Transkrip penuh untuk World Cup Series Ep. 2 - Origin Story

00:05:21.360 --> 00:05:23.639 supposed to work. It's just, it's annoying because 00:05:23.639 --> 00:05:27.120 they could have, I wouldn't have minded too much. 00:05:27.480 --> 00:05:30.480 In the circumstances if they'd said, okay, Iran, 00:05:30.579 --> 00:05:32.920 you play in Mexico or you play in Canada. They've 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:34.740 got that option in this World Cup. Easy solution. 00:05:35.259 --> 00:05:38.879 Easy solution. Like, it stops Trump trumping 00:05:38.879 --> 00:05:41.060 all over everything. They didn't do it. Here 00:05:41.060 --> 00:05:44.019 we are. Here we are. Whatever. Yeah. And that 00:05:44.019 --> 00:05:47.139 Somali referee as well. Oh, yeah. Okay. I mean, 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:49.180 that is cool. That is the actual, that's another 00:05:49.180 --> 00:05:50.879 thing, one of the peculiarities of the World 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:53.480 Cup is you do get officials from some very unusual 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:56.300 places. You do. He didn't get into the country, 00:05:56.379 --> 00:05:59.470 though. His visa's been cancelled. Of course 00:05:59.470 --> 00:06:01.430 it has. I'm sure that'll be redeemed by the time 00:06:01.430 --> 00:06:03.209 he has to referee, but that's just... Something 00:06:03.209 --> 00:06:05.670 to do with the fact that politics and sport... 00:06:05.819 --> 00:06:08.899 Do in fact mix. And we'll come to that. Our next 00:06:08.899 --> 00:06:12.660 episode is going to really. If this is offending 00:06:12.660 --> 00:06:15.800 people. If they're bored by this conversation. 00:06:16.100 --> 00:06:18.180 Then there's plenty more where this came from. 00:06:18.240 --> 00:06:21.779 I'm afraid. And that's the next episode. We're 00:06:21.779 --> 00:06:23.399 going to be talking specifically about FIFA. 00:06:23.560 --> 00:06:25.399 And how corrupt they are. But this one we're 00:06:25.399 --> 00:06:26.779 just going to talk about the World Cup. We're 00:06:26.779 --> 00:06:29.500 going to wax lyrical a little bit. You're going 00:06:29.500 --> 00:06:31.360 to tell us some stories about where it came from. 00:06:31.540 --> 00:06:33.160 What are the good things about it? The good things 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:37.120 about it is Mexico loves football. Er is niets 00:06:37.120 --> 00:06:39.180 verantwoordelijk met dat Mexico in grote voetballerijen 00:06:39.180 --> 00:06:41.240 host. Ze hebben het eerder gedaan en ze hebben 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:42.860 het heel goed gedaan. Ze zullen het heel goed 00:06:42.860 --> 00:06:44.699 doen weer. Het is de derde keer dat ze het eerste 00:06:44.699 --> 00:06:47.180 land hosten om drie wereldcups te hosten. Al 00:06:47.180 --> 00:06:49.139 is het natuurlijk een co -host deze keer. En 00:06:49.139 --> 00:06:51.019 het is geweldig. Ze stappten in toen Colombia 00:06:51.019 --> 00:06:54.240 het niet moest hosten in 1986, denk ik. Of was 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:57.579 het 1970? Eerder een van de twee was omdat Colombia 00:06:57.579 --> 00:06:59.819 het niet

moest hosten. Ik denk 1986. En ze stappten 00:06:59.819 --> 00:07:01.740 in en deden een sterke job daar. Het is behoorlijk 00:07:01.740 --> 00:07:04.120 hot in Mexico deze keer per jaar. Maar het is 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:05.980 top voor iedereen. Let's not be bothered about 00:07:05.980 --> 00:07:08.279 that. They love football. Got no problem with 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:10.860 that whatsoever. It is easy to forget in this 00:07:10.860 --> 00:07:13.000 tournament that Mexico and Canada are hosts as 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:15.079 well. Obviously the majority of the games in 00:07:15.079 --> 00:07:17.839 the USA and the finals in the USA, but it's not 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:21.540 just them. Canada is a big sporting nation in 00:07:21.540 --> 00:07:23.879 its own right. Oh, it's great. It's also got 00:07:23.879 --> 00:07:27.620 a growing football popularity. Is that the right 00:07:27.620 --> 00:07:29.300 word? Yeah, they've got some good players as 00:07:29.300 --> 00:07:32.379 well coming through. Alphonso Davis. Yeah, Jonathan 00:07:32.379 --> 00:07:35.040 David. Is hij oké? Ja, hij is er. De man die 00:07:35.040 --> 00:07:36.620 in Lille speelde. Ik weet niet of hij er nog 00:07:36.620 --> 00:07:39.420 is. Hij speelt opvang, he? Ja, ze zijn goed. 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:42.800 Het is een beetje zoals de USA in 1994. Canada 00:07:42.800 --> 00:07:48.500 was op dat moment een sport die in de USA was. 00:07:48.500 --> 00:07:51.360 En de USA is nu een massieve sport. Het is legitimaal 00:07:51.360 --> 00:07:53.600 een massieve sport. Het is gewoon een schaamde 00:07:53.600 --> 00:07:55.860 dat de mensen in zaak zijn van de mensen in zaak. 00:07:55.939 --> 00:08:00.920 Maar ja, de goede ding over Amerika is dat Amerika 00:08:00.920 --> 00:08:32.730 een goede... Ja. North American and Caribbean 00:08:32.730 --> 00:08:35.070 equivalent of the European Championships, etc. 00:08:35.490 --> 00:08:38.250 They host that and have done so almost every 00:08:38.250 --> 00:08:40.429 tournament. No, I think every tournament since 00:08:40.429 --> 00:08:42.429 it started. They've been either hosts or co -hosts 00:08:42.429 --> 00:08:45.809 of that. And they hosted the centenary edition 00:08:45.809 --> 00:08:47.950 of the Copa America. Yeah, I remember that. About 00:08:47.950 --> 00:08:51.370 ten years ago. They hosted that as well. They're 00:08:51.370 --> 00:08:54.250 just a go -to. They've got so many stadia. Football 00:08:54.250 --> 00:08:56.330 -specific stadia as well. Plenty of them now 00:08:56.330 --> 00:08:58.590 because of the MLS and the success of that. It 00:08:58.590 --> 00:09:01.620 is... Een bijna perfecte land om de Wereldkup 00:09:01.620 --> 00:09:03.159 in te hosten, als het niet voor de dingen die 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:05.399 we al hebben genoemd. Ja, ja. Ik bedoel, het 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:08.059 is ook gewoon een grote fanbase. Het land is 00:09:08.059 --> 00:09:10.980 zo groot en de populatie zo groot dat het niet 00:09:10.980 --> 00:09:13.720 echt betreft of de majoriteit van hen voetbal 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:17.600 niet steunt. Het is nog steeds een hoge groep 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:19.820 van miljoenen. Het is nog steeds de meest populaire 00:09:19.820 --> 00:09:22.220 sport in het land voor één bepaalde demografie. 00:09:22.399 --> 00:09:25.200 En dat zijn mensen van Latine origine. Ze zijn 00:09:25.200 --> 00:09:28.399 zo geobsesseerd op voetbal als elke andere. Latin 00:09:28.399 --> 00:09:32.100 American country are. It just so happens there 00:09:32.100 --> 00:09:33.679 are slightly smaller percentages of the population. 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:35.360 There's like baseball and American football, 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:37.000 but it doesn't make that much of a difference. 