Beyond Cognitive Rigidity | Scott and LaRae Wright's Journey to Authentic Connection revisited ၏ စာသားမှတ်တမ်းအပြည့်အစုံ

other 76 00:04:28.019 --> 00:04:30.959 what our lives are up to, what we're doing. Interestingly, 77 00:04:33.490 --> 00:04:37.550 you and I have retired officially. I'm still working, but 78 00:04:38.310 --> 00:04:44.149 we've retired. And Nick has retired. So Jackie was the 79 00:04:44.189 --> 00:04:48.810 only one among us that hasn't. And she's definitely exploring that. 80 00:04:49.470 --> 00:04:52.910 She's getting to that age. But it's so interesting how 81 00:04:54.589 --> 00:04:56.050 what we focus on shifts. 82 00:04:57.220 --> 00:04:59.300 Yeah, as you get closer to retirement. 83 00:04:59.980 --> 00:05:03.579 And you become much more aware and comfortable with where 84 00:05:03.620 --> 00:05:06.709 you are in life, the chapter that you're entering. And 85 00:05:06.769 --> 00:05:10.110 then as we went around and saw Darlene's children, the 86 00:05:10.170 --> 00:05:15.490 ones that live locally, and visited their homes, for me especially, 87 00:05:15.569 --> 00:05:17.879 since you and I don't have children living with us, 88 00:05:18.509 --> 00:05:22.040 and your children are grown, we see them on occasion 89 00:05:23.060 --> 00:05:26.759 to do things with, but we don't have a day-to-day 90 00:05:26.819 --> 00:05:36.019 reminder of time passing. So we sometimes go, was it 2017, 16, 18, 20? 91 00:05:36.019 --> 00:05:39.019 A year of COVID is like a warp year. But 92 00:05:39.730 --> 00:05:43.310 with them, every year is defined because they have children 93 00:05:44.089 --> 00:05:48.870 and they're coming to another age and the events in 94 00:05:48.910 --> 00:05:49.990 their lives are changing. 95 00:05:50.310 --> 00:05:54.759 Not just children, a lot. Because it's children and grandchildren. 96 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:55.920 They all live really close. 97 00:05:55.939 --> 00:05:57.240 And now they have great-grandchildren. 98 00:05:57.279 --> 00:05:57.879 Great-grandchildren. 99 00:05:57.939 --> 00:06:02.930 And so that definition of their lives makes it much 100 00:06:02.970 --> 00:06:04.730 more noticeable, the passing of time. 101 00:06:05.149 --> 00:06:06.670 And I don't think I had as much of an 102 00:06:06.709 --> 00:06:11.310 appreciation for that with them as I do now. Because, 103 00:06:11.350 --> 00:06:13.769 I mean, someone was always there. Right. 104 00:06:13.790 --> 00:06:18.480 They have several grandchildren living with them. Like I said, 105 00:06:18.519 --> 00:06:20.480 when we went and saw the children that lived near them, 106 00:06:21.019 --> 00:06:23.459 their lives are busy and we saw all the children. 107 00:06:23.500 --> 00:06:25.980 And again, because it was a, such a small group 108 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:29.519 of us, the interaction then with their children and grandchildren 109 00:06:29.560 --> 00:06:32.889 was much greater because you can't just kind of blend 110 00:06:32.930 --> 00:06:36.250 into the background. You know, you're the one engaging. And 111 00:06:36.350 --> 00:06:39.910 so the, it was really beautiful. It was meaningful conversation 112 00:06:39.930 --> 00:06:41.949 and it has made. 113 00:06:41.930 --> 00:06:45.810 Me conversations with a lot of her grandkids. Right. And so, 114 00:06:46.050 --> 00:06:48.410 you know, I got to interact with them more and 115 00:06:48.470 --> 00:06:51.339 see them more and, experienced them and the dynamics of 116 00:06:51.379 --> 00:06:52.279 their families. 117 00:06:52.420 --> 00:06:55.339 Right, especially the two that were living with them. So 118 00:06:57.220 --> 00:06:59.160 it has prompted me to really think of all my 119 00:06:59.199 --> 00:07:02.550 siblings and their children and just ask myself, you know, 120 00:07:04.089 --> 00:07:07.769 what kind of meaningful interactions. It's similar to the experience 121 00:07:07.810 --> 00:07:09.550 we had when we went with Jackie and Nick on 122 00:07:09.569 --> 00:07:13.300 the cruise earlier this year. And we had such a 123 00:07:13.680 --> 00:07:17.079 more intimate experience with all of her children and grandchildren. 124 00:07:17.100 --> 00:07:17.180 Yeah. 125 00:07:17.740 --> 00:07:21.069 And really got to know Tice and Landon and Boston 126 00:07:21.089 --> 00:07:24.389 and experience them on a day-to-day basis. 127 00:07:24.769 --> 00:07:25.550 Yeah, that was fun. 128 00:07:26.110 --> 00:07:29.230 So I think there's something to be said about that. 129 00:07:29.910 --> 00:07:31.860 Well, we kind of went down this road just to 130 00:07:31.889 --> 00:07:32.519 start off. 131 00:07:33.180 --> 00:07:35.500 But it's not what we wanted to talk about. It's 132 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:36.639 not where we want to go. 133 00:07:36.660 --> 00:07:39.060 So we're just catching you up on our lives and 134 00:07:39.100 --> 00:07:41.519 where we've been and some of the things we've been 135 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:47.050 up to. And as we continue the podcast, we're looking 136 00:07:47.110 --> 00:07:51.930 to when Ray and I get together and talk about something, 137 00:07:52.149 --> 00:07:54.850 sometimes it's just things as we're going through life that 138 00:07:54.949 --> 00:07:59.750 pop up. And today was one of those things. I'd 139 00:07:59.790 --> 00:08:03.649 had an experience with sharing some information with someone. And 140 00:08:04.050 --> 00:08:09.689 the response that I got back was one of less 141 00:08:09.730 --> 00:08:15.629 than acceptance. And I wasn't expecting it to be accepted. 142 00:08:16.379 --> 00:08:18.470 I wasn't expecting it to be seen from my point 143 00:08:18.490 --> 00:08:21.230 of view at all. But it was a really neutral 144 00:08:21.269 --> 00:08:23.149 topic that we were talking about. 145 00:08:23.269 --> 00:08:26.089 Well, and you didn't really share anything from your perspective. 146 00:08:26.129 --> 00:08:28.730 You just shared something. A podcast. A podcast we had 147 00:08:28.769 --> 00:08:31.610 listened to this morning that we found interesting. 148 00:08:31.629 --> 00:08:36.049 And let's mention what

