The Witch (10th Anniversary) ၏ စာသားမှတ်တမ်းအပြည့်အစုံ

Speaker 3: That's right. He hates this movie. Oh, okay. 00:05:22 Speaker 2: He fucking hates this movie and he hates Robert Eggers' films. And it's always funny. Anytime Robert Eggers comes up in our group chat, he's like, man, I hate that guy. 00:05:30 Speaker 3: I hate his movies. 00:05:31 Speaker 2: I don't understand how that is. 00:05:34 Speaker 3: Because he likes slow burn. I don't know what it is. 00:05:36 Speaker 2: Alaska, you have to bring your ass on here one of these days and we have to battle this out. But I love this movie. 00:05:42 Speaker 3: One of my favorites. And let's go ahead and get into it. It starts off. Actually, I'll throw this out there too. 00:05:50 Speaker 2: I think what makes me love this movie so much is every time I watch it, I see something different. Shit that I did not notice before. And even this most recent time, I watched it again on Friday night. There was something that I picked up that I did not catch before. 00:06:04 Speaker 3: But yeah, we'll get into it. 00:06:06 Speaker 2: Starts off in 1630s in New England and we meet William, his wife Catherine, daughter Thomason, son Caleb, twins Mercy and Jonas, and then we have baby Samuel. One other thing I'll throw out real quick, I feel like if you really enjoy this movie, it will behoove you to sit down and just Google some of the religious themes in And especially when it comes to the names of the people in this film. And I think that'll also make some things pop. Because that's some shit that I didn't do before. But yeah, they're being excommunicated from a religious settlement over a dispute. And they go off into the wilderness and they find an area where they can build a farm. I know it's hard to try to get y'all to remember 2015. Because so much shit has happened since then. But do y'all remember when you started this? If y'all were like, oh, this is actually a cool setting. Or if you were like, man, I'm not trying to watch old white people looking like fucking Amish motherfuckers. 00:07:09 Speaker 3: I'm not trying to watch two hours of this shit. 00:07:11 Speaker 1: The latter. 00:07:12 Speaker 4: I did remember because I normally don't like stuff like that. Or I won't say I don't like it. 00:07:16 Speaker 3: It is kind of like a. Not your favorite. 00:07:19 Speaker 4: Yeah, not my favorite. But, you know, some people do it well. And I think he did it well, you know, because even from the language. 00:07:26 Speaker 1: Right. Like, you know. 00:07:29 Speaker 3: I actually don't mind having the subtitles on this one in particular. You have to. But yeah, the latter. 00:07:36 Speaker 4: I normally see it and I'm like, we got to stay here all movie. But no, it made sense for this or whatever. 00:07:45 Speaker 1: So yeah. No, I think for the title, for the movie, and what was happening back then, it made sense. So to your question, no, it didn't bother me because I felt like, you know, they'll find a way to make it work and make it make sense. And there's a

lack of, you know, there's a lot of faith and there's a lack of information that people have access to now. So you become like a victim of those things as well. So, but no, I'd, I always kind of find that sort of time period interesting because I'm like, how the hell did y'all even fucking make it? You know, just seeing the way they have to survive and shit like that. It was rough. It was rough. 00:08:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, whenever I watch this shit, it always makes me think of that Oregon Trail game. 00:08:41 Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. 00:08:42 Speaker 3: You young folks wouldn't know nothing about this, but this was our shit. 00:08:45 Speaker 1: God, was this 80s? 00:08:45 Speaker 3: Oregon Trail? 00:08:47 Speaker 1: Yeah. 80s? 00:08:52 Speaker 2: Yeah man for y'all youngsters that was that was the game that we had to play and everybody knows that's the only reason we know what dysentery is cause everybody ass died from dysentery at some point in that game but it always makes me think of these you know that old ass game but I don't really care for this time period I don't really care for movies in this time period and it's mainly the language you know everybody fucking douse with on the good morrow I don't wanna hear that shit I don't wanna hear that shit It's confusing as hell. 00:09:23 Speaker 3: Speak white. Don't speak old white. Speak new white. 00:09:26 Speaker 2: I'm not trying to hear that shit. But this one works because once I got the subtitles down, it just adds to the movie. 00:09:35 Speaker 3: It makes sense. 00:09:36 Speaker 2: It puts you in that era and it feels so fucking cool. Also because I wasn't, prior to this movie, I wasn't super familiar with Puritan Christians. And for those listening, they're reformed Protestants. They believe that God controls every single aspect of your life. And I know we like to think that all Christians think that, but that's not the case. Protestants think that it's legit. I'm sorry, Puritans think that it's everything, everything that happens, God. 00:10:06 Speaker 3: Is in control. 00:10:08 Speaker 2: So then when you have this idea of the Father William, why he's getting excommunicated, all they say is prideful deceit. 00:10:16 Speaker 1: Right. 00:10:17 Speaker 3: So that's what I was going to ask you. Like, yeah, prideful deceit. What does that mean? 00:10:21 Speaker 2: So from what I know, it just basically means that he thinks he knows more than everybody else. But it also, if you Google it, it says pride in your possessions, which would be an issue because, you know, Christians look at that kind of thing as like worshiping false idols. And I think it gets worse when it comes to like, oh, I have this this car. and it's an amazing car, and I love this car. Do you love this car more than God? But prideful deceit, they never really explain exactly what it is that William did. But by the time we get to the end of the movie, I think we can put together that William was just talking back, basically being like, I know more than y'all. Because he was telling them, you can't tell me shit, you're a false Christian. So that's the only thing I can figure out, because they don't ever say it specifically. 00:11:14 Speaker 4: What happens so that that's interesting because if he's saying they're false christians and if you believe everything is controlled by god so he's basically saying like you guys are making it seem like you're bigger than god okay. 00:11:27 Speaker 2: Yeah basically um because because they they separated because they thought that um god i forget who the protestants broke from it's not pentecostals i don't remember but Whatever group they broke away from, they thought that they weren't following the law correctly. So then you get this group that's already broken from this group that says y'all weren't following it right. Then you have a member of the broken away group that's like, nope, y'all still ain't following it right. So they're really looking at them like, wait a minute. Like, you must be out your fucking mind. We already left this other group because we're trying to follow the law. And now you're saying we're not following it closely. So they had to leave. So, one day when playing with Samuel, Thomason finds that Samuel has been taken. And I still remember this moment in the movie. We then see someone running through the woods with him. Then we see an old naked woman in a cabin doing something. So, did y'all know what she was doing when she was in the cabin? 00:12:31 Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. This was all... Even now, to this day, I still can't believe they did this shit. Like, kill... Killing a baby. I kept waiting for it to be fake. I kept waiting for it to not be real. I was like, when we saw the little ground-up baby meat, I was like, ain't no way. She killed that baby and ground it up and put it on her. I guess trying to get young or something. I don't know. 00:12:59 Speaker 3: I have no idea what she was doing. That's what she was doing. 00:13:03 Speaker 1: But I still couldn't believe that that actually happened. And that she took that baby and killed that baby. But the way they did it was so dope, because you see the baby just there, and then all of a sudden you see the knife come in the picture. 00:13:18 Speaker 4: Yeah, it implies they did a really good job with that. 00:13:20 Speaker 1: Man, yeah. 00:13:22 Speaker 3: I thought she was going to circumcise him, that's all. That's what you really thought? 00:13:26 Speaker 2: I didn't pick it up until, I think, the second time I watched the movie. I didn't pick up that she had crunched that baby up. 00:13:34 Speaker 1: I just didn't believe you. 00:13:35 Speaker 3: I just said, hmm. I can't fucking stand you. But no, I really didn't. It was a stupid moment. 00:13:42 Speaker 2: Because when I look back on it now, I'm like, how did I miss that? But I saw the knife. And the next thing we saw, her little naked ass. And she was doing this. So I thought she was making

