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Uh, hello, everybody, It is me Cecily Nobler here with
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Stephanie Wilder Taylor the beautiful mostly just beautiful. I take
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away your other compliments. She doesn't have to, you know what.
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Not everyone has to be smart, someone has to be
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funny or nice.
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She's very pretty good. Let the thing at this age,
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I will absolutely take that. Thank you, welcome, thank you, Yes,
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you need it. Okay, today, I guess we shouldn't be
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this light. No, not for this. Maybe should we do
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the other thing for no, I don't have the other short.
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Yeah, we're gonna start with what we're gonna start with,
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but that was just to easy win because we're gonna
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get pretty serious and we should definitely say trigger warning.
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We'll say it on the thing that we're saying it now,
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in case you missed the description of the show. Yeah,
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because this is sure a definite trigger And we waited
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a week or so to talk about it because it
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was like too much even for us.
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Let me say, I wouldn't say one thing, which you know,
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I know is sort of neither here nor there for
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anybody who doesn't listen to for crying out loud, but
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on for crying out loud Lynette and I did do
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an entire episode. It was a Patreon because it was
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sort of right after this had happened about the story,
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not all the not as many details were out at
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the time, and I thought, I just want to say
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this because this is going to be the same for us.
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I thought that we were very respectful and like made it.
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We made it a bigger conversation about parenting a mentally
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ill child, you know, and the difficulties that it would
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seem in that And I and somebody got really offended
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and said that we sounded like to like gossipy whatever. Girls.
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And I just want to say this off the bat,
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because that is not our intention. This is we are
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not Our intention is not at all to gossip about this.
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It's a very sad story, and we just want to
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discuss the horror of it all and sort of and.
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Sort of piece some things together we have. Yeah, and
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we haven't said what we're talking about yet, which is
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Rob Reiner. Yeah, and I assume you've heard, so we
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don't have to really tell you this story. We can
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say though, that we were both in complete shock. Like Steph,
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it was like Sunday evening. Steph texted me and she's like,
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did you see this about Rob Reiner? And I looked
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it up and I was like, oh, it looks like
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someone was airbeane being his house and it's not weird
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how our brains do that thing, as though that would
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be okay, as we also why would that even be
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okay that someone airbnbat his house and just got like
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murdered or two bodies were found, Like, also not okay,
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But we have to I don't know, it's like everything
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in the world right now feels like so much that
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we have to make everything a little bit better. Well
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at least this didn't happen, or at least you know
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what I mean. And we're like, it can't.
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Be the worst thing. It can't be the worst thing.
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It was just so shocking because it's like a very
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big sort of celebrity who's meant a lot to us
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in our lives, and it just seemed so out of reality.
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And also the way the story was being reported was
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very confusing because they were saying that age, they were
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saying that two people.
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Had died were in Rob Reiner's house, in.
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His house, and the ages of the people were the
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same as Rob Reiner's age, and his wife's age. But
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as we kept saying to each other, we were on
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the phone a bunch during this, we were like, okay,
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but how would they know their ages of the victims?
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In least right? It seemed like it, but we did
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keep going like, well maybe not.
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Well, then a really weird thing happened.
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Now are we going to get into it or should
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should
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Oh?
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All right, thank you. That all said.
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So as Steven and I are talking about this, and
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I'm not going to go too into this, but this
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is kind of fascinating. I texted when I saw it.
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I was like, uh, I texted a friend group I
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can say this, and I was like, oh my god,
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did you guys hear about reb Reiner? So the I
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can see one of my friends is dot dot dotting
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like right away, and I guess I can say this
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now I say his name, not gonna say his name.
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But my friend was like, holy shit, you won't believe this.
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Don't talk about it, which we didn't. I didn't even
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on the radio the next day, which I was like,
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should a But he's like, I was at the Conan party.
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So my friend was like, I happened to go to
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the Christmas party at Conan's house, and this is all
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coming in before, so I'm telling Stephanie. I said I
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wouldn't tell anybody, but obviously I'm going to tell you
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right right, And I mean, you know I did do that,
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but like I was like uh, and so he's like, yeah,
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a crazy thing happened at Conan's Christmas party. And then
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he proceeded to tell me everything that came out the
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next day.