00:09:37.299 --> 00:09:39.419 It's still massive. I agree with all of that. 00:09:39.539 --> 00:09:41.799 Other positives are that the kick -off times 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:44.799 are not inconvenient. Some are. I mean, some 00:09:44.799 --> 00:09:46.539 are right in the middle of the night, but at 00:09:46.539 --> 00:09:50.539 least it means that the big games for a European 00:09:50.539 --> 00:09:53.700 audience are relatively convenient. I'm sure 00:09:53.700 --> 00:09:55.179 they're still not for an Australian audience, 00:09:55.419 --> 00:09:58.860 but such is the nature of the beast. Ja, ik bedoel, 00:09:59.019 --> 00:10:01.240 je bent altijd, afhankelijk van waar een wereldkup 00:10:01.240 --> 00:10:04.360 is, iemand is altijd geïnconveniënt. En het moet 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:07.720 natuurlijk niet gepland worden voor de conveniëntie 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:09.539 van Europese audities. Maar ik zou zeggen dat 00:10:09.539 --> 00:10:12.879 een Noord -Amerikaanse wereldkup twee grote voordelen 00:10:12.879 --> 00:10:16.019 heeft. Dat zijn dat het twee grote markten in 00:10:16.019 --> 00:10:19.700 Europa en Zuid -Amerika kunnen kijken. En Afrika, 00:10:19.840 --> 00:10:23.759 want Afrika is op dezelfde langitudinale tijdzones 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:27.019 als Europa. Afrika, Europa en Zuid -Amerika zijn 00:10:27.019 --> 00:10:29.860 niet onafhankelijk door de kick -off tijd. Ik 00:10:29.860 --> 00:10:33.019 ben onzeker op veel Azië -landen enzo, maar je 00:10:33.019 --> 00:10:36.860 zou zeggen dat clubvoetbal, de traditionele succesvolle 00:10:36.860 --> 00:10:40.759 landen, het is een goede kick -off tijd voor 00:10:40.759 --> 00:10:43.799 die landen. Ja, ik zou zeggen dat de majoriteit 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:47.159 van de voetbalfans in de wereld, voor wie voetbal 00:10:47.159 --> 00:10:49.659 hun grootste sport is, waarschijnlijk oké is 00:10:49.659 --> 00:10:53.539 met dit. Brazilië, Europa. Argentina. Argentina. 00:10:54.019 --> 00:10:57.460 All the guays. All of America, pretty much. Yeah. 00:10:58.139 --> 00:11:01.220 Most of the major Central African countries in 00:11:01.220 --> 00:11:04.340 South Africa. Every single European country. 00:11:04.460 --> 00:11:07.379 Your Italy's, your

Spain's, your Germany's. Us. 00:11:07.940 --> 00:11:10.919 France. Portugal. Not perfect kick -off times, 00:11:11.059 --> 00:11:14.899 but doable. But doable. Better than like 4am's 00:11:14.899 --> 00:11:17.220 and things like that. Scotland having a game 00:11:17.220 --> 00:11:19.539 that kicks off at about 1am or 2am or something 00:11:19.539 --> 00:11:21.799 like that probably would disagree, but... Ja. 00:11:21.879 --> 00:11:23.820 Ja. Ik denk dat ze een beetje hard gedaan hebben 00:11:23.820 --> 00:11:25.879 met dat kick -off tijd. Ze hebben geen primetime 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:29.259 gehad, omdat het Haiti -Schotland is. Ja. Ja. 00:11:29.539 --> 00:11:31.639 En ik ben er zeker van dat ze erop blijven. Ja, 00:11:31.700 --> 00:11:33.740 natuurlijk. Ik denk dat ze een bankholiday hebben 00:11:33.740 --> 00:11:35.000 gehad de dag erna, hebben ze het niet? De Scots 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:37.480 voor het. Voor het specifiek? Ja, want het is 00:11:37.480 --> 00:11:40.279 een zondagavond om 2 uur. Zondag tot maandagmorgen. 00:11:40.360 --> 00:11:42.500 En ik denk dat de Schotische regering ze de maandag 00:11:42.500 --> 00:11:43.639 afgegeven heeft. Ik mag er niet verkeerd over 00:11:43.639 --> 00:11:45.659 zijn. Ik hoop dat dat waar is. Dat zou geweldig 00:11:45.659 --> 00:11:47.840 zijn. Ja, dat zou het zijn. Ik denk dat het is. 00:11:48.100 --> 00:11:50.779 Cool. But, as we always say, I've been wrong 00:11:50.779 --> 00:11:54.240 before. I'm sure even if it wasn't the bankholder, 00:11:54.379 --> 00:11:56.220 they'd quickly make it into one if they win. 00:11:56.259 --> 00:11:58.200 They're going to treat it as if it is one, especially 00:11:58.200 --> 00:11:59.980 if they win. Because if they win, they're probably 00:11:59.980 --> 00:12:02.879 through, given the absurdity of the format. Yeah, 00:12:02.940 --> 00:12:05.440 well, do we want to get into the format? Because 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:07.320 I could get into the format. Yeah, take over, 00:12:07.419 --> 00:12:10.980 mate. This is your safe zone. I mean, I've already 00:12:10.980 --> 00:12:13.940 had mild rants about this at times. I cannot 00:12:13.940 --> 00:12:16.279 stand any format which has third place teams 00:12:16.279 --> 00:12:18.629 getting through four teams. group stages because 00:12:18.629 --> 00:12:20.309 it basically means, as you've just correctly 00:12:20.309 --> 00:12:22.870 pointed out, if Scotland win, let's say they 00:12:22.870 --> 00:12:25.309 have a strong win against Haiti, let's say they 00:12:25.309 --> 00:12:27.169 play really well, they get three or four goals 00:12:27.169 --> 00:12:29.730 on Haiti, that's basically them qualified. One 00:12:29.730 --> 00:12:31.990 win is almost certainly going to be them qualified. 00:12:32.110 --> 00:12:33.690 If they then go out and get a draw in their other 00:12:33.690 --> 00:12:35.809 two games, they're definitely qualified. Someone 00:12:35.809 --> 00:12:38.690 ran this statistically, basically statistical 00:12:38.690 --> 00:12:41.870 analysis on this, and I think they said if you 00:12:41.870 --> 00:12:45.029 get four points, something like 99 .8 % of the 00:12:45.029 --> 00:12:48.389 time you qualify. Het kan zelfs 100 % zijn. En 00:12:48.389 --> 00:12:50.909 als je drie punten en een positieve goalverandering 00:12:50.909 --> 00:12:53.850 krijgt. Misschien was dat een 99 ,8%. Het is 00:12:53.850 --> 00:12:55.629 eigenlijk. Dat is hoe makkelijk het is om te 00:12:55.629 --> 00:12:58.870 kwalificeren. Het is te makkelijk. Er zijn 48 00:12:58.870 --> 00:13:02.690 teams. Hoeveel groepen zou dat zijn? 12 groepen. 00:13:02.750 --> 00:13:06.970 Dat is een passieve. Ja, want Engeland is de 00:13:06.970 --> 00:13:09.190 laatste van de 12 groepen. Groep L of wat dan 00:13:09.190 --> 00:13:12.409 ook. En ik begrijp dat dat de enige manier is 00:13:12.409 --> 00:13:14.509 om het in een simpele formaat. Zonder te worden 00:13:14.509 --> 00:13:17.029 veranderd. Maar er is een compliceerde formaat 00:13:17.029 --> 00:13:18.129 die ze kunnen hebben gebruikt. En ik denk echt 00:13:18.129 --> 00:13:20.929 dat het beter zou zijn. Als je even kijkt naar 00:13:20.929 --> 00:13:23.710 de wereldkup van 1982. En hoe ze het deden. Ze 00:13:23.710 --> 00:13:27.129 gingen naar een tweede groepstage. Waar ze half. 00:13:27.370 --> 00:13:30.049 Top 2 in de groepen gingen door. En dan was er 00:13:30.049 --> 00:13:33.490 8 groepen van 3. In de volgende ronde. Of ik 00:13:33.490 --> 00:13:35.110 denk dat het 4 groepen van 3 was. Omdat het half 00:13:35.110 --> 00:13:38.230 zo veel teams was in 1982. Maar laten we zeggen 00:13:38.230 --> 00:13:41.250 dat het 8 groepen van 3 was. En dan van die 8 00:13:41.250 --> 00:13:43.370 groepen van 3. Alleen de team die het top van 00:13:43.370 --> 00:13:45.389 de groep kwalificeert. En dan is er een bepaalde 00:13:45.389 --> 00:13:46.990 regeling van de spelers waarbij je de tweede 00:13:46.990 --> 00:13:49.250 speelt en wie de eerste speelt, de tweede speelt. 00:13:49.750 --> 00:13:51.450 Blijblijblij. Maar eigenlijk wat het betekent 00:13:51.450 --> 00:13:54.809 is dat je drie spelers in die tweede groep fase 00:13:54.809 --> 00:13:57.009 eindigt. Waarschijnlijk tussen hele goede teams. 00:13:57.389 --> 00:13:59.549 Die dan kwalificeerd zijn door de eerste groepstage. 00:13:59.769 --> 00:14:02.470 Dat zijn bijzonder quarterfinals. Dat je niet 00:14:02.470 --> 00:14:04.470 kan vergeten te verliezen. En dan aan het einde 00:14:04.470 --> 00:14:06.669 van dat krijg je de echte quarterfinals. En je 00:14:06.669 --> 00:14:09.149 eindigt niet met deze never -ending knock -out 00:14:09.149 --> 00:14:12.350 fase. Vijf rondes van knock -outs worden tedioos. 00:14:12.690 --> 00:14:17.480 Honest. Het wordt tedioos. 16 rond 2 wedstrijden. 00:14:17.480 --> 00:14:20.139 Er zijn sommige groepen. Er zijn sommige groepen. 00:14:20.779 --> 00:14:22.740 Deze groepen zouden niet geformateerd worden 00:14:22.740 --> 00:14:24.460 als dit. Zonder een

