Pełna transkrypcja odcinka Part Two How Do We Prepare for AI's Future?

significantly 00:04:04.319 --> 00:04:08.979 impacted the world. But we don't really know 00:04:08.979 --> 00:04:11.680 what it's going to look like in three years. 00:04:12.139 --> 00:04:14.360 And most of the leading voices in this are saying, 00:04:14.460 --> 00:04:17.500 in the next three years, radical shifts are going 00:04:17.500 --> 00:04:20.959 to happen. And so it's going to continue to grow. 00:04:21.540 --> 00:04:27.240 I think the biggest thing that we can do as a 00:04:27.240 --> 00:04:29.259 church to prepare for whatever is going to come, 00:04:29.259 --> 00:04:34.180 I think, is to lay the foundation for people 00:04:34.180 --> 00:04:36.939 to be able to process the new world that's going 00:04:36.939 --> 00:04:40.000 to be unfolding. As I talk to church leaders 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:42.180 and do trainings here in the conference around 00:04:42.180 --> 00:04:45.120 AI and communications technology, people are 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:48.500 genuinely concerned about AI. They're concerned 00:04:48.500 --> 00:04:52.319 about what it's going to do, that it's going 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:55.519 to replace the Holy Spirit. There's some big 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:57.879 concern, and I don't mean to... kind of say that 00:04:57.879 --> 00:05:00.259 with that tone of my voice, like these are legitimate 00:05:00.259 --> 00:05:03.350 concerns that people have. And so we have to 00:05:03.350 --> 00:05:05.470 help people think through. And when I talk with 00:05:05.470 --> 00:05:07.529 people through that and help them process what 00:05:07.529 --> 00:05:12.829 exactly AI is and reframe it from this mythological 00:05:12.829 --> 00:05:17.829 robot in the ether to a tool, not unlike a keyboard 00:05:17.829 --> 00:05:21.370 or a mouse, they're able to then process that 00:05:21.370 --> 00:05:23.529 a little differently and alleviate some of that. 00:05:23.629 --> 00:05:25.649 So I think framing it up, informing the people, 00:05:25.970 --> 00:05:28.610 and not making it evil. I think that's the best 00:05:28.610 --> 00:05:32.370 thing that we can do because as it unfolds, we 00:05:32.370 --> 00:05:36.529 need to have the channels in place, the relationships 00:05:36.529 --> 00:05:39.790 in place, and the foundation set to be able to 00:05:39.790 --> 00:05:42.490 have meaningful conversations with what is it 00:05:42.490 --> 00:05:44.750 becoming and how is that actually impacting us 00:05:44.750 --> 00:05:47.550 because right now we don't really know. We can 00:05:47.550 --> 00:05:51.129 deal with what we have today, which is just basic 00:05:51.129 --> 00:05:53.790 large language models, but it's going to be so 00:05:53.790 --> 00:05:55.879 much more than that. One of the things I took 00:05:55.879 --> 00:05:58.759 away from that is really kind of an echoing of 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:01.560 what you were starting out with is this education 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:04.459 is like he's talking to people that aren't really 00:06:04.459 --> 00:06:08.279 understanding what AI is and truly what the, 00:06:08.279 --> 00:06:10.100 you know, the big monster, you know, scary thing, 00:06:10.199 --> 00:06:13.139 scary thing in the sky is like, Hey, let's, let's 00:06:13.139 --> 00:06:15.319 understand what we're actually talking about 00:06:15.319 --> 00:06:18.759 when we talk about AI. Yeah, I also appreciated 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:21.259 at the end where he pointed out that right now 00:06:21.259 --> 00:06:23.639 what we have a large language models and that 00:06:23.639 --> 00:06:27.620 that's a cool technology. But this is going somewhere 00:06:27.620 --> 00:06:30.879 that is different. And that that we don't know 00:06:30.879 --> 00:06:33.720 what that is. And I think I appreciated the fact 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:36.379 that he was not saying this is a universal truth. 00:06:36.480 --> 00:06:38.180 And it's great. And it's this and it's that it's 00:06:38.180 --> 00:06:41.660 that well, we know what it is right now. And 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:44.139 We know that it's changing and we know that there 00:06:44.139 --> 00:06:45.660 are new technologies that are coming. We don't 00:06:45.660 --> 00:06:47.060 know what they look like yet, and we don't know 00:06:47.060 --> 00:06:48.899 how we're going to respond to those. But as you 00:06:48.899 --> 00:06:51.860 say, education is is a key feature. Yeah, no, 00:06:51.860 --> 00:06:54.779 like you said, it's a this is what AI is today. 