something. 00:13:52 Speaker 3: I saw blood. Yeah. 00:13:55 Speaker 2: I did not know that she had killed the baby until the second time I watched the film. 00:13:59 Speaker 3: That's crazy. I was just like, where's the baby at? They're not going to talk about the baby no more. That shit was eerie as hell when she was doing the peek-a-boo shit. 00:14:08 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:14:08 Speaker 4: She did that last time. You kind of felt it was coming, but it's like, oh, shit, the baby really going. 00:14:13 Speaker 1: It happened so fast. It did. It happened so fast. 00:14:15 Speaker 2: I didn't see her running through the woods, though. That's one of the pieces that I was telling you. 00:14:20 Speaker 3: You pick up. 00:14:21 Speaker 2: The more times you watch this movie, because if you watch closely, when she looks up, there's a little piece of a plant that does this. 00:14:28 Speaker 3: And then the very next scene. That's how she knew it was over there. 00:14:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, the next scene, it shows the woods and you see this woman running in the woods. But it's for like two seconds, if that. 00:14:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't see it. So you don't really notice it. 00:14:39 Speaker 2: And you pick it up because I believe she's wearing a red cloak, which is the same red cloak she's wearing later. But if we did review this movie, I imagine I brought this up, but so when they crunched, this is in old English folklore, when they crunched these babies up, it's not to make themselves look young. That is, that is also a potion because that's just a disguise. You know, what it is is it's flying ointment. So this is something that dates back all the way back to old English. There's folklore that witches would take babies, especially if they're not baptized, they would kill them, crunch them up and they use it to make ointment so they can fly. So that's why there's like a, a scene where after she crunches the baby up she puts the blood all over herself and you see there's like a long stick she's rubbing it all over the stick that's what that is it's called flying ointment. 00:15:38 Speaker 3: So she was like a witch witch that's. 00:15:41 Speaker 2: What I'm saying the movie is great and the thing about it is y'all still like the movie without doing this nerdy googling shit once you sit down and start googling stuff it really shows how amazing Robert Eggers is he does not fuck around Like, there are so many details in this film. I feel like anything that seems odd in the movie, just Google it. And it will make sense. 00:16:02 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm sure. 00:16:03 Speaker 1: I remember you saying that before. I just never, I just haven't taken the time to do it. Yeah. But that's flying on me. That's insane. Yeah. 00:16:13 Speaker 2: It's pretty, this one coming up is also another interesting one. 00:16:16 Speaker 1: But real quick. 00:16:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, go ahead. 00:16:19 Speaker 1: It's almost like it works both ways, though. It's like it works if you have the information like you do. Oh, yeah, sure. And if you don't, that's kind of crazy. Because I'm like, oh, she's trying to make herself young. Right. And it works as a viewer that doesn't know that because that's one of the folklores or whatever that's been known about witches. But if you know what's actually happening, it adds another layer and it flips what she's actually doing to a deeper meaning. That's kind of dope that he did that. 00:16:47 Speaker 2: He's, man, I'm telling you. It's the same shit with The Lighthouse. It's the same shit with The Northmen. Robert Eggers is dope. Alaska, get your shit together, bro. 00:16:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, because you have to study this stuff. 00:16:58 Speaker 4: You can't just blanketly just make a movie like this without proper study work. 00:17:02 Speaker 3: You really can't. He does not play. 00:17:05 Speaker 2: But the reason I know that The Ointment was not specifically to make herself look young is... And we'll get to the scene when she captures Caleb. Her hand is still like an old lady's hand. So you can tell then that it's just a disguise. Yeah, it's just like a, you know. So yeah, in the next scene, we see a few important things. We see Catherine's been crying and praying for Samuel's return. We also see that Caleb is a little bit of a pervert because he's been staring at his sister's titties. And then we see Caleb and William go out into the woods. You think that doesn't make you a pervert? 00:17:40 Speaker 4: I don't know if he was, I don't know if I looked at it as a pervert, just like almost like, not adolescence, but. 00:17:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, puberty. Puberty. 00:17:48 Speaker 3: That's still your sister though. 00:17:49 Speaker 1: Huh? 00:17:49 Speaker 3: That's still your sister. 00:17:50 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's still your sister, but like, like they say too, like, you know, like boys, like boys are like, their mom is their first crush and stuff like that. 00:17:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's the first, it's the titties you see. 00:18:00 Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's like, so I don't look at it as, like pervert because he was just like, you know, he didn't really want to. 00:18:08 Speaker 1: Yes, he did. 00:18:08 Speaker 3: He was turned away. No, he didn't. 00:18:11 Speaker 2: He didn't want to get caught. He was looking at them little half non-existent titties. 00:18:15 Speaker 1: I know, I wouldn't even know. 00:18:16 Speaker 3: I didn't even know titties to see. 00:18:17 Speaker 1: It was just like a lot. 00:18:18 Speaker 3: It was just like, this man don't even know what titties is. Like, where is the cleavage? What are we looking at? 00:18:25 Speaker 4: But, I didn't look at it as a pervert thing. I just look at it, he was just young and going into puberty and just like. 00:18:30 Speaker 3: There's no other girls around. Yeah, no other girls around. 00:18:32 Speaker 1: Right. 00:18:33 Speaker 3: That's what I was thinking about. That's how I took it. 00:18:36 Speaker 2: Right. 00:18:37

Speaker 1: Right. 00:18:38 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:18:39 Speaker 2: So Caleb and William go out into the woods to hunt. They come up on a rabbit. And when William tries to shoot it, the gun backfires. So what did y'all think of this scene and the conversations that William and Caleb were having in the woods? 00:18:52 Speaker 1: So I thought this scene was interesting because now is why the opening scene of this movie is interesting. It kind of sets up, like, pretty much the fall of this family from those events early on in the beginning and the prideful deceit. Yeah. Yeah. So but that pride led to the basically murder of his whole fucking family. Yep. And being kicked out of this place going over here everything fell apart this after the baby died and now you shoot this gun to find food and the gun backfires and it hurts you. So, and I'm like, oh, here we go. So I thought that that was interesting. This is when he also said he sold that cup too. Yes. And then now he's lying about the cup because he told his kid not to lie about the cup. So now you're putting these... values into the kid because you think that there's a bigger sort of meaning to it in order to protect the mom. Because you think you're protecting the mom. And that's the thing that they say in movies a lot where I was only doing this to protect you. You know, to kind of ease the pain of you doing something that may have been fucked up. Right. Right. 00:20:10 Speaker 3: Well, they're also talking about the fact that Caleb wasn't baptized. 00:20:14 Speaker 2: Yes. So to these kinds of strict Christians, I don't know if Christians still believe this, but these very strict Christians, that means that baby's in hell. They still believe that? There might be some leniency now, right? 00:20:24 Speaker 3: I don't know. Because it's a baby. 00:20:27 Speaker 1: Wait, Caleb or Samuel wasn't baptized? 00:20:29 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Samuel wasn't baptized, my fault. But you said the baby. 00:20:33 Speaker 2: I did, but I think I said Caleb the baby. Oh, okay. 00:20:35 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:20:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember you saying that earlier, yeah. 00:20:39 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not sure. 00:20:39 Speaker 5: If you would love to have more content from Frames Per Second, become a patron where you can contribute to what we review and discuss. Our Patreon gives the listeners the power to nominate and vote a monthly discussion and film review, while also nominating and voting on weekly solo reviews from each cast member. You also get the opportunity to vote on the publicly released anniversary film, all exclusive to our Patreon. So become a patron at patreon.com Frames Per Second, where there are two tiers you can choose from, That's patreon.com forward slash frames per second. 00:21:17 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:21:19 Speaker 2: Well, there's also this idea, because I had to Google this. I don't know if any of those kids were baptized besides Thomasin. 00:21:27 Speaker 3: It never explicitly says, which that's also something we'll get back to. 00:21:31 Speaker 2: Maybe Caleb was. Caleb probably was. Thomasin probably was. The twins probably were not. And we know Samuel was not. 00:21:39 Speaker 3: But we'll get to that. 00:21:40 Speaker 2: Like you said, William reveals that he sold Catherine's cup specifically for hunting supplies, the supplies that did not work. 00:21:49 Speaker 3: But this is. 00:21:49 Speaker 2: Something I didn't think about before. I thought the entire time that the rabbit was just Black Phillip ass. I thought the rabbit was just Satan or something. 00:21:57 Speaker 3: Oh, really? Yes. 00:21:59 Speaker 2: Until I Googled it. Rabbits in the Bible are. 00:22:01 Speaker 3: A symbol of uncleanliness. So that's one thing. And then there's something called a fuka. 00:22:08 Speaker 2: And a fuka is a shape-shifting spirit that typically takes the form of a rabbit. So I think what we're seeing here is these are different, like when you have Satan, which is Black Phillip, of course that attracts other kinds of evil, like witches. But it makes sense that in these old days that folklore would also say that it attracts this other creature, this fuka, because this is specifically a European folklore creature. At least from everything that I could find. Because I don't know why I never bothered to Google what the rabbit meant. I just ignored it, pretty much. But the rabbit was over... It's on all of the promo material. The rabbit's head. I just never bothered to look it up. But yeah, I thought that was actually interesting. And every time they see that fucking rabbit, some fuck shit happens. 00:22:53 Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, damn. Okay. 00:22:56 Speaker 2: So, we go back to the farm and we see the twins playing with Black Phillip. And they're kind of singing this song and they're implying that Black Phillip talks to them. And in the scene after this, we see Thomason and Caleb at the water and mercy sneaks up on them and proclaims to be the witch of the wood to which Thomason says. 00:23:16 Speaker 3: She's actually the witch. 00:23:18 Speaker 2: So were y'all thinking Thomason was telling the truth? 00:23:20 Speaker 3: Like she was the witch. That's what I was trying to figure out by the end of this. 00:23:27 Speaker 4: Um, cause I did think she was playing with her, just trying to scare and get her to calm down. 00:23:32 Speaker 3: Um, but then I was like, well, I don't know what she like that, that, That's one of the questions I have for y'all. Like, was she? 00:23:40 Speaker 1: I don't think she was at this time. I think this is one of those situations where we get to the end of the movie. It's like, well, you play too much. Yep. 00:23:51 Speaker 3: That's exactly right. You play too much. 00:23:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's kind of what I got for it. Because it makes sense. Your kid's teasing you to fuck with you. You probably already still feel horrible about what happened with Sam. And here they come with their... ass fucking with

