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Chairman of Stagwell here with Linda Yakarino and an assembled
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group of about twenty five cmos of major corporations here
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at Cees during the CEES to really see the latest
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in technology. And we're graced with Elon Musk who has
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contented to give us some of his time to answer
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some of these really burning questions about technology's going to
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develop and change our lives, and some of his interactions
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with the government may also change.
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Our lives as well.
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Yeah, and so if I might start off with kind
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of a big overall question and I'll do some questions
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and then we'll get some questions in from the group.
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You know, I have to say that I've been actually
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a Tesla owner for many years.
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Thank you.
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Clearly you're clearly someone of a great taste.
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Well, I will say that I drove from Miami to
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Fort Laurida Vale to meet my brother for dinner, about forty.
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Miles and I did not touch I touched the wheel.
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But let me tell you that the test.
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The Chaudrove itself is what you're saying, and you do
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not need to intervene.
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It did not need me for this entire ride.
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Yeah, it's pretty magical. It's like like when you tell
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people that they have not experienced it, they don't believe you.
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You know, yeah, yes, And I didn't believe me either
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because I've been a skeptic about how far it would go.
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And your latest releases of software are you know, really incredible,
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So thank you for people to try them. As a
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big question, and in that thing coming in the next decade,
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what do you think is going to be the greatest
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advances in technology that will affect people's lives? What should
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they be affecting to see here from technology in their lives?
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Okay, well, I don't want to blow your minds, but
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AI is going to be big. I feel confident for
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that prediction. But you know, the funny thing is, if
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you go back even five years ago, certainly ten years ago,
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if ten years ago, even fifteen years ago, I was saying,
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is can be like this massive thing that has deep
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super intelligence, smarter than the smartest human People thought I
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was kidding, and I thought that that's ridiculous. There's no
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way computer's going to be smarter than a human. I'd
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be able to do all these complicated things.
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And now.
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You know the it's it's the latest AIS are able
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to pass complicated tests better than most humans. Like they
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can pass the medical tests better than than like eighty
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percent of doctors or something. Know they can AI can
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diagnose radiography better than most people who have been doing
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it their whole life. So that that's that's just accelerating obviously,
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I think probably if you haven't seen Jensen's talk, it's
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it's excellent and it really shows how much AI is advancing,
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and it's advancing on the.
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Hardware fronts on the software front.
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In terms of data, this is like the new sort
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of thing is synthetic data because we've actually run out
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of all the books and literally run out of you
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take the entire Internet and all books ever written, and
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all interesting videos, like like you don't need a thousand
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cat videos that are exactly the same, but all the
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interesting videos and and you sort of just strole that
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down into tokens essentially bits of information, and you've we've
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now exhausted all of the but basically that the cumulative
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some of human knowledge has been.
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Exhausted in AI training.
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That happened basically last last year, and so the only
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way to then supplement that is with synthetic data, where
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the AI creates, it'll sort of write an essay or
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we'll come up with the thesis, and then and then
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and then it will grade itself and and and and
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sort of go through this process of self learning with
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synthetic data, which is which is always challenging because how
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do you know it? How do you know if hallucinated
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the answer or it's a real answer. So it's challenging
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to find the ground truth. But but it is pretty
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well that AI at this point has run out of
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all human knowledge to train on.
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Crazy.
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I know that you're building for for the largest AI
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center on the planet we already have. Yeah, it's an
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operation Microsoft.
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Is planning eighty billion dollars or I used to work.
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For But there's a lot of money by anyone's standards.
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Really, you know, I mean, you know, I did a
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poll and we asked, there's AI making a difference in
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your life today? Thirteen percent said yes, and they said
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in five years from now, will AI make a difference
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in your life? Eighty seven percent expect in five years
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who will make a difference?
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What is a gigantic difference?
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Okay, what is it going to do for people?
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Is it going to be anything?
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You want to work right A I will do anything
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you want and even suggest things you never even thought of.
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So I mean, I really within the next few years
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will be able to do any cognitive task like it
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obviously begs the question what are we all going to do?
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You know, but pretty much any cognitive task that doesn't
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involve atoms AI will be able to do within i'd
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say max. Three or four years maximum. And then now
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then the another elements of it is the robotics is
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that you need, so you can't just be thinking. I
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can't just be thinking in it's in in a data center.
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It's going to do things. That's where you need the robots.
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So and you need you know, self driving cars, which
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obviously you've experienced, and and and that that rate of
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improvement is exponential in how good the self driving cars are.
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You know, we feel confident in passing the basically being
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better than human driving in about three months basically the
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Q two of this year. We feel confident of passing
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having a probability of accident that is better than the
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average experienced driver.
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And then and then it'll keep going from there.
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Ultimately, I think it's going to be ten times safer
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than a human driver and then one hundred times safer,
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like it's to.
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The point where really it just won't crash.
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Yeah. So and that's so, and that's happening this year
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with with Tesla. So Tesla and and and this is
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a software update to you know, our cars. So as
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you experienced yourself, it's the same car, it's got a
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software update, and suddenly it's way smarter at driving.
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Well, let me let me try a few timelines then,
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because you know, look, I'm not the youngest guy around,
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so I want to.
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Technology stand up for what he is young.
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Uh get older every year as I get older.
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I used to build computers and kids right when when
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you couldn't buy them yet, And I don't have to
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do that anymore. And so self driving some timeline self
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driving cars, certified government certified self drive you think will
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be within a year.
