Stop Spiritually Bypassing your Trauma ၏ စာသားမှတ်တမ်းအပြည့်အစုံ

00:04:32.019 --> 00:04:35.759 a marriage counselor. And we were just really 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:40.040 praying and looking at someone to step into that 00:04:40.040 --> 00:04:43.379 role. We needed somebody we could trust. And 00:04:43.379 --> 00:04:45.800 so I had asked around, but we really just hadn't 00:04:45.800 --> 00:04:49.089 found anybody. And so I'm going to this retreat 00:04:49.089 --> 00:04:54.550 in Wyoming. I'm driving and my truck just outside 00:04:54.550 --> 00:04:59.540 of Pueblo, Colorado. broke a piston rod and shot 00:04:59.540 --> 00:05:01.899 it through the engine block and the truck did 00:05:01.899 --> 00:05:06.620 not go anymore. And so I really, you know, I 00:05:06.620 --> 00:05:09.120 was kind of fragile as I was going. I didn't 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:11.779 want to go on the trip. She had to talk to me. 00:05:12.060 --> 00:05:14.519 Yeah. Tiffany had to talk me into going on the 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:19.699 trip. And so anyway, I, I said, well, I'm, I 00:05:19.699 --> 00:05:22.620 really wasn't doing bad. I mean, I had pretty 00:05:22.620 --> 00:05:24.399 high spirits, but it was like, I'm just going 00:05:24.399 --> 00:05:26.079 to come home. I don't. I don't have anything 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:29.180 else to do. And, you know, we got my truck towed 00:05:29.180 --> 00:05:31.439 to Pueblo and I was stuck in Pueblo, Colorado 00:05:31.439 --> 00:05:35.519 for like two days. And Tiffany said, well, why 00:05:35.519 --> 00:05:37.040 don't you just rent a car and go on to Wyoming? 00:05:37.300 --> 00:05:40.079 I'm like, but that's ridiculous. Like, how am 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:41.339 I going to get home? Am I going to drive the 00:05:41.339 --> 00:05:43.160 car home? I don't know. My truck's going to be 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:44.920 done. I don't really know what's wrong with it. 00:05:44.980 --> 00:05:48.899 At that point, I didn't. So anyway, rented a 00:05:48.899 --> 00:05:51.220 car. I drove it all the way to Wyoming, like 00:05:51.220 --> 00:05:55.519 another 10 or 12 hours or something. I was. Two 00:05:55.519 --> 00:05:57.319 days late for the retreat and had to leave a 00:05:57.319 --> 00:05:59.800 day early because of how the flights worked out 00:05:59.800 --> 00:06:01.959 and everything. So I was just there for like 00:06:01.959 --> 00:06:05.399 a day and a half. While I was there, I met Jerry 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:11.040 Negrotto. And I just knew that we needed to keep 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:13.620 that connection. And so it was a little bit later, 00:06:13.699 --> 00:06:16.740 a few months later. Reached out to him. We had 00:06:16.740 --> 00:06:18.899 our first marriage counseling session with him. 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:23.540 And he kicked our butt, to be honest. And now 00:06:23.540 --> 00:06:26.139 he does it on the regular. But I consider him 00:06:26.139 --> 00:06:29.879 one of my closest friends. And I know that he's 00:06:29.879 --> 00:06:32.699 helped out many of our podcast audience already. 00:06:32.839 --> 00:06:35.399 And you guys are going to absolutely love him. 00:06:36.860 --> 00:06:41.439 So enjoy this conversation with our dear friend, 00:06:41.680 --> 00:07:02.139 Jerry Negrotto. For us, making the decision to 00:07:02.139 --> 00:07:05.019 be healthy was not just a choice, but really 00:07:05.019 --> 00:07:08.439 it was a necessity. Not only were our bodies 00:07:08.439 --> 00:07:11.300 breaking down, but we were mentally exhausted, 00:07:11.620 --> 00:07:15.100 our marriage was rocky, our spirit was drained. 00:07:15.680 --> 00:07:18.540 And though to many we appeared like we were fine, 00:07:18.680 --> 00:07:21.279 we were deeply broken and really on the verge 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:25.579 of crumbling. In John 10 .10, it says the thief 00:07:25.579 --> 00:07:29.319 comes to steal, to kill. and to destroy, but 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:31.759 I, Jesus, have come that you might have life 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:35.699 and have it more abundantly. See, that's not 00:07:35.699 --> 00:07:38.860 just a physical thing. It's not just a mental 00:07:38.860 --> 00:07:42.540 thing. It's not just a relational thing or even 00:07:42.540 --> 00:07:46.579 a spiritual thing, but it's a total health thing. 00:07:46.899 --> 00:07:50.240 At the beginning of 2025, we invited our church 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:52.920 to come along our health journey, and we issued 00:07:52.920 --> 00:07:55.930 a total health challenge. A monthly goal of health 00:07:55.930 --> 00:07:58.889 in our diet, our exercise, our mental, spiritual, 00:07:59.189 --> 00:08:02.290 emotional, and relational life. And many of you 00:08:02.290 --> 00:08:05.949 rose to that challenge. On October 9th, we were 00:08:05.949 --> 00:08:07.949 meeting with our marriage counselor, and Holy 00:08:07.949 --> 00:08:10.750 Spirit dropped in my heart to bring a first -of 00:08:10.750 --> 00:08:13.889 -its -kind health conference. A weekend dedicated 00:08:13.889 --> 00:08:16.750 to total health. And now I can't do anything 00:08:16.750 --> 00:08:20.110 halfway, and so we've got to bring something 00:08:20.110 --> 00:08:23.420 that's special. something that's memorable, life 00:08:23.420 --> 00:08:26.420 -changing, but not only that, we have to do it 00:08:26.420 --> 00:08:29.259 with excellence. So we've got, in my opinion, 00:08:29.279 --> 00:08:31.600 some of the best speakers in the country who 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:35.899 I'm also privileged to call my familia. And they're 00:08:35.899 --> 00:08:38.500 going to bring a transformative perspective on 00:08:38.500 --> 00:08:42.340 health. Church, this isn't just for some, it's 00:08:42.340 --> 00:08:45.740 for everyone. Let me give you a few stats. 20 00:08:45.740 --> 00:08:49.320 % of Americans battle with anxiety. 18 % are 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:52.620 being treated for depression. 40 % struggle with 00:08:52.620 --> 00:08:56.220 weight and obesity, and 45 % of marriages end 00:08:56.220 --> 00:08:59.259 in divorce. This is not

