Fullstendig transkripsjon av Episode 9: Beau is Afraid

00:05:42.879 Uh it it's I it's so hard to understand. 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:50.319 I don't even think watching it ten times would be enough to know every little thing. 00:05:50.639 --> 00:06:08.319 Because like I've said in the last two episodes, Ari Aster and A24 are extremely good at literally filling your TV screen with everything and giving you the ability to interpret what you're seeing. 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:18.879 So, from your perspective, when we were watching this film, we kind of have an idea of what this film is from the actual title. 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:19.920 He's afraid. 00:06:20.160 --> 00:06:25.680 He's got anxiety from what even the description of the movie talks about his anxiety. 00:06:26.399 --> 00:06:27.600 Let's get into that. 00:06:27.920 --> 00:06:30.240 Cause it's it's not just anxiety. 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:31.839 No, not even in a little bit. 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:33.279 So fill it fill a set. 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:35.920 Well, uh, there's so much. 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:37.600 So How about this? 00:06:37.759 --> 00:06:40.079 Let's let's kind of break it into sections. 00:06:40.240 --> 00:06:40.560 Okay. 00:06:40.879 --> 00:06:46.319 There, for the listeners, just so that you're aware, there is so much to unpack here. 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:48.879 We are not ever going to be able to cover it all. 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:57.360 But it's not enough to where you won't understand what we're talking about towards the end of this episode for a two-part or so. 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:08.319 We're gonna kind of break it off into sections and discuss the major things that we have seen that allowed us to come to the conclusion that we did. 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:17.839 And so let's let's break it off into sections of let's start from the very beginning to just before he loses his keys. 00:07:18.639 --> 00:07:20.639 So a lot of things happen in between there. 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:23.199 What was your biggest focus on when you were watching it? 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:24.720 What what did you grab on to? 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:30.800 All of the chaos going on, like, doesn't seem real. 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:34.399 Like it almost seems like this is all in his head. 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:43.040 Or honestly, as someone with OCD, I almost saw OCD at the beginning. 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:48.480 When you have OCD, it's I know I struggle with worst possible scenario. 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:51.839 Like anything that could that could possibly happen is gonna happen. 00:07:52.079 --> 00:07:56.720 You know, you try to do everything you can to prevent that, but you can't always prevent it. 00:07:56.959 --> 00:07:58.959 But like I almost saw that with him. 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:04.399 And then you're like, okay, yeah, he's anxiety he's he's anxious, he's got anxiety, that's why he locks himself in. 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:10.000 And at first you're kind of like, or is this guy cr is he's is he's psychotic? 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:16.319

Are these things that he's just uh are he are these hallucinations going on around him? 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:28.240 Yeah, and like just a real quick to paint you guys a picture in case you haven't seen the film, when he's out in the streets, when when she says chaos, there there's dead bodies on the ground. 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:32.639 There's things on fire, there's people yelling at each other, there's people dancing. 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:44.399 There's a guy chasing people naked with a knife, like there's And he's kind of a part of the film too, because he comes back a few times, but you know, full disclosure, you're gonna see full frontal in this film. 00:08:44.480 --> 00:08:49.200 So if you go watch it, make certain that you are of age to watch this film. 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:54.159 But um but that's what she means by chaos, and it's constant, it's always happening. 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:58.799 But as the viewer of the film, we are also seeing this. 00:08:59.039 --> 00:09:01.200 So it almost kind of confuses you. 00:09:01.600 --> 00:09:02.480 Like puts you in there. 00:09:02.559 --> 00:09:03.759 It's like mid-somar. 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:09.360 Where like you're you're almost like there with him, experiencing what he's experiencing. 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:12.240 That I that that kind of just blew me away. 00:09:12.320 --> 00:09:17.919 You're absolutely pre- it's mid-somar on the the craziest amount of steroids. 