Pełna transkrypcja odcinka How Adaptive Learning Changes Teaching Without Replacing It

00:05:06.740 --> 00:05:09.139 Yeah, I definitely see that as promising as well. 00:05:09.139 --> 00:05:13.379 As a classroom teacher, I found that to be one of the most challenging things. 00:05:13.379 --> 00:05:17.459 While it sounds really easy, oh, just meet them where they are, find out what they're missing. 00:05:17.459 --> 00:05:19.379 It's so easy to say that. 00:05:19.379 --> 00:05:21.220 It's really hard to do. 00:05:21.220 --> 00:05:28.420 You have to have the right technology to be able to help you pinpoint those things sometimes because it may not be in your curriculum, but in a prior. 00:05:28.420 --> 00:05:31.139 And so that's really where you need something else. 00:05:31.139 --> 00:05:34.100 So I see that as a promising opportunity as well. 00:05:34.100 --> 00:05:37.300 What do schools consider when they're considering that kind of approach? 00:05:37.699 --> 00:05:46.899 Yeah, I mean, there's maybe a danger of going too far, of maybe wanting to offload all of that to technology. 00:05:46.899 --> 00:05:53.860 But you don't want to lose sight of the fact that this is a tool that I think can be most effective when used well with a teacher. 00:05:53.860 --> 00:05:55.139 So give an analogy. 00:05:55.139 --> 00:06:14.980 I remember when Big Blue beat Gary Kasparov in chess, and that marked the beginning of technology being better than humans in doing chess, but they found that the most successful chess models is when a human partners with their AI, their technology that will outperform the technology by itself. 00:06:14.980 --> 00:06:26.100 So if you extend that back into the classroom, you want a teacher who might be using that AI to help create the personalized lesson plans. 00:06:26.100 --> 00:06:33.459 But teaching and learning in schools, I think, are still incredibly social and built on relationships. 00:06:33.459 --> 00:06:46.579 So you can never lose sight of that being at the heart and pursuing a test score at the expense of having students feel whole and empowered and supported in their learning. 00:06:46.899 --> 00:06:50.259 So, what is it that teachers bring that AI does not? 00:06:50.660 --> 00:06:55.459 Well, first, just to make a quick comment about AI as opposed to other technologies. 00:06:55.459 --> 00:07:10.259 And we can look at the printing press, the internet as technologies that were really kind of paradigm shifts, but none of them really got to the heart of what does it mean to be human in quite the same way that AI does. 00:07:10.259 --> 00:07:15.300 And I think it really invites us to think deeply about that. 00:07:15.300 --> 00:07:40.019 And maybe in some ways, a teacher becomes even more analogous to a coach, like an athletic coach who is there to work with the students to really identify when they need to be pushed harder, know when they might need to be supported more, or a kind of metaphorical hug, understanding when they're getting tired and need to be redirected. 00:07:40.019 --> 00:07:48.339 I think part of good education isn't just about content and skills, is learning how to be in a community. 00:07:48.339 --> 00:07:50.819 It's often learning how to be a good citizen. 00:07:50.819 --> 00:07:57.060 It's developing those social and emotional skills that are so important and is such a part of the human experience. 00:07:57.060 --> 00:07:59.540 In some ways, that's always been part of teaching. 00:07:59.540 --> 00:08:05.139 And technology might allow some of that personalization we're talking about or rapid feedback. 00:08:05.139 --> 00:08:10.740 I think technology or AI can give to really focus on those other pieces that are so very important. 00:08:11.060 --> 00:08:15.540 I think it does do a great job when it comes to that personalization and being able to pinpoint those gaps. 00:08:15.540 --> 00:08:32.179 But when you talk about the relationships, I think that a teacher being able to pick up on body language, whereas AI is not going to, at least from what I've seen, I know that they are developing some eye movement um things to be able to track the eye movement to say, I think that they are not understanding something. 00:08:32.179 --> 00:08:33.620 These are confused eyes. 00:08:33.620 --> 00:08:36.179 I don't know how they exactly look at it. 00:08:36.179 --> 00:08:39.379 But I think about that body language and that the cueing. 