Lesbians and Attachment Theory with Jenny Hagel ၏ စာသားမှတ်တမ်းအပြည့်အစုံ

fill a book with what I didn't learn in high school. 00:03:32.080 --> 00:03:34.000 Well, yeah, we could all fill books with what we didn't learn. 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:35.280 I mean, couldn't we that? 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:36.159 It would take a lot of research. 00:03:36.400 --> 00:03:37.439 The books would be blank. 00:03:37.680 --> 00:03:40.560 Um Michael told me what this bone was today, too. 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:41.840 Michael's full of little facts. 00:03:42.080 --> 00:03:44.960 I learned about this bone watching I everything I learned now is from Instagram. 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:54.000 I like I spend an hour after my kids get home saying sentences that begin with, oh, I saw this on Instagram, and then telling them some fact. 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:56.960 Because I like my my algorithm is How do you know if it's real though? 00:03:57.039 --> 00:03:58.560 If you're just seeing it, you totally. 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:03.120 Yeah, I just read a thing today about how um Major League pitching evolved. 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:05.120 And then I was like, I gotta remember to tell this to my son. 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:14.879 And I was like, why don't I first Google it and or do something to make sure it's real before I just pass on random shit and then teach him nothing about hey, we have to be critical thinkers about the stuff we get on the internet. 00:04:15.199 --> 00:04:17.360 Or just succumbed compl just succumb completely. 00:04:17.600 --> 00:04:17.839 That's true. 00:04:18.079 --> 00:04:18.959 To like, well, yeah, sure. 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:19.519 I I don't know. 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:20.480 Not none of this could be true. 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:28.240 My true danger zone is that I have started, I'm really interested in psychology, just like as a lay person, I didn't major in psychology, but I'm not a psychologist. 00:04:28.399 --> 00:04:31.920 But I really do love reading about it, and the Instagram figured that out. 00:04:32.000 --> 00:04:37.040 And now all they do is give me information about like different personality disorders or different things. 00:04:37.199 --> 00:04:40.160 The the internet has diagnosed me with at least two things. 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:46.720 That seems like a dangerous thing for the internet to teach you because then you're like looking for it, right? 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:55.920 You're like you're on a date or something, and you're like, oh no, she said that phrase that the person on Instagram says only people with anxious attach anxious attachment slowly. 00:04:56.079 --> 00:04:57.839 Oh, you better believe I'm so she must have that. 00:04:58.079 --> 00:05:00.800 Buddy, I'm deep down the attachment style wormhole. 00:05:01.040 --> 00:05:03.360 I think every I do think every lesbian is. 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:08.000 I literally I saw on Hinge a profile that was like, please, no avoidance. 00:05:08.319 --> 00:05:13.839 We I was like one of we we've interviewed one other lesbian on the podcast recently. 00:05:14.160 --> 00:05:18.319 Great, and I cannot stress enough how much I think it might be word for word what you just said. 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:18.720 Yeah. 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:19.600 They've said, yeah. 00:05:19.759 --> 00:05:20.079 Oh yeah. 00:05:20.160 --> 00:05:20.399 Yes. 00:05:20.560 --> 00:05:22.160 I was writing a bit recently. 00:05:22.399 --> 00:05:24.160 I've been trying to do more writing, and I was writing a bit. 00:05:28.319 --> 00:05:34.560 Fucking that is like that's that is to us now what like singer-songwriters were to us in the 90s. 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:39.519 A new Lilith fair is gonna be just a bunch of therapists on a stage. 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:53.600 One after the other, telling talking about attachment style, talking about um uh uh um emotionally immature parents, talking about people who are parentified, uh oldest daughter syndrome. 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:54.879 Oh my god. 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:58.800 Parentified meaning your your like the role of parenting is thrust upon you. 00:05:59.199 --> 00:06:09.439 That's right, that your parent expects you to function more as an adult than you should, expects you to be like independent or responsible or make decisions in ways, treats you like an adult when they should let you give you the freedom to be a child. 00:06:09.600 --> 00:06:11.759 I can't stress enough, I am not a therapist. 00:06:12.160 --> 00:06:20.639 But boy, I feel like if there was like a comic-con, but you got to go show and cosplay as a therapist and just go and act as if you be like, oh, I can tell this person's problem is this. 00:06:20.720 --> 00:06:23.600 Like I was like, that's kind of what your show is. 00:06:24.160 --> 00:06:25.120 It is oh sure. 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:26.240 It's like me playing out of fantasy. 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:27.040 That's a very good yeah. 00:06:27.120 --> 00:06:28.399 Oh yeah, I love your live show. 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:29.040 My live show. 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:31.120 Yeah, and the best thing now say it for the listeners. 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:32.079 We should say what the show is. 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:38.720 So I no, I do a live show uh in Brooklyn and I've toured it a little bit to um it's called Jenny Hagel Gives Advice. 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:39.839 It is so fun. 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:50.959 It's the way the show works is there's um some buckets on stage when audience members come in, everybody gets two blank index cards and a ballpoint pen, and while they're waiting for the show to start, they write down questions that they want advice on. 00:06:51.040 --> 00:07:01.920 And then the buckets on the stage say things like family advice, love advice, job advice, and um they put those questions in the buckets, and then I do a show and like um every show I have a different guest. 00:07:02.079 --> 00:07:03.839 Asher was generous enough to be a guest one time. 00:07:04.079 --> 00:07:04.480 I loved it. 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:05.279 Oh, I'm so glad.

00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:07.120 I would love to do it again sometime. 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:08.639 It was it's the most fun. 00:07:08.720 --> 00:07:12.160 And I think I started doing it during the writer's strike just because I was like, I gotta get out of the house. 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:13.519 I'm too at home. 00:07:13.839 --> 00:07:16.560 Um and I was like, this is a fun lark, I'll do once or twice. 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:17.199 It'll be silly. 00:07:17.279 --> 00:07:18.399 People ask silly questions. 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:23.199 People ask very don't they ask like very sincere, genuine, vulnerable questions? 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:24.079 Some of them are fun. 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:27.439 Yeah, it's like a nice combination of some are funny, some are with the anonymity. 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:29.519 I feel like people will ask serious stuff. 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:33.839 I was really surprised though how much because they know going in is just two comedians. 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:40.000 And people will ask really like vulnerable in a really lovely way, not like, hey, I murdered someone, what do I do with the body? 00:07:40.160 --> 00:07:42.560 Like people will ask very lovely, vulnerable questions. 00:07:43.040 --> 00:07:48.240 And um and it honestly feels I'm very touched that they trust me with that kind of thing. 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:54.079 But it is so fun because then you just stand there and you really do do your best to give them good advice. 00:07:54.480 --> 00:08:04.399 I mean, we joke around and we have a good time, but we also really do try to give good advice, and then at the end of the show, a real actual human therapist comes on stage and tells us if we did a good job or not, and they've been taking notes the whole show. 00:08:04.639 --> 00:08:05.199 That's really fun. 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:11.519 And there is nothing better and probably more dangerous than when a therapist at the end of the show tells me I did a good job. 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:17.199 Because all that does is like continue to build up my fantasy that like I could be a therapist. 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:19.600 I mean, I basically I don't need like all the training. 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:21.279 Yeah, I basically am one. 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:23.519 Like you can buy the DSM five. 00:08:23.759 --> 00:08:26.879 I think if five therapists give you an A plus, you're a therapist. 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:28.959 How many, how many therapists have you gotten to the first one? 00:08:29.120 --> 00:08:30.720 I think I've gotten two A's for sure. 00:08:30.959 --> 00:08:32.320 Oh wow, you are a therapist. 00:08:32.559 --> 00:08:32.799 Yeah. 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:33.519 Why not? 00:08:34.080 --> 00:08:38.240 I mean, I'm definitely in the like I'm probably averaging in the B range. 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:40.879 I mean, I've had therapists that I wouldn't give an A. 00:08:41.279 --> 00:08:41.600 Same. 00:08:41.840 --> 00:08:47.600 I had a therapist one time spend a whole session telling me where she was on 9-11 and what happened to her on 9-11. 00:08:48.399 --> 00:08:49.919 And how did that make you feel? 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:51.440 That's what I ended up saying. 00:08:51.600 --> 00:08:55.360 She kept going on for so long that finally I was like, oh, she's getting worked up. 00:08:55.519 --> 00:09:01.440 She's she's and then I could it the way you can like when you're seeing a car accident in slow motion, I was like, oh no, I'm gonna say it. 00:09:01.759 --> 00:09:04.000 Oh god, I'm gonna say here it comes. 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:05.440 How did that feel for you? 00:09:05.679 --> 00:09:08.080 I mean I was like, wow, this is we have to quit this therapist. 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:10.320 In that moment, you had been parentified. 00:09:10.480 --> 00:09:12.960 Thank you! Therapistified. 00:09:13.840 --> 00:09:14.000 Thank you. 00:09:14.240 --> 00:09:14.799 What would you call that? 00:09:14.960 --> 00:09:16.000 Theresepothide. 00:09:16.159 --> 00:09:16.240 Yeah. 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:17.360 I believe, yeah, is this right? 00:09:17.519 --> 00:09:18.799 There I thought that's correct. 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:20.159 I think it would be therepothide. 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:20.960 That's right. 00:09:21.120 --> 00:09:21.679 That's right. 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:23.200 Therapitized when you well. 00:09:23.519 --> 00:09:27.519 What what else is in your algo besides besides um attachment theory? 00:09:27.840 --> 00:09:30.000 Okay, my algorithm is strictly. 00:09:30.159 --> 00:09:31.279 I was joking with a friend before. 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:34.960 I was like, if you looked at my algorithm, you would not know there were any wars going on. 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:35.840 You would not know. 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:36.480 Same. 00:09:36.639 --> 00:09:43.200 President my algorithm is psychology, women's sports, and uh lesbian stand-ups. 00:09:44.159 --> 00:09:44.879 That's a good algorithm. 00:09:45.120 --> 00:09:45.440 That's good. 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:46.480 It's a it's a delight. 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:48.320 Inside my phone, things are great. 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:50.320 Things are out the outside world is a mess. 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:51.279 Say the three again. 00:09:51.519 --> 00:09:52.080 Psychology. 00:09:52.240 --> 00:09:52.480 Okay. 00:09:52.639 --> 00:09:53.759 Uh women's sports. 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:55.120 And and female stand-ups? 00:09:55.200 --> 00:10:00.639 And female and like female stand-ups, and then it's like starting to get, you know, like the algorithm will like zone in more and more and more hyper-specific. 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:03.440 It's starting to be like a lot of like queer female stand-ups. 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:03.919 Cool. 00:10:04.080 --> 00:10:05.120 Yeah, that's a good algorithm. 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:05.759 It's great. 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:10.080 Mine is people singing musical theater of any age. 00:10:10.240 --> 00:10:10.399 Love. 00:10:10.639 --> 00:10:12.000 Any age and

proficiency. 00:10:12.399 --> 00:10:16.480 Your algo, because you shared it, introduced me to Clay Aiken. 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:17.279 Oh, right. 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:19.039 Clay the current iteration of Clay Aiken. 00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:20.240 Obviously, I knew who he was. 00:10:20.320 --> 00:10:21.360 Um and I'm very grateful for. 00:10:21.759 --> 00:10:22.559 What's his new iteration? 00:10:22.720 --> 00:10:24.399 Well, Clay Aiken's back, he's got a new song. 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:24.960 Oh, okay. 00:10:25.039 --> 00:10:28.000 I thought you were gonna be like, now he's a sleight of hand magician. 00:10:28.159 --> 00:10:29.279 Like he's having like a second step of it. 00:10:30.240 --> 00:10:31.039 It's so good. 00:10:31.279 --> 00:10:34.159 Actually, that makes sense because if he were a magician, then he could remember. 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:35.200 Do you remember his big song? 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:35.600 No. 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:37.440 If I were invisible. 00:10:37.679 --> 00:10:39.120 So they could do, you could do the whole. 00:10:39.360 --> 00:10:40.720 You could do, he could come back with the song. 00:10:40.960 --> 00:10:43.039 He's leaving money on the table by the becoming a play. 00:10:43.600 --> 00:10:44.879 Clay, hit us up. 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:46.720 I just really loved that clip. 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:48.240 You saw it, I've watched it like a thousand times. 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:49.120 Did I follow him? 00:10:49.360 --> 00:10:50.399 The Curie or the Rewind? 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:54.480 I've seen I've I uh unfortunately I have a lot of Clay Aikens in the. 00:10:54.720 --> 00:10:55.039 That's so good. 00:10:55.279 --> 00:10:56.080 Clay Aiken's in. 00:10:56.399 --> 00:11:00.639 It's wild how quickly the the the algorithm picks up on a new interest of yours. 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:01.519 It's it's terrifying. 00:11:01.840 --> 00:11:05.600 I think it's also because I uh musical theater, it's like then you're gonna like Clay Akin. 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:06.799 And I do. 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:14.879 Then we're talking about uh people coaching basketball, um, like inspiring their their little people their little ones. 00:11:15.200 --> 00:11:15.759 Oh, that's nice. 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:18.639 And then also like pop philosophy. 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:20.720 Like those are like the three things that are happening. 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:22.399 Like little little tiny tidbits of the phone. 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:24.240 Is that like quotes of stoics or something? 00:11:24.399 --> 00:11:25.120 Like, what is that? 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:31.039 Yeah, it's like, you know, um, yes, quotes it's quotes of quotes of Jean-Paul Sartre or whoever else. 00:11:31.279 --> 00:11:32.480 It's like bite-sized philosophy. 00:11:32.720 --> 00:11:36.480 Yes, little tiny things like oh, um, you know, the good hearts, good hearts law, stuff like that. 00:11:36.799 --> 00:11:39.440 I um I'm Puerto Rican, not to brag. 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:46.399

