Pełna transkrypcja odcinka Thomas Markle justified sickening crimes by saying families needed money, Meghan Markle will help FBI reports say

--> 00:02:54.750 not only his physical health but also his mental health. 96 00:02:55.149 --> 00:02:58.289 So a federal judge has ordered an evaluation of him, 97 00:02:58.419 --> 00:02:58.550 uh, 98 00:02:58.600 --> 00:02:59.350 which could. 99 00:03:00.259 --> 00:03:03.210 Really complicate things if it comes back that he 100 00:03:03.210 --> 00:03:06.759 has cognitive issues like dementia or something like that, 101 00:03:06.929 --> 00:03:09.449 something like that so I'm gonna have more on that aspect of 102 00:03:09.449 --> 00:03:12.449 this with a retired judge who's gonna talk to me in this episode 103 00:03:12.660 --> 00:03:15.149 in a few minutes and break down how that could 104 00:03:15.570 --> 00:03:17.070 really delay 105 00:03:17.490 --> 00:03:19.229 the court process here. 106 00:03:19.889 --> 00:03:20.309 Also, 107 00:03:20.729 --> 00:03:22.759 this is new according to the Daily Mail, 108 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:25.750 Thomas Markel's first wife, 109 00:03:26.169 --> 00:03:26.669 um. 110 00:03:27.240 --> 00:03:28.350 That says that 111 00:03:28.600 --> 00:03:29.860 Markel told her 112 00:03:30.440 --> 00:03:34.979 that he was having sex with young girls in the Far East and that it was justified 113 00:03:35.360 --> 00:03:37.850 because the girls' families needed money. 114 00:03:38.690 --> 00:03:41.279 The first wife's name is Rosalyn Loveless, 115 00:03:41.440 --> 00:03:41.589 uh, 116 00:03:41.630 --> 00:03:43.240 and she has since passed away, 117 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:45.460 but the Daily Mail reports that he said to her, 118 00:03:46.119 --> 00:03:46.839 and this is a quote, 119 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:48.320 it is legal over there, 120 00:03:48.440 --> 00:03:50.619 that's how they support their families 121 00:03:50.839 --> 00:03:52.500 by prostituting them. 122 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:56.440 Now they were married from 1964 to 1975. 123 00:03:56.520 --> 00:03:58.440 She spoke to the Sun newspaper and 124 00:03:58.660 --> 00:04:00.509 talked about a call from her ex-husband, 125 00:04:00.559 --> 00:04:00.960 she says, 126 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:01.949 after their divorce, 127 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:03.139 where she reportedly 128 00:04:03.440 --> 00:04:05.940 asked him how young the girls were. 129 00:04:06.449 --> 00:04:06.850 Uh, 130 00:04:07.070 --> 00:04:08.410 that he was having sex with, 131 00:04:08.490 --> 00:04:10.270 and she says that he said 132 00:04:10.449 --> 00:04:11.270 11 133 00:04:11.449 --> 00:04:12.429 or 12. 134 00:04:14.570 --> 00:04:15.820 According to the Daily Mail, 135 00:04:15.940 --> 00:04:16.559 she said, 136 00:04:16.619 --> 00:04:16.980 um, 137 00:04:17.019 --> 00:04:18.040 are you aware 138 00:04:18.579 --> 00:04:20.019 those are people's daughters, 139 00:04:20.100 --> 00:04:21.298 those are children? 140 00:04:21.540 --> 00:04:23.730 So the Daily Mail is saying that's what she said to him, 141 00:04:23.779 --> 00:04:24.440 and he 142 00:04:24.779 --> 00:04:25.820 reportedly replied, 143 00:04:25.940 --> 00:04:26.239 well, 144 00:04:26.540 --> 00:04:30.320 it's legal over there and that is how they support their families 145 00:04:30.540 --> 00:04:33.160 by prostituting out their young girls. 146 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:35.220 Now keep in mind Thomas 147 00:04:35.429 --> 00:04:40.079 Markel Senior has denied all of the allegations against him several times, 148 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:42.820 but this is now a conversation that 149 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:45.399 he reportedly had with his ex-wife. 150 00:04:45.559 --> 00:04:46.959 She is now dead though, 151 00:04:47.279 --> 00:04:47.760 so 152 00:04:47.959 --> 00:04:49.559 it's hard to confirm some of these things, 153 00:04:49.640 --> 00:04:51.420 but this is reporting from the Daily Mail 154 00:04:51.959 --> 00:04:52.440 and The Sun, 155 00:04:52.510 --> 00:04:54.579 which are obviously big newspapers in the UK. 156 00:04:55.290 --> 00:04:57.290 Meanwhile we are learning how he was 157 00:04:57.290 --> 00:05:00.489 identified in photos found in his California storage 158 00:05:00.489 --> 00:05:02.769 units because remember the FBI alleges that there 159 00:05:02.769 --> 00:05:05.230 were photos of Markel found in the units 160 00:05:05.559 --> 00:05:06.769 with young girls 161 00:05:06.929 --> 00:05:08.190 from quite some time ago 162 00:05:08.410 --> 00:05:09.809 and according to the People magazine, 163 00:05:09.890 --> 00:05:11.029 Meghan Markle's mom 164 00:05:11.470 --> 00:05:14.309 Doria Ragland helped authorities 165 00:05:14.809 --> 00:05:18.410 identify Thomas Markle Senior and some of these disturbing images. 166 00:05:19.140 --> 00:05:20.859 So they are reporting that Meghan 167 00:05:20.859 --> 00:05:24.119 Markle's mom assisted federal investigators in their 168 00:05:25.100 --> 00:05:25.179 investigation, 169 00:05:25.260 --> 00:05:26.750 which is pretty significant, 170 00:05:26.859 --> 00:05:29.519 and people is also reporting that Meghan Markle 171 00:05:29.700 --> 00:05:31.880 is also prepared to assist 172 00:05:32.299 --> 00:05:33.220 the FBI. 173 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:34.130 OK, 174 00:05:34.170 --> 00:05:36.049 I go back to the federal charges here. 175 00:05:36.160 --> 00:05:40.010 They are charged from the charges they're coming from California, 176 00:05:40.329 --> 00:05:40.859 but Markel, 177 00:05:41.529 --> 00:05:41.760 uh, 178 00:05:41.929 --> 00:05:42.510 Senior, 179 00:05:42.890 --> 00:05:44.929 Thomas Markel Senior is in Florida. 180 00:05:45.130 --> 00:05:45.329 Remember, 181 00:05:45.369 --> 00:05:46.429 he's living in this, 182 00:05:46.769 --> 00:05:47.140 um, 183 00:05:47.369 --> 00:05:48.630 this senior living home in, 184 00:05:48.640 --> 00:05:49.250 in Lakeland, 185 00:05:49.329 --> 00:05:51.970 and a judge has now ordered a mental evaluation. 186 00:05:52.359 --> 00:05:53.470 How will that work? 187 00:05:53.730 --> 00:05:55.549 How could that delay things, 188 00:05:55.890 --> 00:05:56.410 um. 189 00:05:57.279 --> 00:05:57.880 Will 190

00:05:58.440 --> 00:06:01.239 he end up making it back to California because technically to 191 00:06:01.239 --> 00:06:03.720 face the charges he should end up back in California. 192 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:05.119 Before I get to more on the case, 193 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:08.619 I first want you guys to hear my conversation with retired Judge 194 00:06:08.799 --> 00:06:09.440 Tlika 195 00:06:09.559 --> 00:06:10.540 Nunez Navarro. 196 00:06:10.760 --> 00:06:10.959 Judge, 197 00:06:11.019 --> 00:06:12.600 thank you for for talking with me. 198 00:06:12.700 --> 00:06:14.929 I really appreciate you taking the time as always. 199 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:19.290 So I wanted to ask you what you think is gonna happen next with this federal case, 200 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:19.989 uh, 201 00:06:20.000 --> 00:06:20.279 because, 202 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:20.480 well, 203 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:20.829 first of all, 204 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:22.059 I was surprised. 205 00:06:22.739 --> 00:06:23.940 I get that he's 83, 206 00:06:24.059 --> 00:06:25.559 but with the seriousness of the charges, 207 00:06:25.619 --> 00:06:28.200 I guess I wasn't expecting him to just go right back 208 00:06:28.540 --> 00:06:30.279 to a senior living center and 209 00:06:30.579 --> 00:06:31.519 basically be 210 00:06:31.700 --> 00:06:32.720 let go right away. 211 00:06:33.260 --> 00:06:36.399 Well yeah as a judge you're you're thinking about 212 00:06:36.619 --> 00:06:41.000 uh the community safety of course when we look at release conditions but you're also 213 00:06:41.380 --> 00:06:43.440 considering his medical condition 214 00:06:43.640 --> 00:06:45.859 um and there was probably a plethora of issues 215 00:06:45.859 --> 00:06:48.760 of why he should probably go back to that senior 216 00:06:48.980 --> 00:06:50.540 facility uh center 217 00:06:50.700 --> 00:06:54.579 and you know you you really are considering whether or not he can flee 218 00:06:54.739 --> 00:06:54.899 right? 219 00:06:54.940 --> 00:06:57.420 and so if he's in a senior facility center 220 00:06:57.420 --> 00:06:59.820 he probably can't he's probably going to be on. 221 00:06:59.915 --> 00:07:00.654 Or watch 222 00:07:00.804 --> 00:07:02.894 they're going to have an ankle monitor, 223 00:07:03.234 --> 00:07:06.494 so all of those factors weigh into the judge's decision 224 00:07:06.635 --> 00:07:09.274 on whether or not you release them at large 225 00:07:09.274 --> 00:07:11.654 or whether or not you have house arrest and so 226 00:07:11.755 --> 00:07:14.005 I wasn't surprised to see him go back to the 227 00:07:14.114 --> 00:07:15.304 the senior facility. 228 00:07:15.475 --> 00:07:17.054 There are some reports now 229 00:07:17.434 --> 00:07:19.894 that he may not be at the same senior facility. 230 00:07:19.994 --> 00:07:20.214 Um, 231 00:07:20.315 --> 00:07:21.654 we're not really sure 232 00:07:22.704 --> 00:07:24.494 there I would imagine like residents 233 00:07:24.795 --> 00:07:26.614 probably concerned about having him. 234 00:07:27.059 --> 00:07:27.260 I mean, 235 00:07:27.299 --> 00:07:29.200 you read through the complaint with these allegations, 236 00:07:30.540 --> 00:07:31.190 come back, 237 00:07:31.339 --> 00:07:31.600 right, 238 00:07:31.700 --> 00:07:33.140 because you have vulnerable people there. 239 00:07:33.299 --> 00:07:33.839 Absolutely. 240 00:07:34.239 --> 00:07:34.250 I, 241 00:07:34.299 --> 00:07:34.470 I, 242 00:07:34.619 --> 00:07:38.040 I can only imagine what the others are saying, 243 00:07:38.679 --> 00:07:38.690 um, 244 00:07:38.730 --> 00:07:39.980 at this time about that, 245 00:07:40.059 --> 00:07:45.359 but I would imagine he's probably also confined to his room in certain hours and 246 00:07:45.679 --> 00:07:47.519 release conditions that at least 247 00:07:47.739 --> 00:07:50.059 I'm thinking as a judge I would place on him. 248 00:07:50.649 --> 00:07:53.730 Could he move to a different senior living facility or 249 00:07:53.730 --> 00:07:55.899 would that have to be be approved by the judge? 250 00:07:55.970 --> 00:07:57.549 Like do they just approve one location? 251 00:07:59.070 --> 00:08:01.709 Mos most likely the judge has to approve the 252 00:08:01.709 --> 00:08:04.149 senior facility that he's going to go into, 253 00:08:04.440 --> 00:08:04.529 um, 254 00:08:04.750 --> 00:08:07.369 and he would have to apply to a new one 255 00:08:07.549 --> 00:08:10.149 and the senior facility would then have to accept him. 256 00:08:10.279 --> 00:08:11.010 So imagine, 257 00:08:11.869 --> 00:08:14.739 would a senior facility accept him with these pending charges? 258 00:08:14.839 --> 00:08:15.869 Likelihood is slim. 259 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:16.260 Yeah. 260 00:08:16.470 --> 00:08:18.130 Especially because young 261 00:08:18.470 --> 00:08:19.510 like grandkids and stuff. 262 00:08:19.549 --> 00:08:20.859 I'm just thinking a senior facility, 263 00:08:20.910 --> 00:08:23.970 like I would visit my grandparents if there's kids around sometimes. 264 00:08:24.059 --> 00:08:24.339 Yeah, 265 00:08:24.609 --> 00:08:24.869 yeah. 266 00:08:25.260 --> 00:08:25.730 Um, 267 00:08:25.820 --> 00:08:28.250 the other thing I wanted to ask you about was 268 00:08:28.660 --> 00:08:30.970 the judge ordered an evaluation of his health, 269 00:08:31.100 --> 00:08:33.039 both physical and mental, 270 00:08:33.419 --> 00:08:33.570 uh, 271 00:08:33.659 --> 00:08:37.460 and there have been some questions about whether he may have some dementia. 272 00:08:37.580 --> 00:08:37.659 I, 273 00:08:37.739 --> 00:08:38.219 I don't know, 274 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:40.570 but there's been some reporting out there about that. 275 00:08:41.099 --> 00:08:41.479 If 276 00:08:42.219 --> 00:08:43.640 that is the case, 277 00:08:43.979 --> 00:08:45.710 how would that impact this? 278 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:49.239 So as a judge we have to make sure that 279 00:08:49.239 --> 00:08:52.700 they know and understand the charges that are being brought 280