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So TMZ didn't new story till later, but we knew.
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Yeah, Well, I was getting pieces because I was on
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two different text threads, and one I had said it
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to a different text thread, and my a different friend
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who was not at the party, was like, I'm seeing
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on Reddit that it's the Sun. So that's way before
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it had been put out on TMZ that it was
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the Rob Render's son Nick, who we're going to talk about.
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So when I said that to my other thread, he's like, yeah, okay,
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I'm just going to tell you I was at the
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Conan party. The son Nick came in. He was causing
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a trouble. He got into some kind of screaming match
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is the way he described it. Maybe he didn't say
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screaming much, but some kind of like issue with Bill Hayter.
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And then next thing he said.
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Conan looked really like concerned, like kind of looking for security,
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and then he got in a big fight with Rob.
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And that's I mean, everything that we knew.
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And it was so weird to know it in real
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like almost real time before the out like news had it.
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It was I didn't know what to do with that.
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I was like, well, should we go to the police, Like.
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Do they not know yet? Yeah?
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That was crazy, Like it was crazy because you know,
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Reddit's been solving crimes. They saw the crime recently.
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was the crime that they saw something? They're just good like, oh,
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it was the Brown University shooter.
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They found him. Reddit did it, like they traced every
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step of that.
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So, you know, I honestly was thinking, well, if we
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have all this information, honestly, I might should call the police.
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I didn't, but they already they already Jamsey knew, so
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are the outlets didn't They held it and the reason
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that they held so we'll get into that. We don't.
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So I have a friend too, I have a friend.
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My friend told me that, like friend of a friend
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situation was the massage therapist and this was reported that
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came to their house.
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Oh I didn't know this. You're a better friend because
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you didn't tell.
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Uh, well, it wasn't even a secret. So my friend
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told me that, Okay, her husband's partner has a massage Anyway,
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the massage therapist went to the house and they didn't answer.
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The door was Robin Michelle's messuse, and they didn't answer.
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So he called the daughter and that's how she got alerted,
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and she went into the house to go look for them.
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And then the daughter is the one that knew. She's like,
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that's the suspect. That's who you should she knew was
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the brother, right, like without knowing, without knowing.
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So let's talk about Yeah, yeah, we won't. I don't
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think we should describe what happened. No, but I need
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to make everybody knows.
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And some of the bullet points, I guess broad strokes
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that Nick the son, which will get into his mental
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health and other things. But he immediately knew he had
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checked himself into a hotel immediately. He immediately used his
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own credit card. That's important in the story for some reason.
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But to book the best lawyer, I shouldn't say best,
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the skeeviest lawyer there is that could probably get him off.
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You know, I think it's Diddy's lawyer, Marty sand Yeah,
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Marty Singer. So he did that. So I just want
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to put that in and people can say whatever they want,
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but I just want to My opinion is like I
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don't My big opinion is I don't know how mentally
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it like if you kill someone and if you kill
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your parents, especially in cold blood, you're everyone that does
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that is mentally ill. It is not a reason to
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get off in my opinion. That's just my opinion. But
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he knew enough, being so mentally ill and so fucked
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up to call the best lawyer that there is. Somehow
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he did because you know what I'm saying, Like if
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you're Charles Manson and you're ranting and raving on a mountaintop,
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you know I love Manson?
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Yeah, I know you do.
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Well.
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I just like a great position. Yeah, And I think
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he's attractive. I'm just kidding. I don't like him, but
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do you know what I mean?
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Like, there's to me, it's like if you had the
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sound mind check yourself in a hotel and call get
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a lawyer with your own credit card. That's interesting to me.
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It's just information that's to me. I apply it in
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a different way, but it's information. We're going to get
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into it.