And um I there's also a decent amount of Puerto Rico in my feed, especially because I've like been a couple times um in the last year. 00:11:46.559 --> 00:11:52.240 So I'm sure because I'm like Googling like certain things I want to do and places I want to go or hotels or whatever, then it's like picking up on all this. 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:53.679 Bioluminescent bay. 00:11:53.840 --> 00:11:54.000 Thank you. 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:55.360 Bioluminescent bay. 00:11:55.519 --> 00:11:56.559 Bioluminescent bay. 00:11:56.799 --> 00:11:57.039 I know. 00:11:57.120 --> 00:12:02.720 I I um happened at when Asher did my show, it was like, was it like the night before you were leaving to go to Puerto Rico? 00:12:02.799 --> 00:12:03.039 Yeah. 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:09.679 And when I found out that I hadn't known and hadn't had an opportunity to give him advice about where to go, I was like melting down. 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:12.080 I was like, this would have been my greatest moment. 00:12:12.320 --> 00:12:13.039 It was awesome. 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:22.879 But um, but I at one point my feed, the algorithm gave me on Instagram, stuff started giving me content about the Puerto Rican women's ice hockey team. 00:12:23.039 --> 00:12:25.519 And I was like, this was this was probably not even real. 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:28.080 This is probably AI created for me. 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:30.639 I'm probably the only person this is being said to. 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:33.039 Like it was They call that algorithm Ginny Hagar. 00:12:33.279 --> 00:12:36.080 Yeah, it's truly all of my interests all together. 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:41.120 If you don't think I've in my life been to a women's to multiple women's professional hockey games, A. 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:46.240 Love Puerto Rico, love lesbians, which we have no confirmation, but come on. 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:51.440 Love women's sports, like it was every all of it together. 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:52.480 I was like, God bless. 00:12:52.720 --> 00:12:53.279 God, that's great. 00:12:53.360 --> 00:12:54.320 And yours is porn mostly. 00:12:54.480 --> 00:12:55.120 Yeah, what is yours mostly? 00:12:55.440 --> 00:12:55.759 Mostly porn. 00:12:56.080 --> 00:12:58.240 And like how to do murders, like instructions for how to do a murder? 00:12:58.399 --> 00:12:59.840 Sorry, yeah, it's murders, porn. 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:01.200 I think that's basically what it is. 00:13:01.360 --> 00:13:02.399 Murders and porn. 00:13:03.679 --> 00:13:04.000 That's great. 00:13:04.159 --> 00:13:07.440 The my actual algorithm is far more embarrassing than it being murders and porn. 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:12.320 It is primarily proper pull-up technique guides. 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:12.879 That's great. 00:13:13.120 --> 00:13:13.919 Proper pull-up technique. 00:13:14.000 --> 00:13:18.080 You're gonna you wanna you're gonna chest up, chest high, chest? 00:13:18.480 --> 00:13:21.279 Well, you're pulling to your chest, not you're you don't want

to do this thing. 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:22.399 You're pulling it to your chest, yeah. 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:24.320 And then aren't you like supposed to like break the bar? 00:13:24.480 --> 00:13:28.000 Every wait, I just saw everyone stop listening. 00:13:28.480 --> 00:13:31.120 Everyone in the everyone listening to the podcast, I'm listening. 00:13:32.480 --> 00:13:33.120 You're trying to break the bar. 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:33.600 Break the bar. 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:34.320 So you've seen these videos. 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:37.279 There's some kind of like rotation, you get a rotation, rotation, rotation. 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:38.879 Wait, you want to twist as you're pulling up? 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:40.159 Doesn't that fuck up like everything? 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:42.240 No, I think it's like you're you're supposed to, you'll know. 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:43.039 He's actually watching them. 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:44.799 I've He's doing a pull-up right now. 00:13:45.039 --> 00:13:46.639 I've seen 1,000 videos. 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:47.360 What would you like to know? 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:52.720 I think like, right, there's like you could be pulling like this, but I think you actually want to like have like this, or was it the other way? 00:13:52.799 --> 00:13:53.120 Like this. 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:55.120 Which there's one, you want to have rotation in your. 00:13:55.519 --> 00:14:00.480 The bar is obviously not literally bending, but you want to act as if you're bending it that way. 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:04.720 So it engages your last, so you're not just like, this is I'm can we talk about anything else? 00:14:05.039 --> 00:14:05.840 You brought it up, just do it. 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:07.360 I didn't bring it up, you asked me what it was. 00:14:07.519 --> 00:14:07.840 Do it. 00:14:08.000 --> 00:14:09.279 I have okay, so you do this. 00:14:09.440 --> 00:14:10.720 You can't get you can't get out of frame there. 00:14:11.679 --> 00:14:15.519 Okay, if you're only listening to the podcast, what Asher is doing is I'm stopping. 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:19.759 Even if you're This is the most humiliating thing, even if you're watching the podcast, you can't see him because he's standing out of frame. 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:20.879 Do it! Just do it. 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:22.960 Why are you embarrassed about your interests? 00:14:23.679 --> 00:14:24.639 Because it's not an interest. 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:25.600 It is an interest. 00:14:25.679 --> 00:14:26.639 It's obviously an interest. 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:29.440 It's a it's a compulsive thing I view. 00:14:29.519 --> 00:14:34.240 That I think this is actually something I don't I do feel uh strongly about. 00:14:34.399 --> 00:14:36.720 I don't think the algorithm reflects our interest. 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:38.240 I think it reflects our compulsion. 00:14:38.720 --> 00:14:39.279 Oh both of you. 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:43.120 Now, both of you obviously it happens to be your interest as well. 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:47.279 I don't think my algorithm You're saying you're you have a compulsion to watch pull-up. 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:49.120 It just shows you what you watch. 00:14:49.279 --> 00:14:51.679 It doesn't show you what you like, it doesn't show you what you want to watch. 00:14:51.919 --> 00:14:54.399 But you don't think that what you like informs the things that you want to do. 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:55.840 No, I'm being like that you click on. 00:14:56.159 --> 00:14:56.879 No, it informs it. 00:14:57.279 --> 00:14:59.600 Obviously, I had an interest at some point in seeing that. 00:14:59.919 --> 00:15:02.559 But I I think it's uh it's a distortion. 00:15:02.799 --> 00:15:03.120 Got it. 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:06.159 It amplifies to maybe a louder degree what you are have. 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:09.360 You might have a moderate interest in something and it makes it seem like this is your whole personality. 00:15:09.440 --> 00:15:09.519 Yeah. 00:15:09.679 --> 00:15:11.519 Like Asher's whole personality is pull-ups. 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:12.240 It is, and it is. 00:15:12.399 --> 00:15:14.639 Asher's kind of, if I describe him in a word, it'd be pull-ups. 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:17.440 Um honest to God, so I just pulled it up to see if I can say anything else. 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:19.120 And the first video is Clay Akin. 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:19.840 Fantastic. 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:22.480 Yes! Talking about how he still got a couch. 00:15:22.879 --> 00:15:27.039 Clay Aiken also, let's don't forget, ran for Congress, I think. 00:15:27.200 --> 00:15:27.519 Yeah. 00:15:27.759 --> 00:15:27.919 Great. 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:28.720 I don't know if that's true. 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:29.919 Anna, can you tell me if that's true? 00:15:30.159 --> 00:15:31.200 Yeah, just make that up completely. 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:31.679 He did. 00:15:32.000 --> 00:15:32.879 He lost. 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:34.080 He lost, huh? 00:15:34.159 --> 00:15:34.960 What if he'd won? 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:36.240 What if he'd won, but he was still. 00:15:38.720 --> 00:15:42.799 I wish I almost definitely wherever he was running, I wish he had won. 00:15:43.039 --> 00:15:43.759 Correlation! 00:15:44.159 --> 00:15:45.200 Yeah, midterm year. 00:15:45.360 --> 00:15:45.840 Two. 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:47.840 2014 is the one I'm remembering. 00:15:47.919 --> 00:15:49.039 I forgot about 2022. 00:15:49.200 --> 00:15:51.759 I forget which year because I write him in every time I go. 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:56.960 So it's hard for me to keep which year straight because for me it's every year. 00:15:57.440 --> 00:15:59.679 Jenny, how close are you following these midterms? 00:15:59.840 --> 00:16:03.679 Um I we shouldn't talk about this because this might come out after, but let but still tell me. 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:11.840 I feel like I am I I feel like I'm wavering back and forth between following the news and having to detox from the news. 00:16:11.919 -->

00:16:15.440 I think I don't have the appetite for it that I had for years and years and years. 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:19.200 Like I used to be really interested in the news, really interested in politics, really interested in political races. 00:16:19.440 --> 00:16:23.919 Took a class in grad school that was about the history of TV televised presidential debates. 00:16:24.080 --> 00:16:29.039 And I think How much of that course was focused on Kennedy winning because he looked better than Nixon? 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:31.120 That was course that was lesson number one. 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:32.879 That's such a funny thing. 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:33.759 Do you know this, Michael? 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:34.080 No. 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:38.240 So I famously Kennedy beat uh Nixon. 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:44.159 Nixon, and it was attributed to the fact that it was the first televised debate, and Nixon looked like shit and Kennedy looked handsome. 00:16:44.399 --> 00:16:46.559 Yeah, Nixon's like, I don't need any makeup, I'm fine, I'm fine. 00:16:46.639 --> 00:16:50.080 Let me just, this is all about substance, and it was not and never has been. 00:16:50.240 --> 00:16:51.600 And obviously he goes on to win later. 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:57.759 But I just think it's very funny to imagine going on TV and looking like shit so much it becomes a data point in every book. 00:16:58.240 --> 00:16:58.720 Yes, yes. 00:16:59.039 --> 00:17:00.000 That's so funny to imagine. 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:00.720 So true. 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:01.759 Anyway, sorry, you were. 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:09.920 But yeah, no, I was just gonna say, I think that just the cycle that we've all lived through, like the first Trump administration and then the Biden administration, and then Trump getting re-elected, I think it broke something in my brain. 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:14.880 And that, like obviously for my work, I have to be informed about the news to a certain degree, but I think it um the amount that I'm eating. 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:15.680 Because you work at late night. 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:16.240 That's right. 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:20.720 I work at late night with Seth Myers, um, or we write a lot about the news and politics and and respond to it. 00:17:20.960 --> 00:17:32.559 But I think that my appetite for following it in my everyday outside of work life has at least for now, I feel like I'm uh it's my appetite is greatly reduced because it just it feels I feel a little bit fried. 00:17:32.799 --> 00:17:34.079 But how do you how do you draw that? 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:41.599 You say in your like outside of work life, it doesn't work most of the You're saying you're not like like what does that mean exactly? 00:17:41.759 --> 00:17:43.839 Because you're still following it so you can pitch the next morning. 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:44.640 Sure, sure. 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:52.079 But I think that I mean we have hiatuses and we have uh and I think there are times when if

I can look away for a moment, I will just because I feel like I don't have the stamina for it. 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:53.599 What's your day like? 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:58.000 So you're trying to bend the bar. 00:17:58.160 --> 00:17:58.799 Yeah, okay. 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:00.559 And you're because you're trying to activate the last. 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:01.440 What you don't want to do is. 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:04.079 They're from Puerto Rico, but they play on ice. 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:06.720 Okay, so it's clay achen, right? 00:18:09.359 --> 00:18:12.079 Um uh wait, I wanted to say, oh no. 00:18:12.319 --> 00:18:26.559 Oh, I feel like with um ingesting news about politics as we have gotten older, but really as like society has changed, I sort of feel like it's something my wife says all the time is dose makes the poison. 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:30.640 Meaning like a little bit of the news, I can I can take in everything. 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:34.400 And I was like, takes two doses. 00:18:34.640 --> 00:18:36.640 Yeah, I said I'm Puerto Rican, I can speak English. 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:39.920 You don't have to like you keep talking so loud. 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:46.559 As uh my wife says, sorry, as mi esposa says dose makes the poison. 00:18:46.799 --> 00:18:47.519 Two makes the poison. 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:48.559 But in Spanish, dose. 00:18:48.799 --> 00:18:49.200 Yeah, right. 00:18:49.359 --> 00:18:50.240 The dose makes the poison. 00:18:50.319 --> 00:18:51.200 Yeah, no, it makes a lot of sense. 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:53.279 You could kill your you could poison yourself with almost anything. 00:18:53.519 --> 00:18:53.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 00:18:54.160 --> 00:18:58.079 Like the idea being that, yes, you could poison yourself with anything as if you do too much of it. 00:18:58.319 --> 00:18:58.559 That's right. 00:18:58.799 --> 00:19:02.079 And there's so much news happening all the time, it's like always poison. 00:19:02.160 --> 00:19:07.440 It feels like every thing you interact with, except for me on Instagram, I am free from the news. 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:07.839 That's right. 00:19:08.079 --> 00:19:09.119 I'm not I'm not in the news there. 00:19:09.359 --> 00:19:23.680 It also isn't a platform that feels like like on when I when Twitter was more of a thing, I got a lot of my news from Twitter, and I was very careful about which news sources I followed, and and I really had like, I feel like a nice feed going where I was like, I feel like I was following the news from trusted sources. 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:36.400 I made a point to to follow um news organizations from outside the US, so I feel like I could get kind of like a perspective from other countries like like BBC and Breitbart UK, Breitbart Australia, all the Breitbart. 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:37.839 Um Breitbart does. 00:19:38.160 --> 00:19:43.119 I I followed a lot of Irish news because I do really love how Irish the how like Ireland frames the US. 00:19:43.200 --> 00:19:51.119 I feel like Irish people tend to be very direct and like they are not like um they don't have like a romanticized view of the United States, they're very frank and very direct. 00:19:51.359 --> 00:19:51.759 I love that. 00:19:51.920 --> 00:19:57.279 Um so I feel like I had a nice feed going, but Instagram to me doesn't feel like a platform from which to get news. 00:19:57.599 --> 00:20:00.640 Which uh don't get me wrong, Instagram is its own insidious type of poison. 00:20:00.880 --> 00:20:01.200 Oh, sure. 00:20:01.359 --> 00:20:01.839 Oh, it's bad. 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:06.720 Not not disagreeing, I just just wanted to point out that specifically news is not my problem on Instagram. 00:20:06.960 --> 00:20:07.920 Yeah, no, I think that's right. 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:12.640 Um I just actually um last week put a screen time limit for myself on my phone for Instagram. 00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:14.400 And you're not just plowing through that? 00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:16.559 I'm not, I'm not, and that feels not not yet. 00:20:16.880 --> 00:20:17.599 How are you not? 00:20:18.319 --> 00:20:19.839 All you have to do is say ignore. 00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:20.400 Right. 00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:22.559 Because it says, do you want to ignore? 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:22.880 Yeah. 00:20:23.119 --> 00:20:28.079 And there's something about it being phrased like that that it feels like the phone is like, so what do you think, bud? 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:29.279 What are what are your what are we doing? 00:20:29.599 --> 00:20:30.480 Do you want to let yourself down? 00:20:30.559 --> 00:20:31.359 Yeah, what are your priorities? 00:20:31.599 --> 00:20:36.880 Uh here's what I feel like a question that would really work for me is if it said, Do you want to be the kind of person who keeps doing this? 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:37.440 That's right. 00:20:37.680 --> 00:20:39.039 Then I think I wouldn't click it. 00:20:39.359 --> 00:20:42.079 But if it just says do you want to ignore, whatever, I'm like, I don't care. 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:42.799 I ignore. 00:20:43.200 --> 00:20:47.359 I had a friend who he stopped eating junk food by this actually. 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:49.119 The childhood. 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:50.400 Wait, what happened to you? 00:20:50.960 --> 00:20:54.640 So when he's trying to eat when he when he would go to eat junk food, he would go like, I'm not gonna eat this. 00:20:54.720 --> 00:20:56.160 This is something kids eat. 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:57.279 This is for babies. 00:20:57.519 --> 00:20:57.920 Oh wow. 00:20:58.480 --> 00:20:59.839 I think I told everyone that for a month. 00:20:59.920 --> 00:21:00.319 And it worked for him. 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:00.960 And it worked for him? 00:21:01.039 --> 00:21:04.160 For a little while it worked until I ate a Skittle and I'm like, this shit is good. 00:21:04.559 --> 00:21:06.880 Like these are for grown-ups and cool people. 00:21:09.119 --> 00:21:11.039 Yeah, the problem is that candy's so good.