you. So we're like, all right, we're fine. I am the witch. Now what? And they took that shit fucking seriously. Yes. 00:24:16 Speaker 3: Well, you think they did. We'll get to that later too. Yeah. I was wondering about it. 00:24:22 Speaker 4: And like, because she's, I mean, I know she had no choice, but I'm not, she didn't have a choice, but I was just like, why does she succumb to it so easily? 00:24:32 Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know. We'll definitely get to that discussion, too. Okay, cool. I don't think she was the witch during this point. 00:24:40 Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't think so either when I first watched it, but I was questioning it this time. 00:24:44 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think she was just fucking with the kid. 00:24:47 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:24:47 Speaker 2: And the kid was like, okay, I can use this. If I forget, remind me when we get to the end to come back to that point. 00:24:55 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:24:56 Speaker 2: We also see Catherine blaming Thomason for her missing cup. And we find that William and Catherine are arguing about the fact that they're starving. So they decide they're going to go back to the plantation, which does make sense. But they're also going to sell Thomason off to a family. The next morning, Caleb and Thomason go out into the woods to check on a trap. But they encounter that fucking rabbit again. Thomason gets bucked off the horse. She gets knocked out. Caleb runs after the dog who's chasing the rabbit. He finds the dog disemboweled and the witch comes out the hut and kisses him. And when Thomason makes it back to the farm, William is forced to admit that he took Catherine's cup and he took Samuel into the woods. So at this point, what's going through y'all's head? Are y'all like, y'all just need to move? Because that's what the fuck was going through my head. I'm like, why are y'all still at this fucking farm? 00:25:43 Speaker 3: We got to go. I don't know if I thought, well, yeah, I think the mom was saying that. She was saying that she wanted to go. But my thought was like, The witch came with the titties out, boy. 00:25:52 Speaker 1: She knew what Kayla wanted. 00:25:54 Speaker 3: She knew what he. 00:25:55 Speaker 1: Wanted, boy. Boy, these are real titties, boy. Right, yeah. 00:25:58 Speaker 3: Your little sister ain't got these, boy. She ain't got these. 00:26:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. 00:26:02 Speaker 3: He was just like, damn. He was entranced. 00:26:04 Speaker 2: Yep. 00:26:06 Speaker 3: So, yeah, that's what I was thinking. I was like, oh, damn, she got him. 00:26:11 Speaker 1: But he looked scared, too. Yeah. 00:26:14 Speaker 3: I couldn't tell if it was scared or horny. Yeah, he looked, although, Ken, he was coming closer, bro, because she was pretty. 00:26:19 Speaker 1: Like, you know what I'm saying? So she didn't look like a witch. Yeah, it's still like he was, like, afraid, but he couldn't help himself. 00:26:28 Speaker 2: I think that's supposed to be the trance that she put in him. 00:26:30 Speaker 3: So you're not wrong. 00:26:31 Speaker 2: I was kind of fucking with you, but I think that's supposed to be the trance that she immediately put on him the second that he saw her, because that's also something from the old folklore, is that they can be witched. that they can be with you very, very easily. 00:26:46 Speaker 4: But now, one of the thoughts with these scenes in particular, especially the witch hut or whatever. 00:26:52 Speaker 3: I like how it looks. Like, it didn't look like a, you know, like, just like hokey. You know what I'm saying? It looked like it's a part of the force. You know what I'm saying? 00:27:01 Speaker 4: Like, I was just like, oh man, that is really nice detail right there. And I like the overall gloomy look too. Like, I know he does his movies like in black and white for the most part, but this is like, It wasn't black and white, but it was. 00:27:14 Speaker 3: It had that feeling. It had that feeling of a black and white. 00:27:16 Speaker 4: So, yeah, I really, really like the aesthetic here. But, yeah, yeah, that's... This is a good series of scenes right here. 00:27:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Thomason seems to be around when a lot of this shit happens. And that's the second thing that I was like, she's going to get the blame for it. They're already trying to get rid of her. Mm-hmm. And they want to go back. And he didn't want to go back, right? 00:27:48 Speaker 3: No, he didn't want to go back. 00:27:49 Speaker 1: Yeah, so again, that pride thing is still lingering around him. Yep. And he refused to basically admit that, well, he refused to give in. Even with everything happening to his family. He wasn't doing the job of protecting the family and refused to leave, so they just came up with this plan. And, of course, he had to admit the lie and accept some sort of blame for taking him in the woods when he wasn't supposed to. Right. Because that was one of the things they said earlier, you're not supposed to go into the woods. Yep. Does that mean that they didn't know a witch was in the woods? Okay. 00:28:31 Speaker 2: No, I think it was just more so, you know, wolves are in the woods. 00:28:34 Speaker 3: Okay, okay. So they just don't want the kids to go out there and get, Fucked up by a wolf. 00:28:38 Speaker 1: Gotcha. But yeah, but it made sense to leave. I wasn't thinking that they should leave at that moment, though. Shit. But I can't hurt one of them to get out of there, though. 00:28:47 Speaker 3: But they couldn't leave because Caleb was still missing. 00:28:50 Speaker 4: And they still was hoping that the baby, that Sammy, would come back around at some point, too. 00:28:54 Speaker 2: Nah, because remember at that point, William had said he's been gone for a week. 00:28:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, I do remember that. 00:28:59 Speaker 2: So even if a wolf didn't eat him, he's starved by now. 00:29:02 Speaker 3: I feel like the mother still was holding out hope. You know what I mean? 00:29:05

