Pełna transkrypcja odcinka 26 Surprising Pleasures Linked to a Longer, Healthier Life | Dr. Patrick Quillin

00:04:08.902 is ill prepared to address, but nutrition can address it. 65 00:04:09.382 --> 00:04:10.143 That's why we're here. 66 00:04:10.784 --> 00:04:11.425 Yeah. 67 00:04:12.006 --> 00:04:18.836 So going down the path of medical school, even before you get your undergraduate, do you change kind of opinion? 68 00:04:19.357 --> 00:04:20.058 What does that look like? 69 00:04:20.573 --> 00:04:37.782 Yeah, so I'm two years at Notre Dame in pre-medicine, not medical school, and that was where I just looked at medicine in 1971, again, thinking that trauma care, emergency care, the ER is brilliant, but that's not what most people need. 70 00:04:37.822 --> 00:04:44.685 They need epigenetics, and in those days, this was before the Human Genome Project, before the... 71 00:04:46.446 --> 00:04:50.249 microbiome project, but it just made common sense to me. 72 00:04:50.269 --> 00:04:56.014 And actually, one of my big influencers was Adele Davis, who wrote a book, Let's Eat Right to Keep Fit. 73 00:04:56.214 --> 00:04:59.056 And I said, this makes sense, the biochemistry of the body. 74 00:04:59.617 --> 00:05:03.060 And so going back to my chemistry from undergraduate, you look at a 75 00:05:03.760 --> 00:05:09.505 The enzyme kinetics, you can take A goes to B by the action of C and enzyme. 76 00:05:09.565 --> 00:05:16.952 Well, you can push that equation a little bit with more of A and more of C, the enzyme, and that's what nutrition is. 77 00:05:17.532 --> 00:05:20.755 You want to stay alive, 10 milligrams of vitamin C will do it. 78 00:05:20.835 --> 00:05:23.338 It probably will prevent scurvy in the average adult. 79 00:05:24.158 --> 00:05:25.899 The RDA is 90 milligrams. 80 00:05:26.620 --> 00:05:32.022 If you want to lower your incidence of petechia or bruising in older people, it's 300 milligrams. 81 00:05:32.523 --> 00:05:39.566 If you want to use vitamin C as an anti-cancer therapy, now you're talking 10,000 milligrams and up. 82 00:05:39.626 --> 00:05:44.769 The point is the biochemistry works, but there's a difference between surviving and thriving. 83 00:05:45.329 --> 00:05:45.790 And so... 84 00:05:46.703 --> 00:05:55.035 My mother, the nurse, my father, the pharmaceutical representative, me with this incredible thirst for knowledge on the subject of nature. 85 00:05:55.155 --> 00:05:59.081 And I sucked up all of the good basic biological sciences. 86 00:05:59.502 --> 00:06:02.506 And then from that came this equation of nature. 87 00:06:03.745 --> 00:06:04.585 You are what you eat. 88 00:06:04.645 --> 00:06:05.466 No, that's not true. 89 00:06:05.686 --> 00:06:07.646 You are what you digest and absorb. 90 00:06:07.666 --> 00:06:09.447 Even deeper, right? 91 00:06:09.487 --> 00:06:11.927 Even more deeper than you are just what you eat. 92 00:06:13.228 --> 00:06:14.808 So you're going through undergrad. 93 00:06:15.768 --> 00:06:20.510 Were there any particular, because this is a pretty revolutionary concept, right? 94 00:06:20.790 --> 00:06:21.410 Absolutely. 95 00:06:21.750 --> 00:06:28.934 Doctors have it wrong from not even completed with pre-med to nutrition is the right place. 96 00:06:28.974 --> 00:06:30.615 It makes perfect sense today. 97 00:06:30.635 --> 00:06:32.576 I would imagine it didn't make sense. 98 00:06:32.796 --> 00:06:39.580 And let me also fold in that book, which was Eat to Be Fit, I think was the title of it. 99 00:06:39.620 --> 00:06:41.641 What was your kind of fitness? 100 00:06:41.741 --> 00:06:43.862 What kind of exercise were you doing? 101 00:06:43.902 --> 00:06:46.484 Were you a hippie plant eater? 102 00:06:46.664 --> 00:06:48.405 Just give me some kind of lay of the land here. 103 00:06:48.945 --> 00:06:57.211 Yeah, so I was raised, my mother was a good cook, she did her best, but you're living in the Midwest where it's meat, potatoes and gravy. 104 00:06:58.412 --> 00:07:06.519 And an interesting footnote in my study, between God, genetics and lifestyle, I have a healthy brain, good cognition. 105 00:07:06.599 --> 00:07:08.881 So I can't take credit for the first two. 106 00:07:09.201 --> 00:07:11.042 But the last part is lifestyle. 107 00:07:11.483 --> 00:07:15.646 And I think my mother, being a devout Catholic, we had fish every Friday. 108 00:07:16.706 --> 00:07:20.728 iodine and fish oil, EPA, icosapentaenoic acid. 109 00:07:21.429 --> 00:07:25.851 People who don't get any of that end up with some severe cognitive decline. 110 00:07:25.971 --> 00:07:29.533 So the family was reasonably healthy. 111 00:07:29.553 --> 00:07:33.435 But for instance, I remember in the summertime going out in the sun and it was just like... 112 00:07:34.147 --> 00:07:34.768 Nirvana. 113 00:07:35.428 --> 00:07:36.889 It was ecstasy. 114 00:07:37.049 --> 00:07:38.450 How does this feel so good? 115 00:07:38.470 --> 00:07:40.312 And then all I knew was it feels good. 116 00:07:40.692 --> 00:07:49.659 Now I can explain to you what happens when you're in the sun and the skin secretes a cholesterol-like substance. 117 00:07:50.299 --> 00:07:55.861 And then the sun, through photons, hits that cholesterol molecule and breaks one of the bonds. 118 00:07:56.342 --> 00:07:59.503 And now the body reabsorbs that cholesterol. 119 00:07:59.823 --> 00:08:08.267 It's the beginning of 125-dihydroxycholesterol, which goes to the kidneys and liver and eventually becomes vitamin D active. 120 00:08:08.847 --> 00:08:11.048 And vitamin D is involved in happiness. 121 00:08:11.848 --> 00:08:16.232 Preventing autoimmune disease, heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc. 122 00:08:16.652 --> 00:08:19.594 But when I was a kid, all I knew is that sunlight felt better. 123 00:08:19.755 --> 00:08:21.176 Now I can explain why. 124 00:08:21.736 --> 00:08:26.360 And on the many nutrients that we were, you know, deficient in or whatever. 125 00:08:27.020 --> 00:08:30.984 As I said, my father was a meat, potatoes and gravy guy and we did all right. 126 00:08:31.084 --> 00:08:31.945 I grew a foot. 127

00:08:32.925 --> 00:08:41.127 From age 13 to 17, in four years, I grew a foot from 5'3 to 6'3, and there's no way you can eat enough calories. 128 00:08:41.187 --> 00:08:43.147 So, you know, I'm playing basketball. 129 00:08:43.227 --> 00:08:43.827 I'm awkward. 130 00:08:43.847 --> 00:08:46.048 I'm stumbling around, but you got to eat a lot. 131 00:08:46.868 --> 00:08:48.488 Anyway, my parents did their best. 132 00:08:48.908 --> 00:08:49.428 God bless them. 133 00:08:49.448 --> 00:08:52.049 But I think of those little minute details. 134 00:08:52.149 --> 00:08:57.650 Were it not for the Friday fish and getting a tiny bit of iodine and fish oil— 135 00:08:58.210 --> 00:09:00.593 What would have happened in my overall development? 136 00:09:00.733 --> 00:09:02.876 So I gave them credit. 137 00:09:02.996 --> 00:09:05.039 They were sort of, it's a relay race, Chris. 138 00:09:05.079 --> 00:09:09.364 If you think about it, they're passing the baton to me saying, we did our best. 139 00:09:09.744 --> 00:09:10.405 Now it's your turn. 140 00:09:11.175 --> 00:09:12.876 Yeah, that's fantastic. 141 00:09:12.916 --> 00:09:13.997 Thank you for sharing that. 142 00:09:14.177 --> 00:09:24.845 So your undergraduate degree, foods and nutrition, you in there and you carry that specific course of study, nutrition through to doctorate, like and then into right to so completing your PhD. 143 00:09:25.286 --> 00:09:26.847 That's that's a lot of clarity. 144 00:09:26.907 --> 00:09:33.772 I think even, you know, if you had gone down there, continue to go down the physician path, most physicians don't know what they're going to end up being. 145 00:09:33.792 --> 00:09:34.833 It doesn't. 146 00:09:35.113 --> 00:09:39.435 Did everything just keep continue to click for you as your education continued and as you started? 147 00:09:39.836 --> 00:09:42.517 Maybe you were starting to work with people through those degrees. 148 00:09:43.458 --> 00:09:44.458 Well, good question, Chris. 149 00:09:44.958 --> 00:09:55.204 Let me give you another vector in my younger days, a book, Nutrition and Physical Degeneration by Weston Price, an absolute masterpiece. 150 00:09:56.104 --> 00:09:59.866 Anyone in the health sciences need to understand it in detail. 151 00:09:59.946 --> 00:10:02.328 And the one minute soundbite is... 152 00:10:03.068 --> 00:10:04.108 Price was a dentist. 153 00:10:04.709 --> 00:10:08.830 He was director of research at the American Dental Association for 14 years. 154 00:10:09.530 --> 00:10:14.932 He was a dentist in Cleveland, Ohio, and he noticed that the mouths of his patients were deteriorating rapidly. 155 00:10:15.392 --> 00:10:27.977 He saw this dramatic increase in dental caries, periodontal disease, cleft palate, crowded dentition, need to extract wisdom teeth, a lot more dental work, and he said, I wonder if nutrition has something to do with that. 156 00:10:28.457 --> 00:10:30.477 Well, now, most people would have dropped it there. 157 00:10:30.657 -->

