybe that had a little bit of a dent in um in his reputation. 00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:45.039 But actually, I think that he is very good at switching from um quite light-hearted and quite um sort of straight, straight through acting, down to, you know, quite strained and quite um emotionally complicated actors. 00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:49.599 And you see that in things like Doctor Who, actually, which, you know, people don't give that show enough credit. 00:50:49.760 --> 00:51:12.719 I mean, I'm I don't watch anymore, but it actually is very good at tackling quite a lot of both light-hearted and really fun moments, of course, you're traveling through time, but then actually they have very deep and quite emotional and quite um intense storylines sometimes, which are you know center around kind of class divides and um uh gender and um you know things like that. 00:51:12.800 --> 00:51:27.920 And so I think he has navigated a lot of that, and I think that he, you know, he doesn't play for sympathy, he doesn't play for laughs, he just has a way of bringing that character into a quite um rounded uh place. 00:51:28.239 --> 00:51:52.320 And so I I like it because he's not immediately charismatic, he's not um, you know, you don't read that as uh like a star weight, but actually I think he can carry Isme and and give the sort of uh Isme the kind of full kind of circle moment that um you know that he deserves. 00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:55.360 So I think I'm quite happy. 00:51:55.519 --> 00:51:59.440 And I again I think just slap on a mustache, and I think you've got you just slap on a mustache. 00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:10.960 He looks he he has like a darkness, but also a vulnerability Matt, yeah, he has a vulnerability in his face that I think really works to his advantage in a lot of the roles. 00:52:11.039 --> 00:52:32.880 I've seen him in quite a few things over the years, and there's a vulnerability there that I think you need, and especially if you're going with a slightly more modern interpretation of Isme, which, like, let's be honest, anyone recasting in 2026 is gonna have, as we have had, like much more complex conversations about some of these characters than James Cameron did in 1997, you know. 00:52:33.119 --> 00:52:35.760 Um, okay, I think those are both good. 00:52:35.920 --> 00:52:37.920 Um, who is next? 00:52:38.159 --> 00:52:44.000

Next we have Molly Brown, and I have gone with Melissa McCarthy. 00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:53.840 I was going, I she was my just I just didn't choose her, but I so nearly did. 00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:57.440 I knew you I knew you were gonna have her on your list. 00:52:57.599 --> 00:53:00.079 I was kind of curious to see if we both would do it. 00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:06.079 Uh obviously I know Bridesmaids is one of your favorite films of all time, as it is one of mine. 00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:14.239 Um, she also has a special place in my heart because she got her start on Gilmore Girls, which is where my daughter's name is from, Lorelai, obviously. 00:53:14.320 --> 00:53:19.039 Um, so I've been following her, you know, since before she was huge and and famous. 00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:28.400 Um, so I think the the vibe, she is like, she's like the same as casting Kathy Bates in 1997, right? 00:53:28.480 --> 00:53:31.920 Like this big star that's been nominated for Oscars. 00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:34.719 She's proven she can do drama and comedy. 00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:37.679 Um, so she's gonna lend some credibility to the role. 00:53:37.840 --> 00:53:42.000 Um, I think she's got that loud, bombastic thing you want in a Molly Brown. 00:53:42.320 --> 00:53:47.280 Um, she can do a little smirk and give you everything she need you need with that character. 00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:49.199 Um, and she just, I don't know. 00:53:49.280 --> 00:53:52.639 I just when I started thinking about Molly, nobody else. 00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:53.599 I know. 00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:55.519 I did exactly the same thing. 00:53:55.599 --> 00:53:57.599 I did exactly the same. 00:53:57.840 --> 00:54:00.159 There is, she really does, you're totally right. 00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:08.719 She totally brings just the the sort of the fullness. 00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:09.440 It's so hard. 00:54:09.519 --> 00:54:14.320 Like, I just think that Kathy Bates, I mean, I honestly I think Kathy Bates was just flawless in that role, genuinely. 00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:14.880 Oh, of course. 00:54:15.119 --> 00:54:19.760 But I think Melissa McCarthy also brings that fullness, that kind of light-hearted life experience. 00:54:20.159 --> 00:54:22.000 I just yeah, I just think she's yeah, you're terrible. 00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:27.360 And put her, can't you just imagine her in like the Molly Brown costumes with the headdress? 00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:31.440 Yeah, and she wouldn't let the costume wear her, she'd be wearing the costume. 00:54:31.599 --> 00:54:40.079 And um well, all of those all of those scenes with Leo, like you know, you shine up like a near panny, like all of that, she would just land it so badly. 00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:40.880 Land it. 00:54:41.039 --> 00:54:42.159 She would steal the movie. 00:54:42.719 --> 00:54:44.480 I know, I no notes. 00:54:44.559 --> 00:54:47.519 I wholeheartedly agree on that. 00:54:48.079 --> 00:54:48.480 All right. 00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:56.480 I have another I have another one coming that you're gonna you're gonna be so happy about and give me no notes, and I'm gonna make you so happy in life. 00:54:56.639 --> 00:55:01.039 But anyway, um, okay, so who I I'm kind of shocked you didn't pick her. 00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:13.360 So who's your so I I did pick her for a very long time, and then I remembered a brilliant show I watched actually when I lived in New York with this actress in, and I and exactly the same as Melissa McCarthy. 00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:16.800 So I went with Margot, yeah. 00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:17.440 Margaret. 00:55:17.599 --> 00:55:20.079 I know who she is, she's in everything, yeah. 00:55:20.239 --> 00:55:20.480 Yeah. 00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:22.079 She is British. 00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:37.519 So she was in um a series that I watched, which was basically about this kind of um I don't really know how you how I'd explain it actually, but basically like a a sort of um a heist of honey kind of thing. 00:55:37.679 --> 00:55:57.920 So it was called the sticky, and it's it's basically a series about um this this like um maple syrup farmer who um sort of she kind of gets attacked by competitors who are all trying to kind of get in on the industry of making maple syrup. 00:55:58.159 --> 00:56:02.000 It is a brilliant series, but it is very Molly Brown. 00:56:02.079 --> 00:56:06.960 It's very like making your own way, pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. 00:56:07.199 --> 00:56:17.119 Um, you know, uh she she ends up in this series going on to kind of do this like uh have this huge revenge on this, on this sort of, it's almost like Big Pharma, but uh sort of big maple syrup, you know. 00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:19.679 And she's kind of targeted by Big Maple syrup. 00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:23.199 So she goes on to kind of get revenge on this, on this company. 00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:24.639 But she is brilliant. 00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:37.039 She switches from just deadpan, like really aggressive, like quite heavy, to just like side-clutchingly hilarious, you know, just so funny. 00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:47.119 Very similar to Kathy Bates, very similar to Melissa McCarthy, um, really just a wonderful, wonderful actor. 00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:48.239 Um, and has this. 00:56:48.639 --> 00:56:49.599 Yeah, she's delightful. 00:56:49.679 --> 00:56:51.440 I've seen her pop up in a lot of different stuff. 00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:52.320 She's brilliant. 00:56:52.480 --> 00:57:01.039 She has this, I think she has this load-bearing quality that again, Kathy Bates had that she like actually carries quite a lot, and she's there for quite important moments in the film, right? 00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:11.280 Um, even though you think of her as just kind of a side piece, she's actually really quite important and she's so brilliant at making you warm to her. 00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:28.079 And I think it's why I love this role so much um in this series I'm talking about, because you love her, even though she's absolutely awful in in