geëxtendeerd tournament. 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:27.440 Dus het is een beetje een catch 22. Er zijn sommige 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:29.799 groepen die eigenlijk wel goed zouden zijn. Als 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:31.600 dit een traditionele format was. Want je weet 00:14:31.600 --> 00:14:34.100 gewoon niet wie er door gaat. En het zou behoorlijk 00:14:34.100 --> 00:14:36.539 enthousiast zijn. Dus laten we gewoon Mexico's 00:14:36.539 --> 00:14:38.360 groep nemen. Bijvoorbeeld groep A, de honden. 00:14:38.500 --> 00:14:40.440 Ze zijn in een groep met Zuid -Afrika, Zuid -Korea 00:14:40.440 --> 00:14:42.879 en de Tjechische Republiek. Dat is een winnaar. 00:14:43.039 --> 00:14:45.919 Dat kan letterlijk tot het laatste spel gaan. 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:48.879 Ja. Iedereen kan uit dat groep komen. Maar het 00:14:48.879 --> 00:14:51.340 blijkt dat bijna iedereen uit dat groep komt. 00:14:51.460 --> 00:14:54.600 Groep B is ook een andere groep. Canada. Ze zijn 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:58.519 in Bosnië, Qatar en Zwitserland. Je zou Zwitserland 00:14:58.519 --> 00:15:01.899 willen. Maar de andere drie. Ja. Het wordt een 00:15:01.899 --> 00:15:03.919 geweldige wedstrijd. Maar nu gaan we niet alleen 00:15:03.919 --> 00:15:07.039 niet verliezen in dat geweldige wedstrijd. Omdat 00:15:07.039 --> 00:15:09.039 er de mogelijkheid is dat er een derde team gaat. 00:15:09.720 --> 00:15:11.480 Maar omdat ze groep A en B hebben, en ze zullen 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:14.059 eerst op spelen, zullen ze vier of vijf dagen 00:15:14.059 --> 00:15:15.639 moeten wachten voordat de team in de derde deel 00:15:15.639 --> 00:15:17.000 weet of ze erdoor zijn of niet. Dus je krijgt 00:15:17.000 --> 00:15:19.779 deze bizarre situatie waarbij er teams zijn die 00:15:19.779 --> 00:15:21.220 zeggen, oh, we zijn er waarschijnlijk door, maar 00:15:21.220 --> 00:15:23.000 we kunnen niet echt feesten. Maar ze zullen het 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:25.860 niet weten, ja. Ja, het is gewoon niet zo goed. 00:15:25.879 --> 00:15:28.419 Als je naar de laatste groepstage -games kijkt, 00:15:28.419 --> 00:15:31.399 zoals in Duitsland, Japan was het, of was het 00:15:31.399 --> 00:15:36.519 in Zuid -Korea? Ja. Spanje, Duitsland gingen 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:39.820 uit. Terwijl Costa Rica en Japan gingen door. 00:15:39.879 --> 00:15:42.399 Was dat het? Ja. En het was zoals. Tijdens de 00:15:42.399 --> 00:15:46.100 90 minuten. Elke een van hen was. Mathematisch 00:15:46.100 --> 00:15:47.899 op het top van de groep. Op een gegeven moment 00:15:47.899 --> 00:15:49.720 tijdens de proces. En dan flippte het allemaal 00:15:49.720 --> 00:15:52.120 op zijn hoofd. In de laatste 10 minuten. Ja. 00:15:52.500 --> 00:15:54.799 Dat is het. Dat is het. Dat is het. Dat is het. 00:15:54.799 --> 00:16:01.659 Dat is het. Dat is het. Dat is het. Ik weet het 00:16:01.659 --> 00:16:05.179 niet. Kurokawa speelt Ivory Coast voor de derde 00:16:05.179 --> 00:16:09.000 plaats. Of Iran, Nieuw -Zeeland plakken uit. 00:16:09.039 --> 00:16:12.159 Cape Verde, Saoedi -Arabië. Battelen om door 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:14.200 te komen. En misschien is er een romance bij 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:18.480 dat. Maar je krijgt hetzelfde door top 2 te kwalificeren. 00:16:18.600 --> 00:16:22.120 Ja. Ik bedoel, als er een groepstage -situatie 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:24.240 is waar... Laten we zeggen dat er één team is 00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:26.720 die de groep op negen punten gaat topen. Twee 00:16:26.720 --> 00:16:29.740 teams winnen hun eerste spel. Lose their second 00:16:29.740 --> 00:16:31.399 game. The other one loses their first game, wins 00:16:31.399 --> 00:16:32.720 their second game. Both of them lose against 00:16:32.720 --> 00:16:34.460 a team who end up winning the group. They play 00:16:34.460 --> 00:16:36.059 each other in the last game. Both of them run 00:16:36.059 --> 00:16:38.179 for three points. They just play out of a draw. 00:16:38.440 --> 00:16:41.220 They know they're both going through. I do think 00:16:41.220 --> 00:16:42.960 there's a chance of collusion in that situation 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:45.500 where you would never get that level of collusion 00:16:45.500 --> 00:16:50.080 if it wasn't for that sort of situation. The 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:52.019 thing that's really annoying about it is FIFA 00:16:52.019 --> 00:16:57.309 know what they've done. Omdat ze 4 teams deliberaat 00:16:57.309 --> 00:16:59.529 hebben gecederd. Omdat die gecederde teams niet 00:16:59.529 --> 00:17:01.370 elkaar kunnen ontmoeten tot de semifinals of 00:17:01.370 --> 00:17:04.670 zo. Als ze doorgaan. Als ze hun groepen winnen, 00:17:04.670 --> 00:17:08.029 denk ik. Maar sommige van de 1e plaatsen spelen 00:17:08.029 --> 00:17:10.809 3e plaats. En sommige van de 1e plaatsen spelen 00:17:10.809 --> 00:17:14.430 runners -up. In de 1e knock -out round. En daarom 00:17:14.430 --> 00:17:17.650 adden ze de ceding in. Het is gewoon een extra 00:17:17.650 --> 00:17:20.569 laagje. Om te zorgen dat de back -end van je 00:17:20.569 --> 00:17:23.700 tournament goed is. Yeah, and they don't need 00:17:23.700 --> 00:17:25.880 to. They don't need to. They had a way of making 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:28.200 it good, which is just leave it the way it was. 00:17:28.680 --> 00:17:31.500 Yeah, even if they'd gone. I mean, Gianni Infantino 00:17:31.500 --> 00:17:34.599 got re -elected. Oh, sorry, elected, I should 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:37.440 say. It was his original election in 2016 on 00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:40.940 the promise. As every single FIFA -elected president 00:17:40.940 --> 00:17:43.779 has done for years and years and years. Joe Havilland 00:17:43.779 --> 00:17:47.539 did it in 1974. Blatter did it in 1998. All of 00:17:47.539 --> 00:17:49.400 them promised to expand the size of the World 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:52.039 Cup. En meer teams in te laten. Dat deed Avalanche. 00:17:52.380 --> 00:17:55.220 Hij kreeg de wereldkup van 16 teams naar 24 teams. 00:17:55.359 --> 00:17:57.599 En dan didn't

