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apartment. 46 00:03:46,288.04887506 --> 00:03:47,998.04939004 They’re always coming from somewhere else. 47 00:03:48,498.04939004 --> 00:03:54,628.04923813 And what’s important for our listeners here in Minnesota—this isn’t just some abstract national idea. 48 00:03:55,293.04939071 --> 00:03:58,643.04929535 The Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis has looked at this too. 49 00:03:59,143.04929535 --> 00:04:06,183.0492572 In 2024, the Minneapolis Fed published a piece called “How New Apartments Create Opportunities for All.” 50 00:04:06,833.04935257 --> 00:04:09,613.04956238 And it reaches the same conclusion using local data. 51 00:04:10,255.54929535 --> 00:04:16,95.54944794 Their research shows that when new apartments get built—even market-rate ones—it frees up housing across the market. 52 00:04:16,395.54916183 --> 00:04:17,115.54942886 People move. 53 00:04:17,375.54918091 --> 00:04:18,285.54902832 Units open up. 54 00:04:18,595.54944794 --> 00:04:19,615.54895202 Pressure eases. 55 00:04:20,115.54895202 --> 00:04:29,45.54878036 In a market like the Twin Cities—where vacancy is tight almost everywhere—that kind of movement can be the difference between a waitlist and an actual option. 56 00:04:29,903.04874155 --> 00:04:35,173.04893295 So when we talk about filtering today, we’re not just relying on one economist or one study. 57 00:04:35,723.04864685 --> 00:04:40,373.04874222 We’ve got national research and Minnesota-based analysis pointing in the same direction. 58 00:04:40,873.04874222 --> 00:04:44,63.04879944 Which makes this a really good moment to zoom in locally. 59 00:04:45,13.0486087 --> 00:04:47,183.048685 So let’s walk through this with a Minnesota lens. 60 00:04:47,935.54874222 --> 00:04:51,485.54869453 Picture a new apartment building opening in the North Loop, or in St. 61 00:04:51,485.54869453 --> 00:04:55,895.54878036 Louis Park near the Green Line extension, or downtown Rochester near Mayo. 62 00:04:56,535.54912369 --> 00:04:57,305.54862778 It’s market-rate. 63 00:04:57,985.54893295 --> 00:04:58,385.54855148 New. 64 00:04:58,765.54866592 --> 00:05:01,185.54874222 Probably nicer than what a lot of people currently live in. 65 00:05:02,185.54874222 --> 00:05:03,75.54872791 Someone moves in. 66 00:05:03,665.54876129 --> 00:05:12,95.54858963 That person might be a nurse, an engineer, a dual-income household—someone who could have stayed in their older apartment, but now doesn’t need to. 67 00:05:12,928.04874155 --> 00:05:19,288.0486087 So they leave behind a unit—maybe in South Minneapolis, or Brooklyn Center, or an older building in Burnsville. 68 00:05:19,788.0486087 --> 00:05:21,828.04857055 That unit then becomes available. 69 00:05:22,288.0486087 --> 00:05:32,438.04822723 And the next renter is often someone with fewer options—maybe a slightly lower income, maybe a family that’s been trying to move closer to work, maybe someone doubling up before. 70 00:05:33,313.0486087 --> 00:05:35,153.04864208 Then they leave a unit behind. 71 00:05:35,403.04852287 --> 00:05:37,443.04872314 And that unit gets filled by someone else. 72 00:05:38,393.04860803 --> 00:05:39,793.04855625 And that’s the part people miss. 73 00:05:40,423.04855148 --> 00:05:43,643.04881851 It’s not about whether the new building itself is affordable. 74 00:05:43,993.04872314 --> 00:05:46,153.04857055 It’s about how many moves it unlocks. 75 00:05:47,100.5486087 --> 00:05:47,800.54859678 Exactly. 76 00:05:48,230.54860393 --> 00:05:53,170.54878036 Mast’s research shows that these migration chains don’t stop at higher-income neighborhoods. 