Volledige transcriptie van #083: The Warriors with Dylan J. Schlender

know, like we'll 73 00:03:53.439 --> 00:03:55.759 be in the jury, like the deliberating, like a movie 74 00:03:55.759 --> 00:03:58.719 about Frankenstein's Like, yeah, yeah, atleast didn't have comic book wipes. Yeah, 75 00:03:58.719 --> 00:03:59.479 that's a good point, you know. 76 00:04:01.439 --> 00:04:03.800 List didn't open up with a stupid narration from the 77 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:04.680 director telling. 78 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:06.759 Oh my god, you know it is actually so in 79 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:11.719 preparation for this. So I guess by way of table setting, 80 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:18.040 the commentary we're discussing was done over the original cut, 81 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:20.800 so it wasn't done over the director's cut. But I 82 00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:25.920 did watch the director's cut again, I know, because I 83 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:28.199 just wanted to see, Okay, was it really that bad? 84 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:31.759 And oh man, you know what actually was the worst 85 00:04:31.759 --> 00:04:35.319 part about it. I had even forgotten the ending of 86 00:04:35.360 --> 00:04:37.480 the original where they're just walking off and the credits 87 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:40.439 are going wonderful. The ending of the director's cut is 88 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:44.199 being the static comic panel. Oh that's so terrible. 89 00:04:44.480 --> 00:04:47.000 I completely forgotten about that. But now now that you 90 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:49.120 remind me, that pissed me off so much, I know. 91 00:04:49.160 --> 00:04:49.560 I'm sorry. 92 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:54.480 It's such a beautiful ending in the in the theatrical version, well, 93 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:57.199 well everything the theatrical version is an improvement on the 94 00:04:57.240 --> 00:04:58.040 directors now. 95 00:04:57.920 --> 00:05:02.480 I will say in he'll defense, I was just reading 96 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:06.439 a book about him. Is called Walter Hill The Cinema 97 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:11.120 of the Hollywood Maverick by Wayne Brought. His name is 98 00:05:11.120 --> 00:05:14.560 cut off? What is his name? By Wayne b I'll, 99 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:16.959 I have to get the last name again. My kindle 100 00:05:17.040 --> 00:05:21.079 is cutting it off. And he mentioned how with the 101 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:26.680 resurgent popularity in The Warriors, he was approached in two 102 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:28.560 thousand and five to do the director's cut, and he 103 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:30.560 said he didn't really want to call a director's cut 104 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:34.800 because he was actually very happy with the finished cut. 105 00:05:35.079 --> 00:05:37.040 And he said, but what I would like to do, 106 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:39.920 because the movie had to be rushed for release because 107 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:41.920 they wanted to get it out ahead of another gang 108 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:44.759 movie called The Wanderers, is they weren't able to go 109 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:47.920 through and put in these comic panel transitions that he wanted, 110 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:51.360 and he was going to have orson Wells read a 111 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:56.279 narration about the Greek soldiers who get lost basically behind 112 00:05:56.399 --> 00:05:59.000 enemy lines, that this whole movie's an allegory for so 113 00:05:59.120 --> 00:06:01.079 two thousand and five around and goes, well, I'll do 114 00:06:01.120 --> 00:06:03.920 the like the Orson Wells is no longer with us. 115 00:06:03.920 --> 00:06:08.000 He reads the narration, he adds the comic white panels, 116 00:06:08.240 --> 00:06:10.480 but you know, structurally the movie is the same, Like, 117 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:14.360 he doesn't add new scenes or anything like that. So 118 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:16.959 I think the grand total of the director's cut is 119 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:19.639 a whopping like one minute and twenty seconds longer than 120 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:23.720 theatrical cut. But you do feel the difference because those 121 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:27.319 comic wipes, I mean, using the comic wipe to introduce 122 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:31.160 the baseball furies, Oh dude, it just takes the It 123 00:06:31.319 --> 00:06:33.519 just really takes the piss out of the baseball theories, 124 00:06:33.600 --> 00:06:33.800 you know. 125 00:06:34.560 --> 00:06:37.480 And there are already wipes in the movie, yes, which 126 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:39.759 are done there there are panels switching wipes. 127 00:06:39.839 --> 00:06:43.519 Yeah, I think what makes to me? And I know 128 00:06:43.639 --> 00:06:46.800 you watch way more well, actually we've probably seen the 129 00:06:46.839 --> 00:06:48.519 same amount of comic book movies. I know you have 130 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:50.920 a fondness for them that I don't know. I have 131 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:52.720 a soft spot for a few, don't get me, I'm 132 00:06:52.759 --> 00:06:55.399 not a complete comic book miser. I actually just made 133 00:06:55.399 --> 00:06:58.959 my kids watch Wes Craven's Swamp Thing over vacation, you know. 134 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:01.240 So to me though, a big part. 135 00:07:01.079 --> 00:07:04.680 Of some lucky kids see their dad shore the swamp. 136 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:08.000 That's so funny. My daughter is like, like, it's good, 137 00:07:08.079 --> 00:07:10.439 but what's happening. I'm like, oh, that's a good, good answer. 138 00:07:10.439 --> 00:07:12.720 It's like he's gonna be swamping in a minute. Don't worry, 139 00:07:12.720 --> 00:07:15.839 it will start making sense. It's like there's a lot 140 00:07:15.879 --> 00:07:18.920 of daddy. Why does swamp thing have teeth? Well, that's 141 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:21.800 a very complicated question to answer my daughter. That is 142 00:07:22.040 --> 00:07:25.079 Dick Derocht one of the best superhero actors of all 143 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:27.959 time and the only

superhero actor to play not only 144 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:29.959 the original the sequel, but and the TV series. You 145 00:07:30.000 --> 00:07:32.079 guys don't know how good you've got it. So anyway, 146 00:07:32.639 --> 00:07:34.399 that's that's all real trivia. You can look it up. 147 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:36.879 But my point is for me, what makes a comic 148 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:39.720 book we be really comic Bookie is kind of like 149 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:43.120 the larger than life kind of heroes. And this is 150 00:07:43.439 --> 00:07:46.199 now the gentleman who did the commentary that we're ostensibly 151 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:48.959 discussing here. Instead of just using this as a finly 152 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:52.319 veiled excuse to dunk on the director's cut. H the 153 00:07:52.399 --> 00:07:55.000 gentleman doing the director of the commentary here, this is 154 00:07:55.000 --> 00:08:01.360 a fan commentary by Walter Walter Chaw Chow. Okay, Walter Chow, 155 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:05.600 and he one of the few things we're definitely got 156 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:06.759 to get into this, but one of the few things 157 00:08:06.800 --> 00:08:08.319 I really agreed with him on when he said about 158 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:12.079 he said that Walter Hill kind of vacillates between like 159 00:08:12.160 --> 00:08:14.879 gritty realism and over the top action. And he's like, 160 00:08:14.959 --> 00:08:18.639 so sometimes his heroes when they punch their packing cadillacts 161 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:21.000 and he's like in the Warriors or packing Cadillacts. I'm like, 162 00:08:21.000 --> 00:08:23.920 that's a good line. And it's the color palette too, 163 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.800 So like all the heroes and villains, they all have 164 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:29.800 very distinct color palts. They all stand out. So to me, 165 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:33.960 even without these very jarring comic transitions that you get 166 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:37.200 in the director's cut, between the wipes and the color 167 00:08:37.200 --> 00:08:39.320 palette that you have in the theatrical cut, it comes 168 00:08:39.320 --> 00:08:43.559 across as very comic bookie with our modern sensibilities, for sure, 169 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:45.919 it definitely wouldn't be lost on a modern audience. Maybe 170 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:49.639 in the seventy nine audience, it wouldn't feel as comic Bookie, 171 00:08:49.679 --> 00:08:53.879 But in the post Watchman world, it's impossible to watch 172 00:08:53.879 --> 00:08:55.840 the theatrical cut of the Warriors and now think of 173 00:08:55.840 --> 00:08:56.360 comic books. 174 00:08:56.399 --> 00:08:59.120 In my opinion, no, I totally agree. It reminded me 175 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:02.200 actually have a movie we recently did on real suggestice Hulk. 176 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:05.240 Yes, the Hulk is much. 177 00:09:05.039 --> 00:09:08.200 More obvious with its influences in terms of com books. 178

