Pełna transkrypcja odcinka Mission Evolution with Gwilda Wiyaka Interviews - NICOLE STRICKLAND - Ghosts, Spirits and the RMS Queen Mary

it came from someone that I knew and loved. 69 00:04:21.040 --> 00:04:23.480 And then all this happened within about a week. And 70 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:26.079 then a week later, I think I was writing a 71 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:28.040 paper and I was on my bed and I saw 72 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:30.800 something in my peripheral vision, and when I looked, I 73 00:04:30.839 --> 00:04:34.600 saw my grandmother's spirit form. She looked about ten years younger. 74 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:38.639 It appeared as though there was a spotlight shining against her, 75 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:42.560 giving her that white halo effect. And she didn't say anything, 76 00:04:42.600 --> 00:04:45.839 but she looked, like I said, ten maybe fifteen years younger, 77 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:48.560 wearing one of her favorite house dresses. And she just 78 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:50.639 looked at me and smiled. And then I saw her 79 00:04:51.279 --> 00:04:54.439 de manifest if you will, with my own eyes, And 80 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:59.839 so that is what catapulted me into actually investigating and becoming, 81 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:03.600 you know, an act of paranormal investigator, a bit of. 82 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:06.319 A defining moment for you. It sounds like, yeah, it 83 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:06.959 really was. 84 00:05:07.720 --> 00:05:10.079 You know, I've had experiences prior to that, but that 85 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:15.199 just was very, very profound. And when I think about it, 86 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:19.720 I'm tossed between did I somehow project was that some 87 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:23.439 sort of a like a grieving hallucination on my part 88 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:25.800 because I was very close to her, or did she 89 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:29.160 visit me? I think it's the latter. No one else 90 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:31.600 in the family had an experience. It was only me 91 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:34.120 that I know of, so I don't know. Maybe she 92 00:05:34.279 --> 00:05:38.879 knew somehow that I was open to and can you know, 93 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:41.399 have we all have intuition, don't get me wrong, but 94 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:44.800 that I could sense, you know, spiritual presences, and so 95 00:05:45.079 --> 00:05:46.480 maybe that's why I don't know. 96 00:05:47.519 --> 00:05:49.759 So you literally saw her like she was standing in 97 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:52.040 the room, but she had a more of an etheric. 98 00:05:51.720 --> 00:05:55.560 Look she did. Yeah, she was solid. She wasn't translucent, 99 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:59.920 but when I looked, it appeared as though there was 100 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:04.079 like a white or a spotlight shining against her back, 101 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:08.439 which gave her like a light halo around her body, 102 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:12.600 if you will. And then she was solid just like 103 00:06:12.680 --> 00:06:14.399 you're looking at me or me looking at you. But 104 00:06:14.480 --> 00:06:17.839 she looked about ten or fifteen years younger. She looked very, 105 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:20.519 very healthy and vibrant. She had a slight smile on 106 00:06:20.600 --> 00:06:21.079 her face. 107 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:26.720 So did you have other visitations from her? And do 108 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:29.040 you still or has she kind of crossed to the 109 00:06:29.079 --> 00:06:30.600 other side. It hasn't been around. 110 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:33.800 I think she's definitely crossed. I do think she is 111 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:38.079 spirit I can sense when she's around, but I have 112 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:41.519 not actually seen her before like I did that first time. 113 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:46.040 So when you sense her, is it a smell? Is 114 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:48.480 it a how do you pick it up? 115 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:52.399 It's just her energy. I can sometimes I can smell 116 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:55.600 her perfume because she wore a stay the old fashion 117 00:06:55.720 --> 00:06:58.879 like Sta Lauter, and sometimes I can smell that. But 118 00:06:58.920 --> 00:07:02.160 it's more or less just I think a soul recognition. 119 00:07:02.759 --> 00:07:05.199 I just know when she comes around. Oops, I'm sorry. 120 00:07:05.240 --> 00:07:10.959 And then she usually comes around anniversaries, holiday times, things 121 00:07:11.000 --> 00:07:16.319 like that. But she was very, very intuitive and sensitive herself. 122 00:07:17.639 --> 00:07:18.680 So I think you feel like it. 123 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:22.759 Do you feel like you were probably more like her 124 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:23.480 than the others. 125 00:07:24.279 --> 00:07:26.959 It could be in the sense of being able, being 126 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:31.680 more in tune with my intuition, and just being able 127 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:35.800 to sense spiritual energy. I think I do. I think 128 00:07:35.839 --> 00:07:40.240 that's passed down through the maternal line. My mom has 129 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:43.800 it too. She's not able to recognize it as much, 130 00:07:43.839 --> 00:07:47.279 but I can tell. But my grandmother she there was 131 00:07:47.319 --> 00:07:51.560 definitely something there that she had. I wish that she 132 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:54.680 was still alive today because I would sit down and 133 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:58.040 you know, pick her brain and stuff. But yeah, for sure, 134 00:07:58.079 --> 00:08:02.000 I think I'm kind of that that general sense has 135 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:04.839 passed down the line. 136 00:08:05.279 --> 00:08:09.639 How's your personal spiritual evolution shaped your investigative methods? 137 00:08:10.160 --> 00:08:14.839 You know, that's a very very good question. I when 138 00:08:14.879 --> 00:08:19.560 I started out, I was so interested in capturing evidence, 139 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:25.759 like the next EVP, the next disembodied voice, the next 140 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:29.920 anomalist

photograph. And don't get me wrong, that's all very important. 141 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:34.879 But as I've evolved, to me, what's more important is 142 00:08:34.919 --> 00:08:40.519 the rapport and the relationship that we as living in 143 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:43.879 the mortal realm, can develop with the spirit world. And 144 00:08:43.960 --> 00:08:48.960 I do believe that there's an intertwining of the two. 145 00:08:49.360 --> 00:08:54.279 There's like this a parallel relationship between our world and 146 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:57.200 the next, and we need to pay more attention to it. 147 00:08:57.240 --> 00:09:01.039 And I think that people are starting to realize that 148 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:05.639 but it's really helped me to gain more of an 149 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:09.279 appreciation for history. I've always loved history, but you know, 150 00:09:09.360 --> 00:09:12.720 the people that have walked the land before us. It's 151 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:16.840 gained me more of an understanding and even an appreciation 152 00:09:17.039 --> 00:09:22.639 of the dying process, in the transition process that you know, physically, 153 00:09:23.159 --> 00:09:26.279 when our loved ones pass on, they're not there physically anymore, 154 00:09:26.360 --> 00:09:29.919 but that connection that sold a sole connection that we 155 00:09:30.000 --> 00:09:33.799 have with them that's very, very strong. And so it's 156 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:40.600 really helped me to grieve and move through the processes 157 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:43.720 of losing a loved one. In fact, I just lost 158 00:09:43.759 --> 00:09:47.360 two people in July, dear to me, my friend Eric, Yeah, 159 00:09:47.480 --> 00:09:50.720 my friend Eric two days apart, mind you, my friend Eric, 160 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:54.320 and then the Honorary Commodore of the RMS, Queen Mary 161 00:09:54.759 --> 00:09:58.240 Everett Horde. So they passed in July two days apart. 