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Yeah, yeah, yeah. What's up?
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What? Nothing.
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What is.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Where is it from?
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Scrubs. Oh. Yeah, I'm going to Reno.
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Yay! That's right.
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But wait. Obviously, it's coming back. Well, we're recording this
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in September, but it's coming back next week.
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I know.
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Can't wait. Are you excited for it?
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Very excited.
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It's actually a full season this time.
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I know.
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We'll get to that. We'll get there. We love TV.
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We love Scrubs.
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We love Scrubs. But another show you do love, though,
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other than Scrubs, which is one of your all-time favorite shows,
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Boy Meets World. You actually finished a recent binge of
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the show. I did. This is the second time I've
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binged a show with you.
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I think it's the second time I've just binged it
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in probably the last 20 years.
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Well, then... You've done it more than twice before in
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the past, right?
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I will.
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I remember doing it with you during COVID, during the pandemic,
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when we were home.
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I mean, I watched it when I was a teenager.
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Do you watch all seven years in order?
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I didn't watch it like that, but I watched it
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when I got sick, so I got all the reruns.
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So I got the majority of the storyline, and I
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tried to keep up with it.
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No, I... And I remember being a teenager and coming
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home after school and making sure that I was in
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front of my TV.
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Right. When I knew the rerun.
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Was coming on.
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That came out in 93. I was into TV still,
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but I was more into sports at that point. So
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it was one of those shows I did like, but
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I was not obsessed with like everybody else was at
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that time. Other than Topanga, of course. Because, you know,
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Topanga's Topanga.
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But I never actually watched the entire show at all
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from start to finish until during the pandemic with you.
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And that was fun. And then we watched it again recently.
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Oh, I must have watched it then.
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Yeah, we did. That's the first time I ever watched it.
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No, I'm saying I must have binged it early on
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in our relationship then too.
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Not with me, no. You have, but I'm saying that
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I watched it with you multiple times now. Start to finish.
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Yeah. So.
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And obviously, the biggest, like, takeaway from that show is
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the relationship and marriage, really, of Corey Topanga.
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Mm-hmm.
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You know? So it's... It's got me thinking about, you know,
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the legacy of that show and their... How we look
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at couples and, you know... You and I have talked about, like,
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all the shows we've watched in the years, couples we
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love on the shows that we... That made an impact
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on us. And... I'm just wondering... Watching this again, I
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was like, is there a case that Corey Tabanga might
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be really the greatest love story in TV sitcom history?
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Because they are such an anomaly. So I wrote a
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couple of chocolate points I wanted to discuss with you
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for Corey Tabanga. Then a kind of argument about why
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it's not. And then we'll be on together at the
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end to kind of see where it ranks among the
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greatest couples of all time. So first thing here. How
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many sitcom couples can actually say they evolved seamlessly from
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middle school weirdos to married adults in real time? And
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why did that growth feel so earned? Because I don't
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remember many shows that, because Saved by the Bell had that,
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something like that was high school for Kelly and Zach.
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one couple that get married and that's it. In the
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Because even in the girl's world, years later, they're still married.
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I mean, I... Think... I don't... I don't... The only
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other couple that I could think of that really, like...
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Goes through all of that, but it's over two shows.
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Who's this? DJ and Steve.
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A full house?
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Yeah, but they never... And maybe I'm going to forget
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this a little bit. When Full House ended in 94,
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they were together, right?
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I don't remember.
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See, I don't remember. DJ Steve became a thing to
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the tail end of the show, though.
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But when they started Fuller House.
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They weren't together at all.
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No, but they bring Steve in.
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And then they end up together again, and then they
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end up married.
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But the thing about Court Spangler that's so special about them.
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I mean, that was over one show, but that's what
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I'm saying, is that I don't... If you're... Talking just
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strictly about the couple itself, right? There is still that
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love story with DJ and Steve, too, that just kind of...
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It stands the test of time because they still remained
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friends even after that. They were friends and then got
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back together. You know what I mean?
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So, like, there's still an argument to be made that
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they also... I mean, I personally... Corey and Topanga are
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one of my favorite couples just because.
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They are so unique. One of the....
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I think they're probably my favorite TV couple.
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I think this... Well, no. To me, the reason why
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I think the case is strong for them is that
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they are the most consistent from that period all the
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way through.
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Yes. So, okay. They are not my sole favorite sitcom couple.
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I know the other one is. It's Chuck and Carla.