the way of our Father. 00:08:59.539 --> 00:09:02.360 This is not the abundant life that Jesus came 00:09:02.360 --> 00:09:06.360 to give us. In fact, Romans 14, 17 says, The 00:09:06.360 --> 00:09:09.879 kingdom of God is life, peace, and joy in the 00:09:09.879 --> 00:09:12.799 Holy Spirit. So we're doing something about it. 00:09:13.200 --> 00:09:15.539 Now this isn't just a conference where we're 00:09:15.539 --> 00:09:18.240 going to eat kale and do jazzercise and shame 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:21.049 you for how unhealthy your choices are. We're 00:09:21.049 --> 00:09:23.730 giving real practical solutions from the Word 00:09:23.730 --> 00:09:27.350 of God for you to get off the cycle of struggle 00:09:27.350 --> 00:09:29.570 and to bring you to a place where you thrive 00:09:29.570 --> 00:09:32.529 in this life. We're going to have powerful worship. 00:09:32.889 --> 00:09:35.509 We're going to have messages from world -renowned 00:09:35.509 --> 00:09:38.710 speakers, but we're also going to have five -star 00:09:38.710 --> 00:09:42.929 catered meals, impactful breakouts, and even 00:09:42.929 --> 00:09:46.889 a unique time of worship workout that you don't 00:09:46.889 --> 00:09:50.419 want to miss and so much more. So would you join 00:09:50.419 --> 00:09:54.139 us September 11th through the 13th right here 00:09:54.139 --> 00:09:58.059 at Word of Life for our first Thrive Health Conference. 00:09:58.419 --> 00:10:01.379 Mark your calendars now, and I know that you'll 00:10:01.379 --> 00:10:13.799 be blessed. Well, hey, what's up, everybody? 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:18.799 We are here today with a very, very dear friend. 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:21.220 And as you'll know, as we continue to talk about 00:10:21.220 --> 00:10:26.080 this, I would say more than a friend, Jerry Negrotto. 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:30.470 Jerry knows. More about us than just about anybody. 00:10:31.110 --> 00:10:34.529 And I wouldn't say he's seen the real bad because 00:10:34.529 --> 00:10:36.889 we didn't know him when it was real bad. But 00:10:36.889 --> 00:10:40.570 Jerry knows a lot of the dirty secrets and he 00:10:40.570 --> 00:10:43.090 helps us through stuff and counsels us in our 00:10:43.090 --> 00:10:46.610 marriage. And we're very thankful to him. So, 00:10:46.690 --> 00:10:51.809 Jerry, hello. Hey, guys. Gosh, so excited to 00:10:51.809 --> 00:10:55.509 be here with you. And, you know, Jason, Tiffany, 00:10:55.730 --> 00:10:58.600 I kind of a privilege that I get to. Walk through 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:00.779 some tough stuff with you at times. You guys 00:11:00.779 --> 00:11:04.399 are awesome. Everybody watching this, if this 00:11:04.399 --> 00:11:07.159 is your pastors, they are awesome, wonderful, 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:11.139 beautiful people. We didn't pay him to say that, 00:11:11.139 --> 00:11:16.519 but we appreciate it. The SPACs are not without 00:11:16.519 --> 00:11:19.039 issues, but they're very good at working through 00:11:19.039 --> 00:11:22.399 their issues. And I get the privilege of doing 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:25.039 that with them as I have my own personal coach. 00:11:25.840 --> 00:11:33.539 As well. Yeah. Right. Absolutely. So, Jerry, 00:11:33.620 --> 00:11:35.500 maybe jump right in. Tell us a little bit about 00:11:35.500 --> 00:11:39.399 yourself, who you are, what you do, how you got 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:44.740 here. Yeah. I was ordained a pastor about 25 00:11:44.740 --> 00:11:48.639 years ago, did some church planting, worked in 00:11:48.639 --> 00:11:52.179 the Calvary Chapel movement for a long period 00:11:52.179 --> 00:11:58.389 of time. And last 15, 18 years, just been a life 00:11:58.389 --> 00:12:03.029 coach, soul transformational coach, if I can 00:12:03.029 --> 00:12:06.490 be a little more specific, just helping people 00:12:06.490 --> 00:12:10.549 work through the hard stuff. You know, I'm a 00:12:10.549 --> 00:12:15.029 guy who's experienced a lot of trauma, great 00:12:15.029 --> 00:12:19.539 amounts of trauma in his lifetime. As I saw God 00:12:19.539 --> 00:12:22.440 heal me and put me through a journey, I just 00:12:22.440 --> 00:12:24.419 wanted to be able to be there for others as well. 00:12:24.899 --> 00:12:27.200 When I say a lot of trauma, I think it'd be good 00:12:27.200 --> 00:12:29.440 for a little bit of background. I mean, when 00:12:29.440 --> 00:12:34.500 I was a kid in school, I was dyslexic. So, you 00:12:34.500 --> 00:12:38.659 know, in special classes, I got beat up and bullied 00:12:38.659 --> 00:12:42.360 and called all kinds of names, you know, in sixth, 00:12:42.460 --> 00:12:46.320 seventh, eighth grade. You know, so if there's 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:47.940 any parents that are listening, if your kids 00:12:47.940 --> 00:12:51.740 are being bullied, I really want you to connect 00:12:51.740 --> 00:12:54.919 with that with your kids, because that's traumatic 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:58.419 for a kid that age. So I didn't like I didn't 00:12:58.419 --> 00:13:01.419 like who I was. You know, I listened to the words 00:13:01.419 --> 00:13:06.379 of the bullies over time. It caused me to think 00:13:06.379 --> 00:13:08.840 of who am I? What's my identity? I didn't like 00:13:08.840 --> 00:13:12.820 who I was. So I started to self -medicate 14 00:13:12.820 --> 00:13:17.429 years old. And with that came a lot of really 00:13:17.429 --> 00:13:23.049 bad decisions. A young adult tried to get into 00:13:23.049 --> 00:13:27.330 the music industry in New Orleans. And I don't 00:13:27.330 --> 00:13:29.289 want to get into that story. I'll just say we 00:13:29.289 --> 00:13:32.470 had our own version of the Motley Crue lifestyle. 00:13:34.190 --> 00:13:38.769 With that, I ended up getting shot, ended up 00:13:38.769 --> 00:13:41.269 getting arrested a couple times and ended up 00:13:41.269 --> 00:13:46.539 getting stabbed. And so that's just more trauma 00:13:46.539 --> 00:13:51.299 was piling on top of each other. So I just kept

00:13:51.299 --> 00:13:55.879 self -medicating, going deeper into that world 00:13:55.879 --> 00:14:00.519 and that journey. Then I came to Christ at 30. 00:14:01.220 --> 00:14:04.860 He healed me of drugs, alcohol, sex addiction, 00:14:05.080 --> 00:14:09.220 but he didn't heal me of PTSD. Actually, I didn't 00:14:09.220 --> 00:14:13.379 even know I had PTSD. I mean, I was still self 00:14:13.379 --> 00:14:17.279 -medicating as a corporate businessman literally 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:20.720 three days before I came to Jesus and surrendered. 00:14:21.860 --> 00:14:26.960 And so my poor wife married me as a guy that 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:29.879 loved well, but also was, I'm just going to say, 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:34.100 pretty jacked up emotionally. And then I lost 00:14:34.100 --> 00:14:37.840 my daughter in 2019 traumatically, and that was 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:42.279 when my whole world changed. i basically lost 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:47.519 my mind i was diagnosed with complex ptsd so 00:14:47.519 --> 00:14:49.659 that what that is is when all your traumas lock 00:14:49.659 --> 00:14:55.620 hands lock arms and become one huge catastrophic 00:14:55.620 --> 00:15:01.259 experience and i mean seven years ago i didn't 00:15:01.259 --> 00:15:05.480 know my my address for for months so i had a 00:15:05.480 --> 00:15:09.039 choice to make i could um believe the psychiatrist 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:12.759 and the therapist who said, look, you're chronically 00:15:12.759 --> 00:15:15.799 depressed. You have high anxiety. I was on four 00:15:15.799 --> 00:15:20.700 medications. For me, it just made me even worse. 00:15:21.299 --> 00:15:24.259 I stayed on some of them for a period of time 00:15:24.259 --> 00:15:28.740 because I needed to. But I made a choice that 00:15:28.740 --> 00:15:31.899 I was going to get better. God is able to do 00:15:31.899 --> 00:15:34.679 anything. And I didn't care what the medical 00:15:34.679 --> 00:15:38.360 reports said. The doctor said, i made a choice 00:15:38.360 --> 00:15:42.500 that i was going to find a path of healing and 00:15:42.500 --> 00:15:46.960 it was god first and then it was therapy it was 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:50.399 doing the work it was facing and feeling the 00:15:50.399 --> 00:15:54.779 pain coming to an understanding of my emotions 00:15:54.779 --> 00:15:59.299 and how my thoughts were connected and doing 00:15:59.299 --> 00:16:04.110 some deep deep deep work literally To this day, 00:16:04.210 --> 00:16:07.830 I've moved from counseling and a psychiatrist 00:16:07.830 --> 00:16:11.889 now to coaching. I have a coach to this day, 00:16:12.110 --> 00:16:15.909 but I'm really healthy. And I get to help other 00:16:15.909 --> 00:16:20.129 people with the experience I went through. And 00:16:20.129 --> 00:16:22.190 you know Pastor Darren, he's on your board still, 00:16:22.389 --> 00:16:25.429 right? He asked me one day, he says, do you think 00:16:25.429 --> 00:16:29.929 everybody can get healed of

PTSD? I said, that's 00:16:29.929 --> 00:16:33.299 a big stretch to say everybody. but i believe 00:16:33.299 --> 00:16:36.840 a lot of people can yeah but the biggest challenge 00:16:36.840 --> 00:16:41.679 in front of them is will they do the work and 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:44.259 what it takes and do they have the resources 00:16:44.259 --> 00:16:48.899 to do that and i had all of that um at my access 00:16:48.899 --> 00:16:52.000 so yeah yeah you know i think that's really important 00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:56.299 to say you have to do the work um i think in 00:16:56.299 --> 00:17:02.139 our in I hate this phrase that I'm getting ready 00:17:02.139 --> 00:17:07.319 to use in our Western Christianity. And the reason 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:09.539 why I hate that phrase is because I think it's 00:17:09.539 --> 00:17:12.259 thrown around way too much. And, you know, people 00:17:12.259 --> 00:17:13.980 are people all over the world. I've been all 00:17:13.980 --> 00:17:15.920 over the world and people are people. But I think 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:22.420 even more so uniquely Western, we want things 00:17:22.420 --> 00:17:27.970 instantaneously. it's the microwave culture the 00:17:27.970 --> 00:17:31.990 the netflix culture the doordash culture i mean 00:17:31.990 --> 00:17:35.529 whatever you want to call it um streaming music 00:17:35.529 --> 00:17:37.869 at our fingertips you know we we want all of 00:17:37.869 --> 00:17:43.130 these things instantaneously but that's that's 00:17:43.130 --> 00:17:46.640 not the jesus way The Jesus way is finding the 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:50.539 root of something. And, you know, many times, 00:17:50.539 --> 00:17:53.680 and I've been criticized for this some over the 00:17:53.680 --> 00:17:56.880 years, that there's a lot of things that I don't 00:17:56.880 --> 00:18:02.539 pray for in a healing line. Because I just don't 00:18:02.539 --> 00:18:08.559 think that there are, maybe let me backtrack, 00:18:08.579 --> 00:18:12.140 there are many, many cases where the problem 00:18:12.140 --> 00:18:16.390 is not solved. through the laying on of hands. 00:18:17.309 --> 00:18:20.309 You know, I'm not saying it's not solved through 00:18:20.309 --> 00:18:23.670 prayer, but it's solved in consistent praying, 00:18:23.789 --> 00:18:26.529 in walking through life with someone, in digging 00:18:26.529 --> 00:18:28.809 deep and doing the work and finding the root 00:18:28.809 --> 00:18:34.190 of the problem. When I was a mess in 2019, I 00:18:34.190 --> 00:18:36.369 didn't know what needed to be fixed and what 00:18:36.369 --> 00:18:40.190 needed to be healed. You know, can't God do it 00:18:40.190 --> 00:18:43.759 in an instant? Well, maybe. Maybe God can do 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:48.319 it. I'm not limiting God. But if I don't know 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:50.900 what the problem is, if I didn't do the work 00:18:50.900 --> 00:18:54.440 to correct the mind, to correct the triggers, 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:58.799 to correct the relationships, then I'm going 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:02.559 to go right back to that place where I was. But 00:19:02.559 --> 00:19:05.619 it's the root of that issue that's causing the 00:19:05.619 --> 00:19:08.339 problems. When we get down to that root, then 00:19:08.339 --> 00:19:12.950 that's where healing begins. Yeah, absolutely. 00:19:13.750 --> 00:19:15.630 Meaning you'll even look at the book of James. 00:19:15.670 --> 00:19:17.829 It says if you're sick, call the elders. They'll 00:19:17.829 --> 00:19:21.289 lay hands on you. Their faith will make you well. 00:19:21.450 --> 00:19:23.690 But it also then goes on to say that you confess 00:19:23.690 --> 00:19:26.230 your sins to one another so that you may be healed. 00:19:26.630 --> 00:19:28.990 And so there's work. It's right. Am I willing 00:19:28.990 --> 00:19:34.750 to confess what sin? But I take that even further. 00:19:34.849 --> 00:19:37.309 Am I willing to do the work? It starts with the 00:19:37.309 --> 00:19:40.130 confession. It starts with taking ownership for 00:19:40.130 --> 00:19:43.910 your part of what's going on in your life, the 00:19:43.910 --> 00:19:46.990 pain that you're facing, and the suffering that 00:19:46.990 --> 00:19:49.950 you're going through. What part is yours? Are 00:19:49.950 --> 00:19:52.250 you going to talk about that? Confess. Say it 00:19:52.250 --> 00:19:57.309 out loud. Do the work. i wish i wish there were 00:19:57.309 --> 00:20:00.049 more uh healings that just bam happened like 00:20:00.049 --> 00:20:05.309 that but yeah usually not the case um we have 00:20:05.309 --> 00:20:07.829 to make the choices to to do the hard work i 00:20:07.829 --> 00:20:10.410 like to call it face and feel yes we need to 00:20:10.410 --> 00:20:14.190 be willing to face the pain in front of us we 00:20:14.190 --> 00:20:17.450 need to be willing to face the consequences in 00:20:17.450 --> 00:20:20.740 front of us we need to be willing to face whatever's 00:20:20.740 --> 00:20:23.839 put before us so that we can we can do the work 00:20:23.839 --> 00:20:26.640 and if it's painful we got to be willing to feel 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:29.420 the pain yeah yeah i think that's the biggest 00:20:29.420 --> 00:20:32.400 part of our human condition is we we don't we 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:35.599 don't want to be in pain and we book of lamentations 00:20:35.599 --> 00:20:39.500 right god invites us into suffering that's right 00:20:39.500 --> 00:20:42.140 that's right That's not something that's talked 00:20:42.140 --> 00:20:45.259 about a lot in the church because I think we're 00:20:45.259 --> 00:20:49.160 afraid of the topic in some ways. And then we 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:52.180 talk about this a lot on this podcast. We're 00:20:52.180 --> 00:20:56.039 from a Word of Faith background and still believe 00:20:56.039 --> 00:20:58.539 very much in the Word of Faith. But I think that 00:20:58.539 --> 00:21:02.400 one thing that we fell short on maybe in traditional

