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understand how, THIS 33 00:02:37.520 --> 00:02:40.719 happens i have two experts to join, Me Today eric 34 00:02:40.840 --> 00:02:46.400 Zelia And. Craig, Wetter, so craig from a, psychological standpoint 35 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:53.120 what vulnerabilities make children or adolescents more susceptible to manipulation 36 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:56.080 by groups like seven Sixty four and what are some 37 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:59.840 of the, warning signs especially when a child's judgment is 38 00:02:59.879 --> 00:03:04.280 already impaired, by trauma, developmental delays or mental health challenges 39 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:07.439 that parents or professionals should be. 40 00:03:07.479 --> 00:03:10.840 Looking, for well you just pointed out the primary sort, 41 00:03:10.879 --> 00:03:14.639 of vulnerabilities but, you know in, all kids we've talked about. 42 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:17.960 This before children the frontal lobes aren't fully developed until, 43 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:20.759 you know around age twenty five and, most people so 44 00:03:21.439 --> 00:03:24.439 children just generally and even adolescents and even young adults 45 00:03:24.599 --> 00:03:28.120 already have this vulnerability of somewhat impair judgment when it 46 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:29.639 comes to this kind. Of STUFF but i think there's 47 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:35.719 other psychological variables that also can increase vulnerability. In kids 48 00:03:36.120 --> 00:03:40.599 some of those again involve personality characteristics of some children developing. 49 00:03:40.599 --> 00:03:44.120 Dependency traits and, you know the need to belong the 50 00:03:44.159 --> 00:03:47.479 longliness is very, is critical, you know in. IDENTITY formation 51 00:03:47.599 --> 00:03:51.000 i think in, most kids some kids have a greater need. 52 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:54.719 For that so kids who are outcasted from, you know their, 53 00:03:54.759 --> 00:03:58.360 social groups or who feel alienated in, SOME way i 54 00:03:58.360 --> 00:04:02.520 think that's a risk, Factor absolutely and actually that's Where 55 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:06.400 this bradley fit that profile when. He started but, you 56 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:08.919 know when he was, very young he was, cast out he. 57 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:12.000 Was bullied according to, you know what's available in the, 58 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:16.040 public forums he, was outcasted he, was bullied and things. 59 00:04:16.079 --> 00:04:18.600 Like that he came from a, chaotic well we generally 60 00:04:18.639 --> 00:04:21.519 see these chaotic home LIFs where you have a lot 61 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:24.279 of family chaos. Going on, you know these are breeding 62 00:04:24.319 --> 00:04:28.279 grounds for, you know later the development of later serious 63 00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:32.319 psychopathology in both the victimizers and even in the. Victims 64 00:04:32.319 --> 00:04:35.480 themselves that's a long answer to. 65 00:04:35.519 --> 00:04:40.319 Your question, That's, Perfect eric how did this come across? 66 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:43.759 Your radar you wanted to talk about this seven SIX 67 00:04:43.959 --> 00:04:45.199 for i just wanted. 68 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:47.319 To talk about gangs and stuff, in general because, you 69 00:04:47.360 --> 00:04:50.800 know organized crime is a major it's becoming a major issue, 70 00:04:51.680 --> 00:04:53.600 now again and we hear a lot of talk about 71 00:04:53.680 --> 00:04:56.839 mus thirteen and stuff like that in, the media and 72 00:04:56.839 --> 00:04:59.360 people don't realize that this group is nothing more than 73 00:04:59.399 --> 00:05:03.560 just a typical organized. Crime organization, you know they call it, 74 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:06.079 a cult but let's. Be honest, you know any organization 75 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:10.319 that exists with multiple numbers that do it for obviously, 76 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:14.639 monetary reasons that are committing a crime is. Organized crime it's, 77 00:05:14.680 --> 00:05:18.120 a rico not. A cult, you know that's the. Biggest 78 00:05:18.120 --> 00:05:20.560 thing and then, you know whether it be just, you 79 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:23.720 know maybe ignorant to the media or just. Downplaying it 80 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:25.879 when you call it, a cult you kind of downplay 81 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:27.959 the severity of what it, actually is and that is. 82 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:30.560 Organized crime. You, know yeah started by a fifteen year 83 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:33.680 old who probably had other friends in school whatever that 84 00:05:33.720 --> 00:05:35.959 he was doing, this with and it probably grew because, we, realized, 85 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:40.759 hey look people will pay me. For this and so as, 86 00:05:40.800 --> 00:05:45.480 that continued, he grew this organization started getting servers and, 87 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:48.199 you know charging membership fees and having people all over, 88 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:50.399 the world not Just The united states but all over 89 00:05:50.439 --> 00:05:53.399 the world partaking. In this, you know that's not. A 90 00:05:53.439 --> 00:05:56.399 cult that is one hundred percent. Organized crime and you 91 00:05:56.399 --> 00:05:58.199 could even go as far to say that it's a 92 00:05:58.240 --> 00:06:00.680 gang because if they're using the same and sixty four 93 00:06:01.839 --> 00:06:05.399 as their moniker, their identity and they're all together as 94 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:07.480 more than they're more than, one person they've got, two 95 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:10.759 people it's. A conspiracy, it's ongoing they're using a common 96 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:13.079 identifier seven, sixty four and they're all doing it, for 97 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:16.639 criminal criminal reasons and for, you know. Monetary gain that's. A, 98 00:06:16.639 --> 00:06:18.160 gang yeah. 99 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:20.399

That's true that's different than, you know like when you think, 100 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:22.680 of cults you think of things like, You Know david 101 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:26.000 koresh's Movement and jones and that kind of those those kind, 102 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:29.439 of folks and there wasn't necessarily in those and. Monetary, 103 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:32.639 PURPOSE yeah i mean typically when you, have cults it's 104 00:06:32.680 --> 00:06:33.199 typically in a. 105 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:37.040 Religious context people committing bank fraud isn't. A cult that's 106 00:06:37.079 --> 00:06:39.920 a group of. Organized criminals it's kind of. The SAME 107 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:42.240 and i think that, you know maybe with the, you 108 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:44.120 know especially with the medium stuff, these days, you know 109 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:47.839 they look AT the bdsm, type material they look at the, 110 00:06:47.879 --> 00:06:50.120 you know the abuse, of animals, they, say well, you 111 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:51.800 know we see that, in cults so that must be what. 112 00:06:51.839 --> 00:06:55.439 This is but again. It's not it's no different than 113 00:06:55.439 --> 00:06:57.519 having an organization that goes out and, kills people, you know. 114 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:00.399 Hired hitmen it's all organized crime as make them a 115 00:07:00.439 --> 00:07:01.079 cold most of a. 116 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:03.759 Religious aspect do, you know do you know how many 117 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:06.439 or how much money that they. Were making have they 118 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:09.879 disclosed any of? THAT Information i. 119 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:11.680 I'm not sure if. They have I'm sure dana's going 120 00:07:11.720 --> 00:07:13.800 to look. It up BUT when i reviewed this case, 121 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:15.680 as briefly because, YOU know i don't pay much attention 122 00:07:15.759 --> 00:07:17.160 to all this STUFF because i got my own oaks 123 00:07:17.199 --> 00:07:19.680 have to. Worry about BUT when i was looking into 124 00:07:20.040 --> 00:07:23.600 just this case because. THE nexus, I mean, i know 125 00:07:23.639 --> 00:07:25.959 the entire investigation started, in text but THEN the nextus 126 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:28.720 took it. TO international i think there was a lot. 127 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:30.800 OF money i think you've reasoning cryptical currency as a 128 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:34.680 primary means to longer. That money and my, assumption is 129 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:37.319 and AGAIN the feds don't get involved in there's a 130 00:07:37.360 --> 00:07:40.360 lot of money there. To RECOUP so i would, say, Yes. 131 00:07:40.240 --> 00:07:45.480 Probably yeah there's no information online about any specific amount, 132 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:47.240 of money so maybe we'll. 133 00:07:47.279 --> 00:07:50.360 Never, know well and, you know and one of the 134 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:52.680 things obviously is IF the feds are going after this 135 00:07:52.800 --> 00:07:56.839 from a, organized standpoint they're going to have to, Show 136 00:07:56.959 --> 00:07:59.639 financials they're going to have to show. A benefit they're 137 00:07:59.639 --> 00:08:01.199 going to have to be some type of, you know, 138 00:08:01.199 --> 00:08:04.600 because again you can't have, an organization can't tarden ragteering 139 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:07.360 if there's, no benefit if it's not organized and there's, 140 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:09.839 no benefit because then at that point you're just committing 141 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:11.959 a crime for. No profit so they're gonna have to 142 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:14.920 provide finances at. Some point but given the complexity of, 143 00:08:14.920 --> 00:08:17.279 this case and again, you know we have a case 144 00:08:17.319 --> 00:08:22.160 that spans both federal but also international, AND internationally aid, 145 00:08:22.319 --> 00:08:24.680 is involved there's probably a lot of money that's been 146 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:27.519 moved since twenty, twenty one and they're probably the process 147 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:30.000 of having to trace all of. That now but it's 148 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:32.440 easier to attack the lower person on the, tonal pole 149 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:35.240 which is the fifteen year, old kid versus trying to 150 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:37.399 go after all the higher, ups first because you use 151 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:41.039 him to get to. Everybody else and that's a big 152 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:44.039 difference between how we do things on the street and 153 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:45.879 HOW the feds. Do Things and craig probably knows the 154 00:08:45.879 --> 00:08:48.799 fedge work, top down so, you know they don't look 155 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:50.720 the WAY that i look, at things because, YOU know 156 00:08:50.759 --> 00:08:53.559 i come from behind, prison bars, you know so when 157 00:08:53.559 --> 00:08:56.279 we look, at things we put it. Together differently the 158 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:58.600 fedge work. Top down we can see pattent ands, say, 159 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:00.360 hey look you know this is like crime is looks like, 160 00:09:00.399 --> 00:09:02.879 rikail this, you know and let's let's. Prove it the 161 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:05.120 fits they come in, and, SAY well i don't know 162 00:09:05.120 --> 00:09:07.000 if there's a crime here YET until i. 163 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:10.279 Find, it YEAH there's, i mean this group was involved 164 00:09:10.279 --> 00:09:12.519 in quite a bit, of sextortion which is becoming, you 165 00:09:12.559 --> 00:09:15.039 know this is emerging as a it's actually becoming a public, 166 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:18.279 health crisis right because now you've got children, being here, 167 00:09:18.320 --> 00:09:22.080 you know adolests, and children, you know they're sharing explicit photos. 168 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:24.840 Of