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But it's us.
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Right. But also Dr. Cox and Jordan.
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They're insane, though.
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Yes, but that's why I love them. As far as, like,
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90s sitcoms go, Corey and Topanga are incredibly unique in
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what their love story offers. Because it's not just from
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middle school.
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It's that they... there's a lot that they go through
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that tests their relationship.
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And then the fact that they stayed together through all
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of that, they break up a couple of times, they
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get back together, like....
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Then they get married. They get married at such a
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young age.
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Freshman year of high school. So, like.
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Of college. Sorry, college. Not high school.
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And then they have to build this life together. I
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feel like we're cheated.
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a little bit in the back end, because the show
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got seven seasons. It got married season six. I feel
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like that show could have used another year or two
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of them seeing how they developed that relationship in college.
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You see how they develop marriage.
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But I think that's what it is. They are who
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they are, and they're not going to change.
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No, but they go through that even in their married phase.
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They become like an old married couple in college, and
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it's shown. Across a number of episodes, actually.
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It's quite boring, actually.
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You have Sean, Angela, and Rachel who all go to
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different parties and stuff. And then when Corey and Topanga
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are throwing a party at their place, it's him in
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a fucking sweater and her in a silk button-down shirt.
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And they're okay with that. Nobody shows up to their party.
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Because they're boring.
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Right. Right. Nobody
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up fighting and then like having like a food fight.
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They end up rolling around on the floor together. So
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like Sean, Angela and Rachel all show up, see them
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on the floor together. And they're like, all right, we're out.
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You know, but like, I don't know. You see them
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develop into that old married couple. And then you see
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them go through this bit where.
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Topanga does get a job in New York.
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Right, and he goes over with her.
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Yeah, but he freaks out.
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And then he's calm, and then he gets it. I
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don't know. They are who they are.
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It's quite boring. But I think people understand that love
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like that is quite boring, aesthetically speaking, anyway. They remind
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me of us, actually, a lot. I mean, obviously, we
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were a lot older than they were at the time,
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but I'm just saying that The lifestyle. We're not quite
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exciting people. We like to be home in our house
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in pajamas and doing what we do. That's it. So
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that's what we are. So I guess I can relate
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to that. But it's shocking to see people at that
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age being that way.
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I mean, I would have loved to see them... Like,
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to see how they handle New York as a freshly
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married couple.
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That would have been nice.
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With Sean going with them. And then... I would have
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loved to have seen how everything kind of develops. He
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becomes a teacher. She's a lawyer, I think.
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And like you get a little bit of that in
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Girl Meets World, but Girl Meets World is centered around
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their daughter.
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So like you don't get to see.
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The growth.
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Right. how they deal with parenthood, how they handle going
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through that.
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Because most of the growth really was through the middle school,
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high school, into college.
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That's what you see.
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Because they are who they are. Yeah. And that's what
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we have to accept that. Topanga started out as the
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eccentric flower girl, and Kory was the neurotic average kid.
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How did two completely different opposite personalities manage to balance
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each other out instead of clashing?
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I mean, I think that's... That's the insane part. No.
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No.
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I think that's what makes sense.
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What did Paula Abdul say back in the day? Opposites attract?
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I don't even think it's necessarily that opposites attract. I
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think that sometimes we just find the people that ground us.
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And I think Topanga was one of those people. And
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you see, actually, there's a time period where he no
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longer feels that from her. And it's because she's become...
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Like your average, I think they were in college.
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What do you mean?
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It was when Joshua was born. So yeah, they were
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in college.
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They just started college at the time, right?
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Yeah. And he no longer feels like he's freaking out
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because he doesn't feel like anything's going to be fine.
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And she just, she is like distant from him. And
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instead of grounding him, instead of telling him that everything's
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going to be okay. And him believing her.
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The hospital, right?
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Right. Like he, she doesn't understand where he's coming from. Right.
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And I don't remember who ends up explaining it to her,
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but she ends up doing something that she did in
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middle school.
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The thing with the.
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Yes. The thing with the lipstick.
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Right.
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So like, She realizes at that point that she is
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the person that grounds him. And she comes back to
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herself as that calming nature.
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That's true love. That's true love.
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I agree. Totally agree with you on that. Did Corey
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Topanga set a realistic standard for 90s kids growing up? No,
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absolutely not. Or did they accidentally trick an entire generation
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into believing that Middle School Crush was the one?