it was. It was Mel Robbins' podcast. Right. 149 00:08:36.090 --> 00:08:38.340 And her guest was Dr. Todd Rose. 150 00:08:38.539 --> 00:08:39.220 Dr. Todd Rose. 151 00:08:39.419 --> 00:08:43.139 And he's written a great book that is getting a 152 00:08:43.159 --> 00:08:47.210 lot of buzz about conformity and compliance and And it 153 00:08:47.250 --> 00:08:55.210 really prompts the discussion about authenticity and the collective illusion, 154 00:08:55.429 --> 00:08:58.450 if you would, of what is real and what is 155 00:08:59.379 --> 00:09:03.500 really created by the collective, whatever that collective is. 156 00:09:03.799 --> 00:09:08.259 Because we're so connected now with our devices and the internet, 157 00:09:08.340 --> 00:09:11.500 and especially social media, which is what he talks about 158 00:09:11.519 --> 00:09:13.879 the most. I'd recommend everyone go listen to it. We're 159 00:09:13.899 --> 00:09:16.200 not going to rehash the, podcast it was a great 160 00:09:16.220 --> 00:09:20.009 podcast though but um as he's talking about those things 161 00:09:20.070 --> 00:09:23.110 it shows the influence of how you know we as 162 00:09:23.490 --> 00:09:25.669 we get this hive mind kind of thing going on 163 00:09:25.690 --> 00:09:28.289 and we think that everyone's thinking a certain way when 164 00:09:28.309 --> 00:09:31.399 the reality is is the vast majority of people are 165 00:09:31.500 --> 00:09:34.720 not thinking that way but social media leans toward. 166 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:36.940 That right so his study because he has a think 167 00:09:36.960 --> 00:09:41.639 tank called populace and his study has shown that we 168 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:44.559 are more similar than we are different yes And while 169 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:50.490 we may be feeling very divided, that when asked questions individually, 170 00:09:51.529 --> 00:09:56.769 we still have at our core very strong similarities in 171 00:09:56.809 --> 00:10:00.360 what we believe, in what we hold as meaningful. and 172 00:10:00.399 --> 00:10:03.600 important in our lives and so from that standpoint it 173 00:10:03.639 --> 00:10:07.759 was very inspiring to think that while when we watch 174 00:10:07.799 --> 00:10:10.470 the news or we engage in social media we start 175 00:10:10.490 --> 00:10:16.129 to feel very divided that perhaps at our core what 176 00:10:16.409 --> 00:10:19.370 what we really think in private is And what we 177 00:10:19.490 --> 00:10:23.549 want in our lives is more similar. 178 00:10:23.750 --> 00:10:27.379 Right. One of the statistics that he shared on the 179 00:10:27.419 --> 00:10:33.980 podcast was that with social media, that 10% of the 180 00:10:34.019 --> 00:10:38.159 people on social media share 80% of the content that 181 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:41.629 exists out there. And so 10% of the people who 182 00:10:41.669 --> 00:10:45.070 are sharing all the content, it's leaning toward whatever direction 183 00:10:45.110 --> 00:10:49.110 they want things from their own personal point of view, 184 00:10:49.129 --> 00:10:53.309 it to be. And so our perspective is we're witnessing that. 185 00:10:53.309 --> 00:10:59.059 80% of the content that we're witnessing, seeing, and experiencing 186 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:04.759 is coming from a very, very small percentage, 10% of 187 00:11:05.139 --> 00:11:06.120 the people who are on it. 188 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:11.639 And then what that leads to is the choice to self-silence. 189 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:19.470 Yeah. Because we become... what the 80% are feeling, and 190 00:11:19.529 --> 00:11:20.690 that's just not true. 191 00:11:21.070 --> 00:11:26.509 Right, because we become convinced or we have a perspective 192 00:11:27.190 --> 00:11:30.090 that that 10% is the majority. 193 00:11:30.269 --> 00:11:30.490 Right. 194 00:11:32.269 --> 00:11:36.440 And so with your engagement, you had someone that came 195 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:37.519 back very strongly. 196 00:11:37.700 --> 00:11:37.980 Yes. 197 00:11:38.259 --> 00:11:40.879 And you could have believed that that was the populist 198 00:11:41.500 --> 00:11:42.700 opinion of everyone. 199 00:11:44.139 --> 00:11:48.960 But it's a very... uh, closed perspective of what it, 200 00:11:49.149 --> 00:11:51.389 what it's all about. And it doesn't mean that that's 201 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:55.259 right or wrong. It just wasn't open. And so I 202 00:11:55.299 --> 00:12:00.019 was like, Hmm, when, when I, when someone is, what 203 00:12:00.039 --> 00:12:02.899 I wanted to know, and I decided to send this through, uh, 204 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:07.039 a Google search, actually it was a chat GPT search 205 00:12:07.960 --> 00:12:12.080 that when, when someone is unwilling to hear the opinion 206 00:12:12.100 --> 00:12:16.309 of someone else and they come from a place of, uh, 207 00:12:17.210 --> 00:12:18.769 needing to be right. 208 00:12:19.230 --> 00:12:19.990 Or to defend. 209 00:12:20.070 --> 00:12:23.929 Or to defend. What are the reasons for that? And 210 00:12:24.169 --> 00:12:26.870 it came back and said, you know, people are this 211 00:12:26.909 --> 00:12:30.029 and people are that. They can be dogmatic was one 212 00:12:30.049 --> 00:12:30.850 of the words that they used. 213 00:12:30.870 --> 00:12:31.389 Closed-minded. 214 00:12:31.409 --> 00:12:35.909 Closed-minded. And they may not feel safe outside of that 215 00:12:36.070 --> 00:12:39.690 paradigm and all those things I understand. And then I said, 216 00:12:39.769 --> 00:12:43.149 is there a word that describes it? Besides dogmatic is 217 00:12:43.210 --> 00:12:46.269 another one. But dogmatic is kind of, you know, attached 218 00:12:46.340 --> 00:12:49.419 to religion, it seems, in my opinion, it feels to 219 00:12:49.460 --> 00:12:52.059 me like it's attached to more of a religious way 220 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:53.720 of seeing and thinking. Right. 221 00:12:53.740 --> 00:12:56.740 So you asked it, is there a psychological word? A