162 00:09:58.399 --> 00:10:04.480 So investigating wise, of course, I approach it with and 163 00:10:04.519 --> 00:10:08.519 I don't want to sound preachy, but respect and reverence 164 00:10:08.559 --> 00:10:13.399 all the way. So I'm very meticulous in my you know, 165 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:17.120 approaching paranormal investigations. I don't necessarily approach it with a 166 00:10:17.200 --> 00:10:20.759 cookie cutter approach. I base it on what's happening at 167 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:25.080 that location. But I for me, like I said, going 168 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:28.399 back to what I initially said, it's the rapport and 169 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:31.279 the relationship that we can develop with these energies, to 170 00:10:31.320 --> 00:10:34.960 me is more important than just capturing you know, an 171 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:38.159 EM or an EVP or anything like that. 172 00:10:38.320 --> 00:10:41.240 So you know that makes sense to me. It's like 173 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:43.840 if you can talk to the dead, doesn't mean just 174 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:46.480 because they're dead, it doesn't mean that they aren't people 175 00:10:46.519 --> 00:10:48.559 and they don't have feelings and they don't have a 176 00:10:48.639 --> 00:10:51.159 need to interact and have respect. And it seems like 177 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:55.080 most of us are either ignore that it's there or 178 00:10:55.200 --> 00:10:58.279 terrified that it's there. Running around with our little instruments. 179 00:10:58.279 --> 00:11:01.480 You know, I have a sign right see. 180 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:03.919 And that right there is a good You just brought 181 00:11:04.000 --> 00:11:07.240 up a good point. I think that in investigating, and 182 00:11:07.279 --> 00:11:08.840 this is what I should have said too to your 183 00:11:08.879 --> 00:11:13.960 previous question, I don't rely on too much on I 184 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:17.279 do obviously rely on it, but not overly so like 185 00:11:17.320 --> 00:11:20.639 I did. Maybe in the beginning, where you have all 186 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:24.600 these instruments out and you're spending all your time staring 187 00:11:24.639 --> 00:11:28.279 at the instruments, and then you miss out on what 188 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:31.600 your intuition is picking up what your normal senses are 189 00:11:31.639 --> 00:11:36.960 picking up, and so I've learned to almost investigate more 190 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:41.919 from an intuitive standpoint, and that's really really helped. Great. 191 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:43.600 It makes a lot of sense because it's coming in 192 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:49.559 through your facility, really right, right exactly? So from your experience, 193 00:11:49.600 --> 00:11:52.360 what exactly is a ghost? And how many kinds are there? 194 00:11:53.039 --> 00:11:56.720 Oh? My goodness, I you know we I'm guilty of 195 00:11:56.720 --> 00:12:00.360 this too. I think that we all use the words 196 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:04.200 and spirit interchangeably, but I do think there's similarities and differences. 197 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:07.120 This is just my opinion. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong. 198 00:12:08.039 --> 00:12:12.240 Ghost is what we also know as an earth bound entity, 199 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:15.759 and obviously there may be a residual or psychic imprint 200 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:19.840 component or an intelligent I don't like classifying them too much, 201 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:24.200 but just for understanding purposes, intelligent varieties that we can 202 00:12:24.240 --> 00:12:28.879 actually communicate with in real time. I think a ghost 203 00:12:29.159 --> 00:12:32.840 is again the once living energy of a person or 204 00:12:32.879 --> 00:12:37.200 an animal, but yet they're not, either by choice or not. 205 00:12:38.200 --> 00:12:42.320 There could be many reasons they haven't, how do I 206 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:45.200 put it, moved through the different ranks of spirithood and 207 00:12:45.279 -->

00:12:48.360 ascended to where they have full free will, Whereas I 208 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:51.720 think a spirit, of course the once living energy of 209 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:56.600 a human or animal, but that individual has evolved more 210 00:12:56.720 --> 00:13:00.080 into the higher ranks of spirithood and has more free will. 211 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:03.200 That's kind of how I define the two. But there's 212 00:13:03.799 --> 00:13:06.799 there's so I don't I don't know how many classifications 213 00:13:06.799 --> 00:13:09.120 there are. I mean, there could be some classifications that 214 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:13.639 we don't even know about. But in terms of ghosts 215 00:13:13.720 --> 00:13:16.600 or spirits, but you you commonly hear of, you know, 216 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:22.759 the residual varieties, the intelligent varieties, or crisis apparitions, which 217 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:26.600 are known to be entities that will appear, you know, 218 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:31.600 right before after someone has passed doppelgangers. But it's like, 219 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:34.519 there's so many classifications and I'm sure there's a lot 220 00:13:34.600 --> 00:13:38.240 more that we don't know yet about. 221 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:41.960 We're going to have to take a station break, Nicole, 222 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:44.919 and I will return very shortly, so don't you go away. 223 00:13:45.519 --> 00:13:50.440 This is Mission Evolution www dot Mission evolution dot org. 224 00:13:51.519 --> 00:13:56.320 Can ships be haunted? With this? Discussing investigating the paranormal? 225 00:13:56.720 --> 00:14:02.440 Is Nicole Strickland her website Nicole dot com. Nicole, let's 226 00:14:02.440 --> 00:14:06.399 talk about your experiences investigating the haunted ship Queen Mary. 227 00:14:07.120 --> 00:14:10.399 What first drew you to investigate the RMS Queen Mary 228 00:14:10.440 --> 00:14:12.679 and what makes you such a compelling haunted location. 229 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:15.480 Oh my goodness, this is such a loaded question. I 230 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:18.000 love it, and I oh with the Queen Mary, I 231 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:19.799 could just go on all day and talk about it, 232 00:14:19.799 --> 00:14:23.320 So I have to condense. So my mom actually went 233 00:14:23.399 --> 00:14:25.759 on board the Queen Mary long before I did. She 234 00:14:25.840 --> 00:14:28.480 did ballroom dancing in an area that was when the 235 00:14:28.519 --> 00:14:31.879 ship was a luxury ocean liner. It was the Veranda 236 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:34.039 grill that we know today, but then it was known 237 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:37.159 as the Starlight Roof Club and so it's on the 238 00:14:37.279 --> 00:14:40.200 aft part of the ship there. You can access it 239 00:14:40.200 --> 00:14:44.879 from sundeck, and so she did ballroom dancing. So I've 240 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:47.679 known about the Queen Mary, but my first sighting of 241 00:14:47.720 --> 00:14:50.279 her occurred during my college year. So it was our 242 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:52.360 junior year and it was spring break and a friend 243 00:14:52.360 --> 00:14:54.639 and a friend and I decided to come back out 244 00:14:54.639 --> 00:14:57.279 to southern California to go on a three day carnival cruise. 