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What's the last part of that?
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No, did they accidentally trick an entire generation into believing
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that the Middle School Crush was the one? It's such
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an anomaly. It's such an anomaly.
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Okay. That's an entirely different... I grew up on Disney movies.
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Okay? We thought that we as women were going to
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be rescued by men and have a knight in shining armor.
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We were all tricked.
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So whether they're... They were absolutely not a realistic standard.
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Not at all. But, like... I feel like all of
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us middle school age children were tricked into believing different
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things just because.
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Why is that, though? I always wonder why that is.
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I mean, I can... Okay, so... I don't know about
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the male side of things. I know about the female
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side of things because I lived it. Okay, so... women
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in society yeah are tricked to believe that we are
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supposed to look a certain way and act a certain
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way and and you know believe in certain things right
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so like we have all been taught this from a
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young age.
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Yep and i know this too i have sisters i.
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Know none of it is realistic it's bullshit yes all
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of it is i agree Because we are all different people.
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We are all raised differently. We all have different values,
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different morals, different principles, different things that make us who
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we are, right?
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Right.
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So to believe that me as a five-foot woman is
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going to look like fucking Cindy.
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Crawford is fucking stupid.
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You know what I mean? There's no way in hell
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I would ever be able to.
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Look like Cindy Crawford. Yeah, you need a mole. It's
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not the mole. I'm joking.
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It's not. Oh my gosh.
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By the way, prayers for her. Her son passed away last,
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I don't know if you saw that. I think he overdosed.
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That's terrible. Yeah, she's 27 years old.
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Jeez.
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Yeah, it's crazy.
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That's terrible.
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Sorry, I didn't mean to get all like, you know.
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No, you mean it morbid, bro.
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I apologize for that. He's, we mentioned Seneca-Rodford. We both
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said Seneca-Rodford. I figured it was good with prayers.
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I was trying to think of, who's the one that
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Seal was married to?
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Heidi Klum.
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Heidi Klum.
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Yeah. I do back a lot of great looking women though.
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I know. But like to believe that us as like
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normal average women would ever look like that.
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Yeah.
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You know, we never would.
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Yeah.
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So like we were born into a society that made
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us believe that that's how we look or that's how
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we were supposed to look.
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Which thank God it's breaking now. Thank God it's breaking.
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It's not really. You don't think so?
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You don't think it is?
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No, because now we're looking at things....
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Yeah, I get what you're saying.
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Ariana Grande right now and a couple of other famous
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actresses are, like, not... They are.
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I'm just concerned about her especially.
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They are too skinny and it's becoming, like, a fad now.
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Like, it's becoming... A thing.
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Which is... I don't agree with it. I don't.
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Yeah.
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I don't think it's okay.
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But, like.
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It's hard as a woman because you're constantly comparing yourself
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to those kinds of people.
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Right.
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Because that's what our definition of beauty is. So we
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as young girls were always taught a societal standard that
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we would never live up to.
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Right.
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So regardless of it being Corey and Topanga or a
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Disney princess or Heidi Klum, you know, like... we were
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raised to believe in crazy, what is the word I'm
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looking for? Non-realistic standards. So I don't necessarily know if
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they tricked people into believing that the middle school crush
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was the one, but we all, especially as teenage girls,
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have raging hormones.
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Yeah.
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We're always like, oh my gosh, he could be the one.
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He could be the love of my life. The world
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would be much easier if people just let people live
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and just do whatever they want to do, and that's it.
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I mean, we as teenage girls did not think that way.
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I'm just saying in general.
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Everything was life and death. You know what I mean? Yeah.
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Oh, God.
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Okay? You bought the wrong eye shadow, and it was
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life and death. You wore the wrong jeans, and it
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was life and death.
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Even guys had that to some extent, but on a
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lower level, though.
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But that's what I'm saying. It's like, when you become
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an adult, you look at these things, and you go, oh,
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that's TV. Yeah. And you know it's TV. And you
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know how unrealistic it is. And you literally watch. This
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is why I love to watch TV. TV and movies are.
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I love it too.
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They're a way for me to escape.
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To your point, you know how I am when it
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comes to all the things I'm into. Wrestling, TV, sports.
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It is that. And I love that. Even as an
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adult now.
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Right. But that's why I love shows like that because
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they are unrealistic. But it's nice to be able to
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watch something and kind of escape into a world where
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that is possible.