00:06:54.980 --> 00:06:58.720 I was my wife was doing some continuing education 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:01.220 classes. She's a speech language therapist and 00:07:01.220 --> 00:07:04.740 she they were doing it on AI and how they started 00:07:04.740 --> 00:07:07.720 with it. Their their talk was essentially this 00:07:07.720 --> 00:07:11.540 is what we know of AI as of today. and tomorrow 00:07:11.540 --> 00:07:14.060 this talk will be outdated. And actually, I think 00:07:14.060 --> 00:07:15.899 their talk was already outdated by the time I 00:07:15.899 --> 00:07:18.680 saw it, because I listened in a little bit. But 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:21.899 yeah, things are rapidly rapidly changing. So 00:07:21.899 --> 00:07:23.920 what is AI? Well, I can tell you what it is at 00:07:23.920 --> 00:07:25.899 this moment, but I don't know where it's going. 00:07:26.740 --> 00:07:28.819 Yeah. And I think there's another point when 00:07:28.819 --> 00:07:32.279 I was having a conversation with Pastor Russ 00:07:32.279 --> 00:07:36.980 Wilcox, he is a He's in the technology space, 00:07:37.019 --> 00:07:39.620 but he's on the human side of the technology 00:07:39.620 --> 00:07:42.660 space, if you like. And so, Pastor Russ had an 00:07:42.660 --> 00:07:45.160 interesting take on this. It was shorter, but 00:07:45.160 --> 00:07:48.420 I think it fills in some of the gaps from the 00:07:48.420 --> 00:07:51.060 conversation that we've just been hearing from 00:07:51.060 --> 00:07:53.660 Pastor Wes. So maybe let's listen to that

grab 00:07:53.660 --> 00:07:56.319 from Pastor Russ. Look, I think AR has already 00:07:56.319 --> 00:08:03.290 changed the way we do ministry. from the very 00:08:03.290 --> 00:08:06.709 ground level where people are using on their 00:08:06.709 --> 00:08:10.350 own personal machines right through to the systems 00:08:10.350 --> 00:08:12.829 that are created for the church. I think it definitely 00:08:12.829 --> 00:08:16.529 has already changed how we do ministry. I don't 00:08:16.529 --> 00:08:19.069 think it should change why we do ministry. And 00:08:19.069 --> 00:08:21.970 there's certainly lots of bits of ministry that 00:08:21.970 --> 00:08:24.029 it can help with, but there's a whole lot of 00:08:24.029 --> 00:08:28.209 ministry that AI doesn't do and shouldn't do. 00:08:28.790 --> 00:08:34.059 Yeah. I found this interesting because there's 00:08:34.059 --> 00:08:36.039 the delineation that he makes between the how 00:08:36.039 --> 00:08:38.080 and the why, right? It becomes a tool like Wes 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:40.399 was saying, like a keyboard, right? It's a tool 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:43.600 for a purpose. But, you know, as long as we keep 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:47.299 it in its right place, it is helpful. And I think 00:08:47.299 --> 00:08:50.960 one of the things that will come out in our future 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:53.440 conversations that we have from Ross's perspective, 00:08:54.179 --> 00:08:57.399 a continuing theme in his input was one of governance. 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:02.090 And how do we how do we protect ourselves from, 00:09:02.649 --> 00:09:04.750 not in like the sky is falling kind of way, but 00:09:04.750 --> 00:09:07.370 how do we have good practices and how do we, 00:09:07.370 --> 00:09:09.889 you know, make it a good experience rather than 00:09:09.889 --> 00:09:12.590 allowing it to become something that we, that's 00:09:12.590 --> 00:09:15.509 not helpful to the church. Right. And not that 00:09:15.509 --> 00:09:18.610 it should change why we do ministry. Um, I think 00:09:18.610 --> 00:09:22.590 that was, you know, like it's, we're not abdicating 00:09:23.690 --> 00:09:27.610 Ministry, the verb, to do ministry, we're not 00:09:27.610 --> 00:09:30.169 advocating that to AI, or I think that would 00:09:30.169 --> 00:09:32.950 be the objective that I would encourage, like 00:09:32.950 --> 00:09:37.450 this isn't like, all right, hey AI robot, you 00:09:37.450 --> 00:09:40.169 go do ministry for me, because I've got TikTok 00:09:40.169 --> 00:09:43.179 to scroll, or something like that. you know, 00:09:43.259 --> 00:09:45.399 it's that's I think an important part of it too, 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:49.000 is that we are still engaged in the why. So as 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:51.279 we sort of come forward, I don't know if there's 00:09:51.279 --> 00:09:53.980 anything specific in in either of those that 00:09:53.980 --> 00:09:56.139 you want to want to come back to, Adam, but I 00:09:56.139 --> 00:10:00.519 know that educating people is a broad topic. 