00:08:52.840 --> 00:08:55.539 and that they can assist with their defense so 281 00:08:55.710 --> 00:08:58.859 primarily that's what the judge is looking at right now 282 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:00.500 uh defense counsel 283 00:09:00.719 --> 00:09:04.679 absolutely is going to raise dementia and 284 00:09:04.840 --> 00:09:08.700 uh incompetence right away and that's why you see the judge ordered 285 00:09:08.880 --> 00:09:12.039 um an evaluation to be conducted immediately. 286 00:09:12.659 --> 00:09:13.739 So if there is, 287 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:14.340 and we don't know, 288 00:09:14.419 --> 00:09:16.169 but if there is some dementia, 289 00:09:16.500 --> 00:09:18.080 can you still be 290 00:09:18.780 --> 00:09:19.340 tried? 291 00:09:19.750 --> 00:09:20.390 If there's, 292 00:09:20.510 --> 00:09:20.750 I mean, 293 00:09:20.830 --> 00:09:21.630 like where do you, 294 00:09:22.030 --> 00:09:23.299 where does the line get drawn? 295 00:09:23.510 --> 00:09:23.590 Yes, 296 00:09:23.710 --> 00:09:25.820 so there's varying degrees of dementia, 297 00:09:25.869 --> 00:09:26.330 of course. 298 00:09:26.429 --> 00:09:26.729 So 299 00:09:26.909 --> 00:09:30.780 the evaluator would have to tell the judge that he can 300 00:09:30.780 --> 00:09:33.929 understand and appreciate the charges that are being brought against him 301 00:09:34.109 --> 00:09:36.489 and that he can assist his counsel 302 00:09:36.599 --> 00:09:37.679 with his defense 303 00:09:37.830 --> 00:09:41.900 as long as the evaluator comes back and says yes positive to that, 304 00:09:42.270 --> 00:09:46.250 then he can go forward with the trial and the judge can go forward 305 00:09:46.429 --> 00:09:46.919 with. 306 00:09:47.380 --> 00:09:48.969 Moving this case along, 307 00:09:49.260 --> 00:09:51.190 there's other alternatives though. 308 00:09:51.260 --> 00:09:53.599 They can try to rehabilitate him 309 00:09:54.059 --> 00:09:57.340 to a point where he can understand 310 00:09:58.260 --> 00:10:00.799 the charges against him and he can 311 00:10:01.020 --> 00:10:02.859 assist and help with his defense, 312 00:10:03.299 --> 00:10:04.640 so they give time 313 00:10:04.820 --> 00:10:07.330 and resources to rehabilitate people, 314 00:10:07.580 --> 00:10:12.030 but with old age and dementia that's going to be an uphill battle here. 315 00:10:12.419 --> 00:10:12.780 What if, 316 00:10:12.859 --> 00:10:13.059 I mean, 317 00:10:13.140 --> 00:10:14.150 could his defense. 318 00:10:14.289 --> 00:10:17.630 Try to use the dementia to stop all of this or slow things down. 319 00:10:17.690 --> 00:10:17.840 Like, 320 00:10:17.849 --> 00:10:20.729 is it possible he doesn't really have that bad of dementia, 321 00:10:20.929 --> 00:10:23.669 but his defense will use that as a tactic to 322 00:10:23.890 --> 00:10:26.450 delay him being sent back to California or something like that. 323 00:10:26.530 --> 00:10:27.520 Does that ever happen? 324 00:10:27.809 --> 00:10:30.919 Absolutely they're going to use everything that they can, 325 00:10:30.929 --> 00:10:31.979 and that's their job, 326 00:10:32.010 --> 00:10:32.200 right, 327 00:10:32.210 --> 00:10:33.469 as defense counsel, 328 00:10:33.849 --> 00:10:37.840 so they are going to be honing in on the fact that he can't appreciate the charges, 329 00:10:37.929 --> 00:10:41.330 but the good news here is that an independent evaluator. 330 00:10:41.820 --> 00:10:42.419 Um, 331 00:10:42.440 --> 00:10:46.460 is going to evaluate him and give the court their recommendation, 332 00:10:46.599 --> 00:10:47.869 and this is what they do, 333 00:10:48.119 --> 00:10:48.270 uh, 334 00:10:48.359 --> 00:10:50.979 so the court relies on that information, 335 00:10:51.200 --> 00:10:51.659 um, 336 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:54.590 to make an assessment on whether or not he can be transported, 337 00:10:54.640 --> 00:10:56.280 transported back to California. 338 00:10:56.599 --> 00:10:58.340 Do you think this will happen quickly? 339 00:10:58.520 --> 00:11:00.440 Because the charges came from California. 340 00:11:00.640 --> 00:11:00.919 I mean, 341 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:01.140 how, 342 00:11:01.200 --> 00:11:02.500 how do you think this will, 343 00:11:02.760 --> 00:11:03.799 I know we don't know for sure, 344 00:11:03.880 --> 00:11:05.840 but every time I hear like mental health, 345 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:06.390 I always think, 346 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:06.880 oh my gosh, 347 00:11:06.919 --> 00:11:08.539 this is going to get like drawn out. 348 00:11:08.950 --> 00:11:11.059 I do not think this will happen quickly. 349 00:11:11.270 --> 00:11:13.950 I think this is a long and drawn out process, 350 00:11:13.989 --> 00:11:19.530 and when you add age and fragility and medical conditions and all of that 351 00:11:20.270 --> 00:11:20.909 to the docket, 352 00:11:20.989 --> 00:11:21.330 it's, 353 00:11:21.349 --> 00:11:22.969 it's probably going to be a long 354 00:11:23.630 --> 00:11:23.979 process. 355 00:11:24.150 --> 00:11:26.390 Do you think he'll end up going back to California? 356 00:11:26.969 --> 00:11:27.400 I do, 357 00:11:27.489 --> 00:11:28.609 I do think he will, 358 00:11:28.690 --> 00:11:29.080 uh, 359 00:11:29.090 --> 00:11:30.309 because this is federal, 360 00:11:30.489 --> 00:11:32.510 this isn't what we call extradition, 361 00:11:32.520 --> 00:11:33.770 this is just a transfer, 362 00:11:33.849 --> 00:11:35.789 so it's not as complicated as 363 00:11:35.929 --> 00:11:37.719 what we would think in state cases, 364 00:11:37.729 --> 00:11:37.880 what, 365 00:11:37.950 --> 00:11:38.130 what, 366 00:11:38.210 --> 00:11:39.349 what it would mean to, 367 00:11:39.549 --> 00:11:40.109 um, 368 00:11:40.849 --> 00:11:43.609 have California take over this case from Florida. 369 00:11:43.640 --> 00:11:45.669 It's not like that because it's overall 370 00:11:45.809 --> 00:11:47.760 the FBI and the federal system, 371 00:11:47.770 --> 00:11:49.150 so it's one system 372 00:11:49.289 --> 00:11:51.250 just