themselves, you know they're being lured into these chat 169 00:09:24.879 --> 00:09:27.799 rooms and they think that they're talking to, you know 170 00:09:27.879 --> 00:09:30.240 somebody around, their age and, they're not and then they 171 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:34.919 end up. Getting extorted and this is leading to kids, 172 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:38.480 committing suicide engaging in self, injurious behaviors that kind. Of 173 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:42.240 STUFF and i wasn't aware of how significant this WAS 174 00:09:42.759 --> 00:09:45.639 until i started looking at some of the some of. 175 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:49.000 The literature so there's some data out there that suggests 176 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:52.879 that like one in three teens and this is from 177 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:55.919 in twenty, twenty four one in three teens had been 178 00:09:55.960 --> 00:09:59.360 contacted by a stranger requesting explicit content to be, you 179 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:02.120 know communicat, to them and many of those and again 180 00:10:02.159 --> 00:10:04.840 this isn't it's not an, empirical study but it was 181 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:09.200 put out by thorn dot org and they reported some reported, you, 182 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:12.519 know blackmails being blackmailed. Or threatened so this is A 183 00:10:12.559 --> 00:10:15.600 big this is becoming a much. Bigger PROBLEM and i, 184 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:18.480 know that, you KNOW the fbi is definitely aware. 185 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:19.000 Of that. 186 00:10:20.399 --> 00:10:23.200 This this this kind of surgeon these, sextortion cases and 187 00:10:23.240 --> 00:10:24.879 that's what one of the things this group was. 188 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:27.000 Doing sextortion and. 189 00:10:27.120 --> 00:10:30.480 Also. Swatting, swatting, yeah yeah. 190 00:10:30.519 --> 00:10:33.200 So swatting so you can call nine one one have 191 00:10:33.279 --> 00:10:36.320 a swat team show up at your house with guns pointed, 192 00:10:36.360 --> 00:10:38.840 at you which could be pretty terrifying for. A kid 193 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:43.080 so essentially they would have to make up something about you, 194 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:46.120 that's untrue like you have a hostage or something that 195 00:10:46.600 --> 00:10:49.039 there's some imminent threat to get the swat. Team there 196 00:10:49.679 --> 00:10:51.559 and then you're a kid, at home so this is 197 00:10:51.600 --> 00:10:55.279 happening and your parents are now asking you questions like 198 00:10:55.799 --> 00:10:58.639 what did? You do or you're now, In trouble so 199 00:10:58.799 --> 00:11:03.120 like it's the, psychological warfare but it's real danger because 200 00:11:03.639 --> 00:11:06.080 there was a swatting case that led to a death 201 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:10.360 that Was, In wichita kansas in, twenty seventeen where the 202 00:11:10.399 --> 00:11:13.960 police shot and killed an innocent person due to. 203 00:11:14.080 --> 00:11:18.759 False, reports YEAH but i do remember, that case and 204 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:20.799 you know that's led to obviously quite a bit of. 205 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:23.840 Civil liability. You know the issue, with swatting and a 206 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:26.080 lot of people, don't understand is the way the media 207 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:28.159 makes it sound like it's like it's, super complicated but it. 208 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:30.759 REALLY isn't i pick up, THE phone i find out 209 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:33.600 where you Live, at DANA and i call them not 210 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:35.519 an emergency number for, your county, and, say, hey look 211 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:37.960 you know This Lady dana anderson is you know at 212 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:40.639 X y z address? She's got, you know ALL these 213 00:11:40.879 --> 00:11:42.639 i call from a burner number because the, thing is 214 00:11:42.919 --> 00:11:45.279 you can't call nine one one in another you Know what, I'm, 215 00:11:45.279 --> 00:11:48.000 SAYING like i Can't call california nine one One. From 216 00:11:48.000 --> 00:11:50.480 florida it doesn't work, that way and you can't spoof nine. 217 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:52.679 One one but what they do is they contact a 218 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:56.399 non e burgancye numbers and they use a burner numbership 219 00:11:56.399 --> 00:11:58.799 doesn't trace back, to anybody and that's how they get 220 00:11:58.840 --> 00:12:05.840 this swatting. Thing started comblin's, issue too, because there in, 221 00:12:05.879 --> 00:12:09.639 a sense there are indicators to show a dispatcher that 222 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:13.279 this call is. Probably bullshit but for, whatever reason we 223 00:12:13.399 --> 00:12:16.080 have not gotten that far where we've taught our dispatchers 224 00:12:16.080 --> 00:12:18.519 how to weed through, the bullshit to turn what is 225 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:19.039 swatting on. 226 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:22.240 What isn't have there been any swatting incidents connected directly to, 227 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:24.679 This GROUP DANA m. 228 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:30.320 I don't have all. That information there is one interview 229 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:36.519 with a Girl named eve who was lured into discord 230 00:12:37.639 --> 00:12:42.399 and she was hiding out in, her closet responding. To 231 00:12:42.480 --> 00:12:45.000 discord they were trying to get her to. Send pictures 232 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:48.559 she ended up. Getting involved on one, video call they 233 00:12:48.679 --> 00:12:52.440 urged her to kill herself and was trying to convince 234 00:12:52.480 --> 00:12:57.519 her to carve those numbers onto. Her skin what does 235 00:12:57.559 --> 00:12:59.840 that call when they get you to, carve oh? F 236 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:02.360 in what's it called? Fans something i'm. 237 00:13:02.279 --> 00:13:03.320 Sure they've got a new name. 238 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:06.120 For that, but yeah

