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It's 317 in the morning.
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You're asleep when your phone suddenly begins vibrating on the nightstand.
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Then the emergency alert sounds.
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You reach over, still half asleep, and look at the screen.
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National emergency.
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Remain indoors.
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Await further instructions.
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There's no explanation.
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So you turn on the television.
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Every major news network is reporting the same extraordinary story.
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Unidentified objects have entered American airspace.
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Military aircraft have been scrambled.
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Commercial flights are being grounded.
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And officials are warning that the objects may not be of human origin.
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So you walk toward the window.
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The street outside is deserted.
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In the distance, you can hear sirens.
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Then you notice something above the horizon.
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A massive, dark shape, completely motionless.
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No blinking lights, no visible engines.
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Nothing about it resembles an aircraft.
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You stare at it, trying to understand what you're seeing, and then suddenly it's gone.
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By sunrise, the world is in chaos.
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People are leaving work.
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Parents, they're rushing to bring their children home.
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Grocery stores are being emptied.
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Every news network is broadcasting images of UFOs appearing over major cities.
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Nobody knows where these things came from or what they want.
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Military officials are warning that their technology may be far beyond anything humanity possesses.
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Then the president appears on television.
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He tells the nation that we may be facing an intelligence from another world and that extraordinary measures will be necessary to ensure our survival.
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Within 48 hours, emergency powers are announced.
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Travel restrictions, military checkpoints, expanded surveillance, new authority granted to government agencies.
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Under ordinary circumstances, millions of Americans might fiercely oppose these measures.
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They'd demand answers.
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They'd question whether the government was exceeding its authority.
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But now they're frightened.
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They believe their families are in danger.
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And they're being told that the only way to survive is to cooperate.
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And just look at what's happened.
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In less than two days, people are accepting changes to their lives that might have seemed unthinkable a week earlier.
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Nobody's conquered their country or forcing them at gunpoint.
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They're cooperating because they believe something terrible is coming.
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But now, consider one possibility.
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What if there was no alien invasion?
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What if the objects, the warnings, the apparent threat, all of it had been manufactured?
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And what if the objective was never to convince humanity that aliens exist?
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What if the real objective was to frighten people into surrendering their powers and freedoms they would otherwise never give up?
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Then the UFOs aren't really the story.
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The story is what someone could accomplish by making the world believe it was under attack.
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Tonight on Truth Beyond, Frank and I are investigating the theory of a manufactured alien invasion.
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A deception that could, according to its proponents, fundamentally change the relationship between governments and the people they govern.
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And before you dismiss that possibility entirely, there's something you need to know.
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In 1962, senior American military officials proposed something that sounds almost impossible to believe: a plan to manufacture the appearance of enemy attacks.
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And the documents still exist.
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There's so many documents, Josh, we could cover.
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How about we go way back to 1962?
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Let's do it.
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The United States is deeply involved in the Cold War.
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Fidel Castro controls Cuba, and American military leaders are considering ways to justify intervention against his government.
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A memorandum is prepared for Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara.
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It's titled Justification for U.S.
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Military Intervention in Cuba.
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Today we know that is Operation Northwoods, and what that document proposes is absolutely bizarre.
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Yeah, military officials weren't simply discussing how to respond to an attack.
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They were considering manufacturing incidents that would appear to be attacks.
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One
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proposal involved making it seem that a civilian passenger aircraft had been shot down by Cuban fighter jets.
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Another involved creating an incident with an American ship and blaming Cuban forces.
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There were also proposals involving staging attacks around Guintamino Bay and apparent Cuban terrorism.
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The idea was to generate public outrage and create justification for military intervention.
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The passenger aircraft proposal is the one that stands out because they actually described how the deception could work.
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Okay, so a civilian aircraft carrying passengers would be secretly diverted to safety, while an unmanned duplicate would continue along the original flight path.
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Then over Cuba, the drone would transmit a distress call claiming it was under attack by Cuban fighters.
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The aircraft would be destroyed, and anyone hearing the transmission would think innocent civilians had just been killed.
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I'll tell you though, what's disturbing is the reasoning behind it.
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Initiating military action was the objective, and the attack would provide the justification.
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They weren't trying to persuade the public that intervention was a good idea, but proposing to create circumstances in which people would demand it.
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Which is wild.
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And these weren't ideas invented decades later by conspiracy researchers.
