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WEBVTT 00:00:00.959 --> 00:00:02.000 Trigger warning. 00:00:02.319 --> 00:00:06.000 This episode contains discussion about death and abuse. 00:00:06.240 --> 00:00:08.400 Listener discretion is advised. 00:00:13.039 --> 00:00:14.080 There is cycle people. 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:15.519 There is an associate. 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:20.640 There is a cycle pick. 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:22.000 There is an associate. 00:00:30.879 --> 00:00:32.880 Before we get into the nitty-and-gritty. 00:00:33.280 --> 00:00:35.520 Hello, everybody, and welcome back to Split Screen. 00:00:35.679 --> 00:00:36.640 My name is Kyle Clark. 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:37.920 And I'm Angelica Clark. 00:00:38.079 --> 00:00:45.039 And this is a podcast where we do deep dives in the minds and lives of horror movie villains, suspense thrillers, and true crime stories. 00:00:45.439 --> 00:00:56.159 And I am a licensed clinical therapist, and I will be essentially diagnosing the main character or characters of whatever movie, TV show, or book we are discussing. 00:00:56.640 --> 00:01:00.799 And ladies and gentlemen, let me paint you a picture. 00:01:01.119 --> 00:01:02.079 Alright. 00:01:02.399 --> 00:01:03.359 It's 2 a.m. 00:01:03.520 --> 00:01:04.719 on the LA Freeway. 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:14.239 While the city sleeps, a subculture of freelance camera crews known as stringers race through red lights, monitoring emergency radio frequencies. 00:01:14.400 --> 00:01:15.200 Their goal? 00:01:15.439 --> 00:01:23.599 To film violent crashes, home invasions, and shootings, selling the raw footage to local television stations before the sun. 00:01:24.159 --> 00:01:26.159 Enter Lewis Bloom. 00:01:26.480 --> 00:01:36.879 Unemployed, petty thief, and self-taught through online business jargon, Lou stumbles onto an accident scene and sees a business opportunity. 00:01:37.120 --> 00:01:42.239 He trades a stolen bicycle for a cheap camcorder and a radio scanner. 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:46.400 He learns the golden rule of local news broadcasting. 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:49.439 If it bleeds, it leads. 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:57.840 Today, we will be discussing Dan Gilroy's 2014 psychological thriller, Nightcrawler. 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:07.280 So this is before we get into the nitty and gritty. 00:02:08.319 --> 00:02:12.080 I think this is one of Jake Gyllenhaal's best performances. 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:17.919 The way that he portrays this character is it's it's almost terrifying. 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:21.439 But what did you think about it? 00:02:22.560 --> 00:02:24.080 Well, I agree with you. 00:02:24.240 --> 00:02:26.479 Um, with the sentiment with Jake. 00:02:26.719 --> 00:02:33.039 If you notice, though, a lot of he plays a lot of the same character in a lot of his movies. 00:02:33.280 --> 00:02:33.599 Yeah. 00:02:33.840 --> 00:02:35.360 And he does it great. 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:43.520 Like he does it so well that it's almost like it's hard to tell where the character stops and where Jake starts. 00:02:44.159 --> 00:02:46.000 Um I thought it was a great movie. 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:47.599 I love Jake Dylan Hall. 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:51.199 And I'll watch pretty much anything with Jake Dylan Hall. 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:55.599 We watched it, should we watch it twice in one week? 00:02:55.840 --> 00:02:56.319 Yep. 00:02:56.719 --> 00:03:02.719 And I'm really glad I watched it that second time because there are things I picked up on that I did not pick up on the first time, but I really like the movie. 00:03:02.800 --> 00:03:04.319 I thought it was a great movie. 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:14.159 Yeah, it's it's like it really kind of puts certain things into perspective for you when it comes to the media that you're watching. 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:14.639 Right. 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:18.319 So like we don't we don't really see what's happening in the background. 00:03:18.400 --> 00:03:27.759 We don't get an opportunity to know how things are being traded or information is being given and if it's disinformation or if it's truth. 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:48.400 Jake Gyllenhaal or Lou gives us a really good kind of example as not only what kind of person it would take to do a job like this, I mean, you're essentially selling videos and images of horrific things to television stations to scare the general public. 00:03:48.719 --> 00:03:49.360 Yeah. 00:03:49.840 --> 00:03:52.879 And it takes a special kind of person to do that. 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:58.560 Lou, in a lot of ways, though, is extreme. 00:03:58.960 --> 00:03:59.919 Very much so. 00:04:00.240 --> 00:04:02.639 What do we what do we know about Lou? 00:04:02.879 --> 00:04:22.879 We throughout the film we we see him kind of develop from this nobody trying to panhandle basically like metal, like pothole covers and a couple of other things to seeing this accident, stealing a bike, talking this bike up. 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:31.279 Like you can when he's when he's trying to sell this bike to this person in the pawn shop, it's he has that seller's mentality. 