How Your Attention Shapes the Reality You Experience ၏ စာသားမှတ်တမ်းအပြည့်အစုံ

is behind you, 45 00:01:40.049 --> 00:01:43.450 the future is ahead, and you're just riding along. Well, 46 00:01:43.530 --> 00:01:47.980 our guest today thinks that picture isn't just incomplete, it's 47 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:51.680 actually keeping people stuck. He spent years building a framework 48 00:01:51.700 --> 00:01:54.840 where attention, not clock, is what steers your life. And 49 00:01:54.859 --> 00:01:58.109 he's taken it everywhere from coast to coast AM to 50 00:01:58.219 --> 00:02:01.209 Gaia and now on the skeptic musician. So he finally 51 00:02:01.250 --> 00:02:04.599 hit the big time. He also calls it physics. And, 52 00:02:04.629 --> 00:02:06.629 you know, we're going to have something to say about that. 53 00:02:07.269 --> 00:02:09.430 Chris Rael, welcome to the show. How are you doing today? 54 00:02:09.449 --> 00:02:15.050 Hey, thank you, Will. Thank you, Karen. I'm doing absolutely fantabulous. 55 00:02:15.430 --> 00:02:18.430 I love to talk about ether physics and time. And 56 00:02:19.090 --> 00:02:21.509 you guys are spot on. You can't ever really be 57 00:02:21.569 --> 00:02:25.289 late whenever there's nowhere to really go. Right, right. 58 00:02:25.409 --> 00:02:27.770 So I need that. Well, we recorded that, so now 59 00:02:27.810 --> 00:02:30.330 I can play it for my boss all the time. 60 00:02:30.349 --> 00:02:31.509 Can't be late, boss. 61 00:02:33.050 --> 00:02:33.370 Yes. 62 00:02:34.050 --> 00:02:35.930 Oh, he'll tell you where to go, though. 63 00:02:36.030 --> 00:02:37.370 Right, right. All right. 64 00:02:38.409 --> 00:02:41.379 So then let's just cut right into the meat of it. 65 00:02:41.389 --> 00:02:43.330 I know we've got a lot to talk about, but 66 00:02:43.370 --> 00:02:45.090 this time being a sphere thing. 67 00:02:45.289 --> 00:02:45.930 Yeah, absolutely. 68 00:02:46.169 --> 00:02:50.590 We've heard that time is happening all at one time. 69 00:02:51.449 --> 00:02:53.729 So not linear, but it's actually happening all at the 70 00:02:53.750 --> 00:02:56.150 same time. So almost like a film strip. But you 71 00:02:56.370 --> 00:02:58.449 liken it more to a sphere. 72 00:02:58.909 --> 00:03:00.069 Right. 73 00:03:00.150 --> 00:03:02.830 Can you help us kind of wrap our heads around that? 74 00:03:03.789 --> 00:03:10.780 Yeah, wrap your head around that, right? So it's everything. So, yes, traditionally, 75 00:03:10.810 --> 00:03:14.349 they do not teach this stuff in college and mainstream science, 76 00:03:14.409 --> 00:03:18.539 especially not even in a lot of new age or, 77 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:24.729 you know, contemplative circles. Again, sphere. So time being a 78 00:03:24.810 --> 00:03:28.729 straight line helps us make sense of our everyday life, right? 79 00:03:29.030 --> 00:03:33.500 But it doesn't actually explain the experience that we all 80 00:03:33.560 --> 00:03:36.020 have that is kind of hard to explain, right? So 81 00:03:36.620 --> 00:03:39.240 deja vu is another one, right? So

dreams, and then 82 00:03:39.259 --> 00:03:42.099 you have a dream and then something happens, right? So 83 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:45.680 time being a sphere is really about looking at reality 84 00:03:45.780 --> 00:03:50.620 from a frequency standpoint instead of a hardcore... you know, 85 00:03:50.680 --> 00:03:54.400 this is a wall, you know, solid matter. Everything we 86 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:59.439 know about time is only relative to the observer, right? 87 00:03:59.539 --> 00:04:04.259 So the experience of the self gives you this seemingly 88 00:04:04.379 --> 00:04:08.319 linear experience of time. But all you're really ever doing 89 00:04:08.360 --> 00:04:13.080 is shifting how your brainwaves and how your emotions interact, 90 00:04:13.259 --> 00:04:15.240 which gives you a whole, what I call an etheric 91 00:04:15.259 --> 00:04:19.959 pulse rhythm, a whole set of circumstances that now validates 92 00:04:20.589 --> 00:04:23.329 what you're thinking, what you're feeling. So you're only ever 93 00:04:23.449 --> 00:04:27.540 moving from one idea to another. You're not really ever 94 00:04:27.620 --> 00:04:30.600 moving in a straight line, right? The straight line is 95 00:04:30.680 --> 00:04:35.060 relative to the point of consciousness who's having the experience. 96 00:04:35.079 --> 00:04:38.490 So that's the short version, Will. I teach classes on 97 00:04:38.509 --> 00:04:41.769 this and we go real deep, but that's the brief intro. 98 00:04:42.939 --> 00:04:45.399 So how do we explain that to my body? Because 99 00:04:45.439 --> 00:04:47.370 it feels like it's moving in a line and I'm 100 00:04:47.379 --> 00:04:48.290 not liking where it's headed. 101 00:04:49.689 --> 00:04:52.089 Exactly. So I have this model called the time sphere. 102 00:04:52.329 --> 00:04:55.209 And in the time sphere, you would essentially be, your 103 00:04:55.250 --> 00:04:57.889 body would be at the center of that sphere, right? Now, 104 00:04:58.069 --> 00:05:01.069 all around you is this, let's say, little lights, little 105 00:05:01.110 --> 00:05:05.259 kind of blinking and flashes, right? Those don't represent other timelines. 106 00:05:05.300 --> 00:05:10.589 They represent other experiences or other choice points, right? So 107 00:05:10.910 --> 00:05:13.149 if you choose in this moment to have this call 108 00:05:13.410 --> 00:05:16.079 with me and then the next moment you choose to 109 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:17.819 do something else, it's not that you're going in a 110 00:05:17.860 --> 00:05:22.839 straight line. You're just pointing to or shifting your state 111 00:05:22.860 --> 00:05:26.019 of mind to now interact with one of those choice 112 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:29.790 points that are around you. So this is a concept 113 00:05:29.829 --> 00:05:33.910 that can help us understand how the future, the past, 114 00:05:33.990 --> 00:05:39.089 and the present aren't really different. They're sets of ideas, 115 00:05:39.189 --> 00:05:44.500 sets of experiences that we can tap into. But for you, oh, 116 00:05:44.740 --> 00:05:45.160 go ahead. 117 00:05:45.180 --> 00:05:46.959 I was going to say, so then can you go 118 00:05:47.019 --> 00:05:49.060 back to experiences you've already had? 119 00:05:49.899 --> 00:05:52.370 For sure. Yeah. And we do it all the time. We, 120 00:05:52.870 --> 00:05:55.230 you know, we have a conversation with someone and then 121 00:05:55.250 --> 00:05:57.230 a couple of days later, we kind of revisit that 122 00:05:57.269 --> 00:06:01.769 old topic or we have a good example of we're 123 00:06:01.790 --> 00:06:04.360 thinking of a friend and then the friend messages us. 124 00:06:04.370 --> 00:06:06.290 We're like, oh, we, I was just thinking of you. Right. 125 00:06:07.110 --> 00:06:11.110 So you're experiencing your ideas in you're not experiencing a 126 00:06:11.370 --> 00:06:17.230 linear progression of events. For example, let's think of the 127 00:06:17.250 --> 00:06:23.689 year 1942, for whatever reason that came to mind. 1942 128 00:06:23.689 --> 00:06:30.040 is a set of beliefs, ideas, and circumstances. Now, can 129 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:31.279 you go back to the year 1942? No, but you 130 00:06:31.339 --> 00:06:34.470 can recreate the experiences of 1942. In fact, there was a, 131 00:06:38.829 --> 00:06:42.050 a science experiment done in the late 90s, there was 132 00:06:42.069 --> 00:06:44.769 this elderly group of people, long story short, they weren't 133 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:49.800 doing well. They got placed into an environment that looked 134 00:06:49.819 --> 00:06:54.519 like it was like the 1940s, 1950s. The cars, the food, 135 00:06:54.560 --> 00:06:58.500 the music, the housing, everything was like it was the 136 00:06:58.519 --> 00:06:58.879 1940s and 50s. 137 00:06:59.000 --> 00:07:00.779 Okay, that'd be kind of cool. 138 00:07:01.139 --> 00:07:06.019 Yeah. After a week or so, their elements started to 139 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:09.889 kind of dwindle. And then after about a month or so, 140 00:07:10.069 --> 00:07:14.189 their sicknesses were all but gone. So there was no medication, 141 00:07:14.889 --> 00:07:18.250 no any external thing that they had to ingest or 142 00:07:18.269 --> 00:07:21.350 anything like that. It was all just environmental. So their 143 00:07:21.389 --> 00:07:28.319 brain had then adapted to their surroundings that fit 1940s 144 00:07:28.339 --> 00:07:31.500 and 50s and their bodies responded. So they anti-aged, like 145 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:34.259 quite literally. Wow. 146 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:36.060 So you're saying we got to go back to a 147 00:07:36.079 --> 00:07:37.300 time when we had no cell phones. 148 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:39.680 I'm saying the 90s were the best time ever. 149 00:07:42.459 --> 00:07:46.759 I was thinking like the 80s with the shoulder pads 150 00:07:46.839 --> 00:07:47.939 and hair. 151 00:07:48.339 --> 00:07:49.060 Flammable. 152 00:07:49.100 --> 00:07:49.600 Very flammable. 153