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Yeah. It is possible. It's very, very, very unlikely. Very unlikely. Now,
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so when Topanga turned down Yale to stay with Corey,
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was that the ultimate proof of true love or a
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massive life mistake disguised as romance? Because I think it's
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true love.
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Feeney tells her that unless she has a really good
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reason to not go to Yale... she should go to
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yale right she took that and ran with it solely
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because i think she knew cory was her soulmate yeah
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don't think that she made a mistake because she still
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became what she wanted to be like her school her
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college was still a good college it wasn't.
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That she um She went to school for what initially?
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What did she want to be again?
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I think law.
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I'm pretty sure she became a lawyer. And what was
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she in Grooming World? Was she a lawyer?
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I think she was.
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So she ended up doing what she wanted.
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That's what I'm saying.
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Right.
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I think she was a lawyer. Right. You might have
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to verify that for me. Okay.
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I'll check that. Does seeing them decades later in Grooming World,
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speaking of that, as happily married parents prove their relationship
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was built to last, or does it feel too fairytale perfect?
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I think both.
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I think both.
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I think both.
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But I think as an adult watching that, you know
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that it's TV. So it is a fairy tale.
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Yeah. Yeah, it is a fairy tale to some degree.
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But it's also built around realistic realism.
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You and I have been together for 20 years. Yes. Okay.
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Over 20 years.
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We've been... I.
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Got the mounts too, Lauren.
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Sorry.
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I got the mounts.
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Sorry. It's 20 years this year.
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15 married, 20 together.
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So... I think as a longtime couple that has stood,
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withstood every test that's been thrown at us.
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Especially in this era.
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Not just this era.
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I'm just saying, especially with the divorce rate. Divorce rate
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is getting worse and worse and worse.
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Yeah.
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Um.
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It's difficult. I think the reason that you feel like
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you relate to them a lot is because we've been
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together as long as we have been.
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Granted, different eras.
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Yes, different eras, different ages, all of that. But we
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still understand what it takes to maintain a relationship like this.
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So watching that play out on TV for us is like, oh,
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it's possible.
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I'm sure it's happened before, but it's just not widespread
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without question.
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No, but honestly, a lot of the time I feel
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like we are an unrealistic standard.
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You know, the only other couple really I know that
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is like that similar to us, but, you know, getting together.
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It's my sister.
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Yeah.
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My sister and my brother-in-law. Yeah. They were college sweethearts.
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Literally the first month or two in freshman year.
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Yeah.
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And they were pretty much acting like.
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And they're still together.
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To this day. They have three kids. One's in college already.
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You know. Yeah. You know, they've been together about 26
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years total.
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Yeah.
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And, you know, and they've been married 22. You know,
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and they are still going strong.
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Yeah.
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And they operate, they're very similar to us because they
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operate to marry a couple from the word go pretty much.
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Well, your dad's whole side of the family really kind
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of has that.
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Yeah, they do. They do. Very, very strong. Very strong.
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My generation really is.
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Because your cousins too are a lot like that.
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Yes, one of my other cousins is the doctor. Him
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and his wife have been together through high school.
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Yeah.
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And still together now. So, they're, if anything, they're very
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much like Topanga and, and, and, and, Corey, of course. Um,
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When you watch a show with adult eyes now, because
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you watch it as a kid, you watch it as
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an adult, were Corey Topanga actually a goal-worthy couple, or
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were they dangerously codependent with each other from way too
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young an age?
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I think both can be true.
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Yeah, but I don't know if they were codependent in
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a way where, like... Because they did, I guess, in
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some ways....
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There was a lot of codependency.
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Was it dangerous though? I don't know if it was dangerous.
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She fucking ran away from home like three hours away.
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From Pittsburgh to Philadelphia.
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So yeah, dangerously. I would say dangerously.
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See, if anything, that angle of the relationship where she
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moved to an entourage for a year that she wasn't
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even close to. That's fair to tell bullshit there. But
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it gets.
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Dangerous because she's a young teenage girl by herself going
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three hours.
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Well, older teenage girl. She was 17 at the time,
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I think.
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I'm just saying she was still a young girl.
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Yes.
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Granted, her parents shouldn't have moved her away in her
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last year of high school and so on and so forth.
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Jobs happen. As an adult, I would never.
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Do that to my child. And they could have arranged
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for her to stay with her aunt for the last
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year without her running away. But like, The fact that
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she ran away just to be with Corey, that's dangerous.