00:10:01.100 --> 00:10:03.039 And in a number of the conversations that we 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:08.419 had, there was input around that. I know we have 00:10:08.419 --> 00:10:11.220 another clip that sort of delves into this a 00:10:11.220 --> 00:10:13.340 little bit further and thinks of where do we 00:10:13.340 --> 00:10:15.259 start with this? Did you want to preface that? 00:10:15.659 --> 00:10:17.960 I think that was a conversation you had. Yeah, 00:10:18.340 --> 00:10:21.879 so what's fun, this is Pastor Jean Ross. Pastor 00:10:21.879 --> 00:10:25.600 Ross, he is at Amazing Facts. And one thing that's 00:10:25.600 --> 00:10:27.679 super interesting about this conversation to 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:31.399 me is that, you well may know, but maybe our 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:34.419 audience doesn't, is that Blue Vineyard is working 00:10:34.419 --> 00:10:37.120 with Amazing Facts on a really, really cool. 00:10:38.250 --> 00:10:41.929 implementation of AI. And we can definitely get 00:10:41.929 --> 00:10:44.809 into the weeds on what that is and what it isn't. 00:10:44.929 --> 00:10:47.710 It's called Ezra. I encourage people to check 00:10:47.710 --> 00:10:50.610 that out. And we're really proud of what we're 00:10:50.610 --> 00:10:54.730 building with them. Amazing Facts has historically 00:10:54.730 --> 00:10:59.820 been on the forefront of using... you know, tools 00:10:59.820 --> 00:11:02.299 that are technological, whether, you know, what 00:11:02.299 --> 00:11:06.240 the advent of radio, of TV, of the internet, 00:11:06.500 --> 00:11:08.919 and they're using those to spread the gospel 00:11:08.919 --> 00:11:13.120 and they see AI as no different. But yeah, why 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:16.559 don't I actually let Pastor John talk about that, 00:11:16.580 --> 00:11:19.200 because he says it so well. Well, that's a good 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:21.899 question. I don't know if it's so much us preparing 00:11:21.899 --> 00:11:24.980 the church for AI, because I think AI is here. 00:11:25.419 --> 00:11:28.200 The question is, how do we as a church and how 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:31.100 do we as ministries and individuals relate to 00:11:31.100 --> 00:11:35.820 AI? Now, I think of AI as a resource, just like 00:11:35.820 --> 00:11:39.440 we have the printed page was a resource in using 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:43.019 that tool to share the gospel and then the introduction 00:11:43.019 --> 00:11:46.600 of radio and television, the Internet. So I think 00:11:46.600 --> 00:11:49.139 we're always wanting to look at new opportunities 00:11:49.139 --> 00:11:52.769 to connect with people. to share the gospel i 00:11:52.769 --> 00:11:56.529 see ai as a resource that can be used to help 00:11:56.529 --> 00:11:58.830 guide people into a clear understanding of bible 00:11:58.830 --> 00:12:00.929 truth and we'll probably get into some of the 00:12:00.929 --> 00:12:03.789 advantages of ai some of the Concerns things

00:12:03.789 --> 00:12:06.809 you need to be aware of when we get into ai But 00:12:06.809 --> 00:12:09.309 I think for us as a church we need to be looking 00:12:09.309 --> 00:12:13.370 at every new technology and new opportunity And 00:12:13.370 --> 00:12:15.850 say how can we use this for the furtherance of 00:12:15.850 --> 00:12:18.389 the gospel? You know one of the greatest signs 00:12:18.389 --> 00:12:21.470 that jesus gave about Where we are in the stream 00:12:21.470 --> 00:12:24.169 of time and how close we are to the second coming 00:12:24.169 --> 00:12:26.649 Jesus said this gospel of the kingdom shall be 00:12:26.649 --> 00:12:29.909 preached as a witness to all the world And then 00:12:29.909 --> 00:12:31.870 the end will come what people might have wondered 00:12:31.870 --> 00:12:33.509 a hundred years ago How are you gonna be able 00:12:33.509 --> 00:12:36.049 to preach the gospel to every group of people 00:12:36.049 --> 00:12:39.230 on the planet? Well now we see it's very possible 00:12:39.230 --> 00:12:41.730 and we can do it in a very short period of time 00:12:41.730 --> 00:12:45.070 because of social media, the internet, we've 00:12:45.070 --> 00:12:48.690 got various forms of broadcast and publishing 00:12:48.690 --> 00:12:51.570 and easy translation into multiple languages. 00:12:52.029 --> 00:12:54.850 So the words of Christ are being fulfilled even 00:12:54.850 --> 00:12:57.750 now. So we want to look at every opportunity 00:12:57.750 --> 00:13:01.250 to help further that work. Yeah, I love that 00:13:01.250 --> 00:13:04.909 too, to all the world. And if we feel that that 00:13:04.909 --> 00:13:08.389 is important, which I think we should, yeah, 00:13:08.710 --> 00:13:12.350 we shouldn't hold back. Not doing so with guardrails 00:13:12.350 --> 00:13:15.509 and doing so intelligently and again, not abdicating 00:13:15.509 --> 00:13:20.429 the why to AI, but yeah, that's amazing facts 00:13:20.429 --> 00:13:23.610 is very clearly seeing that as like, we're told 00:13:23.610 --> 00:13:26.860 to do something, we're gonna go do it. Yeah, 00:13:27.419 --> 00:13:28.899 again, treating it very much like a toolbox. 