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This is Simply Healthy Hormones, the podcast for women whose bodies stopped cooperating after 35.
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Hormone Health minus the bullshit.
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I'm Casey Kane, integrative health practitioner, holistic nutritionist, and the person you call when your labs are normal, but you're not.
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With multiple certifications in integrative health, nutrition, and a master's in psychology, I help high-functioning women figure out what's actually going on in their bodies, and then I trust them to do something with it.
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No restrictive rules, no supplement spirals, no taking your coffee away.
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Just the real science of what's happening to you, explained like you're the smart, capable, grown-ass woman you actually are.
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I'm glad you're here.
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Hello and welcome back to another episode of Simply Healthy Hormones.
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I'm your host, Casey Keene.
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And don't forget to stick around until the end of this episode for the new Kick Rocks segment.
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I'm gonna include one of those every time now going forward.
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I got such great feedback from the last episode.
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So we're gonna keep going here with those.
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So don't forget to stay until the end.
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I want you to start with picturing a woman.
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She's somewhere in her late 30s or 40s.
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She found me probably the way a lot of women find me, through a podcast, a friend, an Instagram post that named something she's never heard anyone name out loud, or at least not in the way that I did.
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When she fills out her intake form with me, she, you know, her diet on paper looks pretty good.
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Almost everything she buys is organic.
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She doesn't eat seed oils, she doesn't drink alcohol, she rarely eats out.
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She has a small repeating roster of meals she rotates through because she's afraid of what else might be in the food.
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Her breakfast is the same five days a week, her lunch is the same.
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She's not under-eating on purpose.
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She'd never describe herself that way.
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But when I look at what she's actually consuming in a day, the calories are low, the variety is very narrow, and the carbs are basically gone because the internet has been telling her for years that carbs are the problem.
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She tells me she's worried about adding too many supplements, but she's also tried a lot of them.
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Either she's on a stack of 12 things she's read about online, or she swung the complete opposite way and is taking nothing because she's decided everything is overhyped.
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That's not really a middle.
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That's not really a plan.
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There's a constant background calculation about whether what she's doing is the right thing.
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Her cycle is pretty irregular.
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It got that way slowly enough that she didn't really notice for a while.
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But when she really thinks about it, she's been off for at least a year, maybe two.
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When she does get a period, it's pretty brutal.
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Pain, mood, the works.
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Her energy is low, her mood is low.
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There's anxiety underneath all of it, kind of constantly, even when nothing is obviously wrong.
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And here's the thing that she would say to me if I asked her in our first call.
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She would say, I'm doing everything right.
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I'm doing everything I'm supposed to.
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Why do I still feel like this?
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Hey, welcome.
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That woman is a composite.
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She is not one client.
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She is by now many clients.
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I have seen versions of her in slightly different ways so many times that I could draw her with my eyes closed.
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And if any part of that description made you a little uncomfortable because it sounded a little familiar, this episode is for you.
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This is what I want to talk about today, because I have so many feelings about it.
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And they range from sad to fired up.
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And I'm going to give you both, because that's what we do here.
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We are going to talk about what happens when root-cause healing becomes a problem of its own, when the woman who set out to fix her body has somewhere along the way made fixing her body into a full-time anxiety.
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When, quote, clean eating, one of my least favorite phrases of all time, stops being a tool and becomes a cage.
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And when wellness culture that taught her to optimize never taught her where to stop.
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So let's get into it.
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Here's the thing I want to land before we go any further.
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Root cause healing is supposed to give you your life back.
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That is the entire point.
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You do the work, you figure out what your body is doing, you address what's
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actually not working, you build the foundation so that you can go back to your life, so that food can be food again, so that grocery shopping doesn't take 90 minutes, so that the brain space you've been spending on is this the right thing to eat gets returned to you and you get to use it for the things that actually matter, like your kids, your work, your relationships, your creative life, your sleep, your peace.
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If you've been doing this for two, three, five years and you have more anxiety about food and your body now than when you started, you have not healed.
