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Hello, everyone. Welcome to another cool episode of Retro Rewatch, the show where Jeff and I,
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watch some interesting shows that I love and Jeff has never seen before.
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There's a long list. There's a very long list.
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There's a long list.
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There's a very long list. And with me, of course, I have Jeff.
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Hi, Jeff. How are you doing?
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I'm doing well, Patrice. I'm so happy we get to spend this time together.
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Yes, always fun. And, I mean, we're getting to the really good parts of Stargate
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right now. So, I'm excited.
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It's getting better and better.
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Cool. Well, I'm excited, too.
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And a lot of bigger changes are happening. So, it's also cool.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. So, we're still on Stargate SU-1, as you could guess.
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Oh, right. Stargate SU-1.
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Right. Yeah, we haven't done anything else. We're about, what is it,
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the first third of the season? Yeah, we're in actually the second third of the season.
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Season five, episode nine, which is Between Two Fires.
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There was a really funny prediction we'll talk about later that you made. You remember that.
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Patrice, I have to be reminded every single week about the predictions that
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I made the previous week.
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So, you know, what do you think?
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It's true. It's true. Yeah, so it's a cool episode, I have to say.
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We'll have some thoughts, I think, about it as we talk about it and then later.
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First, as always, by the way, I'm Patrice. I don't know if I mentioned it.
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Skrull.
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You did, but it's important you mention it twice because you're important.
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Okay. That's not as important as Brian, but okay.
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Well, it is all about Brian. And for those of you that are like,
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what are you talking about? Listen to the context machine. Yeah.
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Yeah, anyway, some protection notes. We have an air date of August 24th,
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2001 in the US on Showtime, as we talked about last time.
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Showtime is coming to an end, and we have a new network called Syfy that is
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picking up Stargate, but that is still quite a way to go until that actually finally happens.
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We have an air date of June 12th, 2002 in Germany.
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We have a German title, which I, if I remember correctly, did not tell you about.
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I would be surprised if I did, because it was, of course, a massive spoiler.
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It is Der Kampf der Tollana. So, the Battle of the Tollans.
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Wow.
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So, that would have given it away.
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I don't speak German. And had you just given me the title in German?
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You might have guessed.
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I know enough that I would have immediately been like, okay, so it's a Talon episode.
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Yes, yeah, and Kampff, you probably know the word as well. Yeah.
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Yeah, so, massive spoilers as
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always. So, the intern that does the spoiler translation seems to be back.
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We have an IMDB rating. 8.1. 8.1. Not bad. Not bad.
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Yeah, for IMDB, that's pretty good.
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But it could mean it's a crap episode because you know it's IMDb yeah sometimes
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you have shows or movies where it's like IMDb is like a 5 or a 6 and you're
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like what why do people hate this like this makes no sense,
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what was it recently I think I mean,
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the Supergirl movie was one of the examples where I was like yeah it's okay
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I know why people hate it because it's women yeah,
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I thought it was a good movie, but a lot of people.
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You know, I enjoyed it, and I read it when it was the comic book series.
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And it's even better in print, because there's so much that they could, anyhow.
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Yeah. I thought it was a fun movie. The only thing that I questioned,
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I was fine with it in the movie, but I questioned why it was there.
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I was like, why did you include Lobo in this?
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Yeah, I remember I was talking about that, and I still think he brought some
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level of fun and unpredictability to the movie.
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You never knew what this guy was doing.
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That's true, yeah.
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So that was fun. Yeah, so we have a writer and director team,
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Ron Wilkerson and William Garethy. known quantities.
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Nothing special. Just a good solid team. We have a couple of guest stars.
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Let's start with Nareem. Carmen Sandford, who was not on... What was the show you said he was on?
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I thought he played Vedic Ryle on Deep Space Nine.
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Deep Space Nine. Nope. Different actor. Different actor.
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I had to look it up and was like, I mean, yes, kind of. No, that was Philip
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Anglim, who played with Edgar Ryle.
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Okay, well, to be fair, we all look alike once you take the nose ridges off.
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True. Okay, true. No, I can see the eyes and nose part looks somewhat similar.
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So I can see where you might have thought that. But no, he was not in Deep Space Nine.
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He was not. We've last seen him in Season 3, Episode 15, Pretense.
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And I'm going to tell you that here, because there is simply no other point,
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where that fits, we will not see him again,
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as an actor on this show. Because this is the last time we see the Tallinn's.
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So, we don't know what happened to them.
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I wouldn't say that. We will hear from them in the future what happened,
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but it's the last time we see Tollens on screen.
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Oh, okay.
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So, something clearly happened. I think you can guess, based on what happened
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in this episode, that it didn't end well for them. And we will hear exactly
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how badly it ended in the future.
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Okay.
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Yeah, but I wanted to mention it here because it just doesn't fit anywhere else.
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Well, I hope they let us know that Nolan's cat is okay. Or Narem's cat is okay.
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Yeah, I don't think so. But who knows? I mean, we don't know.
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We have Marie Stillen as High Chancellor Tremel, of course. Last seen in Shades of Grey.
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Also her last appearance, of course, then. because as I said,
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we don't see any tolerance in the future.
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And Peter Wingfield is back as Tanit, last seen in season four,
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episode 22. So recently in Exodus, of course, last episode of this season.
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This is also the last credited appearance, I should mention.
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But not the last appearance.
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Oh, interesting. Okay.
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We just didn't get quite it in the future.
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Interesting.
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Interesting, yeah. Take it however you want. We have some interesting stuff.
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We have some interesting tidbits as always.
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Between two acts is actually a nickname for the script.
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Okay.
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The script had so many structural problems at the outline stage that it earned
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the nickname between two acts among the writers.
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I quote Joseph Malazzi here man this one had all sorts of problems at the outline
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stage so much that it weren't a nickname between two acts once the structural
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problems had been addressed one wrote and delivered a first draft of the script,
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so apparently some problems in,
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getting the outline.
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So apparently a rough.
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Outline yeah but it somehow worked it worked right,
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the outdoor shots are of course once again at Simon Fraser University,
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yeah as always totally recognized it in Burnaby OMOC's funeral took place at
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the academic quadrangle with other scenes in the,
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Convocation Mall Convocation and Robert C. Brown Hall,
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so same locations we've used previously for pretense and also has been used
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for Battlestar Galactica as Caprica I've recognized.
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It as Caprica.
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And Andromeda.
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Oh, I haven't seen that.
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Yeah, Andromeda used it. And it's all like Vancouver sci-fi shows. So, makes sense.
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Yeah. Yeah, as they did the pan
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across that mall, I kept looking for Cylon Raiders to come flying through.
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So true, yeah. That is absolutely, that would have been, yeah.
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There is a funny side story here.
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during a notes meeting in Robert C. Cooper's office, co-producer John Lennox
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Dog happened, sorry, hopped onto the couch and relieved himself on Ron Wilkinson's script draft.
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Wow. Wow. Tough critics.
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That dog pissed on my script, said Ron. To which Brad replied, he wasn't the only one.
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Wow. Wow. Well, I'm glad all of their headaches and stress paid off.
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Yes. So I mentioned it's the final appearance of Talon already.
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So that concludes about this episode. There is another storyline we've been
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following in parallel, right? The whole thing about what I just mentioned earlier,
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Showtime is on the way out.
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There is a... Well, we know the sci-fi deal was announced when the last episode
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aired, But as we look at the production schedule,
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we're trying to guess,
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who knew what when, which is a total guess. We don't have a source exactly for
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when the news reached the cast and crew on set.
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working backwards from what we know about the production schedule.
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So when did they shoot which episode, roughly, somewhere around this point in
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the filming, the people making the show would have learned that their run on Showtime was over.
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And we know that.
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There's some reasons we know that. MGM was fighting to keeping it alive.
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We talked about that. That much was likely known.
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I would assume that they knew, okay, Because, I mean, if they told them,
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okay, like, we're canceled, shows over, whatever, certain things wouldn't have
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happened that happened.
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So we can assume that the people in the crew knew what was going on.
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Nobody knew if it would be one. Like, would they find a replacement?
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That's my guess. But there was hope.
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so for the cast and crew to turn up for 12 to 14 hour days this was simply the
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reality that they were working in right,
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like it's coming to an end on showtime we're looking for alternatives yeah,
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So, a show that is genuinely uncertain. There is something happening that I'm not talking about yet,
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but that I know that tells me that they knew beforehand.
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They knew that the show was at least likely to continue before they knew that the deal was done.
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Because that was probably pretty close to an announcement where they let it,
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slip that, okay, we're going with sci-fi.
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Okay.
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Yeah, but there's something else going on that we'll get to probably next episode.
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And that tells me that there was a period where they knew they were leaving,
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showtime without knowing where they were going.
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That uncertainty, just imagine happening.
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Okay. I mean, and that makes sense. if you don't know.
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You know enough that you're like hopefully this is not completely cancelled
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and we're probably going somewhere because if it's just cancelled you're like
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let's look for a new job easy enough,
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it's also hard but at least from a decision perspective it's like okay this
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is the situation I'm looking for a new gig so,
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so it was not dead,
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okay we'll see we'll talk about it there's still some stuff coming but it explains
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a couple things that happened in the season,
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as we approach it okay um yeah so that's it those are the behind the scenes
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things that that I know of at least quite a bit,
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so for that we don't have all the details if someone has more yeah that doesn't know,
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interesting yeah please yeah there's at least nothing officially documented
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anywhere that i could find like no rumors even or behind the scenes documents
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that leaked eventually or,
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people saying things in interviews or whatever like so however it happened it's,
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a lot of it is inferring from what i know what happened.
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All right, so what I infer from that is that this whole process,
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from Showtime pulling back and SyFy stepping in was probably a pretty smooth process.
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Yeah, it was. We talked about that last time, right?
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That sci-fi anyway, they had already taken over some shows from MGM,
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from, sorry, from Showtime.
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Oh, right, yes, I remember.
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Yeah. With MGM together, they had also kind of that sci-fi, they had an eye
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on SG-1 from the get-go and kind of were interested anyway.
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Yeah, so you can definitely say that that was a quite smooth transition.
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Yeah as i recall i said something along the lines of they they probably had
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something in place so that if this scenario came up they were already prepared
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to uh to approach in mg yeah.
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So something like that yeah okay then let's jump in to our episode so we start
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out with a previously on in Stargate.
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SG-1.
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Narrated by?
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By Christopher Judge, because apparently the writers forgot that he's an actual
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character and not just someone who does voiceovers.
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Correct, yeah, at least this way he gets some work.
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So, we get the tolerance and the whole rejection of trading technology,
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as usual. Like, what happened before, right? We've seen this before.
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But it's a good recap. Tells you already, okay, this is going to be a Tolan
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episode, right? Just from the first second. Yep.
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Yep.
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So, we start out back on Tolana. We learn that Omok has died, right?
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The gruffy older gentleman who felt begrudgingly liked the humans,
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but also kind of was ambivalent about them.
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Yeah, and he was the person who made it very clear that Tolan are not going
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to share technology and why they're not going to share technology.
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Yeah, he had a good story and good reasons for it. So we joined basically his memorial service.
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nice, I would say intimate ceremony only a few people, SG-1 is there,
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a couple others Cotensor Travell and Nareem of course they light a fire for
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him there was a little goof because that thing where they light the fire it's
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metal reflective and you can see one of the,
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camera people camera operators in this fire.
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How funny, I totally miss that.
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I mean, it's hard to do that, right? Because it's all reflective surfaces and whatever.
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I mean, you could have removed it in post, but it's probably not worth it.
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Who cares? We've had this happen before.
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We learned from Nareem that in his testament,
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Omok asked that his memorial be attended only by those whom he respected.
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To which Jack is like, so why are we here? yeah,
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Nareem says yeah he might not have shown you much warmth or affection but they
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can tell you Omak had a great deal of reverence for all of you,
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So, yeah, I got that. I think I was like, yeah, okay, that makes sense.
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I think he begrudgingly accepted that the humans were kind of intriguing and
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interesting and could be respected.