00:07:49.620 --> 00:07:51.160 We're a little older than you, Chris. 154 00:07:52.139 --> 00:07:55.560 I guess so. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, you're right. It's 155 00:07:55.620 --> 00:07:58.149 not about the numbers. It's about the state of mind 156 00:07:58.209 --> 00:08:01.529 and the experience that you're having. That's what generates time. 157 00:08:02.269 --> 00:08:06.410 Time is relative to the experiencer. You know, clocks don't 158 00:08:06.470 --> 00:08:10.319 keep time. Clocks synchronize events. That's it. 159 00:08:11.660 --> 00:08:14.139 But then how do you explain physical aging? Because you 160 00:08:14.160 --> 00:08:17.100 did say people were kind of anti-aging, but probably not, 161 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:18.480 you know, all the way. 162 00:08:18.959 --> 00:08:19.160 Right. 163 00:08:19.220 --> 00:08:20.670 In this 40s situation. 164 00:08:21.230 --> 00:08:26.629 Well, aging, if, okay, so, that's a deep question. Okay. 165 00:08:27.870 --> 00:08:31.670 If you have a toddler, a two-year-old, and you don't 166 00:08:31.769 --> 00:08:34.539 ever tell them that they're two years old, you know, 167 00:08:34.559 --> 00:08:37.029 you never celebrate their birthday, how old would they be? 168 00:08:37.570 --> 00:08:41.389 they have no concept of age. So their body is 169 00:08:41.429 --> 00:08:44.129 only going to be a byproduct of the environment in 170 00:08:44.169 --> 00:08:48.179 which they're in. Now there's maturation, but aging itself is 171 00:08:48.259 --> 00:08:52.740 more of a concept that we've accepted as a people, right? 172 00:08:53.639 --> 00:08:58.000 And we associate numbers with physical well-being, but there's documentation 173 00:08:58.019 --> 00:09:02.409 of people living well beyond 100 just not too long ago. 174 00:09:02.509 --> 00:09:05.970 So aging is, you know, Go ahead. Well, yeah. 175 00:09:06.370 --> 00:09:10.149 So you're saying that the only reason why my back 176 00:09:10.190 --> 00:09:12.370 hurts every time I get up from the couch is 177 00:09:12.409 --> 00:09:14.009 because I think I'm in my 50s? 178 00:09:15.269 --> 00:09:18.480 Yes, there's some truth to that, yeah. I mean, look, 179 00:09:20.620 --> 00:09:22.799 your back could hurt, yeah, because of the bed. It 180 00:09:22.820 --> 00:09:25.340 could hurt because of, I don't know, right? You're sleeping 181 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:29.120 funky at night. But what does it mean to be 182 00:09:29.139 --> 00:09:31.490 in your 50s? When you say that, there's a general 183 00:09:31.500 --> 00:09:35.460 association with that, right? Is there not? 50 is supposed 184 00:09:35.480 --> 00:09:38.200 to mean this, that, and dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. 185 00:09:38.200 --> 00:09:41.799 20 means dah, dah, dah, dah, dah. So we're dealing 186 00:09:41.820 --> 00:09:43.799 with ideas again and concept. Yeah. 187 00:09:44.279 --> 00:09:47.299 Okay. So it's interesting you say that because remember when 188 00:09:47.340 --> 00:09:50.169 we were young and we would think, oh my God, 189 00:09:50.190 --> 00:09:52.110 50s is like ancient. Like, I don't know if I'll 190 00:09:52.169 --> 00:09:54.250 ever make it to 50. I won't ever survive that. 191 00:09:56.769 --> 00:09:58.909 And so we have that mindset and now suddenly here 192 00:09:58.929 --> 00:10:00.960 we are in our 50s, suddenly we're like we're in 193 00:10:01.000 --> 00:10:03.419 a wreck because we were thinking how bad we are. 194 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:08.419 You are tremendously offending me right now. I'm talking about myself. 195 00:10:08.440 --> 00:10:09.340 Now I look like a wreck. 196 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:14.570 You guys are hilarious. I love that. All right. 197 00:10:14.629 --> 00:10:18.440 Well, I'm not. 100% sure I've got my head wrapped 198 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:20.320 around that. But I do want to, I want to, 199 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:23.759 thinking if I talk, we talk about some other topics, 200 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:24.720 it'll come back around. 201 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:25.799 It always does, yeah. 202 00:10:26.500 --> 00:10:29.620 So something that called my attention when I was looking 203 00:10:29.659 --> 00:10:34.470 into you was this whole ether physics thing. Super curious, 204 00:10:34.789 --> 00:10:40.070 what makes something ether physics? I can't even say the word. 205 00:10:40.090 --> 00:10:45.789 Well, we are... In a point in time where we 206 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:49.179 have to have some sort of comprehension of the nature 207 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:51.899 of which we find ourselves in, right? 208 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:52.320 Sure. 209 00:10:52.620 --> 00:10:56.970 So if that's the foundation, we look to mainstream science. 210 00:10:57.070 --> 00:11:00.830 Mainstream science gives us a very Newtonian kind of explanation 211 00:11:00.889 --> 00:11:04.610 for things. You got quarks, particles, atoms, but it's all 212 00:11:04.669 --> 00:11:07.440 geared around physical substrates, right? 213 00:11:08.240 --> 00:11:08.379 Sure. 214 00:11:09.070 --> 00:11:11.850 So what makes something ether is your question. So ether, 215 00:11:12.230 --> 00:11:17.200 through my ontology and this definition, is the substratum that 216 00:11:17.600 --> 00:11:20.480 is the medium that connects everything. It's what everything rises 217 00:11:20.559 --> 00:11:27.059 from and goes back to, right? And so people, we 218 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:29.019 are taught and we're trained to think, again, in a 219 00:11:29.059 --> 00:11:32.610 straight line of first there was this, second there was that, 220 00:11:32.870 --> 00:11:35.629 third there was this, and, you know, the creator kind 221 00:11:35.669 --> 00:11:38.279 of made it all, right? But then the question is, well, 222 00:11:38.299 --> 00:11:40.059 who created the creator and who created, you kind of 223 00:11:40.080 --> 00:11:42.799 go on that rabbit hole, right? So the only thing 224 00:11:42.820 --> 00:11:47.159 that truly in my frame adds up and makes sense 225 00:11:47.460 -->

00:11:51.320 is eternal, right? So there's something that I like to 226 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:56.399 call the ether, but it's really pure presence. It's undefined potential. Now, 227 00:11:56.490 --> 00:11:59.990 through how the human biology is constructed in the soul 228 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:04.990 and the consciousness, we actually are always connected to this ether, 229 00:12:05.029 --> 00:12:09.500 to this source. We are actually it. So, yeah, does 230 00:12:09.539 --> 00:12:12.879 that paint a decent picture first? Sure. 231 00:12:12.940 --> 00:12:16.450 No, I get what ether is, but I've never heard 232 00:12:16.490 --> 00:12:19.529 of ether physics, right? So you've heard of quantum physics. 233 00:12:19.809 --> 00:12:19.990 Right. 234 00:12:20.429 --> 00:12:23.710 Is this similar to what quantum physics is talking about? 235 00:12:24.090 --> 00:12:29.690 It's similar, but in my opinion, quantum physics actually is 236 00:12:29.850 --> 00:12:33.830 still kind of scooting around the deeper truth. Okay. It's 237 00:12:34.110 --> 00:12:35.049 still kind of keeping. 238 00:12:37.220 --> 00:12:40.360 The power out of the people right it's still saying 239 00:12:40.379 --> 00:12:42.899 well we have the answer and like this is whatever 240 00:12:43.019 --> 00:12:46.820 but so ether physics is really the study of time 241 00:12:47.210 --> 00:12:50.110 gravity it's the it's the study of how all these 242 00:12:50.529 --> 00:12:56.730 phenomenological see there it is right all these phenomenological things 243 00:12:56.970 --> 00:13:01.289 take place right so it actually gives people a real 244 00:13:01.490 --> 00:13:07.789 world tangible function to understand reality versus pointing at it 245 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:10.779 and talking about it okay the physics kind of gives 246 00:13:10.820 --> 00:13:16.320 you oh okay i see how whenever this happens like 247 00:13:16.379 --> 00:13:18.700 that yeah so it's different. 248 00:13:18.740 --> 00:13:21.830 So you're saying that you have all the answers i 249 00:13:21.909 --> 00:13:24.549 like that ah here we go. 250 00:13:24.850 --> 00:13:28.370 All right no i will never say i will say 251 00:13:28.429 --> 00:13:32.429 that i have only rediscovered what many people have before 252 00:13:32.470 --> 00:13:36.620 you know tesla you know there's Victor Schauberger, there's other people, 253 00:13:36.759 --> 00:13:40.820 John Keeley, William Reich, they all called it different things. 254 00:13:41.419 --> 00:13:44.340 But every culture has had their people who have discovered 255 00:13:44.360 --> 00:13:49.409 or rediscovered the essence, the principle, the substratum. The hermetics 256 00:13:49.570 --> 00:13:52.429 call it, you know, the great mother and, you know, 257 00:13:52.470 --> 00:13:56.669 or prima matra, right? So it's all the same thing, 258 00:13:58.370 --> 00:14:02.129 but said from a lens of whoever came to realize it. 259 00:14:04.299 --> 00:14:08.610 So you have this information and this understanding. What do 260 00:14:08.620 --> 00:14:09.159 you do with it? 261 00:14:11.429 --> 00:14:13.940 I apply it. I share it. 262 00:14:15.110 --> 00:14:16.230 Like how do you apply it? 263 00:14:16.669 --> 00:14:21.129 Yeah. How do I apply it? So for example, I'm 264 00:14:21.169 --> 00:14:26.320 working on a couple technologies that have to do with time, 265 00:14:26.820 --> 00:14:29.139 have to do with, I don't know how, I guess 266 00:14:29.179 --> 00:14:32.460 we call it free energy, right? So when we look 267 00:14:32.480 --> 00:14:37.500 at technology today, Technology is essentially meant to augment the 268 00:14:37.539 --> 00:14:40.899 human experience. But our technology kind of dwindles us. It 269 00:14:41.139 --> 00:14:41.679 ages us. 270 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:42.440 For sure. 271 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:43.899 Yes, absolutely. 272 00:14:44.220 --> 00:14:48.970 Because it's not connected to the ether. It's not connected 273 00:14:48.990 --> 00:14:53.769 to the field. So it can't produce clean energy. So 274 00:14:54.149 --> 00:14:57.250 we can build devices that are generated just like the 275 00:14:57.289 --> 00:15:01.830 pyramids were through the understanding of things like ether physics, right? 276 00:15:02.350 --> 00:15:05.230 What time is, what gravity is. right how these things 277 00:15:05.389 --> 00:15:09.950 actually play into something like technology you study the ether 278 00:15:10.250 --> 00:15:14.570 through meditation through observation you then see the patterns you 279 00:15:14.610 --> 00:15:17.809 observe the patterns then you replicate and you apply them 280 00:15:18.950 --> 00:15:24.100 then you find the material copper different metals gold wood 281 00:15:25.220 --> 00:15:28.740 that are naturally conductive and you start to build things 282 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:32.559 that support human well-being so that's one way i apply 283 00:15:32.600 --> 00:15:35.450 them um I mean, I apply ether physics. Also just 284 00:15:35.509 --> 00:15:43.200 like understanding civilization, right? Like how people function in terms 285 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:46.340 of relationship, right? I know this is a little bit 286 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:50.899 off topic, but the masculine and feminine, positive and negative, okay? 287 00:15:51.360 --> 00:15:56.990 Nothing in nature exists without those two polarities, literally nothing, right? 288 00:15:57.409 --> 00:16:01.570 So when you understand that you need both charges, you 289 00:16:01.590 --> 00:16:04.889 can understand that in relationships, the reason that there's a 290 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:08.649 man and that there's a woman is because whenever they 291 00:16:08.690 --> 00:16:12.429 connect and unite, there's a charge, there's life, there's a spark, right? 292 00:16:12.929 --> 00:16:14.929 So when you understand yourself, oh, go ahead, Will. 293 00:16:15.049 --> 00:16:18.269 I'm sorry to interrupt you, but you're talking specifically this 294 00:16:18.509 --> 00:16:23.200