00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:10.960 This one, you gotta, you gotta kind of work with 179 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:12.879 it a little bit. It has to hold your hand 180 00:09:13.000 --> 00:09:17.080 just a little bit to get there. So let me 181 00:09:17.120 --> 00:09:19.480 read the plot synopsis for the few people out there 182 00:09:19.519 --> 00:09:21.320 who have not seen this film. 183 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:23.600 And if you haven't, please pause and go watch this movie. 184 00:09:23.600 --> 00:09:25.200 You will not regret it. 185 00:09:25.720 --> 00:09:28.720 Go get a four K player, buy the Aero video 186 00:09:28.799 --> 00:09:31.120 four K, and just enjoy the shit out of. 187 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:34.679 It because it, oh my god, so good. I can't 188 00:09:34.679 --> 00:09:37.440 wait to talk about it. Okay, I'll let you get to. 189 00:09:38.000 --> 00:09:40.879 Here we go. This is This is a really poorly 190 00:09:40.919 --> 00:09:43.919 written synopsis, so don't blame me if it doesn't make sense. 191 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:48.480 They leave out the word is several times and it 192 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:53.320 really infuriates me. Okay. In nineteen seventy nine. Fresh from 193 00:09:53.360 --> 00:09:56.759 directing bare knuckle boxing movie Hard Times and super cool 194 00:09:56.840 --> 00:10:00.919 crime thriller The Driver, Walter Here Walter hill Bill delivered 195 00:10:00.919 --> 00:10:04.320 his third stone cold classic in a row, The Warriors, 196 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:08.600 a slam bang, visually kinetic action movie that mixed the 197 00:10:08.639 --> 00:10:12.480 heightened comic book sensibility with a timeless tale from ancient 198 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:15.279 Greece and set them loose in the streets of modern 199 00:10:15.320 --> 00:10:18.679 America in New York. The gangs outnumber the cops five 200 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:22.440 to one. Together they could rule the city. Gang leader 201 00:10:22.480 --> 00:10:24.720 Cyrus has a dream to do just that and calls 202 00:10:24.759 --> 00:10:27.720 a summit. The gangs of New York gather in their thousands. 203 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:31.120 Cyrus takes the stage from somewhere in the crowd. A 204 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:34.600 shot rings out and Cyrus falls down dead. In the 205 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:37.440 chaos that follows a small gang from the Coney Island. 206 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:40.559 The Warriors are blamed. Now everyone is out to get 207 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:43.639 them on foot in enemy territory. Can they make it 208 00:10:43.679 --> 00:10:46.120 through the night to get back across the city to 209 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:49.519 the safety of home turf. For all you boppers out there, 210 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:52.360 for all you street people with an ear for the action, 211 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:55.840 the iconic cult classic is back with a brand new 212 00:10:55.840 --> 00:11:00.519 four K restoration approved by director Walter Hill. Can you 213 00:11:00.679 --> 00:11:01.120 dig it? 214 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:07.000 Call you dig it? You know, I gotta say, I'm 215 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:09.840 pretty sure that was like chat GPT give me like 216 00:11:10.000 --> 00:11:14.039 the most hackneyed right like summary of the Warriors. I mean, 217 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:17.320 those are such should have sentences. Oh my god, you should. 218 00:11:17.039 --> 00:11:18.799 Have been here when Mike totally was here for the 219 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:22.399 director's cut of Donnie Darko because that plot synopsis went 220 00:11:22.440 --> 00:11:27.559 on for five pages. Oh my god, it backed up. Literally, 221 00:11:27.600 --> 00:11:31.039 I had to scroll down to continue the entire thing. 222 00:11:31.080 --> 00:11:33.480 It was the most infuriating thing in the world. And 223 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:36.159 plus that that director's guy is bullshit. 224 00:11:36.200 --> 00:11:38.000 You know what, Ryan, Can we zoom out for a 225 00:11:38.000 --> 00:11:42.799 little bit. Don't you think, let's like, we're the physical 226 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:47.000 media space is becoming more niche. I mean it's still 227 00:11:47.120 --> 00:11:49.440 big enough, I suspect, but it's becoming more niche. Do 228 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:54.559 you really think a special ultra four K edition of 229 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:57.559 a movie that came out in seventy nine needs that 230 00:11:57.600 --> 00:12:00.360 plot synopsis on the back? I just feel the target 231 00:12:00.360 --> 00:12:03.360 demographic for this gets it, and I think the back 232 00:12:03.399 --> 00:12:06.080 would be better served because I'm actually looking at the 233 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:09.440 back of mind too. We have the same copy and 234 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:14.440 the so that top I would call it quarter of 235 00:12:14.519 --> 00:12:17.360 the back of the DVD case is that synopsis and 236 00:12:17.399 --> 00:12:20.399 then the bottom like I would say about three like 237 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:24.080 not quite three quarters of it is about all the extras, 238 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:26.159 and I think that's the real selling point. I would 239 00:12:26.279 --> 00:12:28.799 rather have them have someone who is a good copywriter 240 00:12:29.440 --> 00:12:33.200 explaining the depth of all the cool extras in there 241 00:12:33.519 --> 00:12:36.799 and why this four K is so important. I mean, 242 00:12:36.879 --> 00:12:38.559 the first thing I think they should say is like, 243 00:12:38.960 --> 00:12:42.320 this is restored from the original tape. Well, not not tape, 244 00:12:42.320 --> 00:12:43.039 that's not what I mean. 245 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:44.960 The material. 246 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:47.919 Yeah, it's restored from the original theatrical material. You know, 247 00:12:48.039 --> 00:12:50.120 like like all the Star Wars fans that are all 248 00:12:50.120 --> 00:12:53.639 pissed that the unspecialized editions aren't coming out, it's because 249

00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:56.879 they did the special editions over the original material, right, 250 00:12:57.080 --> 00:13:00.480 So like using the real material for anything is a risk, 251 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:04.080 you know when you move it around. And actually, I was, uh, 252 00:13:04.320 --> 00:13:07.720 fantastic documentary about Deep Space nine and they're talking about 253 00:13:07.720 --> 00:13:11.600 like behind, Yeah, what we leave behind? Yeah? Is it? 254 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:13.200 Iras Stevens is the showrunner. 255 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:14.320 Iras steven Bear. 256 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:17.039 Yeah, I'm Stevens Bear. Yes, It's that's why I love 257 00:13:17.080 --> 00:13:19.080 having Ryan around. I have such great ideas. And then 258 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:20.679 he knows all the details. It plugs him in. It's 259 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:24.120 we're a great team, so iras Stephen Bear is like, yeah, 260 00:13:24.320 --> 00:13:27.600 everyone's like, when are we getting HD deep Space nine? 261 00:13:28.159 --> 00:13:29.960 But the thing is, like all the footage is like 262 00:13:30.039 --> 00:13:32.399 scattered around, like they don't just like keep like one 263 00:13:32.559 --> 00:13:35.039 like these master tapes around like the like they're chopped 264 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:37.919 up in different boxes. So they got to like pull 265 00:13:37.799 --> 00:13:40.200 all the episodes together, scan them all in, you know. 266 00:13:40.279 --> 00:13:43.360 So the fact is edit it on tape. Yeah, which 267 00:13:43.440 --> 00:13:45.960 doesn't help. No, not at all either. Yes, exactly right. 268 00:13:46.000 --> 00:13:49.000 So it's like, so for the Warriors to actually do 269 00:13:49.080 --> 00:13:52.120 this on the original film, and let me tell you something, 270 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:54.600 you see it. So this is why this this is 271 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:58.720 the first four K H disc I've watched. I've seen 272 00:13:58.799 --> 00:14:01.840 things streamed in four K, but just like we were 273 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:06.159 talking about in the Ghostbusters episode, watching physical four K, 274 00:14:06.360 --> 00:14:09.320 just like watching like physical Blu ray has a quality 275 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:12.000 that I don't think streaming is even matching, Like I 276 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:16.639 think streaming like the grain. Yeah exactly. And one of 277 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:18.960 the first things you see in the four K it's 278 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:21.879 obviously the big Ferris wheel, but you get a shot 279 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:26.320 of Cleon like head on And I was watching this, 280 00:14:26.480 --> 00:14:30.799 uh with my my brother, Yeah, in his theater setup, 281 00:14:30.840 --> 00:14:33.360 so we had it on a projector and and man, 282 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:35.600 it just looked like you're looking through a window at 283 00:14:35.600 --> 00:14:39.200 a dude. Like it was insane how clear his face 284 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:41.600 was coming in while he was talking. I mean say 285 00:14:41.679 --> 00:14:44.039 nothing too about the sound quality as well, that was 286 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:48.559 pretty excellent. But yeah, I was just absolutely startled by 287 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:51.799 the visual quality of this transfer. I mean, it's it's 288 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:53.440 pretty remarkable, I must say. 289 00:14:53.559 --> 00:14:56.159 Yeah, they with the backs of these Aero Blu rays. 290 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:59.320 They spent so much time trying to convince non viewers 291 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:02.240 to pick it up, but nobody goes to a store 292 00:15:02.279 --> 00:15:05.639 to pick up movies anymore. Yeah, everything that you need 293 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:08.200 to know is in the Amazon plot synopsis before you 294 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:11.559 put it in your cart, or you would, yeah, like 295 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:14.240 you said, I would. I would rather spend more time 296 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:18.759 emphasizing what makes this different than the other versions that 297 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:21.039 have come out, and what kind of bonus features there are, 298 00:15:21.080 --> 00:15:25.720 and what the the details of the Dolby outmost track 299 00:15:25.840 --> 00:15:28.320 or the anamorphic widescreen all that stuff. 300 00:15:28.399 --> 00:15:31.720 Yeah, and and actually you make another really good point, Ryan. 301 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:35.840 When I said, oh, let's do the Warriors, I just 302 00:15:35.919 --> 00:15:38.559 assumed there was a commentary track like on the Blu Ray. 303 00:15:38.600 --> 00:15:40.720 And then you're like, well, you've got the four K, right, 304 00:15:40.759 --> 00:15:42.120 I go, well, I'll get the Blue Ray's like just 305 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:43.679 ou out of the Blue Ray, like, oh, I'll get 306 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:45.440 the four K. I guess then. But if you just 307 00:15:45.519 --> 00:15:47.799 like so, if you like go into Amazon you type 308 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:49.639 in the Warriors, you do get the four K, you 309 00:15:49.679 --> 00:15:51.919 do get the Blu Ray, you get like the Steelcase DVD. 310 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:55.639 And if you're not intimate with like what the differences are, 311 00:15:55.960 --> 00:15:58.679 just like purely for like special features, you might be 312 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:01.840 getting an then your product, you know. So, I just 313 00:16:03.279 --> 00:16:04.919 to kind of bring it back to Ghostbusters when we 314 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:08.720 were talking about like the sheer amount of special features 315 00:16:08.799 --> 00:16:12.200 that are on the original DVD and then that they 316 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:14.759 strip away for the Blu Ray. In my opinion, it's 317 00:16:14.799 --> 00:16:17.039 worth owning both, you know what I mean? And I 318 00:16:17.120 --> 00:16:21.200 think with this you're getting a very complete package in 319