222 00:12:56.759 --> 00:12:59.080 psychological term. A word that's more around the psyche. 223 00:12:59.379 --> 00:13:03.110 Right. And it gave me this one. And it was 224 00:13:03.850 --> 00:13:11.590 cognitive rigidity. And I was like, whoa. I've never heard that. 225 00:13:11.610 --> 00:13:16.220 I'm sure it's been out there. But cognitive rigidity. So 226 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:21.740 in other words, the thinking, cognitive, cognition, is a very 227 00:13:21.960 --> 00:13:24.100 rigid way of seeing things, and it has to be 228 00:13:24.139 --> 00:13:28.419 seen through a certain lens. So I started to think 229 00:13:29.029 --> 00:13:33.070 to myself, what ways do I have some cognitive rigidity 230 00:13:33.110 --> 00:13:35.769 in my life? Does that manifest for me in my life? 231 00:13:35.830 --> 00:13:38.250 Does it manifest for you in your life? How do 232 00:13:38.269 --> 00:13:39.090 you feel about that? 233 00:13:39.570 --> 00:13:42.620 Well, I immediately, when you said that, I immediately thought 234 00:13:42.740 --> 00:13:47.039 of the work that I do with corporations. And companies, 235 00:13:47.450 --> 00:13:51.169 and even with entrepreneurs, when they start to initiate change, 236 00:13:52.409 --> 00:13:55.990 and people who struggle with change, they really want things 237 00:13:56.110 --> 00:13:59.809 to be very predictable. They want to believe that it 238 00:13:59.850 --> 00:14:03.720 can always stay this way, that my work stays this way, 239 00:14:03.929 --> 00:14:06.720 the way I come to work stays this way, the 240 00:14:06.759 --> 00:14:10.220 way I do my work, the people I work with, 241 00:14:10.500 --> 00:14:14.039 everything stays the same because I then, I can predict it, 242 00:14:14.360 --> 00:14:16.929 and I know what that's like. And so as soon 243 00:14:17.049 --> 00:14:23.110 as change starts to happen, then people become very rigid. 244 00:14:23.809 --> 00:14:27.100 They start grasping and wanting to hold on to what's 245 00:14:27.149 --> 00:14:33.659 familiar because of their own resistance to change. And I 246 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:36.879 think that's very common with a lot of people. 247 00:14:36.940 --> 00:14:38.639 That's what I was going to say. I think it's 248 00:14:38.679 --> 00:14:43.440 really an innate human nature to want to feel safe, 249 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:47.370 to want to feel safe. that things are predictable. It 250 00:14:47.389 --> 00:14:50.289 doesn't feel safe that things aren't predictable sometimes until you 251 00:14:50.340 --> 00:14:54.820 get willing to accept things as they are. However they 252 00:14:54.940 --> 00:15:00.039 are doesn't matter. But even then, it's like you still 253 00:15:00.100 --> 00:15:03.120 are going to be disappointed sometimes. Right. 254 00:15:03.179 --> 00:15:06.960 And I think that goes back to, you know, all 255 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:09.679 the way back as to our childhood. You know, we've 256 00:15:09.730 --> 00:15:13.090 met people who lived in one place, grew up with 257 00:15:13.250 --> 00:15:17.120 family and neighbors and That circle didn't change very much. 258 00:15:17.159 --> 00:15:20.980 It didn't have a lot of movement in it. And 259 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:25.139 it didn't have a lot of exposure to other beliefs 260 00:15:25.200 --> 00:15:29.259 or peoples. And with that, then people grow up with 261 00:15:29.299 --> 00:15:32.980 a certain perspective or frame that they live in. Then 262 00:15:33.019 --> 00:15:36.220 you have other people, like a military family, for example, 263 00:15:36.779 --> 00:15:39.759 that changes the norm. And children have to make new 264 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:42.759 friends almost every year that they go to school. And 265 00:15:42.799 --> 00:15:47.470 they're not seen... the same faces, the same relatives. And 266 00:15:47.549 --> 00:15:50.259 so their world is defined by a very different frame, 267 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:54.519 and they become more accustomed to change. And change isn't 268 00:15:54.720 --> 00:15:58.299 as challenging. It could have challenges for other reasons, but 269 00:15:58.340 --> 00:16:01.750 it is more common in their life than what perhaps 270 00:16:02.049 --> 00:16:06.289 the first example that I gave. So I immediately thought about, wow, 271 00:16:06.330 --> 00:16:10.230 that's just really interesting. This feels like, at the core. 272 00:16:11.889 --> 00:16:17.889 Change, change management, our inability or our comfort level with change. 273 00:16:17.950 --> 00:16:21.269 Yeah. And I think, you know, the fact that the 274 00:16:21.340 --> 00:16:24.759 reason that I became so curious about it was it's 275 00:16:24.860 --> 00:16:27.580 like this message that we sent out on this podcast 276 00:16:27.620 --> 00:16:34.259 was super neutral, right? It's very much just kind of 277 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:37.330 observing what humanity is doing. It's not trying to make 278 00:16:37.370 --> 00:16:40.509 a case for anything or be right about anything. But 279 00:16:40.549 --> 00:16:43.769 it is talking about how important it is to be authentic. 