3D world, right? Because when we pass on, there is 295 00:16:23.259 --> 00:16:26.919 no light or dark. There is no man or female, right? 296 00:16:28.639 --> 00:16:32.509 It's again, it's relative because I think And I love 297 00:16:32.529 --> 00:16:34.009 that you're taking it here. And thank you for pausing 298 00:16:34.029 --> 00:16:37.509 me because I can just, I'll keep going. This is 299 00:16:37.529 --> 00:16:40.000 another thing I think is really important. This is what 300 00:16:40.019 --> 00:16:42.720 I've learned through ether physics is that there is no 301 00:16:42.840 --> 00:16:45.559 here and there is no there, right? Whenever you dream 302 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:49.200 at night, you are existing in that other place that 303 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:53.539 we assume whenever we die, right? So you're already in 304 00:16:53.580 --> 00:16:54.799 the ether. You're already doing the thing. 305 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:55.120 Yeah. 306 00:16:55.539 --> 00:16:58.019 So when you die, you go to this place that 307 00:16:58.059 --> 00:16:59.159 you are when you're dreaming? 308 00:17:00.590 --> 00:17:03.090 You go wherever your thoughts are focused. Right, right. 309 00:17:03.250 --> 00:17:04.990 You just mentioned there's no there or there. 310 00:17:05.089 --> 00:17:05.569 It's here. 311 00:17:05.589 --> 00:17:07.950 It's here. Oh, man, this is hard. 312 00:17:08.289 --> 00:17:11.390 Okay, so then now I'm like, oh, so if you 313 00:17:11.410 --> 00:17:13.250 go there, you really got to think about what you're 314 00:17:13.269 --> 00:17:14.529 thinking about when you're about to dive. 315 00:17:14.569 --> 00:17:15.390 But there is no there. 316 00:17:15.670 --> 00:17:16.609 Well, okay, yes. 317 00:17:17.589 --> 00:17:19.519 But you guys are both on it. You're both spot on. 318 00:17:19.690 --> 00:17:20.130 Keep going. 319 00:17:20.819 --> 00:17:23.200 So then can you move around? 320 00:17:23.619 --> 00:17:24.539 I mean, go to. 321 00:17:24.480 --> 00:17:25.180 Other not there's? 322 00:17:25.819 --> 00:17:29.230 Yes, yes. And now we're getting into travel, right? You 323 00:17:29.250 --> 00:17:31.950 guys do UFOs and ETs and all the things, right? 324 00:17:31.970 --> 00:17:32.549 Oh, yeah. 325 00:17:32.630 --> 00:17:35.470 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. How in the world can a 326 00:17:35.490 --> 00:17:38.839 starship go from here to here in the blink of 327 00:17:38.859 --> 00:17:42.839 an eye? Wormholes. Okay, yes. 328 00:17:43.559 --> 00:17:44.299 I know Star Trek. 329 00:17:44.599 --> 00:17:48.319 Okay, yes. But wormholes are what? They are not bending 330 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:51.539 space and time. They have a different relationship to space 331 00:17:51.579 --> 00:17:52.019 and time. 332 00:17:52.559 --> 00:17:52.740 Sure. 333 00:17:52.759 --> 00:17:57.460 They understand it from a different perspective, right? So you, 334 00:17:58.019 --> 00:18:01.430 I mean, things like teleportation, in my opinion, it's very real. 335 00:18:01.470 --> 00:18:07.130 It's a matter of practice versus something that we can't do. 336 00:18:07.309 --> 00:18:10.130 We have to shave away basically all the conditioning. We 337 00:18:10.170 --> 00:18:13.259 are a physical body. This is a solid wall. We 338 00:18:13.279 --> 00:18:17.140 have to understand that what makes something solid is that 339 00:18:17.380 --> 00:18:20.819 it's really magnetism, right? So the polarity of the wall 340 00:18:21.240 --> 00:18:23.380 and atoms in the wall, in my hand, they repel 341 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:27.710 and it creates that dense feeling, just like two magnets, right? 342 00:18:29.210 --> 00:18:33.970 Long story short, when we talk about travel, we're talking 343 00:18:34.009 --> 00:18:37.470 about moving through frequency. So we're not talking about linear space. 344 00:18:38.049 --> 00:18:42.490 Linear space is just a address. It's a set of numbers. 345 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:45.259 It's a frequency. It's not, I'm here and you guys 346 00:18:45.299 --> 00:18:47.500 are there. If we have the right technology, I could 347 00:18:47.519 --> 00:18:49.579 be there in a blink of an eye. If I 348 00:18:49.619 --> 00:18:52.240 knew the frequency of where your room was, like, so. 349 00:18:52.990 --> 00:18:57.779 So technology or because some people talk about like Yogananda, right? 350 00:18:57.819 --> 00:19:01.380 The autobiography of a yogi, bilocation and things like that. 351 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:05.420 They didn't use technology. They were just spiritual enough to 352 00:19:05.849 --> 00:19:06.630 actually do it. 353 00:19:07.250 --> 00:19:07.750 Exactly. 354 00:19:08.490 --> 00:19:11.190 But you're saying that we can actually develop technology to 355 00:19:11.230 --> 00:19:13.190 allow us to do these things so we don't have 356 00:19:13.230 --> 00:19:15.750 to be meditating for a thousand years. 357 00:19:16.109 --> 00:19:20.119 Precisely. Technology, again, is meant to augment, support the human 358 00:19:20.130 --> 00:19:24.849 experience and what we can do naturally. So yeah, the 359 00:19:25.009 --> 00:19:29.589 pyramids were actually originally, they were free energy devices and 360 00:19:29.650 --> 00:19:33.039 they were etheric generators. You could be anywhere in the 361 00:19:33.099 --> 00:19:35.559 world and you would have reception. Cell phones are not 362 00:19:35.599 --> 00:19:36.079 a new thing. 363 00:19:36.980 --> 00:19:38.660 So how do you know that? 364 00:19:39.660 --> 00:19:41.859 Oh man, Will, you said we have an hour. I 365 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:48.109 actually remember, I remember a lot from my previous incarnations, 366 00:19:48.130 --> 00:19:51.319 you could say my interdimensional, astral self, however you want 367 00:19:51.339 --> 00:19:54.319 to say ET self. But then it's also been verified 368 00:19:54.480 --> 00:19:58.220 through study. I don't read books. I read old, old 369 00:19:58.309 --> 00:20:00.289 PDFs that I find that no one else knows about. 370 00:20:01.009 -->