00:13:29.899 --> 00:13:32.720 This is a tool that we can use to accomplish 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:36.539 a goal. And as believers, the Great Commission 00:13:36.539 --> 00:13:38.500 is something, like what you said, we should take 00:13:38.500 --> 00:13:42.720 seriously. I noticed that out of all of the respondents, 00:13:42.980 --> 00:13:47.320 Pastor John was very much in advocacy of the 00:13:47.320 --> 00:13:52.139 evangelistic perspective. This really isn't a 00:13:52.139 --> 00:13:54.360 question i'm a yes there are questions around 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:56.820 i and how it operates in churches and all of 00:13:56.820 --> 00:14:00.019 that's true but if you strip it back and it becomes 00:14:00.019 --> 00:14:03.159 a question of how do we you know how do we use 00:14:03.159 --> 00:14:05.580 this for the furthering of the gospel it becomes 00:14:05.580 --> 00:14:07.960 a very simple. Like a very simple discussion 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:10.039 at that point right it's like it's it's a utility 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:12.100 that we're trying to use and i think what he 00:14:12.100 --> 00:14:17.899 was also what he was also pointing out in the. 00:14:18.740 --> 00:14:21.000 The way that the church has historically used 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:23.340 technology all of those technologies when they 00:14:23.340 --> 00:14:26.740 first arrived Had people that were speaking against 00:14:26.740 --> 00:14:30.559 them, you know radio is bad TV is bad And I think 00:14:30.559 --> 00:14:32.799 as we've gone through time we can now look back 00:14:32.799 --> 00:14:35.240 and we can say well None of them and this is 00:14:35.240 --> 00:14:36.720 sort of harkening back to a point that you made 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:40.519 Adam None of them are individually morally bankrupt. 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:43.840 It's a case of how are they being used? You know, 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:46.480 you can, you can use a TV to do a lot of things. 00:14:46.580 --> 00:14:48.940 You know, I can, you know, I use mine to, to 00:14:48.940 --> 00:14:51.740 watch a sermon on Sabbath morning. And that was, 00:14:51.840 --> 00:14:54.039 that was a great usage of the TV, but there's 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:56.279 plenty of stuff that is available on the TV that 00:14:56.279 --> 00:14:58.419 I would not consider a good usage. And so I think 00:14:58.419 --> 00:15:03.240 AI is whilst being dramatically more useful than 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:05.000 any of the other platforms we've talked about 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:06.820 already. I think that's where it's different, 00:15:06.820 --> 00:15:11.159 but in that's in, uh, the how it's used, not 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:13.299 in the nature of the product, if that makes sense. 00:15:13.860 --> 00:15:17.200 Yeah. And so much of what's happening in the 00:15:17.200 --> 00:15:19.639 world is that there really isn't anything new, 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:22.320 but it echoes in a different way. I mean, like 00:15:22.320 --> 00:15:27.259 you said, the radio, TV, record players, whatever 00:15:27.259 --> 00:15:30.159 it is. Yeah. Yeah. Printing press. I mean, there's 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:32.840 all kinds of wonderful things printed on a printing 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:36.549 press and other things not so wonderful. but 00:15:36.549 --> 00:15:38.350 it's the people that are saying, what are we 00:15:38.350 --> 00:15:42.029 gonna do with this tool? And that's why we have 00:15:42.029 --> 00:15:46.830 a requirement to engage. And then also back to 00:15:46.830 --> 00:15:50.490 this topic of educating. This is neither good 00:15:50.490 --> 00:15:54.090 nor bad. I think we'll probably, people who are 00:15:54.090 --> 00:15:58.450 technologists in this field will need to keep 00:15:58.450 --> 00:16:01.070 educating and banging on this drum repeatedly