transferring from state to state. 373 00:11:51.719 --> 00:11:52.479 And just my last thing, 374 00:11:52.599 --> 00:11:52.799 Judge, 375 00:11:52.880 --> 00:11:55.320 you went through the charging documents. 376 00:11:55.479 --> 00:11:55.809 Um, 377 00:11:56.909 --> 00:11:58.219 anything stand out to you 378 00:11:58.679 --> 00:11:58.750 in 379 00:11:59.020 --> 00:11:59.030 particular? 380 00:11:59.080 --> 00:11:59.229 I mean, 381 00:11:59.239 --> 00:12:00.190 it's pretty disturbing, 382 00:12:00.270 --> 00:12:00.460 but 383 00:12:00.909 --> 00:12:04.239 do you think the evidence seems strong against him or what stood out to you the most? 384 00:12:04.460 --> 00:12:04.719 Uh, 385 00:12:04.880 --> 00:12:05.130 you know, 386 00:12:05.280 --> 00:12:06.260 I kept thinking, 387 00:12:06.559 --> 00:12:06.840 wow, 388 00:12:06.919 --> 00:12:08.520 this is a great defense case. 389 00:12:08.760 --> 00:12:08.960 You know, 390 00:12:09.080 --> 00:12:10.039 you have the age, 391 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:11.059 you have the 392 00:12:11.400 --> 00:12:14.570 fact that it's storage units outside of the state. 393 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:17.880 You have also the Philippines brought into this, 394 00:12:17.960 --> 00:12:19.299 so you have out of country. 395 00:12:19.875 --> 00:12:21.015 Facts as well. 396 00:12:21.356 --> 00:12:24.695 There's just an opportunity for defense to kind of 397 00:12:24.875 --> 00:12:27.565 hone in on just the missing pieces here, 398 00:12:27.856 --> 00:12:27.945 um, 399 00:12:28.036 --> 00:12:28.716 but you do have, 400 00:12:28.835 --> 00:12:29.075 I think, 401 00:12:29.116 --> 00:12:29.716 72, 402 00:12:29.755 --> 00:12:33.966 73 pieces of material that were that were found in his storage unit 403 00:12:34.116 --> 00:12:35.866 that is on auto pay, 404 00:12:36.145 --> 00:12:36.346 um, 405 00:12:36.435 --> 00:12:40.796 that is under his name that has mail and other boxes. 406 00:12:40.901 --> 00:12:41.651 With his name on it. 407 00:12:41.702 --> 00:12:41.981 So you, 408 00:12:42.262 --> 00:12:42.421 you know, 409 00:12:42.492 --> 00:12:43.742 you have to always weigh, 410 00:12:43.822 --> 00:12:46.101 but like right away I was thinking, 411 00:12:46.182 --> 00:12:47.442 what a great case for the defense. 412 00:12:47.502 --> 00:12:49.161 That they could poke holes in some things. 413 00:12:49.901 --> 00:12:51.151 And the fact that this stuff is, 414 00:12:51.182 --> 00:12:52.262 is old material. 415 00:12:52.302 --> 00:12:53.541 I mean this isn't like 416 00:12:53.702 --> 00:12:54.942 stuff you hear about now on the internet. 417 00:12:55.021 --> 00:12:58.372 This is all old like books and digital prints and that sort of thing. 418 00:12:58.661 --> 00:12:58.812 It, 419 00:12:58.822 --> 00:13:01.921 it made me wonder like who may have known about this. 420 00:13:02.349 --> 00:13:04.669 It seems like this stuff has been around in 421 00:13:04.669 --> 00:13:06.950 multiple parts of the world for quite some time. 422 00:13:07.229 --> 00:13:07.929 Absolutely, 423 00:13:07.950 --> 00:13:10.659 it was incredibly disturbing reading about it, 424 00:13:10.849 --> 00:13:10.859 um, 425 00:13:11.349 --> 00:13:12.030 but you know, 426 00:13:12.450 --> 00:13:16.559 the allegations are the fact that he's in these photos with the children, 427 00:13:16.630 --> 00:13:18.330 which makes it a strong case 428 00:13:18.510 --> 00:13:19.309 for the FBI. 429 00:13:19.390 --> 00:13:21.619 So it will be interesting to see how this plays out. 430 00:13:21.909 --> 00:13:23.289 Anything else you think is important? 431 00:13:25.020 --> 00:13:25.559 I just, 432 00:13:25.640 --> 00:13:31.229 I will be interested to see how the competency plays out and whether or not, 433 00:13:31.479 --> 00:13:31.710 uh, 434 00:13:31.719 --> 00:13:33.239 they're going to find his dementia, 435 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:33.510 you know, 436 00:13:33.599 --> 00:13:34.669 I don't know what is real, 437 00:13:34.760 --> 00:13:34.909 right? 438 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:36.919 You don't know what you're reading in the media, 439 00:13:37.190 --> 00:13:38.200 whether or not it's true, 440 00:13:38.280 --> 00:13:39.099 but you see 441 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:41.719 kind of this play from the son, 442 00:13:42.039 --> 00:13:42.400 right? 443 00:13:42.479 --> 00:13:42.729 Um, 444 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:44.789 who's turned in his father, 445 00:13:44.799 --> 00:13:45.619 so that's always. 446 00:13:45.955 --> 00:13:46.734 Interesting, 447 00:13:46.955 --> 00:13:47.184 um, 448 00:13:47.304 --> 00:13:48.554 when something like that happens. 449 00:13:48.635 --> 00:13:49.875 What are the motivations? 450 00:13:49.945 --> 00:13:51.195 That's something that I would want to know. 451 00:13:51.244 --> 00:13:53.075 And then you have Meghan Markle being his daughter, 452 00:13:53.195 --> 00:13:55.054 which puts the spotlight on it 453 00:13:55.354 --> 00:13:56.005 around the world, 454 00:13:56.155 --> 00:13:56.544 right? 455 00:13:56.715 --> 00:13:57.395 Absolutely. 456 00:13:57.554 --> 00:13:58.315 Very interesting. 457 00:13:58.554 --> 00:13:58.635 Well, 458 00:13:58.715 --> 00:13:59.315 thank you as always. 459 00:13:59.645 --> 00:14:00.215 Appreciate you, 460 00:14:00.335 --> 00:14:00.395 Judge. 461 00:14:00.525 --> 00:14:01.195 Great to see you. 462 00:14:01.635 --> 00:14:01.784 Really, 463 00:14:01.835 --> 00:14:03.455 really appreciate Judge Navarro for, 464 00:14:03.465 --> 00:14:04.635 for taking the time to talk with me. 465 00:14:04.755 --> 00:14:06.744 She's always super helpful with these kinds of, 466 00:14:06.755 --> 00:14:07.234 um. 467 00:14:07.880 --> 00:14:10.940 Cases because she was just recently a judge in Florida so she can really help 468 00:14:11.349 --> 00:14:13.239 understand some of what's going on behind the scenes. 469 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:13.760 Uh, 470 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:18.520 there are bigger questions here though about who knew what when when it comes to 471 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:20.320 Thomas Mark

Markle Senior. 472 00:14:20.359 --> 00:14:22.900 I want you guys to hear my conversation with royal reporter, 473 00:14:23.039 --> 00:14:23.270 uh, 474 00:14:23.280 --> 00:14:24.260 Kinsey Schofield. 475 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:24.840 Kinsey, 476 00:14:24.869 --> 00:14:25.030 it's, 477 00:14:25.080 --> 00:14:26.179 it's nice to see you again. 478 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:27.690 Thank you very much for, 479 00:14:27.750 --> 00:14:28.679 for joining me. 480 00:14:29.150 --> 00:14:29.390 Uh, 481 00:14:29.469 --> 00:14:33.090 so a couple of new developments that I've been covering with Thomas Markle. 482 00:14:33.190 --> 00:14:33.530 Um, 483 00:14:33.710 --> 00:14:34.780 what I wanted to ask you is, 484 00:14:34.830 --> 00:14:36.650 do we know much about his 485 00:14:37.260 --> 00:14:39.510 mental condition right now in terms of, 486 00:14:39.630 --> 00:14:39.809 I mean, 487 00:14:39.869 --> 00:14:40.859 I know he's in his 80s, 488 00:14:40.900 --> 00:14:42.419 he's obviously missing a leg, 489 00:14:42.909 --> 00:14:45.469 but in terms of whether he has any dementia, 490 00:14:45.869 --> 00:14:49.369 just because based on everything I know about the federal courts, 491 00:14:49.429 --> 00:14:51.369 that could be a massive part of this, 492 00:14:51.429 --> 00:14:51.989 because if they, 493 00:14:52.070 --> 00:14:55.109 if they can prove that he has dementia 494 00:14:55.349 --> 00:14:55.650 and, 495 00:14:55.710 --> 00:14:57.809 and doesn't fully know what's going on. 496 00:14:58.229 --> 00:15:01.719 It seems to me that could stop this whole process for a while. 497 00:15:01.989 --> 00:15:02.119 Do, 498 00:15:02.239 --> 00:15:04.270 do you know anything about whether he's with it? 499 00:15:05.169 --> 00:15:05.369 Well, 500 00:15:05.450 --> 00:15:05.770 I mean, 501 00:15:05.809 --> 00:15:10.210 it's come up much more often in the last few weeks than ever before. 502 00:15:10.289 --> 00:15:10.549 Um, 503 00:15:10.570 --> 00:15:14.520 throughout the process of his leg being amputated in the Philippines, 504 00:15:14.690 --> 00:15:15.549 we weren't 505 00:15:15.909 --> 00:15:16.570 concerned about, 506 00:15:16.729 --> 00:15:17.010 you know, 507 00:15:17.210 --> 00:15:17.549 uh, 508 00:15:17.559 --> 00:15:17.719 uh, 509 00:15:17.729 --> 00:15:18.929 the idea of dementia. 510 00:15:19.010 --> 00:15:21.609 It was more concerned about the loss of his leg. 511 00:15:22.150 --> 00:15:22.909 And it, 512 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:27.020 I believe the first time I hear the word dementia is 513 00:15:27.280 --> 00:15:31.520 when he's defending himself against the sun allegations, 514 00:15:31.760 --> 00:15:31.950 um, 515 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:33.760 and I mean the publication The Sun, 516 00:15:33.919 --> 00:15:34.109 uh, 517 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:35.380 when Junior, 518 00:15:35.479 --> 00:15:35.750 uh, 519 00:15:35.760 --> 00:15:36.960 collaborates with them. 520 00:15:37.309 --> 00:15:38.469 And it, 521 00:15:38.479 --> 00:15:39.890 it sends the, 522 00:15:39.909 --> 00:15:42.669 what we believe is potential evidence to the authorities, 523 00:15:42.780 --> 00:15:43.929 the Philippines authorities, 524 00:15:44.309 --> 00:15:45.989 and I think it's Samantha 525 00:15:46.349 --> 00:15:46.780 Markle 526 00:15:47.390 --> 00:15:48.090 that says 527 00:15:48.229 --> 00:15:49.349 to reporters, 528 00:15:49.429 --> 00:15:49.710 you know, 529 00:15:49.909 --> 00:15:50.020 my, 530 00:15:50.190 --> 00:15:51.700 my dad's dealing with dementia, 531 00:15:51.760 --> 00:15:53.109 but you're absolutely right. 532 00:15:53.349 --> 00:15:53.619 Now, 533 00:15:53.789 --> 00:15:54.070 I, 534 00:15:54.150 --> 00:15:56.369 I've done a little investigating about this, 535 00:15:56.590 --> 00:15:57.090 um, 536 00:15:57.469 --> 00:15:58.809 under federal law. 537 00:15:59.039 --> 00:16:01.400 A dementia diagnosis is not automatically 538 00:16:01.400 --> 00:16:04.299 disqualify someone from standing trial, 539 00:16:04.679 --> 00:16:08.979 but the court must determine whether the defendant understands the charges 540 00:16:09.880 --> 00:16:10.380 and 541 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:13.599 appreciates the consequences of the proceedings and 542 00:16:13.599 --> 00:16:15.799 can meaningfully participate in his own defense. 543 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:16.780 And so the judge 544 00:16:17.080 --> 00:16:20.659 reads off in the courtroom last week to senior. 545 00:16:21.270 --> 00:16:23.229 I'm not gonna say word for word cause it's, 546 00:16:23.429 --> 00:16:23.830 you know, 547 00:16:24.239 --> 00:16:25.700 the evidence is pretty vile. 548 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:28.539 Do you understand that we found these two pictures, 549 00:16:28.549 --> 00:16:29.479 and this is what's in the, 550 00:16:29.630 --> 00:16:30.780 and this is what we believe 551 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:32.299 are in the photographs, 552 00:16:32.320 --> 00:16:34.109 and that's what you're being charged for, 553 00:16:34.359 --> 00:16:35.869 and they say that he kind of 554 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:38.590 like clinches up and then says yes, 555 00:16:38.640 --> 00:16:38.909 in a, 556 00:16:38.919 --> 00:16:39.940 in a scruffy, 557 00:16:40.039 --> 00:16:40.429 um, 558 00:16:40.440 --> 00:16:41.859 almost weak voice. 559 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:42.450 So, 560 00:16:42.679 --> 00:16:42.880 the, 561 00:16:42.919 --> 00:16:44.280 the judge also asks him, 562 00:16:44.349 --> 00:16:45.880 do you know where your passport is? 563 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:46.799 And he says, 564 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:47.000 no, 565 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:49.030 he doesn't know it is where his passport is, 566 00:16:49.390 --> 00:16:50.419 and the judge. 567 00:16:50.909 --> 00:16:51.940 I think, 568 00:16:52.590 --> 00:16:53.250 believes. 569 00:16:54.690 --> 00:16:58.059 Senior and believes senior's representatives 570 00:16:58.450 --> 00:16:58.909 because 571 00:16:59.010 --> 00:16:59.840 surprisingly, 572 00:16:59.849 --> 00:17:00.989 in my opinion, 573 00:17:01.539 --> 00:17:01.909