00:20:03.509 And there's some really cool stuff that you can find 371 00:20:03.529 --> 00:20:05.630 that's like, okay, so this is why this isn't in 372 00:20:05.650 --> 00:20:09.089 the library because we'd all be teleporting and zipping around. 373 00:20:10.339 --> 00:20:11.180 There's no money in that. 374 00:20:11.839 --> 00:20:15.819 I mean, I can come up with a way to 375 00:20:15.839 --> 00:20:18.799 make money off of that. I'm sure. 376 00:20:19.079 --> 00:20:21.400 Yeah, sell them the magic feather, the Dumbo feather. 377 00:20:21.460 --> 00:20:24.410 I mean, no, I would never do that. 378 00:20:24.470 --> 00:20:29.210 I know. Yeah. But yeah, well, we can definitely do 379 00:20:29.250 --> 00:20:32.490 these things. And it's, you know, I think that humans 380 00:20:32.710 --> 00:20:35.410 or souls are just so profound. We just have never. 381 00:20:36.109 --> 00:20:37.930 That's why I like what ether physics is. It gives 382 00:20:37.990 --> 00:20:41.390 us a deeper understanding of The nature of reality. That's 383 00:20:41.430 --> 00:20:44.549 really what it is. From an empowered place. 384 00:20:46.210 --> 00:20:47.509 So have you ever teleported? 385 00:20:50.920 --> 00:20:51.480 What do you think? 386 00:20:54.740 --> 00:20:56.299 We're really hoping you're going to say yes. 387 00:20:57.539 --> 00:21:01.440 I definitely had some interesting experiences. Ironically enough, the three experiences, 388 00:21:01.460 --> 00:21:05.410 two of them were from where I was driving. And yeah, 389 00:21:05.430 --> 00:21:08.190 it was just like, how did I get here? Like, 390 00:21:08.230 --> 00:21:10.839 I don't remember anything. anything at all i just was 391 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:14.579 a boom boom and you know but yeah so i 392 00:21:14.920 --> 00:21:18.319 i'm gonna say yes because why not you know i'll 393 00:21:18.339 --> 00:21:19.779 leave it up to you guys to believe it or 394 00:21:19.819 --> 00:21:21.559 not all right i like that. 395 00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:27.390 Well so then you have this thing called center hypothesis 396 00:21:28.349 --> 00:21:30.089 we've talked on the show before about the fact that 397 00:21:30.230 --> 00:21:33.430 awareness doesn't come from the brain it's not developed it's 398 00:21:33.470 --> 00:21:36.670 not generated in the brain it's maybe maybe we receive 399 00:21:36.769 --> 00:21:40.700 awareness or consciousness right so How does center hypothesis fit 400 00:21:40.759 --> 00:21:41.299 into all this? 401 00:21:42.019 --> 00:21:45.839 It's a beautiful little puzzle piece. So if you think of, again, 402 00:21:46.380 --> 00:21:49.690 let's use the ocean. That's a great way to understand 403 00:21:49.710 --> 00:21:55.210 the ether. The ocean. Oceans have waves, yeah? Or they 404 00:21:55.230 --> 00:21:58.869 have whirlpools or typhoons or all that kind of spirally stuff. 405 00:21:59.619 --> 00:22:02.299 If you take just a vortex or whirlpool in the ocean, 406 00:22:02.839 --> 00:22:07.039 it's not that the whirlpool is separate. It's still the ocean. 407 00:22:07.539 --> 00:22:13.069 It's the ocean now. becoming recursive and repetitive within itself, yeah? 408 00:22:13.230 --> 00:22:16.170 And that whirlpool is then going to pull different things 409 00:22:16.230 --> 00:22:17.779 into it and it's going to have a whole different 410 00:22:17.819 --> 00:22:22.640 experience than the general ocean, right? So that's kind of 411 00:22:22.660 --> 00:22:26.880 like the center hypothesis. The center hypothesis recognizes that the 412 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:33.059 pure potential primary ether is self-aware to a degree. And 413 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:37.220 once it becomes self-aware, it creates a repetitive standing wave 414 00:22:37.240 --> 00:22:41.880 within itself that then would create memory. Spirals are just 415 00:22:42.140 --> 00:22:46.559 ways or vortexes are just ways in which nature remembers itself. 416 00:22:47.900 --> 00:22:51.640 And through that memory, you have what's called an eye 417 00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:55.519 or an ego or something that is now not just 418 00:22:55.579 --> 00:23:03.529 the original essence. You're now a thing, something. So that's 419 00:23:03.589 --> 00:23:05.930 the starting point of the center hypothesis is that you 420 00:23:05.970 --> 00:23:11.630 become a localized center. in the greater framework of the medium, 421 00:23:11.650 --> 00:23:12.130 the ether. 422 00:23:16.000 --> 00:23:20.759 So what causes that to start, that whirlpool? 423 00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:25.000 So that's like, what is chicken or the egg? My 424 00:23:25.079 --> 00:23:28.140 answer is they both have to be simultaneous. Because again, 425 00:23:28.420 --> 00:23:32.599 you can't have one without the other. So you cannot 426 00:23:32.700 --> 00:23:38.549 have a perception or an experience of reality without... their 427 00:23:38.650 --> 00:23:42.750 first being the essence and the substratum in which you 428 00:23:42.789 --> 00:23:47.650 are having that experience, right? So what causes it is 429 00:23:47.710 --> 00:23:54.059 that nature, the ether is not inert. It's not just nothing. 430 00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:59.799 It is undefined potential. So the very nature of that 431 00:23:59.980 --> 00:24:04.460 means that it has to include everything, which has to 432 00:24:04.500 --> 00:24:09.980 then include the ability to become a perceived different version 433 00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:14.470 of just the whole, of just the, you know, spaceless, 434 00:24:14.730 --> 00:24:19.130 timeless essence. So what starts it is that it's, that's 435 00:24:19.170 --> 00:24:20.789 just what it does. That's just what the ether does. 436 00:24:20.809 --> 00:24:26.869 It reminds me of a Forrest Gump. Is that Forrest Gump? 437 00:24:26.890 --> 00:24:27.809 I don't know. 438 00:24:27.829 --> 00:24:28.809 Stupid is as stupid does. 439 00:24:30.490 --> 00:24:32.609 Ether is as ether does. Yes. 440 00:24:33.119 --> 00:24:36.839 And look at this, ready? So ether,

right? E-T-H-E-R. And 441 00:24:37.359 --> 00:24:39.190 then if you change those letters around, you get there. 442 00:24:39.210 --> 00:24:43.349 So wherever there is always going to be the ether. 443 00:24:44.130 --> 00:24:47.210 But Karen, short and sweet, again, what starts it? Like 444 00:24:47.230 --> 00:24:50.089 we just go from a localized self in this human form. 445 00:24:50.710 --> 00:24:54.230 You start that process every single time you breathe. Every 446 00:24:54.259 --> 00:24:57.339 single breath you take is you're breathing in pure potential. 447 00:24:57.880 --> 00:25:02.180 Your body interprets that energy and changes it into oxygen. 448 00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:07.029 That oxygen then gets converted into energy. you know, fuel 449 00:25:07.049 --> 00:25:09.049 for the rest of your body. Right. And then you 450 00:25:09.190 --> 00:25:12.609 exhale that energy back out into what we call air. 451 00:25:12.630 --> 00:25:19.470 And then the process kind of continues. Yeah. 452 00:25:19.490 --> 00:25:21.799 This is dense stuff. You have to really think through this. 453 00:25:21.900 --> 00:25:22.299 Yeah. 454 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:28.359 So it's, it sounds like you spend a lot of 455 00:25:28.380 --> 00:25:34.960 time studying ether and the nature of reality, right? Fair 456 00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:43.759 to say. So then let's go there. Why are we here? 457 00:25:43.880 --> 00:25:45.940 What is this all about? 458 00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:54.339 So why are we here? Every time I come to 459 00:25:54.380 --> 00:26:00.880 that question, it's not about the why as much as 460 00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:07.140 it is about what experiences are we having? Right. So 461 00:26:07.289 --> 00:26:11.930 when you look up the etymology of existence, it summarizes 462 00:26:12.009 --> 00:26:15.049 to like standing, like to, to stand, right. To, to 463 00:26:15.089 --> 00:26:19.809 stand within or stand like outside of. So existence is 464 00:26:19.869 --> 00:26:23.529 like to stand outside of the self. You exist outside 465 00:26:23.569 --> 00:26:28.329 of yourself. Right. So why, why would this all pervasive 466 00:26:28.549 --> 00:26:32.349 omnipresent field want to do that? And I think it's 467 00:26:32.369 --> 00:26:36.240 a very simple thing. It's like we're here for, for experience. 468 00:26:36.259 --> 00:26:39.099 We're not here to, I mean, on one level, you 469 00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:41.000 could say we're here to learn how to be better people, 470 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:44.460 better souls, but it really, it's like, if you were 471 00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:48.730 a field of pure potential presence, the only way that 472 00:26:48.769 --> 00:26:51.210 you could actually have any sort of anything would be 473 00:26:51.410 --> 00:26:55.190 through experience or else there would be, there'd be nothing 474 00:26:55.230 --> 00:26:58.990 would exist without experience. Nothing would exist without some sort 475 00:26:59.269 --> 00:27:07.000 of duality of I'm

just pure potential consciousness versus I 476 00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:09.859 am a human being talking to another human being who 477 00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:12.900 can know itself as will Karen, Chris, so on and 478 00:27:12.940 --> 00:27:15.849 so forth. That's, you know, the, yeah. 479 00:27:17.009 --> 00:27:21.029 So we've talked to a lot of people and one 480 00:27:21.109 --> 00:27:23.849 common kind of theme that we get is that we 481 00:27:24.109 --> 00:27:27.730 are made out of, I guess, the energy, the energy 482 00:27:27.950 --> 00:27:32.369 of love. So is that, I guess that, that would be, 483 00:27:32.910 --> 00:27:36.670 different than potential? 484 00:27:36.789 --> 00:27:42.150 Love would be an idea within that potential, right? Because potential, 485 00:27:42.470 --> 00:27:45.059 and the thing is, it's really difficult to try to 486 00:27:45.099 --> 00:27:48.759 describe something that just is. There's no one word because 487 00:27:48.819 --> 00:27:53.720 every word I use is just now another idea within that, right? 488 00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:54.480 Does that make sense? 489 00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:54.980 Yeah. 490 00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:59.700 So if I say it's love, ether, primordial, whatever, God, consciousness, 491 00:28:00.740 --> 00:28:03.940 it's still not that thing. that word i'm saying is 492 00:28:03.980 --> 00:28:10.019 just a symbol right so this is why meditation is 493 00:28:10.059 --> 00:28:13.039 so important a good question to ask and this is 494 00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:16.440 for people who want to actually really inquire and experience 495 00:28:16.460 --> 00:28:19.450 this versus just like make into some intellectual thing yeah 496 00:28:19.509 --> 00:28:24.289 please yeah and ask the question what is it that 497 00:28:24.349 --> 00:28:28.930 is observing through these eyes right what's what is what's 498 00:28:28.970 --> 00:28:38.809 observing through these eyes If you say, well, it's Chris. Well, 499 00:28:38.829 --> 00:28:42.049 who is Chris? Well, Chris is a brown man from 500 00:28:42.109 --> 00:28:46.099 Connecticut who's a father. Okay, well, who is aware of 501 00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:48.400 Chris being Chris? 502 00:28:49.980 --> 00:28:50.180 Right? 503 00:28:50.299 --> 00:28:54.660 And you keep going, at least to some pretty cool places. Yeah. 504 00:28:56.049 --> 00:29:01.940 So then the pure potentiality creates... us reality we it 505 00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:05.000 splits off and becomes everything that we know right does 506 00:29:05.019 --> 00:29:09.759 that include like you talked about spaceships earlier like ets 507 00:29:09.819 --> 00:29:12.539 different civilizations is it go that far or is it 508 00:29:12.579 --> 00:29:15.460 just specifically focused on humanity. 509 00:29:15.339 --> 00:29:20.180 No it's it's everything it's literally everything so yes ets 510 00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:25.420 uh rocks cars whatever right and it's again there's this 511 00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:30.259 idea of a of a