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Yes.
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I agree.
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I agree.
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I agree.
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So, like, you know, the show essentially revolved history, going
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from Corey barely liking to bang on season one, of course,
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they were kids at the time, but it was like
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12 years old, to claiming they love each other since
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age two. Does that continuity retcon cheapen their actual story?
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Because they kind of like, they fit through the first
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couple years.
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I mean, for the first few seasons, you just kind
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of like.
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He was what, 12 years old?
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It's Corey and Sean. It's Corey and Sean.
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Was he 12 years old when that first show started?
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Or 13?
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I don't remember.
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He was Eli's age, right?
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I think so.
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Okay.
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I think it was sixth grade.
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Yeah.
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So it kind of. like in the beginning, it's him
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and Sean, you know, and it's just him and Sean
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being young middle school boys that, you know, we're like,
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we're idiots. Yeah. So you see that until, until like
512
00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:43.140
he starts to spend a little bit more time with them.
513
00:24:43.180 --> 00:24:44.119
Do you know what they remind me of? Do you
514
00:24:44.140 --> 00:24:45.460
know what Corey and Sean remind me of? Actually, I
515
00:24:45.480 --> 00:24:47.779
thought about that. Me and my best friend, Alex, back
516
00:24:47.799 --> 00:24:48.619
in high school, middle school.
517
00:24:48.660 --> 00:24:48.900
Probably.
518
00:24:48.920 --> 00:24:49.839
That would have been the same way.
519
00:24:49.859 --> 00:24:50.539
I would believe that.
520
00:24:50.599 --> 00:24:51.160
Yes. Yes.
521
00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:51.599
Yes.
522
00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:54.099
He put it in his podcast. Yep. That's so true
523
00:24:54.140 --> 00:24:54.359
to that.
524
00:24:56.160 --> 00:25:01.170
No, I don't. I don't think it cheapens it because
525
00:25:01.289 --> 00:25:04.710
they very well could have been all friends. It does
526
00:25:04.769 --> 00:25:06.670
seem like they all kind of grew up together. Yeah.
527
00:25:09.529 --> 00:25:15.609
Their bond. But like Topanga's real quiet in the beginning.
528
00:25:15.849 --> 00:25:16.369
Like you don't.
529
00:25:16.509 --> 00:25:16.849
Yes.
530
00:25:16.869 --> 00:25:21.950
She's kind of a come and go character. Until it
531
00:25:22.549 --> 00:25:24.670
leads up to the point where he is now a
532
00:25:24.710 --> 00:25:27.410
teenage boy who's like, oh, wait, I have feelings now.
533
00:25:27.670 --> 00:25:30.190
Yeah, and she's very sassy.
534
00:25:31.490 --> 00:25:35.480
She's not even sassy. In the beginning, she's not sassy.
535
00:25:35.500 --> 00:25:41.640
She's weird. And that's how they describe her, is very weird.
536
00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:49.640
She's very eccentric. She's kind of out there. Yeah.
537
00:25:50.059 --> 00:25:52.940
Now, I want you to be honest, though. Was the deepest,
538
00:25:53.259 --> 00:25:58.079
most tested, and most emotional relationship on the show between
539
00:25:58.640 --> 00:26:02.640
Corey Topanga or Corey and Sean? I think it's Corey
540
00:26:02.660 --> 00:26:02.900
and Sean.
541
00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:03.420
Corey and Sean.
542
00:26:03.440 --> 00:26:06.799
I think it's Corey and Sean. Because they... And a
543
00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:09.420
lot of it has to do with Sean's up and downs.
544
00:26:10.210 --> 00:26:12.410
Sean has a lot of up and downs. Sean has
545
00:26:12.470 --> 00:26:19.910
a lot of... They're two... It's the classes.
546
00:26:21.930 --> 00:26:22.349
Ying and Yang?
547
00:26:22.529 --> 00:26:25.269
They're two different classes. They come from two different classes.
548
00:26:25.289 --> 00:26:25.750
Ying and Yang.
549
00:26:26.210 --> 00:26:28.369
It's not the Yin and Yang. That's not what I mean.
550
00:26:28.470 --> 00:26:31.410
Well, one is like from a very stable middle class
551
00:26:31.589 --> 00:26:33.470
family in Sokori and Sean.
552
00:26:33.490 --> 00:26:35.980
Yeah, but he like lives in the suburbs. He's got like,
553
00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:37.619
you know, the nice house. Sokori?