without 574 00:17:02.049 --> 00:17:02.289 the, 575 00:17:02.530 --> 00:17:04.530 without knowing where his passport is, 576 00:17:04.770 --> 00:17:05.589 he's granted 577 00:17:06.530 --> 00:17:08.030 the opportunity to go home 578 00:17:08.219 --> 00:17:09.089 with a monitor, 579 00:17:09.250 --> 00:17:12.439 with an ankle monitor and some under some very strict circumstances, 580 00:17:12.500 --> 00:17:13.368 no internet, 581 00:17:13.670 --> 00:17:14.069 um, 582 00:17:14.290 --> 00:17:15.608 no access to minors. 583 00:17:15.689 --> 00:17:17.348 He's not allowed to intimidate 584 00:17:17.569 --> 00:17:20.430 or really approach any potential witnesses. 585 00:17:20.810 --> 00:17:21.239 Um. 586 00:17:21.890 --> 00:17:23.550 And I think it's because the judge 587 00:17:23.729 --> 00:17:25.680 was concerned about his mental state. 588 00:17:25.810 --> 00:17:26.010 Uh, 589 00:17:26.130 --> 00:17:26.449 she's, 590 00:17:26.608 --> 00:17:28.530 she orders an evaluation, 591 00:17:28.849 --> 00:17:31.719 and it's my understanding through that evaluation, 592 00:17:32.050 --> 00:17:35.410 they're going to determine if he's capable of defending himself, 593 00:17:35.489 --> 00:17:38.329 if he's going to be capable of working with his, 594 00:17:38.489 --> 00:17:39.170 with the defense, 595 00:17:39.250 --> 00:17:41.069 does he understand the charges? 596 00:17:41.489 --> 00:17:42.050 And then you, 597 00:17:42.209 --> 00:17:43.290 you ask yourself, 598 00:17:43.729 --> 00:17:44.910 so you were capable 599 00:17:45.329 --> 00:17:49.329 two weeks ago of giving a 2 hour interview to the Daily Mail. 600 00:17:50.530 --> 00:17:53.109 But now you're trying to argue that you have, 601 00:17:53.400 --> 00:17:53.839 and I'm not, 602 00:17:53.920 --> 00:17:56.550 I don't know what the circums I don't know what the truth is, 603 00:17:56.869 --> 00:18:00.540 but what we have documented is that Thomas Markle Senior was capable 604 00:18:00.910 --> 00:18:06.459 of giving a 2 hour interview in defense of himself to the Daily Mail two weeks ago, 605 00:18:06.839 --> 00:18:07.619 but now 606 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:09.339 they might say he, 607 00:18:09.479 --> 00:18:10.760 he's so sick 608 00:18:11.040 --> 00:18:13.140 that he's incapable of going to trial, 609 00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:13.439 you know, 610 00:18:13.560 --> 00:18:13.609 there, 611 00:18:13.619 --> 00:18:13.680 the, 612 00:18:13.959 --> 00:18:15.619 the truth might be somewhere in the middle, 613 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:17.479 but it does strike me as odd. 614 00:18:17.849 --> 00:18:18.270 That 615 00:18:18.489 --> 00:18:22.920 he can remember specific things like I did not have access to that hardware, 616 00:18:22.930 --> 00:18:25.050 that I did not have access to those computers 617 00:18:25.050 --> 00:18:27.349 or those hard drives for the last two years, 618 00:18:27.849 --> 00:18:28.359 um, 619 00:18:28.770 --> 00:18:29.579 but he might 620 00:18:29.770 --> 00:18:30.189 not 621 00:18:30.410 --> 00:18:33.430 be able to function enough to stand trial. 622 00:18:34.270 --> 00:18:34.390 Yeah, 623 00:18:34.439 --> 00:18:37.109 and just in my experience from covering courts, 624 00:18:37.280 --> 00:18:39.979 once you get these kinds of evaluations 625 00:18:40.520 --> 00:18:41.000 involved, 626 00:18:41.040 --> 00:18:43.380 it can really slow things down because 627 00:18:43.560 --> 00:18:44.819 you might have 628 00:18:45.670 --> 00:18:46.160 questions then about, 629 00:18:46.239 --> 00:18:46.369 oh, 630 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:46.520 well, 631 00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:47.640 was the expert good enough? 632 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:48.880 We need to get a different expert. 633 00:18:48.959 --> 00:18:49.839 What does it really mean? 634 00:18:49.949 --> 00:18:50.079 Oh, 635 00:18:50.130 --> 00:18:52.599 now our side wants an expert even though the prosecution. 636 00:18:52.734 --> 00:18:54.614 Had an expert saying that he's with it enough to, 637 00:18:54.775 --> 00:18:55.255 you know what I mean? 638 00:18:55.375 --> 00:18:56.045 So like, 639 00:18:56.694 --> 00:18:57.895 depending on how this goes, 640 00:18:57.935 --> 00:19:00.194 I mean this could really put a wrench in 641 00:19:00.724 --> 00:19:03.444 keeping this thing moving forward and even him going back to, 642 00:19:03.655 --> 00:19:04.824 to California 643 00:19:05.015 --> 00:19:05.814 anytime soon. 644 00:19:05.935 --> 00:19:06.135 So I, 645 00:19:06.214 --> 00:19:06.844 I guess we'll, 646 00:19:07.015 --> 00:19:07.675 we'll see. 647 00:19:07.895 --> 00:19:09.714 And I think that there is a concern, 648 00:19:09.895 --> 00:19:10.214 you know, 649 00:19:10.454 --> 00:19:11.074 the the 650 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:15.380 Could this be a scenario where there are no consequences? 651 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:16.170 I don't know. 652 00:19:16.239 --> 00:19:16.439 I mean, 653 00:19:16.760 --> 00:19:16.920 you know, 654 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:19.239 it's my understanding that if he's found incompetent, 655 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:21.760 federal law generally requires that he 656 00:19:21.760 --> 00:19:24.420 be hospitalized for treatment and evaluation 657 00:19:24.760 --> 00:19:25.660 to determine whether he, 658 00:19:25.800 --> 00:19:25.959 he, 659 00:19:26.530 --> 00:19:28.979 his competency can be restored. 660 00:19:29.349 --> 00:19:29.660 Um, 661 00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:30.530 and so, 662 00:19:31.319 --> 00:19:32.140 to your point, 663 00:19:32.510 --> 00:19:35.219 We're not looking at something that's gonna happen anytime soon. 664 00:19:35.430 --> 00:19:36.390 This is the, 665 00:19:36.469 --> 00:19:36.670 I mean, 666 00:19:36.750 --> 00:19:37.569 I think that there, 667 00:19:37.790 --> 00:19:38.020 uh, 668 00:19:38.030 --> 00:19:38.670 at some point, 669 00:19:38.709 --> 00:19:39.969 it could potentially be like a, 670 00:19:39.989 --> 00:19:41.900 a 4-month process that he has to, 671 00:19:42.060 --> 00:19:42.849 4 months, 672 00:19:42.869 --> 00:19:43.329 um, 673 00:19:43.390 -->

00:19:46.650 that he has to spend being monitored by doctors. 674 00:19:46.949 --> 00:19:47.300 Um, 675 00:19:47.390 --> 00:19:47.810 so, 676 00:19:48.170 --> 00:19:48.810 that's 677 00:19:48.979 --> 00:19:49.489 a lot 678 00:19:49.709 --> 00:19:49.979 to, 679 00:19:50.099 --> 00:19:51.829 to comprehend that, 680 00:19:52.390 --> 00:19:52.729 that, 681 00:19:52.810 --> 00:19:55.270 that might happen before we could even go to trial. 682 00:19:56.160 --> 00:19:56.319 Yeah, 683 00:19:56.479 --> 00:19:56.550 and, 684 00:19:56.640 --> 00:20:00.479 and with the seriousness of the charges and thinking about like these victims, 685 00:20:00.800 --> 00:20:03.119 it's awful to think about that it could be delayed. 686 00:20:03.199 --> 00:20:03.540 Um, 687 00:20:04.280 --> 00:20:04.599 who, 688 00:20:04.760 --> 00:20:06.119 so Samantha Markle, 689 00:20:06.199 --> 00:20:06.719 and again, 690 00:20:06.880 --> 00:20:07.900 apologies, 691 00:20:08.239 --> 00:20:09.040 I'm a crime reporter, 692 00:20:09.079 --> 00:20:09.800 but I haven't covered, 693 00:20:09.839 --> 00:20:10.709 I know the basics, 694 00:20:10.760 --> 00:20:13.459 but I haven't covered like the royal stuff 695 00:20:13.589 --> 00:20:14.589 uh closely. 696 00:20:14.920 --> 00:20:16.790 Samantha Markle is, 697 00:20:17.079 --> 00:20:19.060 is that Meghan Markle's half sister? 698 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:19.520 Yeah, 699 00:20:19.619 --> 00:20:21.479 so there's a couple of different characters we're gonna talk. 700 00:20:21.630 --> 00:20:22.770 Talk about likely today. 701 00:20:23.189 --> 00:20:24.550 There's Rosalyn Loveless. 702 00:20:24.709 --> 00:20:29.050 Rosalyn Loveless is Thomas Markle Senior's first wife. 703 00:20:29.310 --> 00:20:31.560 She is the mother to Thomas Markle Jr. 704 00:20:31.670 --> 00:20:33.170 and Samantha Markle. 705 00:20:33.550 --> 00:20:36.349 Samantha Markle is the half-sister of Meghan Markle. 706 00:20:36.510 --> 00:20:37.290 Thomas Jr. 707 00:20:37.310 --> 00:20:39.020 is the half-sister of Meghan Markle. 708 00:20:39.380 --> 00:20:41.930 Doria Ragland is Meghan Markle's mother. 709 00:20:42.380 --> 00:20:44.670 She divorced Thomas Markle Sr. 710 00:20:44.709 --> 00:20:45.130 in 711 00:20:45.270 --> 00:20:47.050 1987. 712 00:20:47.410 --> 00:20:48.030 And she, 713 00:20:48.250 --> 00:20:51.349 I believe I was talking to you when I was talking about this mystery, 714 00:20:51.810 --> 00:20:51.959 uh, 715 00:20:52.010 --> 00:20:55.109 this anonymous source that was stepping in and helping the, 716 00:20:55.130 --> 00:20:56.589 the FBI identify 717 00:20:57.250 --> 00:20:58.250 Senior in the photos. 718 00:20:58.329 --> 00:20:58.380 Well, 719 00:20:58.449 --> 00:21:03.050 we it was recently revealed in the last 24 hours that that is Megan's mother, 720 00:21:03.410 --> 00:21:04.369 Doria Ragland. 721 00:21:04.410 --> 00:21:04.949 And so 722 00:21:05.209 --> 00:21:07.290 those are all the characters that we're really working with. 723 00:21:07.449 --> 00:21:11.130 Samantha is the daughter to Thomas Markle Senior and Rosalyn Loveless. 724 00:21:11.239 --> 00:21:13.469 Rosalyn writes the initial letter and 725 00:21:13.859 --> 00:21:13.979 Uh, 726 00:21:13.989 --> 00:21:15.099 2018, 727 00:21:15.109 --> 00:21:18.189 that gets uh to Meghan Markle in 2019. 728 00:21:19.060 --> 00:21:21.250 So Thomas Markle Junior, 729 00:21:21.339 --> 00:21:21.819 the son, 730 00:21:21.900 --> 00:21:26.219 is the one who's turned on his dad and went to the FBI after he found that box. 731 00:21:26.699 --> 00:21:28.939 What about his sister Samantha, 732 00:21:29.099 --> 00:21:32.400 because there's these photos now of the sister's boyfriend 733 00:21:33.459 --> 00:21:35.910 outside the senior care facility helping move something. 734 00:21:36.020 --> 00:21:36.300 So is, 735 00:21:36.329 --> 00:21:37.880 is Samantha still 736 00:21:38.060 --> 00:21:39.479 standing by her dad? 737 00:21:39.859 --> 00:21:40.199 Yes, 738 00:21:40.380 --> 00:21:41.819 Samantha recently, 739 00:21:41.829 --> 00:21:43.339 actually before the arrest, 740 00:21:43.569 --> 00:21:45.260 seen going in and out of the care home, 741 00:21:45.380 --> 00:21:47.099 bringing her dad a soda pop, 742 00:21:47.209 --> 00:21:48.640 bringing her dad Chick fil A. 743 00:21:49.410 --> 00:21:50.959 fiercely defensive, 744 00:21:51.089 --> 00:21:51.369 um, 745 00:21:51.489 --> 00:21:51.689 you know, 746 00:21:51.810 --> 00:21:54.310 has come out swinging against her brother, 747 00:21:54.609 --> 00:21:57.459 has come out swinging against the investigation, 748 00:21:57.609 --> 00:21:59.089 saying that this is a setup, 749 00:21:59.400 --> 00:21:59.689 um, 750 00:21:59.849 --> 00:22:00.410 and 751 00:22:00.709 --> 00:22:03.109 she really is standing by her father. 752 00:22:03.569 --> 00:22:07.550 You might have heard about her previously when it comes to 753 00:22:08.119 --> 00:22:10.650 anything true crime or law related because 754 00:22:10.650 --> 00:22:13.469 Samantha actually tried to sue her sister. 755 00:22:14.229 --> 00:22:16.489 Defamation a few years ago, 756 00:22:16.709 --> 00:22:19.310 when Megan told Omid Scobie, 757 00:22:19.550 --> 00:22:19.800 uh, 758 00:22:19.810 --> 00:22:21.349 the author of Finding Freedom, 759 00:22:21.430 --> 00:22:23.390 some information about Samantha, 760 00:22:23.670 --> 00:22:25.750 that Samantha felt jeopardized her, 761 00:22:25.979 --> 00:22:27.189 her livelihood and, 762 00:22:27.260 --> 00:22:28.599 and her credibility. 763 00:22:28.949 --> 00:22:31.180 So she tried to sue Meghan Markle for, 764 00:22:31.469 --> 00:22:31.900 for that, 765 00:22:31.910 --> 00:22:33.869 and uh that really never went anywhere, 766 00:22:33.949 --> 00:22:34.349 but that's, 767 00:22:34.469 --> 00:22:36.410 that may be where you saw her name, 768 00:22:36.550 --> 00:22:36.890 um, 769 00:22:36.949 --> 00:22:37.550 popping up in, 770 00:22:37.589 --> 00:22:39.180 in your true crime world. 771 00:22:39.630 --> 00:22:41.369 So does Samantha live