Blatter het. Hij herhaalde het 00:17:57.599 --> 00:17:59.140 van 32 teams en heeft het nooit geëxpandeerd. 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:02.980 Dan heeft Infantino beloofd om het op 40 teams 00:18:02.980 --> 00:18:04.740 te krijgen. En ik denk dat 40 teams oké zouden 00:18:04.740 --> 00:18:07.259 zijn. Je hebt eigenlijk de wereldkup van de rugby. 00:18:07.460 --> 00:18:11.579 Vijf teams in een groep. En dan dubbel de groep 00:18:11.579 --> 00:18:14.740 van de wereldkup. Top 2 getting through. Ik denk 00:18:14.740 --> 00:18:16.579 dat dat een epic tournament zou zijn. Het zou 00:18:16.579 --> 00:18:18.700 een goede kans zijn. Ja. You'd have ended up 00:18:18.700 --> 00:18:21.079 with some teams who just end up as a bit fodder, 00:18:21.160 --> 00:18:23.200 essentially. But they've still got four games 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:25.819 out of it. They've still played four games. Even 00:18:25.819 --> 00:18:27.319 if they lost four games, what an opportunity. 00:18:27.740 --> 00:18:30.240 And if you wanted to add more games and make 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:32.859 it so you've got a chance of qualifying, then 00:18:32.859 --> 00:18:35.339 you say second and third teams go into a, like 00:18:35.339 --> 00:18:37.559 they have in the Champions League, an extra knockout 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:40.359 round. Like a round of 32 before the round of 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:42.619 16. I wouldn't have minded that. At least then 00:18:42.619 --> 00:18:44.259 it would be fair and you'd be second place teams 00:18:44.259 --> 00:18:46.619 playing third place teams. Teams who win the 00:18:46.619 --> 00:18:48.440 group getting a bye. That would have been fine. 00:18:48.579 --> 00:18:50.140 You'd have created loads and loads of games. 00:18:50.240 --> 00:18:52.359 I agree with you man. But it doesn't get you 00:18:52.359 --> 00:18:55.779 as many votes. Because teams want 48 in it. Because 00:18:55.779 --> 00:18:58.059 that's 8 more chances to qualify. And you make 00:18:58.059 --> 00:19:02.640 a lot of money for being at the World Cup. We'll 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:05.779 come on to the voting system in FIFA. We will. 00:19:05.960 --> 00:19:09.099 There's a massive incentive to widen the World 00:19:09.099 --> 00:19:11.240 Cup. Because everyone gets one vote. There's 00:19:11.240 --> 00:19:13.859 no waiting. We'll talk about that in the next 00:19:13.859 --> 00:19:17.440 episode. Are there any good groups? There are 00:19:17.440 --> 00:19:22.279 a couple, despite the format. Can I throw a couple 00:19:22.279 --> 00:19:24.259 your way, in addition to the ones I've already 00:19:24.259 --> 00:19:26.500 mentioned? I quite like the look of Group D, 00:19:26.740 --> 00:19:29.980 another host nation group. United States, Paraguay, 00:19:29.980 --> 00:19:32.980 Australia, Turkey. Yeah, because these groups 00:19:32.980 --> 00:19:35.299 are good because they don't have a super team 00:19:35.299 --> 00:19:37.319 in it. They don't have a Spain who are just going 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:40.700 to walk all over everyone in it. The USA, good 00:19:40.700 --> 00:19:43.000 team. I'd say the USA should win that group. 00:19:43.259 --> 00:19:46.859 Yeah, home nation. Ja, maar het is niet een garantie 00:19:46.859 --> 00:19:49.559 en je hebt vier goede matchen of zes goede matchen 00:19:49.559 --> 00:19:52.420 in dat groep. Dus ja, ik vind dat. Nog een ander 00:19:52.420 --> 00:19:54.960 dat echt de oog opvalt. Het heeft een grote team 00:19:54.960 --> 00:19:57.420 in het, maar ik denk nog steeds dat het competitief 00:19:57.420 --> 00:20:01.220 is. Groep F, Nederland, Japan, Zweden, Tunisie. 00:20:01.500 --> 00:20:04.160 Het is de meest natuurlijke groep van de dood 00:20:04.160 --> 00:20:07.019 vibe, dat een. Ja, want Tunisie is waarschijnlijk 00:20:07.019 --> 00:20:09.920 goed. Ja, precies. Tunisie is goed, zelfs al 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:12.079 zijn ze waarschijnlijk de vierde beste team in 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:14.509 dat. Japan is op dit moment echt goed. Japan 00:20:14.509 --> 00:20:17.009 is genuïnetelijk goed. Ze hebben een behoorlijk 00:20:17.009 --> 00:20:18.650 diepe squad. Een diepere squad dan ze hadden. 00:20:18.710 --> 00:20:21.109 Ze hebben altijd superstaren. Maar ze hebben 00:20:21.109 --> 00:20:24.569 een goede squad nu. Dus ja, ik hou ervan om te 00:20:24.569 --> 00:20:25.849 kijken naar dat groep. En natuurlijk is Zweden 00:20:25.849 --> 00:20:28.690 een maverick. Ze hebben Potter in zaak nu. Wie 00:20:28.690 --> 00:20:31.150 weet wat er gaat gebeuren. Maar ja, het zal interessant 00:20:31.150 --> 00:20:32.910 zijn om te zien. Het zal heel interessant zijn 00:20:32.910 --> 00:20:34.690 om te zien. Dat is het soort groep dat de cat 00:20:34.690 --> 00:20:36.329 amongst the pigeons in de knock -out round kan 00:20:36.329 --> 00:20:38.650 zetten. Zelfs als het een beetje gaat vormen. 00:20:39.269 --> 00:20:43.009 Ja. Ja. Dan heb je een paar duds. Er is er een 00:20:43.009 --> 00:20:45.680 die ik leuk vind. Beyond that. Hey? I like group 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:48.980 I. Group I? France, Senegal, Irak and Norway. 00:20:49.339 --> 00:20:52.180 Yeah, Norway. Norway dark horses, aren't they? 00:20:52.440 --> 00:20:53.940 France are going to qualify, but they might not 00:20:53.940 --> 00:20:55.640 win that group. And if they don't win that group, 00:20:55.819 --> 00:20:58.579 they are going to have a potential harder time 00:20:58.579 --> 00:21:00.960 in the knockouts. Because they are one of the 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:03.619 seeded teams, I believe, that we mentioned. Yes, 00:21:03.700 --> 00:21:07.119 they are. I think it's France, Spain, England. 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:11.589 Argentina? Maybe Argentina. I think you might 00:21:11.589 --> 00:21:13.230 be right there. They will want a Spanish top 00:21:13.230 --> 00:21:15.450 of that group. Senegal are obviously handy. Iraq 00:21:15.450 --> 00:21:18.109 are this unknown entity, but you know, could 00:21:18.109 --> 00:21:20.609 shock a team or two. And then Norway,

as you 00:21:20.609 --> 00:21:23.289 say, dark horses. Some genuinely good Norwegian 00:21:23.289 --> 00:21:25.990 footballers at the moment, as in some of the 00:21:25.990 --> 00:21:27.710 best players in the world are Norwegian right 00:21:27.710 --> 00:21:31.990 now. Yeah, they are flying under the radar a 00:21:31.990 --> 00:21:34.630 little bit. I'm not sure I'd want Norway as my 00:21:34.630 --> 00:21:37.430 like pot four team. Let's put it that way. Yeah, 00:21:37.529 --> 00:21:40.450 for sure. The one that's not doing anything for 00:21:40.450 --> 00:21:44.809 me is group K. Portugal, Congo, Uzbekistan, Colombia. 00:21:45.250 --> 00:21:48.730 Nothing. Nothing for me really. Colombia have 00:21:48.730 --> 00:21:50.829 their moments but yeah. It's probably just going 00:21:50.829 --> 00:21:52.710 to be Portugal, Colombia and then whoever wins 00:21:52.710 --> 00:21:55.289 out of Congo and Uzbekistan going through. And 00:21:55.289 --> 00:21:56.990 even then they might not go through depending 00:21:56.990 --> 00:22:01.029 on results in other groups. Our group is somewhere 00:22:01.029 --> 00:22:05.109 between hard and indescript. I think we got a 00:22:05.109 --> 00:22:07.900 tough draw. However... England should get through, 00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:09.980 but again, England want to get through top. Because 00:22:09.980 --> 00:22:12.019 if England don't get top, they lose that advantage. 00:22:12.579 --> 00:22:16.579 Slightly, yeah, a path where we will avoid, as 00:22:16.579 --> 00:22:18.779 long as those other teams win their groups, the 00:22:18.779 --> 00:22:21.119 top four teams in the world until the semifinals 00:22:21.119 --> 00:22:23.640 in theory. Ghana were good. We know Ghana were 00:22:23.640 --> 00:22:26.720 good. Ghana are good. Croatia are old, but they've 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:29.019 also got a lot of quality. Always been good, 00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:31.960 yeah. I mean, they've got players who were world 00:22:31.960 --> 00:22:34.680 class 15 years ago, still in their squad, which 00:22:34.680 --> 00:22:37.380 is kind of mad, but... En Luca Modric is 40 jaar 00:22:37.380 --> 00:22:40.640 oud. Maar, je weet, nog steeds kwaliteit. Nog 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:43.079 steeds in Syrië spelen. En als we geen resultaat 00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:44.880 tegen Panama krijgen, dan gaan de hoofden rollen. 