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:42.639 Like, and that's like I think that's kind of what Dan's kind of approach to the the way this character was supposed to be was every car salesman you've ever known. 00:04:42.879 --> 00:04:51.120 Yeah, I can sell you anything, and a person that can do that, it takes a special type of brain. 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:55.759 It reminds me of Jordan Belfort, where he's like, sell me this pen. 00:04:56.079 --> 00:04:59.360 Like that is like Jake Jelangle's character. 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:17.040 And if you haven't seen the movie, Jake is this guy who ends up basically becoming a freelance photographer and records these accidents and stuff and starts staging them to get a better picture of what he's recording so that he can get more money. 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:28.240 And then he hires some homeless guy off the street to give him a job, saying he's a big TV news company, even though he's just him, just to

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have somebody to help him. 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:33.040 And then at the very end, he ends up screwing this guy over and the guy gets killed, you know. 00:05:33.360 --> 00:05:36.480 The entire movie I'm trying to figure out. 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:40.480 The first time I watched it, I'm trying to figure out I'm like, like, who is this guy? 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:41.759 Like what what is he? 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:43.040 Where did he come from? 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:48.160 Like, why is he so obsessed all of a sudden with this one concept? 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:56.639 And I think it's just the obsession with money and fame and being I wouldn't even say fame, I would say recognition. 00:05:56.800 --> 00:05:58.319 Like he likes to see his name. 00:05:58.480 --> 00:06:03.519 Like, I don't know if you've noticed, but there are times when throughout the movie where people are like, oh, who do this? 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:13.439 He's like, it's me, it's Lou Boom, Lou Bloom, you know, and like it's me, I'm over here, you know, or like whenever he tries to talk into the camera, thinking they can hear him and they're like, they can't hear you. 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:15.600 Yeah, he's very egotistical. 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:16.720 Very much so. 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:23.040 Speaking of egotistical, let's just jump right into the DSM, shall we? 00:06:23.279 --> 00:06:23.759 Let's do it. 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:25.519 This one was very easy for me. 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:27.439 It was very cut and dry. 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:33.040 Um, so I have talked about this a couple of times, probably quite a few. 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:40.720 I mean, this is what, episode 14, and probably at least 50% of the people we've talked about have some sort of personality disorder. 00:06:40.879 --> 00:06:41.279 Yep. 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:50.079 There is one specific personality disorder that just jumps out at you almost immediately with this guy, and that is antisocial personality disorder. 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:52.720 I've talked about it before, I'll touch on it again. 00:06:52.959 --> 00:07:02.240 Whenever people hear the term antisocial, they assume that that means they don't like talking to people or that they like to isolate, they like to be by themselves. 00:07:02.319 --> 00:07:10.959 Like the number of times that I have been with a client or a patient who is antisocial, and you tell them you're antisocial, they're like, no, I love people. 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:14.160 You know, I wouldn't say I'm antisocial, I just don't like being around people. 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:15.439 Like, it's not the same thing. 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:19.759 Why it's called antisocial personality disorder, I'm not really sure. 00:07:20.319 --> 00:07:26.720 Because a lot of these people with antisocial personality disorder are very cunning. 00:07:27.040 --> 00:07:28.800 They're very charming. 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:39.759 They they are manipulative, they like to be around people because the

more people they are around, the more people they have to manipulate and to hurt. 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:48.319 And you, as a listener, to kind of give you a very well-known name to base that description off of, it's very Ted Bundy-esque. 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:49.600 Ted Bundy, yes. 00:07:49.680 --> 00:07:52.480 But Ted Bundy was also a narcissist. 00:07:52.879 --> 00:07:54.480 Yes, but he was charming. 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:55.279 He was cunning. 00:07:55.600 --> 00:07:57.759 He thought he was the smartest person in the room. 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:02.399 And he act, I mean, I believe his IQ was at least a hundred and I thought it was like one sixty. 00:08:04.160 --> 00:08:06.240 But also John Wayne Gacy. 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:07.839 That one, yeah. 00:08:08.079 --> 00:08:10.879 He's a yeah, very much antisocial. 