Speaker 1: So, yeah. 00:29:07 Speaker 3: I'd have fucked that. Caleb on his own. Fuck this. There's three other kids. We got to go, man. But this next scene. Actually, I'll just talk about this one part first. 00:29:18 Speaker 2: While checking out the goats, Thomason finds Caleb outside and naked. So what did y'all think of that when she found him? He was all up against the post. 00:29:30 Speaker 4: He was doing good, man. I feel like he was doing a good acting job. 00:29:33 Speaker 3: I don't know where he's been. 00:29:34 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:29:35 Speaker 3: I was impressed with his acting job. I was happy to... to see him come back, but I was like, something ain't right, though. 00:29:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, he naked. 00:29:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, something ain't right. God damn. He got through that witch pussy and just lost his fucking mind. 00:29:46 Speaker 1: I know. I know. 00:29:48 Speaker 3: Got bewitched for real. 00:29:49 Speaker 1: God damn. He ate the apple. 00:29:54 Speaker 3: He choked in. Swallowed that motherfucker. God damn, she turned him out. 00:29:59 Speaker 1: Hey, bro. She turned him out, dog. 00:30:02 Speaker 3: Oh, she turned him out. 00:30:03 Speaker 1: Golly. 00:30:04 Speaker 3: He got what he wanted. What he ever been wanting, boy? 00:30:06 Speaker 1: Talk about symbolism. 00:30:08 Speaker 3: Well, we'll get to that part. You say you were. 00:30:10 Speaker 1: I was surprised he came back because I thought he was as good as dead when the witch got him. Yeah. Oh, that's another one. Another one bites the dust. He out of here. Right. 00:30:19 Speaker 3: Well. 00:30:20 Speaker 2: So there's a couple things I want to talk about. So when you talk about your surprise, he came back. I remember always being curious of like, why did the witch send him back instead of killing him? The idea of baptism didn't come into my mind until way later. I'm pretty certain he was baptized. So either the witch couldn't kill him or she didn't want to, which we can get into later why she didn't want to. But there's also this idea of, of why he's naked. 00:30:52 Speaker 1: Okay. 00:30:53 Speaker 2: You should know this, the idea of nakedness versus nudity. Do you remember this from art? It's actually in the Bible and in art. It's in art a lot, especially like old art. 00:31:05 Speaker 3: I was just telling Dom about it. 00:31:07 Speaker 1: Oh, really? 00:31:08 Speaker 4: Yeah, he asked, because like I said, puberty or whatever. 00:31:15 Speaker 3: So I was like, I don't know, it was like some cornstarch or something. 00:31:18 Speaker 4: And it was like, The lady had like cleavage showing on the logo. He was just like, why are her boobs out or whatever or something like that. I was like, well, you know, just, you know, that's the way they wanted to brand it or something like that. So he asked me about nakedness then or, you know, you know, revealing. And, oh, that's what it was. It was a painting. It was the Adam and God painting. 00:31:47 Speaker 3: Or

when he's reaching out. 00:31:48 Speaker 1: Okay. 00:31:49 Speaker 3: Oh, and they're all naked. Yeah, yeah, they're all naked. 00:31:51 Speaker 2: On the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel or whatever? 00:31:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, on the Sistine Chapel. But they have a painting of Ross. 00:31:57 Speaker 1: Okay. 00:31:57 Speaker 3: He saw Adam's dick was out. His dick all just out. He was just like, why? I was like, well, you know, it's art or whatever. 00:32:03 Speaker 4: I said, I actually have painted and drawn naked people. Like, it's part, it's, you know, especially in those times. That was the part of art or whatever. So I had to explain that to him just recently. But I'm not sure exactly what you're talking about with the naked versus nudity thing. 00:32:21 Speaker 2: So the naked versus nudity thing comes from the Bible, from Genesis especially, where Adam and Eve, they were nude. 00:32:30 Speaker 1: Got you. Yes. Got it. 00:32:31 Speaker 2: The idea of nakedness, which is shame of your body or whatever, didn't come until after the original sin, which was the apple and all that. 00:32:39 Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. 00:32:41 Speaker 2: So the movie definitely does a whole lot with the whole nudity and nakedness thing. In the scene where he comes back and he's completely naked, I think this is to kind of push this idea of they don't care about the whole nakedness versus nudity thing. Especially for like these witches are just like, well, look, what y'all think. that we're supposed to be shameful of, we don't care. Because the witch is typically naked. 00:33:11 Speaker 3: In the movie. She's naked most of the time. 00:33:15 Speaker 2: So they're pushing this idea of, no, this is still normal and it's beautiful. Whereas when you look at those old paintings, there were all of the, like a lot of the women back then were painted nude. But then if you notice, like later on, there'll be like the paintings would be like them holding their hands over their breasts or over their, genitals or whatever, and that's where the whole idea of nakedness or being shamed of being naked comes from. So yeah, I always found that to be interesting. But this next scene is one of my favorite scenes of the whole movie. This is where Caleb is crashing out. So inside, they're performing a ritual on Caleb to get him well. However, that shit does not work. Caleb goes into violent convulsions. This motherfucker starts speaking in tongues. He pukes up an apple. He thanks Jesus, and he dies. So what did y'all think of this scene? Before y'all even get to it, I just want to once again, this little motherfucker right here acted his ass off. I don't know where he's been for 10 years. 00:34:20 Speaker 3: I need to look it up. He was amazing. 00:34:23 Speaker 2: I genuinely thought, okay, no, he's really possessed. That little white kid is really possessed. What did y'all think of this scene? 00:34:30 Speaker 4: I thought it was good. Yeah, I thought it was good. This way we saw that he actually was bewitched. Again, just like seeing the apple come out, it's not hokey, but it's just like little details. 00:34:45 Speaker 3: It's like, oh, shit, yeah. 00:34:47 Speaker 4: Because, you know, we hear these stories so much growing up, Hansel and Gretel and all these different stories growing up, but. 00:34:51 Speaker 3: They've been like these like little kiddie things. But the way they do it here. It seems adult. Yeah, it seems adult. 00:34:59 Speaker 4: And like, you know, even like the way it's not just red. It's just an apple. Like I told you, like, it's not black and white. It's just not a lot of color. And so I thought that was really cool detail. I guess basically him, his last calling was just like, you know, he is going to go to heaven or whatever. 00:35:17 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying? Because that's how I took that. 00:35:20 Speaker 4: You know, he accepted Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior or whatever. So I thought that was cool. And then he died or whatever. Whereas they wasn't sure about Samuel, but they were sure about him. 00:35:33 Speaker 1: But wasn't happy about it which of course obviously they wouldn't be as parents but nah I did like the scene and all he was saying I mean even then I thought that like all this shit was a ruse by the witch when he got sent back and I'm like okay nah something else gonna happen but I think that's the beauty of it. It didn't. It was just like he just said what he said and then he just kind of died. And then they were... It's also sad because they were all smiling and happy and then he never woke back up. And she's like, wake up. Wake up, Caleb. Wake up, Caleb. And then broken. And then that was it. From there, they just kind of completely fell apart. 00:36:26 Speaker 3: Because unlike Sam... You got him back. And then they took him again. 00:36:31 Speaker 1: And then just like that, yeah, he's gone. He's dead. So, you know, yeah, it just, it was a wrap for them. 00:36:40 Speaker 3: The twins were crashing out right here too, right? 00:36:42 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:36:43 Speaker 1: Yeah. Everybody was freaking out because they didn't know what was going on. 00:36:47 Speaker 3: They couldn't even say their prayer. I couldn't even say their prayer. We will get to. 00:36:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, the twins definitely passed out. One of them was saying, I can't remember my prayers. And I remember even watching it the first time, I was like, that don't make no damn sense for all these kids. 00:37:02 Speaker 3: We'll get to. 00:37:03 Speaker 2: I like that, again, he's using his research in his movies to show what it was like back then. So when they cut his head with the knife and bled him out, that was like a real thing. the whole idea of bloodletting that's where that comes from so they thought he was just sick so they thought if they cut the side of his head and let him bleed it out he'll get better and for a minute he did kind of get better but here's the interesting thing do y'all know