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Like Jack especially, like the way he behaved with them and all that,
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that there was something to them. And even though they can't share technology,
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it doesn't mean that you have to hate them.
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Even though he's kind of a grudging people.
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he was a bit of a curmudgeon curmudgeon is the word I was looking for thank you but you.
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Know I get it.
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Yeah and then we get something surprising because Travelle asked them she's
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like oh yeah you know the whole tech trade thing that we said yeah can you come back tomorrow,
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and Jack's like okay and with that they can leave she's like okay see you tomorrow,
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so there's something weird going on right yeah and and so they start speculating with narim,
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why is travel asking them back i mean we thought that that was a hard hard rule
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that like they do not share technology like no discussion and,
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like there's no yes that.
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Is that is correct.
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Yeah and like, that makes no sense to him either. Like, this is weird.
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And then we get a nice scene. I mean, we know that there's something between,
00:20:21.613 --> 00:20:23.693
some closeness between the rain and Carter.
00:20:24.333 --> 00:20:26.788
It's never explored fully, but there's some,
00:20:28.461 --> 00:20:32.098
deeper relationship between them. Some spark is there.
00:20:32.098 --> 00:20:33.618
She gave them a cat.
00:20:33.618 --> 00:20:35.392
Yeah, exactly.
00:20:36.988 --> 00:20:38.408
There's some kind of spark there.
00:20:38.408 --> 00:20:41.788
Yeah, I mean, Carter seems to have that with a couple people,
00:20:41.788 --> 00:20:42.927
right? Do you remember Matjouf?
00:20:43.960 --> 00:20:44.818
Oh, yeah.
00:20:44.818 --> 00:20:46.184
She's open for that.
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And I think it's good because you should have some fun.
00:20:53.481 --> 00:20:58.873
So Nareem and Carter hold hands briefly, and in secret, he passes her a note,
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or something. Something gets passed.
00:21:01.868 --> 00:21:04.017
We don't see what it is, but something gets passed.
00:21:05.448 --> 00:21:08.688
And she plays it cool. She doesn't say, oh, whatever.
00:21:09.028 --> 00:21:13.398
She instantly recognizes, okay, he wanted to pass her a message in secret,
00:21:13.398 --> 00:21:17.362
and so let's not draw attention to it. They go through the gate.
00:21:19.040 --> 00:21:25.151
Or two, once again, we don't even see them. Basically, they arrive on the SG1 side.
00:21:27.228 --> 00:21:29.838
Although we do hear the gate being dialed in the background.
00:21:29.838 --> 00:21:36.048
Yes, we do. We do. But we never see it, actually. So, through the gate,
00:21:36.408 --> 00:21:41.358
Carter basically revealed what she was handed, and it's kind of like a Star
00:21:41.358 --> 00:21:42.694
Wars-like holo-recording.
00:21:43.356 --> 00:21:43.971
Yeah.
00:21:44.215 --> 00:21:46.473
It's a force ghost now, I don't know.
00:21:49.208 --> 00:21:50.142
Help me, Obi-Wan.
00:21:50.415 --> 00:21:53.474
Help me, you're a real hope. Kind of like that.
00:21:55.308 --> 00:21:58.988
Because it is a message from Nareem, and He's saying, Samantha,
00:21:58.988 --> 00:22:01.409
I'm sorry I was unable to tell
you this in person.
00:22:01.804 --> 00:22:03.586
I do not know who I can trust.
00:22:04.004 --> 00:22:07.667
Before his death, Omok gave me a warning and I believe it to be true.
00:22:08.085 --> 00:22:09.867
Earth is in grave danger.
00:22:13.791 --> 00:22:19.964
Yeah, I felt like this was a long intro, not in a bad way.
00:22:19.964 --> 00:22:23.258
It was longer than a lot of them. I mean, we've had some where it was like,
00:22:23.914 --> 00:22:27.994
I felt like five seconds and then we're done.
00:22:28.414 --> 00:22:29.194
And then we're running credits.
00:22:29.314 --> 00:22:33.063
I think the shortest was probably 20 seconds, 25 seconds, something like that.
00:22:33.835 --> 00:22:38.879
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean, they did a lot in the intro.
00:22:39.280 --> 00:22:40.261
Yeah, they did a lot.
00:22:42.727 --> 00:22:45.519
So, what are you thinking, seeing that?
00:22:46.634 --> 00:22:49.534
I'm thinking we have a political intrigue episode happening.
00:22:50.628 --> 00:22:53.664
Mm-hmm. You were correct about that one.
00:22:53.896 --> 00:22:54.494
Uh-huh.
00:22:56.705 --> 00:23:01.059
And so, I mean, it seems clear to me from the intro,
00:23:03.764 --> 00:23:10.734
that SG-1 is going to have to solve the mystery and that Nareem will be part
00:23:10.734 --> 00:23:12.814
of the mystery-solving gang.
00:23:13.598 --> 00:23:18.810
Yes. I mean, he's clearly on the outside of whatever is going on because he knows nothing.
00:23:20.594 --> 00:23:24.914
He can't even speculate what's going on. He knows something is weird and wrong,
00:23:24.914 --> 00:23:26.394
but he doesn't know exactly what.
00:23:27.114 --> 00:23:30.315
He doesn't even know what to speculate about. He's like, weird.
00:23:31.654 --> 00:23:33.752
He just knows something is going on.
00:23:35.168 --> 00:23:44.294
Yeah. Yes. And it feels to me like, what's her name? The chancellor, the boss.
00:23:45.420 --> 00:23:46.610
Travelle, thank you.
00:23:47.754 --> 00:23:50.621
That she has ulterior motives.
00:23:50.737 --> 00:23:52.095
Oh, I mean, she always has.
00:23:52.908 --> 00:23:57.564
Yeah, but like, especially so. Okay, that's fair. She always does.
00:23:57.564 --> 00:23:59.584
She's a political player, very clearly.
00:24:00.710 --> 00:24:04.384
Yeah. So, anyhow, yeah.
00:24:04.384 --> 00:24:09.934
At this point, I'm just, I'm, I'm ready for the political intrigue and,
00:24:10.474 --> 00:24:16.504
and, uh, I'm hoping that it doesn't, uh, like build up and then they have to
00:24:16.504 --> 00:24:20.910
do a super fast wrap up and I'm like all that. And this is the payoff.
00:24:21.572 --> 00:24:21.634
Mm hmm.
00:24:24.417 --> 00:24:24.946
Exactly.
00:24:25.554 --> 00:24:27.926
So I'm cautiously optimistic at this point.
00:24:28.346 --> 00:24:31.406
Yeah. I mean, it's going to be interesting, right? What's the secret?
00:24:31.406 --> 00:24:34.086
What's really going on? And how it does get resolved?
00:24:35.046 --> 00:24:40.086
It's not rocket science to understand
something is going on and that will need
00:24:40.086 --> 00:24:43.318
to be resolved somehow. Unveiled and then resolved.
00:24:45.413 --> 00:24:51.406
So when we come back, first, of course, we have to have a brief scene in the exposition room.
00:24:51.406 --> 00:24:56.486
This time it's really brief. It's basically Carter, I think,
00:24:56.486 --> 00:25:01.076
catches up Hammond on the message, and they don't know much more.
00:25:03.468 --> 00:25:09.356
But they surmise that whatever Omok meant, it is probably related to what Travell
00:25:09.356 --> 00:25:13.670
wants to talk about. I mean, that is too much of a coincidence for it to be a coincidence.
00:25:15.226 --> 00:25:18.076
Yeah, and that seems very obvious.
00:25:18.076 --> 00:25:20.926
Yes. So everybody agrees.
00:25:22.066 --> 00:25:28.125
everybody agrees agreed, go back and see what you want basically, that's it,
00:25:29.803 --> 00:25:36.161
So they do. So they arrive on Talana. We see only Jack and Daniel in Treveld's
00:25:36.161 --> 00:25:38.071
office, right? We've seen that before, right?
00:25:39.931 --> 00:25:47.693
Her massive room. Like, it's more than an office. Like, massive. Jack comments, cozy.
00:25:48.779 --> 00:25:49.611
Because it's, of course.
00:25:49.611 --> 00:25:49.971
Not.
00:25:51.211 --> 00:25:52.481
It's big. No, it's not.
00:25:52.481 --> 00:25:54.441
It's clean. It's marble.
00:25:54.441 --> 00:25:55.991
It feels very sterile.
00:25:55.991 --> 00:26:00.999
Very sterile, yeah. we learned that Carter and Tilgar with Nareem,
00:26:02.811 --> 00:26:08.568
they didn't have to go to the Chancellor and so Travell opens up,
00:26:09.531 --> 00:26:13.551
about what she wanted to talk about and she says the courier met this morning
00:26:13.551 --> 00:26:18.000
as I indicated so she had mentioned that before that there was a meeting and then they would meet,
00:26:19.731 --> 00:26:25.561
and the topic was our policy of sharing technology with Earth In an odd way,
00:26:25.561 --> 00:26:29.314
Colonel O'Neill, the unfortunate death of OMOC, unfortunate,
00:26:30.342 --> 00:26:32.785
has proven to be advantageous for you.
00:26:34.544 --> 00:26:38.861
In the past, the prevailing beliefs of the Korea have made such an arrangement
00:26:38.861 --> 00:26:40.907
impossible, so like sharing technologies.
00:26:42.172 --> 00:26:45.901
Some members of the Korea have been slowly changing their point of view about
00:26:45.901 --> 00:26:49.781
our isolationist ways. Recently, the balance of the votes on these issues have
00:26:49.781 --> 00:26:52.493
been split, and OMOC strongly supports the old ways.
00:26:53.411 --> 00:26:58.240
So, of course, with his passing, those in favor now control the vote.
00:26:59.761 --> 00:27:02.310
So, she would like to propose an exchange.
00:27:03.912 --> 00:27:08.871
And Jack is like, ah, the sound of the other shoe. Because they're not just
00:27:08.871 --> 00:27:10.813
sharing, of course. They want something in return.
00:27:11.109 --> 00:27:12.731
Of course they want something in return.
00:27:13.131 --> 00:27:15.601
And she's very transparent about it. She's like, please, Colonel,
00:27:15.601 --> 00:27:22.823
have you ever known any political body to act solely without concern for its own needs? No.
00:27:23.618 --> 00:27:25.171
I mean, that's fair.
00:27:25.751 --> 00:27:31.618
Yes. I mean, she's very open about it. So what do they need? They need trinium.
00:27:35.941 --> 00:27:40.022
And as she's mentioned that, she basically walks to her desk and then taps a
00:27:40.191 --> 00:27:44.899
couple of buttons and all of a sudden the entire room turns dark and she deactivated something.
00:27:45.636 --> 00:27:48.643
She deactivated the security and the recordings in the room.
00:27:49.990 --> 00:27:54.628
But she wants to talk about, she wants to talk confidentially,
00:27:54.895 --> 00:27:57.838
confidentially without repercussions, she says.
00:27:59.608 --> 00:28:03.353
the truth is colonel those counselors that oppose the arrangement still have
00:28:03.353 --> 00:28:11.809
strong voices amongst our people so the whole exchange thing is basically for the public she says.
00:28:14.468 --> 00:28:15.117
Yeah. Okay.
00:28:15.237 --> 00:28:16.326
But do you believe her or not?
00:28:17.539 --> 00:28:19.582
Well, it's hard to believe her.
00:28:19.768 --> 00:28:23.127
Yeah, it's true. Yeah.
00:28:23.127 --> 00:28:29.787
But at the same time, I feel like they've done a good job, they meaning the
00:28:29.787 --> 00:28:33.021
writers, have done a good job of setting us up,
00:28:34.687 --> 00:28:41.017
to take what she's saying at face value, even though we can't totally take it at face value.
00:28:41.017 --> 00:28:44.217
Even though we know we can't take her at face value ever.
00:28:44.217 --> 00:28:48.337
Yeah, because she's been very upfront, like, hey, you know, this is just politics.
00:28:48.337 --> 00:28:52.856
Exactly. She's very open about this being politics and her doing what she has to do.