some moments, but she's still so warm and so able to bring you with her on, you know, you really root for her to be breaking the law and doing all these terrible things. 00:57:28.239 --> 00:57:30.239 So just so funny. 00:57:30.400 --> 00:57:32.719 I mean, genuinely um well, that's the thing. 00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:34.719 Like whoever plays Molly has to be funny. 00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:35.840 You have to be able to be funny. 00:57:36.079 --> 00:57:38.239 I think you have to like I think it has to be in your bones. 00:57:38.320 --> 00:57:42.320 I think you have to be a Kathy Bates, a Margot a Melissa. 00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:45.199 Like you have to be those kind of people who just they just are. 00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:46.320 They just are funny. 00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:48.320 Some people are, some people are not, and they are. 00:57:48.639 --> 00:57:49.679 You have to be funny, yeah. 00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:51.920 Yeah, and so yeah, it's so funny. 00:57:52.239 --> 00:57:57.280 I was I certainly chose Melissa McCarthy, but then I remembered this series and I thought, I think she just edges it. 00:57:57.360 --> 00:58:02.480 I think she also looks like Kathy Brown, um, um, Kathy Bates and and Molly Brown, I think. 00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:09.039 Yeah, and but I mean, yeah, I think they all have the same vibe, but she probably looks more like Kathy Bates. 00:58:09.199 --> 00:58:09.679 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:58:09.840 --> 00:58:10.239 100%. 00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:11.679 I'm very happy with it. 00:58:11.840 --> 00:58:14.239 This is one of the ones I'm most happy about. 00:58:15.039 --> 00:58:18.880 I it's a good choice, but I I I just I think I nailed it with Melissa. 00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:31.360 I still think Melissa is I I ride or die for this, but I'm I sort of I suspected that you would have her, if not, if you didn't pick her, I knew you would have her in your top three. 00:58:31.519 --> 00:58:31.679 Yeah. 00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:33.119 Um, okay. 00:58:33.519 --> 00:58:36.480 Next we have Spicer Lovejoy. 00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:39.920 And I went with never addressed what a ridiculous name this is, by the way. 00:58:40.079 --> 00:58:41.199 Spicer Lovejoy. 00:58:41.360 --> 00:58:44.400 Like did James Cameron just have an aneurysm that day or something? 00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:47.039 Yeah, probably like a little teeny one. 00:58:47.360 --> 00:58:50.559 Um, it's also like an amazing, it's amazing. 00:58:50.719 --> 00:58:52.880 I want to name a dog Spicer Lovejoy. 00:58:53.039 --> 00:58:56.159 Um so obviously the great name, bro. 00:58:56.639 --> 00:58:58.559 Yeah, come here, Spicer. 00:58:58.960 --> 00:59:08.559 Um so uh played in the movie, obviously, by the very good actor David Warner, who had also been in a Titanic movie, Titanic SOS in the 1970s. 00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:13.679 Um, I went with, I actually have to give credit to my husband, John, for this one. 00:59:13.840 --> 00:59:17.519 Um, he pulled this one out and I was like, yeah. 00:59:17.920 --> 00:59:24.639 So obviously, Tim Roth, a seasoned, seasoned actor, you know, known for his work with Tarantino and countless things. 00:59:24.719 --> 00:59:26.000 Look up his IMDB. 00:59:26.159 --> 00:59:31.280 Um, very serious actor that's also capable of like a wink and a nod. 00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:37.840 Um, I think in my version of things, like most of his scenes, obviously in my recasting, will be with Connor's story. 00:59:37.920 --> 00:59:44.880 And I think that turns those scenes into a very dark place, which I think would be an interesting um area to take it. 00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:53.039 You know, I mean, those are already quite dark interactions, but with Billy Zane and David Warner, it's more of like, I can't raise my eyebrow, but more of an eyebrow raise kind of thing. 00:59:53.199 --> 01:00:02.559 I think if you take Connor's story and Tim Roth, you turn it into actually a pretty serious, these pretty dark, you know, like passing the or showing the gun, passing stuff over between them. 01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:08.639 I think you have two actors of that caliber and you've got some really interesting drama. 01:00:08.800 --> 01:00:10.000 Um, so I don't know. 01:00:10.079 --> 01:00:13.039 He just looks apart to me, he's got the acting chops. 01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:18.639 I think it would be really interesting to see like a capital A actor in this role. 01:00:18.800 --> 01:00:20.079 And I don't know, it's just a fun one. 01:00:20.159 --> 01:00:23.519 I just like the minute John suggested it, I was like, yeah, that makes sense. 01:00:23.679 --> 01:00:24.800 No, he's he's really good. 01:00:24.960 --> 01:00:29.119 And I remember him actually from Tin Star, which is a brilliant series he's in. 01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:35.199 And he had he does have that kind of um quite pained um performative activity here. 01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:36.559 He's really he's really good, actually. 01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:37.519 It's a great choice. 01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:40.400 Yeah, I John gets full credit for that one. 01:00:40.480 --> 01:00:43.599 He pulled that one out, and I was like, Yep, that's it. 01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:54.159 Okay, so my my love joy is um Michael Shannon. 01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:56.800 Oh my gosh, I actually considered him. 01:00:56.960 --> 01:00:57.840 I considered him. 01:00:58.000 --> 01:01:01.039 He was on my list of like 10 when I started narrowing it down. 01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:02.000 Yeah, before I yeah. 01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:05.360 So I just think he is brilliant. 01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:11.760 He everything he's been in, he just has this, he just has the Lovejoy vibe about him. 01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:17.679 He is just so um, I don't even know how you explain it really. 01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:26.719 He just has the kind of uh almost absence, you know, in the way that Lovejoy is just sort of taking almost like dead-eyed, yeah. 01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:37.840 Yeah, like an all there's something about Lovejoy that feels like he has been

through so much, like he's had to deal with so much shit from he is done, and he's like ready to fucking retire. 01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:44.960 And he has this vibe of like, I've got to do one more fucking Atlantic crossing with this shit Joe of a human being. 01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:46.000 Yeah, yeah. 01:01:46.320 --> 01:01:52.239 Like he is ready to cut the ties, he is ready to go, and I think Shannon can do that. 01:01:52.480 --> 01:02:03.519 Shannon can do these performances, which you can just feel he's like, you never see it happen, but you can tell he's just on the edge, like he's just about ready to go, ready to blow up. 01:02:03.679 --> 01:02:05.920 Um, and I think Shannon is just that. 01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:17.440 He is the kind of the uh sort of the definitive modern kind of company man who's just stopped asking questions and is ready to just like lose his shit anytime soon. 01:02:17.519 --> 01:02:25.199 Um and honestly, I mean, not that dissimilar from his character in Revolutionary Road, just maybe ready to just go jump off a bridge. 01:02:25.440 --> 01:02:37.119 Like, I'm not, I mean, and and I mean, not to be uh sorry to put a trigger warning on anything that these days has anything to do with even joking about, you know, self-harm or suicide, but like I'm just I'm not, I mean, it actually is not funny. 01:02:37.199 --> 01:02:37.760 I'm serious. 01:02:37.840 --> 01:02:39.920 Like it really, like Lovejoy. 01:02:40.239 --> 01:02:51.280 If you think about that character, like he's there's some deep stuff going on there, and he's not in a good mental place, and he is probably lived a very hard life, and he just looks like he's ready. 01:02:51.360 --> 01:02:54.800 I mean, I I wouldn't have been shocked if he just walked into the ocean. 01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:55.440 You know what I mean? 01:02:55.519 --> 01:03:03.920 Like, I just like there is definitely some darker stuff going on with that character and him having ended up in the job that he's ended up in and having to do what he has to do. 01:03:04.239 --> 01:03:11.360 Yeah, and I think if anyone's seen the film 99 Homes, um, which is brilliant, uh, and it also stars Andrew Garfield, one of my favorite actors. 01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:18.079 Um, it's a really brilliant film about a sort of for the father sort of struggling to um get his home back essentially. 01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:20.719 He's kind of had his home repossessed with his family. 01:03:20.880 --> 01:03:25.039 Um, and Shannon is in that and he has that same kind of feel. 01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:37.760 Uh, you know, Shannon has to do a pretty unpleasant job, but with sort of this professional calm, whilst you can sort of see the cogs behind it just, you know, ready to, you know, they're just gearing up for something. 01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:40.800 So I think, and I Shannon just does that brilliantly. 01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:45.920 Um, so yeah, that's my I mean he's just I mean, Michael Shannon's one of the greatest actors of of a