00:10:46.561 But Price took his own money and his wife, who was an RN, a nurse, and they traveled the world on Indiana Jones, Pan Am stuff, 100,000 miles, 15 cultures on five continents, and they took thousands of photographs. 158 00:10:46.601 --> 00:10:56.223 And what they found, Chris, across the board, is when people embraced their native indigenous diet, that which their ancestors have been eating for thousands of years, 159 00:10:58.704 --> 00:11:15.485 mental and physical health and when they deviated from that diet which usually meant white sugar and white flour and more but when they deviated they ended up with severe changes in their dentition cleft palate periodontal and mental problems 160 00:11:16.426 --> 00:11:21.808 What he was doing is finding these cultures in which they were right on the cusp. 161 00:11:22.288 --> 00:11:25.469 And so you would have a village somewhere in Polynesia. 162 00:11:26.089 --> 00:11:29.570 And he would go and find this island where there's, let's say, a thousand people. 163 00:11:29.670 --> 00:11:33.532 And 500 of them were grandma and grandpa, and they're eating their native diet. 164 00:11:34.112 --> 00:11:40.434 And some of the kids were eating grandpa's diet, but some of the kids wanted the jam and white bread that came from the ship. 165 00:11:41.014 --> 00:11:46.156 And so he was looking at the differences in the mouths between these people and it was dramatic. 166 00:11:46.256 --> 00:11:49.077 So that was another book that was influential in my career. 167 00:11:49.697 --> 00:11:57.599 So bachelor's degree in foods and nutrition was then accepted into the doctorate program at University of California, Davis in nutrition. 168 00:11:58.119 --> 00:11:59.820 I opted to go back east. 169 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:06.502 I earned my master of science in nutrition from Northern Illinois University and did a dietetic internship. 170 00:12:07.262 --> 00:12:08.643 Mercy Hospital in Aurora. 171 00:12:08.743 --> 00:12:20.926 So I got my registered dietician, then my certified nutrition specialist with the American College of Nutrition, and then my Ph.D. in nutrition, which was with Kensington University, and that was in 1981. 172 00:12:21.066 --> 00:12:24.447 So I took it all the way through because to me, this is so... 173 00:12:25.327 --> 00:12:45.611 brilliant in the scheme of things you um in 2400 years ago hippocrates said let food be your medicine he also said all diseases begin in the gut in 1906 eli metchnikoff said all diseases begin in the gut he got a nobel prize in medicine for his work in immunology 174 00:12:46.151 --> 00:12:51.157 Fast forward to the 1990s and the scientists of the world said, maybe we should look into this gut thing. 175 00:12:51.778 --> 00:12:58.326 So they had 1500 scientists around the world, billions of dollars spent, and they call it the Human Microbiome Project. 176 00:12:58.366 --> 00:13:01.610 And when they finished, they stood back and took their breath away. 177 00:13:02.010 --> 00:13:03.612 And they said, this is unbelievable. 178 00:13:04.453 --> 00:13:08.735 What they found is you've got about 37 trillion cells in an adult body. 179 00:13:09.275 --> 00:13:12.917 You've got about 30 to 100 trillion microbes in the gut. 180 00:13:13.437 --> 00:13:24.343 And those microbes are generating postbiotics, meaning they take in what you can't digest and they make their own fermentative process and give off postbiotics. 181 00:13:24.683 --> 00:13:30.466 So, for instance, when you take in milk and add bacteria, lactobacillus, you make yogurt. 182 00:13:30.846 --> 00:13:40.388 Well, in our gut, they would be taking in fiber and generating products that were not just useful but essential, like butyrate, which is a powerful anti-cancer. 183 00:13:41.009 --> 00:13:43.669 So I'm sort of drifting a little bit back and forth. 184 00:13:43.709 --> 00:13:48.470 But what I'm sharing with you is throughout my whole career, nutrition makes sense. 185 00:13:48.530 --> 00:13:50.431 Now, it's not the only vector. 186 00:13:51.511 --> 00:13:59.018 So my book, The Pleasure Advantage, which we're going to get into, one of my books is called 12 Keys to a Healthier Cancer Patient. 187 00:13:59.058 --> 00:14:06.045 Because in working with cancer patients, I found that what you're eating may not be as important as what's eating you. 188 00:14:06.866 --> 00:14:08.847 The mind plays a powerful role. 189 00:14:09.368 --> 00:14:13.392 So looking at those six lifestyle vectors, number one is attitude. 190 00:14:14.112 --> 00:14:15.273 Number two is nutrition. 191 00:14:16.094 --> 00:14:17.415 Number three is toxins. 192 00:14:17.795 --> 00:14:19.697 Number four is exercise. 193 00:14:20.237 --> 00:14:22.559 Number five is the microbiome, the gut. 194 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:24.681 And number six is energy alignment. 195 00:14:24.721 --> 00:14:25.982 We are the body electric. 196 00:14:26.963 --> 00:14:28.624 And so those six vectors make up. 197 00:14:28.744 --> 00:14:35.489 Now, so what I'm doing is surrendering the fact that nutrition doesn't cure everything, sometimes nothing. 198 00:14:36.010 --> 00:14:41.294 And when your viewers, I'm hoping that they will work with a qualified healthcare practitioner because nutritionists, 199 00:14:41.554 --> 00:14:48.335 I do not tell people that nutrition is going to cure your cancer, but it's essential as part of comprehensive cancer treatment. 200 00:14:48.656 --> 00:14:58.678 Every cancer patient needs an aggressive nutrition component in order to improve their odds for quality and quantity of life and chances for a complete remission. 201 00:14:58.938 --> 00:15:00.978 And I've seen that hundreds of times. 202 00:15:01.778 --> 00:15:03.959 But my quest has been down a pathway. 203 00:15:03.999 --> 00:15:04.899 And now, Chris... 204 00:15:05.619 --> 00:15:10.387 Now what we've done is we've gone from riding a bicycle to being on a rocket ship. 205 00:15:10.607 --> 00:15:17.718 So it used to 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me all afternoon at a biomedical library to find two or three articles that were of interest. 206 00:15:18.319 --> 00:15:19.861 Now I get into AI. 207 00:15:20.762 --> 00:15:23.366 And I pay for the quality one, the premium service. 208 00:15:23.766 --> 00:15:25.509 And I ask questions, prompts. 209 00:15:25.549 --> 00:15:29.775 And I say, and I want PMC links to the National Library of Medicine. 210 00:15:30.275 --> 00:15:35.142 And literally within a few minutes, I get more information than I can read in the next half hour. 211 00:15:36.003 --> 00:15:38.424 As if I wasn't already a data glutton. 212 00:15:38.864 --> 00:15:41.945 Now what you have is I'm a diabetic in a candy store. 213 00:15:42.025 --> 00:15:43.265 I can't get enough of this stuff. 214 00:15:43.946 --> 00:15:51.448 And what's happening, Chris, is all of my suspicions, all of my directions are being proven true. 215 00:15:51.948 --> 00:15:59.170 That nutrition is an incredibly underreported vector in the healthcare dilemma in America. 216 00:15:59.490 --> 00:16:00.731 And what I'd share with you is, 217 00:16:01.842 --> 00:16:08.784 There's an abundance of unnecessary suffering going on in the world, and much of it is because of malnutrition. 218 00:16:09.504 --> 00:16:11.064 That's a whole story right there. 219 00:16:12.004 --> 00:16:14.205 Just a couple things to unpack there. 220 00:16:14.625 --> 00:16:24.227 I absolutely believe that, and I've heard actually other people that I've interviewed have actually expressed a surprise at how— 221 00:16:26.645 --> 00:16:30.806 how it could be understood so long ago that the food is the medicine, right? 222 00:16:31.127 --> 00:16:35.408 And part of me is shocking because it's just like, well, where do you put medicine? 223 00:16:35.628 --> 00:16:37.229 Like, it goes in the same hole. 224 00:16:37.649 --> 00:16:39.250 Like, I mean, sometimes you inject it, right? 225 00:16:40.310 --> 00:16:46.073 But so it kind of seems obvious, but that may be because of the knowledge that I've been able to kind of accrue. 226 00:16:47.208 --> 00:16:53.152 Your quote, it may not be what you're eating, but what's eating you, I think is so profound. 227 00:16:53.172 --> 00:16:54.353 And we're picking up a lot of that. 228 00:16:54.373 --> 00:16:56.034 I was in my notes to kind of bring up. 229 00:16:59.024 --> 00:17:04.170 I wanted to touch, you already talked about cancer to a bit of a degree. 230 00:17:04.570 --> 00:17:10.036 You get your nutrition PhD, and then how quickly do you get focused on cancer, right? 231 00:17:10.056 --> 00:17:12.819 Because that could go all sorts of directions. 232 00:17:13.100 --> 00:17:18.585 And what leads you down that path to really get focused on cancer and ultimately write that book on nutrition and cancer? 233 00:17:19.186 --> 00:17:20.688 Good question. 234 00:17:20.828 --> 00:17:34.201 So after my degrees, my formal training, I was teaching college, San Diego State, Mesa College, National University, and found the students were somewhat lackluster, you know, not that many of them were as enthused about the subject as I. 235 00:17:35.242 --> 00:17:41.083 We move on, I worked with the La Costa Spa, a world-famous spa in Carlsbad, California. 236 00:17:41.484 --> 00:17:45.344 Moving on, I worked with Scripps Clinic at an executive wellness program. 237 00:17:46.025 --> 00:17:51.066 But all of these had people who were sort of lackluster interested in nutrition. 238 00:17:52.026 --> 00:17:57.087 And then Cancer Treatment Centers of America approached me and said, hey, we need some help here. 239 00:17:57.187 --> 00:18:00.408 And I looked at the situation and found arguably the most 240 00:18:01.729 --> 00:18:08.161 disenfranchised, underserved group of patients in America are cancer patients. 241 00:18:08.421 --> 00:18:13.891 And so my 11 years with them, and it was great, when I started with the group 242 00:18:15.380 --> 00:18:18.102 The doctors came to me and said, so what do you hope to accomplish here? 243 00:18:18.142 --> 00:18:22.446 And I said, I hope to share with you that nutrition can improve your therapies. 244 00:18:22.486 --> 00:18:25.488 I'm not trying to replace you, the doctor, the oncologist. 245 00:18:25.768 --> 00:18:27.129 I want to make you more effective. 246 00:18:27.529 --> 00:18:40.259 I want you to be the one who goes to the next ASCO meeting and you give a keynote presentation because your patients are doing better than your peers who are using the same chemo and radiation because your patients are getting nutrition. 247 00:18:40.339 --> 00:18:41.300 That was my quest. 248 00:18:41.840 --> 00:18:45.601 And then from that came three international symposia. 249 00:18:46.181 --> 00:19:07.324 So my cancer treatment centers was good enough to support me and we organized three conferences, CME category, continuing medical education category one, first one in 1992 in Tulsa, the next one 94 in Orlando, or no, Tampa, and the next one in San Diego. 250 00:19:07.824 --> 00:19:10.525 The point is we brought in 40 doctors to teach 251 00:19:11.465 --> 00:19:14.027 and about 400 doctors to listen and learn. 252 00:19:14.588 --> 00:19:22.254 And the conclusion throughout all of this was, a well-nourished cancer patient can better manage the disease and the therapies. 253 00:19:22.554 --> 00:19:27.578 And from that came a textbook, Adjuvant Nutrition and Cancer Treatment, which I co-edited. 254 00:19:27.658 --> 00:19:31.902 So the evidence is overwhelming that every cancer patient needs help. 255 00:19:32.582 --> 00:19:37.686 Unfortunately, this is also an area of great chaos, in my opinion. 256 00:19:38.206 --> 00:19:51.915 You've got about 10,000 board-certified oncologists who labor under the illusion that micronutrients such as vitamins, minerals, antioxidants will reduce the effectiveness of their chemo and radiation, which is not true. 257 00:19:52.516 --> 00:19:56.959 And so I'm going to give your viewers a one-minute Reader's Digest