280 00:16:44.950 --> 00:16:46.610 And the person that I had shared it with took 281 00:16:46.669 --> 00:16:51.750 that word authentic, and every time they mentioned something about it, 282 00:16:51.769 --> 00:16:56.799 they said just authenticity. If it's just authenticity and it's 283 00:16:56.860 --> 00:16:59.419 not this, some other truth that they were attached to, 284 00:17:00.379 --> 00:17:03.940 then it was kind of discounting what being authentic was. 285 00:17:04.740 --> 00:17:09.190 And why that is, I'm not sure. I'm sure this 286 00:17:09.450 --> 00:17:15.509 person has their reasons for that. But it's being afraid 287 00:17:15.589 --> 00:17:21.029 of being authentic, being afraid of being yourself, being afraid 288 00:17:21.089 --> 00:17:25.859 of being who you feel that you are within you. 289 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:29.759 I mean, that's one of the main broad topics that 290

00:17:29.799 --> 00:17:32.859 we're discussing constantly in this day and age right now. 291 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:37.750 Right, and... you know, it's one of those examples of 292 00:17:37.829 --> 00:17:41.630 words matter. And so maybe understanding what authenticity means to 293 00:17:41.670 --> 00:17:44.869 that person, it would be a really good question to ask. 294 00:17:45.609 --> 00:17:49.230 Because in the podcast, it defined it very broadly that 295 00:17:49.380 --> 00:17:54.220 authenticity is showing up as who you are in that moment. 296 00:17:54.299 --> 00:17:58.619 It is very much about the present moment. So for example, 297 00:17:59.220 --> 00:18:04.539 if I grew up one way and I have changed 298 00:18:04.700 --> 00:18:08.440 or I don't prescribe to something, but I show up 299 00:18:08.480 --> 00:18:14.240 and pretend to be still that way. I'm not being authentic. 300 00:18:14.619 --> 00:18:18.099 They started off with a great example of Mel who 301 00:18:18.160 --> 00:18:20.839 said that for health reasons, she has really cut back 302 00:18:20.900 --> 00:18:23.660 on alcohol. And so she went to dinner and she was, 303 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:26.769 you know, before she went in, she was thinking, you know, 304 00:18:26.789 --> 00:18:29.789 I don't want to have any alcohol tonight. But as 305 00:18:29.849 --> 00:18:32.789 soon as someone asked her, oh, do you want to 306 00:18:32.829 --> 00:18:35.769 have a drink? She kind of caved and said, sure, 307 00:18:36.210 --> 00:18:40.609 and then wondered why she couldn't stay in that belief 308 00:18:40.809 --> 00:18:44.130 of like, oh, why didn't I just say that, you know, 309 00:18:44.569 --> 00:18:47.400 I'm not drinking right now. I've decided to cut back. 310 00:18:47.759 --> 00:18:51.299 Whatever would have been the right answer. But she conformed. 311 00:18:52.039 --> 00:18:53.700 Meaning a social norm or whatever reason. 312 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:56.039 Right, being a social norm or, you know, just not wanting, 313 00:18:56.319 --> 00:18:57.680 and we do it for a lot of reasons. We 314 00:18:57.700 --> 00:18:59.819 don't want someone else to feel bad. We don't want 315 00:18:59.880 --> 00:19:02.599 them to think, you know, whether it's drinking or it's, 316 00:19:02.839 --> 00:19:08.609 you know, paying the bill or, you know, giving, you know, anything. 317 00:19:09.140 --> 00:19:12.589 You know, if you think about your life, there's almost 318 00:19:12.670 --> 00:19:16.230 daily we come across things that we think, oh, I 319 00:19:16.269 --> 00:19:18.589 just gave in and did that, even though I either 320 00:19:18.609 --> 00:19:21.039 didn't want to or I don't believe in it. but 321 00:19:21.140 --> 00:19:23.720 it's just kind of keeping the peace, right? Not stirring 322 00:19:23.759 --> 00:19:28.539 the pot. And this podcast really talked about the importance 323 00:19:28.599 --> 00:19:33.059 of authenticity because it brings us to our present self 324 00:19:33.420 --> 00:19:35.359 all the time with one another. 325 00:19:35.380 --> 00:19:42.789 Right. So going back again to cognitive rigidity, I was 326 00:19:42.829 --> 00:19:45.410 trying to see where are the places in my life 327 00:19:45.450 --> 00:19:51.180 where I am resistant? I have cognitive rigidity or less 328 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:54.079 of a willingness to change and my views about things 329 00:19:54.160 --> 00:19:57.980 and it's it's I've talked about this on other podcasts 330 00:19:58.019 --> 00:20:01.130 about not making the thing the thing in whatever way 331 00:20:01.190 --> 00:20:04.589 that that comes up each person has things that they're 332 00:20:04.609 --> 00:20:07.470 drawn to and things that that tend to resonate with 333 00:20:07.509 --> 00:20:10.750 them and that may be your religion or It may 334 00:20:10.809 --> 00:20:14.089 be your way of seeing the world. It may be 335 00:20:15.089 --> 00:20:20.109 things that you think about your political party. Lots of 336 00:20:20.190 --> 00:20:24.390 different ways for us to see that and become cognitively 337 00:20:24.549 --> 00:20:28.109 rigid about the way we see things because we feel 338 00:20:28.170 --> 00:20:31.029 like that's the direction that things need to go. And 339 00:20:31.430 --> 00:20:34.390 I think that's okay as long as you feel like 340 00:20:34.430 --> 00:20:36.950 that's the way things need to go for you and 341 00:20:36.990 --> 00:20:40.200 not everyone. That's when we start to run into problems 342 00:20:40.220 --> 00:20:41.960 is when you think that that's the way it needs 343 00:20:42.000 --> 00:20:44.059 to go for everyone. Right. 