00:16:01.070 --> 00:16:04.690 of it's neither good. It's not bad, but it's 00:16:04.690 --> 00:16:06.830 what we do with it that matters, and then our 00:16:06.830 --> 00:16:09.230 job to educate. Well, now what are we going to 00:16:09.230 --> 00:16:11.710 go do? You had a good conversation, I believe, 00:16:11.929 --> 00:16:13.889 with Craig Young. I'd love to hear more about 00:16:13.889 --> 00:16:17.190 how that went. Actually, I'd love to take credit 00:16:17.190 --> 00:16:19.830 for this, but our producer, Khan, was the one 00:16:19.830 --> 00:16:23.590 that spoke to Craig, but he has provided that 00:16:23.590 --> 00:16:25.970 recording for us. So Khan, if you can cue that 00:16:25.970 --> 00:16:28.269 up, we would love to hear from Craig. Thank you, 00:16:28.289 --> 00:16:34.169 Khan. It starts with education. educating the 00:16:34.169 --> 00:16:39.950 members at large what AI is, how AI is being 00:16:39.950 --> 00:16:43.110 used already in our everyday life, how it benefits 00:16:43.110 --> 00:16:48.509 us as human beings, the pros and cons of it and 00:16:48.509 --> 00:16:52.990 you know I always go from the angle that water 00:16:52.990 --> 00:16:58.200 and a knife is essential to life but it can also 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:01.519 be dangerous so we can be drowned from water 00:17:01.519 --> 00:17:05.339 we can you know be killed you know in the uk 00:17:05.339 --> 00:17:10.940 we have a lot of knife crime but we grew up you 00:17:10.940 --> 00:17:13.539 and i grew up in a house where knife and water 00:17:13.539 --> 00:17:16.599 is you know freely available so what did our 00:17:16.599 --> 00:17:21.559 parents do to make sure that we were safe and 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:25.319 kept safe from taking a knife and using it wrongly 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:27.980 or from joining in the bad. And that's the way 00:17:27.980 --> 00:17:32.099 we need to look at how we educate our members 00:17:32.099 --> 00:17:35.380 in our churches about the use of technology, 00:17:35.920 --> 00:17:39.339 the use of AI. The good, the bad, but focusing 00:17:39.339 --> 00:17:42.339 on the positive side. Yes, there always have 00:17:42.339 --> 00:17:45.680 to be a negative side of anything, but if you 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:48.660 focus on the positive, educate ourselves and 00:17:48.660 --> 00:17:52.420 not be afraid. to try because, you know, we have 00:17:52.420 --> 00:17:55.559 done. We are already using it. It's in our everyday 00:17:55.559 --> 00:18:00.480 life. And once we understand that and once members 00:18:00.480 --> 00:18:03.579 understand that, you know, it is easier to then 00:18:03.579 --> 00:18:06.789 start making steps to change. the way we use 00:18:06.789 --> 00:18:09.109 it. You can use it to write letters, to make 00:18:09.109 --> 00:18:13.390 devotionals, to help planning or special needs, 00:18:13.869 --> 00:18:15.630 to differentiate the sabbath school lessons, 00:18:15.970 --> 00:18:18.890 to differentiate work, just to make things simpler 00:18:18.890 --> 00:18:21.970 for people to understand, to communicate better. 00:18:22.369 --> 00:18:25.109 Saves a lot of time. Usually when I go around 00:18:25.109 --> 00:18:28.069 doing these workshops, I'll ask, you know, and 00:18:28.069 --> 00:18:30.509 you will find those members, I said, the scale 00:18:30.509 --> 00:18:33.849 of 0 to 10. Where do you think you're on this 00:18:33.849 --> 00:18:36.250 list, you know, zero being a, no, I'm never gonna 00:18:36.250 --> 00:18:39.109 use air, I'm not good at the air, 10, and you 00:18:39.109 --> 00:18:42.150 find people saying one or minus two, and at the 00:18:42.150 --> 00:18:43.869 end of the session, I'll ask the same question 00:18:43.869 --> 00:18:46.190 again, and they'll, you know, move like two or 00:18:46.190 --> 00:18:49.910 three or four spaces up, and like, that's a start, 00:18:49.910 --> 00:18:53.430 because now they understand, yes, they are dangerous, 00:18:53.490 --> 00:18:56.369 but if you use it wisely, and if you take all 00:18:56.369 --> 00:19:00.589 the safeguards in place, then it's not much to 00:19:00.589 --> 00:19:03.609 fear, and we can't. go live our lives in fear 00:19:03.609 --> 00:19:07.349 you know we have lots of deep fake and you know 00:19:07.349 --> 00:19:09.549 these things kind of scare people you'll see 00:19:09.549 --> 00:19:12.650 programs or memes or things online and you're 00:19:12.650 --> 00:19:14.630 thinking that's real and then you realize no 00:19:14.630 --> 00:19:17.630 it's not real so people are skeptical about that 00:19:17.630 --> 00:19:22.710 and you know saying that you can't use AI to 00:19:22.710 --> 00:19:25.650 write sermons and to preach and to do bus work 00:19:25.650 --> 00:19:30.779 but you can use it to enhance you know to help 00:19:30.779 --> 00:19:33.299 you to plan to do those things I've always said 00:19:33.299 --> 00:19:37.119 it's the human element that will never go away 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:40.880 and when people understand that if they're going 00:19:40.880 --> 00:19:45.099 to be making progress in even their own work 00:19:45.099 --> 00:19:49.740 world in their own personal life the fear is 00:19:49.740 --> 00:19:52.829 always AI is going to take over our jobs or we're 00:19:52.829 --> 00:19:55.670 gonna take over the world. But I keep on saying 00:19:55.670 --> 00:19:58.809 to people, AI will not take over your job, it's 00:19:58.809 --> 00:20:00.910 the people who are good at using AI that will 00:20:00.910 --> 00:20:04.890 take over your jobs. Yeah, so because, yeah, 00:20:05.109 --> 00:20:07.529 because, and I go back to the supermarket, the 00:20:07.529 --> 00:20:10.950 people who were using the cash registers, taking 00:20:10.950 --> 00:20:12.869 the money, giving you change and so forth, if 00:20:12.869 --> 00:20:14.990 they didn't get their skills updated to using 00:20:14.990 --> 00:20:17.990 the technology, there's no need for me to have 00:20:17.990 --> 00:20:21.140 you in my workplace if you