this is where, you know parents 239 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:08.320 need to pay attention to, these behaviors, you know in 240 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:12.080 terms of kids that are doing, you know there's concealing 241 00:13:12.120 --> 00:13:14.159 who they're talking to on their phones or, you know 242 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:15.399 what they're doing On their. 243 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:20.879 They pressured her to strangle her cat and behead her hamster. 244 00:13:21.080 --> 00:13:25.320 On camera, they said quote bite the, head Off or 245 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:28.639 i'll fuck your whole life up. Into quote and she 246 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:32.240 felt pressured to do. These things apparently they had something 247 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:35.279 on her, or pictures and she. Did it she did 248 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:37.679 it in her. Bedroom closet, you know here's the. 249 00:13:37.720 --> 00:13:39.960 Thing with that is is, you know when you look 250 00:13:40.000 --> 00:13:42.039 at this group and what they, were doing a lot 251 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:44.000 of people just, see well you know they were asking for, 252 00:13:44.080 --> 00:13:45.919 you know for john pornography or you know what we 253 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:48.120 call cea san material or, you know they were asking 254 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:51.759 for killing animals or or what we call snuff type. 255 00:13:51.919 --> 00:13:55.080 Of activities and some, might, think well, you know they 256 00:13:55.080 --> 00:13:57.919 were just doing it for, sexual reasons, but no there is, 257 00:13:57.960 --> 00:14:00.159 a market a black market for all. Of them and 258 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:03.080 these people are essentially. Like brokers they are brokering the 259 00:14:03.120 --> 00:14:07.600 deal between a victim and, their buyer, which is, you 260 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:09.919 know whoever they have on the dark web that's buying. 261 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:13.879 These videos while some were probably doing it for, sexual 262 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:16.919 gratification most are probably doing it for. Monetary reasons and 263 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:18.960 we're acting as a broker where they would make contact 264 00:14:18.960 --> 00:14:21.759 with the victims and would get them to make the 265 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:25.320 material that they would then upload to the dark web 266 00:14:25.360 --> 00:14:27.759 and other, you know file sharing websites and get money 267 00:14:27.799 --> 00:14:30.080 off of that because people will buy. That shit and 268 00:14:30.120 --> 00:14:31.799 a lot of people don't understand that it's not just, 269 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:35.080 about sex not just. About kids it's. About, money yeah 270 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:37.200 and kids. Are curious it's the same thing. With drag 271 00:14:37.200 --> 00:14:40.519 you kids. Are CURIOUS so i never killed. MY cat 272 00:14:41.159 --> 00:14:43.039 i took my cat's. HAIR once i will, tell you oh. 273 00:14:43.200 -->

00:14:44.840 AFTER that i did cut the cat's hair ONCE when 274 00:14:44.879 --> 00:14:47.440 i was, Like five, but scissors did a. Great job 275 00:14:47.480 --> 00:14:47.960 didn't cut. 276 00:14:48.000 --> 00:14:50.240 The cat so you didn't put your cat in. The microwave. 277 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:52.559 That's, GOOD no i didn't know who would put the 278 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:54.159 cat in. The microwave that's. 279 00:14:54.200 --> 00:14:56.799 Another story but someone did put their cat in a 280 00:14:56.840 --> 00:14:59.519 microwave and strangled it and threw it into. 281 00:14:59.559 --> 00:15:02.279 The water the microwave. Wasn't enough they had to strangle, 282 00:15:02.279 --> 00:15:03.919 it too or they strangle before they put Them mark. 283 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:10.399 It's unclear but, any ways one. 284 00:15:10.240 --> 00:15:11.679 Of those would, be intent the other one would just 285 00:15:11.759 --> 00:15:13.879 be a, you know just here of. 286 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:19.919 The moment Where Is bradley cadenhead? Right now apparently he 287 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:25.399 pled guilty and he's sentenced to eighty years In printin 288 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:28.879 so he's now an adult who's about eighteen. Years old 289 00:15:28.919 --> 00:15:33.919 so he's Incarcerated, In, huntsville texas a high security. Correctional 290 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:35.679 facility so he was only charged with. 291 00:15:35.720 --> 00:15:36.960 State crimes they in charge on. 292 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:39.879 FEDERAL level i don't know of all the exact crimes 293 00:15:39.960 --> 00:15:42.480 he was, convicted of but even in the CASE that 294 00:15:42.559 --> 00:15:46.360 i just talked About, with eve he wasn't charged in connection. 295 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:49.159 With, THAT yeah, i mean the reason he's got such 296 00:15:49.159 --> 00:15:52.759 a long term sentence again is it it relates specifically 297 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:55.759 to the charges that. He received so he was charged 298 00:15:55.799 --> 00:16:01.360 with specific child exploitation and child abuse Stat that texas, 299 00:16:01.399 --> 00:16:04.519 you know currently has on. The books and, you know as, 300 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:07.879 Everyone knows texas does not. Fuck around you do this 301 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:10.080 kind of stuff in a State, like texas. 302 00:16:09.639 --> 00:16:11.159 Fuck around and, find, out yeah you. 303 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:13.720 Fuck around you find out there are states, where you, 304 00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:16.320 you know you do this kind, Of stuff you're going 305 00:16:16.399 --> 00:16:17.720 down for the rest of. 306 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:17.879 Your. 307 00:16:17.919 --> 00:16:22.039 Life basically now, other states, you know you can figure 308 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:24.480 out what those states, might be would take a completely 309 00:16:24.559 --> 00:16:28.639 different position. On this, this kid based on, his age 310 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:32.559 could very well have just been sent to a juvenile, 311 00:16:32.879 --> 00:16:36.399 you know rehabilitation center and then held until he was 312 00:16:36.440 --> 00:16:38.559 the at the age of twenty five and then released 313 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:41.039 if he wasn't charged as. AN adult i guarantee you 314 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:43.360 this kid was charged as an adult for, these crimes 315 00:16:43.639 --> 00:16:46.399 because that's an, adult sentence that's not a. Juvenile sentence 316 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:49.559 people need to understand when kids are charged in the, juvenile, 317 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:52.759 system generally they don't serve a sentence that goes beyond 318 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:56.360 their twenty. Fifth birthday in, most jurisdictions they can't be 319 00:16:56.440 --> 00:17:00.399 held beyond that if they're charged. As juveniles so there's 320 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:03.480 some variation depending on, the state but they definitely went 321 00:17:03.519 --> 00:17:06.319 after this, guy hard, and yeah they took. 322 00:17:06.359 --> 00:17:09.200 Him down so he did that in the, Wrong state 323 00:17:09.279 --> 00:17:11.200 i'll put it. That way. You know one of the, 324 00:17:11.240 --> 00:17:13.200 weird things you know reading it is that, you know 325 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:16.880 so they're trying to allege that it Was a satanic 326 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:23.240 group and that, you know they took their directives from, 327 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:26.759 YOU know i think It's the order Of The nine 328 00:17:26.799 --> 00:17:29.599 angels or something, like That another, satanic group, you know 329 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:32.599 and the issue that you have, With, that okay and 330 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:34.559 again if he's been charged at the, state LEVEL and i. 331 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:37.039 Know that so the other group that was an offshoot 332 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:39.599 of his group WAS, called cvlt which is Based, in 333 00:17:39.599 --> 00:17:41.960 france so it was like it preceded, his group and 334 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:45.039 there's like two hundred other groups underneath, his group and 335 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:48.160 they're all Called. The community, you know they called It 336 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:50.359 a satanic, you KNOW because i guess WHEN the fbi 337 00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:53.440 Reviewed and i'm sure, you know they probably had behavior analysts, 338 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:56.519 looking at, you know what this group did or what, 339 00:17:56.559 --> 00:17:59.440 he did and they, probably saw, You Know neo nazi 340 00:17:59.480 --> 00:18:04.720 type Indicat or. Satanic indicators, but again that doesn't make it. 341 00:18:04.799 --> 00:18:07.759 Religiously motivated it doesn't mean that he did it for. 342 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:12.160 Religious reasons and when you start putting labels ON and 343 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:13.880 i don't want to get into the nuances of, you