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:23.519 Or mid-somar on ecstasy, which they were kind of already on it, so if you can imagine. 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:27.519 Yeah, ecstasy with like with paranoid schizophrenia. 00:09:27.679 --> 00:09:27.840 Yeah. 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:36.320 It starts off with this middle-aged man, and he's just in this apartment by himself, and he's getting ready to go see his mom, and you don't know much about his mom yet. 00:09:36.559 --> 00:10:31.679 He has now you think he has like social anxiety because he doesn't leave his house, he lives by himself, he clearly lives off of disability, he doesn't work, and then like his mom, like he loses his keys because he takes this new medication that his doctor told him like you have to take with water, and then like, of course, again this goes back to like all the possible bad things that could happen could are happening where he doesn't have any water, and then he turns his faucet on, there's no water coming out, and then so he tries to decide do I leave my safe apartment in the chaos and run across the street and get a bottle of water, and then like just one thing after another, and then his mom calls him asking him where he's at, and and he's like, Well, I'm in my apartment and I lost my keys, and she just automatically assumes he's lying because he's trying to get out of going because that kind of makes you think like okay, yeah, he that he does this, like he like maybe he's coming up with excuses, but we're actually seeing these things happen, so then you're kind of like, Well, that's rude. 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:32.080 Yeah. 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:34.960 Again, you're not really you're not really sure what's happening. 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:38.879 Like the whole entire freaking movie, you're just like, What is what am I watching? 00:10:39.120 --> 00:10:50.799 As you get further along, like I start to no longer see anxiety, and I do see kind of like schizophrenic behavior. 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:53.360 I don't think that's what it is. 00:10:53.600 --> 00:10:55.120 I have a couple theories. 00:10:55.600 --> 00:11:10.159 Well, and it's like well, I mean, I I also have my own theories, but I'm also the one that doesn't have the license, so anything like that you won't hear my opinion on directly because I can't I don't have anything to back up what I'm saying. 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:14.399 Well, and I just want to add, like, it's a movie. 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:17.360 I'm not diagnosing a real person, you know? 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:20.080 So don't come at me. 00:11:21.279 --> 00:11:27.919 But like with yeah, like with him losing his keys and like there's even a scene where like he's just trying to take a bath. 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:30.879 And some guy falls on top of him from the ceiling. 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:33.600 He's just hanging up there, like in an impossible position. 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:35.200 This guy has a spider on him. 00:11:35.279 --> 00:11:39.360 The spider gets on his face, and then he falls, and it's just ugh, this huge mess. 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:48.559 Yeah, and trust me, folks, by the end of this episode, when we talk about the end of this film, you're gonna understand how ridiculously crazy this film can get. 00:11:48.879 --> 00:12:05.440 Once we've really kind of start to see the conversation he actually has with his mom about losing his keys and how frustrated she sounds, and then knowing what we know about the film, what she does because of it. 00:12:06.159 --> 00:12:12.879 And in my opinion, a lot of what is going on with Bo is coming from his mom. 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:13.759 Correct. 00:12:13.919 --> 00:12:14.480 Yeah. 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:23.679 Do we want to talk about that yet, or do we want to wait on that, on what mom has implanted into his brain? 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:26.960 I I think we should let's let's dive into it. 00:12:27.120 --> 00:12:45.360 Because the relationship he has with his mom is is, in my opinion, is the actual story that Ari is trying to tell during this crazy film is the dysfunction that he has between being a son and his mother being a mother. 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:46.240 Yeah. 00:12:46.480 --> 00:12:50.960 Well, actually, before we get into that, and I want to wait for a reason. 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:56.000 So I think one of my theories for Bo. 00:12:56.879 --> 00:13:00.399 Have you heard of schizoid personality disorder? 00:13:00.720 --> 00:13:01.200 Yes. 00:13:01.519 --> 00:13:01.840 Okay. 00:13:02.399 --> 00:13:12.080 So it's not the same