77 00:05:53,700.54851333 --> 00:05:58,400.54879944 Within just a few rounds of moves, they reach middle-income and lower-income areas. 78 00:05:59,50.5486087 --> 00:06:00,980.54855625 And importantly—this doesn’t take decades. 79 00:06:01,480.54855625 --> 00:06:02,740.54851877 Yeah, that surprised me. 80 00:06:03,160.54859507 --> 00:06:07,710.5487858 A lot of people assume filtering only happens when buildings get old and worn down. 81 00:06:08,650.54855692 --> 00:06:13,460.5484997 But the study shows that most of the measurable impact happens within about five years. 82 00:06:13,950.54874766 --> 00:06:15,720.54872858 That’s fast in housing terms. 83 00:06:16,488.04855692 --> 00:06:20,548.0484997 Which matters a lot in Minnesota, because we’ve been underbuilding for years. 84 00:06:21,58.04872858 --> 00:06:24,188.04836619 We don’t have the luxury of waiting decades for relief. 85 00:06:24,688.04836619 --> 00:06:25,438.04836619 Exactly. 86 00:06:25,998.04830897 --> 00:06:39,958.04882395 Think about the pressure points we talk about all the time—rising rents in first-ring suburbs, limited options for workforce housing, long waitlists in Greater Minnesota communities where one new employer can throw the whole market out of balance. 87 00:06:40,458.04882395 --> 00:06:45,148.04888117 Filtering helps explain why adding supply in one place can relieve pressure in another. 88 00:06:45,648.04888117 --> 00:06:47,748.0487858 And the study actually puts numbers to this. 89 00:06:48,698.04883349 --> 00:06:58,808.04872858 Mast estimates that for every 100 new market-rate units built, a substantial number of households are effectively pulled out of lower-income housing through these chains. 90 00:06:59,308.04872858 --> 00:07:01,958.04882395 Right—and this is the stat that really sticks with me. 91 00:07:02,458.04882395 --> 00:07:15,68.04848063 Mast found that within about five years, those chains of moves result in roughly 70 new apartment openings for renters in lower-income neighborhoods—for every 100 new market-rate units that get built. 92 00:07:15,568.04848063 --> 00:07:16,168.04850447 Seventy. 93 00:07:16,278.04845917 --> 00:07:18,668.04838526 That’s not theoretical—that’s measured movement. 94 00:07:18,968.04857599 --> 00:07:22,728.04832804 Real people, real apartments, opening up relatively quickly. 95 00:07:23,305.54848063 -->

00:07:24,615.54842341 And that timing matters. 96 00:07:25,235.54842817 --> 00:07:28,595.54844248 This isn’t a 30-year wait-for-the-building-to-age scenario. 97 00:07:29,55.54848063 --> 00:07:33,375.54817545 The pressure relief shows up within a few years—when communities actually need it. 98 00:07:33,875.54817545 --> 00:07:39,415.5481373 Which is huge for Minnesota, because we’re dealing with tight markets right now, not hypothetical ones. 99 00:07:39,915.5481373 --> 00:07:46,885.5479275 The idea is that when someone moves out of an older, more affordable unit, it has a similar effect to adding a new unit at that price point. 100 00:07:47,535.54802286 --> 00:07:48,555.54848063 Demand drops. 101 00:07:48,735.54783213 --> 00:07:49,965.54832804 Competition eases. 102 00:07:50,465.54832804 --> 00:07:51,835.54833281 Again—not a silver bullet. 103 00:07:52,245.54829943 --> 00:07:53,285.54826128 But not nothing either. 104 00:07:54,78.04832804 --> 00:07:54,728.0483042 Exactly. 105 00:07:55,168.04836142 --> 00:07:59,958.04844248 And this brings us back to something we talked about a few weeks ago when we revisited Housing Solutions. 106 00:08:00,803.04832804 --> 00:08:02,723.04828512 That episode focused heavily on supply. 107 00:08:02,913.04822313 --> 00:08:06,923.0482136 Why Minnesota needs more housing—of all types, in all places. 