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They appeared in actual military memorandum.
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Now the proposals were never carried out, but the fact that they were formally considered is like remarkable in itself.
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So this raises a question about how much information people need before they make a major decision.
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If the public believes an attack occurred, the emotional reaction can begin long before an independent investigation establishes what happened.
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Now, like change the enemy.
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Instead of Cuba, imagine the public is told that humanity is facing an intelligence from another world, technology we don't understand, weapons we can't defend against, an enemy that might be capable of destroying entire cities.
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How would an ordinary person even begin to evaluate that threat?
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Well, you depend heavily on the information being released by governments, military officials, and scientists.
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And if officials claimed the evidence was classified, people might have very little information to examine for themselves.
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Right.
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So suppose these same officials announced that survival required extraordinary changes to our society, new laws, new military authority, restrictions that would normally cause enormous controversy.
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Would people insist on debating every measure?
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Or would they be so frightened that their first concern was simply making sure their family survived?
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Personally, I think you'd see both reactions.
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Probably, yeah.
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Yeah, because you some people would demand immediate protection, others would want proof.
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But then the thing is, there could be serious tension between both of those groups.
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But even a short period of fear could have consequences.
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I mean, just think about it.
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And there's an incident that demonstrates just how quickly a population can react to a threat that doesn't actually exist.
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Good point.
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Let's talk about that.
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Yeah.
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So on January 13th, in 2018, in Hawaii, just after eight in the morning, people across the state received an emergency alert warning of an incoming ballistic missile.
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And the missile ended with four terrifying words.
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This is not a drill.
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I mean, imagine reading that.
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You got kids at home, your family scattered across the island, and suddenly you're wondering whether you have only minutes left to live.
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People desperately tried to contact their loved ones.
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Families search for shelter.
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People were freaking out.
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I mean, some people believe they're about to die.
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But guess what?
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There was no missile.
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The warning had been sent in error.
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And it took approximately 38 minutes for the official correction to reach people through the emergency alert system.
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Can you imagine 38 minutes of genuine fear over an attack that wasn't even happening?
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I mean, that just sounds like when I wake up in the morning, 38 minutes of genuine fear.
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And during those 38 minutes, people weren't thinking about politics, right?
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They weren't, they were just thinking about survival.
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Now imagine that uncertainty lasting days instead of just like 38 minutes.
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Imagine officials claiming an unknown intelligence might attack at any moment.
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And imagine being told
that your family's safety depends on accepting emergency measures immediately.
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But you know, there's an enormous difference between an accidental warning and an organized deception.
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Convincing the world that an alien invasion is happening would be much bigger operation.
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It would.
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But here's the question Would the people responsible need the deception to last forever or only long enough to accomplish what they wanted?
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So, Frank, let me ask you this.
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Does knowing that Northwoods was proposed make you like more skeptical of government claims?
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Yeah, it does.
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One thing that comes to mind is the 9-11 controversy.
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There's a lot of people out there that think the government had something to do with it.
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Right.
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So yeah.
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You know, we could go to war and Bush could get his revenge on bin Laden for trying to kill his father.
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Remember that?
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Oh, yeah.
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That comes to mind.
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I personally do not believe that.
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That's my personal belief.
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I don't believe that the government did that.
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I think it was a terrorist act.
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Right.
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But there's a lot of people I know that believe the government set this whole thing.
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It was all staged.
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Yeah.
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Which would fall right into line with the Northwood.
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Yep, exactly.
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What about you?
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Let me ask you something.
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Sure.
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Could fear make you accept something you would normally oppose?
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I mean, yeah, I think I it has.
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I'm thinking back to it.
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I think during the pandemic, if you told me like 10 years ago that we'd all be walking around with masks over our face and not being able to walk the same way down a grocery store aisle because another person was going to be walking down that way, and you only one person go down.
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I mean, all that we just blindly accepted because you go out to dinner with your wife, right?
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Right.
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You got to put your name, your address, you got to give them all this personal information.
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Fill out waivers.
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Exactly.
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Which I never understood the whole restaurant thing.
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Wear the mask until you get to your table, you know, then take the mask off.
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Because the virus goes, Oh, wait a minute.
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Hold on.
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The virus says we're only gonna go like 12 inches.
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Yeah, and they're eating, so we'll just we'll chill out.
