Alien Close Encounters with Warren Agius ၏ စာသားမှတ်တမ်းအပြည့်အစုံ

00:03:55.159 compelling close encounters of the third kind and alien abductions. 71 00:03:56.639 --> 00:03:59.719 The book per Se is divided into two parts. The 72 00:03:59.759 --> 00:04:05.039 first part is explores close encounters of the third kind, 73 00:04:05.599 --> 00:04:09.240 which is when there is a uf BO siting and 74 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:13.319 the person is in close proximity to the aircraft, but 75 00:04:13.439 --> 00:04:16.800 there is no abduction happening. So that is the first 76 00:04:16.839 --> 00:04:19.839 part of the book. The second part of the book 77 00:04:20.040 --> 00:04:26.040 I explore alien abductions. And I myself was very very 78 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:32.800 hesitant on which cases I explore. Right as we all know, 79 00:04:32.959 --> 00:04:36.079 we all know Georgia Domsky, we all know Billy Meyer, 80 00:04:36.600 --> 00:04:42.319 and these individuals have quite preposterous stories. And I separate 81 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:46.839 myself entirely from these cases because it is these cases 82 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:53.399 that bring skepticism and negative attention to the phenomenon, and 83 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:57.839 I didn't want for once I wanted alien abductions to 84 00:04:57.879 --> 00:05:02.480 be taken seriously, and there are a lot of compelling 85 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:07.439 alien abduction cases which are not very famous. Everyone knows 86 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:12.040 about Betty and Barne, Hill, Whitely, Stree, Bert Travis, Walton, 87 00:05:12.560 --> 00:05:15.319 fantastic cases, right, and they are included in the book. 88 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:21.040 But these are far from the most compelling alien abduction cases, 89 00:05:23.040 --> 00:05:27.199 and unfortunately, in the majority of UOFOE and alien books, 90 00:05:27.519 --> 00:05:32.360 these are the cases that are covered. So I wanted 91 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:34.439 to create something that is a little bit different and 92 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:39.360 it gives the reader a comprehensive study on alien abductions, 93 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:44.600 and I covered cases which are perhaps less known, such 94 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:49.439 as the Stefan Michella case, the Aerial school siting Robert Taylor. 95 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:52.600 These are all cases that are less well known but 96 00:05:52.759 --> 00:05:58.000 are just as if not even more compelling and convincing 97 00:05:58.759 --> 00:06:03.120 than the most famous ones. But I wanted to create 98 00:06:03.399 --> 00:06:05.480 I want to go in a very clear direction that I, 99 00:06:06.120 --> 00:06:09.399 in no shape or form do I believe that all 100 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:13.480 alien abduction cases and stories are real. And even in 101 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:18.639 the cases I do explore in the book, I provide 102 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:21.839 a lot of skepticism and and alternative theories. I do 103 00:06:21.959 --> 00:06:25.800 not at any point say this was most definitely an

104 00:06:25.839 --> 00:06:32.000 alien abduction case. There are a few cases where you 105 00:06:32.120 --> 00:06:34.800 know that the story does point toward towards the direction. 106 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:39.040 But I do offer a lot of skepticism because it's 107 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:43.120 important to be factual. It's important to be objective when 108 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:45.920 talking about such an important phenomenon. 109 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:48.160 Right, Yeah, And I love how you how you light 110 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:52.199 out the evidence, the different evidence for and against and 111 00:06:52.439 --> 00:06:56.040 and basically you know each each one you have. Okay, 112 00:06:56.120 --> 00:06:58.800 what is the military or the police's explanation, or the 113 00:06:58.839 --> 00:07:03.480 presses explanation or anybody else who investigated, And then what 114 00:07:03.680 --> 00:07:06.199 is the evidence that supports what the person is claiming 115 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:08.600 to have been abducted? Yeah? I really like how you 116 00:07:08.639 --> 00:07:09.240 break that down. 117 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:14.079 Yeah, and many times there is a rational explanation. I mean, 118 00:07:14.120 --> 00:07:20.319 if we look at perhaps we'll go into certain cases later, 119 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:24.199 but if we look at certain certain UFO sightings or 120 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:28.959 for other cases such as, for example, Billy Meyer, there's 121 00:07:28.959 --> 00:07:31.959 always data which proves that the case was not credited. 122 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:37.319 And I only included cases which I personally believe are 123 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:40.720 very compelling. By no shape or form do I believe 124 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:44.720 that every case I cover is one hundred percent in 125 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:47.000 alien abduction. But I do believe that out of the 126 00:07:47.240 --> 00:07:50.240 cases I cover, I genuinely believe that there is a 127 00:07:50.360 --> 00:07:54.240 compelling argument for the alien abduction theory. 128 00:07:54.639 --> 00:07:58.319 Yeah, and there the Robert Taylor when you had mentioned, 129 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:01.079 was when I had never heard of, and I think, yeah, 130 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:05.800 he's a pretty compelling one as far as the evidence. Yeah, 131 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:09.120 and going against So what what kind of is the 132 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:10.720 story with Robert Taylor. 133 00:08:11.399 --> 00:08:13.800 Yeah, Yeah, I'm glad we're actually talking about it because, 134 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:15.399 like I said, it's one of the cases that goes 135 00:08:15.519 --> 00:08:20.000 quite under the radar, but I personally find it. I 136 00:08:20.079 --> 00:08:22.399 find it to be one of the most convincing cases. 137 00:08:23.000 --> 00:08:26.639 So Robert Taylor's story, it goes back to nineteen seventy 138 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:30.439 nine and this place char This the story takes place 139 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:37.480 in Scotland. So Robert Taylor, he was an ex army man. 140 00:08:37.679 --> 00:08:40.720 He was he fought in the Battle of Normandy, he 141 00:08:41.399 --> 00:08:44.600 fought in the Battle of Dunkirk, and in his later 142 00:08:44.799 --> 00:08:50.600 years he became a forest free worker and so there 143 00:08:50.679 --> 00:08:53.879 was quite a different different style. On one hand, he 144 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:58.399 went he was an army worker, he fought in wars 145 00:08:58.440 --> 00:09:04.720 and then he started working in forests. The encounter itself 146 00:09:04.759 --> 00:09:07.320 took place on the ninth of November at that time 147 00:09:07.399 --> 00:09:10.639 he was sixty years old and one of one of 148 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:13.399 the tasks he had was that he goes in a 149 00:09:14.159 --> 00:09:17.440 forest three area and he makes sure that there are 150 00:09:17.480 --> 00:09:20.000 no sheep astrae. He makes sure that everything is in order. 151 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:24.279 And so it was a Friday morning and he had 152 00:09:24.320 --> 00:09:28.600 his dog with him. The dog was an Irish red setter. 153 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:33.679 Her name was Lara, and they were walking along the 154 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:37.000 path and then they reach a clearing and then this 155 00:09:37.159 --> 00:09:43.159 clearing they see aside that he essentially would would he 156 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:46.960 could never forget because this was the beginning of certainly 157 00:09:47.039 --> 00:09:50.159 a transformative experience. In the middle of the clearing, he 158 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:54.240 saw a disc shaped u of foward this shape aircraft, 159 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:59.080 and it was a typically UFO. It was disc shaped, 160 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:02.799 it was silver, was metallic, and it had the typical 161 00:10:02.879 --> 00:10:07.039 dom structure that we see. Apart from that, most importantly 162 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:11.159 around its circumference, it had a lot of these portholes 163 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:17.000 and antennae looking spikes, so it was very conspicuous. It 164 00:10:17.120 --> 00:10:21.000 was very obvious, and at first it was a shock. 165 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:23.639 He didn't know what he was looking at. But then 166 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:28.799 the sighting became even earlier. At one point the disc 167 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:33.679 completely the materialized. It became invisible, and Robert could see 168 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:38.120 the trees that the disc was initially obstructing, so it 169 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:43.159 became completely invisible, and after a few seconds it's the 170 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:46.960 disc career appeared again. It th rematerialized, so that ruled 171 00:10:47.000 --> 00:10:51.799 out the majority of rational explanations. It could not have 172 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:55.360 been a helicopter, obviously, it could not