00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:23.919 this four K because you can access the director is 320 00:16:23.919 --> 00:16:25.639 the director's cut in this one too. I don't know 321 00:16:25.720 --> 00:16:27.960 it's on this two. It's on this tube, so you 322 00:16:28.080 --> 00:16:31.519 can access the director's cut. Again, not recommended, though I 323 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:33.600 will say this in defense because I was watching it, well, 324 00:16:33.639 --> 00:16:34.919 like I said, I was watching it with my brother. 325 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:38.000 We were watching with the commentary, and he's like, you know, 326 00:16:38.080 --> 00:16:41.279 I've only ever seen it with the comic wipes and 327 00:16:41.320 --> 00:16:44.039 they didn't they didn't bug me at the time, and 328 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:47.039 I was like, and then after we finished it, so 329 00:16:47.159 --> 00:16:49.080 he had had to watch it with the commentary, so 330 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:51.519 we weren't able to pick up on too much stuff 331 00:16:51.519 --> 00:16:53.320 because we had to listen to Walter chaw talk the 332 00:16:53.320 --> 00:16:55.559 whole time. But he's like, no, I like, it's like, 333 00:16:55.600 --> 00:16:58.480 I think I get why you wouldn't like those transitions, 334 00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:00.679 but like again, just as a't this doesn't bug me 335 00:17:00.840 --> 00:17:02.480 because that was the first way I saw it. I'm like, 336 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:06.400 that's pretty fair. I guess, you know. But so you're 337 00:17:06.440 --> 00:17:09.279 getting a better value is so to circle back to 338 00:17:09.319 --> 00:17:11.680 my point, Sorry for my rambling, you're getting a better 339 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:15.079 value with the four K disc on something like this, 340 00:17:15.200 --> 00:17:17.720 and you're not just getting oh it's the Blu ray. 341 00:17:17.759 --> 00:17:19.920 But now they're saying four K like this is a 342 00:17:20.079 --> 00:17:21.960 unique product, and I think that's really cool. 343 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:25.240 Yeah, it's from the ground up. Yes, yes, everything that 344 00:17:25.319 --> 00:17:28.160 is on this disc was made in either twenty twenty 345 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:29.160 three or later. 346 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:33.079 All right, Ryan, we get we've been tiptoeing around it 347 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:35.400 because it's very easy to duck on the dunk on 348 00:17:35.440 --> 00:17:38.880 the director's cut. Now we have to actually examine here. 349 00:17:38.920 --> 00:17:41.920 One track mine is the commentary, and this Walter Chow guy, 350 00:17:43.079 --> 00:17:45.599 I think I like him, and when he was actually 351 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:48.920 talking about things that were actually in the movie and 352 00:17:49.039 --> 00:17:52.160 some cool behind the scenes things, because Walter Chow has 353 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:54.559 written a book about Walter Hill, he clearly has a 354 00:17:54.599 --> 00:18:00.000 good relationship with Walter Hill. But he was not very focused. 355 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:04.519 You could tell this was a one take, no edit, 356 00:18:05.119 --> 00:18:07.720 and it almost seemed like, hey man, you've got fifty 357 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:10.640 minutes to do a commentary on an hour twenty movie. 358 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:15.920 You know. It's like he seemed rushed and disorganized and 359 00:18:16.039 --> 00:18:19.119 kind of excited, Like I think he seemed nervous to me. 360 00:18:20.200 --> 00:18:22.680 So we'll get into the substance of what he was 361 00:18:22.720 --> 00:18:24.759 talking about, of course, because there is some very good 362 00:18:24.759 --> 00:18:26.519 substance there, and I did agree with a lot of 363 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:29.200 the cool stuff he was talking about. But just from 364 00:18:29.319 --> 00:18:32.319 a pure presentation, how would you say this ranks with 365 00:18:32.400 --> 00:18:34.839 some of the other commentaries you've had fan or otherwise? 366 00:18:35.480 --> 00:18:38.640 Uh, in terms of fan commentaries, this is near the top. 367 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:40.240 Oh god, that's horrible. 368 00:18:40.680 --> 00:18:43.519 I know, Oh, I know, because I've been watching a 369 00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:45.960 lot of a Keno Lorber has been putting out these 370 00:18:45.960 --> 00:18:49.519 film noir box sets. They have three movies per set, 371 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:51.839 and I think I have all of them. There's like 372 00:18:52.160 --> 00:18:56.039 thirty five of them, so they're varied. In half the time, 373 00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:58.839 the commentaries go, well, this isn't really film noir, but 374 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:00.799 I'll give you a commentary away, it's like, well, then, 375 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:03.480 why the fuck did you do it? Like, if it's 376 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:05.359 not phil Noir, why is it in this box set? 377 00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:07.680 Why does it say in big letters Phil Noir? And 378 00:19:08.000 --> 00:19:10.680 if you're gonna admit that it's not so, I've been 379 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:13.279 listening to a lot of those, and that that'll prepare 380 00:19:13.319 --> 00:19:16.400 you for basically anything after those, you'll go like, no 381 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:19.240 commentary can hurt me. Bring it on. 382 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:22.000 Okay, Okay, I like it. I like it so but. 383 00:19:22.519 --> 00:19:25.680 This guy, I mean in terms of yeah, in terms 384 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:27.920 of the fan commentaries that I've heard, this is not 385 00:19:28.200 --> 00:19:30.680 near the worst. But you can tell that he recorded 386 00:19:30.720 --> 00:19:33.880 it at home because at one point you can hear 387 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:38.920 one of his cats, uh move across like underneath the microphone, 388 00:19:38.920 --> 00:19:41.759 and I couldn't immediately felt like, well, my cat's been 389 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:43.839 dead for ten years, so it clearly

can't be mine. 390 00:19:43.920 --> 00:19:45.359 I was looking around the room. I was like, what 391 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:47.759 the hell is that? And then I started listening closely, 392 00:19:47.759 --> 00:19:49.279 and it's like, oh, yeah, this is coming from the 393 00:19:49.599 --> 00:19:50.039 blue ray. 394 00:19:50.400 --> 00:19:53.119 There were times we were watching because again I was 395 00:19:53.119 --> 00:19:55.440 watching it with my brother and you know, like we 396 00:19:55.440 --> 00:19:57.680 were chit chatting a little bit, and some of the 397 00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:00.759 points you were making were so U despair it and 398 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:02.240 it's just like, wait, what did we what did he 399 00:20:02.279 --> 00:20:04.359 say we rewound it? And it's like, oh no, no, no, 400 00:20:04.400 --> 00:20:06.279 he just went off on a completely He did not 401 00:20:06.359 --> 00:20:08.599 finish his last thought and went on to a new thought, 402 00:20:08.599 --> 00:20:10.519 which I'm very sympathetic to, don't get me wrong. But 403 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:14.000 I'm also not getting paid to do commentaries either, you know, 404 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:16.680 so uh, but I do. So I want to give 405 00:20:16.759 --> 00:20:19.079 him credit though, because again I could really dunk on him, 406 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:22.000 because like he he I just think he was really excited. 407 00:20:22.160 --> 00:20:24.799 I do believe he loves this movie. But let me 408 00:20:24.839 --> 00:20:27.480 tell you something, if we had to watch the movie 409 00:20:27.599 --> 00:20:30.759 he was describing, that's a bad movie, you know, And 410 00:20:30.920 --> 00:20:34.319 he was reading way too much into things, and he 411 00:20:34.599 --> 00:20:37.440 kind of was contradicting himself on a few points, especially 412 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:38.960 when it came to race. You could tell he was 413 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:41.519 trying to tiptoe around it. You know, he was more 414 00:20:41.559 --> 00:20:45.240 concerned about saying the wrong thing than saying the right thing, 415 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:47.000 you know what I mean, Like, it took me a 416 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:49.119 minute because he's like, well, you know when they say 417 00:20:49.119 --> 00:20:51.440 the F word, and I was like, the F word, 418 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:54.039 you know, and I was thinking of the four letter 419 00:20:54.519 --> 00:20:57.359 F word, but they're obviously talking about the slur. The 420 00:20:57.559 --> 00:21:00.480 AJAX was saying, well, I don't think he ever said 421 00:21:00.519 --> 00:21:02.440 it the three letter version. He said the six letter version, 422 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:06.079 you know, and yes, yeah, so I'm I'm look, I'm 423 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:08.279 not gonna say the words here. I'm sensitive to it. 424 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:11.720 Like I'm fine, I understand people don't like those words. 425 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:14.880 But if