00:21:11.279 --> 00:21:17.279 It's extreme and it is an extremely judgmental way to like I I don't really know how to do it otherwise, I guess. 00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:18.480 But obviously. 00:21:18.880 --> 00:21:19.839 You have to find what works for you. 00:21:19.920 --> 00:21:21.599 I think so many things are a mind game. 00:21:21.759 --> 00:21:25.759 Like, I really love running, but I'm I'm not very good at running, but I love doing it. 00:21:25.839 --> 00:21:31.599 And for me, so much of being able to run is a mental game of being like, well, you just have to put on your running clothes. 00:21:31.680 --> 00:21:32.319 You don't have to go. 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:35.759 And then I'll put on my running clothes and be like, you just have to leave you have to take 10 steps. 00:21:35.839 --> 00:21:37.519 And if you hate it after 10 steps, you can quit. 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:39.920 And once I do it, I'm like, oh I fucking love this, I forgot. 00:21:40.319 --> 00:21:42.799 You do, but when you're doing when you're doing a running running, I love it. 00:21:43.119 --> 00:21:43.440 I love it. 00:21:43.519 --> 00:21:46.799 Every time I take the first step, I'm like, why did I put this off all day? 00:21:46.880 --> 00:21:48.079 Or why did I put this off all week? 00:21:48.240 --> 00:21:48.799 It feels so good. 00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:49.920 I can't get into running. 00:21:50.160 --> 00:21:58.400 And that not everybody can like that's it's not for everyone, but I feel like um but I feel like I do think everyone should do it. 00:21:58.799 --> 00:21:59.119 Should run. 00:21:59.359 --> 00:21:59.839 Don't you think? 00:22:00.079 --> 00:22:01.200 Because if you don't, then you can't. 00:22:01.519 --> 00:22:03.599 Well, I I I do I play basketball. 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:04.960 I'm not saying if you're like unable to. 00:22:05.440 --> 00:22:07.200 No, I think I think not every sport is for everybody. 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:10.240 No, no, but I'm just saying, but you should have maintained the ability to. 00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:13.200 Same friend said uh he started jogging. 00:22:13.279 --> 00:22:16.400 He was like, because I realize if I don't jog, then I literally won't be able to jog. 00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:17.920 At some point, like you just gotta do it. 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:20.559 This friend sounds like somebody who just punishes himself all the time. 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:22.480 We're cutting this part out. 00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:24.559 It's a made-up, it's a made-up person. 00:22:24.799 --> 00:22:25.359 It's a made-up friend. 00:22:25.519 --> 00:22:28.079 This friend sounds like they have such a like punitive relationship with themselves. 00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:30.480 I want to call the friend and be like, you can just have fun, bud. 00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:33.039 This friend hosts a podcast with Michael. 00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:39.279 Yeah, but I think so many things in life are about like just what is the mind trick that helps you get to the floss one tooth. 00:22:39.519 --> 00:22:42.400 I always thought you know that you know that, you know, this is floss one tooth. 00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:45.599 Honestly, that's like something that would be in my philosophy Instagram. 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:46.079 Totally. 00:22:46.319 --> 00:22:47.519 This is floss one tooth. 00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:48.559 What is floss one tooth? 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:49.279 I don't know what it is either. 00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:50.880 Oh, have you ever heard of floss one tooth? 00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:53.359 No, I'm I'm guessing from the phrase, but please keep looking at it. 00:22:53.519 --> 00:22:55.359 You can just feel it's like a pop philosophy situation. 00:22:55.599 --> 00:22:56.240 But I don't hate it. 00:22:56.319 --> 00:22:59.039 As someone who can never make themselves floss, I'm listening. 00:22:59.200 --> 00:22:59.519 Really? 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:00.160 Yeah. 00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:01.359 I used to not like flossing. 00:23:01.839 --> 00:23:02.480 I love flossing. 00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:03.279 I love flossing too. 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:05.200 I like cancer deep if I hadn't flossed. 00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:06.079 I think it hurts so much. 00:23:06.799 --> 00:23:07.200 You know why it hurts? 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:08.480 That's because your shit is all fucked up. 00:23:08.720 --> 00:23:09.039 I don't floss. 00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:09.759 That's because it's your mouth. 00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:12.240 I had a dentist one time tell me, she goes, floss seven days. 00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:13.920 She goes, it's gonna hurt for seven days. 00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:16.079 On the eighth day, I promise you it won't. 00:23:16.240 --> 00:23:16.400 Yeah. 00:23:16.559 --> 00:23:18.880 I was like, Well, that's putting a lot on that eighth day. 00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:22.079 I would just say, like, I really think by the eighth day it's probably gonna be okay. 00:23:22.559 --> 00:23:24.480 Wait, what say floss one tooth? 00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:27.440 Floss one tooth is the same thing with jog ten steps. 00:23:27.519 --> 00:23:31.200 It's just if you floss one tooth, then you'll likely continue. 00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:37.759 Although I I I do think it'd be funny to do a character that heard that advice and then could went on to floss just one tooth, and it's just like the only tooth they have on. 00:23:38.000 --> 00:23:39.279 Yeah, everything else is falling out. 00:23:39.519 --> 00:23:41.599 No, I use the little um flossers. 00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:42.160 You know what I mean? 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:43.359 I'm not using floss anymore. 00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:45.200 I'm using the little thing. 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:48.559 Because you want to maximize the garbage you have um in your house? 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:50.640 Hey man, look, he's flossing, I'm not. 00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:52.559 Let's let's he's doing a great job. 00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:58.000 I take I then I take I take it and I I go out to sea and I wrap it around the neck of a

fish. 00:23:58.319 --> 00:23:58.720 That's right. 00:23:59.039 --> 00:23:59.680 That's right. 00:23:59.920 --> 00:24:00.640 Off you go. 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:01.920 And you know where he learned that? 00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:02.880 Harbor High School. 00:24:03.200 --> 00:24:04.400 The one on Governor's Island. 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:05.599 I forgot they teach that. 00:24:05.759 --> 00:24:06.400 That's right. 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:09.039 I I want to tell you something that someone told me. 00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:14.160 Okay, so I I posted a picture on Instagram and a person replied to it. 00:24:14.319 --> 00:24:14.559 Uh-huh. 00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:16.319 And the picture was me smiling, okay? 00:24:16.559 --> 00:24:17.119 Oh no. 00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:20.720 And they responded and they said, hold on. 00:24:21.119 --> 00:24:22.000 Hold on. 00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:23.200 They said. 00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:26.160 Oh my god, I can't find it. 00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:30.160 Basically, they said, I'm a dentist and this is something like it was like the scare. 00:24:30.319 --> 00:24:35.519 I've never received a message that was more disconcerting than this message, and I can't find it. 00:24:35.920 --> 00:24:37.279 Just say what you felt like it was like. 00:24:37.440 --> 00:24:38.319 Yeah, this is not worth it. 00:24:38.480 --> 00:24:39.119 Yeah. 00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:42.400 Paraphrase, because I'm never gonna fact check you. 00:24:42.480 --> 00:24:42.880 So just yeah. 00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:44.799 Just say whatever you want, whatever would be the most. 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:47.920 I don't know what it was called because she's a dentist and I'm not. 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:52.480 But she said, I'm looking at your mouth, you have insert dental condition. 00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:54.000 I was like, oh my god. 00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:56.799 And she was like, not that bad, but like definitely like worth checking. 00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:59.279 I was like, Did you get it checked out? 00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:00.079 No, we don't know. 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:01.359 We can't even find what it is anymore. 00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:02.240 I don't even know what it is. 00:25:02.400 --> 00:25:08.319 But it's not, it's not, it's not like a thing that's gonna like it's basically I brush so hard my gums disappear. 00:25:08.720 --> 00:25:11.440 I have that on on one part of my mouth. 00:25:11.680 --> 00:25:12.559 On one part of your mouth? 00:25:12.640 --> 00:25:16.079 Well, because what typically what my dad I cannot believe, this is can't be what you guys want to talk about on this podcast. 00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:16.640 No, this is it. 00:25:16.720 --> 00:25:17.519 This is what the podcast is about. 00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:19.920 I stood up and demonstrated pull-ups at one point. 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:22.240 This podcast is improving by the second. 00:25:22.559 --> 00:25:27.200 When you um typically when people brush too hard, they brush their gums away. 00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:34.160 And it typically tends to be most pronounced at the like if you're right, if I'm right-handed, so it was most pronounced here because you tend to go in like this when you start. 00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:38.000 And so the place where you're like the strongest is like the opposite side of your dominant. 00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:40.079 That's why mine's all over, because I'm strong every place. 00:25:40.559 --> 00:25:48.240 I'm so physically strong at every whereas I have like one giant Popeye arm and then one spindly little, like for people who are just listening, that's what I look like. 00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:50.400 A dangly noodle on my that's right. 00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:54.240 I do intuitively, I think the harder you brush, the better it should be. 00:25:54.400 --> 00:25:57.279 I think it's really crazy that the pull back. 00:25:57.359 --> 00:25:58.079 I'm like, what are you talking about? 00:25:58.240 --> 00:25:58.720 I thought that was true. 00:25:58.799 --> 00:26:04.400 And then I tried, I was operating under that assumption my whole life, and then in um middle age, my dentist was like, cool, you need surgery. 00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:05.359 You got surgery? 00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:05.680 Yeah. 00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:06.400 On your gum? 00:26:06.559 --> 00:26:07.279 To move your gum down? 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:07.920 Make more gum. 00:26:08.960 --> 00:26:09.599 Wow, like grass. 00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:11.279 Okay, after this, we're talking about something normal. 00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:12.880 They cut off part of the roof of my mouth. 00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:13.680 And they put it on your gum. 00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:14.240 So it did. 00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:15.119 It was the worst. 00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:16.400 Very painful though, right? 00:26:16.480 --> 00:26:18.880 Uh yeah, I had a baby, and this was worse. 00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:19.680 Wow. 00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:23.839 I would rather have a second baby than have than have done that surgery. 00:26:24.160 --> 00:26:28.000 It was, it hurt so bad, and then I just had to eat mashed potatoes for like a week. 00:26:28.079 --> 00:26:28.799 It was the worst. 00:26:29.039 --> 00:26:34.319 But but all that came from it's not even that I don't brush or that I'm like neglectful, it's just I had done it wrong. 00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:35.119 I thought that was right. 00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:37.119 I thought, right, you brush hard, you're doing a good thorough dry. 00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:38.240 Brush hard should be good. 00:26:38.319 --> 00:26:46.079 And also, here's something, a fact that I'm just remembering about myself is that somehow, maybe this is maybe this can't be true. 00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:49.279 I think I had a toothbrush that was made of horse hair at one point. 00:26:49.519 --> 00:26:50.000 Right. 00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:51.119 Is that possible? 00:26:51.519 --> 00:26:53.440 Well, you were a p you were like a pioneer, right? 00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:54.559 Was that when you were right?

00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:56.319 Your family moved out west in a covered wagon. 00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:56.480 Yeah. 00:26:57.359 --> 00:26:59.279 Well, it was around the time that we settled Nevada. 00:26:59.519 --> 00:26:59.759 That's right. 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:01.279 Well, because it was after the Dust Bowl. 00:27:01.359 --> 00:27:02.559 You had to leave because of the Dust Bowl. 00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:03.599 What are you gonna do? 00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:10.319 Anna, is it possible that I could have had a toothbrush made of horse hair or horse or horse hair toothbrushes? 00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:10.960 Is that something? 00:27:11.200 --> 00:27:12.640 What is Anna back there Googling? 00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:16.000 Michael plus weird childhood plus teeth. 00:27:16.319 --> 00:27:17.519 Horsehair toothbrush. 00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:18.640 They're still making them. 00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:20.160 They're still making them. 00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:23.200 Despite horses' protestations. 00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:24.400 They are still. 00:27:24.640 --> 00:27:26.480 Horses are like, you're riding us. 00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:27.039 That's not enough. 00:27:27.200 --> 00:27:28.400 Horses are like, it's not enough. 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:29.680 Central Park isn't enough. 00:27:29.759 --> 00:27:31.200 You had to also do this. 00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:39.599 I I think I had a horsehair toothbrush that I were, as I recall, was almost like brushing my teeth with knives. 00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:43.279 It was so there's the idea that it's going between your teeth better. 00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:47.200 Is that I don't remember what the I was like very eight years old this time. 00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:48.640 Your breast smells like a horse. 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:49.599 That's the idea. 00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:52.960 But I remember thinking, oh, this is really brushing them. 00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:53.519 I'm brushing. 00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:54.079 Right. 00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:54.559 You think harder. 00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:55.759 Harder is better. 00:27:56.000 --> 00:27:57.200 Because I was operating under harder. 00:27:57.519 --> 00:28:00.160 Harder is better is actually not good advice for a lot of stuff. 00:28:00.480 --> 00:28:03.599 It's that has not come up on his philosophy feed. 00:28:04.079 --> 00:28:05.440 Let's talk about this. 00:28:05.680 --> 00:28:06.160 Jenny. 00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:06.640 Yes. 00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:08.079 What's your day like? 00:28:09.519 --> 00:28:10.960 You wake up in the morning, you write a pitch. 00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:11.920 What is this? 00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:13.920 Sit it off. 00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:14.480 I hate it. 00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:18.880 I that is one thing that's interesting about writing for a late-night show. 00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:21.839 Um, and I get that's like it's a it's a look, it's a fun job. 00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:22.480 I love it so much. 00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:28.160 Whenever I meet a person who is does not have this kind of job, I'm often surprised by how often they want to know that. 00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:29.519 They want to know the schedule. 00:28:29.680 --> 00:28:33.519 And I don't think I've ever met like somebody who has a different profession and be like, you're a dentist. 00:28:33.680 --> 00:28:35.279 So like, what time do you get to work? 00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:36.799 And then when's the first cleaning? 00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:38.079 And then when's the next clean? 00:28:38.240 --> 00:28:39.200 Like, people really will ask me. 00:28:39.599 --> 00:28:40.079 At 7 a.m. 00:28:40.240 --> 00:28:42.319 I rip the roof of the mouth off someone. 00:28:43.039 --> 00:28:46.960 Because I think with dentists, it's very easy to imagine what it is because we've all been to a dentist. 00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:48.240 And like go in there. 00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:56.240 Whereas something that starts in the morning and ends up with a guy saying a bunch of jokes on TV, most people are like, What? 00:28:56.400 --> 00:29:00.720 I think honestly, what it is is how could this take you all day to do this? 00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:02.000 They're like, that seems too easy. 00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:06.319 It to you, so the whole day is just you wrote the jokes that he said this whole day? 00:29:06.640 --> 00:29:07.839 They're like, I was the best man. 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:10.160 I gave a really funny speech, I wrote it at the cocktail. 00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:11.200 Exactly. 00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:12.240 Exactly. 00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:13.839 I I that's what I assume. 00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:16.559 It's like they can't believe that it's like that in disparagingly. 00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:19.440 I just mean like I would not have guessed that that would be the question that people have. 00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:23.519 That might be the like one of the top three questions I get about my job is what is the day-to-day? 00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:24.319 What is the weekly schedule? 00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:24.799 Totally. 00:29:24.880 --> 00:29:25.839 What was it at Colbert? 00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:27.200 What was the what was your day like? 00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:30.480 The first question or set after is he really like that? 00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:31.680 The second one is what's your day? 00:29:31.920 --> 00:29:32.160 Got it. 00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:32.799 That's interesting. 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:33.119 Yeah. 00:29:33.359 --> 00:29:38.960 What's the profession that you would like to know what their day is like? 00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:43.119 Ooh, I think for me, here okay, I'm just off the top of my head. 00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:43.920 There he goes. 00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:44.559 Let him go. 00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:45.680 This is a lame answer? 00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:46.160 No. 00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:47.359 Astronaut. 00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:48.160 What are we doing? 00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:49.519 I swear to God, that was my answer. 00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:50.720 What are we doing in space, guys?