where the term Adam's apple comes from. 00:37:35 Speaker 3: Check the Adam's apple no. 00:37:41 Speaker 2: No so that's an old folklore too about Adam eating the apple okay So in some Christian folklore, when he ate the apple, a piece of it got lost into his throat and a piece of the forbidden fruit was lodged into his throat. And that's where the term Adam's apple comes from. So this kid puking up an apple in this moment is supposed to kind of be symbolizing he's going through puberty. He met this woman. He partook of the forbidden fruit and it lodged in his throat. The other interesting thing I thought was when he started yelling out, a crow, a dog, a raven. I didn't look that up before. I looked it up this time. Those are all black animals that Europeans believe that the devil can change to. So he's picturing all of these animals that the devil changes to. Doesn't say a rabbit, though, because that's not Satan. The rabbit is something else. 00:38:36 Speaker 3: I was just about to say that, yeah. 00:38:38 Speaker 2: And yeah, he does die after he professes his love to Jesus because he was baptized. 00:38:43 Speaker 3: He genuinely baptized. 00:38:44 Speaker 2: Loved and believed in Jesus. So in that moment, he dies smiling because he gets to go off into heaven. He's the only one that got mercy out of this entire fucking family. 00:38:56 Speaker 3: He's the only one. 00:38:57 Speaker 1: He wasn't sinning. 00:38:59 Speaker 4: That's what I was saying earlier. 00:39:02 Speaker 1: He just repented. 00:39:04 Speaker 3: He got tricked into sinning, though. 00:39:05 Speaker 1: He did. 00:39:05 Speaker 3: I told you he was sinning, right? 00:39:07 Speaker 2: We all been tricking into sinning now, Ken. A good set of titties show up, you're going to get tricked into sinning. 00:39:13 Speaker 1: I thought it didn't make it less of a sin or a sin or not a sin. 00:39:16 Speaker 2: Well, they always say as long as you repent. And he repented before he died. 00:39:20 Speaker 3: Yep, I like that part. I did too. 00:39:22 Speaker 1: It worked for me. 00:39:23 Speaker 3: I liked it. 00:39:24 Speaker 6: I thought it said it worked for you. 00:39:25 Speaker 3: That's what I hope it worked for me. True. 00:39:29 Speaker 1: So. 00:39:30 Speaker 2: William and Thomasin have, oh, well, let's go ahead and talk about the twins. The twins pass out here. 00:39:35 Speaker 3: And, actually, no, sorry. 00:39:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, they pass out, but then we get to William and Thomasin having a conversation out in the woods. He slick accuses Thomasin of being responsible for what's happening, but Thomasin tells him that the twins have been talking to Black Phillip and they're the ones who are corrupted. The first time I watched the film, I did not pick up on this. 00:39:55 Speaker 3: Don't mean corrupted? Yeah, I didn't pick up. 00:39:58 Speaker 2: I didn't think Thomasin, I thought Thomasin was just trying to get the attention off herself. But when you watch it, the twins were

clearly, maybe not both of them, but that little girl, Mercy, that little motherfucker there. 00:40:14 Speaker 3: Like, Black Phillip is my Lord and Savior. Yes. 00:40:15 Speaker 1: Yes. 00:40:18 Speaker 3: Yes. Black Phillip got my backs. 00:40:20 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:40:21 Speaker 3: Yeah. That little fucker. 00:40:23 Speaker 4: And they say that about kids, like children, they're easily, you know, obviously impressionable or whatever. Like, so, and you hear that all the time that, you know, the devil will get in their head quick because they know it's not fully developed. Their frontal cortex isn't fully developed. But, and so that's how I, when I saw them acting like they were acting, That's the first thing I thought. First thing I thought was, oh, yeah, he didn't got them. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, he didn't got them. Because, like I said, they're just not fully developed and be able to, like, push that out or whatever. 00:40:55 Speaker 1: So, yeah. I mean, I remember watching the first time. I still thought they were just making all that shit up. Oh, no. I didn't know they were that. We'll get to it. But, yeah, I was like, this whole Blackfella shit, they just kind of fucking around. 00:41:11 Speaker 2: I did, too, the first time watching it. I thought they were just saying shit because they're kids. Oh, we talked to Black Phillip. 00:41:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, you talk to all kinds of shit because you're a weirdo ass little kid. 00:41:20 Speaker 1: Right. Yeah. This is my payback for that witch shit you tried to pull. 00:41:25 Speaker 3: Yes. 00:41:26 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:41:27 Speaker 2: But then when you realize that Mercy started it. Mercy started it. 00:41:33 Speaker 3: She's the one. 00:41:34 Speaker 2: That came to Thomason and Caleb and said, it is me. I'm the witch of the wood. So she started it. Mm-hmm. Black Phillip had already gotten her by that point. 00:41:47 Speaker 3: I think. I think. 00:41:49 Speaker 2: Black Phillip had already gotten. 00:41:51 Speaker 3: Her by that point. 00:41:52 Speaker 2: I don't know about Jonas, but mercy as Black Phillip had that ass. So, since William is like, I can't tell which one of you motherfuckers is lying, I'm locking all of y'all in the goddamn shed. 00:42:05 Speaker 3: But what did y'all think of that. 00:42:06 Speaker 2: Scene where Caleb appears with Samuel to Catherine? 00:42:10 Speaker 3: Do y'all remember this part? 00:42:12 Speaker 1: Where Vaguely. What he did what? 00:42:14 Speaker 3: My favorite part of the movie. What he did what now? Is this when she's... Yes. 00:42:17 Speaker 1: Yes. Oh, okay. Oh. This was creepy when that bird was poking at her. 00:42:23 Speaker 3: Pecking at her titty. 00:42:24 Speaker 1: Yeah. And she thought she was feeding Sam. And it seemed like he came back. You could hear the baby too. Yes. And then it cut to it being a damn raven or something. 00:42:34 Speaker 3: A raven. 00:42:35 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:42:35 Speaker 2: Which is one of the animals that Caleb mentioned. 00:42:39 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that's... I don't, I didn't remember Caleb, though. No, it's Crow. I didn't remember. 00:42:45 Speaker 3: Is it Crow? 00:42:46 Speaker 2: Oh, he said, no, he said a crow, a dog, a raven. I think he said a crow, a raven, a black dog, and something else. 00:42:53 Speaker 1: But either way, I go, yeah, that, because, yeah, that was, that was creepy as fuck. Because she had no idea. 00:42:58 Speaker 4: Yeah, I felt like, you know, her, they were playing on her desires. She desired to see her, her sons again. And so, yeah, that, that was the rules for her, the trick for her. 00:43:10 Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. 00:43:13 Speaker 3: I still have this question. 00:43:14 Speaker 2: I always wonder if the witches were trying to get Catherine too or were they just tormenting Catherine in order for her to torment. 00:43:25 Speaker 3: Thomason. I'm still not sure. I don't know if they thought they can get her though. That's what I sometimes wonder. 00:43:32 Speaker 2: But it was the same voice that we hear talking to Thomason later. So it's the Black Phillips voice, I think, But I can never figure out if they were trying to actually corrupt Catherine into being a witch. Maybe they were trying and then they realized, yeah, this ain't going to work. 00:43:48 Speaker 3: So fuck it. 00:43:49 Speaker 2: But so we're getting towards the end. So during the night, while in the barn, the naked ass witch appears to them. When William wakes in the morning, he finds the barn completely destroyed. The lamb slaughtered and Thomas and lying on the ground. And then Black Phillip has come over and stabs his ass in the stomach and knocks him into a woodpile. This one has a lot of symbolism here. So what did y'all think of this scene with William and his death? 00:44:22 Speaker 1: He fucked him up. He fucked him up. And I remember when I was watching it, because it's so quiet, and then it just happens. 00:44:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, it scared the shit out of me. 00:44:33 Speaker 1: I'm not even going to lie. I jumped. that's what happened to my wife because it was on and that motherfucker was just kind of standing around and boom she was like oh Jesus and he's just sitting there he's bleeding and he's holding himself and then Black Phillip you know of course hit him again and knocked him into the woods but did he the. 00:44:54 Speaker 6: Wood he'd been chopping remember that part we'll get to that yeah but now this was brutal but it was just two punches I thought it was going to fight back a little bit more than he. 00:45:05 Speaker 2: Did He gave up at that point. Now, this is a really important part. And, Rod, don't forget your point. When he says, corruption thou art my father. 00:45:13 Speaker 3: I'm not going to ask you. You're a heathen. 00:45:16 Speaker 2: Do you know where that comes from, Rod? Do you remember that story of Job? 00:45:18 Speaker 3: I know the story of Job. How did Job die? I still don't know. Yeah, I don't remember