synopsis 258 00:19:57.779 --> 00:20:00.322 of my 30 years of working with cancer patients. 259 00:20:00.362 --> 00:20:04.546 There's five reasons why every cancer patient needs aggressive nutrition. 260 00:20:05.206 --> 00:20:10.472 Number one, malnutrition kills 40% or more of all cancer patients. 261 00:20:10.612 --> 00:20:13.735 And the only thing that can address that is proper nutrition. 262 00:20:14.435 --> 00:20:18.578 Number two is that your immune system has failed if you have cancer. 263 00:20:19.038 --> 00:20:22.801 The immune system is supposed to recognize self from non-self. 264 00:20:23.421 --> 00:20:25.763 And if you have cancer, it's failed in its duties. 265 00:20:25.903 --> 00:20:32.308 And nutrition can go a long way towards bolstering the immune system to be able to recognize and destroy the invaders. 266 00:20:33.028 --> 00:20:35.110 Number three, cancer is a sugar feeder. 267 00:20:36.130 --> 00:20:38.791 Cancer is an obligate glucose metabolizer. 268 00:20:38.831 --> 00:20:45.633 This was proven in 1930 with Otto Warburg, who was given a Nobel Prize in Medicine for his work proving this. 269 00:20:46.353 --> 00:20:50.214 And because of that work, they have a PET scan today in modern cancer hospitals. 270 00:20:50.274 --> 00:20:52.815 PET, positron emission tomography. 271 00:20:53.255 --> 00:20:57.196 They inject radioactively labeled sugar into your veins of the cancer patient. 272 00:20:57.216 --> 00:20:59.717 They scan you with a Geiger counter-like device. 273 00:21:00.117 --> 00:21:01.938 Where did the radioactive sugar go? 274 00:21:01.958 --> 00:21:05.341 Because that's where the cancer is, because cancer is a sugar feeder. 275 00:21:05.881 --> 00:21:07.802 And then the patient says, doctor, what should I eat? 276 00:21:07.962 --> 00:21:09.543 And the doctor says, eat whatever you want. 277 00:21:10.324 --> 00:21:13.126 Does that make sense? 278 00:21:13.586 --> 00:21:14.567 I laugh too, Chris. 279 00:21:14.627 --> 00:21:17.289 And so number three is cancer is a sugar feeder. 280 00:21:17.369 --> 00:21:23.473 And diet, supplements, exercise, and meditation, and even some medications can help control that. 281 00:21:23.973 --> 00:21:24.554 Number four. 282 00:21:25.578 --> 00:21:32.219 We have the business of preventing unnecessary damage or collateral damage from chemo and radiation. 283 00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:38.140 So chemo and radiation do kill cancer cells, but they can also kill the patient. 284 00:21:38.641 --> 00:21:39.641 And this is very clear. 285 00:21:39.801 --> 00:21:40.821 Collateral damage. 286 00:21:42.081 --> 00:21:50.883 They are famous for nausea, hair loss, vomiting, weakness, edema, the list of side effects. 287 00:21:51.383 --> 00:21:54.926 cardiomyopathy, the heart fails, the kidneys fail, etc. 288 00:21:55.466 --> 00:21:59.810 Nutrients can make those therapies more of a rifle rather than a hand grenade. 289 00:22:00.170 --> 00:22:09.718 And that's very clearly proven, but the oncologists, unfortunately, have rejected that, although they will prescribe prescription antioxidants. 290 00:22:09.738 --> 00:22:10.358 So get this. 291 00:22:11.059 --> 00:22:27.384 They won't let the patient take extra vitamin C or beta-carotene or selenium or glutathione, which are natural antioxidants, but they will prescribe dextrazozone and a whole assortment of prescription antioxidants. 292 00:22:27.844 --> 00:22:30.625 Now, if you can get the logic of that, please explain it to me. 293 00:22:31.125 --> 00:22:36.447 Anyway, number four is nutrients make cancer treatment more of a rifle than a hand grenade. 294 00:22:36.807 --> 00:22:44.590 And number five, the really exciting part to me, is nutrients become biological response modifiers. 295 00:22:44.710 --> 00:22:53.134 In 1971, Richard Nixon launched the war on cancer in which he said, we will have a cure for a major cancer within five years, the bicentennial. 296 00:22:53.914 --> 00:23:01.282 And so they thought if we throw enough money at this, cancer will be cured, like we went to the moon, like we built the Panama Canal. 297 00:23:01.382 --> 00:23:03.604 Should be just nothing more than a little technology. 298 00:23:04.285 --> 00:23:11.132 And if you think about the comparison, in 1903, the Wright brothers had their first flight of about 100 feet. 299 00:23:12.787 --> 00:23:17.429 55 years later, we had transatlantic commercial flights. 300 00:23:17.469 --> 00:23:18.730 55 years. 301 00:23:18.870 --> 00:23:23.112 In 1971, Richard Nixon launched the war on cancer. 302 00:23:23.152 --> 00:23:26.534 55 years later, we have no cures for any major cancers. 303 00:23:26.914 --> 00:23:31.796 We have some cures for some childhood, which are these rare, obscure cancers. 304 00:23:32.477 --> 00:23:33.077 Good on them. 305 00:23:33.297 --> 00:23:33.737 Wonderful. 306 00:23:34.278 --> 00:23:40.301 But the fact is the war on cancer has cost us now about $200 billion in research, which is a great deal. 307 00:23:41.241 --> 00:23:43.002 And about a trillion in therapies. 308 00:23:43.062 --> 00:23:45.824 And we're no closer to a cancer cure than at the beginning. 309 00:23:45.864 --> 00:23:48.946 And it's because of their illogical approach to this. 310 00:23:49.006 --> 00:23:54.130 So number five is nutrients become biological response modifiers. 311 00:23:55.370 --> 00:23:57.012 We know, for instance, the mechanism. 312 00:23:57.072 --> 00:23:59.913 So the war on cancer has not been a complete failure. 313 00:24:00.174 --> 00:24:01.074 We know more about it. 314 00:24:01.495 --> 00:24:03.416 We know more of the mechanisms of cancer. 315 00:24:03.456 --> 00:24:06.178 For instance, apoptosis, apoptosis. 316 00:24:07.118 --> 00:24:08.378 is programmed cell death. 317 00:24:08.779 --> 00:24:14.520 And so all cells in the body grow, mature, and die, except cancer cells. 318 00:24:14.800 --> 00:24:15.580 They're immortal. 319 00:24:16.180 --> 00:24:18.181 And so they grow and they don't die. 320 00:24:18.241

--> 00:24:20.862 They don't have apoptosis, programmed cell death. 321 00:24:21.302 --> 00:24:28.024 If you can induce apoptosis on a cancer cell, now you have what would be a selective toxin. 322 00:24:28.424 --> 00:24:30.964 And there's a number of nutrients that do that. 323 00:24:31.084 --> 00:24:32.745 Selenium, turmeric, turmeric. 324 00:24:33.305 --> 00:24:37.727 Fish oil, among others, biological response modifiers. 325 00:24:37.767 --> 00:24:42.428 For instance, fish oil changes the viscosity of the blood. 326 00:24:42.888 --> 00:24:45.809 Cancer doesn't kill you by having one little spot here. 327 00:24:46.149 --> 00:24:49.450 When it spreads or metastasizes, that's the cause of death. 328 00:24:49.971 --> 00:24:53.452 And so it has to have a certain amount of adhesion. 329 00:24:53.892 --> 00:24:56.473 It goes out like this sticky thing in the blood vessels. 330 00:24:56.493 --> 00:24:57.333 Yeah. 331 00:24:57.433 --> 00:24:59.777 Fish oil helps to prevent that adhesion. 332 00:25:00.057 --> 00:25:03.302 It's an extremely powerful anti-cancer agent. 333 00:25:04.003 --> 00:25:07.107 We can talk about green tea, EGCG. 334 00:25:07.949 --> 00:25:12.756 Green tea, if it was a patentable drug, it would be a multibillion-dollar industry. 335 00:25:13.216 --> 00:25:19.379 strongly encourage your viewers to start using green tea, matcha green tea, whatever you want. 336 00:25:20.139 --> 00:25:26.062 But it's an anti-cancer, antioxidant, anti-inflammatory, anti-aging substance. 337 00:25:26.562 --> 00:25:37.828 So if we were to pursue these non-patentable biological response modifiers, we would be much closer to a cancer cure than we are right now. 338 00:25:37.848 --> 00:25:40.309 Because all they're doing right now is it's got to be patentable. 339 00:25:40.829 --> 00:25:42.951 Well, that means you can't use anything in nature. 340 00:25:43.831 --> 00:25:50.617 It's a shame you don't have any passion about this topic. 341 00:25:51.698 --> 00:25:59.184 So one of the things you mentioned, physicians saying stay away from, you know, regular antioxidants and they'll prescribe stuff. 342 00:26:00.125 --> 00:26:09.913 My understanding, and it's mostly because of a molecule I've been working with for so long, is that a selective antioxidant is OK and or preferable over kind of a, 343 00:26:10.857 --> 00:26:13.760 a carp launch antioxidant, like a vitamin C or whatever. 344 00:26:15.321 --> 00:26:24.528 Is that what they're trying to do with these prescriptions where they're going, where those particular antioxidants are more selective, like maybe a hydrogen gas situation? 345 00:26:25.149 --> 00:26:27.951 No, actually, it's not even that well applied. 346 00:26:28.051 --> 00:26:35.036 So an antioxidant, in the basic math, you would say a pro-oxidant, which is chemo and radiation, 347 00:26:35.837 --> 00:26:38.559 is going to kill cells non-selectively. 348 00:26:39.059 --> 00:26:54.768 What they hope is the chemo is going to kill rapidly growing cells, which includes the lining of the tongue, the lining of the gut, new red blood cells, which means now you're going to have anemia, new white blood cells, which means now you've got leukopemia and a suppression of the immune system. 349 00:26:54.788 --> 00:26:58.531 So it kills non-selectively all rapidly growing cells. 350 00:26:58.951 --> 00:27:01.953 And their theory is if you've taken pro-oxidant chemo, 351 00:27:02.942 --> 00:27:09.688 and you're going to, coolant is going to give them an antioxidant, vitamin C, E, CoQ, glutathione. 352 00:27:10.428 --> 00:27:13.091 It's going to neutralize the benefits of my chemo. 353 00:27:13.771 --> 00:27:14.332 No, it doesn't. 354 00:27:14.892 --> 00:27:19.896 Back to the business of cancer is a selectively unique molecule or cell growth. 355 00:27:20.457 --> 00:27:24.180 Cancer is actually, it's an obligate glucose metabolizer. 356 00:27:24.600 --> 00:27:25.921 And so it's taking in sugar, 357 00:27:27.082 --> 00:27:35.585 And because it is somewhat of an anaerobic creature, now think about it, an antioxidant protects us from the effects of oxidation. 358 00:27:36.486 --> 00:27:40.767 What if you've got a cell that doesn't worry about oxidation because it doesn't use oxygen? 359 00:27:41.388 --> 00:27:45.849 Antioxidants are not absorbed into a cancer cell. 360 00:27:46.470 --> 00:27:46.730 So... 361 00:27:47.715 --> 00:27:59.618 Now, there's at least three major meta-analysis of the literature, Chris, on the whole subject of antioxidant supplements enhance the effectiveness of chemo and radiation. 362 00:28:00.438 --> 00:28:09.140 A friend of mine, Charles Simone, MD, Master of Science, a daughter and a son, both MDs, all at the National Cancer Institute, 363 00:28:09.580 --> 00:28:11.302 all of them are freakingly brilliant. 364 00:28:11.683 --> 00:28:12.584 They wrote a review. 365 00:28:12.644 --> 00:28:25.359 If you look up Simone, S-I-M-O-N-E, on the National Library of Medicine, you'll see their review, which looked at 150 studies on the subject of antioxidants, and they find across the board... 366 00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:28.541 It usually helps and it never hurts. 367 00:28:29.641 --> 00:28:33.742 Another review was from a Keith Block, B-L-O-C-K, an MD. 368 00:28:34.102 --> 00:28:36.063 Again, like 150 studies. 369 00:28:36.123 --> 00:28:40.424 And he said, no, this antioxidants will improve outcome in cancer treatment. 370 00:28:40.464 --> 00:28:46.506 And so the oncologist, it's almost like we're in an Alice in Wonderland. 371 00:28:47.306 --> 00:28:51.968 I've actually been at their conferences and they say, we're going to err on the side of caution. 372 00:28:53.248 --> 00:28:56.669 So they say, we're not really sure that these antioxidants are safe. 373 00:28:56.689 --> 00:28:59.249 Well, I'll take it and flip that around. 374 00:29:00.269 --> 00:29:07.930 There's several studies showing that chemotherapy in advanced epithelial cancer is effective in about 2% of all cases. 375