00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:51.759 What are we doing all day? 00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:52.400 That's so funny. 00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:53.759 I was thinking astronaut on Earth. 00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:55.759 I'm like, what are you doing when you're not in space? 00:29:56.960 --> 00:29:58.720 You go to space like three times max. 00:29:58.960 --> 00:29:59.759 Yeah, you're just not in space. 00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:01.200 Probably you go to space once. 00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:02.160 The thing you want to know most. 00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:03.599 No, no, no, no, or maybe never. 00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:09.680 The thing you want to know most from an astronaut is what is it like when you're on Earth? 00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:12.480 So you're you don't want to pull with your arms. 00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:14.559 You want your shoulders depressed. 00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:15.599 On Earth. 00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:17.440 I'm curious what that's like. 00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:19.519 I mean, is it just math all day? 00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:20.960 Jesus God. 00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:22.960 Jenny, what's your answer? 00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:26.960 I think any kind of athlete, because that's I never played sports as a kid at all. 00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:28.559 I've never played a sport on a team. 00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:36.400 And so I think I'm really interested to know like what is like how like drills, conditioning, are you like eating a bunch of weird superfoods for every meal? 00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:39.759 Like, I'm very interested in like team dynamics. 00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:42.799 Are we doing like group sessions where we're like, here's how we all get along? 00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:45.519 Some terrible improv troop coming in to teach you about. 00:30:46.720 --> 00:30:48.079 Oh my god, wouldn't that be awesome? 00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:49.920 If we could teach the liber if we could do improv. 00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:50.240 Yes. 00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:52.640 Oh my god, um, liberty, liberty, liberty. 00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:53.359 We could do this. 00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:54.960 The three of us could teach improv to the liberty. 00:30:55.279 --> 00:30:55.680 I would love that. 00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:58.319 Oh my god, you got and you got and you guys, they would love it. 00:30:58.400 --> 00:30:58.559 Yeah. 00:30:58.720 --> 00:30:59.519 We would do such a good job. 00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:00.400 We would do a great job. 00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:01.039 We'd be the most fun. 00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:02.240 That's just something to think about. 00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:02.720 Yeah. 00:31:02.880 --> 00:31:06.559 Um, because we'd be two, we'd do two exercises and then be like, you guys want to just go hang out? 00:31:06.720 --> 00:31:07.039 Yeah. 00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:08.960 Or unless you didn't want that, we do whatever you wanted. 00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:09.680 We'll do whatever you want. 00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:10.880 Oh, no, you don't want to do that? 00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:11.359 Okay, fine. 00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:13.839 Uh yeah, but I think that would really interest me. 00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:18.160 I think that like I just would be curious to know like what is the what is the weekly routine? 00:31:18.480 --> 00:31:20.960 See, now I sound exactly like somebody talking to me about late night, so now I get it. 00:31:21.119 --> 00:31:24.720 Like I don't understand what that is because I haven't even had like a single toe in it. 00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:25.920 How about you, Astronaut? 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:26.799 I'm not sure astronaut. 00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:28.960 Astronaut on Earth, astronaut in space, athlete. 00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:31.680 Your first wait, were you your first thing as astronaut on Earth? 00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:33.039 That was the first thing I thought of. 00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:35.200 I mean, none of this is like a thought-out answer. 00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:37.200 It's just No, you've been thinking about that for a while. 00:31:37.440 --> 00:31:45.920 I've been dying to say it, and I what I did was I sort of steered the conversation in that direction so I could ask a hypothetical off the cuff so I could say the thing I've always wanted to say. 00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:46.240 Great. 00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:49.519 Um wait, Jenny, you have did you you said you weren't didn't play sports when you were a kid. 00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:50.319 Do you play sports now? 00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:51.519 No, I mean you're running. 00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:53.200 I like to run just on my own. 00:31:53.440 --> 00:31:54.559 I've never been an athlete. 00:31:54.640 --> 00:31:57.119 I grew up like uh I I mean I grew up in the 80s. 00:31:57.200 --> 00:31:57.839 I mean, not obviously. 00:31:57.920 --> 00:31:59.200 If you saw my face, you'd be like, obviously. 00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:05.519 Uh I grew up in the 80s, and it just was a time and I grew up in Virginia, and I think there just wasn't the idea that women play sports. 00:32:05.599 --> 00:32:07.039 Like both my brothers played sports all the time. 00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:11.519 They played a bunch of different sports, and I think it just didn't cross my parents' minds or really anyone's minds. 00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:12.720 I mean, there was some soccer happening. 00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:16.160 Virginia was like an early adopter for like soccer in the US. 00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:18.640 Where in Virginia are you like are we like DC sports fans? 00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:20.240 DC suburbs, DC suburbs. 00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:26.559 And um but it just wasn't part of the culture of my family or really a big part of the culture around me that girls play sports. 00:32:26.799 --> 00:32:28.240 So I just never did. 00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:41.200 And it's so funny because then like as an adult, little by little, I started to realize like I because and then I grew up a theater kid, which is I mean, by definition, if you're doing theater as a kid, you're just indoors in a windowless space for your entire

childhood, never doing it anti-sports. 00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:42.720 Yeah, it's truly the opposite of sports. 00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:45.359 But look around, look at look at where it got where it got you. 00:32:47.759 --> 00:32:50.720 Here in indoors in a different windowless space. 00:32:51.279 --> 00:32:53.519 Two inches away from a pipe and drape situation. 00:32:53.759 --> 00:33:01.440 Um but yeah, so I think like, but I then I was very surprised to learn as an adult, like little by little, like I started running um towards the end of college and was like, oh, I like this. 00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:03.119 And I was like, well, this is a weird anomaly. 00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:04.880 I mostly don't like sports except for this. 00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:09.920 And then at one point, obviously, because I'm a lesbian at some point in some dating situation, I ended up getting in a kayak. 00:33:10.079 --> 00:33:11.920 And I was like, ugh, I'll do this for you. 00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:14.640 And then two things in, I was like, I fucking love this. 00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:15.200 This is the best. 00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:18.240 And I was like, okay, well, I hate sports except running in kayak. 00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:21.039 And then every new physical thing I've tried had been like, this is very fun. 00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:23.839 And then I was like, oh, maybe I should have played sports as a kid and I just didn't. 00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:25.359 What's your attachment style? 00:33:25.599 --> 00:33:26.400 Exactly that, right? 00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:28.559 I hate sports except for all the sports that I've tried. 00:33:28.799 --> 00:33:30.799 Except for every single sport I've tried has been a delight. 00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:36.640 So I think I that's so that's my weird relationship with with athletics, is that like I don't I have never still to this day have never been on a team. 00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:37.759 Oh well, I shouldn't say that. 00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:41.440 In first grade, my parents put me on a soccer team because that's like what everybody in Virginia did. 00:33:41.599 --> 00:33:41.920 Sure, sure. 00:33:42.079 --> 00:33:42.640 But I was terrible. 00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:43.519 Didn't take. 00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:44.960 I didn't know what soccer was. 00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:45.759 This is real. 00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:47.920 They I think they assumed I knew what soccer was. 00:33:48.079 --> 00:33:48.240 Sure. 00:33:48.559 --> 00:34:00.720 We had been living in Puerto Rico, and then we moved to the to the mainland US, and they signed me up immediately for a soccer team, and I went to the first practice, and the coach said dribble the ball, so I picked it up and I dribbled it like a basketball, and then he yelled at me, and I was like, What is happening? 00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:01.839 That's not on you. 00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:04.160 It's not there shouldn't be the same word. 00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:04.720 Thank you. 00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:09.599 For a sport where something you do with your hand shouldn't mean something you do in a sport where you can't use your hand at all. 00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:14.159 That's that's But I think because there was a cultural gap that my parents didn't realize existed. 00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:15.920 Because my parents, you know, like my dad grew up here. 00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:17.920 Like, like I don't think they realized that there was that. 00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:21.679 So I think after the first season, they were like, Oh, she's terrible at this, and they put me in theater. 00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:27.920 So that was like, but other than that, I've never played um sports on a team, and I think it's a thing like I always kind of wish I could, if I could go back in time and like try. 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:32.320 I don't and I'm not trying to say, like, oh, then I'd be at the Olympics, but I just would have loved that that experience. 00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:33.280 I think I would have enjoyed it. 00:34:33.360 --> 00:34:35.760 I think being physical would be more natural part of my life now. 00:34:36.079 --> 00:34:43.920 It's so funny to think of not knowing what soccer is, it's just really the idea of being a thing, and one of the girls kicks a ball and you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you doing? 00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:44.239 Yeah. 00:34:44.480 --> 00:34:44.960 What are you doing? 00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:46.000 Stop, stop, stop. 00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:48.000 And they're like, This is though this is what it is. 00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:49.519 I had no idea it was happening. 00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:57.039 And then, and I actually remember, I don't have a lot because I was very little as five, but but one of the really visceral memories, so I went to a bunch of practices, we did all these drills. 00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:00.000 You don't play a whole, you know, you go to a practice, you do drills. 00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:06.320 And so then I remember that my first game was that weekend, and I was so scared because I didn't understand what the objective was. 00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:12.559 And I finally told my dad, in whatever five-year-old words I could come up with, I was like, I don't, but what is the point of the game? 00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.039 I don't understand what's supposed to happen at the game. 00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:16.719 And the coach kept being like, You guys ready for the game? 00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:18.719 And it's like, no, literally, no. 00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:21.519 And so my dad was such a sweetheart. 00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:23.599 He he goes, Ah, okay, I see. 00:35:23.840 --> 00:35:27.119 He goes, Do you want to just go drive around and let's go see if we can find a game? 00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:28.400 I think this was the weekend before. 00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:31.440 He goes, Let's see if we can go find a game and let's go watch and let's see what's happening. 00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:33.360 Because I couldn't even picture a soccer game. 00:35:33.599

--> 00:35:33.760 Sure. 00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:36.480 And I think thankfully my dad caught on, I think, right before this happened. 00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:44.719 So we drove around my little suburb and we saw some kids playing, and we got out of the car and we watched, and he was like explaining to me, see what they're doing, this, and this is this, and the goalie is this. 00:35:44.800 --> 00:35:45.760 And I was like, Oh, okay, okay. 00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:53.760 But yeah, it was a big it moving to the US was a really weird, weirdly jarring cultural experience in a way that I don't think my parents expected. 00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:56.400 Because, like, like I said, like my dad How old are you were you guys? 00:35:56.559 --> 00:35:56.960 I'm five. 00:35:57.039 --> 00:35:58.800 I was five when this happened and going into first grade. 00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:06.880 And like my dad had grown up in the US, we had lived on a military base, so surrounded by a lot of like English speakers, culturally American, like mainland American people. 00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:10.400 And so I think like I don't think my parents understood it from my perspective. 00:36:10.480 --> 00:36:12.159 All I know is being in Puerto Rico. 00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:15.119 So I don't think they understood that that was gonna be it was like a real. 00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:20.400 I remember at one point too, like the a couple weeks into first grade, some kid next to me raised his hand and told on me. 00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:23.039 He goes, Jennifer just said the S word. 00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:26.320 And I remember turning him going, I don't know what the S word is. 00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:28.000 I was like, can everybody just take a break? 00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:29.440 Is the S word also soccer? 00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:30.719 Because I don't know what that is. 00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:34.480 I truly I remember it being such a wild learning curve and being like, oh right. 00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:42.480 So I think like it's such a silly, but like with I have a son now, and I think I really do try to remind myself, like, you don't know things until someone tells you. 00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:42.719 Yeah. 00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:44.880 Like you don't know what you know, you don't know what you don't know. 00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:45.760 You can't know what you don't know. 00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:53.440 And so I do try to really like never if he tells me he doesn't know something or asks me how to do something, I try to make sure I never look surprised and just go, Great question, bud. 00:36:53.599 --> 00:36:53.840 Great question. 00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:54.960 I'd be like, you idiot. 00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:56.000 Yeah, exactly that. 00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:56.239 Yeah. 00:36:56.400 --> 00:37:02.159 He this is really sweet, but um a friend of his the other day was like that he wanted to hang out, and and she was like, Oh, why don't we go to lunch? 00:37:03.199 --> 00:37:06.239 Which is such a funny thing for like a New York sixth grader to do. 00:37:06.559 --> 00:37:10.400 But I think he just had never, he goes, and it was so funny because to her he goes, Yeah, yeah, cool, cool. 00:37:10.719 --> 00:37:15.840 And then we got home, we ran into her on the street, and he goes, Um, I don't know how going to lunch works if you're not there. 00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:18.400 Like, and he had all these really sweet nuts and bold questions. 00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:24.800 He goes, So, like, um, okay, so I I know how to order, but like when we're done eating and we want to pay, like, how does the waiter know to bring the check? 00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:26.159 And I was like, great question. 00:37:26.639 --> 00:37:29.119 And then I was like, Great, do you want to talk about how to figure out how much to tip? 00:37:29.199 --> 00:37:30.159 And he's like, Okay, yeah. 00:37:30.480 --> 00:37:33.599 And then if we're splitting it, does that mean they're bringing two checks or one check? 00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:34.400 Like, he had all these. 00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:36.000 These are all perfectly fair questions. 00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:40.480 And also hard to answer because very location specific and for sure. 00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:40.719 Yeah. 00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:42.079 And also, but you don't know what it is. 00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:45.840 And I and I try to be like, oh, if this happens and you don't understand it, it's also okay to ask. 00:37:46.000 --> 00:37:49.599 Because you also don't know when is it okay to ask this thing and when am I the asshole for not knowing? 00:37:49.920 --> 00:37:58.559 But anyway, all to say, I think because I had that experience as a kid, and it's it wasn't my parents weren't like negligent or anything, I think you just assume why wouldn't this child know what soccer is? 00:37:58.800 --> 00:37:59.519 Yes, right? 00:37:59.920 --> 00:38:01.519 Why wouldn't they know basic swears? 00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:17.599 I think about a thing with my my dad and my sister doing math, like a a core memory is like her learning multiplication in school and getting home and being like like having difficulty doing seven times thirteen or something, and my dad being like 91. 00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:18.960 Now you try. 00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:21.280 With no help for the process. 00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:22.559 And she's like, I don't that didn't. 00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:24.239 She's like, uh, okay, 87. 00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:24.800 Have I done it? 00:38:25.280 --> 00:38:26.079 What we I just say a number? 00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:31.039 Now you, I did it, now you do it. 00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:32.079 That's so funny. 00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:36.960 Yeah, no, I really I I mean, I really I'm an I'm corny in that. 00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:38.559 Like, I really, really love parenting. 00:38:38.639 --> 00:38:40.880 Like, I don't have any of that, like, oh, kids, am I right? 00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:58.320 Like, I really enjoy parenting, and I think part of it is like it's a cool

thing to like watch someone explore the world, get to know the world, learn how to navigate the world, and I think like a real joy of parenting for me is like getting to walk someone through new processes and be like, okay, great, and like try to take like the fear or the mystery out of them. 00:38:58.800 --> 00:38:59.760 That's really that's lovely. 00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:10.400 Yeah, I mean, I also like I I love parenting, but I mean it's not that I'm perfect at it, and I certainly have my conflicts with with the subjects of my parenting from time to time. 00:39:10.719 --> 00:39:14.239 If you told me you were perfect at parenting, that'd be the fastest way for me to tell you you're terrible at it. 00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:16.800 That'd be like a great shorthand for me to be like, oh, he sucks. 00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:18.320 But go ahead, you love parenting. 00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:19.360 No, that's it. 00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:28.800 I I like I I I mean I think so much about the effect, like I mean, I just told that story about my dad, but like my parents were like uh I had kind of exceptional parents. 00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:29.280 That's right. 00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:34.000 I feel like I feel like there's like they were um, you know, weird in some ways. 00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:36.079 Are your are your parents weird in their ways? 00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:37.199 Uh everyone's weird. 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:37.599 Yeah. 00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:39.039 So I I think I have a lot of people. 00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:39.440 In the world. 00:39:39.519 --> 00:39:43.280 No, I mean I mean I think everyone's are they we you you asked, are they weird in their own ways? 00:39:43.440 --> 00:39:44.480 Like, yeah, that's that's everyone. 00:39:45.199 --> 00:39:51.599 I guess what I was thinking about is recently having a conversation with someone who was like, you know, because of my dad, this, that, and the other thing. 00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:59.280 And there's a part of me that has uh I guess I have the privilege of having had great parents, but I'm always like, is that really because of your dad anymore? 00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:03.840 Now that you're now that you're 40, isn't it at a certain point, doesn't it become because of you? 00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:05.920 Isn't hasn't this become your problem now? 00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:08.960 Man, I think but childhood is so formative. 00:40:09.199 --> 00:40:09.360 Yeah. 00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:13.039 I think there's some things for that for which that's true, and some things are so formative too. 00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:14.079 Yeah, what's the what is it? 00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:14.800 What say the thing? 00:40:15.039 --> 00:40:16.960 I'm definitely not blow up your friend right now. 00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:17.760 What's the thing? 00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:26.000 I think there are some things that that alter our wiring or set our wiring to such a firm degree that like I mean there's some things obviously that are traumatic. 00:40:26.159