you're going to say the F word, no 426 00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:19.079 one's thinking about the gay slur right away, at least 427 00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:21.039 not most normal people. And I don't want to say 428 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:23.160 normal people, you know, not average. I would say the 429 00:21:23.240 --> 00:21:24.839 I would say it's fair to say the average verson 430 00:21:24.839 --> 00:21:28.200 is thinking about, uh, the F word for fornication. And 431 00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:30.680 that's because I was like, do they even say it 432 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:32.400 that much? In this And it's like to me, it 433 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:34.519 would be like just like it's because he was talking 434 00:21:34.519 --> 00:21:35.920 about like how it was like a big deal, and 435 00:21:35.960 --> 00:21:37.759 then it hit me like, oh wait, no, he's talking 436 00:21:38.160 --> 00:21:39.039 talking about Ajax. 437 00:21:39.119 --> 00:21:43.599 Yeah, oh boy, you know, and he mentions. 438 00:21:43.200 --> 00:21:47.039 Like so Walter Hill himself too. In defensive Shaw talks 439 00:21:47.079 --> 00:21:49.400 about how our Chow I don't know why to keep 440 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:51.960 wanting to call him Shaw. You know. He talks about 441 00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:58.440 how the movie is more of it's not romanticizing the 442 00:21:58.559 --> 00:22:02.799 gang's per se, but there are romantic characters who happened 443 00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:09.440 to be gang members, right, And Chow was saying like, oh, 444 00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:12.960 this is like good representation, and it's like, no, I 445 00:22:13.319 --> 00:22:15.559 don't think it is. They still wanted to like he 446 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:17.599 was hit, you know, like the cops or the real gang, 447 00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:20.440 and it's like, uh okay, dude, but like the gangs 448 00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:23.000 are the guys like they're pushing drugs, fighting over turf. 449 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:27.119 That's literally why Cyrus called the whole meeting, you know. 450 00:22:27.200 --> 00:22:29.960 And then he's like, oh, and then you have the 451 00:22:30.039 --> 00:22:32.759 Rogues guy and this is all stuff Chow is saying 452 00:22:32.799 --> 00:22:35.200 in the commentary. He's like, well, the Rogues guy blames 453 00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:39.000 the Black Gang, but it's like, no, he blames because 454 00:22:39.039 --> 00:22:41.480 the Warriors saw him do it. You know, and so 455 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:43.920 I think he was reading a little too much like 456 00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:45.880 when he this is what I was thinking as I 457 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:50.079 was watching. When he was making socioeconomic points, those were 458 00:22:50.079 --> 00:22:52.359 probably better the better race points. And when he was 459 00:22:52.359 --> 00:22:54.960 making race points, those are probably the better socioeconomic points. 460 00:22:55.480 --> 00:22:58.039 Because Walter Hill is quoted as saying,

I have the 461 00:22:58.119 --> 00:23:01.839 quote here because I was reading that book about him, 462 00:23:01.880 --> 00:23:04.640 he said, I wanted to do a movie with an 463 00:23:04.680 --> 00:23:07.799 all black cast, but they that would be the studio 464 00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:10.440 would not go for that. And I think in the 465 00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:13.839 end they were right, because the film became more universalized, 466 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:18.440 more timeless, in a more magical world in that you 467 00:23:18.519 --> 00:23:21.880 have gangs who don't look like what real gangs did, 468 00:23:22.319 --> 00:23:24.480 but at the same time there is a hint of 469 00:23:24.519 --> 00:23:28.400 social reality, so there's a mix of social reality and fantasy. 470 00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:31.400 I think the interracial casting helped that. While we were 471 00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:35.839 finding the movie. Now Child alludes to this quote, but 472 00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:37.400 I think he does it in a way that does 473 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:40.240 a disservice to Hill, because he makes it sound like 474 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:44.039 Hill wanted to be progressive and then the studio put 475 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:46.200 a cabash on it. And then later on in the 476 00:23:46.200 --> 00:23:48.200 movie he goes, oh, you could just see the ease 477 00:23:49.880 --> 00:23:53.039 of the interracial dynamics that he's using. It's like, well, okay, 478 00:23:53.039 --> 00:23:55.599 so did Hill make the movie he wanted to or not? 479 00:23:55.759 --> 00:23:57.799 And he was not very clear about until I actually 480 00:23:57.839 --> 00:24:01.279 read this book and I actually now understand what Walter 481 00:24:01.359 --> 00:24:04.680 Hill was talking about. And so to Hill, it did 482 00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:08.480 become more of a fantasy. And this is actually something 483 00:24:08.519 --> 00:24:11.200 that Saul Yurick, who wrote the novel that the movie 484 00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:13.960 would be based that the movie's based on, criticized the 485 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:15.599 movie for he goes, you stripped away a lot of 486 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:17.440 these social political elements. 487 00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:20.440 So I think they were all black gang in the book. 488 00:24:20.759 --> 00:24:23.880 Yeah, exactly. And I think, you know, it's funny that 489 00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:25.799 he's like, oh, if they were all black gang, it 490 00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:28.039 would have been a progressive Like it's it's gonna be 491 00:24:28.079 --> 00:24:30.839 progressive showing a bunch of black teenagers all this criminals. 492 00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:33.000 That's that's the direction you're going for, Chao, you know 493 00:24:33.039 --> 00:24:35.920 what I mean? But I think because Choo has such 494 00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:40.039 reverence for Hill that he wants to defend him, and 495 00:24:40.119 --> 00:24:43.480 he has read so deeply, like he read Saul Yurik's book. 496 00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:46.279 You know, he's obviously read all the commentaries and he's 497 00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:50.559 conversed with Hill himself, and not for nothing. Chow has 498 00:24:50.680 --> 00:24:52.559 an I don't want to call an agenda, but he 499 00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:55.200 has a very fixed point of view, especially when it 500 00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:57.799 comes to like when he's discussing masculinity in the film. Again, 501 00:24:57.839 --> 00:25:00.359 this is all stuff while the movie's go going on, 502 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:02.799 You're like, what does this have to do with the movie? Man, 503 00:25:02.880 --> 00:25:04.960 Like this is just kind of coming out of left field, 504 00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:08.000 and he's not really able to tie it tie it 505 00:25:08.039 --> 00:25:11.200 all together, you know. But going back to Hill's point, 506 00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:13.039 like when you kind of make it more of a 507 00:25:13.079 --> 00:25:16.079 fantasy and you strip away some of his politics, like 508 00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:18.039 the movie still works and the movie does land and 509 00:25:18.039 --> 00:25:20.559 I would say the movie is timeless, and Saul Yuric 510 00:25:20.680 --> 00:25:23.279 didn't like it because of that. So I think Chow 511 00:25:23.480 --> 00:25:27.400 is just trying to claw back some of that political 512 00:25:27.440 --> 00:25:29.839 commentary as a way of defending Hill. But I don't 513 00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:32.799 think it's a defense Hill wants or needs. 514 00:25:33.000 --> 00:25:35.240 Yeah, there's the moment where he points out that the 515 00:25:35.599 --> 00:25:38.240 it's a it's a battle between the impoverished and the 516 00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:42.720 millionaires and the billionaires, which are two phrases that do 517 00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:45.160 not come up in the movie at all, not even 518 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:48.319 a little. I did not see that argument whatsoever. But 519 00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:50.880 there's the one scene where they're they're on the subway 520 00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:53.440 and it's almost towards the end and the kids are 521 00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:57.119 having the prom and they get on and wordlessly kind 522 00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:00.319 of look at how tattered the warriors are are with 523 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:02.880 the with the girl. I forget what her name is 524 00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:05.920 because my brain Mercy, Mercy, Yes, thank you. 525 00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:09.680 Oh h quick a Chow has such a heart on 526 00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:13.079 for Mercy, Like the stuff he's talking about her is 527 00:26:13.160 --> 00:26:16.400 not in this movie. Like what movie were you watching, dude? Okay, 528 00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:18.000 I'm sorry. I continue about the subway scene. 529 00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:20.960 So that's and they kind of they they give him 530 00:26:21.000 --> 00:26:22.440 a weird look and then they get off at the 531