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:25.600 Um, and I would almost put if you if you're com like talking about people with antisocial personality disorder, I would almost put John Wayne Gacy higher on that because he's just straight antisocial. 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:28.079 Or ooh, Dennis Rader. 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:31.120 Otherwise known as the BTK killer. 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:33.919 Yeah, our very own. 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:36.320 In Wichititty, Kansas. 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:37.120 Yes. 00:08:37.440 --> 00:08:42.720 Um, but just to kind of give you an idea, so again, I've talked about this before. 00:08:43.039 --> 00:08:48.879 Antisocial personality disorder comes from a cluster of personality disorders. 00:08:49.039 --> 00:08:53.200 There's cluster A, there's cluster B, and then there's cluster C. 00:08:53.519 --> 00:09:02.960 Cluster B, you have antisocial, narcissistic personality disorder, you have histrionic personality disorder, and then you have borderline personality disorder. 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:06.159 But most of the time, people can have traits of each one. 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:23.840 So I really wish there was a general because there is a diagnosis called general personality disorder, which pretty much just says like hey, or like an other specified personality disorder, like they have a personality disorder, we just don't know which one. 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:30.879 But they need to, like, if if it was up to me, they could write a letter to the APA, you know, I'm gonna write a letter. 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:46.480 Um, then I would almost want to add a cluster B personality disorder diagnosis into the DSM because a lot of times they have traits, all of them, and it's really hard to distinguish between one or the other. 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:59.279 Just to give you an idea of what antisocial personality disorder, otherwise known as F60.2, if you want to go with an F code, or if you're going with the ICD code, it's 301.7. 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:11.039 A pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15, as indicated by three or more of the following. 00:10:11.279 --> 00:10:20.080 Disclaimer, this video, well, just kidding, not this video, this movie starts with Jake Gyllenhaal's character as a full-grown adult. 00:10:20.480 --> 00:10:27.039 Okay, so again, wording counts. 00:10:27.200 --> 00:10:35.039 So technically, I can't diagnose him with antisocial personality disorder because I don't know how he was prior to age 15. 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:45.279 I can make him a guess, I can I can make assumptions based on his behavior in the movie, but that is a big big thing is the age. 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:52.799 Like you have to be at least 15 to be able to get this, but I'll get into that some more. 00:10:53.120 --> 00:11:01.679 Failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest. 00:11:02.240 --> 00:11:03.519 Well, let's see here. 00:11:03.840 --> 00:11:08.879 First, what 30 seconds of the movie, he beats up a security guard and takes his watch. 00:11:09.279 --> 00:11:14.159 Yeah, and then he goes and tries to finagle stolen goods out of his car. 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:15.759 And then he steals a bike. 00:11:15.840 --> 00:11:16.080 Yeah. 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:17.840 Tries to sell this bike. 00:11:18.399 --> 00:11:25.200 And then he also moves a dead body to stage a crime scene to look better for the camera. 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:30.080 So I think that's probably that probably hits that first one. 00:11:30.720 --> 00:11:37.039 Deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure. 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:38.480 That's what the entire movie is. 00:11:38.720 --> 00:11:38.960 Yeah. 00:11:39.200 --> 00:11:41.360 He's just conning people to get money. 00:11:41.519 --> 00:11:54.320 I mean, even at the very end, he tells his partner, who's been there with him since day one, like, hey, if you go stand outside where this shooting is definitely going to occur, I promise you'll be safe, and I promise that you'll get half of the money that is going to be given to us. 00:11:54.480 --> 00:11:58.639 But in reality, I'm gonna let you die because I don't want to pay you. 00:11:58.879 --> 00:12:05.120 And the way that he says things, like whenever he told his partner, I could hurt you physically. 00:12:05.279 --> 00:12:24.480 He says it so calmly, or like whenever he's talking to his girlfriend, whatever the hell she is, some lady he works with that he ends up sleeping with for money, I don't know, um, pretty much tells her, like, you know, do you still want to have your business right? 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:29.279 You still want this TV news show to just take off and run. 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:34.559 Well, you're gonna need me, but in order for you to keep me, you're gonna have to sleep with me. 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:39.440 But he says it so calmly and asn't like makes it seem like it's to their benefit. 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:43.360 Yeah, it's it's very spooky how he does that.