00:08:39.379 --> 00:08:40.659 Here I am doing my lesson. 00:08:40.659 --> 00:08:42.740 I'm thinking, I am like knocking it out of the park. 00:08:42.740 --> 00:08:44.100 We've got the manipulatives out. 00:08:44.100 --> 00:08:44.899 Yes, let's go. 00:08:44.899 --> 00:08:50.579 And you look at them, and they're just like either confused or they're tired. 00:08:50.579 --> 00:08:52.899 And you and you just see, you know what? 00:08:53.219 --> 00:08:54.019 I've lost them. 00:08:54.179 --> 00:08:55.699 I've lost them here for a moment. 00:08:55.699 --> 00:08:56.819 Or you know what? 00:08:56.819 --> 00:08:58.099 They are tired. 00:08:58.099 --> 00:08:59.779 I maybe I spoke a little too long. 00:08:59.779 --> 00:09:00.899 I shouldn't have gone on. 00:09:00.899 --> 00:09:02.979 So then you go, you know what we're gonna do? 00:09:02.979 --> 00:09:04.179 We're gonna stand up. 00:09:04.179 --> 00:09:07.219 We're going to do a little brain exercises. 00:09:07.219 --> 00:09:16.819 So you're able to pick up on that cue to give them what they need in the moment that's not academic focused, to get them able to come back to focus on the academics. 00:09:17.139 --> 00:09:17.779 100%. 00:09:17.779 --> 00:09:25.059 You know, to develop that sense of belonging is so key for deep and enduring learning. 00:09:25.059 --> 00:09:29.219 We've been doing some work with the Center for Transformative Teaching and Learning, Dennett St. 00:09:29.219 --> 00:09:33.539 Andrews School on Mind, Brain, and Education on the Science of Learning. 00:09:33.539 --> 00:09:43.299 And they come back to that deep sense of belonging and kind of connection to

your teacher and to your classmates is like ground zero for deep and effective learning. 00:09:43.299 --> 00:09:51.859 And that's what AI can't do, even though I know as you were mentioning some of the new technologies, look at the eye movement to see whether you're still engaged. 00:09:51.859 --> 00:09:55.379 But that that's just a proxy for real belonging. 00:09:55.379 --> 00:09:57.939 And I think that can't be manufactured. 00:09:58.339 --> 00:10:04.899 Yeah, even though there is the whole students are having relationships with AI, like their girlfriends and stuff like that. 00:10:04.899 --> 00:10:06.819 I think that's uh that's different. 00:10:06.819 --> 00:10:13.699 So I mean, just yeah, I guess people are having relationships with AI, but they're more of the complacent um, you're the best. 00:10:13.699 --> 00:10:15.379 You never do anything wrong. 00:10:15.379 --> 00:10:17.699 And you know, and everyone wants a friend like that, I guess. 00:10:17.699 --> 00:10:21.539 So uh, but then there's the reality check of, you know what, maybe we could do better. 00:10:21.859 --> 00:10:31.299 And I would bet that's gonna go down the line of say social media, where on the one hand, you you know, kids seem to be more connected than they have ever been. 00:10:31.299 --> 00:10:33.459 Yet they've never been more lonely. 00:10:33.459 --> 00:10:40.179 And I I I'm gonna bet that you know your AI girlfriend, boyfriend is gonna be like a kind of sugar high. 00:10:40.179 --> 00:10:44.419 It might feel good in the moment, but it's gonna leave you hungry and empty in the end. 00:10:44.739 --> 00:10:45.459 Ah, good point. 00:10:45.459 --> 00:10:46.419 Hadn't thought about that. 00:10:46.419 --> 00:10:50.019 A little a little dopamine and then uh then you crash, right? 00:10:50.019 --> 00:10:50.500 A little bit. 00:10:50.500 --> 00:10:50.979 Exactly. 00:10:50.979 --> 00:10:58.179 So now Shasha Academy uses a traffic light policy guide that helps students with AI as well as teachers. 00:10:58.179 --> 00:11:02.259 Can you talk about how that works and maybe share a classroom example? 00:11:02.739 --> 00:11:03.219 Sure. 00:11:03.219 --> 00:11:10.339 Like many schools, trying to keep up with and ahead of how to use AI in the classroom. 00:11:10.339 --> 00:11:18.339 And I know that we often are worried about students taking shortcuts and cheating and the cognitive offloading that can happen. 00:11:18.339 --> 00:11:25.219 But a lot needs to start with some good policies just to be clear about when students can use AI with their assignments. 00:11:25.219 --> 00:11:36.899 And so the simple notion of a green light, yellow light, red light is to define if it's red light, it means 100% you cannot use AI with this homework assignment with this assessment. 