in Florida, 772 00:22:41.439 --> 00:22:41.969 do you know? 773 00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:44.280 Samantha does live in Florida, 774 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:44.890 and 775 00:22:45.170 --> 00:22:45.489 I don't, 776 00:22:45.569 --> 00:22:45.810 I mean, 777 00:22:45.890 --> 00:22:47.829 I'm assuming that 778 00:22:48.290 --> 00:22:49.910 when they decided 779 00:22:50.050 --> 00:22:54.770 that Senior needed rehabilitation to work with this new prosthetic leg. 780 00:22:55.140 --> 00:22:57.770 That perhaps they would do this in Florida, 781 00:22:58.020 --> 00:23:02.400 so it could go from junior taking care of senior in the Philippines 782 00:23:02.780 --> 00:23:06.859 to passing it on to passing that responsibility on to Samantha. 783 00:23:07.219 --> 00:23:07.619 I'm sorry, 784 00:23:07.699 --> 00:23:09.699 I don't remember exactly what Samantha has, 785 00:23:09.810 --> 00:23:10.119 but, 786 00:23:10.339 --> 00:23:10.459 you know, 787 00:23:10.619 --> 00:23:11.979 Samantha is in a wheelchair, 788 00:23:12.010 --> 00:23:14.680 and it's my understanding that she has struggled, 789 00:23:14.949 --> 00:23:15.180 um, 790 00:23:15.339 --> 00:23:15.540 you know, 791 00:23:15.660 --> 00:23:16.900 she's got her own things that she, 792 00:23:17.020 --> 00:23:17.339 so I, 793 00:23:17.420 --> 00:23:17.660 I, 794 00:23:17.739 --> 00:23:19.920 I admired the fact that she was taking on. 795 00:23:20.339 --> 00:23:20.670 Um, 796 00:23:20.709 --> 00:23:21.780 the responsibility of, 797 00:23:21.829 --> 00:23:22.369 of helping, 798 00:23:22.910 --> 00:23:23.060 uh, 799 00:23:23.069 --> 00:23:26.369 their father out because they knew she had her own physical ailments, 800 00:23:26.630 --> 00:23:27.050 um, 801 00:23:27.270 --> 00:23:27.689 but 802 00:23:28.270 --> 00:23:28.709 she, 803 00:23:28.869 --> 00:23:29.810 it very much is, 804 00:23:29.869 --> 00:23:30.770 even after 805 00:23:31.380 --> 00:23:31.900 the new, 806 00:23:31.930 --> 00:23:32.150 uh, 807 00:23:32.310 --> 00:23:32.469 the, 808 00:23:32.550 --> 00:23:33.910 the Mexico bust 809 00:23:34.189 --> 00:23:35.770 with the storage units in Mexico 810 00:23:36.229 --> 00:23:37.589 and the California busts, 811 00:23:37.739 --> 00:23:40.689 we are still seeing Samantha and her boyfriend 812 00:23:41.229 --> 00:23:43.969 very much siding and supporting, 813 00:23:44.069 --> 00:23:44.500 um, 814 00:23:44.510 --> 00:23:45.030 her father, 815 00:23:45.130 --> 00:23:45.550 Senior. 816 00:23:46.560 --> 00:23:50.359 So were Samantha and Thomas Markle Junior close before this? 817 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:51.089 Um, 818 00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:51.790 I mean, 819 00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:57.020 it's interesting because I think they became close in their 820 00:23:57.560 --> 00:23:59.880 media mudslinging of Megan. 821 00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:02.839 I don't necessarily think that they, 822 00:24:02.959 --> 00:24:06.020 you would have considered them close before that, 823 00:24:06.239 --> 00:24:06.400 you know, 824 00:24:06.680 --> 00:24:08.819 before Megan gets married to Harry, 825 00:24:09.359 --> 00:24:13.339 Thomas Markle Junior is arrested for putting a gun to his girlfriend's head, 826 00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:14.079 um. 827 00:24:14.469 --> 00:24:15.790 And Samantha 828 00:24:16.390 --> 00:24:19.390 was in all what was in the papers cause she was writing a book, 829 00:24:19.469 --> 00:24:20.569 I think it was called like. 830 00:24:21.430 --> 00:24:23.079 Princess Pushy's sister, 831 00:24:23.199 --> 00:24:25.680 the diary of Princess Pushy's sister or something. 832 00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:27.969 So it's actually 833 00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:30.260 in being critical of Megan 834 00:24:30.760 --> 00:24:33.739 that they become closer later in life 835 00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:34.739 and 836 00:24:36.060 --> 00:24:38.219 This is the first time I've really seen him kind of break 837 00:24:38.219 --> 00:24:42.079 away from each other due to the allegations against their father. 838 00:24:42.959 --> 00:24:44.359 And when was the last, 839 00:24:44.479 --> 00:24:46.439 was Megan ever close with either of them? 840 00:24:47.369 --> 00:24:48.359 Megan says no, 841 00:24:48.410 --> 00:24:48.989 I mean they're 842 00:24:49.170 --> 00:24:50.599 dramatically older than Meg. 843 00:24:50.729 --> 00:24:51.589 They were like 15, 844 00:24:51.849 --> 00:24:52.119 and, 845 00:24:52.130 --> 00:24:52.290 you know, 846 00:24:52.329 --> 00:24:53.310 they're teenagers, 847 00:24:53.390 --> 00:24:55.089 not wanting anything to do with their family, 848 00:24:55.329 --> 00:24:57.640 keeping the roads hot when Meghan Markle was born. 849 00:24:57.969 --> 00:24:58.300 They say, 850 00:24:58.369 --> 00:24:58.530 oh, 851 00:24:58.569 --> 00:24:59.729 we used to babysit her, 852 00:24:59.839 --> 00:25:01.000 of course we were close, 853 00:25:01.130 --> 00:25:03.449 but Megan has always said I was an only child. 854 00:25:03.569 --> 00:25:03.890 I didn't, 855 00:25:03.930 --> 00:25:04.130 you know, 856 00:25:04.290 --> 00:25:04.650 like I, 857 00:25:04.770 --> 00:25:05.310 she never 858 00:25:05.650 --> 00:25:06.030 felt 859 00:25:06.130 --> 00:25:06.449 close, 860 00:25:06.569 --> 00:25:07.630 very close to them, 861 00:25:07.689 --> 00:25:08.160 and, 862 00:25:08.170 --> 00:25:08.640 um, 863 00:25:08.770 --> 00:25:11.540 and that was again one of the reasons that Samantha. 864 00:25:12.199 --> 00:25:13.719 sued her because Samantha said, 865 00:25:14.030 --> 00:25:14.239 well, 866 00:25:14.369 --> 00:25:14.750 I, 867 00:25:14.930 --> 00:25:16.050 I felt close to you, 868 00:25:16.170 --> 00:25:16.390 that's, 869 00:25:16.489 --> 00:25:16.689 you know, 870 00:25:16.810 --> 00:25:18.910 she did not like Megan's version of events. 871 00:25:19.420 --> 00:25:19.530 Hm, 872 00:25:20.250 --> 00:25:20.369 interesting, 873 00:25:20.410 --> 00:25:20.599 and, 874 00:25:20.650 --> 00:25:22.719 and you mentioned this sort of briefly, 875 00:25:22.810 --> 00:25:23.109 but 876 00:25:23.290 -->

00:25:26.390 the reporting now is that it was Megan's mom 877 00:25:26.810 --> 00:25:30.369 who identified Thomas Markle Senior 878 00:25:30.810 --> 00:25:32.650 in the photos from the storage unit, 879 00:25:32.729 --> 00:25:33.880 the photos that are described, 880 00:25:33.930 --> 00:25:35.170 which we won't go into great detail, 881 00:25:35.250 --> 00:25:35.660 but in, 882 00:25:35.689 --> 00:25:40.069 in the indictment described as him with a with girls essentially. 883 00:25:40.589 --> 00:25:42.130 So I guess they went to 884 00:25:42.369 --> 00:25:44.410 Megan's mom because 885 00:25:44.609 --> 00:25:47.589 that would that have been around the time that she was married to him? 886 00:25:47.949 --> 00:25:48.060 Like, 887 00:25:48.069 --> 00:25:48.900 frighteningly, 888 00:25:49.229 --> 00:25:49.739 yes. 889 00:25:49.829 --> 00:25:50.069 I mean, 890 00:25:50.229 --> 00:25:50.670 first of all, 891 00:25:50.790 --> 00:25:51.989 I want to be clear that I, 892 00:25:52.069 --> 00:25:53.900 it's my understanding that Doria said, 893 00:25:53.910 --> 00:25:55.180 let me help you. 894 00:25:55.589 --> 00:25:56.579 So I think that, 895 00:25:56.750 --> 00:25:56.949 you know, 896 00:25:57.030 --> 00:25:59.430 that that's interesting to me that Doria says I'll, 897 00:25:59.510 --> 00:25:59.709 I'm, 898 00:25:59.750 --> 00:26:00.839 I'm willing to help in any way, 899 00:26:00.949 --> 00:26:01.609 shape or form. 900 00:26:03.380 --> 00:26:03.640 Now, 901 00:26:03.660 --> 00:26:04.829 the Sun says, 902 00:26:05.140 --> 00:26:06.300 the Sun Publication. 903 00:26:06.949 --> 00:26:07.540 Says that 904 00:26:07.869 --> 00:26:09.349 back in 2018, 905 00:26:09.589 --> 00:26:14.380 Rosalyn Loveless contacted them and tried to give them this whole story, 906 00:26:14.579 --> 00:26:15.650 but it was so 907 00:26:15.790 --> 00:26:17.189 salacious that they, 908 00:26:17.270 --> 00:26:19.030 their lawyers wouldn't allow them to go with it, 909 00:26:19.109 --> 00:26:20.859 they wouldn't allow them to touch it. 910 00:26:21.229 --> 00:26:22.180 But at the time, 911 00:26:22.270 --> 00:26:24.349 what Rosalyn wanted to do 912 00:26:24.630 --> 00:26:25.770 was to take an image 913 00:26:26.099 --> 00:26:29.689 of Doria Ragland on her wedding day to Thomas Markle Senior 914 00:26:29.829 --> 00:26:32.630 and put it in newspapers throughout the Philippines, 915 00:26:33.030 --> 00:26:34.270 seeking victims. 916 00:26:34.719 --> 00:26:34.959 You know, 917 00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:35.849 she wanted to, 918 00:26:36.040 --> 00:26:37.579 she wanted to prove 919 00:26:37.880 --> 00:26:39.219 that Senior was 920 00:26:39.479 --> 00:26:40.219 in her mind, 921 00:26:40.800 --> 00:26:41.560 a predator. 922 00:26:42.369 --> 00:26:43.329 And of course, 923 00:26:43.369 --> 00:26:43.849 the son, 924 00:26:43.969 --> 00:26:44.170 well, 925 00:26:44.410 --> 00:26:47.930 now that this is a recent public um a post by the son, 926 00:26:48.089 --> 00:26:51.530 they now can talk about it