00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:51.200 And his on-screen performance portraying that type of situation is it I mean, it can give you goosebumps. 00:12:51.440 --> 00:12:51.840 Yeah. 00:12:52.159 --> 00:12:58.320 So that's already two, and we need three out of seven. 00:12:59.039 --> 00:13:02.399 So we still have five more to read, and he's already hit two of those. 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:05.600 Um impulsivity or failure to plan ahead. 00:13:05.759 --> 00:13:06.960 That one speaks for itself. 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:11.600 I don't think he plans well, I think he does plan some things, but I think a lot of times he doesn't plan anything. 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:12.879 He just goes with it. 00:13:13.039 --> 00:13:13.919 Just goes with the flow. 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:15.360 Yeah, I think you're right. 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:21.200 Irritability and aggressiveness as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults. 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:24.879 That one, not so much, not in the movie anyway. 00:13:25.039 --> 00:13:32.559 Um, he can be verbally aggressive for sure, but it's weird because his verbal aggression again is so calm. 00:13:33.600 --> 00:13:45.840 It's like whenever that guy's trying to recruit him to his team, and he's just like, What I wanna do is I wanna grab you by the ears and I want to scream that I'm not interested. 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:47.519 He says it so calmly. 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:51.759 But instead, I'm gonna go home and do some accounting. 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:52.559 Yeah. 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:54.879 Yeah, that's that's spooky. 00:13:55.120 --> 00:13:56.000 It's yeah. 00:13:56.240 --> 00:14:00.000 Um, reckless disregard for safety of self and others. 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:01.759 Obviously, that's a big one. 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:12.960 He does not give two shits who gets hurt or what happens or who he hurts or what, you know, if anyone dies, as long as he gets his paycheck at the end of the day, he does not care. 00:14:14.080 --> 00:14:21.679 Consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations. 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:34.559 This one is kind of just assumed because he starts the movie with obviously not being able to hold down a job and needing to do odd jobs to be able to pay his bills. 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:48.080 And number seven, lucky number seven, lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another person. 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:50.080 He does a lot of this. 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:54.080 Like especially at the end when his partner dies. 00:14:54.879 --> 00:15:02.559 He in his partner's moments of literal death, he starts to make his partner question his own decisions. 00:15:03.759 --> 00:15:06.480 Yeah, and even like, you know, I had no choice. 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:10.320 You took my bargaining chip power away from me. 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:13.440 And you would have done it again, right? 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:17.200 You know, and his dying words were, I don't know. 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:18.159 I don't know. 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:30.720 Like he's so manipulative to other people that he almost makes it seem like it was their idea or like they are the reason that these bad things are happening to them. 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:47.919 Like whenever the guy from the other news company gets, you know, whenever he destroys their van by cutting the brakes, and the guy's on a gurney, he doesn't say anything to him, but he just looks at him almost like you did this to yourself. 00:15:48.159 --> 00:15:53.519 Well, yeah, and then Bill Paxton's character looks at him like I know you did it. 00:15:53.759 --> 00:15:54.559 Yeah, absolutely. 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:57.039 So it has to meet three out of seven of those. 00:15:57.120 --> 00:16:00.080 We've got like five for sure. 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:05.679 And plus the individual has to be at least 18 years old, which we know he's at least 18. 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:07.440 He's what in his 20s, maybe 30s. 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:12.240 This part, so this is the one I'm talking about with the age thing. 00:16:12.399 --> 00:16:17.360 There has to be evidence of a conduct disorder prior to age 15. 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:43.279 Obviously, we don't have that proof, but I I almost guarantee you, if this man were to walk into my office, I was doing an intake, I asked about history, like legal history, his childhood, things like that, I can almost bet he would tell me a lifetime of petty crime or a lifetime of hurting other people, or not listening, not really caring about other people. 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:50.399 So just in case anybody is curious what a conduct disorder is, flipping in my DSM really quick. 00:16:50.639 --> 00:17:12.799 A re So this is a repetitive and persistent pattern of behavior in which the basic rights of others, a repetitive and persistent pattern of behavior in which basic rights of others or major age-appropriate social societal norms and or rules are violated, as manifested by the presence of at least three of the following 15 criteria in the last year. 00:17:13.119 --> 00:17:22.880 So these are people who, um, you know, they're teenagers essentially, young teenagers, maybe preteens or younger, that are often bullies to people. 00:17:22.960 --> 00:17:30.880 They're the ones that you see bullying other people or being mean to animals or being mean to people that were smaller than them, being mean to teachers, being mean to their parents. 00:17:31.119 --> 00:17:38.880 Um, they initiate the physical fights, they use a weapon that can cause serious physical harm to somebody else. 00:17:39.119 --> 00:17:46.960 They also destroy property, they steal, they lie, they broke it into someone's house, they violate rules. 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:53.920 So, like breaking curfew or constantly getting arrested for this or for that. 00:17:54.480 --> 00:18:02.559 Um, they are