00:22:45.019 --> 00:22:46.940 Maar dat is het punt. Ik bedoel, de laatste keer 00:22:46.940 --> 00:22:49.160 dat Engeland Panama speelde, hadden we 6 -1 gewonnen. 00:22:49.420 --> 00:22:52.480 Als we dat weer doen, zijn we erbij. En het moet 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:56.029 niet 6 -1 zijn. 3 -0. Is dat Russland? Where 00:22:56.029 --> 00:23:00.109 we had them last? Yes. We watched it at Old Trafford, 00:23:00.190 --> 00:23:01.509 if you remember, when we were sunburned. We did, 00:23:01.670 --> 00:23:05.769 at the cricket. When you foolishly didn't bring 00:23:05.769 --> 00:23:07.730 sun cream. Yeah, it was my fault, was it? Despite 00:23:07.730 --> 00:23:11.089 the advice of Sam and I. That's not exactly how 00:23:11.089 --> 00:23:13.490 the story really played out, was it? Retelling. 00:23:15.990 --> 00:23:19.349 Ah, what a day. Joss Butler. Yeah, beautiful 00:23:19.349 --> 00:23:20.910 stuff. Beating the Aussies and then watching 00:23:20.910 --> 00:23:23.789 England in the World Cup. Yeah, well, look, that's 00:23:23.789 --> 00:23:25.599 this year's World Cup, but... Waar kwam het allemaal 00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:27.640 vandaan, Jack? Waar kwam het allemaal vandaan? 00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:30.240 Laten we snel gaan over dit, want ik kon dit 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:32.980 genuïtelijk voor een uur vertellen. Laten we 00:23:32.980 --> 00:23:36.720 snel gaan. FIFA, de organisatie, begon in 1904. 00:23:37.180 --> 00:23:39.500 In het begin van het voetbal, of in het begin 00:23:39.500 --> 00:23:41.940 van het internationale voetbal ook, waren er 00:23:41.940 --> 00:23:44.400 alleen nationale FA's. We beginnen met de Engelse 00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:48.140 FA, 1863, de eerste FA, de creëren van het spel, 00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:50.299 zoals we willen uitleggen aan iedereen die het 00:23:50.299 --> 00:23:53.950 niet vraagt. De Schotse FA, 1873. Football Association 00:23:53.950 --> 00:23:55.750 of Wales in 1876, and then the Irish Football 00:23:55.750 --> 00:23:59.230 Association in 1880. Those four between them 00:23:59.230 --> 00:24:01.650 founded the IFAB, the International Football 00:24:01.650 --> 00:24:04.170 Association Board, which is still to this day 00:24:04.170 --> 00:24:06.450 the guardians of the laws of the game. So they 00:24:06.450 --> 00:24:09.670 are associated with FIFA now, and they are the 00:24:09.670 --> 00:24:12.769 ones that do the laws of the game. And every 00:24:12.769 --> 00:24:15.109 so often FIFA officials come over to nod their 00:24:15.109 --> 00:24:17.769 head politely while rule changes are agreed upon. 00:24:17.970 --> 00:24:21.630 Starting with the Danes and the Dutch in 1889. 00:24:22.299 --> 00:24:24.660 Andere landen in Europa begonnen met hun eigen 00:24:24.660 --> 00:24:27.140 voetbalassociaties. En uiteindelijk leidde dit 00:24:27.140 --> 00:24:29.019 tot een situatie waarin internationaal voetbal 00:24:29.019 --> 00:24:31.039 super populair was, maar het was niet heel goed 00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:33.440 georganiseerd. Dus natuurlijk, zoals we al veel, 00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:35.200 veel keer hebben gezien, wat doen we in dat scenario? 00:24:35.500 --> 00:24:39.220 We krijgen een beheerlijke body. Dus op 21 mei 00:24:39.220 --> 00:24:42.180 1904 in Parijs, de nationale associaties van 00:24:42.180 --> 00:24:44.779 zes Europese voetbalnations, die waren Frankrijk, 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:47.180 België, Denemarken, Nederland, Zweden en Zwitserland, 00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:50.339 samen met een representant van Spanje. Die nog 00:24:50.339 --> 00:24:52.299 niet hun eigen voetbalassociatie hadden gemaakt. 00:24:52.339 --> 00:24:55.220 Maar die

representanten waren Madrid Voetbalclub. 00:24:55.380 --> 00:24:58.039 Beter genoemd nu als Real Madrid Voetbalclub. 00:24:58.640 --> 00:25:00.839 Ze kwamen allemaal samen en ontdekten FIFA in 00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:03.319 1904. De Duitsers ook. Ze kregen een telegramma, 00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:06.339 maar ze konden niet omhoog komen. Notabele afstandsveranderingen 00:25:06.339 --> 00:25:08.839 waren natuurlijk de home nations. Die waarschijnlijk 00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:11.980 al dit ondersteunen op dat moment. Want voetbal 00:25:11.980 --> 00:25:14.420 was hun spel en iedereen anders deed het gewoon 00:25:14.420 --> 00:25:16.779 als een hobby. FIFA was in het begin behoorlijk 00:25:16.779 --> 00:25:18.769 weinig in de wereld van voetbal. British Home 00:25:18.769 --> 00:25:20.390 Nations were much more dominant. The Olympic 00:25:20.390 --> 00:25:23.809 Games as well were the highlight of the football 00:25:23.809 --> 00:25:27.289 calendar. But the Olympic Games were, and would 00:25:27.289 --> 00:25:31.289 remain until the 1980s, amateur. And football 00:25:31.289 --> 00:25:34.849 was increasingly, starting from 1885 in England, 00:25:35.009 --> 00:25:39.410 professional. And an opportunity arose for FIFA 00:25:39.410 --> 00:25:41.630 to sort of match what they were doing at the 00:25:41.630 --> 00:25:44.109 Olympics and have their own world football competition. 00:25:45.470 --> 00:25:48.769 They had in 1921 elected a very, very important 00:25:48.769 --> 00:25:51.990 man whose name will resonate with English football 00:25:51.990 --> 00:25:55.529 fans, particularly Mr. Jules Rimet. Jules Rimet, 00:25:55.789 --> 00:25:58.690 yeah. French dude. Yeah, they'd elected him as 00:25:58.690 --> 00:26:01.029 president in 1921. He'd stay president until 00:26:01.029 --> 00:26:05.150 1954. Still the longest serving FIFA president 00:26:05.150 --> 00:26:08.089 for three years there. But it was his idea, basically. 00:26:08.210 --> 00:26:10.069 The argument being, obviously, it was a professional 00:26:10.069 --> 00:26:11.930 competition. It would allow the best players 00:26:11.930 --> 00:26:13.589 in the world of football, whether they be professional 00:26:13.589 --> 00:26:15.569 or amateur. They could play at the World Cup. 00:26:15.990 --> 00:26:18.650 And he believed that that would be a higher quality 00:26:18.650 --> 00:26:21.430 competition in the Olympic Games. And would allow 00:26:21.430 --> 00:26:24.710 FIFA to make a lot of money. And boy was he correct 00:26:24.710 --> 00:26:28.150 on that last point. But not initially. Not initially, 00:26:28.250 --> 00:26:30.750 no to be fair. Not until the 70's really, but 00:26:30.750 --> 00:26:33.569 we'll come to that. No, it was always FIFA's 00:26:33.569 --> 00:26:35.849 biggest money maker. But FIFA was a completely 00:26:35.849 --> 00:26:38.769 different organisation in its early days. I mean 00:26:38.769 --> 00:26:41.950 up until the 1970's really. It was run out of 00:26:41.950 --> 00:26:45.640 a