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You have substituted one kind of suffering for another.
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And that suffering doesn't get named because on the outside, it looks like you're doing everything right.
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You're the woman with the green smoothies, you're the one who reads labels, you're the success story.
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Nobody is going to interrupt that and say, Hey, are you okay?
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Because to everyone watching, or to most people watching, I can spot this a mile away, but to everyone else watching, you look better than okay.
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But your body knows, and you know.
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Before we get into what's happening in this imaginary client's body, I want to say something about how we got here, because none of this is anyone's fault individually.
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The wellness internet is engineered to reward extremes.
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Black and white messaging performs better than nuance every single time.
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This food will kill you gets a million views.
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And when someone like myself says it depends on context and overall pattern, that maybe gets a few hundred.
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So the loudest voices in the space are the ones making the most absolute claims.
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And after a few years of consuming that content, especially when conventional medicine has already failed you, your brain naturally starts to build a model of food and wellness where everything is either dangerous or safe, either healing or harming, either pure or contaminated.
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You see the point?
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It's exhausting to live in that model.
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I know you feel it.
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And it's also weirdly comforting because at least it feels like control, right?
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If everything is black or white, you always know what to do.
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And we like certainty.
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Humans like certainty.
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You just stay on the right side of the line.
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The gray, which is where I live and where the actual answer is, feels harder because gray requires you to make judgments.
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Gray requires you to trust yourself.
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Gray requires you to be okay with not being certain.
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The wellness internet does not sell gray.
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It sells certainty.
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And women who are tired, sick, and dismissed by their doctors are exquisitely vulnerable to certainty because certainty is the one thing the medical system never gave them.
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So we ended up here with a generation of high-functioning women who were trying to heal.
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I would say several generations of high-functioning women who are trying to heal and accidentally train themselves into a low-grade eating disorder that nobody is calling an eating disorder because the food is organic, right?
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And a hyper obsession with their body with tons of supplements and different protocols and constantly jumping from one solution to the next, but calling it health.
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So let me tell you what I see in the labs when this woman finally lands in my inbox.
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Thank goodness.
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Happy to see you there in my DMs or in my email, however, you got there.
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I love when I finally connect with this woman.
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Her thyroid is stressed.
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Her TSH is creeping up, but it's still most of the time in the conventional, quote, normal range.
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So her doctor hasn't done anything yet.
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When I look deeper at the actual conversion of T4 to active T3, I almost always see poor conversion, which tells me her liver is overloaded because that's where most of that conversion happens.
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Her body has been on high alert for so long that the systems responsible for keeping her energy and metabolism running are running on fumes.
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No surprise.
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Tie into her cortisol that is also dysregulated.
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Usually I see a tired and wired pattern.
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She's exhausted in the morning and has a weird burst at night, can't stay asleep when she should be sleeping.
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Some of these women are further along into actual adrenal exhaustion with cortisol patterns that are more flat across the board, and there's no juice left.
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I have seen both.
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The later and farther you get into this pattern, the longer it is going to take to recover from.
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But I have helped clients who are much closer to the adrenal exhaustion side, and it is possible.
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Her minerals on her hair tissue mineral analysis, one of my favorite functional labs to run, almost
always shows what we call four lows or a too high, too low pattern, meaning the raw materials her body needs to make hormones, to detoxify, to produce energy, to fire neurons, are simply not on board.
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And this is a woman who has likely looked at her diet many times and probably has improved it more than the standard American diet, right?
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I'm usually not getting women these days with a total standard American diet and wondering why they're not feeling well.
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She doesn't have the basic building blocks because she's been eating the same five things for two years and they don't contain everything her body needs.
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Now, I'm exaggerating a little bit with the five things, but I guarantee right now, if you go look at like this past week's meals, this past month's meals, you're probably rotating between the same few things.
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Diversity is not something that we do well without more intention because there is so much fear around so many different foods.
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Continuing on, her organic acids test, this one looks at so many different markers.