truant from school, it causes impairment in social, academic, or occupational functioning. 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:06.160 And then, and then here, this is what's interesting. 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:20.960 At the very bottom of conduct disorder, the category C criteria, it says if the individual is 18 years or older, criteria are not met for antisocial personality disorder. 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:28.400 So technically, without knowing his background, I could diagnose him with a conduct disorder. 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:30.880 Being over the age of 18. 00:18:31.039 --> 00:18:42.240 But in order for him to be diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder, he needs all the criteria for antisocial personality disorder, plus he needs proof of a conduct disorder. 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:54.160 So that would mean like this man could come in here and tell me all these things that he's done as a kid, but if he was never arrested for it, there's no record of it, then technically there's no proof. 00:18:54.400 --> 00:19:10.000 In short, I absolutely think that he would meet criteria for antisocial personality disorder, but for sure conduct disorder, because I don't have that conduct disorder piece in antisocial personality disorder, but I almost feel like he probably was a problem child. 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:14.720 Why does that criteria have to be set like that? 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:20.640 Why can a person not develop this type of disorder later on in life? 00:19:21.680 --> 00:19:37.759 So historically, we always thought that, and I say we as in the psychological community, we have always been told or learned that a lot of personality disorders um stem from trauma. 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:41.039 Personality is formed in the frontal lobe of the brain. 00:19:41.279 --> 00:20:04.240 And trauma often, especially if it's physical, um, like let's say someone gets hit in the head, obviously that's, you know, gonna physically impact their brain, but any sort of trauma that a person has affects the frontal lobe of their brain because that is the part that is personality, that's the part that's emotion. 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:06.960 Um, pretty much just makes a person who they are. 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:22.160 Um, so for years we're like, you know, if someone has trauma, like for example, back in my intake days, it was really hard for me to diagnose somebody with borderline personality disorder if they've had significant childhood trauma. 00:20:22.720 --> 00:20:31.440 Because a lot of the same symptoms that show up in PTSD show up in borderline personality disorder. 00:20:31.759 --> 00:20:33.359 So it was really difficult for me. 00:20:33.519 --> 00:20:36.319 I would either, I would usually do one or the other. 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:39.759 You know, if they have no trauma history, they're probably borderline. 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:44.160 If they have trauma history, they're probably they probably have PTSD. 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:53.839 However, research has shown more recently, like I took a whole two-day training on cluster B personality disorders. 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:56.400 It was probably the most interesting training I've ever taken. 00:20:56.640 --> 00:20:58.079 Which sounds super lame. 00:20:58.160 --> 00:21:04.880 I know I sound like a weirdo because I like training, but and it's actually more genetic. 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:05.759 Really? 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:23.119 Yes, like they are saying not necessarily like someone who has antisocial personality disorder has a kid that's gonna have antisocial personality disorder, but personality disorders in general are typically now being seen more genetic factor. 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:26.319 That's uh that's pretty crazy to think about. 00:21:27.039 --> 00:21:29.440 So that would be why it doesn't show up later in life. 00:21:29.680 --> 00:21:36.640 Because, I mean, if you think about it, you are born with your personality embedded, right? 00:21:37.200 --> 00:21:44.559 So, you know, you st whenever a we have three kids, we can kind of see when their personality starts to form. 00:21:44.799 --> 00:21:45.039 Yeah. 00:21:45.279 --> 00:21:46.079 When they're very young. 00:21:46.240 --> 00:21:50.000 It's usually within the first few months of life, their personality starts to form. 00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:51.279 It's because it is. 00:21:52.160 --> 00:22:02.160 Their personality is forming, and so that's why, unless like a kid, so if if you have a kid that's like torturing animals, Animals or is a bully or whatever. 00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:05.839 And that continues into adulthood, personality disorder. 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:15.759 But if you have a kid that's torturing animals or he's bullying and there's something going on at home, could be trauma, could be depression, could be just a mood disorder. 