couple of officers in. Zürich voor de meeste 00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:48.920 van zijn existentie. Heel, heel onspektakelijk. 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:49.960 Ik denk dat ze ze gewoon aan het renteren hadden, 00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:52.319 zoals boven een butcher of zoiets. Ik maak niet 00:26:52.319 --> 00:26:54.299 uit welke type winkel het was, maar dat zegt 00:26:54.299 --> 00:26:56.859 gewoon hoe onspektakelijk het was. Het was behoorlijk 00:26:56.859 --> 00:26:59.019 amateurisch, effectief. Er zijn verschillende 00:26:59.019 --> 00:27:00.900 schools of thought over wat je doet met sport. 00:27:01.099 --> 00:27:03.579 Er is de klassische Britse school of thought, 00:27:03.700 --> 00:27:06.000 de conservatieve school of thought, dat sport 00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:08.900 is voor het ontwikkelen van alles, dat amateurisme 00:27:08.900 --> 00:27:11.829 is om te worden genoemd, dat... Playing sport 00:27:11.829 --> 00:27:13.589 just for the love of the game is the way to go. 00:27:13.650 --> 00:27:15.329 And I've got a lot of respect for that. Other 00:27:15.329 --> 00:27:17.329 than the fact it's completely impractical in 00:27:17.329 --> 00:27:19.809 the modern world. As rugby union and other sports 00:27:19.809 --> 00:27:22.250 have shown. Eventually going professional. That's 00:27:22.250 --> 00:27:24.509 very noble. Then there's the side of sport which 00:27:24.509 --> 00:27:27.470 FIFA is now. People in charge of FIFA are. Which 00:27:27.470 --> 00:27:29.490 is basically, let's milk this for everything 00:27:29.490 --> 00:27:31.589 it's got. We've got this product which is so 00:27:31.589 --> 00:27:34.190 popular. How can we extract as much out of the 00:27:34.190 --> 00:27:36.269 fans as possible? I like to think this is all 00:27:36.269 --> 00:27:38.009 the middle ground to all this. But it doesn't 00:27:38.009 --> 00:27:40.940 ever seem to be. Relevant, zeker niet in veel 00:27:40.940 --> 00:27:43.859 sporten. Waar de fans misschien eerst zijn gepland. 00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:48.000 Maar ondertussen, daar ga je. En het is massievol 00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:50.160 veranderd in de 70's. En we komen daar een beetje 00:27:50.160 --> 00:27:53.440 bij. Maar de eerste wereldkamp, 1930. Het was 00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:56.019 gehost door Uruguay. En Uruguay lijkt een beetje 00:27:56.019 --> 00:28:01.259 vroeg. Aangezien de Europese natuur van de initiatief 00:28:01.259 --> 00:28:04.440 FIFA -members. En waar Europa was gecentreerd. 00:28:05.019 --> 00:28:06.880 Uruguay were the best team in the world at the 00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:09.259 time. They'd won the Olympic Games in 1924 and 00:28:09.259 --> 00:28:13.640 1928. So they clearly had the ability to do it. 00:28:14.019 --> 00:28:18.059 Another reason they put it on was in Uruguay 00:28:18.059 --> 00:28:20.680 was because 1930 was the centenary. So it was 00:28:20.680 --> 00:28:23.119 like a celebration. And the most important reason 00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:25.180 is the Uruguayan government basically offered

00:28:25.180 --> 00:28:28.200 to pay for it all. And I'm using these other 00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:30.460 reasons because they were sort of cited. The 00:28:30.460 --> 00:28:33.240 real reason was the Uruguayan government offered 00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:36.589 to pay for it all. Vooral om de teams in het 00:28:36.589 --> 00:28:38.069 eerste plaats naar Uruguay te brengen. Want dat 00:28:38.069 --> 00:28:40.410 was een uitdaging. Buiten Egypte. Egypte heeft 00:28:40.410 --> 00:28:42.349 het beste gedaan, geloof me. We hebben het over 00:28:42.349 --> 00:28:43.910 dit al gesproken. We hebben het over dit al gesproken, 00:28:43.910 --> 00:28:46.869 ja. Ze hebben de boot verkeerd, iedereen. Letterlijk. 00:28:47.269 --> 00:28:49.789 Nou, de stormen hebben hun reisarrangementen 00:28:49.789 --> 00:28:52.190 verkeerd, zullen we zeggen. Ze hebben hun verbindingboot 00:28:52.190 --> 00:28:53.869 verkeerd. Dus ik denk dat ze uit Afrika kwamen. 00:28:53.970 --> 00:28:56.089 Maar ze hebben de boot niet van Marseille of 00:28:56.089 --> 00:28:58.650 waar het was. Hun verbindingboot. Maar als we 00:28:58.650 --> 00:29:01.480 praten over booten. Dit sumt op hoe... Ik wil 00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:03.259 niet zeggen amateur, want het hele punt van dit 00:29:03.259 --> 00:29:05.559 is professioneel, maar hoe anders het was dan 00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:08.680 het moderne voetbal. Er was een boot, een oceaanlijner, 00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:12.519 genaamd de SS Conte Verde. En op dat, FIFA -officiënten, 00:29:12.519 --> 00:29:15.160 referees en spelers van verschillende teams reisden 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:17.960 erop. Jules Rimet bracht de Wereldkup persoonlijk 00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:21.160 in een brief met hem, zoals in de trofee, met 00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:25.339 hem all the way to Uruguay. Op dat, ze stonden 00:29:25.339 --> 00:29:27.559 van Frankrijk af. De Belgen zijn in Barcelona 00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:30.369 gejoind. Ze zijn door de Atlantica naar Rio de 00:29:30.369 --> 00:29:32.289 Janeiro gegaan, hebben de Braziliën er opgepakt 00:29:32.289 --> 00:29:35.329 en hebben dan naar Uruguay gegaan. Met elke andere 00:29:35.329 --> 00:29:38.589 landbouw waren er meer en meer spelers. Ze kregen 00:29:38.589 --> 00:29:40.750 hun zeeleggen en werden uiteindelijk bezig. Er 00:29:40.750 --> 00:29:44.309 was gewoon voetbalgames aan de dek. Dat is super 00:29:44.309 --> 00:29:47.950 cool. Dat is super cool. Dat is super cool. Dat 00:29:47.950 --> 00:29:49.130 is super cool. Dat is super cool. Dat is super 00:29:49.130 --> 00:29:57.529 cool. Be honest, get up close, wouldn't they? 00:29:57.809 --> 00:30:00.509 Wouldn't be the same. If you can monetize it, 00:30:00.569 --> 00:30:03.950 of course. Oh, well, absolutely. The competition 00:30:03.950 --> 00:30:07.009 was held entirely in Montevideo, the capital 00:30:07.009 --> 00:30:10.809 of Uruguay, in three stadiums. The Estadio Centenario... 00:30:10.809 --> 00:30:15.289 Spanish. The Estadio Centenario, the Estadio 00:30:15.289 --> 00:30:18.930 Positos, and the Parque Central. Apologies for 00:30:18.930 --> 00:30:22.109 my pronunciation. But the Estadio Centenario 00:30:22.109 --> 00:30:24.480 was the... Het centrum van de wedstrijden en 00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:27.000 dat is waar de finale werd gespeeld. Er waren 00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:31.140 slechts 13 teams. Ik kan ze listen, maar heb 00:30:31.140 --> 00:30:33.259 ik de ruimte opgelegd? Ik doe het. Uruguay, Argentinië, 00:30:33.339 --> 00:30:35.920 Brazilië, Chile, Paraguay, Bolivia, Peru, de 00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:38.279 Verenigde Staten, Mexico en dan de vier teams 00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:40.759 die overkwamen uit Europa. Frans, België, Roemenië 00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:43.740 en Yugoslavië. Er was geen kwalificatie op dit 00:30:43.740 --> 00:30:45.579 moment. FIFA heeft eigenlijk gewoon gezegd, alles 00:30:45.579 --> 00:30:49.319 komt als welkom en 13 teams konden op dit moment 00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:51.799 kunnen gaan. Zorg ervoor dat dit de Grote Depressie 00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:53.559 was. had happened the year before or started 00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:56.839 the year before so not the best time to be doing 00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:59.940 this the first World Cup matches 13th of July 00:30:59.940 --> 00:31:02.980 1930 two games kicked off simultaneously France 00:31:02.980 --> 00:31:05.819 beating Mexico 4 -1 and the USA beating Belgium 00:31:05.819 --> 00:31:08.339 3 -0 thanks for coming Belgium thanks for coming 00:31:08.339 --> 00:31:13.519 Mexico see you in four years time incredible 00:31:13.519 --> 00:31:19.519 like three weeks on a boat En Uruguay, Argentinië, 00:31:19.579 --> 00:31:22.099 USA en Yugoslavia deden het tot de semifinals. 