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Well, I mean there already are autonomous you know, in
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small in some regions, like Wemo has autonomous vehicles with
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no one in it, but they're limited to like if
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you sait Is in the U s that the Tesla solution,
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which is a much more difficult path to go but
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ultimately much more.
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Powerful, is a general solution to self driving.
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So the Tesla software is just purely AI and vision
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doesn't rely on any expensive sensor's, no light oars, no radars.
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Or or it doesn't require it doesn't even require knowing
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the area beforehand. Like you could put.
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You could have a drive someplace has never been before
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and no tests has ever been before. It couldn't be
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an alien planet, I mean it and the call will
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still work, still drive, so and and.
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So that's that's that's this year, you know, And when
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can I get a home robot?
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Right?
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H Well, so that's that's the other element is our
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humanoid humanoid robots. So I think probably most people, if
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not everyone, would like to have their own personal C
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three p O R T D two And I think
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I actually think humanoid robust will be the biggest product
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ever in history by far.
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I agree.
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Yeah, it's just it's as wild.
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But because you can just say, well every human is
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going to want one most likely, and someone want to
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and then they'll be all of the industry in terms
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of making providing products and services. So that you have, say,
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what's the ratio of humanoid robots to humans? My guess
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is it's least at least three to one, four to one,
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maybe five to one. So we're talking about twenty thirty
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billion humanoid robots, and you know, the it's it's not
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even clear what money means at that point, or if
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there's any meaningful cap on the economy.
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I think at that point, assuming that things haven't.
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Gone awry, you know, in the in the good AI scenario,
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I think we will have we won't have universal basic income,
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we'll have universal high income.
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So do you think five years for my first robot, or.
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Well for for Tesla where you know, Optimus robot really
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is it's and then somebody's got something secret we don't
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know about. The Optimus robot is the most sophisticated human
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robot in the world. It's got a hand that has
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twenty two degrees of freedom. It looks and feels like
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a human hand. And you know, we're aiming to have
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several thousand of those built this year. Initially we'll we'll
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test them out at Tesla factories, but then assuming things
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go well, we will will ten x that that output
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next year. So we'll aim to do maybe fifty to
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one hundred thousand humorid robots next year and then ten
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x at again the following year. It's like five hundred
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thousand robots in three years.
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That's a lot.
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Yeah, So I guess, well, maybe we should think of
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this in terms of Roman legions. How many legions of
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robot so we have, Like a Roman legion.
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When will we have a colony on Mars?
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Well, I think we'll be able to send the first
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uncrewed spacecraft to Mars in two years. So Earth and
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Mars synchronize every two years, and so we're at a
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synchronous point right now, So then the next one will
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be roughly two years from now, and then there'll be
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two years from then there w another one. So for
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the first trip, obviously we want to make sure that
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we can land starship without crashing, Like we need to
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prove that we can land starship on Mars without incrementing
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the creator count. And if those land safely, then maybe
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on the next trip we would send people and then
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hopefully that would grow exponentially.
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So eventually there will be thousands of starships going to Mars.
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And I might have this like really cool visual like Battlesaw.
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Glack toic Go or something, you know, the sort of
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colony ships departing altogether with these like bright points of
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light in space. I think it looked really cool, but
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I think the goal has to be to get to
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the point where Mars is self sustaining. So the point
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of which Mars is self sustaining, which is really defined
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as a point of which if the resupply ships Earth
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stopped coming for any reason, that Mars doesn't die out,
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that Mars can continue to grow. So if there's something
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that happens on Earth, like let's say there's World War
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II or some natural disaster or who knows what, but
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for whatever reason the resupply ships stopped coming, if Mars
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can still continue to survive, then.
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You know, then the probable lifespan of civilization is dramatically greater.
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So you know, if you sort of stand back and say,
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how would you evaluate any civilization, you'd say, like, well,
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it's that civilization still stuck on its own planet or
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a multiplanets civilization, And we don't want to be one
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of those lame one planet civilizations.
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Okay, we're to have a respectable outcome here.
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Even if we don't make it beyond our Solar system,
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were at least got to get to another planet.
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Yeah, well, and finally in my list brain to technology. Communication.
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Yeah, back to communication, am I am I going to
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see that also because right now this is looking pretty
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good for me.
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Yeah. So we've got neuralink.
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We've got now three patients with three three humans with
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neural links implanet and no working well. And we've upgraded
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devices that were the devices will have more more electrodes
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basically higher bandwidth, longer battery life and everything. And so
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we expect to you know, hopefully do twenty or thirty
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patients next year or this year, I should say, with
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the upgraded neuralink devices. And this our first product is
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we're trying to enable people who have lost their brain
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body connection so they're a tetroplegic or paraphlegic or uh
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basically like you can imagine like say Stephen Hawking. If
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Stephen Hawking could communicate as fast or even faster than
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a normal human, that would be transformational. Yeah, So that
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that's sort of our first product is being able to
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read the motor cortex of the brain and say that
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if you think about moving your hand, it will move
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the cursor on the screen. And it enables enables people
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to control their computer or their phone just by thinking.
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even if somebody has lost both eyes or has lost
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the optic nerve, or if they've never they've been blind
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from birth, we can interface directly with the visual cortex
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in the brain and enable them to see.
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enabling people to control devices, and ultimately we think if
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you have a second neuralink device that is past the
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point where the spinal damage occurred, we can actually transmit
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the signals from the brain past the where essentially the
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wires is.