generation. 01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:47.920 I mean, he's he's incredible. 01:03:48.159 --> 01:03:49.360 100% agree. 01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:50.639 I sign off. 01:03:50.960 --> 01:03:56.639 Um, I think this next one might be the one that you're gonna lose your mind on. 01:03:56.800 --> 01:03:57.760 Nope, nope, okay. 01:03:57.920 --> 01:03:58.719 That's the next one. 01:03:58.800 --> 01:03:59.199 All right. 01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:04.960 So this is um, I love all the tangents I'm getting to go on. 01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:08.239 So this is for Officer William Murdoch. 01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:10.000 I have cast Lewis Pullman. 01:04:10.239 --> 01:04:25.760 Now, yes, he is the son of beloved actor Bill Pullman, who has played the president of the United States, has stolen our hearts with Sandy B and While You Were Sleeping, was the father in Casper. 01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:31.440 I mean, just the night, the run that Bill Pullman had in the 90s of like the everyman. 01:04:31.599 --> 01:04:34.880 Um, he was in so many big movies, popcorn movies. 01:04:34.960 --> 01:04:36.639 The man's probably so wealthy. 01:04:36.719 --> 01:04:40.960 Um, and by all accounts, just like the nicest human being on earth. 01:04:41.119 --> 01:04:45.360 Um, oh, the guy who gets left behind at the altar in sleepless in Seattle. 01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:47.280 I mean, you just go on and on. 01:04:47.440 --> 01:04:52.559 Um, so this is his son, who has obviously Nepo baby situation too. 01:04:52.719 --> 01:04:58.639 Um, but he looks just like his dad, just with like a little sexier edge thrown in. 01:04:58.719 --> 01:05:04.559 And I'm like, this is like a copy and paste with some added spice, and like I'm liking this. 01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:07.199 So he is an incredible actor. 01:05:07.360 --> 01:05:19.679 I just watched him in a movie called The Testament of Anne Lee, which is um a biographical film about Anne Lee who founded the Shaker movement, um, which is a sact of Quakers. 01:05:19.840 --> 01:05:21.440 Amanda Seifried is in that movie. 01:05:21.519 --> 01:05:22.079 She's really good. 01:05:22.159 --> 01:05:24.639 I'm shocked she didn't get nominated for an Oscar for that. 01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:26.880 Um, but he has a pretty big role in that movie. 01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:33.679 And I'd seen him in a couple of other smaller things, um, but he's an incredible actor and he just has that like weathered look. 01:05:33.920 --> 01:05:40.960 Um, I could see him in the officer's uniform, and I could see him looking just really worried like about everything. 01:05:41.199 --> 01:05:46.239 And um, I don't know, I just wanted to put him in some role because I'm kind of mildly obsessed with him right now. 01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:47.360 I think he's a great actor. 01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:51.920 And I was like, I grew up on his dad's movie, so it's just like weird. 01:05:52.079 --> 01:05:55.199 Um, Nepo baby, like some Nepo babies are okay. 01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:56.480 I'll give him a free pass. 01:05:56.559 --> 01:05:59.679 Um, uh, but yeah, he's he's fantastic, and I he's kind. 01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:03.840 Of on the up, so I bet he's about to be in a lot of other good stuff too. 01:06:04.559 --> 01:06:09.280 We have a very attractive recasting going on between the two of us. 01:06:09.599 --> 01:06:12.800 Like this is a this is a sexy Titanic recasting. 01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:15.119 This is a sexy Titanic. 01:06:16.079 --> 01:06:19.360 Um okay, I think so. 01:06:20.239 --> 01:06:22.079 You're either gonna love or hate this. 01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:22.639 Okay. 01:06:22.880 --> 01:06:31.599 You're either gonna think this is the best thing that ever happened, or you're gonna hate me for ruining both the character and the actor who I know you really like. 01:06:32.320 --> 01:06:39.119 But for my William Murdoch, I have gone with Rafe Spall. 01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:42.400 Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. 01:06:42.639 --> 01:06:43.920 I gotta tell you something. 01:06:44.079 --> 01:06:46.559 I have him in an honorable mention for somebody. 01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:46.880 Okay. 01:06:47.199 --> 01:06:49.760 I I didn't consider him for this part. 01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:53.840 I thought maybe he's a little old for this part, but I can see it. 01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:58.000 And I really, he was my second choice for another one we're about to talk about. 01:06:58.320 --> 01:06:58.880 So yeah. 01:06:59.039 --> 01:06:59.679 I love it. 01:06:59.920 --> 01:07:05.360 I so Rafe Spall is uh, if anyone doesn't know, is um a British actor in a series at the moment. 01:07:05.519 --> 01:07:10.719 Well, he's done lots of things, but he's in a series at the moment that both LA and I are obsessed with called Trying. 01:07:10.880 --> 01:07:14.239 If you haven't seen Trying, oh my god, watch it immediately. 01:07:14.719 --> 01:07:17.119 Subscription to Apple TV and just binge it, yeah. 01:07:17.440 --> 01:07:18.559 Absolute urgency. 01:07:18.719 --> 01:07:20.159 Do not wait a single second. 01:07:20.320 --> 01:07:25.599 Get a subscription to Apple TV, watch every single episode of Trying and just never stop watching. 01:07:25.760 --> 01:07:26.639 I love this show. 01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:28.880 I cry, I laugh, I just never wanted to end. 01:07:28.960 --> 01:07:34.960 And when they announced it was ending, I just went into like a state of We got to watch, we got to watch catatonic stay. 01:07:35.039 --> 01:07:37.679 That's probably what's contributed to our breakdown this week, actually. 01:07:38.079 --> 01:07:47.679 Well, we got to watch the season premiere together in when we were in my family and I were just in the UK, so we actually got to watch the newest season, the first episode together, which was really cool. 01:07:48.000 --> 01:07:48.719 It's brilliant. 01:07:48.800 --> 01:07:49.920 I but I think so. 01:07:50.000 --> 01:07:56.559 The reason I chose him is because I think that he he immediately you go, oh, he's a comedic actor. 01:07:56.639 --> 01:07:57.599 And

he is very funny. 01:07:57.679 --> 01:07:59.039 He's naturally very, very funny. 01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:07.760 But he also has, as you see in Trang, he also has these incredibly vulnerable moments, but also these quite um sort of weighty, heavy moments where you see him. 01:08:07.840 --> 01:08:12.239 So anyone that doesn't know Trang is essentially about a couple that is desperate to have children but can't. 01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:17.199 And so they adopt these um kids, and it's this just the chaos that ensues from adopting children. 01:08:17.359 --> 01:08:30.800 But it's also there are some really quite profound moments in this series where you see them really struggling to actually get the children and the kind of all the process and the kind of um, you know, bureaucracy that they have to go through to get these kids to adopt them. 01:08:31.039 --> 01:08:37.119 And actually, in those moments, I think you see a lot of these kind of quite strained moments between the two leading actors. 01:08:37.199 --> 01:08:40.239 And I just think Race Ball is so brilliant. 01:08:40.399 --> 01:08:51.279 I think he is uh has that kind of very decent man trying to do the right thing, not always getting it right, um, but really trying to kind of put his best foot forward. 01:08:51.359 --> 01:08:53.359 And I think that is very Murdoch, right? 01:08:53.439 --> 01:09:08.399 Like he is that kind of person, and I think that you see that both in the film, and of course, I think we've said this as like we say Titanic is basically flawless, with the exception of that one moment in in James Camp in, you know, where we're like, could have just could have done without that, you know. 01:09:08.880 --> 01:09:19.600 Well, he should have just made the officer a fictional officer because I mean, not to get too deep into the the historiography here, because this is let's be honest, this episode's not about history. 01:09:19.840 --> 01:09:27.359 Um but you know, there are there is one faction of the Titanic community that believes that it was Murdoch who killed himself. 01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:29.760 And there is some fair amount of evidence to support that. 01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:31.359 Of course, we'll never know. 01:09:31.439 --> 01:09:38.239 It's alleged, and there's no way you should never sully someone's name by trying to claim something is definitive when you we really could never know. 01:09:38.479 --> 01:09:45.840 Um, so you know, I I think he should have, if he wanted to portray that storyline, he should have just made it a fictional officer. 01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:47.279 And I don't think anybody would have cared. 01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:49.439 Just create a fictional officer and be done with it. 01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:56.479 But I think that again, I think, I mean, that ties into this sort of it's like the competence kind of thing, whether it did or didn't happen. 01:09:56.560 --> 01:10:00.239 It's the kind of in this film, you've got that sort of competence of sort of falling apart. 01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:12.079 And I think Spaul is really good at playing people who are making totally defensible decisions uh or decisions under pressure at speed, and they're kind of like falling apart, they're failing, they're a bit clunky. 01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:14.319 Um, and I just think he does that brilliantly. 01:10:14.399 --> 01:10:30.399 And I think actually we know him because of this brilliant comedy, but actually I think um he earns the space to kind of deliver a man who is kind of you know doing these sums and making these terrible decisions, uh, you know, making these decisions in terrible circumstances. 