00:31:22.099 --> 00:31:24.299 USA, erg indrukwekkend op de eerste keer dat 00:31:24.299 --> 00:31:26.900 ik ze vroeg. Toen werden ze in de semifinal van 00:31:26.900 --> 00:31:27.819 Argentinië gespankt. Maar dat is niet belangrijk, 00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:30.720 ze zijn er. 6 -1 in de semifinal. Uruguay beat 00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:32.940 Yugoslavia bij dezelfde scorelijn in de andere 00:31:32.940 --> 00:31:35.440 semifinal. En dus spelen die twee teams in de 00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:38.839 final. Waar er was een controversieel refereer. 00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:40.700 In feite, door het hele torrentje was er een 00:31:40.700 --> 00:31:43.160 effe refereer. Om eerlijk te zijn. Ik denk dat 00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:45.690 er eerder een match was waar... referee accidentally 00:31:45.690 --> 00:31:48.710 blew for full time six minutes early, right when 00:31:48.710 --> 00:31:51.410 France happened to be attacking. That still happens 00:31:51.410 --> 00:31:54.970 in AFCON. And had to be called back. Ben, how 00:31:54.970 --> 00:31:59.029 dare you accuse such things. Argentina got a 00:31:59.029 --> 00:32:01.470 couple of dodgy penalties against Mexico as well. 00:32:01.609 --> 00:32:04.170 And there was a mass fight between Argentina 00:32:04.170 --> 00:32:07.210 and Chile at one point. But

anyway, Uruguay played 00:32:07.210 --> 00:32:10.079 Argentina in the final. Obviously two close neighbours. 00:32:10.259 --> 00:32:12.380 They'd already played in the 1928 Olympic Finals. 00:32:12.380 --> 00:32:14.240 So they were arguably the best two teams in the 00:32:14.240 --> 00:32:16.660 world. Despite everything that happened. I say 00:32:16.660 --> 00:32:18.220 they were arguably the best two teams in the 00:32:18.220 --> 00:32:20.059 world. Do you know who might have had a chance 00:32:20.059 --> 00:32:22.079 of winning this tournament? Had they decided 00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:25.619 to go? Or had they decided to join FIFA? Or not 00:32:25.619 --> 00:32:28.880 leave FIFA? And then go? Not England. Scotland. 00:32:29.460 --> 00:32:32.700 Scotland. Scotland were extremely good at this 00:32:32.700 --> 00:32:35.559 point in time. And there is a lot of sort of... 00:32:35.980 --> 00:32:37.980 You know, it's easy to say in hindsight, but 00:32:37.980 --> 00:32:40.500 there's a lot of people who say, had Scotland 00:32:40.500 --> 00:32:42.759 gone to this tournament, had they not allowed 00:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.220 themselves to be dictated by the English FA, 00:32:45.440 --> 00:32:48.039 because the home nations basically acted as one 00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:50.500 block at this point, maybe, maybe it would have 00:32:50.500 --> 00:32:52.140 been Scotland who lifted that first World Cup. 00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:54.960 We'll never know. No, we won't. And they didn't. 00:32:55.019 --> 00:32:57.339 They certainly played a knockout game, which 00:32:57.339 --> 00:33:00.039 would have been a first. Took the opportunity. 00:33:01.500 --> 00:33:03.180 They'll probably get one this year, to be fair, 00:33:03.180 --> 00:33:05.730 if they beat Haiti. I hope they do. I like Scotland. 00:33:05.890 --> 00:33:08.930 I like Andy Robertson. Anyway, the final was... 00:33:08.930 --> 00:33:10.849 There's a lot of security fears around it, to 00:33:10.849 --> 00:33:12.390 say the least. There were two teams that maybe 00:33:12.390 --> 00:33:15.109 didn't like each other too much. Spectators were 00:33:15.109 --> 00:33:17.349 specifically searched for weapons before they 00:33:17.349 --> 00:33:19.410 entered the ground, which is, you know, not bad 00:33:19.410 --> 00:33:21.450 practice, actually, in general. Probably still 00:33:21.450 --> 00:33:23.609 happens technically at this World Cup, but for 00:33:23.609 --> 00:33:26.029 very different reasons. Belgian referee Jean 00:33:26.029 --> 00:33:28.930 Longenoux, I hope I pronounced that right, reportedly 00:33:28.930 --> 00:33:31.049 accepted the appointment only after receiving 00:33:31.049 --> 00:33:33.809 guarantees for safety and after planning an escape 00:33:33.809 --> 00:33:38.130 route. It was a really weird dispute between 00:33:38.130 --> 00:33:39.950 the two teams before kick -off had even happened. 00:33:40.369 --> 00:33:42.569 Argentina wanted to use an Argentine made ball. 00:33:43.089 --> 00:33:44.970 Uruguay wanted to use a Uruguayan made ball. 00:33:45.089 --> 00:33:47.430 So guess what they did as a compromise? Use a 00:33:47.430 --> 00:33:49.349 Brazilian made ball. That would have been a great 00:33:49.349 --> 00:33:51.490 compromise, wouldn't it? No, they used the Argentine 00:33:51.490 --> 00:33:54.710 ball in the first half and the Uruguayan ball 00:33:54.710 --> 00:34:00.210 in the second half. Obviously. God. Uruguay opened 00:34:00.210 --> 00:34:03.240 the scoring. Argentina equalized. Guillermo Stabile 00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:05.920 gaf Argentinië een 2 -1 lead. Dat was halftijd. 00:34:06.140 --> 00:34:08.519 Maar Uruguay domineerde de tweede helft. Scoorde 00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:11.460 drie meer goals. Eindigde op winnaar 4 -2. Jules 00:34:11.460 --> 00:34:13.320 Rimet hemzelf presenteerde de trofee, genaamd 00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:16.360 na hemzelf, naar de victorieus hosts. En Uruguay 00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:19.519 waren de eerste wereldkampioens. De crowd vloog 00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:22.400 de straat in celebratie. Argentiniërs liepen 00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:26.900 zonder te veel fus. Zonder een huis waar ze riots 00:34:26.900 --> 00:34:29.880 hadden. Maar, je weet, voetbal. Voetbal. Ze gingen 00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:31.750 terug naar terug, gingen ze niet, Uruguay? Nee, 00:34:31.929 --> 00:34:35.409 Italië ging dan terug naar 1934 en 1938. Maar 00:34:35.409 --> 00:34:38.070 toen won Uruguay het vierde tournament. Dus na 00:34:38.070 --> 00:34:40.650 vier tournamenten was het twee voor Uruguay en 00:34:40.650 --> 00:34:42.710 Italië. En dat vierde tournament, ik denk dat 00:34:42.710 --> 00:34:45.170 we een episode doen op dat 1950 World Cup. Of 00:34:45.170 --> 00:34:47.050 althans in een beetje meer detail. Want dat is 00:34:47.050 --> 00:34:51.570 een heel belangrijke World Cup in de voetbalhistorie. 00:34:51.650 --> 00:34:55.389 Want de World Cup was populair in 1938. In 1934 00:34:55.389 --> 00:34:57.909 ging het naar fascistische Italië. FIFA was FIFA, 00:34:58.150 --> 00:35:02.110 zelfs in de eerste dagen. Well, the South American 00:35:02.110 --> 00:35:03.769 countries assumed it was going to be going back 00:35:03.769 --> 00:35:05.829 to South America. It didn't. It went to France. 00:35:05.989 --> 00:35:07.829 Jules Rimet chose France for some reason. Can't 00:35:07.829 --> 00:35:10.170 possibly speculate as to why. South American 00:35:10.170 --> 00:35:12.349 countries threatened to kick off and threatened 00:35:12.349 --> 00:35:15.130 to drop out of FIFA. Fortunately for France, 00:35:15.230 --> 00:35:17.449 and this is not fortunate for France at all because 00:35:17.449 --> 00:35:18.570 I'm sure you can guess what I'm going to say, 00:35:18.710 --> 00:35:20.789 something came along to distract everyone the 00:35:20.789 --> 00:35:23.730 following year in 1939 and football was delayed 00:35:23.730 --> 00:35:25.929 for a few years. Because of the Second World 00:35:25.929 --> 00:35:29.849 War, obviously. Not