00:28:54.563 --> 00:28:59.364
So what do they get in exchange? A tall iron cannon.
00:29:01.210 --> 00:29:06.260
And Jack is like, one of those big honking space guns that shoots gold chips out of the sky?
00:29:08.249 --> 00:29:11.024
Yeah, and we've seen that they are very effective.
00:29:11.360 --> 00:29:21.055
Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, meanwhile outside, or afterwards, or kind of meanwhile,
00:29:22.518 --> 00:29:26.784
Nareem joins Teal and Carter, and he looks a little bit concerned.
00:29:29.791 --> 00:29:33.559
He also explains he doesn't know more than what he said in the message.
00:29:36.351 --> 00:29:39.437
But I got the feeling, and I don't know if it was the same with you,
00:29:39.437 --> 00:29:43.265
that Nareem doesn't fully believe Omok died of Artec.
00:29:44.582 --> 00:29:49.679
At this point. I mean, later it's clear. But at this point, I'm like,
00:29:49.679 --> 00:29:52.663
I think he suspects there's more to that story.
00:29:53.917 --> 00:30:01.916
Yeah, I
was picking up on that too. Like, to him, everything around what happened with Omar's death.
00:30:02.618 --> 00:30:04.557
And then what he's learned.
00:30:07.829 --> 00:30:08.532
You said Omar.
00:30:09.389 --> 00:30:10.589
I did. You're right. I did.
00:30:11.557 --> 00:30:11.889
Omar.
00:30:11.889 --> 00:30:14.089
Hey, at least I'm on brand.
00:30:16.897 --> 00:30:22.369
yeah anyhow just yet with with the death and everything that's transpired since then um,
00:30:24.067 --> 00:30:29.889
he he is i almost called him neville so i just didn't even say any um nareem,
00:30:31.109 --> 00:30:41.129
yeah nareem neville the third he he's not he's not buying that this is all um what it seems Yeah.
00:30:41.129 --> 00:30:46.249
Exactly. Yeah, there's something going on, and he knows something is going on,
00:30:46.249 --> 00:30:48.024
he just doesn't know yet what.
00:30:49.749 --> 00:30:52.906
Jack and Daniel returned to report what Travelle told him.
00:30:53.910 --> 00:30:59.344
And Nareem there is completely shocked. He's like, this goes against everything we believe in.
00:31:01.389 --> 00:31:05.389
They've had bad, and we know that, right? They told that, I think Omaka even
00:31:05.389 --> 00:31:12.329
told that story. He said that they shared tech with more, what he calls,
00:31:12.329 --> 00:31:14.023
more privative societies.
00:31:14.975 --> 00:31:20.467
Yeah. And Jack is like, hey, come on. We're not that standing right here.
00:31:22.028 --> 00:31:27.929
Yeah. And it backfired. And Nareem's like, if you use the wrong way,
00:31:27.929 --> 00:31:31.499
this iron cannon could lead you to disaster.
00:31:31.499 --> 00:31:34.629
And he's absolutely right. I mean, just think about it. What would happen?
00:31:34.629 --> 00:31:37.748
and like take today's world, right?
00:31:38.619 --> 00:31:40.871
And now insert a singular.
00:31:42.184 --> 00:31:45.946
alien superweapon. Which it is, right?
00:31:46.549 --> 00:31:50.195
And only one government controls that because, of course, that's how it would work.
00:31:50.381 --> 00:31:53.527
Exactly. And we get to that in a second.
00:31:55.901 --> 00:31:59.262
Because Carter, when we go to the exposition room, will explain why.
00:31:59.657 --> 00:32:03.733
But just think about that until then. It's clear, like, yeah,
00:32:04.053 --> 00:32:08.009
this could be a disaster because there would be a fight over that technology.
00:32:08.334 --> 00:32:11.603
Yeah. It would destabilize,
00:32:13.673 --> 00:32:15.742
whatever modicum of world peace we have.
00:32:17.453 --> 00:32:21.923
So with that, we go to the exposition room as I said. And Carter explains that
00:32:21.923 --> 00:32:23.584
they can't even mass produce the weapon.
00:32:25.221 --> 00:32:28.176
So basically they can't place the cannon anywhere useful.
00:32:30.916 --> 00:32:33.933
Because, I mean, one, they would need more to protect Earth,
00:32:33.933 --> 00:32:38.706
but also like, it's a singular weapon. And like, where do you put it?
00:32:40.373 --> 00:32:44.563
If you put it in us somewhere or you put it in whatever china whatever i mean
00:32:44.563 --> 00:32:49.353
one it doesn't protect much and two whoever owns it and controls it they have
00:32:49.353 --> 00:32:52.452
a lot of power and the others would certainly react to that,
00:32:54.768 --> 00:32:58.703
so she says at this point one iron cannon is likely to cause more harm than
00:32:58.703 --> 00:33:04.601
good so so how do you want how much do you need or how many do you then she says,
00:33:06.342 --> 00:33:09.518
A minimum of 38, not including any backups.
00:33:11.242 --> 00:33:14.371
But with 38, they could basically protect us.
00:33:15.520 --> 00:33:20.379
Right? Which you have to. I mean, it's a ball in space. It's three-dimensional.
00:33:21.819 --> 00:33:25.923
Yes. Yeah, all the space battles may appear two-dimensional.
00:33:26.490 --> 00:33:27.606
May appear, but they're not.
00:33:28.169 --> 00:33:29.080
But they are not.
00:33:29.080 --> 00:33:35.274
They are not. So Carter also mentions Nerem's concerns, right?
00:33:36.270 --> 00:33:40.230
And Jack also thinks something else is going on. I mean, he is smart enough
00:33:40.230 --> 00:33:45.631
and he's dealt with enough political players and intrigues and shit over time.
00:33:46.821 --> 00:33:49.421
He has a pretty good sense of, okay, something is going on.
00:33:51.070 --> 00:33:52.492
So Hammond is like...
00:33:55.499 --> 00:34:00.843
I mean, it's a weapon, right? So we have to continue. But be careful.
00:34:03.824 --> 00:34:07.704
And Hammond takes Jack aside and says, he starts like, Colonel,
00:34:08.464 --> 00:34:09.533
under the circumstances.
00:34:10.056 --> 00:34:14.456
And Jack is like, if you're going to recommend that I continue to be suspicious and skeptical.
00:34:15.077 --> 00:34:16.911
And Hammond's like, I wouldn't waste my time.
00:34:18.904 --> 00:34:23.614
Because he knows that. Good thinking. Hammond is like, remember,
00:34:23.614 --> 00:34:25.990
this deal could change the course of our history.
00:34:26.884 --> 00:34:30.454
So, Jack says, don't blow it up. Don't blow it.
00:34:32.167 --> 00:34:38.544
Yeah, okay. Now, at this point, I'm thinking, why haven't they sent in the SG
00:34:38.544 --> 00:34:41.333
team that specializes in political...
00:34:42.064 --> 00:34:44.595
Yeah. I mean, that's their job.
00:34:45.135 --> 00:34:54.534
I mean, yes, and I think, I mean, Travell clearly wanted to negotiate with SG-1. She asked for him.
00:34:56.343 --> 00:34:59.884
Yeah, that's true. I think that... And Jack is capable of doing that.
00:35:00.664 --> 00:35:03.977
He might not be the most diplomatic person, but he's not bad.
00:35:05.928 --> 00:35:07.013
So,
00:35:09.202 --> 00:35:13.311
Hammond is like, what you're sensing as trouble could be simple internal political wrangling.
00:35:14.873 --> 00:35:20.474
Or, well, or we could be walking into a minefield. Right?
00:35:20.474 --> 00:35:24.167
Yeah, I mean, Hammond's making it clear he understands.
00:35:24.579 --> 00:35:25.164
It's complex.
00:35:25.924 --> 00:35:26.884
It's complicated.
00:35:27.404 --> 00:35:31.274
And O'Neill says, Thank you, sir. Those little shots of ours always bring me
00:35:31.274 --> 00:35:33.437
great joy and serve to ease my mind.
00:35:33.832 --> 00:35:37.425
And of course, it's dripping with sarcasm and Hammer knows it, of course.
00:35:38.006 --> 00:35:39.604
Yes. Yep.
00:35:42.261 --> 00:35:42.444
Yeah.
00:35:42.764 --> 00:35:43.753
So off they go.
00:35:43.921 --> 00:35:49.976
Off they go. Back to Talano. Outside, Nareem intercepts SG-1 on the way to Travelle.
00:35:51.299 --> 00:35:53.412
And he says, It is much worse than I thought.
00:35:56.556 --> 00:36:01.526
But he's not just concerned about the weapons. I think Jack surmised that he
00:36:01.526 --> 00:36:03.166
was concerned about this weapons exchange.
00:36:03.166 --> 00:36:07.586
And it's like, every tollen has a small implant that monitors the health.
00:36:07.586 --> 00:36:13.536
However, I'm overseer of Omok's personal property, including this device which
00:36:13.536 --> 00:36:15.040
contains his health records.
00:36:15.952 --> 00:36:21.066
After our last conversation, I decided to do some checking. Omok died of a heart attack.
00:36:22.552 --> 00:36:26.157
despite the fact that Omak looked as if he was under great stress,
00:36:26.500 --> 00:36:29.976
he too was in perfect health. I think Nareemit mentioned that he's in perfect
00:36:29.976 --> 00:36:31.132
health because Carter asked.
00:36:33.274 --> 00:36:36.336
Our implants are linked to a central system. If anything goes wrong,
00:36:36.336 --> 00:36:38.440
health officers are dispatched immediately.
00:36:39.456 --> 00:36:42.063
Maximum response time is under five minutes.
00:36:43.224 --> 00:36:48.826
The night of Omak's death, it took them over ten. That just doesn't happen.
00:36:50.027 --> 00:36:57.776
like their system is perfect he says that doesn't happen so result he believes Omak was murdered.
00:37:00.085 --> 00:37:03.800
And this seems like a reasonable assumption with everything we know.
00:37:04.009 --> 00:37:07.068
With everything we know. And as I said, I think we suspect it already.
00:37:07.794 --> 00:37:10.075
It's just too convenient. Just too convenient.
00:37:10.633 --> 00:37:11.213
Mm-hmm.
00:37:12.450 --> 00:37:15.021
So Daniel has brought the first bit of trinium.
00:37:17.710 --> 00:37:21.720
But he asked, like, what will it be used for? Good question.
00:37:21.720 --> 00:37:23.705
Like, do you want to know?
00:37:24.019 --> 00:37:28.800
Like, are they going to build weapons of mass destruction or something? like.
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:30.161
That could possibly happen.
00:37:30.323 --> 00:37:32.854
Yeah exactly like the talent needed those right,
00:37:35.950 --> 00:37:40.800
and she says trinium is combined with a number of elements to create a compound
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:43.053
that is used in various talent
technologies,
00:37:45.149 --> 00:37:47.970
says absolutely nothing yeah,
00:37:51.104 --> 00:37:56.420
yes yeah but it's a very political way of saying it.
00:37:57.430 --> 00:37:58.331
I'm not going to tell you.
00:37:58.511 --> 00:37:59.462
Of not saying anything.
00:38:02.130 --> 00:38:07.503
So, it's a really funny scene. Jack and Daniel kind of, they're kind of like,
00:38:09.191 --> 00:38:12.640
they don't want to say they need 38, but they kind of want to ask for 38,
00:38:12.640 --> 00:38:16.807
so they're kind of dancing around that topic a little bit and then finally they ask for 38.
00:38:18.323 --> 00:38:22.044
And she doesn't shut it down. She's like, oh no, we're giving you one and that's it. She's like,
00:38:24.058 --> 00:38:26.547
Let me think about that. Let me talk to the Korean.
00:38:27.791 --> 00:38:34.669
And at this point, there should be, like, red alert lights flashing for Jack and Daniel.
00:38:35.001 --> 00:38:39.487
Yeah. They just asked for the impossible, and she was like, yeah,
00:38:39.487 --> 00:38:41.722
we can talk about that, basically.
00:38:43.365 --> 00:38:48.416
Yeah. I mean, as soon as she said that, I'm like, oh, yeah, this does not end well.