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And as soon as they finish that last bite, all right, I'm coming.
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I remember one time I had to get an MRI during time.
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Oh, yeah.
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And you know, have you ever had an MRI?
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I have, yeah.
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So you know how it right up to your nose.
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Oh, yeah.
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It's a bit claustrophobic.
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It is, but it doesn't normally bother me.
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But then they told me I had to wear the mask.
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And I said, Well, why do I have to wear the mask?
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I'm the only one in this room.
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Yeah, it's true.
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And they were like, Oh, for you know, future patients.
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And I was like, All right, let's give this a shot.
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That was just me.
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I put the mask on, they put me in the in the tube.
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Within two minutes, I started freaking out because I had a hard time breathing with the mask on.
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And it's already so thing is like two inches from my face, I'm hitting that button, right?
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And I said, Can we just do it without the mask?
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She said, Nope, you don't have a choice.
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You either put the mask on or we don't do the MRI.
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So, me, me being me, I was like, All right, let's give it one more shot.
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And as I went in the tube, I took my upper lip and started pulling down on the back.
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I pulled all the way down.
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And I was like, No, they're not checking.
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They're not screw you.
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How are you gonna see me?
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And then I did the whole MRI thing, and at that point, they already did it, so what are they gonna do?
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Right, wow, or the other thing that's funny with the whole mask thing is walking on the trails, you go for a walk, yep, and somebody's driving by on their bicycle with the mask on.
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And I'm like, Well, I didn't know that the virus could chase you, yeah, you know, a quarter of a mile, and
you're booking by 10, 15 miles an hour in their car, windows rolled up with the mask on.
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Yeah, I mean, fear made yeah, by themselves with the mask on.
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So that there's there's a lot of fear in that one.
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Yeah, I mean, we could go on and on with the craziness that if you look back on, you're like, this is just ridiculous.
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And especially first month, we blindly accepted a lot of it.
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Yeah, well, everybody was just spoon-fed this information, right?
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And we didn't know how to react, just like what we're talking about here.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Josh, I think it's quiz time.
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Oh boy, here we go.
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Did you know there's a supposed operation that would manufacture an emergency to change how the entire world was governed?
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Uh yeah, actually, and the name attached to it has become infamous in UFO conspiracy circles.
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It's called Project Bluebeam.
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Jeez, I can't believe you knew that.
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I was gonna say, do you want to phone in a friend?
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And you want to ask the audience?
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You knew it! I knew it.
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All right, well, since you know, why don't we talk about it?
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All right, let's do it.
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So in the 1990s, a Canadian writer named Serge Monist began publicizing a theory.
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He claimed powerful organizations were preparing a worldwide deception using advanced technology, a series of events designed to undermine humanity's most deeply held beliefs, and ultimately persuade the population to accept an entirely new system of authority.
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The alleged operation was called Project Bluebeam.
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And Monas' claims went far beyond flying saucers.
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He described enormous projections appearing in the sky, religious figures protesting in front of massive crowds, and technology that can make people believe they were receiving messages from a higher intelligence.
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Can you imagine witnessing something you genuinely believed was supernatural, something that challenged your understanding of religion, science, and reality itself?
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According to the theory, those events would create confusion on an unprecedented scale.
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People would begin questioning the institutions they trusted their entire lives.
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And in the middle of that uncertainty, a new authority would emerge, promising answers, promising stability, promising protection.
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Yeah, well, that would assume everybody would interpret the events the same way.
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A religious experience that convinces one person might look like a technological trick to somebody else, and this could end up creating more division, not less.
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Which brings us to the alien invasion element that became so prominent in later discussions of Bluebeam.
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An extraterrestrial enemy wouldn't belong to one country or one religion.
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It could be presented as a threat to every human being on Earth, something so powerful that our existing governments and militaries might supposedly be incapable of defending us.
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And in that situation, people could be told that national interests would become secondary to humanity's survival, that countries would need to cooperate under new security structures.
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But who would control it?
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That's the question.
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Who would decide how much authority it had?
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Those are the questions that make the theory unsettling.
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Because imagine a population being told that conventional defenses are useless, that the enemy possesses technology thousands of years beyond ours, and that the only possible response requires and demands cooperation, resources, and government authority.
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How many people would be willing to accept that?
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Yeah, I'm not I'm not convinced the world would respond the way the theory assumes.