245 00:14:57.320 --> 00:15:00.480 And so there's a carnival cruise port right jacent to 246 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:03.240 the Queen Mary there, and so I remember seeing it 247 00:15:03.879 --> 00:15:07.120 from the back seat of a car. And it's very 248 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:09.960 hard to put this in words, but when I looked 249 00:15:10.000 --> 00:15:12.200 at it, I made a mental note and I said 250 00:15:12.200 --> 00:15:14.960 I will be back someday, and that day came in 251 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:19.879 two thousand and five. And I try to describe this 252 00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:24.759 as descriptively as I can in my books or presentations 253 00:15:24.759 --> 00:15:27.600 that I do about the ship, But it was almost 254 00:15:27.919 --> 00:15:32.360 an instant soul to soul connection with the ship. When 255 00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:35.799 I first stepped on board, literally off the gangway and 256 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:39.360 on a deck that's one of her hotel decks, I 257 00:15:39.440 --> 00:15:43.519 felt like I've been there before. Everything felt just beautiful 258 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:46.879 and just so serene there, and I just it was 259 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:50.320 an instant, instant love connection with the Queen Mary, and 260 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:53.559 so that started everything. And at that point I started 261 00:15:53.600 --> 00:15:58.279 to research the ship's very very extensive, layered history and 262 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:03.639 even her paranormal activity. And so I'm both into the 263 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:06.240 history of the ship, pretty much everything about the ship, 264 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:09.320 but also the paranormal aspect as well, and I've done 265 00:16:09.360 --> 00:16:14.879 several paranormal research or investigation projects on board in various 266 00:16:14.879 --> 00:16:19.879 areas of the Liner over the years, and paranormal wise, 267 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:22.200 a lot of the same things that you can experience 268 00:16:22.240 --> 00:16:26.080 at other locations. It's very visual, so people will see, 269 00:16:27.200 --> 00:16:32.000 you know, full bodied, partially manifested apparitions of even former 270 00:16:32.360 --> 00:16:37.320 crew members, passengers, even World War II servicemen, you name it. 271 00:16:38.639 --> 00:16:41.159 And then there's also it's very audio friendly, so you 272 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:44.600 can hear a lot of disembodied vocalizations things of that nature. 273 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:47.960 People have been touched on board in my experience of 274 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:51.559 researching the ship, and I've I mean, it's my second home. 275

00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:54.679 I've been there hundreds of times. I don't think any 276 00:16:55.000 --> 00:16:58.720 energy on there is negative or anything like that. It's 277 00:16:58.759 --> 00:17:03.559 a very loving, positive, embracing fuel, at least in my experiences. 278 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:07.880 And so, but what makes the Queen Mary interesting to 279 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:12.359 me is that her consistency of paranormal activity. Of course 280 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:16.599 it may wax and wane, but it's consistent across the board. 281 00:17:16.799 --> 00:17:20.960 And I've talked to people that have had almost unique 282 00:17:21.799 --> 00:17:26.359 identical experiences weeks, months, and even years apart. So there's 283 00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:31.319 a consistency among her resident energies and just regarding her 284 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:37.039 paranormal activity. But I think too, at the core of 285 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:43.720 the ship's ghostly phenomena is her. There's this the ability 286 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:47.480 that she has of being magnetic, not necessarily magnetic in 287 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:51.279 the physical sense, but magnetic, and that she can receive 288 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:56.519 and transmit almost like how crystals can. And so it 289 00:17:56.599 --> 00:18:00.799 makes her like a time capsule, if you will, So 290 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:06.839 we're past, present and future kind of fuse so interesting. 291 00:18:06.880 --> 00:18:09.160 I have a friend it's a piano tuner, and she 292 00:18:09.200 --> 00:18:12.799 told me something so fascinating yesterday. Oh well, if you 293 00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:17.839 consistently tune a piano, the organic material in the piano 294 00:18:18.079 --> 00:18:21.200 will resonate with that and then hold the tuning. And 295 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:25.160 I'm wondering how this applies to the Queen Mary, her 296 00:18:25.200 --> 00:18:28.559 sitting on water, and you know her just like you say, 297 00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:30.720 holding that frequency. 298 00:18:31.000 --> 00:18:33.440 I think there's and I try, I do discuss. I 299 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:36.160 don't think there's one theory. I think there's a multi 300 00:18:36.319 --> 00:18:40.960 layered reason as to why the paranormal or why the 301 00:18:41.039 --> 00:18:45.400 ship has so much paranormal activity on this consistent basis. 302 00:18:45.400 --> 00:18:48.519 Of course, as we know history, her history is almost 303 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:51.960 unprecedented for any ocean liner. But like you, like we 304 00:18:51.960 --> 00:18:55.200 were talking about earlier water being a component some of 305 00:18:55.240 --> 00:18:58.440 the materials that went into the ship, like the iron, 306 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:03.200 the manganese's propellers, the court site and the former first 307 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:07.000 and third class pool. My friend Tony Ashland too, he 308 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:10.160 is an amateur radio operator, and he shared with me 309 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:13.640 that he believes the Queen Mary's like a giant crystal 310 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:17.359 radio because it has all the components for that within 311 00:19:17.440 --> 00:19:19.720 the ship, and so he feels he'd shared with me. 312 00:19:19.759 --> 00:19:22.599 One day, He's like, I do feel like you do, Nicole. 313 00:19:22.680 --> 00:19:26.920 I think it's she's one giant transmitter and receiver, but 314 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:31.920 just other energies, just or other reasons too, people going 315 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:35.400 in every day wanting to experience something paranormal. Then you 316 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:38.759 bring in that psychokinetic sort of influence as well. But 317 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:42.519 I think at the core of it is just her 318 00:19:42.640 --> 00:19:47.279 history and this magnetic sense about the ship. But I 319 00:19:47.319 --> 00:19:50.400 think there might be elusive reasons too that we don't 320 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:53.720 know that only he knows. I do feel and this 321 00:19:53.799 --> 00:19:57.119 may not resonate with certain people, and that's fine, but 322 00:19:57.279 --> 00:20:01.599 I'm basing this just on my experience and knowledge of 323 00:20:01.640 --> 00:20:04.480 the ship. I do feel that there's a pretty strong 324 00:20:05.279 --> 00:20:07.559 sentient component to the ship itself. 325 00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:10.799 As you speak about her, I just keep goosebumping, and 326 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:12.799 it is like you're talking about a person, and she 327 00:20:12.839 --> 00:20:16.240 feels like a person. How do you feel her wartime 328 00:20:16.359 --> 00:20:20.920 service and tragic events contributed to the paranormal activity reported 329 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:21.400 on board? 330 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:24.480 I yeah, I think all of that contributes, and that's 331 00:20:25.160 --> 00:20:29.279 what I should have mentioned this earlier, she's seen practically 332 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:34.839 every emotion. She's witnessed every emotion on board, from elation 333 00:20:35.119 --> 00:20:39.839 and pure luxury to like, for example, the prisoners of war, 334 00:20:40.319 --> 00:20:42.559 the German and Italian prisoners of war that were kept 335 00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:45.599 on board, and there were areas below the water line 336 00:20:46.079 --> 00:20:49.279 where they were kept and bread and water were lowered 337 00:20:49.279 --> 00:20:53.599 in buckets, and as the ship sailed through various hot climates, 338 00:20:53.599 --> 00:20:55.960 and she wasn't she didn't have air conditioning because she 339 00:20:56.079 --> 00:20:59.000 was designed for the North Atlantic route for her a 340 00:20:59.119 --> 00:21:01.799 luxury ocean liner days. But when the ship during the 341 00:21:01.799 --> 00:21:05.319 war sailed to these very you know, Australia, Middle East 342 00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:08.880 and so on, no air