00:22:16.079 --> 00:22:21.039 But if it's a personality disorder, like a true personality disorder, they were born with it. 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:23.519 It's not something that's developed over time. 00:22:24.160 --> 00:22:32.720 Some people might disagree, but the science says that that is how personality disorders are made, is at birth. 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:34.319 So you kind of know. 00:22:34.640 --> 00:22:40.559 I mean, an example would be Jeff Dahmer's parents. 00:22:40.799 --> 00:22:42.160 They knew he was off. 00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:43.279 They knew he was weird. 00:22:43.359 --> 00:22:46.640 They knew he had a weird hobby, but they chalked it up to a weird hobby. 00:22:46.880 --> 00:22:57.359 Had they had more knowledge of mental health back then, they probably could have caught that personality disorder in Jeff Dahmer way earlier than his adulthood. 00:22:58.319 --> 00:22:58.960 Yeah. 00:22:59.279 --> 00:23:09.279 But I mean, like I said, even in the uh last episode, it's you know a lot of these situations were just victims of the time. 00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:33.839 Another thing that's really interesting is out of the four, out of the four

diagnoses or cluster B personality disorders, there is two, there are two of them that you that can be treated about 25 or about 25% of the time. 00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:36.559 Um, and that is borderline personality disorder. 00:23:36.640 --> 00:23:39.759 No, borderline personality disorder can be treated about 50% of the time. 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:45.440 Narcissistic and histrionic can be treated about 25% of the time. 00:23:46.559 --> 00:23:51.200 Antisocial personality disorder cannot be treated at all. 00:23:53.279 --> 00:24:01.680 That is the one diagnosis that a clinician can give somebody that is not treatable. 00:24:02.720 --> 00:24:11.680 So if someone is diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder, okay, can't do anything about it. 00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:16.880 Like, and even in my line of work, I work at a local community mental health center. 00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:28.400 And we see anybody from anxiety to schizophrenia, you know, anybody from, you know, homeless and poor to people who have high income. 00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:31.039 We see anybody because we're a community mental health center. 00:24:31.279 --> 00:24:40.880 But if someone comes to intake and is diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder, that pretty much eliminates them from being able to get any services because it's not treatable. 00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:43.920 That's just crazy to think about. 00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:52.799 Well, I mean, if you think about it, someone with antisocial personality disorder does not have the ability to feel empathy. 00:24:53.039 --> 00:24:57.920 They can't feel what other people are feeling, they don't think they're doing anything wrong. 00:24:58.079 --> 00:25:05.920 Like something in their brain isn't is not connected, so they feel like they are perfectly justified in all of their actions. 00:25:06.319 --> 00:25:16.079 Like the number of antisocial people I have seen is like true antisocial, is scary. 00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:21.440 And it's almost like this when you're talking to them, you almost know. 00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:23.920 Like, I'm gonna give a shout out. 00:25:24.079 --> 00:25:26.799 Me and my fellow coworker, her name's Mary. 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:28.160 I miss working with her. 00:25:28.319 --> 00:25:31.599 She's an intake clinician, she's also a clinical psychologist. 00:25:31.839 --> 00:25:38.480 Her and I both have the exact same reaction whenever we're in the room with someone who's antisocial and we know they're antisocial. 00:25:38.720 --> 00:25:42.480 It's almost like you feel the hairs on the back of your neck stand up. 00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:46.880 Like, you know, when a dog is scared and the hairs on the back of its neck stand up? 00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:47.519 Have you ever seen that? 00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:48.079 Oh, yeah. 00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:51.920 That's what it feels like being in the room with someone who's antisocial. 00:25:52.160 --> 00:26:00.880 So they have this way of even like changing the room, changing the vibe of the room, or the aura, if you will, of the room. 00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:23.519 Like those if if you if I had a choice between being in the room with someone who's antisocial and being in the room with someone who is a someone who's highly, highly schizophrenic and very paranoid and delusional and not on their medication, I would choose to be in the room with that person. 00:26:24.480 --> 00:26:30.720 Because chances are that person's probably not gonna hurt me unless they feel like I'm a danger to them. 00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:32.240 You know what I mean? 00:26:32.559 --> 00:26:32.880 Yeah. 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:40.240 Whereas someone who has ASPD they'll hurt me just to get out of the door because I'm in their way. 00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:42.079 Or just because they feel like it. 00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:45.759 Yeah, those people are scary. 00:26:46.720 --> 00:26:56.799 So this kind of goes back to what I talked about during the last um, I think it was either the episode, no, it wasn't last episode, the episode before, with kind of comparing um sociopathy and psychopathy. 