01:10:30.560 --> 01:10:32.720 So yeah, I I I think he's brilliant. 01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:35.520 I think it'd be different, but I think it'd be brilliant. 01:10:35.840 --> 01:10:37.359 No, I would be totally fine with this. 01:10:37.439 --> 01:10:39.920 You know who Rafe Spauld's father is, right? 01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:40.640 No. 01:10:40.960 --> 01:10:41.760 Timothy Spahl's? 01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:43.039 Oh, yeah, no, no, sorry, of course. 01:10:43.119 --> 01:10:44.479 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:10:44.720 --> 01:10:51.439 I just wanted to mention that too, because he uh he too is just like a wonderful actor and he's been in so much good stuff. 01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:56.000 So, but no, he I mean, so we have a lot of Nepo babies here, but it's fine. 01:10:56.159 --> 01:11:02.399 Um it's totally fine because that's just how Hollywood works, and I'm gonna say it's a better right now, you know. 01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:08.720 Um, no, I could totally see this, and I have him as a backup for something here in a minute. 01:11:08.880 --> 01:11:10.720 So um, okay. 01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:16.319 I think I want to make you close your eyes for the reveal because I think this is my next big one. 01:11:16.560 --> 01:11:16.880 Okay. 01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:18.640 Uh yes, okay. 01:11:18.800 --> 01:11:20.319 Open your eyes. 01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:21.439 Yeah. 01:11:24.800 --> 01:11:26.560 I fucking love this man. 01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:27.279 I'm sorry. 01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:31.760 This guy does not get enough attention for being such a brilliant actor. 01:11:31.920 --> 01:11:32.880 I absolutely love it. 01:11:33.039 --> 01:11:34.640 Okay, I knew you were gonna go. 01:11:34.880 --> 01:11:36.479 I knew you were gonna freak out. 01:11:36.640 --> 01:11:40.640 Okay, so um Pablo likes Andrew Garpo a lot. 01:11:40.720 --> 01:11:41.760 I I do as well. 01:11:42.000 --> 01:11:52.319 I think Andrew Garfield is underappreciated, and often people just don't know what to do with him because he's like a leading man, but he's also a character actor, but he's also, you know. 01:11:52.640 --> 01:12:03.680 I think he has so much charisma, but he also has a sad, darker side to him that there's a lot to explore with. 01:12:03.840 --> 01:12:06.800 I think for Thomas Andrews, he is the perfect age. 01:12:06.960 --> 01:12:08.720 He's got

that this photo is a little old. 01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:10.479 He's a little older than this now. 01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:18.880 Perfect age, perfect face to convey um all of the like sadness at the end, but also the joy at the beginning. 01:12:19.119 --> 01:12:26.479 I think if this movie were actually remade in 2026, this is exactly who they would go for. 01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:34.000 Um, like an actor with a lot of experience, but maybe in recent years hasn't gotten all the appreciation they deserve and has fallen off a little bit. 01:12:34.079 --> 01:12:37.760 But like, let's reinvigorate the career with like a move like this. 01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:40.319 Um, he's just fantastic. 01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:44.800 So I don't know what else to say, but I knew I had to put him in somewhere. 01:12:44.880 --> 01:12:48.560 And I thought about him for Murdoch, but then I was like, that's not a big enough role for him. 01:12:48.720 --> 01:12:50.960 Like he would need the media role. 01:12:51.119 --> 01:12:55.039 And Thomas Andrews is the beating heart of the movie in a lot of ways. 01:12:55.199 --> 01:12:58.239 And I think Andrew Garfield has what it takes to pull it off. 01:13:00.720 --> 01:13:02.000 Nothing to add. 01:13:03.119 --> 01:13:04.399 I no, no, I I totally agree. 01:13:04.640 --> 01:13:16.560 I so I tried so hard to find a role for Andrew Garfield, and I also was gonna put him here, I had him here and somewhere else, but then I had someone for Thomas Andrews that I just couldn't say no to, and so I had to sing him out. 01:13:16.640 --> 01:13:26.159 But I went through a whole process where I was like shoehorning into literally every single role, and I was like, maybe I just bump the ages up of everybody and I make Andrew Garfield the jack. 01:13:26.399 --> 01:13:33.199 Like, I just I well, I there's someone, there's someone that I really tried to shoehorn into anything that I could, and I couldn't get it to work. 01:13:33.279 --> 01:13:34.159 We'll talk about that. 01:13:34.319 --> 01:13:39.439 Um, but yeah, no, I just I knew you would appreciate this, but in my mind, there was nobody else. 01:13:39.600 --> 01:13:44.880 So no, I do agree, and I think um Andrew Garfield in period is he would be brilliant. 01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:47.279 He looked great in the clothes. 01:13:47.439 --> 01:13:57.279 Yeah, could you just imagine him in the scene with Rose, like all the all the scenes with Rose talking to her, like the gentleness, but there's also like a darkness and a sadness there. 01:13:57.439 --> 01:14:07.680 I just think he has it, and I think he's like the right amount of famous, but also like getting a little older and maybe not getting as many leading man, you know, unfortunately, roles anymore. 01:14:07.760 --> 01:14:10.159 Like he's the perfect point in his career to do it. 01:14:10.319 --> 01:14:10.960 Yeah. 01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:16.800 I agree, I agree, and I love Andrew Garfield, so any excuse to talk about Andrew Garfield is fine by me. 01:14:17.039 --> 01:14:22.800 Um my Thomas Andrews, I went a little bit older, but I'm sorry. 01:14:22.960 --> 01:14:29.520 If you look at this photo and do not tell me that this is Thomas Andrews, then I just I just don't believe you. 01:14:29.680 --> 01:14:29.840 Okay. 01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:38.000 My Thomas Andrews is the incredible, iconic British actor Hugh Bonneville. 01:14:38.239 --> 01:14:39.199 Oh my god. 01:14:39.439 --> 01:14:43.279 And I'm sorry, tell me right now, that is not Thomas Bonneville. 01:14:43.680 --> 01:14:49.840 It's a slightly older take, but yes, I 100% that is Thomas Andrews, just a little older. 01:14:50.000 --> 01:14:50.159 Yeah. 01:14:50.640 --> 01:14:51.920 It is Thomas Andrews. 01:14:52.000 --> 01:14:53.119 He Hugh Bonneville. 01:14:53.359 --> 01:14:55.840 I mean, I I probably don't need to explain who Hugh Bonneville is. 01:14:55.920 --> 01:14:56.079 Everybody. 01:14:56.399 --> 01:15:01.199 I mean, anybody, anybody who's even seen Paddington knows the joys of Pew Bonneville. 01:15:01.279 --> 01:15:03.039 He's just like, he's incredible. 01:15:03.279 --> 01:15:04.159 He's so wonderful. 01:15:04.720 --> 01:15:16.640 But I I think the thing about Hugh Bonneville is that actually Paddington is a really good example because you he has this ability to bring like real authority to something that kind of shouldn't be there. 01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:27.920 Like he is, he can be incredibly funny, incredibly serious, um, a really versatile actor, but I think he brings real authority and authenticity to everything he does. 01:15:28.159 --> 01:15:33.199 Um, I I just think for something like Thomas Andrews, I'm thinking about the smoking scene stuff. 01:15:33.279 --> 01:15:35.119 I'm thinking about the staring at the painting. 01:15:35.199 --> 01:15:51.520 I'm thinking, you know, all of those moments, which again, small but so significant, those moments where he's doing the calculations in his head, Hugh Bonneville would nail those scenes, that kind of, you know, those massive moments where the calculations are like this ship is going to sink. 01:15:51.840 --> 01:15:56.079 Or like when he's talking about the lifeboats with Rose, going over the math and everything. 01:15:56.239 --> 01:15:56.560 Yeah, yeah. 01:15:57.039 --> 01:15:57.199 Yeah. 01:15:57.359 --> 01:15:58.560 He just can brings that. 01:15:58.640 --> 01:16:01.920 And obviously, of course, he's done Down to Nabi, which is very Titanic vibes. 01:16:02.079 --> 01:16:06.079 It actually begins, if anyone doesn't know Downtown Abbey, begins with the sinking of Titanic. 01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:16.399 Well, you know, my I've told you my theory that the Gilded Age is uh going to end with um, I believe the Gilded Age will end with um with Titanic. 01:16:16.479 --> 01:16:22.960 I think it will end with John Jacob Astor getting on Titanic because right now in the Gilded Age, we've been introduced to that part of the Astor family. 01:16:23.119 --> 01:16:28.800 And I think it I