as schizophrenia, it's not the same as schizoaffective disorder, it's not even really like a a psychotic disorder, it's a personality disorder. 00:13:12.399 --> 00:13:16.720 It even used to be a derogatory term in the early 90s when somebody would call you a schizo. 00:13:17.039 --> 00:13:17.519 Mm-hmm. 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:22.159 Um, so it's a cluster A personality disorder. 00:13:22.320 --> 00:13:23.919 So there's three different clusters. 00:13:24.000 --> 00:13:26.399 There's cluster A, cluster B, and cluster C. 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:32.639 Well, this is kind of the overview of what schizoid personality disorder is. 00:13:32.960 --> 00:13:39.279 It is um social detachment, limited emotional expression, and a strong preference for isolation. 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:46.799 People with this disorder um rarely desire close relationships, including family. 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:57.600 They're often seen as loners, they are they're kind of looked at as like different or they're just odd, eccentric maybe. 00:13:58.000 --> 00:14:10.159 Um they exhibit kind of like a restricted range of emotions, often appearing detached, humorless, they avoid social activities, they have a lack of desire for relationships. 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:22.799 They this one not so much Bo, but typical people with schizoid personality disorder, they're typically indifferent to approval or criticism of others, which I don't think he has. 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:24.960 Um maybe he does. 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:31.360 They derive little to no pleasure from sensory, bodily, or interpersonal experiences. 00:14:31.519 --> 00:14:36.559 They just don't feel the same things that we feel. 00:14:36.879 --> 00:14:39.759 They don't have very many close relationships. 00:14:40.720 --> 00:14:48.240 Overall, their impact on their life, like individuals often function best in isolation. 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:52.799 Maintaining any sort of relationship is challenging. 00:14:53.039 --> 00:15:01.440 They act because they act distant and aloof, or like they just don't have relationships because they don't have any desire to have them. 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:22.480 But the reason I wanted to wait to talk about mom for a second is because when we talk about her, it might make sense to what I'm telling you next, which is that theories suggest that a lack of nurturing or a cold, neglectful environment during childhood may contribute to the development of this disorder. 00:15:22.799 --> 00:15:29.519 Which we know that his mom was very cold, very the opposite of nurturing. 00:15:29.840 --> 00:15:36.879 I it's like his sense of almost like paranoia, I guess. 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:43.200 Um which the crazy thing about it is these people live in isolation, but they don't feel lonely. 00:15:43.360 --> 00:15:46.399 Like, you know, if you're like by yourself, you're isolated, you feel lonely. 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:47.279 They don't get that. 00:15:47.360 --> 00:15:50.879 That's just they don't they just don't feel that at all. 00:15:51.120 --> 00:15:53.120 It's just kind of how it is. 00:15:53.360 --> 00:16:02.879 Um they also may experience like a painful dilemma of like needing security, but also not desiring any connection. 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:10.720 So they have that hard decision of like I don't want connection with someone, but I do still want to feel secure. 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:16.799 Oftentimes they don't seek help because their behavior is seen as normal or they lack the desire to change. 00:16:17.600 --> 00:16:22.320 I mean, if you're d some people could just be like, they're just an introvert. 00:16:22.399 --> 00:16:23.840 They just they're a homebody. 00:16:24.159 --> 00:16:28.080 You know, but really they don't know what's what's going on with them. 00:16:28.240 --> 00:16:33.360 They just don't have that desire to be around people, which I could see that. 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:40.159 But I could also see I could still also see the the schizophrenia piece too, where he's very paranoid. 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:42.879 But I think his mom has something to do with that as well. 00:16:43.200 --> 00:16:48.240 And so if you want to get into his mom and why we think she might have something to do with that. 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:51.919 His mother, Mona. 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:58.720 She she is a real man, she's a real piece of work, this woman. 00:16:59.120 --> 00:17:05.200 I don't know if you kind of felt this, but man, does she not have Augusta Gean vibes to you? 00:17:05.440 --> 00:17:05.839 Yes. 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:10.720 There's a very much edible complex going on between Bo and his mom. 00:17:11.680 --> 00:17:13.599 Bo is afraid. 00:17:14.079 --> 00:17:15.039 Of his mom. 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:16.000 Of his mom. 00:17:16.160 --> 00:17:16.640 Yeah. 00:17:16.880 --> 00:17:20.960 And he's afraid of disappointing her. 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:26.240 Like even his therapist in the beginning asked him if he would like her to die. 