00:29:08.691 --> 00:29:11.011 Well, prayer is effective in 10% of cases. 376 00:29:11.931 --> 00:29:22.713 So if you're saying, I'm going to give chemo what might help 2% of the patients, but I don't want you to neutralize the benefits of my chemo, sometimes all I can do is just smile. 377 00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:36.668 Yeah, neutralize the benefits with something that is known to be healthy for the body and, you know, is really kind of an expert nutritionist would prescribe those exact same things. 378 00:29:36.868 --> 00:29:37.749 That's very interesting. 379 00:29:38.849 --> 00:29:42.311 One other thing, because I want to make sure we get time for your book. 380 00:29:42.572 --> 00:29:46.954 There are some new treatments that just came out recently, which are kind of RNA focused. 381 00:29:47.275 --> 00:29:52.878 And they're kind of getting the immune system to actually become aware that these cancer cells are present today. 382 00:29:53.358 --> 00:29:58.703 I'm assuming you're following that as the information hound that you describe yourself. 383 00:29:58.963 --> 00:30:02.666 How do you think of those and how about their applicability? 384 00:30:02.806 --> 00:30:06.649 Is that potentially across all cancers or is this going to be a narrow focus of cancers? 385 00:30:07.798 --> 00:30:10.439 I am sitting in the bleachers and I'm cheering them on. 386 00:30:10.940 --> 00:30:12.600 I am not a molecular biologist. 387 00:30:12.760 --> 00:30:14.921 I'm not at the National Cancer Institute. 388 00:30:15.302 --> 00:30:17.283 And I cheer them on and I hope they do well. 389 00:30:17.603 --> 00:30:23.385 However, I would also add in that they've already had $200 billion in 55 years. 390 00:30:23.906 --> 00:30:27.628 And how many times do you get to strike out before we say, let's try something different? 391 00:30:28.048 --> 00:30:29.588 And I'll share with you the paradigm. 392 00:30:29.608 --> 00:30:30.769 Here's what's going on, Chris. 393 00:30:31.549 --> 00:30:34.451 Their model is we must cut, burn, and poison. 394 00:30:35.011 --> 00:30:38.433 We must kill the cancer in order to cure the patient. 395 00:30:38.493 --> 00:30:46.959 There was a study, a paper that came out from the Journal of ASCO in 1994, in which they said, must we kill to cure? 396 00:30:47.620 --> 00:30:54.645 And these oncologists and PhDs were offering the question, we need to re-regulate the body. 397 00:30:54.745 --> 00:30:56.526 So let me take this to a different level. 398 00:30:56.546 --> 00:30:58.367 You're saying, what about messenger RNA? 399 00:30:58.727 --> 00:31:02.730 Do you think we're ever going to be able to vaccinate a cancer patient and eliminate all the cancer? 400 00:31:02.890 --> 00:31:03.370 I hope so. 401 00:31:04.171 --> 00:31:08.693 But I would err on the side of caution that nature is not that simple. 402 00:31:09.573 --> 00:31:14.175 For instance, I'm going to look at the in classical textbooks right now. 403 00:31:14.195 --> 00:31:16.556 There's 50

essential nutrients in the human diet. 404 00:31:17.396 --> 00:31:23.199 Of those 50, 92% of Americans are deficient in one or more of those nutrients. 405 00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:28.201 So let's just look at magnesium, one of the minerals that's essential. 406 00:31:28.722 --> 00:31:30.583 The RDA is 400 milligrams. 407 00:31:31.083 --> 00:31:33.685 The average American gets half of that, 200 milligrams. 408 00:31:34.385 --> 00:31:38.728 Now, magnesium participates in all ATP reactions. 409 00:31:38.848 --> 00:31:41.549 So I'm going to throw some numbers at your viewers. 410 00:31:41.589 --> 00:31:44.051 I know they're sharp because they've been following you for a while. 411 00:31:44.451 --> 00:31:47.733 But there's 37 trillion cells in an adult body. 412 00:31:48.393 --> 00:31:53.979 Each of those cells is conducting about 100,000 biochemical reactions per second. 413 00:31:54.800 --> 00:31:57.823 And all of those reactions need energy or ATP. 414 00:31:58.304 --> 00:32:01.427 And you cannot release ATP without magnesium. 415 00:32:02.088 --> 00:32:05.732 So now when people come back and say, well, what's going to happen if I don't have enough magnesium? 416 00:32:05.752 --> 00:32:05.952 Well, 417 00:32:06.940 --> 00:32:14.505 First thing is you're going to start feeling lethargic, tired, bored, sleepless, depressed, sensitive to noise. 418 00:32:14.525 --> 00:32:15.666 Those are the very beginnings. 419 00:32:15.806 --> 00:32:18.188 Later on, you might end up with chest pains. 420 00:32:18.588 --> 00:32:24.352 How many people check into the ER with allegedly a heart attack, which actually have a magnesium deficiency? 421 00:32:24.692 --> 00:32:25.412 We move on. 422 00:32:25.993 --> 00:32:31.717 If you deprive animals in a research lab of magnesium, they spontaneously develop cancer. 423 00:32:32.955 --> 00:32:35.080 Now, I'm going to come back to your question. 424 00:32:35.762 --> 00:32:41.536 If a patient is deficient in fish oil, magnesium, selenium, chromium, 425 00:32:42.690 --> 00:33:06.164 choline inositol, CoQ, and an assortment of other nutrients, and I can guarantee you they are, if they're deficient in all those nutrients and the cell mechanisms are all impaired, they're limping, and now you're going to inject messenger RNA into them and try and fix a problem that's basically a broken biochemistry problem. 426 00:33:07.365 --> 00:33:09.086 I'd put some money against it working. 427 00:33:10.548 --> 00:33:11.428 Interesting, right? 428 00:33:11.448 --> 00:33:17.413 Like you're, I've heard an example of you've got this factory and the factory's not working. 429 00:33:17.653 --> 00:33:23.177 And now you're just going to load up with, you know, one better engineer who doesn't know how to fix the factory. 430 00:33:24.678 --> 00:33:25.639 It's not going to get fixed. 431 00:33:25.679 --> 00:33:26.780 Like there's fundamentals. 432 00:33:26.800 --> 00:33:28.081 You've got to have the raw materials. 433 00:33:28.261 --> 00:33:30.183 I think that's a great thing. 434 00:33:30.939 --> 00:33:32.481 I'll even take it to another level, Chris. 435 00:33:32.521 --> 00:33:34.503 If you want a little bit of controversy, here we go. 436 00:33:34.523 --> 00:33:35.324 Yeah. 437 00:33:37.226 --> 00:33:46.996 Right now we've got 4.6 – no, the new number is $5.4 trillion a year medical industrial complex. 438 00:33:48.357 --> 00:33:52.281 And a patient is only useful if there's half or in between well and dead. 439 00:33:53.182 --> 00:33:55.002 So right now, sickness is big business. 440 00:33:55.943 --> 00:33:58.163 I'll take you to the cities of Cleveland and Pittsburgh. 441 00:33:58.203 --> 00:34:00.924 At one time, they were major industrial complexes. 442 00:34:00.964 --> 00:34:02.964 They were gutted of their industry. 443 00:34:02.984 --> 00:34:06.205 And the city father said, well, then let's turn the whole city into a hospital. 444 00:34:07.045 --> 00:34:10.006 The Cleveland Clinic, it's six blocks by six blocks. 445 00:34:10.106 --> 00:34:11.866 Pittsburgh, major medical center. 446 00:34:12.267 --> 00:34:15.367 So treating sickness is incredibly profitable. 447 00:34:15.687 --> 00:34:16.768 Take it to the next level. 448 00:34:16.908 --> 00:34:22.949 Oncologists, about two-thirds of their income is by selling and getting a profit from chemotherapy. 449 00:34:24.130 --> 00:34:30.015 Now, in medicine, it's considered unethical to take a profit if you are selling a drug. 450 00:34:30.075 --> 00:34:35.659 So a doctor cannot say, Chris, I want you to take this Prozac and I'm going to get a profit from it. 451 00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:36.500 They can't do that. 452 00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:38.461 But in oncology, they can. 453 00:34:39.202 --> 00:34:46.131 So we have conflicts of interest going on in some industries, and we have an illogical system. 454 00:34:46.932 --> 00:34:55.764 And what's going to change it is people like you and your followers, where you go to your doctor and one of your readers, one of your followers, your listeners, is saying, 455 00:34:56.204 --> 00:34:57.325 You're going to the oncologist. 456 00:34:57.846 --> 00:35:01.669 I want this thing that I saw on Chris Burris and Patrick Cullen. 457 00:35:01.689 --> 00:35:02.470 He's got this book here. 458 00:35:02.490 --> 00:35:03.411 Would you do this for me? 459 00:35:03.791 --> 00:35:04.812 And the doctor says no. 460 00:35:05.213 --> 00:35:07.074 And so the patient goes to the next doctor. 461 00:35:07.114 --> 00:35:07.935 Would you do it for me? 462 00:35:08.095 --> 00:35:08.336 Yes. 463 00:35:08.876 --> 00:35:14.501 And that doctor ends up with a room full of patients because he's willing to listen to the patient. 464 00:35:14.982 --> 00:35:17.744 So this is going to be a consumer-driven thing. 465 00:35:18.625 --> 00:35:19.386 Movement. 466 00:35:19.446 --> 00:35:21.409 Literally, it's going to be a tsunami. 467 00:35:22.371 --> 00:35:24.754 What will happen is an avalanche. 468 00:35:25.155 --> 00:35:28.159 When

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techniques and eventually hold your breath for lengthy periods of time. 497 00:37:31.072 --> 00:37:41.455 And the next one said, I tell my patients to shove a toothbrush into the back of their throat to stimulate the vagus nerve to improve the flow of the vagus nerve in all internal organs. 498 00:37:41.535 --> 00:37:44.975 And so I just rolled my eyes and I thought, have we lost our minds? 499 00:37:45.736 --> 00:37:52.477 There's two main urges in the human mind, and that's to seek pleasure and to avoid discomfort. 500 00:37:53.177 --> 00:37:58.739 And given that, isn't there anything that feels good that can be scientifically backed that we can recommend? 501 00:37:58.919 --> 00:37:59.639 And the answer is yes. 502 00:38:00.499 --> 00:38:02.762 So that's why I wrote The Pleasure Advantage. 503 00:38:03.222 --> 00:38:12.834 And we could go down the pathway of chocolate, laughter, green tea, coffee, vacation, sunshine, fruit, of all of them. 504 00:38:13.494 --> 00:38:18.580 The most scientifically documented of my 26 is belonging. 505 00:38:19.418 --> 00:38:23.400 That was my next question, so thank you for jumping right to that. 506 00:38:23.420 --> 00:38:25.721 The most important one is belonging. 507 00:38:26.282 --> 00:38:26.902 Absolutely. 508 00:38:27.402 --> 00:38:29.283 So, we are social creatures. 509 00:38:30.324 --> 00:38:35.787 And days gone by when clans would want to punish someone in the group, they didn't kill them. 510 00:38:35.987 --> 00:38:37.107 They ostracized them. 511 00:38:37.488 --> 00:38:39.209 They sent them off away from the tribe. 512 00:38:40.129 --> 00:38:41.550 And so, we are social people. 513 00:38:41.610 --> 00:38:45.312 We're built to be surrounded by like-minded people. 514 00:38:47.053 --> 00:38:47.594 Waldinger. 515 00:38:47.634 --> 00:38:51.917 Robert Waldinger was a professor of psychiatry at Harvard who wrote a book, The Good Life. 516 00:38:52.417 --> 00:39:03.986 They've done an 80-year study looking at multiple generations of people, and they find across the board, loners die sooner and have more morbidities. 517 00:39:04.026 --> 00:39:06.288 They get sicker and they die sooner, loners. 518 00:39:06.328 --> 00:39:11.232 So having a family network, a safety network, is incredibly important. 519 00:39:11.312 --> 00:39:11.432 So 520 00:39:12.373 --> 00:39:14.455 I recently went to a conference. 521 00:39:14.475 --> 00:39:20.001 I won't mention the name, but it was in Phoenix, and it was on the idea of we're going to outsmart death. 522 00:39:20.781 --> 00:39:28.630 And so you've got people taking fists full of supplements, and one of the presentations, which I almost had to laugh at, 523 00:39:29.070 --> 00:39:38.053 They're giving interleukin-11 inhibitors to rats, hoping it will colonize each cell and make them live longer. 524 00:39:38.213 --> 00:39:39.313 How practical is this? 525 00:39:39.373 --> 00:39:44.695 Anyway, there was two days worth of pie-in-the-sky things, but you could do all of those.