creator but that's because we're 512 00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:35.190 human and we anthropomorphize the ether or source or, or divinity. 513 00:29:36.109 --> 00:29:39.849 If I was a, if I was a flower and, 514 00:29:40.609 --> 00:29:45.279 would i say that the source is human or humanoid 515 00:29:45.339 --> 00:29:50.299 probably not right so from the perspective of a flower 516 00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:53.680 what is that what is it that connects the flowers 517 00:29:53.839 --> 00:30:01.390 experience in mind right so who created the flower It 518 00:30:01.430 --> 00:30:05.430 can't be a being. It has to be a principle, right? 519 00:30:06.089 --> 00:30:09.970 And so when we talk about ETs, starships, yes, it 520 00:30:09.990 --> 00:30:12.230 includes all of that stuff because it's all coming from 521 00:30:12.289 --> 00:30:15.529 the same field, the same medium. 522 00:30:17.289 --> 00:30:21.259 Now, you've had an experience with decontact, yeah? 523 00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:23.500 Yeah, I have had quite a few. 524 00:30:24.420 --> 00:30:28.240 Quite a few? So first, you're talking to someone. 525 00:30:28.259 --> 00:30:29.000 Mm-hmm. 526 00:30:29.789 --> 00:30:35.109 Who sat on a cruise ship at night, like forcing 527 00:30:35.150 --> 00:30:38.109 them to come and say hello and nothing. I mean, 528 00:30:38.950 --> 00:30:40.069 Karen thinks that they came. 529 00:30:40.190 --> 00:30:40.869 No, I know. 530 00:30:41.170 --> 00:30:41.490 Okay. 531 00:30:41.569 --> 00:30:43.619 I saw it, Sienna saw it, you saw it, but 532 00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:44.680 you're like, man, maybe not. 533 00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:46.519 I think it was just my eyes doing weird stuff. 534 00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:47.920 We all had weird eyes. 535 00:30:50.140 --> 00:30:52.539 Oh my God. So what, so what do you, what's your, 536 00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:55.880 what's your insight on that? That there was nothing there 537 00:30:55.900 --> 00:30:57.359 that you're inquiring about what. 538 00:30:58.569 --> 00:31:03.869 No, I'm unbelievably curious when we talk to people who 539 00:31:03.930 --> 00:31:07.150 have had contact or some sort of experiences and things 540 00:31:07.170 --> 00:31:10.250 like that, what those experiences are. Because now the government 541 00:31:10.309 --> 00:31:15.339 is releasing all these tranches of UFO footage, which says 542 00:31:15.380 --> 00:31:19.420 really a whole lot of nothing because there's no data 543 00:31:19.440 --> 00:31:20.859 that goes with it. So you can't tell how big 544 00:31:20.900 --> 00:31:22.519 it is, how fast it was going, anything like that. 545 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:25.990 So it's kind of useless now. So the only way 546 00:31:26.029 --> 00:31:28.029 that we can get any kind of information is people 547 00:31:28.049 --> 00:31:30.950 like you who actually have had first-hand experiences with these things. 548 00:31:31.009 --> 00:31:33.849 So not to derail the topic, but I'm really super 549 00:31:33.890 --> 00:31:36.049 curious

if you wouldn't mind sharing. It's good. 550 00:31:36.630 --> 00:31:39.779 Yeah, I mean, honestly, it goes hand in hand. So 551 00:31:40.059 --> 00:31:42.400 I stargaze all the time. It's one of my most 552 00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:45.160 favorite things to do. And I've been doing it since 553 00:31:45.220 --> 00:31:47.839 I was a kid. And there's something about when you're 554 00:31:47.859 --> 00:31:51.319 looking up at the night sky, something happens to your brain. Like, actually, 555 00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:54.329 you can, you know, neuroscience is all into this, like, 556 00:31:55.099 --> 00:31:57.599 how the light from the stars impacts your actual, how 557 00:31:57.619 --> 00:31:59.940 you think and stuff like that. With that said, I 558 00:32:03.380 --> 00:32:06.930 have seen not only starships, but also like I've had 559 00:32:07.210 --> 00:32:11.230 direct experience, yes, through dream, but also physically. And I 560 00:32:11.269 --> 00:32:13.190 won't get into too much details about that because we 561 00:32:13.210 --> 00:32:17.329 don't have too much time. But when we talk about extraterrestrials, 562 00:32:17.930 --> 00:32:20.269 we have to understand something. This is really, really important. 563 00:32:20.970 --> 00:32:25.710 Humans are ETs, like short and sweet. If Will and Karen, 564 00:32:25.730 --> 00:32:27.809 if you hop onto a spaceship and you go to Jupiter, 565 00:32:28.250 --> 00:32:32.720 guess what? You're going to be considered an extraterrestrial, right? 566 00:32:32.940 --> 00:32:35.319 So then again, here we are with this idea of 567 00:32:35.380 --> 00:32:39.619 relativity and here and there. It's all about your point 568 00:32:39.700 --> 00:32:45.339 of perception and perspective. So the things that the government 569 00:32:45.359 --> 00:32:47.359 are showing, I think 80, 90% of it is just 570 00:32:47.380 --> 00:32:49.339 the government, you know, going around each other and just 571 00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:55.589 making a scene. The 10%, 9%, The starships are nuts 572 00:32:55.650 --> 00:32:58.819 and bolts. You know, they have different kinds of plasma 573 00:32:58.910 --> 00:33:03.680 engines made from, you know, Merkaba crystal technology. And this 574 00:33:03.740 --> 00:33:07.519 is what I mean. Technology can become really, really impactful 575 00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:12.180 if we understand metaphysics, ether physics a little differently than 576 00:33:12.220 --> 00:33:16.920 what we've been taught. So who is in these crafts? 577 00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:20.849 It's just people. People, literally just people like me and you. 578 00:33:21.539 --> 00:33:24.339 Like humanoid people? Like we look the same as. 579 00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:29.920 Yes. Yes. Like there are a tremendous amount of humans, 580 00:33:30.099 --> 00:33:34.309 just literal human beings sprinkled throughout the cosmos. Now this 581 00:33:34.430 --> 00:33:37.329 isn't just like a woo-woo thing or it's just Chris 582 00:33:37.369 --> 00:33:40.269