344 00:18:13.920 --> 00:18:16.880 know the government and how we have a grudge against 345 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:19.319 certain religions and not. Other ones but besides, the point 346 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:21.759 when you start putting labels on what essentially a, criminal 347 00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:24.039 organization you kind of take away from the fact that 348 00:18:24.039 --> 00:18:26.400 that's exactly what. It is like it's gonna, think, religion. 349 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:28.200 Yeah because at the heart, of it and money is 350 00:18:28.240 --> 00:18:29.720 what drives, you know most. 351 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:31.480 Of this stuff exactly had nothing to do. With religion 352 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:33.799 they weren't trying to make a Sacrifice. To satan it. 353 00:18:33.960 --> 00:18:35.920 Was money, but again this the kids that are most 354 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:38.160 vulnerable to getting, you know looped into this kind. Of, 355 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:40.400 stuff again are these kids that, are suggestible these kids 356 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:43.759 that are they're. Seeking belonging this that's, a huge, you 357 00:18:43.799 --> 00:18:47.039 know like issue or that's a variable that's like missing 358 00:18:47.079 --> 00:18:49.160 in a lot of these. Kids' lives, you know either 359 00:18:49.519 --> 00:18:52.880 they're experiencing some type, of isolation they want to be connected, 360 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:56.599 to something and unfortunately they get lured into, you know 361 00:18:57.240 --> 00:19:00.519 these dark sort of. Energy spaces and once they get looped. 362 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:03.440 Into it, you know they're tied to it and they 363 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:05.240 feel like they can't escape or can't get out of 364 00:19:05.279 --> 00:19:08.759 it because they're being, you know again psychologically held hostage 365 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:11.640 in the sense that if they shared explicit images of 366 00:19:11.680 --> 00:19:15.839 themselves or they've done anything where they've, compromised themselves then 367 00:19:15.960 --> 00:19:18.240 that gets held, over, them right and they can be 368 00:19:18.279 --> 00:19:21.599 manipulated at that point. In time so it's, you know 369 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:26.680 it's a dangerous, path obviously, and again, you know regulating it, 370 00:19:26.759 --> 00:19:29.400 is difficult right because a lot of these platforms discord, 371 00:19:29.440 --> 00:19:33.200 and such they're sort of like they're hard to get 372 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:36.640 to to like to take down because. They're decentralized It's, 373 00:19:36.680 --> 00:19:37.759 not facebook It's. 374 00:19:37.799 --> 00:19:40.480 Not instagram and that's the other, issue too is that, 375 00:19:40.559 --> 00:19:42.839 you know while these groups all are probably connected in, 376 00:19:42.920 --> 00:19:46.720 some capacity, you know trying to trace where all the 377 00:19:46.720 --> 00:19:49.160 funds are going is

almost in a possible task for any. 378 00:19:49.200 --> 00:19:51.519 Government agency and, you know while THEY have i think 379 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:55.519 two hundreds of the, open investigations to be honest, with 380 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:58.640 you you're never going to take down an organized. Crime 381 00:19:58.680 --> 00:20:01.759 group let's even talk about, you Know the. ITALIAN families, 382 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:04.200 i mean look how long that's been. Going, on sure 383 00:20:04.240 --> 00:20:06.039 it's not like it was back in the, you know, the, 384 00:20:06.039 --> 00:20:09.880 seventies eighties and. Early nineties but we still have. The mafiosa, 385 00:20:10.119 --> 00:20:12.400 you know we have it Here. In florida has law 386 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:14.680 enforcement actions stopped it from growing or stopped it? At, 387 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:17.880 all no. It hasn't they just. Have adapted and so, 388 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:20.720 every group and this is the battle for law enforcement 389 00:20:20.759 --> 00:20:22.799 from now into. The future every group is going. To 390 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:26.960 adapt so this guy got, taken down everybody else gonna get. 391 00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:29.200 Taken down but, Guess what eventually they're going to adapt 392 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:31.240 and those continue doing what. They're doing it's using a, 393 00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:36.480 different name different, you know different method. Different manners it's. 394 00:20:36.359 --> 00:20:38.599 Also a LOT easier i Think, TO yeah i mean 395 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:42.000 it's law enforcement has a harder job now with, technology 396 00:20:42.039 --> 00:20:45.200 advancements right like we, with this, you know with The, 397 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:48.200 dark web and with, you know these these platforms that. 398 00:20:48.240 --> 00:20:51.400 Are decentralized it's not just a, matter, of oh we're 399 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:53.599 going to go TO the ceo of this particular you 400 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:56.359 know company or you know Platform like facebook, or something 401 00:20:56.359 --> 00:20:59.119 and we're over going to. Regulate, them right there's no 402 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:01.599 regulating going on here in The dark web or in 403 00:21:01.640 --> 00:21:04.000 some of these, you know. These places so you know 404 00:21:04.079 --> 00:21:07.079 that's that's the OTHER challenge i think the law enforcement, 405 00:21:07.119 --> 00:21:09.720 has here, you know in terms of like. Being able like, 406 00:21:09.759 --> 00:21:11.720 you said, you know it's like whack, them all. You 407 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:13.480 know it's like you take, one down, you know and 408 00:21:13.480 --> 00:21:16.279 then there's another four popping up, somewhere else and you're 409 00:21:16.279 --> 00:21:17.160 not going to eliminate. 410 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:20.440 It, Completely okay i'm going to circle back to THE 411 00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:23.119

word i was trying. To find it's called. Fan signing. 412 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:26.640 Fan signing, oh okay that's a, new. 413 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:29.279 Word a new term From The. Urban, dictionary yeah. 414 00:21:29.000 --> 00:21:32.000 So fan signs that they want you to do carve 415 00:21:32.079 --> 00:21:34.480 their name in your chest or carve your numbers on. 416 00:21:34.559 --> 00:21:37.079 Their body so like that ONE girl i talked, about 417 00:21:37.079 --> 00:21:41.000 earlier like she's stuck with those carved initials in her 418 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:41.960 body for the rest of. 419 00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:46.400 Her life and there was some, other followers one of 420 00:21:46.400 --> 00:21:49.799 them holding at gunpoint for someone to slice their neck 421 00:21:49.960 --> 00:21:52.400 and produce blood and have someone. 422 00:21:52.519 --> 00:21:56.640 Drink it just sadistic anything they, can do right to 423 00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:59.279 get it and take, the pictures get. 424 00:21:59.319 --> 00:22:02.519 THE video, i mean that's exactly what. It is, and again, 425 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:04.200 you know drinking. The blood we view it as a 426 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:08.079 religious type thing and. Consciousness organization they're not doing it. 427 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:10.359 For religion they're doing it for the. Shock value that's 428 00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:13.640 exactly what. It's for, and again this type, of stuff 429 00:22:13.759 --> 00:22:17.559 as crazy as, it sounds, people pay people pay to watch. 430 00:22:17.599 --> 00:22:21.519 This, stuff yeah and that's a whole other conversation in 431 00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:24.440 terms of the people that consume this content and where 432 00:22:24.440 --> 00:22:28.279 they're at psychologically is concerning, because this, you, know sadistic 433 00:22:28.359 --> 00:22:33.119 masochistic intersection of these kinds of fantasy like behaviors and 434 00:22:33.160 --> 00:22:35.079 a lot of those, are, SEXUALIZED right a lot of 435 00:22:35.079 --> 00:22:38.759 those have a sexual intersectionality, to them and that's how 436 00:22:38.799 --> 00:22:43.480 they get their sexual gratification is through viewing snuff porn things, 437 00:22:43.519 --> 00:22:46.279 like that, You know and that's that's a whole other, 438 00:22:46.559 --> 00:22:49.759 you know we're. Talking psychologically those people that are consuming 439 00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:50.559 that sexual. 440 00:22:50.599 --> 00:22:52.519 Based, homicide yeah those are a. 441 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:56.359 Whole, differtia yeah, those people there's a lot going on 442 00:22:56.440 --> 00:22:59.720 there and they, can't themselves can be depending on. Their 443 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:02.200 person now the architecture could be dangerous themselves at some 444 00:23:02.200 --> 00:23:06.759 point in the future because they're desensitized to these graphic 445 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:11.680 displays of violence and it almost gets normalized in their stream. 446 00:23:11.680 --> 00:23:13.920 Of consciousness. Very, DANGEROUS yeah, i mean, you KNOW and 447 00:23:15.200 --> 00:23:16.960 I mean i guess a good a good way to 448 00:23:17.200 --> 00:23:19.319 kind of compare that is you think about somebody who's 449 00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:21.920 been to, law enforcement, fire ems whatever, that is and 450 00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:24.400 you see all contracrac you shit, every day and then 451 00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:26.400 you got to get desnsitized all, of that like it doesn't. 452 00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:30.039 Bother anymore and with these kids and you know whoever 453 00:23:30.079 --> 00:23:33.119 else with, the group once the money starts, coming in 454 00:23:34.279 --> 00:23:36.480 now it's, Just okay i'm just doing this. To me, 455 00:23:36.519 --> 00:23:38.079 you know it's just another action, for them like it 456 00:23:38.079 --> 00:23:41.319 doesn't have, any value meaning they don't value anybody else's. 457 00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:44.000 Life there and what's interesting, and again you know when 458 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:47.200 we talk about cult and, You, know satanism, et cetera 459 00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:50.480 it it this reminds me of, you know when we 460 00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:52.599 Had those satanic scares BACK when i was a kid, 461 00:23:52.599 --> 00:23:54.960 growing up when, you know all those tatans wanted to, 462 00:23:55.039 --> 00:23:57.119 kill you and don't touch a Candy from halloween because 463 00:23:57.119 --> 00:23:58.000 there's needles and. 464 00:23:57.960 --> 00:24:01.640 YOU know lsd and and don't play, and, dragons yeah 465 00:24:01.680 --> 00:24:03.440 don't cla, Dungeon, dragons yeah straight. 466 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:05.200 TO hell i still had yet to find the CANDY 467 00:24:05.200 --> 00:24:05.720 with lsd. 468 00:24:05.799 --> 00:24:09.160 In it but, you know there was another victim of. 469 00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:12.559 This group her Name, was sophia so she had a 470 00:24:12.680 --> 00:24:15.799 history of, mental health being, sexually abused. Different stuff the 471 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:21.440 group was fat shaming her and then eventually psychologically cohersed 472 00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:25.680 her into cutting a swastika in. Her skin and then 473 00:24:25.720 --> 00:24:30.240 THERE was i in this. Red room so they actually had. 474 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:34.039 A girl they tried to convince her to hang herself 475 00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:38.039 in her closet while live, streaming it so she ended. 476 00:24:38.119 --> 00:24:41.960 Up surviving but these are some of the victim's stories 477 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:45.720 of how they, got involved just some of, their vulnerabilities 478 00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:48.279 like the one girl with this, eating disorder, you know 479 00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:51.279 fat shaming her or losing, sixty pounds she continues to 480 00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:55.359 keep going back to these chats