00:11:36.899 --> 00:11:45.459 And so you name that upfront yellow light, you define the kind of parameters for where it can and can't be used in that assignment. 00:11:45.459 --> 00:11:47.939 And green light, you can use it all the time. 00:11:47.939 --> 00:11:59.379 And what's really interesting to give an example, we have launched a new global citizenship diploma distinction at Cheshire Academy, and it has a really interesting seminar course. 00:11:59.379 --> 00:12:05.539 And we had some teachers experiment with 100% green light AI on everything. 00:12:05.539 --> 00:12:17.219 And it really challenged them to think about how to craft their assignments, how to have the students attribute what they use the AI for and what they learned in that process. 00:12:17.219 --> 00:12:30.579 And as much as that might sound frightening, I think, to many educators to just go, all right, use it all the time, but it can also lead to a different emphasis on what's important to demonstrate. 00:12:30.579 --> 00:12:38.339 Like, for example, with AI, asking really good questions and prompts is a prize skill. 00:12:38.339 --> 00:12:44.019 And to do that well, you actually have to really know what it is you want on the other side. 00:12:44.019 --> 00:12:55.859 And so it might be a different way to develop critical thinking skills, even further, I think, puts to the forefront a sense of judgment about what is appropriate to do and what's right. 00:12:55.859 --> 00:13:02.339 You can also ask questions that have students to go back and assess how accurate the AI is because it's not always accurate. 00:13:02.339 --> 00:13:23.779 So it's been really interesting just to add some kind of clarity, because I know we continue to have academic integrity concerns with AI, but by having a red light, yellow light, green light policy, you can really upfront kind of define how you want to use it and create space to maybe use it all the time and start to reimagine what that looks like for the students and the teachers. 00:13:24.099 --> 00:13:24.419 Yeah. 00:13:24.419 --> 00:13:30.659 And I and I love the way that you talked about how they have to know what it is that they want to be able to ask those questions. 00:13:30.659 --> 00:13:37.459 And it makes me think about how when teachers are developing units or lesson plans, they're always thinking with the end in mind. 00:13:37.459 --> 00:13:39.859 And with students, it's the same thing. 00:13:39.859 --> 00:13:41.059 This is what I want. 00:13:41.059 --> 00:13:42.579 How am I going to get there? 00:13:42.579 --> 00:13:46.179 What tool do I use to help me so that I get the best results? 00:13:46.179 --> 00:13:51.139 So that's really wonderful that you're able to give those students that space to use that well. 00:13:51.459 --> 00:14:03.219 And it also gives you a chance to give them more sophisticated, complex tasks, perhaps earlier than you might think they would be ready for them because they have that tool to help them get to those things. 00:14:03.219 --> 00:14:08.099 And a lot of that can be more interesting and relevant to the student too, which is kind of cool. 00:14:08.099 --> 00:14:14.579 But again, this invites us to rethink how we teach, how we

assess, and how we use our tools. 00:14:14.899 --> 00:14:17.539 So, how do you know what tools then to use? 00:14:17.539 --> 00:14:28.899 How are you able to keep on top of it yourself and help your teachers stay on top of it to be able to help guide your students with all those new technologies, new apps, new AIs coming out? 00:14:29.299 --> 00:14:30.579 That's a great question. 00:14:30.579 --> 00:14:34.019 First, for me personally, I'm just a very curious person. 00:14:34.019 --> 00:14:39.459 So I think there's some place where you need to be curious and to try some things out. 00:14:39.459 --> 00:14:41.779 But it's back to what you were saying before. 00:14:41.779 --> 00:14:43.619 It still is just a tool. 00:14:43.619 --> 00:14:53.299 And you really have to know what it is you want as the outcome to know what's the best tool, which might still be pencil and paper, right? 00:14:53.299 --> 00:14:56.099 Might be the best tool for the outcome that you want. 00:14:56.099 --> 00:15:01.779 So, for example, I use otter AI when I do my uh leadership team meetings. 