344 00:20:44.619 --> 00:20:46.880 Well, and it was even small things this weekend with 345 00:20:46.920 --> 00:20:51.039 my siblings. I was showing, my sister had asked if 346 00:20:51.099 --> 00:20:54.460 I would make sourdough bread for the, she was the 347 00:20:54.509 --> 00:20:57.609 only one that didn't make it. And so I said, sure. 348 00:20:57.630 --> 00:21:01.230 And I had my recipe and I was interacting with 349 00:21:01.269 --> 00:21:04.869 Jackie because she makes sourdough bread. You had your start. 350 00:21:05.539 --> 00:21:08.420 I had my starter and my scale. And so I'm 351 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:10.529 explaining it all based on the rules. 352 00:21:10.769 --> 00:21:11.450 Soup and bread. 353 00:21:11.750 --> 00:21:14.569 You know, soup and bread. But I'm still explaining it 354 00:21:14.609 --> 00:21:17.710 based on this many grams and this and that. And 355 00:21:18.250 --> 00:21:20.170 I said, you know, Jackie, is this similar to what 356 00:21:20.230 --> 00:21:24.589 you do? And her answer was very different. She said, oh, 357 00:21:24.730 --> 00:21:26.309 I just kind of eyeball it. 358 00:21:26.630 --> 00:21:27.990 Yeah. It was great. 359 00:21:28.430 --> 00:21:31.799 And my sister said, oh, you know, kind of how 360 00:21:31.839 --> 00:21:34.779 do you do that? Because it was becoming a little overwhelming. 361

00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:34.880 Yeah. 362 00:21:35.529 --> 00:21:38.849 For my older sister to have like the scale and 363 00:21:39.430 --> 00:21:41.839 kind of my rules approach to it. And she's like, oh, 364 00:21:41.880 --> 00:21:42.910 I don't know if I'm going to be able to 365 00:21:42.970 --> 00:21:46.720 do this. And then to have this really other extreme 366 00:21:46.819 --> 00:21:49.079 end of it where my sister Jackie said, yeah, I 367 00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:50.359 make it all the time and I just kind of 368 00:21:50.380 --> 00:21:54.420 eyeball it. And so now the truth, it lies somewhere 369 00:21:54.859 --> 00:22:01.289 between me and my recipe and Jackie and her ability 370 00:22:01.329 --> 00:22:03.690 to eyeball it. And both of us make bread that 371 00:22:03.730 --> 00:22:08.299 turn out Amazing and beautiful. So the result is not different. 372 00:22:08.460 --> 00:22:11.880 It's the way we're approaching it. And I started to 373 00:22:12.009 --> 00:22:18.829 notice that I needed permission to step away from the recipe. 374 00:22:20.769 --> 00:22:22.349 Step away from the recipe. 375 00:22:22.410 --> 00:22:25.990 I love that. And so that's cognitive rigidity, right? 376 00:22:26.009 --> 00:22:26.529 Absolutely. 377 00:22:26.549 --> 00:22:29.829 Because here I am believing that the only way I 378 00:22:29.890 --> 00:22:34.369 can have it turn out right is is by following 379 00:22:34.410 --> 00:22:38.410 the recipe. But yet here's another living example of someone 380 00:22:38.430 --> 00:22:41.670 who eyeballs it and it turns out right all the time. 381 00:22:42.490 --> 00:22:46.069 So the approach is not, both approaches work. 382 00:22:47.430 --> 00:22:53.420 I'm just having an epiphany again. You know, as you're talking, 383 00:22:53.460 --> 00:22:55.740 I'm just sitting here and I'm like, well, this is 384 00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:59.220 what happens to me in music because there are a 385 00:22:59.240 --> 00:23:02.259 lot of people who are, in that rigid space of 386 00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:04.200 how they play music and how it shows up and 387 00:23:04.240 --> 00:23:06.059 it needs to be this and it needs to be perfect. 388 00:23:06.519 --> 00:23:08.759 And I'm pretty much the polar opposite of that. 389 00:23:09.579 --> 00:23:12.539 Well, you know, and it doesn't make anyone wrong. What 390 00:23:12.599 --> 00:23:15.519 happened is that kind of kept being the theme. We 391 00:23:15.559 --> 00:23:19.039 then talked about going through things, you know, like, okay, 392 00:23:19.420 --> 00:23:24.200 we're all trying to downsize, downscale, clean out closets and garages. 393 00:23:24.839 --> 00:23:28.740 And so we were talking about the need to go 394 00:23:28.779 --> 00:23:32.460 through things. before things are donated or given away or 395 00:23:32.480 --> 00:23:38.470 thrown away. And there was another theme there. And I said, 396 00:23:38.670 --> 00:23:42.630 I have a really hard time. Things that are still 397 00:23:42.670 -->

00:23:46.470 very useful, I have a super hard time giving them 398 00:23:46.509 --> 00:23:50.269 away without first checking with everyone else in my family 399 00:23:50.289 --> 00:23:55.099 to see if someone in the family needs it. And 400 00:23:56.500 --> 00:24:00.160 that puts a lot of pressure on me to do that. Because, 401 00:24:00.759 --> 00:24:04.640 you know, I, it takes coordination, it takes effort, if 402 00:24:04.680 --> 00:24:07.009 people aren't getting back to me, and I need to 403 00:24:07.049 --> 00:24:09.569 get it done. And I said, I just really need 404 00:24:09.609 --> 00:24:12.730 permission to say, if anyone in the family needed anything, 405 00:24:12.750 --> 00:24:15.230 that let me know. And I can just give this 406 00:24:15.269 --> 00:24:19.930 stuff away. But again, there was that permission thing. And 407 00:24:20.359 --> 00:24:24.279 my sister Jackie had the same thing. She said, you know, 408 00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:26.460 it's hard for her to give things away. She wants 409 00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:28.240 to give it to someone she knows is going to 410 00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:31.089 use it and care for it. And even though she 411 00:24:31.119 --> 00:24:34.970 doesn't use it still. So it was really fascinating. And again, 412 00:24:35.109 --> 00:24:37.470 all of this is, all of these are examples of 413 00:24:37.529 --> 00:24:41.009 that cognitive rigidity, right? Yeah. That we're rigid in the 414 00:24:41.049 --> 00:24:44.609 way we're thinking, which is limiting us. And it's also 415 00:24:44.650 --> 00:24:48.869 bringing pain to us. Now it's not pain like torture 416 00:24:48.950 --> 00:24:53.619 or trauma, but it, it limits just how easy we 417 00:24:53.660 --> 00:24:55.700 move through the world on a day to day basis. 