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Broken and enabled someone to walk again.
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So that that would really be profound obviously, but I'm
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confident that that is physically possible. And then the long
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term goalf in neural link is to be able to
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improve the bandwidth. So right right now when we're speaking,
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our bandwidth and po second is quite low, and the
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sustained bandwidth of a human is less than one but
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per second over twenty four hour period, So this eighty
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six four hundred seconds in a day, and the average
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human put outputs.
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Much less than eighty six four hundred bits today.
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most people do not output more than the number of
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could increase that output capably by a thousand or maybe
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a million, So it would be profoundly different experience that
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could be super human essentially.
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Well, put me down for all of this so far
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early as after.
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Yeah, and trust me, really you really like the chip,
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I can guarantee.
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It, And let's kind of bring us down to earth
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for a question on DOGE.
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Yeah, I mean I worked very closely actually with President
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Clinton in the nineties where we did have reinventing government.
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We did balance the budget in two years.
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Actually, that's awesome. Oh those were the days.
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Well, it didn't last very long because it's got blown
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up very quickly. Have you identified some cuts that you're
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really that you're really looking at, that you think will
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be successful. Do you think the two trillion is is
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a realistic number now that you're looking more closely at it.
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Yeah, Well, I think I think we'll try and for
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two trillion. I think that's like the best case outcome.
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But I do think that you kind of have to
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have some overage. I think if we try for two trillion,
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we've got a good shot at getting one. And if
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we can get drop the budget deficit from two trillion
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to one trillion and.
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Kind of free up the economy.
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To you know, have additional growth such that the output
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of goods and services it keeps pace with the increase
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in the money supply, then there will be no inflation.
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So that that I think would be an epic outcome.
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And in terms of saving money in the government, well,
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as you as you know, it's it's a it's a
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very target rich environment for saving money. Like if you
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if you look at any direction, it's like it was like,
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where will you find places to save money? I'm like,
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it's like being in a room full oft targets, Like
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you could close your eyes and you can't miss. So
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there's just a lot of waste in government because especially
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the federal government, you just got a situation where that
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the checks never bounce, like they've got like the infinite
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money computer and uh and and then the the people
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that spend the money are not the people. It's it's
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not their money, you know, it's it's it's very very
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hard for people to care about spending someone else's money.
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And and then even if you you know, actually I
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know people in the government who do care about on
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just as a matter of principles, spending money effectively, and
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they try to do so and they can't. The system
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prevents them from doing so. And then and they even
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get told to do crazy things as against probably sounds familiar,
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where you get towards the end of the budget cycle
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and and they're they're told to spend up to their
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budget and even on on nonsense stuff because if they
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don't spend their budget, the budget gets reduced. So it's
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actually sort of sort of a perverse incentive to waste money,
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and and and then they kind of get punished for
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not wasting money. So it's totally bananas.
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Well, well, I agree, you will find.
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You know, I did a mathematical analysis in terms of
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how government used to do things. So if you take
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the Brooklyn Bridge or the Lincoln Tunnel, and you yeah, inflation,
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the infrastructure bill should actually get you four thousand adjusted
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breakage Lincoln Tunnels, which, of course, of course it's not
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because government is right, does it used to be?
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No, exactly Essentially that we've got had an accumulation of
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laws and regulations that may basically any large project essentially
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illegal and uh and uh and and even if you've
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tried to do you've better satisfied. You better to spend
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way more money on the paperwork than on the thing itself.
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So and and then it gets gets laid and so
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this there's there's an element of like dose, which is
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very important, which is looking at regulations and and getting
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rid of ones that where the the the harm is
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worse than the good, like you say, like, well, any
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given regulations like okay, there's some.
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Amount of good, some amount of harm, but you know
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what's that ratio? Is it?
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Like you know, and there's a lot of regulations where
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frankly it just completely nonsensical. And we want to get
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rid of nonsensical regulations that do not serve the public good.
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Well, Linda Acarino and her keynote here mentioned the dose thing,
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and she got enormous applause.
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So I think the country is really waiting to see
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this effort. There. They're behind it, they're they're optimistic.
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Let me try to get in one more topic here
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before I get one or two other questions out there,
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which is obviously Mark Zuckerberg made an amazing one.
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An eighty degree term.
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Yeah cool.
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What's your reaction to what he did and his acknowledgment
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frankly that the government was in fact censoring things, or
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he was censoring things, or the government or some combination thereof.
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Yeah, I mean there's there's there's no question. I mean
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one percent the government was was censoring things. We know
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that for a fact from from the Twitter files. I
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mean some of the stuff was like, like pretty illegal, frankly.
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I mean, the FBI had this portal into Twitter where
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they could spy on anything and and censor anything and
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had a two week auto delete.
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So we don't even know what they did.
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Except that they had immense power to do whatever they wanted,
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which doesn't sound legal.
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And you know that sounds pretty pretty crazy.
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And you know, there's also a lot of self censoring,
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and I don't know, there was just a lot of
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censoring going on. And I think you I feel very
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strongly that the you have to have freedom of speech
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to have a functioning democracy. You know, if you don't
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have freedom of speech, freedom expression, then how do you
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know what's really going on? And and if you can't
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make an inform vote then you don't have you don't
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have a real democracy. So it's you know, just that's
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incredibly important too. I think listen to the wisdom of
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the founders of the country and say, why why did
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they make that the first amendment? You know, and and
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it's what they did it for a reason. It's because
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they came from places where, uh that where there was
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massive censorship and the penalties for speaking your mind would be,
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you know, find imprisonment or death. And they're like, we
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really don't like that. We want that to not be
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the case in America. So then they you know, freedom speech.