like hoping, wishing. All you have to do is look 583 00:33:40.309 --> 00:33:42.970 at any ancient culture, like not like. 584 00:33:45.650 --> 00:33:47.769 Be careful with that. So look at a lot of 585 00:33:47.829 --> 00:33:53.250 different cultures and you'll see... The stories, you know, they 586 00:33:53.309 --> 00:33:56.450 say they call them chariots of the gods. These are 587 00:33:56.490 --> 00:33:58.809 just starships, and they'll say that the gods came down 588 00:33:59.390 --> 00:34:02.799 from heaven. These are just people. They're just people. 589 00:34:03.099 --> 00:34:05.380 But they look different. Like in the drawings and the 590 00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:08.699 cuneiform and all that kind of stuff, they look not 591 00:34:08.780 --> 00:34:09.219 like us. 592 00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:11.800 They've got the— The headdresses and stuff? 593 00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:15.440 Some look like animals, and some look like, you know, 594 00:34:15.659 --> 00:34:18.559 the big eyes, the typical gray alien kind of things, right? 595 00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:18.940 Yeah. 596 00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:24.010 And there is a theory that ETs are really, what 597 00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:27.449 we're experiencing now is really just humans from the future 598 00:34:27.489 --> 00:34:31.469 come back in time to see, to visit us here, right? 599 00:34:31.710 --> 00:34:38.940 Oh, no. So here we go with the time thing again, yeah? Right. Yeah. 600 00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:43.039 And Dave Grush just talked about the fact that there's 601 00:34:43.099 --> 00:34:45.960 two different alien races at war over the United States 602 00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:48.719 right now, for example. And the fact that he's seen, like, 603 00:34:49.460 --> 00:34:53.340 reptilian beings and and i mean i guess i guess 604 00:34:53.380 --> 00:34:55.539 the nordics look like us tall. 605 00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:59.460 But yeah well i have a question for you um 606 00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:04.369 would you consider that if if there is such a 607 00:35:04.409 --> 00:35:08.989 diverse population on earth that this is the only place 608 00:35:09.070 --> 00:35:11.570 where there's you know diversity and people that look like 609 00:35:11.650 --> 00:35:14.389 us or do you think that there's other just beings 610 00:35:14.449 --> 00:35:15.809 in general out there right. 611 00:35:15.980 --> 00:35:17.550 No, I think this is probably the only place that 612 00:35:17.570 --> 00:35:21.230 has diversity. Okay. 613 00:35:21.250 --> 00:35:21.610 Yes, Will. 614 00:35:21.630 --> 00:35:22.829 Yes, Will. No, no, no. 615 00:35:22.869 --> 00:35:23.349 I'm sure. 616 00:35:23.369 --> 00:35:26.349 In fact, I'm a big science fiction fan and I 617 00:35:26.389 --> 00:35:29.150 have thought about that a lot where, you know, Star 618 00:35:29.170 --> 00:35:32.449 Trek and all those places, they go to different planets. Right? 619 00:35:32.469 --> 00:35:35.369 The planets, they all look the same. All the aliens 620 00:35:35.409 --> 00:35:39.869 look exactly the same with some slight variations. And most 621 00:35:39.889 --> 00:35:41.489 of them in Star Trek are actually humanoid. And there's 622 00:35:41.530 --> 00:35:43.190 a reason for it. If you're a Star Trek fan, 623 00:35:43.210 --> 00:35:45.829 you know the whole reason for it. But, The biggest 624 00:35:45.869 --> 00:35:49.789 question about all that is lots of people have talked 625 00:35:49.829 --> 00:35:52.070 about the fact that ETs are here to help us 626 00:35:52.190 --> 00:35:54.369 in our evolution and things like that, right? 627 00:35:54.409 --> 00:35:54.610 Yeah. 628 00:35:54.630 --> 00:36:00.570 So how connected are they to these ether physics stuff? 629 00:36:01.380 --> 00:36:01.570 All right. 630 00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:05.380 So ether physics started for me after a lot of 631 00:36:05.420 --> 00:36:08.820 my contact. I started to know things. Like I've had 632 00:36:08.860 --> 00:36:11.820 different abduction experience. I just would know things. I'm like, 633 00:36:12.460 --> 00:36:14.139 oh my God, this is what gravity is. This is 634 00:36:14.179 --> 00:36:18.170 what time is. So, this is the fun one. If 635 00:36:18.190 --> 00:36:21.210 you're in a highly advanced race and you want a 636 00:36:21.250 --> 00:36:24.269 culture to develop and you have their best interest, you 637 00:36:24.289 --> 00:36:26.110 know that if you go down in your starship and 638 00:36:26.130 --> 00:36:27.909 you're like, hey, guys, I'm here to help you out, 639 00:36:28.489 --> 00:36:30.300 it's going to cause chaos because the people need to 640 00:36:30.340 --> 00:36:32.659 be ready for that kind of experience. So, you would 641 00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:37.619 send one of you, but in a human form, right, 642 00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:40.079 to fit in, to just kind of get along, to 643 00:36:40.139 --> 00:36:43.139 learn the culture, and then to bring things through that 644 00:36:43.179 --> 00:36:48.579 could literally help push the species forward right some people 645 00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:52.159 have called this indigo children star seeds light workers things 646 00:36:52.199 --> 00:36:53.699 like that but not so much of the new age 647 00:36:53.739 --> 00:36:57.079 stuff i know and i can say this pretty boldly 648 00:36:57.119 --> 00:37:00.320 but also confidently that part of a lot of what 649 00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:03.599 i share comes from directly from my star team like 650 00:37:03.820 --> 00:37:07.929 directly and through deep meditation i like i said dream 651 00:37:08.429 --> 00:37:12.250 i've met people um that have shared things with me 652 00:37:12.750 --> 00:37:15.389 And I've also just been guided into different, like I said, 653 00:37:15.449 --> 00:37:20.150 PDFs and works that have talked about this kind of stuff. 654 00:37:20.789 --> 00:37:25.269 So there is a direct link to the progressive advancement 655 00:37:25.309 --> 00:37:29.250 of humanity and ETs. I think that ETs and the 656 00:37:29.289

--> 00:37:35.230 cosmos themselves is the biggest thing that's being like quelled 657 00:37:35.610 --> 00:37:38.309 because it's also the thing that could actually propel us 658 00:37:38.690 --> 00:37:44.800 into a completely different state of being. Advanced technology, holistic societies, 659 00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:51.219 you know, more of a well-rounded governing structure. This is 660 00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:55.340 all part of the bigger picture. My Instagram handle used 661 00:37:55.360 --> 00:37:59.639 to be called Peaceful Human Advancement. Because that's why I'm here, 662 00:37:59.679 --> 00:38:03.760 is to help people, humans, peacefully advance. 663 00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:04.860 I guess that. 664 00:38:05.590 --> 00:38:10.889 You did. No, you used your telepathy because you're an MC. 665 00:38:11.989 --> 00:38:13.590 Well, if that's the plan, I'm ready for them to 666 00:38:13.630 --> 00:38:13.989 come now. 667 00:38:15.530 --> 00:38:18.230 Would you know if they were, though? I don't know. 668 00:38:18.349 --> 00:38:20.650 Maybe things started getting better all of a sudden. 669 00:38:22.349 --> 00:38:22.630 Yeah. 670 00:38:24.010 --> 00:38:27.840 Yeah, because when you look at technology, things are getting worse. 671 00:38:29.599 --> 00:38:32.800 Social media, cell phones, they started out good stuff, but 672 00:38:32.860 --> 00:38:35.099 they've been warped. They've been twisted. Right. 673 00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:38.360 Government's getting worse. Things are just getting worse. 674 00:38:38.460 --> 00:38:41.579 Everything's getting worse. Except it's not. It's getting better. 675 00:38:41.980 --> 00:38:44.179 See, boom. You read my mind. I was going to say, 676 00:38:44.219 --> 00:38:48.309 but we're having this conversation. So this means something, right? 677 00:38:48.670 --> 00:38:50.690 This is not just like a blip in the pan. 678 00:38:50.730 --> 00:38:55.070 We're having a real conversation about how to be progressive 679 00:38:55.190 --> 00:38:58.179 in the human experience, right? That's what my work is 680 00:38:58.199 --> 00:38:59.360 all about. Yeah. 681 00:38:59.860 --> 00:39:02.889 Well, then perfect. Then let's, let's do that. Let's talk 682 00:39:02.949 --> 00:39:06.289 about ether physics. How can we use it practically in 683 00:39:06.349 --> 00:39:09.090 our human experience? How can we like take the time 684 00:39:09.110 --> 00:39:12.070 sphere thing? How can we use that in our daily lives? 685 00:39:12.090 --> 00:39:14.449 All right. So let's go to the time sphere. All right. 686 00:39:14.550 --> 00:39:17.750 So if I, if I have to go to the 687 00:39:17.769 --> 00:39:21.519 bathroom and I'm in the bathroom and then Will, you 688 00:39:21.559 --> 00:39:23.460 come knocking on the door, you're like, Hey, I got 689 00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:25.440 to go. I'm like, it's been 30 seconds. You're like, no, 690 00:39:25.460 --> 00:39:26.579 it's been like five minutes. 691 00:39:27.460 --> 00:39:27.619 Right. 692 00:39:28.090 --> 00:39:33.809 We're experiencing this. same moment, but time is different for us. 693 00:39:34.550 --> 00:39:34.730 Right? 694 00:39:35.250 --> 00:39:38.130 So why do I bring up this perception of time? 695 00:39:38.570 --> 00:39:40.889 Exactly. So why do I bring up that silly example? 696 00:39:41.309 --> 00:39:45.599 Because when humans become aware of how they're thinking, time 697 00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:46.699 starts to change. 698 00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:48.820 Ah, okay. 699 00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:52.000 Right? You don't change time by changing the numbers. You 700 00:39:52.019 --> 00:39:56.570 change time by changing your thoughts, which you focus on, okay? 701 00:39:56.989 --> 00:40:02.110 So we can apply the time sphere. Again, think of 702 00:40:02.130 --> 00:40:06.050 the sphere and you have, don't think of future, past, present. 703 00:40:06.090 --> 00:40:11.170 Think of new car, you know, whatever, house, whatever, new job, 704 00:40:11.190 --> 00:40:14.400 whatever it is, right? And you put your awareness on 705 00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:16.219 that thing. You start to live in what I call 706 00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:20.550 the creator zone. You think and you, not even believe, 707 00:40:20.590 --> 00:40:23.449 but you allow your mind to go into the reality 708 00:40:23.489 --> 00:40:26.650 of you having that new car, you having that relationship, 709 00:40:27.010 --> 00:40:30.769 and you're literally living in it, in your mind. They 710 00:40:30.809 --> 00:40:34.070 say seeing is believing, and it's not. Seeing is knowing. 711 00:40:35.380 --> 00:40:39.260 So you can only experience what you know, but if 712 00:40:39.300 --> 00:40:41.719 you can't see it out in front of you, you're 713 00:40:41.760 --> 00:40:43.840 never going to know it. So you have to experience 714 00:40:43.900 --> 00:40:46.639 it here. That's why it's called knowing. And what you 715 00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:50.429 experience here Only then is it going to appear out 716 00:40:50.469 --> 00:40:51.010 in front of you. 717 00:40:52.150 --> 00:40:54.030 And for those who are only listening, when he says here, 718 00:40:54.070 --> 00:40:55.500 he's pointing at his mind. 719 00:40:55.699 --> 00:40:56.500 Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah. 720 00:40:56.679 --> 00:40:59.719 It's totally okay. It's totally okay. This is both. So 721 00:40:59.739 --> 00:41:03.019 let's make sure we include them both. So I get 722 00:41:03.059 --> 00:41:05.840 what you're saying and I love it. I really enjoy it. 723 00:41:06.179 --> 00:41:09.820 How is this different than the law of attraction or manifestations, 724 00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:10.480 that kind of stuff? 725 00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:13.320 They're cousins, Timmy and Jim. No, Timmy and Mike. 726 00:41:14.579 --> 00:41:15.619 I got a lot of cousins named Bob. 727 00:41:16.780 --> 00:41:19.159 Okay. So how is it different than law of attraction? 728 00:41:19.219 --> 00:41:22.559 Law of attraction has a subtle misconception in it.