well any rational 173 00:10:55.399 --> 00:10:58.879 explanition that he could think of. It was completely disputed. 174 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:04.200 But this was just the beginning. As the disc materialized, 175 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:09.639 these spheres fell from from the disc and they started 176 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:13.480 approaching Robert's position. The spheres were very similar to the 177 00:11:14.120 --> 00:11:20.279 aircraft's characteristics. It was the spheres were silver shape, they 178 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:24.759 had antennae looking spikes around them, and as they reached 179 00:11:25.039 --> 00:11:31.399 Robert's position, the two spheres attached to his leg and 180 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:35.960 they started dragging him towards the disc. And it was 181 00:11:36.039 --> 00:11:40.720 at that moment that Robert obviously felt a very sharp 182 00:11:40.759 --> 00:11:47.440 pain and he started smelling a very specific odor it's 183 00:11:47.559 --> 00:11:52.120 like when a vehicle's brake linings are burning. And he 184 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:57.120 also started tasting a very foul, foul taste, and then 185 00:11:57.159 --> 00:12:01.799 he lost consciousness for a couple of minutes. Around twenty 186 00:12:01.919 --> 00:12:06.360 minutes paused when Robert regained consciousness, and he only regained 187 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:11.399 consciousness because his dog, Lara was tugging at his tugging 188 00:12:11.440 --> 00:12:14.679 at his shirt. And when he woke up, he was 189 00:12:14.759 --> 00:12:17.759 completely unaware of where he was. He was completely disorientated. 190 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:21.480 His truck was close by, but he was too lethargic 191 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:25.039 to walk, so he had to crawl there. And when 192 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:28.320 he opened his truck, the radio communications where we're down. 193 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:32.679 So the only option he had was essentially to walk 194 00:12:32.759 --> 00:12:38.039 home because the truck was caught in a in a mud. 195 00:12:38.559 --> 00:12:41.279 It was caught in mud essentially, so he could not 196 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:43.440 back it out, and he was too lethargic to do so. 197 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:46.559 And his house was not too far away anyway, So 198 00:12:46.879 --> 00:12:50.039 as he walked home, his wife opened and she was 199 00:12:50.679 --> 00:12:52.840 in shock. She was completely in shock. She thought that 200 00:12:52.919 --> 00:12:56.600 he had been robbed. And the first word that the 201 00:12:56.679 --> 00:12:59.080 first sentence that Robert uttered, was that he had been 202 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:02.799 attacked by a spaceship. In fact, the name of the 203 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:06.519 chacter is attacked by a spaceship. It's a direct quotation 204 00:13:06.679 --> 00:13:14.919 from his report which he gave. Anyway, Roberts physical health 205 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:21.399 then gradually sort of deteriorated. There was a forensic analysis 206 00:13:21.440 --> 00:13:26.960 as well. And what is so interesting about the forensic 207 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:30.200 analysis is that when they went to the site at 208 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:34.000 the Dutchment Law where where the encounter took place, they 209 00:13:34.080 --> 00:13:37.080 could see caterpillar tracks and caterpillar tracks. At first, I 210 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:39.639 was like, I wasn't aware of what caterpillar tracks, but 211 00:13:39.679 --> 00:13:43.559 they are, like, they're very similar to what attractor attractors 212 00:13:43.720 --> 00:13:44.639 tracks look like. 213 00:13:44.879 --> 00:13:47.320 Yeah, yeah, like a tank tracks or something like that. 214 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:52.120 Exactly exactly, And these caterpillar tracks were slowly in the 215 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:55.559 middle of a clearing, so they weren't leading to or 216 00:13:55.720 --> 00:13:58.799 from anywhere. And the only explainasion there was was that 217 00:13:59.639 --> 00:14:02.080 dismiss machinery which was used or whatever it was, it 218 00:14:02.200 --> 00:14:06.720 had been dropped, it had made a vert vertical descent 219 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:10.080 and a vertical ascent. It didn't be too or from anywhere, 220 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:13.519 and there were a lot of markings around around the 221 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:17.919 ground which which matched up a lot with Robert's police reports. 222 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:24.639 There were there were several detectives. For example, detective Detective 223 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:26.399 Walk was one of the officers on the scene and 224 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:30.480 he took photographs and measurements and he could see that 225 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:34.039 the lending marks were identical. They were each ten feet long, 226 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:38.240 so they were completely symmetrical ten feet long a foot apart, 227 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:40.720 so a foot wide and seven feet apart. They were 228 00:14:40.799 --> 00:14:44.759 completely completely symmetrical. Apart from that, these tracks were surrounded 229 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:50.919 by round spherical depressions, which once again they they match 230 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:56.759 up with Robert's story, and the forensic analysis, which which 231 00:14:56.960 --> 00:15:01.039 also focused on Robert's clothing, could see that there was 232 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:05.200 a very specific tear, and without going into the specifics 233 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:07.000 of where the there was and where that there wasn't, 234 00:15:07.679 --> 00:15:11.720 the forensic analysis concluded that the tails were not caused 235 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:17.919 by any burning and that they were caused by Robert 236 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:22.159 having been pulled upwards, which coincides once again with Robert's 237 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:26.320 theory and anyway from their own. Robert obviously did not 238 00:15:26.440 --> 00:15:29.000 want

to talk about it to anyone, and in fact, 239 00:15:29.120 --> 00:15:31.600 the only reason that we know about this case was 240 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:35.000 that it was leaked, and it was leaked by a 241 00:15:35.120 --> 00:15:38.159 colleague of Robert who had went to the site with 242 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:43.919 his boss. From there on, he did not want to 243 00:15:44.000 --> 00:15:49.159 talk about it at any point, but his story remained unchanged. 244 00:15:49.279 --> 00:15:52.720 His story was that he had seen this what he 245 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:56.080 referred to as a spaceship, and what he saw was 246 00:15:57.159 --> 00:16:01.879 the truth. So then certain skeptics came forward and they 247 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:06.279 started giving several theories. One of the theories that I 248 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:10.639 considered the book and the book I consider three theories, right. 249 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:14.480 The first theory is that he suffered a stroke. The 250 00:16:14.559 --> 00:16:17.240 second theories that he suffered a seizure, and the third 251 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:21.799 theory is the extraterrestrial hypothesis. Like I said in the 252 00:16:21.840 --> 00:16:25.080 beginning of the episode, I like to give attention to 253 00:16:25.159 --> 00:16:27.799 each and every hypothesis. At no point do I try 254 00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:32.000 to prove the et ceteristrial hypothesis, but it's good to 255 00:16:32.159 --> 00:16:37.159 explore each and every possible theory. The different theory was 256 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:40.159 that he suffered a stroke, a transient stroke, and the 257 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:46.000 symptoms are similar the symptoms so Robert experienced a headache 258 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:49.159 and dram out he lost consciousness, and these are indeed 259 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:53.480 symptoms of a stroke. But this theory does not take 260 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:58.159 into account the physical evidence. Where did the lending marks 261 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:05.079 come from? The tears and on Robert's clothing, These are 262 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:09.119 all unaccounted for, So once can this theory does not 263 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:14.240 really hold through. Then there is a very preposterous theory 264 00:17:14.599 --> 00:17:18.480 is that he suffered a seizure. There's this well known skeptic, 265 00:17:19.400 --> 00:17:23.839 his name is Stuart Campbell, and he stated that as 266 00:17:23.960 --> 00:17:26.880 Robert was walking through the woods, he saw a bright 267 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:30.039 venus in the sky, and because of the intensity of 268 00:17:30.119 --> 00:17:32.680 the light, he suffered the seizure. This this seri is 269 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:36.000 obviously preposterous for many reasons. It was daylight outside, and 270 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:39.279 even if you know where venus is in the sky, 271 00:17:39.480 --> 00:17:43.720 it would be very difficult to locate it. But alas, 272 00:17:43.839 --> 00:17:46.319 even if we consider this theory, this theory does not 273 00:17:46.480 --> 00:17:50.039 take into account once again, the lending marks, the physical 274 00:17:50.119 --> 00:17:55.599 evidence which leaves us with the extraterrestrial hypothesis, which has 275 00:17:55.640 --> 00:17:58.759 a number of factors which support it. For instance, there 276 00:17:58.880 --> 00:18:03.200 is the landing marks, and the lending marks are quite 277 00:18:04.319 --> 00:18:08.519 weird and of themselves, because if Robert had staged the 278 00:18:08.759 --> 00:18:12.319 entire thing, then there would be landing marks leading to 279 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:15.599 and from somewhere. They wouldn't just appear in the middle 280 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:19.000 of a clearing and then just disappear. Apart from that, 281 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:23.319 there is the mark the markings on the clothing if 282 00:18:23.359 --> 00:18:27.000 he had been pulled upwards. Some sort of machinery had 283 00:18:27.039 --> 00:18:29.880 to be present for it for Robert to have been 284 00:18:30.160 --> 00:18:35.400 pulled upwards. And apart from that, the most compelling evidence 285 00:18:35.480 --> 00:18:38.880 is that everyone around him mew Robert and at no 286 00:18:39.079 --> 00:18:45.079 point was he a fan of the Dufo UFOs or 287 00:18:45.079 --> 00:18:48.079 any abductions, and it was very very out of character. 288 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:52.359 So everyone was quite surprised when he kept insisting that 289 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:56.160 he was attacked by a spaceship. You know. His wife 290 00:18:56.279 --> 00:19:00.279 was saying, no, you were mugged. His manager was also 291 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:04.480 pushing for that idea. They were convinced that something bad 292 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:08.000 had happened. But from nineteen seventy nine until his death, 293 00:19:09.039 --> 00:19:14.599 Robert's story it's remained unchanged, if you can remain completely unchanged. 294 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:18.559 And he kept consisting that the aircraft was most certainly 295 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:23.160 not from this planet because what kind of aircraft fits 296 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:28.160 in in those criteria. And in the police report which 297 00:19:28.680 --> 00:19:32.319 I obtained, the detective in walk he ends it in 298 00:19:32.440 --> 00:19:37.079 a very interesting sentence. He said that, to quote him, 299 00:19:37.519 --> 00:19:41.079 I have no doubt that something landed there. What it was, 300 00:19:41.279 --> 00:19:44.599 I have no idea. Forty years on, it still hasn't 301 00:19:44.680 --> 00:19:49.240 been solved. So throughout all this time, it's no one 302 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:54.400 knows what truly happened except Robert himself. It's a very 303 00:19:54.559 --> 00:19:57.920 very interesting case, and a lot of factors do point 304 00:19:58.079 --> 00:20:02.160 towards the extetersial HYPOTHESI and I do believe that if 305