conditioning. So a lot of 343 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:12.839 these guys succumbed and there were many deaths, probably not 344 00:21:13.000 --> 00:21:16.240 all of them were reported either. But I do think 345 00:21:16.319 --> 00:21:20.960 that you know, in regards to the paranormal activity on board, 346 00:21:21.480 --> 00:21:24.559 yes there may be some leftover emotion from some that 347 00:21:24.599 --> 00:21:29.119 have passed away on board but that are maybe still 348 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:32.519 have that memory. But that doesn't make them malevolent or 349 00:21:32.559 --> 00:21:37.519 anything like that. It's just the experiences have haven't been 350 00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:39.240 so good for them. And then on the other hand, 351 00:21:39.440 --> 00:21:43.880 you know, you have people lavish luxury sailing across this 352 00:21:44.079 --> 00:21:48.599 magnificent ocean liner. So I think there's all of the 353 00:21:48.759 --> 00:21:54.839 historical tapestry that circles the Queen Marys or part of it, 354 00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:58.319 all of that contributes. It's like giant pieces of the 355 00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:00.200 puzzle trying to put them together. 356 00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:04.680 She seems very multi dimensional, well, as was her life, 357 00:22:04.799 --> 00:22:05.279 no doubt. 358 00:22:05.599 --> 00:22:05.759 Right. 359 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:09.960 What areas of the ship have you found to be 360 00:22:09.960 --> 00:22:12.839 the most paranormally active and can you describe some of 361 00:22:12.920 --> 00:22:15.000 the standout experiences you've had there? 362 00:22:15.039 --> 00:22:18.000 Oh yeah, sure, I've had so many experiences. I'll pick 363 00:22:18.039 --> 00:22:21.440 a few, But I think anywhere on the ship is 364 00:22:21.559 --> 00:22:25.400 fair game. You can have an experience anywhere. I believe 365 00:22:25.480 --> 00:22:28.680 that the highly traveled to spots like on the tours, 366 00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:32.920 for example, they naturally get more reports. So these would 367 00:22:32.920 --> 00:22:36.240 include the former first and third class pool, and you 368 00:22:36.319 --> 00:22:39.240 might say third class. What happened so during in the 369 00:22:39.319 --> 00:22:43.440 late fifties, when air travel became prominent for the affluent, 370 00:22:44.079 --> 00:22:47.079 they actually opened up the first class pool to third 371 00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:51.400 class passengers because the second class already had its pool 372 00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:55.480 as well. So just wanted to make mention of that. 373 00:22:55.599 --> 00:22:58.519 But former first and third class pool is a giant 374 00:22:58.599 --> 00:23:04.960 hub shadow. People have been spotted. There's a little I 375 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:07.240 shouldn't say she's little, but she is little. Her name 376 00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:12.799 is Jackie. She's probably the most well known aboard the 377 00:23:12.880 --> 00:23:15.359 Queen Mary. She's

around six or seven years old. We 378 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:20.160 do not know her origins. The late Peter James, who 379 00:23:20.240 --> 00:23:23.640 is sadly no longer with us, actually coined her in 380 00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:27.240 the early nineties and felt that she drowned in the 381 00:23:27.279 --> 00:23:30.599 second class pool. But to my knowledge and other researchers 382 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:32.960 I know that have delved into this, we cannot find 383 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:38.240 any origins to Jackie. But for whatever reason, she's very intelligent, 384 00:23:38.519 --> 00:23:42.039 very engaging, around six or seven years old. She almost 385 00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:44.519 looks like she could be a sister to Shirley Temple. 386 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:48.759 But I've questioned, you know, could she have passed away 387 00:23:48.799 --> 00:23:52.200 as an adult and come back and you know, as 388 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:54.319 a child. I don't know. There's so many questions, but 389 00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:57.440 she's very engaging, seems to be drawn to certain individuals. 390 00:23:57.440 --> 00:24:00.839 I've seen her, I've communicated with her. I'm very familiar 391 00:24:00.920 --> 00:24:06.400 with her voice. Let's see, the boiler rooms and the 392 00:24:06.440 --> 00:24:10.759 aft engine room are very popular. The isolation ward to 393 00:24:11.279 --> 00:24:14.039 a lot of the places that they'd take you on 394 00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:18.279 for the tours. Just like I said, naturally get more reports. 395 00:24:19.319 --> 00:24:22.279 But there are several resident energies and there are a 396 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:26.160 few that are documented deaths. So William Eric Stark, for example, 397 00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:31.799 was a senior second officer and he actually was fighting 398 00:24:31.880 --> 00:24:34.240 a cold. This was I believe I should know this 399 00:24:34.359 --> 00:24:35.599 off the top of my head. I think it was 400 00:24:35.680 --> 00:24:39.400 forty nine when he passed away, and he actually thought 401 00:24:39.440 --> 00:24:43.599 he drank gin but it was actually carbon tetrachloride, so 402 00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:46.799 he passed away a few days later. He's been seen 403 00:24:46.880 --> 00:24:51.519 and spotted and heard. There's an eighteen year old crew man. 404 00:24:51.559 --> 00:24:53.319 I'm not going to say his name just because the 405 00:24:53.400 --> 00:24:57.039 family doesn't want us to say his name, but he 406 00:24:57.440 --> 00:25:00.759 hailed from Skipton, North Yorkshire. Joined the Queen Mary in 407 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:03.880 nineteen sixty six, was a fireman and bilge cleaner working 408 00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:07.279 the boiler rooms and sadly, on July tenth, in the 409 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:10.039 early hours of the morning nineteen sixty six, he was 410 00:25:10.079 --> 00:25:14.200 found wedged in watertight door number thirteen on the starboard 411 00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:18.559 shaft alleys side. He has been spotted. I've seen him myself. 412 00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:20.599 There's a doc there's a picture of him, so I've 413 00:25:20.599 --> 00:25:23.359 seen him. It's almost as if his pictures come to life. 414 00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:28.400 I've heard him so, but there's there's Peter James once 415 00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:31.200 said that he felt that there were over six hundred 416 00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:34.960 ghosts and spirits on board. But it's hard to put 417 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:38.200 a number because I think the Queen Mary, there's energies 418 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:42.200 that travel through her may not stay, but then there 419 00:25:42.240 --> 00:25:45.160 are those that are connected with her history and of 420 00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:48.599 for whatever reason, some have chosen to stay, maybe some 421 00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:54.599 have not so but I've had so many different it's 422 00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:57.559 hard to pick one. But I've seen full bodied apparitions. 423 00:25:57.599 --> 00:26:02.319 I've disembodied voices. I've even heard my name being called 424 00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:07.359 several times like male female voices. Hi, Nicole, Nichole's here, 425 00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:10.400 things of that nature, usually within the first five or 426 00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:13.720 ten minutes of me arriving. It's weird, but just so 427 00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:16.960 many some of my most profound encounters have occurred on 428 00:26:17.000 --> 00:26:18.400 the Queen Mary. 429 00:26:18.480 --> 00:26:21.240 Do you think that they, because you've gone so often, 430 00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:24.319 start to build a relationship and recognize you. 431 00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:26.960 I think that that's possible. I mean, I'm trying to 432 00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:29.079 be as humble as I can about this, but I 433 00:26:29.119 --> 00:26:30.559 do think it's yeah, I do. 434 00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:36.960 Well. It's unusual for someone to do paranormal investigation and 435 00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:42.079 also have that compassion connection on a person to person level, 436 00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:42.599 isn't it. 437 00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:46.519 Yeah, And that's yeah, that's true. And just with the 438 00:26:46.640 --> 00:26:49.880 Queen Mary, it's you know, every location that I've investigated 439 00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:53.200 is important, and I've always learned something from every case 440 00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:58.000 I've worked on. But there's such a strong personal connection 441 00:26:58.119 --> 00:27:00.640 to the ship. So I think that that, you know, 442 00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:06.240 it's maybe felt as well, you know, by the other side. 443 00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:10.200 So she seems to just I don't know when as 444 00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:12.599 you speak of her, it's like a safe harbor, if 445 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:13.039 you will. 446 00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:15.759 That's a good way to put it.