for. Some connection why 481 00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:57.319 is she even in? These chats how does she? Get? 482 00:24:57.359 --> 00:25:01.039 Involved right and then getting to the point where you're 483 00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:04.000 on a live stream beheading, a hamster like your? Pet, 484 00:25:04.039 --> 00:25:08.519 hamster like how did we? Get there where are? These parents? 485 00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:14.200 You Know obviously caden's parents weren't available for any comment, 486 00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:20.160 or anything so we don't know really any other information. 487 00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:23.799 On him but it's really sad about these victims, that 488 00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:28.279 survived and a lot of them, aren't counseling have tried to, 489 00:25:28.359 --> 00:25:34.079 kill themselves are. In therapy anything you want to add To, That, craig. 490 00:25:34.119 --> 00:25:36.960 WELL yeah i mean, It's this this goes back to 491 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:42.039 LIKE what i said earlier about, parental, oversight right you 492 00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:46.640 parents really need to be mindful of what's really, out 493 00:25:46.640 --> 00:25:49.960 there what's, going on and recognizing vulnerabilities in their. 494 00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:50.160 Own. 495 00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:53.519 Kids right, you know not all children. ARE adolescents i 496 00:25:53.519 --> 00:25:56.799 think are as succepceptible to being kind of lured into 497 00:25:56.839 --> 00:26:00.799 this these kinds OF organizations i think they're is a certain, 498 00:26:01.920 --> 00:26:06.680 you know psychological vulnerability and profile that makes some kids 499 00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:09.759 more likely to be victimized in this way or taken 500 00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:12.319 advantage of. And exploited and again it goes back to, 501 00:26:12.920 --> 00:26:16.119 you know again you mentioned this one girl's she had an. 502 00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:18.680 ABUSE history i mean that's a common theme across a lot. 503 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:21.680 Of these, you know when children, are abused that. 504 00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:24.279 Does open, up, vulnerabilities absolutely. 505 00:26:24.119 --> 00:26:27.240 But there's also that psychological piece. As well so again 506 00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:30.920 having that real high need to belong and feeling like you're, 507 00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:34.880 not connected belonging and looking for that, connection, somewhere wherever 508 00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:38.200 wherever you can, find, It right and, so unfortunately, you 509 00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:41.880 know if they find themselves connected with somebody in the 510 00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:45.000 inn organization, like this then they go down it goes 511 00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:47.599 down the, rabbit hole and, you know they get. Lured 512 00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:51.079 in right once they have they have the dirt, on you, you know, 513 00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:53.680 the kids, you know whatever it is that they, don't want, 514 00:26:53.799 --> 00:26:56.799 you know shared with the public or, posted publicly they're. 515 00:26:56.799 --> 00:26:57.640 Hooked in so. 516 00:26:57.680 --> 00:26:59.680 Then, having that, you know parents need to then have 517 00:26:59.759 --> 00:27:02.599 that conversation with your kids about if, this happens, you 518 00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:05.759 know what do, You, do like what should you do when? 519 00:27:05.759 --> 00:27:08.000 This happens and, you know the thing that we don't 520 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:10.759 want them to do is to try to conceal this from, 521 00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:13.359 their parents right or try to hide it because and 522 00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:15.200 then try to figure out how to, you know solve, 523 00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:16.359 it themselves because. 524 00:27:16.119 --> 00:27:17.400 They don't have the resources to. 525 00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:21.759 DO that i think having that conversation with your kids about, 526 00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:23.680 you know this is the stuff that's going on. Out there, 527 00:27:23.839 --> 00:27:25.759 you know this isn't this is happening in the. Real 528 00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:27.359 world and this IS what i want you. To do 529 00:27:27.799 --> 00:27:30.400 if someone ever, contacts you or someone ever asks you for, 530 00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:33.480 you KNOW a nudi picture of yourself or, you know anything, 531 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:34.440 like that that's how. 532 00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:36.200 This starts, You know i've got a case. 533 00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:39.079 Right now, you know it's a, confidence evaluation, but anyway it's, 534 00:27:39.200 --> 00:27:42.440 you know and it's like this very thing happened with this. 535 00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:46.599 Particular defendant, you know he started he got nude photos of, 536 00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:50.920 this victim this pre, adolescent victim he got, nude photos 537 00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:54.400 and then he used him against her to lure and 538 00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:58.599 basically get her to engage in. Illegal conduct so it doesn't, 539 00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:03.400 just happen, you know through. Online platforms it happens in 540 00:28:03.599 --> 00:28:07.799 actual physical, you know contact and physical spaces where, you 541 00:28:07.839 --> 00:28:12.079 know that's how kids then get sexually exploited by adults. 542 00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:14.599 As WELL so, i mean it's, happening online but it's 543 00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:17.440 also it happens. 544 00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:17.359 In the real. 545 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:20.200 World too it doesn't just always. Happen Online as DATA 546 00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:22.519 and i, both know because we get we get these 547 00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:23.079 cases all. 548 00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:25.119 The Time and i'll just add, to that it's not 549 00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:31.200 it's not confined to one particular, religion either, you know 550 00:28:31.240 -->

00:28:33.359 if they, Want to, oh no just aspect of. This too. You, 551 00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:37.279 Know again i've worked investigations where, you know many people 552 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:40.440 from many different types of religions are involved with this type. 553 00:28:40.440 --> 00:28:42.799 Of stuff so, you know one religion is not more 554 00:28:43.240 --> 00:28:46.599 apt to conduct this type you know of criminal activity versus. 555 00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:50.960 Another one, you know nor is one religion more violent than. 556 00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:54.359 Another one, you know they all have their. Crazy ideologies, 557 00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:57.279 but hey when you're the media and you're making the 558 00:28:57.319 --> 00:28:59.359 story and you're trying to scare everybody into like keep 559 00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:03.839 an eye or kills what sells well necessary drinking blood and, 560 00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:09.079 you know killing your kids, well. Right, sensationalism, yeah. 561 00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:11.400 Yeah so i'd. Say definitely craig, was saying talk to. 562 00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:13.599 YOUR kids i roll play with. MY kids i have. 563 00:29:13.640 --> 00:29:17.880 A teenager we've role played all. These scenarios and the 564 00:29:17.920 --> 00:29:19.759 point of role playing is you also see how, they 565 00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:22.960 respond what they know and what they. Don't know so, 566 00:29:24.039 --> 00:29:25.759 you know if you see a deficit and what, they 567 00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:28.279 know like they don't know how to handle this or 568 00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:30.279 they would do the, wrong thing you just role played 569 00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:33.359 with them And they're and YOU know i always roll 570 00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:35.119 play with. My son someone comes to the school to 571 00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:36.880 pick you up and, they say your mom sent me 572 00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:39.079 and they get in, the car like pick? Me up 573 00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:43.039 how we roll play? Through? That? Right seriously like? Role play, 574 00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:46.119 you know anybody asks you for all, these things roll 575 00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:50.839 actually role play and have them see how. They RESPOND 576 00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:52.640 and i, tell you like you never talk to. The 577 00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:55.000 cops we don't even know who, They, are like where's 578 00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:57.799 your Badge like i'm, Your parent i'm, Your adult i'm. 579 00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:02.160 Your protector so you could take your kid's iPad like 580 00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:05.039 you can take, it right take. 581 00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:07.680 Their, phone well parental controls, as well and things that 582 00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:10.119 you know that might, you know limit what they can 583 00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:15.000 access OR also i think available. As well, but boy 584 00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:17.599 that gives me a good