00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:06.880 this phenomenon is real, then this case is one of 306 00:20:06.960 --> 00:20:09.920 the most compelling ones. It has a lot of evidence 307 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:16.079 supporting it, and the characteristics line up with what we 308 00:20:16.240 --> 00:20:19.319 know with what we know of about alien abductions. 309 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:24.039 Yeah, and his clothes were actually forensically examined by the 310 00:20:24.079 --> 00:20:26.960 police department, and they're the ones that said that it 311 00:20:27.119 --> 00:20:29.240 looked like, you know, the tears, all the tears in 312 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:31.279 his clothes were from him being pulled up. That's the 313 00:20:31.279 --> 00:20:32.119 only way they could. 314 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:37.640 Have been made exactly the analysis it was. They examined 315 00:20:37.640 --> 00:20:43.279 it extensively. They stated that the tears and the holes, 316 00:20:43.279 --> 00:20:46.200 they could not have been caused by burning and they 317 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:49.079 could only have been caused by a strong mechanical pull. 318 00:20:50.039 --> 00:20:57.039 So either Robert was genuinely his testimony is genuine or 319 00:20:57.039 --> 00:21:00.640 as there must have been a machinery which he had 320 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:03.720 planned there, Yeah, which put him upwards, which you know, 321 00:21:03.880 --> 00:21:04.880 it doesn't make much. 322 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:07.119 Sense, Yeah, because I mean where are the rest of 323 00:21:07.160 --> 00:21:09.039 the tracks. I mean, he had to get the machinery in. 324 00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:13.279 There and out of there exactly exactly. And there's also 325 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:18.799 the missing time period which we don't know what actually 326 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:23.359 happened when Robert lost consciousness. He lost consciousness for around 327 00:21:23.440 --> 00:21:28.720 twenty minutes, and the missing time period is one of 328 00:21:28.799 --> 00:21:33.359 the stages of building in productions, So that does also 329 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:36.240 a line up with the story. 330 00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:38.640 Yeah that I found that one just fascinating, especially with 331 00:21:38.759 --> 00:21:42.279 the spiked spheres that came and attached to his legs. 332 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:46.160 Never never heard any other story like that with with 333 00:21:46.279 --> 00:21:49.000 the alien abductions or the close encounters. 334 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:50.119 Yeah. 335 00:21:50.319 --> 00:21:52.240 Yeah, there are some similar ones that have been coming 336 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:56.000 out lately. I know David Polid's had one on his 337 00:21:56.160 --> 00:22:00.440 latest documentary about these people seeing a sort of drone 338 00:22:01.559 --> 00:22:04.640 producting cows across the valley. 339 00:22:05.720 --> 00:22:09.640 And you know what's interesting is that when I when 340 00:22:09.680 --> 00:22:14.480 I first wrote these chapters, it was some some years 341 00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:19.319 and months and months ago, but then in some some 342 00:22:19.559 --> 00:22:21.599 years ago I believe it was last year or the 343 00:22:21.680 --> 00:22:24.759 year before the d i A, they published the paper 344 00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:31.240 which explores the the actual paper, it's called Anomalous Acute 345 00:22:31.880 --> 00:22:35.680 and Subacute Field Effects of Human Biological Issues, which basically 346 00:22:35.720 --> 00:22:43.359 it means it explored how humans have been affected by UFOs. 347 00:22:44.839 --> 00:22:47.720 And in one of the in this paper, which I 348 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:52.720 quote in the book, it explores how many military officers, 349 00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:56.480 when they came into contact with U foes. They experienced 350 00:22:56.680 --> 00:23:02.000 a lot of immediate and intern after facts after facts, 351 00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:06.720 so within seventy two hours they started experiencing medical ailments. 352 00:23:09.079 --> 00:23:14.960 And as I read that paper, it was quite a 353 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:18.160 Eureka moment because I realized that the cases I write 354 00:23:18.160 --> 00:23:22.759 about they actually match up with what this d I 355 00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:24.359 a paper states. 356 00:23:24.519 --> 00:23:27.559 Yeah, like, I'm with you that that's a really good case. 357 00:23:28.160 --> 00:23:30.480 And once again I always go back to this guy 358 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:32.920 didn't gain anything out of this. He didn't have anything again, 359 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:35.720 he never asked for money, nothing like that. He didn't 360 00:23:35.720 --> 00:23:37.160 even want it leaked to the press. Like you said, 361 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:38.640 it got leaked out to the press. 362 00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:43.480 Exactly exactly, and Eric port Center, what's what proves that 363 00:23:43.640 --> 00:23:45.799 point is that he did not want to talk about 364 00:23:45.839 --> 00:23:48.200 it at all. And this is one of the things 365 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:50.160 I look out for right when we're writing about it 366 00:23:50.279 --> 00:23:54.200 in aductions. In the introduction of the of the second 367 00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:57.640 part of the book, I discussed what makes any Inlian 368 00:23:57.680 --> 00:24:01.559 abduction pace credible? There there are thous and hundreds of 369 00:24:01.720 --> 00:24:06.880 valin abduction cases, hundreds, right, So what makes a case credible? 370 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:13.400 And I use I use three factors to prove whether 371 00:24:14.000 --> 00:24:16.119 I believe this case is credible. Or not. And the 372 00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:18.400 first one is the evidence. Let's look at the evidence, 373 00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:23.440 is their physical evidence, for example, lending marks. Did the 374 00:24:23.519 --> 00:24:28.440 person suffer any immediate or intermediates after

effects? Then the 375 00:24:28.559 --> 00:24:34.640 person's intention. Did the person want to, you know, cash 376 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:37.519 in on his story? Did you want to publicize his story? 377 00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:41.920 Because if he did, then I'm not saying that if 378 00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:45.519 someone writes and you know, a memoir like Kisber did, 379 00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:47.880 I'm not saying that that immediately means that the case 380 00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:49.920 is a hoax. I'm not saying that. But if a 381 00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:53.440 person uses the case, you know, to gain fame or 382 00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:56.920 to gain wealth, then that could be an indicator. And 383 00:24:57.000 --> 00:25:00.000 the third factor, I use the individual's health. Many times, 384 00:25:00.759 --> 00:25:04.960 in the most credible cases, the individual's health declines, and 385 00:25:05.079 --> 00:25:11.319 it declines very rapidly, very very rapidly. And Robert Taylor's 386 00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:15.680 case it fits in the three factors. It has a 387 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:17.799 lot of evidence, it has a lot of physical evidence. 388 00:25:18.720 --> 00:25:22.160 The person's intentions are unequivocal. Everyone says that he was 389 00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:25.839 not someone who would make such a story up. And 390 00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:31.839 apart from that, his health did deteriorate immediately after his encounter. 391 00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:35.119 Yeah, fascinating case. Another one that has always kind of 392 00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:38.240 caught my attention that I don't think is as widespread 393 00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:41.759 as like Travis Walton and Whitley Streamer. Is the Soakora, 394 00:25:41.880 --> 00:25:45.720 New Mexico incident with Lanni's of Mora And Yeah, I 395 00:25:45.839 --> 00:25:48.160 find it very credible because he was a he's a 396 00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:49.119 police officer. 397 00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:53.200 He's a police officer. Yeah, just doing his job exactly, 398 00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:56.079 and police officers are are trained to be the most 399 00:25:56.200 --> 00:26:03.200 credible eye witnesses. And Lonnie Zamora's case I always link 400 00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:06.319 it with a case which took place a year before 401 00:26:06.759 --> 00:26:10.519 in France. Let me start by discussing Zamora's case a 402 00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:13.480 little bit, because it is very interesting and I do 403 00:26:13.720 --> 00:26:16.440 believe that it's one of the most credible cases out there. 404 00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:20.000 Zamora's case, it took place in nineteen sixty four and 405 00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:24.440 he was a sergeant police officer. He was out in SoCoRo, 406 00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:28.559 out on duty, and he was actually in a police 407 00:26:28.599 --> 00:26:30.440 chase at that point. He was in a car chase. 408 00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:35.200 But then in the background he saw this massive flame. 409

00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:39.480 It was large, you know, a large orange flame, and 410 00:26:39.759 --> 00:26:43.079 it was just right next to a dynamite check. So 411 00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:46.839 he thought, okay, one plus one means that it probably exploded. 412 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:49.880 So he started driving towards that. He ditched the car 413 00:26:50.279 --> 00:26:54.079 car chase, and he he started driving towards the dynamite check. 414 00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:57.279 At the top of the hill. Looking down on the 415 00:26:57.359 --> 00:27:02.440 dynamite check, he saw this, the silver object with two 416 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:07.359 what looked like people standing next to it. So he said, okay, 417 00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:12.680 most probably there was an incident, so I'll just go 418 00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:16.400 drive and assist them. And in fact, he radioed in 419 00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:20.640 he told them that I am assisting in a vehicle, 420 00:27:21.400 --> 00:27:25.200 you know, incident. So he started driving closer, and he 421 00:27:25.240 --> 00:27:30.640 started driving closer, and as he reached closer to the object, 422 00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:32.880 he saw that this was not a car, and the 423 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:36.039 two people he had seen he had saw were not 424 00:27:36.279 --> 00:27:38.839 people at all. In front of him was actually this 425 00:27:39.119 --> 00:27:44.480 oval shaped object which looked just like the tic tac 426 00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:49.680 that we are now speaking of from the USS minutes encounter. 427 00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:52.680 It looked it looks just like a ticktack. Yeah, But 428 00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:56.319 on the surface there's this weird insignia which is quite 429 00:27:56.519 --> 00:27:58.799 difficult to describe. 430 00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:00.160 Uh. 431 00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:06.119 It was an inverted letter V with three lines running 432 00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:08.359 across it. It doesn't make much sense as as I 433 00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:12.559 described it, but I encourage the listeners to just Google 434 00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:16.599 Lonizamora's uffhone and you'll see the insignea I'm talking about. 435 00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:20.799 And it was that had these legs protruded and it 436 00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:24.720 was landed perfectly on the ground, and just start next 437 00:28:24.759 --> 00:28:27.519 to it. He saw these two figures which he described 438 00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:31.640 as small adults. So small adults were large kids, that's 439 00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:36.160 what he said. So he started. He saw them from afar, 440 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:41.680 and they were wearing these white overalls, completely white, and 441 00:28:42.000 --> 00:28:43.960 at this point they were not aware of his position. 442 00:28:44.119 --> 00:28:47.279 But after a few seconds, all of them noticed his 443 00:28:47.440 --> 00:28:51.240 presence and they became immediately startled. And as they became startled, 444 00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:56.200 they dashed in the aircraft. They completely disappeared. At that point, 445 00:28:57.519 --> 00:29:00.640 Zamora exited the car and started a prom the position, 446 00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:07.440 but then he heard this loud roar, which he taught, shit, 447 00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:10.920 you know, the dynamite shack exploded, but it wasn't the place. 448 00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:14.839 What happened was that this tic tackle the shaped aircraft 449 00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:20.440 started ascending. It started completely ascending, and the loudness it 450 00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:25.680 started becoming more intense, and then it just he was 451 00:29:25.759 --> 00:29:28.920 expecting an explosion to happen at any point, it was 452 00:29:29.079 --> 00:29:32.680 that intense, but the explosion never happened. He dropped to 453 00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:37.480 the ground, covering his head. But then the aircraft just 454 00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:42.119 sped away completely and disappeared. As it happened, he immediately 455 00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:45.039 got out his sketch pad and he drew this this 456 00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:50.680 aircraft that he saw, and he found the sergeant, Sergeant Chavez, 457 00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:54.359 and he told him what happened. Within a couple of minutes, 458 00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:58.480 they came to the scene and they saw that first 459 00:29:58.519 --> 00:30:01.319 of all, there were many depressions on the ground. There 460 00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:05.440 were four identical depressions on the ground, and in front 461 00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:10.039 of these depressions were burned clumps of grass, which obviously 462 00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:12.519 matches up with with the fire that he had seen. 463 00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:17.279 And they at no point did they question his credibility. 464 00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:20.720 I mean, everyone in the police station in Sohorrow, everyone 465 00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:24.240 knew Nonizamor and they knew that he would not invent 466 00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:26.880 such a hoax. Apart from that, let's keep in mind 467 00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:29.559 that this was nineteen sixty four, so the topic of 468 00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:31.920 UFOs was still quite a taboo and if you brought 469 00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:35.559 it up, you most likely would be ridiculed. So he 470 00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:40.119 has no intention of of you know, creating the story. 471 00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:45.079 But alas then, since that there were no since the 472 00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:48.880 case is so credible, the FBI. There was an FBI agent, 473 00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:52.759 agent Barns. He was in the area and he investigated 474 00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:56.200 the case as well, and he wrote this this report 475 00:30:56.240 --> 00:31:00.640 where he states that he has no reason to believe 476 00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:03.039 that this was a hoax, and that they noted the 477