108 00:08:07,590.54832804 --> 00:08:10,500.54841387 Filtering is the missing middle of that conversation. 109 00:08:10,960.5482136 --> 00:08:16,650.54874766 It’s the mechanism that explains how supply actually improves affordability beyond the building itself. 110 00:08:17,150.54874766 --> 00:08:20,240.54866182 And it also explains why blocking new housing can backfire. 111 00:08:20,562.74798136 --> 00:08:29,883.14327533 If that North Loop building doesn’t get built… If that Rochester project gets delayed… If that suburban infill development gets downsized… Then the chain never starts. 112 00:08:30,406.5080702 --> 00:08:30,966.50807259 Exactly. 113 00:08:31,256.50809404 --> 00:08:32,936.50804159 No first move, means no second move. 114 00:08:32,966.50801298 --> 00:08:33,666.50806066 No openings. 115 00:08:33,666.50806066 --> 00:08:34,676.50805113 No pressure relief. 116 00:08:34,951.33913532 --> 00:08:38,771.33906856 Everything stays tight—and in tight markets, rents rise everywhere. 117 00:08:39,626.33913532 --> 00:08:41,726.33903995 Which is something we’ve seen play out in Minnesota. 118 00:08:42,336.33917347 --> 00:08:48,226.33951679 When construction slows—whether because of zoning, regulation, or uncertainty—prices don’t freeze. 119 00:08:48,456.33905902 --> 00:08:49,76.33894458 They climb. 120 00:08:49,576.33894458 --> 00:08:53,16.33897386 And this is where filtering really challenges some common narratives. 121 00:08:53,516.33897386 --> 00:08:58,656.33884035 There’s a tendency to say, “That building isn’t for low-income renters, so it doesn’t help them.” 122 00:08:59,156.33884035 --> 00:09:02,416.33883081 But the research shows that housing markets are interconnected. 123 00:09:02,846.33889757 --> 00:09:05,86.33866869 What happens at the top affects the middle. 124 00:09:05,816.33868776 --> 00:09:07,916.33906923 What happens in the middle affects the bottom. 125 00:09:08,416.33906923 --> 00:09:16,766.3394507 And that’s especially true in the Twin Cities, where people move across city lines all the time for schools, jobs, transit, or just a better deal. 126 00:09:17,266.3394507 --> 00:09:17,896.33944593 Exactly. 127 00:09:18,246.33946978 --> 00:09:20,196.33951746 Filtering works because people are mobile. 128 00:09:20,706.33950792 --> 00:09:22,26.33967958 Because markets are regional. 129 00:09:22,296.33966051 --> 00:09:23,836.33962236 Because housing choices are linked. 130 00:09:24,796.33945003 --> 00:09:35,146.33956514 And the study even shows that these chains cross racial and geographic lines—something that’s especially relevant in Minnesota, given our persistent disparities in housing access. 131 00:09:35,646.33956514 --> 00:09:43,776.33941323 So when we talk about equity, filtering isn’t the whole answer—but it’s part of the ecosystem that makes other affordability tools work better. 132 00:09:44,276.33941323 --> 00:09:44,556.33941442 Right. 133 00:09:44,736.33942157 --> 00:09:49,266.33918434 Subsidies, vouchers, preservation, public housing—all of those are still essential. 134 00:09:49,616.33956581 --> 00:09:51,316.33937508 Filtering doesn’t replace them. 135 00:09:52,163.83941323 --> 00:09:55,23.83930832 But without supply, even the best programs struggle. 136 00:09:55,393.8394323 --> 00:09:59,53.83927971 And filtering shows why adding supply helps create breathing room. 137 00:09:59,553.83927971 --> 00:10:04,403.83939482 I think the big takeaway for me is this: filtering is slow, but not invisible. 138 00:10:04,663.83914687 --> 00:10:06,803.83949019 And it’s happening whether we acknowledge it or not. 139 00:10:07,303.83949019 --> 00:10:07,933.83948542 Exactly. 140 00:10:08,83.83946158 --> 00:10:10,73.83947112 The question isn’t whether filtering works. 