00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:07.319 Word of Faith teaching is that we're constantly 00:21:08.380 --> 00:21:11.019 Um, we, we feel like we, to use your phrase, 00:21:11.180 --> 00:21:13.480 not your phrase, but you say it a lot. Um, we 00:21:13.480 --> 00:21:15.279 constantly feel like we have to faith it till 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:21.180 we make it. Um, and we, we negate things like, 00:21:21.180 --> 00:21:24.779 like therapy, like having a coach, like, because 00:21:24.779 --> 00:21:29.119 we, we, we think if we were to say what our problems 00:21:29.119 --> 00:21:33.279 really are, rather than I'm blessed and highly 00:21:33.279 --> 00:21:35.000 favored of God, this is the third straight pocket. 00:21:35.140 --> 00:21:42.299 I talked about this. We then negate the thing 00:21:42.299 --> 00:21:45.319 that God is trying to do in us. I'm not saying 00:21:45.319 --> 00:21:48.039 that God is the source of your pain, but there's 00:21:48.039 --> 00:21:49.900 an enemy in the world that has brought pain into 00:21:49.900 --> 00:21:52.180 your life. But when we come to the realization 00:21:52.180 --> 00:21:54.880 that, hey, I've got this issue, I've got this 00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:59.640 problem, and I want to walk through it with someone 00:21:59.640 --> 00:22:05.240 and be honest. Talk about the spiritual side 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:08.240 of therapy, and then we'll talk about the physical 00:22:08.240 --> 00:22:11.940 side in a minute. Yeah, the spiritual side. That 00:22:11.940 --> 00:22:17.480 was a very interesting question. First thing 00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:20.740 I want to say is that we have to be real careful 00:22:20.740 --> 00:22:23.240 that we don't spiritually bypass what God is 00:22:23.240 --> 00:22:27.799 doing and why we're suffering and why we're... 00:22:28.910 --> 00:22:31.630 have experienced the things we've experienced 00:22:31.630 --> 00:22:33.869 right you're saying like faith until we make 00:22:33.869 --> 00:22:36.549 it to me that's almost like wow that could be 00:22:36.549 --> 00:22:38.829 spiritual bypassing i don't know if you've heard 00:22:38.829 --> 00:22:42.450 that term before it's good determine in the coaching 00:22:42.450 --> 00:22:46.230 world um and it can kind of wreck some people 00:22:46.230 --> 00:22:48.690 and make some people kind of pissed about that 00:22:48.690 --> 00:22:51.920 but yeah What are we bypassing? We're just going 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:53.480 to pray. Well, God's going to make me better. 00:22:53.579 --> 00:22:55.319 I'm going to pray. Yes, I've been diagnosed with 00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:58.059 PTSD. I have chronic depression. I'm on medications. 00:22:58.680 --> 00:23:00.420 But I'm just going to keep praying. It's like, 00:23:00.460 --> 00:23:02.000 well, how long have you been praying for? Well, 00:23:02.039 --> 00:23:06.940 for five years. Okay, well, maybe you need to 00:23:06.940 --> 00:23:09.680 go do the work. Yeah, yeah. Stop spiritually 00:23:09.680 --> 00:23:13.559 bypassing. Keep

praying and do the work and pray 00:23:13.559 --> 00:23:15.420 while you're doing the work. We got to do the 00:23:15.420 --> 00:23:21.359 work. But the spiritual side of... You know, 00:23:21.380 --> 00:23:24.599 that's a really, that's a deep question. It's 00:23:24.599 --> 00:23:28.779 almost a Pandora's box, man. Because therapy, 00:23:29.000 --> 00:23:36.059 right, and counseling, and then just biblical 00:23:36.059 --> 00:23:38.799 counseling, but therapeutic tools, how do you 00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:41.299 combine the two? Where's the spirit? Where's 00:23:41.299 --> 00:23:44.140 the work? The first thing that comes to mind 00:23:44.140 --> 00:23:49.230 is... Spiritual part of therapy, this is my personal 00:23:49.230 --> 00:23:51.990 experience, and my clients embrace this. I see 00:23:51.990 --> 00:23:55.509 huge changes, is meditation. The Bible is very 00:23:55.509 --> 00:23:57.730 clear about meditation. Now, the problem is in 00:23:57.730 --> 00:23:59.589 the Western world, we don't really understand 00:23:59.589 --> 00:24:04.109 what that is at all. You go to the Eastern world, 00:24:04.210 --> 00:24:06.329 and they meditate. They know how to meditate. 00:24:06.529 --> 00:24:08.910 Even Jewish people, when they pray, I mean, it's 00:24:08.910 --> 00:24:13.230 different. And so what, what do I mean by that? 00:24:13.289 --> 00:24:15.710 We just, we had to learn how to slow our minds 00:24:15.710 --> 00:24:19.450 down. Yes. We have to, we have to learn to calm 00:24:19.450 --> 00:24:24.329 ourselves, slow our minds down so that we can 00:24:24.329 --> 00:24:27.390 connect with God because we need, we need his 00:24:27.390 --> 00:24:29.809 presence. We need to be able to hear from God. 00:24:30.230 --> 00:24:33.650 So for me, the spiritual part of therapy is teaching 00:24:33.650 --> 00:24:37.829 people how to meditate, how to slow down, how 00:24:37.829 --> 00:24:40.089 to listen for God. I mean, I have a lot of clients 00:24:40.089 --> 00:24:43.410 that will tell me, their first uh session where 00:24:43.410 --> 00:24:46.069 we just do a discovery call is i just i just 00:24:46.069 --> 00:24:48.390 need to be closer to god my life's wrecked i've 00:24:48.390 --> 00:24:50.369 done this i've made these choices but i need 00:24:50.369 --> 00:24:54.190 god in the equation yeah and um so meditation 00:24:54.190 --> 00:24:57.450 and so what do we meditate on i mean we we meditate 00:24:57.450 --> 00:25:01.230 on truth on god word that's totally biblical 00:25:01.230 --> 00:25:04.390 old testament new testament right because we're 00:25:04.390 --> 00:25:08.410 believing all these stories right of our past 00:25:08.410 --> 00:25:12.200 i mean think about me i mean Beat up, bullied, 00:25:12.460 --> 00:25:15.119 shot, stabbed, lose a daughter traumatically. 00:25:15.180 --> 00:25:19.700 How could God love me? Right? So if I'm not meditating 00:25:19.700 --> 00:25:24.000 on truth, God's truth about who I am, who he 00:25:24.000 --> 00:25:27.539