00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:10.119 depressions on the ground and there were no reasons to 478 00:31:10.279 --> 00:31:17.200 believe that this was a conventional aircraft, but they wanted clarification. 479 00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:21.319 So what they did was the first question was could 480 00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:25.319 it have been a helicopter, But that was immediately ruled 481 00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:31.920 out because they just called the attacker controllers and they 482 00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:38.000 called also the air Force base, the surrounding air Force bases, 483 00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:42.559 and they confirmed that there were no aircraft military aircraft 484 00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:46.799 in the area around that time. The second question was 485 00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:51.359 could it have been a lunar surveyor. So the Lunar 486 00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:55.359 Surveyor is this project that it's this program that ran 487 00:31:55.599 --> 00:32:02.400 in nineteen sixty six until nineteen sixty eight to explore 488 00:32:02.599 --> 00:32:07.640 and to test soft landings on Earth, you know, before 489 00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:12.039 the Moon landings. So this was a possibil clearly, but 490 00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:16.160 the surveyor, the way it looks, it does not match 491 00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:21.640 up with WHATNA saw. Apart from that, they confirmed with 492 00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:26.440 Air Force bases that Air Force bases such as Right Patterson, 493 00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:28.680 so it was one of the main ones. They confirmed 494 00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:31.759 that it was not a lunar surveyor. This left them 495 00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:36.519 with no explansions whatsoever. In fact, it's one of the 496 00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:39.400 few cases, it is one of the few cases in 497 00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:45.000 Project Blue Book which remained unidentified. However, and this is 498 00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:49.000 a very important invention. It remained unidentified because they never 499 00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:56.440 considered the extraterrestrial hypothesis. They never so if they had considered, 500 00:32:56.519 --> 00:32:58.839 I mean, I don't, I never would expect them to 501 00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:03.359 state yet this was most certainly another worldly encounter, because 502 00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:08.480 you cannot even prove that scientifically. But the case remained unidentified. 503 00:33:08.559 --> 00:33:11.400 But at no point that Project Glubok considered the fact 504 00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:17.000 that it could be a genuine fall encounter. What not 505 00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:19.240 many people know is that what makes this case so 506 00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:24.599 credible is a very very similar case. So lone Zamora's 507 00:33:24.640 --> 00:33:28.359 case took place in nineteen sixty four. The following year, 508 00:33:28.920 --> 00:33:34.200 in July, the same exact case happened in France, in 509 00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:37.640 Valentola in France. And then this is one of the 510 00:33:37.759 --> 00:33:40.400 most this is one of the cases which not many 511 00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:45.960 people know about. But the details and descriptions of the 512 00:33:46.079 --> 00:33:51.920 aircraft is completely identical. I've described the case a little bit. 513 00:33:53.160 --> 00:33:55.240 The case to place, like I said, in nineteen sixty five, 514 00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:59.440 in this beautiful town. The town is called the Valenzola 515 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:04.440 and it is known for this lavender fields. As I 516 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:08.039 looked up pictures of it, it looked absolutely stunning. And 517 00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:11.800 in July of nineteen sixty five, Morris Masse he was 518 00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:15.679 a elevender grower. He had the field called Lolivol. He 519 00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:19.960 had the field full of lavender elevender crops and on 520 00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:22.840 this day, at around five in the morning, he was 521 00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:28.440 smoking a cigarette before starting working when he heard this 522 00:34:28.679 --> 00:34:32.000 buzzing noise. As he looked around, he saw this oval 523 00:34:32.079 --> 00:34:35.519 shaped aircraft and at first he was not too shocked 524 00:34:35.639 --> 00:34:40.159 because it was not uncommon for helicopters to land in fields. 525 00:34:41.320 --> 00:34:44.079 So he started approaching the aircraft. But as he got closer, 526 00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:48.320 he realized that this was certainly not a helicopter. Just 527 00:34:48.440 --> 00:34:51.639 like Lonie Zamora. He saw an oval shaped aircraft with 528 00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:57.280 protruding legs and it was landed perfectly. As he got closer, 529 00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:01.480 he saw two humanoid figures. Let me say that he 530 00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:04.960 described him as two boys of around eight years old, 531 00:35:05.480 --> 00:35:09.199 and they were bent over picking up levender crops. At 532 00:35:09.239 --> 00:35:12.159 this point, he did not consider the fact that these 533 00:35:12.320 --> 00:35:18.199 were probably extraterrestrial. What was going through to Mass's mind 534 00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:21.239 was that he was extremely angry because throughout that month 535 00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:25.719 he had been finding his crops damaged the sprouts. He 536 00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:27.719 was finding a lot of his levender crops with their 537 00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:30.719 sprouts cut off, and obviously this was his livelihood. So 538 00:35:30.800 --> 00:35:33.599 he thought he had caught the culprits, so he went 539 00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:36.840 to confront them. But as he got closer to these 540 00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:41.760 two humanoid beings. As he approached them, he was around 541 00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:44.840 six meters away from them, one of them straightened up 542 00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:49.000 and pointed this instrument towards him. And as the

instrument 543 00:35:49.679 --> 00:35:53.159 faced him, maurs Massel was completely paralyzed. He could not 544 00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:56.639 move muscle, He was completely stuck to the ground. And 545 00:35:57.440 --> 00:36:02.119 during these seconds he could take an all of their obscure, 546 00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:08.679 eerie features. They were not children at all. Certainly they 547 00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:10.960 were the height of around an eight year old child. 548 00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:17.280 They had massive bald heads. He described them to quote 549 00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:23.440 pumpkin like heads. Their eyes were large, slanted, almond shaped, 550 00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:27.880 and they were grunting. They were creating these grunts from 551 00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:30.639 around their stomachs, and that's how they were communicating with 552 00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:33.559 each other, he taught. Anyway, after a few seconds, the 553 00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:38.679 beings dashed into the aircraft, and just as Zamora had stated, 554 00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:43.039 the aircraft ascended from the ground and sped away, sped away, 555 00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:50.280 very far away, completely disappeared the story. Following this, he 556 00:36:50.360 --> 00:36:54.079 went to his friend's cafe in town and he taught 557 00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:57.360 him what happened, but he wasn't and his friend was 558 00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:01.159 encouraging him to report it to the police, but Maris 559 00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:03.679 Masse he did not want to at all. He knew 560 00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:06.440 that he would be completely ridiculed and no one would 561 00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:09.920 believe him, so he kept it to himself. But then 562 00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:14.480 the following day, words started spreading around town, and it 563 00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:17.840 was the police officers themselves who approached them, actually, and 564 00:37:17.960 --> 00:37:21.280 they told him, listen, we know we've been hearing what happened. 565 00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:23.960 Can you take us to the field. So he did, 566 00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:28.719 and they found just what they found in New Mexico. 567 00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:34.800 They found these cylindrical depressions that burned grass. So so 568 00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:38.880 there was a lot of evidence. What is interesting, the 569 00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:41.920 two things interested me the most about this case. So 570 00:37:42.320 --> 00:37:45.360 up until his death, Maris mas said did not tell 571 00:37:45.519 --> 00:37:50.239 anyone the full story. People kept him to interviewing him 572 00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:55.199 year after year, and he said in one of the interviews, 573 00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:58.639 he said that he will not tell anyone what happened, 574 00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:01.440 and he has not told any one, including his wife, 575 00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:05.960 what happened, and he insisted that he will take what 576 00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:09.760 happened to the grave. Wow, so it made me question 577 00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:12.679 what could have happened that was so significant, right, But 578 00:38:13.519 --> 00:38:19.119 the most fascinating part is that the levender's the lavender 579 00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:24.320 stopped growing in the circumference where this encounter took place 580 00:38:24.920 --> 00:38:28.920 for many years after. The leavender did not grow there, 581 00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:32.679 and the surrounding areas it did, but in the area 582 00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:38.400 where they found the cylindrical depressions, it stopped growing for many, 583 00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:39.840 many years later. 584 00:38:40.320 --> 00:38:43.119 Yeah, And that was one of the things I found fascinating, 585 00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:46.239 was that only weeds continued to grow on that spots, 586 00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:50.679 not lavender. And also he was only about a football 587 00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:53.920 field away exactly, so there's no misidentification. I mean a 588 00:38:53.960 --> 00:38:56.079 football field way you can see detail and stuff like 589 00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:57.400 he described. 590 00:38:57.320 --> 00:39:02.239 Absolutely absolutely, and even so, the only thing that he 591 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:05.079 could have misidentified it from it would be a helicopter, 592 00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:07.159 but he did not have any rotors at all. There 593 00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:11.840 was no visible propulsion system, and he had seen helicopters 594 00:39:11.880 --> 00:39:14.719 before because helicopters did land on his field multiple times. 595 00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:17.239 But this wasn't the case at all. 596 00:39:17.599 --> 00:39:17.800 Yeah. 597 00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:18.039 In the. 598 00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:24.599 Zakorro case. What I found interesting also was that the 599 00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:30.559 military was highly involved with that case but never never 600 00:39:30.679 --> 00:39:31.679 try to discredit it. 601 00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:36.320 Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, because they knew who Zamora was. I mean, 602 00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:39.440 when you have an individual, an normal individual, you know, 603 00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:42.400 you can easily disprove him. It can easily bring up 604 00:39:42.480 --> 00:39:45.400 factors to maybe redeicule him or discredit him. But when 605 00:39:45.440 --> 00:39:49.039 you have a sergeant police officer and he's been in 606 00:39:49.159 --> 00:39:52.519 the force for decades and everyone knows how credible he is, 607 00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:55.800 you cannot do that. You cannot do that as as easily. 608 00:39:57.159 --> 00:39:59.239 And it is one of the few cases that remained 609 00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:03.119 unresolved from Project Bluebook. 610 00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:05.239 Yeah, and the government could have easily said, oh, yeah, 611 00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:07.639 it was a