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Before we even get into all that, I just want
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to say that, like where I feel like I want
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to come from in talking about this, because I'm not
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a mental health expert, but I think one of the
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points that I think is difficult for addicts. Okay, because
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this guy Nick is a drug addict, I just want
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to say, like, not all addicts, and it's almost appable,
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Like the whole idea of putting this there's mental illness,
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there's also in my mind and this is of course,
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you know, only my professional opinion as a podcaster, but
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personality disorder too is a major thing. And to to
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say that like a lot of drug addicts are not
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violent people, right, the addicts like they're like they.
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Have a the same with any mental That's the thing
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I guess the person is trying to make yes, yes, yes.
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So it's really kind of tacky. It's hard on the community,
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and it's hard on parents that like to blame the
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parents and blame you know and people that have family
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members that are dealing with mental illness, like this is rare,
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this is rare to be this, and we're going to
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talk about some things that make me think more sociopath.
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One hundred percent is what I one hundred percent agree. Now,
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I don't know if I should first like play you.
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I don't know if you're going to be able to
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hear this. Hopefully there's no reason on music, right, let's
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try to think so. So this is on This was
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from TikTok and this was four days ago, and I
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think it's the first time that I know. I can't
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believe I'm going to say this about Harvey Levin of
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TMZ has been giving very like thoughtful like play by
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plays of what's going on. Because he's wasn't a lawyer.
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He comes from like a legal stamp.
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Yeah he was.
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So this is what he said. I don't know if
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there's a newer one, but let me just see if
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this even works.
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Okay, not guilty, And this is right before he pleaded
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can you hear it? Yeah? Now I can't diagnosed now
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I can't schizophrenia.
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receiving meds. His behavior in the month before the murders,
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and this is a quote from sources with direct knowledge,
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was erratic and dangerous. He went to an la rehab facility.
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a number, but in particular this one that specializes in
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treating mental illness. It's really expensive. It cost seventy thousand
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dollars a month. Lots of rich, powerful parents send their
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kids to this facility who have mental illness. And Nick
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was there in the three to four weeks, and this
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is so important. In the three to four weeks leading
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up to the murders, Nick's medications were changed, and they
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were changed because he was exhibiting more and more erratic
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and dangerous behavior. When they were changed, they weren't right
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and it was making him, as one source put it, crazy,
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and the doctors were trying to adjust the meds, but
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it wasn't mosty, and he was getting more and more erratic.
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told the substance abuse worsened the schizophrenia.
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Paints a picture of someone. In fact, these words were
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knowledge that he was quot out of his head at
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the time of the murders. So, based on everything I know,
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is not going to be a case where they can
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test that Nick did it. I think they're going to
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concede it. I don't know that for a fact.
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That's basically it. He's just talking about the legality of it.
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about the meds and how like, yeah, he was on
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all the wrong meds. He shouldn't have even been in rehab.
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to me, even though Harvey's you know, he can be
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cool sometimes sometimes he is also a puppet for.
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on it?
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Because he wants him to get off on insanity defense,
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Like Okay, I'll give you, I'll give you an example
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and then I'll just you say what ever, Like I
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look at anybody that does something like this, like a
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Dahmer or somebody who like, you know, I don't know.
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I don't know what that trial was. I didn't, I
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don't know I who. We're too young for that. I
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don't know what the Dahmer trial was. But like basically
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what he'd said, and I've talked about this, is that
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he said, don't don't you don't need Yeah, I did it,
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keep me in jail, I will do this again. Don't
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let me out, do you know what I mean? Like
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anybody could say that. I think if you've done that,
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then that's what you've done. And to your point, like,
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not all addicts, not all people with mental health, schizophrenia, bipolar,
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any whatever it may be, it's not a defense. Like
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if this guy walks. I The ironic part is is
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probably what Rob would have wanted. That's the weirdest part
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to wrap my head around is it seems like he
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was just Rob and Michelle would do we're trying to
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do everything for their kid, understandably, and I don't know
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what that feels like because I don't have kids, and
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loved him hard enough and was like, you gave him
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enough money, made a movie for him, he'd be okay,
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but the he wasn't okay right right, And I mean
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beyond here, let me turn off Hararby because he's still
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family m but beyond mental health and beyond addiction, like
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he you know how.