418 00:24:56.660 --> 00:24:59.609 You know what I found fascinating is that, um, You 419 00:24:59.730 --> 00:25:03.289 and Jackie, your sister Jackie, are both kind of in 420 00:25:03.329 --> 00:25:06.190 that same place where you want to be able to 421 00:25:06.230 --> 00:25:09.190 go through everything before you give it all away. And 422 00:25:09.269 --> 00:25:11.670 her husband, Nick, and I are in the same place 423 00:25:11.710 --> 00:25:14.130 where we're ready to back a truck up, put everything 424 00:25:14.190 --> 00:25:15.210 in it, and take it away. 425 00:25:15.230 --> 00:25:20.349 But there could be one thing that is meaningful. 426 00:25:21.150 --> 00:25:26.029 I understand the reasoning. But then there's Delene and Sid, Delene, 427 00:25:26.069 --> 00:25:29.650 your sister, who she's with. Me and Nick on that. 428 00:25:29.890 --> 00:25:30.109 Right. 429 00:25:30.410 --> 00:25:33.130 And Sid is the other one. Now Sid is the 430 00:25:33.210 --> 00:25:35.190 one that's doing it like you. He wants to go 431 00:25:35.210 --> 00:25:35.900 through everything. Right. 432 00:25:35.960 --> 00:25:37.559 He doesn't want to lose a treasure. 433 00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:41.119 Right. So this isn't necessarily a family thing. No. It 434 00:25:41.160 --> 00:25:44.019 was a learned behavior that all your sisters are this way. 435 00:25:44.299 --> 00:25:44.599 Right. 436 00:25:45.019 --> 00:25:48.650 And your brother. But it's each individual sees it that way. 437 00:25:48.670 --> 00:25:52.109 And it's interesting because it seems to be one or 438 00:25:52.150 --> 00:25:52.490 the other. 439 00:25:53.029 --> 00:25:56.809 So coming full circle then is, It has nothing to 440 00:25:56.869 --> 00:26:06.839 do with how we live our lives, our belief structure. 441 00:26:07.039 --> 00:26:09.099 It's more the way you show up, right? 442 00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:09.480 Right. 443 00:26:09.680 --> 00:26:12.099 And so for us showing up in our daily lives, 444 00:26:12.140 --> 00:26:15.589 daily chores, daily tasks, or how you show up in music, 445 00:26:15.650 --> 00:26:22.150 like you said. So that cognitive rigidity can really prevent 446 00:26:22.190 --> 00:26:27.980 you from showing up And experiencing more joy. Openness. Openness, 447 00:26:28.180 --> 00:26:31.740 receptivity to others, curiosity to others. 448 00:26:32.079 --> 00:26:32.400 Joy. 449 00:26:32.420 --> 00:26:35.839 Yeah, I said that from the beginning, right? Joy. And 450 00:26:35.880 --> 00:26:37.609 just what does that mean? 451 00:26:37.619 --> 00:26:41.630 Being okay with it not showing up the way you 452 00:26:41.670 --> 00:26:42.349 expect it to. 453 00:26:42.809 --> 00:26:46.089 Right, because when I was making the sourdough bread, and 454 00:26:46.369 --> 00:26:48.190 Jackie was like, well, just put a little more water 455 00:26:48.250 --> 00:26:54.079 in it. My hands almost started to shake. To imagine, 456 00:26:54.220 --> 00:26:57.799 because I thought, what if I ruin the starter and 457 00:26:57.859 --> 00:27:01.009 then we ruin the bread and we're having this expectation 458 00:27:01.049 --> 00:27:02.289 of bread with soup for dinner? 459 00:27:02.529 --> 00:27:02.730 Right. 460 00:27:03.349 --> 00:27:06.849 And so all of that had like a downward... The story, 461 00:27:07.170 --> 00:27:10.470 the spiral. A downward impact, right? So now think of something, 462 00:27:10.490 --> 00:27:15.789 here's a person in life that has that downward spiral about, well, 463 00:27:15.829 --> 00:27:18.390 this is why I do this so that at the 464 00:27:18.450 --> 00:27:21.190 end of my life, I have this. And then that 465 00:27:21.230 --> 00:27:24.190 guarantees this or that or this. So we all have 466 00:27:24.230 --> 00:27:29.269 that sort of downstream impact in our lives if what 467 00:27:29.309 --> 00:27:33.509 I'm doing right now doesn't stay as I want it to. 468 00:27:35.150 --> 00:27:38.359 And I think that's the unknown. And that's the degree 469 00:27:38.390 --> 00:27:44.039 of safety that comes in our story that we say 470 00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:46.700 this is life. And then when change comes, all of 471 00:27:46.759 --> 00:27:50.869 that starts to become That's the degree of

unknown. It 472 00:27:50.930 --> 00:27:54.490 starts to shift. And people are, you know, it's like, well, 473 00:27:55.089 --> 00:27:57.309 I don't know if I can make bread without a recipe. 474 00:27:59.930 --> 00:28:02.309 You know, Jackie, I think I could blindfold her and 475 00:28:02.329 --> 00:28:04.970 she probably could make bread. Now there's a part of 476 00:28:04.990 --> 00:28:08.099 me that would love to have that level of intuition 477 00:28:08.740 --> 00:28:11.460 and trust myself just to do that. And I thought, 478 00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:16.130 I'm going to start trying that. eyeballing it and seeing 479 00:28:16.470 --> 00:28:19.329 and just that's a next step for me to be 480 00:28:19.890 --> 00:28:23.329 liberated to that level. 481 00:28:24.650 --> 00:28:27.670 Well it's interesting as we're talking about this because you 482 00:28:27.710 --> 00:28:30.150 know you go back to the teachings of buddhism and 483 00:28:30.190 --> 00:28:34.150 eastern philosophies and they talk about how we create our 484 00:28:34.210 --> 00:28:36.720 own suffering this is how we do. 485 00:28:36.619 --> 00:28:39.740 It right and i would never think making bread makes 486 00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:44.259 me suffer but like i said making it Someone else's 487 00:28:44.319 --> 00:28:46.099 way other than my own might. 