because he's been arrested and he's been charged, 927 00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:52.589 but they said years ago, 928 00:26:53.050 --> 00:26:53.920 their attorney said, 929 00:26:54.170 --> 00:26:56.209 what a great way for us to end up in a lawsuit, 930 00:26:56.329 --> 00:26:57.430 we can't touch this. 931 00:26:57.849 --> 00:26:58.469 And so, 932 00:26:59.040 --> 00:27:01.910 The obvious assumption is if we're dealing, 933 00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:04.640 and she said the reason she wanted Doria in the photo was 934 00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:08.060 because that's around the time that Senior was going to the Philippines. 935 00:27:08.439 --> 00:27:09.239 So sadly, 936 00:27:09.319 --> 00:27:09.510 I mean, 937 00:27:09.560 --> 00:27:12.140 I do think that we're dealing with a situation 938 00:27:12.439 --> 00:27:14.979 where these crimes were occurring 939 00:27:15.479 --> 00:27:16.760 when Megan was born, 940 00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:17.239 you know, 941 00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:18.939 when Megan's a young child, 942 00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:20.189 um. 943 00:27:20.829 --> 00:27:21.170 When, 944 00:27:21.270 --> 00:27:22.829 when he's married to Doria, 945 00:27:23.150 --> 00:27:26.339 because they're asking for these very specific, 946 00:27:26.510 --> 00:27:29.359 her to identify him in these very specific photos, 947 00:27:29.670 --> 00:27:29.900 uh, 948 00:27:29.910 --> 00:27:31.930 where she is allegedly around. 949 00:27:32.069 --> 00:27:32.589 So, 950 00:27:32.849 --> 00:27:33.310 um, 951 00:27:33.709 --> 00:27:34.060 pretty, 952 00:27:34.209 --> 00:27:36.390 pretty hard stuff to to process. 953 00:27:37.060 --> 00:27:40.520 And all of these items found in the storage units in California, 954 00:27:41.420 --> 00:27:44.660 and then allegedly in Mexico and the Philippines. 955 00:27:45.530 --> 00:27:46.510 Um. 956 00:27:47.819 --> 00:27:48.670 I guess we don't know, 957 00:27:48.750 --> 00:27:51.140 but like I wonder if these are items that were in in 958 00:27:51.140 --> 00:27:53.709 the house back in the day that he then moved into these, 959 00:27:53.829 --> 00:27:54.589 it's just strange, 960 00:27:54.670 --> 00:27:56.170 so many storage units. 961 00:27:56.630 --> 00:27:56.750 Yeah, 962 00:27:56.869 --> 00:27:56.989 well, 963 00:27:57.109 --> 00:27:59.589 so he lived in California for a long time, 964 00:27:59.819 --> 00:28:00.569 moves to, 965 00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:00.829 you know, 966 00:28:00.910 --> 00:28:02.650 he was an award winning lighting director, 967 00:28:02.829 --> 00:28:03.349 and forever, 968 00:28:03.430 --> 00:28:04.189 that's all we knew. 969 00:28:04.329 --> 00:28:07.050 So whenever we talked about Meghan Markle's poor dad, 970 00:28:07.670 --> 00:28:08.270 we would say, 971 00:28:08.390 --> 00:28:08.550 oh, 972 00:28:08.670 --> 00:28:10.449 he's an Emmy winning lighting director. 973 00:28:10.510 --> 00:28:12.589 He had an incredible work ethic, 974 00:28:12.829 --> 00:28:13.030 you know, 975 00:28:13.109 --> 00:28:13.589 we didn't, 976 00:28:13.750 --> 00:28:14.270 of course, 977 00:28:14.349 --> 00:28:16.790 we didn't know all of these horrible details about him. 978 00:28:17.239 --> 00:28:17.609 Um, 979 00:28:17.719 --> 00:28:19.530 allegedly he says he's innocent, 980 00:28:20.050 --> 00:28:20.329 but, 981 00:28:20.369 --> 00:28:20.930 um, 982 00:28:21.650 --> 00:28:22.130 but, 983 00:28:22.380 --> 00:28:22.810 you know, 984 00:28:23.130 --> 00:28:24.030 he moves from 985 00:28:24.290 --> 00:28:26.699 Los Angeles to Mexico because it's 986 00:28:27.560 --> 00:28:30.660 Cheaper in Mexico to live after he retires. 987 00:28:31.079 --> 00:28:34.780 And then he says he's just so overwhelmed. 988 00:28:35.280 --> 00:28:37.719 He says that he's sick of the attention he's getting, 989 00:28:37.829 --> 00:28:40.060 he's sick of everybody knowing where he lives after 990 00:28:40.060 --> 00:28:42.510 the whole Meghan Markle chaos after the wedding, 991 00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:45.839 and so he says for for medical reasons, 992 00:28:45.959 --> 00:28:47.439 for the cost of medical, 993 00:28:47.760 --> 00:28:49.819 and to get away from the chaos, 994 00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:50.500 he 995 00:28:50.760 --> 00:28:53.219 moves from Mexico to the Philippines. 996 00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:54.079 Um. 997 00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:54.839 You know, 998 00:28:55.040 --> 00:28:56.239 whether that's true or not, 999 00:28:56.319 --> 00:28:56.760 I don't know, 1000 00:28:56.900 --> 00:28:59.119 because now they're saying that there was a very different 1001 00:28:59.119 --> 00:29:01.969 reason he could potentially have been moving to the Philippines. 1002 00:29:02.239 --> 00:29:03.079 But yeah, 1003 00:29:03.250 --> 00:29:03.479 you know, 1004 00:29:03.560 --> 00:29:04.619 I think what's 1005 00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:08.349 so interesting as an observer seeing some of the evidence, 1006 00:29:08.439 --> 00:29:09.229 cause some of these 1007 00:29:09.880 --> 00:29:14.119 outlets that have had such unreal access to this investigation. 1008 00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:15.010 Uh, 1009 00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:15.250 it, 1010 00:29:15.329 --> 00:29:17.229 it's the fact that it's VHS tapes. 1011 00:29:17.290 --> 00:29:18.550 It's the fact that it's, 1012 00:29:18.619 --> 00:29:19.010 um, 1013 00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:19.329 you know, 1014 00:29:19.530 --> 00:29:20.569 film strips, 1015 00:29:20.650 --> 00:29:21.150 you know, 1016 00:29:21.969 --> 00:29:24.030 this isn't the type of evidence 1017 00:29:24.449 --> 00:29:25.290 there have been, 1018 00:29:25.770 --> 00:29:26.010 well, 1019 00:29:26.170 --> 00:29:27.890 the defense is that this is a setup. 1020 00:29:28.089 --> 00:29:28.489 So far, 1021 00:29:28.569 --> 00:29:30.239 the only defense is that this is a setup, 1022 00:29:30.290 --> 00:29:30.400 and, 1023 00:29:30.410 --> 00:29:30.869 you know, 1024 00:29:31.369 --> 00:29:33.430 this old material, 1025 00:29:33.810 --> 00:29:34.030 and, 1026 00:29:34.089 --> 00:29:36.880 and even with some of these

older hard drives, 1027 00:29:37.489 --> 00:29:40.410 there are going to be forensic experts that can tell you 1028 00:29:40.410 --> 00:29:43.760 that this was uploaded on this date through this IP address and 1029 00:29:44.130 --> 00:29:44.839 And so 1030 00:29:45.199 --> 00:29:46.560 you're looking at a um 1031 00:29:46.699 --> 00:29:47.560 a lot of, 1032 00:29:48.020 --> 00:29:49.319 a lot of stuff that's just 1033 00:29:49.939 --> 00:29:50.540 hard to fake. 1034 00:29:50.579 --> 00:29:53.160 It has to be authentic because of the type of 1035 00:29:53.420 --> 00:29:56.569 evidence that they they're being presented with apparently. 1036 00:29:56.900 --> 00:29:56.979 Right, 1037 00:29:57.060 --> 00:29:57.939 it's not digital. 1038 00:29:58.060 --> 00:29:58.219 I mean, 1039 00:29:58.300 --> 00:29:58.699 it's, 1040 00:29:58.780 --> 00:29:59.219 it's just, 1041 00:29:59.300 --> 00:30:00.579 it's actually you can hold it. 1042 00:30:00.660 --> 00:30:01.189 Um, 1043 00:30:01.619 --> 00:30:03.640 how long have you been covering 1044 00:30:04.180 --> 00:30:05.800 Meghan Markle and, 1045 00:30:05.810 --> 00:30:05.859 and, 1046 00:30:06.099 --> 00:30:06.339 you know, 1047 00:30:06.500 --> 00:30:07.459 Thomas Markle Senior? 1048 00:30:07.489 --> 00:30:08.780 Was it from before the wedding? 1049 00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:10.449 Um, 1050 00:30:10.530 --> 00:30:11.079 I, 1051 00:30:11.410 --> 00:30:12.530 I don't think that I, 1052 00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:12.770 yeah, 1053 00:30:12.849 --> 00:30:14.030 I didn't really 1054 00:30:14.770 --> 00:30:19.229 care about Thomas Markle Senior until 1055 00:30:20.010 --> 00:30:23.859 I saw the family pushing back in 2021, 1056 00:30:24.449 --> 00:30:24.890 when it, 1057 00:30:25.089 --> 00:30:25.359 when, 1058 00:30:25.459 --> 00:30:27.750 when Harry and Meghan start being critical 1059 00:30:27.750 --> 00:30:30.650 of the British royal family through Oprah, 1060 00:30:31.050 --> 00:30:32.469 through the Netflix series. 1061 00:30:33.280 --> 00:30:34.380 Megan's family 1062 00:30:34.959 --> 00:30:40.020 really is thrust into the media defending the British royal family, 1063 00:30:40.439 --> 00:30:41.540 and that's when 1064 00:30:41.719 --> 00:30:42.859 the Thomas 1065 00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:44.050 Markle Senior 1066 00:30:44.150 --> 00:30:46.060 versus Megan saga is 1067 00:30:46.199 --> 00:30:47.550 really on my radar, 1068 00:30:47.560 --> 00:30:48.260 watching, 1069 00:30:48.560 --> 00:30:51.000 and then of course he goes on TV all the time and says, 1070 00:30:51.040 --> 00:30:52.810 I wanna meet my grandchildren, 1071 00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:54.829 why haven't I met my grandchildren? 1072 00:30:55.199 --> 00:30:55.979 And I 1073 00:30:56.439 --> 00:30:58.699 am so embarrassed now. 1074 00:30:59.479 --> 00:31:02.060 That I just accepted that he was this 1075 00:31:02.189 --> 00:31:03.469 sympathetic character, 1076 00:31:03.479 --> 00:31:04.760 and that doesn't mean like that 1077 00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:07.959 every