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So you've just posted you are the media citizen.
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Citizen journalism, I mean, really becoming more and more important
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in the States of media.
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And you see it with the with the wildfires here.
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Yeah, exactly.
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It really takes the citizens to report and tell people.
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Yes, yeah, actually, you think of it like before there
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was before the Internet, you kind of had to have
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the what I call legacy media, of which which is
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you have to have some aggregation points where you know
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that you know, have reporters going and go and find
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things out. Then they would come to they would go
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to to to their office, they would write up articles.
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They would then print those articles on paper. That paper
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would then be distributed and it was kind of the
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only it was the only way to know what was
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going on. But it was very slow, especially in the
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old days.
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You know.
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I think when.
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Like when when Lincoln Lincoln was assassinated, I think it
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took like three weeks for the that needs to reach
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Asio or something like that.
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You know.
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And in fact, in the old days, like you wouldn't
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even know that your country had gone to war because
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it would take like a month for the fact, hey
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where or to reach your village.
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We learned about Perrel Harbor because we decoded the Japanese.
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I didn't know that we decoded their their their cyber system, right,
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I mean, that's how we actually learned about about it. Yeah,
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and and you know we have just if I can
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squeeze in, I just got three minutes here.
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It's fine if you got a little longer if you want, Okay.
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Thank you.
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I uh so, just I got three questions in from
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the audience that Dan Gardner and Toby Daniels avon Discourse
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Head want to know do you think the Internet sucks?
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And what do you think we need to.
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I mean, the content on the Internet or your Internet connection,
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because that starlink can help you on the Internet connection.
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Starling is very for Internet connectivity, so you know, especially
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for like places that have bad connectivity impact. I think
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stollic Is is really having a significant effect in terms
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of lifting people out of poverty. In fact, in many
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parts of the world where people have a product that
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they want to sell but if they don't have an
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Internet connection, they can't do it, or if they want
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to learn things like basically you can learn anything on
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the Internet for free, like mi T has all these
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lectures that are available for free on the Internet, which
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you need an Internet interet connection. And so once you
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have an Internet connection, you've you've got access to education,
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you've got access to a golden market. So I think
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it's it's very significant how connectivity makes difference in people's lives,
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you know, with with respect to maybe a question was
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geared at like is there too much negativity on the Internet.
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The I think at times there is there is too
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much negativity, and.
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You know, actually on the X platform, I propose like, well,
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we were going to tweak the algorithm to be a
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bit more positive, and then people got to upset about
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me for that, I'm like.
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Like, okay, like what do you guys want? You know?
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Well, actually the second question from exact Moffitts or Target
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victory was how do you make pessimism uncool again? So
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I think it's maybe exactly what you're saying, which is that,
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you know, it's become people people are afraid. You know,
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this used to be a can do nation. Yeah, always
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very positive, and now now the country when I ask
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if we're on the right track or the wrong track,
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they never say that we're on the right track anymore.
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Okay, well, I hope hopefully, you know, hopefully with this.
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You know, I'm actually pretty optimistic about the next four
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or five years. I think we're actually gonna I think
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we have the potential for a golden age. So we
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need to It's very important to get rid of of
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of the mountain of regulations that are holding things back.
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And I don't mean there's there's some good regulations, but
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there's just so much that we just can't get anything done.
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I mean, you take sort of.
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The California wildfires for example. We really need to have
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fire breaks, and we need to clear the brush back
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away from houses and uh, and we need to make
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sure the reservoirs are full. These are all kind of
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obvious things. But but but due to a bunch of
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environmental rulings, you can't actually do that in California. So
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they're not allowed to do the five breaks, and they're
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not allowed to push the brush back away from houses
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because it might it might hurt some like red legged
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frog or something like that. You know, it's like some
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sort of creature that usually a creature you've never heard of,
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that is preventing this from occurring. You know, there's this
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is there's like this fish called the smelt, for example,
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and so there's so we have far more fresh water
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run off into the ocean than than we should really
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be on the theory that it helps this one little
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fish that likes a slightly briny freshwater sold water mix,
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and if if we if we, if we keep more
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fresh water than the smelled fish will will not be happy.
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But there's no actual evidence that that the smells fish
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is going to be unhappy if we if we keep
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a bit more fresh water.
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In fact, so we should we should.
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Keep more fresh water, keep the reservoirs full, and and
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and just have some sensible fire breaks and move the
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rush away from houses. That's just an example of like
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we've saved a lot of trouble and a lot of
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tragedy in l A if we've done that.
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So you know, and and yeah, I think.
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I think AI and robotics is going to lead to
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a higher standard of living for for people beyond what
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they can imagine. So AI doctors and medicine that are
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pretty incredible.
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So that's the fin the final question, she says from
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from uh.
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Catherine heritage heritage, I got there right, Uh, if if
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all the robots and everything freeze up time for humans,
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what is it they will do with that time? Or
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what can we ask them to do with that time?
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And I think that's it. Yes, grounds out the circle
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of technology.