00:15:01.779 --> 00:15:02.979 So I record it. 00:15:02.979 --> 00:15:08.659 I'm able to work with the AI to create instant minutes and notes that are done minutes after the meeting. 00:15:08.659 --> 00:15:15.379 So no one has to separate their attention to take notes for the team and the action items. 00:15:15.379 --> 00:15:16.739 It does a pretty good job of that. 00:15:16.739 --> 00:15:20.179 It's not 100% kind of correct, but we can just focus on the meeting. 00:15:20.179 --> 00:15:23.299 Everyone, if they miss a meeting, knows they can go back to it. 00:15:23.299 --> 00:15:26.339 The thing that I was solving, I wanted people to be completely present. 00:15:26.339 --> 00:15:32.019 I wanted to have notes for people who weren't there, and I wanted to make sure that the action items were very clear. 00:15:32.019 --> 00:15:35.939 That tool did a better job than kind of humans did, even though it's not perfect. 00:15:36.179 --> 00:15:37.859 Yeah, I use Adder AI as well. 00:15:37.859 --> 00:15:40.899 I like it a lot, but you are right, it is not 100% accurate. 00:15:40.899 --> 00:15:45.459 You have to come back and go, that wasn't quite what they said, but we'll fix that, you know. 00:15:45.459 --> 00:15:50.500 I think students may have a false sense of authority where the AI said it, and so it must be. 00:15:50.500 --> 00:15:52.579 And then you kind of go, well, it can't make stays. 00:15:52.579 --> 00:15:55.379 I don't know if you've ever heard of the AI Connection Club. 00:15:55.379 --> 00:16:01.139 They're a great little community that lore and rate all the different AIs as they're coming out. 00:16:01.139 --> 00:16:09.219 And so they'll say, hey, this one came out, and someone from the community will test it and they'll go, This is what I found, and someone else will go, hey, I agree with that. 00:16:09.219 --> 00:16:10.179 And have you tried this? 00:16:10.179 --> 00:16:11.059 And it's good for this. 00:16:11.059 --> 00:16:18.339 And so a wonderful place to see the new things that are coming out and then how people are using them and what they recommend for different activities. 00:16:18.339 --> 00:16:25.459 I don't know if you've heard of AI for education, Amanda Bickerstaff, she's fabulous and gives weekly newsletters. 00:16:25.459 --> 00:16:27.459 You'll see them on like LinkedIn and stuff. 00:16:27.459 --> 00:16:37.219 But her website has wonderful things for up-to-date policies that Wools and teachers can use and teacher education, things for schools to give to parents. 00:16:37.219 --> 00:16:39.219 So wonderful toolkits there as well. 00:16:39.219 --> 00:16:44.579 So I don't know if you've ever explored anything like that, but those are two sources I find really helpful. 00:16:44.899 --> 00:16:47.059 Yeah, I haven't worked with those sources. 00:16:47.059 --> 00:16:59.299 But one thing that I have found personally is that using some of the AI tools has made me more efficient in some of my other work that frees up time to do the things that are really important. 00:16:59.299 --> 00:17:14.259 So even for kind of educators, if managing all of your emails or having the AI help put together like priorities list for the day, like there, there are ways you can help with the other work that often makes it tough to get to your lesson planning or the other things that you want to do. 00:17:14.259 --> 00:17:16.980 Uh, it can be your kind of chief of staff, if you will. 00:17:16.980 --> 00:17:29.139 Not that teachers have a chief of staff, but but that's been a a place that I have found it actually in terms of my own workflow and the efficiency of certain things that allow me then to focus on the things that are really important. 00:17:29.539 --> 00:17:29.779 Yeah. 00:17:29.779 --> 00:17:35.220 No, I've used it as my personal secretary, but I feel like I'm checking my personal secretary too much sometimes. 00:17:35.220 --> 00:17:36.659 Let her do her. 00:17:37.059 --> 00:17:37.700 There's a balance. 00:17:37.700 --> 00:17:41.139 There's a balance with all of this here, to be sure. 00:17:41.539 --> 00:17:46.579 Your librarian has spoken with a newspaper and it talked about the importance of libraries. 00:17:46.579 --> 00:17:48.740 You're doing something special over there at Sheshire. 00:17:48.740 --> 00:17:52.899 Can you talk about the importance of libraries and librarians? 00:17:53.379 --> 00:18:01.859 I think that regardless of the changes in technology, libraries and librarians will be so important to any educational community. 00:18:01.859 --> 00:18:04.099 And I think a lot of how that has evolved. 00:18:04.099 --> 00:18:17.779 And I'm old enough to remember when the library was about the librarian kind of shushing you to be quiet as you found your place in the stacks and the card catalogs that would take hours to try to find the books that you needed to get for your research. 00:18:17.779 --> 00:18:22.659 But our library has