says I am, right? If I'm not believing those 00:25:27.539 --> 00:25:29.559 things, then what am I believing? I'm believing 00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:32.339 the other side. And the other side is dark. The 00:25:32.339 --> 00:25:37.119 other side is lies. And so meditating on truth, 00:25:37.339 --> 00:25:41.200 the promises of God. who he says i am i'm loved 00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:44.519 i'm accepted i am enough you know i think of 00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:46.779 giving this is this is huge i did a teaching 00:25:46.779 --> 00:25:52.299 on this gideon 6 11 you know and gideon um the 00:25:52.299 --> 00:25:54.460 angel of the lord comes to him and he's calling 00:25:54.460 --> 00:25:57.640 he says he's a mighty man of our vower you know 00:25:57.640 --> 00:26:00.359 this mighty man this warrior and gideon's like 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:02.980 well how can i be do you know the history of 00:26:02.980 --> 00:26:07.650 our clan And then he speaks forth truth and encouragement 00:26:07.650 --> 00:26:09.430 to him again. But you don't know. We're like 00:26:09.430 --> 00:26:12.369 the least of these. Our clan is the least of 00:26:12.369 --> 00:26:17.250 these. Gideon didn't have like self -worth. Right. 00:26:17.710 --> 00:26:21.549 He was he was like, I'm not enough. I'm not good 00:26:21.549 --> 00:26:25.349 enough. I can't I can't be this mighty warrior. 00:26:25.509 --> 00:26:29.009 And that that kind of curse is on us as humans. 00:26:29.690 --> 00:26:32.109 yeah so we need to meditate we need to meditate 00:26:32.109 --> 00:26:35.670 on truth it says in proverbs as a man thinks 00:26:35.670 --> 00:26:40.369 about himself that's what he believes he becomes 00:26:40.369 --> 00:26:45.269 so our thoughts what we're thinking so i work 00:26:45.269 --> 00:26:49.390 with clients another spiritual element of the 00:26:49.390 --> 00:26:54.950 work that i do is working with our thoughts yes 00:26:54.950 --> 00:26:57.430 why are you thinking thoughts what is your past 00:26:57.430 --> 00:27:03.069 story um let's let's it's cbt in the therapeutic 00:27:03.069 --> 00:27:06.069 world but in the coaching world they just call 00:27:06.069 --> 00:27:09.470 it this we have to notice our thoughts second 00:27:09.470 --> 00:27:12.690 corinthians 10 5 notice our thoughts take everything 00:27:12.690 --> 00:27:16.609 captive right yes right number two it's romans 00:27:16.609 --> 00:27:19.150 12. we need to renew our minds with god's word 00:27:19.150 --> 00:27:22.809 because that's what transforms us a renewed mind 00:27:22.809 --> 00:27:25.529 thinking differently thoughts again number three 00:27:25.529 --> 00:27:29.190 uh we choose to Choose what we think about, what 00:27:29.190 --> 00:27:31.650 we dwell on. It needs to be truth, God -honoring, 00:27:31.750 --> 00:27:34.470 life -giving, beautiful, good things, Philippians 00:27:34.470 --> 00:27:39.069 4 .8. Choose what you think about. So for me, 00:27:39.130 --> 00:27:43.250 spiritual therapy is those two components

is 00:27:43.250 --> 00:27:45.690 where we start with the meditation, calming the 00:27:45.690 --> 00:27:49.509 mind, hearing God, understanding your thoughts, 00:27:49.670 --> 00:27:57.720 and moving from there. It's really interesting 00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:02.059 as you say those things because so many practices, 00:28:02.180 --> 00:28:08.079 as I'm learning, in the therapy world, when we're 00:28:08.079 --> 00:28:11.599 talking about mental illness, mental anguish, 00:28:11.660 --> 00:28:14.980 PTSD, trauma, all of those things, addiction, 00:28:15.240 --> 00:28:22.140 many of those things are biblical, even though 00:28:22.140 --> 00:28:28.130 many times they're attributed. to um to science 00:28:28.130 --> 00:28:31.130 and and i think i said that really poorly but 00:28:31.130 --> 00:28:34.109 um but they are scientific but science is is 00:28:34.109 --> 00:28:37.269 proving the scripture um you know things like 00:28:37.269 --> 00:28:42.430 meditation um my um my pastor pastor david emi 00:28:42.430 --> 00:28:45.930 um who's gone to to be with jesus but david might 00:28:45.930 --> 00:28:50.319 always say that meditation is incubation As we're 00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:53.319 meditating, it's things that are growing on the 00:28:53.319 --> 00:28:56.740 inside of us that are not incubated on the inside 00:28:56.740 --> 00:29:00.200 of us. When we talk about Romans 12 .1 and renewing 00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:03.420 our mind, you know, science and neuroscience 00:29:03.420 --> 00:29:08.359 would call that. Oh, and I lost the word. Tell 00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:11.000 me what that word is. You know that. Neuroplasticity. 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:12.980 Oh, neuroplasticity. That's the word I was looking 00:29:12.980 --> 00:29:18.720 for. But it's amazing to think, we talked about 00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:21.079 this a few weeks ago on the podcast, how when 00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:23.339 we do things like pray the Lord's Prayer, how 00:29:23.339 --> 00:29:26.259 every one of those elements of the Lord's Prayer, 00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:28.480 they light up different parts of our brain. And 00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:30.259 as they light up different parts of our brain, 00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:33.079 then it's brain function and brain activity and 00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:35.519 God is healing us. There's so many different 00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:39.740 aspects that we tend to just shove it aside as, 00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:41.859 oh, you know, we don't need this because we're 00:29:41.859 --> 00:29:45.299 people of prayer and people of faith. And to 00:29:45.299 --> 00:29:49.079 me, it's operating by God's design. We're coming 00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:52.240 together in community. We're confessing our sins 00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:56.400 to one another that we may yield. I told somebody 00:29:56.400 --> 00:30:00.180 this the other day as we were discussing the 00:30:00.180 --> 00:30:03.440 whole, should I go to therapy? Should I not go 00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:06.960 to therapy? And is it a lack of faith if I do? 00:30:07.200 --> 00:30:11.839 And I said, why is it that we can go up in a 00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:16.079 prayer line? And believe that if somebody lays 00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:19.539 hands on us, that we'll be healed, that God works 00:30:19.539 --> 00:30:22.680 through them and the laying on of hands heals 00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:25.019 the sick. We believe it because it's biblical, 00:30:25.220 --> 00:30:28.539 right? But we don't have any problem with that. 00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:32.920 But I have a problem with the fact that I can 00:30:32.920 --> 00:30:36.200 go and talk to somebody and God can use a conversation 00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:39.220 that I have with somebody to bring healing to 00:30:39.220 --> 00:30:43.539 me. Why is that? It doesn't make any sense. I 00:30:43.539 --> 00:30:46.680 believe that God has placed these tools and this 00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:49.259 science and all of these things in our lives 00:30:49.259 --> 00:30:52.339 to bring healing to us. Well, think about it. 00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:57.759 We got to Romans 12, right? So we're transformed 00:30:57.759 --> 00:31:00.599 when our mind is renewed, which means we're thinking 00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:03.359 differently. Yes. Thinking more like God. We're 00:31:03.359 --> 00:31:05.099 thinking in a way that's aligned to the word. 00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:08.369 So when you go for counseling or coaching. And 00:31:08.369 --> 00:31:11.430 those are two different worlds. I did counseling 00:31:11.430 --> 00:31:14.529 for trauma counseling for three years, over 150 00:31:14.529 --> 00:31:17.990 sessions because I needed to. And then I moved 00:31:17.990 --> 00:31:22.130 to coaching. But that person's helping you do 00:31:22.130 --> 00:31:24.809 what? Think differently about your situation. 00:31:25.170 --> 00:31:28.029 Think differently about who you are and who God 00:31:28.029 --> 00:31:30.730 created you to be. So that is a renewal of the 00:31:30.730 --> 00:31:34.589 mind. And the byproduct is transformation. I'm 00:31:34.589 --> 00:31:36.609 going to think differently. I'm going to behave 00:31:36.609 --> 00:31:38.529 differently. I'm going to become differently. 00:31:38.829 --> 00:31:42.829 And something really cool, neuroscience, neurobiology. 00:31:42.849 --> 00:31:45.009 I love neurobiology because it's the brain -body 00:31:45.009 --> 00:31:48.130 connection. Dr. Andrew Huberman. There's Dr. 00:31:48.390 --> 00:31:52.089 Daniel Ammon out there. There's Dr. Lee Warren. 00:31:52.369 --> 00:31:55.289 Great podcast as well. Everybody should listen 00:31:55.289 --> 00:31:57.769 to Dr. Lee Warren. He's a Christian neurosurgeon. 00:32:00.109 --> 00:32:04.009 And the newest thing that has really blown my 00:32:04.009 --> 00:32:06.529 mind when it comes to science lining with God's 00:32:06.529 --> 00:32:10.170 word in Romans 12, they're saying that now the 00:32:10.170 --> 00:32:16.109 primary influencer of our emotions are our