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Yeah, I guess it would be a bit like being retired. Yeah,
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I mean this that does will take a few years,
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but at some point if this, if as AI gets
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as AI and roboties get better, eventually a I will
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be able to do everything that humans can do. So
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any task you do will be optional, like it'll be
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like a hobby or you know. So now it just
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big question like well, this will our lives lives have meaning?
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If the computers and the robots can do everything better
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than we can.
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And.
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That is that a real question.
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I do wonder about that myself myself, and that's maybe
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that's why we need the new link so we can
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enhance you in capability so we can keep up with.
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Yeah.
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Well, I just want to thank you for well, it's
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obviously incredibly optimistic view about technology and where it's going.
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I feel reassured that the kind of leaps that that
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are going to be made, particular what you're working on,
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are just incredible in the next few years, not not
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decades away, but right really very closely talked in terms
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of years consistently, and very thankful for that. And uh
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and I think that that's you know, absolutely tremendous message
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here at the you know, where we are in Las
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Vegas kind of studying what what technology is going to
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be available to people and UH and really again, thank
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you for the tremendous role in opening up free speech.
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Uh and for the role that that X and you know,
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Linda is playing in terms of that.
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I know that we're we're working to get full recognition
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by everyone of the of the platform as it should be,
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because free speech is is I think the proper the
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proper way to go.
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Yeah, I think it unbalanced is good.
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And you know, one of the things that create conceptually
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with the X platform is like it's like a global consciousness.
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It's like collective conscious consciousness of humanity. Now, if you
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have a collective consciousness of humanity, well you're going to
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get every aspect of humanity, good and bad. That's just
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naturally what happens. So but I, you know, I do
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want it to be a good and productive thing. And
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you know that aspiration is to maximize unregretted user minutes.
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So like you spend time on the platform, it's like, well,
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did you regret it.
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Or not regret it? And we want to maximize unregretted
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user time.
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Well, and I always go back, you know, I always
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say that everything in technology was either in the jet sense.
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Likely justice. You know, it's either in Star Trek or
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the Jetsons more or less right.
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But the one thing that was never predicted in any
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book that I could find is social media. So uh,
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it's the one thing that they really is no book
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built around how social media would develop, how it would
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really impact society, how we move political movements and so forth.
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And it's interesting that everybody missed that in their in
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their projections, and so I guess the last closest cause
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the question maybe.
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Is is what do you want X to be and
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where is that platform going to go?
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And I think that well, I mean, I do want
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XP force for good. That exactly, so I do want
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XP a force for good. And and I do view
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it as as sort of like the group mind humanity,
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and we want to have a sort of a healthy, happy,
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insane group mind versus the opposite. And I mean or yeah, so,
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and and I want it to be just like the
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best source of truth, like if you're trying to understand
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what's going on in the world, that it has the
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most most accurate, the most up to date information about
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anything large or small. So so it gives you the
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best understanding of what's going on in the world, you know, anywhere, anytime.
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Yeah, perfect, Thank you. Any any closing thought you want
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to leave us with other rise I've brother.
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Thank you for being so generous with your high they welcome.
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I think I would encourage people to be optimistic about
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the future. I think it is much more likely to
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be good than bad. So that's my prediction. Thank you,
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all right, Thanks guys,
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Chairman of Stagwell here with Linda Yakarino and an assembled
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group of about twenty five cmos of major corporations here
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at Cees during the CEES to really see the latest
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in technology. And we're graced with Elon Musk who has
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contented to give us some of his time to answer
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some of these really burning questions about technology's going to
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develop and change our lives, and some of his interactions
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with the government may also change.
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Our lives as well.
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Yeah, and so if I might start off with kind
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of a big overall question and I'll do some questions
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and then we'll get some questions in from the group.
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You know, I have to say that I've been actually
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a Tesla owner for many years.
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Thank you.
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Clearly you're clearly someone of a great taste.
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Well, I will say that I drove from Miami to
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Fort Laurida Vale to meet my brother for dinner, about forty.
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Miles and I did not touch I touched the wheel.
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But let me tell you that the test.
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The Chaudrove itself is what you're saying, and you do
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not need to intervene.
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It did not need me for this entire ride.
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Yeah, it's pretty magical. It's like like when you tell
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people that they have not experienced it, they don't believe you.
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You know, yeah, yes, And I didn't believe me either
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because I've been a skeptic about how far it would go.
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And your latest releases of software are you know, really incredible,
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So thank you for people to try them. As a
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big question, and in that thing coming in the next decade,
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what do you think is going to be the greatest
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advances in technology that will affect people's lives? What should
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they be affecting to see here from technology in their lives?
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Okay, well, I don't want to blow your minds, but
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AI is going to be big. I feel confident for
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that prediction. But you know, the funny thing is, if
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you go back even five years ago, certainly ten years ago,
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if ten years ago, even fifteen years ago, I was saying,
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is can be like this massive thing that has deep
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super intelligence, smarter than the smartest human People thought I
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was kidding, and I thought that that's ridiculous. There's no
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way computer's going to be smarter than a human. I'd
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be able to do all these complicated things.
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And now.
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You know the it's it's the latest AIS are able
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to pass complicated tests better than most humans. Like they
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can pass the medical tests better than than like eighty
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percent of doctors or something. Know they can AI can
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diagnose radiography better than most people who have been doing
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it their whole life. So that that's that's just accelerating obviously,
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I think probably if you haven't seen Jensen's talk, it's
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it's excellent and it really shows how much AI is advancing,
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and it's advancing on the.