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We were saying like maybe he's just.
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Well not great. I mean, I know you think he's cute,
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but I don't think he's cute.
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Well, okay, I guess. And maybe this is judgmental, but uh, okay,
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let me read you something. Yes, this is from Northeastern Edu.
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So this is like Northeastern Northeastern Global News and the
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articles did Nick Reiner's drug use mask longstanding mental health problems?
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Experts say drug use may be the first red flag
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to come to parents' attention when a child is dealing
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with symptoms of mental illness. Nick Reiner had been open
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about his addictions, even collaborating with his famous father about
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drug rehab and family tensions in
the semiotographical movie Being Charlie.
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But in the days since the thirty two year old
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was charged with murder, I'll just skip some of this,
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a picture has emerged of a young man who was
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also beset by mental health problems. I am clearly reported
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that Nick has been diagnosed with schizophrenia, a complex psychotic disorder.
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While The New York Post quoted a family friend as
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saying Nick's outbursts at age eleven were so severe he
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had to be restrained in bear hugs. Psychologists at Northeastern
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Universities said people with depression, anxieties, schizophrenia, or bipolar disorder
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tend to use alcohol and drugs more than the general population.
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There's literal voices if he's schizophrenic, he was quieting paranoia.
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of comment on Nick Reiner's situation, they said that in general,
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substance use can play a role in delaying diagnosis and
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treatment of mental health disorders, and in very rare cases,
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they said, drugs and alcohol can tip a mentally ill
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person into homicidal behavior.
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didn't know the meth car. People have said that, But
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do we have that as fat in the work, because
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I think people are just saying that, but I'm not
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sure that that's been discussed legally yet.
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Okay, well, maybe saying it because I've heard it from
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several different sources. But it says Robert Lehman, professor and
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chair of Northeastern's Department of Public Health and Health Sciences,
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said using substances can exacerbate symptoms associated with mental health conditions,
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such as schizophrenia, and could increase the risk of violence.
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It's especially the case, he said, if the substance use
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is heavy and the substances are quote associated with psychosis,
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such as cannabis and meth amphetamine.
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do not have mental illness. There's a big co morbidity
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between those two. And that's what Harvey Levin was saying.
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That he was in a facility for dual diagnosis basically
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particularly with certain mood disorders depression, anxiety, post traumatic stress disorder.
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But we're hearing that he was like this since he
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was eleven.
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It also says starting drug and alcohol use in adolescence,
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particularly the early teens, also increases the probability of having
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a mental health disorder down the road. It's a real
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chicken and egg kind of problem. She said. It's very
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difficult to disentangle what's going on. It's tough because some disorders,
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like schizophrenia, we may not diagnose until age twenty five.
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So the brain itself changes as substance abuse develops, essentially
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rewiring itself. So basically, if he had some kind of
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mental health, right, so it says Nick Reiner said he
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started to abuse drugs as early as age fifteen, maybe
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to self medicate what was going on with him that
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we know went back as far as age eleven. Right,
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this Rageah, so he's self medicating at like fifteen, he's
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already in rehabit age fifteen. Well, if you have a
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You're predisposed to like a mental illness like schizophrenia specifically,
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you know, like it's so schizphrenia one of the things.
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There's lots of things.
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Your neurons are misfiring to different places, so you're making
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connections that are not really there.
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So if you're trying to like and I'm not trying
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to be like some genius, it just that was my
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I was so interested in that, Like I've read, I had,
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I had a book. A guy came over once and
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there was just a book called like Surviving Schizophrenia on
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my coffee table and he's like, I.
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Was like, no, no, I'm just reading. I'm not.
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I mean I could be though, you know, right, survive it,
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but it's interesting. So I will just tell you really quick.
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When I first saw his picture, I knew and I
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think I.
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Told you that.
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I was like, that's that's stay. I know that stare.
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I know that, I know it like i've seen it
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because I knew this guy way back exactly like he
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was in his twenties.
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And I think I don't remember which one is a
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little older.