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:35.119 And we never could get an answer from that because, like, even I said it, like, I almost felt like his therapist was also on his mother's payroll. 00:17:35.359 --> 00:17:36.720 Well, yeah, he was. 00:17:36.960 --> 00:17:44.319 And we find out later on that, like, everything in Bo's world almost seemed handcrafted by his mom. 00:17:44.559 --> 00:17:45.119 Yes. 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:51.599 His mom put the thought in his head that the outside world is not safe. 00:17:52.960 --> 00:17:55.359 Even the word safety is a lie. 00:17:55.680 --> 00:17:56.000 Yeah. 00:17:56.319 --> 00:17:58.559 And you do that to a young child. 00:17:58.960 --> 00:18:04.640 The developmental issues that come with raising a child like that. 00:18:05.279 --> 00:18:09.839 But we also see in the very beginning that Bo had a not so easy birth either. 00:18:10.160 --> 00:18:10.640 Mm-hmm. 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:15.119 And but like, also you don't really even know what's going on. 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:17.920

Like, you're like, was he dropped? 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:20.799 Was he like injured? 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:22.799 Like, we really don't we really don't know. 00:18:22.960 --> 00:18:25.920 All we hear is mom talking. 00:18:26.240 --> 00:18:26.880 Yeah. 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:31.279 And she s definitely seemed concerned at that point. 00:18:31.839 --> 00:18:42.559 But with this film, and I don't know if we can really get into talking about Bo's mom without addressing the journey that it takes Bo to get there. 00:18:42.880 --> 00:18:43.200 Wow. 00:18:43.359 --> 00:18:43.839 Yeah. 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:56.000 We don't really have to go heavily in it, just because I would really like for you guys to sit down and watch this film if you wanted to at some point, and I don't want to give too too much away. 00:18:56.240 --> 00:19:06.640 What Bo goes through just to get to his mom, so the whole premise of the film is Bo is gonna go see his mom for a weekend, and all hell breaks loose. 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:30.720 Bo somehow manages to find himself getting hit by a bus, getting stabbed, finds out Mona, his mother, is headless, that a chandelier dropped on her head and she was dead, and one of her only wishes was for I cannot be buried unless Bo is here. 00:19:31.519 --> 00:19:45.359 So the people that hit him take him in, they fix his wounds because one of them's a doctor, but they almost like hold him hostage in the house, and like their son died, he's in the military, and so they're like he almost like replaces their son. 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:49.920 We almost could do a whole episode on just that part of the film. 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:53.440 Because with this movie, you're watching multiple movies. 00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:55.920 I know, it's crazy in the span of one. 00:19:56.240 --> 00:20:28.720 Like the daughter hates him because she thinks he's replacing my brother, and then like he keeps trying to go home, and the lawyer's like, you know, we can't bury your mom, she needs to be buried, she's dead, and you're taking your sweet time to get here, even though we know it's not his fault, and then like the daughter tries to sabotage a bunch of things, and then you just find out these people are liars and they're keeping him there on purpose, and it just it's just a whole and Bo manages through a lot more than that to get to his mom's house. 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:33.440 Literally, he's walking up to the door as the wake is over. 00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:57.599 And now he's in this house alone with his mom's body is still in the casket in the viewing room, which is ext it is extremely typical for viewings to be like that, especially if you either in your own home, and if in case you didn't know, before there were funeral homes and that kind of thing, people had their funerals in their living room. 00:20:58.400 --> 00:21:00.480 So not uncommon. 00:21:01.039 --> 00:21:12.240 Bo ends up reconnecting with uh an old girl that he had met during like a weird kind of like cruise, like hotel thing that him and his mom did when he was a kid. 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:14.559 They're probably like 12, 13, maybe. 00:21:14.799 --> 00:21:16.960 Um yeah, he meets this girl. 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:25.519 Girl seems to kind of be on his level already before Bo gets to that level later on in the film. 00:21:26.079 --> 00:21:35.119 Well, she ends up working for his mom, he finds out they end up having the strangest sexual encounter I've ever seen. 00:21:35.440 --> 00:21:37.599 Well, let's get into that really quick. 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:40.160 What is the significance of that? 00:21:40.480 --> 00:21:42.559 Do you want to talk about it or do you want me to? 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:48.880 I want I want you to talk about it, but I want to address something real quick before we get into it. 