Yes, that's how 447 00:27:15.799 --> 00:27:18.799 I feel. That's absolutely how I feel. On board. 448 00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:22.880 Well, it's time for us to take yet another station break, 449 00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:25.599 Nicole and I will be right back, So to continue 450 00:27:25.599 --> 00:27:30.240 this discussion, please stay there. This is Mission Evolution www 451 00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:34.240 dot Mission evolution dot org. What did ghosts have to 452 00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:38.799 do with evolution? This is Mission Evolution, Mission evolution dot org. 453 00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:43.400 With this discussing hauntings, is Nicole Strickland Nicole, how can 454 00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:47.839 understanding the afterlife contribute to evolution of human consciousness? Oh? 455 00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:50.720 This is this is a great question and I actually 456 00:27:51.079 --> 00:27:56.319 tried to somewhat not answer it but give my own 457 00:27:56.960 --> 00:27:59.920 personal input on this and my one of my last books, 458 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:03.960 Afterlife Chronicles like and this goes back to what I 459 00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:08.200 was saying before about there's, in my opinion, there's this 460 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:14.680 strong interplay or parallel relationship between the afterlife and our 461 00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:18.160 world and I and I feel in many ways that 462 00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:22.880 the spirit world, of course is more highly advanced, has 463 00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:26.519 knowledge that it can help you know bestow to us 464 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:29.359 living in the mortal realm. Are we allowed to know 465 00:28:29.440 --> 00:28:32.160 all the secrets of the afterlife? I don't think so. 466 00:28:32.359 --> 00:28:36.559 But it's I think if we pay attention more to 467 00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:40.400 what the spirit world is trying to teach us, because 468 00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:42.920 I think we're getting on that on that end, we're 469 00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:46.839 getting more into a soul to soul communication. I think 470 00:28:46.880 --> 00:28:49.519 if we try to pay attention to it more, we 471 00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:52.119 will reap the benefits and just gain more knowledge. I 472 00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:56.079 think that it's there's a pearness to it in my 473 00:28:56.200 --> 00:29:00.519 opinion that I think it's it's hard to put the words, 474 00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:04.200 but that it's it's trying to teach us to be 475 00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:09.480 the best versions of ourselves that we can. So in 476 00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:13.799 that case, I think that that that can definitely benefit. 477 00:29:13.880 --> 00:29:19.000 But I think also just having a general understanding of 478 00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:22.400 the dying process and knowing that when our loved ones 479 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:27.480 cross and pass, that they're all still a part of us. Right, 480 00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:29.720 there's soul, the soul. I do believe that the soul 481 00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:32.880 survives death, kind of more along the lines of like 482 00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:38.839 noetic science. So I think that that can really help 483 00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:44.160 as well. But yeah, there's that's a great question, great question. 484 00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:48.880 Our paranormal experience is catalysts for personal or collective awakening? 485 00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:56.039 I think so. I think that if an investigator, I 486 00:29:56.079 --> 00:29:58.640 think it depends on the well, No, you can have 487 00:29:58.680 --> 00:30:02.039 an investigator that really is open to heating the messages, 488 00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:04.839 but that doesn't mean that it wasn't attempting to impart it. 489 00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:11.319 So yes, I do, I do in many respects. I'm 490 00:30:11.359 --> 00:30:13.200 trying to There was an example I was just going 491 00:30:13.279 --> 00:30:15.599 to say, and I totally forgot what was. I hate 492 00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:18.640 that when my brain does that, but I think it 493 00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:21.200 can teach us a lot about ourselves. Like for me, 494 00:30:21.240 --> 00:30:25.000 as an example, I've always had this love of history, 495 00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:28.480 but it's enabled me to have even more of an 496 00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:33.640 appreciation of history. And I know this may sound hopy, 497 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:39.960 but I've been able to become more aware of my 498 00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:45.000 own soul, my own desires my own intuition. So it 499 00:30:45.039 --> 00:30:48.920 has helped me with personal growth in that capacity, and 500 00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:51.759 I think that that it can help others as well. 501 00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:55.640 The question is, are others open to it like I've been? 502 00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:58.759 And maybe if they're not realizing messages that are trying 503 00:30:58.799 --> 00:31:01.920 to be imparted, then maybe, I mean, maybe the soul 504 00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:04.359 can grasp it. But if their ego is so strong 505 00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:07.680 and it's kind of like not preventing that but dampening it, 506 00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:09.359 I guess that can be a problem. 507 00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:13.440 One thing that's becoming glaringly obvious and I think has 508 00:31:13.480 --> 00:31:18.319 for a long time is the consumer greed the Native 509 00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:22.359 Americans called the Watiko virus. But basically, you know, the 510 00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:27.440 preoccupation with how we look and what we have, and 511 00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:29.880 when you die, none of that goes with you. It 512 00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:34.279 matters what can what can humanity learn from these encounters 513 00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:35.400 about our true nature? 514 00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:38.920 See, that's just it. That that is, you know, that 515 00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:43.319 is such an important

point. And I think there's a 516 00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:48.720 constant investigating the paranormal and being open to the other side, 517 00:31:48.799 --> 00:31:52.720 and being open to communicating with loved ones or even strangers. 518 00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:54.880 If we go on, you know, these investigations, we don't 519 00:31:54.920 --> 00:32:00.359 necessarily know who's who's at those locations. But it's a 520 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:03.720 constant kind of wake up call I think for us 521 00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:07.319 to be alerted that, you know what, we need to 522 00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:15.000 move more toward UH quality as opposed to quantity. And 523 00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:18.519 I was just going to say, oh, this is what 524 00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:20.680 I was going to say too, and it leads me 525 00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:23.039 to say, and I talk about this a lot, and 526 00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:27.920 I don't want to sound arrogant or anything like that, 527 00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:33.720 but in the field of the paranormal entertain the entertainment industry, 528 00:32:33.720 --> 00:32:37.359 in my opinion, often exploits it, and you're getting more 529 00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:43.000 of the superficial idea about it instead of delving deeper 530 00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:45.920 to the heart of the matter. You know, it's not 531 00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:50.720 about views. It's not about constantly trying to throw fear 532 00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:54.440 and terror in our face or misrepresenting the spirit realm. 533 00:32:54.519 --> 00:32:57.359 It's not anything about that. It's you know, if we 534 00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:00.960 can as as a paranormal community and even in those outside, 535 00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:04.240 realize that it goes deeper than that, I think that 536 00:33:04.240 --> 00:33:08.759 that is what's going to really propel this field forward. 537 00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:15.480 But this constant superficiality around it, exploitation around it, is 538 00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:17.839 I really I don't know if it's going to advance 539 00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:20.920 as long as that, as long as that is occurring. 540 00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:25.759 But yeah, I'm going on a tangent. I'm sorry, no problem, 541 00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:30.559 you do a nice soapbox. She just go on, Oh 542 00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:33.000 my gosh. 543 00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:35.799 What ethical guidelines speaking of which are essential when you're 544 00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:38.640 investigating active spiritual environments. 545 00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:43.799 Oh, absolute para ethics. And my teammate Ali and I 546 00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:46.240 talk about this all the time. Well, obviously, you know, 547 00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:50.200 you have to not just think about ethics in regards 548 00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:53.119 to your teammates or the location, or your clients, but 549 00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:56.480 the spirits themselves, the energies that you're working with, So 550 00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:00.839 you know, constantly approaching it with the golden rules, so 551 00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:06.519 to speak, being respectful, being reverent, not provoking, not demanding 552 00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:10.480 anything like that, but also with your clients. Being upfront 553 00:34:10.480 --> 00:34:13.840 with your clients. You want to let them know about 554 00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:16.360 the processes that you're going to be going through the 555 00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:19.960 methodology and I hate to say this, but I'm a 556 00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:24.920 paper pusher, so you know those forms, those investigation permission forums, 557 00:34:24.960 --> 00:34:28.639 those liability waivers, things of that nature. Have those on hand, 558 00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:35.920 But just treating the whole process with respect but also 559 00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:39.599 with dignity, I think it goes a long way. That's 560 00:34:39.679 --> 00:34:45.480 the general ethical framework. But then you know, being honest 561 00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:48.239 a lot of what applies to any other job in 562 00:34:48.280 --> 00:34:51.679 real life. But you know, on an investigation, making sure 563 00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:55.800 that teammates are you know, abiding by the standard operating 564 00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:59.960 procedures or certain protocols, things of that nature is important. 