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Countries might suspect one another of developing secret weapons, governments would withhold intelligence.
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Some people would believe the visitors were peaceful, and then others would insist the invasion was a complete hoax.
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Yeah, and that uncertainty could become part of the problem because now nobody agrees about what's happening.
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Meanwhile, decisions have to be made.
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But the people making the decisions would still have to explain them, right?
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Yeah.
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And you can't claim that the world is under attack indefinitely without eventually producing some type of evidence.
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You'd have to.
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And maybe the original deception wouldn't need to last indefinitely, though.
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What if its purpose was simply to create the conditions under which certain decisions became possible?
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Such as so expanded military authority, new surveillance systems, basically restrictions presented as necessary for national security, powers that might have been fiercely opposed before the
crisis.
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And if the public genuinely believed humanity was in danger, some people might support those measures, others would want to know why each restriction was necessary.
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But think about the position that places families in.
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You're told an intelligence from another world might destroy your city.
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Then you're told the government needs more authority to protect you.
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You're being asked to make decisions about freedom while fearing for your life.
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Which means the emotional pressure could influence decisions that normally would require serious debate.
00:16:50.399 --> 00:16:54.559
And there's another element that makes this theory especially interesting today.
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When Manas was making these claims, manufacturing convincing images on a massive scale seemed like something out of science fiction, right?
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But now artificial intelligence, good old AI, can produce recordings of events that never happened.
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Right.
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Imagine seeing footage of an enormous object over a military base.
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Then another video showing fighter jets pursuing something they can't identify.
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That's something we also see already.
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Right.
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Nobody knows which recordings are authentic.
00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:35.119
And while the public is trying to make sense of it, hey, which one's true, which one's not?
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Emergency measures are introduced.
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The government claims the threat is real.
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Officials insist extraordinary action is necessary.
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I mean, but somebody would eventually do demand physical evidence.
00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:49.759
A convincing video isn't going to be proof of an actual spacecraft.
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And that's the weakness in the idea.
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But suppose the confusion lasted long enough for major decisions to be made.
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By the time the recordings were exposed as fabrications, the political consequences might already be real.
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And the people responsible would be taking an enormous risk.
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If they were exposed, it could destroy their credibility and careers.
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Unless they believe the rewards outweighed that risk.
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And I think this is where the an alien invasion theory becomes generally disturbing because the people supposedly orchestrating it wouldn't need to conquer humanity.
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They'd be trying to convince humanity to accept their authority.
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Hey, hey, hey, hey, no, hey, hey, no, hey, I have something to ask you.
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What's that?
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Would an alien threat bring humanity together or divide us?
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But now I think it would divide us way more.
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I mean, we are already so divided as a society right now, which is really sad, honestly.
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But I think if something happened, the positive side of me wants to believe that, hey, it would bring humanity together.
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Hey, but honestly, I think it would divide us.
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I think it would divide us even more.
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Just look us politically.
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We're so tribal, and I just think it would divide us.
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Well, do you think rival governments would cooperate or would they withhold information?
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Ooh, good question.
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Let me think about that.
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Let me sit on that.
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What do you think?
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Do you think they would cooperate or do you think they would withhold?
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I think they would withhold information.
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They've been doing it forever.
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Why would this stop?
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Right.
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Even with humanity at stake, it still would stop.
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I think they would cooperate on a small scale, but for big information, you're gonna think we still want to control the world, we still want to be the superpower.
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Yeah.
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And I think for the important things, they would withhold the information.
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Yeah, that's that's probably accurate.
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I'm trying to imagine it right now.
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There's a big alien spaceship in the sky, and everybody is talking to each other, all the countries are talking to each other.
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They would probably like show that they were being cooperative, but in the back end be like, we ain't telling them shit.
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I know.
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And you know what?
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There's something else about this alleged plan.
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Suppose it worked.
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You know, suppose the public accepted the new laws, the restrictions, the expanded powers.
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Eventually, the supposed alien threat would have to disappear.
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And then what would happen?
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Yeah, I mean, imagine the government announces that the objects have withdrawn.
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The immediate danger's
over.
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Over, rover.
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People are relieved, paying no attention to that person behind the curtain.
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Hey.
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But officials warned that nobody knows whether the objects will return tomorrow, next year, or 10 years from now.