526 00:39:45.655 --> 00:39:48.216 And if you have no friends or family, you're going to die sooner. 527 00:39:49.177 --> 00:39:55.140 I could talk about vacations, fruit, chocolate, forgiveness, gratitude. 528 00:39:55.180 --> 00:39:56.401 Let me stop there for a second. 529 00:39:56.441 --> 00:39:56.921 Gratitude. 530 00:39:56.961 --> 00:39:59.362 And actually, let me try to summarize. 531 00:39:59.402 --> 00:40:04.705 I know that we have limited time together, and I could, as you can see, ramble on endlessly. 532 00:40:05.226 --> 00:40:10.088 But the human nervous system, we've got two parallel nervous systems. 533 00:40:10.648 --> 00:40:12.930 One is the sympathetic, and that's the fight or flight. 534 00:40:13.570 --> 00:40:17.331 And that's the, what was that movement in the grass over there? 535 00:40:17.371 --> 00:40:18.811 Was that a snake or a tiger? 536 00:40:19.391 --> 00:40:20.512 Do I need to be aware? 537 00:40:20.972 --> 00:40:24.233 And so fight or flight triggers adrenaline. 538 00:40:24.833 --> 00:40:26.813 Now you've got cortisol flowing. 539 00:40:26.853 --> 00:40:30.354 Now the heart rate goes up, digestion changes. 540 00:40:30.494 --> 00:40:34.875 All of that is meant to be like a one to five minute escape. 541 00:40:35.095 --> 00:40:37.336 Fight or flight, and you lived or you didn't. 542 00:40:37.796 --> 00:40:39.096 And now you go back to normal. 543 00:40:39.536 --> 00:40:42.897 The other side of that is parasympathetic, rest and digest. 544 00:40:43.577 --> 00:40:54.000 And so the human beings are meant to survive these brief moments of danger and spend most of our lives in rest and digest. 545 00:40:54.460 --> 00:41:05.542 But modern humans, somewhere between crowds and traffic and debt, children problems, marriage problems, all those things add up. 546 00:41:05.722 --> 00:41:11.864 And we end up watching the news at 11 o'clock at night and think of all the terrible things happening in the world and go to bed regularly. 547 00:41:12.144 --> 00:41:14.945 with nothing more than fight or flight going. 548 00:41:15.465 --> 00:41:23.528 And so many of these 26 factors in my book are attempting to restore homeostasis to your body. 549 00:41:24.108 --> 00:41:27.789 So if you are in constant, vigilant, red alert... 550 00:41:28.610 --> 00:41:30.412 You're literally wearing your body out. 551 00:41:30.652 --> 00:41:32.273 And so, for instance, vacations. 552 00:41:33.134 --> 00:41:43.204 Studies, plural, have shown that people who take a vacation at least every two years have something like a 40% reduction in heart attack rates. 553 00:41:43.624 --> 00:41:44.345 A vacation. 554 00:41:44.805 --> 00:41:45.846 Just gear down. 555 00:41:46.367 --> 00:41:47.368 Do something different. 556 00:41:47.388 --> 00:41:48.369 You don't even have to leave. 557 00:41:48.849 --> 00:41:50.290 You can do a staycation. 558 00:41:50.330 --> 00:41:53.233 So some people are saying, you know, I really don't have enough money to go to Rome. 559 00:41:53.293 --> 00:41:53.994 That's okay. 560 00:41:54.434 --> 00:42:00.739 Just turn off the phone, sit in the back porch, play some checkers, chess, some vacations. 561 00:42:01.259 --> 00:42:03.221 Another one is forgiveness and gratitude. 562 00:42:03.241 --> 00:42:04.602 Let me stop on gratitude. 563 00:42:05.503 --> 00:42:09.526 Clear psychological studies have shown that people who focus on... 564 00:42:10.186 --> 00:42:15.871 on what they're grateful for, end up seeing more of things that they will be grateful for. 565 00:42:15.891 --> 00:42:22.037 So you change the focus of your brain and you start inviting more of those things into your life. 566 00:42:22.457 --> 00:42:28.663 And instead of fight or flight, you're more into rest and digest and your life starts becoming more valuable. 567 00:42:29.564 --> 00:42:29.984 Laughter. 568 00:42:31.085 --> 00:42:33.768 What are the following longevity experts have in common? 569 00:42:33.908 --> 00:42:34.409 Bob Hope. 570 00:42:35.300 --> 00:42:43.866 George Burns, Phyllis Diller, Betty White, Dick Van Dyke, Art Linkletter. 571 00:42:44.346 --> 00:42:48.469 They were all comedians, and they all outlived the average by 10 or 20 years. 572 00:42:49.029 --> 00:42:56.134 So John Kennedy said that humor is the balancing stick that allows us to walk the tightrope of life. 573 00:42:57.074 --> 00:42:58.775 Humor allows us to tolerate. 574 00:42:58.815 --> 00:43:00.235 It's sort of the shock absorbers. 575 00:43:00.295 --> 00:43:02.236 It gets us down the bumpy roads of life. 576 00:43:02.776 --> 00:43:05.738 So look at my book, The Pleasure Advantage. 577 00:43:06.238 --> 00:43:10.980 The illustrations are worth the price of admission alone, and you will enjoy the book. 578 00:43:11.460 --> 00:43:13.801 And when you're finished, you'll start enjoying life more. 579 00:43:13.901 --> 00:43:17.403 And I'm going to add years to your life and life to your years. 580 00:43:18.341 --> 00:43:18.701 I love it. 581 00:43:18.821 --> 00:43:27.444 One of the things that I wanted to kind of go back to was actually kind of where you started, which was the, you know, the parasympathetic and the sympathetic, right? 582 00:43:27.584 --> 00:43:31.805 It's intent to keep us safe from danger, right? 583 00:43:31.825 --> 00:43:33.145 So lions typically. 584 00:43:33.165 --> 00:43:38.027 And one thing I think a lot of people don't realize, OK, great, you want to get into the parasympathetic. 585 00:43:38.973 --> 00:43:44.038 But typically those required a physical response, right? 586 00:43:44.058 --> 00:43:44.318 Okay. 587 00:43:44.358 --> 00:43:48.903 So in the case of freeze, flight, fight, or freeze, freeze does happen. 588 00:43:49.003 --> 00:43:57.612 Sometimes it's probably a lesser strategy, but in the fight or flight, there's physical release of the cortisol, adrenaline, everything that's pumped up. 589 00:43:57.672 --> 00:43:57.752 So 590 00:43:58.152 --> 00:44:01.553 So you need to have that movement as part of

it. 591 00:44:01.613 --> 00:44:05.594 And you can just, I have a dog, a mini schnauzer, super cute dog. 592 00:44:05.874 --> 00:44:07.255 She's awesome, Molly. 593 00:44:07.535 --> 00:44:09.395 But you can see, like, she'll start barking at the door. 594 00:44:09.555 --> 00:44:11.856 And then when she realizes it's fine, she shakes it off. 595 00:44:11.996 --> 00:44:17.198 Like, these animals will often shake off that cortisol slash adrenaline. 596 00:44:17.618 --> 00:44:20.139 And we don't have that mechanism, right? 597 00:44:20.179 --> 00:44:23.260 Like, we can't walk into a room and like, oh, that was a tough conversation. 598 00:44:24.040 --> 00:44:27.261 So I think it's really important to kind of throw in movement. 599 00:44:27.581 --> 00:44:27.781 Yeah. 600 00:44:28.141 --> 00:44:28.721 Absolutely. 601 00:44:28.802 --> 00:44:36.466 And just to put a exclamation point on your sentence, exercise is critical. 602 00:44:36.566 --> 00:44:42.089 I didn't include it in the book because not everybody considers exercise to be pleasurable, but it is absolutely essential. 603 00:44:42.309 --> 00:44:42.809 But you're right. 604 00:44:43.009 --> 00:44:49.373 Once you've been shaken up and it's fight or flight, they were able to run off the cortisol. 605 00:44:50.254 --> 00:44:56.257 Today, Bob sits at his desk, his cubicle, and his boss said, you better have this done by tomorrow morning or you're fired. 606 00:44:56.537 --> 00:44:57.578 He's not running around. 607 00:44:57.598 --> 00:44:58.978 He's just sitting there drenched. 608 00:44:59.439 --> 00:45:02.560 He is literally marinating in the juices of stress. 609 00:45:03.261 --> 00:45:06.482 Yeah, no, I think it's a really important point. 610 00:45:06.922 --> 00:45:16.527 So a lot of things in your book, say coffee, chocolate, sunlight, red wine, even naps can be beneficial or harmful depending on the dose. 611 00:45:16.628 --> 00:45:22.791 What separates kind of a longevity promoting pleasure from simply overindulgence? 612 00:45:23.507 --> 00:45:24.267 Yeah, good point. 613 00:45:24.967 --> 00:45:32.069 And I think that was Paracelsus who gave us the axiom of, it is difference between a medicine and a poison is dosage. 614 00:45:32.609 --> 00:45:34.550 And you could say that for almost anything. 615 00:45:34.590 --> 00:45:38.251 You could say money, you know, I guess maybe Paris Hilton is an example. 616 00:45:38.291 --> 00:45:39.831 There is such a thing as too much money. 617 00:45:40.671 --> 00:45:45.493 There is such a thing as too much sunlight, too much wine, too much food. 618 00:45:46.413 --> 00:45:49.634 So there is what they talk about a window of efficacy. 619 00:45:50.615 --> 00:45:52.017 So you need to eat to live. 620 00:45:52.217 --> 00:45:53.579 If you eat too much, you're obese. 621 00:45:54.160 --> 00:45:55.521 You need to exercise to live. 622 00:45:55.562 --> 00:45:59.767 If you overexercise, you've overused your joints and you might end up with knee replacement. 623 00:46:00.669 --> 00:46:05.556 Sunlight, very clearly excess sunlight can cause skin cancer, no question. 624 00:46:06.597 --> 00:46:11.120 but we're going beyond just sunlight generating vitamin D in the skin. 625 00:46:11.200 --> 00:46:14.122 Now what we know, it is a bioregulator. 626 00:46:15.042 --> 00:46:18.044 There is a suprachiasmatic center behind our eyes. 627 00:46:18.144 --> 00:46:26.110 It takes in the sunlight and it measures it, and it distributes hormones throughout the body from that, including melatonin for sleep. 628 00:46:27.011 --> 00:46:33.315 And so just taking in some sunlight is an important part of your biorhythms, circadian rhythms, 629 00:46:33.735 --> 00:46:36.136 You don't have to have a lifeguard's tan. 630 00:46:36.936 --> 00:46:39.716 But sunlight, dosage is the issue. 631 00:46:40.677 --> 00:46:45.618 Red wine, one or two glasses has been clearly proven to extend lifespan. 632 00:46:45.638 --> 00:46:47.518 It's part of the Mediterranean lifestyle. 633 00:46:48.198 --> 00:46:50.499 And people oftentimes ask me, so what diet? 634 00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:54.900 You nutritionists can't seem to get anything in cooperation. 635 00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:57.141 So should I be a vegan, carnivore? 636 00:46:57.181 --> 00:46:58.001 What do you want me to do? 637 00:46:58.921 --> 00:47:03.442 The best studied diet on the planet Earth is the Mediterranean lifestyle and diet. 638 00:47:03.842 --> 00:47:24.872 which is plant-based, meaning a lot of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, nuts, seeds, legumes, seaweed, mushrooms, medicinal plants, which are spices, and then some animal food, chicken, fish, turkey, red meat, fermented dairy, etc., olive oil, but a big part of that is red wine. 639 00:47:25.472 --> 00:47:30.695 And what they have found is there are one of the most complex chemicals in the planet Earth 640 00:47:31.455 --> 00:47:41.839 is red wine because what you have is Saccharomyces cerevisiae, the yeast goes in and you give it a grape, you squash the grape and you put yeast in there and have it start fermenting. 641 00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:46.521 Yeast are some of the most sophisticated microorganisms on earth. 642 00:47:46.982 --> 00:47:52.984 They have enzymes that can break down just about any molecule and they give off what are called postbiotics. 643 00:47:53.464 --> 00:47:57.566 Well one of them is alcohol obviously, another one is resveratrol. 644 00:47:57.966 --> 00:48:09.357 But there are many others that are in red wine, and what they have shown is lowers the risk for heart disease, even cognitive decline, diabetes, obesity. 645 00:48:10.157 --> 00:48:14.902 And so clearly, one of the most destructive substances on the planet Earth is alcohol. 646 00:48:15.862 --> 00:48:39.470 absolutely but they tried prohibition for about 10 years and it didn't work alcohol consumption went up the mafia got rich and they said we can't do this anymore so where caution failed now we have to come in and say you need to have a