565 00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.079 But I think at the hallmark, or at the at 566 00:35:02.159 --> 00:35:05.840 the core, I should say, is the respect and the 567 00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:12.639 dignity that these investigations deserve. And so we're very big 568 00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:13.079 on that. 569 00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:17.320 What about confidentiality, I mean, you know what that is. 570 00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:19.360 This went on, but I really don't want to talk 571 00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:20.199 to them about that. 572 00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:22.400 Thank you, you just reminded me. I knew there was 573 00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:25.960 something I was forgetting. Confidentiality is important, and I'll tell 574 00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:29.639 you this, much like I've had a couple of cases 575 00:35:29.679 --> 00:35:33.440 where people wanted us to investigate because they wanted media 576 00:35:33.480 --> 00:35:36.440 attention and only that. So I declined it. I didn't 577 00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:38.199 tell them why, I just said, you know, declined it. 578 00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:42.480 I had another case where the manager of one of 579 00:35:42.480 --> 00:35:45.719 our famous theaters here wanted to in San Diego, wanted 580 00:35:45.800 --> 00:35:47.960 us to investigate, and I said, well, I need written 581 00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:52.079 permission from the owner of the premises, and she just 582 00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:55.920 kept you know, dishing me around and I, you know, 583 00:35:56.119 --> 00:35:58.559 kind of giving excuses, and I said, until we get 584

00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:02.159 that written permission, we can't. We can't do anything. But 585 00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:06.199 confidentiality is huge. You know, if a client and we 586 00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:09.039 have that, we have actually that on our form, you know, 587 00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:13.320 for them to check I give written permission for you know, 588 00:36:13.360 --> 00:36:17.840 blah blah blah blah, San Diego Paranormal Research Society to disclose. 589 00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:22.960 But even then it's it's I, even if they give permission, 590 00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:28.679 it's I tend to not ever disclose certain things. But 591 00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:30.800 but if they do check on there, I do not 592 00:36:31.039 --> 00:36:34.960 wish anyone else to know about this. Then we're strict 593 00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:39.320 on that that confidentiality is between us and the client. 594 00:36:39.800 --> 00:36:44.000 But even going a step further and in the spirit realm, 595 00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:48.079 for example, let's say, and this has happened a couple 596 00:36:48.079 --> 00:36:52.239 of times where we were doing an EVP session, for example, 597 00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:54.559 and we say, you know, if you know, is it 598 00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:57.320 okay if we talk to you? Is it okay if 599 00:36:57.400 --> 00:36:59.719 we you know, ask some questions, and we usually do 600 00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:03.000 an opening sort of statement to kind of set the intent. 601 00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:06.760 And if we get an answer of no, or let's say, 602 00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:08.519 do you want us to leave? And we get an 603 00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:11.840 answer of yes, we will do that, we'll leave, so 604 00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:15.760 just granting the same respect that you would to somebody. 605 00:37:15.519 --> 00:37:19.880 In the flesh, right right, Yeah, Do do paranormal researchers 606 00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:23.280 have a responsibility in your view, to help spirits heal 607 00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:23.880 or move on? 608 00:37:25.119 --> 00:37:29.039 I think so. I think you know, every case is different, 609 00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:32.880 but I think that there is a general understanding that 610 00:37:33.039 --> 00:37:36.599 you know, and we always on our cases we'll say 611 00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:38.800 is if there's anything you know we can do for you, 612 00:37:38.840 --> 00:37:41.400 please let us know. Now, sometimes you don't always get 613 00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:43.679 a response that that doesn't mean they didn't want it, 614 00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:46.880 just maybe they'dn't have enough energy to come through. But 615 00:37:47.239 --> 00:37:52.719 I think so. But in order to like maybe help 616 00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.119 them like pass on or not not pass on, but 617 00:37:55.239 --> 00:38:01.559 transition to a higher spirit rank or whatever. That that's 618 00:38:01.599 --> 00:38:03.679 where it gets a little tricky for me, because I

619 00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:05.840 don't I don't want to do something that I don't 620 00:38:05.840 --> 00:38:09.960 necessarily have permission to do. You know, it is the 621 00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:13.920 will of the entity in my opinion, if it knows, 622 00:38:14.119 --> 00:38:16.559 if it knows it can move on and doesn't want to, 623 00:38:16.679 --> 00:38:19.159 well then we shouldn't interfere with that. But if there's 624 00:38:19.320 --> 00:38:21.719 enough I don't want to say proof, but if if 625 00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:25.079 there's enough evidence to suggest that maybe they do want help. 626 00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:29.239 Then at that point, yes, to try to help them 627 00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:33.280 go through the motion so they can evolve greater if 628 00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:33.639 you will. 629 00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:37.320 So, I know there are whole practices and particularly ancient 630 00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:40.440 practices that oh yeah, with the helping the dead to cross, 631 00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:41.280 like psychopomping. 632 00:38:41.719 --> 00:38:42.760 Oh, you feel that a. 633 00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:45.679 Person needs a certain amount of training to do it effectively. 634 00:38:47.639 --> 00:38:51.800 I this is this is an interesting question. If a 635 00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:57.880 person is operating from not an ego point of view, 636 00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:03.280 and is operating from a a soul level of kindness 637 00:39:03.320 --> 00:39:07.280 and wants to do good. In that case, maybe if 638 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:12.119 they aren't as experienced as maybe other practitioners, I think 639 00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:15.480 they deserve a chance. But it's the ones, even if 640 00:39:15.480 --> 00:39:19.119 they have amazing experience, if their heart is not in 641 00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:22.599 the right place, or you know, they're doing it for 642 00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:26.159 out of selfishness or anything like that, then that's when 643 00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:28.559 I raise my hand and go like, wait a second. 644 00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:31.199 So but I think yes, I mean, I think obviously 645 00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:32.599 experience does help. 646 00:39:32.840 --> 00:39:35.440 Of course, I'll bet you have to dance around ajenda 647 00:39:35.519 --> 00:39:42.639 a fair amount as well. No, how do cultural beliefs 648 00:39:42.639 --> 00:39:46.079 influence the interpretation of hauntings in spiritual contact? Oh? 649 00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:49.320 That's a good one. Yeah, you know, I've researched this 650 00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:55.880 a lot, and going back, there's always been this universal 651 00:39:56.639 --> 00:40:02.280 idea that it's just different in the interpretation with different cultures. 652 00:40:02.320 --> 00:40:05.320 But there's this universal idea that dates back, you know, 653 00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:11.559 thousands of years that okay, once someone dies, okay, what's left? 654 00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:13.480 What do we do with the body? Or what happens 655 00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:15.719 to the soul? I do think there's like a general 656 00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:19.079 agreement that we're understanding that the soul evolves, but it's 657 00:40:19.159 --> 00:40:22.440 just the practices and how to handle the body or 658 00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:25.800 exactly what happens to that soul is a little different 659 00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:31.159 with different cultures. But you know, and it brings me 660 00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:35.000 to actually paranormal investigating. And when you're out on a case, 661 00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:38.000 you have to be aware a little bit of some 662 00:40:38.119 --> 00:40:41.519 of the religious or the cultural predispositions. You know that 663 00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:45.840 like Catholic religion for example. I want to get too religious, 664 00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:50.079 but the kind of the people are brought up to 665 00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:53.880 believe if they pay heavy attention to that religion that okay, 666 00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:56.280 ghosts are evil and this and that. So you have 667 00:40:56.320 --> 00:40:59.320 to kind of work that into if you're doing like 668 00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:03.239 for example, private residence or even a business or historical case, 669 00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:06.039 look at what those cultures are and look at what 670 00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:09.079 the understanding is and just kind of work around it. 671 00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:11.480 So it's definitely not something to ignore. 