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I think males get diagnosed a little older girl girls
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are usually around nineteen twenty. It can change, but he
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could be around twenty nine. And I remember like going
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to do a comedy show with this guy that I
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was like a friend of a friend's and he was
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being so weird and he was like looking around and
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he's like they're talking, they're talking about us, and I'm like, no, no,
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they're not. You're just high, you know. He was smoking
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a shit ton of pot. Cut to two years later,
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he was like fifty one fifty fir schizophrenia. He was
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diagnosed with schizophrenia. I think I've told you about that,
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and he escaped and has been like on the streets
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ever since. And he smokes a shit ton of pots.
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And the pot is to quiet literally quiet the voices
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or whatever other drugs. But if you have a excess
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of dopamine, that's going to make it so much worse
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every single time, which is what happened here. But then
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the question becomes like, still we go. But a lot
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of people have that diagnosis and they don't stab their parents.
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Because this guy didn't just one day wake up and
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stab his parents. He's been pretty difficult for a long time.
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Well, this is where this is where I really feel
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that there's also personality disorder going on. A personality yeah,
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because so like in the rest of this article and
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I won't even read you more,
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the fact that sometimes when you have mental health stuff
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going on or a personality disorder, the drug abuse is
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treated first because that's the thing that you see, right,
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that's the thing that's most disruptive to the family. They're
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kind of saying, So you send them to rehab and
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they try to deal with the addiction, right, But if
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they're not dealing with what else is going on? Then
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that just keep they it's very difficult to get sober,
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which he's been in like twenty mental health facilities. But
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here's something that seems to me to be a kind
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of indicative of personality disorder. And here's another article, the
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extreme ruse Nick Reiner invented to score meds ahead of
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his parents' murders. So Nick Reiner has attempted to claim
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quote crazy before. So I'm saying he previously admitted he
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once concocted a plan to make himself appear mentally unstable
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so he could score medication at a rehab facility. So
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he told this quote really funny story on the Dopey podcast. Yeah,
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we'll he'll be playing that while promoting his and Rob
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semi autobiographical But he was promoting being Charlie. Here's being Charlie,
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which was very bad. It got very bad. Route. Yeah,
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here's the quote. They refuse to give me meds because
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they were like, you don't need any meds, and I
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was freaking out. Nick, who has been to rehab twenty times,
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told the host, explaining that he then set out to
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quote prove he was crazy. And this is I think
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very weird. According to Nick, the medical staff at Alena
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Lodge in New Jersey thought his insistence on needing meds
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was an act and calling his claims fake. I was like,
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how do I show these motherfuckers that I'm crazy, he recalled, thinking.
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So I was like, I'll thow a rock through a window.
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The thirty two year olds who was thirty two at
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the sime just decided to target a beloved quote meeting
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room of sorts that had big glass windows. He admittedly
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quote hated how special the room was to the staff.
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Oh that's just a bad dude, right, So I took
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a rock and I started on the path and I
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was going up this hill and I went and I
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threw the rock through the window, and some woman saw
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me and she rated on me, and then they put
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me on well Beautrinnie, he said, with a laugh.
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That is just sociopathic, Like you said, that's what I'm saying.
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Yeah, I agree.
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I mean, I'm sorry, Like this is we're not his
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We're not I mean, it's definitely a mental health professional
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and I'm a lawyer, but like we don't know him personally,
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but honestly, we can have opinions and based on I
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told you when I started watching like when Rob did
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the press, he was doing junkets with him for this
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bad movie. And I mean it was so sad to
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see how much Rob was trying, like he's like, oh god,
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my kid is such a great writer. And I never
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really understood what he was going through until he wrote
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this and he said Dad, and he's like, you know,
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nobody else should ever direct this. And you can see
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his face, like Nick's face. Now, some of that could
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be the schizophrenia, that is paranoia. Some of it is that,
486
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it could be that, but also on top of that,
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like you said, like he looks bad. It's not good.
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It's just not good.