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In terms of data, this is like the new sort
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of thing is synthetic data because we've actually run out
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of all the books and literally run out of you
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take the entire Internet and all books ever written, and
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all interesting videos, like like you don't need a thousand
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cat videos that are exactly the same, but all the
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interesting videos and and you sort of just strole that
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down into tokens essentially bits of information, and you've we've
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now exhausted all of the but basically that the cumulative
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some of human knowledge has been.
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That happened basically last last year, and so the only
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way to then supplement that is with synthetic data, where
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the AI creates, it'll sort of write an essay or
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we'll come up with the thesis, and then and then
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and then it will grade itself and and and and
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sort of go through this process of self learning with
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synthetic data, which is which is always challenging because how
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do you know it? How do you know if hallucinated
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the answer or it's a real answer. So it's challenging
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to find the ground truth. But but it is pretty
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well that AI at this point has run out of
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all human knowledge to train on.
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I know that you're building for for the largest AI
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center on the planet we already have. Yeah, it's an
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operation Microsoft.
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Is planning eighty billion dollars or I used to work.
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For But there's a lot of money by anyone's standards.
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Really, you know, I mean, you know, I did a
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poll and we asked, there's AI making a difference in
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your life today? Thirteen percent said yes, and they said
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in five years from now, will AI make a difference
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in your life? Eighty seven percent expect in five years
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who will make a difference?
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What is a gigantic difference?
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Okay, what is it going to do for people?
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Is it going to be anything?
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You want to work right A I will do anything
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you want and even suggest things you never even thought of.
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will be able to do any cognitive task like it
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obviously begs the question what are we all going to do?
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You know, but pretty much any cognitive task that doesn't
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involve atoms AI will be able to do within i'd
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say max. Three or four years maximum. And then now
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then the another elements of it is the robotics is
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that you need, so you can't just be thinking. I
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can't just be thinking in it's in in a data center.
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It's going to do things. That's where you need the robots.
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So and you need you know, self driving cars, which
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obviously you've experienced, and and and that that rate of
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improvement is exponential in how good the self driving cars are.
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better than human driving in about three months basically the
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having a probability of accident that is better than the
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average experienced driver.
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And then and then it'll keep going from there.
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Ultimately, I think it's going to be ten times safer
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than a human driver and then one hundred times safer,
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like it's to.
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The point where really it just won't crash.
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Yeah. So and that's so, and that's happening this year
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with with Tesla. So Tesla and and and this is
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a software update to you know, our cars. So as
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you experienced yourself, it's the same car, it's got a
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software update, and suddenly it's way smarter at driving.
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Well, let me let me try a few timelines then,
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because you know, look, I'm not the youngest guy around,
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so I want to.
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Technology stand up for what he is young.
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Uh get older every year as I get older.
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I used to build computers and kids right when when
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you couldn't buy them yet, And I don't have to
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do that anymore. And so self driving some timeline self
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driving cars, certified government certified self drive you think will
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be within a year.
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Well, I mean there already are autonomous you know, in
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small in some regions, like Wemo has autonomous vehicles with
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no one in it, but they're limited to like if
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you sait Is in the U s that the Tesla solution,
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humanoid humanoid robots. So I think probably most people, if
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billion humanoid robots, and you know, the it's it's not
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twenty two degrees of freedom. It looks and feels like
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a human hand. And you know, we're aiming to have
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several thousand of those built this year. Initially we'll we'll
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next year. So we'll aim to do maybe fifty to
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x at again the following year. It's like five hundred
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this in terms of Roman legions. How many legions of
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robot so we have, Like a Roman legion.
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uncrewed spacecraft to Mars in two years. So Earth and
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the creator count. And if those land safely, then maybe
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Glack toic Go or something, you know, the sort of
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colony ships departing altogether with these like bright points of
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the point where Mars is self sustaining. So the point
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of which Mars is self sustaining, which is really defined
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that Mars can continue to grow. So if there's something
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a multiplanets civilization, And we don't want to be one
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of those lame one planet civilizations.
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body connection so they're a tetroplegic or paraphlegic or uh
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read the motor cortex of the brain and say that
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the cursor on the screen. And it enables enables people
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to control their computer or their phone just by thinking.
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the optic nerve, or if they've never they've been blind
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from birth, we can interface directly with the visual cortex
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enabling people to control devices, and ultimately we think if
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the signals from the brain past the where essentially the
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sustained bandwidth of a human is less than one but
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per second over twenty four hour period, So this eighty
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six four hundred seconds in a day, and the average
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human put outputs.
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early as after.
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It, And let's kind of bring us down to earth
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for a question on DOGE.
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We did balance the budget in two years.
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Well, it didn't last very long because it's got blown
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up very quickly. Have you identified some cuts that you're
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really that you're really looking at, that you think will
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be successful. Do you think the two trillion is is
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a realistic number now that you're looking more closely at it.
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two trillion. I think that's like the best case outcome.
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have some overage. I think if we try for two trillion,
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we can get drop the budget deficit from two trillion
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Kind of free up the economy.
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of goods and services it keeps pace with the increase
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in the money supply, then there will be no inflation.
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as you as you know, it's it's a it's a
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very target rich environment for saving money. Like if you
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if you look at any direction, it's like it was like,
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where will you find places to save money? I'm like,
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it's like being in a room full oft targets, Like
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you could close your eyes and you can't miss. So
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there's just a lot of waste in government because especially
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the federal government, you just got a situation where that
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the checks never bounce, like they've got like the infinite
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money computer and uh and and then the the people
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that spend the money are not the people. It's it's
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not their money, you know, it's it's it's very very
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hard for people to care about spending someone else's money.