554
00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:39.740
Yeah. He has stability. One has stability. One does not
555
00:26:39.759 --> 00:26:40.119
have stability.
556
00:26:40.140 --> 00:26:42.880
His parents are together and all that. Whereas Sean comes
557
00:26:42.980 --> 00:26:44.259
from like a trailer park.
558
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:44.859
Right. Sean?
559
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:46.779
You know, he's meant to be.
560
00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:48.569
A wild child.
561
00:26:49.210 --> 00:26:57.869
Yes. But like... See, Corey is the one that grounds him. Correct.
562
00:26:58.220 --> 00:27:03.210
So as neurotic as Corey is, he still grounds Sean.
563
00:27:03.250 --> 00:27:03.410
Yeah.
564
00:27:05.049 --> 00:27:09.390
And Topanga grounds Corey. So, like, it's this... I don't know.
565
00:27:09.690 --> 00:27:11.369
It is kind of amazing, though. One of the things
566
00:27:11.390 --> 00:27:12.730
they could have done for the show, but they never did,
567
00:27:12.809 --> 00:27:16.059
was create a... And I'm glad they didn't do this.
568
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:16.450
You know why?
569
00:27:16.490 --> 00:27:18.339
Because it would have been typical of any shows we've
570
00:27:18.359 --> 00:27:21.380
seen in that era. A love triangle kind of thing.
571
00:27:21.880 --> 00:27:25.039
Thank God. You didn't need that. No.
572
00:27:26.900 --> 00:27:27.200
It was funny.
573
00:27:27.220 --> 00:27:28.900
That would have been cheap. That would have been cheap.
574
00:27:29.440 --> 00:27:31.660
That would have been cheap. Like the whole Dawson's Creek thing.
575
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:36.210
No, but they had a whole thing where, like, in college,
576
00:27:37.009 --> 00:27:40.690
it was supposed to be Corey and Topanga in this commercial. But, like,
577
00:27:40.809 --> 00:27:42.609
Corey was being stupid on camera.
578
00:27:42.829 --> 00:27:43.009
Yeah.
579
00:27:43.170 --> 00:27:44.710
So they ended up putting Sean in there.
580
00:27:45.490 --> 00:27:45.690
Right.
581
00:27:45.750 --> 00:27:47.990
So then he, like, assumes in his own head that
582
00:27:48.769 --> 00:27:50.569
Sean and Topanga have something going on.
583
00:27:50.609 --> 00:27:50.789
Yeah.
584
00:27:52.309 --> 00:27:54.490
It's the most ridiculous thing.
585
00:27:54.569 --> 00:27:58.789
It sounds silly. It sounds very silly. When you put
586
00:27:58.890 --> 00:28:01.339
Corey and Tabanga up against, say, a Ross and Rachel
587
00:28:01.410 --> 00:28:03.190
from Friends, or a Joey and Pam from The Office,
588
00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:08.000
or even Martin and Gina from Martin, what puts them ahead,
589
00:28:08.019 --> 00:28:11.579
or where do they fall short? Compare them to some
590
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:14.460
of the most popular couples.
591
00:28:14.500 --> 00:28:19.299
First of all, throw Ross and Rachel out the fucking window.
592
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:23.720
Thank you. God darn it. I can't stand them. First off,
593
00:28:23.740 --> 00:28:27.759
I'd rather use Chandler and Monica. Thank you. Best couple
594
00:28:27.779 --> 00:28:31.559
on that show. Thank you. I'm such an anti-Ross Rachel guy.
595
00:28:31.619 --> 00:28:32.960
It's disgusting.
596
00:28:33.980 --> 00:28:36.500
I'm also, as much as I love friends, and I
597
00:28:36.539 --> 00:28:37.660
don't hate Rachel. I love Rachel.
598
00:28:39.789 --> 00:28:43.190
So with Rachel, I can actually, I tolerate Rachel. I
599
00:28:43.230 --> 00:28:43.589
can't stand Ross.
600
00:28:43.630 --> 00:28:47.789
She has her moments. But I hate that whole back
601
00:28:47.970 --> 00:28:49.750
and forth and back and forth and back and forth.
602
00:28:50.329 --> 00:28:53.150
We were on a break. I can't understand it. I
603
00:28:53.170 --> 00:28:54.730
can't understand it. It drives me insane.