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Yeah, so dismantling the new security systems becomes a difficult political decision because there's nobody that's going to want to be responsible if another emergency occurs.
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And then years will pass.
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The spacecraft are gone.
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The public has stopped looking towards the sky, but the surveillance remains.
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The emergency legislation remains.
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The institutions created during the crisis are still operating.
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And at that point, people might not even associate those institutions with the original emergency.
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It would simply just be a part of ordinary life.
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Right.
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Like just like taking your shoes off because of everything that happened with 9-11, right?
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You still do that.
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Hey, this is what we do.
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Well, before we get on, it's a part of it.
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And that's the possibility that interests me most.
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What if the success of such an operation had nothing to do with how many people believed in aliens?
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What if success meant creating society that had become accustomed to powers it once would have rejected?
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There's a major obstacle there, though.
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A deception of that magnitude would require some serious secrecy, right?
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Yeah.
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You'd have independent scientists, you'd have rival governments, military personnel, ordinary witnesses that would all have opportunities to expose it.
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Which brings us to the question we've been building toward.
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We know the Northwoods documents exist.
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We know a false warning in Hawaii caused genuine panic, right?
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Yeah.
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And we know convincing digital media can now be manufactured easily nowadays.
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I mean, that's already happening with AI and social media.
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Is this real?
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Is it not real?
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And then you check the comments, it's AI.
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It's AI.
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I kind of thought so.
00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:09.279
But is there evidence connecting
any of those things to a secret operation designed to fake an alien invasion?
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See, that's where I think the story begins to change.
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Because when you investigate the origins of Project Bluebeam, you discover that its bizarre claims rest on little verifiable evidence.
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There's something strange about Project Bluebeam, though.
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Yeah, I know.
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Like for decades, people have discussed it as though it were an established secret government operation.
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You can find elaborate explanations of its supposed technology, descriptions of the different stages, predictions about a coming extraterrestrial deception.
00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:44.079
But when you trace those claims back to the origins, the trail becomes surprisingly thin, dude.
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Because so much of it leads back to Serge Monest.
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His writings in the 1990s established the theory.
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But describing a secret program isn't the same thing as demonstrating that it exists.
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And that's where the problems begin.
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There are no publicly authenticated operational documents establishing that the worldwide program Monest described, no verified command structure, no demonstrated technology capable of producing the global effects attributed to Bluebeam, and no evidence connecting any government to a plan to stage an alien invasion.
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There's also the problem of scale.
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Imagine the number of people who would have to be involved in creating and maintaining a deception like that.
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You got military personnel, you have government officials, technicians, intelligence agencies, and potentially several governments that don't even trust one another, right?
00:23:35.680 --> 00:23:39.519
So how could you prevent all those people from exposing the operation?
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Well, you'd still have the independent observers, astronomers, the pilots, scientists, people with cameras, the manufactured event on that scale would be difficult to conceal for long.
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Yeah.
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Then there's the technology itself.
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Manus described capabilities that haven't been demonstrated on the scale his theory requires.
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Today we can manufacture convincing images of spacecraft, but there's a huge difference between putting a fake object in a video and creating something that appears physically real above an entire city.
00:24:09.599 --> 00:24:10.799
And there's another problem too.
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Uh oh.
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So as technology advances, people keep attaching new developments to Bluebeam, right?
00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:16.480
Right, yeah.
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Such as, like we said, AI-generated videos, unexplained lights, government announcements about UFOs.
00:24:23.599 --> 00:24:25.200
That's like what's going on right now.
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It's Blue Beam.
00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:26.880
Right?
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I mean, every couple months now we're getting a little trinkets from the government, these little videos.
00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:39.200
So, you know, almost anything unusual can become another supposed sign that the operation is underway.
00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:44.319
But none of those things establish a connection to Manas' alleged program.
00:24:44.640 --> 00:24:54.400
And that's an important distinction because sometimes you can have several genuine facts that seem to support an extraordinary story until you examine whether they're actually connected.
00:24:54.640 --> 00:24:56.480
Look at the evidence we discussed tonight.
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Operation Northwoods was real, but it wasn't carried out.
00:24:59.599 --> 00:24:59.759
Right.
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The Hawaiian missile alert happened, but it was an error.
00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:08.720
The AI-generated media can be deceptive, but that doesn't mean somebody is creating an alien invasion.