141 00:10:10,293.83949973 --> 00:10:12,203.83958556 The research shows that it does. 142 00:10:12,866.33949019 --> 00:10:19,446.3394139 The real question is whether Minnesota will allow enough housing to be built for filtering to actually make a difference. 143 00:10:19,946.3394139 --> 00:10:28,876.33971907 Because when we don’t, the consequences are pretty clear—tight markets, rising rents, fewer options, and more pressure on the people who can least absorb it. 144 00:10:29,376.33971907 --> 00:10:35,916.3398914 So when you hear debates about development, density, or market-rate housing, this is the context that often gets lost. 145 00:10:36,416.3398914 --> 00:10:37,686.33987233 Filtering isn’t flashy. 146 00:10:37,786.33989617 --> 00:10:38,726.33983418 It’s not instant. 147 00:10:39,76.33997723 --> 00:10:44,406.33966252 But it’s real—and

it’s one of the quiet forces shaping affordability across our state right now. 148 00:10:44,906.33966252 --> 00:10:52,46.33952901 And this is exactly why having a strong, coordinated housing industry matters—because these systems don’t fix themselves. 149 00:10:52,843.83966252 --> 00:10:56,333.83967206 Before we head to a quick break, we want to tee up something a little different. 150 00:10:56,833.83967206 --> 00:11:09,293.83944385 Instead of our usual Ask mira and “What’s Happening at MHA,” we’re taking a moment to look back at 2025 By The Numbers, MHA's Annual Dashboard—because when you see it all together, it’s pretty powerful. 151 00:11:09,793.83944385 --> 00:11:11,483.83950107 2025 was a big year. 152 00:11:11,873.83936755 --> 00:11:21,53.83967273 Advocacy at the Capitol, education across the state, innovation with tools like mira—and a lot of behind-the-scenes work that doesn’t always make headlines. 153 00:11:21,973.83944318 --> 00:11:24,113.83952014 And none of it happens without the members. 154 00:11:24,723.83941524 --> 00:11:31,23.83936755 MHA represents over 2,200 members, providing over 300,000 homes across Minnesota. 155 00:11:31,523.83936755 --> 00:11:34,263.83937709 That’s real impact, in real communities—statewide. 156 00:11:35,103.83936688 --> 00:11:42,583.83959644 After the break, we’ll highlight what this community accomplished in 2025 and why it matters heading into the year ahead. 157 00:11:42,870.47877988 --> 00:11:43,550.47878703 Stick with us. 158 00:11:51,714.45201601 --> 00:12:01,672.20701527 Looking to refresh your flooring without the hassle? 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--> 00:15:00,204.32255933 And that advocacy didn’t stay behind closed doors. 190 00:15:00,944.32256887 --> 00:15:08,754.32227323 MHA had 34 media mentions in 2025—helping shape the public narrative around rental housing and housing providers. 191 00:15:09,474.32254026 --> 00:15:15,864.32240674 That matters, because public understanding influences policy, investment, and trust in the industry as a whole. 192 00:15:16,826.82254026 --> 00:15:17,876.82249257 Next up...Innovation. 193 00:15:18,551.82254026 --> 00:15:22,711.82238767 2025 was a year where MHA didn’t just keep up—it pushed forward. 194 00:15:23,381.82246396 --> 00:15:27,161.82219693 The launch of mira, MHA’s AI assistant, is a perfect example. 195 00:15:27,741.82212064 --> 00:15:36,161.82315061 In just a few months, mira answered over four thousand member questions—on compliance, operations, and real-world scenarios members face every day. 196 00:15:36,751.82254026 --> 00:15:38,91.82257364 That’s innovation with purpose. 197 00:15:38,321.82259271 --> 00:15:45,491.82231137 Not technology for technology’s sake—but tools that reduce stress, save time, and help members do their jobs better. 