604
00:28:54.750 --> 00:28:56.650
Did you ever see Lisa Kudrow was on, I think
605
00:28:56.750 --> 00:29:00.119
it was on Jimmy Fallon about a year ago. And
606
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:02.680
they asked her about that. And she said, no, they're
607
00:29:02.700 --> 00:29:04.240
on a break. And Ross was wrong.
608
00:29:05.500 --> 00:29:06.480
Ross was wrong.
609
00:29:06.779 --> 00:29:09.799
And she said it out loud. She said, I hope
610
00:29:09.819 --> 00:29:12.380
what's his face again. David Schwartz is getting mad at me,
611
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:15.299
but I'm seeing Rachel on that one. And I'm like,
612
00:29:15.339 --> 00:29:18.049
you go girl. You go girl. That's exactly what it
613
00:29:18.069 --> 00:29:21.609
should have been. Yeah. Well, no, no, no. But he's
614
00:29:21.630 --> 00:29:24.369
just a little bitch. Anyway, what would you put, like,
615
00:29:24.650 --> 00:29:31.309
all-time greatest? First off, the standard for us, you and I,
616
00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:35.549
is Turk and Carla from Scrubs. 100%. That's our standard.
617
00:29:35.630 --> 00:29:39.769
Because to me, that's a couple similar. Not so much
618
00:29:39.789 --> 00:29:43.640
the age. group, but consistency. The reason Court's Back is
619
00:29:43.660 --> 00:29:44.960
one of the greatest clubs of all time is because
620
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.140
the age has started and the consistency of it. Same
621
00:29:48.180 --> 00:29:50.079
thing with Turk and Carla where when he was going,
622
00:29:50.099 --> 00:29:52.960
he was an intern at the hospital. They get together
623
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:56.579
and it never ends, really. They got separated for a
624
00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:01.650
couple weeks or whatever, but it never ended. In the States.
625
00:30:01.710 --> 00:30:04.670
And to this day. When are they separated? Remember when
626
00:30:04.710 --> 00:30:06.089
they had a little thing where like he.
627
00:30:06.470 --> 00:30:07.910
Oh, that's right. Yeah.
628
00:30:08.150 --> 00:30:09.980
But they never got divorced.
629
00:30:10.019 --> 00:30:12.420
No, but that was his fuck up. He's an idiot.
630
00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:14.880
He's a moron. He's a moron. But they never ended.
631
00:30:15.299 --> 00:30:15.880
You know what I'm saying?
632
00:30:15.900 --> 00:30:16.720
No, that's true.
633
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:20.420
Right. And even now the show back on a revival
634
00:30:20.420 --> 00:30:24.940
17 years later, they're still together with four kids. Okay.
635
00:30:25.099 --> 00:30:25.339
Kids.
636
00:30:25.660 --> 00:30:27.799
Some of them adults now. Yeah. And still together and
637
00:30:27.819 --> 00:30:28.940
still strong.
638
00:30:29.029 --> 00:30:29.160
Yeah.
639
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:33.900
So, to me, that's the standard, really, for shows. Jim
640
00:30:33.940 --> 00:30:38.740
and Pam, I put courts back up. If you talk
641
00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:41.549
about the whole idea of a strong couple, of strength
642
00:30:41.589 --> 00:30:45.910
and consistency, they're the ultimate one for me because they
643
00:30:45.930 --> 00:30:48.490
go back to middle school. Out of 90 sitcoms, yeah. Yeah.
644
00:30:49.390 --> 00:30:50.849
And back to middle school. They're consistent.
645
00:30:52.029 --> 00:30:52.250
Yeah.
646
00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:56.829
Their bumps are really in high school. When, quite frankly,
647
00:30:57.309 --> 00:30:59.690
that's when you should be bummed in high school. Because
648
00:30:59.710 --> 00:31:02.529
you're in high school. But once they got to college,
649
00:31:02.569 --> 00:31:05.950
they knew what they wanted. And, quite frankly, years later,
650
00:31:06.029 --> 00:31:09.599
they do Gourmet's World, and they're still together. So, to me,
651
00:31:09.819 --> 00:31:16.019
when it's about TV couples, they are probably the ultimate top.
652
00:31:16.460 --> 00:31:20.480
Because no one, I mean, nobody can reach those standards.
653
00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:23.940
Yeah, I don't think so.