how Job died. But, yeah, I do know the story of Job, though. 00:45:26 Speaker 2: So he says that when he's about to die. And I had to Google it. And it basically means, that's another thing I didn't Google before until this most recent watching. It basically means you're accepting that you're about to die. Because if you remember in the movie, he reaches for that axe. And then he looks up and he just puts the axe down and just says, corruption, thou art my father. 00:45:44 Speaker 3: And then Black Phillip hits his ass again. 00:45:47 Speaker 1: All that shit came down under that. It did. 00:45:50 Speaker 2: And you brought up the point, the wood that he chopped. So did you get anything from that? Like symbolism from him? 00:45:57 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:45:59 Speaker 3: Like, down on your own staff type of thing? Kind of. 00:46:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. 00:46:02 Speaker 2: Because he's chopping wood throughout the whole movie. 00:46:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. 00:46:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the only thing I thought. Like, I mean, because why else would you do that? You know what I'm saying? 00:46:09 Speaker 4: Like, why else would this be the way that you actually die from this day? And you put so much emphasis on him chopping the wood and stuff. 00:46:19 Speaker 2: I always thought that like, because he can't provide for his family. William is kind of sorry. If you really look at this movie, William is kind of sorry. 00:46:29 Speaker 1: Or are they making him sorry, though? 00:46:33 Speaker 3: I think he just sorry, bruh. 00:46:35 Speaker 1: Could be because he did get him kicked out. 00:46:37 Speaker 3: He got him kicked out because he was being an asshole. 00:46:39 Speaker 1: They're in this situation because of him. 00:46:41 Speaker 3: Yes. And he acknowledged that. He did. It was just too late. It was too late, yeah. His pride. 00:46:47 Speaker 1: He got buried under the mess that he made. 00:46:52 Speaker 3: That's exactly right. That's how I always looked at it. 00:46:55 Speaker 2: He's chopping wood the whole movie because he can't do shit else. And we all know that if we got a family out in the woods, chopping wood is the man's job. Traditionally, we're talking about gender roles in the fucking 1600s. Y'all feminists, put your pens down. I'm talking about the 1600s. The woman cooked The man hunts and chops. 00:47:19 Speaker 3: Wood for the fire. 00:47:21 Speaker 2: He can't hunt. He's sorry as shit. 00:47:23 Speaker 3: Motherfucker can't hunt. He can't gather. He can't do shit. But he can chop some wood. 00:47:30 Speaker 2: There's a reason why he dies under all of that wood that he chopped. He's buried by his own pride. His pride kept him at that fucking farm. He kept chopping wood because it came to nothing else. And Black Phillip was like, cool, you about to die under all that shit. 00:47:48 Speaker 1: He had been fighting with Black Phillip earlier to put him back in that pen. He did. 00:47:51 Speaker 3: He was holding him and then when

he fell, the little kids started laughing at him. They were some assholes. 00:47:57 Speaker 1: They were. 00:47:58 Speaker 3: They were some assholes. Them little kids were some assholes. 00:48:07 Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, because we didn't talk about the fact that the crops started going bad. 00:48:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, the corn. 00:48:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, the corn starts going bad. Then right around the same time, Thomason is going to get eggs. She drops the egg and there's like a chicken inside of it. So there's all of this stuff where it's like everything there is going bad. 00:48:26 Speaker 3: So we're now coming to the final couple of scenes. Catherine comes out and she blames Thomason for everything. She tries to strangle her, forcing Thomason to kill her with this... Yeah, this is crazy. hook knife thing. I'm not sure what that is. Yeah, what'd you think about this part, Rod? You said it's crazy. 00:48:42 Speaker 1: Um. 00:48:43 Speaker 3: Because you could tell that she didn't want to kill her. She was saying, I love you. 00:48:48 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love you. 00:48:50 Speaker 4: And even the way she did it was just so Shakespearean almost. You know what I mean? Because she was just like, she couldn't even look at it when she did it. She was just like, I just need to get you off of me or whatever. And I was just like, damn. And then that was a really good wide shot of when she was laying on her with the blood and You could see the cabin in the back. 00:49:10 Speaker 3: I was like, man, this is beautiful. 00:49:12 Speaker 4: Like you just made this murderous scene beautiful for some reason. 00:49:16 Speaker 3: So like, yeah, yeah. 00:49:18 Speaker 4: Now this was really good. Like, this was executed really well. Because she even held her afterwards, too. Like, I was like, damn. And then she had to throw her off of her. So, it was just this moment of, man, it's a moment of emotions, right? Like, different type of emotions going through. But, yeah, no, this was done really, really, really well. I like this scene a lot. 00:49:40 Speaker 1: And we could go back to, like, before, because when he woke up, she's sleeping. Oh, she's sleeping. 00:49:48 Speaker 3: Like, that really happened. Right. 00:49:50 Speaker 1: Yeah. If that never happened, if Caleb and Sam didn't come back, she may not have broken like she did. So that was the final straw to send her over there to fully, like, endorse Thomas in for every single thing that happened. and that's why she was like, I'm going to kill you because this is all your fault. You know, so, and she hit her the first time, and I thought that, I was like, oh, I thought it was going to be one of those scenes where she hit her, the adrenaline's going to keep pumping, and then she's just going to bleed out. But nah, she kept trying to kill her, and then she just, you know, just, of course, just took her out. But I thought it, the, her saying, I love you, I love you, I love you, almost was like a sign of desperation. I didn't know what else to say. Oh, no, I think she meant it. Okay. Maybe this will bring you out of that rage if I tell you that I love you. 00:50:45 Speaker 3: I can see that, too. 00:50:46 Speaker 1: And maybe this will kind of get you up off me. But it didn't work, and she had no choice. It was either you or me. And it ended up killing the bomb, and that's everybody. Yep. Yep. 00:50:59 Speaker 2: I think I get what you're saying, and it's probably both things, because there's a scene earlier where I can't remember exactly what it was that happened, but there was a moment where Catherine realizes that she was wrong about Thomason. And she kisses her on the forehead. And then there's this look, because Anna Taylor-Joy killed this shit, too. There's a look on her face where you can tell she was just so happy that her mom was accepting her again. So I do think in this moment, she was doing both. She does mean it. 00:51:32 Speaker 3: I love you. Don't do this. But also... I'm telling you I love you because I want you to get your ass off me because you're fucking choking me. 00:51:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:51:41 Speaker 2: But yeah, I agree with both of y'all. This was a beautiful fucking scene, man. It was just so, so well done. But now, Thomason is alone. So she enters the, well, we see her go in the house and she takes off the clothes that she had that were covered in her mother's blood and And I'm still not sure what that is that she puts on. 00:52:03 Speaker 3: I think it's her father's jacket. I can't tell. 00:52:06 Speaker 2: Y'all listeners, if y'all know, let me know. 00:52:10 Speaker 3: But she puts on. 00:52:11 Speaker 2: Like this big gray jacket and then she goes into the goat barn and she asks my boy Black Phillip to speak to her. 00:52:19 Speaker 3: And in this moment, Black. 00:52:20 Speaker 2: Phillip changes into a man and he talks to her about some offerings. He wants to give her some cool shit in order for her to sign his guest book. So what did y'all think of this scene, which is Thomason giving in to the devil. 00:52:36 Speaker 3: Would thou like the taste of butter? 00:52:39 Speaker 1: Man, I was like, God damn. 00:52:40 Speaker 3: That sounds good. Yeah, he did. 00:52:45 Speaker 1: I'll never forget when she walked in there and she started talking to Black Phillip. And I was like, that motherfucker ain't real. And when she got up to walk her and that motherfucker spoke, I was. 00:53:01 Speaker 3: Like, what the fuck? This motherfucker real? 00:53:05 Speaker 1: He been real this whole fucking time? I was like, ain't no fucking way. She got to be hallucinating or something. And she just freaking the fuck out. This whole part at the end really kind of tripped me out. I was like, what the fuck just happened? I was like, what did I just watch? And this motherfucker was like, yeah, you can just sign my guest book, and I got you. I'm going to give you every single thing that you want. So now I'm like,