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:55.680 If you go back and you watch this film, up until this point in the film, you will see some things. 00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:59.759 And by some things, two things Bo is walking around. 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:02.960 With a literal pair of coconuts. 00:22:03.119 --> 00:22:04.799 No, I would say watermelons. 00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:12.400 Um, it definitely appears that he has elephantitis of some sort through the entire film. 00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:18.319 But like when we first watched that, we thought it was like we thought we were seeing shit. 00:22:18.720 --> 00:22:19.920 And we're like, no way. 00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:20.880 Why is that a thing? 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:30.799 And then we literally rewinded it back and paused it and stared at this dude's testicles in utter disbelief. 00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:32.799 Just like, what the hell? 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:51.359 But it's because his mom said that his dad died on their wedding night when they were consummating the marriage because he has a condition where it caused having sex for the first time caused him to have a heart attack and die. 00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:54.319 And that's how Bo was conceived. 00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:59.200 But then she told Bo his entire life that's gonna happen to you because it's genetic. 00:22:59.279 --> 00:23:02.400 And so he goes, he's in his forties probably, maybe older. 00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:03.599 He's gotta be older. 00:23:03.920 --> 00:23:14.720 And goes through his whole life think like with his mom telling him, like, you can't even kiss a girl, you can't have a relationship, you can't do any of this because you're gonna die. 00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:20.240 So he's terrified that if he has any sort of physical intimacy with somebody, he's going to die. 00:23:20.480 --> 00:23:30.960 And then what's crazy about the sex scene is like he lives and he's so excited, and he's just like, Wow, I I can't believe I'm not dead. 00:23:31.119 --> 00:23:35.920 And then she dies like immediately, and you're just like, What the hell? 00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:36.960 What just happened? 00:23:37.119 --> 00:23:38.720 And like his mom's

watching the whole time. 00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:41.200 Yeah, because his mom staged her death. 00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:46.799 She staged her death to make her son feel more guilty about not being able to come see her. 00:23:47.119 --> 00:23:52.079 Just as an ending conversation to the testicles, the rest of the film they're normal. 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:56.720 Because it was a visualization of pent up. 00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:00.319 But people do mention it, like the people who rescued him. 00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:02.000 Like, whoa, you got a problem going on here. 00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:04.319 They're like, hey, we noticed a little something, something. 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:07.519 His mom almost has an unhealthy obsession with him. 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:12.160 Like, that's her baby boy, and she will do anything for her baby boy. 00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:24.880 But like, at the same time, she keeps all these secrets from him and lies to him, and I I wanna get into this a little bit when I was doing some research about like what other professionals have thought about this movie. 00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:27.039 And I r I want you to listen to this. 00:24:27.200 --> 00:24:28.640 Are you familiar with Freud? 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:29.519 Yes. 00:24:29.839 --> 00:24:39.839 So you know that Freud is the founder of like the psychosexual part of psycho like psychoanalysis. 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:40.400 Yeah. 00:24:40.640 --> 00:24:41.759 Psychosexual theory. 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:43.039 Yeah, he introduced it. 00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:45.359 I hate Freud, I'm just gonna come up and say it. 00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:54.160 Um But Bo is Afraid, some people think is like a Freud it's a whole movie about a Freudian guilt trip. 00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:55.440 And this is why. 00:24:55.759 --> 00:25:02.319 Explores the themes of trauma, castration anxiety, and extreme mother-son dependency. 00:25:02.640 --> 00:25:11.440 So some of the themes, like of course, like I talked about with the edible complex, um, castration anxiety, the we haven't talked about this yet. 00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:16.319 The penis monster up in the attic, the attic that he's not allowed to go into. 00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:25.039 The giant penis monster is interpreted as a manifestation of Bo's repressed sexuality and fears. 