00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:26.680 next stop. That's really the only class conscious scene in 532 00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:27.160 the film. 533 00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:27.720 Mm hmm. 534 00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:30.119 And to read that as saying like, well, it's clearly 535 00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:33.480 about the one percent blah, I was like, no, it's not. Oh, 536 00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:36.240 it's not the people. It's not about this. It's a 537 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:38.640 different kind of struggle. Not every single struggle is a 538 00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:40.079 struggle against people with money. 539 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:42.960 It exactly right. And I think a guy like Chow 540 00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:48.240 who puts class consciousness above other structures, like if he 541 00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:53.400 believes that the base of any civilization is like the economy, 542 00:26:53.400 --> 00:26:56.000 for example, as opposed to say, like the family, because 543 00:26:56.039 --> 00:26:58.079 you know, for all this talk about masculinity, he doesn't 544 00:26:58.079 --> 00:27:00.880 talk about where are the fathers in Warriors? But now 545 00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:03.079 that's different political commentary that you and me would have 546 00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:05.119 to go for a field on. Let's just stick to 547 00:27:05.319 --> 00:27:08.440 what chall was saying. To what I because I've seen 548 00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:10.119 The Warriors a bunch of times. I love the movie, 549 00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:16.039 and to me, that scene with the prom kids and them, 550 00:27:16.599 --> 00:27:19.440 it is a bit of a societal mirror. It's not 551 00:27:19.720 --> 00:27:23.480 condemning or judging or anything. And it's just like, but 552 00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:25.799 for the grace of God, go I. You know, it's 553 00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:29.599 like if things were a little different for Swan and Mercy, 554 00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:32.680 that would have been them. And it doesn't speak to 555 00:27:32.839 --> 00:27:35.359 like a system of oppression or anything like that. It's 556 00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:38.200 just like that. That's that's the reality. It's like this 557 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:43.079 like this is weird, bifurcated world that the Warriors exist in, 558 00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:45.160 you know, where you have people who paint their faces 559 00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:47.480 and run around with baseball bats, and then you have 560 00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:48.599 like the real world, you know. 561 00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:51.759 So he has the people in roller skates, yeah exactly, 562 00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:53.640 and he's got the old girl gang that are kind 563 00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:55.119 of lesbians, but also and not. 564 00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:57.720 Okay, well, I first time I saw this movie, I 565 00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:00.400 was maybe ten, and I assumed they were lesbian. I mean, 566 00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:02.720 like everyone assumes they're lesbians, you know, for like Chow 567 00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:04.920 to kind of like tiptoe around that. It's like, well 568 00:28:04.960 --> 00:28:06.880 you kind of see that. I'm like, no, dude, everyone 569 00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:09.079 thought they were lesbians. I'm pretty sure Walter Hill go, yeah, 570 00:28:09.079 --> 00:28:10.160 they were lesbians, you know. 571 00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:12.720 Like yeah, he even says like at first I thought 572 00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.039 they were called the Lezies, and then I found out 573 00:28:15.039 --> 00:28:17.799 that they were called the Lizzies, Like yeah, it's a 574 00:28:18.160 --> 00:28:18.880 pretty big. 575 00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:21.720 Yeah, it's kind of the same thing, man, you know. 576 00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:26.079 So you know what I thought was very interesting too 577 00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:28.079 again in the Walter Hill book. I right, I wasn't 578 00:28:28.119 --> 00:28:31.480 able to get my hands on Chow's Walter Hill book. 579 00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:33.240 I would like to read it at some point. 580 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:35.319 But I would too. It looks it looks interesting. 581 00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:38.319 Yeah, it's huge too. It's almost like six hundred pages 582 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:42.720 or something like. I know. So one of one of 583 00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:47.279 the notes that I made in the uh Walter Hill 584 00:28:47.400 --> 00:28:51.759 the Cinema of a Hollywood Maverick by what is my 585 00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:58.119 kindle not giving me his last name? Uh Wayne something 586 00:28:58.160 --> 00:28:59.880 all right. So one of the notes I took because 587 00:28:59.920 --> 00:29:03.039 I thought it described it ended up describing Chow perfectly 588 00:29:03.519 --> 00:29:07.839 talking about the warriors. He says, But for anyone approaching 589 00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:11.359 the film without an agenda to suppress it, Key were there, 590 00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:15.599 they will see it as a far from irresponsible and 591 00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:20.240 inflammatory piece of sensationalism. With its cartoonish assembly of colorful gangs. 592 00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:24.039 There is no mistaking that Hill's film is a dramatic 593 00:29:24.119 --> 00:29:27.680 fantasy adventure and not some call to arms for real 594 00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:31.400 life rival street gangs, that call to arms pertaining to 595 00:29:31.519 --> 00:29:34.839 some of the violence that was around the premiere the 596 00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:37.319 couple weekends that the movie was out. But I would 597 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:41.640 also argue the political call to arms that Chow is 598 00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:44.599 arguing it is. I mean, people, you need to understand. 599 00:29:44.680 --> 00:29:47.359 When Chow was talking about blue collar workers, he called 600 00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:51.359 them blue class. He is talking about a world that 601 00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:56.400 I think he is just too far removed from to

602 00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:00.799 understand to equate all blue collar workers with. And then 603 00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:05.240 he says entry level workers. I mean, my friend, if 604 00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:08.519 you are a diesel mechanic, you are making a lot 605 00:30:08.599 --> 00:30:11.119 of money, but you are still blue collar, you know. 606 00:30:11.279 --> 00:30:15.039 So it's a world he doesn't quite understand. And it 607 00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:17.680 to me, it rang more of a guy who's trying 608 00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:21.680 to say the right things and not necessarily things he's understands, 609 00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:22.559 which again I'm very. 610 00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:24.640 Sick look the things not to step into. 611 00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:27.880 Yeah exactly, and but what so what kills me about 612 00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:32.119 that is he's doing these weird political sides. But then 613 00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:36.960 he hits us with amazing trivia about the movie. And 614 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:40.720 I'll say my favorite here was about the character Fox, 615 00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:43.400 who was played by the actor Thomas White, who was 616 00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:48.279 also a windows in the thing. And apparently he was 617 00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:52.119 going to be like the main guy and Walter Hill 618 00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:54.880 and him just didn't get along, and so Walter Hill 619 00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:57.519 killed him and he brags about and Walter Hill actually 620 00:30:57.519 --> 00:30:59.839 bragged about later in the other book I read in 621 00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:02.079 one of the interviews he gave, He's like, oh, I 622 00:31:02.119 --> 00:31:04.839 could do anything I want as the writer, he's like 623 00:31:05.240 --> 00:31:07.319 that guy and the like I had a guy I 624 00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:09.119 didn't like and so I used my pencil and he 625 00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:11.480 got killed by a train. You know, he has sense 626 00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:13.640 come around to saying that he wished he got along 627 00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:17.039 with Waits better. I guess they've they've they've healed and 628 00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:20.519 patched up. But when he when we got that behind 629 00:31:20.519 --> 00:31:23.519 the scenes trivia from Chow. I didn't know about Wait's 630 00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:26.440 extensive history, like with gangs, you know, so he actually 631 00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:29.079 went a little deeper than just like like if you 632 00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:31.559 just read the IMDb trivia, if you just read Thomas 633 00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:34.720 Waits's Wikipedia, you're not getting the facts that Chow is 634 00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:38.200 bringing out. And so I really wish he focused a 635 00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:42.759 lot more on those. And then I've got one other 636 00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:44.920 thing that he brought up that but I'll let you 637 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:48.119 if you want to get something in here, all right, 638 00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:51.880 I know, well, you know, I try to bring a 639 00:31:51.960 --> 00:31:55.440 level of research to Ryan's show because I I you 640 00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:57.960 can't just read Wikipedia and come on one track, mind, folks, 641 00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:01.119 you gotta you gotta go deep. So one thing that 642 00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:06.559 caught my ear and my brother's ear was the book 643 00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:12.799 he mentions by the cinematographer. Is it Adam Laslow? Hold 644 00:32:12.799 --> 00:32:14.119 on a minute, why can't I see his name? 645 00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:14.599 Oh? 646 00:32:14.759 --> 00:32:19.640 Uh no, Andrew, Andrew Andrew. I think it's Andrew Laslow, 647 00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:24.400 right right, Yeah, So he mentions the book that Andrew 648 00:32:24.480 --> 00:32:29.240 Laslow wrote about every frame of rim Brand. So, first 649 00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:33.720 of all, the ego on this cinematographer, and through great 650 00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:37.039 personal expense, I was able to acquire a copy of 651 00:32:37.079 --> 00:32:39.720 this book, and I was reading through what he wrote 652 00:32:39.720 --> 00:32:42.960 about the Warriors, because the way Chow presented him, he 653 00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:45.680 was like he was making it sound like Laszlow's, like, oh, 654 00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:47.960 I mastered this technique in the war He was making 655 00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:50.880 him sound really full of himself. Now having read Laslow, 656 00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:54.640 he is indeed full of himself, but he's surprisingly parsimonious 657 00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:58.559 about his brilliance in doing the Warriors. He just credits 658 00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:01.160 himself for having a few good idea is here and there. 659 00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:03.680 So once again I think Chow is kind of doing 660 00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:08.119 the filmmakers, you know, at a little bit of a disservice, 661 00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:11.359 but he is bringing up good sources. So if you 662 00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:15.480 get your hands on every frame of rim Brand by Laslow, 663 00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:17.799 it's a great book. I'm enjoying reading it now. I'll 664 00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:19.960 probably keep reading even though the show's gonna be over. 665 00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:22.559 But I'm learning stuff about movies, and I do in 666 00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:25.880 movie podcasts, so it's probably worth getting it all through. 667 00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:28.920 But he's talking about wetting down the streets, how they 668 00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:31.640 made prop signs that had artificial lights in them, how 669 00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:34.559 they actually lit the subway cars, you know, and like 670 00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:37.880 there's so much I mean, like he mentions like the 671 00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:40.920 equipment they're using, like dispositors. I have no idea what 672 00:33:41.039 -->