okay, was he doing all this to get her this whole time, and that was his goal? Because when she killed her mom, that was like her first real sin that she committed. Yeah. Yeah. So that means she's no longer viewed as holy, therefore vulnerable, which is probably kind of what you were saying earlier about the twins maybe not being baptized, which is probably. 00:54:02 Speaker 3: Why he was able to get down. I'm pretty sure the kids weren't baptized. 00:54:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, but either way it goes, yeah. I'll never forget. Even now when that motherfucker starts speaking, I just like to expect, I can't believe this motherfucker been here this whole time. 00:54:14 Speaker 4: No, it was a really good moment because, like I said, we hadn't heard him. I know we kind of heard him through Caleb, but it wasn't quite his voice. 00:54:24 Speaker 3: It wasn't him. And I was like, oh, God. Same thing, King. Like, oh, damn, this motherfucker real. 00:54:28 Speaker 4: Like, this motherfucker really been talking to these kids, really been influencing and all of the things or whatever. 00:54:35 Speaker 3: So, yeah, at this point, yeah, she has nothing. 00:54:40 Speaker 4: You know what I mean? And if you look throughout the movie. They were kind of working her ass. They were really working her ass. So now he's like, look, you get to be free. You can do whatever you want to do. You ain't got to be under the rules of a family anymore. 00:54:54 Speaker 3: You can do this. I can take you wherever you want to go, wherever your heart desires. 00:54:58 Speaker 1: Pimp talk, right? 00:54:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. You want to go to the top? 00:55:01 Speaker 4: I can take you to the top. 00:55:06 Speaker 3: But I was wondering, like, so. 00:55:12 Speaker 4: So is this how witches are formed? Or is this how witches are made? Are they corrupted young women at some point? Or, like, you know, like, do they start off as, like, Thomason? And then certain things through life kind of turn them at some point. 00:55:29 Speaker 3: Like, I did have that thought. But no, no, yeah, this was good, though. 00:55:35 Speaker 1: This was good. 00:55:36 Speaker 3: I had another point I wanted to make. 00:55:38 Speaker 4: Another thing I wanted to say too about the overall theme of it all is just like as soon as they left the safety of that community, they were vulnerable to the evils of the world or whatever. I was just like, damn, this is really. 00:55:52 Speaker 1: Why don't you go to church with your... No, that's basically what they were saying. Like, stay your ass in church. 00:55:57 Speaker 3: The communities really did believe that. 00:55:58 Speaker 2: They really did believe if you leave this settlement, you are going to get corrupted. There is a wall. You remember The Village, the movie The Village? It was basically that same idea. 00:56:07 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:56:08 Speaker 2: But what I think what's interesting is they do the same thing on the farm. You're not to go in the woods.

You don't leave the perimeter of this farm because you will be vulnerable. 00:56:17 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:56:18 Speaker 2: But... I agree with y'all. I vividly, and I'm talking about vividly, remember the first time I saw this shit, when someone said, hell no, when Black Phillip started. 00:56:31 Speaker 3: Talking about it. 00:56:32 Speaker 2: Because you can't, and I'll admit, I didn't think Black Phillip was real either. I thought it was just the witch that was doing everything. And I thought she possessed that goddamn goat to kill William. At no point did I think Black Phillip was Satan. So when Black Phillip was like, hey, girl. Hey, you want a pretty dress? 00:56:52 Speaker 1: Right. 00:56:53 Speaker 3: Do you want some butter? 00:56:54 Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. 00:56:55 Speaker 3: Wouldst thou like to live deliciously? 00:56:57 Speaker 2: I was like, this motherfucking Black Phillip goat is talking to this girl? 00:57:03 Speaker 3: And he said, girl, he said, take off your clothes. Oh, Jesus. 00:57:06 Speaker 2: Get naked and sign my book. I was like, this is insane. 00:57:11 Speaker 1: It was. 00:57:12 Speaker 3: But here's the thing also. Robert Eggers based this off of research. 00:57:18 Speaker 2: When they found people that had been accused of being witches back in the day, a lot of them said that the whole reason they became like, quote unquote, corrupted is because the devil offered them what we would consider very simple things. 00:57:34 Speaker 1: Butter. 00:57:36 Speaker 2: Good butter back in them days was like a hot commodity. 00:57:41 Speaker 3: Pretty dresses. 00:57:43 Speaker 2: And the whole live deliciously idea is basically like today, black philip was diddy black philip is diddy telling these motherfuckers look do you want to be rich for the rest of your life do you want to fly in planes jets do you want all the hoes then sign your name in my book it's the same idea it's just this is what was hot back in these days butter pretty dresses because i remember the first time i watched i'm like butter she could just make some fucking butter right But not good butter. Not no Land O'Lakes, you know what I'm saying? But yeah, I think this whole scene was so fucking good. My only tiny, tiny, tiny gripe is it's a little bit too dark. Because you can tell Black Phillip changing to a person, but you can never really see his face. That's my only small, and it's not even like a real gripe. 00:58:37 Speaker 3: I actually like that. I like that it's dark, but it's too dark. 00:58:41 Speaker 4: I like that you kind of just see him kind of walking in the back or whatever behind her, and you see his hand. 00:58:47 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, it's artsy. 00:58:49 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? 00:58:49 Speaker 3: It is artsy. I guess I just want to see it. I don't know. 00:58:51 Speaker 1: I got you. 00:58:51 Speaker 2: I guess it's a selfish thing. I do agree with you. It was done well. I'm just curious about what he'd look like. I don't think you

would have been satisfied. 00:58:59 Speaker 3: I think... Maybe. Maybe. You know what I'm saying? 00:59:03 Speaker 4: I think, unless they really did a good job on the appearance of him, which he tends to do, actually. 00:59:08 Speaker 3: He would have just been a white man. He wouldn't have been like that. red guy with horns. That would have been, like, this is. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, yeah, I think this was the safe route. 00:59:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. 00:59:16 Speaker 3: I think to just, this, this, well, he's not an entity. He was a real thing. But, like, well, I guess that's the thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But, so, yeah, you just don't really kind of see him or whatever. I actually like that. No, yeah, I agree with you. Mm-hmm. I don't know. I guess it's just, I don't know. 00:59:32 Speaker 2: But yeah, anyway, I like how she's like, I can't write my name. 00:59:36 Speaker 3: And he's like, I'll guide your hand. 00:59:38 Speaker 1: Wait, what? 00:59:39 Speaker 3: She said, I can't write my name? 00:59:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, he said, all you got to do is write your name in my book. And she says, basically, I can't write my name. Like, I don't think she knows how to write. Women back then, you know, especially since she left the fucking plantation, she probably didn't know how to write. So he's like, I'll guide your hand. I just thought that shit was dope. It was just the way he said it. 00:59:59 Speaker 1: He was laying it down, bro. 01:00:00 Speaker 3: He was laying that shit down. 01:00:01 Speaker 1: Pimp came strong, kid. Yeah, he was, man. 01:00:03 Speaker 3: Pimp came strong. 01:00:04 Speaker 2: He got this butt-necked-ass girl in here, and he's like, girl, I got you from here out. 01:00:08 Speaker 3: Anything you want. 01:00:09 Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. 01:00:10 Speaker 2: So, in the final scene, Thomason wakes up, and she walks up to, not sorry, she doesn't wake up. 01:00:16 Speaker 3: She's already awake. 01:00:17 Speaker 2: She walks up to a witch's Sabbath, where a group of neck-and-ass witches are chanting, and then they begin to levitate. And then Thomason begins to levitate as well, and the movie ends. Now, this ending is controversial to some. A lot of folks love the movie, but they think the ending is corny. I thought it was perfect. I thought it was fucking perfect. But what did y'all think. 01:00:44 Speaker 3: Of this ending? 01:00:45 Speaker 1: Why do they think the ending is corny? 01:00:48 Speaker 3: Because the witches start flying. 01:00:50 Speaker 2: And I think a lot of folks will watch this and they'll be like, well, look, I think it's cool because, you know, a lot of things can be explained off as not really being supernatural. It could just be that they're seeing things or hallucinating, but then you get to the end and these motherfuckers are floating. And they're like, this is dumb. 01:01:05 Speaker 5: Okay. 01:01:05 Speaker 1: All right. So what you're saying is that they can basically explain some