--> 00:40:26.559 Like sure. 00:40:26.719 --> 00:40:28.079 So I'm forgetting those things. 00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:29.119 Obviously, those things. 00:40:29.440 --> 00:40:34.239 Yeah, like if someone has borderline personality disorder because they were like subjected to neglect, I'm gonna give them a pass. 00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:36.559 If they're like, this is because of my parents, I'll be like, fair, fair. 00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:37.119 Absolutely absolutely. 00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:42.800 But if someone's like constantly five minutes late to meet you for drinks and they're like, sorry, this is because my dad, then like But don't you think? 00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:47.519 But see, but see, I feel this is now this maybe you maybe you don't disagree with this. 00:40:47.679 --> 00:40:55.119 I what I my reaction to that would be, yeah, it might be because of your dad, but it that doesn't mean you can't improve necessarily. 00:40:56.159 --> 00:40:58.320 Maybe it means you can not improve too. 00:40:58.480 --> 00:40:58.960 That's okay too. 00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:01.119 I just want to like take a moment. 00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:06.639 Like, I did really just casually drop borderline personality disorder, and like I just like off the cuff knew some of the causes of it. 00:41:06.719 --> 00:41:08.400 And because you've seen that on Instagram. 00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:08.960 That's right. 00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:11.039 I saw that on Instagram. 00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:13.920 I saw a real and I uh actually remembered it. 00:41:14.079 --> 00:41:14.320 Uh-huh. 00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:16.880 Okay, wait, what's what is what is a cool thing? 00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:18.159 What's a cool thing you see on Instagram? 00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:19.920 Like, teach me what teach me one thing you saw in Instagram. 00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:22.400 And then once you're done with that, just like, what's your day like? 00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:32.159 Uh a cool thing that I the thing, the baseball thing that I saw, that I was like, I should tell my son this, and then I was like, let's not start a a thing with our son where every time I start talking to him, like he doesn't even have a phone yet. 00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:33.360 Let me not introduce to him. 00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:34.719 You know what I read on Instagram? 00:41:34.960 --> 00:41:36.639 Um he'll he'll find his way there. 00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:48.000 But uh the thing I read was that in the 1800s, uh early days of baseball, the pitcher's job was to just toss the ball to the batter so that they could hit it. 00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:56.320 Like the idea was like, I'm sure the idea was like, and then the ball gets put into play, and then what the actual game is what you do in the infield, what you do in the outfield, blah blah blah. 00:41:56.800 --> 00:42:09.599 Until there was this one guy, and there was very firm rules about how you tossed it, but there was this one guy who figured out a way to within those confines throw it in such a way

that it was difficult to hit, and people were like, hey, hey, hey, what are you doing? 00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:10.159 And he's like, What? 00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:17.519 I'm following the rules, and then that is what created modern pitching, where like the goal is actually to get it past the batter and the challenges for the batter to hit it. 00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:17.679 Wow. 00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:23.360 And that that right, and that one guy altered all of major, all of all of pitching and basically the history of baseball. 00:42:23.519 --> 00:42:25.039 The truly the history of baseball. 00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:29.039 That guy, there's a direct line between that guy to Tommy John surgery. 00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:29.679 Whoa. 00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:31.679 Oh no, yeah. 00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:37.280 I mean, but but that I love the idea that like within the confines by following the rules, he just fully changed the game and all that. 00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:39.519 This is do you know the history of dribbling in basketball? 00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:40.239 You definitely do. 00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:40.880 I don't think so. 00:42:41.199 --> 00:42:42.719 Did it start with a little girl at soccer practice? 00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:43.119 Yes. 00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:44.239 Did I invent it? 00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:45.760 Um Tell me. 00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:46.800 I'm gonna get this wrong. 00:42:46.880 --> 00:42:47.280 Uh-huh. 00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:48.960 But I'm excited for that. 00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:51.199 I'm excited for us to say something that is factually not true. 00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:52.480 I think this actually is true. 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:57.039 And I'm so I just feel like you the reason I'm doubting it is because I feel like you would know it if it were true. 00:42:57.280 --> 00:43:04.079 But um I think what it was was the rule was that you could only pass the ball, you could never run with the ball. 00:43:04.239 --> 00:43:09.679 And then one person similarly was like, Well, what if I bounce it and then I pass it? 00:43:10.159 --> 00:43:11.280 I'm basically passing it to myself. 00:43:11.679 --> 00:43:15.360 And so dribbling is the act of passing it to yourself constantly. 00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:18.639 And then I guess when they did that, yeah, similar people were like, Well, you can't do that. 00:43:18.719 --> 00:43:19.760 And he's like, Well, not I'm not. 00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:20.719 Show me where I can't. 00:43:21.039 --> 00:43:21.440 Yeah, exactly. 00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:23.280 And then that and then that became how we move. 00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:25.119 Oh, here's another thing I got from Instagram. 00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:30.639 And this again was uh Instagram being like, Oh, Jenny, what if we take all of your interests and smoosh them together? 00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:32.239 Then you'll be powerless against us. 00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:38.320 Uh, I read on Instagram, so again, I'm assuming it's true, that the three-point line in basketball was invented in Puerto Rico. 00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:39.119 Puerto Rico. 00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:45.280 Is that not the intersection of all my interests as a li New York Liberty season ticket holder and Puerto Rican? 00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:46.960 Your Instagram by an avoidant person. 00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:48.400 Yeah, by an avoidant person. 00:43:48.639 --> 00:43:51.360 Your Instagram just tells you at some point that everything was invented in Puerto Rico. 00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:53.440 And I'm like, see, that's why it's the best country. 00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:55.039 That's why it's the best country. 00:43:55.360 --> 00:43:57.360 The French national anthem written in Puerto Rico. 00:43:57.840 --> 00:43:59.119 Why did it invented in Puerto Rico? 00:43:59.360 --> 00:43:59.840 That I don't know. 00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:04.559 But it was like one of the it was like it was like a slideshow that was like things that came from Puerto Rico that you like why it's awesome. 00:44:04.639 --> 00:44:06.079 And it was like the hammock, the three-point line. 00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:07.119 I was like The Hammock? 00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:09.199 I think the hammock is from the Taino people. 00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:10.079 Wow, that's a good one. 00:44:10.239 --> 00:44:12.079 But again, never fact checked it. 00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:13.280 Just decided to. 00:44:13.679 --> 00:44:15.199 Do you know the musical The Cape Man? 00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:15.599 No. 00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:16.000 Okay. 00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:16.880 What is it called? 00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:17.840 The Cape Man. 00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:20.480 As in like I wear a cape and I am Cape Man. 00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:23.599 Uh it was about, I think it may be like maybe even a cape or the place. 00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:24.559 I wear a cape. 00:44:24.639 --> 00:44:25.199 Oh, it is Cape. 00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:25.920 The garment. 00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:26.079 Okay. 00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:31.280 Um Paul Simon wrote a Broadway musical, and one of the songs in it is I Was Born in Puerto Rico. 00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:32.079 Great. 00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:35.679 And they referenced the Taino people, and that's what I thought of when you said that. 00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:36.880 And that is the end of this part. 00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:39.360 Who is Cape Man in that? 00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:41.280 Mark Anthony played the original. 00:44:41.760 --> 00:44:42.960 It was the lead of the original. 00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:44.719 I love everything about that musical. 00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:45.519 Michael Haskell. 00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:46.639 I feel like you blipped away. 00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:48.239 It blipped over from a different reality. 00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:49.119 It was too much. 00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:53.679 It was cost a lot of money and bombed. 00:44:53.840 --> 00:44:54.079 Wow. 00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:55.679 But I think it's the music's pretty good. 00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:57.119 Well Simon, baby. 00:44:57.440 --> 00:45:05.599

I um we have known each other for a long time, but like we're acquaintances for a long time, but because we were in an improv group when I first moved to New York. 00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:05.760 Yeah. 00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:07.119 Wearing Baby Month Candy. 00:45:07.280 --> 00:45:16.800 And one of my first, maybe my first memory of you is you just casually quoting In the Heights, but like the quote was so long and exact that I remember being like, damn, this guy knows a lot about musicals. 00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:18.159 That was my first impression of you. 00:45:18.400 --> 00:45:19.519 Well, that's that's right. 00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:23.039 Unfortunately, I would want there's nothing to say about that except that's an accurate impression of the. 00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:25.920 But to your credit, it was like before the movie came out, before Hamilton. 00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:28.320 It was just a at that point, In the Heights was kind of a deep cut. 00:45:28.559 --> 00:45:29.679 What do you think the quote was? 00:45:29.760 --> 00:45:32.239 Just assuming the story's all, you know, what do you think it was? 00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:34.800 Oh yeah, what would you say is like a quote you love from In the Heights? 00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:35.760 Because I remember what the quote is. 00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:36.320 Oh, you do? 00:45:36.400 --> 00:45:36.800 I do remember the quote. 00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:38.000 Oh my gosh, I'm so excited, Michael. 00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:38.320 What was it? 00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:42.639 I'm trying to think of like the parts of In the Heights that I really like to this day. 00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:45.280 I've sort of fallen off on my In the Heights fandom. 00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:49.840 Um I like If I Win the Lottery, you'll never see me again. 00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:54.159 Um I also like, I mean, lights up, Washington Heights Up. 00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:54.639 Mm-hmm. 00:45:54.800 --> 00:45:58.079 But I'm trying to think of what would be a a longer, a longer piece. 00:45:58.320 --> 00:45:59.840 Maybe it was like two, it was like two lines back to back. 00:45:59.920 --> 00:46:01.039 It was like a rhyme, like a couplet. 00:46:01.199 --> 00:46:01.599 I don't remember. 00:46:01.679 --> 00:46:01.760 Okay. 00:46:01.920 --> 00:46:02.719 We would give him a hit. 00:46:02.960 --> 00:46:03.519 I'm gonna. 00:46:03.679 --> 00:46:06.480 Um it was in 96,000. 00:46:07.199 --> 00:46:08.320 Isn't if I win the lottery. 00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:10.000 Oh no, it was it was if I win the lottery. 00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:12.559 If I win the lottery, you'll never see me again. 00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:14.079 Stay broke then, damn. 00:46:14.159 --> 00:46:14.719 We just joke again. 00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:15.760 That's exactly what I think. 00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:16.400 Is that really what it was? 00:46:17.360 --> 00:46:19.920 You've actually taken I'm not sure if that's exactly right, but that's pretty close to being. 00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:21.199 That was Dan Stay

Broke then. 00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:27.440 I feel like you've taken that line and kind of folded it into your worldview because you've told me before, if you win the lottery, I will never see you. 00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:40.639 The reason that that the reason that that line stuck with me is it is because it's something that I have thought in my life, which is like, oh, if I won the lottery and I had like, let's say I had a billion dollars, most of the people I know right now, I would never see them again. 00:46:40.800 --> 00:46:42.480 I remember this because you looked me in the eyes this time. 00:46:43.840 --> 00:46:45.440 Me and my wife, my kids, we're gonna live on the fucking phones. 00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:47.199 You you you couched it differently this time. 00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:53.199 You said most of the people when you told me this, you looked me in the eyes and said, You will never see me again. 00:46:53.519 --> 00:46:55.440 Which is very different than most people. 00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:58.559 It's called, yeah, he refers to it as no asher money. 00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:01.440 He's like, he has a number in his head, and he's like, if I can get to this number, I'll never see Asher. 00:47:01.679 --> 00:47:05.360 I can reach escape velocity from Asher if I have a billion dollars. 00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:08.960 Listen, this is a funny joke, but I never want, I never want to be away from Asher. 00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:11.679 After you said that, I actually did sit with it for a little while. 00:47:11.840 --> 00:47:22.239 And I was, and I did think to myself, and we never talked about it afterwards, but I did think to myself, that's so sad because I think if I had a lot of money, what the thing I would do mo more is see my friends. 00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:23.679 Yeah, I was just I'm just kidding right now. 00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:25.679 A weird- I don't know, I really it hit me. 00:47:25.760 --> 00:47:25.920 Really? 00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:30.960 I had kind of a lovely realization a few months ago because there was some big lottery conversation. 00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:34.159 I'm sure there was like one of those things in the news where there's like a giant jackpot and blah, blah, blah. 00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:35.519 And I was thinking, like, what would I do? 00:47:35.599 --> 00:47:38.719 I'm not a person who plays a lottery, but I was like, what would I do if I had like a billion dollars? 00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:45.519 And I weirdly was like, well, I'd still do this, and I'd still live in my neighborhood, and I'd still have these friends, and I'd still do blah blah blah, and I love my job. 00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:48.639 And then I was like, oh, what a lovely realization. 00:47:48.800 --> 00:47:52.320 I don't know that I would do anything differently except worry less. 00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:55.360 Like I wouldn't work, you know, I wouldn't think like, am I saving enough for retirement? 00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:56.400 Can I pay for college? 00:47:56.639

--> 00:48:04.559 But like, I was like, oh, I And then I was like, I travel a little bit, but not so much that I didn't feel like I was still rooted at home, which is kind of what I do now. 00:48:04.719 --> 00:48:07.280 Like I take a trip a year, probably or two. 00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:09.840 And I was like, oh, am I okay? 00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:10.719 Am I happy? 00:48:10.880 --> 00:48:11.920 Am I yeah, exactly that. 00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:13.840 I was like, what a lovely realization. 00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:16.239 It's not like I wouldn't like have more kids. 00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:18.000 I have the number of kids I want to have. 00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:19.679 I had like, you know what I mean? 00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:23.840 Like I would you would you have a bigger, would you move to a different home? 00:48:24.239 --> 00:48:29.199 I don't think I would because I have this really lovely, I just happen to be, and like I don't have a fancy home. 00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:32.719 I rent an apartment in New York, but it's on a block that I love. 00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:36.159 I happen to be friends with a lot of my neighbors, which I feel really lovely about. 00:48:36.400 --> 00:48:43.920 I like I'm right next to Prospect Park, so I feel like I am lucky enough to be in a New Yorker who has access to a lot of outdoor space. 00:48:44.079 --> 00:48:45.679 I love Brooklyn. 00:48:46.159 --> 00:48:56.000 Um I just feel like I am like yeah, I feel like for this point in my life, I really I love living in New York as I know I've referenced it 17 times now, but as someone who's Puerto Rican, like But you're Puerto Rican. 00:48:56.239 --> 00:48:56.400 Yes. 00:48:56.559 --> 00:48:56.800 Whoa. 00:48:56.960 --> 00:48:58.400 Yeah, but not one of the hockey playing ones. 00:48:58.639 --> 00:49:00.320 I know that's a big stereotype about us. 00:49:00.639 --> 00:49:07.840 Um but I think like I moved around a lot and grew up in I grew up in Virginia, like I said, and lived in a lot of cities where people didn't know what that was. 00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:10.880 And then I landed in New York and people are like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. 00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:12.719 I have a good coquito recipe for you. 00:49:12.880 --> 00:49:14.079 I'm like, you have one for me. 00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:17.519 Like people are like deeply literate about Puerto Rico here, and that's been lovely. 00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:25.360 So I feel like I've gotten to like have that be more part of my I've gotten to really like enjoy that part of my identity more instead of like set it on a shelf. 00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:29.679 I like I have this job that is, you know, you can pretty much only have here or in LA. 00:49:29.920 --> 00:49:30.719 What's it like? 00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:31.440 My job? 00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:31.920 Your day? 00:49:32.400 --> 00:49:32.800 Thanks for asking. 00:49:33.119 --> 00:49:35.280 Yeah, like just like like what is it, what do you do? 00:49:35.519 --> 00:49:38.960 Well, from from usually from like 10 to noon, I field questions about what my day is like. 00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:39.199 Okay. 00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:40.400 That's at least two hours of my day. 00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:41.119 Mostly from Asher. 00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:42.719 Yeah, mostly from my space-timing you. 00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:43.280 Mostly, yeah. 00:49:43.440 --> 00:49:47.679 But anyway, all to say, I was like, what a lovely realization to be like, I'm not sure if you're going to change that. 00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:48.239 Don't like it. 00:49:48.639 --> 00:49:49.519 I would move the next day. 00:49:49.920 --> 00:49:50.320 Where would you go? 00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:50.880 Where would you move? 00:49:50.960 --> 00:49:51.840 To Puerto Rico, be honest. 00:49:52.079 --> 00:49:52.480 Oh, no, no. 00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:53.840 No, I'm saying I would stay in New York. 00:49:54.239 --> 00:49:55.760 I would move out of my apartment. 00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:57.840 Like that would be What okay, to where? 00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:00.239 To a different neighborhood, or you just want like a nicer place? 00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:04.000 Oh, I would have a dishwasher, I would have I would have laundry in U.S. 00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:07.360 I would I oh sorry, I would hire a dishwasher. 00:50:07.599 --> 00:50:07.840 Yeah, sure. 00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:08.159 Register. 00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:13.519 Um no, I mean I would just yeah, just like basic amenities and stuff. 00:50:13.679 --> 00:50:14.239 That's amazing. 00:50:14.400 --> 00:50:15.440 You're in a nice place too. 00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:16.559 I'm in a nice place. 00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:20.960 I think if I if I really won the lottery, what would I do? 00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:23.679 I think I would want to like f fix the things that don't work. 00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:24.719 Like some things don't work. 00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:28.159 My my we have a washing machine, very lucky to have a washing machine in the house. 00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:36.719 In order to use the washing machine, we have it connected to a power strip, and the power strip has to be turned on and off between each usage of the washing machine. 00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:38.559 Or else it won't fill with water. 00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:43.119 For some reason, we figured out if you toggle the power strip, it will fill with water. 00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:44.079 I would fix that. 00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:46.159 How fix that has to be fixable. 00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:47.840 Of course it is to be fixable. 00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:50.800 But so what's stopping you now is my question. 00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:54.159 Um, if that's a really good holy shit. 00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:56.000 I like to just start crying. 00:50:57.519 --> 00:50:59.840 Um Yeah, you know what's stopping him? 00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:03.360 This paralysis he has around small decisions from his dad. 00:51:03.599 --> 00:51:03.840 Wow. 00:51:04.079 --> 00:51:04.159 Right? 00:51:04.320 --> 00:51:05.360 It's all his dad.