00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:13.440
Those facts tell us something about deception, uncertainty, and fear.
00:25:13.599 --> 00:25:15.599
They don't prove Project Blueberry.
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And I think that's where this theory begins to like unravel.
00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:21.119
The individual pieces are intriguing.
00:25:21.279 --> 00:25:24.000
Some are like genuinely disturbing when you think about them.
00:25:24.160 --> 00:25:30.400
But the evidence connecting them to one enormous coordinated operation simply it just it's not there.
00:25:30.559 --> 00:25:31.599
It hasn't been established.
00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:33.920
There's a trap people can fall into here.
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Once you become convinced a secret operation exists, everything starts looking like evidence.
00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:40.000
Oh yeah.
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If officials deny it, people call it a cover.
00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:43.359
Yep.
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If nobody finds documents, the documents must have been destroyed.
00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:51.119
If the technology hasn't been demonstrated, well, it's classified.
00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:55.759
At some point, what evidence would ever convince you the theory was mistaken?
00:25:56.079 --> 00:26:00.400
And if nothing could change your mind, you're no longer investigating the claim.
00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:01.680
You're you're defending it.
00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:06.880
But I don't think we should dismiss the entire conversation because the theory raises a legitimate concern.
00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:12.960
Even if central allegations remain unsupported, how much authority
should people accept during a crisis?
00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:21.119
How do we make sure the powers introduced during an emergency don't continue after they're no longer justified?
00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:30.160
I think the most interesting thing we've uncovered tonight isn't like evidence that somebody is preparing like a fake alien invasion.
00:26:30.319 --> 00:26:39.759
It's the documented fact that senior military officials once considered manufacturing incidents to achieve a political and military objective.
00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:42.400
That history deserves like attention on its own.
00:26:42.799 --> 00:26:51.519
But it should also remind us to apply the same scrutiny to everybody government officials, the whistleblowers, the conspiracy researchers, hell, even ourselves, right?
00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:55.359
Especially when a story is so compelling that we want to believe.
00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:57.599
Which I am very guilty of.
00:26:58.160 --> 00:26:58.799
What we all are.
00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:04.079
And maybe the real world is more complicated than the theory suggests.
00:27:04.319 --> 00:27:17.440
Not one secret organization controlling everything, but governments with competing interests, institutions making mistakes, people exploiting uncertainty, and sometimes genuine events that nobody completely understands.
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:23.920
Which can be more unsettling than the idea of a master plan because it means there isn't always somebody in control.
00:27:24.160 --> 00:27:31.279
So, Frank, let me ask you: does everything that happened with Northwoods make you more willing to consider conspiracy theories?
00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:33.039
Let me back up for a second.
00:27:33.200 --> 00:27:37.920
How about we drop conspiracy theories here and use the word speculative narrative?
00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:39.200
Okay, I like that.
00:27:39.519 --> 00:27:46.559
Doesn't sound so corny and the attachment to the words conspiracy theories over the years, people just dismiss it automatically.
00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:46.880
Yeah.
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:47.680
Gotcha.
00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:53.200
So to answer your question, yeah, I am more willing to consider the speculative narrative.
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:58.079
You know, governments have outlined a way to deceive the public with Northwoods, right?
00:27:58.160 --> 00:27:58.400
Mm-hmm.
00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:01.519
What other things could they have considered that we don't even know about?
00:28:01.759 --> 00:28:02.480
This is true.
00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:07.279
There could be a lot of things that actually are underway now that we have no clue about.
00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:11.680
We're just living our lives and they're like, this is coming soon.
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:12.319
Yeah.
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:16.720
Let me ask you, do you find the truth sometimes less satisfying than the mystery?
00:28:17.039 --> 00:28:17.920
You know, it's weird.
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:21.519
I find that to be the
case in most certain things.
00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:28.880
I I remember hearing somebody say something one day, and they were like, Nobody wants to know the truth because the truth is boring.
00:28:29.119 --> 00:28:33.440
And that can be true or not, but a lot of times it kind of is.
00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:35.119
It's just like, oh, this happened.
00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:38.720
Oh man, this event happened, and man, it was unfortunate.
00:28:38.960 --> 00:28:43.680
And not this grand speculative narrative that came out because of it.
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:53.599
Maybe just really the truth is not as exciting as this whole, you know, speculative narrative that we said, like something just randomly happened.