idea about putting together a 585 00:30:17.640 --> 00:30:20.920 training for parents on how to handle these types of 586 00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:23.599 very scenarios with role plays and. 587 00:30:23.640 --> 00:30:26.440 With Activity, b yeah that would be a what a. 588 00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:29.400 Great idea i'll see if my son wants to participate 589 00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:33.799 how he, actually responds because you know he's pretty well. 590 00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:36.480 Trained well also throwing what not to, you know what 591 00:30:36.599 --> 00:30:38.799 not to do or what you know what what behaviors 592 00:30:38.839 --> 00:30:41.880 will get, you know will get a child into trouble 593 00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:44.039 right and to Where they it's kind, of like, you 594 00:30:44.039 --> 00:30:46.839 know there's a parallel here in the. Prison system, you 595 00:30:46.880 --> 00:30:49.559 know we call the anatomy of, a Setup which eric knows. 596 00:30:49.599 --> 00:30:52.680 All about i'm sure it's a similar thing right where 597 00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.640 you know inmates will they look for those vulnerable clinicians 598 00:30:56.720 --> 00:30:59.680 or those free staff or even correctional staff all, the 599 00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:02.119 time and they know they can figure out who, is 600 00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:05.359 suggestible who is more vulnerable. To this, and boy once they, 601 00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:07.920 lock in they get. You man, And boy i'll tell 602 00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:10.480 YOU we've i personally have seen, you know in these, 603 00:31:10.519 --> 00:31:14.319 are psychologists psychologists who are trained you, Know, what oh 604 00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:17.599 we're cologists who you know are now having sexual relationships 605 00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:20.160 with inmates and bringing in contraband all. 606 00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:22.839 Of this but you, know what the common denominator for 607 00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:25.119 all that is the reason why they, do it the 608 00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:28.000 same reason for every other type. Of crime those crimes, 609 00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:32.359 money monetary man. MONETARY monetary, i mean, you know bringing 610 00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:34.519 a cell phone in. THE prison a cell phone is 611 00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:35.480 about one thousand dollars in. 612 00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:38.079 THE prison calli well it was two thousand and now 613 00:31:38.119 --> 00:31:40.599 it's it's, less now by, the way Because, in california 614 00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:43.160 the inmates have tablets that they can now talk to, 615 00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:43.480 you know. 616 00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:45.640 Family, with yeah they do have that Here. In florida 617 00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:47.400 but people, still have, you know cell phones because they 618 00:31:47.440 --> 00:31:49.039 want to Go, on facebook they want to post It, 619 00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:51.359 on instagram, you know they want to organize a head 620 00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:52.319 outside or so it's. 621 00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:55.960 Talk about Contra contrad so some of these people are 622 00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:58.559 locked up that we've, talked, About right so there's another 623 00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:02.720 guy Named. Al meda so he's In The Metropolitan detention Center. 624 00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:07.319 In brooklyn he got a. CONTRABAND phone i don't, know how. 625 00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:11.079 Because the Bureau of prisons. Is terrible what how could? 626 00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:14.160 That be he has a picture of himself with his 627 00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:17.599 shirt off and a homemade shank right in, each hand 628 00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:21.920 and he has. Some comments he's, locked up, you know he's, 629 00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:24.359 in chainel he's in shackles with his hands. And feet 630 00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:27.440 but in, the courtroom last time he was, in court he, 631 00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:29.279 yells OUT when i get out, Of here i'm gonna. 632 00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:31.400 Kill y'all i'm gonna come after your. 633 00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:35.799 Fucking kids let's. Be honest the number of TIMES that 634 00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:37.880 i heard that over my career and it's yet. To 635 00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:40.920 HAPPEN and i don't want to take away from the, Fact, 636 00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:42.519 that okay you got a guy who's, you know in. 637 00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:44.359 Federal custody he was making a direct. To, you yeah, 638 00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:47.400 it's scary but let's. Be honest most of them don't 639 00:32:47.440 --> 00:32:52.359 have the means or opportunity to. DO this i can't 640 00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:54.720 tell you how MANY times i Heard in may tell 641 00:32:54.799 --> 00:32:57.119 ME when i Worked that i'm going to kill you 642 00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:59.640 when you, Get out i'm gonna, you, know uh sexual 643 00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:02.880 assault your, family Members and, i'm like, all, Right dude 644 00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:04.680 i'll meet you when you. Get out just let. Me, 645 00:33:04.720 --> 00:33:06.759 know yeah happy to help when you're when, you're out 646 00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:08.279 you show up at the how. You know but but 647 00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:10.359 in regards, to contraband, you know and and the way 648 00:33:10.400 --> 00:33:11.920 that most of these inmates get these cell, phones in, 649 00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:14.559 of course it's. BY staff i mean a lot, of, 650 00:33:14.599 --> 00:33:18.119 times yes visitors do take, contraband in but it's a 651 00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:20.400 lot harder these days for a visitor to get contraband 652 00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:22.839 through security checkpoint then An is florida officer to get 653 00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:25.440 through security or. A NURSE and i gave an example that, 654 00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:27.279 you KNOW when i WORKED in DC and i was 655 00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:30.640 assigned

to. Maational security part of what we did on 656 00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:32.680 the gang UNIT that i was on was that no reviewed. 657 00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:36.519 Phone calls we, gather intelligence and, you know we were 658 00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:38.720 able To determine remember one time there was, a nurse 659 00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:42.759 nurse bringing in cell phones. In return she wasn't, getting 660 00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:44.119 money you know what she was getting in return for 661 00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:47.440 the cell. Phones, sex yeah there's always, two things it's 662 00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:50.839 either money. Or sex and that was That. In, florida 663 00:33:51.039 --> 00:33:53.839 yeah of course. It, Was yeah And, so eric what 664 00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:56.200 happened to? That nurse did she get she. Got, arrested 665 00:33:56.240 --> 00:33:59.240 yeah oh she. Did it she. Got, prosecuted huh well WE, 666 00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:02.480 in dc. They prosecuted we prosecuted. A lot, so yes 667 00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:03.839 she's terminated. 668 00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:07.440 And Prosecuted, in california that doesn't happen. 669 00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:10.239 Very, often now let me tell you there are people 670 00:34:10.280 --> 00:34:13.679 that have gone quietly and you know they just, got fired. 671 00:34:13.679 --> 00:34:16.360 Lost certification they release them and that's the end. Of 672 00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:19.719 it but if we had to call in, you know the, 673 00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:22.719 inspect's office, you know to do the criminal, investigation side 674 00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:25.920 you're going to. Get charged so and we have to do. 675 00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:27.840 Extra work you're getting charged, for well and you should. 676 00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:29.800 Get charged and, You know i'm a. 677 00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:32.480 STRONG advocate i don't care if you're, a nurse, a doctor, 678 00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:36.159 a psychologist or a. Correctional officer you pull, this shit you, 679 00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:39.079 get arrested and you get sent. To Prison because i'll 680 00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:41.960 tell you what that, Sets us that sets us. A 681 00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.960 standard right other. People go you know that might not 682 00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:47.960 be worth the risk me going. 683 00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:50.400 To prison and when we talk about gangs and, organized 684 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:52.760 crime you know how dangerous is it to have a 685 00:34:52.760 --> 00:34:55.079 bunch of cell phones in a? Confinement unit remember that 686 00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:57.239 it was a. Very dangerous this is a confinement union 687 00:34:57.280 --> 00:35:00.639 this is, you know this was our either disciplinary offenders 688 00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:02.480 or the worst inmates we had in the comment they 689 00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:04.519 could not be out. In public you don't want them 690 00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:06.239 having