00:26:56.880 --> 00:27:00.319 They're both the same, they're both under the ASPD umbrella. 00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:07.440 And people who have traits of both of those things more than likely are antisocial. 00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:18.880 Even though it historically it used to be people would link uh sociopath to being antisocial or a psychopath being antisocial, but in reality it's both. 00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:22.720 And that is on our Instagram as well, if you want to take a look at that. 00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:26.319 I thought that was a really cool infographic from a couple episodes ago, or maybe it was last episode. 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:29.519 I don't know, everything's running together, but no, Mr. 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:39.440 Lou is very much a black and white case of antisocial personality disorder. 00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:43.440 He's a spooky person. 00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:48.480 Yeah, but what a it definitely was a great film, though. 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:59.279 It was it was definitely a ride, and I really hope that that's not a hundred percent accurate, you know what I mean? 00:27:59.359 --> 00:28:11.519 Like that's not like I mean it obviously it was a fictional film, but we we see so much media now with every device that's can connect to the internet. 00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:29.599 You can see something on media, and it is driving the world, and it's very spooky how easy it is to just follow suit and believe everything you see. 00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:30.480 Yeah. 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:34.799 I also want to throw in a little fun fact. 00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:50.799 Um, doing the research on this movie, I've and I've done this research a couple, we've both done this research on like the link of IQ of like the full-scale IQ and um mental health, like personality disorders and stuff. 00:28:50.880 --> 00:29:04.960 And I would think that someone

who is antisocial would have a higher IQ because their ability to think only logically and without emotion. 00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:09.759 Because you know, as humans, if we think with emotion, typically we're not thinking logically. 00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:14.000 Like we can do both, but it's very it's hard to think both at the same time. 00:29:14.400 --> 00:29:18.160 So someone with ASPD doesn't have that emotional factor. 00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:40.480 So you would think that's all they do is just think logically, especially like one thing we talked about with Lou, we even thought maybe he's autistic because of like just all this random knowledge and these random facts that he has, just that he just pulls out of nowhere as if he just read about it. 00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:46.720 And he's very bright, he's very articulate, um, just very cognitively there. 00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:53.279 But actually, they say that people with um antisocial have a lower IQ. 00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:59.519 Typically, they're on the lower end of the spectrum, so maybe he's the outlier. 00:29:59.839 --> 00:30:02.400 Maybe it's really interesting. 00:30:02.559 --> 00:30:12.720 I think there was a website that I we saw in one of our first episodes where we looked up the IQs of serial killers, and maybe that'll be something I post on the Instagram if anyone's curious. 00:30:13.039 --> 00:30:15.119 Yeah, I think that's a good idea. 00:30:16.319 --> 00:30:21.519 But like always, um, where can you reach us at? 00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:22.880 Instagram. 00:30:23.039 --> 00:30:27.599 You can also email us at splitscreenict at yahoo.com. 00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:32.079 And don't forget to go follow the Patreon at splitscreenict.com. 00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:32.720 Okay. 00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:38.720 And all of our podcast episodes should be on pretty much all platforms. 00:30:39.039 --> 00:30:48.720 Um Spotify for sure, BuzzSprout is where we, you know, use what we use to basically put the episodes out. 00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:53.839 Um so I think Apple's the only one we're still having issues with. 00:30:54.000 --> 00:31:02.559 So if you have Apple and that's how you like to listen, just bear with us while we try and figure out the kinks of that, just because Apple is wonky and doesn't like to do anything. 00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:08.079 But yes, please, please, please um tell your friends and you can find us pretty much on any podcast platform. 00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:10.720 And I just realized that I misspoke. 00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:15.519 That was patreon.com slash split screen ICT. 00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:16.720 Good to know. 00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:20.400 We probably would have taken you to a dirty website or something by accident. 00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:21.279 Who knows? 00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:22.720 Maybe you get already whittle. 00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:23.839 Who knows? 00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:25.680 All right, everybody. 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:26.480 Thank you. 00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:27.599 Have a good night.

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