become a hub of learning and of community. 00:18:22.659 --> 00:18:32.740 So our students do go in there to do homework, to do academic research, but they also go in there to kind of connect with each other to work on projects. 00:18:32.740 --> 00:18:38.419 There's even spaces where, if they have a free moment, they want to do a puzzle, they can get together with classmates. 00:18:38.419 --> 00:18:45.940 So it really is a space to kind of connect students to the resources that they need to get done what they're trying to get done. 00:18:45.940 --> 00:18:56.980 That might be books, it might be an online resource, it might be talking with another student who's working on a project, it might be connecting with the teachers who have that kind of expertise. 00:18:56.980 --> 00:19:02.179 So I really see it as this hub and nexus of learning and community. 00:19:02.500 --> 00:19:04.899 Yeah, I loved going to the library after school. 00:19:04.899 --> 00:19:10.659 I would meet my friends there and we would buy cool pencils that they had for like a quarter on the machine. 00:19:10.659 --> 00:19:13.460 And so it brought me to the forefront of technology as well. 00:19:13.460 --> 00:19:15.779 It was like, I get to like use a copy machine. 00:19:15.779 --> 00:19:17.379 This is way back, of course. 00:19:17.379 --> 00:19:22.740 And so the library was always, of course, the source of knowledge, but it also integrated technology. 00:19:22.740 --> 00:19:26.899 I mean, when we started, I had the card catalog and moved to the computer. 00:19:26.899 --> 00:19:30.980 Then of course, um, we would have to write everything down to now we have copy machines. 00:19:30.980 --> 00:19:32.980 So they never shied away from technology. 00:19:32.980 --> 00:19:38.579 They embraced it, but still a core to the community to give you a sense of belonging, to collaborate. 00:19:39.059 --> 00:19:46.899 I think part of the librarians too, helping students assess what the best sources are for the project that they are doing. 00:19:46.899 --> 00:20:01.700 There's lots of stuff out on the internet that that is not relevant, but to help them understand where the best information, the experts lie for the topic they are doing, how to understand bias, uh how to join the community of scholars to cite your sources. 00:20:01.700 --> 00:20:05.460 I mean, I think there's some things there that are gonna be timeless. 00:20:05.460 --> 00:20:16.339 And that's I think another important function that our librarians do and in concert with our teachers to help develop that skill set because you're gonna need that in life and beyond academia. 00:20:16.659 --> 00:20:17.220 Definitely. 00:20:17.220 --> 00:20:28.980 And as students are getting instant access to information, it's important to have a guide still there to say if you went here, that would be a little bit more relevant, or if you went over here, this is a little bit more trustworthy. 00:20:28.980 --> 00:20:31.619 So having that guide, I think, is really important. 00:20:31.619 --> 00:20:39.700 What are you worried about students losing if technology becomes their primary relationship with their educational experience? 00:20:40.099 --> 00:20:44.019 Yeah, I'll go back to something I kind of said at the at the beginning. 00:20:44.019 --> 00:20:47.859 I think that we humans are inherently social creatures. 00:20:47.859 --> 00:20:56.500 I think education is far more about mastering content and skills and passing the tests and taking the SATs. 00:20:56.500 --> 00:21:01.940 I think it's a lot about one's personal growth and development as a person. 00:21:01.940 --> 00:21:15.059 So the different social emotional stages, there are different points of time when from your childhood through your adolescence, you can take on increasingly complex tasks and can grow in your critical thinking and quantitative reasoning. 