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And then it's a combination of things and it's very
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very difficult to deal with. And I hate the idea
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that Rob was sort of blaming himself of like oh
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I shouldn't listened to him. I shouldn't have sent him
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to like the you know, the outward Bound or whatever
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kind of they sent him to. It's like, how could
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I don't think there's more he could have done?
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It was my fav It's so so very sad, obviously
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so tragic, and I just had another thought of I
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was just going to say something about like tough, tough loving.
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I mean, you know, I guess. I mean, what a
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nightmare for the other siblings. I can't even fathom. And
501
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I had a thought but it's gone. But it was
502
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something about, you know, tough love. But again, that's really hard.
503
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He would have done anything, including dying for this kid,
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and that's what he did. But the ironic part is
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like he just everybody's everybody's fucked up.
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Now, that's that.
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Like, I don't know how you I just don't know.
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I don't know if if in any way this can
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be like a warning, like a a kind of what
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do you call it when a lesson but there's another
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word for it, like you know.
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Like a public service announcement.
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Yeah, like kind of in a way for people. Because
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you know, what's interesting, I'll just say this too. There's
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lots of like people groups on Facebook and places that
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are forming about like yep, we had one of those,
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yep that was my brother, yep, that was my sister.
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A lot of that, and you read these people's stories
519
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and they're like, yeah, we had to do this or
520
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were we didn't do this in time and we don't
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know where he is or whatever it was, So maybe
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it can be a warning for like, but what would
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you do, Like if if it was your son.
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What would you do? Well, that's the thing, and like,
525
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the the reason why I almost started this out by
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saying it seemed unfair that somebody said we were being
527
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gossipy is because, like Lynette, I mean, not to speak
528
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about Lynette without her around, But like she dealt with
529
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a her mother had mental illness, she had schizophrenia, and
530
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they got to call they had to call the pet
531
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team back in the day. She had to like call
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services to have her mom taken away at times where
533
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she was like really losing her mind and losing But yeah,
534
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what do you do? What do you do when you're
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like her mom wasn't dangerous, right, you know, it wasn't
536
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going to hurt somebody usually, but usually you're not.
537
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Right.
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That's the thing that was kind of our point at
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the beginning, Right, you might harm yourself more likely than
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you would harm someone else.
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People with mental illness are definitely more likely to be
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the victim of a vice crime than the perpetrator of
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a violent crime.
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Yes, but in this case it can't happen. Yeah, it
545
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can happen though, and in this case, like, yeah, like
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you said, and in.
547
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This case, if he was a dangerous sociopath that so
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many people were warning about that that's also like how
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do people how do you know, how do you protect yourself? Well?
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Here, you know what, that's an interesting I'm glad you
551
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said that because kind of jogs my memory, like he
552
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was a master or I believe he is a master manipulator,
553
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not unlike a Ted Bundy or anybody liked that. They
554
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knew exactly what cards to play at what time. And
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you'll never I mean, that's never going to be And
556
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I'm not saying he killed multiple people like Ted Bundy,
557
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but I do think that there's a similarity in this
558
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person like that because they knew exactly when to pretend
559
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to be the victim, when to pretend to be all
560
00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:16.759
the things. Yeah, because just by definition of what let's
561
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say ten but you know, Bundy or dom or something like,
562
00:29:19.039 --> 00:29:22.799
they're mentally ill too, right right, right, Like it's just
563
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not But also.
564
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Yes, the idea that he was like it made him
565
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mad that the windows that the glass windows were like
566
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loved by the staff. That made him mad.
567
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He was so I mean, he obviously had behavioral anger.
568
00:29:41.240 --> 00:29:41.880
What did we call that?
569
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Opposition, opposition, like he had all that, and he had rage,
570
00:29:47.279 --> 00:29:49.880
which just caused from whatever. I mean, that's not schitz.
571
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:52.880
Rage isn't from schizophrenia. So that's its own separate thing,
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like you're saying, and that doesn't necessarily mean you're any
573
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of those things. But he had all of them, right,
574
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all of them. And if you watch the junkets, like
575
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he just seemed, he comes off like a very angry,
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like rich kid, you know what I mean, Like yeah, dad,
577
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and then he's like he doesn't sound I mean, that's
578
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:11.799
the thing. It sounds like he can turn it on
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and off at will, and that's kind of crazy too.