672 00:41:12.000 --> 00:41:14.400 Makes perfect sense, and it's time for us to take 673 00:41:14.400 --> 00:41:16.559 it up a station break at least a with us 674 00:41:16.599 --> 00:41:20.440 is Nicole and I continue to explore unseen worlds. This 675 00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:26.119 is Mission Evolution www dot Mission evolution dot org. Do 676 00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:31.719 go stay mad. This is Mission Evolution, Mission evolution dot org. 677 00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:36.119 We're continuing our discussion with Nicole Strickland her website, Nicole D. 678 00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:41.159 Strickland dot com. Nicole, what lessons have spirits taught you 679 00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:43.360 about healing and forgiveness? 680 00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:49.679 Yeah, that's that's a lot, I think. I think if 681 00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:53.159 I had to summarize this, it's it's the understanding that 682 00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:58.000 our time here on Earth, being in the living realm, 683 00:41:58.239 --> 00:42:03.199 is limited, but there's a whole another journey that awaits 684 00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:06.039 us beyond this life and maybe beyond the next whatever, 685 00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:09.840 so on and so on. So it's taught me to 686 00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:14.280 really pay attention to more so to the things that 687 00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:19.480 matter in life, and paying more attention to, you know, 688 00:42:20.159 --> 00:42:25.920

delving looking within and listening more to my my the 689 00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:29.000 wisdom that we all have that innate wisdom. So that's 690 00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:32.280 that's what it's taught me, just to pay attention more 691 00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:32.599 to that. 692 00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:36.760 Have you found it, since you know, opening your senses 693 00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:39.840 up to do the investigations and everything, that you're actually 694 00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:42.360 more privy to energetic things going on around you in 695 00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:42.800 your world. 696 00:42:43.199 --> 00:42:48.239 That's absolutely. It's so funny how that works, because I 697 00:42:48.280 --> 00:42:50.400 don't know if funny is the right word, but I've 698 00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:52.960 always been open to it. I've always been a little 699 00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:56.679 more perceptive, I think than I don't want to say 700 00:42:56.679 --> 00:42:58.599 than the average but I guess I have to say 701 00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:04.280 that than the average person. But yes, just delving into 702 00:43:04.320 --> 00:43:07.679 this work, you do find that your senses heightened, even 703 00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:12.880 that sixth sense that we have, but the clairvoyant see 704 00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:16.400 has gotten you know, more fine tuned as well as 705 00:43:16.559 --> 00:43:19.159 you know all the others said to Claire's the Claires 706 00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:23.320 specifically more for me, you know, the Claire audience, the clairvoyance, 707 00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:25.400 and the Clare sentience for sure, And I just think 708 00:43:25.440 --> 00:43:29.400 that that exposure helps to just fluff that out a 709 00:43:29.400 --> 00:43:33.639 little bit. But again, for me, I have a passion 710 00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:37.039 to do this work. I'm not in it for greed 711 00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:41.840 or for superficiality. I really have a true, honest passion 712 00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:43.639 to do this work. And so I think if you're 713 00:43:43.880 --> 00:43:47.920 coming from that standpoint, then it's you're going to find 714 00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:49.840 that those senses even grow faster. 715 00:43:51.800 --> 00:43:52.840 We don't get in our own way. 716 00:43:52.920 --> 00:43:56.039 Huh yeah, I mean it's all I do get my 717 00:43:56.079 --> 00:43:59.119 own way a lot, but I'm trying. It's taught me 718 00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:02.719 to really pay attention more to what matters. 719 00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:05.719 How much how much of developing that has to do 720 00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:07.599 with letting go of our self doubt. 721 00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:12.559 I think it's all part of that. I think there's 722 00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:16.119 it's it's all. It's like a tree and there's just 723 00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:19.800 different the branches all connect to the same tree. It's 724 00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:24.880 all part of that. And I just think not

just 725 00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:28.440 the paranormal, but just growing older and being more exposed 726 00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:32.159 to life itself helps with that. But again it goes 727 00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:37.280 back to that understanding that you know what this is 728 00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:42.360 not it you know, materialism, it doesn't matter. I mean, 729 00:44:42.360 --> 00:44:45.320 we all want things and stuff like that, but when 730 00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:48.840 you're on a paranormal investigation, you're dealing with those that 731 00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:51.760 have passed on, and so it's just that constant reminder 732 00:44:51.760 --> 00:44:55.079 in your head, this isn't forever, so you know, pay 733 00:44:55.119 --> 00:45:00.000 attention to what matters like. I feel like I'm repeating myself. 734 00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:06.039 My grandmother used to always say, shrouds don't have pockets, okay, 735 00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:07.440 and I love that. 736 00:45:08.119 --> 00:45:08.760 I love that. 737 00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:12.000 Yeah, you're welcome to use it. He's crossed. I'm sure 738 00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:12.760 she'd be delighted. 739 00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:15.239 Oh my gosh, Oh you're so kind, so she. 740 00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:19.360 Have you ever experienced a case that transformed you on 741 00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:20.440 a soul level? 742 00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:24.559 Oh? Boy? I think all of them have to a 743 00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:29.360 certain extent. I'm trying to There's been so many that 744 00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:34.199 I've done. I will yes, I think all of them 745 00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:37.400 have to an extent, But the ones that stand out 746 00:45:37.440 --> 00:45:41.239 for me again Queen Mary related. But also we had 747 00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:45.840 tenure at a haunted rancho here, the Rancho Buena Vista 748 00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:50.480 Adobe up in Vista, California. And if you're don't know 749 00:45:50.519 --> 00:45:53.039 where that is, if but you're familiar with southern California, 750 00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:56.199 it's east of Oceanside and west of San Marcos. It's 751 00:45:56.199 --> 00:45:59.119 about thirty minutes north of San Diego. So we did 752 00:45:59.239 --> 00:46:03.239 a paranormal tours there for ten years, and they were 753 00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:06.320 fundraising tours, so the money went back into the Adobe, 754 00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:09.639 and so we would lead guests on basically how we 755 00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:13.400 would run a paranormal investigation of the site, so we 756 00:46:13.440 --> 00:46:16.760 did that. We also did some private team investigations there 757 00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:23.039 and the consistency there and especially with audio, even with 758 00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:28.159 instrumental transcommunication, and that's a little bit more subjective. I mean, 759 00:46:28.599 --> 00:46:30.119 there's a lot of things you have to take in 760 00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:35.239 with that because it can really be audio paradilia, so 761 00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:38.960 to speak. But month after month after month, we would 762 00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:42.559 get the same vocalizations from the same individuals that were 763 00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:48.199 introducing themselves as actual owners or people that resided on 764 00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:50.840 the rancho many years past, and it had gone through 765 00:46:50.840 --> 00:46:53.280 several owners over the years, and then the city of 766 00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:56.440 Vista purchased it in nineteen eighty nine. But that just 767 00:46:56.519 --> 00:46:59.840 blew our mind to be able to have that consistency, 768 00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:04.880 the intelligence and to communicate. There were even cases there 769 00:47:04.920 --> 00:47:10.000 where we would take an EVP or disembodied voice capture 770 00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:13.559 that we obtained, then we would compare that to research 771 00:47:14.079 --> 00:47:16.480 to see if there was any validity, and of course 772 00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:19.960 we were able to find that in historical records about 773 00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:24.559 the rancho. So that's that's an example. The ones where 774 00:47:25.039 --> 00:47:29.000 you have a departed family member that has passed and 775 00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:33.280 the client wants to reach them that we've had cases 776 00:47:33.320 --> 00:47:36.000 like that and those are very heartwarming. 777 00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:41.320 So how can people use paranormal encounters as a tool 778 00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:42.159 for innergrowth? 779 00:47:44.079 --> 00:47:48.639 Oh my gosh, I being I think at the core 780 00:47:49.039 --> 00:47:50.960 what comes to me because there's like so much I 781 00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:54.280 want to say, but at the core of it is 782 00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:58.639 the golden rule. Just as you want to treat the 783 00:47:58.800 --> 00:48:02.239 energies with the golden rule, that's how you should apply 784 00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:04.840 to people in your life. For example, you don't want 785 00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:07.639 to go up to a stranger and just start rambling 786 00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:09.880 off questions. I mean, that's just kind of rude, you know. 787 00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:12.760 But and the same with paranormal research. That's why when 788 00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:15.079 you're going to do an EVP session, have that statement 789 00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:19.199 of intent, introduce yourself, have that statement kind of setting 790 00:48:19.239 --> 00:48:24.320 the positive, respectful tone. So it helps a lot with 791 00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:27.679 many might say, well that's weird, but it does help 792 00:48:27.719 --> 00:48:31.920 a lot, I think with intra and interpersonal growth, just 793 00:48:32.320 --> 00:48:38.239 having more of a communication that is honest and comes 794 00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:42.280 from you know, your true inner