198 00:15:46,281.82253959 --> 00:15:47,441.82259748 And finally, Education. 199 00:15:48,106.82253959 --> 00:15:56,396.82223508 In 2025, nearly 2,000 unique attendees participated in MHA education—classes, conferences, and breakout sessions. 200 00:15:57,6.82284543 --> 00:16:01,816.82231137 Certification numbers continued to grow, strengthening professionalism across the industry. 201 00:16:02,714.32254026 --> 00:16:04,54.32257364 That’s frontline impact. 202 00:16:04,684.32256887 --> 00:16:05,774.32248304 Better-trained teams. 203 00:16:05,774.32248304 --> 00:16:06,744.32275006 Stronger leadership. 204 00:16:06,824.32267377 --> 00:16:07,834.32242582 Higher standards. 205 00:16:08,134.32261655 --> 00:16:10,974.32276914 And ultimately, better housing outcomes for residents. 206 00:16:11,651.82254026 --> 00:16:17,881.82255933 When you step back and look at all four—Information, Advocacy, Innovation, and Education—you see alignment. 207 00:16:18,241.82269284 --> 00:16:20,131.82208249 Each piece reinforces the others. 208 00:16:20,801.82254026 --> 00:16:23,441.82264516 And that’s what membership in MHA really represents. 209 00:16:23,861.82248304 --> 00:16:29,361.82295987 Not just access to benefits—but participation in a healthier, stronger housing ecosystem. 210 00:16:30,214.32254026 --> 00:16:33,324.32243535 When providers are informed, the industry is more stable. 211 00:16:33,654.32259748 --> 00:16:36,664.32234952 When providers are educated, housing quality improves. 212 00:16:37,164.32234952 --> 00:16:40,14.322731 When there’s a unified voice, policy gets smarter. 213 00:16:40,726.8225403 --> 00:16:47,926.8223495 And when the industry is stronger, everyone benefits—housing providers, residents, communities, and Minnesota as a whole. 214 00:16:48,669.3225396 --> 00:16:56,949.3229599 So whether you’ve been part of MHA for years or you’re just beginning to engage, this dashboard is a reminder that being involved matters. 215 00:16:57,719.3225396 --> 00:17:00,189.3225403 A healthy housing system doesn’t happen by accident. 216 00:17:00,539.3224449 --> 00:17:03,769.322464 It happens because people choose to show up—together. 217 00:17:04,576.8225403 --> 00:17:06,266.8225975 That’s it for this episode of The Brief. 218 00:17:06,596.8225212 --> 00:17:10,756.8223686 Thanks for listening—and thank you for being part of the MHA community. 219 00:17:13,402.2839129 --> 00:17:18,972.2840845 This has been The Brief, an original podcast produced by the Minnesota Multi Housing Association. 220 00:17:19,272.2840845 --> 00:17:24,252.2839278 It is hosted by your two favorite AI voices—me, Denise Wilson… …and me, Logan Garcia. 221 00:17:24,552.2839278 --> 00:17:26,532.2839469 Our story editor is Todd Lillgenquist. 222 00:17:26,872.2838611 --> 00:17:29,722.2840041 Aubrey Albrecht is our showrunner and managing producer. 223 00:17:30,202.2840232 --> 00:17:32,512.283966 The Brief’s executive producer is Sesil Smith. 224 00:17:32,872.2836227 --> 00:17:36,802.2839278 Follow and listen on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, mmha.com, 225 00:17:37,82.2836608 --> 00:17:38,852.2841186 and wherever you get your podcasts. 226 00:17:39,152.2841186 --> 00:17:42,792.2841955 And one more big thank-you to Citizens State Bank, our founding sponsor. 227 00:17:43,182.284062 --> 00:17:49,402.2838522 Their support powers this podcast—and their team powers smart financial solutions for Minnesota’s housing providers. 228 00:17:49,732.2837759 --> 00:17:51,462.2842718 Visit csbnet.net 229 00:17:51,802.2844244 --> 00:17:52,502.2842337 to learn more. 230 00:17:52,802.2842337 --> 00:17:53,712.2842599 See you next time!