Attraction. 729 00:41:22.980 --> 00:41:25.820 You don't ever attract anything to you. You're not attracting 730 00:41:25.860 --> 00:41:28.869 things to you. There's nothing. This might be a difficult 731 00:41:28.989 --> 00:41:32.590 one for people to grasp. But again, we're taking steps 732 00:41:32.630 --> 00:41:34.670 here to think in a different way than what we've 733 00:41:34.809 --> 00:41:36.630 been taught, right? So it's going to feel a little bumpy. 734 00:41:37.329 --> 00:41:39.969 But everything we see out in front of us is 735 00:41:40.110 --> 00:41:44.260 already in the past. It's already materialized. It's already happened. 736 00:41:44.780 --> 00:41:46.880 It started in your mind and now you're experiencing it 737 00:41:46.940 --> 00:41:50.880 out here, right? So the law of attraction says you 738 00:41:50.900 --> 00:41:54.719 attract things to you and the law of mirrors say 739 00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:58.949 you experience what you are. So Neville Goddard is someone 740 00:41:58.969 --> 00:42:00.429 who I've studied a lot and he talks a lot 741 00:42:00.449 --> 00:42:05.130 about this, how you are not, it's not about attracting, 742 00:42:05.170 --> 00:42:09.849 it's about being. What are you being, right? And so 743 00:42:09.929 --> 00:42:13.409 ether physics would say this, If I'm thinking about, okay, 744 00:42:13.550 --> 00:42:16.369 I want to have a talk with a wonderful podcast, 745 00:42:16.530 --> 00:42:20.250 that thought creates that spiral. That spiral in the ether 746 00:42:20.289 --> 00:42:23.250 becomes more solid, solid, solid. It creates a standing wave. 747 00:42:23.929 --> 00:42:27.010 That standing wave is what we call physical matter. But 748 00:42:27.050 --> 00:42:31.869 physical matter, for my experience, is finding you guys online 749 00:42:32.570 --> 00:42:34.949 and being like, hey, let's set up a show, right? 750 00:42:35.610 --> 00:42:38.630 So that goes from the ether, pure potential, into thought, 751 00:42:39.949 --> 00:42:44.889 to physical action, and then direct experience. That's the sequence. 752 00:42:46.630 --> 00:42:52.449 So, but law of attraction does have, like, at least lately, 753 00:42:52.570 --> 00:42:55.150 people are talking a lot more about how you have 754 00:42:55.170 --> 00:42:58.309 to take aligned action to make it happen. So still 755 00:42:58.760 --> 00:42:59.780 kind of cousin-y, right? 756 00:42:59.889 --> 00:43:00.820 Yeah, for sure. 757 00:43:02.219 --> 00:43:03.000 But pretty close. 758 00:43:03.320 --> 00:43:07.599 It's definitely close. I think what this model shares is 759 00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:13.230 that you are already experiencing the thing. It's not about 760 00:43:13.329 --> 00:43:15.590 waiting for it. It's not about waiting for it and 761 00:43:15.610 --> 00:43:19.550 attracting for it and like looking for signs. It's about 762 00:43:19.769 --> 00:43:24.050 being in the frequency of the thing. That's the shift. 763 00:43:24.869 --> 00:43:30.280 So like reality

transurfing where you go, you are existing 764 00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:33.139 in this reality that you are looking to have in 765 00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:35.940 some dimension and you're just shifting into that dimension that 766 00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:36.780 you are having that. 767 00:43:37.239 --> 00:43:41.610 Bingo. That's literally the time sphere. That's perfect. Yes. Yes. Yes. 768 00:43:41.769 --> 00:43:46.750 That's it. Yep. So Chris talking to Will, then Chris, 769 00:43:46.869 --> 00:43:49.030 I don't know, going and looking out under the stars, 770 00:43:49.269 --> 00:43:51.679 that's already, if I can have that thought, that's already 771 00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:56.019 a potential that I can tap into. I experience it 772 00:43:56.119 --> 00:44:00.880 by moving my body, but that thought is already showing 773 00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:02.639 me that, hey, this is here in the field for 774 00:44:02.659 --> 00:44:07.780 you to experience now. You're not attracting it. You're just attuning, aligning, with. 775 00:44:09.130 --> 00:44:11.170 So then that's a lot that's a lot of like 776 00:44:11.190 --> 00:44:13.869 you have to you have to know it exists you 777 00:44:13.909 --> 00:44:15.889 have to know and so. 778 00:44:18.530 --> 00:44:22.639 So you so where does your subconscious play into this 779 00:44:22.739 --> 00:44:27.579 because you can you can think you know what it's. 780 00:44:27.400 --> 00:44:30.969 Like to have that question yeah that's the question so 781 00:44:31.010 --> 00:44:35.050 the subconscious is You can't trick yourself. That's the thing, right? 782 00:44:35.070 --> 00:44:39.210 You can't, you consider, that's why affirmations don't work. Affirmations, 783 00:44:41.130 --> 00:44:43.489 you can't trick yourself into it. So then you get 784 00:44:43.510 --> 00:44:46.809 into the ether physics principle of like your brainwaves, right? 785 00:44:47.489 --> 00:44:51.449 So most of us spend whatever percentage in beta brainwave, right? 786 00:44:51.949 --> 00:44:56.940 That's everyday conversation, but the transformation happens in alpha, theta, delta, 787 00:44:56.980 --> 00:44:58.539 and then gamma is like when you really get into 788 00:44:58.579 --> 00:45:03.210 deep meditation. So we have to become artful, right? at 789 00:45:03.429 --> 00:45:06.030 knowing how to change our brainwaves so that we reach 790 00:45:06.070 --> 00:45:09.920 those slower oscillating brainwaves where the information is. And that's 791 00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:14.199 the subconscious. Because now when I'm in deep meditation and 792 00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:18.320 then I start to think about wanting the experience, then 793 00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:21.860 that's when you really start the vortex, right? And that's 794 00:45:21.900 --> 00:45:24.059 where the magic happens. And that's where the subconscious can 795 00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:26.760 easily get programmed. That's, yeah, go ahead, Will. 796 00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:28.750 So then hypnosis is a good

tool for that. 797 00:45:28.769 --> 00:45:30.829 That's what I was going to say. Exactly. That's why- 798 00:45:31.300 --> 00:45:34.030 When people talk nice and slow, then you start to 799 00:45:34.070 --> 00:45:38.590 feel different. You're switching brainwaves. And that's where people can 800 00:45:38.610 --> 00:45:45.170 get programmed. And MKUltra is the nasty version of that. Right. Right. 801 00:45:45.849 --> 00:45:46.150 Okay. 802 00:45:46.929 --> 00:45:47.170 Cool. 803 00:45:47.429 --> 00:45:50.949 So you teach people. all this stuff, how to access it, 804 00:45:51.070 --> 00:45:53.909 how to, right? So how do you do that? Talk 805 00:45:53.929 --> 00:45:54.929 to us about your stuff. 806 00:45:55.179 --> 00:46:00.360 So besides the talks and the conferences, I have a website, eliran.org. 807 00:46:00.380 --> 00:46:01.739 The first thing people are going to see is the 808 00:46:01.780 --> 00:46:04.019 time sphere. And it kind of takes people through this 809 00:46:04.119 --> 00:46:07.989 interactive journey through the time sphere. And it actually maps 810 00:46:08.139 --> 00:46:11.989 out how to understand the concept a little bit better, 811 00:46:12.010 --> 00:46:16.909 a little bit more streamlined. You know, my Instagram, but 812 00:46:16.929 --> 00:46:20.639 then also, I have a school platform where I teach 813 00:46:20.659 --> 00:46:22.619 these kind of classes and, you know, I have different 814 00:46:22.639 --> 00:46:27.750 videos and specific things about time travel, teleportation, not from 815 00:46:27.829 --> 00:46:31.690 a woo-woo, you know, sci-fi, but from a, hey, here's 816 00:46:31.730 --> 00:46:33.949 the mechanics, here's the functions of what we need to 817 00:46:33.969 --> 00:46:36.730 understand as a people first before we can even really 818 00:46:36.769 --> 00:46:39.150 get into things like that. Right. 819 00:46:39.710 --> 00:46:42.190 Do you have an example you could share with us 820 00:46:42.469 --> 00:46:44.349 of maybe a student or someone that you've worked with 821 00:46:44.389 --> 00:46:48.880 that was actually able to really bring about a big 822 00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:49.880 change through this? 823 00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:53.840 Yeah. So I'm not gonna mention her name. Sometime last year, 824 00:46:53.860 --> 00:46:56.869 I did a class and one of my students, she 825 00:46:57.309 --> 00:46:59.570 went to the grocery store. She wanted, she came home 826 00:47:00.150 --> 00:47:03.050 and she was trying to unlock her door, but the door, 827 00:47:03.070 --> 00:47:05.869 it was locked. She couldn't find her key. She remembered 828 00:47:05.909 --> 00:47:08.869 the class and she just thought in her mind about 829 00:47:08.909 --> 00:47:10.829 the door being unlocked. I know it sounds so simple, 830 00:47:10.869 --> 00:47:12.510 but like this is real stuff. 831 00:47:13.110 --> 00:47:13.590 Sure. 832 00:47:14.150 --> 00:47:16.090 She thought about the door being unlocked. She said that 833 00:47:16.130 --> 00:47:19.360 she saw some kind of blue energy or something she 834 00:47:19.380 --> 00:47:21.320 put her hand on the door and then like the 835 00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:26.090 door it it it unlocked so that that was that's 836 00:47:26.150 --> 00:47:28.130 one example that that. 837 00:47:27.909 --> 00:47:33.739 Was tracy wasn't it no what yes tracy No, it 838 00:47:33.780 --> 00:47:34.860 was Daphne. Daphne? 839 00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:36.300 What are you talking about? 840 00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:36.659 Yeah. 841 00:47:37.179 --> 00:47:42.199 I'm just guessing to see if I can guess the name. 842 00:47:42.219 --> 00:47:44.920 What? He was floating around the time sphere there. 843 00:47:44.940 --> 00:47:46.119 He was floating around something. 844 00:47:46.179 --> 00:47:48.139 I'm with you, Will. I'm with you. 845 00:47:48.159 --> 00:47:49.559 I was smoking the ether. 846 00:47:49.619 --> 00:47:54.929 People have tried. They've definitely tried. That's a thing. You know, 847 00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:57.530 Native Americans, whenever they would do powwows and stuff, they 848 00:47:57.550 --> 00:48:00.429 were tapping into the ether. They were switching their brainwaves. 849 00:48:00.449 --> 00:48:03.150 They were getting into this hypnotic state. to bring in 850 00:48:03.190 --> 00:48:07.090 more information. Everything's about how much information you can attune to. 851 00:48:07.449 --> 00:48:08.969 Nothing's hidden. Nothing's hidden. 852 00:48:08.989 --> 00:48:11.940 Right, right. So then you also have this thing called 853 00:48:11.980 --> 00:48:18.679 an ether river generator. That sounds super techie woo-woo kind 854 00:48:18.719 --> 00:48:19.579 of coolness. 855 00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:21.699 What is that? So that's actually one of the more 856 00:48:21.900 --> 00:48:25.360 simple cosmic frequency technologies. So I have a series of 857 00:48:25.500 --> 00:48:29.230 technologies that I'm working on that are all ether-based. But 858 00:48:29.250 --> 00:48:32.760 the ether river generator is really about working with the 859 00:48:32.900 --> 00:48:37.980 ambient energy of a flowing river, creating a nodal structure 860 00:48:38.019 --> 00:48:42.280 that then can be picked up from another corresponding kind of, 861 00:48:43.320 --> 00:48:46.360 I should call it a tower or generator. And so 862 00:48:46.409 --> 00:48:49.179 now you're getting the energy of that river somewhere all 863 00:48:49.199 --> 00:48:51.309 the way over across like the world or something like that. 864 00:48:51.369 --> 00:48:55.610 So it just comes down to sympathetic frequency compatibility and resonance. 865 00:48:55.869 --> 00:48:59.469 So it's like a very small kind of like way 866 00:48:59.550 --> 00:49:04.860 to create ambient and positive atmospheres without needing all the 867 00:49:05.460 --> 00:49:08.480 dirty electricity and all the things like that. Oh, that's good. 868 00:49:08.780 --> 00:49:12.920 Oh, wow. So you mentioned events and talks and things 869