thoughts. 00:32:16.309 --> 00:32:20.890 The thoughts we think have a huge, huge impact 00:32:20.890 --> 00:32:25.279 on our neurochemistry. So the thoughts we think 00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:30.420 are responsible for the chemicals that are released 00:32:30.420 --> 00:32:34.660 that create the emotions we experience. Think 00:32:34.660 --> 00:32:38.380 about that. So we got to almost like reverse 00:32:38.380 --> 00:32:40.880 engineer sometimes. A lot of times with my clients, 00:32:41.039 --> 00:32:43.019 I'll ask them, hey, I show them the emotions 00:32:43.019 --> 00:32:45.079 chart. What are the two strongest emotions you're 00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:47.980 experiencing today? Okay, great. What is causing 00:32:47.980 --> 00:32:52.359 that? Why? And we reverse engineer because usually 00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:54.960 if you keep going underneath your emotions, there's 00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:57.339 a thought that's driving that emotion. Yeah. 00:32:57.400 --> 00:32:59.839 Because science is telling us the thoughts release 00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:03.559 the emotions that create. I'm sorry. Science 00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:06.720 is saying that the thoughts create the chemicals 00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:11.519 that create and cause to have emotions or experience. 00:33:11.940 --> 00:33:14.299 Right. If we're living according to our emotions, 00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:16.599 we're going to make a lot of bad decisions. We're 00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:20.240 going to be just drama wrecks, drama queen. Drama 00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:22.740 kings, whatever the heck you want to call it. 00:33:23.019 --> 00:33:27.920 I think in talking about that, you know, identifying, 00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:33.019 being able to identify emotions, being able to 00:33:33.019 --> 00:33:35.880 identify triggers, being able to reverse engineer 00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:45.039 is a really vital part of our walking through 00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:49.420 this journey of healing. There's so many times, 00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:53.319 I know that, and you and I have talked about 00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:57.259 this, but there'll be times when an anxiety attack 00:33:57.259 --> 00:34:03.259 will come on me. And for the longest time, I 00:34:03.259 --> 00:34:06.880 had absolutely no idea why that came. I just 00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:10.880 know, hold on, I'm going to sneeze. Nope. Orange. 00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:13.059 All I needed to do was say it. Have you ever 00:34:13.059 --> 00:34:15.369 heard that if you say the word orange? That it 00:34:15.369 --> 00:34:19.949 goes away. I don't know. I don't know. Say orange. 00:34:20.050 --> 00:34:26.230 Come on. Yeah, I know. Okay. Yeah. So, yeah. 00:34:28.170 --> 00:34:31.250 But, but I had no idea why that came. And so 00:34:31.250 --> 00:34:34.050 I began to kind of, you know, reverse engineer 00:34:34.050 --> 00:34:39.780 that and say, okay. You know, maybe that there's 00:34:39.780 --> 00:34:41.760 there's this situation or that's it or I've dwelt 00:34:41.760

--> 00:34:43.940 on this or I've dwelt on that. And I think that 00:34:43.940 --> 00:34:46.159 that helps us, first of all, to recognize where 00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:51.460 it came from or when it's coming. And secondly, 00:34:51.860 --> 00:34:55.280 as we do that, then we can begin once again to 00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:59.780 start dealing with the root of that issue. And 00:34:59.780 --> 00:35:04.099 I'm far from an expert on on these things. This 00:35:04.099 --> 00:35:06.280 is just, you know, my experience and some of 00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:10.639 my study. Do you have anything to maybe give 00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:12.900 us a little more insight on that? Maybe I'm putting 00:35:12.900 --> 00:35:19.219 you on the spot. Yeah, no. So first thing I say 00:35:19.219 --> 00:35:24.239 is anxiety and fear are Siamese twins. Yes. Because 00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:27.559 fear is typical. We're fearful of something. 00:35:27.780 --> 00:35:30.300 We're ruminating over it. We're looping in our 00:35:30.300 --> 00:35:34.039 thoughts. Now we become anxious over it. Right. 00:35:34.079 --> 00:35:36.840 And now we say we have anxiety and we're really 00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:40.760 fearful about something because we can't control 00:35:40.760 --> 00:35:44.500 the outcome or we're projecting ourself out into 00:35:44.500 --> 00:35:47.000 the future and trying to figure out an outcome 00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:50.219 or manipulate an outcome. And so either way, 00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:54.420 fear and anxiety are Siamese twins. Just one 00:35:54.420 --> 00:35:57.340 kind of shows up. But it's important to remember 00:35:57.340 --> 00:36:01.710 that I call that future tripping. Right. myself, 00:36:01.730 --> 00:36:04.510 when I'm anxious, right? And it shows up in my 00:36:04.510 --> 00:36:08.630 body and my breath is off and I'm feeling that 00:36:08.630 --> 00:36:11.269 swirling in my chest or some people it's in their 00:36:11.269 --> 00:36:14.489 gut, they feel nauseous. They're typically future 00:36:14.489 --> 00:36:17.750 tripping, okay? Future tripping. Jesus talks 00:36:17.750 --> 00:36:20.070 about that. He tells us not to worry about tomorrow 00:36:20.070 --> 00:36:22.630 if it has enough worries of its own. So when 00:36:22.630 --> 00:36:24.989 we start worrying about tomorrow, next week, 00:36:25.250 --> 00:36:29.059 you know, a month out from now, that's... And 00:36:29.059 --> 00:36:32.800 when when those thoughts start to lock in and 00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:37.800 loop through our heads and we'll get just exhausted. 00:36:37.980 --> 00:36:41.559 And that's that's just the best, purest form 00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:47.960 of anxiety. Right. Yeah. Mm hmm. So Jerry, in 00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:52.019 action over the over the upcoming what's coming 00:36:52.019 --> 00:36:54.320 up and what's in front of you, and sometimes 00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:58.519 it's simple things and sometimes it's. big things. 00:36:58.780 --> 00:37:01.019 But here's another thing. They say that like 00:37:01.019 --> 00:37:04.539 literally only 15 % of what we worry about actually 00:37:04.539 --> 00:37:07.539 ever happens. And that number actually dropped 00:37:07.539 --> 00:37:11.519 to about 12%. Right. So why are we giving all 00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:15.900 this energy and all of mental and emotional energy? 00:37:17.179 --> 00:37:20.300 to future tripping because we'll we wear ourselves 00:37:20.300 --> 00:37:22.900 out and now we're so anxious we wear ourselves 00:37:22.900 --> 00:37:26.460 out guess what happens now now your anxiety morphs 00:37:26.460 --> 00:37:30.139 and shows up as depression yep yep because anxiety 00:37:30.139 --> 00:37:32.500 and depression can run in tandem with one another 00:37:32.500 --> 00:37:35.219 yes because you're not sleeping you're not and 00:37:35.219 --> 00:37:37.980 you just you're putting all this energy into 00:37:37.980 --> 00:37:40.699 it now you're you're depressed and you're thinking 00:37:40.699 --> 00:37:43.880 all these Other things are now that you're depressed 00:37:43.880 --> 00:37:45.900 and I'm not worthy. Nothing good is going to 00:37:45.900 --> 00:37:47.599 happen. The outcome is going to be terrible. 00:37:47.860 --> 00:37:50.500 Then you get go back in anxiety again because 00:37:50.500 --> 00:37:53.739 now I'm fearful. And so it kind of goes back 00:37:53.739 --> 00:37:56.719 to what do you do? You meditate, you pray, you 00:37:56.719 --> 00:37:59.039 go into the word of God and see what he has to 00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:02.460 say about your situation. But breath work also 00:38:02.460 --> 00:38:07.800 is very important when you're in a state of anxiety. 00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:11.769 That just means your nervous system. is revved 00:38:11.769 --> 00:38:14.289 up. Your nervous system has moved from baseline 00:38:14.289 --> 00:38:19.309 now to an elevated, vigilant, hypervigilant. 00:38:19.349 --> 00:38:22.269 Now you're going into hypervigilant. You're going 00:38:22.269 --> 00:38:28.289 into panic attacks. So the nervous system is 00:38:28.289 --> 00:38:30.449 revving and going higher and higher. And a lot 00:38:30.449 --> 00:38:32.070 of you guys know what I'm talking about as I 00:38:32.070 --> 00:38:35.750 say this. You cannot logic or talk yourself out 00:38:35.750 --> 00:38:40.579 of an anxiety attack or a panic attack. You can 00:38:40.579 --> 00:38:45.199 breathe yourself out of it. You need breath. 00:38:45.539 --> 00:38:47.920 How do you calm your nervous system? This is, 00:38:47.940 --> 00:38:51.920 again, neurobiology. Breath work is the newest 00:38:51.920 --> 00:38:56.000 thing across all modalities in the Christian 00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:59.320 therapeutic world. It's been there in the secular. 00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:02.219 It's in the integration, people who integrate. 00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:05.440 I would be considered an integrationist. I bring 00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:08.219 everything back to the Word of God. I seek the 00:39:08.219 -->