580
00:30:15.319 --> 00:30:17.559
That's a manipulation tool.
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And then also at the party, we just didn't mention this,
582
00:30:20.440 --> 00:30:22.039
but he was going up to people and going like,
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are you famous?
584
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What's your name? What's your last name?
585
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We don't know what that was about, but that's we
586
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:31.279
assume that's why Hayter was pretty annoyed. Ye Peter, who
587
00:30:31.319 --> 00:30:34.519
notoriously has anxiety problems and can't leave the house for
588
00:30:34.640 --> 00:30:36.920
days on end, finally leaves the house to go to
589
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Conan's big grade, like that'll be safe, I'll see all
590
00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:44.440
my old SNL friends. That'd be great. Then he's the one.
591
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Now he's the face.
592
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Of this mm hmm.
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00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:50.599
Anyway, that's what we know so far. We're probably not
594
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giving you anything brand new, but giving you our take
595
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.480
on it, which is super funny. I mean, it's funny
596
00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:58.440
and it's deep.
597
00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:00.799
Yeah, so deep. I know you were going to get
598
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:02.480
the comedy take on this.
599
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:04.519
All right.
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00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:07.079
Rest in peace, Rob Reiner.
601
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If you're listening to this podcast and Michelle, poor Michelle
602
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:12.680
gets left out of don't you always hate that too?
603
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:15.480
With like when Gene Hackman, like she you know, he
604
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:20.720
had a wife. She was like an artist, she did shit. Yeah, yeah, totally. Yeah.
605
00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:23.079
They were together a long time in fact, just to
606
00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:25.279
end on a good note sort of, I guess they
607
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:28.799
met when he was making When Harry Met Sally. Really
608
00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:31.480
the original the original ending of When Harry Met Sally
609
00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:34.039
was going to be really negative because he didn't want
610
00:31:34.079 --> 00:31:36.160
them to end up together. He didn't like that. But
611
00:31:36.200 --> 00:31:39.400
when he met her, he was like, he wanted to
612
00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:43.559
reshoot the ending because he believed in love again. Really, yes,
613
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:45.920
are you kidding?
614
00:31:46.119 --> 00:31:50.160
I know that? Yes, yes, yes, it's just it's not
615
00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:52.480
that it just didn't test well with a sadday.
616
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:55.920
It probably also didn't test well and didn't he also,
617
00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:58.519
I mean it was Nora Ephron that wrote it, but
618
00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:01.759
he yeah, he wanted it change. So he was like, yeah,
619
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:03.599
I believe in love, and now I want to make
620
00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:06.480
the ending, and that's the running in the rain and
621
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:09.119
the whole Billy Crystal and Billy Crystal and Albert Brooks,
622
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:11.559
by the way, we're like his best friends and obviously
623
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:15.319
genuinely truly devastated.
624
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:17.319
I think Albert Brooks is just in shock.
625
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:19.880
I saw an interview with him shortly after and he
626
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:25.279
was like, it wasn't even there, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, anyway,
627
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:29.240
we uh if you posted, and thank you for being
628
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:35.720
here and stay safe and Mary christ Christmas.
629
00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:41.200
All right by moving out on Christmas Day? Oh by
630
00:32:41.240 --> 00:32:45.079
the way, Christmas, No, this is coming out Christmas Eve. Okay, yeah,
631
00:32:45.200 --> 00:32:48.799
very Christmas. But we also have another we have another
632
00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:54.759
episode of Cringe, right, yeah, same day. Maybe a palate cleanser.
633
00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:57.920
I guess maybe this should be on the day after.
634
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:00.000
We're working this out right now in front of you.
635
00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:01.640
It's very meta. We'll see.
636
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:03.960
I think I think that this should be Friday, and
637
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:06.119
then we'll leave it up to us all right by
638
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:09.000
h M.