I predict he's gonna do the cheeky thing of ending the Gilded Age with Titanic. 01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:29.279 That's right. 01:16:29.520 --> 01:16:29.680 Yeah. 01:16:29.920 --> 01:16:31.600 Well, I mean, it's all intertwined, right? 01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:36.319 But I think, you know, uh just Hugh Bonneville, I just I I don't I don't need to explain it. 01:16:36.399 --> 01:16:40.239 If I have to explain why Hugh Bonneville is Thomas Andrews, then you just you're failing. 01:16:40.640 --> 01:16:50.239 Well, and it would be it's an older interpretation of of Thomas Andrews, but honestly, it really doesn't matter because if you think about it in the 97 movie, they never mention that he has a young daughter. 01:16:50.399 --> 01:16:53.359 They don't talk about, you know, like so it really doesn't matter. 01:16:53.439 --> 01:16:57.039 Like you just don't mention that, and it doesn't matter what age he is, really. 01:16:57.119 --> 01:17:04.640 You know, like someone in the job he's in could be anyone, anywhere from like their 20s to their 70s, like it just doesn't matter, you know. 01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:08.319 Um, yeah, no, that's that's I it's a plus. 01:17:09.039 --> 01:17:10.399 I will give you a plus. 01:17:10.960 --> 01:17:11.600 All right. 01:17:11.920 --> 01:17:14.880 Next we have oh, that's it. 01:17:15.039 --> 01:17:17.039 So I think then we just have honorable mentions. 01:17:17.279 --> 01:17:19.520 Is that all of our I think that's it? 01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:20.399 Did I miss anybody? 01:17:20.560 --> 01:17:22.560 I think I got it because we cut out Fabrizio. 01:17:22.960 --> 01:17:24.880 We did cut out Fabrizio, yeah. 01:17:25.359 --> 01:17:28.159 Um, so I'm going to reveal. 01:17:28.560 --> 01:17:30.319 Well, I'll just say, listen. 01:17:30.479 --> 01:17:34.800 I know people listening are probably gonna think, like, well, what about old Rose? 01:17:35.039 --> 01:17:37.760 Uh to be quite honest, we found that boring. 01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:45.840 Um, I think that any actress worth her salt over the age of 80 in the right age makeup could play Rose. 01:17:45.920 --> 01:17:52.159 I'm not all love to Gloria Stewart, but that just wasn't a conversation that I needed to have in my mind. 01:17:52.319 --> 01:17:53.279 You know what I mean? 01:17:53.520 --> 01:17:57.199 Um, we did think about casting Fabrizio and Tommy. 01:17:57.279 --> 01:18:00.159 Um, and we can mention some of that in honorable mentions. 01:18:00.319 --> 01:18:04.000 I think those are roles that could be filled by a lot of people. 01:18:04.159 --> 01:18:09.039 Um, I think in the role of Tommy, you know, I I had sent Pablo a screenshot of an Irish actor. 01:18:09.119 --> 01:18:19.359 I just think like there's a lot of good options, and it would have been fun to go down the line even to the smaller characters, but we only have a certain amount of time, and it just is what it is. 01:18:19.520 --> 01:18:30.079 So a few people we have not done, but what we tried to do was like the core, the core ones where it's like these are the beating heart of the movie, they're you know, they have the most screen time. 01:18:30.399 --> 01:18:36.800 So that's what we rolled with, um, you know, and we didn't really worry about the more present-day storyline. 01:18:36.880 --> 01:18:39.039 We decided to not try to recast that. 01:18:39.199 --> 01:18:39.359 Yeah. 01:18:39.520 --> 01:18:48.720 Um, although I would just, as one of my honorable mentions, like to point out that for Louis Bodine, if you don't put Jack Black in that role just for fun, like what? 01:18:48.880 --> 01:18:50.880 You know, what are you doing? 01:18:51.520 --> 01:19:06.159 Um but before I forget, I would also like to say that my children were participating in this a little bit and they they have required me to say that they really wanted to see Steve Martin in Titanic. 01:19:06.319 --> 01:19:11.439 And I said, I just don't know where because they love Steve Martin, which who doesn't live love Steve Martin. 01:19:11.520 --> 01:19:12.479 I grew up on Steve Martin. 01:19:12.640 --> 01:19:13.680 I don't know where to put him. 01:19:13.840 --> 01:19:22.560 So we talked about it and we decided to go with Archibald Gracie being quite elderly and it's Steve Martin with a little mustache. 01:19:22.960 --> 01:19:37.760 So I just want to give that plug that a nice cameo in a recast would basically be Steve Martin in a couple of scenes as a fun cameo as Archibald Gracie with his cigar and a and a little mustache, which I think could be cool. 01:19:38.000 --> 01:19:40.479 So I had to put that out there before I forget. 01:19:40.640 --> 01:19:47.359 Um so do you want to just like go down the list of a few honorable mentions? 01:19:47.439 --> 01:19:52.560 Or should we just like why don't I just do mine and then you just do yours and we'll just kind of batch it? 01:19:52.720 --> 01:19:52.960 Okay. 01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:59.680 So I did not have time to add pictures to these yet, um, but I can get pictures to you or you can look them up. 01:19:59.840 --> 01:20:00.720 Um okay. 01:20:01.359 --> 01:20:08.000 So I have Rafe Spahl, who we just talked about um as Thomas Andrews as my backup. 01:20:08.079 --> 01:20:24.479 I thought he would be a really good Andrew, basically for all of the reasons I gave for Andrew Garfield and all of the reasons you gave for Human, but I just think like there's a beautiful combination of like endearing and comedic, but also seriousness. 01:20:24.720 --> 01:20:27.520 Um, so he was definitely in contention for me. 01:20:27.680 --> 01:20:33.359 Um, so uh my backup for Rose was an actress named Emma Myers. 01:20:33.840 --> 01:20:41.520 Um, she is on the the show Wednesday on Netflix, is where she got her start a few years ago. 01:20:41.840 --> 01:20:49.920 And I didn't want to pair her with the actor who also appears on Wednesday because it would look like I was just making a Wednesday pairing. 01:20:50.079 --> 01:20:54.079 Uh, but I do think that she would be

incredible. 01:20:54.319 --> 01:21:03.279 Um, she's got like the ethereal sort of like face um that would look really great in period makeup and costuming. 01:21:03.439 --> 01:21:04.960 She's a really great actress. 01:21:05.039 --> 01:21:10.880 She's got this like young kind of innocence, but she also is capable of playing like really feisty. 01:21:10.960 --> 01:21:15.920 Um, so she was a very close um second for me on Rose. 01:21:16.239 --> 01:21:24.159 Um I wanted to shoehorn Hudson Williams in here somewhere so desperately. 01:21:24.319 --> 01:21:27.199 Um, he is the other actor from He Did Rivalry. 01:21:27.439 --> 01:21:32.560 He is an uh Canadian actor who is he's half Korean, he's half white, half Korean. 01:21:32.800 --> 01:21:48.079 Um I I considered making him Jack and saying, like, what a what a fun and unique way to interpret Jack that, like, maybe one of the reasons everyone looks down their noses at him is he also is an immigrant in the sense that he is biracial. 01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:55.279 Um and at that time period, that would have marked him unfortunately horribly in that um setting. 01:21:55.439 --> 01:21:58.880 Um, so I thought that would be an interesting way to also do it. 01:21:59.119 --> 01:22:02.880 But I gotta be honest, the man is too jacked to be Jack. 01:22:03.039 --> 01:22:04.399 I mean, you just Google him. 01:22:04.720 --> 01:22:07.680 He's too muscular, looks great. 01:22:07.840 --> 01:22:10.960 Um, he's too jacked, that doesn't fit. 01:22:11.199 --> 01:22:14.560 And um, he's probably like a little too old. 01:22:14.640 --> 01:22:20.479 Um, I think he's on the upper end of a little too old for Jack because Jack needs to be like young manic pixie dream boy. 01:22:20.640 --> 01:22:25.600 Um, so I really wanted to shoe her in, but I just couldn't make it work for anything. 01:22:25.680 --> 01:22:27.600 So shout out to Hudson. 01:22:27.760 --> 01:22:32.720 Um, an interesting one I thought about is the comedian Bob Mortimer for Lovejoy. 01:22:32.880 --> 01:22:38.880 Um, I know Bob Mortimer from watching work, we do our VPN and watch all the British comedy shows. 01:22:38.960 --> 01:22:44.399 So we watch like A Last One Laughing and we watch Taskmaster and all this, and he's always on those. 01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:46.239 Um, my kids love him. 01:22:46.399 --> 01:23:00.239 Uh, I just thought it would be it would be an interesting choice to go like a comedian for Lovejoy, who's trying to not necessarily break into dramatic acting, but just kind of doing a bit as a dramatic actor. 01:23:00.319 --> 01:23:03.760 I thought that might be like an interesting way to go with it. 01:23:04.000 --> 01:23:08.159 Um I want to save the other one for last. 01:23:08.399 --> 01:23:13.199 Um, Olivia, Olivia Coleman as Molly Brown. 01:23:13.439 --> 01:23:15.920 Um, I just fucking love Olivia Coleman. 01:23:16.239 --> 01:23:30.479 I mean nobody can play scattered and like, what is going on better than Olivia Coleman, but she also, you know, can play demure and ice queen, and she just can do everything. 01:23:30.720 --> 01:23:31.920 She's also hilarious. 01:23:32.079 --> 01:23:35.039 And we talked about with Molly, like it has to be someone who's funny. 01:23:35.199 --> 01:23:36.800 Olivia Coleman's hilarious. 01:23:36.960 --> 01:23:41.600 She's just again one of the greatest actresses of of her generation. 01:23:42.000 --> 01:23:46.239 Um, The Favorite is one of my great of my favorite movies of all time. 01:23:46.399 --> 01:23:53.840 Um, anyone who likes period pieces and has never watched The Favor, do yourself a favor and go watch it tonight. 01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:55.199 It's incredible. 01:23:55.359 --> 01:23:58.399 Um, so anyway, she's my backup for Molly. 01:23:58.560 --> 01:24:03.680 And then my last one we can talk about and then segue into your honorable mentions. 01:24:04.079 --> 01:24:09.279 I have an honorable mention of Kate Winslett as Ruth Jewett Bucator. 01:24:09.359 --> 01:24:12.079 Now, I didn't, I didn't go with it. 01:24:12.159 --> 01:24:18.239 It felt too stunt casty, but I didn't because I also cast her daughter as Rose. 01:24:18.479 --> 01:24:22.720 But that would be a very particular way to go with this recast. 01:24:23.119 --> 01:24:25.840 I think there's a world in which it totally works. 01:24:26.000 --> 01:24:29.359 She's exactly the right age, right look now. 01:24:29.600 --> 01:24:34.319 Obviously, they are mother and daughter, so it would look exactly right. 01:24:34.479 --> 01:24:36.640 Um, but I didn't do it. 01:24:36.960 --> 01:24:38.960 I just I couldn't pull the trigger on it. 01:24:39.119 --> 01:24:42.640 Um, but we found out that we had both done that. 01:24:43.279 --> 01:24:43.439 Yeah. 01:24:43.680 --> 01:24:44.479 We had both done that. 01:24:44.560 --> 01:24:47.680 And also when I had a discussion with my dad, he also suggested it. 01:24:48.079 --> 01:24:54.960 So three people suggested this as we all for some reason were on the same page uh with that one. 01:24:55.680 --> 01:24:57.680 Um yeah, that's funny. 01:24:57.920 --> 01:25:01.920 Okay, so I do you want to see my Fabrizio? 01:25:02.000 --> 01:25:02.960 Because you mentioned him earlier. 01:25:03.279 --> 01:25:03.920 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. 01:25:04.079 --> 01:25:05.279 I just forgot to die. 01:25:05.680 --> 01:25:09.760 I was having trouble with Fabrizio and I picked um where is this actor? 01:25:09.840 --> 01:25:10.960 I'll show you who I picked. 01:25:11.760 --> 01:25:13.920 Oh no, my thread's gone. 01:25:14.560 --> 01:25:18.319 Where maybe it's in my no, I'm not gonna be able to find it. 01:25:18.479 --> 01:25:21.439 Um it was just forget it then. 01:25:21.520 --> 01:25:29.680 It was an actor who was like came out of Cannes this year or can this year and had like made a splash in a couple of Italian movies, and people think he's gonna try. 01:25:30.000 --> 01:25:32.399 It just was like a me looking for an Italian actor. 01:25:32.560 --> 01:25:34.960 My thing was see, I I