it was a rover we were testing, 612 00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:10.079 you know, for a trip to Moon or whatever, and 613 00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:12.360 been done with it. But the fact that they did 614 00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:14.639 not that too, and said no, that didn't happen, you know, 615 00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:16.800 it was Yeah. I found that interesting because there's so 616 00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:19.000 many cases where they come out with their own explanation, 617 00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:21.840 you know, like Roswell with the weather balloon and all 618 00:40:21.880 --> 00:40:22.199 that shit. 619 00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:23.039 You know. 620 00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:25.320 Yeah, the fact that they didn't come up with an 621 00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:28.360 explanation and it remains unsolved, I think speaks a lot 622 00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:29.800 of credibility to what he saw. 623 00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:32.679 It speaks all and it's happened in the perfect time, 624 00:40:32.719 --> 00:40:34.320 you know. At that time, like I said, there was 625 00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:37.559 this lunar surveyor program where they were testing for for 626 00:40:37.679 --> 00:40:40.239 the moon landing, so they could easily have said it 627 00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:43.800 was it over. It's sort of I mean not really, 628 00:40:43.880 --> 00:40:46.960 but they do mech up a little bit. The characteristics. 629 00:40:47.039 --> 00:40:50.000 You know, there's there's a vertical ascent and descent, so 630 00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:52.039 they could have easily said, you know, this is what 631 00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:54.800 you saw. At no point they tried to discredit him 632 00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:57.039 or or argue against what he saw. 633 00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:01.239 Yeah. Yeah, and those those two cases, that's that's interesting too. 634 00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:04.639 You're apart and very very similar from both witnesses. 635 00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:08.480 Yeah, and you know what's fascinating is that the one 636 00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:11.920 encounter that happened in New Mexico, what's happened in a 637 00:41:12.039 --> 00:41:17.000 different continent. But the descriptions match up perfectly. They will 638 00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:22.840 drop perfectly, and you know, bothronism More and both Morisse 639 00:41:23.239 --> 00:41:25.960 at no point that they try to capitalize on the encounter. 640 00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:30.039 So they both you know, they could easily capitalized, you know, 641 00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:33.840 but they both barely spoke about it. And of course 642 00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:39.400 now the Loinzomra's cases, it's covered quite extensively, but Marsell isn't. 643 00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:42.880 And you won't find a lot of information about Marsell. 644 00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:48.079 In fact, together the information they're all in French. They're 645 00:41:48.079 --> 00:41:51.880 all in French. You will barely find any official documents 646 00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:57.320 in English because it's barely covered. So it fascinated me 647 00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:02.400 that the two cases occurred just a year, you know, 648 00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:06.599 after each other, and they match up perfectly, that they 649 00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:07.800 are completely identical. 650 00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:11.480 Yeah, and those are just to differentiate because we're going 651 00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:13.599 to get into the close encounters of the four can 652 00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:15.719 Those are close counters of the third count on Jay 653 00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:16.920 Allen Hannick's. 654 00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:19.719 Scale exactly exactly, So just to give a little bit 655 00:42:19.800 --> 00:42:24.800 of context to the listeners. Heinek, who obviously investigated the 656 00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:28.320 UFO phenomena for many years, he created this scale. In 657 00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:30.719 the first book, I covered the first levels, in the 658 00:42:30.800 --> 00:42:35.440 first five levels, so basically just UFHO sightings, right, But 659 00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:39.440 there isn't this close proximity, so the observer and the 660 00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:45.159 UFO are far away. The level six is close encounter 661 00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:48.760 of the third kind, and just as the cases we've 662 00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:52.320 discussed so far, they fall under that. Under that level, 663 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:56.480 they the person is in close proximity, but there isn't 664 00:42:56.760 --> 00:42:59.840 a capture that there isn't in a deduction that comes 665 00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:02.519 in eleven seven. Eleven seven is close encounters with the 666 00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:07.880 fourth kind, where the individual is actually abducted by by 667 00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:08.760 an alien entity. 668 00:43:09.039 --> 00:43:11.960 So let's get into some of the actual abductions. One 669 00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:13.840 of the ones that I wasn't really familiar with. I've 670 00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:16.840 heard of it, but wasn't really familiar with the all 671 00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:19.159 of the details and as in depth as it was 672 00:43:19.559 --> 00:43:24.199 was the Kentucky abductions. And I just had I just 673 00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:27.159 had Geraldine Sutton Stiff on my show talking about the 674 00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:30.960 Hopkinsville Goblin incident, the Kelly greenman Ah, and that's where 675 00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:33.920 I bought. The haunted house that I bought is in Hopkinsville, 676 00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:36.440 not far from where that happened. And I've actually become 677 00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:38.480 friends with Geraldine. I don't know if you're familiar with that, 678 00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:38.840 with that. 679 00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:41.639 Story, the little yeah, yeah, yeah, that's so interesting. 680 00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:45.159 Yeah, the Little men that attacked the family. Yea and Geraldine. 681

00:43:45.159 --> 00:43:47.000 It was her father. She wasn't born yet because it 682 00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:49.119 was in ninety fifty five, but it's her father and 683 00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:52.079 grandmother and some of her other aunts and uncles that 684 00:43:52.239 --> 00:43:56.320 experienced that attack from those little the little they're actually silver, 685 00:43:56.519 --> 00:43:59.920 little silver men. But you don't see a whole lot 686 00:43:59.960 --> 00:44:04.000 of not on that side of the state of the 687 00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:07.639 Kentucky area, right, Yeah, on the western side. A lot 688 00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:09.400 of stuff comes out of the eastern side of like, hell, 689 00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:12.960 you're in that type stuff and goblins, Yeah, exactly. But yeah, 690 00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:17.239 the Kentucky abductions in nineteen seventy six I found very interesting. 691 00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:22.039 Yeah, it's one of the cases that absolutely terrified me. Yeah, genuinely, 692 00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:26.400 as I was thinking, like Jesus Christ, this is genuinely terrifying. 693 00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:28.840 And there were many times that I just had to 694 00:44:28.880 --> 00:44:30.920 take a step back a little bit because after so 695 00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:34.559 many hours of reading and writing about it, it just 696 00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:38.519 becomes a little bit too much. And it is one 697 00:44:38.559 --> 00:44:41.400 of the most terrifying cases, not because of the description, 698 00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:46.280 but because of what these women went through. And yes 699 00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:50.840 that is plural women. There were four women, sorry, two women. 700 00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:59.960 So what happened was it was the women are more 701 00:45:00.559 --> 00:45:06.480 Louise and Elaine, and it was January nineteen seventy six 702 00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:10.079 and they were celebrating Mona's birthday, so they just went 703 00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:14.199 out to dinner together. Everything was fine. At the end 704 00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:16.239 of their meal, it was around eleven o'clock at night, 705 00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:21.239 they started driving back home. Louise was driving, Mona was 706 00:45:21.239 --> 00:45:23.639 in the passenger's seat, and Lane was in the back seat. 707 00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:28.840 They started driving, everything was fine, but then from the 708 00:45:28.880 --> 00:45:33.760 passenger seat they saw Mona saw this red light very 709 00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:38.000 you know, odd. It was bright, but she did not 710 00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:40.480 think too much into it. It was simply a bright light. 711 00:45:40.559 --> 00:45:45.519 It was moving erratically. She pointed out to the other 712 00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:48.840 women and they said it's probably an aircraft landing or 713 00:45:48.880 --> 00:45:50.880 as because they are bright met ride so they didn't 714 00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:54.519 think too much into it. But then the aircraft sorry, sorry, delight, 715 00:45:54.639 --> 00:45:59.039 It kept moving very erratically. It kept making sharp turns, 716 00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:05.920 so they were even more curious. A few minutes down 717 00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:09.679 the line, as they continued driving, this red light started 718 00:46:09.760 --> 00:46:13.039 moving from side to side, and it got closer and 719 00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:18.400 closer and closer until it was large enough for them 720 00:46:18.480 --> 00:46:22.280 to have described it bigger than two houses conjoined together. 721 00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:26.480 So it was massive. Apart from that, the light wasn't 722 00:46:26.880 --> 00:46:30.239 The light was moving in relation to the vehicle. So 723 00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:32.599 at one point, if the vehicle moves to the right, 724 00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:36.559 then the light makes the same exact turn. It was 725 00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:41.920 paralleling their movements. At one point the light was just 726 00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:47.000 behind them, It was just behind the vehicle, and it 727 00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:51.360 was moving completely erratically. And it was at that moment 728 00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:54.480 that they saw that this wasn't just the light. It 729 00:46:54.679 --> 00:46:57.599 was a disc shaped aircraft. It was massive, and it 730 00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:02.400 had this ring of red lights around the circumference, and 731 00:47:02.519 --> 00:47:06.079 beneath it was this warm yellow light just on its 732 00:47:06.119 --> 00:47:08.400 on their belly. And at this point it was just 733 00:47:08.559 --> 00:47:13.519 behind their vehicle, so they could see it from the mirror. 734 00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:20.199 And at one point the disc just completely flips on 735 00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:25.119 its belly, completely, does a complete one hundred and eighty degrees. 736 00:47:25.239 --> 00:47:27.119 I think that, yeah, one hundred eight degrees. So it 737 00:47:27.320 --> 00:47:32.880 was throwing its belly and obviously the women were shocked. 738 00:47:32.960 --> 00:47:38.159 They were panicking. Did Louise you know, she's she started 739 00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:42.199 losing control over the car, so she hit the brake 740 00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:45.320 as hard as she possibly could, but the car would 741 00:47:45.400 --> 00:47:48.840 not stop. They tried to lift the handbrake and the 742 00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:51.360 car would just would not stop. It was moving at 743 00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:54.360 eighty five miles an hour, and and the car was 744 00:47:54.400 --> 00:47:59.000 completely out of control. So despite pushing and stepping on 745 00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:02.400 on the they break the car just would not stop. 746 00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:06.840 And that was the last thing they recall. Actually before that, 747 00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:10.480 they saw this fog like light entered the vehicle. So