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:54.480
And you know what?
00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:56.160
There's one final thought I want to leave you with.
00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:00.880
So we've spent tonight talking about the possibility of manufacturing an alien invasion.
00:29:01.039 --> 00:29:04.559
But perhaps the most disturbing consequence wouldn't be the deception itself.
00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:08.240
It would be the world left behind after everybody discovered the truth.
00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:08.880
All right.
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:10.960
So imagine 20 years have passed.
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:13.359
The emergency broadcasts are long gone.
00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:17.200
Nobody has seen one of those supposed alien spacecraft in years.
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:19.440
And eventually, the truth comes out.
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:21.279
The invasion never happened.
00:29:21.440 --> 00:29:24.079
The threat that changed the world was manufactured.
00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:25.920
You definitely expect outrage.
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:33.279
You'd expect investigations, people demanding accountability, and demands to reverse the measures introduced during the emergency.
00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:36.240
But could everything simply go back to the way it was?
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:42.160
The surveillance systems, the institutions created during the crisis, the laws that had been passed.
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:43.920
I think some could be reversed.
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:52.640
Others might have become so deeply embedded in society that people disagree about removing them, especially if they've spent years believing those measures were keeping them safe.
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:56.160
Now, imagine a little boy growing up in that world.
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:59.839
A boy who wasn't even born when the supposed invasion happened.
00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:05.519
To him, the checkpoints are normal, the surveillance is normal, the restrictions are normal.
00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:07.680
He's never known anything different.
00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:11.119
One day he asks his father why they have to live this way.
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:16.079
And his father tells him about the terrible threat that once came from the stars.
00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:21.279
The fear, the emergency, the measures that were needed to protect everyone.
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:28.559
The boy grows older, he learns about the supposed evasion, and eventually he discovers something his father never knew.
00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:30.720
There had never been an alien threat.
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:33.599
The entire emergency was manufactured.
00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:36.000
And one day, he goes back to his father.
00:30:36.240 --> 00:30:37.440
He asks him a question.
00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:38.720
A simple question.
00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:40.960
One, his father doesn't know how to answer.
00:30:41.119 --> 00:30:46.079
If the aliens were never real, why are we still living like they were?
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:48.000
Dude, I gotta tell you, tonight's episode.
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:49.759
I don't know, there was a lot to think about there.
00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:50.559
Yeah.
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:54.960
Because I think some of it holds some truth about what we're going through today.
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:56.799
Yeah, with everything that's going on.
00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:01.680
So I think it's time to segue into our mailbag! Mailbag! Mailbag.
00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:02.720
All right.
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:05.200
I am going to start first this time.
00:31:05.440 --> 00:31:05.680
Okay.
00:31:05.839 --> 00:31:06.319
Here we go.
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:08.000
This one comes from Julian.
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:09.119
I like that name.
00:31:09.519 --> 00:31:09.759
Julian.
00:31:10.160 --> 00:31:10.480
Here we go.
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:11.119
Hi guys.
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:20.640
I'm wondering what your take is on all the high government officials coming out with stories about seeing NHI and non-human craft like David Grush and Jay Strapp.
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:22.000
Yeah, that's a good one.
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:22.640
Yeah.
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:25.119
Also, a follow-up question to Josh.
00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:29.200
Your interview on last week's episode was very good.
00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:40.720
And I am wondering when your guest said there was two hours of unaccounted time, if this incident happened to you, Josh, on a scale of one to ten, how much do you think your ass would hurt when you came to?
00:31:41.279 --> 00:31:45.839
And would you wish there was another two hours of unaccounted time?
00:31:46.799 --> 00:31:52.559
Um so how much would my ass hurt on a scale from one to ten would be an 11.
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.839
And in a good way, would it hurt or just hurt?
00:31:56.160 --> 00:31:57.599
In a good way, Frank.
00:31:57.839 --> 00:31:59.279
Oh, the best way.
00:31:59.680 --> 00:32:06.160
And then um I would say, um, I would want more than the extra two hours.
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:07.680
That that would be my response.
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.559
A week of unaccounted time and bliss.
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:12.000
Uh, but thank you, Julian.
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:14.960
That was uh thank you for the um the questions.
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00:32:17.279
Uh also I got wait, I gotta come clean.
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I actually wrote that second part.
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Oh, you did.