a. Cell. Phone yeah, some people, you know they get. 691 00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:08.360 A cephone they want to call their wife or their. Eighteen, 692 00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:10.960 girlfriends yeah but some are engaged in, you know, organized, 693 00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:14.920 crime right directing operations from whatever is inside. The prison that's. The, 694 00:35:14.920 --> 00:35:16.039 biggest yeah that fires. 695 00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:17.599 ME up i get sick and tired to HEAR when 696 00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:19.280 i hear about THESE and i hear it all the 697 00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:21.360 time from, you KNOW because i have connections still with 698 00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:23.719 you know folks in the prison system and kel oh 699 00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:25.960 yeah they got walked off because they were bringing, you 700 00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:27.679 know cell phones in. Or whatever and, it's like, all 701 00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:30.920 right where's the criminal prosecution? On, this, WELL uh i 702 00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:31.800 don't know that that's going. 703 00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:34.719 To happen and that IS why i, were TIRED because i. 704 00:35:34.800 --> 00:35:38.920 WAS tired i was tired of doing, my investigations, you 705 00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:42.239 know listening to, phone calls, reviewing mail finding officers on, 706 00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:45.440 phone calls talking, to inmates and then nothing gets done about. 707 00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:47.519 Nothing HAPPENS so i, was like, you, know what. FUCK 708 00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:50.519 it i could go off BE a pi and not give, 709 00:35:50.559 --> 00:35:51.400 a shit THAT'S what, i did. 710 00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:57.960 You Know, and craig let's talk about for, a second 711 00:35:58.000 --> 00:35:59.920 because we want to talk about some of these corrupt 712 00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:03.719 CEOs that get in there and how does? This happen 713 00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:04.159 how does? 714 00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:07.880 This, Happen, hmmm oh we. DON'T know i. Don't know 715 00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:10.519 it's probably the poor. Background check maybe the. 716 00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:15.239 Background investigation where they have evidence that someone was, gang affiliated, 717 00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:18.039 you know as a teenager and probably still has gang 718 00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:20.639 CONNECTIONS through i, Don't know facebook or their social media 719 00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:24.159 and when asked about that during the background the applicant 720 00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:28.559 says or doesn't respond to the background, investigators inquiries, you know, 721 00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:31.760 multiple times and then they clear the person through the 722 00:36:31.760 --> 00:36:35.400 background and then they come to, the psychologist and the, psychologist. 723 00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:37.519 Says huh this. Is strange what? About? 724 00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:40.400 This right and then we see a profile a

protocol 725 00:36:40.440 --> 00:36:44.760 that suggests there's an antisocial personality architecture here and this 726 00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:48.239 person did not, you know was not transparent about, you 727 00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:51.199 know their background to the, background investigator yet they still. 728 00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:55.400 Got cleared that's how these, Things. Happen dana and. 729 00:36:55.400 --> 00:37:01.400 Guess what so psychologists like us can do these psyche 730 00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:06.480 valves and they were paying so the government had contracts 731 00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:10.360 where they're paying PSYCHOLOGISTS like us one hundred and fifty 732 00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:14.760 dollars to write like a seven page psychological report with 733 00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:20.840 testing and then barely pay you like minimum weight. To 734 00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:23.039 do and then if they, don't pass you're saying this 735 00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:25.880 person is a, red flag and they get angry with 736 00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:29.719 you because they're. Just desperate we need to just clear 737 00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:31.639 them and let them in because we. Need staff so 738 00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:35.760 they basically ignore your report and then you. Get penalized if, you're, 739 00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:37.480 Like well i'm gonna have to do if you want 740 00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:40.480 me to testify or write an additional, supplemental report you don't. 741 00:37:40.480 --> 00:37:43.920 Get paid so the psychologist is incentivized to just pass 742 00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:47.480 people to. Not care how do you think all these CEOs? 743 00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:49.840 Got in there was like one whole prison where all 744 00:37:49.840 --> 00:37:52.239 the CEOs were, raping women then shut down, the prison 745 00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:54.519 transport Them, to texas and, we're like oh, my god how? 746 00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:56.519 That, happened well this, is yeah this is. 747 00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:58.599 Happening everywhere by, the way it's not just, you, know 748 00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:00.800 yeah how we got on the topic. 749 00:38:00.840 --> 00:38:01.679 From gangs we. 750 00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:03.480 Got there i'll tell you how exactly how we, got 751 00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:05.559 there because it is connected to what we're. Talking about, 752 00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:08.599 you know we talked, about suggestibility vulnerability of like you, 753 00:38:08.639 --> 00:38:12.119 know staff, you know, inside prisons can we get manipulated just? 754 00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:15.119 Like kids. YOU know i, watched, officers sergeants, you know 755 00:38:15.159 --> 00:38:18.280 this is command staff forcing inmates to. Eat tobacco, you 756 00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:20.159 know they would find TOBACCO and I had i had 757 00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:24.480 a sergeant who made the inmate eat it was probably like. 758 00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:27.119 Eight cigarettes eat. The Cigarettes and, i'm, LIKE dude i 759 00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:29.920 fucking can't deal with. This shit, YOU know i may 760 00:38:29.960 --> 00:38:32.719 complaints about officers who were interfering with my. Gang investigations, 761 00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:34.760 you know they would go find out that a social 762 00:38:34.840 --> 00:38:37.119 member was being interviewed for, you know, gang something and 763 00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:38.920 they would go, and try, you know try to be 764 00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:40.119 friend of. That inmate, i'm, like dude what? 765 00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:40.400 The fuck? 766 00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:43.559 You know and these are the problems that you have 767 00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:48.519 when you don't do thorough backgrounds. On individuals, you know 768 00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:51.440 you don't do proper. Background INVESTIGATIONS and i guesstill a 769 00:38:51.519 --> 00:38:54.440 number EVEN when i was the. Entire, process like the 770 00:38:54.519 --> 00:38:57.119 most important QUESTION that i can remember being asked when 771 00:38:57.239 --> 00:38:59.760 in my interview was, this question do you have any 772 00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:02.599 problem shooting? An inmate that was the most important question they. 773 00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:05.519 Asked me they didn't ask two shits about what my. 774 00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:09.239 Gang affiliation before the. Interview ended the warden looks at me, 775 00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:11.880 and says if, you're hired do you have any problem shooting? 776 00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:14.440 An inmate the QUESTION that i got, asked was, you 777 00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:16.840 know do would you have a problem taking a? 778 00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:20.039 Human LIFE and i said. Absolutely not OF course. 779 00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:22.400 I would have no problem. With that someone's like firing 780 00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:23.880 a gun. At me they're, gonna yeah. 781 00:39:23.800 --> 00:39:26.559 Rounds are gonna, be, RETURNED folks i. DON'T care i 782 00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:29.440 guess in our situation is different because in, our situation 783 00:39:30.239 --> 00:39:32.800 if they touched, that fence it's, deadly FORCE which i 784 00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:35.679 DON'T always i didn't always agree, with that, you know 785 00:39:35.719 --> 00:39:37.480 and it was it was, you know and Now that, 786 00:39:37.519 --> 00:39:40.679 I'M older i, Think back, I'm, like EH would i 787 00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:43.199 really have shot somebody for trying to climb? A fence? 788 00:39:44.119 --> 00:39:46.880 You know unfortunately that's what the. Law was it's your 789 00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:50.320 rules of engagement in. That, state, yeah yeah it doesn't 790 00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:53.519 matter if they're, in therefore, you know driving to, spend license, you, 791 00:39:53.559 --> 00:39:57.079 Know felony you touch, that fence, you die, All right 792 00:39:57.079 --> 00:39:59.559 now that we