00:38:48.659 --> 00:38:55.194
Yeah. So, we had a little surprise here. I love this scene. So,
00:38:57.427 --> 00:39:03.652
I think it's Nareem, Carter, and Teal'c. And Teal'c. They go to Nareem's house.
00:39:05.086 --> 00:39:07.697
Oh, that's right. I texted you during this scene.
00:39:07.697 --> 00:39:12.435
Yes. And it has a voice. And it's Carter's voice.
00:39:12.772 --> 00:39:13.509
Yeah.
00:39:13.811 --> 00:39:14.647
Of course it is.
00:39:16.156 --> 00:39:22.849
And Carter's like, what the hell? I'm paraphrasing, but that's what she's saying.
00:39:24.132 --> 00:39:24.637
Yeah.
00:39:24.637 --> 00:39:28.587
And he says, oh, I was hoping you wouldn't notice that.
00:39:29.187 --> 00:39:33.717
How could she not notice hearing her own voice as the voice assistant?
00:39:33.717 --> 00:39:36.987
Or the others. Like, I mean, Tealik also would have noticed.
00:39:37.607 --> 00:39:37.947
Right.
00:39:38.347 --> 00:39:41.517
Yeah, he's not. I mean, he might have not said anything because Christopher
00:39:41.517 --> 00:39:42.842
Judge doesn't get lines. But yeah.
00:39:44.807 --> 00:39:48.367
So where do they find proof that Omak was murdered, right? I mean,
00:39:48.367 --> 00:39:50.875
so far they have suspicions, but they have no proof.
00:39:52.552 --> 00:39:56.037
It's all circumstantial. Like, oh, it took 10 minutes for them to get there.
00:39:56.037 --> 00:39:58.125
Well, it can be explained away.
00:39:59.420 --> 00:40:00.627
It's just circumstantial.
00:40:02.496 --> 00:40:02.903
Yeah.
00:40:03.135 --> 00:40:06.867
And Noreen doesn't know where to start. The fact is there hasn't been a murder
00:40:06.867 --> 00:40:09.207
amongst the Tollens for as long as I can remember.
00:40:10.420 --> 00:40:13.477
Doesn't mean there's no crimes. And he says so, like,
oh, there have been crimes
00:40:13.477 --> 00:40:18.495
of indiscretion, but nothing ever approaching the severity of murder.
00:40:19.290 --> 00:40:23.621
Our security system prevents it, which is why I was reluctant to even suggest it.
00:40:26.814 --> 00:40:30.471
That makes their society perfect for murder.
00:40:31.001 --> 00:40:34.523
Yeah, exactly. Because it never happened. So nobody would notice if it happens, right? Yeah.
00:40:35.969 --> 00:40:39.471
Nobody would even think about it would happen. So yeah, Carter has a point.
00:40:39.471 --> 00:40:44.241
He's like, but I mean, you know, crimes of passion or murder,
00:40:44.581 --> 00:40:49.917
like for other motives, you could understand. But why would the courier want to murder someone?
00:40:51.972 --> 00:40:55.071
So Graham's like, well, we should look at the courier records.
00:40:55.071 --> 00:40:59.071
and he opens like on his computer and it's like all garbage.
00:40:59.762 --> 00:41:02.775
And Carter's like, can you translate that? And he's like, yeah, sure.
00:41:03.535 --> 00:41:06.362
So he presses a button and we get a screen.
00:41:07.512 --> 00:41:11.261
There was some funny stuff on there. Like it's hard to read in the low quality
00:41:11.661 --> 00:41:17.758
SD video, but there's one that I found in the notes that someone had deciphered.
00:41:19.481 --> 00:41:19.901
It says,
00:41:21.921 --> 00:41:24.571
the meeting headlines, so it's the meeting headlines for the Korean.
00:41:24.571 --> 00:41:28.863
And one is like, should earthworms be genetically engineered to live on Tolana?
00:41:34.012 --> 00:41:35.747
Well, then they'd be Tolana worms.
00:41:35.863 --> 00:41:37.152
Yeah, exactly.
00:41:39.445 --> 00:41:42.761
But I thought that was hilarious. Like the stuff they sneak in there.
00:41:42.761 --> 00:41:47.131
I mean, it's like the keyboard we've had where they changed all the buttons
00:41:47.131 --> 00:41:51.524
to say, what was it? Alex is a dick or something. Alex sucks dicks or something like that.
00:41:52.029 --> 00:41:57.011
They changed all the keys around. Shit like that. They always have like little
00:41:57.011 --> 00:41:58.850
things that if you pause or the,
00:42:02.124 --> 00:42:07.761
like Peter DeLauise showing up as an alien or as a Russian and stuff like that,
00:42:08.541 --> 00:42:10.321
in documents, like shit like that.
00:42:10.321 --> 00:42:11.271
Yep. Yep.
00:42:11.271 --> 00:42:12.347
Yeah. Yeah.
00:42:14.801 --> 00:42:21.368
So, meanwhile, outside, Jack and Daniel are convinced something is fishy.
00:42:22.935 --> 00:42:25.228
so they have to continue um,
00:42:28.055 --> 00:42:33.221
they're basically talking. It's like, okay, like something is going on very clearly now.
00:42:33.866 --> 00:42:36.757
It's fishy, like right, the way she reacted what you just said.
00:42:37.314 --> 00:42:38.887
But they still don't know anything.
00:42:39.800 --> 00:42:42.640
And Jack is like, well, all we know is that these people might be willing to
00:42:42.640 --> 00:42:45.880
port with some very powerful weapons and I have no problem with that.
00:42:46.582 --> 00:42:49.920
Well, he's a military person. Of course not. He's like, give me the weapons.
00:42:50.948 --> 00:42:52.393
But it does not make sense.
00:42:54.256 --> 00:42:57.414
And so we push on blindly then.
00:42:58.488 --> 00:43:05.870
right continue the negotiations and jack is like blindly yes but we still have
00:43:05.870 --> 00:43:07.782
our slightly heightened sense of smell.
00:43:09.879 --> 00:43:10.960
Which is funny.
00:43:11.320 --> 00:43:14.740
And uh and also.
00:43:15.120 --> 00:43:20.120
I think a subtle way of saying yeah be careful something here stinks.
00:43:20.780 --> 00:43:23.862
I mean, we know that. Something stinks a lot.
00:43:27.995 --> 00:43:30.323
And they get summoned back to Travelle because she's ready.
00:43:32.900 --> 00:43:38.710
Carter and Nareem are researching together while Teal'c is standing somewhere
00:43:38.710 --> 00:43:40.178
in the corner doing his own thing.
00:43:40.654 --> 00:43:46.285
He's also ready. And Jack and Daniel show up and we learn that,
00:43:46.779 --> 00:43:51.759
and Nareem could believe it that the courier accepted the request they're like yeah 38 sure.
00:43:52.926 --> 00:43:55.080
And he's like what the hell.
00:43:55.440 --> 00:44:01.012
Yeah like just like that they're like yeah sure 138 okay i'm gonna have 38 not a problem,
00:44:02.777 --> 00:44:07.700
um till in the meanwhile because he is doing his job while carter and narim
00:44:07.700 --> 00:44:12.940
are kind of more flirting than actually researching um found something he's
00:44:12.940 --> 00:44:14.997
like this says that two months ago,
00:44:15.531 --> 00:44:19.426
there was an unscheduled test of torn iron cannons.
00:44:20.331 --> 00:44:22.050
And that OMOC filed an official protest.
00:44:24.237 --> 00:44:25.340
Curious.
00:44:25.625 --> 00:44:30.335
Curious. And Nareem's like, yeah, I remember it well. We were supposed to have
00:44:30.335 --> 00:44:34.146
an evening meal together. Omak was late, but he was very angry when he arrived.
00:44:34.709 --> 00:44:40.502
He spent the entire time ranting about the unfairness of random testing on the Tolan people.
00:44:41.593 --> 00:44:45.587
Also kind of a random thing to be complaining about.
00:44:46.376 --> 00:44:46.992
Mm-hmm.
00:44:51.932 --> 00:44:56.365
So, but there's a problem with that. The record says that the meeting concluded
00:44:56.365 --> 00:44:59.281
in the afternoon, but Nareem knows it was late in the evening,
00:44:59.763 --> 00:45:00.883
right? Because it was late for dinner.
00:45:01.289 --> 00:45:05.039
And apparently they're not the type of people that go to dinner at like 4.30.
00:45:08.476 --> 00:45:11.725
and Carter's like Nareem if the Korea can commit murder they could certainly
00:45:11.725 --> 00:45:13.874
erase a couple of hours from the public record,
00:45:15.279 --> 00:45:20.806
and Nareem always the law abiding
citizen says no you don't understand our laws,
00:45:21.543 --> 00:45:26.345
for the highest members of our government to deceive the people as strange as it may sound,
00:45:27.845 --> 00:45:34.335
is even more heinous crime than murder it is unthinkable at the time I thought
00:45:34.335 --> 00:45:38.202
it was strange that Omak would be so upset over an iron cannon test.
00:45:41.100 --> 00:45:43.607
Yeah. So, put two and two together.
00:45:45.291 --> 00:45:47.027
And, yeah.
00:45:47.677 --> 00:45:50.997
So, they speculate a little bit like, it's like, why is the protest in there
00:45:50.997 --> 00:45:54.695
then, right? It's weird. Like, if they want to hide things, then hide everything.
00:45:56.222 --> 00:45:57.679
The protest doesn't make sense.
00:46:00.326 --> 00:46:00.715
And.
00:46:01.104 --> 00:46:05.077
Well, except that there's no way to scrub that from the records.
00:46:05.077 --> 00:46:10.817
Yeah, because protests get filed with all levels of, basically all levels of
00:46:10.817 --> 00:46:12.969
all areas of the government.
00:46:13.915 --> 00:46:16.231
It's like a broadcast. Everybody gets the protest.
00:46:17.671 --> 00:46:18.582
The protest email.
00:46:20.087 --> 00:46:23.847
So whatever happened at the time missing from the records, it could be why Ombach
00:46:23.847 --> 00:46:26.460
was killed. Well, good guess.
00:46:27.696 --> 00:46:28.944
Yeah, seems reasonable.
00:46:31.167 --> 00:46:32.897
But now we have more to unpack, I believe.
00:46:32.897 --> 00:46:34.648
Yes. So we go to the exposition room.
00:46:38.770 --> 00:46:43.567
Hammond summarizes, so as far as you've told me, there seems to be an evil conspiracy
00:46:43.567 --> 00:46:46.177
among Tolong Korea, whose apparent
00:46:46.177 --> 00:46:49.631
goal is to give us everything we ever wanted. That makes no sense.
00:46:51.204 --> 00:46:52.359
No, it does not.
00:46:53.370 --> 00:46:57.224
And what do they want with the Trinium? Well, nobody knows.
00:46:59.546 --> 00:47:04.533
Yeah, and I believe this is where Sam comes up with a really clever idea.
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:07.117
for figuring out what they're doing with the trinium.
00:47:07.117 --> 00:47:11.647
Yeah, she's like, okay, we'll tag it. If they detect it, we'll say,
00:47:11.647 --> 00:47:15.427
oh, yeah, it's just a byproduct of our purification process and we couldn't,
00:47:15.747 --> 00:47:17.605
that can't be, can't be helped.
00:47:21.611 --> 00:47:23.980
And hopefully they'll buy that.
00:47:25.297 --> 00:47:27.925
Yeah, I mean, for them, it's probably not a big deal. They can just remove it.
00:47:29.365 --> 00:47:33.620
So, apparently that happens because I'm in Greece. And we go to Noreem's house.
00:47:34.961 --> 00:47:37.562
And they're tracking the Trinium. Where is it going?
00:47:39.071 --> 00:47:42.465
Noreem is kind of all over the place. Because on the one hand,
00:47:42.465 --> 00:47:44.609
he's kind of concerned he's involved in treason now.
00:47:45.625 --> 00:47:47.639
But he's also concerned about what's going on.