00:39:11.699 science. I make sure it's clean with what God 00:39:11.699 --> 00:39:14.099 would say about it. I take those therapeutic 00:39:14.099 --> 00:39:16.800 tools and I bring those into what I do with my 00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:22.039 clients. But breath, a breath work is so easy 00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:26.000 to get yourself out of a state of anxiety. Before 00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:28.880 you even go into the anxiety attack, you feel 00:39:28.880 --> 00:39:32.239 anxious. And when you breathe, think of breath. 00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:36.940 Breath is the language between your body and 00:39:36.940 --> 00:39:41.199 your brain. It's like a language. And so you're 00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:45.159 telling your body as you breathe, slower and 00:39:45.159 --> 00:39:49.199 deeper, I'm safe. I'm going to be okay. What 00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:51.519 you're scared about or afraid or future tripping 00:39:51.519 --> 00:39:55.139 over, we're not even there yet. Just calm down. 00:39:55.300 --> 00:39:57.820 And as you calm yourself down, your nervous system 00:39:57.820 --> 00:40:04.820 down, this slows down. And so breathwork is super, 00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:08.559 super important in the whole meditation. practice 00:40:08.559 --> 00:40:12.599 and some breath work breathing and saying things 00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:15.980 out loud that are true about you and true about 00:40:15.980 --> 00:40:19.400 god and who he says you are as a practice i do 00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:22.420 i call it call it meditation prayer breath work 00:40:22.420 --> 00:40:26.420 yeah you know um so i don't know if that answered 00:40:26.420 --> 00:40:29.719 your question no 100 and just as you were talking 00:40:29.719 --> 00:40:32.500 i had this thought um i believe by the holy spirit 00:40:32.500 --> 00:40:38.719 that whenever whenever adam in the garden was 00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:42.500 brought to life um what happened god breathed 00:40:42.500 --> 00:40:46.639 into him the breath of life right and so breath 00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:53.360 is very it's very biblical um in the upper room 00:40:53.360 --> 00:41:00.780 where i believe we i believe that we were restored 00:41:00.780 --> 00:41:06.400 we were restored to to god at at the cross we 00:41:06.400 --> 00:41:10.389 were restored to our divine purpose at Pentecost. 00:41:10.690 --> 00:41:13.369 And those of you who listened to the podcast, 00:41:13.610 --> 00:41:17.369 you've heard me talk about that. And if you go 00:41:17.369 --> 00:41:19.769 back and listen to, we have one on Pentecost 00:41:19.769 --> 00:41:22.469 that was a few months ago where we talked about 00:41:22.469 --> 00:41:27.949 this in detail. But when Holy Spirit came into 00:41:27.949 --> 00:41:30.769 the upper room as a rushing mighty wind, he filled 00:41:30.769 --> 00:41:33.619 the room with what? With air. i believe that 00:41:33.619 --> 00:41:36.179 as they were breathing they were breathing in 00:41:36.179 --> 00:41:38.400 once again the original breath that they were 00:41:38.400 --> 00:41:43.099 meant to breathe um as the breath of god and 00:41:43.099 --> 00:41:46.860 so as you're talking about that we can visualize 00:41:46.860 --> 00:41:50.260 in those moments that you know what i've got 00:41:50.260 --> 00:41:54.099 anxiety is anxiety of god no anxiety fear is 00:41:54.099 --> 00:41:56.440 not of god perfect love cast out faith that's 00:41:56.440 --> 00:41:59.579 what the scripture says so in those moments i 00:41:59.579 --> 00:42:04.170 stop And I say, what air am I breathing? I'm 00:42:04.170 --> 00:42:06.730 breathing the air of fear, but I'm supposed to 00:42:06.730 --> 00:42:08.849 be breathing the life of God. So I'm going to 00:42:08.849 --> 00:42:10.750 stop and I'm going to breathe in the life of 00:42:10.750 --> 00:42:13.469 God. And as my lungs are filled, it's not just 00:42:13.469 --> 00:42:15.570 filled with physical air and it's slowing down. 00:42:15.769 --> 00:42:19.230 My mental state and my nervous system is resetting. 00:42:19.429 --> 00:42:21.710 But that's happening because I'm allowing the 00:42:21.710 --> 00:42:25.269 life of God to come back in me where there was 00:42:25.269 --> 00:42:30.519 a void because I'm fearful and not in love. Yeah, 00:42:30.559 --> 00:42:32.739 I like that. I mean, breath is sacred, right? 00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:37.960 We don't have breath. We're not alive. There's 00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:43.539 sacredness to that. And fear is not of God. We 00:42:43.539 --> 00:42:45.539 know that Bible says that, right? But when we're 00:42:45.539 --> 00:42:49.000 in fear and we're in anxiety, why does our breath 00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:53.460 start to change? Our physiology, it changes. 00:42:53.599 --> 00:43:00.780 So how do we get back our breath? calm peaceful 00:43:00.780 --> 00:43:03.940 and feel safe and our nervous system is regulated 00:43:03.940 --> 00:43:07.119 it's like we got to take it back yeah right and 00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:09.579 we can regulate that i mean there's you can go 00:43:09.579 --> 00:43:12.079 on youtube and just put in breath work for anxiety 00:43:12.079 --> 00:43:16.460 breath work for for um nervous system regulation 00:43:16.460 --> 00:43:19.659 nervous system reset and when you do some weird 00:43:19.659 --> 00:43:22.280 stuff's gonna come up you know so you gotta you 00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:24.420 gotta filter through it you know if you see the 00:43:24.420 --> 00:43:26.460 person in the background there's like statues 00:43:26.460 --> 00:43:30.280 of idols and gods and stuff like that find somebody 00:43:30.280 --> 00:43:34.000 else okay yeah there's a lot of them that just 00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:36.739 take the science out of what they did in the 00:43:36.739 --> 00:43:39.400 eastern world and eastern religions and take 00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:42.940 the science out of it bring it forward and keep 00:43:42.940 --> 00:43:47.920 it pure you know and um amen One of the things 00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:50.920 that I love

just to maybe shift gears as we're 00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:54.320 kind of wrapping up the conversation, which I 00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:55.980 hate because I feel like we just got started. 00:43:57.960 --> 00:44:04.000 But one of the things that I love in our times 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:08.780 of counseling with you is anytime we talk about 00:44:08.780 --> 00:44:12.599 a situation where we've had conflict or if we 00:44:12.599 --> 00:44:17.110 have a situation where we had. you know, moments 00:44:17.110 --> 00:44:19.929 of anxiety or, you know, depression coming on 00:44:19.929 --> 00:44:24.449 or anything like that, that you always bring 00:44:24.449 --> 00:44:27.769 out is discovering the things that you can learn 00:44:27.769 --> 00:44:31.110 in those moments. You know, how did that make 00:44:31.110 --> 00:44:33.570 you take a step forward? How is this productive? 00:44:35.530 --> 00:44:38.889 I'd like you maybe to talk about what we can 00:44:38.889 --> 00:44:41.610 learn. I know everyone is a little bit specific. 00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:45.119 But in general terms, what can we learn from 00:44:45.119 --> 00:44:50.519 a moment of breakdown? That's a deep question, 00:44:50.679 --> 00:45:01.300 but I do have an answer. In the moment of breakdown, 00:45:01.739 --> 00:45:06.920 it's so important that we keep perspective, right? 00:45:07.139 --> 00:45:09.679 Because when we're breaking down, we're kind 00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:13.840 of unraveling. We're emotionally undone. We're 00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:18.539 probably suffering in some kind of a way. Actually, 00:45:18.940 --> 00:45:21.400 I'm speaking at a men's group on Friday, and 00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:24.179 the topic is suffering. One of the most common 00:45:24.179 --> 00:45:27.239 topics in the church today, right? It's suffering. 00:45:28.699 --> 00:45:31.400 So when we're in pain, when we're in suffering, 00:45:31.619 --> 00:45:36.519 when we're having a breakdown, I always tell 00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:38.679 people, you need to stay curious about what's 00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:43.079 going on. OK, it's like, why? You ask a lot of 00:45:43.079 --> 00:45:46.019 why questions, but stay curious about it. Don't 00:45:46.019 --> 00:45:49.840 be solid on what you think. I'm having this breakdown 00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:52.780 because I did this and because this I did this. 00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:55.639 The outcome is this. And now these are the consequences. 00:45:55.659 --> 00:45:59.340 Or you got to you got to stay open and curious 00:45:59.340 --> 00:46:04.219 about all things involved in whatever your situation 00:46:04.219 --> 00:46:07.250 that broke you down. Right. You have to trust 00:46:07.250 --> 00:46:11.610 God. If it happened, God's not surprised. You 00:46:11.610 --> 00:46:15.309 got to keep the faith in there and stay in faith. 00:46:15.809 --> 00:46:18.829 But I would say this to that question. What do 00:46:18.829 --> 00:46:21.630 we discover in a breakdown? It's an opportunity.

00:46:22.369 --> 00:46:26.460 Yeah. And again, that just kind of goes against 00:46:26.460 --> 00:46:28.719 when we're hurting, we're suffering, we're in 00:46:28.719 --> 00:46:31.480 pain. We're not thinking, stay open and curious. 00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:35.460 We're not thinking, what an opportunity. Are 00:46:35.460 --> 00:46:37.059 you out of your mind? What do you mean it's an 00:46:37.059 --> 00:46:40.440 opportunity? And it is because in Psalm 34, 18, 00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:42.900 it says, the Lord is close to the brokenhearted 00:46:42.900 --> 00:46:45.579 and he saves those who are crushed in spirit. 00:46:46.260 --> 00:46:48.820 Some verse God gave to me when we lost Bella, 00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:52.739 that word crushed means to annihilate. Think 00:46:52.739 --> 00:46:55.139 of a piece of pottery and you drop it on the 00:46:55.139 --> 00:46:58.960 ground. It breaks into pieces, right? This word 00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:01.800 is now to take maybe something and crush that, 00:47:01.820 --> 00:47:05.159 those pieces of that pottery down into powder 00:47:05.159 --> 00:47:10.219 and annihilate. So if God's near to the brokenhearted, 00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:12.920 I would say the first opportunity you have during 00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:17.099 the breakdown is to draw near. It's to draw near 00:47:17.099 --> 00:47:22.639 to him, right? And then it's... to invite him 00:47:22.639 --> 00:47:26.920 into your suffering. Again, the book of Lamentations, 00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:32.420 to invite him in. And the next is, and this gets 00:47:32.420 --> 00:47:37.000 crazy, but this journey really, really can happen 00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:40.739 if you invite God in. And when you invite him 00:47:40.739 --> 00:47:43.519 in, it's okay to be pissed. It's okay to yell 00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:46.559 at him. It's okay to tell him that you're disappointed. 00:47:46.639 --> 00:47:48.820 He knows all these thoughts are in your head 00:47:48.820 --> 00:47:50.480 anyway, so you might as well just say it out 00:47:50.480 --> 00:47:53.789 loud. And sometimes I'll pray and yell out loud 00:47:53.789 --> 00:47:55.590 at God when I needed to, because there's something 00:47:55.590 --> 00:47:59.670 therapeutic about it being said out loud as well. 00:47:59.869 --> 00:48:03.510 And it's biblical. We invite him in. And when 00:48:03.510 --> 00:48:07.449 you start to do that, I believe at some point, 00:48:07.510 --> 00:48:10.989 at some point, now that timeline, I can't give 00:48:10.989 --> 00:48:14.949 you any timeline, but it took me five and a half 00:48:14.949 --> 00:48:19.519 years to find the gift. or let's call it the 00:48:19.519 --> 00:48:23.019 positive or good thing over the loss of my daughter. 00:48:23.559 --> 00:48:26.019 I don't know anybody listening right now. It's 00:48:26.019 --> 00:48:29.340 like this guy's out of his mind. How can there 00:48:29.340 --> 00:48:32.840 be any gift or good thing out of losing your 00:48:32.840 --> 00:48:37.380 daughter?