00:49:12.940 --> 00:49:14.269 like that. Do you have anything coming up? 870 00:49:14.769 --> 00:49:17.150 Yeah, I actually have. I'll be in San Diego in 871 00:49:17.349 --> 00:49:21.460 about a week at the Science of Consciousness conference. So yeah, 872 00:49:21.500 --> 00:49:24.199 I'll be talking about augmented universal intelligence, which is a 873 00:49:24.599 --> 00:49:30.159 cousin of AI. My understandings of how AI is not 874 00:49:30.219 --> 00:49:32.699 necessarily what we think, but also the question is like, 875 00:49:32.739 --> 00:49:34.750 can AI become conscious? And we get into all that, 876 00:49:34.809 --> 00:49:37.429 but also talk about ether physics and things like that. 877 00:49:37.730 --> 00:49:39.010 So yeah. Yeah. 878 00:49:39.059 --> 00:49:42.940 Interesting. I listened to, I think his name is Thomas Campbell, 879 00:49:43.059 --> 00:49:44.159 the guy, my big toe. 880 00:49:44.539 --> 00:49:44.780 Yeah. 881 00:49:45.340 --> 00:49:48.019 He was just talking about the fact that he, AI 882 00:49:48.059 --> 00:49:50.989 is already conscious. Like, I mean, it's a different type 883 00:49:51.010 --> 00:49:51.670 of consciousness. 884 00:49:51.949 --> 00:49:52.150 Yeah. 885 00:49:52.170 --> 00:49:55.630 Like our consciousness is different than a plant's consciousness. 886 00:49:55.829 --> 00:49:55.969 Right. 887 00:49:55.989 --> 00:49:57.449 Different than the dog's consciousness. 888 00:49:57.510 --> 00:49:57.730 Right. 889 00:49:57.789 --> 00:50:00.469 AI's consciousness is different. So we're not, we're looking for 890 00:50:00.510 --> 00:50:04.500 it in ways of, is it conscious the way we're conscious? 891 00:50:04.739 --> 00:50:05.039 Exactly. 892 00:50:05.059 --> 00:50:05.699 It's very different. 893 00:50:05.719 --> 00:50:08.460 Exactly. Exactly. And that brings us full circle to when 894 00:50:08.480 --> 00:50:12.739 you understand how consciousness becomes conscious, which is ether physics. 895 00:50:13.300 --> 00:50:16.019 That's why that's so important because now you can understand 896 00:50:16.500 --> 00:50:21.079 how these seemingly different systems actually connect, right? So how 897 00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:24.519 can a human consciousness and AI consciousness both be conscious? Well, 898 00:50:25.139 --> 00:50:28.110 what is consciousness to begin with, right? How does it 899 00:50:28.139 --> 00:50:31.070 come into form? And that's where the central hypothesis comes 900 00:50:31.150 --> 00:50:32.909 in and explains that whole thing. 901 00:50:35.050 --> 00:50:35.989 If someone wants to. 902 00:50:37.550 --> 00:50:40.159 Someone wants to really dive into this stuff and really 903 00:50:40.199 --> 00:50:42.519 wrap their heads around it. What's the best place for 904 00:50:42.539 --> 00:50:43.099 them to do that? 905 00:50:43.719 --> 00:50:46.739 I think initially probably Instagram. I have so much content 906 00:50:46.900 --> 00:50:52.349 on there, about 30,000 plus followers. And then more personally, 907 00:50:52.369 --> 00:50:58.130 head to my website at Elyrion, E-L-Y-R-I-O-N.org. That'd be the 908 00:50:58.329 --> 00:51:01.050 second best. Just for general, who is this guy? What 909 00:51:01.070 --> 00:51:03.610 does he do? And then, okay, this is interesting. Let's 910 00:51:03.659 --> 00:51:06.920 go over and actually look at some of the models. Right. Cool. 911 00:51:07.349 --> 00:51:09.309 So we're going to add direct links in our show 912 00:51:09.349 --> 00:51:11.340 notes for that. And if you are watching this as 913 00:51:11.380 --> 00:51:13.519 a listener, you would have seen a lower third pop 914 00:51:13.579 --> 00:51:15.199 up at that particular point in time so you can 915 00:51:15.300 --> 00:51:19.960 see where to access Chris. Chris, if there's anything that 916 00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:22.820 you want to make sure that the audience leaves the 917 00:51:22.860 --> 00:51:25.010 conversation with, what would that be? 918 00:51:25.829 --> 00:51:28.230 All of this stuff can seem really kind of big, 919 00:51:28.289 --> 00:51:32.809 but it's really not. We're already participating in the nature 920 00:51:32.829 --> 00:51:36.010 of reality all the time. All ether physics does is 921 00:51:36.090 --> 00:51:39.329 gives you a framework to make sense of that participation. 922 00:51:39.889 --> 00:51:42.710 That's all it does. And then the second thing would 923 00:51:42.750 --> 00:51:45.389 be to get out under the stars and see for yourself. 924 00:51:47.880 --> 00:51:51.019 Meditation is really good, sitting by water. My best teachers 925 00:51:51.059 --> 00:51:54.940 have been, you know, the sun, the stars, water, the trees. 926 00:51:55.980 --> 00:52:00.539 But really just to stay true to yourself, right? Things 927 00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:03.260 seem like they're getting worse, but they're actually shifting because 928 00:52:04.050 --> 00:52:05.650 In order for something to get better, it has to 929 00:52:05.690 --> 00:52:09.969 get worse to begin with. So stay true. 930 00:52:10.110 --> 00:52:10.989 Empty the model. 931 00:52:11.010 --> 00:52:13.500 The positive and the negative. 932 00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:14.659 Yeah. 933 00:52:14.760 --> 00:52:18.199 Cool. Well, Chris, this has been a fascinating conversation. I 934 00:52:18.920 --> 00:52:20.980 got to go way deeper. So I'm going to follow 935 00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:24.579 you on Instagram. Because I love these conversations. 936 00:52:24.800 --> 00:52:24.920 Yeah. 937 00:52:25.690 --> 00:52:28.110 To your point, the amount of time that we have, 938 00:52:28.150 --> 00:52:29.570 it's just never enough. 939 00:52:29.650 --> 00:52:32.699 I already feel like my head's gotten bigger, like expanding. 940 00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:33.900 My headphones are tight. 941 00:52:35.360 --> 00:52:38.639 Your synapses will literally start to fire with this information, 942 00:52:38.679 --> 00:52:40.820 but that's what it's supposed to do. That's how we 943 00:52:40.840 --> 00:52:44.170 move things forward, right? So it's like you don't understand 944 00:52:44.190 --> 00:52:49.960 it intellectually, consciously, but subconsciously your brain's already creating the connections. Cool. 945 00:52:50.199 --> 00:52:53.340 Yeah. Well, I look forward to a future conversation once 946 00:52:53.380 --> 00:52:54.380 we understand what we're talking about. 947 00:52:56.639 --> 00:52:59.320 Thank you, guys. I appreciate you. Yeah. I hope it 948 00:52:59.380 --> 00:53:04.159 wasn't too dense, but it'll sink in. No, no. It 949 00:53:04.179 --> 00:53:04.780 was great. 950 00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:06.840 It was great. It was fascinating. I just want to 951 00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:08.840 talk to you a lot more, and that's the problem. 952 00:53:09.110 --> 00:53:11.690 I know. I know. Definitely. I'm here for it. Yeah. 953 00:53:11.989 --> 00:53:12.250 All right. 954 00:53:12.429 --> 00:53:13.730 Well, it was a pleasure meeting you. Thank you so 955 00:53:13.750 --> 00:53:15.190 much for coming on the show. Really appreciate you. 956 00:53:15.269 --> 00:53:16.690 Thank you both. Thanks, Will. Thanks, Karen. 957 00:53:17.010 --> 00:53:17.409 Thank you. 958 00:53:17.429 --> 00:53:18.449 Thank you.