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I don't want Julian to get mad at me.
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Okay, he actually wrote the first part asking about the government officials coming.
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Yeah.
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I just like to watch you squirm.
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You definitely got me to squirm there.
00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:37.519
Uh so what do I think about them coming out and saying the non-human intelligence or the entities coming out?
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I think they're preparing us for something.
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That's my genuine belief.
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I think they are preparing us for something, which is weird.
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We just did this crazy episode and it kind of segues into that, but that's my gut reaction.
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So you think they're actually preparing something, or do you think it's more obfuscation where they're doing this while they're doing other things that really matter to them and we are just distracted by all of this?
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I could see where you would think that, but I think they're preparing us for something.
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I just honestly think this is just leading us up to something that might be super crazy, and they're just kind of preparing us so we don't freak out.
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Desensitized, basically.
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Exactly.
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I just had to say that because I know Julian was like, hey, I wrote this question.
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I didn't write that second part.
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Where the hell did that come from?
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Okay, so I picked this one out of the mailbag, and the reason why I picked this one is it's a little crazy.
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Um, but I I was laughing, yeah.
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So the kids say cray cray.
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This is this is it.
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All right.
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Hey Frank, specifically you, Josh can sit this one out and go be a cuck somewhere.
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This is what he said.
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You seem crazy like me, Frank, in your weird little way, but the good crazy.
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Last Tuesday at 2 17 a.m., I saw a triangle craft do a little wobble and shoot off over my backyard.
00:33:59.039 --> 00:34:05.920
Right after it left, my phone unlocked itself, and a text from a number of all zeros came through.
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It said, Tell Frank the hummingbirds are not hummingbirds.
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Then it deleted.
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So, Frank, are the hummingbirds, the actual scouts, like not real, but watching
us?
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And if I put out sugar water, I'm just reading this.
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Am I being friendly or basically RSVPing for an abduction?
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My wife already thinks I'm crazy and I've got my kids' soccer tournament next weekend.
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Thanks, Dave.
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And then he puts in parentheses, also, not my real name.
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I'm not telling you fuckers now.
00:34:38.559 --> 00:34:40.880
That question was just so weird.
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I'm trying to even wrap my head around it.
00:34:43.199 --> 00:34:45.679
He's trying to ask, like, do you think birds are real?
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Are hummingbirds like actual scouts, but not uh like roting us?
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I think that's what it the point of that was.
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And he thinks that it seems like it.
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I mean, he said he's got a text.
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Tell Frank the hummingbirds are not hummingbirds.
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Oh, specifically to me.
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Yeah.
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I didn't realize that was that freaking important that I would actually get a message.
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:07.760
This guy seems like he's got a crush on you.
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I'm not gonna lie.
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:08.960
He might have to tell us.
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:10.960
You know what?
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I didn't get I didn't get the I didn't get the memo on that one.
00:35:14.079 --> 00:35:15.760
So what do you think?
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Do you think uh hummingbirds are actual scouts?
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:19.360
Do you think they're real?
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:20.320
Do you think birds are real?
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:23.039
I think is what he's I I don't think birds are real at all.
00:35:23.199 --> 00:35:25.360
I honestly think that they're scouts.
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:33.679
I think any flying object is there to survey us, and it's scares the crap out of me every time I see something fly by.
00:35:34.000 --> 00:35:36.079
You hear a tweet, you shake in your boots?
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:47.519
I am even a fly, like a fly can be a miniature in a microphone, listening to everything I say, because what I say is so important to the world that I know that I'm constantly being watched.
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:48.880
I'm being watched right now.
00:35:49.039 --> 00:35:52.719
In fact, every time I turn around, I feel like there's something behind me.
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There's something watching me.
00:35:54.000 --> 00:35:55.360
And you know what else I think, Josh?
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What's that?
00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:56.800
My shadow.
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Uh-oh.
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It's always following me.
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It's following you, isn't it?
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It's always following me.
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It's a shaking.
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I get so scared.
00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:03.360
I get scared.
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I got so scared.
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I was walking down the stairs and my shoes, they fell off.
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They fell off all the way down.
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And I got hurt, and I got so hurt, not physically, but emotionally.
00:36:14.320 --> 00:36:14.960
Emotionally hurt.
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Emotionally hurt.
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Well, I think that uh answers your question, Dave, or whatever your name is.
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