00:47:49.085 --> 00:47:50.385
Which could also be treason.
00:47:50.652 --> 00:47:56.364
But not on his part not on his part yeah so Carter is like I want to get into
00:47:56.498 --> 00:48:02.035
a Trevelt's computer because if there's information available it's probably
00:48:02.035 --> 00:48:05.292
there and Nareem you have to help,
00:48:07.265 --> 00:48:08.225
and Nareem's like.
00:48:08.225 --> 00:48:08.885
I don't wanna.
00:48:09.345 --> 00:48:14.065
I don't wanna I'm playing by the rules it's like can't we go to the security
00:48:14.065 --> 00:48:17.692
services and ask them to investigate and all that.
00:48:19.758 --> 00:48:22.945
As they're talking, he's realizing that's pointless because if the courier is
00:48:22.945 --> 00:48:25.453
behind it, the security services will not do anything.
00:48:28.805 --> 00:48:31.994
And then Daniel mentions that Traval turned off the recording in her office.
00:48:33.143 --> 00:48:35.565
And he's outraged. And Jareem's like, what?
00:48:35.565 --> 00:48:40.167
Yeah, because that is simply unheard of. And he's like, okay, I'll help.
00:48:41.520 --> 00:48:44.382
And he has a solution because he has OMOC's security code.
00:48:45.839 --> 00:48:49.365
And OMOC, of course, as being one of the couriers, He's one of the few people
00:48:49.365 --> 00:48:51.522
who could get into the office and get to the computer.
00:48:53.240 --> 00:48:56.615
So hopefully his codes haven't been deactivated now that he's dead.
00:48:56.615 --> 00:49:01.455
Yeah. We'll see. So Daniel and Carter will go with Noreem to Turnwell's office.
00:49:01.455 --> 00:49:04.885
And Teleg and Jack will try to track the turn. Makes sense.
00:49:05.907 --> 00:49:06.243
Yeah.
00:49:07.218 --> 00:49:10.855
So, and then Jack is like, um, that thing that lets you go through the walls,
00:49:10.855 --> 00:49:13.964
right? And he points, like, at Noreem's arm. Like, yeah, like,
00:49:14.068 --> 00:49:15.450
got a couple extra laying around.
00:49:16.141 --> 00:49:19.415
Oh, and weapons. And Nareem's like, oh, Nareem's again like,
00:49:19.415 --> 00:49:22.102
oh, the rules and blah, and he's like, oh, and weapons.
00:49:26.625 --> 00:49:31.227
Jack does point out to him, beyond that.
00:49:32.125 --> 00:49:37.605
I mean, that isn't exactly what he says, but he lets Nareem know it's a little
00:49:37.605 --> 00:49:38.955
late to be worried about that.
00:49:38.955 --> 00:49:39.592
Yeah, exactly.
00:49:42.082 --> 00:49:48.189
So, we go to Treveld's office. And they're in, like, they approach the door,
00:49:48.189 --> 00:49:49.826
and they're like, okay, here goes nothing.
00:49:50.157 --> 00:49:52.676
Either it works, or we get arrested.
00:49:54.876 --> 00:49:57.209
They could still get arrested, even if it works.
00:49:57.209 --> 00:49:58.529
Well, true, true, true.
00:49:58.849 --> 00:50:01.259
That's a problem for a later scene.
00:50:01.259 --> 00:50:04.367
Yes. So, it works. They're in.
00:50:05.232 --> 00:50:10.069
So, he goes to the computer, and he activates it. and he finds out that there
00:50:10.069 --> 00:50:14.419
was a private communication sent to our chief of science and technology after
00:50:14.419 --> 00:50:19.356
the meeting, and this was no random ion cannon test.
00:50:21.309 --> 00:50:26.014
It says a gold ship entered the orbit and that the ion cannon fired in defense.
00:50:27.673 --> 00:50:30.727
And Daniel says, ineffectively...
00:50:33.234 --> 00:50:36.118
Yeah, and it turns out, yeah, it was not effective.
00:50:36.518 --> 00:50:41.837
Yeah, so that ship has a new shield. The car's like, that makes no sense.
00:50:42.633 --> 00:50:45.947
Despite resisting your attack, the ship left peacefully.
00:50:47.878 --> 00:50:52.678
And this is the point where I'm like, okay. The gold are involved.
00:50:52.678 --> 00:50:55.038
They just laid it all out in front of us.
00:50:55.878 --> 00:51:01.725
The Tolan Curia struck a deal with the gold to not be attacked.
00:51:02.778 --> 00:51:07.358
and the trinium is part of that. Yeah, it's like all the pieces.
00:51:07.358 --> 00:51:11.308
We don't know yet, but somehow the trinium is part of that. So there's no other
00:51:11.308 --> 00:51:16.064
records. So everything that happens after was all off the record. They were pretty good.
00:51:17.735 --> 00:51:20.908
Which also explains why the Curious OK was giving away so many weapons because
00:51:20.908 --> 00:51:22.138
they're just useless now.
00:51:22.738 --> 00:51:23.552
They're junk now.
00:51:23.802 --> 00:51:27.468
Yeah, I mean, against the Golda, at least. They might still be worth something
00:51:27.468 --> 00:51:32.357
against others, but as far as we know, the Golda are one of the few that would be a risk,
00:51:34.591 --> 00:51:41.508
so Jack and Teal'c have tracked down the trinium they're like in a hallway there's
00:51:41.508 --> 00:51:45.358
a funny scene where they have to hold hands to go through oh yeah.
00:51:48.218 --> 00:51:56.518
Teal'c's like you are aware we will have to hold hands for this to work and Jack's like yeah I know.
00:51:58.943 --> 00:52:01.518
Yeah, and then Tilk holds up his hand like that.
00:52:05.618 --> 00:52:08.768
Like they're going out onto a formal dance floor.
00:52:08.768 --> 00:52:14.750
Yeah, exactly. Something like that. So they go through the wall,
00:52:14.983 --> 00:52:23.588
and there's a big room with weird-looking devices, little egg-shaped, and the place is big.
00:52:23.588 --> 00:52:25.871
So whatever they are, they have a lot of them.
00:52:28.169 --> 00:52:31.414
Okay, what I thought was weird is they're in this place, they're just talking,
00:52:31.414 --> 00:52:36.684
they're out in the open, and way in the background, you see people walking around.
00:52:38.284 --> 00:52:39.504
Why did they do that?
00:52:40.184 --> 00:52:41.514
Yeah, of course they could.
00:52:44.764 --> 00:52:49.781
So, meanwhile, in Trembelt's office, they watch a video of a massive
explosion.
00:52:50.088 --> 00:52:57.757
That explosion is, by the way, reused footage from another episode from Chain Reaction.
00:52:58.947 --> 00:52:59.812
Oh, no kidding.
00:53:00.003 --> 00:53:06.754
Yeah. See, it's the explosion from doing the testing of the NACWADA-enhanced nuclear warhead.
00:53:07.387 --> 00:53:12.542
I mean, now that you say it, yes, I remember the scene.
00:53:12.890 --> 00:53:13.164
Yeah.
00:53:13.164 --> 00:53:17.180
But didn't catch that watching it.
00:53:18.051 --> 00:53:24.964
Yeah. So, yeah. And Noremus reads, trinium is required to house...
00:53:26.484 --> 00:53:29.374
So, there was the question, right? What's the trinium for, right?
00:53:29.374 --> 00:53:30.647
For the explosion, you don't need that.
00:53:32.905 --> 00:53:35.920
But he's like, well, training is required to house any device that generates
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:37.131
our face shift technology.
00:53:37.914 --> 00:53:43.708
And Daniel's like, are you saying this bomb is being made so it can go through anything?
00:53:45.072 --> 00:53:47.620
And Rame is like, well, theoretically, yes.
00:53:48.390 --> 00:53:50.889
Of course, that must be it. That would be an incredibly useful weapon.
00:53:52.410 --> 00:53:56.010
But he still believes in the good of the crew.
00:53:56.370 --> 00:54:00.370
Because it's like, this weapon is intended to replace the iron cannon in defense of our planet.
00:54:00.370 --> 00:54:05.410
I'm like, how does a massive explosion that can go through anything aid in that
00:54:05.410 --> 00:54:09.070
right if you're coming with ships what are they going to do I don't know shoot
00:54:09.070 --> 00:54:12.442
those things up okay could be but I think he's a bit naive here,
00:54:13.950 --> 00:54:18.260
I agree yeah and Carter agrees too because he's like sorry Nareem that just
00:54:18.260 --> 00:54:22.600
doesn't end up a gole world would never drop by just so you could check out
00:54:22.600 --> 00:54:23.750
his new shield technology and
00:54:23.750 --> 00:54:26.454
then go away and give your people time to build a weapon to penetrate it,
00:54:27.703 --> 00:54:29.640
yeah that's Yeah.
00:54:29.640 --> 00:54:32.670
That's not how it works. There's a deal that happened here.
00:54:33.050 --> 00:54:40.290
Yes. And we learn about it in a second, because with that, Travelle comes in
00:54:40.290 --> 00:54:42.310
with a lot of security people. They've been caught.
00:54:44.763 --> 00:54:50.990
Uh-oh. Uh-oh. And as if that wasn't bad enough, she reveals the person they
00:54:50.990 --> 00:54:53.819
made a deal with, which is none other than Tanit.
00:54:54.626 --> 00:55:04.730
The guy that, Tanit, whatever, the guy that escaped the death or the explosion of Apophis' ships.
00:55:07.330 --> 00:55:09.133
And killed Teal'c's love.
00:55:09.255 --> 00:55:11.260
Exactly. And Teal'c is very angry
00:55:11.260 --> 00:55:16.232
about and he says, she is doing what she must to preserve your world.
00:55:17.498 --> 00:55:18.889
She has that to Noreen.
00:55:21.195 --> 00:55:24.809
Meanwhile, in Arim's house, Jack returns. And of course, they have guards,
00:55:24.809 --> 00:55:26.768
right? I mean, they're looking for him now.
00:55:28.613 --> 00:55:33.269
But it's Jack alone. So Teok shoots one of them down, Jack the other. Problem solved.
00:55:34.685 --> 00:55:35.569
Problem solved.
00:55:35.569 --> 00:55:41.401
Yeah. So isn't Tanit supposed to be dead? And he's like, no,
00:55:41.512 --> 00:55:44.078
took an escape pod and then whatever.
00:55:46.079 --> 00:55:51.289
And Marim and Travell exchange some words. where Travelle is defending the courier's
00:55:51.289 --> 00:55:54.921
decision and Nareem thinks the people would rather fight than die.
00:55:55.687 --> 00:56:00.479
So there's a fundamental, as usual, the political side is only thinking about
00:56:00.479 --> 00:56:01.633
basically their own good.
00:56:03.099 --> 00:56:06.649
Pretending to be concerned about their citizens but really just thinking about
00:56:06.649 --> 00:56:07.739
their own power and their own good.
00:56:08.041 --> 00:56:11.814
Whereas the people might have a different opinion on what they would do.
00:56:12.081 --> 00:56:13.341
They can forgive them the choice.
00:56:14.043 --> 00:56:20.090
And I think that's a very safe bet that people would have a different idea about how to deal with this.
00:56:20.334 --> 00:56:27.608
Yes. So, Nareem stages an escape with the hand of his, I call it the bendy device.
00:56:31.973 --> 00:56:35.779
While Carter and Daniel are hit by Taneet's hand device, right?
00:56:35.779 --> 00:56:36.693
Because he's an asshole.
00:56:38.922 --> 00:56:40.559
Yeah. Well, he is.
00:56:40.837 --> 00:56:45.749
Yeah. Outside, Nareem gets grabbed by Tillich and Jack and I'm like,
00:56:45.749 --> 00:56:49.435
okay, how did they know if it's coming that way? But okay, Maybe they were just watching everything.
00:56:52.019 --> 00:56:54.996
So Noreem catches them up. What's going on?
00:56:56.970 --> 00:57:00.289
And he's like, there are explosives of great power that utilize the tall phase
00:57:00.289 --> 00:57:04.632
shift technology. They will be able to penetrate any solid matter prior to detonation.