that that he was right or she was wrong or that 1078 00:31:08.239 --> 00:31:10.760 that it changes my opinion of some of the other things, 1079 00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:11.180 but 1080 00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:13.400 having gone on TV and been like, 1081 00:31:13.479 --> 00:31:13.640 yeah, 1082 00:31:13.760 --> 00:31:15.719 why can't he meet his grandchildren, 1083 00:31:16.040 --> 00:31:16.520 you know, 1084 00:31:16.760 --> 00:31:17.119 I, 1085 00:31:17.239 --> 00:31:17.550 I, 1086 00:31:17.599 --> 00:31:18.869 I do hate that evolution. 1087 00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:19.229 I like, 1088 00:31:19.239 --> 00:31:19.880 I wish, 1089 00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:20.510 you know, 1090 00:31:20.560 --> 00:31:23.560 I just wish I would have been privy to what other people were privy to. 1091 00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:25.900 If Megan got that letter in 2019. 1092 00:31:26.689 --> 00:31:29.510 I wish I would have known about that letter in 2019. 1093 00:31:30.660 --> 00:31:30.750 Yeah, 1094 00:31:30.829 --> 00:31:31.829 that's what I was going to ask you, 1095 00:31:31.869 --> 00:31:34.569 like in the royal reporter circles. 1096 00:31:35.939 --> 00:31:40.569 Was there rumors about this kind of stuff for years in terms of him 1097 00:31:40.930 --> 00:31:41.439 having 1098 00:31:41.890 --> 00:31:45.550 these kinds of materials and this may be being something or, 1099 00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:48.119 or did this all just kind of come out of nowhere 1100 00:31:48.530 --> 00:31:52.089 when was it the Sun that did the the Sun newspaper that did the first reporter, 1101 00:31:52.130 --> 00:31:54.510 or had you heard like rumblings years ago? 1102 00:31:54.969 --> 00:31:58.910 No evidence was presented that any of this stuff was going on, 1103 00:31:59.329 --> 00:31:59.969 and 1104 00:32:00.369 --> 00:32:04.089 I never heard that he could have that something sinister 1105 00:32:04.089 --> 00:32:06.510 could have been going on in in the background. 1106 00:32:06.810 --> 00:32:08.709 He just seemed like 1107 00:32:09.439 --> 00:32:11.260 A clumsy old man 1108 00:32:12.239 --> 00:32:12.900 who 1109 00:32:13.430 --> 00:32:16.010 was naive when it came to the paparazzi, 1110 00:32:16.280 --> 00:32:16.479 who, 1111 00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:16.920 you know, 1112 00:32:17.040 --> 00:32:18.760 I believe that a paparazzi said, 1113 00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:19.079 hey, 1114 00:32:19.239 --> 00:32:20.839 I'm gonna change your image. 1115 00:32:21.239 --> 00:32:23.579 Let me take some pictures of you before the wedding, 1116 00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:25.760 and I'll make you look like a better guy. 1117 00:32:25.800 --> 00:32:27.760 I'll make you look excited for your daughter's wedding, 1118 00:32:27.800 --> 00:32:28.400 I'll make you look, 1119 00:32:28.479 --> 00:32:28.719 you know, 1120 00:32:29.439 --> 00:32:29.920 we're gonna, 1121 00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:30.310 we'll, 1122 00:32:30.439 --> 00:32:30.609 we'll, 1123 00:32:30.680 --> 00:32:32.920 we'll make people forget about all those pictures

of you 1124 00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:35.160 crawling out of the 7-Eleven with a six pack, 1125 00:32:35.229 --> 00:32:37.540 which is really what was circulating on the internet. 1126 00:32:38.050 --> 00:32:40.329 And I just felt like he was naive and fell for it, 1127 00:32:40.369 --> 00:32:41.229 and um 1128 00:32:41.719 --> 00:32:43.109 and so now 1129 00:32:44.050 --> 00:32:47.410 the only version of events we have regarding this 2019 letter, 1130 00:32:47.459 --> 00:32:50.849 we're we're taking Meghan Markle at her word that she received. 1131 00:32:51.050 --> 00:32:52.369 The Met says they gave it to her, 1132 00:32:52.459 --> 00:32:52.890 but 1133 00:32:53.250 --> 00:32:54.959 the the circumstances surrounding it, 1134 00:32:55.130 --> 00:32:56.410 that's coming from Megan, 1135 00:32:57.010 --> 00:33:01.209 and you just wish that you would have been in the know sooner, 1136 00:33:02.010 --> 00:33:02.630 because 1137 00:33:02.800 --> 00:33:04.530 that's 7 years that 1138 00:33:05.469 --> 00:33:07.810 We don't know what's happened in the last 7 years. 1139 00:33:07.910 --> 00:33:09.420 Are there any more victims? 1140 00:33:09.550 --> 00:33:10.349 Has anything, 1141 00:33:10.619 --> 00:33:11.829 is there anyone else that we, 1142 00:33:11.939 --> 00:33:15.849 that could have been protected or saved in the last 7 years had we known? 1143 00:33:16.310 --> 00:33:16.729 Because 1144 00:33:17.369 --> 00:33:18.849 Senior had a very 1145 00:33:19.150 --> 00:33:23.250 unrealistic platform thanks to his proximity to the British royal family. 1146 00:33:23.550 --> 00:33:24.069 Um, 1147 00:33:24.670 --> 00:33:24.910 and I, 1148 00:33:24.949 --> 00:33:26.550 and I wish we could have stopped him if, 1149 00:33:26.609 --> 00:33:26.969 if, 1150 00:33:27.140 --> 00:33:27.949 if we had we known, 1151 00:33:28.020 --> 00:33:29.150 I think we would have tried. 1152 00:33:30.189 --> 00:33:32.479 Do you think Meghan Markle will? 1153 00:33:33.589 --> 00:33:34.709 Put out another statement. 1154 00:33:34.829 --> 00:33:34.979 I mean, 1155 00:33:35.030 --> 00:33:37.270 I guess she's gonna have to say something 1156 00:33:37.510 --> 00:33:37.819 at some point. 1157 00:33:37.930 --> 00:33:37.949 Well, 1158 00:33:38.349 --> 00:33:38.579 you know, 1159 00:33:38.589 --> 00:33:40.010 what's really weird is, 1160 00:33:40.069 --> 00:33:40.349 um, 1161 00:33:40.510 --> 00:33:41.500 Tuesday, 1162 00:33:41.829 --> 00:33:43.750 Harry and Meghan are gonna be in Brussels, 1163 00:33:43.910 --> 00:33:48.130 and they are going to be talking about child safety online. 1164 00:33:48.829 --> 00:33:52.849 And this was something that was scheduled. 1165 00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:54.219 Months ago. 1166 00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:55.130 Um, 1167 00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:55.709 we, 1168 00:33:55.800 --> 00:33:56.000 we, 1169 00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:59.380 we were just told about it about like a week maybe before 1170 00:33:59.839 --> 00:34:02.880 the Thomas Markle the story broke, 1171 00:34:02.959 --> 00:34:04.900 probably two weeks before the arrest, 1172 00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:08.060 but that's on November 10th, 1173 00:34:08.429 --> 00:34:09.239 and 1174 00:34:09.600 --> 00:34:12.020 this will be Megan's first 1175 00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:14.739 public appearance following her father's arrest. 1176 00:34:15.399 --> 00:34:17.899 This is supposed to be Harry and Meghan's first big 1177 00:34:18.600 --> 00:34:20.820 appearance together since their move to the UK. 1178 00:34:21.728 --> 00:34:24.789 And originally we were briefed 1179 00:34:25.168 --> 00:34:28.128 that Harry and Meghan were going to make a joint. 1180 00:34:29.409 --> 00:34:29.770 You know, 1181 00:34:30.010 --> 00:34:30.330 speech, 1182 00:34:30.449 --> 00:34:31.719 that it was gonna be the two of them, 1183 00:34:31.770 --> 00:34:33.050 and they were gonna work together. 1184 00:34:33.168 --> 00:34:33.290 Well, 1185 00:34:33.370 --> 00:34:34.260 all of a sudden 1186 00:34:34.590 --> 00:34:36.790 we're hearing that it's just going to be Harry, 1187 00:34:36.850 --> 00:34:38.989 and this is coming from the Sunday Times. 1188 00:34:39.370 --> 00:34:40.228 They said that 1189 00:34:40.570 --> 00:34:43.610 Harry hopes his remarks will also be understood in 1190 00:34:43.610 --> 00:34:47.040 the context of the allegations against his father-in-law, 1191 00:34:47.330 --> 00:34:49.820 since the topic is protecting children online, 1192 00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:50.649 but I'm, 1193 00:34:50.728 --> 00:34:52.649 I think that they'll get some pushback for that. 1194 00:34:52.688 --> 00:34:53.629 If you're there. 1195 00:34:54.370 --> 00:34:56.090 To unveil a 1196 00:34:56.728 --> 00:35:00.870 An exhibit on deceased children that were bullied online. 1197 00:35:01.770 --> 00:35:04.399 There will be some people that say we should focus on the 1198 00:35:04.399 --> 00:35:07.649 deceased kids and not make this about your own family drama. 1199 00:35:08.750 --> 00:35:09.350 Yeah, 1200 00:35:09.709 --> 00:35:09.830 well, 1201 00:35:09.949 --> 00:35:10.070 yeah, 1202 00:35:10.149 --> 00:35:11.969 the timing is really strange for that too, 1203 00:35:12.070 --> 00:35:14.449 obviously that this was set up before and 1204 00:35:14.790 --> 00:35:16.070 what are the chances of that? 1205 00:35:16.310 --> 00:35:16.639 Yeah. 1206 00:35:16.870 --> 00:35:17.229 Do you know, 1207 00:35:17.300 --> 00:35:18.010 like, 1208 00:35:18.449 --> 00:35:21.169 I know that there's this whole group of people that that don't like 1209 00:35:21.830 --> 00:35:22.350 her. 1210 00:35:23.139 --> 00:35:23.540 Um, 1211 00:35:23.669 --> 00:35:23.870 Kate, 1212 00:35:23.949 --> 00:35:24.649 and then there's, 1213 00:35:24.669 --> 00:35:25.229 um, 1214 00:35:25.429 --> 00:35:25.790 and Megan, 1215 00:35:25.870 --> 00:35:26.290 I'm sorry, 1216 00:35:26.750 --> 00:35:27.149 and then there, 1217 00:35:27.229 --> 00:35:27.350 you know, 1218 00:35:27.429 --> 00:35:27.689 there's, 1219 00:35:27.790 --> 00:35:28.989 it