654
00:31:25.609 --> 00:31:28.470
Everybody else would probably have gotten together as adults. They
655
00:31:28.490 --> 00:31:30.250
had to say, well, screw you guys.
656
00:31:30.269 --> 00:31:32.700
Well, a lot of it, though, is like, you have
657
00:31:32.740 --> 00:31:35.099
high school shows, too, so you brought up Dawson's Creek,
658
00:31:35.220 --> 00:31:37.740
and it's Joey and Pacey. Right.
659
00:31:38.099 --> 00:31:40.700
But even they weren't together in college. They waited a
660
00:31:40.720 --> 00:31:42.859
couple years and they got together. You know what I'm saying?
661
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:45.470
They got together in high school, stayed in high school,
662
00:31:45.569 --> 00:31:46.109
through college.
663
00:31:46.150 --> 00:31:48.630
Yeah, but even, like, a lot of it is, I
664
00:31:48.650 --> 00:31:53.369
think it's, it is them, Corey and Topanga, through middle school.
665
00:31:54.490 --> 00:31:57.210
You know, like, they got together at such a young
666
00:31:57.410 --> 00:32:00.700
age and they feel like or felt like they that
667
00:32:00.740 --> 00:32:01.500
was their soulmate.
668
00:32:01.539 --> 00:32:01.720
Yeah.
669
00:32:02.700 --> 00:32:03.839
And they just kept it going.
670
00:32:03.980 --> 00:32:08.519
Yeah. Yeah. So what you're saying to me is that
671
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:11.819
they basically have the title of the greatest sitcom couple ever.
672
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:16.700
Unless you think we're blinded by 90s TGIF nostalgia.
673
00:32:16.769 --> 00:32:20.210
I think I would say of the 90s. Okay.
674
00:32:21.509 --> 00:32:23.410
Who in 2000 would you counter that with then if you.
675
00:32:25.500 --> 00:32:26.460
Joan Carlin? Yes.
676
00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:26.900
Okay.
677
00:32:27.740 --> 00:32:28.059
Okay.
678
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:31.460
Okay. For the sake of our favoritism and whatnot and biasness,
679
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:36.630
I'll give you that one. Because.
680
00:32:37.329 --> 00:32:39.910
It's like you're kind of stuck on the.
681
00:32:40.589 --> 00:32:43.190
The Scrubs have the same lineages from each world, though.
682
00:32:43.230 --> 00:32:43.509
Right.
683
00:32:43.670 --> 00:32:44.410
That's what it's like.
684
00:32:44.430 --> 00:32:45.450
You're stuck on the.
685
00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:51.740
The middle school part of it. They've been together since
686
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:52.220
middle school.
687
00:32:52.299 --> 00:32:55.269
That's the anomaly, though. That's the anomaly.
688
00:32:55.410 --> 00:33:04.329
Sure. But like, I mean, that. That's what makes it
689
00:33:04.369 --> 00:33:05.529
so unrealistic.
690
00:33:06.269 --> 00:33:10.549
And because unrealistic is why the greatest team couple of time,
691
00:33:11.269 --> 00:33:15.890
not alone, getting the crown. So they win. Corey Topanga.
692
00:33:16.650 --> 00:33:20.839
Greatest team couple of all time. Straight up. So, all right.
693
00:33:20.950 --> 00:33:21.890
I would say of the 90s. Okay.
694
00:33:22.579 --> 00:33:23.390
I'll give you that one.
695
00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:23.700
It's fine.
696
00:33:25.069 --> 00:33:25.509
I'll get that one.
697
00:33:25.750 --> 00:33:26.089
That's cool.
698
00:33:26.569 --> 00:33:27.470
Because $ 2 is us.
699
00:33:28.230 --> 00:33:32.150
I just got to cover my ass because somebody comes
700
00:33:32.210 --> 00:33:34.829
back with like, oh, what about this couple?
701
00:33:34.890 --> 00:33:36.869
Does this open the door for a top 10 list
702
00:33:36.890 --> 00:33:38.269
of the greatest couples of all time in TV history?
703
00:33:38.869 --> 00:33:41.890
Regardless of sitcoms or TV. Shoot, maybe down the road
704
00:33:41.910 --> 00:33:43.339
we can do a top 10 list. Maybe we'll see.
705
00:33:43.859 --> 00:33:46.220
All right. Cool. That was good. Greatest of all time.
706
00:33:46.339 --> 00:33:47.660
Goats. Cory Topanga.