00:25:26.160 --> 00:25:36.079 And then unconscious re this was really cool, unconscious and repression, water imagery throughout the film is thought to represent the unconscious mind. 00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:43.599 So you're familiar with like the un like the conscious, unconscious, subconscious, right? 00:25:43.839 --> 00:25:44.079 Yep. 00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:50.480 And the attic represents the subconscious, which is a place containing suppressed memories. 00:25:51.440 --> 00:25:56.000 Um the film is viewed as imaginative internal world of the protagonist. 00:25:56.079 --> 00:26:03.279 It's often unclear if the bizarre events are real or hallucinations, uses guilt as a driving force. 00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:09.680 But there's also like talks about specific scenes, like the birth opening. 00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:20.799 The film begins with a chaotic, traumatic birth scene, um, which has from his first moment of life, Bo thinks with fear, and the mother as subject is dominant. 00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:27.440 He confronts the attic, which is his psychosexual or his sex monster or his twin. 00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:30.240 Um the play in the woods. 00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:44.720 The sequence is seen as a key to understand the film, acting as an allegoral, allegorical representation of Bo's anxieties about potential futures, because if you see, all the plays are somewhat about they're about Bo, but other people are watching his story. 00:26:45.119 --> 00:27:00.799 Um, from theoretical perspectives, from a Freudian perspective, the it's often described as a Freudian Odyssey deeply influenced by psychoanalysis focusing on the sexual angst, um, from Carl Jung or the Jungian. 00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:16.640 Water imagery suggests a focus on the unconscious mind and the return of repressed, but then like modern psychoanalysis, the film explores a psychotic world and alien personality as described by studies in modern psychoanalysis. 00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:28.400 Um, so some people see it as like a psychotic break reflecting a long suppressed childhood memory, or it's a form of like externalization of Bose fears. 00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:31.519 I think it can be a little bit of everything. 00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:37.920 Um but I ultimately think it kind of goes back to trauma. 00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:41.200 We know he's got trauma somewhere from mom. 00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:51.440 Yeah, and like speaking of mom and kind of going further with your Freudian stuff. 00:27:52.480 --> 00:27:54.000 You want to hear what I wrote down? 00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:54.799 Yes. 00:27:55.119 --> 00:28:02.640 So in um in Freudian terms, this is a devouring mother archetype. 00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:03.519 Yep. 00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:08.880 She provides life but demands total ownership of it in return. 00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:14.240 Hence the constant guilt trips that she sends him on. 00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:17.279 Goes as far as faking her own death, yeah. 00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:20.720 Having people hundreds of people involved. 00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:39.920 Like, there's even a scene toward the end of the movie where there's a a portrait of his mom on the wall, but if you get close enough, it's a portrait that is made of little pictures of the people working for her, including the two people that hit him with the car. 00:28:40.319 --> 00:28:41.519 Including his therapist. 00:28:41.920 --> 00:29:01.440 And his therapist, and but I I think I don't know, it's really hard because there's so much going on in this movie that it's actually a lot harder to kind of dive into from a psychoanalytic perspective because you just don't really know. 00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:03.519

No, you don't. 00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:07.759 I mean, yes, I think he's traumatized, yes, I think his mom's a narcissist. 00:29:08.079 --> 00:29:14.480 But I mean I also think he could be a little paranoid and he could be over exaggerating. 00:29:14.720 --> 00:29:19.680 Or like maybe the whole thing is him just having one big delusion. 00:29:19.920 --> 00:29:34.960 Or like back in the day before schiz 'cause I don't know if you knew this, but before the DSM five came out, schizophrenia was actually split up into different types of schizophrenia. 00:29:35.200 --> 00:29:38.160 Like you'll hear people say paranoid schizophrenia. 00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:38.880 Yep. 00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:44.319 Um you'll hear people say like you'll hear people just talk just say different types of schizophrenia. 