certain amount of moderation here people pregnant women don't drink certain ethnic groups cannot tolerate alcohol don't drink 647 00:48:39.930 --> 00:48:41.471 If you're driving a truck, don't drink. 648 00:48:41.531 --> 00:48:43.893 But there are most people, it's a J curve. 649 00:48:44.493 --> 00:48:48.456 And so the people who have higher morbidity are the ones who don't drink. 650 00:48:49.397 --> 00:48:53.520 Actually, the UK, United Kingdom, has their own version of the FDA. 651 00:48:53.560 --> 00:48:59.284 And they came out with a statement saying those people who do not drink might want to consider it for its health benefits. 652 00:49:01.153 --> 00:49:01.473 Wow. 653 00:49:01.753 --> 00:49:02.794 I thought so. 654 00:49:02.914 --> 00:49:10.717 So I think my understanding at this point, too, like two interesting points is the next generation isn't drinking as much alcohol in general. 655 00:49:11.857 --> 00:49:15.859 And then that that there really isn't a beneficial level. 656 00:49:15.939 --> 00:49:21.401 I think I think it's in my mind, it's potentially the the. 657 00:49:22.421 --> 00:49:26.243 other activities, the fact that you're socializing around a glass of wine. 658 00:49:26.304 --> 00:49:32.027 And if the glass of the wine becomes the impetus, then the first thing you talked about was this community. 659 00:49:32.627 --> 00:49:38.791 And so if it generates community, then it's an overwhelmingly positive thing, even if it's a negative. 660 00:49:39.612 --> 00:49:51.479 And I think, you know, this next generation is, well, I would like, as I'm saying this, I would like to believe that they've just found something else to be communal about, but I think they're actually finding things to not be communal about, so they're not drinking community. 661 00:49:53.801 --> 00:49:55.462 But when they're out, they don't drink as much. 662 00:49:55.482 --> 00:49:56.823 So that's just kind of interesting. 663 00:49:57.003 --> 00:49:59.045 Not saying that anyone has to drink. 664 00:49:59.145 --> 00:50:02.267 I am saying that it is a medicine. 665 00:50:02.287 --> 00:50:08.212 There is a textbook from the New York Academy of Sciences on the health benefits of wine. 666 00:50:08.232 --> 00:50:09.053 We're going to look this up. 667 00:50:09.593 --> 00:50:13.057 It's 300 pages, MDs and PhDs. 668 00:50:13.497 --> 00:50:21.025 And they basically come up with their soundbite is moderate intake of red wine is probably beneficial. 669 00:50:21.125 --> 00:50:23.187 If you can't do moderate, don't touch it. 670 00:50:23.607 --> 00:50:24.368 Yeah, yeah. 671 00:50:24.648 --> 00:50:26.690 That's an important caveat. 672 00:50:27.951 --> 00:50:34.236 And in fact, I was asking about the next, you've already brought it up, the chapter on red wine. 673 00:50:34.737 --> 00:50:39.941 So, forgiveness and purpose seem almost spiritual rather than medicinal. 674 00:50:40.822 --> 00:50:50.370 What convinces a PhD nutritional scientist that forgiveness and purpose

belong in a longevity book alongside olive oil, sleep, and fruit? 675 00:50:50.390 --> 00:50:51.031 Yeah. 676 00:50:51.651 --> 00:50:52.612 Good question, Chris. 677 00:50:53.212 --> 00:50:58.735 When I came out of the blocks after my formal training, I had sort of blinders on about thinking nutrition, this is it. 678 00:50:59.535 --> 00:51:06.038 And then I worked with La Costa and the Scripps Clinic and with clients, and I found, no, no, nutrition won't help everything. 679 00:51:06.058 --> 00:51:09.040 Maybe I need to expand my horizons. 680 00:51:09.640 --> 00:51:12.541 Exercise and attitude have something to do with health. 681 00:51:12.621 --> 00:51:15.763 And so my horizons have expanded to the point of where... 682 00:51:16.744 --> 00:51:19.165 I'm interested in people improving their life. 683 00:51:19.465 --> 00:51:21.647 I'm all about personal empowerment. 684 00:51:22.247 --> 00:51:24.389 I'd like to see people become self-reliant. 685 00:51:24.429 --> 00:51:34.536 Realize that 88% of Americans have some metabolic disease, and that's heart disease, cancer, diabetes, autoimmune, kidney, liver, whatever. 686 00:51:35.537 --> 00:51:42.202 88%, and that the experts tell us that 90% to 95% of that is lifestyle-induced. 687 00:51:42.822 --> 00:51:44.884 Only 5% to 10% is genetics. 688 00:51:45.004 --> 00:51:50.850 And so back to your question of why would I want to talk about forgiveness and gratitude and purpose? 689 00:51:51.431 --> 00:51:53.052 Because I want my people to get well. 690 00:51:53.172 --> 00:52:00.720 And so I have worked with many patients and seen all sorts of problems in their life. 691 00:52:00.840 --> 00:52:02.161 And so I'm not as... 692 00:52:03.042 --> 00:52:09.666 reductionist as to say, you know, take a broad spectrum vitamin mineral supplement and call me in 30 days. 693 00:52:09.766 --> 00:52:11.027 No, it's not that simple. 694 00:52:11.487 --> 00:52:16.910 And many of the people I work with have had major traumatic events in their life. 695 00:52:17.571 --> 00:52:17.931 And so 696 00:52:18.011 --> 00:52:21.453 So, a sense of purpose means a reason to live. 697 00:52:22.373 --> 00:52:35.619 And now I'm deferring to the psychologists, where they will study thousands of people, and they'll publish hundreds of papers, and they'll say, we have found across the board, people who have a direction, they lean into it. 698 00:52:36.099 --> 00:52:41.422 If we don't have a direction, it seems like the human spirit just sort of collapses and caves in on itself. 699 00:52:42.623 --> 00:52:50.769 And so gratitude, sense of purpose, belonging, all of those are psychospiritual, but I think they feed our soul. 700 00:52:51.469 --> 00:52:56.874 So whereas as a nutritionist, I talk about feeding the cell with the biochemistry that we need. 701 00:52:56.954 --> 00:52:57.914 Good, wonderful. 702 00:52:58.295 --> 00:53:01.217 But we are not just biochemical organisms. 703 00:53:01.737 --> 00:53:07.382 We are psychospiritual organisms, and those needs must be met also. 704 00:53:07.402 --> 00:53:08.022 Okay. 705 00:53:09.419 --> 00:53:10.300 It's the whole picture. 706 00:53:10.420 --> 00:53:17.989 You know, I've been – when we were talking about exercise and that you excluded it, I think I found a way that you could include exercise. 707 00:53:18.049 --> 00:53:18.469 It's not easy. 708 00:53:18.489 --> 00:53:18.930 I like yours. 709 00:53:19.511 --> 00:53:19.711 Right? 710 00:53:19.911 --> 00:53:24.376 And it is – a pleasure thing is celebrating movement. 711 00:53:25.918 --> 00:53:26.978 So you kind of force it. 712 00:53:27.899 --> 00:53:29.700 We're working hard to make it happen. 713 00:53:29.740 --> 00:53:33.642 So if you're celebrating movement, that would be pleasurable. 714 00:53:34.043 --> 00:53:37.165 And it does require that you're celebrating it rather than lamenting it. 715 00:53:37.425 --> 00:53:38.525 But I love the phrase. 716 00:53:38.545 --> 00:53:40.086 I heard this a long time ago. 717 00:53:40.106 --> 00:53:50.993 A lot of people will exercise, and maybe this applies to not this current generation because they're not drinking, but a generation that would go tie one on over the weekend and then pay the price in the gym. 718 00:53:51.474 --> 00:53:53.135 And I really like the phrase that. 719 00:53:54.095 --> 00:53:56.956 exercise is not the penance for what you did yesterday. 720 00:53:57.396 --> 00:53:59.676 It's the celebration of what the body can do. 721 00:54:00.236 --> 00:54:02.837 And that's a phrase I use regularly. 722 00:54:02.877 --> 00:54:05.817 And so maybe we got a revision. 723 00:54:06.958 --> 00:54:08.918 I might plagiarize that. 724 00:54:09.718 --> 00:54:10.278 You're welcome to. 725 00:54:10.558 --> 00:54:16.220 I always joke with a buddy of mine, and I want you to put the little register trademark, courtesy of Chris Burris. 726 00:54:18.740 --> 00:54:19.160 All right. 727 00:54:19.200 --> 00:54:21.302 Well, we're about to get to our wrap-up questions. 728 00:54:21.322 --> 00:54:23.284 This has been an amazing conversation. 729 00:54:23.904 --> 00:54:26.326 Your passion is palpable, knowledge palpable. 730 00:54:26.346 --> 00:54:27.367 I really appreciate that. 731 00:54:27.667 --> 00:54:34.152 Is there anything maybe we didn't touch on or any kind of summary that you might want to provide for the Live Beyond the Norms audience? 732 00:54:34.812 --> 00:54:45.463 No, I think the central theme throughout my 47-year career has been to empower my readers, listeners, viewers with a sense of taking control of their life. 733 00:54:45.544 --> 00:54:54.213 Too many people sit back and think, you know, my Aunt Betty just went through cancer treatment and my Uncle Jack had a heart attack and I'm just waiting for it to happen to me. 734 00:54:54.693 --> 00:54:56.174 You don't have to sit back and wait. 735 00:54:56.194 --> 00:54:57.094 You can do something. 736 00:54:57.114 --> 00:54:58.574 You can improve the odds. 737 00:54:59.295 -->