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just as a matter of principles, spending money effectively, and
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they try to do so and they can't. The system
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prevents them from doing so. And then and they even
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get told to do crazy things as against probably sounds familiar,
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where you get towards the end of the budget cycle
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budget and even on on nonsense stuff because if they
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don't spend their budget, the budget gets reduced. So it's
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actually sort of sort of a perverse incentive to waste money,
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and and and then they kind of get punished for
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not wasting money. So it's totally bananas.
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how government used to do things. So if you take
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the Brooklyn Bridge or the Lincoln Tunnel, and you yeah, inflation,
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the infrastructure bill should actually get you four thousand adjusted
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breakage Lincoln Tunnels, which, of course, of course it's not
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because government is right, does it used to be?
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laws and regulations that may basically any large project essentially
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illegal and uh and uh and and even if you've
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tried to do you've better satisfied. You better to spend
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way more money on the paperwork than on the thing itself.
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this there's there's an element of like dose, which is
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very important, which is looking at regulations and and getting
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rid of ones that where the the the harm is
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worse than the good, like you say, like, well, any
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given regulations like okay, there's some.
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what's that ratio? Is it?
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frankly it just completely nonsensical. And we want to get
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rid of nonsensical regulations that do not serve the public good.
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this effort. There. They're behind it, they're they're optimistic.
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before I get one or two other questions out there,
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which is obviously Mark Zuckerberg made an amazing one.
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An eighty degree term.
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What's your reaction to what he did and his acknowledgment
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frankly that the government was in fact censoring things, or
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he was censoring things, or the government or some combination thereof.
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had a two week auto delete.
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which doesn't sound legal.
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and I don't know, there was just a lot of
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censoring going on. And I think you I feel very
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strongly that the you have to have freedom of speech
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to have a functioning democracy. You know, if you don't
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have freedom of speech, freedom expression, then how do you
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know what's really going on? And and if you can't
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make an inform vote then you don't have you don't
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have a real democracy. So it's you know, just that's
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incredibly important too. I think listen to the wisdom of
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the founders of the country and say, why why did
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they make that the first amendment? You know, and and
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it's what they did it for a reason. It's because
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they came from places where, uh that where there was
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massive censorship and the penalties for speaking your mind would be,
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you know, find imprisonment or death. And they're like, we
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really don't like that. We want that to not be
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the case in America. So then they you know, freedom speech.
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So you've just posted you are the media citizen.
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Citizen journalism, I mean, really becoming more and more important
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in the States of media.
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And you see it with the with the wildfires here.
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Yeah, exactly.
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It really takes the citizens to report and tell people.
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Yes, yeah, actually, you think of it like before there
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was before the Internet, you kind of had to have
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the what I call legacy media, of which which is
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you have to have some aggregation points where you know
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that you know, have reporters going and go and find
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things out. Then they would come to they would go
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to to to their office, they would write up articles.
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They would then print those articles on paper. That paper
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would then be distributed and it was kind of the
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only it was the only way to know what was
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going on. But it was very slow, especially in the
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old days.
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You know.
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I think when.
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Like when when Lincoln Lincoln was assassinated, I think it
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took like three weeks for the that needs to reach
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Asio or something like that.
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You know.
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And in fact, in the old days, like you wouldn't
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even know that your country had gone to war because
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it would take like a month for the fact, hey
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where or to reach your village.
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We learned about Perrel Harbor because we decoded the Japanese.
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I didn't know that we decoded their their their cyber system, right,
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I mean, that's how we actually learned about about it. Yeah,
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and and you know we have just if I can
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squeeze in, I just got three minutes here.
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It's fine if you got a little longer if you want, Okay.
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Thank you.
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I uh so, just I got three questions in from
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the audience that Dan Gardner and Toby Daniels avon Discourse
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Head want to know do you think the Internet sucks?
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And what do you think we need to.
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I mean, the content on the Internet or your Internet connection,
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because that starlink can help you on the Internet connection.
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Starling is very for Internet connectivity, so you know, especially
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for like places that have bad connectivity impact. I think
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stollic Is is really having a significant effect in terms
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of lifting people out of poverty. In fact, in many
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parts of the world where people have a product that
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they want to sell but if they don't have an
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Internet connection, they can't do it, or if they want
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to learn things like basically you can learn anything on
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the Internet for free, like mi T has all these
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lectures that are available for free on the Internet, which
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you need an Internet interet connection. And so once you
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have an Internet connection, you've you've got access to education,
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you've got access to a golden market. So I think
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it's it's very significant how connectivity makes difference in people's lives,
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you know, with with respect to maybe a question was
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geared at like is there too much negativity on the Internet.
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The I think at times there is there is too
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much negativity, and.
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You know, actually on the X platform, I propose like, well,
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we were going to tweak the algorithm to be a
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bit more positive, and then people got to upset about
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me for that, I'm like.
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Like, okay, like what do you guys want? You know?
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Well, actually the second question from exact Moffitts or Target
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victory was how do you make pessimism uncool again? So
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I think it's maybe exactly what you're saying, which is that,
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you know, it's become people people are afraid. You know,
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this used to be a can do nation. Yeah, always
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very positive, and now now the country when I ask
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if we're on the right track or the wrong track,
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they never say that we're on the right track anymore.