748 00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:15.360 the cars started filling up with this fog, this burning fog. 749 00:48:15.440 --> 00:48:19.800 They started feeling burn, a burning sensation, and then they 750 00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:24.800 lost consciousness. They had no idea what what happened, so 751 00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:29.039 sometimes had paused. Then around in hindsight, they realized that 752 00:48:29.239 --> 00:48:31.440 an hour and and a half had passed. Around an 753 00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:33.719 hour and senty minutes had passed, and they saw that 754 00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:36.840 they were on the outskirts of Hustinville. It was eight 755 00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:40.639 miles away. They had the recollection of how they had 756 00:48:40.679 --> 00:48:46.039 gotten there, but an hour had passed. They were all 757 00:48:46.199 --> 00:48:49.159 very perplexed and confused as to what had happened, and 758 00:48:49.440 --> 00:48:53.480 they were also experiencing a lot of this burning sensation. 759 00:48:53.599 --> 00:48:56.880 Their skin was burning, so they drove. They decided to 760 00:48:56.920 --> 00:48:59.840 spend the night together, so they drove back to Louisiest 761 00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:04.559 tailor in Liberty. It was one o'clock in the morning 762 00:49:04.960 --> 00:49:08.199 and they were so shocked that they asked the assistance 763 00:49:08.360 --> 00:49:11.920 of their neighbor Lowell. They told him the story, and 764 00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:16.159 he could evidently see burn marks all around their bodies 765 00:49:16.679 --> 00:49:21.400 and their eyes were irritated, irritated. Interestingly enough, each of 766 00:49:21.480 --> 00:49:23.760 them found the mark on the back of their necks. 767 00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:26.880 It was a few inches each of them. It was 768 00:49:26.920 --> 00:49:31.920 in the identical, identical spot on their necks. Apart from that, 769 00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:36.800 while Louise was in the bodroom washing up and trying 770 00:49:36.880 --> 00:49:40.239 to wash her face to ease the burning sensation, she 771 00:49:40.360 --> 00:49:42.800 realized that the minute hand on her watch was moving 772 00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:45.559 as fast as the second hand. And this is a 773 00:49:45.639 --> 00:49:51.800 common occurrence across close encounters. There's a lot of mechanical 774 00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:56.679 medical anomalies that take place. So it was obvious that 775 00:49:56.760 --> 00:49:59.920 something had happened. It was always that something unconventional had happened. 776 00:50:00.079 --> 00:50:02.840 So they called the police to make a report. They 777 00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:05.639 called the Navy station, but they told them that they 778 00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:08.639 could not do anything about it, so they just gave up. 779 00:50:08.719 --> 00:50:11.760 They dropped it. They hoped that they would get over it. 780 00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:14.480 But what they did not know is that their phone 781 00:50:14.519 --> 00:50:17.360 call to the Navy would soon lead to the public. 782 00:50:17.840 --> 00:50:20.840 And this is how we know of their story. What 783 00:50:21.079 --> 00:50:24.840 is upsetting is that their life took a very dark 784 00:50:24.960 --> 00:50:28.880 turn following this. The burner marks and irritation did not 785 00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:32.599 go away, and they started receiving endless phone calls from 786 00:50:32.639 --> 00:50:36.639 news reporters inquiring about what happened. And you know, this 787 00:50:36.960 --> 00:50:39.559 was one of the most credible cases that the press 788 00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:43.280 could pick up on. I mean, three women stating that 789 00:50:43.639 --> 00:50:47.840 they experienced the same exact full encounter and each of 790 00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:52.559 the three women were burned by it. And just a 791 00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:57.639 little segue the paper I talked about that Thedia published, 792 00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:03.199 it stated that many maybe and army personnel, many of 793 00:51:03.320 --> 00:51:09.000 them experienced the burner marks following the closing encounter to UFOs. So, 794 00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:12.920 so anyway back to the story, and so they were 795 00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:16.519 they had these burnermarks, the irritation, and it would just 796 00:51:16.559 --> 00:51:22.000 would not subside. Actually they continued to deteriorate. They could 797 00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:25.960 not sleep, they had this rapid weight loss. They were 798 00:51:26.039 --> 00:51:29.320 completely overhelmed, and they simply did not know what happened. 799 00:51:30.079 --> 00:51:33.800 Adding to the mechanical anomaly that I mentioned, the car 800 00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:38.079 that they use on the night, Louise's car it started 801 00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:43.000 explaining it started experiencing electrical failures that just were unexplainable. 802 00:51:43.440 --> 00:51:45.800 So the light would suddenly stop working and she had 803 00:51:45.880 --> 00:51:49.760 been pulled over multiple times. The minute hand on their watches, 804 00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:53.320 what would just move as quickly as as the second 805 00:51:53.880 --> 00:51:58.119 second arm. Apart from that, even the bedroom clock was 806 00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:01.639 experiencing the same effect. What is bizarre, and perhaps this 807 00:52:01.800 --> 00:52:06.199 is a stretch. But following that day, Louise owned the 808 00:52:06.280 --> 00:52:12.320 pet parakeet and usually he was very warm, he sought 809 00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:15.679 her presence a lot. But following that, each time Louise 810 00:52:15.880 --> 00:52:19.760 entered the room, he would completely become hysterically. He would 811 00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:24.079 start shouting and he would only calm down when Louise 812 00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:28.000 left the room. After this, he died just a month after. 813 00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:32.119 I'm not saying that this

was a direct cause and effect, 814 00:52:32.239 --> 00:52:37.840 but it is certainly ominous. Right So, the investigation what 815 00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:40.840 took place? The women, they were desperate for answers. They 816 00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:43.280 needed to know what happened. At no point did they 817 00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:46.159 consider that they had been abducted. However, I need to 818 00:52:47.000 --> 00:52:49.760 emphasize this point that at no point did they consider 819 00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:52.840 that this was a U Offoe encounter. They did not. 820 00:52:54.280 --> 00:52:57.320 Jerry Black from move On spoke to them and he 821 00:52:57.440 --> 00:53:01.320 told them, listen, we can get your professionals, off, we 822 00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:05.280 can get you speaking with mental health professionals because this 823 00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:09.159 sounds like a genuine case. And then that's what happened 824 00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:14.639 on the day. They expressed their concern for everyone, especially 825 00:53:15.840 --> 00:53:20.119 Louise and Mona. Their health was deteriorating drastically and the 826 00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:24.480 fact they experienced a breakdown shortly after this. And what 827 00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:27.920 is interesting is that move On realized that this case 828 00:53:28.119 --> 00:53:31.320 was very distressing for them and for this reason they 829 00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:36.199 did not want to publicize their encounter without them having 830 00:53:36.960 --> 00:53:41.320 felt better. So they told them, Missine, we'll continue the investigation, 831 00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:46.159 but will simply not publicize or write about the encounter. 832 00:53:47.199 --> 00:53:49.920 So it was the perfect scenario for them at the time. 833 00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:53.960 You know, Jerry blackfirm move On spoke with Alan Heinek 834 00:53:54.159 --> 00:53:56.280 and and he said that he told them miss and 835 00:53:56.280 --> 00:53:58.599 the women are too distressed. They cannot go over what 836 00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:05.519 happened that night. And they suggested the big undergo hypnotic regression. 837 00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:10.320 And for the listeners out there, many abductees undergo hypnotic 838 00:54:10.440 --> 00:54:15.800 regression to reveal what happened during the missing time period. 839 00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:19.800 Just a little side mark. Missing time refers to the 840 00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:23.559 point many people do not recall what happened. They do 841 00:54:23.679 --> 00:54:27.360 not recall what happened when they get aducted. In this instance, 842 00:54:27.440 --> 00:54:29.280 an hour and twenty minutes had passed by and they 843 00:54:29.360 --> 00:54:31.079 did not know what happened. That is known as a 844 00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:36.159 missing time, and hypnotic regression is used. They put the 845 00:54:36.239 --> 00:54:40.280 client under eponotic sands. That way the client is not 846 00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:44.800 too overwhelmed, and that's way they can access these repressed 847 00:54:44.920 --> 00:54:49.960 memories that is being held from the conscious mind. So yeah, 848 00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:52.719 it is used quite commonly in abduction cases because it 849 00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:57.440 is very, very traumatic for the abductee. The first person 850 00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:01.400 to undergo hypnotic regression was Mona. She met a psychiatrist, 851 00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:06.400 doctor Sprinkle, in nineteen seventy seven, and as he put 852 00:55:06.440 --> 00:55:11.079 her under hypnotic trance, she was simply too hysterical. All 853 00:55:11.199 --> 00:55:13.360 she recalled was that they were driving and that they 854 00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:17.920 saw this disk shaped aircraft behind them, and the interior 855 00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:19.960 of the car lit up with the bright light and 856 00:55:20.079 --> 00:55:24.519 they saw this foglike effect. As they saw the fog 857 00:55:24.679 --> 00:55:28.480 enter the car, they started feeling the scorching, scorching heat, 858 00:55:28.639 --> 00:55:31.960 scorching pain, and she became hysterical at that point, to 859 00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:35.599 the point where he decided not to continue on with 860 00:55:36.360 --> 00:55:41.079 the hypnotic regression. So at that point time passes by 861 00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:45.880 and the investigation is sort of still going on, but 862 00:55:46.559 --> 00:55:49.519 no one really has answers. Both move On and Oproar, 863 00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:53.280 which are two organizations which explore the UFO phenomenon, they 864 00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:57.280 were quite stretched financially, so they could most really assist 865 00:55:57.320 --> 00:56:01.920 them any longer. But then luckily the two organizations managed 866 00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:05.079 to reach an agreement with the National Inquirer, which is 867 00:56:05.679 --> 00:56:10.079 a newspaper, and they would cover all the all the 868 00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:14.079 expenses for exclusive coverage. At that point, the women were 869 00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:16.239 desperate for answers, so they said, yeah, I We'll do 870 00:56:16.320 --> 00:56:20.199 anything that would give us answers. And the first thing 871 00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:22.920 they did was they went they underwent a polygraph test. 872 00:56:23.840 --> 00:56:26.199 A polygraph test is what we referred to as a 873 00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:30.239 lie detector test. Although it does not prove whether someone 874 00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:33.079 is lying or not, it is an indicator or whether 875 00:56:33.159 --> 00:56:35.960 someone is being too flawed. I mean, it's its credibility 876 00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:39.239 can be debated, right, but back in the day it 877 00:56:39.400 --> 00:56:42.719 was used even by by it was even using courts. 878 00:56:42.840 --> 00:56:46.519 Right nowadays we realize that it cannot prove or disprove 879