Well, here's the thing. If you don't 00:48:37.380 --> 00:48:41.940 look at a breakdown, a hardship, just life bottoming 00:48:41.940 --> 00:48:50.590 out, opportunity to draw near to god and to invite 00:48:50.590 --> 00:48:55.070 him in and let him minister to you and and bring 00:48:55.070 --> 00:48:57.210 you through a journey of healing you will become 00:48:57.210 --> 00:49:01.610 a victim to that circumstance because the devil's 00:49:01.610 --> 00:49:04.989 now got a foothold in those thoughts yes right 00:49:04.989 --> 00:49:08.829 so if you don't invite god into it then the devil's 00:49:08.829 --> 00:49:11.980 going to show up The enemy of your soul is showing 00:49:11.980 --> 00:49:14.559 up with all kinds of lies because he's the father 00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:17.519 of lies. And now you're believing all these stories. 00:49:17.579 --> 00:49:19.840 And as you believe these stories in a compound, 00:49:20.219 --> 00:49:24.099 you become a victim to your suffering, a victim 00:49:24.099 --> 00:49:26.320 to your pain, a victim to your circumstances, 00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:29.880 and you will be stuck. You will be a miserable 00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:33.420 believer in Jesus Christ, and you will not be 00:49:33.420 --> 00:49:36.900 able to live the abundant life. But when you 00:49:36.900 --> 00:49:38.940 invite him in, and that's going to look different 00:49:38.940 --> 00:49:43.059 for everybody, you, I believe, can eventually 00:49:43.059 --> 00:49:47.420 find the gift in it. Like James Wong, right, 00:49:47.460 --> 00:49:50.400 says, consider it pure joy when you're faced 00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:53.360 with trials of all kinds. Pure joy sounds like 00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:55.360 there's got to be some kind of a gift here, right? 00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:58.920 Why am I being called by the Spirit in the writing 00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:01.500 of God's Word to have pure joy? Because it says 00:50:01.500 --> 00:50:04.039 faith produces perseverance. So you're going 00:50:04.039 --> 00:50:06.300 to be stronger in your faith. That's a gift. 00:50:06.780 --> 00:50:09.519 And then when it's complete, I become more mature 00:50:09.519 --> 00:50:13.539 and complete, not lacking anything. I become 00:50:13.539 --> 00:50:17.349 stronger as a person. I become more. Like Christ, 00:50:17.510 --> 00:50:19.849 and then it goes on in verse 5, it's attached 00:50:19.849 --> 00:50:22.090 to that. It's talking about needing wisdom. So 00:50:22.090 --> 00:50:23.829 you're praying for wisdom. You have increased 00:50:23.829 --> 00:50:27.389 wisdom as a human being on the other side of 00:50:27.389 --> 00:50:30.230 the suffering, the other side of the pain, the 00:50:30.230 --> 00:50:35.010 situation. You have more wisdom. You're a different 00:50:35.010 --> 00:50:37.590 person. And so what would I say? What is the 00:50:37.590 --> 00:50:40.889 gift in losing my daughter? Man, it took me five 00:50:40.889 --> 00:50:43.750 and a half years to realize in that pain and 00:50:43.750 --> 00:50:47.059 in that struggle with God. And I wrestled with 00:50:47.059 --> 00:50:52.099 him for a couple years. I mean, so much so, I 00:50:52.099 --> 00:50:54.639 didn't even know if I would pray for people to 00:50:54.639 --> 00:50:58.340 be healed again for the rest of my life. My theology 00:50:58.340 --> 00:51:02.179 got crushed down into powder. I didn't deconstruct 00:51:02.179 --> 00:51:05.639 to reconstruct. I got broken down, so I reconstructed. 00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:07.059 And guess what? Everything I believed before 00:51:07.059 --> 00:51:10.800 I lost my daughter, I believe after. And I believe 00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:15.719 even stronger with their faith. But I am not 00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:19.500 the same person. The pain I had to go through, 00:51:19.659 --> 00:51:22.719 the faith, the little bit of faith I had when 00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:24.840 I said, Lord, I got nothing. And he's like, well, 00:51:24.880 --> 00:51:28.000 you're in my hand. I want to take you out. I 00:51:28.000 --> 00:51:30.559 got you. That's good. There came a point where 00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:34.340 I just went, you know what? The gift is I am 00:51:34.340 --> 00:51:37.420 a different person. No circumstance, no situation 00:51:37.420 --> 00:51:39.980 like that could have ever created an opportunity 00:51:39.980 --> 00:51:44.679 for me to press into God. To be real with him. 00:51:44.940 --> 00:51:50.840 Yeah. And that's a gift. That can sound crazy. 00:51:51.699 --> 00:51:54.099 But if you don't find the gift and the pain, 00:51:54.280 --> 00:51:59.920 the gift is from the enemy to live as a victim 00:51:59.920 --> 00:52:03.420 mindset, a victim of your circumstances. And 00:52:03.420 --> 00:52:06.820 that's a miserable place to be. I was there for 00:52:06.820 --> 00:52:10.340 about. Four years. It was just three years ago 00:52:10.340 --> 00:52:14.019 I got set free from that victim mindset. And 00:52:14.019 --> 00:52:16.559 then when I discovered the gift, I got totally 00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:22.400 freed from the pain of the trauma. And I can 00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:24.539 look back at all my stuff now, all these traumatic 00:52:24.539 --> 00:52:27.880 experiences I had over the years, and find gifts 00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:31.260 in them. Because now they don't have me caged 00:52:31.260 --> 00:52:33.960 in. I'm not locked in by it anymore. I've been 00:52:33.960 --> 00:52:37.480 freed. I've been freed up. Truth sets us free, 00:52:37.579 --> 00:52:39.780 right? And sometimes the truth is just the truth 00:52:39.780 --> 00:52:44.820 of a situation. Yeah. And so that's my encouragement 00:52:44.820 --> 00:52:47.519 to anybody just really struggling because they've 00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:51.559 had a situation that's traumatic. And you just 00:52:51.559 --> 00:52:56.559 don't know how God, why God. When you start saying 00:52:56.559 --> 00:53:00.110 why God, just God help me. Just help me. Help 00:53:00.110 --> 00:53:03.150 me get

through. And you drop the why out. That's 00:53:03.150 --> 00:53:06.510 the start of moving from victim mindset to a 00:53:06.510 --> 00:53:10.050 free mindset to experience the Lord again and 00:53:10.050 --> 00:53:13.250 living your life. Yeah. Living your life again, 00:53:13.409 --> 00:53:17.349 man. Praise God. We have a very distinctive choice 00:53:17.349 --> 00:53:19.949 when we face things like that because staying 00:53:19.949 --> 00:53:24.610 constant isn't a reality. So you are either going 00:53:24.610 --> 00:53:26.889 to follow the path of destruction and continue 00:53:26.889 --> 00:53:29.230 to get worse, or you are going to make the decision 00:53:29.230 --> 00:53:31.909 to follow truth and continue to get better. And 00:53:31.909 --> 00:53:34.710 so if your decision is to follow truth, of course 00:53:34.710 --> 00:53:36.750 you're going to come out of that stronger, closer 00:53:36.750 --> 00:53:39.309 to God, because those are the benefits of that 00:53:39.309 --> 00:53:41.869 relationship with God. But the only other option 00:53:41.869 --> 00:53:45.409 is to continue to be destroyed, because that's 00:53:45.409 --> 00:53:46.769 what the enemy comes for, is our destruction, 00:53:46.949 --> 00:53:50.130 right? And so I think a lot of times we get in 00:53:50.130 --> 00:53:51.929 those situations and we feel like, well, I just... 00:53:52.380 --> 00:53:54.480 I can't do anything. Like I can't make a choice. 00:53:54.539 --> 00:53:57.000 I can't. Well, yeah, you're making a choice by 00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:59.559 making a choice. So we have to be intentional 00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:01.619 to say, I'm going to do something to fight against 00:54:01.619 --> 00:54:04.039 this because the enemy is going to stop fighting. 00:54:04.219 --> 00:54:06.900 And so we have to stand up and say, no, I'm going 00:54:06.900 --> 00:54:09.239 to do something about this. And even if it's 00:54:09.239 --> 00:54:12.639 the smallest step, it's a step in the right direction 00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:16.780 and it's not a step backwards. Yeah. It's the 00:54:16.780 --> 00:54:19.000 devil. The devil loves to be in all our story. 00:54:22.379 --> 00:54:25.079 In the therapeutic world and even in the coaching 00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:26.760 world right now, the big thing is, you know, 00:54:26.760 --> 00:54:29.159 what is your story? What is your past story? 00:54:29.320 --> 00:54:31.380 What is your story now? What are your limiting 00:54:31.380 --> 00:54:35.420 beliefs based off your past story? And I do some 00:54:35.420 --> 00:54:38.079 of that work, too. You know, I do parts work. 00:54:38.139 --> 00:54:40.199 You know, parts of me are broken. Parts of me 00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:43.380 are healed. Parts of me have joy. Parts of me 00:54:43.380 --> 00:54:47.250 are angry. And it's getting with. all of that. 00:54:47.510 --> 00:54:50.309 But as we get freed up, right? I mean, Jesus 00:54:50.309 --> 00:54:52.690 came to set us free. The Spirit of the Lord is