00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:06.880 Because your dad anymore. 00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:08.079 Yeah, and now it's a you problem. 00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:09.599 That's kind of I mean it's serious because of my dad. 00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:11.039 You can't make fun of me for saying this to my dad. 00:51:12.400 --> 00:51:13.840 91, now you go. 00:51:14.079 --> 00:51:15.519 My son calls that a YP. 00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:16.480 What's a YP? 00:51:16.639 --> 00:51:17.199 Your problem. 00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:18.239 YP, baby. 00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:20.320 I'll say something to my son and go, that sounds like a YP. 00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:21.440 It's got to be you problem. 00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:22.800 But um I don't know. 00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:27.360 I don't know what I would do, but don't people who win the lottery disproportionately like crash out and kill themselves? 00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:28.480 Yes, ruin their fucking lives. 00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:31.920 That's why I'm like, if I had a lot of money, uh you have to be, it's like butterfly effect, right? 00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:36.000 Because of course my first thought is like, ooh, I'd buy the building I live in, and then all my friends could live there. 00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:41.440 I'd I'd buy I'd buy the building, and then it has like six units, and so then like I'd move all my friends into my apartment and blah blah blah. 00:51:41.599 --> 00:52:01.679 But like the I feel like the house of cards that is all of our lives, it's like you don't know what maybe that changes the dynamic of your friendships because you see them more, and then maybe you all start to get on your nerves, or maybe that changes the dynamic of your friendships because there's a weird landlord-tenant relate now dynamic to what what were what was before an even relationship. 00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:04.320 I think every little thing where you're like, I'd have a vacation house. 00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:06.559 I'd stay in my regular life, but I'd have a vacation house. 00:52:06.639 --> 00:52:10.400 But maybe now you're there all the time, and so you're less connected to your base life. 00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:12.000 I think I think right. 00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:20.639 I to me, I feel like having lottery money would be a very quick way to think, well, I'm just gonna do a few fun things and then quickly become unrecognizable to yourself. 00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:27.280 I feel like the thing that would- I'm buying my mom a house, I'm buying my dad a house, I'm putting a bunch in retirement and I'm moving to an apartment with a washer dryer. 00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:28.400 But still in New York? 00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:44.159 Well, yeah, I don't think I I don't have any reason to leave right now, but I think that I would assume the thing that makes people so sad after they win the lottery is that you remove all the friction from your life, and a frictionless life is so deeply sad. 00:52:44.480 --> 00:52:50.320 Well, it's also once you have the money, you

can no longer hold on to the dream that if you had the money, you'd be happy. 00:52:50.480 --> 00:53:01.519 This is the this is the the downside of achieving your dreams too, because you achieve them and you're like, oh wait, this thing that I always sort of thought once I achieved it, I would I would like to unlock a certain level of satisfaction, didn't unlock that. 00:53:01.599 --> 00:53:04.000 And now I'm just kind of like hoping. 00:53:04.320 --> 00:53:05.440 So what would unlock it? 00:53:05.599 --> 00:53:07.840 Well, I think, well, you don't want to know the answer to that. 00:53:08.159 --> 00:53:10.000 I read on Instagram. 00:53:10.320 --> 00:53:10.559 Okay. 00:53:12.079 --> 00:53:12.320 Thank you. 00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:13.760 I read on psychology Instagram. 00:53:14.000 --> 00:53:23.679 The reason that it is very hard for humans to be just fundamentally happy all the time is that you reach a new level of happiness, whatever that means for you, a new relationship, a new job, a new amount of money. 00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:31.760 And for a little bit, you get this like rush of like whatever it is, dopamine, you know, and and you have this flood of happiness. 00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:37.199 But that our brains are wired to adjust and create a baseline just so that we can survive. 00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:41.599 Because otherwise you would, I don't know, short circuit from walking around all the time in a constant state of wonder. 00:53:41.760 --> 00:53:41.920 Yeah. 00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:45.280 Um, every time you saw a baby smile, you'd like fucking lose your mind. 00:53:45.760 --> 00:53:51.039 So um our brains are forced to adjust to a baseline and create a baseline for us, like neurologically. 00:53:51.280 --> 00:54:00.000 And so the idea that I read on Instagram, so it has to be true, is that a very wonderful thing can happen to you, but eventually your brain will adjust to it. 00:54:00.079 --> 00:54:03.360 And so then you will you constantly, it's like doing drugs, I imagine. 00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:08.159 Um, you constantly need uh something else to make you happy. 00:54:08.239 --> 00:54:12.960 So that's kind of why like humans can't just like reach a certain thing and be like, that's it, now I'm eternally happy. 00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:14.559 Like you need something else. 00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:15.760 That totally makes sense to me. 00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:23.039 And I think it's one of the reasons that wealth can really be depressive is that it's too easy to get all the things. 00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:25.360 So now all the things that you're like, oh, this would make me happy. 00:54:25.440 --> 00:54:25.920 You have all of them. 00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:29.280 It's meaningless if you can get if you can just reach out and get anything, it's right. 00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:32.400 And that's why then you become a then you become a problem person. 00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:36.719 Because now you're like, well, I you know you know, I can't get I can't get

the tail of a Siberian tiger. 00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:37.599 That's right. 00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:44.239 The most satisfying, you know, like you go on like a like procrastinating writing or something, and you like you're like, mm-hmm, Google this. 00:54:44.480 --> 00:54:45.519 I've never done that, but go ahead. 00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:46.320 Okay, yeah. 00:54:46.559 --> 00:54:48.639 Uh but like I was like, I don't know, whatever. 00:54:48.719 --> 00:54:55.840 I was in one of those internet wormholes where I like looked up, I probably was like trying to write a monologue joke that referenced Goodnight Moon, and I was like, who wrote that again? 00:54:55.920 --> 00:54:57.920 And then I looked at her and I was like, did she ever write anything else? 00:54:58.079 --> 00:54:59.039 I don't know, who knows? 00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:03.360 But I ended up in this internet wormhole about Good Night Moon and the woman who wrote Good Night Moon. 00:55:03.920 --> 00:55:06.000 And she has the most fascinating backstory. 00:55:06.079 --> 00:55:09.840 Like, do you ever read a Wikipedia entry and you're like halfway through like, this is boring? 00:55:10.400 --> 00:55:10.960 Absolutely not. 00:55:11.360 --> 00:55:11.840 Locked in. 00:55:12.079 --> 00:55:12.559 Locked in. 00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:18.239 Okay, so the woman who wrote Good Night Moon, Margaret something or other, wrote a bunch of books. 00:55:18.559 --> 00:55:21.760 And Good Night Moon wasn't even one of the most famous ones. 00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:27.119 And when she died, she never married or married and divorced or whatever. 00:55:27.840 --> 00:55:30.639 Had you know boyfriends, had a girlfriend or two. 00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:32.079 Um dies. 00:55:32.880 --> 00:55:40.559 And then when she dies, leaves the rights to just Good Night Moon to one of the kids in the family that live next door. 00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:43.039 Not all of them, she didn't leave them. 00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:46.719 Each, nobody knows, and still to this day, nobody's like, nobody knows why she chose this kid. 00:55:47.199 --> 00:55:54.480 They're like, I guess they were kind of friends, but she's like, this little kid, his name's Albert or something, he's just gonna get the residuals from Good Night Moon. 00:55:55.039 --> 00:55:57.039 And everybody's like, that's kind of weird, but whatever. 00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:00.639 And then at some point in like the 60s, I'm sorry, how long is your program? 00:56:00.800 --> 00:56:01.199 Three hours. 00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:10.159 At some point in like the 60s, the US government is like, we're gonna do this program where we send books to every public school school library, and Good Night Moon happens to be on the list. 00:56:10.559 --> 00:56:12.880 And so as a result, they sell a bunch of copies of it. 00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:19.119 And then a whole generation of people read it as kids, they get emotionally attached to it, and then they're like, I'm gonna buy it for my kids. 00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:22.800 So it has it becomes part of the like American canon. 00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:26.480 And this child becomes very fucking wealthy. 00:56:26.880 --> 00:56:39.599 And then I read this whole fascinating feature article on him, and it basically ruined him because at the end of the year, every year, every December, he gets some massive check. 00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:43.840 And then he spends the whole next calendar year just blowing through it. 00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:47.920 He'll buy a car, crash into a tree, walk away from it, buy another one. 00:56:48.079 --> 00:57:01.119 He'll like give a h buy a house, get bored with it, give it to a friend, and he just becomes this like deeply aimless person because he knows no matter what he does, at the end of the year in December, he's getting some big fat fucking he's getting that good night moon money. 00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:04.079 He's got that moon money, right? 00:57:04.400 --> 00:57:06.480 That cow jumping over the moon money. 00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:09.679 And so um he yeah, but it's basically about that. 00:57:09.760 --> 00:57:16.559 It's like the idea that like you can have so much money that you become aimless, and there's really nothing to your point. 00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:25.360 Life becomes frictionless, there are no consequences for your actions, you don't have to work towards anything, and I think that would be a very sad way to be. 00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:30.960 I would sleep in a hospital bed hooked up to all the machines monitoring my vitals. 00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:32.800 Oh, never mind, that's normal. 00:57:33.519 --> 00:57:37.679 That was such a depressing story to fill your podcast with, and I'm sorry, but I'm not fascinated by it. 00:57:38.880 --> 00:57:39.840 I'm fascinated by it. 00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:41.280 The clip is nine minutes. 00:57:41.679 --> 00:57:45.039 She lived on McDougal, and so every once in a while I'll be there like eating at a round. 00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:48.159 But one point I was eating at a cafe and I was like across the street from the house. 00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:48.639 She lived in it. 00:57:48.719 --> 00:57:49.760 I was like, I'm like trying to act normal. 00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:54.480 I was on a date, and I'm like trying to act normal, and all I can think is this is the block where she ruined that child's life. 00:57:54.719 --> 00:57:56.559 Let me tell you, don't tell that story on a date. 00:57:56.719 --> 00:57:57.440 It doesn't go over big. 00:57:57.840 --> 00:58:00.960 You having a faraway look on a date, and your date would be like, what are you thinking about? 00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:02.320 And you're like, Well, let me tell you the story. 00:58:02.559 --> 00:58:03.840 So I did ultimately, I couldn't stop. 00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:04.559 And I did tell it. 00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:08.960 And I did, and by the end of it, her face was like, Okay, cool. 00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:12.159 So I was like, Yeah, I shouldn't, that should have been an inside

thought. 00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:21.199 It's an it's an interesting story because also when the woman gives the kid the rights, she has no reason to believe that book is going to be incredibly successful. 00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:30.320 So, like it's not even it's it makes it actually less weird that she gave this kid arbitrary kid the it was almost like just like odd more than anything. 00:58:30.559 --> 00:58:31.679 But it still is a little weird. 00:58:31.840 --> 00:58:36.880 It's like I don't know, like like there's a family that lives upstairs from me in my building. 00:58:37.039 --> 00:58:41.679 They're lovely, we're friendly, we're not lifelong friends, like we're not and they have two children. 00:58:41.760 --> 00:58:46.880 What if I just picked one of them and was like the rest of my sort of fledgling book that no one reads? 00:58:47.599 --> 00:58:53.760 Here's the rights to one monologue joke I wrote, and then somehow after I die, it becomes like the most famous monologue. 00:58:54.320 --> 00:58:57.440 The government is sending a monologue to every school. 00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:03.679 This one about Trump's tiny hands is really cool. 00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:05.840 Whoa! We nailed it. 00:59:06.159 --> 00:59:06.800 Got it. 00:59:07.119 --> 00:59:07.599 Oh, wait. 00:59:08.159 --> 00:59:09.519 Something I should have said before. 00:59:09.679 --> 00:59:13.760 I haven't seen you since I performed It's Raining Fish on TV, I don't think. 00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:15.840 Buddy, that was the that made me so happy. 00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:28.719 So just to go, just to inform our audience, uh I pitched a joke about the song It's Raining Men, probably like six years ago at Colbert, and it got killed. 00:59:29.039 --> 00:59:36.800 And you have a show called Late Night Trash, where late night writers come and they do like bits of bits that have been rejected for their show. 00:59:37.119 --> 00:59:50.880 So I wrote a longer version of it for your show, and that kept that bit alive and made it bigger and longer, and then eventually I was able to do it when I had originally written it, it was like four lines. 00:59:51.119 --> 01:00:06.000 I did the full length of It's Raining Fish on TV with Stephen Colbert and Paul Schaefer, and dancers dressed like mermaids, and full choreography, and that would never have happened if I hadn't done it on your show. 01:00:06.320 --> 01:00:09.599 So I'm my personal, my personal, very real gratitude to you. 01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:10.079 Thank you for that. 01:00:10.320 --> 01:00:11.039 Oh, that means a lot. 01:00:11.119 --> 01:00:11.679 Thank you so much. 01:00:11.840 --> 01:00:17.440 I love doing that show because I feel like so much of being a late night writer is having your stuff rejected. 01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:20.559 Like, truly, like 98% of your the stuff you write gets thrown in the trash. 01:00:20.960 --> 01:00:21.679 No bad, but yeah. 01:00:21.920 --> 01:00:23.199 And that's like if you're good at it. 01:00:23.280 -->