way, somehow, a talking black goat that turns into a man. That's what I'm saying. 01:01:17 Speaker 3: What are we talking about? 01:01:19 Speaker 2: Y'all mad about some flying naked white women, but a black goat being a pimp. 01:01:24 Speaker 3: A black pimp goat is completely fine. 01:01:28 Speaker 1: But a floating white woman. 01:01:29 Speaker 3: Oh, hell no. No, I'm done. You went too far. Flying naked white women too far. Chill out, man. 01:01:40 Speaker 1: Oh, man. Again, I like the ending because the ending played into the first... it's more than three quarters of the movie about everything. Just being this guy just ended up in this fucked up situation because of his pride to actually being Satan creating that because they left the safety and sanity rod of where they were to actually being like real. So it just added to it to me. Cause I'm like, dang this motherfucker. Cause, cause even to kind of like their point, I'm like, Well, maybe she still ain't, maybe she just hallucinates still, you know? And then this motherfucker started flying. Like, goddamn, all of this shit was fucking real. Like, this motherfucker really is, even though I did, we did see a witch earlier. But again, that could be just twisted them into people that ran away. That's just in the woods somewhere. They could just be around this damn fire just because they just came together, you know? 01:02:37 Speaker 3: And they're naked, so they're probably cold. 01:02:39 Speaker 1: Yeah. But for me, it was just more confirmation that all of this shit was real and her floating up. But yeah, I didn't think there was a controversy behind it, but that's crazy. 01:02:50 Speaker 3: People are silly. 01:02:51 Speaker 1: Yeah. What about you, Rob? 01:02:55 Speaker 3: Were you happy with the end? No, yeah, I was, especially the first time. 01:02:59 Speaker 4: Like I said, the second time, it didn't hit as hard, but the first time I watched it, it's like, yeah, it made sense. It was like the... The icing on the cake. Like, I mean, it was like saying it, saying without saying it. 01:03:12 Speaker 3: Like, yeah, she's a witch now. 01:03:13 Speaker 1: Yep. You know what I mean? 01:03:14 Speaker 4: Like, and what better way to do that than to show the other witches ascending and then showing her ascending. 01:03:19 Speaker 1: So it made sense. And it was so slow, too, the way they did it. And you just see the tree in the background, kind of. 01:03:24 Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's a close-up on her. 01:03:26 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:03:26 Speaker 3: And the next thing you know, it's like, damn, is she floating? 01:03:29 Speaker 1: Yep. 01:03:29 Speaker 3: Like, so yeah, it's like, yeah, so it's dope. It's really dope. 01:03:33 Speaker 4: And then she's smiling. She's happy about it. So I thought that was interesting. She lost her family, now she has another one. Now here's what I never thought. And I did not, again, I didn't realize this until recently. 01:03:45 Speaker 2: I never thought about the baptizing thing. 01:03:48 Speaker 3: So the reason I. 01:03:49 Speaker 2: Think that Mercy and Jonas were not baptized is because I think they were turned into more flying ointment. 01:03:57 Speaker 3: And that's why all of these witches could fly. 01:03:59 Speaker 2: Because we never see what happens to them. When they're in the barn, you see the witch lands, the witch turns around, they scream and then it cuts. So for the first three, four times of watching this film, I was just like, oh, I don't know what the hell happened to them. I'm pretty certain the witch took them back and they killed them and turned them into more ointment and that's why all these other witches could fly. 01:04:24 Speaker 3: So Thomas and Jonas' ass are dead. 01:04:27 Speaker 2: But again, I also like the whole nakedness versus nudity thing. These women have all sinned, clearly, because they're killing babies. So you have the whole, you know, they're out there with no clothes, but they have no shame in it. There's no shame in them being out in the woods, butt-ass naked. It just doesn't matter. Christian laws don't matter to them. And I thought it was a perfect ending. 01:04:54 Speaker 1: So, but wouldn't Thomasin need the flying ornament? 01:04:57 Speaker 2: That's the only part I don't all the way get. Because I don't know if this is something you have to smear on her. Because we don't see anything except for her mid-chest up. So I don't know if some... I mean, this is just trying to make this scene make sense. I don't know if someone smeared it on her and we're just not seeing it. 01:05:18 Speaker 3: I don't know. But she definitely floats. I mean, I don't know. 01:05:23 Speaker 2: But I definitely looked it up and it says that flying ointment was made from the crushed body's of unbaptized children that's fucking insane so it would make sense they got it from Samuel they got it from Mercy and they got it from Jonah otherwise they would have shown us Mercy and Jonas at some point. 01:05:47 Speaker 1: Yeah and they just ran it out so they needed another supply. 01:05:50 Speaker 2: Yes and these were bigger kids there was more to have so yes and that concludes the movie so yeah I was going to. 01:06:01 Speaker 4: Say real quick, it released 2015 in the Film Festival, and it had its theatrical release in 2016. 01:06:07 Speaker 3: That's why I was probably thinking 2015. 01:06:09 Speaker 1: And, of course, the obvious play on words, Thomasin. 01:06:13 Speaker 3: I picked that up this time, too. 01:06:15 Speaker 1: I didn't. 01:06:15 Speaker 3: Not until just now. Never thought about it. I thought you probably just left it out. No, I never thought about it. Thomasin, that's kind of corny. It is kind of, but. Yeah, I wish you wouldn't have said that. 01:06:27 Speaker 1: Sorry. 01:06:28 Speaker 2: That's actually really corny, if that's what they were going for. 01:06:33 Speaker 1: Maybe. I don't know. I just always thought it was a weird name for a woman. 01:06:36

Speaker 3: Yeah, Thomason. But yeah, I mean, that's really it. 01:06:39 Speaker 2: I think the entire movie is the witches. I thought, for the first few times, I thought the witches were doing all of this stuff on the farm to drive Thomason crazy, but I think it was actually Black Phillips. That was doing the shit. Black Phillip killed the crops. Black Phillip was, you know, taunting William. And I think the witches are just disciples of Black Phillip. That's why you see when she's walking towards the witch's Sabbath, Black Phillip is right there behind her. 01:07:09 Speaker 3: He's leading her to the Sabbath. 01:07:11 Speaker 1: His other woman. 01:07:13 Speaker 2: He had a whole fucking crew of white women. 01:07:15 Speaker 3: This was like, what's that porn? 01:07:17 Speaker 1: Black? 01:07:17 Speaker 3: That's what this is. Black.com. You got Black Phillip and a whole bunch of white. 01:07:23 Speaker 1: Bitches out in the woods, bro. I'm going to get you no matter what. You say, hey, man. Any means necessary. 01:07:29 Speaker 3: Any means. Any means means any means. But yeah. 01:07:32 Speaker 1: How about this for Christian propaganda, right? Stay with God, bro. Turned into a witch. You're going to get killed by a damn black goat. 01:07:42 Speaker 3: She look pretty happy leaving. I'm floating. I got the black goat. People living in the sand normally are happy. I'm pretty happy. We all are. 01:07:59 Speaker 1: But yeah, man. 01:08:00 Speaker 2: So this was a pretty good rewatch. I know, Rod, you didn't really love it as much as before, but you didn't hate it. 01:08:06 Speaker 4: No, absolutely not. I think it's a good movie. I think you hit it on the head. Once you've seen it, some of the impact is taken away. 01:08:16 Speaker 1: Sure. Yeah, you know. 01:08:16 Speaker 3: So that's all it was. 01:08:18 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:08:20 Speaker 2: Well, this was a fun revisiting. Definitely some comments about why Spike is foul as shit. 01:08:25 Speaker 3: Because it wasn't scary. 01:08:27 Speaker 2: It's really not scary. I think Spike is going to be boring. It's probably what he look like. 01:08:31 Speaker 3: It's actually interesting, bro. It's actually an interesting movie. He said, nah. 01:08:41 Speaker 1: It was just an apple. 01:08:42 Speaker 3: I ain't watch nobody throw up no ball, bro. 01:08:44 Speaker 5: Right. 01:08:45 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:08:45 Speaker 3: No, it was just an apple. But yeah, man, this was a fun re-watching. 01:08:50 Speaker 2: I've seen this movie I don't know how many times, and every time I see it, it just reaffirms why it's one of my favorites of the past however many years. so yeah thank y'all for listening any final thoughts all hearts and minds are 01:09:05 Speaker 4: Clear that's fitting that's fitting but yeah thank y'all for listening make sure you share this with a friend or six and let us know what other movies it does not have to be horror movies obviously let us know what other movies you want to see us do anniversary reviews of and we will see y'all next time we out peace