488 00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:48.500 If you're feeling anxious, are you suffering? 489 00:28:48.900 --> 00:28:52.559 Yeah, that's what I said. And yet at the same time, 490 00:28:52.660 --> 00:28:58.000 her way feels so liberating, right? Like, oh, all I 491 00:28:58.039 --> 00:29:00.700 need are just these three ingredients. I don't need a scale. 492 00:29:00.829 --> 00:29:03.670 I don't need a measuring cup. In fact, I loved 493 00:29:03.910 --> 00:29:08.410 how Sid, my brother-in-law, said his mother had this yellow cup. 494 00:29:09.569 --> 00:29:10.430 Do you remember this story? 495 00:29:10.450 --> 00:29:10.869 No. 496 00:29:11.509 --> 00:29:13.910 He said she had this yellow cup in the cupboard, 497 00:29:14.670 --> 00:29:17.250 and it was the only cup she used for baking. 498 00:29:18.289 --> 00:29:22.269 So whether the recipe was a cup, a half a cup, two-thirds, three-fourths, 499 00:29:22.630 --> 00:29:23.470 she had one cup. 500 00:29:23.769 --> 00:29:25.039 She was always using the same one. 501 00:29:25.049 --> 00:29:28.990 And she was always using the same one, estimating those measurements. Wow. 502 00:29:29.450 --> 00:29:32.279 And then all of a sudden, her daughter goes to 503 00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:35.329 Home Ec and comes home, and now they've got to 504 00:29:35.329 --> 00:29:39.970 buy like all these tools this set of measuring cups 505 00:29:40.019 --> 00:29:44.339 of cups now there's five cups instead of lenore's one 506 00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:47.720 cup and then there's these five spoons and he said 507 00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:50.279 you know she took out of the her kitchen drawer 508 00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:53.200 and what the spoon they ate with was the teaspoon 509 00:29:53.380 --> 00:29:56.099 and the bigger spoon you know so all of a 510 00:29:56.140 --> 00:30:02.640 sudden Different definitions were making things more cognitive. It was 511 00:30:02.779 --> 00:30:05.960 building rigidity. And maybe this is part of the illusion. 512 00:30:07.630 --> 00:30:09.329 Maybe. Absolutely. 513 00:30:10.690 --> 00:30:12.630 That all of a sudden it has to be more 514 00:30:12.670 --> 00:30:14.829 black and white. It has to be more defined. It 515 00:30:14.849 --> 00:30:20.089 has to be more sure and less absolute versus estimated. 516 00:30:20.349 --> 00:30:22.329 But the one cup won't work anymore. 517 00:30:22.549 --> 00:30:26.769 It doesn't feel safe for some of us when it's not. 518 00:30:27.619 --> 00:30:33.890 spelled out and for others of us it feels as 519 00:30:34.069 --> 00:30:37.910 the word you used was liberating when we can allow 520 00:30:37.970 --> 00:30:43.059 ourselves to just be present with what is estimating is 521 00:30:43.180 --> 00:30:51.299 okay guessing is okay non-perfection is okay the playing of 522 00:30:51.380 --> 00:30:56.549 music which is where I have gone in a way 523 00:30:56.609 --> 00:31:00.019 that's Not perfect. Absolutely not perfect. 524 00:31:01.019 --> 00:31:04.859 Well, I think it's because you're using more completely your 525 00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:09.500 other senses. I think, you know, Jackie, I'm using my 526 00:31:09.599 --> 00:31:14.339 mind when I'm following a recipe. Jackie's using her touch. 527 00:31:14.900 --> 00:31:15.140 Yes. 528 00:31:15.420 --> 00:31:18.990 She's feeling the consistency in the dough. She's looking at it. 529 00:31:19.049 --> 00:31:23.670 She's using sight. The last thing she's using is her mind. 530 00:31:24.089 --> 00:31:26.109 Right. She's using her intuitions. 531 00:31:26.289 --> 00:31:28.670 She's using her intuition and her other senses. Like I said, 532 00:31:28.690 --> 00:31:33.430 her touch and her just estimating. 533 00:31:33.869 --> 00:31:37.490 Since we're touching on intuition, let's talk about that for 534 00:31:37.529 --> 00:31:41.759 just a second before we close because I think that's 535 00:31:41.799 --> 00:31:46.210 the voice that we really have to learn to trust 536 00:31:46.279 --> 00:31:51.640 more and listen to more. And we don't see the 537 00:31:51.700 --> 00:31:54.619 results of listening to our intuition unless we're willing to 538 00:31:54.680 --> 00:31:57.190 do it. when we start to do it and listen 539 00:31:57.230 --> 00:31:59.789 to our intuition you start to recognize that when you 540 00:31:59.809 --> 00:32:02.710 listen to your intuition it doesn't mean you're right all 541 00:32:02.750 --> 00:32:04.849 the time but it does mean that you're following your 542 00:32:04.890 --> 00:32:08.009 feelings and as you learn how to follow your feelings 543 00:32:08.049 --> 00:32:10.710 and recognize when it's not coming from your mind and 544 00:32:10.730 -->

00:32:13.839 your head and your thinking but coming from some other 545 00:32:13.890 --> 00:32:17.960 place in a place where you're trained to be as 546 00:32:18.259 --> 00:32:23.380 still and present not in cognitive rigidity but in a 547 00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:28.809 very very fluid way of being That when we have 548 00:32:28.829 --> 00:32:32.609 intuition or insight as to what we need to do, 549 00:32:32.829 --> 00:32:35.390 something we need to do in our lives, something in 550 00:32:35.430 --> 00:32:38.029 this world of form that we need to accomplish, some task, 551 00:32:39.309 --> 00:32:41.130 we can feel what it is that we need to 552 00:32:41.190 --> 00:32:45.750 do from a place that's different from thinking it or 553 00:32:45.809 --> 00:32:49.640 from our mind or from the cognitive way of accomplishing it. 554 00:32:49.950 --> 00:32:54.049 When we do that, there's a resonance, I feel, that's 555 00:32:54.210 --> 00:32:57.460 emanating around us all the time You can call it 556 00:32:57.519 --> 00:33:05.849 whatever you want. Spirit. That will help us walk through 557 00:33:05.910 --> 00:33:09.670 life the way we were meant to walk through life. 558 00:33:10.309 --> 00:33:13.220 Instead of trying to think it through and figure it out. 559 00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:18.539 Right. And I do think intuition is closer to spirit. 