didn't do that. 01:25:35.119 --> 01:25:40.159 I didn't choose an Italian actor because I thought if we're gonna go Hollywood, then we'd go Hollywood. 01:25:40.239 --> 01:25:50.800 And I was trying to be like very woke and very aware of like if it was an Italian character in 2026, studios would demand that it's 100%. 01:25:51.199 --> 01:25:53.119 You are not gonna like who I've chosen. 01:25:53.439 --> 01:25:56.479 So I I went with Timothy Sharman. 01:25:57.199 --> 01:25:58.239 Oh my god. 01:25:59.680 --> 01:26:02.880 I think there's something of Fabrizio in Timothy. 01:26:02.960 --> 01:26:04.000 I think you know what? 01:26:04.079 --> 01:26:05.600 I honestly will give you that. 01:26:05.680 --> 01:26:08.880 I listen, I Pablo knows I've been on a journey with Tim. 01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:11.279 I have met Timothy Chalamet, you know this. 01:26:11.520 --> 01:26:13.760 Um I I could see it. 01:26:13.920 --> 01:26:14.640 I could see it. 01:26:14.720 --> 01:26:16.880 I he's had such a wacky career. 01:26:16.960 --> 01:26:19.359 Like I his choices are very interesting. 01:26:19.520 --> 01:26:27.760 Like I was a big put him at the front of Titanic doing the I can see the Statue of Liberty already, dude. 01:26:27.920 --> 01:26:32.159 You know, it's just I I there's I could see it, you know. 01:26:33.039 --> 01:26:34.479 I mean, I'm not necessarily his biggest fan. 01:26:34.560 --> 01:26:42.239 I I mean I'm I'm actually I don't I don't think I've seen that many things of him in, but I just there's something of there's a bit of uh bit of fab in there. 01:26:42.560 --> 01:26:56.159 Um I actually think that's a kind of a genius move because I I think Timothy Chalamet, everybody wants to, everybody immediately wanted him to be like a leading man, swoon over, but he's weird. 01:26:56.319 --> 01:27:03.920 He's we you know, like I think if he's going to have a successful career, he would more embrace the like weird, kind of quirky stuff. 01:27:04.159 --> 01:27:07.680 So um I actually can really see it in a little hat. 01:27:07.840 --> 01:27:09.359 What if he was in a little hat? 01:27:09.520 --> 01:27:10.399 This is what I mean. 01:27:10.560 --> 01:27:10.960 I know. 01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:12.800 Listen, look at these, look at this, right? 01:27:12.880 --> 01:27:14.720 Look at that, and then look at this. 01:27:14.880 --> 01:27:17.279 I just think I'm sorry, there's something there. 01:27:18.000 --> 01:27:18.560 There is. 01:27:19.520 --> 01:27:22.159 Yeah, it's definitely he needs the little hat. 01:27:22.319 --> 01:27:22.720 Yeah. 01:27:23.920 --> 01:27:27.439 So my next one was so I was trying to also show you horn. 01:27:27.600 --> 01:27:33.199 And listen, here's here's the truth about why what is about to happen is about to happen. 01:27:33.359 --> 01:27:45.439 Um, and that is that if I'm casting a film, um, especially Titanic, there is absolutely no way that Billy Piper is not involved. 01:27:45.600 --> 01:27:49.439 If I have to invent a role for this woman or change an existing one, she has to be in it. 01:27:49.520 --> 01:27:53.119 I mean, I haven't spoken to her about it yet, but that's a cross the bridge when we get there kind of thing. 01:27:53.359 --> 01:27:59.760 So I did go with Billy Piper as Rose because actually, well, first of all, Billy Piper is the greatest. 01:28:00.159 --> 01:28:00.319 Actor. 01:28:00.479 --> 01:28:02.880 I mean, she can do literally anything. 01:28:03.920 --> 01:28:08.560 But I think if we just up the age of Rose a wee bit, put Billy Piper in as Rose. 01:28:08.640 --> 01:28:13.439 I mean, not only did she play Rose in another show, but Billy Piper could pull it off. 01:28:13.520 --> 01:28:15.840 She can do any acting on the planet. 01:28:16.560 --> 01:28:21.520 And I just think a film, Titanic, with Billy Piper as Rose. 01:28:21.680 --> 01:28:26.720 And therefore I had to also raise the age of Jack, which means you get Jeremy Irvine. 01:28:26.880 --> 01:28:27.279 Oh my. 01:28:28.159 --> 01:28:28.880 I'm sorry. 01:28:29.039 --> 01:28:34.399 Tell me right now, you are not watching a recast of Titanic with Jeremy Irvine and Billy Piper as the leads. 01:28:34.479 --> 01:28:35.359 I'm sorry, that film is a lot of people. 01:28:35.680 --> 01:28:39.279 I like I like I like Jeremy. 01:28:39.359 --> 01:28:40.239 I really do. 01:28:40.399 --> 01:28:51.199 It's just that he ended up in this horrible prequel to Outlander called Blood of My Blood, which is the most like just they're trying to grab money off this thing by beating a dead horse. 01:28:51.279 --> 01:28:53.119 It's the worst prequel I've ever seen in my life. 01:28:53.199 --> 01:28:55.199 It like ruined Outlander for me. 01:28:55.279 --> 01:28:56.880 So I'm just mad at it. 01:28:57.199 --> 01:29:00.000 But I do, he's beautiful and he's a great actor. 01:29:00.640 --> 01:29:04.159 But I just think that the ages are too old. 01:29:04.319 --> 01:29:07.840 Listen, you know, listen, we are we are upping the age of this film. 01:29:08.239 --> 01:29:09.840 I know, but then how does the story work? 01:29:09.920 --> 01:29:11.039 Because listen, I don't care. 01:29:11.600 --> 01:29:13.920 Listen, as a woman, let me tell you something. 01:29:14.079 --> 01:29:24.399 If I meet a vagabond who is almost 40 years old and doesn't have$10, I don't, I'm not interested. 01:29:24.479 --> 01:29:25.039 You know what I mean? 01:29:25.520 --> 01:29:26.880 Listen, I hear you, I hear you. 01:29:26.960 --> 01:29:27.760 It's a different film. 01:29:27.920 --> 01:29:35.359 It's a different film, but I'm telling you now, as the casting director of Titanic, there is no way that Betty Piper is not in this film. 01:29:35.439 --> 01:29:36.319 She is too good not to be. 01:29:36.560 --> 01:29:37.840 Well, then she needs to be Ruth. 01:29:37.920 --> 01:29:38.800 She needs to be Ruth. 01:29:39.039 --> 01:29:47.119 Well, see, I was going to make her Ruth, but then I was I was concerned that she might be angry at me if I put if I if I casted her as Ruth,

so I had to put her as Rose. 01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:49.439 Because how old is she? 01:29:49.600 --> 01:29:53.279 She is Pablo, she's 43 years old. 01:29:53.359 --> 01:29:54.880 She's yeah, but look at her. 01:29:54.960 --> 01:29:56.880 She can put she can play 17. 01:29:57.600 --> 01:30:02.800 Listen, this this is absolutely there is no objectivity here. 01:30:02.960 --> 01:30:06.399 This is absolutely just blind, blind loyalty. 01:30:06.560 --> 01:30:07.520 She would be Ruth. 01:30:08.479 --> 01:30:09.039 She would be Ruth. 01:30:09.439 --> 01:30:11.279 She can be whatever the fuck she wants to be, actually. 01:30:11.439 --> 01:30:12.479 She listen, she listened. 01:30:12.880 --> 01:30:14.399 I would go to her like, who do you want to be? 01:30:14.479 --> 01:30:15.520 I'll just make you a role. 01:30:15.600 --> 01:30:17.039 You could be whatever you want. 01:30:17.279 --> 01:30:18.319 We'll make a captain. 01:30:18.800 --> 01:30:21.359 You know how I mean, listen, I know how you feel. 01:30:21.520 --> 01:30:31.439 Like, if I if I wanted to do my real fan edit of this movie, I would just do male male and put the two heated rivalry guys and like on the bow of the ship, and we're done. 01:30:31.520 --> 01:30:32.560 Let's shoot some sexy. 01:30:33.039 --> 01:30:33.600 I'm sorry. 01:30:33.760 --> 01:30:37.279 Billy Piper and Jeremy Irving in the flying scene. 01:30:38.399 --> 01:30:42.560 I mean, I just the ages don't work for that story for me. 01:30:43.039 --> 01:30:43.279 Right. 01:30:43.359 --> 01:30:46.479 This this guy, this is my last episode. 01:30:47.359 --> 01:30:49.039 Friendship is over. 01:30:50.399 --> 01:30:51.279 That's okay. 01:30:51.359 --> 01:30:53.840 No, so it's the final straw. 01:30:54.079 --> 01:30:55.359 Yeah, that's it. 01:30:55.520 --> 01:30:57.520 Um also actually look at this. 01:30:57.600 --> 01:31:02.880 I put this in to remind you, Buddy Piper did also, you know, when she was a pop star, she did a whole thing with the city. 01:31:03.039 --> 01:31:07.680 I know because you were at my house and showed this to my family. 01:31:08.000 --> 01:31:08.720 I know this. 01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:09.039 Okay. 01:31:09.359 --> 01:31:17.760 My other, my other Ruth, my other Ruth, this is gonna mean nothing to you, LA, and this is gonna mean nothing to most of your um to your listeners, actually. 01:31:18.000 --> 01:31:20.880 But to British people, this is gonna mean everything. 01:31:21.119 --> 01:31:24.560 Well, do you know that almost 40% of my listeners are British? 01:31:24.960 --> 01:31:25.600 Oh, okay. 01:31:25.680 --> 01:31:31.600 Well, in that case, in that case, guys, buckle up to who I actually I'm serious. 01:31:31.840 --> 01:31:40.560 Who better to play Ruth than Linda from East Enders? 01:31:40.800 --> 01:31:41.039 Listen. 01:31:41.359 --> 01:31:42.319 Oh my gosh. 01:31:42.560 --> 01:31:48.479 Linda from East Enders, she is, she is chaotic. 01:31:48.800 --> 01:31:49.840 She can scream. 01:31:50.239 --> 01:31:51.920 This is gonna get people commenting. 