01:00:25.679 Like that's not even like, oh, you're bad and you get fired. 01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:29.119 That's just the nature of it is it's like a machine and you just keep churning out material. 01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:30.880 And some of it ends up on TV. 01:00:31.039 --> 01:00:34.400 And so much of it that gets cut is great. 01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:40.960 Like we'll be at a table read and we'll laugh our asses off, and there'll be like 15 sketches, and then one of them will make it to TV. 01:00:41.119 --> 01:00:42.400 There just isn't the time. 01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:54.639 And so I think but it bums me up because so many people I know who work in late night are so gifted, they're so funny, and um it is it's a delight for me to host that show because the things that people bring are so fun and funny. 01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:56.239 And some of them are like so quirky. 01:00:56.400 --> 01:01:03.039 You can see, like, okay, I see why this didn't end up on network TV for all of America, but it so speaks to this person's like personality. 01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:05.519 You can tell it comes from this person's heart and brain. 01:01:05.760 --> 01:01:06.559 It's a delight. 01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:08.400 And it also feels good personally. 01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:14.800 I don't know about you guys, but like when you perform something that got rejected at work, but then you hear it get laughs, it feels like it like closes an emotional wound. 01:01:14.960 --> 01:01:17.280 And you're like, great, now I never have to think about it again. 01:01:17.360 --> 01:01:18.880 It got laughs one time. 01:01:19.039 --> 01:01:20.880 I know I'm not crazy that I wrote it. 01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:25.440 It's fine that it didn't get chosen for work, but I also know it I'm not a I'm fine. 01:01:25.519 --> 01:01:26.719 Like, I'm not terrible at my job. 01:01:26.960 --> 01:01:35.039 And it can it can go it can break the other way too, because we did a bit on your show that we thought had been very funny, and then we did it on your show and it was like fine. 01:01:35.119 --> 01:01:38.159 Like the audience, like, they didn't hate it, but they didn't, they were they weren't losing their minds. 01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:42.079 And we're going off stage, Michael's like, so yeah, that actually wasn't as funny. 01:01:42.400 --> 01:01:43.679 I don't remember that happening. 01:01:43.920 --> 01:01:45.199 We wrote a bit for Bean juice? 01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:45.760 Bean juice. 01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:46.800 I loved bean juice. 01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:50.559 There's no one it wasn't bad, it just wasn't like we think we were casting. 01:01:50.880 --> 01:01:54.159 While we were writing it, we were like, it's one of those things, and I know you've had this experience. 01:01:54.320 --> 01:01:56.400 We were laughing so hard writing it. 01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:58.639 Just like nothing has ever been this funny. 01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:04.000 And I was sort of positive when we did it at your show that that

exact feeling would be vindicated. 01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:06.480 And in fact, the audience was nice and they laughed. 01:02:06.559 --> 01:02:06.960 Yeah, sure. 01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:18.079 But I was but the times when I was like, no, no, no, no, this sentence is can only appropriately appropriately be met with explosive, almost painful euphoria. 01:02:18.239 --> 01:02:21.840 And the crowd was just like, oh, that's oh, I see what's kind of funny about that. 01:02:22.079 --> 01:02:24.880 They were right, they're always right, but I was like, damn. 01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:35.440 I do love that about comedy writing though, because I think everybody knows has those experiences, and I think like no matter how far, like at this point, collectively, the three of us have been writing comedy for 300 years. 01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:43.599 And yeah, that check, yes, and we are really fortunate to have jobs and have had jobs in a field that is so small. 01:02:43.840 --> 01:03:01.360 So it's like, I'm not saying this to like be arrogant, but like we are good at what we do, both by like, you know, just like just by the the luck of got getting to do it so many times over and over and horn our skills, we're good at what we do, and to be this far into our careers and this accomplished and to still be surprised is so lovely, right? 01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:13.920 Like to be able to write something, you're like, I'm gonna I guarantee this is a hit and it's not, but also I've had the experience of writing stuff where I'm like, oh geez, I have a deadline, this is not very good, but it's all I could think of, and then I turn it in and it gets chosen and does well on the show. 01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:18.000 Like, that's also it's so lovely to be able to still be surprised at this point. 01:03:18.239 --> 01:03:18.639 I love it. 01:03:18.719 --> 01:03:32.159 I mean, I remember having that realization when I found out that stand-ups tested like like nationally touring stand-ups would pop into a tiny room to test things out, and just thinking, wait, what do you mean test things out? 01:03:32.239 --> 01:03:36.079 They this this these are like the best, no one is better in the world at doing this thing. 01:03:36.159 --> 01:03:36.960 What are they testing? 01:03:37.039 --> 01:03:38.000 How do they not know? 01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:41.119 And that's um I think it's really yeah, I love knowing that. 01:03:41.360 --> 01:03:42.880 So a like to circle all the way back. 01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:43.440 Here we go. 01:03:43.760 --> 01:04:09.760 A part of the reason I put have put a limit on Instagram is because I watch comics, like my Instagram feed has a lot of comedians, and I think like even though I know this as a person who writes and performs comedy, when you watch stand-ups on Instagram, all you see are clips of their very best jokes on the night that they were received the best with the biggest response, and it really is start was starting to alter my idea of how common and how acceptable it is to fail. 01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:12.960 Oh, yeah or just to or just to tell a joke that it goes okay. 01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:27.920 Or the it was altering also like my perception of the writing process that like like because what you don't see is any of these stand-up jokes that didn't work, or an earlier iteration of that same joke that didn't go quite as well because it was wordier or phrased differently. 01:04:28.079 --> 01:04:38.559 And I think it was like I was only seeing the absolute best moments of success, and it was really starting to make me feel like oh, like because and then if you follow a per certain comedian, you just see all of their best moments. 01:04:39.280 --> 01:04:47.039 And this is social media in general, just you're seeing you're seeing this the You're seeing the best moments of someone's marriage, the best moments of someone's like whatever. 01:04:47.840 --> 01:04:50.559 This is actually why I don't follow anyone on Instagram. 01:04:50.880 --> 01:04:55.199 Michael, you don't try to defend this decision because you know the outcome is madness. 01:04:55.440 --> 01:05:01.199 I follow my wife, my son, my sister, my brother. 01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:03.599 Maybe like a podcast I don't even do anymore. 01:05:03.920 --> 01:05:05.440 So then what is in your feed? 01:05:06.079 --> 01:05:07.039 This is why it doesn't make sense. 01:05:07.199 --> 01:05:10.159 He's gonna say this like it's some honorable thing, like, oh, look at me. 01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:13.440 Whatever they've recently posted, which is most of the time nothing. 01:05:13.679 --> 01:05:25.440 And then I just click over what what I normally see is if you like my post, so like I'll I'll like go into my post and see who's liked it or commented on it, and then that's how I'll like look at their stuff. 01:05:25.599 --> 01:05:29.119 But then once I look at, so let's say you like or comment on my hang on a second. 01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:30.320 No, I'm this is fascinating. 01:05:30.559 --> 01:05:32.400 You like or comment my post. 01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:33.360 Yeah? 01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:33.920 Okay. 01:05:34.159 --> 01:05:34.400 Okay. 01:05:34.559 --> 01:05:35.840 So then I click on you. 01:05:35.920 --> 01:05:38.000 I'm like, oh, I have a like what's Jenny up to? 01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:38.960 I click on you. 01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:40.960 Now I am on your thing. 01:05:41.199 --> 01:05:42.159 And you're immersed in my. 01:05:42.400 --> 01:05:47.599 But I click a reel, and the reel ex uh, you know, now it like takes up my whole thing. 01:05:47.920 --> 01:05:51.599 And eventually I can swipe through all of your stuff if I want to. 01:05:52.320 --> 01:05:54.320 That's most of what happens. 01:05:54.719 --> 01:05:57.840 Or I go to for you, and whatever's there, I just click it. 01:05:58.000 --> 01:05:58.400 That's fascinating. 01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:00.880 Including. 01:06:01.199 --> 01:06:01.920 Including what? 01:06:02.079 --> 01:06:03.599 The AI old lady.

01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:04.400 Oh yeah. 01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:04.800 Oh yeah. 01:06:05.519 --> 01:06:10.239 Michael says this like he's like protecting his time in life in this beautiful way. 01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:12.239 And then he just ends up wasting time on bullshit. 01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:12.960 I spent a lot of time. 01:06:14.079 --> 01:06:24.159 Because uh a woman named Margareth, Margareth, followed me and uh commented and liked from my things, and I was like, do I know someone named Margareth? 01:06:24.320 --> 01:06:29.360 And then I went to her page and it was like uh AI, sexy old lady. 01:06:29.679 --> 01:06:30.719 It was a sexy old lady. 01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:31.920 Every part of that is great. 01:06:32.159 --> 01:06:35.119 I like that Margareth, just the name didn't tip you off. 01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:39.679 Like it's so, it's so like I love how it's just left of correct. 01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:47.039 Like if my name was like Jennifer, it's just it's like only a tiny bit wrong, but so wrong. 01:06:47.360 --> 01:06:48.079 It's fantastic. 01:06:48.320 --> 01:06:49.840 What an interesting way to consume media, though. 01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:53.039 It's still, to Asher's point, you're still consuming it. 01:06:53.119 --> 01:06:54.880 You're just choosing to enter additional. 01:06:55.199 --> 01:07:02.480 What I will say is I'm less inundated with the curated successes of my peers. 01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:03.039 Great. 01:07:03.199 --> 01:07:13.039 And I'm more inundated with a basketball coach who's gone to China and is now screaming at kids in English who only speak Mandarin. 01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:13.679 I hate that. 01:07:13.920 --> 01:07:15.519 No, no, and then but no, it's like this. 01:07:15.599 --> 01:07:16.079 He's doing this. 01:07:16.159 --> 01:07:17.679 He's going, you have to have confidence. 01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:18.159 Oh, okay. 01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:19.119 I'm with you. 01:07:19.280 --> 01:07:21.039 Wherever you go, I'm with you. 01:07:21.519 --> 01:07:21.840 It's like that. 01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:30.719 And then you the Chinese girl is crying, and you I assume it's because she's like, no one's ever, no one's ever like believed in me this much. 01:07:31.039 --> 01:07:32.000 Or she's scared. 01:07:32.320 --> 01:07:34.480 Or she's scared she's mentioned yelling and she doesn't know what to go down. 01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:38.719 That's so that's I almost this is I'm not saying this to make fun of you. 01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:43.599 The image I had when you were like, oh, I don't follow anyone, but I just see what it what is around. 01:07:43.840 --> 01:07:50.239 I imagine you like being in a restaurant and you're like, well, I don't order anything, but I just take bites off of other people's tables and see what they've ordered. 01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:55.679 But I do eat a little bit of Margareth's whatever Margareth's cooking I'm eating at. 01:07:55.920 --> 01:07:57.519 Margareth is so good. 01:07:57.840 --> 01:07:58.800 Margareth and Jennifer. 01:08:01.119 --> 01:08:01.440 Jennifer. 01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:08.559 Do you think the people, the not the people, the bots that do the comments, you know, that like will comment like, oh um my friend. 01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:09.280 Oh yeah. 01:08:09.440 --> 01:08:09.840 You know what I mean? 01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:10.079 My friend. 01:08:10.320 --> 01:08:12.079 She's too shy, but my friend's too shy. 01:08:12.320 --> 01:08:13.840 Do you think people are people are responding to that? 01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:14.880 Do you think they're catching people with that? 01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:17.600 I don't know what this kind of what bot comment is this. 01:08:17.840 --> 01:08:24.159 Oh, I get a comment, and I also get the DMs that are, hey, my friend is too shy to message you. 01:08:24.319 --> 01:08:26.640 I mean, the the English and the grammar is all fucked up. 01:08:26.720 --> 01:08:37.600 So it's immediately, but also the content is my friend is too shy to reach out to you herself, but here's her Instagram, follow her and DM her like she's waiting for you to message her or whatever. 01:08:37.760 --> 01:08:41.119 And that happens in my DMs, and it now also sometimes happens on posts. 01:08:41.279 --> 01:08:41.760 Oh wow. 01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:43.600 But this is also how I met my wife, though. 01:08:43.760 --> 01:08:43.920 Okay. 01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:44.159 Yeah. 01:08:44.319 --> 01:08:44.880 So I don't think we've got to be. 01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:45.600 We haven't met her first. 01:08:45.840 --> 01:08:47.199 But your wife is a bot. 01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:48.159 I don't think so. 01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:49.840 I send her money every month. 01:08:50.079 --> 01:08:51.359 She's Margaret. 01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:52.479 Do you know her? 01:08:53.600 --> 01:08:54.239 Stephanie? 01:08:54.640 --> 01:08:55.520 She's a little older. 01:08:55.680 --> 01:08:56.399 She's older. 01:08:56.720 --> 01:08:57.520 She's old, she's a lot. 01:08:57.680 --> 01:08:58.319 We have a lot in common. 01:08:58.399 --> 01:08:59.119 She's older. 01:09:01.359 --> 01:09:02.000 Colleen? 01:09:02.399 --> 01:09:03.359 Your wife Colleen? 01:09:03.680 --> 01:09:04.159 That's my ex. 01:09:04.479 --> 01:09:05.680 Don't bring up my ex. 01:09:05.920 --> 01:09:07.600 Definitely don't mention it to Margaret. 01:09:09.119 --> 01:09:09.760 Jenny. 01:09:09.920 --> 01:09:10.159 Yes. 01:09:10.399 --> 01:09:21.039 You know what's funny is I I keep jokingly asking you about your day, but the reason I was doing that was because we were we were we we talked about this the other day, how we want to start talking, like asking questions about. 01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:22.720 Michael, you say what you were thinking. 01:09:22.960 --> 01:09:24.079 I don't know what you're talking about. 01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:26.399 You told me we were talking the other day. 01:09:26.560 --> 01:09:26.720 Okay. 01:09:27.039 --> 01:09:32.960 That you think it'd be fun if we had to start asking our guests

questions about what they do more. 01:09:33.359 --> 01:09:34.000 Yeah. 01:09:35.279 --> 01:09:39.680 But there was a specific question that you were like, we should start asking every guest this question. 01:09:39.920 --> 01:09:40.319 Oh, yeah. 01:09:40.640 --> 01:09:42.239 But I and I was and I was trying to remember what it was. 01:09:43.760 --> 01:09:44.960 Right, but I was trying to remember what it was. 01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:45.600 And it is, yeah. 01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:46.720 Well, I know what it was. 01:09:47.359 --> 01:09:48.399 Do you like butt stuff? 01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:48.880 Oh, right. 01:09:50.000 --> 01:09:50.560 Oh, good. 01:09:50.640 --> 01:09:50.960 Thank you. 01:09:51.199 --> 01:09:55.119 And I know this might overlap with your full throated endorsement, but do you like butt stuff? 01:09:57.039 --> 01:09:57.520 Great. 01:09:57.680 --> 01:10:01.359 What's funny about that is somehow I think in that direction, we seem like the bad guys. 01:10:01.680 --> 01:10:02.319 You did it. 01:10:02.960 --> 01:10:04.800 100% you did that. 01:10:05.840 --> 01:10:10.479 Uh though this is the question I think is I took so long to get to that, but you know what I'm saying. 01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:11.279 Here's the question. 01:10:11.439 --> 01:10:12.239 What is it? 01:10:12.720 --> 01:10:15.920 What do you think is the point of what you do? 01:10:16.479 --> 01:10:16.800 Oh. 01:10:18.079 --> 01:10:26.399 Um, I think that on an average day, the point of what I do is to make people laugh and bring people some joy. 01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:37.760 And on the very best days, it is to do that and also share a point of view on the world that maybe they haven't already considered. 01:10:38.720 --> 01:10:41.600 And um that's like the those are the very best days. 01:10:42.079 --> 01:10:50.560 Or to um make someone laugh and then also make them feel like, oh, someone else had a feeling that I was feeling, like make them feel less alone. 01:10:51.039 --> 01:10:53.600 And are you always shooting for that? 01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:54.800 Do you know what I mean? 01:10:55.199 --> 01:11:03.359 I think I'm trying to write what like if I'm trying to respond to a piece of news, I'm I'm I don't think I'm shooting for an end goal. 01:11:03.439 --> 01:11:10.079 I'm trying to write whatever it is that that news story brings up in me. 01:11:10.319 --> 01:11:10.560 Right? 01:11:10.640 --> 01:11:16.800 Like I I think it would I think you get a I'd get a lot of false results if I was like, well, today I'm gonna write some important comedy that makes people think. 01:11:17.119 --> 01:11:17.359 Right. 01:11:17.600 --> 01:11:23.359 But I think like if I'm writing about a news story, I'm trying to really tap into honestly, what does that news story bring up in me? 01:11:23.680 --> 01:11:25.520 Because it probably brings up that in somebody else. 01:11:25.760 --> 01:11:42.560 Like if I'm really writing honestly from a place of like, what does this news story make me feel, or this world event, or this pop culture event or whatever, if I'm writing honestly from the place that that it brought me to, then then there's probably at least one other person who saw that headline or experienced this cultural event and had the same feeling. 01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:43.039 Yeah. 01:11:43.279 --> 01:11:52.720 And then like, great, it's like because like I've written certainly written jokes that are like it's like a double entendre, or it plays on like a weird like point of grammar, and like that's just for fun. 01:11:52.960 --> 01:11:53.039 Sure. 01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:55.760 And then I've written some things that have like really been meaningful to me. 01:11:55.920 --> 01:12:04.239 Where I'm like, hey, this is a thing that is important to me, and this is a thing that's like bouncing around my heart and brain, and I kind of want to like get it out in the world, but with jokes. 01:12:04.479 --> 01:12:06.319 And so like those things feel really good. 01:12:06.399 --> 01:12:08.560 But also it feels good to just like tell a silly joke sometimes. 01:12:08.880 --> 01:12:10.720 Sometimes the pee-pee man goes fart on the poo-poo. 01:12:11.039 --> 01:12:17.279 John Lutz wrote one of my favorite jokes of all time, like all of the um Sorry, Jenny, I'm not sure if you heard what Michael said. 01:12:17.600 --> 01:12:23.680 He said something sometimes the pee-pee man goes, I believe I said sometimes the pee-pee man goes fart on the poo-poo. 01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:25.039 Oh, I just wasn't sure if you missed the poo. 01:12:25.279 --> 01:12:25.520 I'm sorry. 01:12:26.479 --> 01:12:27.039 I misheard it. 01:12:27.119 --> 01:12:27.279 It is. 01:12:27.439 --> 01:12:27.520 Yeah. 01:12:27.600 --> 01:12:27.680 Yeah. 01:12:28.159 --> 01:12:30.000 Well, that's what's been bouncing around your heart and brain. 01:12:30.319 --> 01:12:30.640 Yeah. 01:12:31.199 --> 01:12:32.399 I want to hear the Lutz story. 01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:34.880 It's just really important to me that you heard what Michael said. 01:12:35.039 --> 01:12:35.680 Yeah. 01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:36.560 Go ahead. 01:12:36.800 --> 01:12:37.119 Okay. 01:12:37.359 --> 01:12:49.760 Uh no, but he wrote a joke one time that he sent he pitched um for Jokeseth Can't Tell, and it was um uh it was something, the um something had happened related to lesbians in England. 01:12:49.840 --> 01:12:53.439 And I don't remember what the setup was, but it was something, something, some lesbian thing happened in England. 01:12:53.600 --> 01:12:58.479 And then he wrote the punchline was lesbians, or as they're called in England, crisps. 01:12:59.439 --> 01:13:01.920 I'm like, that made me laugh so hard. 01:13:02.079 --> 01:13:06.880 And that's not like it just that's just for fun, and that's just delightful. 01:13:07.039 --> 01:13:11.279 And I think that jokes can have serve both more than one right, but they can serve more than one purpose. 01:13:11.520 --> 01:13:12.960 This is actually this is an interesting thing.