00:21:15.059 --> 00:21:20.339 But I think part of being well educated is learning how to be a good citizen. 00:21:20.339 --> 00:21:22.019 I don't want to lose sight of that. 00:21:22.019 --> 00:21:35.460 And we live in community and learning how to live and work with people who are different than you, might have different opinions, how to make assessments on your own, but also understanding the impact it'll have on others. 00:21:35.460 --> 00:21:38.500 I think that's part of what school is all about. 00:21:38.500 --> 00:21:56.740 And as much as I'm a fan for multiple different models to meet different types of learners, whether it's from homeschooling or if you want to go to an AI academy, if that makes sense for you, I still think at the heart of education is that social experience and learning how to live with others in the community. 00:21:56.740 --> 00:22:01.940 And that's what I fear could get lost if we go too far down the AI rabbit hole. 00:22:02.339 --> 00:22:03.299 Yeah, good point. 00:22:03.299 --> 00:22:08.259 There's a lot of isolation and loneliness that comes with technology. 00:22:08.259 --> 00:22:15.299 So while things can be custom and tailored to you, you is a lonely island to be on sometimes. 00:22:15.299 --> 00:22:18.579 As a school leader, are you doing any specific professional development? 00:22:18.579 --> 00:22:21.379 No, we talked about traffic light. 00:22:21.379 --> 00:22:25.220 Um, you have the the guides of faculty guidelines to follow with that as well. 00:22:25.220 --> 00:22:28.899 What kinds of things are you doing to help your faculty stay on top of it? 00:22:29.220 --> 00:22:29.460 Sure. 00:22:29.460 --> 00:22:30.980 This is changing so rapidly. 00:22:30.980 --> 00:22:35.940 You feel like as soon as you provide any training or insights, it's outdated the next week. 00:22:35.940 --> 00:22:40.579 But but we started last year, one of our professional development strands was on AI. 00:22:40.579 --> 00:22:53.859 We worked with a group called Concilium that worked both with our teachers as well as with our administrators to just understand what the kind of

potential and opportunity AI kind of presented to schools and teachers. 00:22:53.859 --> 00:22:59.779 The group brought some master teachers who seem to be ahead of the curve and how they've used it in the classroom. 00:22:59.779 --> 00:23:20.019 Some showed some possibilities to how AI could really empower students to be partners with faculty to solve uh challenges on campus, as simple as better methodology to place new students into math classes, all the way up to finding ways to pair tour guides with prospective families better, right? 00:23:20.019 --> 00:23:24.259 You can use the kind of AI and seeing examples of how other schools have been doing that. 00:23:24.259 --> 00:23:29.299 So I think some of this is both just understanding what the tools are and what they can do. 00:23:29.299 --> 00:23:38.259 And then the other is to see teachers who are really using this in a way that is getting the best out of what AI can do for their learning objectives. 00:23:38.259 --> 00:23:42.740 And so we did that work last year, and we are continuing that as one of our strands. 00:23:42.740 --> 00:23:52.339 We're looking to do some partnership with a program out of MIT just to stay current and to keep thinking about this rapidly changing technology. 00:23:52.339 --> 00:24:02.899 But it is one of these things, it's gonna be a combination of what the school can do and the people who are already exploring and pushing things to provide space for them to give support to colleagues. 00:24:03.220 --> 00:24:03.460 Yeah. 00:24:03.460 --> 00:24:15.539 I mean, just thinking about how different it is from when you or I had gone into the field of teaching and how those preparation programs developed us and prepared us for our first classroom. 00:24:15.539 --> 00:24:25.220 Things have changed a lot while we're trying to keep abreast as to how we can incorporate those tools into what we already know about teaching, into the existing program. 00:24:25.220 --> 00:24:28.579 Is there any advice that you have for teacher preparation programs? 