seems like it's very divided, 1220 00:35:29.030 --> 00:35:30.270 like there's people who would support her and 1221 00:35:30.270 --> 00:35:31.570 there's people who really don't like her. 1222 00:35:31.989 --> 00:35:32.239 Like 1223 00:35:33.010 --> 00:35:34.649 in the UK has this, 1224 00:35:35.149 --> 00:35:36.449 how is this going over? 1225 00:35:37.649 --> 00:35:39.409 I think it's a mixed bag. 1226 00:35:39.489 --> 00:35:39.969 I mean, 1227 00:35:40.570 --> 00:35:44.250 Harry and Meghan have sued the Daily Mail so much, 1228 00:35:44.610 --> 00:35:49.010 and I've been surprised to see how many opinion pieces are very pro-Megan. 1229 00:35:49.120 --> 00:35:49.199 Well, 1230 00:35:49.250 --> 00:35:50.370 now I understand. 1231 00:35:50.479 --> 00:35:50.780 Oh well, 1232 00:35:50.820 --> 00:35:52.350 now all of this makes sense, 1233 00:35:52.370 --> 00:35:52.750 and, 1234 00:35:53.169 --> 00:35:53.320 you know, 1235 00:35:53.409 --> 00:35:53.570 I, 1236 00:35:53.629 --> 00:35:54.729 I am critical of her. 1237 00:35:54.770 --> 00:35:55.090 I'm like, 1238 00:35:55.229 --> 00:35:55.800 does it, 1239 00:35:56.040 --> 00:35:56.409 you know, 1240 00:35:56.530 --> 00:35:56.729 like, 1241 00:35:56.770 --> 00:35:57.989 does it make sense? 1242 00:35:58.379 --> 00:35:58.810 Um, 1243 00:35:58.889 --> 00:36:00.530 I've looked back at the calendar of, 1244 00:36:00.610 --> 00:36:00.989 of 1245 00:36:01.209 --> 00:36:02.120 2019, 1246 00:36:02.129 --> 00:36:02.449 and, 1247 00:36:02.620 --> 00:36:02.800 you know, 1248 00:36:02.879 --> 00:36:05.830 I look at so many things that she was doing back then. 1249 00:36:06.229 --> 00:36:07.750 And I think to myself, 1250 00:36:08.550 --> 00:36:09.290 why would 1251 00:36:09.510 --> 00:36:10.209 being the, 1252 00:36:10.290 --> 00:36:14.429 the guest editor for Vogue be your priority if this is in the back of your head, 1253 00:36:14.590 --> 00:36:15.070 you know, 1254 00:36:15.469 --> 00:36:16.189 things like that, 1255 00:36:16.250 --> 00:36:16.800 um, 1256 00:36:17.189 --> 00:36:17.379 you know, 1257 00:36:17.800 --> 00:36:18.149 in the, 1258 00:36:18.229 --> 00:36:19.989 in the way that they unleashed on the British 1259 00:36:19.989 --> 00:36:24.530 royal family starting in 2021 about things as petty as 1260 00:36:24.790 --> 00:36:27.070 Catherine not wanting to share her lip gloss. 1261 00:36:27.110 --> 00:36:27.649 It's like 1262 00:36:27.909 --> 00:36:29.149 if you knew. 1263 00:36:29.600 --> 00:36:33.110 That at any moment this bomb could drop about Megan's dad. 1264 00:36:33.439 --> 00:36:38.159 Why are you complaining about a broken necklace or a dog bowl or lip balm? 1265 00:36:38.209 --> 00:36:38.439 I mean, 1266 00:36:38.520 --> 00:36:41.179 you've got way bigger issues to handle. 1267 00:36:41.679 --> 00:36:42.100 Um, 1268 00:36:42.360 --> 00:36:44.679 so I think that there are some people that 1269 00:36:45.590 --> 00:36:46.149 That are saying, 1270 00:36:46.229 --> 00:36:46.469 OK, 1271 00:36:46.550 --> 00:36:47.340 I understand now, 1272 00:36:47.429 --> 00:36:49.189 or I sympathize with her now, 1273 00:36:49.500 --> 00:36:51.439 and then there are some people that say, 1274 00:36:51.909 --> 00:36:53.360 why weren't you firmer? 1275 00:36:53.550 --> 00:36:53.790 You, 1276 00:36:53.949 --> 00:36:56.439 you have taken the platform of, 1277 00:36:56.570 --> 00:36:59.370 you want to be an authority on protecting children online, 1278 00:36:59.709 --> 00:37:01.570 and for the last 7 years, 1279 00:37:01.949 --> 00:37:02.669 you knew, 1280 00:37:02.989 --> 00:37:03.750 according to you, 1281 00:37:03.909 --> 00:37:04.889 you knew a secret 1282 00:37:05.310 --> 00:37:06.860 that you didn't do anything with, 1283 00:37:06.989 --> 00:37:08.169 and could there be 1284 00:37:08.590 --> 00:37:09.770 potential victims 1285 00:37:10.149 --> 00:37:10.530 that 1286 00:37:10.709 --> 00:37:12.310 weren't saved in the process. 1287 00:37:13.860 --> 00:37:15.270 Is there anything else you think is important, 1288 00:37:15.429 --> 00:37:15.790 Kinsey, 1289 00:37:15.949 --> 00:37:17.469 like in this moment we're in now? 1290 00:37:17.550 --> 00:37:17.709 I mean, 1291 00:37:17.790 --> 00:37:19.489 it's going to be interesting to see. 1292 00:37:20.469 --> 00:37:20.989 Just 1293 00:37:21.270 --> 00:37:22.870 if he stays in Florida for a while, 1294 00:37:22.949 --> 00:37:25.270 if he gets transferred back to California. 1295 00:37:26.850 --> 00:37:27.169 Well, 1296 00:37:27.250 --> 00:37:27.530 I mean, 1297 00:37:27.649 --> 00:37:28.850 I think it's just, 1298 00:37:29.010 --> 00:37:29.429 it's 1299 00:37:30.850 --> 00:37:31.010 I, 1300 00:37:31.090 --> 00:37:31.290 I mean, 1301 00:37:31.330 --> 00:37:33.689 it's just not a very edifying story, 1302 00:37:33.770 --> 00:37:34.479 obviously. 1303 00:37:34.610 --> 00:37:34.889 I'm, 1304 00:37:35.010 --> 00:37:36.250 I think I'd like, 1305 00:37:36.649 --> 00:37:37.090 and I, 1306 00:37:37.169 --> 00:37:37.489 I, 1307 00:37:37.610 --> 00:37:37.959 I, 1308 00:37:38.050 --> 00:37:40.550 I hate saying this out loud because I know 1309 00:37:40.550 --> 00:37:43.050 that this goes against everything I normally say. 1310 00:37:43.129 --> 00:37:44.290 I normally say never complain, 1311 00:37:44.409 --> 00:37:45.270 never explain, 1312 00:37:45.889 --> 00:37:48.129 which is the British royal family's motto, 1313 00:37:48.209 --> 00:37:48.649 never complain, 1314 00:37:48.739 --> 00:37:49.530 never explain, 1315 00:37:49.729 --> 00:37:50.669 stay above the fray. 1316 00:37:51.360 --> 00:37:53.790 But it does feel like there is 1317 00:37:54.229 --> 00:37:55.830 some heat on the royal family, 1318 00:37:55.909 --> 00:37:58.100 and it would be good to hear them 1319 00:37:58.389 --> 00:38:00.129 put their foot down and say, 1320 00:38:00.669 --> 00:38:01.030 no, 1321 00:38:01.189 --> 00:38:01.669 we had, 1322 00:38:01.989 --> 00:38:02.979 we had no 1323 00:38:04.070 --> 00:38:05.300 idea that this was going on,

1324 00:38:05.389 --> 00:38:05.870 and 1325 00:38:06.189 --> 00:38:06.469 we, 1326 00:38:06.590 --> 00:38:08.610 we would have intervened if we could have. 1327 00:38:08.989 --> 00:38:09.429 Um. 1328 00:38:10.060 --> 00:38:10.070 Because 1329 00:38:10.580 --> 00:38:11.969 I think that if they don't, 1330 00:38:12.179 --> 00:38:13.979 those stories will continue to circulate. 1331 00:38:14.100 --> 00:38:16.280 Why didn't the British royal family do more? 1332 00:38:16.659 --> 00:38:18.479 How does this reflect poorly on them? 1333 00:38:18.709 --> 00:38:19.179 And I, 1334 00:38:19.290 --> 00:38:21.270 I can't find a single human being 1335 00:38:21.379 --> 00:38:24.179 connected to the palace that had any idea about the letter, 1336 00:38:24.540 --> 00:38:28.429 or that these allegations or rumors were circulating back then. 1337 00:38:29.120 --> 00:38:29.600 But then you, 1338 00:38:29.649 --> 00:38:30.189 you hear 1339 00:38:30.689 --> 00:38:35.409 that the sun was contacted by Rosalyn Loveless in 2018, 1340 00:38:35.439 --> 00:38:36.250 and you say, 1341 00:38:36.649 --> 00:38:38.860 somebody from the sun didn't give you a heads up, 1342 00:38:38.929 --> 00:38:40.689 somebody from the sun didn't call and say, 1343 00:38:40.830 --> 00:38:41.280 hey, 1344 00:38:41.489 --> 00:38:42.870 there's this wild story 1345 00:38:43.370 --> 00:38:44.290 about Megan's dad. 1346 00:38:44.370 --> 00:38:44.969 I just wanna, 1347 00:38:45.090 --> 00:38:46.389 I just wanna warn you. 1348 00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:47.070 Um, 1349 00:38:47.209 --> 00:38:47.489 it's, 1350 00:38:47.610 --> 00:38:47.840 it's, 1351 00:38:47.889 --> 00:38:48.090 you know, 1352 00:38:48.250 --> 00:38:51.000 you just don't know who to believe in under these circumstances, 1353 00:38:51.010 --> 00:38:51.449 and 1354 00:38:51.649 --> 00:38:55.459 you're having to tap dance because it's all allegations so far, 1355 00:38:55.770 --> 00:38:56.389 but as 1356 00:38:57.060 --> 00:38:57.300 You know, 1357 00:38:57.379 --> 00:38:57.540 the, 1358 00:38:57.620 --> 00:39:01.280 the headlines get grittier and more concerning. 1359 00:39:02.219 --> 00:39:04.060 It's harder for you to remember, 1360 00:39:04.260 --> 00:39:05.139 pull it back, 1361 00:39:05.540 --> 00:39:06.899 innocent until proven guilty. 1362 00:39:06.939 --> 00:39:07.129 I, 1363 00:39:07.229 --> 00:39:07.419 you know, 1364 00:39:07.570 --> 00:39:07.739 he, 1365 00:39:07.899 --> 00:39:09.159 he stresses that he, 1366 00:39:09.459 --> 00:39:11.179 that he hasn't done anything wrong. 1367 00:39:11.699 --> 00:39:11.979 Right, 1368 00:39:12.179 --> 00:39:12.419 right, 1369 00:39:12.580 --> 00:39:12.620 yeah, 1370 00:39:12.699 --> 00:39:12.820 I know, 1371 00:39:12.889 --> 00:39:13.169 you're right. 1372 00:39:13.219 --> 00:39:13.399 I mean, 1373 00:39:13.409 --> 00:39:14.879 that's the way our system is set up, 1374 00:39:14.889 --> 00:39:15.820 and we'll see, 1375 00:39:16.340 --> 00:39:17.360 we'll see how it plays out. 1376 00:39:17.449 --> 00:39:17.629 Um, 1377 00:39:17.780 --> 00:39:18.090 Kinsey, 1378 00:39:18.129 --> 00:39:19.760 thank you for taking the time to talk to me again. 1379 00:39:19.939 --> 00:39:20.479 Thank you. 1380 00:39:20.969 --> 00:39:23.340 Appreciate Kinsey for taking the time to talk with me, 1381 00:39:23.469 --> 00:39:23.780 uh, 1382 00:39:23.899 --> 00:39:26.560 and I'll keep an eye on how all of this develops if. 1383 00:39:27.590 --> 00:39:27.909 Not if, 1384 00:39:27.979 --> 00:39:30.340 but when Thomas Markel Senior is back in court in Florida, 1385 00:39:30.350 --> 00:39:31.389 I'm definitely gonna try to go. 1386 00:39:31.429 --> 00:39:33.050 I'm thinking it'll probably be in Tampa. 1387 00:39:34.060 --> 00:39:35.949 When that will be though is still unclear 1388 00:39:35.949 --> 00:39:38.830 just because there's now this mental health evaluation. 1389 00:39:39.729 --> 00:39:42.330 And physical health evaluation it seems that have 1390 00:39:42.330 --> 00:39:43.810 to happen and that could take some time. 1391 00:39:43.929 --> 00:39:45.120 So I'll keep an eye on it. 1392 00:39:45.370 --> 00:39:48.120 I'll let you guys know when that happens and I'll try to get to the hearing in, 1393 00:39:48.129 --> 00:39:48.189 in, 1394 00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:48.560 in, 1395 00:39:48.679 --> 00:39:49.310 in Tampa. 1396 00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:50.360 Um, 1397 00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:51.879 because these federal court hearings, 1398 00:39:51.919 --> 00:39:52.800 there's no cameras allowed, 1399 00:39:52.870 --> 00:39:53.550 there's no recordings, 1400 00:39:53.620 --> 00:39:55.600 so the only way you really know what's going on is if you 1401 00:39:55.600 --> 00:39:58.639 actually go to the hearing yourself and write everything down in your notebook. 1402 00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:01.399 So that's what I'll try to do as soon as I find out when it is. 1403 00:40:01.520 --> 00:40:02.239 Might be this week, 1404 00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:02.679 but 1405 00:40:02.919 --> 00:40:03.560 might be next week, 1406 00:40:03.639 --> 00:40:04.040 we'll see. 1407 00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:05.699 So appreciate everybody for watching, 1408 00:40:06.120 --> 00:40:07.699 really appreciate everybody who has, 1409 00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:08.179 um, 1410 00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:08.479 you know, 1411 00:40:08.560 --> 00:40:10.620 been watching my videos and subscribed to my channel, 1412 00:40:10.840 --> 00:40:11.000 uh, 1413 00:40:11.070 --> 00:40:12.320 and I will talk to you guys later.