00:57:04.893 --> 00:57:07.279
And Jack is like, like an iris.
00:57:09.137 --> 00:57:10.346
Just like an iris.
00:57:10.346 --> 00:57:12.318
Yeah. And we know where this is going, right?
00:57:12.782 --> 00:57:14.935
We know exactly where this is going.
00:57:15.277 --> 00:57:22.866
Yeah. So in Treveld's office, Treveld orders a guard to use Nareem's health
00:57:22.866 --> 00:57:27.706
implant to find it, which I think someone points out, but it's a violation.
00:57:27.706 --> 00:57:30.213
It's like, don't care. Do it.
00:57:31.247 --> 00:57:37.145
Oh, yeah, that's right. The guard says that's a violation. But yeah, you're right.
00:57:37.534 --> 00:57:37.776
Yeah.
00:57:37.776 --> 00:57:38.706
She forgot about that.
00:57:39.146 --> 00:57:45.086
Yeah, which is pretty spot on. I
mean, that happens in any political, in any country, right?
00:57:46.166 --> 00:57:52.996
Rules are only important as long as they don't prevent the people in power from
00:57:52.996 --> 00:57:53.933
doing what they want to do.
00:57:55.346 --> 00:57:55.848
Yes.
00:57:58.408 --> 00:58:00.686
As long as they don't prevent them from doing what they want to do.
00:58:01.786 --> 00:58:04.306
As long as they benefit the people in power.
00:58:04.306 --> 00:58:08.584
Yeah, that makes sense. And the second they don't, they just don't care about them anymore.
00:58:10.500 --> 00:58:15.329
So, Traveld says to Tani, tell your master we will make a delivery on schedule.
00:58:17.447 --> 00:58:21.841
So they're like, Carter and Daniel, are you your master? And then I think Daniel
00:58:21.841 --> 00:58:23.251
points out, like, yeah, or Carter.
00:58:23.251 --> 00:58:26.471
Like, yeah, of course. I mean, he's not powerful enough. So,
00:58:26.471 --> 00:58:31.191
like, after he escaped, he probably looked for the next best powerful person,
00:58:31.931 --> 00:58:34.473
to align himself with, right?
00:58:36.348 --> 00:58:41.531
So what's his name? And Travelle says, apparently, the one he serves has no
00:58:41.531 --> 00:58:43.773
name. And Tony is like, oh, he has a name.
00:58:44.522 --> 00:58:47.361
the likes of you are simply forbidden to know it.
00:58:48.992 --> 00:58:53.479
So now we know there's another badass gould out there.
00:58:55.711 --> 00:58:59.998
And so we will very likely meet them at some point.
00:59:01.055 --> 00:59:04.543
That is a safe bet. Yes.
00:59:05.373 --> 00:59:11.341
And he then tells Torvalis, like, okay, do whatever you want with these two.
00:59:11.341 --> 00:59:13.812
so he means Daniel and Carter he doesn't care.
00:59:14.386 --> 00:59:16.917
But if you find Teal'c, deliver him to me.
00:59:18.636 --> 00:59:23.797
Yeah. Of course. He wants to get some Teal'c action going on and not in a good way.
00:59:24.041 --> 00:59:29.933
No. So, outside the others are planning to destroy the weapons.
00:59:33.011 --> 00:59:35.912
Nareem is kind of on the fence and I think I agree with him.
00:59:37.831 --> 00:59:43.961
Because Traval told him earlier, it's not it's not so easy to make those kind
00:59:43.961 --> 00:59:46.297
of decisions when you're the one who has to make them,
00:59:48.213 --> 00:59:51.951
and she has a point and he figures it out he's like it's not so easy when the
00:59:51.951 --> 00:59:59.451
fate of your planet is in your own hands the gold will attack Tolana if the
00:59:59.451 --> 01:00:02.968
delivery is not made you are asking me to destroy my own world,
01:00:05.071 --> 01:00:07.809
And that is a very valid point, right?
01:00:07.809 --> 01:00:14.219
That is a tough decision. You're like, okay, I'm going to risk the near certain
01:00:14.219 --> 01:00:19.767
or at least highly likely destruction of my own planet, of my own people, of my life,
01:00:21.212 --> 01:00:23.842
for the greater good of people who
don't even know.
01:00:25.939 --> 01:00:31.119
Which morally, in an abstract way, if you think about it, easy peasy decision,
01:00:31.119 --> 01:00:32.329
right? Yes, of course, we're going to do that.
01:00:33.316 --> 01:00:37.345
but if it's your planet your people yourself not so easy.
01:00:38.691 --> 01:00:43.672
No it is not it i i mean i get why it's not an easy decision.
01:00:43.823 --> 01:00:49.599
Yeah and jack says i i am asking you not to destroy earth and god knows how
01:00:49.599 --> 01:00:54.057
many other planets to save your own ass i'm asking you to do the right thing and you know it,
01:00:55.125 --> 01:00:59.653
yes that is the right answer the moral answer doesn't make it any easier yeah,
01:01:01.760 --> 01:01:02.119
Yeah.
01:01:02.119 --> 01:01:04.669
Doing the right thing isn't always the easy thing.
01:01:05.342 --> 01:01:09.959
Yeah, really it is. So back into Ravel's office, time's up.
01:01:11.799 --> 01:01:15.900
And the first delivery is ready. So she says, okay, we're ready to deliver.
01:01:16.573 --> 01:01:19.239
And Taneed, of course, being the goal world, he is. He's like,
01:01:19.239 --> 01:01:23.519
okay, before we accept it, we will first require a demonstration of the technology
01:01:23.519 --> 01:01:25.426
to ensure that it works as expected.
01:01:26.337 --> 01:01:29.219
You will activate one of these weapons and send it through your Stargate to
01:01:29.219 --> 01:01:31.010
the Tauri. You have 30 minutes.
01:01:32.710 --> 01:01:33.595
As predicted.
01:01:34.498 --> 01:01:38.875
As predicted. But she was not expecting that. And,
01:01:41.595 --> 01:01:42.145
now she's like.
01:01:42.145 --> 01:01:46.415
Oh. No, we'll get to that in a second. Because while this is going on.
01:01:46.415 --> 01:01:48.255
Of course I got ahead. Of course I did.
01:01:48.995 --> 01:01:55.955
You did, but it's only a brief sequence. Because Jack and Teal got back at the weapon storage thing.
01:01:56.355 --> 01:02:00.155
It's a really weird scene, right? Do you think what's going on? Yeah.
01:02:01.555 --> 01:02:02.195
They walk in.
01:02:04.015 --> 01:02:07.765
they're like okay let's open one of them how does it work and Tio figures it
01:02:07.765 --> 01:02:10.435
out and it's like okay and then alarm goes off immediately and they're like
01:02:10.435 --> 01:02:15.475
oh that works and you're like huh? Yeah well,
01:02:17.555 --> 01:02:21.135
yeah in hindsight you know what they were trying to do they were trying to get
01:02:21.135 --> 01:02:28.735
caught but at first sight you're like oh okay weird were they trying to were
01:02:28.735 --> 01:02:31.195
they trying and failing to destroy one don't know.
01:02:32.401 --> 01:02:34.065
Yeah and you know and then.
01:02:34.065 --> 01:02:34.505
There's a whole.
01:02:34.505 --> 01:02:38.275
Thing jack saying do you know what you're doing and.
01:02:38.815 --> 01:02:43.795
Looking back at him and saying nope yeah um i have no idea so uh,
01:02:44.855 --> 01:02:47.965
we go back to his office and this is where the scene you you had and i have
01:02:47.965 --> 01:02:52.815
it in verbatim because it's really good um daniel says to trevall you know exactly
01:02:52.815 --> 01:02:56.318
why you were building these devices and what they would be used for.
01:02:56.951 --> 01:03:01.555
And Carter adds sometimes, you just didn't expect them to make you pull the trigger, right?
01:03:01.555 --> 01:03:05.545
That is always the problem. The people who create them never expect that they
01:03:05.545 --> 01:03:08.015
might be the ones that actually pull the trigger. They're always like,
01:03:08.015 --> 01:03:11.045
okay, someone else will do it. Like, it's not my fault because someone else
01:03:11.045 --> 01:03:12.925
makes a decision. Which is not true.
01:03:15.125 --> 01:03:15.450
Yeah.
01:03:16.785 --> 01:03:19.908
Daniel points out the reasoning behind it.
01:03:20.030 --> 01:03:24.275
The world has no choice. Earth is a protected planet. They can't do it themselves
01:03:24.275 --> 01:03:25.974
without having to deal with the ask card.
01:03:28.343 --> 01:03:28.709
Right?
01:03:31.374 --> 01:03:31.833
But,
01:03:34.114 --> 01:03:35.233
if the Tollens do it.
01:03:35.233 --> 01:03:36.035
That's true.
01:03:37.109 --> 01:03:41.991
It's for a game. Exactly. Jack and Teal got brought in.
01:03:43.135 --> 01:03:44.593
They have plausible deniability.
01:03:44.593 --> 01:03:47.878
Oh, what do they have there? Well, that's Nareem's health implant.
01:03:49.335 --> 01:03:51.099
So Nareem could move freely.
01:03:52.870 --> 01:03:57.729
And outside we see one of the big honking iron cannons.
01:03:58.536 --> 01:04:04.397
activate, turn, fire on the storage facility. There's a little goof in that, that little sequence.
01:04:06.443 --> 01:04:12.363
You see people outside. Either they're added in CGI or they're just students
01:04:12.363 --> 01:04:14.474
that were walking around the campus and nobody cared.
01:04:17.743 --> 01:04:21.504
When a weapon fired at the thing and it blows up, none of them reacts.
01:04:22.823 --> 01:04:28.143
I mean, one, they might have been thrown down by the shockwave but even if they
01:04:28.143 --> 01:04:31.124
didn't they would have run away enough to react,
01:04:32.319 --> 01:04:39.471
so it was probably like stock footage they had that they just added the explosion that's funny,
01:04:42.183 --> 01:04:42.763
that's a little thing.
01:04:45.706 --> 01:04:50.035
So Tramiel rushes out with all the security people and locks them in.
01:04:51.720 --> 01:04:56.885
I think there's a scene where Trinac tries to hit the door, but there's a force
01:04:56.885 --> 01:04:58.541
field on the door. So they're locked in.
01:05:01.435 --> 01:05:04.773
So Nareem walks through the other wall.
01:05:04.883 --> 01:05:07.884
It's like, okay, he has the bendy demise, right? So he can just walk through,
01:05:09.463 --> 01:05:12.615
it. And with that, the goal will start shooting at the planet,
01:05:12.615 -->
01:05:14.795
of course, right? I mean, that's the next thing that's going to happen.
01:05:16.429 --> 01:05:21.935
now all the weapons are destroyed so they can't deliver so the gold will not
01:05:21.935 --> 01:05:26.425
take that positively yeah,
01:05:28.597 --> 01:05:31.535
so they run towards the gate and there is a,
01:05:32.675 --> 01:05:38.695
there's a scene, they're standing there with Nareem briefly talking because
01:05:38.695 --> 01:05:45.083
they want Nareem to go with them and he says no I can't there's a little goof almost.
01:05:45.454 --> 01:05:48.815
In the background, if you pay attention, if the quality is good enough,
01:05:49.762 --> 01:05:55.694
you can see on the wall, there is basically the Simon Fraser University raised letters on the wall.
01:05:59.775 --> 01:06:03.466
Right behind the SD team, basically.
01:06:06.255 --> 01:06:12.885
You can excuse it because in the very low quality that we had back then,
01:06:12.885 --> 01:06:15.244
SD, You barely could tell.
01:06:18.053 --> 01:06:23.092
You could tell if you pause the page attention and were creative enough to interpret
01:06:23.092 --> 01:06:26.822
what was there on the wall, you could tell what it says. But,
01:06:29.502 --> 01:06:32.902
it's faint enough that most people wouldn't even notice.
01:06:33.222 --> 01:06:39.022
It's not in that quality. Today's world, you would probably see CGI or whatever.