00:24:28.579 --> 00:24:33.299 What should they help teachers understand and practice as AI changes their work? 00:24:33.619 --> 00:24:39.299 I think I'd say even as the role is changing, the part of learning remains the same. 00:24:39.299 --> 00:24:42.419 And it in some ways simply you have to think hard. 00:24:42.419 --> 00:24:46.659 If we're talking about Vygasi's zone of proximal development, right? 00:24:46.659 --> 00:24:48.419 Anything is too easy, you don't learn. 00:24:48.419 --> 00:24:50.659 If it's impossibly hard, you don't learn. 00:24:50.659 --> 00:24:57.059 What is that space just beyond the reach of what you can do with the right support and scaffolding is where the deepest learning happens. 00:24:57.059 --> 00:25:03.220 And to never lose sight of that is that deep learning happens when you have to think hard and you have to be stretched. 00:25:03.220 --> 00:25:05.700 And all these tools can evolve and change. 00:25:05.700 --> 00:25:10.339 And if it leads to cognitive offloading, so you're not thinking hard, it's not working. 00:25:10.339 --> 00:25:14.099 If it's so overwhelming that you don't even know where to start, it's not working. 00:25:14.099 --> 00:25:32.819 So I would just kind of come back and realize that you know, we humans are wired a certain way and that being stretched and challenged to that place where we do things we don't think we can do unless with the support of a teacher is something we should always keep central in the teacher prep programs and in terms of what we do. 00:25:33.139 --> 00:25:33.700 Absolutely. 00:25:33.700 --> 00:25:42.019 What is one thing a teacher or parent can do this week to strengthen that human connection while still making thoughtful use of technology? 00:25:42.339 --> 00:25:42.980 Wow. 00:25:42.980 --> 00:25:51.700 I think that there is never anything better than face-to-face in-person conversation. 00:25:51.700 --> 00:25:53.940 And so let's start there. 00:25:53.940 --> 00:25:59.779 And maybe with the technology is having conversations with your child or your student. 00:25:59.779 --> 00:26:02.019 I think they view the world very differently. 00:26:02.019 --> 00:26:08.019 Sometimes they would want more constraints or restrictions on technology than maybe we adults think. 00:26:08.019 --> 00:26:14.740 As I said, I'm old enough not to be a digital native and uh, you know, grew up in a house that had a kind of rotary dial phone. 00:26:14.740 --> 00:26:17.940 So I've come on a long journey to be using this technology. 00:26:17.940 --> 00:26:22.419 And these students have grown up in a world where this is the air in which they breathe. 00:26:22.419 --> 00:26:30.259 And I just think the human kind of connection and just conversation and struggling, wrapping through this together is probably my best advice. 00:26:30.579 --> 00:26:32.179 Yeah, that I I agree. 00:26:32.179 --> 00:26:35.139 I think that sometimes they're sick of it too. 00:26:35.139 --> 00:26:36.500 You know? 00:26:36.500 --> 00:26:49.940 And so being able to say, hey, let's let's take a walk outside out, let's put it down for a moment while still creating that space and knowing that there is the tool that they need to use it for certain things, but then to also create the opportunity, right, for those human connections. 00:26:49.940 --> 00:26:51.460 So it can go a long way. 00:26:51.460 --> 00:26:51.940 All right. 00:26:51.940 --> 00:27:00.899 Well, thank you so much for sharing your perspective on the future of education and the changing roles of teachers as we are embracing this world with AI. 00:27:00.899 --> 00:27:01.940 So thank you for your time. 00:27:02.740 --> 00:27:02.980 Thank you. 00:27:03.779 --> 00:27:16.740 If you have a story about what's working in your schools that you'd like to share, you can email me at Lisa at dr lisaarhassler.com or visit my website at www.drlisaarhassler.com and send me a message. 00:27:16.740 --> 00:27:19.859 If you like this podcast, subscribe and tell a friend. 00:27:19.859 --> 00:27:22.579 The more people that know, the bigger impact it will have. 00:27:22.579 --> 00:27:29.859 And if you find value to the content in this podcast, consider becoming a supporter by clicking on the supporter link in the show notes. 00:27:29.859 --> 00:27:36.419 It is the mission of this podcast to shine light on the good in education so that it spreads, affecting positive change. 00:27:36.419 --> 00:27:41.220 So let's keep working together to find solutions that focus on our children's success.