01:31:52.079 --> 01:31:54.079 People are gonna lose their mind over this one. 01:31:54.800 --> 01:31:56.479 Listen, I'm telling you now. 01:31:56.720 --> 01:32:05.520 I'm telling you that Linda from East Enders, you get a you get someone who is, she's been serving drinks to people in the pub. 01:32:05.680 --> 01:32:10.399 She has been through it all, she has seen some stuff in that pub in the Queen Beck. 01:32:10.560 --> 01:32:17.119 Um, and she is the only person who could take that Queen Beck onto the boat deck of Titanic and deliver a. 01:32:17.359 --> 01:32:33.359 I mean, listen, it is gonna be a different type of of Ruth, but this is this is peak, this is peak British acting from East Enders, or pre pre peak British soap acting into Titanic. 01:32:33.520 --> 01:32:37.920 I just think the corset scene, Linda from East Enders doing the corset scene. 01:32:38.079 --> 01:32:44.880 Oh my god, this is it transforms this film, and I think honestly, it's a genius pick. 01:32:45.920 --> 01:32:47.520 I'm not, I won't argue with you. 01:32:47.600 --> 01:32:51.359 It's a different vibe, but it's it's a very different vibe, but it could be amazing. 01:32:51.439 --> 01:32:52.960 Yeah, I had Nelson McCarthy as well. 01:32:53.199 --> 01:32:54.800 Nelson McCarthy is my name, yeah. 01:32:55.119 --> 01:33:00.000 And then I really wanted to find a role for Tiger Drew Honey because he is a brilliant actor. 01:33:00.239 --> 01:33:05.279 I was thinking maybe a bit Jack, but he's a little bit too old to be Jack, but you may remember, of course, he was in Titanic Things tonight. 01:33:05.439 --> 01:33:08.319 So well, number one, I can't say two things. 01:33:08.560 --> 01:33:11.279 One, he has the best name ever. 01:33:11.600 --> 01:33:15.119 Like, there's no better name than that, Tiger Drew Honey. 01:33:15.279 --> 01:33:16.960 Um, two, I think, you know what? 01:33:17.119 --> 01:33:18.880 Let's cast him in someone we didn't do. 01:33:18.960 --> 01:33:20.239 I know who he is. 01:33:20.880 --> 01:33:22.000 I know who he is. 01:33:22.079 --> 01:33:23.600 He's Officer Lowe. 01:33:24.239 --> 01:33:32.800 You know, when you said about adding Murdoch, I nearly asked if we could swap to Lowe so I could so I could do that. 01:33:32.960 --> 01:33:35.600 We should have just added we should have done lie, taller, and low. 01:33:35.680 --> 01:33:49.359 We should have added those in, but I just didn't it when it got when it gets to too many, then it's like I wanted the episode to be the amount of time people could sit down and listen in one listen and you know um yeah, but I think he's our our officer low. 01:33:49.760 --> 01:34:00.880 So I have one final addition, which is that I am also, even though this is sacrilege, because listen, I think Celine Dion is the most extraordinary singer. 01:34:01.039 --> 01:34:09.920 However, if I am casting this film, I'm also choosing a singer, and there is no way that the singer is not Diana Vickers because I

just I knew it. 01:34:11.680 --> 01:34:12.319 I knew it. 01:34:12.479 --> 01:34:15.600 I told John I was like, he's picking Diana Vickers. 01:34:15.760 --> 01:34:19.680 I actually didn't pick one because I knew you would pick Diana Vickers and I wouldn't want to argue with you. 01:34:20.000 --> 01:34:20.880 It is non-negotiable. 01:34:21.520 --> 01:34:24.640 But it and honestly, I couldn't think of anyone better. 01:34:24.880 --> 01:34:32.319 Um, you know, I think like the obvious choice for who would do it now, who would ask to be do it now would probably be Adele. 01:34:32.560 --> 01:34:34.399 Um, but I think that's so boring. 01:34:34.720 --> 01:34:34.960 Yeah. 01:34:35.279 --> 01:34:39.039 And I think, I mean, people are gonna write, but I think Adele's music is boring. 01:34:39.119 --> 01:34:40.960 Um yeah, people are gonna write over that. 01:34:41.119 --> 01:34:46.960 I think that I I choose Diana Vickers, A, because she's my all-time favorite singer. 01:34:47.039 --> 01:34:49.520 There's absolutely, again, no objectivity here. 01:34:49.600 --> 01:34:54.000 I think she's the greatest singer, but I also think she brings something completely different to Celine Dion. 01:34:54.159 --> 01:34:56.640 Celine Dion is like a big powerhouse singer. 01:34:56.880 --> 01:35:03.760 Celine Dion and uh Diana Vickers has this like very unique, kind of husky, kind of kind of scratchy voice. 01:35:03.840 --> 01:35:06.239 It's very, very unique, very, very different. 01:35:06.399 --> 01:35:09.279 Um, back in the day, she used to be called the kind of marmite singer. 01:35:09.359 --> 01:35:11.119 And I just think, I mean, I love her. 01:35:11.199 --> 01:35:12.000 I love everything about her. 01:35:12.079 --> 01:35:13.600 I think she's just the most fabulous singer. 01:35:13.680 --> 01:35:15.199 Um, she's just amazing. 01:35:15.520 --> 01:35:23.359 But I think, I mean, I have also seen her cover It's All Coming Back to Me Now, and it was brilliant, absolutely brilliant. 01:35:23.600 --> 01:35:33.600 And this is a public lobby for her to cover My Heart Will Go On, so I can be proven right that in my recasting of Titanic, Diana Vickers is the Celine Dion. 01:35:34.079 --> 01:35:36.479 Well, I won't have another word said about it. 01:35:36.880 --> 01:35:45.760 No, I I won't argue with this, but I will get a plug-in for my dream scenario, which I don't think would happen, but you know it's coming. 01:35:45.920 --> 01:35:52.000 I, you know, and it might be because like if this were truly remade, it would be the biggest thing in the world. 01:35:52.239 --> 01:36:00.079 But I would love for Taylor Swift to do it because I think she could, she's capable of like putting a spin on something in her very unique way. 01:36:00.159 --> 01:36:03.199 And she, you know, some people I'm in love. 01:36:03.760 --> 01:36:06.079 Taylor Swift is very divisive these days. 01:36:06.159 --> 01:36:06.560 I get it. 01:36:06.720 --> 01:36:08.720 I am firmly in the Taylor Swift camp. 01:36:08.800 --> 01:36:10.640 I love her, we'll always love her. 01:36:10.880 --> 01:36:13.920 Um, and I would love to see her do that. 01:36:14.000 --> 01:36:15.760 I think it would be really, really cool. 01:36:16.399 --> 01:36:17.680 I think you have to do something. 01:36:17.760 --> 01:36:20.079 I think like you can't replace Celine Dion. 01:36:20.319 --> 01:36:46.000 I think that's why like something like Taylor Swift, something like Diana Vickers, they're they're you do you remember when um well you might not remember this because Simon Carl, I know he's like more of a British person, although he is known in America, is that when James Cameron was doing the first Avatar, they um they cast Leona Lewis to do the the the theme song I see you, and everyone was like, oh my god, it's like the new Celine Dion, the new My Hot Will Go One. 01:36:46.079 --> 01:36:47.520 And I was like, no, it's really, really not. 01:36:47.600 --> 01:36:51.439 There is only one Celine Dion because she has that voice and only she has that voice. 01:36:51.520 --> 01:37:03.119 And Leon Lewis is a great singer, by the way, but I think it's they I think they tried to replicate the Celine Dion My Hot Will Go On moment with the Leon Lewis Nice CU and Avatar, and it just didn't quite work. 01:37:03.199 --> 01:37:08.479 And I think that's why if we're recasting here, there is no way I'm trying to replicate Celine Dion because it just can't happen. 01:37:08.640 --> 01:37:09.840 I don't think Taylor Swift is sweet. 01:37:10.479 --> 01:37:11.439 I don't think Diana Vickers is sweet. 01:37:11.680 --> 01:37:12.880 No, and they're so different. 01:37:13.439 --> 01:37:14.319 They're so different. 01:37:14.479 --> 01:37:33.439 I just think that if you were to pick someone to sing it in 2026 and you wanted the virality, you wanted it to be big, you wanted, you know, it's like she just did the Taylor just did the theme song from the latest Toy Story movie, and people like lost their shit and it became like number one on all platforms, like and it's a song from a movie, you know. 01:37:33.520 --> 01:37:37.520 So I think like if you want that to happen, you in 2026 you get Taylor. 01:37:37.600 --> 01:37:39.279 Like, I think that could happen. 01:37:39.680 --> 01:37:49.439 Um well, I I am very intrigued by all of this, and I would love to. 01:37:50.159 --> 01:37:51.039 Oh, you know what? 01:37:51.119 --> 01:37:52.720 There's one more honorable mention. 01:37:52.800 --> 01:37:54.960 I had forgotten to written to write it on there. 01:37:55.279 --> 01:37:57.279 She is too old now. 01:37:57.439 --> 01:37:58.800 She's by no means old. 01:37:58.960 --> 01:38:02.079 She's maybe 30, um, maybe 31. 01:38:02.479 --> 01:38:09.520 But a few years ago when she was younger, and I saw her in Little Women and a few other things. 01:38:09.680 --> 01:38:14.319 I turned to John and I said, you know, Florence Pugh could be Rose. 01:38:14.479 --> 01:38:18.399 I mean, she embodies, she's like the Kate Winslot