fortunately for France. They 00:35:29.849 --> 00:35:33.309 got invaded and then occupied. Yeah, well, you 00:35:33.309 --> 00:35:35.570 know. Silver linings. We've talked about it before. 00:35:36.769 --> 00:35:40.570 Yeah. Anyway. So, yeah. After the Second World 00:35:40.570 --> 00:35:42.150 War, there was a lot of countries that were obviously 00:35:42.150 --> 00:35:45.530 financially really struggling. Really not very 00:35:45.530 --> 00:35:49.030 wealthy. Really considering, you know, just ditching 00:35:49.030 --> 00:35:51.590 the World Cup entirely. The 1950 World Cup. We'll 00:35:51.590 --> 00:35:53.070 talk about it in a bit more detail in the future. 00:35:53.670 --> 00:35:57.789 De succes van dat tournament en hoe geweldig 00:35:57.789 --> 00:35:59.789 het was. En hoe er een beetje een verbaasde resultaat 00:35:59.789 --> 00:36:01.710 was in Uruguay om het te winnen. En het werd 00:36:01.710 --> 00:36:03.510 aangevraagd door zoveel mensen. Ik denk dat het 00:36:03.510 --> 00:36:06.150 een record was. Ik denk dat er in 1950 meer dan 00:36:06.150 --> 00:36:08.030 een miljoen mensen aangevraagd werden toen. En 00:36:08.030 --> 00:36:10.710 dat werd niet gebeat tot 1966. Natuurlijk was 00:36:10.710 --> 00:36:12.789 dat in Engeland gehouden. Grote stadion, 1 ,5 00:36:12.789 --> 00:36:14.510 miljoen mensen gingen naar dat. En dat werd niet 00:36:14.510 --> 00:36:17.610 gebeat tot 1982. En dat werd niet gebeat tot 00:36:17.610 --> 00:36:21.570 1994. En 1994 is nooit gebeat. 3 ,5 miljoen mensen. 00:36:22.030 --> 00:36:24.710 saw the 1994 World Cup in the United States. 00:36:24.869 --> 00:36:27.110 I presume it will be beaten this year because 00:36:27.110 --> 00:36:30.309 of the amount of games there are. However, whether 00:36:30.309 --> 00:36:32.449 all the stadiums will be full remains to be seen. 00:36:32.869 --> 00:36:37.349 The World Cup exploded in popularity and in those 00:36:37.349 --> 00:36:38.889 early days that was how they were making their 00:36:38.889 --> 00:36:40.809 money. It was just bums on seats. It was people 00:36:40.809 --> 00:36:43.389 paying fees to enter the stadium. Maybe a few 00:36:43.389 --> 00:36:45.550 merchandising things, but nothing particularly 00:36:45.550 --> 00:36:47.309 significant. Post -war football really took off 00:36:47.309 --> 00:36:50.429 though, didn't it? Yeah. Populariteit -waarschijnlijk, 00:36:50.429 --> 00:36:53.610 ja. Het zei dat het werd verkocht. Ja, de 60's 00:36:53.610 --> 00:36:56.050 waren behoorlijk groot, maar de 70's omhoog, 00:36:56.210 --> 00:37:00.070 voetbal was de showpiece -event in de stad na 00:37:00.070 --> 00:37:03.429 de Olympische, toch? Ja, ik bedoel, de commerciële 00:37:03.429 --> 00:37:07.489 kant van sport kwam uit Amerika, of zeker heerlijk 00:37:07.489 --> 00:37:11.449 uit Amerika, in de 60's. De NFL, de AFL, baseball, 00:37:11.730 --> 00:37:14.250 dingen zoals Le Mans ook. Je begint eigenlijk 00:37:14.250 --> 00:37:16.409 te zien de sponsorship -logo's op de

auto's van 00:37:16.409 --> 00:37:19.530 Le Mans, in plaats van alleen kleuren. Dus dat 00:37:19.530 --> 00:37:23.010 begon in de jaren 60 te worden behoorlijk. En 00:37:23.010 --> 00:37:25.869 in de jaren 70 werd het opgevormd tot 11. Ik 00:37:25.869 --> 00:37:28.449 heb al zijn naam al genoemd, maar in 1974... 00:37:28.449 --> 00:37:31.570 Stanley Roo was de FIFA -president van 61 tot 00:37:31.570 --> 00:37:34.230 74. Hij was een klassieke, conservatieve, oude 00:37:34.230 --> 00:37:36.710 -fashioned Engelsman. Hij was niet de man om 00:37:36.710 --> 00:37:38.929 de sport voor te nemen. Nee, hij was niet. En 00:37:38.929 --> 00:37:41.489 het moest worden moderniseerd. En ja, ik denk 00:37:41.489 --> 00:37:44.150 dat João Havelange, die hem in 1974 overstond... 00:37:44.150 --> 00:38:11.079 Hij is Braziliër. Hij... En Adidas. We'll get 00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:14.519 into that. Yeah, so Adidas will go into in a 00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:17.420 bit more detail. Certainly a company linked to 00:38:17.420 --> 00:38:19.900 Adidas in a bit more detail in the next episode. 00:38:20.179 --> 00:38:23.380 Yeah, we will. Yeah, Havilland basically brought 00:38:23.380 --> 00:38:25.760 all this money into it. Initially it was sponsorship, 00:38:25.980 --> 00:38:28.039 later on it was TV rights were the big thing. 00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:31.019 And obviously TV rights, the amount of money 00:38:31.019 --> 00:38:35.739 it goes for nowadays is crazy. And we will very 00:38:35.739 --> 00:38:37.460 much be talking about that in the next episode. 00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:40.480 In 1998 werkte hij voor Jou Havilland, dus dat 00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:43.320 is nog een lange stint, 24 jaar. En toen hij 00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:45.679 in 1998 ging, werd hij vervangen door zijn general 00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:47.800 secretary van FIFA, die een man was die heel 00:38:47.800 --> 00:38:51.039 erg in zijn beeld was, heel erg met de kapitalistische 00:38:51.039 --> 00:38:53.800 mentaliteit. Zijn naam was Sepp Blatter. En dat 00:38:53.800 --> 00:38:55.980 zet ons op voor de volgende episode. Ja, dat 00:38:55.980 --> 00:38:58.679 doet het. Nou, laten we het dan daar laten. Ja. 00:38:58.820 --> 00:39:00.659 De Wereldkup is begonnen, of het is beginnen. 00:39:01.019 --> 00:39:04.320 En onze volgende is een beetje minder opvallend. 00:39:04.340 --> 00:39:09.130 We gaan twee voeten, FIFA. I think justifiably 00:39:09.130 --> 00:39:12.409 so. I can't wait. We'll let those listening make 00:39:12.409 --> 00:39:15.570 up their own minds, but the evidence is in our 00:39:15.570 --> 00:39:19.369 view overwhelming. And not just in our view too, 00:39:19.469 --> 00:39:22.489 in the view of certain courts. Yes, cool. Alright 00:39:22.489 --> 00:39:25.170 then, looking forward to having a pop at FIFA 00:39:25.170 --> 00:39:29.309 with you. Me too. We'll see you soon guys. See 00:39:29.309 --> 00:39:35.190 you in a bit. Thank you for joining us for our 00:39:35.190 --> 00:39:37.349 World Cup series. Through the next five weeks 00:39:37.349 --> 00:39:39.650 or so we'll be covering scandal, greed, brilliance, 00:39:39.750 --> 00:39:42.590 controversy, death and genius. Please spread 00:39:42.590 --> 00:39:44.670 the word and tell a friend about us. There will 00:39:44.670 --> 00:39:47.210 be something for everyone. Today's intro included 00:39:47.210 --> 00:39:49.929 music from Fezlian Studios. Our theme tune is 00:39:49.929 --> 00:39:51.929 Oh Yeah by Hermione Productions. You can find 00:39:51.929 --> 00:39:54.210 us on Instagram and Blue Sky and Facebook at 00:39:54.210 --> 00:39:56.570 some point once we get round to it. Next up, 00:39:56.670 --> 00:39:59.389 it's scandal as we talk FIFA, CONCACAF, Chuck 00:39:59.389 --> 00:40:02.929 Blazer, Qatar, Russia and the FBI. Until then, 00:40:03.030 --> 00:40:06.780 don't ever forget, it's coming home. See you 00:40:06.780 --> 00:40:06.960 soon!