01:06:39.022 --> 01:06:41.702
You would remove it. Just digitally remove it after.
01:06:42.306 --> 01:06:46.015
Because in 4K, you would be able to read it properly.
01:06:52.282 --> 01:06:56.332
I wonder if that's why they didn't bother with the people that were walking
01:06:56.332 --> 01:06:58.242
around in the explosion shot.
01:06:59.502 --> 01:07:01.055
No one is going to see them anyhow.
01:07:01.922 --> 01:07:04.302
I mean, sometimes it's also like a matter of,
01:07:06.362 --> 01:07:10.462
investment versus reward. I mean, removing that, in today's world,
01:07:10.462 --> 01:07:13.702
super easy. It takes you whatever, half a millisecond to do it.
01:07:13.702 --> 01:07:15.887
Just tell the AI to just remove that.
01:07:16.942 --> 01:07:20.802
back in the day, probably a little bit more expensive and is it worth it for
01:07:20.802 --> 01:07:24.815
like a one second two second shot? Nah.
01:07:28.588 --> 01:07:35.264
So Noreem says, my actions have forced my people to find a battle we may very well lose.
01:07:36.181 --> 01:07:38.526
The least I can do is stay and fight with them.
01:07:39.850 --> 01:07:44.432
And we get a I think the others rush away and we get a meaningful moment of
01:07:44.432 --> 01:07:46.142
eye contact between Carter and Rheem.
01:07:46.182 --> 01:07:49.834
I mean, they know they might not see each other again.
01:07:51.854 --> 01:07:52.690
Very clear.
01:07:54.751 --> 01:07:57.890
Yeah, and then Carter runs off towards the gate that we've never seen.
01:08:02.360 --> 01:08:05.292
So you would think this is the end, but there's one more scene.
01:08:11.939 --> 01:08:12.878
In the exposition room.
01:08:12.878 --> 01:08:16.096
Oh, right, yeah. We get our little denouement scene.
01:08:16.275 --> 01:08:19.188
So it looks like the gold didn't get any weapons.
01:08:19.188 --> 01:08:20.926
Of course it's in the exposition room.
01:08:21.454 --> 01:08:22.487
Well, it looks like it.
01:08:25.593 --> 01:08:31.090
And the gold also don't share technology. So whatever Tanit has in that shield,
01:08:31.542 --> 01:08:33.562
only him and his boss have.
01:08:34.765 --> 01:08:37.335
Which is a slightly positive thing.
01:08:39.937 --> 01:08:43.460
And Hammond says I suppose we have to rest assured that Whoever it is,
01:08:43.762 --> 01:08:48.081
they are still afraid Of confronting the Asgard, or they would have Attacked Earth themselves,
01:08:50.605 --> 01:08:56.338
Well, that's a good thing For now, right? I mean We don't know how long that's gonna last And.
01:08:56.698 --> 01:08:57.750
That seems reasonable.
01:08:58.912 --> 01:09:03.723
So, we get an incoming call On the Tolland line Yeah,
01:09:06.604 --> 01:09:10.438
Yes Yes. And it's a bit garbled, but it's clearly in a ream.
01:09:10.438 --> 01:09:11.158
Tall in line one.
01:09:11.158 --> 01:09:13.888
We only get parts of it. It's like, oh, defenses are failing.
01:09:13.888 --> 01:09:16.297
Ships are attempting to escape, are being shut down.
01:09:17.296 --> 01:09:19.461
And he says, I just wanted to know that.
01:09:22.289 --> 01:09:25.823
And then it cuts out. We don't know what he wanted them to know.
01:09:26.473 --> 01:09:29.748
And then it cuts out. So we don't know. It was a pleasure to have met them.
01:09:29.748 --> 01:09:37.880
I guess. And that's it. And we get sad faces all around the controlled room. as we fade to black.
01:09:41.895 --> 01:09:42.252
So,
01:09:45.903 --> 01:09:51.139
before we talk about what your thoughts are, I want to jump you to your predictions real quick.
01:09:53.593 --> 01:09:57.755
So, you said S21 is on a planet where they have to try and stay alive while
01:09:57.755 --> 01:09:59.816
dealing with two life-threatening issues.
01:10:01.523 --> 01:10:06.415
Nah, not really. One is a natural disaster of some sort, a volcano.
01:10:06.455 --> 01:10:09.805
know but they also have to deal with the second threat either the people of
01:10:09.805 --> 01:10:11.397
the planet or gold in jeffa in,
01:10:14.395 --> 01:10:20.055
a way maybe it's a stretch in a way i mean the people on the planet yeah a little
01:10:20.055 --> 01:10:26.015
bit it's a stretch deal with the gold so maybe but i would say that's a stretch
01:10:26.015 --> 01:10:27.593
and definitely no natural disaster.
01:10:34.115 --> 01:10:34.275
No.
01:10:34.275 --> 01:10:35.225
Political disaster.
01:10:35.225 --> 01:10:37.375
No, it was all political.
01:10:40.608 --> 01:10:43.385
So, back to this episode.
01:10:43.385 --> 01:10:43.806
Yeah.
01:10:44.195 --> 01:10:47.127
Thoughts? We've established that you had no clue what
was coming.
01:10:49.555 --> 01:10:55.945
Thoughts? I think we both in our text conversation said that this was a good
01:10:55.945 --> 01:10:58.538
episode, so I'm assuming that still stands.
01:11:04.754 --> 01:11:12.501
Yeah, I thought it was a good episode. And we have seen that when,
01:11:13.798 --> 01:11:21.571
they write political intrigue for SG-1, they tend to do a good job with it.
01:11:23.821 --> 01:11:27.469
Both on Earth, but also off-world.
01:11:28.055 --> 01:11:30.411
And I'd say most of that intrigue is on Earth.
01:11:30.781 --> 01:11:36.490
It's the first time we've had somewhat politically intrigue with the Tollets, by the way.
01:11:42.167 --> 01:11:44.896
Oh, that's true. Yeah. Yeah.
01:11:48.185 --> 01:11:53.861
And we've dealt with some political intrigue with the Asgard. But anyhow, yes.
01:11:55.141 --> 01:11:56.711
I think generally they do good with...
01:11:56.821 --> 01:12:01.621
I think it was a good combination of things. there's some little action it's
01:12:01.621 --> 01:12:07.511
not a lot but some there's a lot of political understanding some mystery like
01:12:07.511 --> 01:12:09.831
okay how like what happened really what's going.
01:12:09.831 --> 01:12:10.349
On yeah,
01:12:13.298 --> 01:12:14.121
detective work,
01:12:17.785 --> 01:12:21.991
I think this would have been an episode yeah a lot of yeah there's detective
01:12:21.991 --> 01:12:26.581
work yeah I think this episode it would have been very easy for them to,
01:12:28.710 --> 01:12:31.281
end up giving us a slow episode.
01:12:31.281 --> 01:12:32.541
And it sped up at the end.
01:12:33.421 --> 01:12:35.247
But I think it was tight.
01:12:35.404 --> 01:12:40.081
And I mean, it just could have stretched it out and focused on the weapons and,
01:12:41.461 --> 01:12:45.133
the gold destruction or whatever. But no, that was pretty quick.
01:12:52.799 --> 01:12:59.723
Yeah, it was primarily about the political intrigue mystery thing.
01:12:59.723 --> 01:13:03.585
And I mean, we already established a link to Earth. And I thought they did it well.
01:13:05.663 --> 01:13:11.863
We've had this happen in our history, right? Where one party gets a weapon and
01:13:11.863 --> 01:13:18.323
that shifts dramatically sometimes the power distribution on our planet.
01:13:18.323 --> 01:13:20.263
Not for the better, usually.
01:13:22.523 --> 01:13:26.893
So yeah yeah,
01:13:30.039 --> 01:13:35.653
yeah and we're already in the SG universe dealing with the political tension
01:13:35.653 --> 01:13:38.102
about who has Stargate access.
01:13:38.211 --> 01:13:40.325
Any other things that come to mind yeah.
01:13:47.994 --> 01:13:55.344
I felt like it would have been very easy to write this episode with a much more
01:13:55.344 --> 01:13:57.159
ham-fisted pen, if you will.
01:13:58.517 --> 01:14:06.034
And I'm surprised that with what they did in the episode, it would have been very easy for them,
01:14:07.219 --> 01:14:15.034
to give us very, very over-the-top ham-fisted events.
01:14:15.034 --> 01:14:18.514
And I'm surprised that we didn't get that.
01:14:18.514 --> 01:14:21.516
If that was part of the struggle with the original gameplay.
01:14:23.044 --> 01:14:26.724
Right. I mean, we heard that it was hard to get it to a point where they could
01:14:26.724 --> 01:14:27.774
even create a first draft.
01:14:27.914 --> 01:14:28.349
I bet you're right.
01:14:28.710 --> 01:14:33.694
I'm sure that was part of it, where they were like trying to tell an interesting
01:14:33.694 --> 01:14:39.874
story with the intrigue and everything and not ham-fisted and not like go too
01:14:39.874 --> 01:14:43.394
deep into any direction. And it balanced, basically, that it's interesting.
01:14:43.975 --> 01:14:49.114
It's not boring. It's not too ham-fisted, but also understandable.
01:14:49.954 --> 01:14:53.094
Like balancing out all of these different parts that had to come together,
01:14:53.674 --> 01:14:58.544
the murder story and all of that. I'm sure that that took a while to get that
01:14:58.544 --> 01:15:02.484
right, have the right ideas in the outline. It wasn't right that this draft
01:15:02.484 --> 01:15:04.623
wasn't written yet, so it was all the outline state.
01:15:04.878 --> 01:15:08.594
But getting all those parts that are key in the right balance,
01:15:08.594 --> 01:15:12.530
in the right point, get all the ideas in to make this work.
01:15:13.586 --> 01:15:15.594
to even have a draft that you can create.
01:15:17.951 --> 01:15:18.254
Yeah.
01:15:22.119 --> 01:15:27.714
And they did well. And they were able to fit all of this into basically 48 minutes.
01:15:27.714 --> 01:15:30.574
You could have done two episodes or a whole movie or whatever with it.
01:15:33.056 --> 01:15:37.700
But it's just one episode amongst many in the fifth season of Stargate SG-1. Yeah.
01:15:38.414 --> 01:15:38.570
Yeah.
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Yeah, they did a good job. And well, we knew that Tanith had lived, because we saw that.
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No, I think they had heard.
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But SG-1 didn't see that.
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We heard in the there was a discussion that they knew that some there was a,
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escape pod that they detected that traveled somewhere and they could to some
01:16:16.101 --> 01:16:17.868
market or whatever they could track it,
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and I think they had heard that most likely it was him but they didn't know,
01:16:25.561 --> 01:16:27.086
and they didn't know where he ended up,
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yeah yeah.
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Yeah okay right so we knew he lived.
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They.
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Had suspicions so anyhow where I'm going with this is seeing him show up here.
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Yes well it's no surprise to see him it was a surprise to see him and I like
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that both we know now know work for
someone else because Apophis had revealed that he was not the,
01:16:56.341 --> 01:16:58.554
person at the highest position.
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He might have looked like that. He might have behaved like that sometimes, but he was not the boss.
01:17:04.638 --> 01:17:05.038
Yeah.
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So both him and Tanit were working for someone else. And apparently Tanit was probably,
01:17:13.201 --> 01:17:19.041
I want to say more involved or was the person in the background the point person
01:17:19.041 --> 01:17:22.912
to whoever that boss is, I think. I think Apophis was just being used.
01:17:24.554 --> 01:17:28.757
And Tanit was really in the background that the person who's really pulling the strings.
01:17:30.069 --> 01:17:31.357
I think that's yeah,
01:17:36.384 --> 01:17:42.544
Yeah, I think you're probably right. So, he's still out there. We have a new mystery.
01:17:42.544 --> 01:17:46.344
Someone who also seems to have some technical skills, right?
01:17:46.344 --> 01:17:52.074
I mean, we know that the gold, one, usually only acquire technology.
01:17:52.440 --> 01:17:53.989
They don't invent it, mostly.