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Okay, well, I hope hopefully, you know, hopefully with this.
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You know, I'm actually pretty optimistic about the next four
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or five years. I think we're actually gonna I think
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we have the potential for a golden age. So we
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need to It's very important to get rid of of
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of the mountain of regulations that are holding things back.
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And I don't mean there's there's some good regulations, but
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there's just so much that we just can't get anything done.
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I mean, you take sort of.
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The California wildfires for example. We really need to have
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fire breaks, and we need to clear the brush back
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away from houses and uh, and we need to make
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sure the reservoirs are full. These are all kind of
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obvious things. But but but due to a bunch of
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environmental rulings, you can't actually do that in California. So
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they're not allowed to do the five breaks, and they're
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not allowed to push the brush back away from houses
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because it might it might hurt some like red legged
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frog or something like that. You know, it's like some
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sort of creature that usually a creature you've never heard of,
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that is preventing this from occurring. You know, there's this
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is there's like this fish called the smelt, for example,
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and so there's so we have far more fresh water
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run off into the ocean than than we should really
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be on the theory that it helps this one little
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fish that likes a slightly briny freshwater sold water mix,
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and if if we if we, if we keep more
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fresh water than the smelled fish will will not be happy.
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But there's no actual evidence that that the smells fish
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is going to be unhappy if we if we keep
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a bit more fresh water.
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In fact, so we should we should.
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Keep more fresh water, keep the reservoirs full, and and
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and just have some sensible fire breaks and move the
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rush away from houses. That's just an example of like
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we've saved a lot of trouble and a lot of
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tragedy in l A if we've done that.
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So you know, and and yeah, I think.
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I think AI and robotics is going to lead to
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a higher standard of living for for people beyond what
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they can imagine. So AI doctors and medicine that are
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pretty incredible.
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So that's the fin the final question, she says from
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from uh.
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Catherine heritage heritage, I got there right, Uh, if if
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all the robots and everything freeze up time for humans,
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what is it they will do with that time? Or
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what can we ask them to do with that time?
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And I think that's it. Yes, grounds out the circle
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of technology.
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Yeah, I guess it would be a bit like being retired. Yeah,
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I mean this that does will take a few years,
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but at some point if this, if as AI gets
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as AI and roboties get better, eventually a I will
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be able to do everything that humans can do. So
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any task you do will be optional, like it'll be
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like a hobby or you know. So now it just
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big question like well, this will our lives lives have meaning?
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If the computers and the robots can do everything better
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than we can.
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And.
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That is that a real question.
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I do wonder about that myself myself, and that's maybe
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that's why we need the new link so we can
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enhance you in capability so we can keep up with.
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Yeah.
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Well, I just want to thank you for well, it's
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obviously incredibly optimistic view about technology and where it's going.
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I feel reassured that the kind of leaps that that
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are going to be made, particular what you're working on,
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are just incredible in the next few years, not not
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decades away, but right really very closely talked in terms
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of years consistently, and very thankful for that. And uh
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and I think that that's you know, absolutely tremendous message
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here at the you know, where we are in Las
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Vegas kind of studying what what technology is going to
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be available to people and UH and really again, thank
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you for the tremendous role in opening up free speech.
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Uh and for the role that that X and you know,
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Linda is playing in terms of that.
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I know that we're we're working to get full recognition
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by everyone of the of the platform as it should be,
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because free speech is is I think the proper the
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proper way to go.
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Yeah, I think it unbalanced is good.
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And you know, one of the things that create conceptually
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with the X platform is like it's like a global consciousness.
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It's like collective conscious consciousness of humanity. Now, if you
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have a collective consciousness of humanity, well you're going to
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get every aspect of humanity, good and bad. That's just
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naturally what happens. So but I, you know, I do
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want it to be a good and productive thing. And
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you know that aspiration is to maximize unregretted user minutes.
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So like you spend time on the platform, it's like, well,
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did you regret it.
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Or not regret it? And we want to maximize unregretted
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user time.
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Well, and I always go back, you know, I always
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say that everything in technology was either in the jet sense.
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Likely justice. You know, it's either in Star Trek or
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the Jetsons more or less right.
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But the one thing that was never predicted in any
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book that I could find is social media. So uh,
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it's the one thing that they really is no book
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built around how social media would develop, how it would
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really impact society, how we move political movements and so forth.
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And it's interesting that everybody missed that in their in
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their projections, and so I guess the last closest cause
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the question maybe.
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Is is what do you want X to be and
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where is that platform going to go?
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And I think that well, I mean, I do want
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XP force for good. That exactly, so I do want
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XP a force for good. And and I do view
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it as as sort of like the group mind humanity,
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and we want to have a sort of a healthy, happy,
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insane group mind versus the opposite. And I mean or yeah, so,
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and and I want it to be just like the
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best source of truth, like if you're trying to understand
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what's going on in the world, that it has the
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most most accurate, the most up to date information about
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anything large or small. So so it gives you the
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best understanding of what's going on in the world, you know, anywhere, anytime.
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Yeah, perfect, Thank you. Any any closing thought you want
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to leave us with other rise I've brother.
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Thank you for being so generous with your high they welcome.
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I think I would encourage people to be optimistic about
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the future. I think it is much more likely to
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be good than bad. So that's my prediction. Thank you,
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all right, Thanks guys,