00:55:02.256 And so if you follow my teachings, you improve the odds. 738 00:55:02.616 --> 00:55:06.077 If you run across the freeway at rush hour, you're probably going to get hit. 739 00:55:06.637 --> 00:55:10.038 If you live the typical American lifestyle, you're probably going to get hit. 740 00:55:10.659 --> 00:55:15.500 If you want to improve the odds, you cross the street at midnight where there's almost no traffic. 741 00:55:15.540 --> 00:55:19.442 And I'm improving the odds for the people who will follow my teachings. 742 00:55:20.482 --> 00:55:20.922 I love that. 743 00:55:21.062 --> 00:55:21.863 That's a great summary. 744 00:55:21.923 --> 00:55:22.223 All right. 745 00:55:22.963 --> 00:55:24.224 Now for our wrap-up questions. 746 00:55:24.744 --> 00:55:27.566 Dr. Quillen, do you have a target age that you want to live to? 747 00:55:28.366 --> 00:55:30.147 Quality is very important to me. 748 00:55:30.167 --> 00:55:32.509 I have an excellent quality of life. 749 00:55:32.989 --> 00:55:36.291 I'm 75, no medications, no limitations. 750 00:55:36.391 --> 00:55:37.972 I'm full throttle most days. 751 00:55:38.032 --> 00:55:46.778 I get up at 6 a.m., do what I want, and I have full passion in life, the joie de vivre, as the French call it, the joy of life. 752 00:55:47.238 --> 00:55:49.759 As long as I've got that, I'm 100, 200, I don't know, 753 00:55:51.260 --> 00:55:53.501 Uh, but is there a number I would put on it? 754 00:55:53.561 --> 00:56:08.647 No, I think it's more or less, uh, when, um, the passion of waking up in the morning and something to do and belonging and a sense of purpose, uh, and a sense of vitality and independence, uh, I would not look forward to spending five, 10 years in a nursing home. 755 00:56:08.747 --> 00:56:09.727 Let's put it that way. 756 00:56:10.127 --> 00:56:10.688 Yeah. 757 00:56:10.708 --> 00:56:12.888 I wrote down somewhere between 100 and 200. 758 00:56:13.028 --> 00:56:16.870 Dr. Quillen, how long do you think humans can live? 759 00:56:18.713 --> 00:56:26.795 Theoretically, according to current biology, 120 is quite possible, and more than a few people have made it to that. 760 00:56:27.955 --> 00:56:37.497 According to some of the new gerontologists, people who are experimenting with various biochemical pathways, say that we can go way beyond that. 761 00:56:37.857 --> 00:56:38.878 And I would applaud them. 762 00:56:38.958 --> 00:56:48.160 I'm sitting up in the bleachers saying, we have ignored the greatest longevity substance on the planet Earth, which is optimal nutrition. 763 00:56:48.880 --> 00:56:50.502 Let me take you down that pathway. 764 00:56:51.703 --> 00:56:55.767 As early as Adele Davis, I mentioned her book, Let's Eat Right to Keep Fit. 765 00:56:55.787 --> 00:57:00.072 She wrote that in 1954 and she talked about food and supplements that can help your health. 766 00:57:00.392 --> 00:57:01.914 Good, everybody ignored her. 767 00:57:01.934 --> 00:57:11.204 We fast forward to the orthomolecular people who wrote books in the 1970s talking about higher doses of nutrients can improve your health. 768 00:57:11.564 --> 00:57:20.574 We fast forward to Alan Gaby, brilliant MD, good friend, who wrote a book, Nutritional Medicine, and he talked about the therapeutic use of foods and supplements. 769 00:57:21.235 --> 00:57:27.922 What we're ignoring in this whole quest for longevity is the potential for optimal doses of nutrients. 770 00:57:28.463 --> 00:57:29.524 Now, let's think about this. 771 00:57:30.945 --> 00:57:32.026 At... 772 00:57:34.598 --> 00:57:37.199 50 essential nutrients in the textbooks. 773 00:57:38.339 --> 00:57:45.140 I think it's closer to 100 essential nutrients because I would talk about things like lithium and boron that they don't include. 774 00:57:46.041 --> 00:57:56.243 Anyway, if we included all the nutrients that I think are essential and built them in at optimal biochemical dosage so that, think about your at home. 775 00:57:56.303 --> 00:58:00.844 Let's say you've got a decent home and you've got wife, children, pet, whatever. 776 00:58:01.865 --> 00:58:07.731 everybody could improve their standard of living from surviving to thriving. 777 00:58:08.232 --> 00:58:10.894 And my quest is, you want to live longer. 778 00:58:11.415 --> 00:58:16.420 Let's figure out a way to optimize human biochemistry using nutrition. 779 00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:21.625 And then you don't have to come up with these exotic drugs that you think might help. 780 00:58:21.665 --> 00:58:24.128 There's a Brian Johnson, a multimillionaire, 781 00:58:24.588 --> 00:58:39.035 who was in this quest to live forever, and he spent a couple million a year, and he's apparently not doing that well, but he's got a couple of medical doctors, and he's taken drugs like rapamycin, which are off-label, and a number of things that I would not have recommended. 782 00:58:39.055 --> 00:58:42.717 One of the things, I think he was a vegan for a while. 783 00:58:43.237 --> 00:58:44.838 Point is, you want to live longer. 784 00:58:45.378 --> 00:58:50.060 Let's figure out a way to optimize nutrition, and the problem with that is you can't patent any of it. 785 00:58:50.560 --> 00:58:56.927 So right now, big pharma is a half a trillion, a $500 billion a year industry in America. 786 00:58:57.688 --> 00:59:02.434 The nutrition supplement industry is somewhere around $50 billion, depending on which numbers you believe. 787 00:59:02.474 --> 00:59:04.276 So it's one-tenth of that. 788 00:59:05.056 --> 00:59:07.439 And I'm not trying to push supplements on people. 789 00:59:07.579 --> 00:59:11.484 What I am trying to say is, what if the dosage of... 790 00:59:13.497 --> 00:59:24.320 vitamin D. The RDA right now went from 400 IU to 600 IU, but if you go to the beach in a bathing suit, you make 10,000 to 20,000 IU. 791 00:59:24.921 --> 00:59:26.801 Is that the ideal dosage? 792 00:59:28.141 --> 00:59:29.542 What about if we take vitamin E? 793 00:59:30.682 -->

00:59:32.664 Vitamin E is essential in human nutrition. 794 00:59:32.684 --> 00:59:33.204 We know that. 795 00:59:34.325 --> 00:59:46.736 If you eat a diet rich in whole grains, meaning you brought home wheat, barley, you ground it up, made your own bread, it's got the germ in it, you might get 100 milligrams a day of vitamin E. Mixed to coprols and tokutrinos. 796 00:59:46.776 --> 00:59:47.017 Good. 797 00:59:47.917 --> 00:59:53.219 Today, the RDA is 15 milligrams and 90% of Americans don't get that. 798 00:59:53.939 --> 00:59:58.240 So you want to live longer, what's the optimal dosage of vitamin E? 799 00:59:58.380 --> 01:00:05.502 Because it's the most preeminent fat-soluble antioxidant in the human body, membrane stabilization. 800 01:00:05.962 --> 01:00:11.664 So when I read these textbooks on aging, they'll talk about genomic stability. 801 01:00:12.444 --> 01:00:16.367 What that means is DNA, that the human genome, is the blueprints. 802 01:00:16.827 --> 01:00:19.109 And it's basically saying, how do we make another Chris? 803 01:00:20.263 --> 01:00:27.186 And if that starts to corrode, become corrupted, decayed, that's the beginning of aging. 804 01:00:27.246 --> 01:00:30.688 So genomic stability is the beginning of the aging process. 805 01:00:31.168 --> 01:00:40.953 We know that things like folate and B12 and B6 all help to stabilize the human genome and prevent that decay. 806 01:00:41.513 --> 01:00:44.494 I'll have to admit that eventually we're all going to die someday. 807 01:00:44.894 --> 01:00:48.016 But I do think we can live much longer than the current lifespan. 808 01:00:49.861 --> 01:00:50.242 I love it. 809 01:00:51.202 --> 01:01:00.028 Dr. Quillen, what are two to three protocols, habits, mindsets, let's call them shortcuts because everybody likes shortcuts, to longevity and a long health span that you would share? 810 01:01:00.888 --> 01:01:02.349 Two to three shortcuts. 811 01:01:03.890 --> 01:01:04.411 Ah, boy. 812 01:01:05.371 --> 01:01:06.012 I would say... 813 01:01:07.683 --> 01:01:09.244 I'll give you three. 814 01:01:10.305 --> 01:01:12.146 Number one would be gratitude. 815 01:01:12.466 --> 01:01:16.989 I have found that you cannot be grateful and unhappy at the same time. 816 01:01:17.750 --> 01:01:20.151 And so I would encourage your viewers. 817 01:01:21.112 --> 01:01:23.293 I do this myself with a gratitude journal. 818 01:01:23.393 --> 01:01:25.595 Get up in the morning and write three things I'm grateful for. 819 01:01:26.015 --> 01:01:27.858 And you start focusing on those things. 820 01:01:28.358 --> 01:01:30.181 And it's an incredible calming agent. 821 01:01:30.281 --> 01:01:32.003 It's a fentanyl of sorts. 822 01:01:32.524 --> 01:01:33.165 Gratitude. 823 01:01:34.026 --> 01:01:36.730 Number two would be some form of exercise. 824 01:01:36.790 --> 01:01:39.233 Figure out something that you would do on a regular basis. 825 01:01:39.394 --> 01:01:42.177 Gardening, walking, biking, swimming. 826 01:01:43.278 --> 01:01:46.961 something that you would do, especially if you can do it with someone else. 827 01:01:46.981 --> 01:01:48.842 You've got a neighbor who likes to walk. 828 01:01:49.322 --> 01:01:51.003 So some form of exercise. 829 01:01:51.404 --> 01:01:55.366 And the third would be eating a whole food diet. 830 01:01:55.686 --> 01:01:58.368 I'd like people to think about this, real food. 831 01:01:59.809 --> 01:02:02.090 And that sounds awfully simple. 832 01:02:02.150 --> 01:02:05.933 But for instance, there's four aisles in the grocery store I want you to avoid. 833 01:02:05.993 --> 01:02:07.854 Number one is the soda drinks. 834 01:02:09.075 --> 01:02:11.035 Number two is the sugary breakfast cereals. 835 01:02:12.356 --> 01:02:15.677 Number three is the confectioners, the donuts and that kind of thing. 836 01:02:16.857 --> 01:02:22.438 And number four, I suppose we'd have to throw in the chips, all of the chips. 837 01:02:22.478 --> 01:02:24.999 So if we take those away, that's not real food. 838 01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:30.040 And if I told people, so my three things is gratitude, exercise and real food. 839 01:02:31.240 --> 01:02:31.980 That's excellent. 840 01:02:32.901 --> 01:02:37.982 Dr. Quillen, what are one or two things people get absolutely wrong regarding longevity and a long health span? 841 01:02:39.805 --> 01:02:49.408 I think the assumption that you get these days is that ketogenic or vegan is going to be that leap into a longer life. 842 01:02:50.068 --> 01:02:51.888 I'll take you back to Weston Price. 843 01:02:52.289 --> 01:03:00.911 He and his wife, a nurse, traveled the world, 15 cultures and five continents, and they found across the board, they never found a vegan group. 844 01:03:01.551 --> 01:03:08.014 And here's what happens over the course of centuries, people find that eating animal food improves their vitality. 845 01:03:08.494 --> 01:03:12.396 So there are nutrients in animal food that are not found in plant food. 846 01:03:12.416 --> 01:03:13.897 Let's start with vitamin B12. 847 01:03:13.917 --> 01:03:15.858 Let's include zinc. 848 01:03:16.658 --> 01:03:18.400 Let's talk about carnitine. 849 01:03:19.781 --> 01:03:22.043 Let's talk about the amino acids. 850 01:03:22.063 --> 01:03:26.007 The amino acid pattern in animal food is much broader. 851 01:03:26.347 --> 01:03:31.571 Let's talk about proline and hydroxyproline, which are part of collagen. 852 01:03:32.212 --> 01:03:37.517 So I think a misnomer today is you need to be a vegan in order to be healthy. 853 01:03:38.257 --> 01:03:42.318 You need some animal food in your diet and Weston Price somewhat proved that. 854 01:03:42.418 --> 01:03:46.659 And the Mediterranean lifestyle includes some meats. 855 01:03:47.899 --> 01:03:49.979 Another one is sleep. 856 01:03:50.519 --> 01:03:52.780 People ignore the importance of sleep. 857 01:03:53.680 --> 01:03:57.060 It's not something where you just sort of go offline. 858 01:03:57.240 --> 01:04:00.401