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And two, it's been pretty stale and stable for a long.
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Long, long time.
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Their technology hasn't changed a lot over millennia.
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yeah someone has new technology and but now here's the new thing because so that is concerning,
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because.
01:18:24.837 --> 01:18:26.364
Yeah yeah this this.
01:18:26.364 --> 01:18:29.704
Could have a big impact on especially in the power,
01:18:30.464 --> 01:18:34.594
and we know that the Asgard are mostly bluffing right now right their whole
01:18:34.594 --> 01:18:39.894
protective planet treaty is mostly a bluff because they couldn't even if they
01:18:39.894 --> 01:18:42.123
wanted to they couldn't really uphold it,
01:18:45.118 --> 01:18:48.491
they've just been so powerful that nobody even wanted to challenge them,
01:18:50.764 --> 01:18:57.158
technology wise are powerful so yeah we'll see,
01:18:59.864 --> 01:19:06.597
yeah we'll see yeah so for Earth's sake hopefully that ruse technology advantage,
01:19:06.742 --> 01:19:10.951
technological advantage, still there. We don't know.
01:19:13.638 --> 01:19:19.774
Yeah. All right. This was a fun episode. So let's go to the most important part of this.
01:19:19.804 --> 01:19:21.394
This was a fun episode.
01:19:21.394 --> 01:19:26.752
It's an important part. Chevron ratings. So where do you land, Jeff?
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Did that change your mind in the discussion and where do you land?
01:19:29.804 --> 01:19:30.084
Mm-hmm.
01:19:35.353 --> 01:19:35.889
Interesting.
01:19:37.413 --> 01:19:42.513
I'm actually torn on this one. Mm-hmm.
01:19:43.673 --> 01:19:46.959
Because, I mean, it's a really solid episode. I really enjoyed it.
01:19:47.453 --> 01:19:56.038
I'm still very frustrated about how Christopher Judge is being wasted in the stories.
01:19:58.873 --> 01:20:00.095
Interesting. Okay.
01:20:00.953 --> 01:20:03.253
Six, seven? Okay, I'm going to go ahead and give it a seven.
01:20:03.253 --> 01:20:04.972
I was torn between six and seven.
01:20:07.932 --> 01:20:12.013
And because, I mean, it's a solid episode and it's a lot of fun.
01:20:14.625 --> 01:20:20.506
But does it have the right things to be remarkable enough to be a seven?
01:20:22.733 --> 01:20:25.928
And I think with the way this episode came together, sure.
01:20:27.280 --> 01:20:33.773
This gets a seven because of Ron Wilkerson's hard work. I think he really pulled the story together.
01:20:33.773 --> 01:20:38.773
Funny enough, I was in the same boat as you. I was torn between a six and a seven. But...
01:20:40.862 --> 01:20:47.448
One, it is the final story of the Toland, which as a race, as people,
01:20:47.448 --> 01:20:50.228
I like. They were all interesting.
01:20:52.303 --> 01:20:58.143
They had an interesting history in the past. They had advanced technology.
01:20:58.805 --> 01:21:07.675
They are close to a utopian society, as you could imagine-ish.
01:21:08.209 --> 01:21:13.410
It's never perfect, right? But they're on the way there. So, like, I just like them.
01:21:16.388 --> 01:21:20.808
Even the grumpy Omak, I like them. So it's sad. It's sad to see them.
01:21:20.808 --> 01:21:21.526
I like them too.
01:21:22.188 --> 01:21:28.318
And I like the balance between a little bit of action, a lot of political intrigue,
01:21:28.318 --> 01:21:31.998
a little bit of detective work, like the balance they found here as we talked
01:21:31.998 --> 01:21:33.688
about. So for me, it's a clear seven.
01:21:34.428 --> 01:21:36.918
I was on the fence as well. I was like, eh, six or seven, but no.
01:21:37.319 --> 01:21:43.781
And I know stuff that you don't know So I know where this is going So, seven,
01:21:46.927 --> 01:21:47.669
So we're in agreement.
01:21:50.421 --> 01:21:54.688
Okay Okay And,
01:21:56.268 --> 01:22:03.358
We are Now I didn't know, of course That this is our last Toland story And I've
01:22:03.358 --> 01:22:09.374
actually Been Holding out hope which I know those hopes have been dashed,
01:22:10.187 --> 01:22:17.028
that we'd get some big battle against the Gould where...
01:22:17.708 --> 01:22:18.458
Would have been nice.
01:22:18.458 --> 01:22:23.428
We have like an Earth-Tolan alliance and they're working together.
01:22:24.444 --> 01:22:24.908
Would have been.
01:22:24.908 --> 01:22:27.708
I mean, that could have been a really cool space battle event.
01:22:27.728 --> 01:22:28.678
Unfortunately...
01:22:28.768 --> 01:22:30.096
But that's not happening now.
01:22:30.363 --> 01:22:37.968
Sometimes, despite... I mean, you can argue, maybe the whole isolationist stance
01:22:37.968 --> 01:22:39.361
was what killed them ultimately.
01:22:45.078 --> 01:22:48.325
They had to fight everybody on their own and it didn't work out.
01:22:50.049 --> 01:22:50.375
Yeah.
01:22:55.342 --> 01:22:59.298
Yeah. It definitely did not work out. We will hear about the Thomas.
01:22:59.618 --> 01:23:00.398
It did not work out.
01:23:00.698 --> 01:23:04.148
And there will be mentions in the future. So it's not the last time we really
01:23:04.148 --> 01:23:09.809
hear anything, but it's like, as I said, they're not coming back, basically. Okay.
01:23:16.828 --> 01:23:17.918
Well that's that's.
01:23:17.918 --> 01:23:19.434
Unfortunate because.
01:23:19.749 --> 01:23:21.518
I i have enjoyed.
01:23:21.518 --> 01:23:25.928
Talking about the future we should talk about the next episode so this is the
01:23:25.928 --> 01:23:32.718
point where you make predictions so i'm gonna make it easy and give you a number 2001,
01:23:37.898 --> 01:23:43.030
and it's the same in german and in english so it's all 2000 okay,
01:23:46.966 --> 01:23:47.118
Okay.
01:23:49.018 --> 01:23:57.791
Well, all right. When we have had number episodes before, it has,
01:23:59.853 --> 01:24:07.254
I think, every time involves some sort of time travel or showing us a different part of time.
01:24:08.613 --> 01:24:17.058
so i'm going to go with uh that's happening here so 2001 we're going to get
01:24:17.058 --> 01:24:22.888
um yes well actually they're already in 2001 they.
01:24:22.888 --> 01:24:24.118
Are in 2001.
01:24:31.309 --> 01:24:39.343
I still think it's going to relate to time travel in some way or alternate timeline in some way.
01:24:39.842 --> 01:24:48.469
And so this time, though, instead of being our core team shifting to a different
01:24:48.469 --> 01:24:53.641
time, it's going to be someone else shifting to their time.
01:24:55.115 --> 01:25:00.039
and uh and so the interactions that they that they have to have with whoever
01:25:00.039 --> 01:25:06.975
this is which even could be like future them um or something,
01:25:08.182 --> 01:25:15.798
it it's going to have repercussions on um on decisions they have to make today and right now,
01:25:17.401 --> 01:25:22.069
and um so i could i could see where this would be a thing like Like,
01:25:22.069 --> 01:25:27.599
you know, like future Sam comes back and is trying to warn everyone, hey,
01:25:28.533 --> 01:25:35.290
you can't do what you're about to do because you're going to create a horrible timeline.
01:25:36.370 --> 01:25:39.809
And then everyone's trying to figure out, well, crap, what can we do?
01:25:40.229 --> 01:25:45.129
And if we do something different than what we're planning, because future Sam
01:25:45.129 --> 01:25:50.659
or future whoever tells us, are we actually doing the thing that we weren't
01:25:50.659 --> 01:25:53.408
supposed to do that creates a bad timeline?
01:25:54.052 --> 01:25:54.829
I'll tell you one thing.
01:25:55.049 --> 01:25:55.649
So that kind of a story.
01:25:55.989 --> 01:26:00.789
When we read this back, when we talk about 2001, this will be a very,
01:26:00.789 --> 01:26:04.135
very interesting thing you just said. But that's all I'm going to tell you.
01:26:08.429 --> 01:26:08.559
Yeah.
01:26:10.155 --> 01:26:10.811
Okay.
01:26:12.842 --> 01:26:13.254
Yes.
01:26:15.371 --> 01:26:21.542
I can weave quite the tapestry You will see why. off the cuff with the number episodes.
01:26:21.837 --> 01:26:26.790
That means we should wrap this up and go sit down and watch 2001.
01:26:27.178 --> 01:26:29.061
And in order to do that, we should
01:26:29.061 --> 01:26:33.071
let people know where they can find out more about the things you do.
01:26:33.091 --> 01:26:33.441
Yes.
01:26:33.441 --> 01:26:34.678
So Jeff, let's start.
01:26:40.188 --> 01:26:47.711
Okay. Well, then how about my two blogs, Fresh Brewed Tales and Jeff?
01:26:49.476 --> 01:26:50.431
Yes. Yes.
01:26:50.431 --> 01:26:56.273
Oh, yes. I know which one you're talking about. You liked the AI post, didn't you? Yeah.
01:26:57.323 --> 01:27:04.173
Yeah. And it was true. I watched that play out and I was like, wow.
01:27:05.073 --> 01:27:07.371
Okay. I'm in the long run of work.
01:27:08.608 --> 01:27:14.077
Yeah. JeffGammett.com. and you can get to my merch from there, too.
01:27:15.453 --> 01:27:19.251
And as always, I'll pick out two shows.
01:27:20.234 --> 01:27:26.991
We did. So, oh, we had mentioned Brian Chaffin earlier. So, The Context Machine,
01:27:26.991 --> 01:27:28.691
that's a show that I do with Brian Chaffin.
01:27:31.333 --> 01:27:36.581
And how about In Touch with iOS? Because Dave Ginsburg is such a nice guy.
01:27:36.761 --> 01:27:42.661
Me? I'll just mention two things. my website thepatrice.com you will find everything
01:27:42.661 --> 01:27:48.041
there projects podcasts cool things social media links a lot of that and I'm
01:27:48.041 --> 01:27:49.428
with you on the tech hangout,
01:27:51.371 --> 01:27:56.221
almost every week or the weeks we manage to do it we talk about fun tech stuff
01:27:56.221 --> 01:28:00.875
that's happening it's a really cool show so the tech hangout the tech hangout,
01:28:02.274 --> 01:28:10.182
Me too. And you can also reach out to us for this podcast. There's multiple
01:28:10.182 --> 01:28:15.002
ways. There's the easy and short way, which is our social media.
01:28:15.522 --> 01:28:24.645
We're on Mastodon at retorewatch at techhangout.social or on Blue Sky it's retorewatch.com,
01:28:25.295 --> 01:28:29.262
You can also send an email if you need more space to write a longer text.
01:28:29.662 --> 01:28:34.882
You can just send an email to hello at retrowewatch.com would be nice to not
01:28:34.882 --> 01:28:38.014
get really strange spam emails on that one.
01:28:38.792 --> 01:28:41.114
There were some interesting ones we got recently.
01:28:42.082 --> 01:28:44.289
Yeah, there was somewhere I'm like, huh? Okay.
01:28:46.062 --> 01:28:47.222
We can live in hope.
01:28:47.222 --> 01:28:52.027
That's the easy one. I forget something. No, I think that's most data. The tech hangout.
01:28:53.072 --> 01:28:55.557
No, retrowewatch.com. That's the one I want you to talk about.
01:28:56.874 --> 01:29:04.322
The website, of course. And find the podcast wherever you find podcasts. And with that, let's,
01:29:06.842 --> 01:29:11.472
blow up the planet. No, hope not. And just go and sit. Hopefully not.
01:29:11.472 --> 01:29:14.475
Just go and watch 2001. See you next time.
01:29:15.137 --> 01:29:16.031
Hopefully not.
01:29:19.257 --> 01:29:21.858
And then laugh at my horrible predictions.