of her day. 01:38:18.560 --> 01:38:20.560 She's done so many amazing roles. 01:38:20.640 --> 01:38:22.079 She's an incredible actress. 01:38:22.319 --> 01:38:25.840 Obviously, she was nominated for an Oscar at a very young age for Little Women. 01:38:26.000 --> 01:38:29.119 Um, she has that very ethereal round face. 01:38:29.359 --> 01:38:31.359 Like she just the open eyes. 01:38:31.600 --> 01:38:38.079 Um, I think if we were doing this five years ago, she would have been my number one choice for Rose, hands down. 01:38:38.239 --> 01:38:42.079 But I think she's kind of aged out of the part, which is why it didn't include her. 01:38:42.239 --> 01:38:46.880 And she looks amazing in period costume, as we've seen by a lot of roles she's already done. 01:38:46.960 --> 01:38:48.720 So, and I I love her, I adore her. 01:38:48.800 --> 01:38:57.520 So she's definitely an if we were going to cast Rose as more like into her 20s, would be her. 01:38:57.680 --> 01:39:00.960 But I just I stand by Jack and Rose have to be super young. 01:39:01.039 --> 01:39:02.479 This is what this is. 01:39:03.600 --> 01:39:06.079 Um definitely Piper. 01:39:07.039 --> 01:39:07.600 Sure. 01:39:09.279 --> 01:39:10.239 Um, all right. 01:39:10.319 --> 01:39:33.279 Well, in the in the in the hopes of keeping this to an amount of time that people can listen to in one listen, we will wrap up, but we will end by saying that we truly, truly hope people will um give us their lists and share with us what they think we got right, what we think, what they think we got wrong, um, who their top picks are. 01:39:33.520 --> 01:39:34.960 I really, truly would love it. 01:39:35.039 --> 01:39:40.960 So feel free to send those along on Instagram um or via email if you want to go sort of the old-fashioned way. 01:39:41.039 --> 01:39:50.000 Um, but the next episode that I do, maybe I'll save some space um for going over people's lists, or maybe that might be a Patreon thing that I do that might be fun. 01:39:50.079 --> 01:39:54.720 So, so send those along and share them on Instagram and tag the podcast. 01:39:54.880 --> 01:39:58.800 Um, but yeah, this has been this has been really fucking fun. 01:39:59.600 --> 01:40:01.119 This has been what we needed. 01:40:02.000 --> 01:40:03.359 This has been what we needed. 01:40:03.840 --> 01:40:19.279 For many, for many um undisclosed reasons, Pablo and I needed uh we both needed a um just throw all, throw everything to the wind and just indulge our completely escapist uh brain. 01:40:19.520 --> 01:40:37.199 We needed it, it was here for us, and we hope that you find this episode on a day where the world might be a little too much for you and this pops into your feed and you're like, holy shit, yes, this is a fun exercise, and I'm gonna go disappear into this for a couple of hours. 01:40:37.359 --> 01:40:45.920 Like, I hope that provides the service to some of you guys as well, um, especially headed into, you know, like I don't know. 01:40:46.000 --> 01:40:52.800 I mean, I I just feel like the world is the world can canon is very dark at spots right now. 01:40:52.880 --> 01:40:57.039 And I've always wanted this podcast to be something people can sort of, you know. 01:40:57.119 --> 01:41:05.279 But I think a lot of a lot of longtime listeners, I know from talking to you guys and interacting with you guys for years now, you're gonna, I think you're gonna love this. 01:41:05.439 --> 01:41:08.960 And this is just in the spirit of fun and putting a smile on your face. 01:41:09.039 --> 01:41:10.319 So I hope it's done that. 01:41:10.640 --> 01:41:15.039 And we will see you, Pablo, inevitably back soon. 01:41:15.199 --> 01:41:19.359 It's it's always well you redeemed yourself by bringing in Andre Garfield. 01:41:19.439 --> 01:41:22.399 There was a moment where I was considering not coming back, but Andre Garfield played the right. 01:41:22.800 --> 01:41:23.039 I knew. 01:41:23.119 --> 01:41:25.760 I threw, I threw him in there to ensure that. 01:41:47.119 --> 01:41:53.279 In the meantime, I'm gonna go down some suggestions I already got in from Instagram for Cal and for Thomas Andrews. 01:41:53.439 --> 01:42:03.600 You know, what's crazy is that I the other day I was um sitting around just working on the clip art on Canva for the Cal, the little cow um thing on Instagram. 01:42:04.159 --> 01:42:07.760 And uh my husband John was like, Who's Kaladin Hockley? 01:42:08.000 --> 01:42:14.159 Even though it was a picture of Billy Zane, all you know, albeit with his eyes blacked out, and then the words Kaladin Hawkley. 01:42:14.239 --> 01:42:15.600 And I was like, What do you mean? 01:42:15.840 --> 01:42:16.800 Who else could it be? 01:42:16.880 --> 01:42:21.439 And he's like, I thought it was Calvin Hockley, and his his brain could not comprehend Kaladin Hockley. 01:42:21.600 --> 01:42:23.680 And I'm like, no, that's that's canon. 01:42:23.840 --> 01:42:25.680 Let me blow your mind, Kaladin Hockley. 01:42:25.840 --> 01:42:26.159 Okay. 01:42:26.319 --> 01:42:31.119 Uh, first off, longtime listener of the podcast and longtime supporter, shout out Kelsey. 01:42:31.199 --> 01:42:35.359 Uh, she suggested Noah Wiley or Arnold Vosloo, who I had to look up. 01:42:35.439 --> 01:42:39.039 He's from The Mummy, a little bit older, but definitely like Billy Zane vibes. 01:42:39.119 --> 01:42:45.439 Um, Angie, also longtime uh supporter of the podcast and just awesome human. 01:42:45.600 --> 01:42:52.800 Um, so like honestly, like it's so cool how many of you I've gotten to know over the years, um, which is why Instagram is great. 01:42:52.880 --> 01:43:00.720 I think like Instagram has created problems in our society, but there's also a lot of great that comes out of it too, um, for something like my podcast. 01:43:00.880 --> 01:43:01.039 Okay. 01:43:01.199 --> 01:43:04.640 So Angie suggests um Chris Pratt. 01:43:05.279 --> 01:43:16.960 Um, let's see, that would be I it's almost like I could see it because he's so

handsome and he's a little bit older now, but it would have to be him with kind of a villain turn. 01:43:17.039 --> 01:43:21.279 But you know, it's fun to see people who don't typically do villain roles do villain roles. 01:43:21.520 --> 01:43:27.119 All right, we have two votes for Robert Pattinson, one from Matt and one from Molly. 01:43:27.279 --> 01:43:28.720 And I'm like, I can see it. 01:43:28.880 --> 01:43:32.319 I mean, his career in a good way is just all over the fucking place. 01:43:32.399 --> 01:43:33.439 And I appreciate that. 01:43:33.600 --> 01:43:35.039 He's doing really interesting stuff. 01:43:35.199 --> 01:43:40.399 He's about to be um, his next film is like he's playing Chris Hansen from How to Catch a Predator. 01:43:40.640 --> 01:43:41.119 Wild. 01:43:41.279 --> 01:43:42.479 Um, let's see. 01:43:42.640 --> 01:43:55.119 Um, if you were someone whose handle on Instagram does not include your name, uh, and or I was just wasn't familiar with you in a way to sort of figure out what your first name might be from your profile, I didn't want to assume. 01:43:55.279 --> 01:43:57.920 And I also just didn't want to start saying people's profile names. 01:43:58.079 --> 01:44:00.880 So um for some of these, I'm just gonna say the suggestion. 01:44:01.039 --> 01:44:06.079 Um, someone suggested Glenn Powell and said, considering he was a fictional character, um, unlike Mr. 01:44:06.159 --> 01:44:08.399 Andrews, I don't feel the need to stay in a box with it. 01:44:08.479 --> 01:44:09.520 That's a good point. 01:44:09.760 --> 01:44:17.600 Um Lauren said Austin Butler, maybe not the most obvious choice, but right age, handsome, can play a villain. 01:44:18.079 --> 01:44:18.880 Good point. 01:44:19.039 --> 01:44:21.439 Uh, someone suggested Finn Whitrock. 01:44:21.520 --> 01:44:22.880 I'm not sure I know who that is. 01:44:23.039 --> 01:44:25.520 And someone suggested Zach Efron. 01:44:25.680 --> 01:44:33.439 So that's a, I mean, honestly, it's fun because you can make a case for pretty much anybody if you have a vision. 01:44:33.600 --> 01:44:33.920 Okay. 01:44:34.079 --> 01:44:37.920 Uh, Thomas Andrews, here's some suggestions that we had come in. 01:44:38.079 --> 01:44:39.840 Kelsey suggested Colin Farrell. 01:44:40.239 --> 01:44:43.359 Angie blew my mind with this one, suggested Jude Law. 01:44:43.520 --> 01:44:49.520 And I thought, yes, like this would be a very sweet and endearing turn for Jude Law. 01:44:49.600 --> 01:44:50.399 I love Jude Law. 01:44:50.479 --> 01:44:53.840 Angie and I recorded a whole episode about the holiday a couple of years ago. 01:44:53.920 --> 01:44:56.319 Uh oh, Kelsey also suggested Pierce Brosnan. 01:44:57.279 --> 01:44:57.680 Let's see. 01:44:57.840 --> 01:45:03.119 Jen, also longtime supporter of the podcast, Hey Jen, um, suggested Tom Hanks. 01:45:03.199 --> 01:45:06.880 And I said, you know, like any film with Tom Hanks in it is better. 01:45:07.039 --> 01:45:09.359 So I mean, can't argue with that. 01:45:09.600 --> 01:45:17.279 Um, Lauren said, um, thinking of a Northern Irish actor first came that that came to mind was Jamie Dornen. 01:45:17.680 --> 01:45:20.319 Um, and she references the film Belfast. 01:45:20.640 --> 01:45:24.960 And we ended up having a little mini conversation about that on Instagram because the film Belfast is amazing. 01:45:25.039 --> 01:45:26.960 Jamie Dornen is incredible in it. 01:45:27.199 --> 01:45:31.359 And this is probably my top um pick from these suggestions. 01:45:31.520 --> 01:45:33.119 Jamie Dornen is incredible. 01:45:33.199 --> 01:45:41.039 And Lauren, I may have said your suggestion, I may have said your name for your suggestion for Cal is Laura, and that might have been a mistake, but it's Lauren. 01:45:41.279 --> 01:45:43.840 So thank you, Lauren, for all of your interaction on Instagram. 01:45:44.319 --> 01:45:46.560 That's a really great suggestion. 01:45:46.720 --> 01:45:48.640 Someone suggested Domel Gleason. 01:45:48.880 --> 01:45:55.840 Uh someone suggested James Pancott, aka um host of the Witness Titanic podcast, who's been on this podcast. 01:45:56.000 --> 01:45:57.600 I mean, uh, James, do you act? 01:45:57.760 --> 01:45:58.640 I'm I could see it. 01:45:58.800 --> 01:45:59.439 You have the look. 01:45:59.600 --> 01:46:00.800 Let's let's roll with it. 01:46:01.039 --> 01:46:03.920 Um, someone suggested Andrew Scott, great suggestion. 01:46:04.000 --> 01:46:08.399 Someone suggested Orlando Bloom, someone suggested Keanu Reeves. 01:46:08.560 --> 01:46:14.960 So it's some a lot of like really great conversations um that popped up because of this on Instagram. 01:46:15.119 --> 01:46:28.159 So again, you know, if you are someone who does Instagram and you haven't joined over there, um, it's where I get a lot of great ideas and it's where I've interacted with a lot of longtime listeners and built even, you know, like friendships from there. 01:46:28.399 --> 01:46:30.560 So uh pop on over if you haven't. 01:46:30.640 --> 01:46:41.680 And in the meantime, you could also, you can also email your list if you want to just send your recast list, and I will record some more uh to add whenever I do another episode. 01:46:42.479 --> 01:46:43.119 All right. 01:46:44.079 --> 01:46:45.279 Till next time. 01:46:45.439 --> 01:46:46.560 I hope you enjoyed this. 01:46:46.720 --> 01:46:48.000 This is so fun to do. 01:46:48.319 --> 01:46:49.359 Bye bye.