self as opposed to 795 00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:47.800 something that's just blatant ego or something that doesn't sit 796 00:48:47.960 --> 00:48:50.719 right with with how your soul wants to be. 797 00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:55.239 Well. In this era of social media and all that's brought, 798 00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:58.480 you know, the respect seems to have gone helped the window, 799 00:48:58.800 --> 00:49:01.920 I know, I know, and it's from what you're saying. 800 00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:07.159 It's like the if you start treating, you're walking into 801 00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:07.639 their home. 802 00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:12.000 Well that's I know, yeah. 803 00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:14.880 Yeah, that's amazing. So what makes misconceptions about spirits or 804 00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:17.679 hauntings would you most like to dispel? 805 00:49:18.119 --> 00:49:21.400 Well, again, this goes back to the entertainment industry, and 806 00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:24.159 I don't want to criticize it. I don't because there's 807 00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:28.760 pros and cons but this consensus that I don't know 808 00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:31.119 if it means to do this, but it just it's 809 00:49:31.159 --> 00:49:37.000 like this obsession around ghosts and entities being nothing but 810 00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:41.800 evil and terrorizing and something to be afraid of that 811 00:49:42.719 --> 00:49:48.719 I want, you know, to dispel. Also the overclassification I 812 00:49:48.760 --> 00:49:51.880 think of some energies. For example, let me give an 813 00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:54.920 example to try to explain what I'm saying. Let's say 814 00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:59.599 someone finds a couple scratch marks on their skin and 815 00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:03.159 they automatically assume, oh my gosh, that was something evil 816 00:50:03.199 --> 00:50:06.119 that did that, someone wanted to harm me, when in fact, 817 00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:09.480 maybe that's not the intent at all on the spirit. 818 00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:12.199 It's what we project and due to our fears of 819 00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:16.119 the unknown. We're ascribing that to the spirit. Maybe it's 820 00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:19.079 a you know, if you touch a hot stove, you're 821 00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:21.039 going to get a red mark. And it is thought that, 822 00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:24.559 you know, ghostly energies have some sort of are made 823 00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:30.679 out of some sort of electrical electricity, you know, component 824 00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:34.360 or whatnot, ionic energy, what have you. So maybe is 825 00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:37.400 that like a biological reaction of maybe if it touched you, 826 00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:40.960 your skin got I don't know, but this overclassifying and 827 00:50:41.119 --> 00:50:45.519 over assuming that if you have an experience that you 828 00:50:45.599 --> 00:50:50.760 deem negative, that it's absolutely negative on the part of 829 00:50:50.800 --> 00:50:52.920 the spirit to want to do that. So those are 830 00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:54.639 two things that come to mind. 831 00:50:55.559 --> 00:51:01.320 When we're so into fear and polarization. Then don't we 832 00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:06.400 interpret the experience that might be neutral as something evil? 833 00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:09.159 That's very that's That's a much better way to put 834 00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:11.360 it than I did. But yes, I think. 835 00:51:11.400 --> 00:51:15.800 So, yeah, where do you feel paranormal research is heading 836 00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:16.719 in the next decade? 837 00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:20.599 Oh my goodness. I I think it's going to advance 838 00:51:20.760 --> 00:51:24.199 in the sense of technology. But then I wonder, Okay, 839 00:51:24.239 --> 00:51:27.079 how is AI going to influence this. I think there's 840 00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:31.239 going to be pros and cons to implementing or over 841 00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:32.400 implementing AI. 842 00:51:33.639 --> 00:51:33.760 Uh. 843 00:51:34.920 --> 00:51:37.320 I mean I want it. I want it to advance 844 00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:42.719 as it should, but I think that there's going to 845 00:51:42.800 --> 00:51:48.079 be you know, for example, then the entertainment industry's influence, 846 00:51:50.719 --> 00:51:54.079 reliance on technology, all of this. I just find that 847 00:51:54.079 --> 00:51:56.119 that may dampen into a little bit. I don't want 848 00:51:56.159 --> 00:51:59.039 to be negative, but I do see that I do 849 00:51:59.159 --> 00:52:02.039 see more and more people getting interested in it, and 850 00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:04.519 I would hope that for those people that there's a 851 00:52:04.679 --> 00:52:08.800 genuine interest in it and it's not motivated by greed 852 00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:14.440 or superficiality. So that's I'd like to think that it's 853 00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:17.519 heading in a very positive direction. But there's just some 854 00:52:17.559 --> 00:52:20.760 little kinks there that I think need to be worked out. 855 00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:25.079 Do you think that, you know, right now we're all 856 00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:28.920 busy trying to prove it exists. Once we back off 857 00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:32.199 and say, well, it exists and then can just experience it, 858 00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:37.360 do you think that'll show improvement on the relationship that people. 859 00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:42.199 But no one that is beautifully said that is wonderful. 860 00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:47.239 I yes, I have backed off from that because I 861 00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:51.519 don't think if it was provable to us in the 862 00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:53.599 mortal realm, I think we would have already done it. 863 00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:56.519 And I don't think that that's what matters. I think 864 00:52:56.599 --> 00:52:59.639 what matters is the journey and the experience. And I 865 00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:03.480 and I I believe and I could be wrong, that 866 00:53:03.639 --> 00:53:09.239 the afterlife gives us signs and glimpses, but it's not 867 00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:12.679 meant to give us everything. And as I don't think 868 00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:15.960 us in the mortal realm are meant to understand everything 869 00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:20.519 until we get there. But that's my thought. But yes, 870 00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:23.119 if we do back off from having to prove and 871 00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:27.320 prove and prove, and then there's this competition going on, right, 872 00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:29.480 that's beautifully said. I agree with you. 873 00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:32.679 Well, Nicole, it's about that time in the program when 874 00:53:32.679 --> 00:53:34.599 I get to ask you what's your mission? 875 00:53:36.159 --> 00:53:40.440 My mission is continuing to do what I do. It 876 00:53:40.480 --> 00:53:43.159 reminds me of the starfish poem. You can't help everything, 877 00:53:43.199 --> 00:53:45.679 but if you can help one and get it back 878 00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:49.000 to safety. That's where I'm at, just following my passion 879 00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:53.320 and sharing my passion for this field with everyone and 880 00:53:53.760 --> 00:53:57.440 hopefully be a little educating in the process. 881 00:53:56.880 --> 00:54:00.679 So well, Nicole, bless you for this very, very beautiful 882 00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:02.000 work that you're doing in the world. 883 00:54:02.360 --> 00:54:04.199 Thank you so much for having me on. It's been 884 00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:04.920 such a pleasure. 885 00:54:05.360 --> 00:54:09.719 It has been a true joy that concludes our journey 886 00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:14.320 with Nicole Streichland, investigator, teacher, and explorer of the spirit world. 887 00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:17.920 Her work reminds us that consciousness extends far beyond the 888 00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:21.599 boundaries of physical existence, and that interaction with the unseen 889 00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:25.800 may be guiding humanity towards a deeper understanding of who 890 00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:30.239 we truly are. For more information about Nicole, her books, research, 891 00:54:30.239 --> 00:54:34.159 and upcoming appearances, visit her website at Nicole D. Strickland 892 00:54:34.239 --> 00:54:38.159 dot com. To discover more about our own ongoing exploration 893 00:54:38.239 --> 00:54:43.039 of human potential and consciousness, visit us at www Mission 894 00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:47.079 evolution dot org. And, as always, may you find your 895 00:54:47.119 --> 00:54:51.719 path and may your path lead to evolution. This is Golduweyeka. 896 00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:58.039 Until next time, stay curious, stay aware, and keep evolving.