01:13:13.039 --> 01:13:14.000 I didn't know. 01:13:14.399 --> 01:13:18.319 Other people pitch jokes for the jokes Seth can't tell segment. 01:13:18.479 --> 01:13:22.239 Yes, Amber and I write most of them, but also like other writers can can can send us jokes. 01:13:22.640 --> 01:13:26.079 Wow, is that a minefield for them to pitch to you? 01:13:26.239 --> 01:13:30.640 Like, I would feel nervous if it's a joke Seth can't tell, I would almost feel like it's a joke about it. 01:13:34.239 --> 01:13:35.920 What did you say the PP man does? 01:13:36.880 --> 01:13:47.039 Uh yeah, I don't think you know what is we've been doing it for so long that I think, and and also I understand what I'm asking my male straight coworkers to do. 01:13:47.279 --> 01:13:50.640 So I'm like never mad if I get one where I'm like, oh, I can't say that. 01:13:50.720 --> 01:13:52.880 But like I can't say that. 01:13:53.039 --> 01:13:53.600 Yeah, yeah. 01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:57.520 But but I feel like I don't find it to be a minefield because I understand what I have asked about. 01:13:58.159 --> 01:13:59.119 And they don't either. 01:13:59.439 --> 01:14:00.239 I don't, I don't know. 01:14:00.319 --> 01:14:01.520 You'd have to ask them how they feel about it. 01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:02.479 Let's get in here. 01:14:02.640 --> 01:14:02.960 Yeah. 01:14:03.119 --> 01:14:05.840 But I think that um Do you know what the PP man does, Lots? 01:14:07.680 --> 01:14:09.359 But I also think we're all professionals too. 01:14:09.439 --> 01:14:17.359 And it's like, I'm not asking, I would not go into a random bar on the lower east side and ask some random man, hey, can you suggest 10 lesbian jokes to me? 01:14:17.520 --> 01:14:18.000 I would never. 01:14:18.079 --> 01:14:20.239 I wouldn't ask an uncle at Thanksgiving. 01:14:20.319 --> 01:14:22.399 Like, I'm asking some professionals. 01:14:22.560 --> 01:14:22.720 Yeah. 01:14:22.880 --> 01:14:23.520 You know what I mean? 01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:30.880 Who ha who I know have a certain uh level of profession, you know, like professionalism and they have a certain skill level, so that's I think that's different. 01:14:31.279 --> 01:14:31.680 Cool. 01:14:32.079 --> 01:14:33.039 Pretty cool. 01:14:33.279 --> 01:14:36.880 Well, Jenny, we end every episode the exact same way. 01:14:36.960 --> 01:14:38.319 Are you do you know how we end it? 01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:39.680 With a a segment? 01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:40.319 A segment. 01:14:40.640 --> 01:14:40.880 That's right. 01:14:41.039 --> 01:14:41.680 I love a segment. 01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:43.920 It's a segment we call full-throated endorsements. 01:14:44.159 --> 01:14:44.399 Okay. 01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:46.319 Do you have a full-throated endorsement? 01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:46.800 I do. 01:14:46.880 --> 01:14:48.399 I just read a fantastic book. 01:14:48.640 --> 01:14:49.439 Oh, tell us about it. 01:14:49.680 --> 01:14:50.079 Is that okay? 01:14:50.239 --> 01:14:51.039 Is that too boring? 01:14:51.600

--> 01:14:53.279 Uh it is called How to Hide an Empire. 01:14:53.520 --> 01:14:54.319 Hong Shoo. 01:14:54.399 --> 01:14:55.199 Do you have a different one? 01:14:57.840 --> 01:14:59.359 How to hide an empire. 01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:00.479 How to hide an empire. 01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:10.000 It is, I feel like I've been uh kind of like on a little bender the last like five years or so, thinking, like trying to fill in the gaps in my knowledge of history. 01:15:10.079 --> 01:15:15.199 Because I think like we're obviously we teach uh probably every country, but in America we teach history in a very certain way. 01:15:15.359 --> 01:15:19.439 We tell certain stories, and we tell stories we teach about certain people. 01:15:20.239 --> 01:15:25.760 And I feel like I've been like trying to be like, okay, what did I not learn in in in school? 01:15:26.079 --> 01:15:29.279 Like, what have I not learned as just an American going through the public school system? 01:15:29.680 --> 01:15:37.279 And so I've been trying to read books about different pockets of history or groups of people that I like don't they they don't make the headlines in like tenth grade history. 01:15:37.680 --> 01:15:46.399 And so this particular book was really fantastic, and it's kind of about how in America we tell a story about how we are a democracy and we like to see ourselves a certain way. 01:15:47.600 --> 01:15:53.119 And that we are in fact an empire just the same way that like you know, the United Kingdom is. 01:15:54.239 --> 01:16:01.840 We operate in much the same way, but we don't talk about it in the same way because that doesn't that doesn't go along with our national identity, right? 01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:06.720 And our relationship with like the constitution and democracy and giving people a voice and blah blah blah. 01:16:06.880 --> 01:16:09.760 Whereas like, you know, over in England they're like, we have Empire Day. 01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:11.359 Um is that true? 01:16:11.600 --> 01:16:21.439 I think they have something, I don't know if it's called that, but it's something like that, where they're like, everybody dress up as a person from one of our empires, which or one of our subjects, which is wildly problematic on many levels. 01:16:21.760 --> 01:16:26.319 But um, but again, I think that's true, but refuse to Google it. 01:16:26.399 --> 01:16:29.760 And um for the purposes of this, we're saying that it's true. 01:16:30.000 --> 01:16:30.239 Right. 01:16:30.560 --> 01:16:36.319 But it is in this house, we believe science and we believe that Empire Day is a real thing in England. 01:16:36.560 --> 01:16:46.479 Uh but um but the point is that it just was a really I think I'm a big fan of any book that helps me just kind of widen my understanding of the country that we live in, um, the society that we live in. 01:16:46.640 --> 01:16:56.159 And this specifically is about the US and its territories and our relationship with our territories, both like our actual relationship and then also the story that we tell ourselves about that. 01:16:56.319 --> 01:17:02.079 And I think it was like just really and it happened to be that this summer I went to both Puerto Rico and Hawaii while I was in the middle of reading that book. 01:17:02.159 --> 01:17:06.960 And so it was like really I think I really appreciated the perspective it gave me and the understanding. 01:17:07.039 --> 01:17:10.239 I mean, it talked about things even as simple as like how we draw our map. 01:17:10.640 --> 01:17:14.319 Like when we see a map of the United States, it it has three things, right? 01:17:14.399 --> 01:17:17.119 It has mainland US and it has Hawaii and Alaska. 01:17:17.760 --> 01:17:26.880 And we in fact have a lot of territories, but we don't put those on the map because we don't tend to think of those we don't talk about Guam and American Samoa when we talk about, you know, things like that. 01:17:27.119 --> 01:17:34.000 Um, and so I think Puerto Ricans are American when it's useful to our national story, and they were not when it's not. 01:17:34.319 --> 01:17:44.159 And so I think it was just I just really appreciated how much perspective it gave me on it, just like helped broaden my understanding of like the country that we live in and the choices that we make, why we make them, the stories we tell ourselves. 01:17:44.560 --> 01:17:45.920 That subject is really fascinating to me. 01:17:46.079 --> 01:17:49.600 The map thing, there was recently the UN voted on a new map. 01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:50.079 That's right. 01:17:50.239 --> 01:17:53.520 And the only country that dissented from the new map was the United States, I'm pretty sure. 01:17:53.920 --> 01:17:57.119 That they were like, we just want to show, want you to see how big Africa really is. 01:17:57.279 --> 01:18:00.640 For example, it's like, oh, it's actually it's actually a lot bigger than I thought it was. 01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:06.960 Is that because of this the whatever effect, the thing that's yeah, I think because of like, you know, uh taking a sphere and flattening it out. 01:18:09.119 --> 01:18:10.479 But I don't think it's an arbitrary choice, right? 01:18:10.640 --> 01:18:17.359 Like, I'm sure some of it is that, but I don't think it's an arbitrary choice that the US we make the US look bigger, we make countries that are predominantly white look bigger, right? 01:18:17.439 --> 01:18:19.760 Like that, I think that is a choice we are making. 01:18:20.079 --> 01:18:29.359 And an example of that sort of phenomenon in play for me was I went to Berlin, and for me, like Mr. 01:18:29.439 --> 01:18:39.199 Gorbachev tear down this wall is like, oh well, that's when that's what led to the Berlin Wall coming down, and you go to the museum at the wall, it doesn't even come up. 01:18:39.279 --> 01:18:39.439 Yeah. 01:18:39.600 --> 01:18:45.039 Like that, not only is it not like this is not the reason, in Berlin, they're like, What the fuck are you talking about?

01:18:45.199 --> 01:18:45.520 Yeah. 01:18:45.840 --> 01:18:51.199 Which is wild because my whole life I was like, that's the most significant speech that Reagan ever gave. 01:18:51.359 --> 01:18:53.600 It changed the history of the world. 01:18:53.920 --> 01:18:55.760 And over there, they're like, This, this has nothing. 01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:56.800 We don't care about that. 01:18:57.039 --> 01:19:03.600 Truly, one of the most wild experiences is hearing, rehearing a piece of history that you have learned here in another country. 01:19:03.840 --> 01:19:04.079 Yeah. 01:19:04.239 --> 01:19:10.560 And and it could be even about them, not about you, but like it is, I think, such an eye-opening experience. 01:19:10.720 --> 01:19:21.520 Like, um uh I went to Ireland a few years ago, and like just hearing any word about the famine from an Irish perspective is so different than the story that we are told here, right? 01:19:21.600 --> 01:19:27.199 And like I don't have a like that's I'm not Irish, I don't even I don't have like a dog in that fight, but just like that was like, oh. 01:19:27.439 --> 01:19:38.640 Or like I went to Estonia once, and hearing how Estonia talks about Russia versus like growing up in the Cold War and how like I learned about the USSR and all the parts of the USSR just different. 01:19:38.800 --> 01:19:47.119 Like the wording is different, the story that you hear, the version of the story you hear is different, and it's just like I think it's I know I'm very late to discover this in my life. 01:19:47.359 --> 01:19:49.520 I think I didn't study history in college. 01:19:49.680 --> 01:19:58.319 Um, and so I think like I was just so late to understanding how um subjective the stories that like the history that we learn is. 01:19:58.399 --> 01:19:59.840 And so I think like it was yeah, anyway. 01:19:59.920 --> 01:20:01.119 So this I love this book. 01:20:01.279 --> 01:20:01.680 I loved this. 01:20:01.920 --> 01:20:02.640 How to hide an empire. 01:20:02.800 --> 01:20:03.520 How to hide an empire. 01:20:03.600 --> 01:20:04.880 I loved it, I learned so much from it. 01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:08.720 I was learning so much that I kept reading it and going, ooh, no. 01:20:09.199 --> 01:20:12.960 But until finally, God bless her, my girlfriend was like one night, we like got into bed. 01:20:13.039 --> 01:20:15.359 She goes, Do you want to tell me one fact from your book? 01:20:15.920 --> 01:20:17.520 That's uh that's so loving. 01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:18.319 That's some love. 01:20:19.039 --> 01:20:23.039 That's really because you know I had like eight that I was like, Don't say it, don't say it, it's too nerdy, it's too boring. 01:20:23.119 --> 01:20:25.119 And she's like, Do you want to tell me one fact from your book? 01:20:25.279 --> 01:20:26.640 And I was like, I do, thank you. 01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:30.800 And I'm sure, like, probably in her head, she went to a special place where she didn't have to listen. 01:20:31.039 --> 01:20:32.640 But like, what a generous act. 01:20:32.960 --> 01:20:33.359 Wow, yeah. 01:20:33.439 --> 01:20:39.359 I'm able to project myself onto an astral plane so you can tell whatever story you want to the husk of my body. 01:20:39.920 --> 01:20:45.760 So that you can spend 20 minutes talking about something you just learned about the Philippines, and I can just watch your mouth move and go, mm-hmm. 01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:46.399 Mm-hmm. 01:20:46.640 --> 01:20:47.600 Good for you, bud. 01:20:48.560 --> 01:20:49.199 That's amazing. 01:20:49.359 --> 01:20:50.319 Um Jenny, we did it. 01:20:50.560 --> 01:20:51.199 Okay, we did it. 01:20:51.279 --> 01:20:52.560 We have so thank you for being here. 01:20:52.880 --> 01:20:53.520 Thank you for having me. 01:20:53.600 --> 01:20:54.079 This is a delight. 01:20:54.159 --> 01:20:57.199 It's always a delight to spend time with the two of you, whether or not it's in front of microphones. 01:20:57.439 --> 01:20:57.680 Likewise. 01:20:57.840 --> 01:20:58.720 And I mean that sincerely. 01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:03.359 That was but also with Michael and Asher and our incredible guest, Jenny Hagel. 01:21:03.600 --> 01:21:08.560 Please subscribe, rate, review, share, whatever any other options are. 01:21:08.720 --> 01:21:10.960 Comment, comment, comment. 01:21:11.199 --> 01:21:12.319 Would you comment? 01:21:12.560 --> 01:21:13.039 Bye. 01:21:13.359 --> 01:21:14.800 Do it for the pee pee, man.