00:33:44.519 disposit is, but apparently by using half of its power, 673 00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:48.000 it made a quote unquote bad shot. And that's what 674 00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:50.920 Laslow's keeps talking about. He goes, I had to shoot 675 00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:54.160 this movie quote unquote with bad shots that wouldn't be 676 00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:57.119 up to snuff in normal Hollywood. But as we all know, 677 00:33:57.160 --> 00:33:59.960 you know, Walter Hill is one of those like Maverick director. 678 00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:03.880 You know, he was like, yeah, very iconoclassic. Would he 679 00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:06.119 technically be part of the new Hollywood movement? Is he 680 00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:08.639 kind of just okay? Yeah? 681 00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:09.360 Seventies? 682 00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:12.920 Yeah, exactly right, so like these seventies, Like it is 683 00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:15.159 cool because he's an odd tour but he likes doing 684 00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:18.000 manly action movies, you know what I mean. Like, I 685 00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:20.800 really can't recommend Hard Times enough for that being his 686 00:34:20.880 --> 00:34:26.360 directorial debut and having to direct. Oh man, So first 687 00:34:26.400 --> 00:34:28.639 of all, the movie looks gorgeous as you might suspect, 688 00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:32.880 you know, and Charles Bronson's hold even in that, and like, 689 00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:35.559 imagine being a first time director and you have to 690 00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:38.239 direct Charlie Bronson. I mean, that's not an easy thing 691 00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:41.880 to do. Hey, Belly, yeah, what to do pretty much. 692 00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:44.440 And but Charlie Brownce is ripped in that it's so good. 693 00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:49.880 But anyway, getting back to Laslow, he talks about the 694 00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:52.960 movies he did with like Southern Comfort would be the 695 00:34:53.000 --> 00:34:57.519 next movie he would do with Hill and by making 696 00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:00.639 these like because he came from a traditional background, Like 697 00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:05.039 he was talking about, Uh, oh, what's what's the guy's 698 00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:10.559 name's Sidney p or something, but what's who he would 699 00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:12.840 have been a filmmaker, Like I think. 700 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.440 His name, oh, Sidney Pollack, not Sidney Pollack. 701 00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:16.199 I would have remembered that. 702 00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:18.840 I think guy Cennel Lamett, Ciddle Lett. 703 00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:20.760 Yeah, yeah, he talks about I think it was him 704 00:35:20.800 --> 00:35:22.440 he was talking about, like and again this is the 705 00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:24.800 last letter of talking about him, like if you showed 706 00:35:24.880 --> 00:35:26.280 up to work for him, you had to be wearing 707 00:35:26.280 --> 00:35:29.559 like press slacks right in, like a collared shirt, even 708 00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:31.800 though he just he was a camera operator. And he 709 00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:34.519 goes and then he juxtaposed that for working with Walter 710 00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:36.159 Hill for the first time, where the first time he 711 00:35:36.199 --> 00:35:38.840 meets Walter Hill, he's wearing a T shirt that's two 712 00:35:38.880 --> 00:35:41.960 sizes too small and skinny jeans, you know, and he's 713 00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:44.800 like he's like, this guy is gonna be different, and 714 00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:47.800 so he shoots the film with these deliberate again quote 715 00:35:47.880 --> 00:35:51.360 unquote bad shots as he describes them, and everyone loves it. 716 00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:55.079 And fast forward to today, everyone hails The Warriors for 717 00:35:55.400 --> 00:36:00.719 it's brilliant cinematography, and again, yeah, it's it's incredibly well shot, 718 00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:04.519 you know. And I just wish Chow was able to 719 00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:07.519 bring forward some of this information because this book is 720 00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:08.880 hard to find and I don't think a lot of 721 00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:10.960 people are going to read it. So he had a 722 00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:14.840 great opportunity in this commentary track to really dive into 723 00:36:14.880 --> 00:36:17.960 because Lazo gives a ton of information just on the Warriors, 724 00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:21.239 never mind his process, and to not get that and 725 00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:24.039 for having to him to kind of go off like 726 00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:28.559 another tangent talking about like the degrees of masculinity, and 727 00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:31.920 it's just like, dude, that's not what makes this movie interesting, 728 00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:32.360 you know. 729 00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:36.719 Well, it's like when he's when he's bringing up the 730 00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:39.599 mythology of it all and he says it's fantasy, It's 731 00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:43.880 Tolkien without the extra pages. Oh god, I'm like, Tolkien's 732 00:36:43.960 --> 00:36:47.280 not the most apt comparison I can think of when 733 00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:49.480 I think of The Warriors, I don't necessarily think of 734 00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:50.039 Middle Earth. 735 00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:53.760 No, not at all. I mean it is a classic 736 00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:57.519 behind enemy lines. It's one hundred percent the Greek Trategedy 737 00:36:57.599 --> 00:36:59.679 of the ten thousand. I mean, well, I don't know 738 00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:02.679 if it was technically a tragedy, but that story, you know, 739 00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:04.960 it's like you don't and it's like, why are you 740 00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:07.840 over selling it? Man? Like we're literally watching it on 741 00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:10.079 a four K disc with the commentary, like you got 742 00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:11.320 to know your audience. 743

00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:14.039 Clearly here clearly we know something. 744 00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:17.440 Yeah, exactly. And one thing I do like though, chowd 745 00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:19.920 did have some self awarenes and if child's listening to this, dude, 746 00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:22.400 I did like your commentary on the whole. I would 747 00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:24.360 love to debate you about some of the political stuff 748 00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:26.719 because I wish you articulated it better. 749 00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:27.199 Uh. 750 00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:29.920 I think you had an idea and a direction you 751 00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:32.239 were going in, and if you articulated it better, I'd 752 00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:34.039 be able to respond to it better. But a last 753 00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:36.119 year we are, though, I will give him credit. When 754 00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:39.159 the bathroom scene's about to start, he does say, like, 755 00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:40.599 you know, if you just want to watch this movie 756 00:37:40.679 --> 00:37:42.159 and say, it's not about all this stuff, It's just 757 00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:45.480 about tough guys being tough. That's valid. I'm like, oh good, So, 758 00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:48.679 now everything you just said for like the past hour 759 00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:51.800 or twenty minutes, you're literally saying we could safely ignore. 760 00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:55.360 I mean, oh man, but I tell you what he did. 761 00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:58.000 And again though, when he focuses on what's actually happening 762 00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:00.679 on the movie, it's wonderful comment Harry. When he was 763 00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:05.719 breaking down the bathroom fight scene, great stuff. I never knew, 764 00:38:05.800 --> 00:38:08.039 you know, it was like it took five days to film. 765 00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:11.159 You can actually clearly the way it's blocked and stage. 766 00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:13.719 You know what everyone's doing at the same time. And 767 00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:16.840 when you're watching it through that lens of his commentary, 768 00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:19.360 you do see that fight differently. You do see how 769 00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:22.840 well put together it is. You know, it's amazing. 770 00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:25.639 I love when he points out that there's always a 771 00:38:25.679 --> 00:38:26.880 camera for slow motion. 772 00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:30.920 Yes, exactly, and then when you see that. So what 773 00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:34.199 I liked about him saying that when I went back 774 00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:37.079 and I watched the movie again this morning again the 775 00:38:37.119 --> 00:38:40.199 director's cut, though, I did notice the slow motion shots 776 00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:42.719 more often. I was like, oh, okay, yeah, I didn't 777 00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:44.679 realize there was so much slow motion in this movie. 778 00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:47.480 I mean, it's not like matrix level, you know, and 779 00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:50.199 then when he pointed out too like how the baseball 780 00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:53.280 furies are like Ronan, I'm like, okay, see he's reading 781 00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:56.360 too much into this. But then the mean baseball bat 782 00:38:56.360 --> 00:39:00.119 guy he does that weird like sword dance, and I'm like, oh, crap, no, 783 00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:03.719 he's right, and now I can't unsee it. When they're fighting, 784 00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:06.000 it's like a sword fight with the baseball bats. And 785 00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:07.280 I never picked up on that. 786 00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:12.159 So like compares him to Samurai and to the band kiss. 787 00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:14.639 Yeah, exactly, and that's really what they are. Because at 788 00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:17.519 first I was like, oh, dude, come on, they're not Samurai. 789 00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:19.840 And then you watch it, you know, and I've seen 790 00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:22.440 a lot of like the schlocky Samurai movies from back 791 00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:25.519 in the day, you know IFC used to do Samurai Sunday. 792 00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:27.840 I mean, not the Zachuichi movies or schlocky, don't get 793 00:39:27.840 --> 00:39:30.679 me wrong, but like the way they're fighting, you know, 794 00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:33.159 like just hacking and blocking, and I'm like, yeah, no, 795 00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:36.159 that's that's pretty samurai movie. That's prey. Like, okay, I'm 796 00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:38.119 you won me over on that one show. At first, 797 00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:40.280 I thought you were kind of like getting high on 798 00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:42.559 your own supply again, but no, that one's definitely there. 799 00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:46.400 And I loved learning that this was David Patrick Kelly's 800 00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:50.320 first film because I know him best as Ben Horn's 801 00:39:50.320 --> 00:39:53.800 brother on Twin Peaks. Always comes in and has the 802 00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:57.119 craziest reactions to everything, and in Twin Peaks The Return, 803 00:39:57.800 --> 00:40:00.280 he has like a three episode arc where he gets 804 00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:02.679 high and he thinks that his shoes are talking to 805 00:40:02.760 --> 00:40:06.440 him wonder and it's just it's terrific. And I love 806 00:40:06.519 --> 00:40:09.559 learning that he improvised the whole coke bottle scene with 807 00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:15.880 the Warriors come out to play that scene. No idea 808 00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:19.400 that sprang from his brain because he was harassed in 809 00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:23.840 his apartment building by somebody who would say, David, it's 810 00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:27.920 time to play. And Chowie even points out the guy 811 00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:30.800 was probably a pedirass and I'm like, well, now that 812 00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:32.960 brings down the whole thing. Now