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It's my second favorite functional medicine lab.
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It almost always shows some kind of candida or bacterial overgrowth in her gut.
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Mitochondrial markers indicating low cellular energy production, inadequate B vitamins and vitamin C.
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And this is the one that really tells the story here: ketosis markers that are off.
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Either because she's eating so inconsistently that her body is bouncing in and out of using fat for fuel, or because her fat intake is so disproportionately high relative to everything else that she's accidentally semi-ketogenic without meaning to be.
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And this is where, like, we had the low fat craze, right, in the 90s.
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Now we've got the low carb craze that just will not go away.
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And this is not a good place to be, women.
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Ketosis is not a place for women to be operating in on a regular basis during the day.
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I utilize fasting with my clients, and it is almost exclusively fasting overnight.
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That is your fasting window because that is when our body is prepared to do that so it can focus on other things.
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But that is an episode for another day.
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So we don't want to be in this place.
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This is because women are eating really inconsistently, not eating with proper meal spacing throughout the day, skipping meals in the middle of the day, lunchtime, it's too busy, skipping it entirely.
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Put all of this together, and
you have a woman whose body is functionally in famine, not because she's anorexic, because she's been so careful, so restrictive, so afraid of the wrong food that her body has nothing left to work with.
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And that's just the food side of things.
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We haven't even talked about stress or any of the other things that then also impact this system.
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This is just if we look at the diet piece of it.
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And she's been told that this is what health looks like, that this should be so restrictive.
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That's how we get to better health.
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It's bullshit, right?
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That's bullshit.
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You're like, oh God, maybe that's me.
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The hardest part of this, and this is the part I'm most fired up about, is that she thinks she's winning on this front.
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And I am not here to knock you down.
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Again, I do not think that this is your fault.
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You are not trained with this information.
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You are, you have been bombarded with this marketing messaging over the internet for years, for years and years and years.
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So you think you've got your diet locked down.
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You think that this is the part that you're actually doing well and you must be missing something somewhere else.
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You think the fact that you don't eat gluten and you don't drink alcohol and you don't touch seed oils and you only eat organic and you avoid the quote bad foods means that you're ahead of every other woman your age.
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And you know I have feelings about some of those foods on that list.
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Like I don't give a shit about seed oils.
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Alcohol, yeah, I can agree with you on that one.
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And that's, again, another episode, another day.
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Gluten, I don't think that's a problem for everyone.
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And yet, these are the things that we are told make such a difference in our health.
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But when you do it, are you feeling any better?
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You're not, right?
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You're not.
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This client thinks her tiredness is just because she's worked hard.
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She thinks her cycle is irregular because of perimenopause.
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She thinks her anxiety is just personality and stress.
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She has been so successfully sold the idea that more restriction equals more health, that she cannot see what her own body is telling her because the loudest people in her ear
have a financial incentive to keep her afraid.
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The supplement companies, the detox programs, the influencer with the affiliate code affiliate code, the next protocol, the next elimination diet, the next thing to add to the list of foods she's afraid of.
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And I know that this could easily put me in that category, right?
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I do work and sell things that fall into these categories as well.
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And so I get why it is so confusing to try to tell someone like myself who has a more balanced approach and who really does operate with the science in mind at all times.
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How do you tell the difference between someone like me when you come across me on the internet and someone else who's telling you to avoid seed oils?
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Like, how do you know who's right?
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And I think that just takes time.
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I think it just takes listening to multiple of us and takes time to discern some information and then like have a conversation with me.
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I guarantee, I mean, that's why I started this podcast up again, because when you hear longer form content from any one of these people and you hear how they talk and what they talk about and how they teach, I think that's a telltale sign on whether or not they're blowing smoke or whether or not they really have data to support the foundation that they are teaching and what they're recommending and what they're doing.
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Lots of people can scream at you from a grocery store aisle and be completely uneducated, but sound very convincing because they know marketing, not because they know nutrition science.