can't. fix a problem, 00:20:21.279 --> 00:20:24.240 you know, it's using those soft skills that is 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:27.839 needed to troubleshoot and to be, you know, creative. 00:20:28.700 --> 00:20:32.019 And AI helps you in doing that. So when you are 00:20:32.019 --> 00:20:34.700 good at using the technology to do your job and 00:20:34.700 --> 00:20:37.319 make your job easier, then you move forward. 00:20:38.579 --> 00:20:43.420 I was speaking to admin staff in the school yesterday. 00:20:44.000 --> 00:20:46.059 And she was showing me two folders that she's 00:20:46.059 --> 00:20:49.019 still holding on to. Because she's just afraid 00:20:49.019 --> 00:20:50.819 to let go because she has been doing this for 00:20:50.819 --> 00:20:53.119 years. I'm like, but this is going to save your 00:20:53.119 --> 00:20:55.259 time. We don't need these things anymore. I said, 00:20:55.799 --> 00:20:59.920 if the school burns down and your files are burned 00:20:59.920 --> 00:21:03.700 up, can you get them anymore? No. But if the 00:21:03.700 --> 00:21:05.220 computers are burned up, they're still in the 00:21:05.220 --> 00:21:08.450 cloud. So what are you afraid of? And this mindset 00:21:08.450 --> 00:21:10.509 we need to change. There's a lot of good stuff 00:21:10.509 --> 00:21:13.230 in there. Yeah, some gold. One of the things 00:21:13.230 --> 00:21:15.829 that just jumped out at me is at the beginning 00:21:15.829 --> 00:21:20.289 there, he was basically using a note from Jesus 00:21:20.289 --> 00:21:23.009 where, you know, something that we can relate 00:21:23.009 --> 00:21:26.650 to where like the knife and water and how, yeah, 00:21:26.789 --> 00:21:29.450 like a knife, super dangerous in the wrong person's 00:21:29.450 --> 00:21:32.650 hands, but also super necessary when you're making 00:21:32.650 --> 00:21:35.670 food when something that we can we can relate 00:21:35.670 --> 00:21:39.230 to and yeah i said that in in london there there's 00:21:39.230 --> 00:21:42.890 you know knives you know there's some uh some 00:21:42.890 --> 00:21:45.789 danger around that that's like it's a real threat 00:21:45.789 --> 00:21:49.869 um so yeah ai can be scary with these deep fakes 00:21:49.869 --> 00:21:53.490 and all that but we also can use a knife to you 00:21:53.490 --> 00:21:56.269 know to make food and i think that's a really 00:21:56.269 --> 00:21:59.859 good point that he's making Yeah. I also think, 00:22:00.200 --> 00:22:02.859 I was going to draw on that point in a slightly 00:22:02.859 --> 00:22:07.339 different way, that one of the things about AI, 00:22:07.339 --> 00:22:11.240 which is different to the previous revolutions 00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:14.519 of technology that we've seen, is that AI is 00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:16.279 something that is in the hands of everybody. 00:22:17.339 --> 00:22:22.359 Whereas TV, radio, yes, people may consume it, 00:22:22.440 --> 00:22:24.940 but there were a certain group of people who 00:22:24.940 -->

00:22:27.859 were the practitioners of it. And I think what 00:22:27.859 --> 00:22:30.819 he's highlighting is that AI in this scenario, 00:22:32.019 --> 00:22:34.480 everybody, it's democratized. Everybody is a 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:37.819 practitioner. It's not just consumers. And so 00:22:37.819 --> 00:22:42.019 that makes the level of importance for education 00:22:42.019 --> 00:22:44.980 significantly higher. And the point that he was 00:22:44.980 --> 00:22:47.779 making at the end, I think was also very valid 00:22:47.779 --> 00:22:50.839 in that the human element is the part that won't 00:22:50.839 --> 00:22:52.720 go away. And like he was talking about, people 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:55.059 concerned about losing jobs. there will be jobs 00:22:55.059 --> 00:22:57.240 lost, but there will be jobs lost to others who 00:22:57.240 --> 00:23:01.859 understand how to use AI. I think if I had to 00:23:01.859 --> 00:23:03.460 push back on something, I think that's a bit 00:23:03.460 --> 00:23:06.519 of a reductionist way of approaching that question 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:08.980 because I think it's inevitable that there will 00:23:08.980 --> 00:23:12.420 be jobs lost over time. It will create other 00:23:12.420 --> 00:23:17.259 jobs, but my feeling is that what it will more 00:23:17.259 --> 00:23:21.369 likely achieve is that There will be overall 00:23:21.369 --> 00:23:24.430 greater productivity for the same number of jobs 00:23:24.430 --> 00:23:29.150 rather than less jobs. That's my feeling on it. 00:23:29.190 --> 00:23:31.950 I don't have a crystal ball or I'm not a prophet 00:23:31.950 --> 00:23:34.950 nor the son of a prophet, but I feel like that's 00:23:34.950 --> 00:23:37.990 the direction that we're going to head on. Yeah, 00:23:38.029 --> 00:23:42.549 it's a good question. One thing that right now 00:23:42.549 --> 00:23:46.650 AI is really heading for is programmers. you 00:23:46.650 --> 00:23:49.170 know, there's, um, and a good friend of mine 00:23:49.170 --> 00:23:52.650 who he's run a very large agency. We were talking 00:23:52.650 --> 00:23:54.470 about this and he's like, yeah, if, if you're 00:23:54.470 --> 00:23:56.849 the type of programmer that you went to school, 00:23:57.190 --> 00:24:00.410 learned a programming language and you weren't 00:24:00.410 --> 00:24:02.470 really curious and that's when you got really 00:24:02.470 --> 00:24:04.829 good at it, but you just did that one thing, 00:24:05.210 --> 00:24:08.430 then yeah, you're, you're in trouble. Um, but 00:24:08.430 --> 00:24:11.210 if you were a programmer and you learn multiple 00:24:11.210 --> 00:24:13.670 languages and you got curious and, and it was 00:24:13.670 --> 00:24:16.150 more about what you were able to do rather than 00:24:16.150 --> 00:24:20.369 just the translation. He related it to a language 00:24:20.369 --> 00:24:23.130 translator in that if you are, if your job is 00:24:23.130 --> 00:24:27.549 to translate from one language to another, uh, 00:24:27.549 --> 00:24:29.109 you know, there's a, there's a lot of language 00:24:29.109 --> 00:24:31.589 translators that yeah, they're out of a job, 00:24:31.589 --> 00:24:35.390 but just like with, with programming and it was 00:24:35.390 --> 00:24:37.839 just similar because if you're telling what the 00:24:37.839 --> 00:24:41.319 client wants and you're translating it into code, 00:24:41.700 --> 00:24:44.859 that's a that's a translator. But if you are 00:24:44.859 --> 00:24:49.539 curious and you are going to learn how this technology 00:24:49.539 --> 00:24:53.900 can take somebody's idea and turn it into a thing, 00:24:54.500 --> 00:24:57.660 that's always going to be valuable. And people 00:24:57.660 --> 00:25:02.660 don't have a lot to fear only if they are going 00:25:02.660 --> 00:25:05.400 to be stuck in their ways and are not willing 00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:09.359 to adapt and change. Yeah, if like, Nope, I like 00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:12.319 this exactly the way it is. Life, unfortunately, 00:25:12.460 --> 00:25:15.180 isn't like that. And it is moving quickly. Yeah, 00:25:15.299 --> 00:25:18.099 very true. And there will be and this is a little 00:25:18.099 --> 00:25:19.900 bit of a teaser of some some of the episodes 00:25:19.900 --> 00:25:22.220 we're going to have in the future. But one of 00:25:22.220 --> 00:25:24.519 the questions that we asked these people that 00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:27.460 we reached out to was if they had the ability 00:25:27.460 --> 00:25:30.190 to, you know, press the button to delete AI, 00:25:30.529 --> 00:25:33.829 would they? And I think that is, that was probably 00:25:33.829 --> 00:25:36.269 one of my favorite questions to ask. And I think 00:25:36.269 --> 00:25:38.670 you may be surprised by a couple of the responses 00:25:38.670 --> 00:25:40.410 in that. So that will be coming up in the future, 00:25:40.509 --> 00:25:43.130 but yeah. Yeah. No, that was, that was a good 00:25:43.130 --> 00:25:44.710 one. I can't wait to get to that. And we can 00:25:44.710 --> 00:25:47.150 talk about that more and dissect some of the 00:25:47.150 --> 00:25:50.269 reasons why people picked one thing or the other. 00:25:50.349 --> 00:25:53.650 Yeah. That's going to be fun. Yeah. So as we 00:25:53.650 --> 00:25:57.009 sort of, you know, that's all of the, the, uh, 00:25:57.000 --> 00:25:59.859 soundbites that we had to share today. Adam, 00:26:00.220 --> 00:26:02.380 if you were to take a step back from some of 00:26:02.380 --> 00:26:07.220 these, how would you summarize the key things 00:26:07.220 --> 00:26:09.779 that you think are worth holding onto from this 00:26:09.779 --> 00:26:11.660 episode for people who are perhaps listening 00:26:11.660 --> 00:26:14.920 and trying to make up their own mind on how they 00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:19.799 should be approaching AI in the future as believers? 00:26:20.500 --> 00:26:22.259 What's the structure that they should be approaching 00:26:22.259 --> 00:26:26.559 it with?