00:54:52.690 --> 00:54:55.570 there's liberty, there's freedom. And we also 00:54:55.570 --> 00:54:58.230 got to get free from our past story. That's got 00:54:58.230 --> 00:55:01.289 a lot to do with that whole victim mindset, right? 00:55:01.449 --> 00:55:03.989 And then so as you grow and get freed from that, 00:55:04.150 --> 00:55:07.030 there's freedom in our mindset. So think about 00:55:07.030 --> 00:55:10.730 this. So if our thoughts are responsible for 00:55:10.730 --> 00:55:13.449 primarily creating the chemicals that make us 00:55:13.449 --> 00:55:16.610 feel a certain way, If we're caught up in old 00:55:16.610 --> 00:55:20.989 story, right? And the victim mindset, I'm not 00:55:20.989 --> 00:55:24.250 good enough. I'm not lovable. You know, I'll 00:55:24.250 --> 00:55:26.730 never get it right. Like all of these things, 00:55:26.929 --> 00:55:30.630 then you just continue to create the same chemicals 00:55:30.630 --> 00:55:33.630 over and over to make you stay in depression. 00:55:33.750 --> 00:55:37.010 You're lacking dopamine, serotonin, you know? 00:55:38.030 --> 00:55:42.190 And so, gosh, it goes right back to Romans 12 00:55:42.190 --> 00:55:44.849 again. That's right. When we think differently, 00:55:45.090 --> 00:55:48.590 we become differently. We've transformed into 00:55:48.590 --> 00:55:52.769 a different person. Our thoughts. As a matter 00:55:52.769 --> 00:55:55.789 of fact, man, I'm hoping to have them for the 00:55:55.789 --> 00:56:00.030 conference, but I just put together a 90 -day 00:56:00.030 --> 00:56:04.030 transformational journal experience that we'll 00:56:04.030 --> 00:56:07.340 work with. our neuroplasticity work with our 00:56:07.340 --> 00:56:10.159 mind it has the ability to be changed and it's 00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:12.079 a journey that i believe people if they do it 00:56:12.079 --> 00:56:15.400 for 90 days you can change your your brain wiring 00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:18.559 you can change the way you think you can have 00:56:18.559 --> 00:56:22.239 different chemicals released um because it goes 00:56:22.239 --> 00:56:24.719 back to that proverb as a man thinks about himself 00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:28.139 that's what he becomes amen praise god praise 00:56:28.139 --> 00:56:33.239 god You know, you were telling me as we talked 00:56:33.239 --> 00:56:36.480 on the phone the other day about this, about 00:56:36.480 --> 00:56:39.719 the journal that you've put together. And I'm 00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:41.940 so excited for that because, again, we want to 00:56:41.940 --> 00:56:43.780 go back to doing the work, right? You think, 00:56:43.780 --> 00:56:47.400 oh, I can't do this for 90 days. Well. Maybe 00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:49.380 it's going to be a challenge for you for 90 days, 00:56:49.460 --> 00:56:51.360 but so is staying the way you are for the rest 00:56:51.360 --> 00:56:55.360 of your life. I'm not trying to be harsh today, 00:56:55.559 --> 00:56:58.920 but it's the reality. We have to buckle down 00:56:58.920 --> 00:57:01.300 and take control, take authority of these things. 00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:06.440 And a lot of it, yes, it's a spiritual battle, 00:57:06.539 --> 00:57:09.619 but a lot of it is a disciplinary battle. Am 00:57:09.619 --> 00:57:12.039 I going to discipline myself to do the things 00:57:12.039 --> 00:57:16.449 that I've got to do? Yeah, that's good. But anyway, 00:57:16.570 --> 00:57:20.550 I could talk about that forever. You had mentioned 00:57:20.550 --> 00:57:22.829 that you hope to have those ready for the conference. 00:57:22.949 --> 00:57:25.250 And I will say that Jerry is going to be with 00:57:25.250 --> 00:57:28.789 us at Thrive Health Conference, September 11th, 00:57:28.809 --> 00:57:33.170 12th. And we are just so excited. We keep having 00:57:33.170 --> 00:57:36.869 guests here on the podcast. And I hope that that 00:57:36.869 --> 00:57:42.829 is making you build your anticipation about. 00:57:43.260 --> 00:57:45.360 the conference of what God is going to do that 00:57:45.360 --> 00:57:49.559 weekend. And Jerry's going to talk about, I'm 00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:52.440 sure some of these things and so much more. And 00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:55.659 I just, I know it's going to bless your life. 00:57:56.519 --> 00:57:59.079 You can sign up at thrivehealthconference .com. 00:58:00.019 --> 00:58:03.360 Registration is $130. That includes all your 00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:06.460 meals for the weekend and the entire experience. 00:58:07.300 --> 00:58:11.380 So get online and get signed up for Thrive Health 00:58:11.380 --> 00:58:16.269 Conference. Jerry, I'm sorry. I totally lost 00:58:16.269 --> 00:58:18.429 my train of thought. How can they get in touch 00:58:18.429 --> 00:58:25.809 with you? Yes. Soul, S -O -U -L, care, C -A -R 00:58:25.809 --> 00:58:32.110 -E, Nashville .com. Soulcarenashville .com. Okay. 00:58:32.969 --> 00:58:36.150 That's where I do my soul coaching, transformational 00:58:36.150 --> 00:58:39.170 coaching. If anybody wants to talk, I do a free 00:58:39.170 --> 00:58:41.309 discovery call to see if I'm the right person 00:58:41.309 --> 00:58:47.840 to work with them. Yeah. Yeah. Very good. We'll 00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:51.780 jump on that. You know, as many of you who are 00:58:51.780 --> 00:58:56.000 listening to this, I've recommended Jared too. 00:58:56.219 --> 00:59:00.159 And I know that some of you, you know, have probably 00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:05.119 set up sessions and things like that. And he's 00:59:05.119 --> 00:59:10.659 just, you know, super, I don't know how to say 00:59:10.659 --> 00:59:15.190 it. I run out of words when I get emotional. 00:59:16.329 --> 00:59:20.809 But it's such a blessing to us, such a blessing 00:59:20.809 --> 00:59:24.789 to the body of Christ. And we're grateful to 00:59:24.789 --> 00:59:28.730 have you. I want to say just a couple more things. 00:59:28.929 --> 00:59:31.489 They're housekeeping items and they're much less 00:59:31.489 --> 00:59:36.369 emotional and serious. But I failed to do this 00:59:36.369 --> 00:59:38.909 at the beginning. But for all of our guests. 00:59:39.769 --> 00:59:45.289 We do on our podcast, we do fist bumps. And normally 00:59:45.289 --> 00:59:47.829 we have and I don't even know how it started, 00:59:47.889 --> 00:59:51.929 but it just kind of became a thing. And normally 00:59:51.929 --> 00:59:53.969 we have a sound effect. We haven't worked those 00:59:53.969 --> 00:59:56.670 into zooms yet. But Jerry, we would like to do 00:59:56.670 --> 01:00:00.230 a fist bump around the world. And so I'm in Nashville. 01:00:00.449 --> 01:00:04.010 We're in Carlsbad, New Mexico. But we'd like 01:00:04.010 --> 01:00:05.429 to do a fist bump around the world. So we're 01:00:05.429 --> 01:00:06.750 going to do a fist bump and then we're going 01:00:06.750 --> 01:00:08.389 to do a fist bump on the camera. Does that work? 01:00:09.269 --> 01:00:11.409 All right. All right. So there's our fist bump. 01:00:11.510 --> 01:00:15.789 And boom, right there. So that's a fist bump 01:00:15.789 --> 01:00:21.389 around the world. We're excited. And then I would 01:00:21.389 --> 01:00:25.550 be remiss if I didn't mention. Remiss. Remiss. 01:00:25.550 --> 01:00:28.530 I would be remiss. I tell you, my vocabulary 01:00:28.530 --> 01:00:31.650 goes at the end of the day, too. If we didn't 01:00:31.650 --> 01:00:33.670 shout out Topo Chico, we're trying to get a sponsorship. 01:00:33.929 --> 01:00:36.719 Topo Chico's not picking up the phone. For giving 01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:40.159 energy. Well, for giving energy too. So total 01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:42.820 health challenge, all this stuff, right? Enough 01:00:42.820 --> 01:00:47.059 nonsense. Jerry, thank you most of all for being 01:00:47.059 --> 01:00:51.500 our friend. Yes. Thank you for coming on the 01:00:51.500 --> 01:00:53.360 Doing Life Together podcast, guys. I hope this 01:00:53.360 --> 01:00:56.340 was a blessing to you. It was a blessing for 01:00:56.340 --> 01:00:59.059 us. Again, make sure you sign up for Thrive Health 01:00:59.059 --> 01:01:04.840 Conference to hear more from Jerry. We want you 01:01:04.840 --> 01:01:07.460 all to have a great week. We love you. Thanks 01:01:07.460 --> 01:01:08.400 for doing life with us.