00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:49.920 Paranoid schizophrenia was the type of schizophrenia that was just paranoia. 00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:52.960 But now they've lumped everything just into schizophrenia. 00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:59.440 And he's almost got these like accusatory delusions, like everyone's out to get him, everyone wants to hurt him. 00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:04.880 So it c it literally could just be that he's schizophrenic. 00:30:05.119 --> 00:30:13.279 And at the very end, his mom is like trying to get him to realize like that he's he needs help. 00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:13.839 Yeah. 00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:15.759 You know, it very well could be. 00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:21.839 But it could also be that he was literally made that way by his mother. 00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:22.799 Yeah. 00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:32.400 Well, you know Bo is afraid it it's technically a comedy. 00:30:32.720 --> 00:30:33.839 It is pretty funny. 00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:36.640 But it's a divine comedy. 00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:44.960 It's a movie for anyone who has ever felt like they owe the world an apology just for existing. 00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:46.960 Is it a masterpiece? 00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:49.680 Is it a mess? 00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:51.279 Maybe it's both. 00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:56.720 I know one thing though, is I'll never look at a chandelier the same way. 00:30:56.960 --> 00:30:57.279 Nope. 00:30:57.519 --> 00:30:59.279 I'll always think of Bo. 00:30:59.920 --> 00:31:06.880 Don't walk under chandeliers, my friends, because you will I'm gonna pull a coach from Mean Girls. 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:08.319 Don't walk under chandeliers. 00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:12.000 Because they will hit you and they will decapitate you and you will die. 00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:19.440 Um I'm not quite sure if this is the end of our A24 series. 00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:21.359 I think we've got a couple more movies in us. 00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:22.880 We got a few more, I think. 00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:28.799 Um I've got some people asking for us to do certain ones, so I think we might do two more and then move on. 00:31:30.079 --> 00:31:30.319 Yeah. 00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:36.400 And like I said, if you have any ideas for what you would like us to do, and maybe it's not even a series. 00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:43.359 Maybe we just do a couple of random films that don't involve really anything but what we want to talk about and then go into the next series. 00:31:43.599 --> 00:31:49.200 Or like if you want us to just do movies with a specific actor. 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:50.160 Yep. 00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:53.039 Like several movies with this one actor, you know. 00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:53.680 Yeah. 00:31:54.240 --> 00:31:57.920 Oscar Isaac, I'd be totally fine watching another Oscar Isaac movie or another ten. 00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:03.359 Hey, I would be totally fine getting a little bit of Anthony Hopkins in here with Silence of the Lambs. 00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:05.759 Oh Clarice. 00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:23.279 But thanks again for everybody who is still sticking around and listening, listening to us chit-chat, and I really hope everything's going okay out there for everybody, and our world will get to a point where we can even out again. 00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:31.519 There's just a lot of weird things happening all at once, and we are doing our best to continue to put out great content for you guys. 00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:45.599 And like we said in the beginning of the episode, next week I will be launching our Patreon, and please go give that a check, see what you can do with that, and hopefully you like what AI comes up with. 00:32:45.680 --> 00:32:59.519 I'm really, really excited to start this segment because we will be going into this every episode on Patreon together, having no clue what we're reading or listening to. 00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:03.839 And I I don't think there's any better thing I can do. 00:33:04.079 --> 00:33:11.759 Forgive me if I choke up on my words or if I may not know how to say something properly because I'm still uneducated apparently. 00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:15.680 And um, but yes, I'm very excited to launch that. 00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:17.680 And thanks again, everybody. 00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:19.359 Have a good night.