I don't Now, I 813 00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:33.880 don't like this idea. 814 00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:36.960 Let's make it really creepy. Hey, do you have a theory? 815 00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:43.760 So Dave David Kelly, Robert David Patrick Kelly, David. 816 00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:45.440 Patrick Kelly, Yeah, because you can't say David Kelly, You're 817 00:40:45.440 --> 00:40:47.719 gonna think it's the writer, right. So David Patrick Kelly, 818 00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:51.280 his characters name is Luthor in this, and Luther is 819 00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:53.760 the guy who obviously shoots Cyrus and kicks off the 820 00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:56.360 whole fiasco. Who do you think he's talking to on 821 00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:59.199 the phone. Oh, I have no idea, So I did 822 00:40:59.199 --> 00:41:04.119 some research. Uh. David Patrick Kelly says he the Walter 823 00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:06.159 Hill never told them who it was, and he kind 824 00:41:06.159 --> 00:41:08.840 of improvised it and that's why he's to him. It's 825 00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:12.159 just the boss, right. So if you remember, the movie 826 00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:15.840 has nine representatives of each gang going to this summit, 827 00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:19.440 the theory being he was like the lieutenant of the 828 00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:22.440 rogues and so the big boss of the Rogues didn't 829 00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:24.239 go there, and he was filling him via the phone. 830 00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:26.679 Some people say it was the DJ, some say it 831 00:41:26.719 --> 00:41:28.719 was the Lizzies, you know, but. 832 00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:30.559 I like the djle Yeah. 833 00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:33.199 I like the DJ angle too, because you know they're 834 00:41:33.199 --> 00:41:36.119 all getting their info from the DJ. Quick sidebar on 835 00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:39.119 the DJ. I just watched a Bam Bam Bigelow movie, 836 00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:44.159 The Last Gunfight, and they actually do the a complete 837 00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:47.440 not homage. It's such a ripoff, but it's an homage 838 00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:50.800 of the warriors. DJ like, same camera angle and everything. 839 00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:51.360 I loved it. 840 00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:55.039 So does John Wick. Chapter four, Oh, my god, it is. 841 00:41:56.360 --> 00:41:59.440 You're right before that did it because I watched those 842 00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:01.079 movies at this same day. You're right, I got it 843 00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:01.840 mixed up. You're right. 844 00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:03.480 They do it so well. 845 00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:05.960 They do it so well. You're absolut right. I can't believe. 846 00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:07.840 I thought it was the big old movie. It was 847 00:42:07.960 --> 00:42:09.920 John Wick four when I was watching it, and I 848 00:42:09.960 --> 00:42:13.760 loved it. I'm like, that's so great. Away, I have 849 00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:16.960 an interesting theory, I think, and I think Chow would 850 00:42:16.960 --> 00:42:19.320 love this, And for all of Chow's bashion of cops 851 00:42:19.360 --> 00:42:20.679 and stuff, the fact that he didn't come up with 852 00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:22.599 this theory. It's like, dude, this was like such low 853 00:42:22.599 --> 00:42:27.920 hanging through. Dude, get this. Luther is a freakin' rat 854 00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:31.519 for the cops. He's even wearing a sheriff's badge, and 855 00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:34.639 the cops show up at the rally and it's like, 856 00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:36.679 you gotta kill him there because then the gangs will 857 00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:39.079 never trust each other. I mean, that would have been 858 00:42:39.119 --> 00:42:43.000 a great conspiracy angle, and it very rarely gets brought up. 859 00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:46.840 I mean some people online mention it, but I ultimately 860 00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:49.480 what's in the script, and I think in the book 861 00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:51.639 he actually like is talking to his mother is one 862 00:42:51.679 --> 00:42:53.880 of the things they say, which kind of just adds 863 00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:56.920 to his creepiness, I suppose. But yeah, so we never 864 00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:59.559 know who he's talking to, and for Chow not to 865 00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:02.840 speculate and make a huge conspiracy theory about it with 866 00:43:02.880 --> 00:43:05.239 all the other crap he was spewing a bit of 867 00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:07.119 a missed opportunity. 868 00:43:08.199 --> 00:43:10.719 So I have one last thing, Shan. This is not 869 00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:13.079 part of the commentary, but it's something that sprang to 870 00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:17.000 mind when I was listening to it. Yeah, going back 871 00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:20.079 to two thousand and threes, I love the seventies. I'm 872 00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:24.119 obsessed with the VH one. I love the series. I 873 00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:26.480 think I think I've watched all of them, like at 874 00:43:26.559 --> 00:43:30.400 least six times each. Well yeah, but I mean like 875 00:43:30.440 --> 00:43:32.440 I recorded them and I got them on DVD, and 876 00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:33.920 I just plain, like, I love you. 877 00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:35.360 That's awesome, all right. 878 00:43:35.480 --> 00:43:37.239 And so Michael Lee and Black, who I have a 879 00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:40.480 huge crush on, said that, and ironically I have a 880 00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:42.440 huge crush on it because what he's about to say. 881 00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:46.840 He called it West Side Story for heterosexuals, which I 882 00:43:46.840 --> 00:43:49.960 think is the best note to go out on. 883 00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:53.599 Yeah, Lynn Manuel and Miranda expressed interest in doing a 884 00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:55.320 musical version of the Warriors, So. 885 00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:58.400 It's called streets of fire. They don't need to do it. 886 00:43:59.800 -->