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There is a quieter voice that this client can't hear.
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The one that's been gently saying, please eat a sandwich, or please eat something that you enjoy, because that voice doesn't have a podcast, doesn't have a megaphone, doesn't have the internet to be screaming loudly.
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So here's the part that breaks my heart a little a lot.
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When this woman becomes my client, the behaviors are usually pretty fixable.
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She'll add the foods back, she'll eat the carbs, she'll start eating more variety, her labs will start moving, her cycle starts to return, her energy comes back, the data shows up, but the anxiety doesn't go away that fast.
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She'll eat the bread and feel her stomach clench.
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She'll add the fruit back to her breakfast and lie awake at 2 a.m.
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wondering if I'm wrong.
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She'll see another video on Instagram telling her something I said is dangerous, and she'll send me a screenshot at 11 p.m.
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asking if she should be worried.
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We will have just had a conversation about why she shouldn't be worried, and the next loud voice on the internet will undo it in three seconds.
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And again, this is not her fault.
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I get it.
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And that's why I am so grateful when this client does start working with me, because she can send me that screenshot.
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She can look to me for reassurance.
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This is the work.
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And this is why my long-term clients are long-term.
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Not because the plan is complicated, not because there's some ongoing protocol I'm milking them on, but because the behaviors are easier to change than the wiring underneath the behaviors.
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And the wiring takes time and reassurance and her body proving over and over again that it's safe, that she can eat the bread and her body holds, that she can eat at a restaurant with seed oils and her sleep is fine, that she can take the rest day and not gain 10 pounds, that she can stop the supplement for a month and not collapse.
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That repeated experience of safety in her own body is what eventually rewires it.
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And that only comes with time.
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There is no shortcut for it.
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It takes as long as it takes.
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My job is to keep providing the data and the reassurance and the steady, unflinching voice that says, you're going to be okay.
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Your body is doing what it's supposed to do.
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You can trust this over and over again until her nervous system finally believes me.
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This is why it is so powerful to have a coach in your corner and a practitioner in your corner who understands human behavior.
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This is where my background in psychology, my two degrees in psychology, really changes our clients' ability to achieve long-term success, to not have to jump to another solution after working with myself and my team.
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It's slow work.
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It's emotional work for sure.
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It is one of the most rewarding things that I do, though.
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And I am absolutely happy to be a broken record on repeat for my clients to remind them of the things that they need every single day if I have to.
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I want to come back to something I said earlier because it matters.
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The gray is harder to live in than the black or white.
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It really is.
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Black or white feels safe because the rules are clear.
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The gray asks you to use judgment.
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The gray asks you to trust yourself, like I said earlier.
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The gray asks you to look at the whole picture, your sleep, your stress, your phase of life, your specific labs, your real situation, and you have to make a call.
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But the gray is also where life actually happens.
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The gray is where you can have the sourdough at your friend's house and not lose your mind about it.
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The gray is where you eat the seed oil and the restaurant meal, and your body handles it just fine because it has the raw materials it needs to do that.
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The gray is where you have a cycle that responds to your life instead of being held in place by extreme rigidity.
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The gray is where you have a body that can flex, that handles stress and travel and a busy week and a few drinks at a wedding without falling apart.
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The gray is the goal, not the rigid version, not the version where you control everything you eat because controlling food is the one thing you can control.
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The gray is where your body is robust enough to handle real life and you are free enough to live it.
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I know that's harder.
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I know that's scarier in the short term.
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I know it would be easier if I just gave you a list of forbidden foods and wrote you a meal plan and you stayed inside the lines.
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Plenty of practitioners will give you that list.
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They will give you the certainty and they will not give you your life back because that list isn't actually what's wrong with you.
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Okay?
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So if you heard yourself in any of this, if the woman I described at the top of this episode sounded a little too familiar, if your grocery list has been shrinking for years, if you feel a flicker of fear when someone offers you something you didn't plan to eat, if you've quietly wondered whether all of this is helping or whether it might secretly be hurting you, I want you to hear me.