It's the ultimate construction for your body. 859 01:04:01.441 --> 01:04:05.922 It is the time when the janitors come in and sweep out the dust in your brain, the glial cells. 860 01:04:06.462 --> 01:04:08.364 It's a time when the body's rebuilding. 861 01:04:08.484 --> 01:04:09.525 It's autophagy. 862 01:04:10.406 --> 01:04:14.510 It is an incredibly important time, and for many people, it's fitful. 863 01:04:15.531 --> 01:04:16.712 They don't get enough sleep. 864 01:04:16.732 --> 01:04:18.374 They don't get good quality sleep. 865 01:04:18.394 --> 01:04:21.857 They go to bed on some horrific news or story. 866 01:04:22.337 --> 01:04:27.402 So having quiet, having darkness, sometimes melatonin. 867 01:04:27.442 --> 01:04:29.965 I find tryptophan and magnesium help me. 868 01:04:30.525 --> 01:04:35.027 As people mature, oftentimes their sleep becomes disheveled. 869 01:04:35.087 --> 01:04:38.468 It's not as predictable as it was when they were a child. 870 01:04:38.828 --> 01:04:41.809 And a little tip on sleeping, mouth taping. 871 01:04:43.409 --> 01:04:47.471 I started doing this about a year ago and I found a dramatic improvement in sleep. 872 01:04:47.951 --> 01:04:51.652 So typically you should breathe through your nose and eat through your mouth. 873 01:04:52.332 --> 01:04:59.035 And too many of us fall asleep, the mouth falls open, and you start breathing through your mouth, which does a number of things. 874 01:04:59.575 --> 01:05:01.016 First, it dries up your mouth. 875 01:05:01.376 --> 01:05:04.938 The saliva helps to protect the teeth from dental caries. 876 01:05:05.378 --> 01:05:09.400 So a dry mouth is more likely to have periodontal disease and dental caries. 877 01:05:10.020 --> 01:05:11.801 And when you dry out your body... 878 01:05:12.541 --> 01:05:15.322 Now you've ended up dehydrated and fluid. 879 01:05:15.362 --> 01:05:18.723 The most essential nutrient in the human body is water. 880 01:05:19.604 --> 01:05:21.844 So sleep with some mouth tape. 881 01:05:21.884 --> 01:05:24.365 So I mentioned vegan, sleep, mouth tape. 882 01:05:25.406 --> 01:05:28.807 And then I don't think you need to take fistfuls of supplements. 883 01:05:29.247 --> 01:05:33.368 But in my humble opinion, some supplements are mandatory. 884 01:05:34.168 --> 01:05:35.289 What we find is that 885 01:05:36.539 --> 01:05:44.884 Of the 50 essential nutrients in human nutrition, let's talk about, there's 118 elements in the periodic table. 886 01:05:45.865 --> 01:05:48.866 Of those 100, those are the building blocks of the planet Earth. 887 01:05:48.947 --> 01:05:51.868 Of those 118, about 90 are in the ocean. 888 01:05:52.689 --> 01:05:56.291 Of those 90, about 65 are in the human body in some form. 889 01:05:56.931 --> 01:06:00.353 Of those 65, they say 15 of those are essential minerals. 890 01:06:01.094 --> 01:06:04.076 Of those 15, they put three of them. 891 01:06:04.990 --> 01:06:06.751 in the soil, NPK. 892 01:06:07.352 --> 01:06:10.734 And so what we have is very bad math. 893 01:06:10.794 --> 01:06:18.159 So the human body needs chromium, selenium, magnesium, boron, lithium, calcium, all of those minerals. 894 01:06:18.579 --> 01:06:20.020 Do they get added to the soil? 895 01:06:20.140 --> 01:06:20.380 No. 896 01:06:21.341 --> 01:06:27.085 Does the level of fertilizer change the amount of minerals that can be absorbed by plants? 897 01:06:27.125 --> 01:06:27.425 Yes. 898 01:06:27.965 --> 01:06:32.048 So my third thing is some level of rational supplements change. 899 01:06:32.228 --> 01:06:36.432 Things like coenzyme Q, which is a conditionally essential nutrient. 900 01:06:36.452 --> 01:06:38.093 I mentioned the business of veganism. 901 01:06:40.355 --> 01:06:42.998 The best source of coenzyme Q is heart muscle. 902 01:06:43.898 --> 01:06:48.903 It's interesting, the old hunter, when they would hunt down an animal, they would eat the heart, sometimes raw. 903 01:06:49.463 --> 01:06:55.469 It's an extraordinary source of coenzyme Q, which is part of mitochondrial integrity. 904 01:06:55.489 --> 01:06:57.590 And now we get lost on that subject, Chris. 905 01:06:59.092 --> 01:07:03.134 One of the whole pathways for aging is mitochondrial dysfunction. 906 01:07:03.835 --> 01:07:10.039 So the mitochondria, these little football energy factories within the cell, they're literally bacteria. 907 01:07:10.860 --> 01:07:17.124 But as they lose their potency, we lose our ability to maintain our genomic stability, etc. 908 01:07:17.144 --> 01:07:18.685 So mitochondria are critical. 909 01:07:19.245 --> 01:07:20.466 And what's an important part of that? 910 01:07:20.606 --> 01:07:21.686 Coenzyme Q. 911 01:07:21.766 --> 01:07:24.527 It's part of this whole electron transport. 912 01:07:25.327 --> 01:07:25.928 Niacin. 913 01:07:26.408 --> 01:07:34.591 One of the cheapest supplements you can take is niacinamide, which helps to drive NAD, nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide. 914 01:07:34.631 --> 01:07:37.512 And so now a very expensive supplement is NAD. 915 01:07:38.732 --> 01:07:45.638 Take it if you want, but if you take niacinamide, it's one-tenth the price, and you're increasing the amounts of NAD in the body. 916 01:07:46.038 --> 01:07:47.579 So, back to the business. 917 01:07:47.619 --> 01:07:49.380 Do you need fistfuls of pills? 918 01:07:49.481 --> 01:07:49.721 No. 919 01:07:50.161 --> 01:07:52.983 But I do think some rational supplements are a good idea. 920 01:07:54.865 --> 01:07:56.446 Dr. Quillen, that was awesome. 921 01:07:56.486 --> 01:07:56.946 Thank you. 922 01:07:57.487 --> 01:07:58.688 How can people contact you? 923 01:08:00.289 --> 01:08:05.613 I'm on the web, patrickquillen.com, gettinghealthier.com, 924 01:08:06.913 --> 01:08:08.473 You can look me up on Amazon. 925 01:08:08.514 --> 01:08:10.354 I've written 21 books. 926 01:08:10.594 --> 01:08:12.815 Most of them are still available on Amazon. 927 01:08:14.035 --> 01:08:16.116 I have social media, Facebook. 928 01:08:16.156 -->

01:08:18.616 I've got 25,000 followers on Facebook. 929 01:08:18.676 --> 01:08:20.917 I've got many on Instagram, YouTube. 930 01:08:21.457 --> 01:08:26.058 So if you go to any of the social media, you'll find some presence of me. 931 01:08:26.818 --> 01:08:29.419 And my quest, you know, I hope to make a decent living. 932 01:08:29.459 --> 01:08:32.480 But more importantly to me is, I believe, the Dalai Lama. 933 01:08:33.203 --> 01:08:35.087 He said, the purpose of life is to help others. 934 01:08:35.207 --> 01:08:36.850 And if you can't help people, don't hurt them. 935 01:08:37.992 --> 01:08:40.236 Well, that's what you and I are doing. 936 01:08:41.018 --> 01:08:41.398 Excellent. 937 01:08:41.759 --> 01:08:44.264 And what in the near future are you excited about? 938 01:08:45.163 --> 01:08:45.583 Oh, boy. 939 01:08:46.964 --> 01:08:48.705 We didn't even get into my passions. 940 01:08:48.785 --> 01:08:51.007 I play guitar and piano at a restaurant level. 941 01:08:51.067 --> 01:08:53.108 Been doing that for 50 years. 942 01:08:53.588 --> 01:08:54.089 Wow. 943 01:08:54.209 --> 01:08:54.769 I entertain. 944 01:08:54.829 --> 01:08:56.891 I'm entertaining at a party on Saturday. 945 01:08:57.411 --> 01:08:58.171 I love gardening. 946 01:08:58.612 --> 01:09:02.634 Instead of having a lawn here in Carlsbad, I've got 60 fruit trees. 947 01:09:02.754 --> 01:09:03.575 I love gardening. 948 01:09:04.885 --> 01:09:07.206 I read extensively, travel once in a while. 949 01:09:07.687 --> 01:09:12.151 My partner and I have been to Australia and Florida and a cruise. 950 01:09:12.231 --> 01:09:17.055 And so I give up most days just full of zest for the life. 951 01:09:17.135 --> 01:09:29.125 And I hope that your viewers can obtain that sense of purpose, of belonging, of gratitude, of vacations, and embrace the joy of life. 952 01:09:29.165 --> 01:09:33.008 Because if you find things that are enjoyable and they're good for you, 953 01:09:33.328 --> 01:09:35.090 there's a pretty good chance you're going to repeat them. 954 01:09:36.671 --> 01:09:37.071 Excellent. 955 01:09:37.652 --> 01:09:37.912 All right. 956 01:09:38.032 --> 01:09:45.899 So you can find him at Patrick Quillen, Q-U-I-L-L-I-N.com, gettinghealthier.com. 957 01:09:46.619 --> 01:09:50.202 Find his books on Amazon and he is on social media. 958 01:09:50.242 --> 01:09:52.524 So I'm sure there's amazing content out there. 959 01:09:52.564 --> 01:09:54.646 Dr. Quillen, thank you so much for joining us today. 960 01:09:55.307 --> 01:09:55.967 It's been a pleasure. 961 01:09:55.987 --> 01:09:57.148 You did a great job, Chris. 962 01:09:57.168 --> 01:09:57.969 Keep up the good work. 963 01:09:58.589 --> 01:09:58.990 Thank you. 964 01:09:59.660 --> 01:10:03.122 I hope you enjoyed this episode of the Live Beyond the Norms podcast. 965 01:10:03.662 --> 01:10:05.443 Make sure to subscribe and follow. 966 01:10:06.044 --> 01:10:13.428 Also, make sure not to be that guy, the guy sharing this podcast with people who are not interested in living beyond the norms. 967 01:10:14.148 --> 01:10:25.615 If you would like to learn more about the ESS60 molecule, the molecule responsible for the single longest longevity experimental result on mammals in history, a full 90% extension of life, 968 01:10:26.215 --> 01:10:28.319 visit MyVitalC.com. 969 01:10:28.840 --> 01:10:31.906 That's MyVitalC as in carbon.com.