00:44:01.400 Oh you know, I never thought of that. 887 00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:05.519 Yeah, Dylan, it was an honor having you on the 888 00:44:05.519 --> 00:44:08.639 podcast again. As if no one knows, tell the lovely 889 00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:11.000 listeners what you do, and you're not speck here talking 890 00:44:11.039 --> 00:44:11.360 to me. 891 00:44:11.599 --> 00:44:14.320 You know what, I'm gonna throw you a curveball. Because 892 00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:18.920 I accidentally got exposed during our friend Dwight Hurst's live 893 00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:23.079 overdose awareness show. I wanted to leave a supportive comment, 894 00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:26.800 but I did it under my noom de giere Santa 895 00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:30.239 the Snowman, where I write and publish Christmas music for 896 00:44:30.280 --> 00:44:33.559 a family friendly audience. So if you look up Santa 897 00:44:33.599 --> 00:44:36.440 the Snowman on YouTube or wherever you get streaming music, 898 00:44:36.880 --> 00:44:39.519 you can listen to a few fun Christmas songs I 899 00:44:39.639 --> 00:44:42.280 wrote that are fun for the whole family. But when 900 00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:44.639 I'm not trying to write the next hit Christmas song, 901 00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:46.880 you can find me on Reels of Justice with Ryan 902 00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:51.079 Luis Rodriguez. Every week we put a movie on trial. 903 00:44:51.239 --> 00:44:54.519 We have a judge, a jury. Some of these movies 904 00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:57.079 deserve an executioner. We're not that far yet. Tune in 905 00:44:57.079 --> 00:44:59.360 for Hell on Reels, though, and you can find us 906 00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:02.840 wherever you get amazing podcasts. Thank you so much, Ryan. 907 00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:10.360 Dylan, thanks again. So that was one track mine. But 908 00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:12.079 before we take off for the week, it's the moment 909 00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:22.239 you've all been waiting for. It's Ryan's recommendations, well to 910 00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:25.719 peel back the curtain. This was originally not going to 911 00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:29.199 be an episode on The Warriors. We had a rescheduling 912 00:45:29.280 --> 00:45:32.719 that became a cancelation, so I pivoted and Dylan was 913 00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:35.559 kind helping me out. But I've decided to keep the 914 00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:39.679 recommendations that I wrote intact, mainly because I'm lazy and 915 00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:42.519 didn't want to throw anything out, but also because I'm 916 00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:45.199 lazy and didn't want to throw anything out. But what 917 00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:49.199 subject could it be? Why it's George A. Romero's Dead 918 00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:54.199 trilogy actually rhymes. That wasn't done on purpose. First up, 919 00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:56.480 the film that started at all, the film that birthed 920 00:45:56.639 --> 00:46:01.119 an entire subgenre, the modern zombie movie, nineteen sixty eight's 921 00:46:01.280 --> 00:46:07.000 Night of the Living Bread Night of the Living Dead. 922 00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:11.679 Sorry I misread my notes here. Shot in grainy sixteen 923 00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:15.320 millimeter like the nightly news broadcasts of the time, specifically 924 00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:18.639 the footage of these still raging Vietnam War, it presents 925 00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:21.280 a first person account of the Rise of the Dead, 926 00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:25.119 dubbed Ghoules, set in a house in the middle of nowhere, 927 00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:28.199 excellent for a film set in the mid to late sixties. 928 00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:32.199 The film stars Dwayne Jones, a black man, as the protagonist, 929 00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:35.239 and although Romero insisted later on that there was no 930 00:46:35.280 --> 00:46:40.159 political subtext in that decision, I don't believe him. It's 931 00:46:40.199 --> 00:46:42.559 one of the most influential films of all time, much 932 00:46:42.639 --> 00:46:46.840 less horror films, and because it was accidentally never copyrighted, 933 00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:49.800 will never know exactly how much money it has taken 934 00:46:49.800 --> 00:46:53.079 in since nineteen sixty eight, But considering how ingrained it 935 00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:56.760 is in the culture, I'm gonna guess a lot, a 936 00:46:56.800 --> 00:47:00.360 little to a lot. The best monospeature on the Cryrian 937 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:03.639 four K disc has to be the sixteen millimeters work 938 00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:06.360 print of the film back when it was titled Night 939 00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:08.679 of a Nubis. Now, I'm not going to sit here 940 00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:10.159 and lie to you and say that I watched the 941 00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:12.440 whole thing, but I just love the fact that someone 942 00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:14.880 took the time to track it down and include it 943 00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:19.480 for posterity. Next up, nineteen seventy eight's Dawn of the Dead, 944 00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:23.400 largely considered not by me to be the greatest installment 945 00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:27.000 of the trilogy. It follows a ragtag collection of survivors 946 00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:29.800 of the zombie apocalypse who take up residents in a 947 00:47:29.840 --> 00:47:33.920 shopping mall to avoid to avoid rather the horde outside. 948 00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:38.320 It's easily Romiro's funniest film, mainly because he's scoring points 949 00:47:38.360 --> 00:47:41.800 about human nature tongue in cheek of the hollow decadence 950 00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:45.639 of American culture, without skimping on the great zombie violence, 951 00:47:45.639 --> 00:47:50.440 including exploding heads, screwdrivers in the ear, and shoulders being 952 00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:53.599 munched on. The movie would not exist without the efforts 953 00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:57.079 of the Italian Giallo master Dearyo

Argento, who helped finance 954 00:47:57.159 --> 00:47:59.639 it with the proviso that he have final cut of 955 00:47:59.639 --> 00:48:02.320 the year repean version of the film, which I'll mention 956 00:48:02.519 --> 00:48:05.639 in a few seconds. My favorite aspect of the second 957 00:48:05.679 --> 00:48:08.559 site four K disc is the fact that it contains 958 00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:12.800 three versions of the film, the theatrical version, the extended 959 00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:16.440 version that Romero brought to can and the Argento version, 960 00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:19.199 which strips away a lot of the comedy in satire 961 00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:23.400 and plays like a straightforward zombie flick. And finally, my 962 00:48:23.760 --> 00:48:27.639 favorite installment of the trilogy, nineteen eighty five's Dawn of 963 00:48:27.679 --> 00:48:30.719 the Dead. Now, I understand this is a controversial decision, 964 00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:34.440 but let me give a few bullet points. One, no 965 00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:38.960 more blue faced zombies. Apparently Tom Savini's makeup for them 966 00:48:39.000 --> 00:48:42.320 and Dawn was gray, but to this colorblind fool, it 967 00:48:42.400 --> 00:48:46.280 looks blue. Two. Speaking of Savini, some of his most 968 00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:50.079 inventive and nauseating makeup and practical effects are present. And 969 00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:53.320 I'm glad. Romero stuck to his guns and released the 970 00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:56.760 movie unrated, which meant not having enough money to realize 971 00:48:56.760 --> 00:49:00.760 his full vision, but he refused to compromise. And three 972 00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:06.559 bub the domesticated zombie in a perfect world, Sherman Howard 973 00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:09.800 should have received an Academy Award for his performance. And no, 974 00:49:10.159 --> 00:49:13.239 I'm not joking. My favorite bonus feature on the screen 975 00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:16.280 Factory Blu Ray is a ninety minute documentary in the 976 00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:20.039 film called World's End The Legacy of Day of the Dead. 977 00:49:20.559 --> 00:49:23.679 For more reviews and recommendations, check out my letterbox page 978 00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:32.280 at letterbox dot com. Slash one track Mind That'll do 979 00:49:32.320 --> 00:49:35.000 it for this week? Is there anything I overlooked? Reach 980 00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:37.000 out to me at one that is the Numeral one 981 00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:41.760 track Mind podcast on Instagram. One that is one trackmind 982 00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:44.719 dot bsky dot Social on Blue Sky, and we're on 983 00:49:44.800 --> 00:49:48.719 Facebook and Podchaser. If you enjoy what you hear, please 984 00:49:48.840 --> 00:49:52.679 rate and review and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or 985 00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:55.719 the source of your choice. Positive feedback helps keep the 986 00:49:55.760 --> 00:49:58.559 show alive and helps people find us, and I want 987 00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:00.880 to keep making it until it just is in fun anymore. 988 00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:04.199 Also check out the official Patreon page at patreon dot 989 00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:07.000 com slash one track Mine podcast, where you can get 990 00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:10.199 every episode early and commercial free, in an archive of 991 00:50:10.400 --> 00:50:13.519 three hundred hours of bonus content, including all of the 992 00:50:13.519 --> 00:50:16.519 Coolness Chronicles, a one hundred episode deep dive into the 993 00:50:16.559 --> 00:50:19.480 history and legacy of Mystery Science Theater three thousand, and 994 00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:23.519 the Shirley Chronicles, which uses nineteen eighties airplane as a 995 00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:26.719 springboard to discuss the films that inspired and the films 996 00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:29.599 that inspired it. And at one point I was actually 997 00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:33.000 doing even more bonus content every single week, so it 998 00:50:33.079 --> 00:50:37.000 might actually be close to I don't know, five hundred hours. Also, 999 00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:40.199 as mentioned earlier, check out the other podcasts that I 1000 00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:43.639 technically co host, Reels of Justice, a fake court of 1001 00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:46.960 opinion where in a prosecutor, defender, judge, and jury try 1002 00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:49.119 to conclude whether or not a movie is guilty of 1003 00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:51.599 being a bad movie. You can find it anywhere you 1004 00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:55.320 listen to this podcast. Special thanks to the amazing Lacy 1005 00:50:55.360 --> 00:50:58.400 Barker for the podcast artwork, Build Schirm for original themes 1006 00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:03.159 and special special things story equally amazing patrons Rose R. 1007 00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:08.719 Case A, Katherine H. Ll and I, Kathleen d is Et, 1008 00:51:09.360 --> 00:51:14.199 Bobby L. Michael A, Ian C, Kitty K, Kelly B. 1009 00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:18.920 De Verne, Mary M, Bill M and Tracy R. Thank 1010 00:51:18.920 --> 00:51:21.800 you so much for listening and until next time, I'll 1011 00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:34.199 be seeing you, Susan Darn. 1012 00:51:34.400 --> 00:51:35.360 That's the end. 1013 00:51:36.639 --> 00:51:38.840 Are you a film fan who loves the ultimate home 1014 00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:43.880 video experience, look no further than The Disconnected. Your host, 1015 00:51:44.119 --> 00:51:46.920 Ryan Verel, is your go to source for the latest 1016 00:51:46.920 --> 00:51:51.119 and most accurate information on home video releases, exclusive interviews 1017 00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:54.840 with industry insiders and filmmakers, and has established a thriving 1018 00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:58.800 community where every film and physical media enthusiast feels welcome. 1019 00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:03.719 From hit gems to blockbuster hits, The disc Connected brings 1020 00:52:03.760 --> 00:52:06.719 you insider knowledge and a welcoming space to share your 1021 00:52:06.719 --> 00:52:10.119 love of cinema. Watch every Thursday night at nine thirty 1022 00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:13.519 Eastern six thirty Pacific for the live announcements show and 1023 00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:17.400 follow the disc Connected on social media to stay updated. 1024 00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:21.320 Subscribe to The Disconnected on YouTube or on the podcast 1025 00:52:21.360 --> 00:52:24.400 provider of your choice, and dive into a world where 1026 00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:26.400 every movie night is an adventure. 1027 00:52:34.000 --> 00:52:36.840 Thank you for listening. To hear more shows from the 1028 00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:40.679 Someone's Favorite Productions podcast network, Please select the link in 1029 00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:41.280 the description.