560 00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:22.000 It's something that is in the body, but not of 561 00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:27.559 the body. And then mind is... that thinking cognitive pre, 562 00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:29.440 you know, prefrontal cortex and. 563 00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:32.200 All of that, the equation solver and the. 564 00:33:32.180 --> 00:33:35.559 Ego, right? The mechanism of ego that keeps us, that 565 00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:38.480 we were gifted when we came into form in order 566 00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:42.839 to stay safe. So, you know, we talk, we've talked 567 00:33:42.900 --> 00:33:46.500 a lot in other podcasts about bridging those two worlds 568 00:33:47.059 --> 00:33:51.339 and that humanity is coming more and more now where 569 00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:55.329 we're bridging those even further. Yeah. And, It was interesting. 570 00:33:55.750 --> 00:33:59.869 I was watching a clip this morning about Gary Zukav 571 00:33:59.910 --> 00:34:02.650 talking about, you know, when we die, the ego mind 572 00:34:03.230 --> 00:34:09.039 dies because the mind stops. But that intuition, that part 573 00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:12.840 of spirit goes on. And so when we can tap 574 00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:18.829 more actively into that while living, then I think we're 575 00:34:18.869 --> 00:34:21.590 living from a different space, whether people call that a 576 00:34:21.630 --> 00:34:27.239 higher vibration, it's definitely a different perspective when it comes 577 00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:32.199 from our intuition than when we're relying on mind and 578 00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:36.760 the physical part of us, the ego part of us 579 00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:41.190 that is all part of our physicality, our form that 580 00:34:41.389 --> 00:34:46.280 is only for this time. And that part, you know, 581 00:34:46.659 --> 00:34:49.800 it's just these gentle promptings to say, if I'm going 582 00:34:49.820 --> 00:34:53.460 to exercise a muscle today, am I going to exercise 583 00:34:53.500 --> 00:34:58.760 the muscle of intuition or my skill of intuition, or 584 00:34:58.800 --> 00:35:01.860 am I going to go deeper into my mind? And 585 00:35:02.449 --> 00:35:05.909 this weekend with my siblings has really been a very 586 00:35:05.969 --> 00:35:11.610 gentle call to, again, let go of my thinking and 587 00:35:11.969 --> 00:35:17.130 try to live more in my feeling and intuition and 588 00:35:17.190 --> 00:35:21.030 more spirit-driven self than my mind self. 589 00:35:21.510 --> 00:35:22.809 Yeah. I love it. 590 00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:26.559 So maybe I have to start playing music with you, honey. 591 00:35:27.059 --> 00:35:27.719 Oh, why not? 592 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:31.300 I'm game. Are you? 593 00:35:31.820 --> 00:35:37.809 Absolutely. You know that. All right. So... With that being said, 594 00:35:37.829 --> 00:35:40.329 I think we'll wrap this up. You got something else? 595 00:35:40.429 --> 00:35:42.809 No, I just think you should maybe give a prompt 596 00:35:42.889 --> 00:35:45.610 for as people listen to this and they go the 597 00:35:45.670 --> 00:35:49.530 week of hearing this podcast, give them maybe a challenge 598 00:35:49.570 --> 00:35:53.039 for the week of something that they should do after 599 00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:53.880 they've listened to this. 600 00:35:53.900 --> 00:35:58.480 I think do what I recognized. Ask that question to yourself. 601 00:35:59.579 --> 00:36:04.650 Where is it in my life that cognitive rigidity comes up? 602 00:36:05.369 --> 00:36:10.110 Or is it that I am rigid in my cognition, 603 00:36:10.150 --> 00:36:14.710 in my thinking, where I'm not safe if I'm outside 604 00:36:14.750 --> 00:36:16.719 of that? And it can be in anything in your life. 605 00:36:16.739 --> 00:36:19.320 It can be something at work. It can be something 606 00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:21.440 in your belief system. It can be something in your 607 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:22.960 political beliefs. 608 00:36:22.980 --> 00:36:23.860 Your relationships. 609 00:36:23.880 --> 00:36:28.269 Relationships. So many different ways that you can look at it. 610 00:36:29.219 --> 00:36:31.780 And we'd love to hear from you. So drop that 611 00:36:31.820 --> 00:36:35.289 in the comments on the podcast. Or reach out to us. 612 00:36:35.769 --> 00:36:37.849 Go on to our social media. You can find us 613 00:36:38.030 --> 00:36:40.369 all out there. All the links will be in the podcast. 614 00:36:41.269 --> 00:36:43.920 And let's hear from you. And we'll put links to 615 00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:46.639 that podcast from Mel Robbins in here so that you 616 00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:49.760 can access that and listen to it. Highly recommended. 617 00:36:50.059 --> 00:36:51.280 Yes, highly recommended. 618 00:36:51.300 --> 00:36:57.820 Really good podcast. Dr. Todd Rose was the guest. 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