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You are not alone.
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You didn't do this to yourself.
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You are a smart, capable woman who took the message you were given, which is like, take charge of your health, right?
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And you tried to do it perfectly because that's what we do, right?
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We are high achievers.
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We want to do this right, and we are gonna go do the damn thing.
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We're not waiting for anybody else to give us permission, right?
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The wellness industry handed
you the wrong tools, though, and didn't tell you when to put them down.
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That's not your failure.
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That's the system you were operating in.
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And the way out is not another elimination.
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It's not another protocol.
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It's not figuring out the next thing to remove.
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The way out is slowly with support, with data, with someone who will keep telling you you're going to be okay until your body finally agrees, adding things back.
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We have to add things back.
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Now, do I have elimination protocols?
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Absolutely.
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They are so short term, though.
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Absolutely so short term.
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And I'm so clear with my clients that this is not how we are eating long term.
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This is specifically really only comes into play with certain gut pathogens that I find on testing.
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We're going to be eating more, not less.
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Okay.
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We're going to be trusting more, not less.
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We are going to be living life more, not less.
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If that's where you are, if you're at the point of quietly suspecting that you've been trying to fix your body with tools that are actually making you worse or just not helping at all, I want you to take one specific next step.
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Head to Instagram and DM me the word FM Labs.
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My handle is Simply Healthy Wellness.
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When you DM me FM Labs, we start a real conversation.
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Not a sales pitch.
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I don't lead with a package.
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I lead with what's actually going on for you.
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And then I tell you what I would look at first.
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Sometimes that means labs.
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Sometimes it means something smaller.
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Sometimes it means we agree this is not the right next step for you.
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And that's a totally fine answer.
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But if you've been in this loop for years, which I find 90% of women are these days, and you're finally hearing somebody name what's happening, and something in you is going, I need to actually look at this, then please DM me.
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That's how we start a conversation.
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That's how we get things going.
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The first thing you can do on your own is just eat breakfast, please.
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An actual breakfast with protein and carbs and fat, the kind of breakfast you've been afraid of, and notice you're gonna survive.
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You're gonna survive the breakfast.
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Your body is way more resilient than the internet has told you it is.
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Okay.
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Just let it show you.
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All right, before I let you go, let's get to this week's kick rocks segment.
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This week's kick rocks goes to the wellness influencers selling the next elimination diet to women who are already eating only six things.
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You know the type.
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The I cured my insert symptom here by removing insert ever-expanding list of foods, right?
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That content that ends in a course or a coaching link or a supplement affiliate thing.
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Every single video adds one more food to the danger list.
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Every single one.
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By the time you've followed three of these accounts for a year, the only thing you're allowed to eat is grass-fed beef and a single approved root vegetable, right?
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You know what I'm talking about.
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I know you are thinking about it right now.
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You've seen it.
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You've seen it on the internet.
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The women watching this content are not going to get healthier though, right?
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They are going to get more afraid.
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They're going to lose more variety, more pleasure, more cycles, more peace.
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And they are going to think that they're winning because they have a clean kitchen and a chronic illness that's getting worse.
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You can kick rocks, okay?
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Influencers, you can kick rocks with your$80 grass-fed liver supplement right into a lake.
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All right, that's the episode.
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This one had a lot of feelings in it for me.
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And if it stirred some up for you too, send it to a friend who might need it.
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There's a lot of women in this exact spot, and most of them are not going to find their way out without somebody naming it for them.
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I look forward to talking to you soon, and I'll catch you next time.
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Thanks so much for hanging out with me today.
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If this episode did something for you, because let's be honest, it definitely did.
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The best thing you can do is follow the show so you never miss one and send it to a woman in your life who needs to hear this information.
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And come find me on Instagram.
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That's where I hang out between episodes, and where you can tell me what you want me to nerd out about next.
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Until then, eat first, drink your coffee, and take care of yourself.
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See you next time.