Yeah, I think I am affirmed in both 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:29.440 of our hypothesis maybe it's because I went back 00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:32.519 and like read the end of the book and yeah these 00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:36.660 These are informing my but yeah, it's like we 00:26:36.660 --> 00:26:39.359 talked about education like understanding what 00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:42.200 AI is and what it isn't and understanding that 00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:44.599 there's different types of AI used for different 00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:49.910 types of things and that Covering it with blanket 00:26:49.910 --> 00:26:54.009 statements of AI is good AI is bad is not not 00:26:54.009 --> 00:26:57.670 appropriate and nor nor helpful. But yeah, that's 00:26:57.670 --> 00:26:59.329 that's the one thing I'm going to keep coming 00:26:59.329 --> 00:27:02.250 back to is that there's there's nuance here and 00:27:02.250 --> 00:27:04.549 worth having conversations about. Yeah, absolutely. 00:27:04.650 --> 00:27:07.890 And I think one of the one of the threads that 00:27:07.890 --> 00:27:09.690 was mentioned just briefly in this and I think 00:27:09.690 --> 00:27:11.789 it'll come out more in our following episodes, 00:27:12.210 --> 00:27:16.309 the importance of the the human touch. of to 00:27:16.309 --> 00:27:21.990 what we do. And I think AI is great where AI 00:27:21.990 --> 00:27:24.210 is meant to be, but there are some things that 00:27:24.210 --> 00:27:27.049 need to remain human. And we'll explore that 00:27:27.049 --> 00:27:32.410 more. The one other thing that I wanted to thread 00:27:32.410 --> 00:27:36.069 that I wanted to pull on was something from what 00:27:36.069 --> 00:27:41.109 Pastor John was sharing in his experience or 00:27:41.109 --> 00:27:45.799 the way they're thinking about AI and you preface 00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:47.980 this at the beginning of the show as well, Adam, 00:27:48.619 --> 00:27:52.140 that we should be at the forefront of its usage 00:27:52.140 --> 00:27:56.420 in our faith community because like Amazing Facts 00:27:56.420 --> 00:27:58.980 are doing, they have made a commitment to, we 00:27:58.980 --> 00:28:02.519 don't want to just be reacting to what is happening 00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:05.500 in the technology space. We want to be, to use 00:28:05.500 --> 00:28:07.259 revelation language, we want to be the head and 00:28:07.259 --> 00:28:10.299 not the tail. We want to be proactive about this. 00:28:10.480 --> 00:28:13.180 And so I want to affirm that as a position for 00:28:13.180 --> 00:28:17.240 us as a church. If we can do that, that puts 00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:19.579 us in a place where the gospel moves faster, 00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:22.759 where all of these positive things occur if we 00:28:22.759 --> 00:28:25.930 take that proactive approach. Absolutely. And 00:28:25.930 --> 00:28:28.230 if you are our dear listener would like to be 00:28:28.230 --> 00:28:32.430 proactive in the development of AI, we encourage 00:28:32.430 --> 00:28:34.990 you to keep following along. Make sure that you 00:28:34.990 --> 00:28:38.329 have subscribed to this podcast so that you will 00:28:38.329 --> 00:28:41.609 not miss an episode. We've got more interviews 00:28:41.609 --> 00:28:44.529 to come from incredibly smart people smarter 00:28:44.529 --> 00:28:48.500 than us. We're learning from people who have 00:28:48.500 --> 00:28:50.579 really thought a lot about this in different 00:28:50.579 --> 00:28:53.579 ways, not just the technological ways, but also 00:28:53.579 --> 00:28:56.299 from the ministerial ways and organizationally. 00:28:56.980 --> 00:28:59.259 Yeah, this is going to be fun. Yeah, it's going 00:28:59.259 --> 00:29:00.819 to be great. All right. Well, thank you for joining 00:29:00.819 --> 00:29:02.339 us for this episode. We look forward to seeing 00:29:02.339 --> 00:29:04.380 you for the next one. And until then, God bless.