00:56:46.599 --> 00:56:49.239 whether someone is lying or not, But back then it 880 00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:53.159 was to go to to see whether someone is lying 881 00:56:53.280 --> 00:56:56.360 or not the person administering the test. He tried to 882 00:56:56.400 --> 00:57:00.719 find loopholes, he tried to to, you know, find them 883 00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:03.360 out in a lie, but they remained consistent. They were 884 00:57:03.760 --> 00:57:07.119 The three of them described the same exact thing, but 885 00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:09.719 at this point they were not aware that they had 886 00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:12.159 been abducted. All they knew was that they saw the 887 00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:17.079 disk shaped aircraft. They saw this foglike effect flop the car, 888 00:57:17.320 --> 00:57:20.000 and then they lost consciousness. That's all they could recall. 889 00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:23.320 So then they went hipolotical regression again. Six months had passed, 890 00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:30.119 so the immediate traumatic response had subsided a little bit. 891 00:57:31.199 --> 00:57:36.719 The first woman to undergo hypnotic regression was Louise, and 892 00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:42.280 this is where the story gets very ominiscent eerie. I'll 893 00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:45.199 skip over the part where they saw the disc shaped 894 00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:49.480 aircraft and as the car came to a halt, as 895 00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:53.320 it stopped, as she opened her eyes, she found herself 896 00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:56.239 lying down on the table and what seemed like a 897 00:57:56.360 --> 00:58:00.599 medical operating room. And this is once again a common karens. 898 00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:05.400 Amongst the chapters that I write about, when aductees opened 899 00:58:05.400 --> 00:58:10.719 their eyes, they commonly find themselves in this operating room, 900 00:58:11.079 --> 00:58:14.159 and it's very medical. In Louise's case, the room was 901 00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:19.599 very very bright, and around her she saw several humanoid 902 00:58:19.639 --> 00:58:25.760 figures looking down at her, similar to what I described 903 00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:30.400 with Maurice Masse. They were very short, a childlike in 904 00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:36.199 their stature, but they had bulgy, dark eyes, and they 905 00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:38.840 also had this tight fitted suit with a hood over 906 00:58:38.960 --> 00:58:43.800 their heads, which added to the eerie presence. What happened 907 00:58:43.840 --> 00:58:46.880 next is that as she was stuck on the table, 908 00:58:46.960 --> 00:58:49.920 she was completely paralyzed. She could not move. One of 909 00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:53.519 the beings approached her and started pouring the scorching liquid 910 00:58:53.599 --> 00:58:56.800 all over her body. It was what she said, it 911 00:58:56.920 --> 00:59:00.840 was genuinely organizing, and she genuinely thought that she was 912 00:59:01.000 --> 00:59:05.239 going to die. And that's all she could recall, and 913 00:59:05.440 --> 00:59:07.679 that is the last memory that she could recall after 914 00:59:07.800 --> 00:59:11.639 the hypnotic regression. As the days went by after the 915 00:59:11.679 --> 00:59:16.360 hypnotic regression, her health declined rapidly and she was stating 916 00:59:16.480 --> 00:59:20.000 multiple times that she was not going to live another year. 917 00:59:22.280 --> 00:59:27.519 Mona's encounter it was very very similar. As she opened 918 00:59:27.519 --> 00:59:30.119 her eyes, she was in this brightly lit room, but 919 00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:32.960 as she tried to stand up, she saw something holding 920 00:59:33.039 --> 00:59:36.079 her down and she saw five creatures and with the 921 00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:41.000 same description was quite identical. They were wearing surgical surgical 922 00:59:41.119 --> 00:59:43.440 masks and surgical garments, and they were holding her down. 923 00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:47.039 She was completely immobilized. The same thing happened. One of 924 00:59:47.119 --> 00:59:51.840 the beings approached her and he poured this liquid, burning liquid, 925 00:59:51.880 --> 00:59:55.760 all over her face. She genuinely thought that once again 926 00:59:56.000 --> 01:00:00.320 she was going to die, and and differently to Louise, 927 01:00:00.440 --> 01:00:02.880 she did. The next thing she recalled is that she 928 01:00:03.079 --> 01:00:07.760 saw herself floating through this tunnel, dark tunnel, and there 929 01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:09.639 was a room, and she in one of the room. 930 01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:12.400 In this room, she saw a woman lying down, but 931 01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:15.639 she could not decipher whether it was Elaine or Louise. 932 01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:18.639 But that's all she could recall under hypnosis as well. 933 01:00:19.119 --> 01:00:23.760 The last women, the remaining woman, Elaine, when she was 934 01:00:23.840 --> 01:00:29.079 under hyplotic regression, she saw she was once again in 935 01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:31.559 the small room. It was very she described it as 936 01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:34.760 a chamber. It was very dark, differently to what the 937 01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:38.480 other two women saw, and there were these two creatures, 938 01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:41.159 several of them actually, They were moving back and forth, 939 01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:44.880 back and forth, and they were observing her very very closely. 940 01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:49.039 The first thing they did was they poured this burning 941 01:00:49.079 --> 01:00:53.480 liquids over her. But then she was also exposed to 942 01:00:53.639 --> 01:00:58.480 this second experiment. Basically, they placed this material around her neck, 943 01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:01.599 and each time she tried to speak, or each time 944 01:01:01.679 --> 01:01:05.079 she she had a thought, it would tighten. It was 945 01:01:05.199 --> 01:01:06.960 very verbericate. It

was tightened each time she had a 946 01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:10.159 thought and each time she tried to speak, and was 947 01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:14.360 essentially suffocating her in the hypnotic regression. So back in 948 01:01:14.480 --> 01:01:18.039 the clinic, as she was describing this, she grabbed her 949 01:01:18.480 --> 01:01:21.880 her neck and she was shouting in desperation and she 950 01:01:22.039 --> 01:01:26.239 was experiencing the paindro just again. Elaine then stated that 951 01:01:26.559 --> 01:01:29.639 once the experiment came to a conclusion, one of the 952 01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:34.480 beings approached her and he placed this very small one 953 01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:39.039 inch device it looked like a bullet over her, over 954 01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:44.440 her left check and and that's all that she could 955 01:01:44.519 --> 01:01:48.480 recall from the experience. As well. As I mentioned earlier, 956 01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:55.199 this case, it was very harrowing. Right, There are very 957 01:01:55.800 --> 01:02:02.519 very little cases in Chara as gruesome and as barbaric 958 01:02:02.880 --> 01:02:05.840 to an extent as this one. And it has a 959 01:02:05.880 --> 01:02:09.920 lot of a lot of convincing factors. Let's start from there. 960 01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:13.840 The two factors that I even explore in the book. 961 01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:17.719 It's an either or either they're telling the truth or als. 962 01:02:17.800 --> 01:02:20.400 This is all a hoax, this is all a lie. 963 01:02:21.840 --> 01:02:25.079 I start off by exploring the extceterrestrial hypothesis because it 964 01:02:25.199 --> 01:02:31.519 is the one theory that sort of explains everything. So, 965 01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:34.719 first of all, there's these three women, three of them 966 01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:40.519 experience the same story. There is more than eyewitness. Each 967 01:02:40.559 --> 01:02:42.760 of their three stories are identical, and that makes the 968 01:02:42.840 --> 01:02:46.280 case immediately more credible because there is more than one eyewitness. 969 01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:53.000 There's the physical evidence of the burning marks, which was 970 01:02:53.079 --> 01:02:58.559 witnessed by many individuals. There was their neighbor, and their 971 01:02:58.639 --> 01:03:02.880 health was continuous sleep deteriorating. It just did not get better. 972 01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:06.239 They each found had the mark behind their neck. And 973 01:03:06.760 --> 01:03:10.400 the psychological symptoms are actually just as if not even 974 01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:14.119 more severe than the physiological ones. There were a lot 975 01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:19.119 of cramatic symptoms that they simply just could not get 976 01:03:19.159 --> 01:03:23.440 over at all. In fact, one of the women, she 977 01:03:23.559 --> 01:03:26.840 stated that until their death, they could not their life, 978 01:03:26.920 --> 01:03:29.360 could not get back to Norman. It just could not. 979 01:03:30.119 --> 01:03:32.840 They started avoiding the public as much as possible, to 980 01:03:32.960 --> 01:03:35.679 the point that they started secluding themselves in their own home. 981 01:03:36.480 --> 01:03:40.199 They even, you know, they could have made money from this. 982 01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:42.440 They could have easily made money, but they refused to 983 01:03:42.480 --> 01:03:46.880 talk to anyone about this except for move On Opro 984 01:03:47.280 --> 01:03:51.760 and the National Inquirer, as they had agreed once the 985 01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:54.280 investigation came to an end, they did not talk about 986 01:03:54.320 --> 01:03:57.800 it to anyone at all. Interestingly enough, on the night 987 01:03:58.039 --> 01:04:01.440 of the incident that took place, there were many upon 988 01:04:01.559 --> 01:04:05.440 reports by other individuals. For instance, a couple so this 989 01:04:07.280 --> 01:04:12.400 large light passing over this Tanford area. Interestingly enough, also 990 01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:15.039 where the car came to a halt, it was just 991 01:04:15.599 --> 01:04:19.719 next to a farm, and one of the residing. One 992 01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:22.360 of the residents there they had actually seen this large 993 01:04:22.440 --> 01:04:27.920 light come to a stationary position, just hovering silently, which 994 01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:32.079 sort of corroborates their encounter. Right. The only other explanation 995 01:04:32.199 --> 01:04:34.039 that I could think of as as I wrote this 996 01:04:34.239 --> 01:04:37.480 chapter was that this was a hoax. But I could 997 01:04:37.599 --> 01:04:40.280 find very little reasons as to why they would do so. 998 01:04:41.480 --> 01:04:46.000 I personally, if I was experiencing that much anguish, I 999 01:04:46.039 --> 01:04:48.599 would if I was making it up, I would want 1000 01:04:48.639 --> 01:04:52.440 to capitalize on it. But right, it's sort of very 1001 01:04:52.519 --> 01:04:55.159 illogical for them to make the story up and then 1002 01:04:55.239 --> 01:04:57.119 not gain anything from it, you know. 1003 01:04:57.679 --> 01:05:00.960 Yeah, And also with three different people haven't the same 1004 01:05:01.320 --> 01:05:03.760 or similar accounts. I mean that that would be hard 1005 01:05:03.800 --> 01:05:04.840 to do if you're lying. 1006 01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:07.679 Exactly, you know, you would get caught at one point. 1007 01:05:07.719 --> 01:05:09.320 Yeah, because you've come up with a story. It'd be 1008 01:05:09.360 --> 01:05:12.360 hard for three people to keep all the things the 1009 01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:15.760 same when they're interviewed separately, and especially with like hypnosis. 1010 01:05:16.320 --> 01:05:20.800 I mean, you know, yeah, they for the regression, I 1011 01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:22.920 would think that they would have to believe that they 1012 01:05:22.960 --> 01:05:23.440 went through this. 1013