talked about homicide and, everything, else, well 793 00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:03.920 yeah it's justifiable, humsde, guess, right now this extortion thing 794 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:04.480 is is a. 795 00:40:04.480 --> 00:40:06.760 BIG problem, i mean it's it's bigger than a bigger 796 00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:07.440 PROBLEM than i thought. 797 00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:09.719 It was. The thing it's existed for, a WHILE and 798 00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:12.000 i mean even back in early two thousand, and nineties 799 00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:15.519 we had Groups of nigerian scammers that would scam People 800 00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:17.559 on skype, and stuff doing what, we'll call, you know. 801 00:40:17.599 --> 00:40:20.360 Sex stortion you know where you will write or they 802 00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:23.719 lock your computer and, they're like we've got you masturbating 803 00:40:23.760 --> 00:40:24.679 on your camera and you. 804 00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:27.920 Know, what, look guys. Anybody listening if somebody reaches out 805 00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:29.360 to you, and, says oh if you don't get me eight, 806 00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:32.159 Thousand dollars i'm gonna put this on porn, up whatever go. 807 00:40:32.199 --> 00:40:34.119 For it put. It on i'll be a. FUCKING star i. 808 00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:37.519 DON'T care, i like go, for man send it, out 809 00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:38.519 everywhere put it on. 810 00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:38.639 The. 811 00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:40.840 Web, Man yeah i'll make money off. OF it i. 812 00:40:40.840 --> 00:40:44.639 Will averatie. You know but when it, involves children that's 813 00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:48.039 when we have. A problem i, will say maybe for 814 00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:50.400 guys we're more or less likely to be concerned about 815 00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:51.880 being online than. For FEMALES maybe i. 816 00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:54.239 Don't, know, WELL no i think there is. A gender, 817 00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:56.480 you're right there's a gender. DIFFERENCE here i think that 818 00:40:56.719 --> 00:40:59.480 the girls are more again more vulnerable to be exploited 819 00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:01.840 in this way than, guys are, you KNOW and. I 820 00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:04.920 don't most of the cases, are female right that we 821 00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:07.760 see who are, engaging in you know self injurious behaviors 822 00:41:07.800 --> 00:41:10.280 are the things that are that they're they're telling them. To, 823 00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:12.119 do otherwise, you know we're going to share your we're 824 00:41:12.119 --> 00:41:13.719 going to send your family. 825 00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:16.320 These pictures of you or these, you know these. Explicit 826 00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:18.559 photos and, you know again when we talk about, you know, 827 00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:21.960 not again not every male or female thinks the same 828 00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:23.519 that YOU and. I do but, you know for You 829 00:41:23.559

--> 00:41:25.760 and i'll, somebody said oh you know if you know 830 00:41:25.880 --> 00:41:26.559 do doesn't take all? 831 00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:26.719 Your? 832 00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:31.079 Pictures? Okay cool, you know like whatever hour, FOR myself 833 00:41:31.159 --> 00:41:32.639 i don't give a shit and what anybody else, IS 834 00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:34.000 like i, don't care. You, know. 835 00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:41.000 Okay what lessons did we learn? Here, today uh don't, 836 00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:45.400 do crimes don't, commit crimes, Thank, you eric thank you. 837 00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:47.239 Very much don't send. 838 00:41:47.119 --> 00:41:52.360 Nudes nudes like craigs, of, nudes. Nudies. Nudi's well the 839 00:41:52.360 --> 00:41:55.199 biggest thing is pay attention to what your kids. Are doing, 840 00:41:55.519 --> 00:41:57.480 you know your lessons. Are doing look at their, you 841 00:41:57.519 --> 00:42:00.400 know look at, their phone, because again, you know these 842 00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:02.920 situations are not just, you know it's not some dude 843 00:42:03.039 --> 00:42:06.639 in a white van driving around. The neighborhood people are 844 00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:09.880 kidnapping your kids. From target it's happening in the digital 845 00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:12.519 aid and only going to continue getting worse and unless 846 00:42:12.519 --> 00:42:15.840 you pay attention to. The signs and again it's not 847 00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:17.920 just signs, of abuse not just signs of, your children 848 00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:19.800 but also look for signs of them getting involved in 849 00:42:20.119 --> 00:42:22.639 this type. Of stuff, you know changes, of dressing, style, changing, 850 00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:25.840 yeah exactly, behavioral, changes yeah we have saying just how, 851 00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:27.960 they dress, you know how, they act how, they talk, 852 00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:30.400 you know are they paint you know again seven six 853 00:42:30.480 --> 00:42:33.199 four had a very specific. Emblem picture, you know is 854 00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:35.920 your kid drawing, you know very particular images all. The time, 855 00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:38.800 you know look for these types of patterns and things, 856 00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:41.920 as parents, you know don't just shove your phone in 857 00:42:41.920 --> 00:42:43.480 your kid's face and, be, like okay, you, know go, 858 00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:44.960 You know i'm gonna make mac and, cheese. 859 00:42:44.840 --> 00:42:47.800 Now yeah and take your electronic device away from your kid. 860 00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:50.360 At night they should be in like some some parents 861 00:42:50.440 --> 00:42:52.800 will like let their have the electronic device on. 862 00:42:52.840 --> 00:42:57.079 Their nightstand nothing good happens. After, dark yeah THAT'S all. 863 00:42:56.960 --> 00:42:58.679 I get, All, right craig any? 864 00:42:58.719 --> 00:43:00.519 Final comments eric sum. 865 00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:02.360 This up, really, well right which is just, you, know, 866 00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:05.960 parent parent because we're talking about adolescents and kids, right, 867 00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:08.280 Here right so parents have to, you know take the 868 00:43:08.360 --> 00:43:11.559 lead here and be involved in their kids' lives in 869 00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:14.079 terms of, you know their. Digital lives and, that's yes, 870 00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:16.760 it's intrusive and yes kids want autonomy when they, get 871 00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:20.400 older right when they're, In adolescents but there's a trade. 872 00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:22.679 Off here how much autonomy do you want to give 873 00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:27.119 your kids knowing what's going on you know today and. 874 00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:30.280 WHAT'S happening, i mean IT'S the i think these the 875 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:33.440 threats are, absolutely real And like eric, SAID that i 876 00:43:33.480 --> 00:43:35.639 think they're going. To grow they're going to continue to 877 00:43:35.639 --> 00:43:39.280 get to grow because of this. Monetary incentive these, monetary incentives, 878 00:43:39.440 --> 00:43:43.880 you know they always can, breed this right. It can 879 00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:47.559 so that would be my takeaway or, you know take a. 880 00:43:47.599 --> 00:43:51.159 Takeaway message, All, Right well i'm Headed To juvenile hall 881 00:43:51.719 --> 00:43:55.480 detention facility to interview a team based on some crimes. 882 00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:58.280 He's committed so this is the type of work. We 883 00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:02.079 Do so CRAIG and i, these reports, you know and 884 00:44:02.480 --> 00:44:05.400 sometimes the court is looking for us to. BANK recommendations 885 00:44:06.079 --> 00:44:09.119 i interview people, LIKE this i do their psychical they're testing. 886 00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:13.199 Right recommendations so if you need a, forensic psychologist you 887 00:44:13.239 --> 00:44:18.079 can find me at psychologydoctor. Dot Com, and eric where 888 00:44:18.119 --> 00:44:20.960 can they? Find you we NEED a pi on. Your 889 00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:24.239 team we gotta gotta do some. Sleuth work they. 890 00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:27.079 Can always use the website at zuli at pa dot 891 00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:30.000 com or our new name because, we did we did change. 892 00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:33.840 Our name we are rebranding sleuth iq. At Io. Who, 893 00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:36.800 yeah yeah, it's, nice right like that sluth. Like you, 894 00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:37.719 YEAH yeah i. 895 00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:40.360 Like, it yeah and you should definitely even if you're 896 00:44:40.400 --> 00:44:43.079 you don't run a background check on anyone you're going 897 00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:45.199 to date or if your kid is get involved, with 898 00:44:45.239 --> 00:44:45.920 someone you Can. 899 00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:48.719 Call eric it's more flund to just ate them and wait. 900 00:44:48.760 --> 00:44:52.400 Till later figure. It, out yeah figure. It out, life short, 901 00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:55.480 you know you only, live once, you know. Adventure thing 902 00:44:55.599 --> 00:44:58.280 this is Probably why i'm divorced by MYSELF because i just, 903 00:44:58.400 --> 00:44:59.119 you know backgrounds. 904 00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:01.920 Like, everybody okay wrap, It, up craig where can they? 905 00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:03.480 Find you and then we're gonna. 906 00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:05.079 Peace out they can find me. 907 00:45:05.199 --> 00:45:09.119 THROUGH you I mean i'm connected on, your website so that's. It's, 908 00:45:09.159 --> 00:45:11.639 easier yeah your website's easier to find, than mine but 909 00:45:12.039 --> 00:45:12.639 it is, quite. 910 00:45:13.039 --> 00:45:15.880 YES and i would like to say we're gonna start doing, 911 00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:21.159 podcast episodes just only once. A. 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