01:05:23.920 --> 01:05:28.000 Indeed, indeed, exactly the way that hypnosis works is that 1014 01:05:28.199 --> 01:05:30.679 they put you in a hypnotic trancel that you can 1015 01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:33.880 access those memories that are not as accessible to the 1016 01:05:33.960 --> 01:05:38.159 costs mind. So this is also one of the cases 1017 01:05:38.199 --> 01:05:41.840 where it made me think quite a bit from a 1018 01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:44.880 philosophical point of view that you know, many times you 1019 01:05:44.960 --> 01:05:48.480 hear people saying that aliens, if they existed, then they 1020 01:05:49.119 --> 01:05:52.800 want to protect humans, they want to protect the planet. 1021 01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:57.679 But then I look at this case and I realized that, listen, 1022 01:05:57.760 --> 01:06:00.079 that is not necessarily the case. No one knows what 1023 01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:03.920 their intentions are. As a macubtact to have many instances 1024 01:06:04.000 --> 01:06:08.360 where we can see that they have malicious intentions such 1025 01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:11.440 as this one, And that's exactly what Lou Alizondo states 1026 01:06:11.440 --> 01:06:14.039 as well. He says that you can never guess what 1027 01:06:14.119 --> 01:06:16.920 their intentions are because we just do not know. And 1028 01:06:17.079 --> 01:06:21.960 there are there are cases where they have been malicious 1029 01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:28.719 to the observers, to the experiencers, and you know, unfortunately 1030 01:06:28.880 --> 01:06:33.320 for Mona, Elaine and Louise, they just did not recover 1031 01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:37.239 from it. Weeks turned into months, and then it turned 1032 01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:40.880 into years and they just continued to suffer and they 1033 01:06:40.960 --> 01:06:45.119 never returned to who they were before. And that's what 1034 01:06:45.519 --> 01:06:46.480 stuck with me the most. 1035 01:06:46.760 --> 01:06:49.639 Yeah, it's it's interesting because the dichonomy between some of 1036 01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:53.199 the cases because it was like Travis Walton, he believes 1037 01:06:53.239 --> 01:06:55.960 that they accidentally killed him and took him on board 1038 01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:58.159 to bring him back to life because they hit him 1039 01:06:58.159 --> 01:06:59.800 with that light or whatever and it stopped as hard 1040 01:07:00.039 --> 01:07:02.599 and knocked them back around. Yeah, and so and then 1041 01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:05.199 you know in this, i mean the one woman almost 1042 01:07:05.239 --> 01:07:07.079 lost her as light because their ass were burnt and 1043 01:07:07.119 --> 01:07:09.039 swollen and they had those burns and health problems. 1044 01:07:09.320 --> 01:07:10.840 Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. 1045 01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:13.719 Yeah, it's interesting. One of the things that you hear, 1046 01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:16.679 you know, in the alien UFO world is that you know, 1047 01:07:16.800 --> 01:07:19.719 maybe there are different races that are coming here that 1048 01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:21.440 some of them have better intentions than others. 1049 01:07:21.840 --> 01:07:24.719 Yeah, you see, it is these questions that make you 1050 01:07:24.800 --> 01:07:29.039 think philosophically, because I mean, I think I had I 1051 01:07:29.079 --> 01:07:31.400 think it was Stanton Friedman who had told me this. 1052 01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:36.320 Stanton obviously he paused, now, but yeah, some years ago 1053 01:07:36.679 --> 01:07:39.000 I was talking to him about this and he said, 1054 01:07:39.039 --> 01:07:41.360 in the same way that you know there are good 1055 01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:45.000 humans and bad humans, we have to assume the same 1056 01:07:45.119 --> 01:07:48.719 for these beings. There are beings who have good intentions, right, 1057 01:07:49.280 --> 01:07:54.559 and there are beings who have malicious intentions. And you know, 1058 01:07:54.719 --> 01:07:57.320 as I look over at the chapters in my book, 1059 01:07:57.800 --> 01:07:59.920 I I, for example, right now, I'm looking at stuff 1060 01:08:00.119 --> 01:08:05.079 Michelak's case. It is very similar to this Kentucky abduction 1061 01:08:05.199 --> 01:08:09.159 and he was harmed by his by his encounter. I 1062 01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:12.239 encourage the listeners right now to just google Stefan Michelotte 1063 01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:14.360 and you can see the behmarks on his body. But 1064 01:08:14.440 --> 01:08:18.119 then I look at you know, Whitey's three Bear. I 1065 01:08:18.199 --> 01:08:21.840 look at Letty and Barney, and they each describe this 1066 01:08:22.960 --> 01:08:26.560 experience to be sort of as spiritual as spiritual awakening, 1067 01:08:27.920 --> 01:08:31.680 where they are sort of telling telling them and that listener, 1068 01:08:31.720 --> 01:08:34.680 we need to start taking care of you. Know, the 1069 01:08:34.920 --> 01:08:39.119 sustainability essentially to take care of the planet. So, as 1070 01:08:39.159 --> 01:08:43.119 you stated perfectly, there is this dichotomy between the cases 1071 01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:47.920 which are sort of looking looking out for the planet 1072 01:08:48.039 --> 01:08:53.159 and for the abductee. But then there's also these cases 1073 01:08:53.359 --> 01:08:56.560 that just prove that, you know, some of these encounters 1074 01:08:56.680 --> 01:09:01.960 are malicious and these is they do not necessarily have 1075 01:09:02.640 --> 01:09:05.039 the good intentions that many of us assume they do. 1076 01:09:05.359 --> 01:09:09.039 Yeah, it's a fascinating cases in this book as well 1077 01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:12.079 as in your previous book. And I love how they're 1078 01:09:12.279 --> 01:09:15.600 they're kind of you started kind of a series without 1079 01:09:15.640 --> 01:09:19.000 doing a series like their companion books, because the way 1080 01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:22.600 we continued, you know, on

Jay Allen Hannick's scale, you 1081 01:09:22.720 --> 01:09:24.600 kind of continued from the first one on to this one. 1082 01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:30.079 Yeah. Yeah, I remember just before rightly writing the first book, 1083 01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:34.279 I just wanted to explore the phenomenon, you know, because 1084 01:09:34.279 --> 01:09:37.800 obviously I've read I've read many books about the phenomenon, 1085 01:09:37.920 --> 01:09:40.319 but there isn't sort of I wanted to create this 1086 01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:43.560 series where if you combine all of them, they give 1087 01:09:43.640 --> 01:09:48.039 you this convincing argument that we are not alone, right, 1088 01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:51.239 and we should not be asking are we alone? We 1089 01:09:51.319 --> 01:09:55.239 should be asking why? Why are we being visited, what 1090 01:09:55.479 --> 01:09:58.760 are their intentions? That is the question that we should 1091 01:09:58.800 --> 01:09:59.920 be asking at this point. 1092 01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:03.119 Yeah, and also asking for more disclosure from the governments 1093 01:10:03.119 --> 01:10:03.680 around the world. 1094 01:10:04.079 --> 01:10:08.239 Yeah, yeah, indeed, indeed, you know right now there's talks 1095 01:10:08.279 --> 01:10:11.439 of the of another hearing is kept coming up. But 1096 01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:16.119 and many times people get caught up in this in 1097 01:10:16.199 --> 01:10:19.479 this argument, you know, like when is disclosure going to happen? 1098 01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:24.640 But then my question simply is the disclosure is happening. 1099 01:10:24.720 --> 01:10:27.000 I mean, we're having the d i A published papers 1100 01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:33.239 about how UFOs are harming military personnel, We're having you know, 1101 01:10:33.319 --> 01:10:38.800 whistle blowers testifying in Congress. I mean, that's that is disclosure, 1102 01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:43.520 and we need to start giving you know, these stories 1103 01:10:43.640 --> 01:10:48.760 the importance that it deserves. And of course your FOX 1104 01:10:48.880 --> 01:10:52.039 sightings are very interesting, and I do think that if 1105 01:10:52.079 --> 01:10:55.119 someone is not acquainted with the phenomenon, they should start 1106 01:10:55.159 --> 01:11:02.319 with UFO sightings. But then once you comprehend and acknowledge 1107 01:11:02.399 --> 01:11:06.720 that these beings exist, the question should shift as to 1108 01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:10.760 what is happening to those individuals who are having close 1109 01:11:10.880 --> 01:11:15.760 encounters and you know, what is happening when abductions take place, 1110 01:11:16.359 --> 01:11:21.079 and what is division behind these abductions? Why on a 1111 01:11:21.079 --> 01:11:27.399 philosophical perspective, why are these abductions taking place? 1112 01:11:27.960 --> 01:11:30.359 Right? Yeah? What do they want from us? Why are 1113 01:11:30.439 --> 01:11:35.680 they mutilating animals and abducting? Yeah, very fascinating and another 1114 01:11:35.720 --> 01:11:37.760 awesome book. Warren, thank you so much for coming on today. 1115 01:11:38.039 --> 01:11:41.479 It's been an absolute pleasure. Eric. It's always fun talking 1116 01:11:41.560 --> 01:11:45.279 to you being on the podcast. I genuinely like to 1117 01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:49.439 think all all the listeners feel free to reach out 1118 01:11:49.479 --> 01:11:53.039 to me on Instagram and Facebook. Let me know what 1119 01:11:53.159 --> 01:11:57.039 you think about the phenomenon. I feel free to reach out. 1120 01:11:57.600 --> 01:12:00.079 And the new book is called Close Encounters, exploring the 1121 01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:03.000 Mysteries of Alien Productions. And where can people grab a 1122 01:12:03.039 --> 01:12:03.479 copy of it? 1123 01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:06.720 So they can grab the copy? Just where you buy books. 1124 01:12:06.760 --> 01:12:12.359 There's Amazon, there's wh Smith, It's anywhere where you can 1125 01:12:12.479 --> 01:12:15.319 buy buy your book, all right. And if people want 1126 01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:17.760 a signed copy, just get in touch with me and 1127 01:12:17.960 --> 01:12:20.920 we can arrange for that to happen as well. Obviously 1128 01:12:21.840 --> 01:12:23.479 I'll do it will be the same price. I will 1129 01:12:23.520 --> 01:12:25.439 obviously be charging more for that, So feel free to 1130 01:12:25.680 --> 01:12:26.279 reach out to me. 1131 01:12:26.880 --> 01:12:29.279 All right. Awesome, Thank you again, Warren. All right, everybody, 1132 01:12:29.800 --> 01:12:31.640 y'all stay safe for there, have a good day. We'll 1133 01:12:31.640 --> 01:12:38.079 see you next time. Thank you for listening to the 1134 01:12:38.159 --> 01:12:41.279 Unseen Paranormal. Join me next Wednesday with a brand new guest, 1135 01:12:41.560 --> 01:12:45.520 and please rate, review, share, subscribe on Apple, Spotify, or 1136 01:12:45.520 --> 01:12:48.159 wherever you're listening right now. This helps more people discover 1137 01:12:48.239 --> 01:12:51.560 the show. 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